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Why, And When, Women Cheat

January 11, 2012 by CH

Alternate title for this post:

Game and science: Deeply in love!

Once more, from one of my favorite blogs, a study which catalogs the reasons women (and men) cheat, and confirms a few core Chateau concepts as well. None of the study results will be a surprise to regular readers.

We’ll compare the study’s conclusions to claims previously made on this blog. The first one is a doozy, as it validates the very foundation of game and male-female sexual dynamics as elucidated by yours truly.

1) Women who wear the pants in the relationship are more likely to cheat:

The imbalance of power in the primary relationship has been associated with infidelity. Edwards and Booth (1976) found that wives who reported that they “get their way” more often during disagreements were also more likely to have extramarital sexual involvements.

There ya go, fellas. If you’re a beta with your girlfriend or wife, you’re increasing your odds that your “better half” will surreptitiously spread her legs for the veiny cocks of strange men. And she will orgasm with them. Oh yes, she will orgasm. Hard, powerfully and pleasurably.

There are only two paths you can take to avoid that nightmare — the path of celibacy or the path of alpha. Which one sounds more fun?

Beta males cede disagreements with women all the time. It’s their knee-jerk response anytime a vagina talks to them. But women HATE HATE HATE that mincing sycophancy. A woman CRAVES the dominance of the alpha male who won’t take her shit and who will get HIS way more often than not. Beta males, slaves to their fear of loss, cringe at the thought of sticking up for themselves against women who hold the power of pussy over them, but that is exactly what the women in their lives want them to do.

As with all infinite truths, this one was nailed Luther-like to the Chateau doors a long time ago:

This is a revelation about the female mind that escapes the logical thinking of so many men — why would a woman want to be with a man like Cashmoney? Why would any woman willingly offer herself as a rentable hole to a man hawking her goods to streetside bidders? Because women want to submit to a powerful man. Whether that power comes in the form of a crooning emo rock star, a CEO, or a pimp daddy with fists of fury doesn’t matter. All that matters is the male power, and the tingly feeling of submitting – wholly, completely – to that power. Every woman, deep DEEP inside, wants to be “daddy’s little girl”.

All healthy primary relationships have an imbalance of power. But that imbalance needs to go one-way only — in the direction of the man wielding most of the power. The further the relationship veers from that ideal — that is, the closer it gets to equality and beyond into the horrid realm of the woman being more powerful — the greater the likelihood the woman will cheat, her heart filling with incoherent, growing contempt for her pussified lover.

The feminist battle cry for women to take up paychecks and “bring home the bacon” has been nothing short of a genitalcidal campaign against the sexual and romantic desires of beta males. Women who follow the feminist agenda of empowerment are consigning themselves to a smaller dating pool, and broken marriages, because they have turned their backs on their true natures — their will to submit.

2) An imbalance in education increases the chance of cheating:

…in a large U.S. national study of dating, cohabiting, and married women, Forste and Tanfer (1996) found that women who were more educated than their husbands were more likely to engage in sexual infidelity; but if the husband was more educated than the wife, she was less likely to philander. Level of education relative to that of the partner appears to be more important than absolute level of education.

Education is a form of power. Women who have more education — i.e. more power — than their male lovers are more likely to cheat on them. Conversely, when the man is more educated than the woman, she does not feel the stirrings of infidelity as strongly. Male power is a female fidelity guarantee. Men would be wise to focus on somewhat less educated women than themselves for marriage prospects. Women who have marriage in mind would be wise to avoid lengthy educational commitments. Again, the Chateau was on top of this a while ago.

3) Jobs have a lot to do with whether people have an affair:

Individuals who work outside the home while their partners remain in the home also express higher rates of extramarital sexual involvement (Atkins et al., 2001), perhaps because the work environment provides the opportunity and time to get to know coworkers (Treas & Giesen, 2000). In clinical samples, 46% to 62% of individuals reported that they met their extramarital sexual partner at work (Glass, 2003; Wiggins & Lederer, 1984). The likelihood of extramarital involvement is also related to the degree to which an individual’s job involves touching clients, discussing personal concerns with colleagues or clients, or working alone with co-workers (Treas & Giesen, 2000).

If you are a stay-at-home dad and your wife works outside the home as a personal trainer for rich businessmen, you may as well start ordering the paternity testing kits now and practice your nighttime cheek swabbing technique.

4) The timing of infidelity is predictable:

Among married women, the likelihood of extramarital involvement peaks in the seventh year of marriage, then declines; but among married men, the likelihood of extramarital involvement decreases over time until the eighteenth year of matrimony, after which the likelihood of extramarital involvement increases (Liu, 2000). Similarly, in a sample of couples in therapy for infidelity, sexual infidelity first occurred after an average of seven years of marriage (Wiggins & Lederer, 1984). Lawson and Samson (1988) reported, however, that the length of marriage prior to initial sexual infidelity is decreasing with younger cohorts. Certain developmental stages in a marriage, including pregnancy and the months following the birth of a child, are also high risk times for infidelity among males (Allen & Baucom, 2001; Brown, 1991; Whisman et al., 2007).

Don’t forget that women are also more likely to cheat when they’re ovulating. So if you just celebrated your seven-year wedding anniversary, and it’s two weeks past your wife’s menstruation, you need to hire a private detective as a gift to yourself.

Interestingly, but not surprisingly, younger marriages experience initial infidelity sooner than older marriages. The explanation is simple: younger wives are hotter than older wives, so they have more options in the sexual market. And since marriage is no escape from the sexual market, it makes perfect sense that infidelity is a more urgent risk with a younger wife.

The study also confirms some age-old wisdom that men are less trustworthy when their wives are pregnant or nursing. It’s the old “cold feet” syndrome that pushes men into the arms of mistresses who aren’t burdened with child, aka duties and responsibilities.

5) Most men that cheat claim to have a happy marriage:

…regardless of the many correlations between relationship dissatisfaction and adultery, Glass and Wright (1985) reported that among individuals engaging in infidelity, 56% of men and 34% of women rate their marriage as “happy” or “very happy.”

This doesn’t have anything to do with women cheating, but I thought it worthwhile to mention because it confirms yet another Chateau assertion: that men are capable of fucking more than one woman concurrently without losing that loving feeling for any one of them. Women, in contrast, tend to have to fall out of love with their man before they can comfortably move on to fucking another man. As the study shows, more cheating husbands than cheating wives are still in love with their spouses and thus sincere when they say that their marriages are happy.

There is a big sex difference at work behind this statistic. Men cheat because they desire a variety of pussy. Women cheat because they are unhappy with their primary partner. So for a woman, a necessary ingredient has to be that her current lover is not fulfilling her in some important way. But for a man, dissatisfaction with his current lover is not necessary as a springboard to cheat. Men are prone to cheat if the opportunity, and the guarantee of secrecy, are strong enough enticements, regardless of their love for their wives or girlfriends. That is why an unfaithful alpha husband is less likely to disrupt a marriage, while an unfaithful wife is more likely to end it all in divorce.

So, to recap, here is what you need to know to prevent your woman from cheating on you:

1. Learn game and become the alpha male that women need.

2. Do not allow your woman to wear the pants, unless it is in relation to some trivial point of contention that you let her win to demonstrate your big-heartedness.

3. Be more educated than your woman.

4. Do not, under any circumstances, spend time as a stay-at-home dad.

5. If your wife works, make sure it is in an occupation requiring little travel, where she will be confined to a sterile office surrounded by women and beta males. Any job where a massage table is involved is an example of a job you don’t want her to have.

6. Act a little more asshole-ish and unpredictable when your marriage approaches the seven year mark. Or when she’s approaching her monthly ovulation.

7. Failing all of the above, cheat first. She will smell it on you, and her love will grow in proportion to her fear of losing you.

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  1. on January 11, 2012 at 12:40 pm (r)Evoluzione

    Great post. No surprise that the Heartiste digs Eric Barker’s blog, as I do. Barker’s a keen intellect and has the bandwidth to process a lot of info, like most of the top cats here.

    The seven-point list at the end: don’t memorize it, embody it.

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    • on January 13, 2012 at 11:52 pm Anonymous

      Embody it… the Taliban sure do (and look how much trouble they are).

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    • on January 14, 2012 at 2:41 am Anonymous

      Check it, ya’ll… hypergamy in action…

      “I’m Cheating on My Husband and Loving It. Is That a Problem?”
      http://www.salon.com/2007/10/09/cheater/

      “I am a cheater. I’ve never had a boyfriend or husband that I didn’t cheat on. … I am also a “lapper,” in that I tend to start a new relationship while still in the previous one. …”

      Even the advisor columnist at ol’ liberal Salon.com is down on her doin’ dirt.

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  2. on January 11, 2012 at 12:45 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM)

    lzozozlzozozlzozo

    ummmm, why would a man
    want to marry a woman
    who worked for other men?

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    lzozoozolz

    is da bible it states:

    13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What [is] this [that] thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

    14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

    15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

    so like if your wife is working for other men when she should be maing you tuna sadnwhiches and tacos letting you lick her tuna taco and splloge in it, wtf is she doing in your house, beta buttboy? zozozozo

    Be Booty Call Not Beta BF/ Husband 1

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 3:51 am T & A Man

      From the new, *NEW* testament, did the book of Bernanke not say;

      1:14 Thy shalll taek they asscockning from a neoocn bankr from Goldman Sax, it rhymes with Tucker Max

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 11:10 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM)

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        between a owmen woman having gotten buttocked in colege
        and a woman
        buttcocking her future husband in divroce court for alimonies
        which she hand delivers to ben bernenake
        who gives her a cut
        so she can go back
        to da assocking da bernake coprate state
        introduced her to in college
        when tucker max hyrheyems iwth godlmans sax
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        in
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  3. on January 11, 2012 at 12:57 pm underwatercinema@gmail.com

    Alternatives? Fuck her so good, she won’t have the energy to think or lust after anyone but you.

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  4. on January 11, 2012 at 12:57 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM)

    boyz just rememebr

    if yu marry a girls chick with studnet debt

    you are marrying a girl who is working

    first and foremost

    for ben berannke

    and sha she just might have been

    asscoekd by neoocn assocker

    corpraote fiat funded tucker max

    rhyes with goldman sax

    who tapes his assocking sesisons ssecretly

    as da dnoeocns enjoy it lzozlzlozzo

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    • on January 11, 2012 at 3:32 pm tacomaster

      Tom Leykis is the man. Do you remember his 8 words for women?
      stay thin, shut up, long hair, sex anytime

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      • on January 11, 2012 at 7:45 pm itsme

        i like his haters even more

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  5. on January 11, 2012 at 1:01 pm Firepower

    JUST WHEN you have them down for the count
    you throw a life preserver to the MRAs
    backed-up with facts, no less

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  6. on January 11, 2012 at 1:11 pm peckerwood

    I’ve noticed in my relationships where the female devotion to me reaches nearly stalkerish levels of commitment and submission, I almost never apologized for anything, including outright insults, even when confronted with how much of a dick I am. Basically, my offending act would have to offend my own sensibilities before I would say, yeah, sorry.

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  7. on January 11, 2012 at 1:39 pm Stuki

    Cheat first is fine and good as long as you retain plausible deniability, or if you do get caught red handed, the mistress is fairly obviously hotter than wifey. Otherwise, particularly if meaningful money’s involved, you’ll just reinforce wifey and friends’ concern that you “can’t handle” a woman of her caliber.

    Ahnold may (just may) have gotten away with violating this, but he’s so uber alpha he’s not really much of a yardstick for most men. Any woman, even a feminist, recognize all it wold take for him to replace wifey with someone hotter and younger is a snap of the fingers. For most guys who landed their empowered dream wife and got caught with the maid, things aren’t so cut and clear.

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    • on January 11, 2012 at 3:39 pm Tyrone

      If you refuse to apologize and act as if its perfectly acceptable, she will probably give in and forgive you. “You know I’m still mad at you” as she slides your pecker down her throat. Women secretly dig it. Until you’ve had the second woman of the day lick the pussy juice off your dick from the first woman of the day, you haven’t lived.

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      • on January 11, 2012 at 5:42 pm Tacomaster

        “Until you’ve had the second woman of the day lick the pussy juice off your dick from the first woman of the day, you haven’t lived.”

        Huh, I thought I was the only one who thought that…

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      • on January 11, 2012 at 7:53 pm David Rockefeller

        It’s even better if she’s got a pissy attitude about smelling the first woman’s scent on your cock but still deep throats you.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 7:52 pm john

        Why not have them do it TOGETHER??

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      • on January 11, 2012 at 8:06 pm nycbachelor

        “If you refuse to apologize and act as if its perfectly acceptable, she will probably give in and forgive you.”

        Some free wisdom for the masses- anytime she catches you doing something “wrong”- its her fault. She’s neglecting you, being cold/distant, she’s been a bitch- whatever. What you actually say is irrelevant- all that’s important is the transference of the guilt for the action from yourself to her; you’re never at fault- she is.

        You know you’ve reached the pinnacle of this technique when you flirt with another girl in front of her and her mother and she apologizes to you later for you’re having done it.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 6:46 pm Tyrone

        I learned this by accident. I just started doing what women do when they’re caught doing something they shouldn’t be. They immediately start to rationalize how its not their fault and often how its your fault. All you need to do is turn the tables. Elaborate abstractions are fine. Its also better to do it with a tone of mild amusement. This works very well because its how all women think instinctively. They’ll see it as someone who understands women. Even little girls try their damndest to avoid accountability. You’ll only rarely see women go vountarily to their demise out of a sense of atonement.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 7:53 pm john

        Hmm. “avoid accountability”. Sounds like certain races I know…Nomesayne? OY!

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      • on January 13, 2012 at 7:19 pm John Norman Howard

        I just say “But [he/she/it] called me a nigger!”

        Excuses everything, up to and including murder.

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  8. on January 11, 2012 at 1:40 pm justbeamanaboutit

    To the average male steeped in the propaganda of feminism from the latter half of the 20th century, this advice upon first glance seems so counter-intuitive.

    However when put into practice where the effects can be seen over and over again the blinds begin to slowly fall from before the eyes. Its mind blowing.

    What it all boils down to ultimately is women want a survivor. They screen for survivors by picking up on the “dark triad” of traits that usually accompany a survivor. Cashmoney and his ilk possess those traits in spades.

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  9. on January 11, 2012 at 1:50 pm Blog Sluts

    So just cheat first and cheat often. Win.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 2:00 am Anonymous

      Always be cheatin’… only the losers end up alone.

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  10. on January 11, 2012 at 1:51 pm Blog Sluts

    Oh yeah you said that.

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  11. on January 11, 2012 at 1:52 pm 357

    Interesting … I’m dating the vagina of a neotenous 25 year-old who’s working on a Ph.D in physical therapy.

    I have a B.S. in an unrelated discipline.

    Something to ponder, though, through the adoption of game tactics introduced to me by this faithful blog, the Alpha has been strong in me with this one.

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    • on January 11, 2012 at 2:01 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM)

      my lostass cockas neez some physical ptherapies therapies lzllzlzozozlozlz so whhyile she is paying off her bernanke loans and working for other men instead of raising your kids which aren’t ven yours, perhaps she can rub one out ofr me just one? i mean it’s not like i am eve n the dude her got here when she was younger hotter tighter and thritey puounds lighter for free lzozlzlzlozozozl so why can’t ha i have a piece is everyone else and epxiecally bernake is getting a piece while tucker max rhyems iwth godlmans sax buttehxed her onin college where she was pretending to gain gbfm knowledhege >? lzozlzlzol

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      • on January 11, 2012 at 2:54 pm 357

        lzllzlzozozol

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      • on January 11, 2012 at 3:08 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM)

        yo bro if der is gonna be another guy, i am goin 2 be him zlolzlzlzlz

        also, i don’t mind sharin if you don’t mind goig secondz lzollzzolzolz

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 11:24 am Breakdancing fool

      The question I have does quality education matter. My gf and I both have undergraduate degree but I went to an ivy caliber school and she went to a decent state school. Whenever I talk about choosing the school I went to instead of U Penn she gets really insecure and complains that I don’t respect her school cause is ranked in the 50’s. Any thoughts on if that would reduce likelihood of cheating? I think it would.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 4:01 pm Ballsdeep

        Idiot.

        Just tell her it does matter. Learn a couple statistics that you can ram down her throat for good measure whenever it comes up. Whether you think it does, or think it doesn’t is. She doesn’t want to be able to measure up to you, but if you let her she will.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 6:12 pm Ian

        Yeah but this is one of those competitions that are so easy to fuck up. If he seems too caught up in which is better than it will come across like he’s defending his school. If he seems like he’s relying on his school for social proof then it’ll seem like he’s making up for other stuff, making him seem loserish.

        Alpha behavior is a complex pattern of behavior, you can’t just reduce it to linear, “pummel her into understanding that your school is better”.

        Attitude is everything. If you’re worried enough about her cheating to be speculating about it on message boards than there’s a high risk you’ll slip into the wrong attitude.

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  12. on January 11, 2012 at 2:47 pm Doc

    I see most of this as simple common sense – women want what they had (or desired) when they were growing up with a father, or seeing other little girls have. A man, who is more than they can hope to be – so if you have a PhD, she can look up to you. If you are the CEO, and she is a secretary – she can look up to you. Basically, as mentioned, it’s all about power distribution, and if you have it she will bow to you. If you don’t – she will be looking for a man who can give her what she seeks.

    A lot of women will deny this – just like they deny everything else that is universally true where it comes to women. Basically, if you assume that a woman is ignorant or lying when it comes to what she wants – you are bang on. The studies say the same things over and over again, and the women/feminists keep denying it. Who are you going to believe? A woman, or an unbiased researcher without a vested agenda. The fact that they keep saying the same thing, isn’t because they are stacked in some way – it is because they are telling the truth.

    Use it to your advantage. As with everything else in life – you can use it to your advantage, or let to run you over. The choice is yours… Personally, I prefer to have things work to my advantage, but if you like the idea of being cuckolded – keep giving her the power.. But personally, I prefer that women service my needs and keep me happy. Like I always say – if she isn’t complaining about how demanding you are, you don’t have her attention.

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    • on January 11, 2012 at 3:05 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM)

      lozozlzozoz you said “father” lzozlzlzlzo

      “I see most of this as simple common sense – women want what they had (or desired) when they were growing up with a father, ”

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      father

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      • on January 11, 2012 at 3:19 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM)

        lzozozlzozo fathers are sooooooooooooooooo 1954 lzozoloozozllzzozozo

        get with the buttcocking asscocking bernifiying program dude!! lzozlzoz

        fiat dollaz replaced da fathas

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    • on January 11, 2012 at 3:07 pm 357

      “Like I always say – if she isn’t complaining about how demanding you are, you don’t have her attention.”

      A couple days ago, the chick I’m slaying said: “I have a ‘red-flag’ about you. You always make decisions without my input, and never ask me what I want to do, it’s always what YOU want to do. You make-up your mind and that’s it.”

      I asked for specifics and she fumbled, capping off her rant, she vomited: “It’s really nothing serious, just wanted to let you know.”

      WTF

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      • on January 11, 2012 at 3:52 pm John

        Same thing happened to me about 2 months ago….I told her simply, “thats because you make poor decisions” I also told her her red-flag was her feminazi propaganda flaring up, and rightfully so.

        She kept at it and I said listen, those things that attracted you to me in the first place aren’t going to change. Quit your bitching, and get on your knee’s and give me my apology. (She did)

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      • on January 11, 2012 at 5:31 pm John Norman Howard

        Just tell her: “Daddy knows best, punkin.”

        And then grin like a shit-eatin’ dog in Satan’s commode.

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      • on January 11, 2012 at 7:42 pm 357

        “Daddy knows best, punkin.”

        Awesome.

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      • on January 11, 2012 at 7:50 pm rickb223

        Game, set, & match.

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      • on January 11, 2012 at 11:47 pm Inlone

        We have a winner! Gotta remember that one.

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      • on January 11, 2012 at 7:26 pm Hero

        Why are you tripping? This is exactly what you want.

        My wife said to me recently “Some of my girlfriends have said they don’t know how I put up with you”.

        Winning.

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  13. on January 11, 2012 at 2:54 pm Matador

    Love this post.
    Gotta disagree a little bit on points 3 and 4 (education and stay-at-home). Cause I met a couple of times this uber-alpha guy who is a lazy undereducated asshole, now engaged to a 30+ year old ophtalmologist.

    Now, I wouldn’t marry a past-her-prime chick. Fuck that. But he’s the kind of guy who can afford to be a stay-at-home, just like a pimp. Sending his wifey to bust her ass at work all day long, and coming back at night to suck his glorious dick.

    I don’t know how he pulls it off exactly (he has to create some sort of illusion concerning his providing ability), and I heard similar stories, and I’m not sure if it will work on the very long term. But I sense that it’s definitely possible if one is able to hold a strong frame indefinitely.

    Anyway, that stuff is not for everyone. AFAIC, I want to make my money on my own.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 6:58 am Ian

      Does he even need providing ability? Chicks with resources that are near the end of their reproductive careers will usually emphasize genes (ie Alpha) above all else. Sounds pretty clear cut.

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  14. on January 11, 2012 at 3:02 pm Anon

    Basically, men cheat when their wives get preggers or old, regardless of happiness.

    Cheating while a wife is preggers makes sense evolutionarily, because the child may or may not be his. If he gets other women preggers at that time, it’s a bonus that at least one child will be his. Cheating when a wife is old also makes sense.

    Women cheat when hubby is beta, less educated, when they’re younger, and when their work involves intimate time. The first 3 reasons are to make sure they get alpha seed, while the last reason is just opportunity.

    So the husbands that are alpha and travel a lot for work, married for 18 years to a happy, dumb, not so young, pregnant, stay-at-home wife are better off than run of the mill husbands.

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  15. on January 11, 2012 at 3:02 pm Exit Strategy

    Nature abhors a vacuum and this is never more true then when it comes to the power dynamics of a relationship. Someone has to be in charge and if men aren’t going to assume that role, their girlfriend, wife, children, or pets will.

    I spent way too many years being an unconscious beta, if not Omega and discovered “game” accidentally through observing human behavior.

    There is an amazing amount of truth in the Chateau, not just about getting laid, but about how to be an actual man, rather than a castrati.

    Being a man is not about being a dick, it’s about putting yourself first as opposed to worrying about what everyone else around you thinks. If your life isn’t what you want it to be, go do something about it, stop whining and make some changes. It’s not that hard and the effort you have to expend will be worth it. If you want to start somewhere, act as if you are already the man you want to be. Who cares if you’re an IT basement dweller or a retail serf, what you do is not who you are so step up and be that person and the rest of the world will start to get in line.

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  16. on January 11, 2012 at 3:42 pm Doug1

    Having alpha frame, having more status educationally and otherwise, and making more money and so on matters a lot. But so too does what her beliefs are.

    I think women who are feminists or even those who aren’t hostile to today’s feminism are a lot more likely to cheat. Women who don’t believe in the sluts vs. studs double standard are examples of the later and more likely to cheat. Girls who’ve had lots of casual sex outside of relationships are more likely to cheat. Lefty or more liberal women are more likely to cheat than more conservative or non political ones. Highly impulsive girls are more likely to cheat.

    Getting married without requiring her to sign a prenup that pretty much mimics living together in the event of a divorce, will make it more likely that she’ll take the chance of not getting discovered and cheat.

    Although usually most women cheat when they’re not so happy about their marriage and the emotional relationship and sex within it, some women just get bored with sex with the same man after awhile and want variety similarly to men. They also want the sense of being very desired by another man, and also the new relationship energy of feeling new love for a new man. A few women just enjoy being sluts.

    One can learn this by reading cheating women’s pseudonymous blogs. Once you find one you’ll find others. They link to each other and comment on each other’s blogs and have links to their own blog in their commenter handles.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 2:05 am Anonymous

      “I’m not haaapy” = You best friend gets me wet.
      “I need space” = Your best friend and I need our own place.
      “I was an accident” = He did me in the ass in our bed and I came HARD.

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  17. on January 11, 2012 at 4:31 pm Doug1

    In one of his prior posts that Heartiste linked, this comment by aoefe neatly encapsulates why female cheating is inherently so much more dangerous in a marriage than male cheating. Female cheating often leads to the cheater herself wanting the divorce. Cheating men esp. when they have children rarely want divorce.

    aoefe–

    @backdoor man – “I have no reason to believe she has cheated on me, but if she has, so what? I still get the extraordinary loving and affection of my woman everyday.”

    If she were cheating you wouldn’t get that. Women are NOT capable of compartmentalizing like men are. The majority of women need to get emotionally attached in order to have sex. game strategy helps women get there quickly by breaking down thier ASD etc etc. We can not easily screw another man and then come home and be loving to hubby, not for the long term. She’ll leave you for the other man sooner rather than later if he’s single.

    I take comfort in the fact that if my man cheated he’d be able to separate the two far more easily. The only reason I’d want my man to cheat is for sexual pleasure/variety not for emotional connection – that would be my job. I gotta admit I want to be numero uno and I’m theorizing, it would not make it any easier to accept it.

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/women-want-you-to-cheat/#comment-137219

    I don’t think this is true of ALL women but I do think it’s true of most. Studies have shown that between 2 and 6% of American marriages are in fact open ones at any one time and they don’t all end in divorce. Here’s an example of one:

    http://yourerrantwife.blogspot.com/2011/12/breaking-up-is-hard-to-do.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2Ferrant+%28The+Errant+Wife%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

    Not all cheating women divorce their husbands. It may be that former sluts are better able to compartmentalize or have feelings for more than one man at a time. But that’s not most women.

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    • on January 11, 2012 at 8:18 pm Tyrone

      Re: cheating, it ain’t what ya do, it’s the way that you do it.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 7:11 am Ian

      It would be good if the above comment included an analysis of exactly why backdoor man has such illogical beliefs about cheating. Remember, people may hold stupid conscious beliefs, but a true understanding of social dynamics is programmed into all of us.

      In this situation, he has clearly judged (unconsciously) that his wife’s reproductive value is well above his, a self-fulfilling prophecy. He thus believes on an important level that he is better off trading limited reproductive access for his resources. Therefore the only thing notable here is that he’s willing to consciously admit to his acceptance of her cheating.

      Relationships take place on a spectrum between cooperation and cold-blooded exchange. Where power is relatively balanced (but a tilt in favor of the man is almost always required), deep cooperative love can emerge. In this case, the power balance is too far in favor of backdoor man’s wife. Similarly, power can be too far tilted in favor of the man, resulting in a situation where the woman sucks social and genetic value from the man, but offers little in return, resulting in lust without love.

      See EO Wilson’s upcoming book for thoughts on social cooperation.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 4:12 pm Backdoor Man

        I haven’t commented on this blog for months, but I happened to check in today and see this comment. I think my quote above was taken out of context. I don’t recall the point I was trying to make, but whatever it was, it has nothing to do with what you are saying. Too much analysis based on too little evidence, bro.

        I think my point was that dudes who obssess over the possibility their woman cheating are probably going to encourage that very cheating; if you are insecure about her devotion to you, you are not controlling the relationship.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 6:17 pm Ian

        “I don’t obsess over the possibility of being mugged, but so what, even if I am it’s just money.”

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 9:43 pm Backdoor Man

        I have lived in some of the world’s most dangerous cities (e.g., Bogota, Kabul, Nairobi), and I currently live in a DC neighborhood that scares some people. And you know, the moment you show fear, that’s when they get you. The more you stride with your balls exposed, the more they respect you and the less they want to fuck with you. The same goes with women…..I KNOW my woman will never cheat on me, and I let her know that with my behavior; once you show doubt, you lose the advantage.

        And yes, I have been mugged a couple of times. It makes you stronger.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 11:30 pm DiamondEyes

        that’s exactly what I thought too, until I caught the bitch trolling for strange cock on the internet. false sense of security bro.

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  18. on January 11, 2012 at 4:35 pm Blackbeard

    Feminism made beta males soft and blames them for every problem despite the fact that its beta males who let women have their feminism. It’s alphas who really personify and do the acts that feminists complain about and say “oppress” them. Thats why I find it ironic that feminism indirectly leads women to cheat with alphas and potentially create another alpha. The same type of man who so call “oppresses” women.

    Or, feminism is just a scam in which they pretend they hate alphas but in reality they hate betas and just use feminism to sleep with alpha males easier. Either way this situation wont be sustainable much longer.

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    • on January 11, 2012 at 8:19 pm Tyrone

      Feminists bascially punish betas for the crimes of alphas.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 11:31 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM)

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        i ain’t no beats fool i ain’t no beta tool
        over vampires and werewolfe you ginas all drool
        letting their cocks touch your deep down stool
        then you blame the betas in school
        and transfer wealth for the bernanke gene pool
        jonah goldberg sends our alphas 2 die on foreign shores
        stuffing his face with dc pizza as they die in fiat wars
        neocon womenz repeating butthexers lies in their mags
        even after menopause and no need for da ragz
        telling young chickas to lust after vampires
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        i ain’t no beta fool i ain’t no beta tool
        about another cock ya make me think
        i’m gone, yo bitch,
        let the betas buy yas yer next drink

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no beats fool i ain’t no beta tool
        over vampires and werewolfe you ginas all drool
        letting their cocks touch your deep down stool
        then you blame the betas in school
        and transfer wealth for the bernanke gene pool
        jonah goldberg sends our alphas 2 die on foreign shores
        stuffing his face with dc pizza as they die in fiat wars
        neocon womenz repeating butthexers lies in their mags
        even after menopause and no need for da ragz
        telling young chickas to lust after vampires
        as they build their fiat empires

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
        about another cock ya make me think
        i’m gone, yo bitch,
        let the betas buy yas yer next drink

        let the betas pay to raise your bastard kids
        let the betas sign teh fiat masters marriage contracts
        theft in fiat inflation is hid
        as they swing their bankrupting axe
        i don’t care what last night u did,
        ever since i kicked ya gina out, i been relaxed.

        as they promote butthex across the land
        ripping out fetuses from parenthood planned
        as fathers form teh homes the neocons ban
        the atalnatic authoresses just don’t undertsand

        but when chix wakes up and her butt is sore
        it’s not my fault no–it’s cause she’s a whore
        as the fiat masters desoul women with butthex cock
        teach them to transfer wealth with pre-teen strumpet rock

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
        about another cock ya make me think
        i’m gone, yo bitch,
        let the betas buy yas yer next drink

        womenz womenz bernanke took advanatge of you
        you wasted your best years on vampires and werewolves
        and now you cry your tears cause of your sore anus
        stamp your little feet saying, “you betas must pay for this!!!”

        and aging neocon women promoting butthexing vampires
        teacxhing women to lust after the undead
        as the neocons suck the western world dry
        bankrupting it all,m enlsaving it debt
        while selfish womenz at the atalnatic monthly
        cry cry cry
        cry cry cry
        not for you or me
        but for themselves
        not for the 50,000,000 aborted souls
        but for their dried up ginas and sore assholes
        so many chances they had to marry a nice guy
        but he left her dry
        so whe butthexed with the asshole
        and now see her cry
        and wonder why
        and transofrm the entire univeristy
        into a program to further the fiat lie
        to transfer wealth and wage war and death
        to about fifty million more
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        and not a whore

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        i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
        about another cock ya make me think
        i’m gone, yo bitch,
        let the betas buy yas yer next drink
        alreayd seen yer pink stink
        bent ya over the sink

        and howscomes the bankers southpark never does satarize
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        i need a chick to cuckold me
        i need a chick on me to pee
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        i love being the greater fool
        one cock in her mouth, one in her anus,
        i keep mine in my pants,
        and pay her bills and rent and fare for da bus.
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        i treat my lady like a nice guy,
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        while your cock doth touch her stool,
        i play videogames @ home in my single mom’s basement,
        as teh fed fianance feminsits studies @ school,
        teaching her to love and bail out the butthexers,
        to persucte me 4 letting her live 4 free,
        while she tickles drummer/druggie cock until it goes
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        i’m the beta herb, teh cuckholded fool,
        i respect her, keep my cock in my pants,
        fund her with other cocks to dance.

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        or would u betaherbs prefer a five cock rule rap! omg i bet someofya would like dat! lzozl

        lzozozozo

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 1:40 pm John Norman Howard

        Hmmm…. I used to think I hated rap… now I’m not so sure.

        /gbfm… converting the skeptical, one post at a time

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 1:37 pm anoniface

      > feminism is just a scam in which they pretend they hate alphas but in reality they hate betas and just use feminism to sleep with alpha males easier

      Feminist bloggers openly act as a sort of Alpha Male enforcement mechanism, with their main targets becoming beta/omega “nice guys” and “creepy PUAs” (common online). Unlike feminists of the past, you don’t often see them attacking “pigs” (alphaish assholes) or “bros”.

      There’s also the weird undertone of the Slut Walks (at least originally) where the message was it’s OK to be easy for some guys, but don’t you rapist creepsters omegas get any ideas.

      A lot of this online bickering makes perfect sense if you think of the feminists as some marginal 6/7 types trying divide the SWPLish “good guys” borderline-alphas out from the male hoarde before their veil gets lifted and they realize they can play these girls hard.

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  19. on January 11, 2012 at 5:18 pm The Shocker

    :+: :+: What To Do When You Find Out She’s Cheating :+: :+:

    Okay, you just found she’s cheating. Or is about to or whatever.

    Accept that it’s ‘that kind’ of break up.

    For a man, there is only one optimal end state. Complete excision from your life. Women can carry around ex’s, mistakes, etc. They are conversation starters for her friends. Men cannot. For men there is and will always be a connotation of shame and nobody wants to hear it. It doesn’t matter how long it takes, your emotional journey along the way– you will arrive at that end state where she is no longer connected to your present life. This being said:

    You usually have a short window between when you find out and when you are broken up. USE THIS WINDOW.

    Your mind and body want you to use this improperly- they want you to seek justice, express rage, get more information from her, compensate by turning up the alpha….. don’t. It’s a waste.

    You need to do two things. First, sit down with her and show her you are deleting her from Facebook, that you are deleting all her friends from Facebook, that you are deleting all your messages. If you have enough hand, log onto her account and delete your friends from her account. Doing this you show your self-respect, value, that you will not trail her life and that she is the one who ruined the relationship.. but ending it was your decision. It may feel wrong at the time, but months and years later you will love yourself for it.

    There’s a list of other things you should do here, I leave that list to more comprehensive thinkers.

    Second thing, if and when there is breakup sex- I believe this is the time to use the no-ejaculation trick. Act bored, not into it, and whatever you do, don’t finish. Push her off you. Clam up with a hint of disgust. By not fucking her now, you will mindfuck her for the rest of her life. Far more satisfying during the inevitable sleepless nights to come.

    There’s a list of other things you should do here, I also leave this for others.

    Use this window.

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    • on January 11, 2012 at 6:12 pm (r)Evoluzione

      That facebook deleting friends shit is weak, vindictive beta sadness.

      Better: use your facebook connection to her friends to P&D them after the breakup.

      But overall, I agree–use the post-breakup window to your advantage. Alpha up like a boss. Show her that she doesn’t matter to you, that you’re moving on and having fun doing so.

      Worst thing is moping around like a tool, or showing that you’re overly affected.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 6:22 pm Ian

        As per my below comment, if you’re alpha enough to P&D her friends then how the fuck did you get dumped??

        Defensive game is always a losing proposition. Deleting the girl puts you on defence. Fucking her friends puts you on offense (unless you seem like you’re doing it for revenge, that’ll make you into the defensive caring asshole, ie beta).

        It’s all about attitude.

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    • on January 11, 2012 at 7:27 pm Musing Alpha

      I had one ex who cheated on me with an old flame who happened to live in a city where she went to a conference. She wanted me to come over the same night she got back. I thought it was going to be a hot booty call, but immediately on opening the door I could tell something was wrong just by the look of her face despite her best “mask”. It only took me a few seconds to put 2 and 2 together. Conference. Another city. Oh wait same city as an old ex to whom she was engaged. Oh. Fuck. She immediately ask for a glass of wine, which I poured and then watched her down in 2.4 seconds. She then asked that we sit down on the couch so we could “talk”. I took a seat on the exact opposite end. She then requested I “come on over”….”so we can be close”. I declined and said that she was acting weird and what was up. All the sudden the waterworks come on and out comes the confession and string of apologies. I sat silent. She begged for assurances “we will be OK, right?” I was silent. After a few minutes of her begging, I simply stood up, showing no emotion, put on my overcoat, flipped up the collar (it was snowing), and walked out the door. On the walk home I blocked her number and filtered her email straight to trash (I don’t do Facebook so nothing to do there). When I got back to my apartment building I told the doorman not to let her up and to provide no reason why. I then called up the girl on the side and fucked her good that night.

      This completely mindfucked the old ex. She went bonkers. She tried to come to my apartment. She tried to call. She cyberstalked me. She sat outside my office waiting for me to leave. (I could see her from my window and would slip out the fire exit). She even resorted to send me snail mail…that went straight into the trash unopened and unread. Finally after six months of a cat and mouse game which I was sort of enjoying in watching her agony she caught me coming home late at night, hammered from six hours of drinking.

      She had been sitting in her car all evening and night right outside my apartment building. I got out of a cab and was stumbling to the front door when I heard my name screamed from afar. Not having my head about me, I had a moment of confusion until the ghostly figure afar came into hazy focus. Fuck I said as she came running up to me wearing high heels and a long coat. She passionately embraced me whispering in my ear “I don’t want to lose you, I never wanted to lose you, this can work” over and over again. This was followed by “give me one more chance…I am going to fuck the hell out of you…” Then a few buttons of the coat came undone and she showed me that she was only wearing some naughty looking lingerie.

      In my drunken stupor I said what the fuck, took her upstairs, and banged her until the sun came up. After sleeping a few hours I woke to the sight of her just staring into my eyes. It was creepy, like out of a horror movie creepy. “I knew we could work this out” she said with a big smile on her face. “Ummm yeah I responded” fumbling out of bed. Thinking quick I said “let’s get brunch”. “Ok” she said popping out of bed frantically searching for her clothes.

      Ten minutes later we were at a coffee shop a mile or so away. I made her drive. We arrived and were seat. I immediately excused myself to the bathroom, catching a Mexican bus boy who barely spoke English on my way. “Where is the back door”. He didn’t understand. “Exit” I said sort of frantically. “Awww” he said while pointing toward the kitchen. The rest was a blur, but I made a quick exit through the kitchen, into a cab, and directly to a friends place. I hid out at his for the night and I told him the story as we sipped Bloody Marys. There were lots of laughs.

      I never did see that woman again, but I did learn through a friend of a friend that the incident had actually driven her to seek inpatient mental treatment. In retrospect I probably did her a favor. She was crazy upstairs. Who stalks a man for six months and then finally catches him by sitting outside of his residence, wearing only underwear and a long coat, then fucks him for four hours straight? A crazy woman. That is who.

      The point of this story is if an ex burns you by cheating or treating you poorly and you are breaking up – mindfuck them. It is the greatest revenge you will ever get.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 2:12 pm Ollie

        The worst part is that this same desperate, six-month long stalker, “I’ll get him back by any means necessary”, woman has likely tossed many a doting, bend-over-backwards-in-love, beta boy to the curb in the coldest fashion (or at very least LJBF’d a good lot of em’).

        Five minutes of alpha….

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 2:33 pm Ben

        Absolutely perfect. Reminds me of the time I walked out

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm Ben

        pressed enter too quickly. When I walked after after having a blowie rudely refused. Left her there practically still on all fours, bent over, naked.

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      • on January 13, 2012 at 10:32 am carolyn

        ‘…mindfuck them. It is the greatest revenge you will ever get’

        i don’t get your bitterness, or that it could ever justify treating a vulnerable headcase so cruelly.

        if someone who didn’t even live with you, who you apparently weren’t even committed to (since you had another relationship going simultaneously) can even be said to be ‘cheating’ is questionable, even if she believed it herself.

        if you couldn’t deal with it, couldn’t you have just told her so, acknowledged it wasn’t rational (since it must have been clear to _you_, if not her, that you weren’t that close) and terminated the relationship? why the hate?

        i’m hoping that this is just another instance of the shallow bravado seen a lot here, and not really true. otherwise it must be hard living with yourself.

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      • on January 13, 2012 at 11:40 am Anonymous

        “if you couldn’t deal with it, couldn’t you have just told her so, acknowledged it wasn’t rational (since it must have been clear to _you_, if not her, that you weren’t that close) and terminated the relationship? why the hate?”

        Carolyn,
        Did you even read his initial post? He DID terminate the relationship. He said nothing, got up and left. Why even the need for words? Why discuss or explain something when there is nothing to discuss? Complete silence to the “we’ll be okay, right?” shouldn’t need an explanation. What is there to discuss? His actions and calm manner should have made things obvious.
        Now, obviously I agree why be concerned with someone cheating on you, if you’re doing the same.

        As far as sleeping with the ex, he was drunk and getting stalked. I don’t even know how she could misinterpret that as anything more. If she’d been concerned that she wanted the relationship to resume again, that would have been the time to talk. BEFOREhand. But regardless of what the answer was, she’d have wanted to sleep with him anyway, so she figured she could just piece things together the way she wanted afterward (delusional- but that’s why she’s a stalker). He did terminate the relationship without words, and that’s because sometimes there really just is nothing to say. Some things require no explanation.

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      • on January 13, 2012 at 11:53 am Anonymous

        Oops. I forgot about later part at the coffee shop. Seriously, though. Given the level of stalking(i wouldn’t exactly call that move unreasonable or cruel), that’d be a clear (legal) way to get rid of someone permanently. if she’d been reading body language, she should have seen this coming. Besides, even if it was harsh and “irrational” wouldn’t the level of craziness of the ex’s behavior, justified an equally “irrational” response. (You’re forgetting the discomfort the stalking caused.)

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      • on January 13, 2012 at 12:14 pm carolyn

        ‘He did terminate the relationship without words, and that’s because sometimes there really just is nothing to say.’

        he should have made explicit why he was leaving; he owed someone he once presumably had some feelings for that much. her being a headcase (he must have been aware of this) made that even more important. it may have even spared him her stalkerish behavior. wasn’t he aware he was walking on eggs?

        the drunken episode was unfortunate but completely understandable. not so his behavior the next day. if i were him, i’d be horrified, asking myself how do i let her down easy. there probably was no way, only a least bad way. slipping out of the restaurant was not it. what it was was an exercise in utterly gratuitous sadism, victimizing somebody who could least take it. he should have been the adult in the room, befitting his presumed alpha persona. but he blew it.

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      • on January 13, 2012 at 12:49 pm Anonymous

        For LTRs and marriage, I definitely think like attracts like. (And apparently it seems STRs too.) I’ve rarely seen huge personality mispairings in this regard. He advocates mindf*cking an ex even though that behavior could induce stalking, which he allegedly thought was creepy. But subconsciously he must have enjoyed it or he wouldn’t advocate mind-f’ing.(which could lead to stalking in an unstable person) I could see the need for revenge if she cheated, and then later disclosed it. But she didn’t wait giving him a clean break. She did cheat, but didn’t allow the relationship to continue beyond that point, so no further lying was involved. So a high need for revenge would be disproportionate in response.

        He probably should have given directions. “It’s over. Don’t call me. c-ya”

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      • on January 13, 2012 at 11:59 pm King A

        carolyn wrote:

        he should have made explicit why he was leaving; he owed someone he once presumably had some feelings for that much. her being a headcase (he must have been aware of this) made that even more important. it may have even spared him her stalkerish behavior.

        You’re missing the point. “He owed someone,” did he? This unhealthy understanding of forgiveness poisons everything. One’s obligation is not to punish the world for its wrongs, not even the wrongs against oneself. One’s obligation is complete forgiveness. Revenge is more than self-destructive, it is ineffective or even counterproductive.

        The girlfriend-turned-obsessive was acting out of guilt. She desired the punishment more than he desired giving it to her. Sinners would rather be hit than ignored. His indifference kept her in stasis, suspended her in midair without resolution. Often in those circumstances, the guilty punish themselves. They know in their bones that a price must be paid, from without or within.

        In this way, every bad action is a double-edged sword. In the attack, you wound yourself as much as your victim, and the state of unforgiveness means your wound never heals. It festers and spreads and consumes.

        “He once presumably had some feelings” has nothing to do with anything. It is sentimental rubbish veiling the real dynamic of action and pain, amends and forgiveness.

        People imagine that forgiveness requires stupidity and nullification. Forgiveness strikes strong people as the idiotic volunteering of weak people to be a doormat. It requires nothing of the kind. It in fact requires the greatest strength. Forgiveness means absorbing the evil done to you and returning love. Weaklings lash out. The strong resist the immediate animal impulse, detach themselves, and seek what’s really going on: an exchange of evil that multiplies itself to no good effect and for no good reason.

        In the example above, Musing Alpha sought detachment, not revenge (regardless of his own interpretation, which is not wholly on target). Any act of evil in return, or even the thought of it, would have embroiled him in the sordid affair of her weakness. He acted out of strength despite never uncovering (much less seeking) “what’s really going on.” His instincts were true, causing him to remove himself from the cycle altogether. This had the effect of leaving the cheating ex alone with the full burden of the evil she initiated; his absence of forgiveness, or even interest, compounded her torture.

        His drunken return to her was an act of grace. He came back to share the guilt, even if only momentarily. His return was the punishment she needed to make partial amends for her original evil.

        When you discern the real dynamic, his acts were charitable, not cold or even particularly vengeful. We have forgotten about the irreducible human need for punishment and forgiveness, we call it by different names, but it never goes away. We can’t fool ourselves. If someone does us harm, instant and unconditional forgiveness treats the matter frivolously — this beta move is unsatisfying on every level and solves nothing. Lashing out in revenge compounds the matter, heaping even more guilt upon the originator for having begun a chain reaction of evil.

        No, true forgiveness comes within the context of the grand battle of good and evil. (It doesn’t help that we pretend that no such thing exists, and think we’ve surpassed our unconquerable humanity.) You add to that evil, even a little bit, you lose. You add to the good, everybody wins, even the evildoer, even if she doesn’t deserve it. Because none of us deserve it.

        Musing Alpha might figure out that forgiving this girl is what liberates him into the true indifference he is seeking. So long as he stumbles onto vengeance whenever he’s drunk in her presence, he is validating her and sharing in the complicity of her cheating. There is no punishment so acute as the one our psychology forces on ourselves, particularly in women.

        Forgiveness elevates a man above the petty mistakes and intentional evils against him. It isn’t masochism. It isn’t a claim that the pain isn’t real or the act isn’t evil so much as it says, “Your weapons can’t touch me.” We who forgive are not pushovers. We are the wall that cannot be pushed over. That thing she did, that she thought would make me cry, or make me hit her back, or make me fly into a rage? It makes me shrug. She has hurt herself more, and I won’t give her the satisfaction of sharing the evil. I give her something much harder to bear in her guilt: my pardon.

        The lesson might be too sophisticated for the untutored to grasp in one sitting. Which is why we faithful make a habit of reminding ourselves of it weekly. Especially in an immature culture that finds revenge and bathos to be the very height of excitement, as if soap operatics were a satisfying way to live. My serenity, my stillness, and my confidence helps me transcend the drama that fills the holes in other peoples’ leaky souls. And I project that composure everywhere I go, and everyone is attracted to it. Musing Alpha above found a teaspoon of it and it was nitro glycerin.

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      • on January 15, 2012 at 10:45 pm carolyn

        ‘One’s obligation is complete forgiveness. Revenge is more than self-destructive, it is ineffective or even counterproductive’

        o my god…where to begin…

        isn’t it clear that musing alpha’s motivation was revenge and not the pure ‘forgiveness’ 11th dimension chess play you think he’s playing? what do his actions look like to normal people?

        here’s a suffering woman. you cut her off, however irrationally, because her behavior is intolerable to you. perhaps the actions of a mature adult requires one to tailor one’s reaction to the audience rather than the inflexibly ‘alpha’ take-no-prisoners one usually espoused here? is it so hard for one to react to her as a human being you can help? what about a little christian charity?

        king a, i love your rhetorical flourishes. it’s a relief from the endless callowness here of horny twenty-somethings to read your thrilling flights of articulate je ne sais quois, but here you’re all wet. sorry.

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      • on January 14, 2012 at 12:42 am Anon

        “who you apparently weren’t even committed to (since you had another relationship going simultaneously) ”

        Bullshit. Do you even read this blog? Men have little patience for cheating whores, even in the early stages of a relationship. And we don’t owe sexual fidelity as much as women. Our only duty toward a ltr is emotional loyalty. I’m talking about real men, not the mewling betas that you’re apparently used to.

        The argument “he was cheating too” is irrelevant, except in the mainstream feminized propaganda machine. He’s alpha, and alphas walk away when they get cheated on.
        And since cheating is the worst thing a woman can do to a man, he is free to indulge in any sadist revenge he deems appropriate.

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      • on January 13, 2012 at 10:04 pm King A

        Fantastic post, Musing Alpha, and hat-tip to Heartiste’s tweet bringing us here. I admire your ruthless, Terminator approach. You articulated the phenomenon well.

        It’s perverse that this kind of treatment only draws women closer. I noticed that when I got my first stalker at 16-years-old and never forgot it. It’s God’s sick joke on the distaff. If you want to be rid of a pest, the last thing you do is cut them off with extreme prejudice. You would have to make a beta display of yourself to turn them off, the thought of which I find revolting. So every ex-girlfriend turns into a stalker to some degree.

        This is an awesome power to be used judiciously. The more ruthless, the more indifferent, the more direct you are, the more her bond will involuntarily strengthen. Meantime, all of the dull boys who surround her will compare poorly in comparison with the legend of you, which grows to monstrous proportions in your absence. At that point, the mere act of running into each other stuns her into slavish obedience.

        Revenge is beta. I don’t have a taste for payback in these circumstances, mostly just pity. It’s an ego trip to be the “one that got away” to dozens of quietly depressed women in beta hell. But my eye is always on the prize. The poor shmoes chained to (or orbiting) these daydreaming, solipsistic bitches, who work so hard for the girls’ attention, are the real victims in this equation. I want to see all chumps liberated. That’s the metamindfuck. Punishing the stalkers for their shabby treatment of my brothers-in-arms. (And like anyone with a guilty conscience, they love the punishment too.)

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    • on January 11, 2012 at 7:57 pm rickb223

      “For a man, there is only one optimal end state”

      Well, there ARE two. But one ends up with a great possibility that you will become a prison bitch.

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    • on January 11, 2012 at 8:23 pm Tyrone

      Use this window to move your assets and kick her out of the house.

      In divorce, even in evil states, he who strikes first often wins or at least softens the blow. A man always needs an exit plan. Talk to a lawyer just to devise a strategy to leave as a contingency, If this is just cohabitation, then its far less complicated. Change the locks. You SWPL types need real skills for stuff like this, for example.

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    • on January 11, 2012 at 9:45 pm Blog Sluts

      So that’s the reason I have so many female friends on facebook with a fake account where I’m her only friend. Hahahahah

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 1:48 am TheBiboSez

      My Dearest Beloveds –

      Respectfully, I disagree with the level of engagement Shocker suggests with a wayward beaver.

      Rather than engaging her, all direct communication – ALL OF IT – must cease immediately. Even if you are deeply hurt, DO NOT give the cheating bitch the pleasure of knowing your pain. Walk away.

      Your barely visible attitude (to mutual friends, if any) should be that of an outwardly complete disinterest covering a secret core of relief and indeed, joy at her cheating and your freedom. That way, the more she digs, the more upset she will become.

      My internal dialogue would thus:

      “I am the Alpha man; Interaction with me is a priviledge granted only to those I deem worthy.

      “You, dear, are as unworthy as a thousand pound dead crack whore being chewed up by her cats.

      “I am mildly amused at your infidelity and relieved that I am now rid of your crap. The joy of my stripper chicks pals at my newfound freedom makes me smile. And horny.

      “But not for you, of course.

      “My only regret is for the sorry bastard you bent over for. I bear him no ill will – indeed, he has done me a favor; someday soon, he and I will share notes.”

      DO NOT give the cheating bitch the satisfaction of closure, or of knowing your pain. DO give her the (indirect only) image of your joy of freedom.

      Scrape her booty off your boot. I know this is hard, and few can manage it, but the more you can do this, the worse she will feel, and the more she will relent, go hampster, and chase after you.

      Once that happens (and it will), YOU are back in control. Take her back if you wish; I’d just let her think that, and then, bang all her friends.

      And that is what the Bibo Sez.

      Bless you!

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 7:15 am Ian

      Nice. Of course, anybody who can convincingly carry this out is probably too alpha to get cheated on. For anybody else it’ll largely come off like bad acting. But this is what you’re striving for.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 9:40 am The Unshocker

      Too long.

      Just fuck her in the ass, give her a dirty sanchez, and never have any contact with her again.

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      • on January 13, 2012 at 12:49 am Jamez

        Don’t forget the open handed left to her face first and to remind her that she’s lucky it was open

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      • on January 13, 2012 at 7:22 pm John Norman Howard

        And that it was the left.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 10:40 am moses

      Before you break up with your girl, make damn sure you have hard evidence.

      If you don’t she will cry and swear up and down that she didn’t cheat. Women can be amazingly skillful liars due to their greater emotional intelligence. And odds are, if you really did like her, that her academy award-winning, heartfelt performance will convince you she didn’t cheat or at least inject enough doubt to keep you from breaking up with her.

      Hard evidence will cause her words to fall on deaf ears.

      A few years ago my spidey sense was tingling about my girl. Something didn’t feel right. One night she checked her email on my computer before going home. She closed the tab but not the browser (she didn’t realize the browser was still logged in, silly women).

      After she left I agonized for a few minutes. It felt sleazy to look through her personal email. “Should I or shouldn’t I?” I asked myself.

      Finally I decided to look. I’m glad I did. I found hard, unmistakeable evidence of a recent tryst with her ex boyfriend.

      I asked her about it the next time she came over. But I didn’t tell her about the evidence. She denied up and down. She cried. She said she loved me. It was a moving performance. I probably would have been convinced had it not been for the hard kernel of truth.

      Then I sprang the evidence on her. She knew the jig was up. The expression on her face was priceless. Without skipping a beat she tried to explain. I calmly explained that it was over. That was that.

      The experience taught me about how you just can’t trust a woman’s word on something like this. I’ve lost all qualms whatsoever about using down low methods to check up on a girl if I get a funny feeling. I’m not married, but if I ever consider it I’m going to do my homework first.

      Reality is what it is. Anyone who’s not a fool should check out a business partner before getting into bed with them. Anyone who’s not a fool should do the same with his woman before he enters into a marriage contract.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 6:07 pm xsplat

        Keyloggers are your friend.

        I only use them when I want to know. There are times when I’d rather let sleeping dogs lie. I prefer not to have it as my default state to be checking up on a girl. On the whole girls want to flirt, and they want options. If relationship is a young girls profession, then flirting on the internet is her employment backup plan. I don’t always need to know every little detail about that.

        But when I feel a need to know, I’ll use a keylogger. I’ve found that cutting off the girl from other options forces a more resolute decision from her and tends to make her fall in love more. That would be what one would expect – love is partially a condition of options, after all.

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  20. on January 11, 2012 at 6:04 pm Anonymous

    Women are also notorious for lying to marriage therapists, so, there’s that

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  21. on January 11, 2012 at 6:16 pm Musing Alpha

    It really doesn’t surprise me when science validates every single piece of game theory. When you read the origins of game, it was basically nothing more than what was probably the world’s largest trial and error experiment ever performed. You just had a bunch of guys, from all over the world, on internet news groups, out every night talking to women, trying different strategies and tactics, then sharing the results. They did this for about a ten year time period and were able to come up with a pretty accurate theory that was later published for public inspection for the first time in The Game. It may be one of the greatest scientific undertaking since the Manhattan Project and no one who was a “researcher” in the experiment had any idea.

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  22. on January 11, 2012 at 7:27 pm Anonymous

    That was a blog post, not a scientific article.

    Their source material is suspect as well. For example, what exactly is “Forste and Tanfer (1996)”??

    [heartiste: tryhard.]

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 2:37 pm Ben

      Yeah, they should list the full reference.

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  23. on January 11, 2012 at 7:28 pm Mr. C

    An erect penis has no conscience; neither does a tingling vagina.

    Women will do what they think they can get away with and then backwards rationalise everything.

    A woman with too many options or available choices, an overblown sense of entitlement teamed with a shitty self esteem is ripe for cheating.
    It’s simply a matter of when, not if.

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  24. on January 11, 2012 at 7:39 pm 357

    Off topic:

    ====

    Girl, 5:45: My bed feels orgasmic!!

    Girl, 5:46: ps I’m thinking we should get takeout and eat it here….maybe the Thai place we ate on our first date?!

    Me, 6:01: I didn’t know we were going out

    Girl, 6:02: You gotta feed this before you fuck it

    Me, 6:30: Boss is yammering about OT tonight, text you when I leave

    Girl, 6:31: He can go fuck himself

    ====

    Maybe I lack a sense of humor, but I’m really turned off by this exchange….To the point where I’m not sure I want to fuck her tonight.

    Analysis of this broad, anyone?

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 1:21 pm anonymous

      >feed this before you fuck it

      WHORE detected

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 1:48 pm John Norman Howard

      What sort of broad says “Feed this before you fuck it”?

      And, merely out of academic curiosity, what is the preferred fare of vaginas these days?

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 2:25 pm Tyrone

        All beef salami.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 3:46 pm John Norman Howard

        With a side order of tongue?

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 4:26 pm Tyrone

        Exactly.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 7:11 pm 357

        I bought her a # 3 at Wendy’s.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 2:39 pm Ben

      “Girl, 6:02: You gotta feed this before you fuck it”

      Ugh, classless hick (/bogan perhaps). That would disgust me too.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 7:25 pm xsplat

      Ya, I’d feel the need to correct or avoid that behavior too. She’s setting herself up as the prize, which in the long run will diminish her respect for you.

      Women prefer to have the man be the prize. She should feed you for fucking rights.

      Girl, 6:02: “You gotta feed this before you fuck it”
      Man, 6:30: “Classy. Boss is yammering about OT tonight, text you when I leave”
      Girl, 6:31: He can go fuck himself
      Man, 8:30. “Finished work. You can feed me dinner if you want to fuck me.”

      If she declines and gets into power play mode, wanting you to back down and come to her on bended knee, it’s already over. Her will must be broken, or it’s pointless to deal with her. Better to be lonely and starving for sex, as you can use that hunger productively finding a girl who won’t play power games on you.

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  25. on January 11, 2012 at 7:40 pm Milton

    SOLID. FUCKING. GOLD.

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  26. on January 11, 2012 at 7:44 pm rickb223

    “There are only two paths you can take to avoid that nightmare — the path of celibacy or the path of alpha. Which one sounds more fun?”

    Third path – divorce the cunt.

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  27. on January 11, 2012 at 7:44 pm bob

    Number 4 is pretty interesting: the “7 year itch” and the “midlife crisis” all in one go. Amazing.

    And gr8tbuks4men is still a shit-head.

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  28. on January 11, 2012 at 7:49 pm 357

    New Jersey lawmaker looks to update alimony rules after advocacy group claims lifetime punishment

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/11/new-jersey-looks-to-update-alimony-rules-after-advocacy-groups-shudder-at/

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 5:12 pm Doug1

      Men should require prenups that entirely wave alimony before marrying.

      Having to pay lifetime alimony in ten year and longer marriages in this day and age, when almost fifty percent more women than men graduate from college, and women can work at all levels of the workforce according to their individual abilities, drive and priorities, is obscene.

      The fact that individual women nonetheless tend to hypergamously marry up in not only status but also income, and men want to marry at least somewhat down (but not in looks) in facilitation of their having some dominant hand, should not lead to men having to support ex wives to the same style they’d enjoyed when married, after they divorce and are doing nothing for their ex husbands any longer.

      That’s particularly true in light of the fact that women file for divorce 2.5x as often as men do overall, and among college educated marriage couples with kids, many divorce lawyers say that women are behind wanting the divorce about 90% of the time.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 5:37 pm Doug1

      If a woman won’t sign such a prenup waiving alimony, no American man who’s swallowed the red pill should be willing to marry her. If you are, you’re a chump. Instead say NEXT.

      As well I’d put in a prenup two main other things. Wealth earned during the marriage doesn’t get split 50/50, but rather according to who earned it. Operationally I think this would work most easily by saying who has title to the property (dwellings, cars, maybe a boat) or has it in their name and possession (bank, investment and retirement accounts or pensions, and also debts), walks away with it at divorce. If there are children, perhaps put the primary residence in both spouses name if the wife is stay at home for some significant period of time after birth. Personally I’d not want my wife to be stay at home after the youngest is in nursery school. This is a way of compensating her for the stay at home period both agreed before marriage they wanted.

      What not infrequently happens is that mothers who stay at home for four or six years, decide they don’t want to go back to work, even though their husbands want them to, and certainly don’t want to have to pay alimony because they’ve decided not to. American husbands cannot legally or culturally force their wives to either be stay at home mothers, nor be working ones after awhile either. It’s all up to her. (In contrast, men who want to be stay at home fathers against their wives wishes are greatly disdained still even in our otherwise feminist culture. One way feminism in most ways.)

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  29. on January 11, 2012 at 7:51 pm n/a

    Now ya gotta do me everything, you did baby:

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  30. on January 11, 2012 at 7:57 pm beta_plus

    Was this post in response to the revelation that Kim (Khloe? Can never keep them straight) Kardashian is the result of cuckoldry or just coincidence? It’s hard to tell with you sometimes.

    I do find it interesting that she has much more of a man-jaw, much taller, and has a more masculine frame than her half-sisters. I gave up trying to look for pictures with lower arm hair, but maybe someone has more patience than me. One more stunning data point validating the wisdom of CH.

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  31. on January 11, 2012 at 8:01 pm woman gaining insight

    woman gaining insight

    Thought I was just an outlier…..no risk factors ( virgin, married young, head over heels in love,married 12 years-THEN cheated and,eventually up and left

    but I am getting it now…. I was always the boss of the realtionship-that is not the way it should be…

    at the time I thought I was curious about having sex with someone else..

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 3:06 pm Lance Draper

      Whore.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 3:50 pm John Norman Howard

        Tsk, tsk… shaming language is for the opponent, to bolster his/her weak argument.

        Besides, a whore is a 16 year old with a bad reputation… this women be a floozy!

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 4:24 pm Tyrone

      Your husband didn’t show the leadership in the relationship that you needed and expected. You looked for it elsewhere. This is why good game can save marriages too. If your husband had gamed you properly, it would never have occurred to you to even look at another man. I hope both of you learned something of long term value out of the experience.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 9:18 pm woman gaining insight

        woman gaining insight

        Thought I was just an outlier…..no risk factors ( virgin, married young, head over heels in love,married 12 years-THEN cheated and,eventually up and left but I am getting it now…. I was always the boss of the realtionship-that is not the way it should be… at the time I thought I was […]

        tyrone says
        Your husband didn’t show the leadership in the relationship that you needed and expected. You looked for it elsewhere. This is why good game can save marriages too. If your husband had gamed you properly, it would never have occurred to you to even look at another man. I hope both of you learned something of long term value out of the experience.
        ………………………………………………………..

        woman gaining insight
        Thanks, Tyrone,

        You’re absolutely right. I just didn’t have any idea how to label the problems at the time. I

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      • on January 13, 2012 at 12:20 am DiamondEyes

        congrats, now you can rest easy knowing it was all the fault of your nice hubby! You are totally in the clear babe!

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 5:33 pm john

      well then…BITCH!! Hope you get the clap from a negro.

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  32. on January 11, 2012 at 8:13 pm Cauthon

    The Chateau misinterprets one part of the study in this passage:

    “Interestingly, but not surprisingly, younger marriages experience initial infidelity sooner than older marriages. The explanation is simple: younger wives are hotter than older wives, so they have more options in the sexual market.”

    I assume that’s pulled from this part of the study:

    “Lawson and Samson (1988) reported, however, that the length of marriage prior to initial sexual infidelity is decreasing with younger cohorts.”

    Younger cohorts does not mean people who got married younger. A cohort is a group of people from the same generation relative to the others in the study, i.e., younger cohorts were born more recently than the rest of the study. For example, take these two couples. One couple is 50 at the time of the study and got married at 20. The other couple is 30 and got married at 25. The latter couple would be part of the younger cohort.

    The implication of this study is simple: wives in younger generations are getting sluttier. They cheat sooner than they used to.

    [heartiste: thx for the clarification. makes sense based on personal observation. there is some data out there showing that younger marriages are a higher risk for divorce, which would fall in line with the premise that younger women have more options which leads to more instability.]

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 6:32 pm Ian

      Society condones cheating by young wives far more today than in the past too. Fewer sticks, more carrots. As the Freakonomics guys like to say “people respond to incentives”.

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  33. on January 11, 2012 at 8:43 pm flyfreshandyoung

    In addition to the excellent points, I found this part of the study interesting:

    “but among married men, the likelihood of extramarital involvement decreases over time until the eighteenth year of matrimony, after which the likelihood of extramarital involvement increases ”

    AKA his wife has finally finished her impact with the wall. Nowhere near as hot as she once was, possibly fat, wrinkled, etc….

    If they got married when they were 23 each, he is now around the pinnacle of male alphaness, and is likely making 6+ figures.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 1:57 pm John Norman Howard

      That 18 year line of demarcation also coincides with empty nest syndrome, where kids start going out on their own, even if just away to college.

      Women often view their “most important” role as mother rather than wife, and husbands often tolerate it a little easier because of the children and because they’re working their asses off all along to be the best providers they can.

      Suddenly, when the woman is no longer primary care mother… and husband realizes that somewhere along the line she didn’t really put much stock in the wife role… and she has no intention of assuming it properly now, well… anything goes, as far as the man is concerned.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 6:35 pm Ian

        Yeah, except that evo psych has shown that midlife crises occur when the wife reaches menopause, regardless of the age of the man. Therefore I would interpret this as having a larger biological component: most women are hitting menopause about 18 years into marriage. No more reproductive potential therefore time for the husband to look for new fields to plow.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 8:16 pm John Norman Howard

        Good point… maybe that menopause thing only exacerbates the woman’s “whatever” attitude towards the wife role (aka “pleasing her man”) at that stage in her life.

        Or maybe it’s just the whole “familiarity breeds contempt” syndrome… during a marriage… especially with several kids and the bombardment of PC schooling/media/government these past few generations… it’s hard not to fall into beta mode once too often.

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  34. on January 11, 2012 at 9:39 pm Anonymous

    Women are obsessed with obtaining power to same degree men are obsessed with obtaining sex.

    That’s why women keep screaming sex is about power. It is. For women!

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  35. on January 11, 2012 at 9:43 pm Anonymous

    Jimmy Soul – If You Want To Be Happy

    Lyrics:

    If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
    Never make a pretty woman your wife
    So from my personal point of view
    Get an ugly girl to marry you

    If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
    Never make a pretty woman your wife
    So from my personal point of view
    Get an ugly girl to marry you

    A pretty woman makes her husband look small
    And very often causes his downfall
    As soon as he marries her then she starts
    To do the things that will break his heart

    But if you make an ugly woman your wife
    you’ll be happy for the rest of your life
    An ugly woman cooks meals on time
    And she’ll always give you peace of mind

    If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
    Never make a pretty woman your wife
    So from my personal point of view
    Get an ugly girl to marry you

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  36. on January 11, 2012 at 9:59 pm on

    And no matter how alpha you are, if one of your girls is traveling, especially if abroad, she will cheat given the opportunity. It doesn’t mean she’s a slut, but it will happen anyway. heh.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm Blackbeard

      …That does make her a slut. But who said being a slut is a bad thing? This blog should have already taught men you dont put your eggs in one basket even if you are properly gaming her. Marriages and LTR relationships are incompatible with both men and women. So what if your girl is cheating overseas, you should be having fun and cheating too!

      I believe CH made a blog post showing a study that women psychologically dont like being pumped and dumped once its all over, so if your cheating as well, your coming out the winner no matter what since men do not dislike fucking around.

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  37. on January 11, 2012 at 11:33 pm Rick Derris

    O/T:

    OK I am now on a Chelsea Handler kick. She is the new embodiment of the Sluts & The City bitches but nowhere near as nasty. Damn sometimes I really dig aging skanks but no way would I ever stick around with one.

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    • on January 13, 2012 at 3:36 am driveallnight

      Chelsea not only fucked 50 Cent, but acknowledged it publicly. Nothing else need be said about the woman.

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  38. on January 12, 2012 at 1:02 am Prof. Woland

    Rule # 7

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  39. on January 12, 2012 at 1:07 am Zambo

    A highly intelligent woman from a good family, the kind most of us would like to marry, will at least have a bachelors from a good college. Education has become feminized and I don’t think by itself is a marker for status unless it’s a huge difference. A guy with a bachelors from a good school who marries a woman with a useless masters from East Nowhere U is not really less “educated” and certainly not less status. I think there could be a problem if she’s MUCH more educated, but there could also be a problem in the reverse, because you’ll have very little in common. You do need to LIVE with the person.

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  40. on January 12, 2012 at 1:24 am Lord Byron

    At this rate, women won’t have to cheat. Witness men freely offer up their wives, girlfriends, and daughters to serve as sperm dumpsters to super virgin, Tim Tebow:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1201/tim.tebow.female.fans/content.1.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_bf4_a5

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 2:44 pm Ben

      Tebow is a lightning rod of decency in a collectivist, cultural shithole.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 3:56 pm John Norman Howard

        And oh how gleefully the MSM will gush in derision, should a chink in the armor appear.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 10:46 pm Tyrone

        That’s because they’re a bunch of homos deeply ashamed of themselves.

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  41. on January 12, 2012 at 1:54 am Anonymous

    Men need an opportunity, women just need a justification.

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  42. on January 12, 2012 at 2:13 am Meg

    I would imagine that, by and large, unethical women are the most likely to cheat. If she’s cheated before, that should be a huge red flag. Or someone who jumps from relationship to relationship with no gap in between–chances are some of them were overlapping. Cheating on tests or income taxes; shoplifting; lying, etc should also be suspect. Or, like you said, someone who is impulsive, who has an entitlement/Princess mentality, who believes she “deserves” whatever she wants regardless of the consequences; who is selfish, inconsiderate, always rationalizat

    Granted yes women cheat when they’re unhappy. But it’s not as though every unhappy woman cheats. I tend to think that the propensity to cheat is evidence of a character flaw, and you’d be better off vetting women for a basic sense of ethics and character than checking to see if they work outside the house or vote Democrat.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 2:46 pm Ben

      What era were you born in out of interest? Ethics don’t really matter these days (thanks to the counter culture revolution). It’s why biological discussions like this are so important.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 2:54 pm John Norman Howard

        That’s a good point…

        As the thin veneer of civilization continues to flake, I find even those of the older generations are ethically challenged.

        Kind of depressing to find that most folks, young or old, only keep up a semblance of integrity (hence: humanity) so long as the chips aren’t down.

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  43. on January 12, 2012 at 6:03 am Anonymous

    “The Seven Year Itch is best-known to us as the title of the 1955 film, starring Marilyn Monroe and Tom Ewell and directed by Billy Wilder. The plot of has Ewell’s character working for a company that is about to publish a book suggesting that a many men have extra-marital affairs after seven years of marriage – called the “7-Year Itch”.”

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  44. on January 12, 2012 at 6:17 am xsplat

    I once had friction with a woman because she wasn’t feminist enough. She had wanted more traditional roles, where she concentrated on domestic duties and I was able to successfully provide. At the time I was in no position to do so, and resented her expectations. I told her that even if such roles were biological, our evolutionary direction was towards equality of financial duties.

    Nowadays I see advantage to the traditional roles. I prefer being the main provider and having the woman work under my direction at any task I assign her. Food is more nourishing when it is cooked with love, and a house cleaned by a mate is a house warmed by care. I make the money, she attends to me and the house and spends money on maintaining our needs.

    Nowadays I see it to mens advantage to not be economic equals. I’d rather take a huge hit to economic status and maintain this arrangement than I would have two incomes.

    I now believe a big part of LTR game is good old fashioned economic hand.

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  45. on January 12, 2012 at 6:43 am nugganu

    @The Shocker – yo truly have a mind of evil, and I love it.

    The one time I was cheated on in a relationship, I then went out and started screwing other women, for about a year, and kept a pseudo relationship going with her. She knew I was cheating on her. Eventually I left her for a woman almost 20 years younger. That mind fucked her completely.

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  46. on January 12, 2012 at 11:26 am Inlone

    I know I shouldn’t react like this, but the more I learn about women the more depressed I become.

    And unfortunately, celibacy is not appealing when it’s involuntary.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 2:39 pm ytubeanon

      I don’t see the appeal of living just for the times your parts are tingling and then you’re stuck with a lame female who would cheat if she had the chance, you let your guard down or goodness forbid, you let your game drop a little. Are people really supposed to live this way, perpetually in the fear of getting cheated on or pre-emptively cheating themselves to gain the upper hand?

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 4:20 pm Tyrone

        Its not quite that bad. Its more a question of attitude and habits. My wife loves me and makes it obvious. She even denies I use game on her although I use it extensively. Its has become second nature and she looks up to me because of it. You can be beta and vulnerable on occassion, but don’t have it be your daily method of operation. Have something to offer, and be aware of who you are and don’t automatically assume she’s more virtuous or deserving of love just because she’s a woman. Pretty women get fawned over so much, they don’t respect men unless those men see them as women versus some beautiful treasure. All women want to look up to and admire their husbands. You just have to learn leadership and use it. Women want a leader not a boss or a doormat. They too want to grow and be proud of who they’re with. Also, although many here will say its beta, if you give her the big O, not the smaller ones, the ones that make them see the heavens part and hear angel choirs singing, they’ll follow you around like a stray dog for the rest of your days. You can call them twenty years later after not seeing them and get a booty call because they remember you as the man!

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      • on January 13, 2012 at 3:46 pm Doug1

        True dat.

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  47. on January 12, 2012 at 11:51 am Ashen

    Hey all, I have a tale to tell. I’ve been a long time lurker here and always enjoy the analysis and especially some of the comments as they are funny as hell. Most of the analysis here I agree with and have learned the hard way about alpha/beta behavior. I, just yesterday, said goodbye to a married couple that I have known since we all went to high school together. I had developed an attraction to the woman and didn’t want to betray my buddy so I extricated myself from the situation. The wife and I have talked before through the years and she has expressed attraction and love as well. We never acted on it. I finally realized that I had to leave and emailed her to let her know that if I put in her in a bad spot that I was sorry,(mistake). Well, the husband spied it out and flew into a hate-filled, invective laced tirade text barrage. He told me that in no way was he threatened by me and he was 100 percent positive that she would never do anything with me, EVER!! I didn’t take the bait but just told him that she was indeed, then, the woman I thougth she was, faithful and true. She has dropped hints before about hooking up but I wouldn’t do it. Now, before you guys crucify me for going after my buddy’s wife, let me hold u up. I never laid a finger on her which i’m torn about because I do love her and am attracted to her but she has a good life and I wouldn’t want to be a homewrecker like my Dad. Maybe this isn’t a request for advice, but rather a mea culpa. It’s still evolving as this whole scene just went down last night. This dude is total beta male, not that i’m super alpha but I do ok and have consistently hit out of my league because i’m funny and have a stone cold disinterested game. Women i’ve never met have come up to me to tell me off, and how much the smirk on my face, also known as amused mastery, pisses them off. This pleases me. Anyway, back to the tale….
    The wife plays a popular online game basically whenever she is awake and not at work. She also has become a functional alcoholic i think as she drinks daily, ususally starting early in the day and going till she passes out. It’s too bad because she is a smart person and has done well in her occupation without a college degree. The husband refuses to put his foot down about it but he smokes weed so there’s not much he can say. He actually does all the dishes, cooking, grocery shopping for the both of them. I use to question him about it and he would say that if he didn’t do it, it wouldn’t get done. He actually got on his knees and begged her to come back one time when she walked out on him. He also serves her dinner as she sits at her computer, entranced in her game. He also has a thing for the deli women at the local grocery store. Now, I’m no Adonnis but these chicks aren’t someone you would consider sexually as they are well past their prime and aren’t in any kind of shape that would make them desirable. So, not only did I think he over-reacted, but I think he was being a little self righteous about the whole thing. My response was that we never did anything and she was blameless, and not to be pissed at her. I think I was protecting her because I wasn’t going to be a little bitch and start pointing fingers. I’m not sure what i’m looking for here, if anything, maybe validation or something. I’ve been around the block a few times but life is learning and the lessons don’t end until ur pushing up daisies. I don’t have any plans on contacting her and she isn’t interested enough to seek me out and risk her marriage so right now it’s like the boulder has crashed into the lake, and the ripples of emotion are growing smaller and receding. All in all, I think this will be good for me as I’ve mad a conscious decision to quit smoking and get back into shape. Please discuss.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 2:07 pm Tyrone

      I’ve slept with a few married women. In all cases it was couples I didn’t know very well. When you’re alone and have a married friend with a wife you’re attracted to, your hormones will make the attraction seem more imperative than it really is. Whether he’s a beta or not is immaterial. From a purely selfish standpoint, don’t get involved with a married woman unless its a short term thing with no emotional attachments, because if you end up with her, you end up with a woman who’s not entirely sure of what she wants in life and will likely cuckold you as well given enough time. You’ve probably lost your friend forever, as he now suspects you and if he catches his wife cheating, he’ll still blame you out of association. Learn game and move on. Move somewhere the women are smoking hot and find a new one.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 4:18 pm Ashen

        ive been contemplating a move to Texas or Tennesse. I’ve never been to either place. But I’ve been through the airport at Dallas and it was filled with beauties

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 6:57 pm Tyrone

        I live near Tennessee but don’t spend a lot of time there. I hear Knoxville, where UT is located has a lot of beauties. I think you can do well in Texas too. In both places you have the added benefit of marriageable women, if that’s your thing. By marriageable, I mean nice conservative women with a reasonable amount of religion and good looks who try stay that way. Don’t let church scare you away either. They can be a pussy gold mine. I was at Publix this afternoon and as usual, I noticed there are a number of nice looking women in this area, who have remained nice looking well into their 40s and after a couple of kids too. That’s what you want to marry. Dating only, ONS, etc. is more open.

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      • on January 13, 2012 at 11:22 pm Anonymous

        Texas is a nice place once you get used to the heat during the summer. Houston’s a bit of a pain, being near the ocean (it’s like you’re swimming…literally…any time you’re outside…), but it’s a decent enough place if you’re willing to bear the humidity during the summer along with the heat.

        The women aren’t half bad either. 😀

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 2:08 pm John Norman Howard

      You’re an ass… for loving this online gaming, alcoholic princess… for writing that e-mail… for smoking… for the way you tell a story… but most of all, for probably just being a troll.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 4:09 pm Ashen

        not real sure where the troll comment came from. Can’t argue with the rest of your analysis.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 4:22 pm John Norman Howard

        That was just in case you were pulling our collective (and already long enough) legs with this Twilight Zone tale of yours.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 4:38 pm Ashen

        ahh i see. no, it really happened. thx for pulling no punches too.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 5:03 pm John Norman Howard

        A wise man loves a reproof. Your stock just went up, kid.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 2:13 pm Tyrone

      Move on even more emphatically. If she drinks too much, she’s a train wreck waiting to be rescued. What will you have when you get her? A drunk, lazy, selfish bitch, who dumps on her husband. Your buddy lusts after the deli women because he hasn’t had pussy in months but doesn’t admit it. They just look good to him now because his balls are azure blue. You sound as if you’re in a place with no decent women around. Take a trip to Europe or Japan and get laid and get your head back on tight. Put both of these people out of your mind for good. They will hold you back otherwise.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 3:01 pm Ashen

        “balls are azure blue” too funny. Good advice all around thx for your time.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 4:20 pm Anonymous

        Once you heard him lusting after the deli broads, you should have known the husband wasn’t getting any and your taking it wouldn’t have harmed him anymore than he already had been, self-inflicted.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 4:23 pm John Norman Howard

        And besides, a slice off a cut loaf is never missed.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 4:36 pm Ashen

        lol

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 7:02 pm Tyrone

        I avoid friends’ wives out of respect for my friends. Women do that kind of shit, honorable men don’t.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm Ashen

        You sound as if you’re in a place with no decent women around

        you mean planet earth?

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 7:10 pm Tyrone

        If you go to Europe, you’ll see what the standard should be. Ukraine, Poland, Belarus, Russia, Hungary, etc. all have women that put our spoiled women to shame. French Canada also has really hot women for North America and the Frenchmen there are a bit jealous of them for good reason. So you’ll need to learn some French to get anywhere with them, but they appreciate the attempt too. Western European women are also generally nice, but often have too many stupid shit PC ideas these days. Good, well bred Southern women are the best this nation has to offer. They can actually compete somewhat in Europe because they aren’t loud and pushy, are feminine, well dressed and pretty. Still, you will find women like you’ve only dreamed of in Eastern Europe. European women are generally more elegant and feminine, especially in their poise and bearing. I noticed it immediately when I first moved to Germany mny moons ago.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 9:35 pm Ashen

        i’ve been to europe a couple times. I met an Italian girl in Edinburgh a few days before coming back home. She made me pasta everynight and espresso everymorning. I did meet some french canadians over there too, very nice women, along with Australians. I’d love to go back soon, just need work to pick up a little bit.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 3:15 pm Lance Draper

      Five years from now, you’ll look back and be glad you didn’t screw your buddy’s wife.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 3:56 pm Ashen

        yeah, i’m already glad I didn’t. I ended the friendship last night. I told my buddy to erase my number, Good bye and God Bless. I think i’ve kept some semblence of my honor by leaving.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 4:22 pm Lara

      “Well, the husband spied it out and flew into a hate-filled, invective laced tirade text barrage. He told me that in no way was he threatened by me and he was 100 percent positive that she would never do anything with me, EVER!!”

      What a fool. Either way, she doesn’t sound like much of a catch. Not sure why you are so madly in love with her.

      [heartiste: whenever women wonder why a man is madly in love with a bitch, the answer is almost always her looks.]

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 4:31 pm Ashen

        i’ve known them both since we were in high school. We lost touch when I joined the Navy,(which tingled her) and reconnected at their wedding. That was over 10 years ago. We spent a lot of time together, pretty much every weekend. I think it’s just natural. But objectively you’re correct, why would I love this woman. I think part of it is my pool of candidates is so small the other part is just being around someone for that long. thx for your time.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 4:35 pm Ashen

        i also want to say that i’m glad this blog is out there. It’s a perfect sounding board. and people won’t hold back what they think, which is what one needs when seeking answers. great blog.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 6:44 pm Ian

        Fuck dude, you offering blowjobs to board members too?

        Don’t mean to be rude but think about it, if some hot chick read your MSG history here would you expect her to be attracted to that?

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 9:29 pm Ashen

        dont really give a shit
        and no, i’m not offering blowjobs, but thx for the compilment

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  48. on January 12, 2012 at 12:11 pm Doug1

    Men shouldn’t marry without a prenup that more or less mimics living together in the event of a divorce. No alimony period. Property should be split according to who has title, possession of the bank or investment account (which should be held separately) and who’s the signatory to the credit card, student or other loan obligation.

    Marriage is no longer necessarily for life, but rather only for so long as a wife wished to remain together, under no fault divorce. When women stop doing anything for men by divorcing them any time they feel like (and women file for divorce 2.5x as often as men, and much more often than that in the case of college educated married couples with kids), men shouldn’t have to pay alimony of fork over their own savings and wealth increase from their own income to their ex wives. Women can earn at all levels of the workforce these days, depending upon their individual abilities, drives and priorities.

    More on what i think should be in a prenup and why it’s fair, here:

    http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2011/12/28/hookinguprealities/how-to-attack-a-blogger/comment-page-3/#comment-86274

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  49. on January 12, 2012 at 12:15 pm Doug1

    xsplat–

    I now believe a big part of LTR game is good old fashioned economic hand.

    Earning a lot more money than your girl while living with her but not marrying her pretty much automatically maintains hand in America except in 10 common law marriage states. Canada’s even worse in that you don’t even have to hold yourself out as married to friends, family and acquaintances, you merely need to have cohabited for two to three years depending on the province.

    However most middle class and up Americans will want to marry if they’re gonna have kids. If so, only do it with the sort of prenup I recommend. See the link above.

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  50. on January 12, 2012 at 12:58 pm Ovid

    I’m surprised Heartiste hasn’t reviewed WOMEN’S INFIDELITY by Michelle Langley yet. I think I emailed him the pdf a while ago. It’s straight from the horses mouth.

    Then ther is this:

    http://www.abcmarriedwomen.com/

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 5:03 pm Doug1

      Roger Devlin has done a distillation of the best stuff Michelle Langley had to say in his long article “Rotating Polyandry and it’s Discontents”. It’s available on the web. I’m not sure I’ve got the last three words of the title right, so leave them out of a google search. Not needed I’m sure.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 5:55 pm Ovid

        Devlin is one of my favorites. Read all his stuff immediately as it comes out. That essay you cite is insightful. SEXUAL UTOPIA IN POWER was his best effort, in my opinion. In his later essays, hosted at The Last Ditch*, he seems to have reverted a bit to a “Leave it to Beaver” type of conservatism that is risible in light of his earlier essays.

        Langley’s WOMEN’S INFIDELITY is grittier than Devlin’s treatment of it.

        *www.thornwalker.com/ditch/devlin_contents.htm

        *http://thornwalker.com/ditch/index.html

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      • on January 13, 2012 at 11:19 pm Anonymous

        It’s “Rotating Polyandry- and it’s Enforcers”. Shows up all over the place on a Google search (Even Dalrock references it in one his posts…).

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    • on January 13, 2012 at 10:50 pm Anonymous

      Heh…how do you think the Ashley Madison Agency makes as much money as they do?

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  51. on January 12, 2012 at 1:27 pm Game is science « Rivelino in Spain

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  52. on January 12, 2012 at 3:41 pm Corvinus

    “…and thou shalt be under thy husband’s power, and he shall have dominion over thee.” Gen. 3:16.

    Conversely, the curse that God puts women under is a mixed blessing for men, with this caveat: If we do NOT have the woman under our power and dominion, she won’t be our wife for much longer.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 3:59 pm John Norman Howard

      Adam’s curse as well… for initially being a beta, perhaps?

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 6:17 pm Corvinus

        Exactly. Being beta to a woman is an offense against God. It caused Adam’s fall. Remember that, manginas.

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      • on January 12, 2012 at 7:19 pm Tyrone

        I think so. But hey, he was set up for failure too.

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  53. on January 12, 2012 at 6:13 pm John Salt

    The best use of this information might be to gauge the “Alpha-starvation” of the girls in your sphere, i.e., ascertaining the likelyhood of their predilections for cheating. With you.

    Try making this assessment of your girl’s (or girls’) friends, on your female co-workers or classmates, on the other attached women in your various social areas. Get the scoop on their relationships with their respective boyfriends. Sniff out weakness, and the feminine craving that must accompany it.

    Then attack the most vulnerable (willing) targets. Avoid jews.

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    • on January 12, 2012 at 8:35 pm john

      Avoid jews?

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  54. on January 13, 2012 at 5:29 pm itsme

    let your woman wear the pants in the relationship and you could end up like this:

    http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1114925–man-brutally-tortured-by-his-wife-and-her-boyfriend-in-toronto-apartment?bn=1

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    • on January 14, 2012 at 10:42 pm Anonymous

      Listen, up, all you sick bitches out the into cuckholding and humiliating your man for kicks… NO way, NO how.

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  55. on January 13, 2012 at 5:39 pm Catch your cheating spouse

    Sometimes, deceit within a partnership is hard to avoid since there are a lot of temptations out there. While “being human” is at times an admissable excuse for being cheated on by a straying husband or wife, this should not be the case. Catching an unfaithful partner is going to be a complicated mission since the facts will not come out easily.If you are at a stage in your partnership where you have that terrible sense deep down inside that your wife/husband is cheating then it may be time to start observing for the clues of infidelity.

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    • on January 20, 2012 at 12:08 pm Tyrone

      Its usually pretty obvious. There are lots of tell tale signs.

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  56. on January 13, 2012 at 8:36 pm Mike

    They cheat cause they live in one of these cities…

    http://www.yourtango.com/2012128905/where-are-all-sensitive-men-hiding-these-10-cities

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  57. on January 14, 2012 at 9:42 pm Man Worry About Losing Their Job More Than Their Wife Cheating On Them.

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  58. on January 17, 2012 at 10:41 pm Gramps

    Well, if you aren’t married and she cheats, so what? Dump her. Really, there are a lot of women out there. If you can’t get another one, well, look for something else to do until you get more attractive to them. like, if you care.

    If you are married and she cheats, well, you made the first mistake. Of course, you insisted on paternity testing and you have a strong prenup, don’t you? If she balked at either, why the hell did you marry her?

    Anyhow, if she cheats, just once, dump her. She doesn’t respect you. You will also improve your self image. You are a man who won’t tolerate a slut. Accepting cheating in your partner just poisons your whole life. You are way better off alone or with another woman.

    The older I get, the more I realize that marriage is not for young men these days. It will last way too long, for one thing. American women are generally not worth a lifetime commitment. They are too narcissistic. Just try reading their books and magazines. They like the slut with the dragoon tattoo and the Twilight series. Need I say more?

    Kids are the only thing I have gotten from my marriage that I value long term. Kids are good, but you can have children when you are in your 50’s if you keep yourself healthy. And, then you don’t wind up burdened with an old woman who happens to be your wife.

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    • on January 20, 2012 at 12:07 pm Tyrone

      That’s what I’m doing. They’ll all dance on my grave and fight over my boots when I’m gone anyway.

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  59. on January 29, 2012 at 1:24 am Feminism, Conservatism, and Radical Traditionalism « MANSIZEDTARGET.COM

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