A (presumably) female author going by the nom de plume ‘XX’ has written an article for AskMen (hereby renamed to AskNancyboys) called “Top 10 Signs You’re Not An Alpha Male.” (Aren’t you glad to see Chateau concepts popularized throughout the legacy media? Next up: The New York Times renames itself to the more appropriate New York Beta Times.) After reading through, it became apparent the authoress should have titled her article “Top 10 Signs You’re Not A Beta Male”, because her complaints more accurately reflect the behaviors of higher value men.
Let’s go through her list.
No.10 You Let Her Pay For Dinner
An Alpha Male provides for his pack. If she tries to contribute to this, he calmly takes the check and says, “I’ll handle this.” End of discussion.
First, an alpha male does not take women he hasn’t sexed yet on dinner dates. He takes them to bars and keeps his cost-per-lay low by limiting expenditures to a couple of vodka tonics, and does not entertain the idea of spending a lot of money on women until they have proven themselves worthy of his resources. The judgement of her worthiness necessarily follows her sexual surrender.
Second, a pretty woman is not a “pack” that must be impressed. She is a self-absorbed princess wannabe who must be seduced. Any successful seduction begins with bringing her down to earth where her unnaturally inflated value won’t intrude upon her desire to sleep with you. Groveling for her approval by throwing money and meals at her is the wrong way to cut the legs out from under her symbiotically fused princess pedestal.
No.9 You Never Apologize, Even When You’re Wrong
An Alpha Male has no hang-ups. He simply says, “I was wrong. I apologize.” And he rectifies the problem if possible.
Is ‘XX’ a regular reader of this beautiful blog? It sounds like she is directly responding to concepts explored here. Anyhow, she is trying to pound alpha males (heh) into a self-serving definition that is 180 degrees at odds with reality. And what is that reality? Betas do the apologizing. Alphas reframe, evade or accuse nebulous third parties. “Mistakes were made”. See: Bill Clinton. Or any high-powered politico for that matter. Now women may love the *idea* of a man who never balks to apologize for a misdeed, but like with so many pleasantly comforting notions that get derailed somewhere between the female brain and her pulsing vagina, the truth is that what she claims she wants in men and what she actually falls for are rarely the same.
No.8 You Suck Up To Leaders And Seek Their Approval
An Alpha Male doesn’t suck up to anyone. He is the leader.
True, but banal. And in fact, there are times when the alpha male may decide it is personally advantageous to suck up to a person in a position to advance his interests. The alpha male is, above all else, out for himself.
No.7 You Gossip
About your boss. About your buddies. About your girlfriend. You don’t mind pointing out other people’s failings and weaknesses and having a good laugh. An Alpha Male never betrays his pack. He doesn’t need to build himself up by tearing others down.
Wishful thinking. Alphas often enjoy a laugh at others’ expense, and betrayal, normally an invidious vice, is just another tool in the alpha’s box of Machiavellian self-advancement. Alphas will sometimes tear others down just for the cruel thrill of it, even when it serves no useful purpose. It seems what we have here in ‘XX’ is a woman who is describing what she wishes alpha males were actually like instead of what they really are like. Of course, if she got her wish, there wouldn’t be any men left that would make her horny.
No.6 You Panic In A Crisis
An Alpha Male’s natural element is change. Rapid change is simply an interesting challenge to him. He goes into a special kind of ice-cold, almost detached state, quickly sums up the situation, does due diligence if time allows for it, and acts immediately and decisively based on prior experience if there is no time to spare.
“Ice-cold”? “Detached”? ‘XX’ loves that stone cold killer instinct in alpha males. It doesn’t take much for the veil of pretty lies to slip, eh XX?
No. 6 is true, if again banal. Of course, grace under pressure sometimes entails lying and manipulating to neutralize the crisis.
No.5 You Act Before You Think
An Alpha Male may act with lightning speed, but he always thinks before he acts. He never runs to the corner and goes off in all directions like a type-A guy does.
This is too vague to accurately define an alpha male in all circumstances. There are times when the alpha male is impulsive, and reckless, and women, bless their hamster-y hearts, flock to these types of ‘shoot first, ask questions later’ guys. Male risk-taking is, in fact, very attractive to women. The kid who just did a triple flip on his skateboard is going to get a lot more attention from girls than the studious bookworm.
What ‘XX’ is circuitously describing is alpha male intelligence. The most desirable alpha males couple their risk-taking with intelligent aforethought, maximizing their chances of success. But women aren’t interested in the prudent thinking process leading up to a risky decision. It’s the fireworks at the end of a spectacularly successful gamble that turns them on.
No.4 You Blame Others
An Alpha Male takes responsibility for his own actions.
Not if he can get away with blaming failures on others. If successful, naturally he will seek to take as much credit as possible.
No.3 You Lie
To your boss. To your buddies. To your girlfriend. An Alpha Male isn’t a liar. He’s a stand-up guy; he shoots straight. He doesn’t have to slither out of a mess he got himself into. He does what’s right, and lets the chips fall where they may.
Fat girlfriend: Do you think my ass looks big in this dress?
Alpha male straight shooter: Yes, because your ass is too fat. And, by the way, I’m cheating on you with a thinner girl because I can’t get it up for you anymore.
No. 3 FAIL.
No.2 You Betray Others To Get Ahead
An Alpha Male never betrays a member of his pack.
What’s with this pack shit? ‘XX’ has some serious issues about betrayal. Was she betrayed by a man she loved? An alpha male vows fealty to one pack: the package in his pants.
Beta males are the ones less likely to betray a “member of the pack”, because they don’t have the stones to do it.
No.1 You Bully People
An Alpha Male takes on a real fight when it is necessary, and only if it is necessary (Alphas are not “scrappers”), but he won’t think twice taking on someone far bigger/stronger/better-situated than he is if the matter being decided is serious. And due to his fierce drive, chances are good he will win.
Wrong. An alpha male will act to hide his views or avoid a lopsided fight if it is personally advantageous to do so. It’s not cowardice to sidestep a fight with a man much bigger than yourself; it’s smarts. Just like it’s not bravery to stand in the path of a speeding train. As for bullying people, yes, alpha males don’t usually engage in that because their value is high enough that they can afford to be magnanimous to lessers. But it’s not betas who bully either. Betas, true to their natures, don’t really have the balls or assertive spirit to bully. Instead, it’s usually those men just below alpha status — the lesser alphas — who love to bully, because they see it as an opportunity to raise or maintain their “pack” status.
Every time I hear these steaming turd piles of pretty lies from women, I’m always impressed by how utterly oblivious they are to their own histories with men. When you hear a woman prattle on in vapid platitudes about her ideal virtuous alpha male, you can be certain she has banged a parade of the biggest assholes in her own life. It makes sense when you consider that so much of female thinking is rationalizing away the unsettling truth of their sexual natures.
If you’re looking for a girlfriend, this is how you know when it’s time to file your date under the pump and dump category: if she waxes eloquent about how important it is to her that a man doesn’t lie, cheat, steal, betray, or neglect to hold doors open for her, you know she has dated plenty of exactly those types of men. Do the opposite of what she says she likes in men.
Conversely, if she divulges that she likes men who sometimes, heaven forfend!, say impolite things or let her pick up the bar tab, you are dealing with a girl who has dated decent fellows. It’s often the genuine nicegirls, with their histories of dating non-assholes, who feel comfortable opening up about their craving for a just a tiny bit of assholery in their lives.
first!?!
Obviously this chick was fucked over by an alpha she loved fucking.
Her list isn’t a list of alpha traits. It’s a list of things she wants to change about an alpha guy to make it possible to reconcile her brain and her pussy.
It’s not about men.
The hamster spins a mighty whirr
For the lying thieving stealing cur.
No rearview mirror to see whence
Blindness be sought to ease conscience.
Alphas are indeed, found in packs. But only if they run them, maybe with another allied alpha or two.
It’s the sniveling betas who form packs out of necessity – in fear of the lone wolf type of alpha who make them feel inferior or decides to maybe pick them off one by one.
Alphas don’t really care if they are in a pack or not.
ONLY if they run it.
It is the betas who have the need of gang mentality.
Alphas, just capitalize on it.
I saw that at askmen a few days ago and thought yeah, we’ll see this eviscerated at The Chateau in no time.
I saw this article a few days ago and half-thought “yeah this isn’t too bad” yet had a feeling that quite a few things were off. Apparently I missed who the author was, and through the enlightenment of our curator, realized that it was poppycock.
Spin hamster, spin. You aren’t going anywhere.
“It’s often the genuine nicegirls, with their histories of dating non-assholes, who feel comfortable opening up about their craving for a just a tiny bit of assholery in their lives.”
Most of my female friends are genuine “nice” girls and, indeed, several have admitted this to me. My own woman says she likes men to have an “edge” to them. We always give each other a knowing look when we see or overhear some whining, high-pitched hipster talking about stupid shit like a girl.
I really would love to see a balanced female response to this, and some sort of reconciliation that doesn’t end in name-calling.
Chateau, thanks again for driving home the point:
“Every time I hear these steaming turd piles of pretty lies from women, I’m always impressed by how utterly oblivious they are to their own histories with men. When you hear a woman prattle on in vapid platitudes about her ideal virtuous alpha male, you can be certain she has banged a parade of the biggest assholes in her own life. It makes sense when you consider that so much of female thinking is rationalizing away the unsettling truth of their sexual natures.”
There’s a few girls I’ve teased at work. The same shit comes back to me — “Be nice”.
I guess my negs are too harsh, like they’re insults. I even got into a fight once because I teased a girl too hard.
Her bio blurb explains the conundrum.
She didn’t come up with this list. Her leader-of-men style Alpha husband (a Lt Colonel) came up with it in discussion with her.
From her bio:
“XX was married to XY, the quintessential Alpha Male, a career U.S. Army officer who attained the rank of Lt. Colonel through battlefield merit, and was awarded the Silver Star for combat heroism. He told XX about the young men he had commanded in two wars, and they debated the finer points about men, leadership and courage. XX wrote down all the points XY made. She added ideas for women who want to meet and attract Alpha Males and the result is the book titled ALPHA MALE: Who They Are, How They Think, What They Want/How To Attract, Meet, Marry & Train One.”
That she got this advice from her Army husband explains much of what she (and he) gets wrong. These are “alpha” traits that men expect from one another when working in groups under dire situations (such as combat). I.e., loyalty, honesty, full taking of responsibility.
The point they both miss is that there’s some overlap, but a wide gap between the “alpha leader of men” and the “alpha desired by women.”
Sounds like Philly Beer Guy has a hampster, too.
Askmen isn’t a very good site. They once claimed the US had the most beautiful women.
Yeah right……
Just pointing out this author xx is promoting her book
http://www.youralphamale.com/
and that I just vomited into my mouth.
Philly bear guy: you are dead on. Great post by the host too.
I served in the army where most are alpha males.
I can tell you the bullies were always stamped on and out pretty hard (although I admit betas tend to get bullied)- and one of the other things is we are always big enough to hold our hands up and say “yeah, I fucked up” And one of the things I absolutely hate about civilians (who are mainly beta) is that they talk about people behind there backs, rather than tell them to their face.
I’ve meet people who are an image of your version of an alpha male and normally after about two minutes of speaking two them they go all sloppy shouldered and stop making eye contact when they speak.
Also, tell me this – how alpha is it to write self-indulgent/ blogs on the internet telling nerds and misfits how to hit with women? I’d say not very. The time and energy would be better spent drowning yourself in a vat of burning oil.
Sounds like you (the author of this) are an omega male, who writes posts to elate in his own eyes his pathetic sense of self. I sense somebody who was bullied as a child.
Why the fuck is it called AskMen if it has female writers?
Possibly one of the most dark, cynical pieces I’ve read on here. Considerable promotion of lies, manipulation and self-serving assholery.
I wholeheartedly approve of this thinking.
It seems “xx” is such an authority on alpha males that she has written a book on the subject of how to “attract, meet, marry, and TRAIN one.”
http://www.youralphamale.com/index.html
Priceless.
A Roissy defined alpha is simply someone who has sex with a large number of women. The writer of the original story is defining alpha within that nebulous, vague – and much more common from personal experience – framework that most people think of when they hear terms like alpha and beta. This is why she returns to the idea of the pack, it’s the idea of alpha as the leader.
If you ever find yourself in an even fight, your strategy and tactics suck.
I’ve stopped apologizing to SO. It’s amazing, life is better. “oh, you hurt my feelings,” Me: “…” Her:, “anyway, let’s get dinner.”
Of all the concepts, this is the easiest to pickup (shit, every now and then, I accidentally smile too much or self-depreciate). I think femmels smell weakness when a guy apologize.
Ok, never is too strong, rather: I am very judicious with doling out mea culpas.
Here’s another self-styled “feminist” with a dislike of Roissy. Interesting this blog is worming it’s way into both the underground and the mainstream:
http://jabootu.net/?p=4716
The relavent passage:
“As the recipient of a couple similar proclamations from thin-skinned losers back in my high school and college days, this is actually a fairly realistic portrayal what guys like Gigli try to pull when they get turned down. Maybe they are all reading the same be-an-Alpha-male websites and articles. [link to Roissy here]
Personally, I think it’s also an ego salve. Something to convince themselves and their posse that it wasn’t they who were rejected, but rather that they were doing the girl a favor by offering up the chance for sex. Whatever. Note to dudes: only idiots fall for this. Being (nicely) rejected is normal. Trying too hard to protect your precious ego in such a juvenile way is transparent and pathetic.”
Eva Vandergeld is apparently quite a handful.
Pray for this idiot couple’s sons (after you vomit):
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110524/ts_yblog_thelookout/parents-keep-childs-gender-under-wraps
“Askmen isn’t a very good site. They once claimed the US had the most beautiful women.
Yeah right……” – Bigfoot
The porn business is global and highly competitive and yet the USA dominates the market. What explains that? Even Osama bin Laden was rubbing it out to our beauties.
Alpha blame others for their failures? Or tear down others just for pleasure?
Do you think it takes an alpha to lie and backstab?
Or it was just you needed something to write just to be contrarian?
new study showing men who smile are less attractive:
http://ubc-emotionlab.ca/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/Happy-Guys…in-pres-Emotion.pdf
With the exception of #5, I think the list is more or less accurate. That IS how a genuine alpha male behaves.
Practitioners of Game are simulating certain behaviors which necessarily involves deception. Consider, “Blaming Others” to choose an example almost at random:
Well, duh. If you can successfully blame your failures on others, then no one perceives it as your fault. All people are capable of self-deception, and a man may genuinely believe he is not to blame. Sincerity plus high-status conspire to convince women of the same.
The acid test is an apparent willingness to take responsibility. See for instance David Letterman, who only admitted an affair after being blackmailed for two million dollars, couched it in self-deprecation, was completely let off the hook by the public.
Clinton’s instinct was to never say “sorry,” he got hammered for it, and then went on a sorry tour, expressing the “contrition” Republicans and non-Republicans demanded.
@Jon Bromfield
This is what first came to mind reading that article.
Reads like the blogs author has a hamster, too.
Damn, was going to fisk this one at the Hut but there’s no point once roissy gets done with it. I can’t believe supposed male advice sources print this stuff. To say nothing of why they recruit women to lecture men on how to act.
And that’s why I’ve completely stopped reading askmen. Several years now. You can’t take advice from women they’re the enemy. It feels like an inside scoop and instead it’s a boobies trap. Askmen editorial need to grow a pair. Or not, keep misinforming the floating majority so we can do what we do.
I think people often confuse “alpha male” with “strong man with strong moral principles”. Not all the things listed here are signs of good moral character, but the list seems to lean in that direction.
I for one always hold the door for the ladies, and refuse to let them pay for their own meals on our outings. Rest assured, gentlemen, that all the girlies have told me that I would “make a great boyfriend.”
Alas, these sentiments never turn out to much of anything, but I ultimately respect their decisions. I just have to keep on holding out for the right one. Until then I’m going to focus on advancing my career.
Women will never understand what makes a man a man. They just can’t. I’ve tried explaining (for years) to some, but their brains fight them. It’s like explaining a blue sky to Stevie Wonder… no possible brain cell of theirs can fully comprehend the simplicity of manhood.
No. 1 sign you’re a beta: you allow yourself to be shamed by appeals to “honour” and “dignity” and “responsibility” and shit like that.
The instant that a guy does what a female demands, he’s toast. Her list of alpha male characteristics is one big sh*t test to see if any guy is dumb enough to fall for it.
Feminize relationship advice will be the end of us all. Beta Males will be forced to resort to sex dolls within the next 50 years.
Here is one, remember ladies dont marry until you are 30 or above!
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/sex/in-praise-of-kate-middleton-why-one-cosmo-editor-doesnt-plan-to-get-married-until-30-2482104/
i lolled when i read that article.
however faggots on this blog take everything in the posts too seriously.
bunch of spineless emulators
Selfishness is an attractive trait in a man.
Links such as that show the depths to which western culture has fallen.
The attached comments, only prove it.
America has fallen into the abyss of tiny, yapping Paris Hilton dogs and the women who adore them.
Much better looking than Buffalo Bill…
You need to be more specific with your points. Betraying others is Alpha? Maybe if by “betrayal” you mean cheating with a harem of female, but you fail to specify. Was Benedict Arnold an Alpha?
If I plant drugs in my neighbors house and call the cops on them because I don’t want niggers in my neighborhood, am I pulling an Alpha move?
Seriously. Alphas can be assholes, but not all assholes are Alphas.
science proves it again
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/science-confirms-chicks-dig-bad-boys/article2032713/
happy guys finish last!
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-05/uobc-hgf052011.php
Why don’t you want niggers in your neighborhood?
“No. 1 sign you’re a beta: you allow yourself to be shamed by appeals to “honour” and “dignity” and “responsibility” and shit like that.”
The greatest generation wasn’t beta. There is nothing masculine about denying abstract ideas. What’s beta is holding oneself to them, but refusing to enforce them on anyone else.
What’s all the “pack” bullshit? It sounds like she wants to audition for a spot in a harem.
Schwarzenegger and his ballz ride again…
Said Ahnold to a women upon meeting her husband: “Is this guy the reason why you didn’t come up to my hotel room last night and suck my cock?”
“More Sexy Beast Behind Arnold’s Deception,” by Jacob Bernstein, The Daily Beast
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-18/arnold-schwarzeneggers-battle-to-keep-his-private-affairs-private/?cid=hp:beastoriginalsR6
No THAT is Alpha in case folk at AskBetas want to know.
One interesting thing I would like to comment on about the alpha-male ideology is that even though it advises men to employ a range of tactics for decreasing a girl’s own image of her value, it also seems to be rendered meaningless when considered outside the context of getting laid.
I noticed that you described XX’s #8 and #6 signs as “banal.” I would suggest that you describe them as such because they are both fairly unrelated to sexual relationships between men and women.
As I understand it, the alpha male gains his status as alpha through two binary relations: with beta males and with women. The alpha male can show a woman that he is alpha by pointing out beta males and commenting on what makes them beta and how he, the alpha, is different.
The alpha male can also show a woman that he is alpha by somehow demonstrating to the woman that his dating market value is higher than hers.
The alpha-woman-beta triangle that these relations create is what gives each point of the triangle its identity. The alpha could not be an alpha solely by comparing himself to the beta, because part of what gives the alpha his status is the fact that he gets laid more often than the beta, and with better-looking women. But the alpha also needs the beta, because in order to demonstrate his alpha-ness to a woman, he cannot only rely on her perceiving his dating market value as high compared to her own, but also compared to that of other men.
The woman sees this binary relation between the alpha and the beta and recognizes the same asymmetrical power structure that exists between herself and the alpha. I would argue that she comes to see the beta as an ideal to model herself after, in order to heighten the pleasure she gets from representing the alpha male’s power. In the alpha-woman-beta trinity, the beta is like a ghost: an ideal of diminished power that the woman never quite grasps, can never see properly, and it is precisely this unclear status it has in her mind that allows her to idealize it so thoroughly.
One danger that I think lurks in revealing to women the principles according to which they are gamed is that the more clearly they see and understand their ideal of betaness, the less effective that idealization becomes.
Roissy, I have to ask: do you support the modern sexual system, or not? You seem to write positively of alpha males and their traits; but at the same time, you seem almost giddy at times when describing how the system is going to collapse and there will be a return to a patriarchal culture, marriage for life, etc.
I think these Roissy maxims could be appropriate for your average attractive American chick, who’s likely to have an entitlement complex. But self-conscious machismo doesn’t work so well for most foreign women. I’ve dated mostly foreign women; currently an Eastern European girl who grew up in Ukraine. All they really want is a strong man who can provide, protect them and make them feel wanted. That’s it really. These girls are open, easy to talk to, and to be around. The way women in this country are isn’t the way most women are.
No.11 – You’re reading this blog.
I was making out with a girl in a club on Saturday night and at 3AM continued outside… Her friend comes over trying to drag her away (she was from out of town staying with here friend)…
I say “well, it’s up to you, if you want to come home with me that’s cool, if not whatever, go with your friend”…
She’s thinking about for a few minutes…
She then says “well at least you could ask for my number?”,
“I could?”,
“You’re supposed to take the initiative”,
“Ok (I wasn’t bothered)……… let me take your number then”…. “Haha my iPhone just crashed”, I can’t stop laughing. Her friend drags her into a taxi. I go home.
Ah she is referring to Alpha as being the pack leader. She is probably a dog owner, maybe watching too much dog whisperer.
I’ve seen a lot of alpha males. They do shy away from fights often, circling each other and picking their targets. Beta tend to be more insecure about themselves and will fight anyone at the drop of a stone. Her definitions are stupid.
I’ve done a few alpha alpha fights. Where you compete for another guy with skills for a girl, make witty comments and zingers against the other guy, avoiding getting emotional at insults. A lot of girls are thrilled with that sorta banter and drama. It can work. It’s not something I like doing much. It’s quite stressful and it kills my mood for romance.
I prefer easier fights. Having some orbiter try and stop you flirting with her makes the conversation so much more intense and sexual because you can riff of his resistance, and the fact that your lust is forbidden just makes it burn all the hotter.
This post is off base in several points — contrarian, as another commenter said. But Roissy has explained in other cases that what is alpha with other men is not the same as being alpha with women. That is, there’s an implied category error here that Roissy himself has pointed out in other posts, so I’ll assume he’s not making the same category error himself.
Bottom line: You can be an honorable man with a good asshole-game with women. Asshole game doesn’t require you to be underhanded, and sleazy tactics should never be necessary. Blaming others, lying, cheating, backstabbing, that just makes you a dishonorable piece of shit. Yeah, they get laid, too — but so what? You’re still a meretricious crapload. Women don’t get to define who I am — and only the terminally pussywhipped would resort to underhanded tactics to get laid.
My girlfriend’s ex-husband is a natural super-alpha that has banged lots of hot chicks in his life. So have I. Heck, when he was marrying Her back in the day, my girlfriend at the time was way hotter. Now, by the way, the ratings are reversed. My girlfriend is way hotter than my ex. Got ‘em both at the right time, and without manipulation.
As far as her ex-, all that chick-banging still doesn’t make up for the fact that he’s not a man of his word, he’s a deadbeat with his child support, and that his kids know it. Still, the women still line up to screw him. Great. But it ain’t making him happy. Even it did make him happy, so what? Still a lying sack of shit.
Game doesn’t require sociopathy. It’s one thing to adapt to women, and another thing to give your honor away to get laid. You don’t need to do it.
For all the talk around here, it’s not that hard to get laid. Open, turn off bitch shield, cocky/funny, sidestep slut defense, splurt. More to life than that.
The alpha/beta meme will never survive in mainstream circulation without mutating into a hideous, gentle creature. After all, pretty lies make the world go around.
Hey just when I was getting used to the change from Roissy to Chateau now I see the name is Heartiste.
What a half-assed list. No district to the husband’s position and service. Here are 3 simple clues you’re a tingle killer:
1. you’re grateful to be in their company
2. you buy them shit
3. you eat shit sandwiches, think they’re nutritious, and encourage your brothers to eat them, too
Sure you have a “social function,” but don’t kid yourself you have a shot at sex with the hotties.
Great stripper name!
@firepower, personally I think that link would be great for Chateau, but I couldn’t find a way to send it.
weird thing is how many guys are lining up for those women?
Poll Question:
who thinks we are going to have a mass generation of cougars coming up? is it real or in our heads?
Not surprised that this catbox liner became fodder for the cannon.
After reading 10 & 9, it was obvious that either a swell guy wrote it with his girlfriend’s editing, or a woman wrote it.
AskMen. AskMetroMen.
@S
“who thinks we are going to have a mass generation of cougars coming up? is it real or in our heads?”
I’m in my mid 40’s dating and my experience is that there are droves of 40-50 year olds that are like horny young men. Literally throwing themselves at men. I’ve seen it and my friend the same age who is also dating that age range.
Ask “Men”
Seems to me all the article has sent the hamster spinning in all those readers who have never served…
cougars move the meter a little, alphas plunder them, their daughters get religion, and their sons sicken and die. the end.
Alpha’s are odious people… I avoid them in business & personal. Untrustworthy, disloyal, envy ridden if they are outalpha’d. Prefer sycophants for friends and corporate betas for business instead of alpha entrepreneurs (who are always trying to rip you off).
“Happy Guys Finish Last, Says New Study on Sexual Attractiveness” http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110524070310.htm
I think the top dog is the guy who does what he wants, doesn’t give a sh** what others think, and prospers and lives well. (The last two points are important.) Call him alpha or beta or whatever. Irrelevant.
Think how many “alpha” soldier boys never come back or come back missing valuable body parts.
It is very valuable to understand human psychology, both male and female. Call it game if you want. Naive men are easily exploited by women. Marriage is a trap. But, spending time trying to impress girls is a waste of valuable time.
Pathetic it is to watch some guy (maybe the guy in the mirror) trying to be useful to a woman in hopes of some meaningful recompense. Let some other sucker be useful to her.
I think the best lesson from Roissy I have learned is to be indifferent to what women say they want.
Off-topic, but enjoy…
Left/libtards + testosterone = normal
I knew that shit was written by a woman.
Women lie to themselves constantly, but the guaranteed lies are: A – when she’s talking shit about herself in a dating profile (people would describe me as – yeah, right, shut up. You’ve never walked up to a friend and asked, Hey, how would you describe me? She already knows her girlfriend’s gonna lie to her), and B – when she’s talking about what she wants in men. You could hide a BMW sedan in shit stacked that high – even with the headlights on.
With women, the truth is in the feet, and always will be.
Her fucking feet don’t lie – they will be exactly where she wants to be. So women can tell me all that, Oh, she had to be a stripper to get thru college; Oh, he abuses her, but she has no place to go; blah, blah, blah. All bullshit.
And if any woman (or worse, male) wants to refute the abuse comment, save that shit – I know a thing or two about fundraising, and the ONLY charity that doesn’t have to advertise and doesn’t take a hit during a recession is the Battered Women’s Shelter. Their contributors are among the most loyal (and spousally/politically encouraged) in the history of charitable giving. Their numbers grow without any capital outlay.
Her feet are exactly where she wants to be. With very little exception (ex:jail), the feet are the truth-tellers.
Yeah, the list is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read. None of those things describe any alpha male that I have met.
Top 1 reason your a beta…you take your girl advice from askmen.com
I wonder how many guys reading that article and hadn’t heard of Citizen Renegade would take it to heart.
More need than ever for a list of ‘to avoid’ websites.
Re: No.1 You Bully People
There is a difference between physically DHV through body language and a big fat slob picking on a shrimp because he is pissed he can’t get laid.
Re: Jimmy
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/pack-of-teens-trash-dunkin-donuts-20110523-lgf
Any more questions?
Philly Beer
Good – I see you are following up on my idea that we can subcategorize types of success with females, and that in the context of game its a useful concept to just tack on the suffix alpha to whatever the strategy is. Fame-alpha. Leader-of-men-alpha. Thug-alpha. Comic-alpha. Social-charisma-alpha. Money-alpha.
Well said – the leader of men alpha is ONE among many successful sexual strategies. From the pragmatic aim of how to attract women, knowing all that there is to know about that strategy is not enough to be all around great with the girls.
Honesty…
To be socially acceptable is to be feminized. So, no. The concept can’t survive, because females can’t make a syncretic whole out of rape play and gender equality. The rape play aspect of Alpha will be tidied up, and what will be talked about is the good moral provider alpha – a Pastor Rob version of alpha. All the better for an esoteric art if it remains esoteric.
Read Casanova’s “History of My Life.”
It will disabuse you of any idea of being “honorable” when it comes to the art of getting what you want.
Hm. Yes, she was wrong in her assumption.
I do believe that you have women in a box a bit -not all follow this.
Threadjack!
As a Roissy reader, it was pretty easy to disentangle this ‘paradox.’
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-mathematics-of-beauty/
Our generous host should post on this one!
I love this fucking blog.
I discovered it last night and have been enlightened in exponents too great to quantify.
I employed the body language techniques tonight and, holy shit, the women around me immediately took notice of my alpha posturing.
Amazing.
I view myself as a cognitive beta with the physical features of an alpha, at least how I envision them to be: tall, defined jaw, full head of hair, broad shoulders, muscular physique, deep voice, ect … BTW, I scored a 6 on MV test(could easily be bumped to a 12 or 13 with minor adjustments).
I know I’m capable of scoring massive amounts of poon – this blog is giving me the tools to reach full alphadom.
Thank you.
Every time I leave my house now, it’s like I’m on a sociological research expedition with the sole aim of examining the female psyche as it exists, not how I have thought to be, for my entire sexual life.
I know the first action I need to take is to tame, and then destroy, my inner beta – it will be a challenge since I’ve ALWAYS used beta tactics to score vagina. I’ve had far more vagina, though, than most guys I know. I think the fact that I look alpha(I am undeniable masculine – I reek of testosterone, at least physically), and act like an alpha, to some degree, in social situations, has helped me plenty in my pussy pursuits.
This blog is a treasure trove, no doubt about it, but if someone can give me the primer, a set of directions, or, links to previous posts, for a novice pussy slayer capable of slaying so much more, I’d appreciate it.
I want nothing more than to break the shackles of betadom. I’m sick of it, I’m sick of the anti-nature behavior my inner beta brings forth, and, most of all, I’m sick of not living-up to my potential as a master alpha.
Thanks.
Those points match almost verbatim the way a girl I was once fucking described her ‘alpha’ boyfriend…..
I gave up on the AskMen website years ago when they had some old fart called Doc Love giving lame advice on women.
Does anyone else have problems reading this site on the safari browser, on the iPad?
White Devil, I’d recommend reading KrauserPUA’s blog. It’s a hidden gem. Work your way through the whole thing little by little if you can.
@raynasybelle,
Thank you for that tacit acknowledgment.
@the dromedary,
Co-sign.
XX is describing Superman. A paragon of virtue and nobility. Also known as the sucker, the lawful stupid, the one who, in reality, is easily used and discarded by those like her very self, but will keep coming back for more.
What Roissy describes is the Evil Overlord. The creature out for his own ambition and gratification. The one who sees people as the resource for his own fulfillment and not as important in and of themselves. Darkseid, Thanos, Dr. Doom, and the like. I would include Lex Luthor, but he’s got too much homoeroticism going with the man of steel to be of note here. The man who will use the woman in question like the filthy hole she is, and discard her just as quickly.
Who does she truly think gets the women hot? I’ll give her a hint: Women don’t get hot thinking of being raped by a tree hugging hippy liberal.
I have to disagree with the author on #1. The willingness to fight even when you know you’re probably going to get your ass kicked is what separates the men from the boys. In fact, it’s the main difference between those who end up sucking dicks in prison and those who don’t; those who get their lunch money took, and those who don’t. Note that I didn’t say you have to be able to actually win a fight, you just need enough heart to be willing to fight. Also, realize that I’m talking about situations where, as Sun Tzu would say, you have the superior moral cause. If you’re getting into fights over nothing, you’re just an idiot.
@ white devil – Roosh’s blog is also very good. It focuses a little more on travel, and is a little less over the top. Commenter Shark has a pretty good blog too. A little more succinct and no frills, and the sycophancy of his commentariat is always entertaining.
Roissy… You seem to glorify sociopathy..
@Dromedary
Relatively speaking, the best looking East European women (as compared to their peers) require much more game than American women. The thing is that, once a woman falls below the level of 9 in EE, she will feel the pressure of the local competition and she can become easier to get to know than an American woman as long as she is still “in country” and feeling the pressure of all the 9s and 10s walking around.
But, when a woman is 18 and better looking than her East European peers, meaning she’s temporarily one of the best looking women in the world, watch out. It’s easier to game an American 18 year old. Believe me.
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The few guys above who wrote that lying is bad (that they agree with XX’s desire to be told the truth all the time) simply haven’t ever tried to date the youngest and best looking adult women describe above while being themselves over 30 (or 40, or 50).
At that age and level of looks, they want a perfect superhuman 23 year old man or a massive rule breaker. It’s easier to be the latter.
You have to straight-facedly tell them you’re 30 and you have to be shocked and argumentative if they say that even 30 is too old. Nuclear neg them into recognizing that they will themselves be “too old” by 25 according to evo biologists. Do whatever it takes to change the frame. It may come across as mean and talking about evo biology is seriously breaking the rules in most societies, but you should have already internalized that it’s even meaner for an 18 year old not to be into you.
DSK was doing one thing correctly. He was acting like he completely expected that gorgeous young women would want his fat 62 year old butt. He was wrong about the use of physical force (if that was true) but he had the general idea when he called two receptionists half his age to come up to his suite that weekend in New York.
The maid’s testimony is describing how the 62 year old man was shocked that she wasn’t interested.
That (without the violence) is precisely the way to play it.
I badly broke the rules recently when, after a 9.5 flaked on me by not answering her phone, I showed up at her work. Don’t try this in the USA because the feminists own the police and the mentality of what a crime is. With me, she couldn’t help but smile while I waited for her to deal with her customers. She couldn’t believe the confidence and nerve it showed. We talked and went on a date later.
Her co-workers had like me.
Again, in the USA the feminists own the culture so much that they would call that “stalking” and it would have totally destroyed any possibility of a relationship (despite the fact that her flaking maneuver couldn’t have been bypassed by any other means than showing up in person). The concept of stalking is yet another reason why the feminists have destroyed the west. They make it impossible in many circumstances for men to pass shiite tests.
Before stalking laws were implemented, many a man could save a relationship by showing up at a woman’s workplace with flowers for instance. The general American idea now is that, if a woman says she doesn’t want to see a man, or if she is flaking on him, then she really doesn’t want to see him. Half the time, it isn’t really true.
Break the rules and work to repeal the laws that make breaking the rules illegal.
This article is pretty lame. Don’t you think this whole alpha male does this, trying to be cool stuff is …well, beating a dead horse? I mean, fuck you guys. Go get a life. And this Chateau guy, lying to us that he’s getting laid. Please.
Caveat to the post in moderation: I realize that most US stalking laws don’t specifically say it’s wrong for a guy who hasn’t made any threats to simply show up at a woman’s place of work. As written, I’m sure some of the laws are sensible. But Americans have internalized that it’s wrong for the man to show up in front of a woman without her permission (some PUA aspies will have theorized that it’s beta to show up in front of a woman without her express permission to do so).
In non-feminist countries, if co-workers like a guy who just showed up to speak with a woman whom he’d never threatened before, she will be unable to think “he’s a weird stalker” because her co-workers will have supported HIS frame of it being great for him to just show up.
The Canadian press is getting more with the Chateau’s program than elsewhere. Here is an interesting comment under one of the recent articles:
So players get credit for succeeding under long odds while sluts get no credit at all because everyone knows, correctly, that they didn’t really have to try hard.
@ Jerry – illegal or no, what you’re talking about would make a woman’s pussy snap shut like a bear trap. In fact, asking women to recount their stalker stories and making fun of the guys who do lame, creepy shit like showing up at her job or place unannounced is a good way to build rapport.
But who knows, maybe I’m not getting the whole story and your other comment stuck in mod is the most super duper stupendulous alpha comment ever.
@The Specimen
I expected that response from the unmoderated comment but know you’re smart enough to know how aspies will say that a PUA rule applies in all cases when, in fact, sometimes a guy has to do the opposite of what the PUA rules say in order to succeed. It fits into the “rule breakers” model in these cases.
What I had written was that an 18 year old 9.5 in Eastern Europe had flaked, not answering phone calls or texts and just blowing off a date.
Whereas such behavior from anything less than a 9.5 should cause a man to just keep moving with others, and whereas an American woman’s mangina colleagues would actually contribute to making any such move be seen as that of a “loser”, I knew that it was going to be culturally acceptable for me to show up plus I knew that it was going to be the ONLY way to win.
I judged correctly. And one can’t argue with success. It turned out that she had low self esteem and doesn’t think she is very smart.
I had assumed the opposite, that she felt she was the most superior creature and I was too old for her.
Remember that the word “creepy” is a feminist construct that the manosphere has been collectively exposing as a way to shame men into behaviors that feminists want.
I agree that asking women to recount stories of lame moves by men is an excellent way to build rapport.
But American men should be careful of collectively allowing American women to continuously narrow the field of what is “acceptable”.
If this 18 year old were working in an American office, the American men working with her would have contributed to telling her that she should seriously stay away from me, simply because of what I’d done. While one can say that this would be a fair way for “alphas” to compete, one can also call them manginas for helping frame the situation as feminists want it to be framed (that men are creepy for wanting a face to face denouement when a woman flakes).
But, because she was in an East European office with a bunch of married women who wanted to see her married off to a great guy, it turned out to be a big plus when the married women really liked me and nudged her to realize that she seemed to have a good man interested in her.
If I didn’t do it, I would have been rejected by default and I wouldn’t know that the flaking was because of her own low self esteem (belief that I couldn’t take her seriously).
Regarding the idea of building rapport with women by asking them to recount stories of lame male activity, here’s an anecdote of how, while it can be a good rapport builder, there was no way I was going to allow a woman to get away with calling some guy lame who wasn’t necessarily:
A woman in Manhattan once told me the last guy she’d met online hadn’t reacted so well when she called just before the second date and canceled, saying “I don’t see a future between us”.
She said “He got angry and tried to give me a lecture on civility”.
I had to answer “Wouldn’t you consider it rude for someone to call at the last second and say they don’t want to meet you because they’re not really that interested”?
She looked at me like I was from Outer Space.
I wasn’t playing by the “agree with me” rules.
I said “I’ll fetch you a taxi”.
It was one of the shorter dates I’ve ever had. I left Manhattan permanently soon after because I had gotten the “creepy” feeling that too many Manhattan women wanted men who would agree with them about how “lame” some men are when they’re not.
Outside of the US, Canada and UK, one rarely meets the kind of women who insist on men agreeing with them.
I’m not sure if, as she got into the taxi, I said “By the way, I agree with the man who gave you the lecture.” I probably didn’t say it.
That was one rare instance when “Bros before ho’s” actually applied.
@zidjian
is it because they are desperate or Horny?
do you like those cymbals or something? drummer?
“I served in the army where most are alpha males.”
Riiiight.
Disagreeing with a woman about stuff – especially like in the example you gave above -is a perfect opportunity for some good natured teasing (so long as you’re cool about it) and displaying higher value via superior moral character/social dexterity.
Scenario: You’re on a date with an American woman and you ask her about the other men she’s dated (great rapport-building question).
She answers “There was this guy I was dating who sent me flowers after the 4th date to my office. I was so embarrassed. I had to send him an email to break up with him right then and there.”
Question: Has she just built rapport with you or earned your serious disrespect? Would you value her friendship in any way from that moment forward? Chiding the guy for making a beta move is irrelevant to the question.
Here is an actual story (or urban legend):
A guy working at Chase Bank in tech support in the Wall Street skyscraper started dating a woman working in marketing in the midtown skyscraper.
Shortly after the 2nd date (where everything had gone well and they’d made out), he happened to be attending a conference at the midtown building. The meeting ended at 5PM.
He figured he’d head on over to her desk on her floor and say hi and maybe get an impromptu instadate from a woman whom he was already on kissing terms with.
She had left promptly at 5PM. Her desk was empty.
He then took a Post-It note of hers and wrote that he’d just finished a meeting and wanted to say hi.
The next day she saw the note and immediately emailed him that he should understand why she did not want to continue the relationship. She didn’t need to spell it out and he totally understood that he’d “screwed up”.
According to American feminist rules, he’d committed the cardinal sin of invading her “space”.
Only in America would anyone call that “stalker” activity.
Elsewhere he’d have looked good for being important enough to attend meetings at another corporate location.
While PUAs need to do what works in whatever culture they are in, they should definitely not contribute to the feminist frame about “stalking”.
@The Specimen
Yes. I agree. I tried to be humorous and teased that one about how she should be happy the guy was seriously disappointed in her calling at the last second to cancel.
I remember saying something like “You’d be unhappy if he’d said ‘Great, I was looking for a way out of this because there’s a party at the Boathouse in Central Park I’d wanted to go with another woman”.
But she was a serious, Boston educated feminist and she was determined to get me to agree that the man had no right to get angry and lecture her about some action she’d taken.
Continuing a date with a determined ideological feminist is not something I ever wanted to do or really had to do (I moved outside the anglosphere more than a decade ago).
But I wouldn’t blame you or anyone for just bearing with it.
Remember that feminists have no sense of humor.
Need advice, I’ll try to keep it short and sweet:
I met a girl about a month ago, 24, top 20 law grad, 5’8”, 125lbs, DD, dirty blonde – in short – she’s hot.
During the course of said month, I violated every conceivable natural law of attraction, including, but not limited to: unsolicited I miss you(s), thinking of you(s), talking about kids(she has an impregnation fantasy, [and] a rape fantasy), moving somewhere together, I wrote her a poem(she requested it), ect …
Load the shotgun.
Also, she insisted on paying for at least half the dinner dates.
Well, surprise surprise, last Thursday, she dumped me via FB. I negged her in the reply(I didn’t know I was doing so at the time) and she texted me on Sunday admitting how she missed my arms and to tell me how good-looking I am.
Immediately, my inner beta howled like a love starved banshee, ultimately offering a confession, through text, that I’d wait for her forever.
Shoot me now.
Against my better judgement, I texted her Monday to see how she was doing – it was a short exchange, nothing emotional or important.
A few hours later, I discovered this blog and have been feasting on the material ever since.
She called me Tuesday night and I ignored her attempt at communication, for the first time in our short relationship, and have not returned any form communication, yet.
Experienced alphas, how should I handle this situation?
I have not had sex with this girl – only finger banging and hand jobs have been exchanged. I want to have sex with this girl REALLY bad, she has one of the tightest vaginas, if not the tightest vagina, I have ever encountered.
Any advice will be much appreciated.
German press interviews a mangina French blogger who says that everything DSK was doing with women was misogynist:
http://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/dominique-strauss-kahn/dominique-strauss-kahn-journalist-jean-quatremer-er-liebt-die-frauen-nicht-er-will-sie-besitzen-18056740.bild.html
“The way he touched female journalists during the interviews they were trying to give, makes me realize that he didn’t really love women but wanted to control them”.
White Devil: hand jobs are useless unless you’re 16. If a gal is taking your pants off, go get the box of condoms ready.
You probably can’t salvage anything other than a few hate fucks out of this broad. She’s a law grad, so she’s only good for sex. Don’t return any of her texts or calls, and just text or call her when you want her to come over for sex. That’s it. Search “bring some videos” on this site.
Law grad females are not worth much investment. Game her constantly, always be stand-offish, neg to the best of your ability and don’t show any heart. You need to stop being the one thinking she’s hot, make her think you’re hot.
If I ever (rarely) crush on some dame, it’s a sign I’m not busy enough with other women, friends, work and travel. Oneitis sucks.
Re: Gramps
You’re right, niggers are bad. I bet the only ones you know are on tv. I foresee a cruel joke in your future, your granddaughter will breed with a nigger and you’ll have a nice little chocolate subhuman to call your own. Peace.
money-alpha, fame-alpha, military-alpha, etc….
and according to this blog all are trumped by the women-alpha.
but why not put it all together?
why not be a total fucking complete alpha in all things?
The 19 best unintentionally sexual church signs:
http://www.someecards.com/2011/04/12/unintentionally-sexual-church-signs
Why the fuck is it called AskMen if it has female writers?
western females these days pretty much are men.
Future alphas (kids) behaving badly:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/25/the-funniest-kids-test-an_n_587753.html#s92695&title=Not_Cool
Rest assured, gentlemen, that all the girlies have told me that I would “make a great boyfriend.”
lmfao!
women’s words mean very little, grasshopper.
Alas, these sentiments never turn out to much of anything
see?
phrases like ‘you’re a great guy’ and ‘you’d make a great boyfriend’ are what women say to men they would never fuck.
you can keep holding out for ‘the one’…..or you could take the red pill.
@Riq
” Does anyone else have problems reading this site on the safari browser, on the iPad?”
Download the Terra browser from the App store. Safari doesn’t like the new wordpress schema.
What is truly insidious about her list is not that its wrong, its that its SUBTLY wrong. This list is just close enough to the truth to mislead betas, who are trying to be alpha, because it sounds like its right, even though its not.
This also highlights something that we as men need to take a notice of and prevent. Women are trying to redefine Alpha. We can’t allow this to happen for obvious reasons.
Roissy once again is up on his research. How the hell he covers all othis stuff I don’t know, but I’m not smiling anymore. Ever.
http://www.montrealgazette.com/Smile+good+style/4835170/story.html
Excellent idea. When you finish the list, come back and submit your compilation; it will undoubtedly ingratiate you further to our gracious host.
So, women are not attracted to guys that smile. Doesn’t it contradicts the advice about women wanting a guy who is funny and sociable?
“There’s daggers in men’s smiles.”
You can be funny and sociable without smiling like a dipshit.
Alpha is a mindset, not a demographic. I understand that a lot of guys are averse to using community terminology because it tends to get convoluted by individual interpretation. The idea of Alpha is too ambiguous for some, and others would rather cater the definition of Alpha to fit their personal conditions (i.e. beta supplication is really Alpha because the AFC is dedicated to playing by the rules he believes make him chivalric, et. al.) Likewise, Beta is a mindset, not a demographic, as well. I know several guys who are very well off, have looks and determination, but they’re pitiable because their beta influence makes them subject to all sorts of manipulations. Conversely I know plenty of Alpha guys with zero prospects, who’d be condemned as losers in most contexts – yet still manage to pump and dump the hottest of HBs.
Even royalty can’t compensate for cringing betaness.
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/prince-william-beta-chump/
Alpha ≠ Chivalrous.
There are noble Alphas and there are scoundrel Alphas, the difference is all in how they apply themselves. There’s a tendency to approach every “Alpha” argument from what a guy thinks is righteousness; ergo his definition of Alpha is what appeals best to his sense of virtue. However, the sad truth is that prisons are full of Alpha males who simply channeled their drive toward destructive and anti-social endeavors. There are plenty of examples of indifferent A-hole Alphas who you wouldn’t say are leaders at all, yet women will literally kill each other, or themselves(bring the movies) in order to bang them because they exude a natural Alphaness.
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/umm-sorry/
Corey Worthington is a piss poor example of a human being, but he’s a textbook example of Alpha. I could use a lot of adjectives to describe this kid, but “beta” wouldn’t be one of them. What’s funny, and a bit ironic, is this kid’s probably never come across Mystery Method or “the community” or even heard of ‘peacocking’ and he gets naturally what millions of guys pay small fortunes at PUA seminars to acquire over the course of a lifetime. He’s a selfish little prick, but what makes him insulting to ‘normal’ men is his having the natural bravado so many AFCs desperately wish they had.
All perception is biased to some degree. Respect is contingent upon the standards of respect held by the one doing the respecting. You’ll probably agree that Corey is detestable and unworthy of our respect. That is, except for his almost Zen-like Alpha attitude. Guy’s like Corey infuriate men who have invested their self-worth in the accomplishments of what they think ought to be universally respected and rewarded. So when they’re confronted with a natural Alpha being undeservedly rewarded and praised for brazenly acting out of accord with what they think the “rules’ of polite society ought to be, they seethe with resentment. The natural response in the face of such an inconsistency is to redefine ‘Alpha’ to cater to themselves and validate their accomplishments as “real men” and exclude the “rule breaking” perpetrator. The conflict then comes from seeing his new, self-applied, definition of Alpha not being rewarded or even appreciated as well as a natural Alpha attitude and the cycle continues.
There are Alpha drug dealing gang leaders, and there are Alpha husbands, fathers and leaders of communities and industry. Application is the only thing that separates them.
@chuck
ha…most men certainly are not alpha males in the armed forces. They draw all kinds but, unfortunately, the power tends to draw out the worst tendencies of the most volatile of males: the lesser alphas.
Beta males tend to remain betas in the armed forces. Alphas remain who they are: naturally self assured alphas. However, the constant need for posturing by the lesser alpha to climb in status, combined with a little bit of training and experience, turns lesser alphas into morons blustering with false bravado.
These lesser alphas can be recognized by their quickness to emotion (like wishing someone boil themselves in oil), readiness to over-emphasize and exaggerate alpha characteristics – learned or innate, and utter reliance on their armed forces association to reinforce their identities (which manifests as constant bragging, out of context shop talk, judgment of others, or name dropping).
Your damnation of the content of this blog, although you seem to be intimately familiar with it (given away by your awareness of the term ‘omega’), seems to come from a place of self conflict.
I saw very few guys in the military getting laid regularly and I felt guys stationed overseas who didn’t mix with local women were gammas even before I knew the term..
Ten minutes of the Pentagon Channel will convince any enemy that the US military is jam-packed with married guys who need to go through sensitivity training in order to not upset women.
However, there were a few to admire. Any servicemen reading this should emulate the following:
One alpha in basic training was smart enough to volunteer to do CQ duties when a traveling group of young female peace corps volunteers needed to stay in a barracks. I remember realizing too late that he’d been smart enough to volunteer before anyone was even asked.
Later, when my unit was working a hot dog stand for a charity benefit, an alpha knew how to innocently but suggestively ask the hotties if they wanted an upgrade to the Polish sausage. If they suggestively said yes he’d ask them to come around the stand to an area out of sight.
These guys clearly had the right fathers or father figures to learn from. The military itself wasn’t teaching us younguns to think outside the box like that.
I don’t get the pack thing. I’m my own man, I travel alone or if I feel like it, in a pack, but for only brief interludes. I do my pick-ups without a wing man usually, but will employ one if I need to. I fit into no crowd or any crowd. I do what I feel like when I feel like it. This list should be renamed top ten signs you are Dudley Do-right.
Alpha is a state of mind, not a demographic.
I personally know Marines who’ve been in fire fights in Afghanistan and Iraq who are some of the biggest AFCs you’d ever want to know. These are guys who’ve pulled the trigger on other human beings determined to kill them, but they’ll blubber like children at the thought of losing their ONEitis girl. We’re not talking HB 8+’s, these guys are completely owned by their overweight 4’s and 5’s wives – or at least the ones they didn’t completely absolve of cuckolding them while they were deployed.
I could relate countless other stories about very successful businessmen too. All guys that anyone would call Alpha – millionaires by their own determination – who’re hopeless, plugged in chumps with women. Most of these guys would probably wipe the floor with me, but it doesn’t make them any less a beta. Would I tell them that to their face? Not in a fighting ring, but if the guy’s were crying on my shoulder and desperate to get out of some BPD relationship, you bet your ass I would.
Here is the short form:
Any quality that a group of females will agree is an alpha quality is NOT an alpha quality. It’s a beta provider quality.
Poor them.
It’s like they want ice cream but can only ask for oat meal.
Rollo – good examples of how being a leader of men and otherwise excelling at what you do can be unrelated to being attractive to women.
I agree that some people find it emotionally disturbing to laud poor behavior, even and especially when it leads to pussy.
Q for the chateau readers, what would you think personality-wise of a chick with lots of tats? This one I’ve seen is a beautician, mid 20s, a pretty solid 8, says she doesn’t party or drink alcohol and isn’t a bad girl. Don’t know if she’s fronting on that, don’t know her well. Just curious about it, could she be a submissive type who just likes the pain? Just an ex goth? Anybody else been with a girl like this?
Omegas break the rules.
Betas always obey them.
Alphas always obey them, but will never back down from trying to change the unfair ones.
The military is alpha one.
Go fuck her and let us know.
Well you tried to categorize alphas the same way she did albeit with different qualities. The problem with that is there can be alpha males today that don’t fit your description. Why can’t an alpha male simply be a man with the balls to live the life he wants to lead and not care what others think? You can be a stand up man and be still be happy with yourself. Some men, albeit very few, may have it all but don’t want to spend their entire life sleeping around constantly or treating women like shit. Hell, some may even find a real connection with one. Does that automatically make him beta if he doesn’t compromise himself in the process?
I’m sure you will say it is because of low testosterone or something else physiologically that is turning them beta. Evolutionarily speaking you may say that is wrong but we don’t live in the stone age anymore and capable human beings are able to adapt to their surroundings and extract what they want from each situation. Don’t project your wants on everyone. However, I won’t deny that most alpha males are as you describe, I’m just saying there can be exceptions to the rule.
Not every alpha male wants the same things out of life therefore they will adapt to get what they want. As long as they don’t compromise themselves as men to get what they want what does it matter whether they fit your description or not.
^^^^
Man bites dog. Film at 11.
No jokes needed about how the Joplin Walmart was completely destroyed
http://www.parentcentral.ca/parent/babiespregnancy/babies/article/995112–parents-keep-child-s-gender-secret
Beyond belief…………..
I feel generous today.
So:
The tat/personality issue is best decided by YOU, after you decide if you want to marry her – or just fuck her.
I now avoid tatted up chicks; they’re annoying, often defining everything they do by their ink.
Get over yourself “ladies”
Top 10 Signs You’re not a Beta Male indeed.
Rather:
Top 10 Signs You’re a Douchebag.
Alphas answer to no one, neither bitches or bosses.
This definition of alpha that narrows it down to being desired by the hottest bitches takes all the hard work out of becoming an alpha. Anybody can learn Game. This blog is proof of that. But very few can master other men, be an outlaw, or make themselves famous.
This narrow, fuck-centric definition of alpha lets too many lesser men in the door. Any definition that allows for someone to be pushed around and treated like a bitch by his middle manager all week and then go out on the weekends and smash the most beautiful pussy and call himself Alpha is a flawed definition.
Why not become an alpha in all things?
My guess is that would exclude most of you, maybe even the writers of this blog.
Rather:
Top 10 Signs You’re a Douchebag.
women love banging douchebags.
qed.
True, but after sleeping with a few douchebags a wise woman learns they’re not long term material and it’s better, though rare, to find an alpha with more gentlemanly traits, like that described my anonym above, for better husband potential.
@Vivi
That presumes “wise women” are around. We haven’t been producing a whole lot lately. These days, the urban masses are sticking with an all douchebag all the time regimen until they hit the wall.
It’s too late by then.
Once again rollo wins. /discussion
This is SO true.
women typically find that rare male
when they hit 30
Jesse
So what?
This is a place to discuss game.
Do you have a problem with men learning game?
If you don’t like people who are merely good with women being called alphas, call them olphas. Would that work for you?
Jesse, if your point is that being good with women does not necessarily make a person good at life, or admirable, or socially beneficial, not only will no one here argue with you, but we’ve been saying that again and again for years.
It must be so emotionally painful for you to see a group of men discuss something that you don’t find admirable.
But we do. We are discussing it. And we don’t care at all what you find admirable or not.
You and Pastor Rob should start a church group.
Damn. The irony was too think. Was she serious or not?
10 was – You let her pay for dinner
9 was – You never apologize, even when your wrong.
I can’t tell if she thinks these are good things or bad things.
Not that I care.
This is ridiculous. Both chateau and XX are right in circumstances, and wrong in others. Its completely worthless when you give such general, vague generalizations about how someone acts and even more ridiculous when you apply a black and white sense of right and wrong.
Truth is that your perception reading this will have a great influence on what you perceive this to mean, as it is very subjectively written. I’m surprised chateau bothered with such a poorly written and in-concise list.
Also WTF is with XX’s obsession with the “pack”.
jessie, so true.
Their are a lot less real alphas out there than some like to believe.
Jason and Jesse, why the obsession with who is or isn’t a real alpha? Who cares? Why does it matter?
You guys don’t seem to be able to grasp what the project is here.
To all you White Knights out there who must, for your own reasons, pedestalize The Fairer Sex: Explain how you would construct a society that could function smoothly, generation after generation, with maximum happiness and fulfillment to all of gods creatures – if/when the unvarnished truth of the female ID, with all its deep hypergamy and amorality – was openly acknowledged and taught in plain language to the young, especially to boys.
This is merely a hypothetical question, as of now, but it might become a problem you guys cannot continue to ignore if you are really serious about the Future of Western Civilization etc., etc. If you start to feel tempted to prettify the matter – Remember! – the minute you would start telling lies the Spirit Of God will leave you utterly and forever, without hope of redemption because you would have committed a Sin Against The Holy Spirit – which cannot be forgiven,
Q for the chateau readers, what would you think personality-wise of a chick with lots of tats?
The lower the tat, the lower her standards.
Even the real life Tony Stark, Iron Man himself, is not immune to the divorce industry.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elon-musk/correcting-the-record-abo_b_639625.html
http://gawker.com/5196054/money-cant-buy-elon-musk-love
The self-proclaimed golddigger’s “reasonable” requests. Please read it carefully, and think of a Hamster so large and powerful it could singlehandedly power the Death Star.
Don’t miss the comments.
http://moschus.livejournal.com/140610.html
Small government? Entrepreneurship? Good luck…I’m not sure anything can repel hamster power of this magnitude.
I think the obsession over who is a real alpha and who is not is simply sour grapes. Who use to be the alpha male back in the day? The biggest meanest fella who took what he wanted, but then tools were invented and put them in their place.
The days of the physically imposing alpha male getting the most poon is long gone. They are upset that even though they can beat up any guy they want they aren’t necessarily getting the most ass nowadays. Basically natural alphas feel as if their birth right is being trampled on with Game. It infuriates them to see a ordinary fellow getting the most pussy and being called a alpha.
I’d have to say this blog’s definition of alpha is the most consistent. The more ass you get.. the more alpha you are. After all it doesnt matter what us men have to say about a man’s SMV, only what the women think. If some fat ass 400 pound guy is getting laid on a constant basis hes alpha despite the fact I wouldn’t like it.
slightly off topic but beta of the year award goes to:
Michael Thomson of Slate
http://www.slate.com/id/2295405/pagenum/all/
An insight into the sociopath, some qualities of which are surely possessed by every alpha:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/may/21/jon-ronson-how-to-spot-a-psychopath
OT:
I got a Kindle as a gift a month ago so I’ve been on a book reading binge. I’ve read a few crime fiction books written by male authors, and in every singe one, the male protagonist is a pussy worshiping pedestalizer. A few years ago I wouldn’t have even noticed this shit, now forget it. It’s kind of a pain in the ass, I just want to enjoy the books, but I find myself rolling my eyes whenever the female love interest shows up.
– Paranoia by Joseph Finder: corporate pussy begger with no game
– The Gravy Train: read half and couldn’t finish, embarrassing pedestaling
– The Lock Artist by Steve Hamilton: Great book highly recommended, unfortunately the male falls for a girl and gushes over her like crazy, while she treats him like shit.
– The Defector by Mark Chisnell: the most disgusting fem worship I’ve seen. the female treats the male character like total dirt yet he begs for more. awful.
– Big City, Bad Blood by Sean Chercover: I’m reading this now. The main male is a tough, jaded private investigator, yet when it comes to women he is absolutely pathetic. not an ounce of game, and keep in mind this is a modern noir. if you want to read a noir when the men were still men, read The Big Sleep by Raymond Chandler.
It’s a sorry state of affairs. We have male authors writing gritty, tough crime novels yet the male protagonists are pathetic when it comes to women. They have no problem offing men at the drop of a hat though, of course.
Once you take the red pill there’s no going back. Hard not to notice this shit.
Study: smiling men are the least attractive
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/05/25/smiling-men-are-the-least-attractive-b-c-study/
Off-topic: the 10 most dangerous cities in America.
What do they all have in common? Hmm, I have no idea. It couldn;’t be the racial demographics, especially the large percentage of one Obama loving Demo-rat voting group:
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112804/most-dangerous-cities-247
You’ll find no solace in the victory of rationality.
At even this point in history, more men than you should intelligently expect are competing vigorously against each other to “win the heart” of such worthless objects.
My ‘game’, in response to these signs:
10: It’s always split. Only time I’ll ever pay for her end is if she’s earned it during our exclusive relationship. So yeah, a serious girlfriend will get treated to a meal once a month.
9: I hate apologizing. In the old days of my betaness, I used to apologize more times than not. And I got more shit for it. The most a girl gets out of me is a sarcastic ‘Oops!’ or a “Whatever”.
8: If I have a group of peers who I trust and respect, I’ll follow their lead. They know their shit. I won’t kiss their butts, but I’ll agree to doing things their way as long as it gets the job done and is mutually beneficial.
However, friends/prospects/family members can’t tell me what to do. ASKING me is their best bet, for which I’ll have the choice to say Yes or Fuck No.
7. I don’t care to gossip, but I usually use it as a last resort for entertainment purposes. Sue me. I’ve found myself in a position time and time again where a girl is just cold and non-responsive that I have to play the self-amusing asshole card just to get a reaction out of her. Whether it’s ripping on her friends or her sister.
6. I’ve had a car crash happen at the intersection I was ready to cross. I’ve seen fights break out on the dance floor. I’ve seen a 40-year-old woman punch another 40-year-old woman to the entrance of a bar I was walking into. If shit happens, it does. I’ll respond with a quick head turn, but I’ll keep calm about it.
5. Most times I think before I act. Other times, the cat is already out of the bag, so I’ll just go with my gut feeling. A drunk guy pushing me for the 4th time will undoubtedly get a punch to the temple, and probably more.
4. If I believe it’s my fault, I’ll take the hit. But I usually defend myself if I have excuses.
3. Yeah, I’ll lie. Anything to manipulate and get what I want. Otherwise, I won’t say anything.
2. I’m not betraying anyone. It’s a race to the finish, and I want to come in 1st place. We’re all competitive in some way.
1. Nah, I don’t bully people. I just walk away if the situation is bad. Or fire back at them if it’s clear that I’ll be ok in doing so.
Jar-Jar writes:
That’s an interesting take, but I don’t think Game is the culprit. Not by a long shot. Things changed when we moved out of tribes of 50-150 and eventually into societies where governments regulate violence. No longer were males required to forge alliances or be physically imposing themselves. In an impersonal state everyone is entitled to protection, which means people with natural alpha qualities have seen the value of their natural abilities diminished. (It’s worth noting the male rights movement only criticizes government with regard to replacing a man’s economic contribution to women).
As for this alpha-beta stuff in general, it’s conflated like crazy on this blog and in the comments. If referring to high-status, fine; someone can be alpha in the sense he’s at the top of the heap. But it’s just pure bullshit to say someone is “alpha” if he attracts a lot of pussy because people attract pussy in different ways, whether it’s via wealth, power, looks, or charm.
An alpha-beta terminology predates blogging, pre-dates the contemporary notions of “Game” and so ironically bastardization is more likely found on this site. The original article, despite hamster spinning for all the posters here, is rather faithful to the traditional ideals of alpha behavior. So is that behavior best at attracting pussy? No, because deception works.
Q for the chateau readers, what would you think personality-wise of a chick with lots of tats?
Several factors to weight:
– how close the tattoo is to her puss.y (the closer, the worse)
– if very close, is it hidden by clothes or at least partially visible? (hidden very bad, partially hidden bad)
– what is tattoed?
– how big is it? (the bigger, the worse)
– tattoes in the face or neck are indicators of troubled personalities
Say, a big mermaid starting close to her as.shole and appearing out of her pants is bad, really bad. Some japanese letter in her foot is no big issue.
A heart that is only visible if you take her pant.ies is a prize she offers those who bang her. And that is bad, extremely bad, because is a way a who.re may convince herself she is still a “prize”
Why is Elliot Spitzer now a highly paid CNN announcer? It’s probably because he told the feminists that he’d turn on them big-time if they didn’t a) clear him of the charges made when he broke the anti-john law they’d gotten him to sign and b) repay him for the career damage they’d caused when he was arrested by giving him an even better career.
If he’d been charged with an offense and thus loudly turned on the feminists, the Democratic Party would have gone into turmoil. He wasn’t about to become any sacrificial lamb.
Blog post says Generation Y Males will further enable feminism:
http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/generation-y-raised-on-nothing-but-feminism-will-be-a-nightmare-for-men
Let’s hope that’s wrong.
Rum you’re terrible, lol
@ game curious
The rule of thumb is that the more tats a chick has, the more bad boy cocks she’s ridden or wants to ride.
Who is Heartiste?
What’s with the continuing confusion over what is alpha? Seems many of you haven’t absorbed enough of Roissy’s teachings. Alpha is the man who has free access to the largest quantity of highest-quality poon, whether he chooses to hit it or not.
Banging a bunch of uglies or fatties may get you quantity but it isn’t going to impress quality women or the opinion of other men. And it’s relative to your social/geographic circle. What’s alpha in D.C. or NYC is not the same as the sticks or overseas or in school.
Tinder,Gig;
What about a professional woman, (computer science) upper middle-class, nice-looking, divorced, cigarette smoker, soccer-mom type, with a small butterfly tat on her rear shoulder that is (partially) covered by her bra-strap?
Oh, and what about a youngish homely heffer with two tats, one on each upper arm, that are only visible when wearing short sleeves?
Say, a big mermaid starting close to her as.shole and appearing out of her pants is bad, really bad.
in what way is nearly guaranteed first date anal bad?
@ Ovid
My PhD is in tattoes only. Butterflies are cool, it is small and far from her panties. The tatto part is fine
@itsme
I was talking about marriage material. But you are right
There is no shame in standing up for yourself and apologizing for a mistake you made. I am sick to death of weasel apologies along the lines of ” I’m sorry if anyone took offense etc ” NO-You apologize like a man who has honor and integrity-those are alpha traits that still have meaning and value
Civilization itself is the ultimate shit test.
Somewhat unrelated thought:
The next time you watch a zombie flick, think of the zombies as average frustrated beta males desperate for pussy (despite a few exceptions, vast majority of zombies are male).
Think about this the next time you meet a chick that enjoys zombie flicks. They are not uncommon. Is this what explains their attraction to these films? It metaphorically reflects the way an average woman who gets constantly hit on feels, and offers these women an escapist retaliation fantasy.
How about that?
The feminists have lost the battle of ideas and are trying to co-opt Roissy’s message by using the same terminology while twisting the meaning of the terms. What they call an alpha is not the same as what Roissy would call an alpha, but they try to conflate the two. This sneaky tactic shows how treacherous the fembots are.
The fact that Askmen published this nonsense shows that they are worse than useless, they are positively harmful. How many men, searching for answers, have been led astray by this feminist propaganda? Askmen should change their name to AskMangina or AskWhiteKnight.
The author, ‘XX’, is using the article to sell her book. No doubt she passed a few dollars to the editors of Askmen to get them to run this piece of crud. It should be labeled as an advertisement, but is not. Journalistic integrity takes another hit.
Holy crap, a chick that kinda gets it.
“Alphas reframe, evade or accuse nebulous third parties. ‘Mistakes were made.’”
Nearly the first thing here I’ve disagreed with. Maybe it comes with being Southern, but my dad and grand-dad taught me to suck it up and apologize when you fuck up. And don’t make the same mistake again. My experience suggests this won’t make you look like a pussy. On the contrary, if you can’t man up and take the hit when it’s your fault, real men despise you.
When I was a kid my old man and the guy who lived on the next street over, whose back yard abutted ours, had a dispute over the property line when we built a fence. After some chest-pounding on both sides, the deed showed my dad was right. The other guy quickly apologized and moved on.
It was a year or so later that our neighbor came to speak to our elementary school, where he talked about his experience as an Army Ranger scaling the cliffs at Pointe du Hoc in the invasion of France in WWII. My brother and I had no idea til then — he never talked about it. Whatever you might say about Mr. Williams, the dude was a real man and as alpha as they come. But when he made a mistake, he said he was sorry and moved on. That’s alpha behavior, not beta.
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Vivi: “I’m not prepared to take a pay cut and dumb myself down just to soothe a man’s ego.”
It’s not about men’s egoes. It’s about women’s egoes. Women are the ones who treat men with pay or IQ lower than theirs with disdain. Unless, of course, that man happens to be tall, have strong secondary masculine physical characteristics and a dominant personality.
@Riq
“Does anyone else have problems reading this site on the safari browser, on the iPad?”
Turn off the political correctness filter on the ipad, just don’t tell Steve.
“so much of female thinking is rationalizing away the unsettling truth of their sexual natures.”
Are their sexual natures really any more evil than ours?
@Superenigma
No, but men don’t rationalize their true nature unless they belong to some religious church or organized “ism” such as when they’re trying to be obsequious to feminists. A man’s nature is mostly not upsetting to himself.
Men don’t put up an ASD (anti slut defense) in dealing with the opposite sex, which is an irrational feeling that the other person (and the community) would consider you a slut and reject you if you do what the other person wants you to do and what you want to do yourself. The ASD, being irrational, must be “rationalized”. Men who read this blog learn how to “help the hamster rationalize” where “hamster” = hindbrain.
It was inaccurate for me to say that hamster = hindbrain. The treadmill the hamster is running on would probably represent the hindbrain.