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Another Game Theory Vindicated By Science

January 6, 2012 by CH

Yet another vindication of game theory as espoused on this blog has emerged from the scientific social laboratory.

Back in this post, it was noted that to successfully navigate the comfort stage of seduction requires not only more listening than most men typically do, but an improvement in how one goes about the process of listening. You’ve got to not just listen more, but listen better, if you want to forge that all-important “connection” that women love so much.

Now a study has come out (from one of my favorite blogs) showing that you can improve your listening skills dramatically with a very common — and some would say devious — game tactic known and used by salesmen and Presidents alike. And by “game”, I am using the broader definition of the word that includes general social skills along with seduction skills. The scientific term for this game technique is called non-evaluative listening.

We can achieve real communication and avoid this evaluative tendency when we listen with understanding. This means seeing the expressed idea and attitude from the other person’s point of view, sensing how it feels to the person, achieving his or her frame of reference about the subject being discussed.

This may sound absurdly simple, but it is not. In fact, it is an extremely potent approach in psychotherapy. It is the most effective way we’ve found to alter a person’s basic personality structure and to improve the person’s relationships and communications with others. […]

We know from research that such empathic understanding—understanding with a person, not about her—is so effective that it can bring about significant changes in personality.

If you think that you listen well and yet have never seen such results, your listening probably has not been of the type I am describing. Here’s one way to test the quality of your understanding. The next time you get into an argument with your spouse, friend, or small group of friends, stop the discussion for a moment and suggest this rule: ‘‘Before each person speaks up, he or she must first restate the ideas and feelings of the previous speaker accurately and to that speaker’s satisfaction.’’

You see what this would mean. Before presenting your own point of view, you would first have to achieve the other speaker’s frame of reference. Sounds simple, doesn’t it? But if you try it, you will find it one of the most difficult things you have ever attempted to do.

Get that? Basically, just *repeating* a person’s ideas and feelings back to her from her frame of reference makes her like you more, and makes her feel like you know her bettter.

For example, how many times have you heard Obama restate an opponent’s ideas before launching into a totally opposite conclusion that benefits his agenda? Say what you will about him, Obama is a master salesman at selling himself. And that is the crux of gaming women — you’ve gotta sell yourself by manufacturing connections with your audience that may not, in fact, logically or rationally exist. This is high level manipulation of the mind stuff.

I think you can connect the dots and see how this would apply to seduction game. When you repeat a woman’s words back to her — not necessarily verbatim, but similar enough that there’s no risk she’ll misconstrue your restatement  — you enhance the rapport you have with her. She will start thinking to herself “this guy GETS me”. You know how bad the “he doesn’t get me” rejection is? Well, that’s how good the “he GETS me” connection is.

And once you’re in that red zone of a woman’s mind, a touchdownthere is only a flea flicker away.

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On a related note about scientific studies proving the validity of game, a few readers questioned the relevance of the study in this post to game. Specifically, they expressed doubt that male sociosexuality was a good proxy for game. Here is the important passage:

men’s sociosexuality was attractive to women and showed incremental validity over and above men’s physical attractiveness (see Table 3)…

Interestingly, there is evidence that all these [male attractiveness attributes] can be accurately judged in short periods of time…

However, only sociosexuality added incremental predictive power over and above physical attributes in the current study. Unexpected was that sociosexuality emerged as a relative powerful predictor of men’s popularity to women, particularly because women largely expressed a long-term mating interest. A possible explanation is that male sociosexuality indicates a history of successful mating experience or mating skills that are attractive to women.

High male sociosexuality is essentially high male predilection to have emotionally unattached, or as the scientists call it, unrestricted sex. Men who have high sociosexuality (HSS) are more attractive to women because the suite of characteristics associated with HSS suggest prior experience bedding women and possession of mating skills that attract women.

It’s akin to a form of preselection for men, minus the actual women he’s banging being physically present at his side to aid in the alpha judging process that all women, consciously or not, impose on their suitors.

In a very loose sense, high male sociosexuality is male sluttiness. (I say “loose sense”, because sluttiness need not necessarily entail indiscriminate promiscuity.)

Male sluttiness is not equivalent to female sluttiness. It is more difficult for a man to be slutty that it is for a woman owing to the discrepancy in worth between sperm and egg, so people justifiably perceive male sluts to have higher quality mate value, and higher quality mating skills, than female sluts for whom the act of sexual conquest is merely synonym for being easy.

Thus, male sociosexuality is a good proxy measure for game acumen. A man with HSS is a man who likely has tight game.

And thus, the study results confirm the validity of game when its conclusions find that male sociosexuality is a relatively powerful predictor of attractiveness to women, even to women looking for long-term relationships.

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It’s vital to readers to get this scientific information validating game out there, because there are a lot of doubters and haters who are blinded by what they won’t see. Sometimes, men need to know that there is an experimental foundation supporting all these seduction techniques and peculiarities of female behavior. It’s not necessary to know this stuff to start gaming chicks out in the field right now, but for men with a cynical bent or shy disposition, it helps to know that there are rules that govern human interaction. It may be the boost they need.

And a moment of candor. This blog is first and foremost a source of self-amusement, but it is also a true and real desire to teach and to see men succeed sexually and emotionally with women. Men who become better at attracting women increase their options in the mating market. Men with increased options cause women to behave better. Women behaving better redounds to the benefit of families, and to society.

And by “behave better”, I mean the whole panoply of awful modern female behavior: cheating, cock carouseling, divorcing on a whim, eat pray loving, straycationing, spinstering, attention whoring, voting and fattening up into repulsive dirigibles.

If the readers are just going to soak in the Chateau posts, follow up by playing a few hours of video games, and then hit the sack feeling like they really know women without actually putting any of the advice here to real world use, then this blog is failing in one of its missions. The time to ungrip your joystick is now. The time to get out there and strike up a conversation with the girl standing at the intersection is yesterday. You know what to do.

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  1. on January 6, 2012 at 2:46 pm Rocket

    I really like the direction you’ve taken the blog so far this year. Over the last few months the focus on more academic and politica– no fuck this I’m going sarging.

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    • on January 7, 2012 at 8:03 pm Ben

      Ha. I like it.

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  2. on January 6, 2012 at 2:48 pm Sidewinder

    Couple comments – on your first point about evaluative listening: I find that men are much more capable of this kind of empathy than women. The hamster gets so loud in their head that they often cannot understand plain english. For this reason, I second your prediction that utilizing this skill would impress a female. But like anything, HOW you do it could either project clingly rapport-seeking, or confident conversational mastery.

    Sociosexuality – is this really male sluttiness, or another word for general sexual pre-selection? I’m not arguing, i’m just curious as to the actual definition. For example, principles of hypergamy would suggest to me that a man who was known for having apparently monogamous relationships with beautiful women would fare better than the same guy who indiscriminately beds lots of girls.I would think that a man’s confident in being selective would up his market value.

    Getting out there and doing it – I’m on it. Your principles will be put into action in a midwestern city tonight.

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    • on January 6, 2012 at 3:06 pm A.B. Dada

      “I would think that a man’s confident in being selective would up his market value.”

      Increase preselection by LJBF’s the hot-but-crazy gals you know, and tell the attractive-but-sweet gals that those gals are just friends because they’re batshit insane.

      It also makes the hot-but-crazy broads want you more, and you can keep them around for those periods of oneitis setting in.

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      • on January 6, 2012 at 5:31 pm King A

        Off topic: Do you still have that writing project you wanted me to look at (a few posts back)? I e-mailed your gmail account for the connect.

        Even further afield: Here’s hoping there is a robust forum on the party deck of the new, purportedly “offshore” Chateau. Filtering all conversations through the moderator is unorganic, the worst kind of top-down bureaucracy, like government dirigisme vs. free-market laissez-faire, post office vs. FedEx, or Windows OS/browser vs. open-source.

        I’m the idea guy, the rest of you ambitious types have to execute, because I’m otherwise occupied and/or lazy. If and when I set up a site (under a different name), it will be a gang-blog with lightly-moderated commentary and an upwardly mobile ranking system. If the Chateau is smart, that’s what he’ll set up offshore.

        …

        Bah, I redacted the idea. I almost just published the next Facebook concept anonymously on a blog commentary! I am apathetic in this matter, almost so apathetic that I became momentarily careless.

        Suffice it to say, I have a surfeit of insight and a dearth of the sublimated beta-energy that drives nerds like Gates and Hawking and Tchaikovsky to their accomplishment, channeling their efforts into creativity because the sexual outlet is foreclosed to them. I don’t mind being the modestly-compensated Winklevoss twins as long as some twitchy Zuckerberg gets off his ass and makes it a reality. I have bigger fish to fry.

        Good luck with the reboot, Heartiste.

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      • on January 6, 2012 at 10:47 pm The Shocker

        I wonder what you’d be like without the delusions of grandeur

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 11:42 am Southron

        Give ’em hell, King A. You’re shootin’ off sparks just passin’ thru the room. Testify.

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    • on January 6, 2012 at 4:31 pm Lara

      A man with a higher partner count would be more appealing to me than one who is selective. Other women might feel different.

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      • on January 6, 2012 at 9:36 pm Renee

        I do….

        Thus, male sociosexuality is a good proxy measure for game acumen. A man with HSS is a man who likely has tight game.

        And thus, the study results confirm the validity of game when its conclusions find that male sociosexuality is a relatively powerful predictor of attractiveness to women, even to women looking for long-term relationships.

        But men with HSS aren’t idea for long-term relationships due to the risk of infidelity….

        [heartiste: that may be true, but the study shows that even women specifically seeking LTRs were more attracted to the men with high sociosexuality. here is where you could argue that women are their own worst enemies.]

        Unless once married or in a LTR they’re able to put an end to all unrestricted sex (which I doubt).

        [men with an itch for variety can put it on hold for a while, but it costs them more in peace of mind and happiness than it costs the more beta of men.]

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      • on January 8, 2012 at 8:56 am Blog Sluts

        Whenever I’m backed into a corner over my obvious history of “catch and release,” I claim I want a LTR, but hopelessly fail despite my efforts and unlucky mishaps. Help soon arrives via various favors and a kind of pity sex in fact.

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 1:12 pm Whitehall

        I’ve been seeing a string of newly divorced women, usually in their early 40s for 20 years now. I don’t brag about my long and extensive sexual experience but I do let it be known from early on that I’m the man who knows what to do and how to handle a woman in bed.

        My high partner count always impresses. It seems to both show pre-selection but also sexual mastery. The latter puts women at ease since they can let me do the driving. It’s worked for 20-somethings too.

        One little joke I make when I first undo their bra – “Ah! A type II clasp.” Women LOVE that one!

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 8:06 pm Ben

        “One little joke I make when I first undo their bra – “Ah! A type II clasp.” Women LOVE that one!”

        Jeepers creepers. I died a bit on the inside reading that.

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      • on January 8, 2012 at 9:01 am Blog Sluts

        I’m stealing the bra quip playa.

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    • on January 6, 2012 at 4:40 pm Lara

      Beautiful women are great, but they are still just women. There isn’t that much difference between us, when it comes down to it. I feel like a man who had been with many women would understand that.

      [heartiste: you’re basically right about this. women as a sex do share certain temperamental and personality traits, as well as ways of perceiving the world around them, and what they find most desirable in men.
      however, a case can be made that beautiful women and plain or ugly women differ in some notable respects, and that this difference is directly attributable to how each group is received by men.
      similar to how beta males often wind up bitter and malcontent because of the repeated failure with women they suffer through the course of their lives, plain janes and fugs tend to be more cynical, sluttier and antagonistic toward male desire. but unlike innate sex characteristics we all have upon conception, these kinds of differences are learned from experience, good or bad.]

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      • on January 6, 2012 at 6:10 pm King A

        Lara wrote:

        Beautiful women are great, but they are still just women. There isn’t that much difference between us, when it comes down to it. I feel like a man who had been with many women would understand that.

        The ennui of success. Try telling one of these “sarging” strivers that the objects of their game efforts are interchangeable and ultimately, in the aggregate, mundane. A world-beating rich man isn’t motivated once he attains the object of his desiring, unlike the young comers who dream of stacks n stacks n stacks of benjamins. Same with chasing skirts.

        Enjoy’d no sooner but despised straight,
        Past reason hunted, and no sooner had
        Past reason hated, as a swallow’d bait
        On purpose laid to make the taker mad;
        Mad in pursuit and in possession so;
        Had, having, and in quest to have, extreme;
        A bliss in proof, and proved, a very woe;
        Before, a joy proposed; behind, a dream.

        Here’s the secret. It’s never as sweet as you dream it will be. St. Augustine calls it concupiscence, the false promise of lust, and the subsequent melancholy once the object of our lusting is obtained. Over and over and over, upon arriving indisputably to the top of their field, men feel that almost-suicidal pang of Is that all there is? “A man who had been with many women would understand” that “beautiful women are great,” but so is fly-fishing. It’s the hardest concept to get across to rising journeymen, who violently reject the possibility that the animating principle of their efforts — their unprecedentedly exhilarating efforts with tremendous returns — could be as pointless as any other obsession. Psychological dabblers regard this as “the journey being sweeter than the destination,” but the truth is much deeper and much darker than that feckless cliché.

        Fecisti nos ad te et inquietum est cor nostrum donec requiescat in te.

        Yours is a very astute point, Lara. It’s one that is almost always discovered through experience, which tells me you know whereof you speak. Women are intuitive, they can sense the poseur even if they can’t always articulate the source of his fakery. Men of accomplishment, and the vibe they give off, are not what the naif expects. But a woman detects this truth subrationally: all of her instincts are poised for this detection from the first stirring of her womanhood. Meanwhile the mimic-monkey fools no one but his fellow poseurs (I’m looking at you “seduction industry”) and, worst of all, himself.

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      • on January 6, 2012 at 11:34 pm n/a

        “Is that all there is?”

        Those who have this thought, besides trading in scandalous cliché, are unworthy of either great achievement or great pleasure.

        To push my cock against the skintight black whorepants of some sweet young thing is more satisfying now than it was when I was too young to realize just how good it can be. To be fucking some beautiful slut, dead sober, and taking my time, with nothing in my mind except to be lost in this animal triumph, is better than ever.

        Those for whom ecstasies so easily pale are unimaginative dolts.

        This is not even to speak of the purely male pleasures after she’s tossed into the cab. The long hot shower, alone; that soft robe; drinking something old that makes you wince, and staring out into the night.

        “Is that all there is” – is cowardice and stupidity.

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 4:42 pm Anon

        ““Is that all there is” – is cowardice and stupidity.”

        Golf clap!

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 6:31 pm xsplat

        Prose poetry.

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      • on January 8, 2012 at 9:05 am Blog Sluts

        All there is? It’s just the beginning.

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 2:26 am jez

        King A: one of the very best posts I’ve read anywhere, in a long time.

        Years and years ago, I finally realized that the anticipation is usually the best part. And I don’t mean just with women. Nearly everything you ever look forward to will, once attained or experienced, be a bit of a disappointment. Mundane, as you said.

        Everything is temporary. Everything in unsatisfactory. Everything is devoid of selfhood. It sure makes you resistant to advertising.

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 6:32 pm xsplat

        Antidepressants might help you with that.

        Satisfaction is possible and even relatively sustainable.

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 11:44 am YaReally

        “Try telling one of these “sarging” strivers that the objects of their game efforts are interchangeable and ultimately, in the aggregate, mundane.”

        We’re aware, thanks.

        P.S. Fuck, you’re a tool.

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 12:57 pm Whitehall

        Both Lara and King A offer important insights yet miss a complication.

        Male lust can be satisfied for a time, if only hours or short days, depending on age and sex drive. Yet, in the healthy, it comes back as strong as ever. A rapid secession of women does indeed tend to make them blend together as mere interchangeable sperm buckets. But even that run satisfies the male impetus for semen broadcast. Does the prize breeding bull complain?

        Yet dull monogamy seldom satisfies and usually results in an emasculated half-man best lashed to the plow.

        One of Jesus’ parables illustrates the point. When he changed water into wine, he did so half-way into the party. The surprise was that the custom was to serve the good wine first, then as the senses dull, switch to the cheap stuff. But no, Jesus created GOOD wine, late in the party! What a guy! (Believe it or not, but I was taught that in Sunday School.)

        Even though I am well on my way to 200 over my 46 years of sexual experience, I space them out, and savor them as individuals, even in FFMs. Yet, they all spread, they all lubricate, and they all squeeze.

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 3:22 pm Marellus

        King A.

        You mentioned St Augustine. Do you still think he is relevant in theological circles today ? Especially in the more fundamentalist ones ? From the little that I understand of him, I know there are a quite a few modern religious quacks leaders that would be uncomfortable with his written work.

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      • on January 10, 2012 at 11:01 am King A

        The whole human understanding of metaphysics is contained in the conversation between Augustine of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas. So, no, it doesn’t matter what the latest trends in “theological circles” are.

        Who cares what “quite a few modern religious quacks leaders” think? Veritas Christo et Ecclesiae, especially the veritas. What matters is what is true. Sola scriputra, the entire justification for fundamentalism, is self-refuting. That they are “uncomfortable with his written work” is a feature, not a bug.

        You rising betas ought to add St. Augustine’s Confessions to your syllabus. Gus was AMOG-hedonist as fuck before he encountered The Alpha, when he stopped frittering away his natural alphatude on frivolities and dedicated them to the only worthy cause. Which is why we still speak of him seventeen centuries later, whereas the tunic-chasers of the fourth century have returned to dust.

        “Da mihi castitatem et continentiam, sed noli modo…”

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 7:26 pm Maya

        King A,

        “Women are intuitive, they can sense the poseur even if they can’t always articulate the source of his fakery. Men of accomplishment, and the vibe they give off, are not what the naif expects. But a woman detects this truth subrationally: all of her instincts are poised for this detection from the first stirring of her womanhood. Meanwhile the mimic-monkey fools no one but his fellow poseurs …”

        So true! That’s why I believe it’s incredibly difficult to be a PUA (unless your targets are drunk and confused feminists). I don’t think it’s difficult to game someone you love but gaming girls with the intent to just pump and dump them is probably extremely difficult. Not to mention that you have to be a psycho who doesn’t mind deeply hurting other people. Few guys can do that (I hope …) and that’s why I believe that boys who read this blog in order to fuck as many chicks as possible will mainly be unsuccessful.

        ps. a while ago I was reading one of your comments about love but now I can’t find it again. Can you post a link? I realized that I’m a selfish monster and I don’t want to be like that anymore.

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      • on January 10, 2012 at 11:06 am King A

        All of my comments are about love, babydoll.

        P.S. It looks like I turned the entire comment section italic with one misplaced html slash. Let’s hope the offshore upgrade eliminates these stupid quirks that AOL had squared away back in the 90s.

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      • on January 6, 2012 at 9:02 pm Lara

        “plain janes and fugs tend to be more cynical, sluttier and antagonistic toward male desire”

        That would make sense, since they are never the objects of it.

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 8:11 pm Ben

        Ha.

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  3. on January 6, 2012 at 2:56 pm A.B. Dada

    Said it before and I’ll say it again: if you love video games and play regularly, make it a point to tear it down, unplug it and put it away every time you’re done. I know plenty of viable guys who are unhappily single because their go-to stimulation is the damned XBox.

    As for your latter point, preselection always works, no matter what the woman is like. Sluts and nice girls alike get excited when a guy has high social proof, so HHS should definitively work, even with the sweet gals a guy could marry.

    As to the primary point, I would say that I finally figured out how to listen in 2010 when a gal I was dating very casually (and was fully aware of who else I was dating) got on my case about my lack of listening skills, and I decided to prove her wrong by actually listening to her. I’d say that was the first time in years I’ve admitted to being wrong, and I “learned” to listen by specifically making myself repeat what others said, in my own mind, before responding.

    I try to converse now by saying “So what you’re saying is that you …” and following up during their nodding with “Well, in my opinion …” It does work.

    Excellent post. Every guy should put it to use, even if they’re just looking for a ONS. ASD is lowered when she sees you’re not completely out for yourself.

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  4. on January 6, 2012 at 3:02 pm Murray F. Rottencrotch

    Become heroes.

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    • on January 6, 2012 at 3:30 pm Firepower

      ur like
      the crotchety
      uncle elmer – haha

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      • on January 6, 2012 at 3:39 pm Murray F. Rottencrotch

        Why donchya come try me in real life, big maaaaaaan?

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      • on January 9, 2012 at 1:03 pm Firepower

        You OWE me.
        My attention has already
        given 20,000 extra hits
        on your nascent blog

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  5. on January 6, 2012 at 3:16 pm Halting

    I’ve been reading this blog for years, but I’m still a celibate gamma/omega that plays video games. So, yeah, we exist.

    Gotta say that not being too eager to please or to explain yourself has helped in the workplace, though.

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  6. on January 6, 2012 at 3:28 pm St

    Love the new voice

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    • on January 7, 2012 at 8:13 pm Ben

      I think it’ll only be temporary. Nice bit of variety though.

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  7. on January 6, 2012 at 3:29 pm Anonymous

    U.S. widens definition of rape crimes

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/06/us-usa-crime-rape-idUSTRE80519720120106

    “Until now, the FBI’s standard counted only forcible vaginal penetration of a woman as “rape.” The new definition expands rape to include oral and anal sex acts against women as well as men. It also says if a victim cannot give consent for any reason, the crime is a rape even if force is not used.”

    [heartiste: it would be funny if it weren’t so deadly serious. feminism is losing the battle of ideas but winning the battle of policy. how much longer can this disjunct between truth and policy go on before a rift opens in the polity?]

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    • on January 6, 2012 at 5:16 pm Anonymous

      @heartiste: the crux of this legislation that the MSM is glossing over is that even if consent is given or implied, it could still be considered rape if the supposed “consent” occurred under the influence of drugs or alcohol. In other words, any late night drunken hookup could be viewed as rape in the eyes of the law. As to your point, the disjunct can go on for decades so long as we have better and better video games, TV and film spewing out neutering propaganda disguised as entertainment, and willing buyers of US debt to fund entitlements. One word – Japan. One more word – freeters.

      [heartiste: femcunts want their cake and eat it too. they want to fuck when the urge hits, and they want to throw the men they fuck into prison when the opposite urge — regret — hits.]

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    • on January 6, 2012 at 5:20 pm T.mason

      [heartiste: it would be funny if it weren’t so deadly serious. feminism is losing the battle of ideas but winning the battle of policy. how much longer can this disjunct between truth and policy go on before a rift opens in the polity?]

      Remember, feminism benefits true alpha males too.

      Easier access to women and the beta males are shafted.

      [heartiste: early feminism benefited alpha males. the feminism we have now only benefits feminists.]

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    • on January 8, 2012 at 9:21 am Blog Sluts

      So now Uncle Sambo declares that a woman can be raped even if actual physical force is not employed. Court room proceedings will soon feature references to Jedi mind tricks. Subclause “not applicable to minorities. Uncle Toms and Herman Cains excluded.”

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    • on January 9, 2012 at 8:25 pm rickb223

      “U.S. widens definition of rape crimes
      http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/06/us-usa-crime-rape-idUSTRE80519720120106
      “Until now, the FBI’s standard counted only forcible vaginal penetration of a woman as “rape.” The new definition expands rape to include oral and anal sex acts against women as well as men. It also says if a victim cannot give consent for any reason, the crime is a rape even if force is not used.”

      Pay the hooker. Don’t beat the hooker. Be her best customer.
      I doubt you’ll ever have to worry about being accused of rape for a pump & dump.

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  8. on January 6, 2012 at 3:55 pm (r)Evoluzione

    A call to arms:

    “Men who become better at attracting women increase their options in the mating makert. Men with increased options cause women to behave better. Women behaving better redounds to the benefit of families, and to society…..The time to ungrip your joystick is now. The time to get out there and strike up a conversation with the girl standing at the intersection is yesterday. You know what to do.”

    Bravo. Bring it, H.

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    • on January 7, 2012 at 9:25 am John Norman Howard

      Bravo indeed… that one paragraph alone is worth the price of admission.

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  9. on January 6, 2012 at 3:56 pm Shawn

    Genetics can be a motherfucker:

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  10. on January 6, 2012 at 4:04 pm Stingray

    heartiste: it would be funny if it weren’t so deadly serious. feminism is losing the battle of ideas but winning the battle of policy. how much longer can this disjunct between truth and policy go on before a rift opens in the polity?

    A beast is most ferocious when backed into a corner. (Hat tip: Vox Day)

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  11. on January 6, 2012 at 4:05 pm MackAttack

    “For example, how many times have you heard Obama restate an opponent’s ideas before launching into a totally opposite conclusion that benefits his agenda?”

    He actually mistates his opponents point of view through the tired straw man. It’s probably why he’s losing support and popularity of the objective voter

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  12. on January 6, 2012 at 4:29 pm itsme

    no mention of ear sex, though, so that’s a silver lining.

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  13. on January 6, 2012 at 4:31 pm dice3510

    I am not an opponent of game,

    [heartiste: yes you are. just come out of the closet already.]

    but that argument above seems circular.

    You circularly assume a man with HSS must have tight game – which is usually* true, but the study does not prove it –

    [it’s not about proving that HSS = tight game. what the study proves is that HSS = higher attractiveness to women. the study never set out to “prove” that HSS is synonymous with game. that’s why i said HSS is a proxy for game, which is a reasonable premise considering the definition of HSS, its manifestation, and its impact on women’s feelings.]

    and then claim that because the study shows male sociosexuality is attractive, it also shows game is attractive. But this is only a legitimate conclusion if we presuppose, from wholly independent evidence, that the man with HSS must have had tight game.

    [since HSS is independent of other easily measurable factors in the study (looks, height), then HSS is reflecting male traits that would necessarily fall under the rubric of game. traits like charisma, charm, humor, aloofness, cockiness, etc.]

    *It’s also possible he was extraordinarily good-looking or something else.

    [HSS is a separate variable from looks. it’s right there in the study if you follow the link. after looks were controlled for, HSS stood out on its own as a contributing factor to female attraction.]

    But I do agree that the study shows the value of a specific game tactic: preselection. But not game in general.

    [no you’re wrong. the study shows more than preselection at work because game in general, and all the traits and techniques game embodies, CONVEYS preselection when there is no physical woman there to trigger the preselection module in the female participants. that is, men with high HSS were triggering the preselection filter in women THROUGH THEIR EMBODIMENT of game principles.]

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  14. on January 6, 2012 at 4:40 pm Deutsch

    Good post. It contains, in addition to the science, practical game techniques (which by the 2012 poll were most lacking on the site). Keep on like that.

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  15. on January 6, 2012 at 4:48 pm Wudang

    Very good finding. THis form of listening works very well. What is even more powerful is when you not only can show that you understand what she is saying but understand her better than she understands herself by putting into words the things she can not put into words herself and provide insights into her psyche in ways she is unable to herself. This shows that you understand her deeper than anyone else but it also demonstrates a sort of command over/power over her reality and a sort of need for you for INSIGHT and CLARITY which lead to DIRECTION because by understanding yourself and the world, which the woman now does through your ability to express what she feels and how she functions that naturally leads to where she should go. Insight, clarity and direction are male/yang qualities and as such are attractive in ways that are not just beta/understanding but also in an alpha sense or a sense that combines the two or bridges the gap.

    A lot of seem to be afraid to talk to women about all the emotional issues women want to vent about because they are afraid of becoming emotional tampons. I think this is wrong and that it is more about how you do it. When a woman wants to talk to me about an issue she has the first thing I do is listen in the article explains and preferably also going further and expressing what she feels/thinks/experiences better than she can herself. Once that is done I analyze her situation further providing even more male clarity and order (things get put in clear categories with clear relationships between them) and then I suggest a direction/course of action. Sometimes there actually is something to DO. Sometimes the direction/action is just to learn to accept/live with a particular situation in which case I will often say something about how she can best think in order to do that.

    Women tend to not like men giving them advice or being to analytical about things and have instead tried to teach men to be listeners and not advice/guide. It is true that when a woman wants to talk about something that bothers her she wants empathy and understanding in the way women give it to each other in order to feel better and until she has received this she is unwilling to take analysis or advice. So betas have learnt to take the role of other females in this sort of listening but don`t master the rest of the process. When I have first empathized properly I have never had anything but positive reactions to providing analysis and advice to women.

    Whenever I only listen in the beta way I always feel like their girlfriend and feel like their response to me afterwards is like the response to other girlfriends or beta males (oh your so sweat to listen etc.). When I add in the extra dimensions I have written about here I instead feel like she is reacting to me like a man. It feels like she is talking up to me like a daddy. She becomes feminine and vulnerable to me and extremely open to me directing or commanding her in any direction I want. I feel like polarity is there.

    There are male arch types that are attractive to women because they are seen as holding some sort of male power/authority and still are emphatic/healing and relate emotionally to her issues. Think about the role as teacher, therapist, spiritual guide/wise man and healer. All of these are characthers that women fall for and that combine some combination of empathy and care with male authority.

    If you combine THIS kind of listening to a womans problems with setting clear boundaries to how much you are willing to listen her issues you will not loose but gain attraction IMO. You can listen quite a lot but have A clear boundary to just how much.

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    • on January 7, 2012 at 10:23 pm The Shocker

      BTW I thought this was really good. I find there’s usually one or two comments on this blog per post that are very worth reading.. usually buried near the bottom.

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  16. on January 6, 2012 at 4:54 pm Maya

    “Basically, just *repeating* a person’s ideas and feelings back to her from her frame of reference makes her like you more, and makes her feel like you know her bettter.”

    Good idea. I do this subconsciously and sometimes just because I don’t know what to say. I’ve noticed that people respond with revealing more and more information about themselves.

    What about this example? (I apologize for using my own comment)

    I see.

    [heartiste: do you?]

    Can this be a good example of building rapport, too? (I’m not sure whether authors are using game – probably not – when replying to comments but this was quite effective imo)

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  17. on January 6, 2012 at 4:55 pm JGutts

    KUATO IS MY WINGMAN.

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  18. on January 6, 2012 at 5:05 pm Wudang

    A key reason why I said is so potent is that it provides command over/leadership over very deep intimate parts of her. If you are an alpha with good control of your LTR you will have great command over the depths of her heart and how she lives her life by virtue of her attraction to you and your leadership of her. But if you do not engage and provide leadership/alpha/yang/masculine direction to the deep emotional parts of her that relates to everything in her life as oposed to those who relate directly to you and your relationship, then you are leaving a big and very intimate and powerfull part of her without being touched by your alphaness.

    From reading on BDSM sites I have noticed that a many male doms require their subs to disclose nything they feel, think, have ever experienced, have exer felt or thought and all their current experiences and show him every email and sms. This they say is extremely potent because it creates and immense sense of vulnerability and openess to you in addition to depth of feeling. Vulnerability and emotional openess are female qualities that she loves to feel so in itself this makes her feel feminine. This also lets them lead her even in the depths of her soul which is immensly powerfull.

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  19. on January 6, 2012 at 5:06 pm A

    Studs vs. sluts.

    This has been posted here before, but it bears a repeat performance:

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  20. on January 6, 2012 at 5:12 pm The Shocker

    As a side note, the question of what to text those random numbers you picked up at the club has been solved:

    https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23afterclubtext

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  21. on January 6, 2012 at 5:12 pm a girl

    “Until now, the FBI’s standard counted only forcible vaginal penetration of a woman as “rape.” The new definition expands rape to include oral and anal sex acts against women as well as men. It also says if a victim cannot give consent for any reason, the crime is a rape even if force is not used.”

    [heartiste: it would be funny if it weren’t so deadly serious. feminism is losing the battle of ideas but winning the battle of policy. how much longer can this disjunct between truth and policy go on before a rift opens in the polity?]

    Sorry, genuinely, what’s the problem with this? Why is it wrong to call forced oral/anal sex rape?

    [heartiste: some of the definitional expansions are ok. unwanted anal intrusion should fall under rape. oral… eh i’m on the fence about that one. but sticking objects into holes has always been called sexual assault, which is different than rape.
    furthermore, nonconsent is sometimes a gray area. a drunk girl who has sex with a drunk guy is not rape, because just as she was too drunk to give consent, he was too drunk to understand whether consent was given.
    statutory rape is a whole other ball of shitwax. if an underage chick can’t consent under the law to an older man, how the hell can she consent to sex with a boy her age? the man’s age should, in a normal sane world, have no influence on the consenting ability of the woman.
    look, words have meaning. rape has historically meant nonconsensual and unwanted sexual penetration. now the word will be watered down and not mean as much because feminists have succeeded in expanding it to include things they don’t personally like, and it is pretty well known, if you can judge intention by action, that feminists loathe male desire, which makes their policy prescriptions suspect at best and laughably stupid and vile at worst.]

    I can’t see why there’s any reason to treat them differently under the law as vaginal rape – so why not give them the same name? And what’s the problem with saying it’s rape if the victim can’t give consent? Rape = non-consensual sex, no? Obviously if someone is passed out/too heavily intoxicated to think then you shouldn’t have sex with them.

    [what if she told the boys beforehand that she wanted to get drunk and screw?]

    I thought you guys were into getting women to agree to sleep with you – not sleeping with them whether they agree or not. So what’s the problem?

    [and this is where your true cunty colors show. tell me, cunt, why are you attempting to imply an equivalence between opposition to certain rape policies and the personal character of those who oppose them?]

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    • on January 6, 2012 at 5:33 pm T.mason

      look, words have meaning. rape has historically meant nonconsensual and unwanted sexual penetration. now the word will be watered down and not mean as much because feminists have succeeded in expanding it to include things they don’t personally like, and it is pretty well known, if you can judge intention by action, that feminists loathe male desire, which makes their policy prescriptions suspect at best and laughably stupid and vile at worst.]

      Yep. I would argue that they are not necessarily after the rapists per se but more looking to head into the direction of getting sexual predator lists.

      That is, have a list of “Rapists/Sexual Predators” nationally syndicated so that it can be easily discerned who is alpha and beta. Lumping general betas and with rapists would crush them.

      In forty/fifty years time the goal would be to blacklist men they don’t like on a national, if not international level.

      A little conspiracy theory, for sure, but the evidence fits for me.

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    • on January 6, 2012 at 6:07 pm Neecy

      And what’s the problem with saying it’s rape if the victim can’t give consent? Rape = non-consensual sex, no? Obviously if someone is passed out/too heavily intoxicated to think then you shouldn’t have sex with them.

      This is where I disagree HEAVILY. Sorry but in *these particular* instances (women being highly intoxicated and waking up the next day calling rape), women need to start taking more responsibility for their well being. Why should anyone take the word of a woman or person who has allowed themselves to become so heavily intoxicated in a particular setting that they cannot remember much or have passed out or cannot really tell you what happened?

      i can tell you as a woman I am never going to voluntarily put myself in a setting or situation where I am so inebriated and highly drunk/intoxicated that someone has the upper hand to take advantage of me or that I cannot remember anything that happened to me. This is the risk and chance a woman takes when she decides to get so drunk in a place where she is around strangers or men she may not fully know or be able to trust.

      Why do women feel its okay to allow themsleves to become so inebriated around strange men or in situations that have HISTORICALLY been the set-ups for non consensual sex?

      College campuses and such are a prime example. As a woman it really irks me that women want to do things to themselves that would or could cause them harm (getting so drunk they pass out, get sick, can’t remember anything) but want to be able to accuse someone of rape or non consensual sex while in that state.

      If a woman cares about her own well being, she will AVOID doing things (like getting so damn drunk she passes out and cannot defend herself or remember anything) or putting herself in situatoins that would garner these kinds of “rape” events. It seems college campus women have YET to learn this bc more than half of the rapes that occur usually the woman was highly intoxicated at some “party”. How is this fair to listen to someone that doesn’t care enough about their own physical and mental state when it comes to them calling rape?

      [heartiste: unfortunately neecy, your common sense in this comment will largely go unheeded by the people who need to hear it most.]

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      • on January 6, 2012 at 6:44 pm Neecy

        Well Heartiste it all boils down in some of these cases to women simply being more responsible about their well being. WOmen cannot expect to be taken seriously if they think they can do things to themselves like get so insanley DRUNK they pass out and then suddenly feel they can tell the law what happened to them and who raped them.

        In my eyes a person that allows themselves to get that drunk, doesn’t really care what happens to themselves, and if they don’t care why should I or the law?

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      • on January 6, 2012 at 9:20 pm Renee

        Why should anyone take the word of a woman or person who has allowed themselves to become so heavily intoxicated in a particular setting that they cannot remember much or have passed out or cannot really tell you what happened?

        I’ve wondered about this myself for the longest time…..

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      • on January 6, 2012 at 9:45 pm Miss_Fu

        Cosign.

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 3:59 pm Marellus

        Neecy.

        Here is a an anti-rape advert that Charlize Theron made in South Africa. What really irks me about this ad is :

        1) She posed for Playboy.
        2) She’s not averse to going nude in movies.

        And yet she now has the temerity to make an advert like this.

        And the way this ad is made, you can’t argue back. You just can’t. The argument is unbeatable. So you just avoid her like the plague … and I will.

        (And in the event that we should meet, and she does show interest, all I’m gonna do is give her a cucumber, some Vaseline, and a list of explicit instructions …)

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    • on January 7, 2012 at 5:38 pm Tyrone

      Feminism has been described here before as “Lesbian Liberation Theory.” Lesbians hate male desire because they covet its power over women but can’t have it. Feminist Jurisprudence is really about squelching the competition, as is the whole DV hysteria and sexual harrassment. Its about criminalizing your adversary at a fundamental level so as to give oneself a superior position in the newly defined moral code.

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    • on January 9, 2012 at 8:34 pm rickb223

      “Until now, the FBI’s standard counted only forcible vaginal penetration of a woman as “rape.” The new definition expands rape to include oral and anal sex acts against women as well as men. It also says if a victim cannot give consent for any reason, the crime is a rape even if force is not used.”

      “Sorry, genuinely, what’s the problem with this? Why is it wrong to call forced oral/anal sex rape?”

      What part of “the crime is a rape even if force is not used” are you having trouble with?
      Now it comes down to HER word, after she winds up regretting giving it up when she figures out she has been played. So unless you have her on tape yelling, “Pound that ass daddy!”, you could easily be looking at a charge of rape. Oh, and women would NEVER lie about saying they didn’t give consent.

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  22. on January 6, 2012 at 5:13 pm T.mason

    And by “behave better”, I mean the whole panoply of awful modern female behavior: cheating, cock carouseling, divorcing on a whim, eat pray loving, straycationing, spinstering, attention whoring, voting and fattening up into repulsive dirigibles.

    I agree with most of your statement but I don’t see how you can talk/game a woman into not voting on a consistent basis.

    Please explain.

    [heartiste: marriage basically turns a woman’s vote into her husband’s vote.]

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    • on January 6, 2012 at 5:24 pm T.mason

      [heartiste: marriage basically turns a woman’s vote into her husband’s vote.]

      That’s slightly different. I would like to see information, if available, of how voting patterns change with marriage as to test that assertion.

      [heartiste: that info is out there. i’m too lazy to look it up right now, but basically women vote more like men — that is, more conservatively — after they get married.]

      However, that’s not really stopping women from voting. Plus, voting is private, so no guarantees that the woman is actually voting with the man.(This is related to the above statement).

      [let’s not get too carried away analyzing this. the voting criteria was a bit of a jokey thing i added. but only a bit. i’m quite serious when i say that gaming chicks will improve marriages and make it more likely that women will vote like their alpha hubbies.]

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 4:02 am Mark Slater

        I have long believed that women who get good lovin’ tend greatly to be conservative.

        This doesn’t mean merely sex. Women bitterly married to flaming Betas, neglected playthings of players/operators, those riding the cock-carousel, or those not getting any at all tend to have a more liberal/statist outlook.

        Women happily devoted to strong men will be more conservative socially and politically.

        This could explain why Dr. A.B. Dada sees Libertarian Party functions as “sausage fests” and goes leftward for female action.

        http://townhall.com/columnists/janiceshawcrouse/2008/11/14/womens_voting_patterns_in_election_2008

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      • on January 9, 2012 at 8:42 pm rickb223

        “[let’s not get too carried away analyzing this. the voting criteria was a bit of a jokey thing i added. but only a bit. i’m quite serious when i say that gaming chicks will improve marriages and make it more likely that women will vote like their alpha hubbies.]”

        They realize that they have more to lose/be taken away by the government & given to the FSA. (Free Shit Army)

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    • on January 6, 2012 at 5:26 pm Anonymous

      [heartiste: marriage basically turns a woman’s vote into her husband’s vote.]

      Unmarried women would have a right to vote then?

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    • on January 6, 2012 at 5:39 pm Maya

      So, in your perfect world, a married couple would have only one vote? And single women one vote as well?

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      • on January 6, 2012 at 8:42 pm Anonymous

        Maya, why do you always have to be so fucking ignorant?

        Women tend to vote according to resources. A single woman tends to vote to have resources taken away from others (men) to support herself (and women in general). This is liberal-socialist. Married women tend to vote more conservative to prevent having resources taken away from her mate, which is to say herself.

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 6:19 pm Maya

        Thanks for explanation.

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    • on January 7, 2012 at 9:37 am John Norman Howard

      I’m not so sure…

      I would hope it was true, but in my experience, I’ve seen far more wives who just pull the (D) candidate automitonically… as if hard-wired robots for the alleged “people’s party”… with no concern for their husband’s… you know, the guy who actually provides for them… (R) sensibilities.

      So ironic… the hugest group of mindless consumers in the history of the planet can’t but help striking a valiant blow against the bad guys (aka, big business) producing said goods.

      What a cartoon world, this ‘democracy’.

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  23. on January 6, 2012 at 5:26 pm Barry

    This is why male social prowess is so damned important and why women usually want a popular and social man. Male sociosexuality IMO indicates what I am thinking of as that suite of attributes that demonstrate “metaphysical efficacy”. Women not only need physical strength (as they would have in the Paleolithic past). But they also need **Psychological Strength** because they are forever VULNERABLE!. Female vulnerability is the DEFINING element in a woman’s psychology. Therefore showing both skill at work and sociality demonstrates high value to women.

    Women really aren’t evil. The parameters of their psychology were crafted by evolution, as was ours…

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    • on January 6, 2012 at 7:59 pm Maya

      “… because they are forever VULNERABLE!”

      i don’t think that we are vulnerable forever. this feeling is fucking annoying and i really hope it won’t last. many middle aged and older women seem very powerful to me, not vulnerable at all, so this is probably one of the important positive aspects of getting older – you start to feel more powerful.

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 3:52 pm Lara

        “many middle aged and older women seem very powerful to me, not vulnerable at all, so this is probably one of the important positive aspects of getting older – you start to feel more powerful.”

        This is complete and utter nonsense.

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 6:25 pm Maya

        I don’t know. I’m around powerful women a lot. They are successful in their careers, very confident and they don’t seem to be “vulnerable” at all.
        By older I didn’t mean women over 60 or something – of course old people are not powerful … but in general, I believe that you build self-confidence and sense of power through years. It’s the same with men.

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 6:26 pm Maya

        “of course old people are not powerful …” (most of them)

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  24. on January 6, 2012 at 5:30 pm Anonymous

    Genuinely inspiring. Thank you.

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  25. on January 6, 2012 at 5:42 pm Anonymous

    I’ve heard this referred to as “active listening” and I think its pretty much effective for making connections with anyone.

    If women felt like their rights/concerns were being taken care of by men, would they even feel the need to vote? Its a chicken/egg scenario. I would give up the right to vote if men would actually take care of me. But, can they actually take care of me if I haven’t already given up the right?

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  26. on January 6, 2012 at 5:48 pm Nordic Lutheran

    As per the

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  27. on January 6, 2012 at 6:01 pm Mr. Roach

    It may even save lives. Look at the LA Fitness shooter or that Navy Pilot in Coronado; they both went on mass killing sprees because they had no fucking idea how to get laid and became more and more resentful over time.

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    • on January 6, 2012 at 8:03 pm kk

      https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/game-can-save-lives/

      A classic for the ages!

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  28. on January 6, 2012 at 6:06 pm Nordic Lutheran

    Last September when I stumbled on this blog I thought my days of dating were over; I was down on myself and just couldn’t figure it out. I had run into a few girls stumbling around in the dark when I was younger but as it had become, I was lucky to get one (internet) date a year. I’m 35. Taller then most guys but when you have no confidence it does not matter.

    So I started experimenting with game principals. It’s starting to come to fruition: now I have 3 dates coming up with a 24 yr old HB 6 (virtuoso musician/pianist, I have a weakness for them), a 26yr old HB 9 (6′ 160 lb marathon runner, not an oz of fat on her, never been with a girl that looks like her before, not even close) and a 28yr old HB 7.5/8 (teller at my bank, it’s hard to game a girl when she’s looking at a computer screen telling her how poor you are but I did it, damn it!).

    This is just the beginning for me but I know that even if none of these work out, I can find a “next” if I apply myself.

    I don’t want to rack up big numbers. I just want a decent girlfriend with whom I can travel and move toward a future. Now that I understand there are sets of skills for both attracting women and keeping them, I’m that much closer to the goal.

    I saw the light.

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    • on January 7, 2012 at 9:42 am John Norman Howard

      Good on ya, friend… and don’t forget, my Nordic brother, when you get to that future, be fruitful and multiply.

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      • on January 9, 2012 at 4:11 pm So, do the Zonk

        This is great. Proof that game is not about banging skanks in bars. It is simply practical realism about how women really are wired — all women, any woman. This all purpose tool can be used to be Casanova, or to find a decent girlfriend. It doesn’t matter. The truth is empowering. Congratulations.

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  29. on January 6, 2012 at 6:13 pm Wudang

    I am curious if marriage turns an extremely beta guys vote into a womans vote,

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    • on January 7, 2012 at 9:46 am John Norman Howard

      There’s a reason the maxim says not to discuss politics, especially with women… there’s already enough cause for resentments in a marriage… and too, there’s that other maxim about teaching pigs to whistle.

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  30. on January 6, 2012 at 6:18 pm King A

    Heartiste wrote:“Basically, just *repeating* a person’s ideas and feelings back to her from her frame of reference makes her like you more, and makes her feel like you know her better.”

    This is a good practice for rhetorics/communication in general. Good enough that I’m going to insist it from my interlocutors, because my conversational dominance allows me the opportunity of enforcement. It will be an interesting social experiment. I expect the female participants to simply not get it. At first. Until the browbeating (which they so dearly hate to love) kicks in.

    Thanks for the insight.

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  31. on January 6, 2012 at 6:20 pm Name here

    I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT I WANT TO SEE POLITICAL COMMENTARY. THIS GAME STUFF = SUXOR

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  32. on January 6, 2012 at 6:36 pm Anonymous

    Just going to note that while non-evaluative listening is really important for effective communication, it’s only a small component of game. I once convinced a girl threatening to break up with me by listening and understanding her complaints and gently bringing her around to my way of thinking. The technique was effective at winning the argument, it wasn’t effective at building attraction and I don’t think I actually banged her again.

    [heartiste: it’s not really meant as an attraction phase technique, although repeating ideas and feelings that a girl reveals actually *can* increase her attraction for a man. it’s better used during the comfort stage, where a lot of men stumble.
    it’s not really mean to win arguments, either. it’s meant to win desire and a feeling of connection.]

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  33. on January 6, 2012 at 8:06 pm Jug O` Punch

    if Obama is so good a salesman-the crux of game as you say-why did he end up with a reject from the cast of Planet of the Apes as a wife?

    [heartiste: end up? or chosen?]

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    • on January 7, 2012 at 6:58 pm whiskey

      Because Obama is … faaaaaaabulous????!!!

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      • on January 8, 2012 at 12:58 pm Anonymous

        He may very well be the next Pwez-O-Dent.

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    • on January 7, 2012 at 11:05 pm T.mason

      Uhhh, judging a woman about 10-15 years past her prime isn’t exactly stellar.

      In her 20’s she wasn’t too bad: http://a.abcnews.com/images/2020/ht_Princeton_081001_ssv.jpg

      About a 6-7 out of 10 in my eyes.

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  34. on January 6, 2012 at 8:10 pm lucien

    king a, do you have a blog ? if not, you need to start blogging. ch, rollo and your comments are the only ones really worth following these days.

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    • on January 7, 2012 at 4:48 pm Anonymous

      You forgot lucien.
      He got a lot of shit to say too.

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  35. on January 6, 2012 at 8:44 pm T.mason

    Off topic:

    Pointy Elbows Syndrome, visualized: http://i.imgur.com/zEGRZ.jpg

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  36. on January 6, 2012 at 9:46 pm Renee

    Women behaving better redounds to the benefit of families, and to society.

    And by “behave better”, I mean the whole panoply of awful modern female behavior: cheating, cock carouseling, divorcing on a whim, eat pray loving, straycationing, spinstering, attention whoring, voting and fattening up into repulsive dirigibles.

    I fail to see how a female choosing to not marry is an “awful modern female behavior”. Not all women and men are meant for marriage or want marriage. Not to mention that cheating isn’t strictly a female behavior (I’m sure you know that, you just grouped “cheating” with the rest of the examples because it was a quick and easy thing to do). There more I can say, but I don’t want to prolong it.

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    • on January 7, 2012 at 4:08 pm John Norman Howard

      Geez, does EVERY female comment on this site have to evince an assload of vapidity?

      Ladies, please self-censor the urge to bloviate along the following lines:

      1. Not All Women… (blah blah blah) That
      2. Men (blah blah blah) Too

      (sigh)

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      • on January 7, 2012 at 7:04 pm Laconophile

        Female talking points:

        1. Wow.
        2. Not all school buses are yellow, so it is wrong to say that school buses are yellow.
        3. I saw a white firetruck once. This proves that red firetrucks are just a false stereotype.

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      • on January 9, 2012 at 7:48 pm Renee

        2. I never said it was wrong to say that women cheat in and of itself. Just that cheating isn’t strictly a female problem.

        3. I never said any equivalent of this in my comment.

        But hey, you could be generalizing, and in that case, if it doesn’t apply to me, then I shouldn’t be bothered by it 😉

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      • on January 9, 2012 at 7:35 pm Renee

        All I said was that not all women AND men want to get married. Am I wrong, or do you really think that women not getting married is an awful modern female behavior???

        As for cheating, I said this: “I’m sure you know that, you just grouped “cheating” with the rest of the examples because it was a quick and easy thing to do“. It just happened that females were the subject, and at the end I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

        Relax.

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  37. on January 6, 2012 at 9:58 pm ANewHypothesis

    Game is one thing. But PUA on good girls who haven’t been corrupted by feminism, which includes most girls outside the cities of white countries, is wrong on many levels.

    Mystery’s thing about leaving them Better than you found them is just bs on the vast majority of girls. If you just stick to the club girls, then no problem, this doesn’t apply to you, though you are wasting your time and asking for herpes.

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    • on January 8, 2012 at 9:15 am x2d4d

      It’s mostly not the responsibility of the player to restrain himself. It’s the primary responsibility of the girls to take care of themselves and their families and communities to protect her. And some communities, I suspect, do just that and are hostile to foreign men.

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      • on January 8, 2012 at 6:59 pm Anonymous

        The hell it ain’t. If there is any sort of moral responsibility to anyone at all, it is not to ruin a society’s women. That players don’t do this because they don’t feel one isn’t surprising, much like it isn’t surprising some people rob liquor stores.

        But those people are dangerous and get locked up. Players should get the same exact treatment in a civilized society because they are uncontrolled social dangers. This one is too far gone to save, but have some respect to the other nations that aren’t totally lost yet.

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      • on January 9, 2012 at 11:31 am Maya

        “Players should get the same exact treatment in a civilized society because they are uncontrolled social dangers.”

        ??? (“Players” are not forcing anyone to sleep with them)

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      • on January 9, 2012 at 12:23 pm E.J.

        A man should be locked up for having sex with a number of consenting females? Really? Exactly how many sexual partners before someone is a danger to society? 2? 5? 10? Who’s keeping count exactly? Assuming this idea isn’t absurd (it is), how would you go about policing it?

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    • on January 9, 2012 at 11:03 am itsme

      good girls

      i don’t understand.

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  38. on January 6, 2012 at 10:25 pm Gil

    In other words, if she is talking about stuff that you have no interest in then you shouldn’t mentally zone out and go subjectively deaf?

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  39. on January 7, 2012 at 12:52 am Inlone

    Wudang, heartiste

    Thanks for the further clarifications about active listening. The original post had me scratching my head because, having been a beta/omega my whole life, I already was a ”good listener”. It got me nowhere. Problem was, I left it at that. So, it’s really about avoiding being an emotional tampon, but without the opposite extreme of ignoring her emotional communication entirely.

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  40. on January 7, 2012 at 2:04 am Anonymous

    Random Thought

    What’s with these guys new to guy trying to amog? Was out with some friends last night, one of them a HB6.5. She wants me bad but I’m in a LTR with another girl. Another guy tries to run some game on her, fails badly, see she’s still digging me, and then tries to anti-amog me.

    Effectively pissed the shit out of me. So I kneecapped him the rest of the night and kept the girl in my arms.

    How do I solve this in the future? Not afraid of this guy stealing her from me (she’s a nice backup), but I get annoyed when someone tries to blow me out of my own group.

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    • on January 7, 2012 at 10:31 pm The Shocker

      I had a guy come up to me because he knew the two girls I was with. He tried to AMOG, asked me some smalltalk question, I gave him a BS answer.

      His response was to say, ‘that’s funny, I usually punch guys in the face who lie to me.’ He then came up with some other small talk question.

      My response was simple: ‘you just said you wanted to punch me in the face. I’m done with you.’ Then held eye contact in a very relaxed manner. He said a few things, asked me a question. No response from me, just a stare. He backed off.

      The girls said, ‘I hate when that happens,’ but you know what? They secretly love that shit.

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  41. on January 7, 2012 at 2:29 am Daniel

    Haha “repulsive dirigibles”

    Btw, I had no idea what u meant by “eatprayloving” then I looked it up on Google and now I understand- leaving ur husband to “find yourself” (narcissistic behaviour)

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  42. on January 7, 2012 at 4:16 am jhosblat

    I greatly dislike feminism. I feel like being a beta And fighting for the betas against feminist fucks.

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    • on January 7, 2012 at 4:10 pm Eric

      Go into the law or academia business.

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  43. on January 7, 2012 at 4:34 am Codeazure

    Good article, cuts to the chase. “You know what to do”. Cue Mission Impossible music…

    I accidentally did the non evaluative listening trick a week ago, not realising what I was doing. It was very effective as mentioned.

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  44. on January 7, 2012 at 12:33 pm craftwilkerson

    Your moment of candor is a display of rock-solid inner game / alpha framing:

    (1) Your blog is meant to please/amuse yourself first and foremost, not others (alpha non-approval seeking, alpha selfishness, amused mastery of this blog)

    usual beta alternative: “I do this blog for you, so I hope you like it!”

    (2) It’s largely about getting laid (granted, getting other dudes laid) (alpha focus on sex/escalation)

    usual beta alternative: “Ultimately, this is all about connecting with a woman, not sex” or some such pander

    (3) It’s ultimately about improving women so that they meet YOUR higher standards for them (alpha choosiness/selectivity of women)

    usual beta alternative: “There are good women out there, you just have to improve yourself and your game enough to go win them over!”

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  45. on January 7, 2012 at 12:49 pm dice3510

    “yes you are. just come out of the closet already.”

    Now, that’s just irritating. Why would I lie?

    [heartiste: because you can. your ip hails from an eastern european location, similar to the ip locations of other commenters who have suspiciously expressed nearly identical anti-game sentiments as you have here. of course, you are clever enough to concern troll first — i.e. “i read and benefit from game, but here’s the problem” — yet in the end you cannot bring yourself to accept that science is proving one game concept after another.]

    A criticism directed at an argument in favor of a position is not equivalent to being an opponent of the position itself. As I am writing this, I am reading Roosh’s books and making a mental plan as to how I’ll be applying the principles in my life.

    I still am not sure I agree with you. Even though HSS and looks are separate categories, that doesn’t mean HSS can’t be achieved through great looks (since looks are a huge aid in getting laid).

    [one more time, since you can’t seem to let go of this typical anti-gamer hobbyhorse about looks: HSS was controlled for looks. it stood out on its own as an attractor of women.]

    And, game is not just about making yourself appear as an individual with a long sexual history. So, at best, I can see why you might see the study as validating the portions of game that deal with conveying preselection by women.

    [game is about making yourself more attractive to women. HSS is a legitimate proxy measuring those game traits that are known from experience in the field to be very effective at turning women on. yes, tactics and techniques that can be learned and mastered.]

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  46. on January 7, 2012 at 2:07 pm John Salt

    The non-evaluative stance works very well in the short term and is necessary therein. Long term interactions, however, require strong doses of the near-opposite approach. Slowly shaping a girl’s mind to reflect your ends builds in her a far more potent sense of “connection” (read: submission), but only after the slate has been wiped clean.

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  47. on January 7, 2012 at 3:31 pm anonymous

    RE: women later crying rape
    I heard from a college campus cop some words of wisdom. He said much of the campus rape claims he heard were from naive women who attract a man who seduces them into a consentual sexual act but then the guys abruptly leaves afterward, ignores her or never phones her again. These naive women then convince themselves (or w/ help from their man-hating girlfriends) that they were in fact raped.
    Sooo, one way to protect yourself fellas is to send the girl flowers the next day w/ a card, “thanx for last night, hope to see you again” If a rape charge is levied you can point to the florist receipt etc and proudly say, ” Your honor if it is was rape I would not have sent flowers. I’m just busy, I’ll call her later.”

    [heartiste: good advice. a small gesture of love — be it something material like brunch the next day or something emotional like a tender kiss the next morning — can go a long way to dispelling from her any feelings of regret that may later twist into evil false rape accusations.
    i mean, you just can’t rely on women to be moral creatures on their own, ya know?]

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  48. on January 7, 2012 at 3:36 pm Anonymous2

    “[heartiste: that info is out there. i’m too lazy to look it up right now, but basically women vote more like men — that is, more conservatively — after they get married.]”

    Yet, every right wing nation relies on betas more than anyone else. Men willing to die and kill to protect their women forge the pulse of history. The problem with feminism isn’t that it tames men, but that it ruins the entire purpose of doing so.

    Being beta wouldn’t be so bad at all in a state modeled after early 20th century fascist dictatorships. Or 1950’s America.

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    • on January 8, 2012 at 1:28 pm askjoe

      well, yeah, the host has mentioned that this country was founded by protestant betas (and not as an insult (and I’d like to think that the Catholics helped too). But beta-nation can only function when female hypergamy is punished. There’s nothing wrong with beta per se, it’s just that as the country and world swirls down the drain pipe, it’s better to understand the new rules.

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    • on January 8, 2012 at 1:32 pm askjoe

      although, like most Americans, A2 has no idea what fascist governments were, how they relate to right wing governments, or anything about 1950’s america. Nationalized Socialism wasn’t much different from regular old socialism in impact to the average prole, or to the millions who ended up dead because of those totalitarian systems.

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  49. on January 7, 2012 at 3:39 pm Marellus

    Heartiste.

    The type of empathetic listening you’re advocating : How does it differ from supplicating ? The latter is a big no-no in Game Theory, and there seems to be quite a fine line between the two. Can you elaborate ?

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  50. on January 7, 2012 at 3:51 pm McCracken

    You are so right about getting off your ass and going out in the real world to apply what you’ve learned. I discovered your site by way of Glenn Reynolds and read thru the entire archive. It’s taken the better part of eight months to retool my thinking about women. Along the way I made mistake after mistake (oneitis, pedastalization, failing shit tests, etc.). But thru practice I have made improvements to where now Im sleeping with a women who I would never thought I would have a chance with. What’s the key to success? I’ve found it to be irrational self-confidence, aloofness, agree and amplify (plus the effort spent in the weight room). All this doesn’t come overnight, especially if youve spent your entire life has a beta. But if you believe in yourself and you work at it you can change for the better. Last night was the first sex with this woman who I just met a week ago. After a the first round at 2 am she lays next to me and says “you must do this a lot to be this good”. I said “Thanks for reminding me. You’re going to have to hurry and get dressed and leave…my 2:30 girl is about to show up.” Two hours of sex later she finally went home.

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    • on January 7, 2012 at 9:45 pm Southern Man

      McCracken for the win.

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  51. on January 7, 2012 at 4:33 pm whorefinder

    Reality is anathema to the left.

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  52. on January 7, 2012 at 8:31 pm Prof. Woland

    Being in sales, I often use the technique described but I tend to use it mostly when there is a misunderstanding or I pick up dissonance from the prospect. Quite often I will hear two conflicting goals or opinions so I need to clear that up before moving on to the next step. The idea is to get a series of small clear yes answers so when the close comes it is just another small yes.

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  53. on January 7, 2012 at 9:15 pm Neecy

    Men who become better at attracting women increase their options in the mating market. Men with increased options cause women to behave better. Women behaving better redounds to the benefit of families, and to society.

    And by “behave better”, I mean the whole panoply of awful modern female behavior: cheating, cock carouseling, divorcing on a whim, eat pray loving, straycationing, spinstering, attention whoring, voting and fattening up into repulsive dirigibles.

    This just occurred to me reading this. I doubt these things will happen the way you predict. If you look at communities where men do fare quite well with the women and where the dating market heavily skews in favor of men having the pick of the litter, and where the MAJORITY of men are primarily PUA’s and Alphas in the dating arena you will find that the end result is *NOT* women behaving better, NOR “redounds to the benefits of families and to society”

    The Black community is a PERRRFECT example of how this will not work for those goals of having “women behave better” and “having better families for society” if men are able to become more Alpha in getting women. The reason the Black community is and has been such a shithole for the last few decades is b/c there are hardly any BETA males carrying it and holding it together. All the “men” do is screw a bunch of women, play women and game women. Of course that benefits men, but Black men tend not to care about their race/culture or what happens to it so nothing lost to them.

    But what about White males?

    Men having better and more access to women sexually results in less men settling down, more out of wedlock children, less stable communities (b/c less marriages have shown to cause less stable communities and children).

    While I can understand the frustration of the average White Beta male, I am not so sure Whites who want to maintain what is left of their stable families and communities (which only exist b/c of the WHITE BETA MALE) are ready to lose that.

    No more White beta males = bye bye to White family structures and communities. They have been the sole glue holding WHITE PEOPLE and White children, and White family structures together! and if encouraging more Beta White men to become Alphafied, that will be beneficial to only WHITE MALES at the expense of WHite families and society.

    Perhaps there is a different way for encouraging Beta men to fare better in the dating market as opposed to having htem completely cross over to th other side? I dunno…

    You have a prime example in front of your eyes of what happens when too many men become Alpha in the sense of PUA and Game – American Black Community. If WHites are ready to have thier children suffer & communities become the cesspool shitholes that most Black American communities have become – then ALPHA GAME ON.

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    • on January 8, 2012 at 12:40 am Neecy

      I Also want to add- the problem is NOT Beta white men. Beta white men are IMO unfairly targeted and frowned upon when it’s them who have held White people, families, and communities together.

      The REAL problem is (which no one wants to openly admit b/c its easier to blame beta white men for why they fail in the SMP) is western WHite women! Yeah I said it!

      The problem is spoiled western white women whom have grown “bored” and have a lack of real appreciation for the protection, lifestyles, stability and comfort that White Beta males have provided for them.

      It’s really sad that good men feel they have to change when its not them with the problem! I’m not saying beta guys don’t need to make some changes. But I don’t understand why such blame is placed on them 😕

      There is nothing “biological” about it. White women are simply bored with the abundance of beta men they gave and seek excitement in more jerky asshole men, b/c they are rare in comparison to the good beta white guy. PERIOD. The same way black and Latina women have grown tired of players and alphas and seek more beta men.

      Some people may be bothered by what I am saying, but OH WELL! It needed to be said.

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      • on January 8, 2012 at 6:29 pm Anonymous

        I tried to be a Beta male around black women trust me they would suggest there friends to you after making you *TRICK* Game is universal and doesnt respect race. Black women have the least tolerance for soft male.

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      • on January 9, 2012 at 10:26 am Neecy

        Anon,

        You’re right most women don’t want “soft” men. But “soft and “decent/good” are two different things (at least in my world).

        Beta doesn’t *have* to mean *soft* in all cases. Most Black women and latin women of all ages (younger and middle aged) are married or dating WHite men are with Beta types. These Beta types are not “soft” they are just decent quality men. Also, the women are typically more attractive than they are which gives a balance. That is b/c many Black women are not used to decent/good treatment and reasonable behavior from men.

        I do believe Beta men need to make some changes, but i don’t think they’re so bad and I certainly don’t blame them for why they fail in the SMP. They need to stop allowing shitty women to use them and they need to stop pedestalizing women b/c its not getting them anywhere.

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      • on January 9, 2012 at 7:28 am Gramps

        I agree. White beta males get the shaft from white women the same way darker black women get shafted by black men. Turning white guys into players won’t make things better, but learning game will. Then they can get laid more, at least, and avoid early marriage and especially marriage to the wrong girl. There are lots of wrong choices to avoid in marriage partners.

        A family friend right now is in her search for a husband at age 33, after spending her youth travelling overseas and in the last few years shacked up with an alpha, who, strangely, won’t marry her. She is in overdrive in her search for a beta to marry. Her mother has even spiffed herself up to make her daughter seem even more attractive as a marriage partner.

        This is precisely the strategy used by her mother, who, after playing around when young, decided to settle with a doctor, whom she gave 2 daughters and then finally a bastard son. We are talking about upper middle class women here. No better than trailer park trash.

        This attractive daughter has DO NOT MARRY stamped all over her to anybody who has been reading this or similar blogs.

        I think beta males, who are good people, need to insist on good behavior from woman if they expect to marry. In the old days, women would behave because they needed a husband to support them and their children. The problem in the black community, and increasingly in the white community, is that govt has supplanted the beta male as provider. The govt taxes beta males to pay for the fun and games of alpha males. Beta males only tolerate this state of affairs because they are ignorant of the game being played on them and, they have been socialized to be good team players and providers.
        Aware white beta males are tired of paying for the fun and games of black and white alphas and enduring the social breakdown that follows in their wake. Then, they call you a social conservative.

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      • on January 9, 2012 at 10:54 am Neecy

        Gramps,

        You’re soo right and i agree. beta guys biggest mistakes is that they don’t demand reciprocation and they give give give to women and people who don’t give a shit about them – until they need them for their *RESOURCES*. They need to stop playing the sucker. . yet people NEED beta guys but don’t want to reward them.

        And you are right. A lot of Western White women take advantage of their youth by sleeping with all kinds of Alpha men (OF ALL RACES – yet guilt WHite men who may try or want to pursue a woman of another race/culture who would appreciate him) and then when they are no longer appealing to most of these types (getting older) they start looking for that good ole Beta White guy (who is usually waiting in the wings with open arms and open wallett) who will marry them, give them White children and a better lifestyle than those Black, Latin and WHite studs would. And the beta guy does so with no questions asked. I understand why they do this b/c they have gone so long without female attention and affection they are just happy that someone is willing to be with them. But beta guys should (as you pointed out) demand better from women -especially ones that are set to benefit from their resources.

        And there is also an effort to keep Beta WHite men as the sole intended use of WHITE WOMEN, and no other races. I think that is wrong. If Young WHite women don’t wanna sleep with or date beta guys, why make them feel guilty for going after other races of women who will date and appreciate and give them some? lol That is why in the media you will see all kinds of celebrations of White women and Black men as couples and intimate partners and NONE or hardly any effort at showing WHite guys with other races of women. B/C Beta White guys are the meal ticket a lot of Western women who SELFISHLY want to keep for themselves so they can have them available later on when they need a few good WHite men to take care of them.

        The fact is Beta men keep the world thriving and turning. If people hate them so much, then i hope they hate the lifestyles and comfort Beta men provide for everyone b/c they channel that sexual energy into other productive things than women (b/c women wont sleep with them).

        I don’t think beta men are so bad, they just need to make some adjustments. I do believe Game conmcepts will help a lot of them avoid the pitfalls of being used by shitty women. I just don’t think they are the *real* problem in the SMP as much as they are the unfortunate beneficiaries of entitled, spoiled and overly pedestalized women.

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    • on January 8, 2012 at 9:21 pm E.J.

      LOL This is the typical female perspective which projects the decline of the black community on the men. Everyone who reads this blog already knows the truth in what I’m about to say, but let me put it to you as a brother.

      The real reason our community fell apart is because of feminism, black women choosing the government over their childrens’ fathers, affirmative action for women, and the widespread acceptance of “sexual liberation” (aka moral decadence). They’re hoes, take pride in being hoes, support entertainment that portrays them as hoes, and do not cultivate stable relationships with the men they choose to procreate with. Many of them have better jobs than the men they allow themselves to be inseminated by, and have no real prospects for a serious family. This has very little to do with black men being alpha, as most black men who fall under that category date outside of our race as soon as possible.

      Moving past blame, I want to address the heart of your post sister. It’s very important to understand that the majority of black men in urban communities are not “alpha males.” They’re betas who bed hoodrats, fat—I’m sorry, thick– women, and other basic females with below average market value that NO ONE from any other race would even talk to. The average black guy who fucks a lot of hoodrats is the equivalent to a white guy who only fucks slump-busters. What you’re calling an “alpha male” is actually bottom-feeder. I don’t think anyone from this site would look at a guy who fucks a lot of loud, fat 5’s and 6’s as an alpha male. This is not the result of game, it’s a culture of low self-worth.

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      • on January 9, 2012 at 11:35 am Neecy

        EJ

        RE FEMINISM
        That’s a lie. Black women never jumped on the feminism bandwagon – NEVER! Wanna know why? Cause they were too busy fighting Black men and Black people’s RACIAL battles. When feminists sought out Black women at the onset of the feminist revolution – BLACK WOMEN DECLINED! And Black women declined b/c they felt fighting for racial equality was more important than women’s lib at the time. That is why White feminists still hold some grudges against Black American women b/c they say we were STOOPID for not jumping on board. Even today you will find Black feminists but they are a very small number/group of women on average.

        I don’t want to turn this into a Black people thing on Heartiste’s blog. My main point for pointing to Black people was to show how they should as White people stop shitting on their beta White men b/c its them who keeps White people, communities, children and the world in part – THRIVING. In communities where there are no BETA MEN (Black communities don’t have Beta men b/c if they did it wouldn’t be such a shithole) you see the end result – American Black community. That is my main point. To simply appreciate what the White Beta male has done and DOES for his people AND THE WORLD who continually ridicules him and shits on him.

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      • on January 10, 2012 at 12:15 am E.J.

        This is factually incorrect. Just think about the math for a second. Prior to second wave feminism, black and white communities had similar marriage rates and identical rates of children being born to married parents. Suddenly, that changed dramatically, immediately following feminist legislation and Marxist ideology becoming popularized. Do you seriously believe an entire generation of black men just suddenly became super alpha out of nowhere? That doesn’t make sense. After thousands of years of being family-oriented spiritual providers, we all just became players at the same time, coincidentally around the same time as the feminist movement? Coincidentally around the same time the government started paying mothers to kick their fathers out of the home?

        Secondly, the feminist movement and the civil rights movement went hand in hand, both employing similar rhetoric and resulting in liberal policies like affirmative action (sold to black America, mainly used by females). What do you mean black women rejected feminism? Where do you think the term “strong, independent black woman” came from? No culture on Earth has a female population that embraced this nonsense more than the American black woman. Please do not try to re-write history now that the outcome is an obvious failure. Black America is a matriarch, and the result is disastrous.

        Also, and this is purely anecdotal, the majority of black women with masters degrees that I’ve dated identify themselves as “black feminists.” Most hoodrats probably aren’t familiar with that ideology, but they create and sustain matriarchal families to the same end. So yes, feminism (specifically black feminists and low income single mothers) are more to blame than black males being alpha males.

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  54. on January 8, 2012 at 8:45 am Blog Sluts

    My belief is that game is going to save the males. Awareness of the matriarchy serves a narrow purpose but I never really complain or foolishly pine for social conservative fascism. Womanly nature has told me the best way to handle a woman is to love her.

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  55. on January 9, 2012 at 11:58 am Doc

    “Male sluttiness is not equivalent to female sluttiness. It is more difficult for a man to be slutty than it is for a woman owing to the discrepancy in worth between sperm and egg, so people justifiably perceive male sluts to have higher quality mate value, and higher quality mating skills, than female sluts for whom the act of sexual conquest is merely synonym for being easy.”

    An amazingly accurate and perceptive description of the difference. I’ve always struggled to articulate this idea in words.While everyone understands the difference if they are honest with themselves, it was difficult to explain without going into more verbiage. This is short, concise, and accurate.

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  56. on January 9, 2012 at 5:42 pm Holden Caulfield

    In regards to one of the link’s Heartiste provided via his Twitter, here is an appropriate correction:

    “Men tend to be more dominant (forceful and aggressive) and emotionally stable, while women tend to be more sensitive [read: emotionally UNSTABLE], warm (attentive to others) and apprehensive, the study found.

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  57. on January 9, 2012 at 7:20 pm the realist

    women read reality from men, because men are better than women, especially the best men.

    A woman wants a man that is sure of himself, and sure that she is sure of him, then she is sure of him.

    A lot of the subtleties of game come in, especially in the long term, Because a woman is always trying to make sure a man is sure of HIMSELF and not just sure he is sure of her.

    This is one reason Men should never be jealous, at least not openly, because if woman thinks you think another man is better than you, then so does she!!

    if you don’t know you’re better than her, and better than other men. How can she??

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    • on January 10, 2012 at 7:41 am the realist

      sure of himself and not just sure she is sure of HIM

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  58. on January 9, 2012 at 8:52 pm Anonymous

    “The REAL problem is (which no one wants to openly admit b/c its easier to blame beta white men for why they fail in the SMP) is western White women! Yeah I said it!
    The problem is spoiled western white women whom have grown “bored” and have a lack of real appreciation for the protection, lifestyles, stability and comfort that White Beta males have provided for them.”
    And that beta males “need to stop playing the sucker.”

    I think that’s a good analysis overall, Neecy.

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  59. on January 10, 2012 at 2:10 am lushfun

    “If the readers are just going to soak in the Chateau posts, follow up by playing a few hours of video games, and then hit the sack feeling like they really know women without actually putting any of the advice here to real world use, then this blog is failing in one of its missions.”

    That’s pretty much what I do. I feel bad and you sort of cheer me up but it seems like fk it sometimes, well most of the time.

    A bit angry and cynical sometimes but it seems useless so I just go to my video games.

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  60. on January 10, 2012 at 11:46 am Forge Stronger Connections With Charming Conversation « Honest Introspection

    […] The top third of a recent Chateau post detailed a study showing the benefits of active listening. Researchers found repeating the spoken ideas of another will form a stronger, quicker connection. […]

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  61. on January 12, 2012 at 8:43 am Cuddlebubble

    there I closed the Italics

    You are welcome.

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  62. on January 17, 2012 at 8:47 pm alpha George

    that’s a very good post , I am a nurse by profession and we use that technique all the time speciallly with psychiatric patients, its called Therapeutic conversations. The goal is for escalating rapport so you could pump all that medicine without resistance and make them buy that rediculously expenssive prescription. I just wonder why is it still so effective to female nurses I often use that on, since they also studied that in nurse school they should know what I am doing to them, but it prives you were correct, girls still like it even if they know that youre seducing them….

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  63. on January 18, 2012 at 3:22 pm Carlito

    Well, your IX commandment of Poon is exactky that… connect with her emotions

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  64. on February 8, 2012 at 5:55 pm Have Game and stay out of a stalker journal. « Haley's Halo

    […] probably just didn’t listen the right way, not that he didn’t listen at […]

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