Most of you game-acquainted guys reading have probably heard of the ‘Sex and the City’ cold read routine by now. (A cold read is usually framed as an “intuition” or “a feeling” you have about a girl or girls, and typically follows an opener.) If not, here’s a place you can refresh your memory.
But times have changed. SATC — and that other girl-dominated cast in “Charlie’s Angels” often used as a cold read — are dated shows. 20-something chicks are not going to relate. Being an interesting, fun dude to 20-something women means being clued into insipid cultural trends. So I’ve updated the cold read formula for 2012, and I call it The Glee Read. It’s the same formula as the SATC read, only with new characters replacing the old, jaded, sinewy Samantha, Carrie, Charlotte and that lesbian.
YOU: (Smiling) “You guys are awesome you’re just like the girls from Glee.”
GIRLS: “Oh I love that show…”
YOU: “You’re definitely Rachel because you’re strong but you have a heart. People misunderstand you.” (This is good to use on the shy girl of the group.)
YOU: “You’re Quinn, the queen bee!” (Use on the most outgoing chick.)
YOU: “And you’re Mercedes. You want to be a diva, but you’re too nice to pull it off.” (This is actually a great neg to use on a hot white chick, because the Mercedes character is a fat black girl. The character “Santana” would also work as a neg.)
YOU: “And you…” Shake your head disapprovingly at your target. “You are Sue Sylvester.”
You don’t have to use the exact formula I’ve written above. Just know a little bit about the main characters and suit to taste. “Glee” is very popular with the prime fertility window demographic. Another show that is popular with American women (and which bespeaks SO WELL of our nation) is “Gilmore Girls”. If you aren’t up to speed on the show — and who could blame you? — you can read about the characters here. Then craft your own cold read routine based on what you know about the characters’ personalities.
Remember, lead the conversation. Girls react so positively to cold reads involving pop culture references that you will be tempted to let the convo roll in that direction for longer than is necessary. Don’t be afraid to cut girls off so that you may segue them to more fruitful (heh) banter.
Also, you’d be surprised how many 30-something women are into these shows as well. Never-ending adolescence has infected both sexes. In fact, I’d argue women have assumed the mantle of perpetual adolescence in far greater numbers and with greater intensity than have men. You just have to use the correct — read: the un-PC — metrics to uncover that.
The character I see created specifically to tingle women is “House, M.D.”
He’s got it all – three day old beard, alpha position and attitude, GREAT intelligence and verbalization, snappy negs for every other human, MD, motorcycle, “wounded birdy” with his gimp leg and Vicodin addiction.
I’m seeing a response from the 40-somethings I’m hunting. Anyone know the demographics of the audience?
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House *is* the man! 30 something y/o here… I don’t watch much TV but the few times I caught the episodes of House I liked him and his witty smart assness. I’m guessing 30-40 somethings for house. Not sure the 20 somethings are watching that. They tend to like more of the trashy reality shows, the American idol type shows and the “glees” as CH mentioned.
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Another good show with an almost same kind of character as House is Archer – if you are looking for less of the 20 something demo’s and more of the 30-40 demographics.
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Wow, the hosts are really doing the research that most of us are unwilling to do. I know of Glee, as in that I know it’s a show on tv with a lot of gays on it and it’s for the kids, hmmm, just like SATC. so weird how that works. Anyway, good tip. Talking to younger girls, you realize that cultural markers have changed and instead of being curmudgeonly, you have to at least know what’s going on to have a common vocabulary to build a rapport.
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It’s times like this I question exactly *how* much I want to get laid.
Enough to talk with interest about characters from Glee? Naah.
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My first impression as well… I’d just as soon go celibate and join a monastery than watch 5 minutes of Glee, American Idol, Dancing With The Stars, Jersey Shore, ad infinitum.
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Joe_Eoj and John Norman Howard are both on their way to being MGTOW. Which, BTW, isn’t incompatible with PUA-ness, it just represents a different reaction to the same set of facts, plus the knowledge of the dangers of Marriage 2.0 – or even Relationship 2.0.
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Godammit… I can’t deny it.
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It wasn’t meant as an insult. Game and MGTOW are both valid responses to the facts on the ground regarding the psychology and conduct of many/most modern females.
Sad but true.
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As is doing hookers. I couldn’t even tell you if any of them watch Glee, Gilmore Girls, or Jersey Shore, since so much of my time with them is spent having sex.
That having been said, I do know one of them is mesmerized by gang-bang creampie porn. Her fantasy is to be the character with the pussy that the cum drips out of.
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What is MGTOW?
[heartiste: defeatists.]
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Ditto for me. If watching enough feminist/homo crap like “Glee” to be able to cite it in PU ops is the cost of bedding 20-somethings … save room at the monastery for me.
I pick up foreign gals anyway, another reason why that works better.
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I’ve watched a lot of Gilmore in my time.
… No punchline. Just letting you know!
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I admit to seeing a few Gilmore shows because of my daughter tuning in… and I was waiting on the Yankee game anyway… for the sake of my daughter’s sensibilities, I kept the guffaws down to a dull roar.
FWIW, I saw the mother in Guys & Dolls and she was way hotter on stage… of course, she was playing a ditzy blonde who was desperately trying to lasso a man whilst dreading the thunder of the ticks from her bio-clock… but her eyes were positively luminous, even from 20 rows back.
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The Gilmore mother also says “Fuck me Santa” while being fucked by Bad Santa, among other things.
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Bad Santa was a good film. I saw it again a couple of weeks ago and the Gilmore mom looked pretty sexy in it. She’s 44 now and was about 36 in Bad Santa.
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I have seen every episode of Gilmore Girls, likely. Give a man 5 months of travel consisting of 3 flights a week on average, mixed with a request of a very good alpha friend to “pick me up some TV show on DVD that I’ll like” mixed with a combo box of seasons 1 and 2 of anything, and you’re trapped.
I have no excuse — I went out and picked up the rest of the seasons on eBay dirt cheap, but the betaness of the show had me in stitches. Plus, bouncing around Europe on 1-2 hour flights gave me a 20% chance of sitting next to a relatively good looking female, and I always let them borrow the left headphone to “practice their English”.
Now on a flight, I always turn on some chic flick instead of a guy movie on my laptop, if there’s a relatively good looking female next to me. Amazing what that one fantasy movie about the girl who falls from the stars to become a princess/queen will do to a woman on a flight. The one with Robert Dinero as the gay balloon boat captain.
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Yea, yea. You loved it. Just like you loved Dawson’s Creek.
What I’d love to know is how much that worthless bitch going “Bah-bah, BAH-bah-bah” as the music to every episode made for her efforts.
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I actually know that bitch personally, ha. She was the Katy Perry of 20 years ago — a Christian Contemporary singer with a bright future (“the Cindy Lauper of CCM”) who decided to say fuck it and started writing songs about sex, alcohol and depression. Actually quite an amazing song composer, but made her fortune doing the music for GG. She actually brought another friend onto the show for a bunch of guest appearances, very very odd.
Never saw Dawson’s Creek, but my brother was a fan, so I think it was a previous generation. I hate that chick who Tom Cruise married. She has the herpes mouth.
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Good looking female on European flights? A mere myth (a slightly better chance if you fly business).
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Here’s a sketch for glee to do:
http://viralfootage.com/?p=20870&preview=true
text text text, huge group of girls, huge group of girls, you can buy us drinks all night but you better not fucking touch us!
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That’s worth a golf clap… but too easy a target to merit a standing O.
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Do you have a few witty replies ready in case they try to blow that up and call you gay for liking glee? (what real men do like glee)
[heartiste: perfect answer: “i know about that show through other girls.” preselected baby!]
I like the brutally honest reply if they did: Look I never saw that show I just read the wiki because you look like glee groupies and I thought it’d help me fuck you all in a twisted musical style 3some .
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Lots of ways to approach this:
“My last girlfriend was a big fan.”
“I’m a musician and I’m always interested in new takes on popular songs.”
“It’s one of my dirty little secrets.”
“I like the black chick.”
“Bring the movies.”
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“I like the black chick.”
Win.
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All TV shows are gay, but I don’t really see chicks calling anyone gay over a TV show, unless it’s just another shit test.
The routine won’t work for me because I don’t know the characters. The chicks may not know either.
It’s best to utilize some pop culture reference that doesn’t require watching a weekly TV show. Snooki, Kim Kardashian, Lady Gaga, Rhianna, and other flavors of the month are vomited all over the media that practically everyone knows them without having to invest too much time. Plus it’s a good way to neg chicks: “Your clothes remind me of Lady Gaga.”
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Best reply: “My girlfriend watches every episode.”
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Don’t think this would work for me as it would require me to actually watch one of those shows which I won’t because I’m not a fag
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You’re not a geek either, apparently.
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“Bridesmaids” is another good option- a big hit this summer, by the Apatow team that usually makes the male-oriented comdies of that type (so way less gay than “Glee”, and so much less of the I-wanna-put-my-eyes-out-with-an-icepick-after-five-minutes experience that most straight guys get from gay-styled fare and chick flicks). Young chicks LOVED that movie. Drop pointed references and comparisons-bonus points, if she loved “Bridesmaids” then she’s down with raunchy humor (and attitudes).
There’s also “Mad Men”, back in a few months, which women almost always love. Ask what they think of Don Draper- use it as a sonar ping: what comes back will tell you a lot about their attitudes toward alpha men.
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Ditto on Mad Men. I’ve found Mad Men fans among women of every age from college freshmen to thirties divorcees.
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I like Mad Men, but the show has low ratings on an obscure channel and plus they haven’t had a season in the last 2 years. No chance even 30% of college girls have watched the show. To be honest, most girls don’t even watch much TV these days. Stick with Jersey shore because everyone watched.
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what about discovery channel? Any bitches watch that shit, cause most men don’t watch crappy network tv.
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Too bad the bitches probably don’t watch The League…you’re such an Andre…
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Bring her a picture of the penis bird attacking butt mountain.
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Only if she’s not too scary to touch my equipmonk.
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The thing is, you need to target this. Glee might work for you, but its important to note this is specific to the demographics you’re hitting on. As a college student I can say without a doubt that if I go out and use this on any given weekend my odds are 7/10 that this routine will fall flat. Girls at this age simply don’t care about Glee–at least not the girls going out on the weekends (the “cat ladies in training” who don’t drink or go out love Glee, but that’s irrelevant.)
In this age group you’ll have better luck with “The Jersey Shore.” This has the added benefit of plausible deniability with any association. Take either of the following examples:
YOU: You’re the Snooki of the group–no nonsense and unafraid to get what she wants.
or
YOU: You’re the Snooki of the group. (Stay silent, they’ll automatically begin to assume negative attributes in this analogy.)
This works for any character from the show. They’re all interchangeable cutouts of varying muscle mass.
In feminist circles you’ll have better luck with “The L-Word,” if you can stomach it. With every “girl-power” website out there plugging this show like they have stock in it, it’s no surprise that collegiate females have taken to this show like addicts to heroin. I know nothing about this show except that it draws both straight and gay girls alike. If somebody could figure out a way to harness this show for pickup, they’d have their choice of masculine women across the US.
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Your the Deena of the group no one here likes you but me.
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No, girls your age -and socioeconomic status- are more likely to watch Jersey Shore. College-age girls from affluent homes watch Glee, poor girls watch Jersey Shore. (Nielsen ratings.) I don’t always befriend women who watch TV, but when I do… they’re drawn from an acceptable demographic.
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Jersey Shore seems more geared toward guys. The girls I know watch Glee.
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yes i too like making unsubstantiated claims without citation.
For the record, I attend Columbia. I look forward to seeing your links to socioeconomic breakdowns of Jersey Shore/Glee viewership in the 18-24 bracket.
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I prefer extrapolating from a single data point, that’s also effective.
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my evidence was anecdotal and i made no claim otherwise hth.
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Any woman who watches any of this crap will barely get a pump & dump from yours truly. TV heads would be better served spending time studying, working out, or learning how to be halfway acceptable wives/girlfriends.
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New Girl and Glee are the top two shows among college women 18-24, according to a November piece in New York Magazine citing Nielsen ratings. Glee is consistently one of the most popular television shows among affluent viewers. My point is left unproven, but supported. Columbia, I am duly chastened. Love, Princeton.
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/11/which-tv-show-rich-people-hate-the-most-and-27-other-unexpected-ratings-facts.html#photo=25×00031
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Yeah I thought of New Girl but seems like the context is limited. Working Girls probably has a draw from the workings class chicks. You know the ones who like to fuck 5 times a night and snort coke off a dick.
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Cool girls watch Sons of Guns!
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I think Glee would work better. It is a more girly show, and it will be more unexpected if a guy knows a lot about it. You want to show you have some feminine sensibilities. Any knucklehead can talk about Jersey Shore.
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If you talk about Glee, she is going to think you are gay. You can talk about female shows like SATC and Gilmore Girls without coming off as gay, but Glee is geared towards chicks and gay guys.
[heartiste: like someone mentioned above, if a chick gives you shit about it, just say you watched it with your ex-gf.]
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“In fact, I’d argue women have assumed the mantle of perpetual adolescence in far greater numbers and with greater intensity than have men.”
No kidding?
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I dunno about Gilmore Girls. My ex used to watch so I’m familiar with it, but it ended almost 5 years ago and it’s dominated by the 2 leads. God help you if you cold read a chick as Emily or Sookie.
You can easily get away with “watching” Glee because it’s popular and it’s still running. Claiming Gilmore Girls is going to make chicks think you watch Lifetime.
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Nothing wrong with lifetime. They make some good movies. Of course you really can’t say that to a girl unless you are a true alpha.
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Or a total philistine.
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Agreed. The Glee bit is wonderfully clever, but I haven’t heard any twenty-something girls bring up the Gilmore Girls in years; it would seem a bit off to mention the show.
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I can’t believe this stuff works. That’s depressing.
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It does work, and here is the good news, like it is with the five stages of denial, depression is just a transitory phase. Once you get past it you get to acceptance, and when you apply the Heartiste principles in the field you will eventually reach the final stage…amusement and amused mastery.
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That’s pretty much the most apt analogy I’ve read yet… tip o’ the ten gallon on that one, pard.
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Pass on this one.
Chick flix and stuff could really jeopardize my mental health. Then, I wouldn’t be able to spit game.
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I don’t watch TV. I see maybe one or two movies a year. I remind or introduce people to this fact whenever a conversation turns to these things and seems predicated on some shared lore. If the subject, or speaker, is interesting, I ask a probing question or two with genuine disinterest.
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Would an aristocrat watch junk TV and make references to current shows? Of would he sniff at such low-brow time wasters?
I’d think the latter and we all know how aristocracy spins up the hamster.
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From what I observe, women are actually loath to date far outside their class. And I believe class signaling comprises much of a first male-female interaction. For the most part, women are looking for a man whose cultural points of reference are mostly the same as hers, but slightly better or slightly different. She’ll bristle if you’re too much her better — almost as if self-segregation were in her genes.
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Agreed.
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True enough but then I don’t date much below mine either.
Not that I’m that much of a snob or elitist but I haven’t dated trailer trash since, well, since I was trailer trash.
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No loss there. Most American women are already low class in terms of cultural sophistication and social graces; lower class AW is really stepping down.
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“almost as if self-segregation were in her genes.”
That’s almost as if Hitler talk. More of that and you shall be hearing from the redoubtable I. Bismuth, professional noser-out of all racist unorthodoxy.
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You’re kinda cute when you leave the racist unorthodoxy aside.
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people who are anxious to tell other people that they don’t watch TV are inevitably insufferable bores.
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I wouldn’t bring up TV unless someone else does – which negates the guidance of the post although I will admit to using it as a seduction tool – but not to someone named “Kevin.”
People (like me) who admit to NOT watching TV are telling you to stop suffering and go bore someone else.
It is a really pitiful topic of conversation. TV is synthetic gossip material manufactured for mass consumption by people with weak minds (aka most women, their biggest audience.)
Have you noticed that women tend to leave their TV on while home? It makes for an antidote to loneliness, at least in their minds.
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Only to those who aren’t smart enough to give up TV.
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somebody mentioned Don Draper as a “sonar ping”, or a measure of alpha. Lets use it to test this.
Can you imagine Don Draper saying those lines?
Didn’t think so.
[heartiste: i wasn’t aware there was only one acceptable post-approach conversational gambit approved by the commissioners of game tutelage.
anyhow, one can downshift into don draperism after the fun-heightened approach and attraction stage is complete. ya know, chicks dig that sort of unpredictability.
come to think of it, i could imagine don draper saying these lines. with characteristic draper drollery and low pitch, of course.]
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Don Draper married a chick after like knowing her for 3 days and lied about his identity. I don’t think he is the authority on all things alpha.
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George Clooney wouldn’t use the line either but part of it is because he has the status not to need too.
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George Clooney comes off as a bit beta in this commercial
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Don Draper? I’m so out-of-touch with pOp cUlTuRe.
Watching Glee, or, reading about the insufferable characters, is not worth the bonus poon.
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to clarify- xalex pulled that out of context. the post was about using pop-culture references popular with women- in the case of “mad men”, the lead character is an old-school alpha male that females are basically universally attracted to. so raising that character in conversation is an obvious way to go. i didn’t advocate using the phrase “sonar ping”, only that observing a given female’s reaction to this screen alpha can give you good information on her attitudes towards men, attraction, etc. (given the usual caveat that what women say they are attracted to differs from what they are actually attracted to.) and although the “actual” (fictional) don draper probably doesn’t watch a lot of TV, heartiste is probably wouldn’t be adverse to talking about TV or movies with a woman, in the right context.
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Its not just glee game, or gilmore girls game, you have to properly research your targets if you want success. It’s no different then any other form of research ;D
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Or any other form of targeting for that matter…
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Where’s da gbfm? I’m sure these shows are all part of bernanke’s plan to facilitate the secretly taped asscocking sessions in college.
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Here’s a good example of how being beta can turn a woman off so much she takes legal action:
http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/cop-issues-speeding-ticket-asks-driver-date-she-002427538.html
Can you pick out all the things he did wrong?
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goddamn, are pigs ever stupid.
reminds me of the time one caught my then-gf at the time racing me over a bridge doing almost 2x the limit. apparently he told her [*puffing chest out*] that he “only gives tickets to Hells Angels”. yeah right. ill bet that is the only demographic he routinely lets pass; they pretty much run that city. which is why my buddy w the range + range’s worth in options routinely gets pulled over and hears “where are the drugs?”, while escalades full of heroin, meth etc routinely deliver -same time every friday night- to a notorious DT crackhouse that happens to be right next to the biggest police station in an area the size of california.
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Honestly it was pretty creepy what he did. B/c he searched for her address, found it, AND came to her place without her knowing. That’s scary. If he wanted to ask her out he shouldn’t have waited. He’d been better off asking when he gave her the ticket.
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Here’s the note he wrote that got him sued:
“It’s Chris … that ugly bald Stickney cop who gave you that ticket. … I know this may seem crazy and you’re probably right, but truth is I have not stopped thinking about you since. I don’t expect a girl as attractive as you to … even go for a guy like me, but I’m taking a shot anyways.”
“I did cost you $132 – least I can do is buy you dinner,”
Forget that he is a cop, look at everything in this. It’s got all the mistakes as mentioned above.
The self-deprecating humour immediately distances him.
The qualification: “i know this may seem crazy…”
“I have not stopped thinking about you”: One-itis, smacks of desperation.
“I don’t expect a girl as attractive as you…” supplication.
“Buy you dinner….” beta.
I think without the knowledge of game many guys would use this same approach to ask someone out…on a “date”…
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Sorry, but I think I’d rather jerk off than try to bone up on crap like Glee just so I can get in the pants of some insipid ninny.
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Anyone else see this story? It’s a great example of how much women despise beta’s. Cringe worthy stuff. Had he even the slightest understanding of game, he’d have a date with the girl, instead of a date in court.
http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/cop-issues-speeding-ticket-asks-driver-date-she-002427538.html
The note he wrote the girl contains almost every single sin that a beta can make: pedastalization, self deprecation, supplication etc… Poor bastard
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I dont think beta has anything to do with it. A strange man searched for her address, located it and then came to her location to ask her out without her permission. She’s probably more afraid of the fact that he pulled a stalker move than a beta move.
If he said the same thing face to face when giving her the ticket she probably would have just said “no thanks!” and kept it moving.
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Bullshit. I know many cops and lots of them have dated women who they’ve either issued tickets to or have tracked down after a traffic stop. Most of them don’t present themselves like the bitch beta this guy did and they get the girl. If this clown said the same thing face to face, the girl would’ve sued him just the same… no two ways about it. If the guy was decent looking and confident, the girl wouldn’t have given two shits how he came to her. You clearly don’t understand anything that is discussed on this site.
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Plus he’s a cop. No drugs, no breaking laws, everything PC as fuck and I bet he’s a fun drunk with his napoleon complex.
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http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/cop-issues-speeding-ticket-asks-driver-date-she-002427538.html
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Am I the only straight guy here that thinks glee is actually a good show? If you haven’t given it a chance you should. The humor is a lot more edgy than you’d expect. It’s not written for children.
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Let me guess … you’re an effeminate hipster.
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Not that it should matter, but far from it. I’m an officer in the military and liking glee is probably the most feminine thing about me.
I’m out of town a lot so I don’t get a chance to hear the hype before I watch a new show on netflix, so it might just be that I’ve judged it on its own merits instead of going with the crowd, who knows.
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The link to the yahoo article is pretty instructive on just how much women hate betas. The guys note he left for the girl is cringe worthy and contains almost every beta error a guy can make: pedastalization; supplication, self deprecation etc… poor bastard
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another presumed alpha gets married on purpose. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/04/justin-timberlake-jessica-biel-engaged-married-wedding-dating_n_1162968.html?ref=mostpopular
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he’s projecting lots of betaness in most of those pics.
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Then again, we only assume he’s alpha cause he’s JT, we’ve bought the image. When adam levine gets married. on purpose. That’s when we know the greats have fallen.
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No Straight man watches glee. The fact that I would know the characters and their personalities by heart would disturb me just as much as it would disturb the girls i’m trying to cold read
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You don’t have to actually watch it. If nothing else, use the direct lines that Mr. Chateau provided or use the link to study the characters as you would study for an exam.
Given the short attention-spans of many young ladies you may not have to follow-up on such a cold-read at all.
Upon successful completion, you may then go back to viewing “Die Hard” or “Monday Night Football”.
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In the comments of http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2012/01/03/brainwash/
there is a link to a 7 part series by a Norwegian comedian demolishing the academic leftists/human nature denialists.
Of note is this one http://rixstep.com/2/20111127,04.shtml
which deals with human sexuality.
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Sorry for the off-topic, but I’m guessing that that 1,000 boobs guy (from the Twitter feed) got laid like crazy during that little adventure. He undoubtedly asked all of them for permission ahead of time. (Even the ones who feigned shock. Girls do love a stage.) So that’s 1,000 approaches and interesting conversations. Plus kino with each. And you know that 90% of these girls had to ask him a million questions about his experiment.
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Yes, I’d like to know the exact wording of his approach. Was the cameraman female? What exactly did he say? Especially about where the film would be posted. Was there a $10 reward? Would American girls let that be done for a $20? Does he even want to reveal the secret? I realize that women at their hottest really want that to be filmed and photographed. The existence of so much hot free porn pretty much proves that money isn’t the motivating factor. It’s more like the subjects want to telegraph that they’re ready for action.
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Offering them money would wreck it. Then it isn’t “just for fun,” and I’d bet far fewer girls would participate. It’s that “just for fun” attitude, along with the “Can you believe this guy is getting girls to agree to this???” that makes the guy someone that girls would be charmed by.
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Watch Glee? Fuck no. This angle far exceeds my cost-benefit threshold, as it should for any “alpha” not tethered to a keyboard.
[heartiste: spot the irony.]
Well maybe if the guy is naturally a culture fag hipster. But beyond that…
[you need to get more fun in your life.]
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lol. Can you name my blog? The one I’ve decided to take to the “next level”? Go on, I’ll wait.
[heartiste: back for a second comment and you still can’t see the irony.]
In the meantime, I’ll have my fun breaking the limbs of squealing keyboard hipster faggots.
[that’s no way to treat your dad.]
You missed the mark on this one, in what is an otherwise consistent forum for good advice.
[fuck you.]
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[fuck you.]
For some reason, this was really funny.
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So cute when you’re mad and flailing. On your little blog.
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Maybe 20 years ago, some woman wrote a book about
“The Peter Pan Complex”. While some stuff might
have made sense, mainly she was complaining that
men no longer seemed interested in supporting women.
But when women don’t want to grow up, what shall we call it?
Wendy Complex won’t work, too many Wendies and the one
in Barries book was too sensible.
How about “The Tinkerbell Complex?”
Thor
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I think you mean Gossip Girl. Gilmore Girls is SATC era.
[heartiste: you’re right. gossip girl is the better cold read choice. someone mentioned jersey shore. that wouldn’t be bad. a lot of swpl chicks watch that shit “ironically”.]
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Dude, really…. try that on brazilian girls, and theuy’ll think you’re gay for even knowing what “Glee” is.
Wtf is wrong with americans…
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That would be great, if anyone wanted Brazilian girls, which few do.
But thanks for your totally unsolicited opinion on what “gay” means. I’m sure you’re comfortable with your homophobia in Brazil.
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To engange in an argument with you on “the virtues of braziilan girls” would be pointless. Suffice to say that, unless you travelled the whole country, you probably have an image that corresponds only to a tiny portion of the place (that is, Rio – ugly sluts with oversized asses, vulgar, dancing in slums).
What I truly meant with my coment was: isnt it an unecessary ordeal, to get acquainted with teen shows like “Glee”? Moreover, doesnt it sound like something easy to backfire? I mean… I know gay men who love this show, and a straight adult men could be quickly be categorized in this folder for showing knowldge about it…
… at least in here. (Its not absurd to assume the same would happen in the US).
It wasnt my intention to sugest the americans were effeminate in general. Its the country of John Wayne, NRA, Harley Davidson etc. I’m sure its not the case.
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Even If I decided to immolate my ball-sack and take an active interest in Glee, it’s a circus act that is unsustainable. PoP CuTuRe’S tentacles have molested too much; Glee would be, ultimately, propaedeutic. I don’t necessarily want to barrel through the culture wave to snare vaj.
Besides, most young pussies find it interesting that I’m disconnected from the manure.
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Holy Baloney! I learned a new word, one I’ve never even seen, by reading this post.
I am impressed, Mr. 357!
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Get off my nutz.
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You read me wrong, 357. That was a genuine compliment!
There is joy in using the exactly right word – I could have used that one just this week.
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Hmmm…
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camera adds a few pounds…
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I don’t like to admit it, but I’ve brought up “Twilight” in front of women. They ALL love it (barf) and it is an easy way to get them gabbing.
Once I brought it up and after they ga-ga’d over the pasty one and the other guy I said that I preferred the Christopher Lee vampire movies where Count Dracula was pure evil and that I’m not a big fan of “naturalistic” explanations for fictional vampires. I don’t think they quite understood where I was going.
I bet that describing the sexual innuendo in the original Bram Stoker novel and how it was affected by Victorian moral norms when it was published would be a great BS point for art/lit girls.
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I’m 41 and pretty successful professionally. Been gaming for about 6 years now after a serious affliction of serial monogamy in my 20s and early 30s. [Fyi younger guys — my earlier experience is proof that money does NOT equal poon.]
What works best for a 20-something guy will not work best for a 30- or 40-something guy. If you’re past 35 and have professional achievement and status, ease off the uber cocky-funny teasing and Glee cold reads.
Don’t try to show value. Just *have* the value. Be confident. It’s very much an inner game thing.
I’ve found that a fair slice of 20-something women enjoy the older man dynamic. Just own it and act it. They will come. No need to know Glee or any other silly young girl thing.
Earlier on this thread someone asked WWDDD? (What would Don Draper Do?). That’s a pretty good litmus test if you’re over 35 and have professional success.
A discussion of optimal gaming styles by age might make a good post.
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Good post. This is what I do. I go for the Don Draper thing and it works well for me and has for some time.
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“Don’t try to show value. Just *have* the value.”
Exactly!
[heartiste: not exactly. if you have the value but don’t show it, no one’s going to know you have it. it’s called marketing. all the best seducers do it.
you may now return to being your regularly scheduled dummy.]
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“if you have the value but don’t show it, no one’s going to know you have it.”
When you have real value this makes you feel confident and your behavior becomes more alpha. I think.
[heartiste: what do you think “confidence” and “alpha behavior” mean except as ways to show value?]
Is this stupid enough?
[your selfpitytroll act is tiresome.]
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Well, this is an interesting twist. My trash tv isn’t gays singing popular music in an effort to make teens accept gays, I do like Millionaire Matchmaker, and she does, from time to time, get millionaires who are in the younger 30-40 age range…I mean guys who aren’t weathered, withered, or in anyway look like Ed Helms (i.e., they can pass for late 20’s). The point being, they’re rich but they’re doing the upscale jeans and t-shirt thing. She invariably makes them man up and put on a suit. I guess that’s one way to “own” the value, stop dressing like a kid (even if the jeans and shirt cost several hundred a piece).
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Do you think that your age hinders your ability to meet younger 20-somethings? I’m 32 and have no problem meeting and laying girls 26 and up, but below that and I feel like I give off the “old man” vibe, which is found to be creepy. To be fair I’m meeting these women primarily on OKCupid and not in bars or malls, where they are less likely to reject you based on your age; at least right away.
I’m also professionally successful and therefore feel like these neg cold reads would be incongruous with my actual image.
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Fuck that shit.
I fucking HATE Glee.
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How has no one here mentioned True Blood? Most dating profiles list that as their faaaaaavourite show. Given there are few females leads you could then suggest which one of the guys she’d most like.
a – tedious arsefaced vampire Bill
b – complete bastard Viking vampire Eric
c – hot but boring werewolf whatshisname
d – the lesbian vampire Pam
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Regarding the tweet, Stephen Hawking was apparently a ladies man into his forties, despite being in a wheelchair and looking like a damaged doll. However, the nurse that convinced him to marry her then made his life a living hell and apparently tried to murder him passively, such as leaving him in the hot sun or letting him slip below the water line in the bathtub. He’s divorced now and, if he’s now saying he doesn’t understand women, that isn’t so funny even if meant as a joke. It tends to get a laugh, but it’s ultimately weak. Whatever effect he had on women in the past is not something he’s prepared to write a book on, apparently.
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You might want to try an open letter to the scientist. If exposed to your scientific point of view, he might publicly respond positively to it after the abuse he took once he married Elaine, who had stolen him from another wife.
He’s 70 now and has nothing to lose, except maybe another Nobel Prize.
If he responds at all, that’s a win for the game community.
Hawking is generally considered the smartest man in the world.
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We don’t really need the smartest people’s approval to know that Heartiste got it right.
But goddamn, it would be a blow to the femcunts delusions. I wanna see their hamsters squeaking and running for their lives if Hawking or some other respected figure backs up the evo psych/game ideology.
I mean evo psych/game truths.
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sometimes even the greatest ladies man comes across that one slag that conquers them.
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…. and then they want to start talking about the show. Uck. Using Glee wouldn’t work for me anyway because no one would believe I actually watch it. It doesn’t go with my persona.
Last time I saw Glee I was channel surfing and stopped for a moment in disbelief. Two guys were singing a “romantic” Christmas oldie duet originally written for a man and woman. Repulsive.
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Re: the Stephen Hawking tweet.
The Guardian has a nasty little article running at the moment attacking him for his ‘women are a mystery to me’ comment:
“to say that we are all a mystery could be taken as someone positioning himself to dismiss and marginalise us; to imply that our opinions and ideas don’t matter because we’re intrinsically inexplicable.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/05/stephen-hawking-top-5-tips-women?commentpage=8#start-of-comments
The hamster really hates betas.
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LOL. You got me with the latest twitter link. She’s a big’un.
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Yaknow, I just had this conversation the other night. Some other American was trying to relate to me by telling me all the TV shows he’s watched recently. I had no idea what he was talking about, but the point is that Americans can no longer relate to fellow Americans without making points through TV shows each assumes the other has watched.
Weird, eh?
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Good example of cold read from the movies—with commentary
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Where the fuck is King A? He ran off right when shit got serious with the tokens of appreciation thing.
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Another entry in women hate hate hate betas.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/cop-issues-speeding-ticket-asks-driver-date-she-002427538.html
This cop’s behavior and note are cringe-worthy.
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i gotta say, dealing with quinns and rachels and santanas is better than dealing with coach beistes…
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This is super gay. But it works. It’s just really oldschool tech like “can I get a female opinion?” from back when PUA was more “I’m a dancing monkey – please approve of me” versus now where it’s evolved more to “go ahead, try to impress me”.
PUAs would get girls asking “are you gay??” all the time because of stuff like this where you’re sort of absorbing part of girls’ personality an mannerisms into yours. Guys would drop into valley-girl speak (“like omg totally”) and shit.
Thing is, it works. The girls would shriek “omg!!!” and be intrigued. Some guys even played the gay thing up all the way to fucking the girl, just to experiment with it lol
But PUA has evolved a lot since then, now we tend to focus on emphasizing the masculine side of things and making the girl qualify herself to us instead of emphasizing the feminine side of things and trying to fit into the girl’s world.
[heartiste: yareally, that’s an important distinction and game evolution. care to elaborate? i’m being sincere in my request. i wonder if both can’t be incorporated into a man’s game at the same time.]
So instead of wearing a feather boa and going “guys I totally need a girl’s opinion–(touch an elbow) omg you are SO the Samantha of the group aren’t you lol” you just wear normal clothes and go “hey, who are you? You’re cute, come here. (grab around the waist, pull her in) Why are you causing trouble, hmm?”
Best term for describing it that I’ve heard so far is speaking to the girl like “a man to a woman”. The old way, like this Glee routine, is speaking to the girl like “a woman to a woman”.
Again it works, I’m not talking smack about the concept itself. I’ve seen a buddy use “you guys are like the Powerpuff Girls” to consistently blow open sets of chicks like a fucking nuke going off, it’s retarded. BUT, consider how you want your vibe to come off to people in general before you run around using routines like this.
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“[heartiste: yareally, that’s an important distinction and game evolution. care to elaborate? i’m being sincere in my request. i wonder if both can’t be incorporated into a man’s game at the same time.]”
When PUAs first started figuring this stuff out, we approached it in terms of value like: “she’s up there, I’m down here, but I’m going to trick her into thinking I’m on her level (evil laugh)” Thus the original intention behind negs was to “lower the girl’s self-esteem”. It was socially crippled nerds attacking social elites in Hollywood parties and stuff, not a decent looking dude in a nice shirt hitting on a 7 at his local pub.
But while this TOTALLY worked, it caused a lot of the problems people associate with PUA stuff today…negs being used to “lower a girl’s self-esteem”. Guys painting their nails black and wearing fuzzy boas to peacock. Guys coming across as effeminate with their Sex in the City cold reads. Guys being dancing monkeys trying to keep the conversation going so the girl won’t leave as soon as he runs out of things to say. It also meant holding back on intent and being mainly indirect.
Now a lot of people still think PUA today is like this, which is unfortunate. That’s why people busting on PUA stuff annoys me, they’re busting on shit that was popular during The Game’s era, but it’s changed.
Now we look at the value like: “I’m a man, she’s a woman, we’re both on the same level. But I know what I’M offering, so I’m going to give her a chance to show me what SHE’S offering.”
This is really important because now when you look at it from that perspective, does it seem congruent to be using harsh negs on 7s? Does it seem congruent to peacock ridiculously? Does it seem congruent with being the same value as her to keep blabbing and throwing out Powerpuff Girl routines trying to keep her attention? Hell, does it seem congruent to go in sneaky and indirect under the radar?
Or would congruence to being on the same level look more like dressing normal, but your best with maybe a little peacocking here and there (a necklace, wearing a tie when other people are wearing t-shirts, etc.), approaching her offering value and fun and good emotions, and directly letting her know what your intent with her is and letting her know you’re interested early on?
The biggest difference to an outside observer between the two mentalities is that the first guy looks like a gay guy who knows Glee characters, and the second guy looks more manly alpha. It’s a lot easier to express yourself as a man and to treat a woman like a woman when you’re in the mindset of a man embracing his masculinity instead of acting effeminate, even if that can work.
As for combining the two, I’d like to say you can combine them, but you have to change the tone of things. You could do the Glee cold read, but you’d have to act totally disinterested in the show and blame a former GF for making you watch it, and throw the observation out as a casual thought like saying “you remind me of a friend back home…huh. weird.” VS “like omg, you are totally the Samantha of the group lol” It can show a playful side to your James Bond exterior to be able to deadpan something like that.
But at the end of the day it comes down to congruence. If you legitimately LIKE shows like Glee, fuck, do it up, it’s going to be congruent to your “manliness”. If you don’t, then it’s going to come off incongruent and akward. She doesn’t have to know WHY your vibe feels “off”, she just has to feel that it’s off to bail.
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i caught my boyfriend watching glee a couple of times. i think he knows who’s who in gossip girls too 😦
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Can’t get behind this one at all. .
Can you see Humphrey Bogart using some BS like this? Only if he was into boffing the mildly retarded junior college set.
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Then you haven’t watched any achromatic movies from his era where the seasoned player is seducing a young chickenhead with playful childish charms. In that era the poets described the antics of young people in love as “gay.” The word meant much more than just “happy.” You dig?
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I have a feeling I’m really lucky to have no idea what Glee is. I don’t watch TV just old ’70’s and 80’s shows on hulu.
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Never-ending adolescence has infected both sexes. In fact, I’d argue women have assumed the mantle of perpetual adolescence in far greater numbers and with greater intensity than have men
This problem is exacerbated by the fact that female life is effectively over by 35. They can no longer breed and are ugly. Like the butterfly who lives a brief life, a woman’s life is really just from 18-28… meet, marry, make life. If they squander this time, so they squander their entire lives. Men can blow their 20’s and 30’s and bounce back in their 40’s.
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http://www.skepdic.com/Hyman_cold_reading.htm
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If a girl says that I’m just like “Have you Seen TV?!”. A dude probably just has better things to do.
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A better show to pick? Gossip Girl. Hot girls, hot guys, and the hot girls are the ones guys want to bang in real life. (You know who Blake Lively is.)
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