The only thing gayer than inking John Elway’s face inches from his nads would be tattooing a giant, erect prick up his leg. Preferably black.
The display of male superstars’ names in the form of tattoos or jerseys is something that has always perplexed me. As a man, it makes no sense to advertise a much higher status man on your body like a billboard. It screams beta, if not omega. And yet, go to any sports event and you’ll see lots of jock-y meatheads, tough guys and douchebags doing just that. Don’t they realize how lame it looks to women, to boost the competition? The only explanation is that the dudes who do this have no clue how women think.
I suppose there is some evolutionary-based reason for it. Perhaps in the EEA, associating yourself with an alpha male would increase the chance that he would drop some of his sloppy seconds in your lap. But that is not the case today. Sucking the titular cocks of sports stars or rock stars is nothing short of slavish worship, and worshipping another man is the hallmark of the beta mentality.
Wearing the jersey — let alone tattooing his mug on your leg — of some millionaire athlete with a harem of hotties you could only dream of banging is analogous to the cuckold fetishist who sits in a corner feebly stroking it with a pair of tweezers while some grossly overhung studhorse jackhammers his wife into multiple Os. Think about that the next time you’re tempted to feel pride wearing Jeter’s shirt over your manboobs. You may as well be tucking your junk and licking his balls to a polished shine.
I thought I was the only person that thought this way, and I love sports.
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Hero worship (especially of an athlete with few actual accomplishments outside sports) shows the decline of our times.
Used to be, heros were famous warriors, or intellectual leaders.
Now its some dood who throws a football like, wicked faahr, dood and he pounds Vaj!
My advice: if you’re going to idolize someone – its good if they get laid, but anyone with the status of even a B or C level celebrity gets laid like crazy – Pick someone worth modeling, someone who contributes value to society beyond the fairly commonplace, boring and ultimately meaningless activities of football and sex.
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Not true. The woman of Athens and Rome were bedding Olympic champions and gladiators, not Aristotle and Socrates. If it were true that it used to be manly to be intellectual, then there would be so many intellectuals that we couldn’t possibly memorize their names.
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not all the way true, gladiators were not exactly the average guy in rome, and many gladiators were ex-military either in rome or from colonies, and the same is true for olympains, both events had military/warrior impplication. Olympians and also gladiators werely definitely smarter and more intelligent than the average guy in their times due to their background and exposure to higher hobbies and many different facets of life in their times. In fact, being an intellectual was supposed to be a man’s function, only done by men of higher status who got their status by actually doing the dirty job by standing on a battle line. In todays world men are a lot more specialised then they were even a 100 years ago, since we have lots of time and many recreational things like xboxes to play with rather than doing only a few things our entire life and playing games with swords, spears and arrows.
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Nailed it. Same is true of posters of rockstars on your wall
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I suppose people want to identify with winners and tribes. Wearing a jersey makes them feel like part of a tribe. They feel that some of the goodwill that’s associated with that particular tribe will rub off on them.
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Gotta support the team!
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Too far sometimes…
“How I met Tim Tebow and became just another Gator Cuckold,” by Jai Eugene, Losers with Socks, 26 Jun 2007
http://loserswithsocks.com/2007/06/26/how-i-met-tim-tebow-and-became-just-another-gator-cuckold/
“I then let him have sex with my wife and he made me pay for his burger.” (Hopefully, he was kidding.)
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Yes, doing this totally kicks in our hypergamous instinct. I remember my mom once saying she didn’t understand why grown men wanted to wear other men’s jerseys.
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Your mom answered her own question as many grown men are sadly neither grown nor men
There are a few men I idolize such as Porfirio Rubirosa or Richard Feynman or Picasso or Django Reinhardt but i study their work and their lives and use a few of their methods for success which largely involve some combination of hard work and clear thinking
The only tats i have are my family coat of arms and a book of kells tribal and SPQR on my left shoulder
There are a few piercings also but none of the above are visible when i wear either my brooks bros suits or a golf shirt and shorts
Your mom is quite correct grown men make their own way and know themselves well
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I make the only exception with my hat (name of my team). Don’t do jerseys. T’s — nice blank, I’m purdy enuff to look at, no need for distractions of any kind. Also, no tattoos (bare one dot on my palm that I acquired by an accident. No piercing. I’ve substitute scars acquired throughout my 7 dangerous lives (2 more to go).
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Where EXACTLY are your scars? ( eyebrows moving up and down) lol!
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Here and there (mostly legs, but some in other parts). What, you wanna examine them?
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hahaha!! you know I could say something to that, but careful..we’ve been warned! Remember???? Don’t start lol!!
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I seriously doubt that a guy is giving up too many points for this kind of behavior.
1. The “star” isn’t really competition unless he is in your social circle. It’s all a big fantasy and everyone knows it.
2. The tatt goes a couple of steps further, but even then most people are going to assume it’s your dead uncle.
Just to be clear I don’t care much for team sports and I wouldn’t be caught dead doing something like this myself. I agree with the premise but I’m not convinced that it’s much of a handicap, if any. My guess is that most guys who do this stuff probably get as much or more pussy than the average guy.
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Tatts attract skanky femmes.You can have them if you like.
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In American cities and their suburbs, the best looking young women do believe they can meet and date these athletes who specifically schedule team parties at local upscale pubs in order to meet their more upscale female fans.
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Jocks are a turn off. Never was attracted to them. Too much brawn not enough brains. ha!
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I like men who like sports, but I prefer when they enjoy the sport as a whole rather than are excessively devoted to one team. They tend to understand sports better too.
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People ask me If I am a “fan” of this team or that…and I say, no, but I like baseball, football, soccer as athletic events. I appreciate skill and beauty. I bet I’d appreciate you…and perhaps you, me.
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mmmm that’s kinda nice…
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perhaps they are not spending every second of the day worrying about what chicks like while pretending they are not?
[Heartiste: The man who doesn’t worry about what chicks like is either gay or dead.]
that said, i’ve never understood the whole sports jersey thing. i can see it on pre-pubescent boys, but it has always bothered me on grown men. tattoos in general are douchy trendy as it is, but this Elway leg tattoo is unbelievable. leg tattoos in general are the “i want a tattoo but not really” tattoos.
[The only kind of acceptable tattoo for the aspiring alpha male is a timeless piece that won’t be embarrassing a few years down the road. Something like a family coat of arms or a map of a place he’s visited. Never, and I mean never, get a tattoo of a GF or wife’s name or face. I don’t care how deep the love is. You’re tempting fate.]
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Heartiste – Did you watch Married With Children? They had a whole episode about the GF name tattoo thing.
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“[Heartiste: The man who doesn’t worry about what chicks like is either gay or dead.]”
that’s a stylish and hip attitude if you are 25. if you are in your thirties or older it is laughable. it’s a popculture attitude, “dude, i’m more inot pussy than anybody maaaaan!” please. all while pushing “you get chicks if you don’t give a fuck” while actually they are the center of one’s world and validation comes from them. i don’t know your blog well so this many not apply to you. but that is what this comment connotes; popculture approved “baaaaad” attitude. apologies if it doesn’t apply to you.
as far as tatts; they are also a popculture meme. plain and simple. but especially the GF or wife! we are in total agreement Heartiste, never those especially.
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Add the Olympic rings to that tat list, as it is custom for stud athletes to get them after making a US Olympic team.
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Dude’s a fag. That is all.
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Yup, loser!
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It’s like a totem animal thing. Like getting a wolf tattooed on your chest or some dumb shit. Think of it that way, and it makes more sense.
Getting a wolf tattooed on your chest is still fucking stupid though. And you’re a prole either way.
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“worshipping another man is the hallmark of the beta mentality”
Exactly!
What about a woman worshipping another woman?
[Heartiste: Irrelevant. Maybe helpful depending on how she worships. A plain jane who worships a hot chick and strives to mimic her fashion and exercise sense would be doing herself some good.]
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Lesbobo,
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That’s a period, not comma.
H, admiration is not a worship. When a worship, recurse to the parent post.
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Worshiping another woman has nothing to do with sexual attraction towards her … probably.
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Women don’t worship other women nearly as frequently as men worship other men. I think the post hit on the reason: men’s survival instincts tell them to worship the king, that is if they don’t view themselves as the king. Women never got much survival benefit from worshiping the queen. Nor did women get much benefit from fealty to the king other than opening their legs for him.
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Men worship the king?
The default pattern is to follow the pecking order, men are aware of it and accept it. Worship has been often desired by kings or emperors, but that does not mean they got it automatically. And since christian era, worship of kings would be not regarded with understanding from churchian fathers. Admiration/deference/high regard/respect, all fine.
There has been a revival of the worship idea in the first half of the 20th century.The “dear leaders” came into fashion. There was a big thermometer in one of the Prague high schools with a sign “Thermometer of our love for J.V. Stalin”. In winter, it had to be helped up by a heater.
But there was no preponderance of men enthralled by dear leaders. It was more the women that worshiped the uberalpha. If you consider the figures from SU gulags, the men comprised the great majority of prisoners. Women were maybe one tenth. Which tells you that it’s the men that are unwilling to impart unconditional deference if they feel it’s not justified. Thus it is men that are instrumental in a change of the order.
Being from behind the Iron Curtain myself, I can provide anecdotal evidence myself. The women were the most devoted “subjects”, as I remember it.
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I prefer girls who don’t show their bodies or skin, wear feminine clothes, try to be healthy and natural.
I especially don’t like the style of girls who wear too much make-up, but the worst thing possible is boob job. I don’t like anything artificial (though very rarely artificial nails or lashes do look good) and I really believe it’s best to learn to respect your DNA the way it is. Carmen and Pam are very unfeminine in my opinion – trying too hard to look sexy is desperate and not feminine at all.
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This was a reply to Neecy’s post …
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Hey Maya,
I think my point as that women have different ideals of beauty and whatever that is, we will try to emulate that. Its fine if you don’t like the kind of beauty I like, I wasn’t looking for agreement there. Just that women will tend to emulate those women who they find most beautiful to them.
BTW, when I speak of the beauty of Pam and Carmen, regardless of their actoins, they were still very physically beautiful in my eyes. That’s the point….
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Oh, okay, I’m sorry for this bitchy reply. I agree that Pam and Carmen were beautiful, but why destroy the natural beauty with fake boobs?
That is what I don’t get …
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Maya,
Its cool most people give me the side eye when I tell them who i think are beautiful – lol most everyone gives me the same response you did so I am used to it. but I like what i like and I am confident within myself that I don’t have to act like them to admire their facial/physical beauty.
I do find most of the women who dress modestly and act like good girls are talking down about women who look and dress like pam and Carmen. Ironically, these “modest” looking/acting girls are some of the biggest undercover skanks. I Knew plenty of them but they got away with it b/c they looked the good girl part.
I do agree with the ridiculousness of the boobs though. Pam’s were ridiculous. But that is not what made them beautiful to me so I didn’t really pay attention.
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Neecy,
“Ironically, these “modest” looking/acting girls are some of the biggest undercover skanks. I Knew plenty of them but they got away with it b/c they looked the good girl part.”
Exactly. A girl very dear to me is exactly like that. She’s super sweet and feminine but she’s still a slut. It’s hard to understand. She could have a good guy (guys are putting her on a pedestal because of her angelic and innocent beauty), but no, she rather sleeps around to prove how emancipated and cool girl she is. :S She’s so confused and unhappy in her heart.
I also had a chance to observe one other very sweet, beautiful, modest girl showing her painfully slutty behaviour. I imagined that guys watching this were either traumatized (like ‘if THIS girl is such a slut, others must be even worse’) or they really started to despise her …
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Nah. Women worship women far more than men worship men. Women are social animals and continually try to emulate higher status females with worship, especially beautiful celebs. See Katy Perry, all fashion models, women from sex and the city.
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This is very true. I just don’t see or think the average man scours the internet looking at pics of male celebs to try to copy their look.
However, Every woman has a particular style/look that she identifies as admirable beauty and wants to seek for herself if its somewhat attainable.
I cannot tell a lie – I have to reluctantly admit (especially at my age) I typically find women who look more girl next door/skanky beautiful (think Playboy models) as most attractive. LOL So when I go scouring the net I tend to look at celebs in the Carmen Electra (she’s my fav absolutely stunning in her hey day) & Pamela Anderson (early years of course) range for ideas on make-up, hair and clothes. It’s not that I would ever look like them, but I like that “look” for myself.
This is how women determine how they dress and look daily – by looking at and emulating women who fit their personal beauty ideals.
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Thats a weird combination, girl next door and Carmen/Pam… Those would be rather like polar opposites to me.
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If you want a girl next door celeb, I would probably nominate Natalie Portmann and Scarlett Johansson (at least in Lost in Translation, after that is was down hill, quickly)
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Nupi,
No i don’t like the way Natalie Portman and Scarlett Johansson look. They have a boring plain Jane kind of beauty to me. Nothing stands out to me. i am not saying they are not attractive, but i don’t think ‘i wanna look like her’ when i see them.
Honestly, there are very few female celebs today that I look at and think are stunningly beautiful that i want to emulate. It seems many women in showbiz today have a hardened masculine unfeminine look. The only ones I can think of who I think are absolutely adorable (b/c she looks like a young Pam Anderson ) is Hayden Pantierrie and a Black girl named Katerina Graham (oddly she and Hayden look alike to me) . They are sooooo pretty but not in a boring way.
I find myself having to look at Playboy models and past beauties like Carmen and Pam for ideas b/c I feel they had a very feminine sexy girl next door non boring look to them.
It seems the 90’s produced the most beautiful celeb women that I admire. Even the supermodels like Cindy Crawford, Naomi Campbell and Claudia Schaffer in the early 90’s were beauties b/c of the way they wore make up and clothes. It was just very feminine.
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Are you people insane? Nat Portman the spinner and her weird ears is not in the same league with the huge natural beauty of Scarlett (not my type though, huge tits look slutty to me). Plain Jane? Jane wishes. For a girl-next-door look I’d think more along the lines of Jennifer Aniston. Her, I might give the time of day if I weren’t otherwise occupied.
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Schmoe,
Yes Scarlette is a lot less plain looking than Natalie. I guess I am just saying that Scarlette nor Natalie is the type of woman that I think is stunning in the sense I desire to look like them. I actually think Natalie looks better than ScarJo. *shrugs*
I’m not a man so i guess it doesn’t matter. But Jennifer Aniston is too masculine looking. She represnts the average masculinesque female celebs today that just make me scratch my head. She is no girl next door to me. She comes off as bitchy, entitled and unfeminine (although she has kept her body in very good condition for her age).
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EXACTLY. I am strictly dickly. But When I see a beautiful woman who fits the style/beauty I like for myself I am not looking at her lustfully. i am looking at her b/c i admire her beauty and want to steal some of what she does physically to make herself attractive for myself. Sometimes its a shoe style, her clothes, her hair color or her make up.
I have no problem admitting I do look at photos of my fav female celebs and/or women I find most attractive to steal bits and pieces of what they do make up wise, hair wise, and clothes wise. Moreso now b/c as a women is trying to gain her attractiveness back, she needs a canvas and examples to achieve her look that she likes.
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“perhaps they are not spending every second of the day worrying about what chicks like while pretending they are not?”
I suppose you have much more pressing matters to attend to.
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in fact i do. many. as one matures and gets older one usually does. i imagine you have few to no pressing matters?
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Having sex is pretty core to being a man. When I was young my self esteem was quite low. I didn’t think much of myself. I sucked at getting jobs done, and didn’t work hard. Every time I got another level up in the sex department (kisses to breast feeling to girl trying to hump me fingering to sex to anal) my self esteem skyrocketed and I became better at everything else in my life.
Sex lets you sleep easily at night. It helps you with work. It helped me lose weight. You should spend a lot of time making sure you get it good and regularly.
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This could not be more true and i believe your comment also highlights the importance of game
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Same goes for movie stars and all celebrities. I was once talking a little bit too passionately about jack bauer with a solid 8. She started displaying some subtle IODs, and i changed the subject without giving it much thought.
Being a fanboy is beta, thanks for making it crystal clear.
[Heartiste: Right, fanboyism is the tingle killer. It’s certainly OK to *admire* successful men, but do so in quiet, where your introspection will lead to adopting the traits and mannerisms of the successful man.]
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Bingo. X gets the square (referring to the editor’s reply).
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Hey, maybe you could offer some analysis on chicks who dig sports. I find chicks who are real fans to be annoying as shit. But I dig a chick who will play along and feign interest in a game, maybe learn a few of the players names. I think if a chick digs you some of your interest in a sport should rub off on her, but not to the extent where she’s watching a game when you’re not around.
Girls who get passionate about their college football team I steer clear of. How would you define those girls? Usually politically conservative in a mainstream way, often hot, but typically don’t stray far from their alumni circle. Or is it just because I live in the Southwest I see so many of these types?
[Heartiste: Chicks who are real sports fans have a part of their brain masculinized from some likely exogenous factor, such as womb testosterone. Chicks who “play along” are fun to hang out with, because their try-hard fangirl pose is cute. You know she aims to please, and that may carry over into the bedroom. A girl who is really into you will mold herself to pretend to enjoy whatever hobby you practice, so the cute pose is not limited to sportsdom. I’ve had girls fake an interest in all sorts of musky, man-centric hobbies because they wanted to impress me. And they want to build a connection, however forced.
College football girl fans are all over the place, so I wouldn’t say you could categorize them very well. Most of them just go to the games to strut and drink, and maybe a few think they’re hot enough to score a one night stand with a player. As for conservatism, while a rightie chick would be a pleasant surprise, the conservative babes who religiously follow college sports are a turn-off. Who wants to risk marrying some goody-two-shoes god-fearing suburban blonde ditz who will grow up one day to invite a big black homeless guy into your house and groom him for the state championship?]
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I am not much of a sports fan (scratch that any sports fan) unless I am playing it but that was a good article. Thanks.
RE;; Not caring what women think, I do slightly disagree there. Some perfectly heterosexual men either dislike women and avoid them or don’t have interest in having sex with them . In either case the opinion of women has no real baring.
Of course they won’t be here but thats another deal entire.
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Heresy. What’s next? You’re saying hot chicks don’t like FOOTBALL? No way. Bros broeying it up, baseball caps, football jerseys, drinking beer, yelling about some obscure touchdown ruling? How about bros playing football on their Nintendo something-something on a giant plasma screen?
You know that’s so hot. Some tribal tattoos, big pickup truck / Honda with giant exhaust, playing some gangsta rap, it’s what the bitches WANT, yo.
Funny. Reading these blogs, you, Roosh, anybody with half a brain, analyzing and bitching about women … while some of it is universally true, American women are the puzzle piece to match this sort of level of intelligence. Dumb blondes discussing whether to get fake boobs, while hanging out at a bar in flip-flops. Getting hit on by broo-man-cho. It’s Muuhrkah!
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Think about that the next time you’re tempted to feel pride wearing Jeter’s shirt over your manboobs.
LMFAO.
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I’m a little confused. While worshipping another man is beta, is it beta to root for a team that you follow? When watching my favorite football team, whether at home, or in a bar, or at a friend’s place, or at the event itself, I absolutely take pride in my fandom and wear the logo of my team. (I think it’s important to note that I’m a west coast fan living on the east coast, so my colors are decidedly NOT the same as those around me–and they ALWAYS draw the ire of opposing fans). I honestly don’t care who’s number it is, and I own a number of generic (no numbers on the front, no names on the back) jerseys and t-shirts. I like my teams and I get in the face of those who shit-talk them.
I’m just saying…there’s a big difference between worshipping another man and enjoying the spectacle of watching your home team play. And no, I wouldn’t get it tattooed on me. That’s part of wearing a jersey…when the game is over, you take it off.
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I think the question I have for you is….if you have so much time and the ability to ‘get in the face of those who shit-talk them’ for sports….
Why can’t you channel all those emotions into something that actually matters?
I miss the days when men could get in the face of those who shit-talk them in real life and not in ‘imaginary sports world’
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i dig your point about channeling energy properly, into something that really matters…getting riled up for what amounts to no reason at all is unwise and try-hard, so i concede that.
as for the bygone days, i guess that would very well be a better world
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“While worshipping another man is beta, is it beta to root for a team that you follow?”
To the degree that a lot of fans do? Absolutely. You can’t do what they do, so you live vicariously through their success. Therefore, beta.
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but here i am not convinced. i’m not sold on your idea that this is a matter of degrees…one could make the argument that the true alpha would eschew anything even close to living vicariously through another. ie: watching a movie or reading a book about any protagonist you even remotely identify with. or wanting your child to achieve success in a way that you couldn’t or never did. i guess my question to you is–to what degree IS it alpha to be a fan of anything at all? An alpha is typically passionate and has developed his tastes, but is he ever a true fan?
hasn’t this blog also touched upon the point that alphas-in-training would do well to seek out mentors and examples of those who are at a superior level than them? and wouldn’t the athletic field–and now i mean being a true fan of the endeavor of sports, which is the closest we have to play-war–provide many examples of those unmistakeable alpha traits we could all do better to internalize?
just saying…i’m not sold on the assertion that being a sports fan necessitates beta.
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I like sports cuz of the camaraderie. There was this awesome video from Scandinavia and all these guys were jumping up and down in a sports stadium at the same time. It was awesome!
To have all those men united in a display of raw male power—-is such a turn on.
But in America Men Are United Around Sports…
Because they aren’t allowed to be united around anything else….
That’s so not cool. And what’s more not cool…Is most of them don’t realize it.
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In fact, a display like I saw wouldn’t even be allowed in the US. The militaristic undertones were pretty obvious.
Sports should be a form of military training. That’s not what we have in the US.
P.S- It is no coincidence that the men I saw are in one of the countries that is resisting the diversity cult.
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I’m not a sports fan except for enjoying NFL football but last year when hockey’s Capitals were in the playoffs I was tempted to get an Ovechkin jersey, with the name in cyrillic. Chalk it up to SWPL love of exotic culture artifacts…
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FUCK YOU!
you tellin me my GBFM FIAT COCKA PLAYA tattoo is going to negatively affect my smv??
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Yes, unless you’re GBFM or somebody else other folk would tatoo on themselves. If it ain’t your own name you’re tatooing on yourself, just stick with a flaming skull with a knife through it or something equally ballzy to have permanently etched on yourself.
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“I was tempted to get an Ovechkin jersey”
Get one for your son. It’s totally normal for boys to wear sports jersey of specific players. My sons wear them.
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or you pick a guy on the team worth emulating, like mike knuble. or better yet, pick a real team!
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Exactly!! Grow up and be your own hero (or at least be smart enough not to broadcast your betaness.)
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Damn straight. If you’re copying someone else, you’re (visibly) not the leader.
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The gentleman pictured is part of a larger community I call Jocksniffs. Their devotion to pro athletes borders on obsession. If one is consumed by the athletic endeavors of others; then by all means do what Harry Caray, Bob Costas or Howard Cosell did and become a great sports announcer or sports journalist. Rumor has it Caray did rather well with the ladies despite his eyeglasses, gravely voice and slurred speech.
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hilarious! jocksniffs
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Caray was a notorious pussy pounder. One rumor has it that he lost the St. Louis cardinals announcing job because he was banging the wife of Augie Busch.
Imagine the scene….”Holy Cow! This cock’s for you…”
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Heartiste: The man who doesn’t worry about what chicks like is either gay or dead.]
lol!!!
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I don’t “worry what chicks like.” What chicks like is superficial and inconsequential and annoyingly naive about the hard truths of the world. They pursue their romantic phantoms and wind up with the complete opposite of their supposed desires (“I just don’t understand why she goes back to that asshole!”).
I am interested in what I like, and women tend to conform to it. Works for me. I’m neither gay nor dead.
We are consumer-minded in the West, we assume polls and preferences are king. In truth, instinct rules us (particularly in the modern absence of shame, discipline, and training), and our instincts-run-amok create outcomes that we retrofit into “preferences.” “I must have wanted that brand of toothpaste all along.” “If you can’t be with the one you love, love the one you’re with” becomes “He’s my soulmate!” — a wish made real by repetition.
Most have no preferences or opinions worth a damn. But we loudly claim the right to shout them and follow them. So we get news reports about what “people on the street” think about the debt limit triggers, and we all pretend to respect “I think they should stop fighting in Washington” as the valid rough-hewn wisdom of Joe Sixpack, when really he’s just saying, “Huh?”
The same with female preference. They do not know what they do not know. But entitlement princesses passionately believe they are entitled to know and — poof! — their opinion becomes the functional equivalent of “knowledge” to be somberly respected. Now here I come calling bullshit on the whole rigged affair, and yes, there is friction at first — the pain of pretty lie perishing — but the result is quiet relief. “I don’t have to pretend to think anymore! I can just do what I do best — be cute.”
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This post is for the books.
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indeed.
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Are you joining in their ironic ridicule by posting this, or are you doubling down on irony? It’s not clear.
That’s the problem with weaselly satire. It makes assumptions (women are generally equally equipped in every way like men) then flees from a critique of those assumptions by hiding behind irony. I call shenanigans, and they knowingly laugh amongst each other, pretending my dismissal of their assumption is unimpeachable evidence of my “not getting the joke.” Sarcasm is weakness, cowardice. State your position plainly. I did, and I can support it. Stop equivocating like a pussy.
The uproarious laugh track makes my heart sick. Like Germans straining to out-do each other in the enthusiasm of their Heil!
The ridiculed thesis is actually true, and if your only response to truth is the frenzied laughter of denial, then you’re in the tank and have no idea you’re even drowning. The absurdities we are used to so far outpace deliberate satire that parody has become impossible. And what passes for parody is actually just one more instance of propaganda. Someone posting a video like that on a blog like this should include a disclaimer — so we know whether you’ve swallowed the red or blue pill.
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very, very good comment King A. you have surpassed them.
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”
I don’t “worry what chicks like.” What chicks like is superficial and inconsequential and annoyingly naive about the hard truths of the world. They pursue their romantic phantoms and wind up with the complete opposite of their supposed desires (“I just don’t understand why she goes back to that asshole!”).
I am interested in what I like, and women tend to conform to it. Works for me. I’m neither gay nor dead.
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Game Set Snatch.
[Heartiste: What men like is a proxy for signaling traits that are attractive to women. Or: If what you like actively turns off women and leaves you a celibate loner, you’ll quickly change your habits of mind and body, or you’ll drop out unloved and unsexed. It’s a similar pinched mentality to women who claim that they dress sexily and wear make-up because it makes them feel good about themselves. Sure, it does that, but, hey!, not so coincidentally it also makes them more attractive to men.]
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Like old time Roissy style.
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Nothing says dumbass fuckhead like any tat. Only fucking morons needle themselves. Now if you get a scar from telling that to a guy twice your size with a battleship on his mooby chest, you have a real souvenir signed by your balls. Do something besides turning yourself into a doodle rag.
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you can fuck right off with that. i’ve got a couple of badass tats but you would never know unless I wanted you to. got them long before it became a wider trend.
like it or not, inked up guys almost effortlessly pull hot tail. sounds like you have a problem with that.
not arguing that 90% of tatted up bros don’t look like complete douches though.
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There is nothing “badass” about tats unless it is your prisoner identification number. Or kill count.
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Oh, you got them before they were popular? That’s cool then.
Stupid tats plus stupid psudo hipster attitude. Winning combo. The worst of prole and SWPL put together.
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Is it okay to wear a Led Zeppelin Tee? It’s the classic United States 1977 tour one with the falling angel.
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did you buy it at Hott Topic last year?
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Nope, I got it from this guy at St. Marks. He runs a small store that you can barely move around in.
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Amen. I had this conversation with a co-worker a few months ago. My point was that wearing another man’s name as part of your public identity after puberty is a “violation.” (Don’t women take a man’s name as an indication of their physical submission to him?) He insisted that it was totally legitimate to wear his Troy Polamalu jersey into his thirties. My point to him was that if he ever met Polamalu while wearinghis jersey, the interaction would be strange, if not a tacit invitation for Polamalu to “top” him. Just imagine how you would feel if you met an out of shape stranger who publicly displayed his worshipful admiration for your physical ability – I doubt you would think very much of him or view him as your peer.
To the extent that you need to wear a jersey, I say generic (no identifiable name or number associated with a popular current player) or a throwback of a dead or well-retired player whose physical prowess is long behind him. In the latter circumstance it’s more like tribal ancestor worship which isn’t emasculating.
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“To the extent that you need to wear a jersey, I say generic (no identifiable name or number associated with a popular current player) or a throwback of a dead or well-retired player whose physical prowess is long behind him. In the latter circumstance it’s more like tribal ancestor worship which isn’t emasculating”
Staubach, Bradshaw, Starr, Mean Joe, Bubba Smith – (RIP)
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Except that women in their late teens will not remember Roger Staubach and, therefore, they will assume that the jersey wearer is worshipping a young athlete is in his prime. So, unless you’re only interested in attracting the kind of older woman who would recognize that this is an “ancestor”, don’t do it.
Yes, young women will verbally agree with this post. Just go outside and ask.
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Agree… Scarface ain’t said nothing about tatooing John Elway’s face on his thigh.
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Once again, Heartiste touches a sore spot, filling the comments with spittle-flecked beta rage.
Wearing another man’s name implies you are his property. There are few acts more submissive that don’t involve kneeling, boot licking or ankle grabbing.
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Once again, anonymous commenters overinterpret Heartiste’s overinterpretation … while assuming that those with a more casual understanding are ipso facto “beta.”
Being one of hundreds of millions of sports fans who don the emblems of their team does not “impl[y] you are [a man’s] property” in the slightest. There are “few acts more submissive” than wearing a Dr. J throwback? Don’t put a Yankees ballcap on your kid! Don’t you know that’s one step below prison rape?
Being attached to sports — the vicarious substitutions for gladiatorial combat — is more a sign of one’s immaturity than it is of his foppishness. We grow up with role models and mentors, and we seek to emulate them. Eventually we learn some skills on our own and have less desire to live and die with the accomplishments of others.
Gentlemen: every cultural phenomenon cannot be separated so cleanly into alpha and beta. And every phenomenon with which you cannot relate is not by definition “beta.” Check yourself.
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I’m a life long NBA fan but I haven’t put on a jersey since I was in the 8th grade.
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Express your individuality! Get a tattoo. Just like everyone else. LOL
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Heh.
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And, don’t forget… ask for and brag about a Chinese symbol for “special” that really means “retard”.
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Game game game on the brain. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Wearing a uniform, getting a tattoo, and displaying branded totems are religious identifiers with the local tribe, not the subconscious worship of manlier men. I admire men of all types who excel at fields of specialization in which I have no skill. Being hypersensitive to other men’s superiorities is an indication of a general lack of superiority in anything. I’m not an astronaut heart-surgeon olympic-gold-medalist blackbelt first-chair-violinist triathlete Chief Justice Bear Grylls, but I do appreciate those who have achieved what I have not. In fact, I relate to their categorical dominance, despite my not being skilled in their specific category. What can I say? I am content with who I am and what I have done.
You can be overzealous in your cultural loyalties just like you can be overzealous with your religion. It has little to do with your manliness vis-a-vis the weaker sex. Calling this weirdo tattoo-boy a “beta” is nonsensical. How is a stupid ink job evidence that he is a chump who puts women on a pedestal? Perhaps there is a connection between overzealous commitment to the fantasy of sports and a general instinct for vicariousness and substitution in life. But even that is not conclusive of his abject betatude when it comes to social circles. At worst it is a mere indicator of a tendency for supplication. At best … calling all that pain down on your body to mark oneself for life is an indicator of an elevated fortitude and manly commitment to the tribe.
Now, the positioning of the brand in the vicinity of the crotch? That’s something else.
Cheering along with a sports team is not the same as tattooing a man’s face next to your dick. That’s creepy and/or ill-thought out. Then again, how many tattoos aren’t?
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+1
well said: “…it has little to do with you manliness vis-a-vis the weaker sex.”
just not buying the BOTM designation
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“…elevated fortitude and manly commitment to the tribe.”
These phrases are as gay as an Oxbridge don.
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Close. More like Harvard:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/191618-1
I admit he comes off a little precious — the hazards of wearing tweed for forty years. Luckily, he knows his shit up and down and left and right … and then back up one side and down the other again.
The acid test is — would Naomi fuck Harvey after their hour-long rhetorical tussle? I think so. Especially considering the track record of rubbing her box up against the bookish alphas in whose orbit she made a career:
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/features/n_9932/
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Naomi Wolfe interview technique was like junior varsity debate champ.. she was really good because no one else at school cared..
She almost related every point he tried to make to her feelings about it ..
I would love a chance to have her interview me..I’d demolish her ..and every assertion she attempted to make ..and do it all with honey..She is a lightweight intellectually..
First I’d have asked her ..do you want to understand what Im trying to say..and to see if it is valid..from experience?? And then proceed from there..if she said yes..I keep her focused ..and build it …if she said no ..interview over
He came off unprepared ..She did not want to listen
Krishnamurti used to beg his listeners ..please first try to understand what Im saying..then agree or disagree ..he was bad ass
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Hmm so the Led Zeppelin tee counts as tribal ancestor worship, I have noticed how when I wear a Led Zeppelin tee, I get comments from many people, even strangers. It counts for social proof.
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“Beta?”
This fool is a pinnacle alpha of the mentally ill.
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In Australia, Tattoos have become much like a clitoris.
Every cunt has got one.
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love that line so much i’m stealing it.
thanks.
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Yes, but how will they be at 60, 75, 87, etc.? What we’ll have to look forward to in the nursing home.
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[The only kind of acceptable tattoo for the aspiring alpha male is a timeless piece that won’t be embarrassing a few years down the road. Something like a family coat of arms or a map of a place he’s visited. Never, and I mean never, get a tattoo of a GF or wife’s name or face. I don’t care how deep the love is. You’re tempting fate.] – Heartiste
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As well, tats often just absolutely REEK of Prole-dom.
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Cadnerd adequately summed up why women should lose the voting franchise.
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R, I have a tattoo of you on my left asscheek.
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Jeter’s shirt? My manboobs deserve nothing less than a 3 piece suit.
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“nothing less than a 3 piece suit”
YEAH BABY! Nothing like a man in a suit. Yummy!
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[…] (TAFKAR) wrote an interesting Beta of the Month piece about a guy who got John Elway’s horse-face tattooed on his left leg. The piece hit on some […]
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This is random but, just saw this clip and it reminded me of how to perfectly execute nuking a girl during a shit test. 2:00 and onwards
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what nonsense! i was in the Corps. it is nothing like people think it is.
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More like this… but it’s still Hollywood.
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The premise here is dead on and I would expand it to include brand names as well as bands. They are all attempts to obtain a bit of proxy status from a recognized name, as well as a form of hero worship. In the case of the brand names you are worshipping the ad campaigns or the image of the brand. In some cases that means you are worshipping male models.
If I saw three guys in a lineup wearing a Kobe jersey, a hipster band tee, and an Old Navy/Hollister/Hilfiger/A&F shirt with a huge brand logo, I wouldn’t be able to decide who was the biggest douche.
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Largely agree. Which is why I only tolerate very small logos (think original sized Polo embroidery, Lacoste Crocodile) – if any – on my clothes. I have to say that many of the more upscale brands actually do make better quality clothing so there is something to be said for paying a little more. But if you pay retail for that stuff, you clearly are an idiot.
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I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with upscale brands, I wear plenty of them myself. But the finer the clothing, the less conspicuous the label will be. Brands like Hilfiger and Armani Exchange that slap their logo all over everything cater to downmarket wannabes, and I don’t consider them to be upscale brands at all.
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totally agree. i used to work at a big college gym and it never ceased to amaze me how dudes would pay to be walking billboards for big, mainstream brands, ranging from athletic wear to nutrition supplements.
I’ve seen this trend at most gyms I’ve been to, except high end country club fitness facilities.
but yeah, most guys are followers, beta etc. to me rocking a big logo you pay to buy is worse than wearing a name-stamped jersey. because in the real world, corporations pay billboard framers to advertise. these guys have that business model in the inverse. truly pathetic.
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Am i right to assume that the icon on each comment is an indicator of the IP address?
In this case, Nupi, Daniel Shays, Paul, Mr C, Anonymous… and so many others are the aliases of the same giant troll.
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I think it’s created by the e-mail address.
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it’s by email address.
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^^^ if you leave the email address blank, you end up with the icon that nupi, daniel shays, paul, etc. have. see?
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Yep. My bad.
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He’s also up at about 10,000 feet in the Rockies without a gun on his hip. He’s an ass with a camera and shaves his legs.
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Yeah, talk about cougae bait… 🙂
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“cougar bait” …damn, I still can’t type.
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“A great man is coming to my house for dinner. I don’t wish to please him. I wish that he should wish to please me.”
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
Don’t know if any of you have read “Self-Reliance”, but R. owes this dude a debt of gratitude. This guy knew what it meant to be an alpha. Not so much about women. At least not directly. It’s about an attitude. A strong man bows to no one. He thinks for himself. And he loudly and clearly speaks the truth as he sees it, regardless of what other people might think. As for women, as far as I’m concerned having that attitude is nintey percent of the battle. Here are a couple more:
“The man must be so much, that he must make all circumstances indifferent.”
“The picture waits for my verdict; it is not to command me, but I am to settle it’s claims to praise.”
“No law can be sacred to me but that of my nature.Good and bad are but names very readily transferable to that or this; the only right is what is after my constitution. the only wrong what is against it. A man is to carry himself in the presence of all opposittion, as if everything were titular and ephemeral but he.”
and finally,
“Whoso would be a man must be a nonconformist. He who would gather immortal palms must not be hindered by the name of goodness, but must explore if it be goodness. Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind.”
I’m sorry this post is a little off topic, but for some reason the idea of wearing around another dude’s name on your back made me think of Emerson and what he would make of that…
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Travis you swerved into the #1 reason (IMO) why most men don’t feel like they can become true alpha males – they don’t own themselves.
They work for someone else, and their entire livelihood exists and is sustained at the whim of the boss (another man or, God forbid, a woman). Men have surrendered their creativity, imagination and uniqueness – the very things that truly separate them from the masses – to someone else. And although he can quit and work elsewhere (if he possesses a demanded skill and the courage to tell the boss to kiss his ass), he just migrates from one man’s box to another.
As a former employee turned business owner, I can’t tolerate someone telling me what to do (where if I don’t do it, I don’t get paid) for very long. I’ve worked nights at freaking Wal-Mart to fund my business in its inception, and even over that short duration it was very difficult to make my own moves and decisions during the day and take orders from the boss men at night. It fueled my desire to do whatever it takes to own myself again, so i sucked it up and did my job damn well. And besides, just logically speaking, it’s better to have 100 customers paying me a little than one man paying me a lot. I can tell 20% of my customers (the irrational head cases) to fuck off and it won’t crush me. Can’t do that in the other realm.
Long story short, I’ve met and been groomed by lots of mom and pop business owners and not a one of them wasn’t an ass-kicking, fire-pissing sonafabich when they had to be, but were otherwise generally nice well-mannered individuals. I mean not a single one. Beta traits don’t play well in a capitalist market where your rice bowl is threatened by increased completion, employees making stupid decisions, or any number of other things. Maintaining a successful business makes you hard, and you have little tolerance for bullshit, from customers, hot chicks, or whatever.
So I believe that having dominion over self is the essence of aphadom, and it’s difficult to make myself believe that I have full possession of my freedom to choose while simultaneously relying on a single boss for every dollar. The workaday man cannot make Emerson’s (or any other “politically incorrect” statements) and expect to keep his job for long.
When more men decide to own themselves (become entrepreneurs, traders, business owners), you’ll have a nuclear explosion of alpha males. And that’s good for everyone – people seeking jobs, a fat guvment seeking tax revenues, young men seeking models, women seeking men of unbendable will, and daughters looking for a few good men.
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Yeah – jerseys are really fucking lame. Nothing inappropriate about wearing a shirt with the name of your team though. If you go to a caps game, you just wear a red shirt with “Capitals” on the front.
But jerseys are totally lame – can’t believe how many dudes wear that lame ass shit.
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I had to google John Elway. Why is this beta? B/c its a famous football player right by his ballsack? Is Elway some sort of cocksman? I think it’s more weird and creepy than beta.
Sports are fairly boring to me. Live amateur hockey and World Cup soccer are the most entertaining, but I really don’t get the appeal. I’m glad husband only really watches finals games.
Ari, jerseys symbolize pedestalization of other (usually low IQ, ghetto, aggressive) men. Plus it shows their armpits. Yuck! They are terribly expensive too.
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Not related, but I thought about being a Skittles man and found this video:
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Thank you for NOT bringing back beta of the month as a regular feature.
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O/T but these links discuss the plight of would-be cougars as well as a report about the first milestone being reached in stopping college professors from friending with their students online with or without tenure (today it’s just high school teachers but tomorrow it will be university professors). The third link is related to the first two in a very obvious way:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2022102/Why-struggle-single-women-45-meet-soulmate.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/jul/10/online-dating-middle-aged-women
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43992926
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The only alpha jersey you could wear would be Deacon Jones’. It lets men and women know you’ll go up the side of their head.
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You probably read this bullshit:
http://jezebel.com/5825386/the-dating-paradigm-shifts-for-women-in-their-30s
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hamster power. it’s an infinite energy source.
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Gresham’s law applied to the sexual market place. The bargain interest rate is because of the short term status of the moan. Unfortunately at the end of the term, all they can lay is a buffoon.
The only thing that is tight is the reproductive window.
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Hugo Shwyzer, apparently one of the best reasons to cheer a California slide into the Pacific.
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Hahah! Laugh-riot! 🙂
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OK, I’ve got to stick up for the jersey wearers too.
A distant, now-elderly relative of mine played in the major leagues back in the ’50s and ’60s. I once spotted a much more recent jersey, game-worn by the guy who had that number on the same team in the mid-2000s, on eBay. I bought it and decided to wear it in practice for my amateur team. You’ve gotta wear *something* in practice; buy blow $200 on a mass-produced replica when you can have the real thing for half that price?
Whenever I wear that jersey in practice, I feel like — despite not being anywhere near the player he is (even now, and he’s 83 years old now) — I’m carryong on his legacy. When I wear it at a major league game, I feel like a part of that team’s community, but it’s the number on the back that means the most.
It’s a shout out to a past generation and a show of support for the team. And if I’m ever in dire financial straits, I can always sell it for what I paid for it. You think I care what some vapid woman thinks of it?
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I may be a devoted grand-nephew but I sure am a bad typist: that should be “why blow $200” up there, not “buy blow $200”, and “carrying”, not “carryong”.
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Alpha marriage proposal:
http://icantseeyou.typepad.com/my_weblog/2011/07/crazy-marriage-proposal.html
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lozozlzzozlzl what would be cool would be a life sized tatootatao of ben bernamnnkennkes butt on your butt lzozzozoz
that would b e cococlcl and very alpha zlzozzo
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He’s in the closet. Men who develop this level of infatuation with another man are using the masculinity of sports to cover the homosexual desires they feel ashamed to admit.
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Absolutely correct. In fact, multiple studies have shown that most male football fans are closet homosexuals who enjoy staring at the players’ asses.
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Exactly correct. Most male football fans are closet homosexuals who enjoy staring at the players’ asses.
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Exactly exactly correct. Most female baskettball fans are closet homosexuals who enjoy staring at the players’ asses.
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Profoundly, gloriously correct. In fact, 92.1% of male football fans fantasize about intercourse with the quarterback of their team 2.1 times per day, on average.
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Supercalifragilisticexpialidociously correct. In fact 100% of heartiste fans believe you.
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Still, that can’t top your posts
– which have been 100 PERCENT
about fudgepacking.
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you reason like a feminist. (see for EG, slutwalk participants psychoanalyzing the cop who gave the infamous helpful suggestion)
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you reason like a womens studies phd
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I remember mentioning that wearing sports jersey was inherently beta on the blog (NTTAWWT) and a some replier got really upset. You are basically identifying the pack alpha, it’s no big deal, because all bets would be off in real life if you and your sweetie actually met Brett Favre or Tom Brady. I guess the moral is is that we should restrain our fandom from creeping into emasculating worship. But what’s worse would be putting your girl in one of those sexy fitted pink jerseys with some dudes name on it. On one hand, it is the playing along thing, but on the other hand, you know.
I am surprised noone has posted the relevant scene from Semi-Pro.
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Dude appears to be hairless. Either he shaves his body or he’s extremely low-T.
Apologies if someone pointed that out already, but I couldn’t be bothered to slog through the morass of female-written comments that this post, and most recent posts, generated.
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I know some men that seem high T to me that aren’t very hairy.
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Wonder what the lady would say upon removal of his trousers for sexy time. Then again, he probably does not find himself in such a situation much.
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In other news, rape is about sex and porn is beneficial:
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/streams-of-consciousness/2011/08/03/porn-on-the-mind/
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60 percent of females surf porn on the internet?! That can’t be true. What kind of porn would women like to watch?!
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Orlando Bloom
Shopping for
Miranda Kerr
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:))) That’s better. But it’s not called ‘porn’.
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Ok then, make that
Orlando Bloom
showing YOU
..his wallet
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Uuuh. Maya, lots of women view porn. personally I think its disgusting but you can find normal couples having regular sex without all the crazy stuff most porn is today. But during my cycle when i am at my horniest I have a craving to view it (and I do) . then after that, I don’t touch it until the following month. Its weird.
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Really? I can’t imagine watching porn myself … I can only watch this romantic Asian gay porn. Or girls. Ordinary porn is disgusting, in my opinion.
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Ordinary porn is very disgusting and demeaning towards women. If it were just people having normal sex like the avergae person it wouldn’t be so bad. But you have to sift through a lot of nasty disgusting crazy garbage before seeing some decent normal couple having sex. Half the time I am sitting in utter disbelief at some of the shit these people are doing. I’m like “Am i supposed to be turned on by this???” Just show me some REGULAR male/female sex action and I am good. But its a lot of sifting through many free clips before finding the ones you like. lol
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Yes, male sexuality is icky, isn’t it? Lawsy lawsy, get you some smelling salts! You’re such a fragile innocent flower. Your fantasy normal sex = two minutes of once a month lights-out missionary with John Elway after he buys you a piece of diamond jewelry. Gtfo
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WHAT? I’m sorry but I’m not sure why I am supposed to be turned on from seeing some woman put a males genetalia that has been in her booty inside her mouth. the first thing that comes to mind is “OMG what kind of bacteria will she be harboring around in her mouth, throat and esophagus after that” not “ooh that makes me hot”. I also am not turned on by seeing semen on a woman’s face. I want to see NORMAL male and female penetrational sexual intercourse. That is my right as an individual.
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Who cares if they’re turned on by it, they’re just supposed to do it.
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But of course! *sarcastic look* Better them than I!
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How ’bout those women who (like men only the opposite sex) like to watch two men get it on (you know, like men watching lesbians, only they’re watching two men… )?
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Ok I am going to be REAL right now. But I was mortified at the thought of ever seeing or thinking about two men having sex. But one day I worked up the nerve to click the male for male link (lol) out of pure curiosity and honestly I was turned on. IOW’s it didn’t gross me out.
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How can anyone have sex with this guy. haha!! Every time will be a menage a trois with that face staring at you! ewewewew.
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Just what I was thinking.
Even the trampiest stamped tramp knows that tattoos are about location location location. A heart tattoo with the word “MOM” on a man’s shoulder has a very different meaning from the same ink next to his balls.
But John Elway?
If the ejac flies left, he is giving his favorite QB a facial.
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lol!!!
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I’ve dated girls with access to professional athletes. She said a player asked for her number but she said no, and that I wouldn’t know who he is. I asked, I insisted. She said “his name is X”. I said he was on my fantasy team. Ouch!
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“his name is Antonio something…”
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Yeah, I was was working with a strikingly hot girl, in the sales field, as she was showing me stuff, she let it slip that her baby daddy was a professional football player. Obviously not a shit test or an IOI, but I felt my comparative SMV just deflate thinking oh, I guess she’s just friendly to me and not to bother with anything. Imagine how stupid one would look if I was wearing that player’s jersey.
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Not as stupid as if you were wallowing in his sloppy seconds and raising his spawn.
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Why any high wealth or high status guy gets married anymore is really beyond me. There’s nothing—NOTHING—a billionaire can get from a married woman that he couldn’t get from her unmarried. It’s that simple.
That said, I do have a bit sympathy for the ex-wife here. The guy just woke up one morning and traded her in for younger tail after 30 years. She’s one of the few types of women who does deserves some kind of settlement, in my opinion.
A few hundred thousand should send her on her way.
[Heartiste: I agree. She does deserve something. He reneged on his end of the deal by dumping her and should compensate her. But fair compensation is not half. I don’t care what feminists and divorce lawyers say, keeping the house clean, accompanying him to charity events, and shuttling the kids to soccer practice does not constitute significant material or capital investment toward his business success.]
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dragnet, one of my friends that went through divorce cleaners, when I asked him what happened to his car and house, replied: “I underestimated the ability of vagina to stretch”.
Of course, the dude can buy better lawyers, but more often it’s the reverse–the lawyers lick their chops in their typical parasitic fashion, in any case.
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The woman will cite emotional abuse, make it a fault based divorce and hire any later she wants with the man paying the bill because it is now his fault it didn’t work.
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Few hundred thousand? that’s pushing it…
Maybe a few millions, but not half or even quarter. She was loyal (?) to him for three decades, she deserves to maintain a high lifestyle. But the money is his. If she was the genius businesswoman in their couple, the money would be hers too.
I don’t know how feminists pulled that off, in many developing countries that i visited, the only settlement a woman can get is her dowry (assuming she didn’t spend it). That’s what i call incentive for marriage.
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nope – teh tres gay IS
that tat…
on a silky smooth, hairless tender leg mass
that looks like a chick’s leg.
With beefy forearms…
So: I bet this guy even has fuckflaps.
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My dyslexia always read Heartiste as Heartisite.
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If roissy needed an editor
Heartiste absolutely
requires
one
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100% agree with this post.
I also think it’s funny/sad when a man wears a shirt that says “Property of [sports team name].”
Imagine that – you are not only someone else’s property, but you’re boasting about it.
Enjoy sports for what they are – entertainment. (And, hopefully, exercise and competition.)
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well, look, good spectator sports energize the fan base with a rush of adrenaline, and feelings of (possibly faked) community and accomplishment. Maybe college sports are close enough to actually fulfilling the community side, but it’s more than entertainment, fans should want to feel something. Otherwise, it’s just fag gymnastics and ice dancing entertainment. I high five people in the crowd after a touch-down, not after a triple axel. With that feeling of community, some people want to wear team colors and such.
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Man, I thought I was the only guy who felt this way. I can’t wear jerseys, it drives me crazy to have another guys name on my back. I only like wearing my own name. I really love sports, but I rarely buy official apparel. If I go to a game, I dress normal. MAYBE I’ll wear a generic t-shirt with the team name or logo on it, but that’s as far as I go. Rock star worship is even worse. There’s nothing more beta than the dude who walks around wearing a shirt with a bunch of other men on it he paid $40 to wear. Paying to wear other people’s names and faces…
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I can’t get down on all the tattoo hate. The quote by Jack Landon, “Show me a man with tattoos, and I’ll show you a man with an interesting past.” resonates with me. I have basically a sleeve and a few more on different places on my torso. My tattoos have gotten me a ton of positive attention. You’d be suprised how many girls will open you over your tattoos. Combine the fact I’m inked up, drive a Volvo, ride a Harley,work in public policy, and make six figures, they don’t know what to think. Bottom line is that you’d be amazed how much pussy ink will pull if done right. Just like the old post on contradictions, it gets the hamster spinning in over drive.
[Heartiste: Agreed. But the type of tattoo can mean the difference between mysteriously cool and laughably douchey. A good rule of thumb for tattoo virgins is to steer clear of fads, logos, chinese lettering, barbed wire, splashy colors, and anything African tribal. Better to get inked with something personalized that you have to explain to someone. And make sure it looks good.]
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I couldn’t agree more with that guidance.
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I sometimes like tattoos on men, but it is very dependent on the man and the tattoo. As Jack London said it helps to have the interesting past to go along with the tattoo.
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A classy guy with a tattoo is a nice contrast.
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yeah, in fantasy land. ha! wiggers and poseurs get tatts baby!
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I was thinking of my grandfather, who is classy, and has a marine corp tattoo. He thinks men should earn their tattoos some way.
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The key word there is grandfather.
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fine. but i too was in the Corps. no tattoos. honey, it’s just a trend. and a hipster one at that (obviously your grandfather is not a hipster, but in his day a man got ONE tatt if any and it wasn’t visible and was also not all encopassing and multi-colored).
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Right. He only has one tattoo, all the same color and it’s on his arm so it’s easily covered. It wasn’t common in his day, but I agree it’s become too common now.
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“Earn their tattoos” = the best policy. I would only consider getting one as a permanent mark of irrevocable loyalty to something or someone (but never to an idea).
Everything else is faddish and transitory. Now add to it the addiction of ink, and you see impulsive people preserving fads for life on every inch of their skin. Gross and servile.
Is it alpha to get “FUCK YOU” tattooed across your forehead? In a way, yeah. But it is barrels and barrels more criminally antisocial and stupid than it is manly … and so on down the line to lesser degrees. Are you getting the tattoo out of confident impetuousness or a simple lack of foresight? That’s worth pondering.
Let’s be real, though. People are urged to ink themselves by the tug of the trendy rather than any of these high-minded reasons, no matter what they say. Or they were wasted.
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In a similar vein, I find it nearly impossible to go to a concert and jump around and sing along with the men on the stage…it feels too much like worship to me. Anybody else feel this way?
I think men should strive to be the ones on the ‘stage’ (in any walk of life) and garnering the adoration, not worshiping the ones already there.
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Yes, of course.
Anyone who has been in a successful band knows that performing on stage is solely and completely a sexual dominance display.
An alpha at a concert is inherently placing himself in a submissive, beta position. Looking at the performers on stage, jumping and singing, clearly signals to everyone around, especially any girls, that the band dominates you.
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I bet this guy would love sticking it in the chick with the Homer Simpson tattoo on her vagina.
Then he could say he was sticking it in her Homey.
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Tattoos were made for salty characters, like sailors and prison inmates both of wich are very fond of ass raping his colleagues.
Its also very common among appartment kids trying to look tough.
So basically, any sort of tatto is communicating: “I’ve been fucked in the ass before but I took it like a man” (since its a saylor/inmate thing).
In the case of apartment kids, it would be: “I wanna look like I’ve been fucked in the ass”.
Thats why I dont respect tattoos.
Now I dont know if John Elways ever been in prison, or a ship, but this guy really seem to dig the idea of being his bitch.
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I group socialist leanings together with beta tendencies.
While it may be manly to fight for your tribe, it is also essentially beta.
Being a selfish manipulative price may not be admirable, while being a devoted family man and heroic soldier may be ideal, but that doesn’t mean that the latter is alpha.
Working for group cause = underneath the king = beta.
Making your own rules and inspiring others to follow your will = alpha.
Hero worship is an age appropriate developmental stage. Adults who worship heroes are both developmentally impaired, in that they have not internalized their ideals, plus are acting the role of the follower.
Sports is essentially a communist, or socialist, or tribal undertaking. We all have that tribal urge, but some of us more than others. Many men never understood the whole hockey or baseball card trading game. It just never clicked with us, even though we wanted to fit in and play that game, and so bought up lots of packs. We could never bring ourselves to actually give a shit.
I suspect the whole tribal urge, which is exemplified in sports, leans beta. It leans towards being subservient to the group will.
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Typical american rationale.
The very same ones that dethroned monarchies, that is, the bourgeoise, were also the ones who subordinated marriage to the philistine morality of the protestants, and the convertion of men from “hero to be” to the sad figure of the “ambitious and devoted breadwinner”. That is, men as beats of burden (betas, basically).
Prior to the bourgeoise revolution, marriage wasnt even celebrated in the church. It was treated as a trivial and mundane matter.
As for your “enlightened individualism”, in the context of illuminist liberalism, it was gave birth so that men would compete economically to the place of providers. It was the invention of the “high performance provider”, and the victorian morality that accompanies the guarantee that the bestial sex drive of men be tamed to the needs of angelical women.
Individual enterprise is the realm of the newborn beta, whereas “under the King”, collective enterprise has an emphasis in strengh and accomplishment of other sorts – say, heroism. There is no “Individualist Heroic Achievement” except if you count “work your ass off to get a wife” as heroic, wich certainly is not.
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I’ll have to read this again after I get some sleep, but on first parse it’s all gobbledygook to me.
Seems you still are still lumping together admirable with alpha.
Don’t do that.
Beta is admirable and sexy for commitment. Alpha is dickish and sexy for right now.
Generally, when we admire socially positive traits, we are admiring beta traits.
And don’t presume that I am promoting enlightened individuality. I’m doing no such thing. I’m trying to describe reality as it is.
Make of reality what you will and do with reality what you will.
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You seem to be making the common assumption that alpha is naturally equated with good and what a man wants to be.
This is an error.
Alpha traits are part of your skillset used for a particular purpose.
Your cordless drill is a cordless drill is a cordless drill.
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You seem to assume that the only context in wich higher status is possible, is the one of bourgeois achievement through individual action that is known in the last 300 years. Such thing is only true in the realm of mercantile activity.
Moreover, you seem to also assume that no alpha resides inside an hierarchy, therefore a loyalist to something could never be an alpha on his own right.
You are taking the concept of alpha in an exegetic way, to the last consequences, personifiying “the rebel” when he cannot be leader of Men.
Being under an hierarchy can still enable alpha status in the second rank and bellow. Being the most attractive man does not equate – always – being the top of the male hierarchy, for there is an hierarchy among men, and there is the sexual selection “hierarchy”, that is based in a different set of expectations (I didnt want to say “values”, because biological urges cannot be considered values in the stric sense of the word).
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Basically, there is such thing as an alpha baron under a beta king.
For there is the hierarchy of men, and there is sexual selection promoted by atraction and mediated by social customs, wich can be a whole diferent thing sometimes.
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I’m not sure who you are talking to.
I don’t my words saying what you say they say.
Here is my simple association: Socialist group oriented leanings = beta leanings. Selfish indivdualistic leanings = alpha leanings.
Whatever you are talking about is a different conversation.
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I’m not saying you can’t have alpha traits while you co-operate within a group.
I’m saying that the will to co-operate, when it is greater than the will to achieve selfish aims, is beta. When you can no longer even know what your selfish aims are, and only see the will of the group, you are a follower.
Even though we have social hierarchies, how people adapt to their place in them has a lot to do with attitude. The will to fit in, the will to follow leaders, and the will to sacrifice for the group – all beta traits.
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So you mean the lack of ambition? Will to power?
That is not only beta, that is borderline omega (if not full omega).
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No, I mean all spectator sports are beta.
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Especially soccer.
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Heartiste said:
“A girl who is really into you will mold herself to pretend to enjoy whatever hobby you practice,”
bam! this i’ve found to be true over and over.
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Especially if it’s sex.
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Traditionally, tattoos were for soldiers and sailors, and some of the tougher crime gangs. They meant you were trouble, and were alpha as hell in an anti-social way.
Since every hipster and teenage girl has been stamped, tattoos have lost whatever social cachet they once had, outside of the Russian mafia and Yakuza.
And tattoos on a woman are disgusting
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Agreed, but they’re also the best slut tell.
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actually, (when you work up the nerve)
talking to them
works better
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Actually, if a chick has a tramp stamp of John Elway’s mug then it’s a good bet that she’s up for same night A2M, regardless of how it gives Neecy the vapors. Just convince her that you’re at least a minor league baseball player (or, in dear old Blighty, a footballah)
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neecy’s no different than other born again girls.
she’d be happy with any guy mentioned daily on espn
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Freakin hilarious post. Splash, McCovey Cove!
Fuck. I could see some hot chicks strolling around in McNabb jerseys or some shit (none in my fences), but when dudes go pimping about in embossed athelete gear it just looks gay goo goo.
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Is it just me or is everyone else sick of these girls who have come and taken over the comments section? Go elsewhere to seek attention, this is a site for guys to talk about picking up chicks not validating your life choices.
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Naw dude – it’s not just you.
Leave it to women to make it their divine right to not just enter the men’s locker room, but impose themselves further by trying to make themselves part of the conversation.
There must be a gillion websites where women can gush all over each other. Nevertheless, here they are.
I understand their motivation, though – they just want what they want, and no one has the right to tell them they can’t have it. Typical.
What I don’t get are the men on the site that trade barbs, insights and insults with them. I don’t get that at all. It’s like offering the saucer of milk.
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Word.
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its all tribal… sports teams are your tribe, the star player is your chief or tribe hero. want to see tribalism circa 2011…. see a “football” match overseas and behold the barbarian hordes.
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Tattoos are so fucking common it makes me sick.
All these tribal things on their legs, arms, whatever. Yeah, makes you look like a badass without having to act like one.
Those japanese symbols are nice, too! This one means loyalty, this one means rebellious! SO YOU’RE LOYAL TO BEING A REBEL?
Or for the girls – sure, put a rose-thorn on the small of your back. Or put a birthdate on for your baby girl just to prove to everyone that you love your kid.
Good luck spending the dough on it, and more dough when the tattoos fade. I’ll save my money for a trip somewhere. Or for a better apartment. Or $1000 rims cause my car doesn’t look FLY enough without them.
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Oh, by the way, the Broncos are my team. But LOL, John fucking Elway as a tattoo? Yeah, that’s crazy.
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what if its troy aikman or joe montana?
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at first glance i thought you wrote ‘clay aiken’.
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Heartiste: “The man who doesn’t worry about what chicks like [read: what they’ll think of a behavior in this case] is either gay or dead.”
Incorrect. The man who doesn’t worry about what anyone thinks is his own man and attractive to women by virtue of his indifference.
[Heartiste: The man in the course of pursuing his own interests is attracting women, for his genetic imperative compels him to pursue that which is maximally attractive to women. The CEO loves his work and does it for his own pleasure and in service to his own ambition, but that doesn’t change that fact that his pursuit of power is driven by an ancient impulse to attract women. The man who pursues interests that are ineffectual at attracting women will find himself alone and unsexed, regardless of how adamant is his assertion that he doesn’t concern himself about what anyone else thinks of him.]
The man who worries about what chicks think is already trying too hard.
[Is the act of approaching a pretty woman with a calculated opener trying too hard?]
I think this tattoo is super lame and would never wear another man’s name on my back.
However, a man who wears his passions on his sleeve without giving a flying F whether other people think he is a douche or not is already far ahead of the man who is worried about “what chicks like.”
[Wrong. There are many passionate WoW players who can’t get laid to save their lives. But they sure are passionate about their pursuits.]
A man can dress up like Yoda and have light saber fights in his front yard and still pull chicks if he has the right mindset.
[Wouldn’t adopting the right mindset (i.e. the mindset most attractive to women) fall under your definition of trying too hard?]
Women will follow a man, and mimic his interests, if she is truly attracted to him.
[But she has to be attracted to him first. And that’s where a man has to put an effort in to make himself attractive to women.]
That’s not to say a man shouldn’t calibrate his game toward the female sensibility.
[This is just a euphemism for try-hard.]
He just shouldn’t sacrifice his self.
[Game is enjoyable. Seducing women is enjoyable. Where’s the sacrifice?]
Game is a skill set, not a personality transplant (though it can seem like one if used effectively).
[Use game enough, and your personality will change.]
If a guy wants to be the world’s biggest Broncos fan – then that’s what he should let himself be.
[You write like a feminist. “If a girl wants to eat herself into obesity, then that’s what she should let herself do.” Fine, but she’ll suffer negative consequences in the dating market.]
You are confusing “worrying about what chicks like [think of ‘x’]” with “worrying about HOW chicks think” – the latter of course is broken down expertly by this blog.
[Men who get tattoos of high status men on their legs are likely afflicted with beta characteristics. There is something to be said for signaling.]
A tattoo (however lame) does not a beta make – this image tells us nothing about this guy’s success or failures with women.
[Actually, it tells us something. It’s a leading indicator that he probably doesn’t have the first clue about women.]
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Sam,
If I was completely indifferent to what men thought of me I’d probably sit with my legs splayed, pick my nose and possibly even pass gas. Be grateful for the fact that humans do care quite a bit what the opposite sex thinks of them.
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Heartiste, concering tattoos, how do you think a tatoo of my unit (military) would look?
Wa;d
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Heartiste,
I liked your responses and for the most part I agree with you.
But when you say, “The man who pursues interests that are ineffectual at attracting women will find himself alone and unsexed, regardless of how adamant is his assertion that he doesn’t concern himself about what anyone else thinks of him” – what interests? If I play WoW Monday-Thursday and go out and apply game to pull chicks Friday and Saturday, how has one pursuit made me ineffectual at the other?
The pursuit of females should be but one facet of any man’s life – not the centerpiece. I agree with you about the biological imperative behind the pursuit of all interests – to get laid – but I disagree that one’s hobbies exclude him from the game. Sure, the majority of WoW nerds have trouble with women, but that’s because they have no game and are insulated. Rest assured there are WoW dorks who do well with women. The beauty of game is that anyone can learn it and apply it. WoW has nothing to with it – only the amount of time a man devotes to this as entertainment.
As for this:
[Wouldn’t adopting the right mindset (i.e. the mindset most attractive to women) fall under your definition of trying too hard?]
No. But giving up something you enjoy because you are afraid a woman won’t like it most definitely does.
[Wrong. There are many passionate WoW players who can’t get laid to save their lives. But they sure are passionate about their pursuits.]
You’re correct. And there are many who can get laid. One does not preclude the other. There are also investment bankers, soldiers, and lawyers who can’t get laid to save their lives. The difference is game.
And this:
[You write like a feminist. “If a girl wants to eat herself into obesity, then that’s what she should let herself do.” Fine, but she’ll suffer negative consequences in the dating market.]
A man in pursuit of his personal happiness/hobbies and a woman getting fat are not analogous.
A woman letting herself go physically = a man acting beta/nice guy/zero game.
Your personal pastimes as a man will not necessarily result in you “suffering consequences in the dating market” unless you allow them to. You suffer consequences in the dating market when you don’t apply the philosophy of this blog, sir, which I usually agree with. Especially this commandment:
III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority.
If you use game, I can think of few interests or hobbies that are mutually exclusive with getting laid.
With all respect, I understand what you’re saying, but I see seducing women as one enjoyable interest among many.
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I’ve always wondered why it’s weird and geeky to dress up as a Klingon, but perfectly all right to dress up as Michael Jordan. It’s pretty damned unlikely you’re going to fool anyone either way.
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Really, unless you are a Klingon or Michael Jordan, it’s pretty geeky either way.
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The guys who are sports fanboys, as you pointed out, tend to be big, beefy meathead types—those guys who consider themselves athletes or at least former high school jocks. On the other hand fanboys of musicians tend to be skinny or artistic or what have you. The psychology behind the fanboy is that he is trying to convince women that he is part of the high status group he worships; he wants to associate himself with athleticism, or the sensual energetic rocker. It makes sense from an evolutionary perspective, but I agree it is just pathetic as heck.
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This pretty much nails it, aside from the obligatory PC pieties to dodge the obvious race angle…
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That is some funny shit! First time I see a tattoo like this on a dude.
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