Barack Obama, June 4, 2008 (via Mangan’s):
Now let me be clear. Israel’s security is sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable.
. . .
Any agreement with the Palestinian people must preserve Israel’s identity as a jewish state, with secure, recognized, defensible borders.
Barack Obama, January 6, 2012:
Illegal immigrants closely related to U.S. citizens would no longer have to leave the country to try to obtain legal status under a proposed change in immigration policy announced Friday by President Barack Obama’s administration.
The change, which would greatly reduce the amount of time U.S. citizens are separated from undocumented family members seeking legal status, is the latest attempt by the Obama administration to use its authority to implement some immigration reforms without congressional approval.
It makes one wonder. Are the American elite ignorant of their hypocrisy and double standards, or is it that they just don’t give a shit?
PS I have no quarrel with the premise of the quote in the top half of this post.
Asia for Asians. Africa for Africans. White countries for everybody!
Sound fair, you bet your white ass it isn’t.
But you know what, ‘they’ don’t care that it isn’t. ‘They’ want you dead, extinct, and humiliated.
Wake up white man.
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mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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very cool website thanks for making my life that much better.
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White countries are for rich white people and their army of brown servants. Rich white men already know this.
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HBD is a bitch. Aint it? Keep crying.
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Marxist drivel… most White people aren’t rich… and the slight advantages of the rich having a few muds around are far-outweighed by the havoc said muds create within the society… from which the poor and middle-class Whites have to suffer.
The suffering, apparently, hasn’t become intolerable for most… yet.
There are still a lot of wide-open spaces where Whites are left alone.
And where the encroachment is growing, there are still 130 channels on the dish and a McD’s and Wal-mart filled with stuff on every corner.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
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Is this you?
or:
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Speakin’ of muds…
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/mich.-family%3A-grandmother-assaulted-at-chuck-e.-cheese%27s-20120116
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I find this guy to be especially annoying. Moreover, his skill in debate tells me he is a paid activist. This conversation would have quickly escalated into a fist fight had I been present.
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And the middle east for white people. Hey: I’ve seen Israelis. Those guys are *white*. It’s the arabs who are semitic.
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Alert us when Israelis go to war for white Americans. Til then, piss off.
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Yeah I wonder why they want your white ass dead…Wiped out the Natives in the American continents with disease…Colonized and made Africa your b!tch for super long, got China hooked on drugs and started the Opium Wars when they tried to actually get off of it.. Not to mention India, Australia and still in this current day you still fvck up small nations like Korea Vietnam Iraq and Afghanistan based partially on petty Cold War grudges, partially so your military complex gets funding.
Not to mention France testing above air nukes in Africa after most of the world agreed not to do it, getting Africans to fight for France during WW2 with the promise of independence and still not giving it…
Get real, white people colonized the world for centuries, buttfvcked countless peoples, now when the people you oppressed for so long move in to the country you live in (because hey you yourself ingrained them with the idea that your country is superior to theirs), you cry “Blah blah they’re trying to kill us”.
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Funny how the White man is such a beast, and yet you shitskins can’t get enough of us and our civilization.
Whatever the White man’s sins (and we have plenty), his virtues and what he’s given the world more than atone… the West stopped slavery, ended a lion’s share of the diseases which plagued mankind, and the minds of the West created a standard of living never before seen on the planet.
And you big-mouthed hate YT assholes look pretty foolish, talking shit about him whilst enjoying the world and technology his built.
Like the proverb says: If you’re going to bitch about farmers, try not to talk with your mouth full.
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Just because we Fucked you over first is no reason to let you fuck us back.
By the way, a thank-you for the modern world would be nice.
Developing countries wouldn’t have the population to invade the west had misguided idiots not given you the secrets of medicine and anti-septics to cut down the child mortality rate.
But if you want to go back to most kids dying of disease before age ten in a shithole with no running water or power, hey, be our guest.
And even though the computer you are typing on was probably made in Asia by some of the only people ever to come close to Europeans the basic concepts were all evil “Whiteys” doing, so hand that laptop in at the door while it hits you on the arse on the way out.
The above still holds if you are white. Self hating fools are the reason the West is in the shit that it is.
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>>>Get real, white people colonized the world for centuries, buttfvcked countless peoples
So may I conclude that you are opposed to 1400 years of bulls*t religious JIHAD from Mohammed?
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Without colonization, you clowns wouldn’t even be able to function in a modern world. Cry me a river with your selective recollection of history. Kill off White people and all you’ll have left is Zimbabwe. You think we’re going to let you have what we’ve built so easily? Think again. The days of your race mongering and abuse of white people’s sense of fairness are over. You’ve had your black president and you’re still 3rd world shit stains. Now Whitey doesn’t have to feel sorry for you any more. Bring it on shit bag.
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Mark, I see your intelligence deficit is getting in the way of your reading comprehension here. What a horrible curse you darkies have in that regard. What white people are saying is we’re tired of people from other races either not contributing or contributing negatively, ie. being scum. Anyone found to be non white and scum will slowly be weeded out, and the last stupidest fuckers will be killed. Just like in Russia now, you can watch it on Youtube if you want a taste.
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The latter. They WANT the North American Union to become a reality.
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Gee, millions of swpls
vote for a black commie
to make themselves feel better.
Then, deal with these predictable consequences
with backpedaling and obfuscation.
Now I can sleep…
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Dumbya made sure to keep our legs spread nice and wide too.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/02/09/MNGOKB837T1.DTL
Oh, he ran out of money to pay for more border patrol agents. Funny that around the same time he gave corporations a one-year tax holiday on repatriated foreign earnings.
These traitors all play for the same team.
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Oh ya, anyone who thinks that the “right wing” elites are on the side of poor pale faces is kidding themselves.
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Please, negro. I eat and my wife and kids eat because a white man gave me a job. Wealthy men will pay you to do their math and computer programming and whatever else.
And their little daughters ain’t so had, either. Lot skinnier than poor fat trash.
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FUCK “DUMBYA”
He’s NOW powerless – OUT of power.
WORRY ABOUT the guy WITH the POWER NOW.
Do you want to be a slave forever – to the msm’s whipsaw?
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Not to mention… well, you can’t make this up (see below):
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Outrageous!!
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It’s one of the biggest double-standards in modern world affairs. Israel is supposed to be ‘sacrosanct’ and fully justified in running an apartheid state, while the….uh….descendants of Israel beat Americans over the head for trying to maintain our own sacrosanct state of security. I will support Israel’s right to secure it’s borders the day that the kosher lobby in the US, including AIPAC, the ACLU, and the SPLC, packs their fucking bags and heads back to their sand pit. Until then, fuck those hypocritical douchebags sideways.
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A fair point…
I am in favor of any ethnic group doing “whatever is necessary” to secure their existence and a future for their children…
That said, then don’t begrudge me and mine the same… and if our interests conflict, well… spoils go to the victor.
That said, once you establish a homeland by whatever means necessary… then GO THERE and leave my people alone.
This means you, Jews… I’ll support your Israel only as long as you don’t begrudge me mine.
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Typical Jews: conserve & preserve theirs, liberalize & destroy everyone else.
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No, not the same folks. I call these over here JINO (Jews in name only). In fact, they are fairly often either anti-Israel (ex.Soros) or indifferent. Most of them are “progressives” and secular.
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I will support Israel the day it stops making the biggest oil suppliers our ennemies, and force us to spend billions of dollars and thousands of american lives to secure our energy supply while oil is still out there.
The iraqi mess is not because of wmds, it’s because saddam wanted to wipe out israel. The fuck should we care?
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You think the angry muz would love America without Israel?
Traitors like you should go live in muzlakistan with your brother compatriots.
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Muslims are no threat to us, no matter if they hate us. We can close our borders and kick the ass of their countries
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No, the Iraq war was because Saddam wanted to sell oil in Euro rather than dollars. Nuh-uh.
Petropolitics is simple: oil is denominated in USD, which the USA simply prints. In return, the oil prioducing nations get US “security”. This means that the US protects the elites in those countries from their own people.
But the whole system started going to shit when the US started losing its wars.
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Yep. Saddam was an example of what happens when you try to leave the Godfather protection racket. Too bad for him he couldn’t actually harm America, then he might have earned “useful boogeyman” status like OBL.
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Please, Saddam never wanted to wipe out Israel. He wanted two things: power and more power. He invaded Iran and then Kuwait to seize more oil fields, and he always tried to keep a wide berth of the Americans.
He would have told us that he didn’t have WMDs except that he was terrified that the Iranians would attack if they knew how weak he was. The only surprise is that we didn’t better utilize him as a pet dictator, like we usually do with guys like him.
The US invaded Iraq because GWB is an idiot. It was never in their interests. Now, I’m not saying that it hasn’t been a net positive for humanity, but it was poor politics by GWB. Democracies are harder to buy off than dictatorships: just look how fast Egypt is turning against Israel now that the people are getting freedom and power. Good for humanity, bad for the US and Israel.
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“The US invaded Iraq because GWB is an idiot. It was never in their interests.”
depends how you define interests. I know of many industrialists, oil cos, contractors and bankers that made a killing on iraq. i have friends in an intl law firm based out of canada that helped rewrite iraqs constitution to make oil more accessible to western oil cos. interesting how obama’s still in there, and the imperial palace that is the green zone. a hell of a prize- at the cost of what? your tax dollars (dont worry the fed will print the $ to cover you for now) and the lives of a few thousand cannon fodder?
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“”The US invaded Iraq because GWB is an idiot.””
Something all Moonbats and Wingnuts can fully agree on.
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You mean Canada and Mexico? Those are the biggest oil suppliers. As for Iraq, check what’s its supply to US. Zilch. It was not, apparently, about oil.
As for WMD, what do you think of 500 tons of uranium ore shipped quietly from Iraq to Canada through from 2006 through 2009?
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Shouldn’t we have the right to lobby for our own interests the same as the others do?
As just one example, I’ve worked in an office with an Asian-American (love the hyphen) that had posted up a sticker for “Asian Pacific American Heritage Association” in their cubicle.
Can you imagine the shitstorm if I, as a “White or European descended American” had posted such a sticker in MY cubicle?
I don’t actually want White Americans to form such contrived organizations, but we shouldn’t shy away when the mobs come after us for protecting our way of life.
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White Americans are perfectly capable of lobbying for their interests, you’re just not allowed to explicitly put it in racial terms because your country was founded on the backs of slaves and dead Indians. Get over it. Are you really so allergic to polite euphemisms?
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The country was founded on the brains and hard work of Whites… slaves didn’t build this country, any more than horses or mules.
As far as the “dead Indians” go, well… the story of history is the story of conqueror and conquered…
I’m not going to apologize for my race’s success…
Leastwise, not while I’m communicating using the very technology made possible by that race.
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“because your country was founded on the backs of slaves and dead Indians.”
You mean the crops of the southern agrarian economy was founded on the backs of slaves. Though of course everything else was founded and built by English, Scottish, German, Swiss, Polish, Irish, Italian, even Chinese immigrants. Many of whom led lives more brutal than plantation darkies. But let’s ignore all that to score points against other whites in the name of the Black Undertow which is doing us so much good to keep in bling.
Nothing came of the dead Injuns.
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New rule for 2012: always capitalize White(s).
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A ‘polite euphemism’ would be to call you a fecal discharge. What Whites are expected to do, celebrate their own displacement and disappearance, is far from politeness.
And this country was built on the backs of European immigrants. Whatever work the old farm equipment might’ve done has been long undone by their savage destructiveness.
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For how long? These things you mention happened more than 150 years ago.
100 years? 500 years? 2 millennia?
How is someone that his grandparents came to America in 1920 and has pale skin responsible for any of that stuff that happened so long ago?
David Yeagley, a Comanche, says pale faces were better warriors. Get over it.
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Americans are the only country stupid enough to elevate the colors of the people they conquered and destroyed to enjoy the wealth of the land.
The Normans didn’t start an EEOC for Anglo-Saxons – no, they crushed and oppressed them until they fucking behaved.
White Americans are, in fact, quite incapable and impotent in lobbying for their interests against groups they don’t even have the courage to eradicate.
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That must be why American Indians are extinct and blacks are a broken, sickly people living in isolated ghettoes.
Fucking idiot.
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That’s bullshit, lobbing for white rights is just as bad in countries with no history of slave trade. In many of these countries non white crime is rampant even though white minorities are small in number, but you’re not allowed to talk about it, and the press all keeps quiet about it. The arabs had more black slaves, the Chinese had a ton of (castrated) slaves, all over Africa they had slaves, in fact, blacks sold them to whites in the first place when they bought them for farms and work. But of course, it’s whites that get nailed to the cross for having slaves. For everyone else it’s something you don’t talk about. The Inkas were unbelievably brutal with tons of torture and sacrifices in daily lives. Their sivilisation went flat on his face because it couldn’t compete with something that was far more humane and advanced than itself. The reason why it fell apart so quickly was noone wanted it except a few leaders, and it didn’t work very well. It’s called progress.
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The rank hypocrisy is evident – there is little to compare the real circumstances of Israel with the US. They are free societies surrounded by other places that resemble hell on earth because of the ignorance and poverty of the citizenry and the stupidity of those who lord it over them. Consequently they are inhibited by destructive nihilists with the mentality of “if we can’t have it, why should they?”
The difference is that Israel built a wall.
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“Now let me be clear” is possibly my favorite Obamaism. Its his “I sound serious, but don’t give a shit” opener. The man really has no stance on any issue other than inciting class warfare and making sure more and more people are able to live off gumbmint checks.
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Remember when the “mask slipped?”
When Andrea Mitchell said that Iowa was “too white?”
This power grab is the appetizer. The full-on amnesty for all illegal immigrants will be Obama’s second-term main course. The elites won’t have to worry about those portly, faith-and-family white folks romanticizing the 1950’s anymore. Those who yearn for Mayberry will see their party of choice slip into permanent minority (heh) status. As angry as they’ll be inept, the pedestalizing neocons will be good little cogs and take their patriotic butthexing without lube…
All while their daughters and grandaughters do the same without consequence and with whomever they choose.
Learn game and find your western culture escape hatch.
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Cue the bus-loads of Somali and Ethiopian skinnies.
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In my late teens, I thought that George W Bush was the greatest man of the century. Fighting for freedom, bringing the Light of American Democracy towards the whole world, and bringing all the backward countries into the XXI century.
Now I get sad whenever the number of dead American soldiers in Afghanistan drops from one month to the other. THat country is to backward to civilize, yet if America wins there, it means that here in Brazil we will be taxed more to subsidize the underclasses, more feminist legislation, more anti-Christian nonsense on TV and so on
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The top half does not contradict the bottom half of the post.
The first quote deals with Palestinians or other outside groups in the area attacking Israel in terms of violence or outright seizure of land.
[heartiste: the first quote deals with securing and defending israel’s border, something which the second quote indicates the president won’t countenance for america’s border.]
The bottom quote deals with people already here trying to obtain legalized status.
[those people that are already here are illegal aliens who crossed an unsecured border which security is the federal government’s first and foremost duty, abdicated as it was and continues to be. that these migrants are *already here* is irrelevant in the sense of the quotes illustrating hypocrisy in the matter of defending a nation’s borders.]
If someone is trying to obtain citizenship and they have family here it would only make sense to let them stay to wait on the status of said citizenship.
[actually, if the elite weren’t hypocritical on this issue, it would make sense for them to repatriate — forcibly expel if necessary — any illegal alien, regardless of their efforts to obtain citizenship.]
Two different things. You try and claim hypocrisy when there is none.
[there is. you just engage in squid ink sophistry because you don’t want to see it.]
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Squid ink indeed, one can either be pro-amnesty and pro-Palestinian or for border security for both countries. Both positions are intellectually valid rational positions to argue from.
Anyone arguing for different standards for similar problems is acting in bad faith and should be distrusted for hidden motivations.
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The same with other issues.
I can understand a devout Christian being pro-life and anti-death penalty.
I can understand a cynical realist being pro-choice and pro-death penalty.
I just get into trouble when people try to explain positions that mix the two.
[heartiste: i’m in the pro-choice, pro-death penalty category, but i can easily offer a consistent and legit explanation for the pro-life, pro-death penalty view. fetuses are innocent, death row convicts are guilty.]
If Israel has the right to protect it’s cultural, religious and ethnic identity [however defined] then America and the rest of the West, particularly Europe, has the same right.
[true. but playing devil’s advocate, people who support israel’s right to defensible national borders and an ethnically unified polity might try to argue that america has been a polyglot of ethnicities and races since its inception, therefore america is morally duty-bound to keep its borders open. they would be wrong in this argument, but it won’t stop them from foisting it on intellectually weak and cowardly opponents of the anti-white globalist project.]
Trying to argue against one but not the other is slightly dotty.
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I am pro-choice, rather queasily (it’s a disgusting abdication of a woman’s sole responsibility) but it beats having unwanted babies grow up to steal your car radio, ruin any neighborhood, and vote for negrocrats.
I am against the death penalty because most government workers, including cops and lawyers, are too stupid to catch & execute the guilty. Far too often they fu-k up innocent people’s lives, and in the process, allow monsters years to roam.
Cops are by and large fat, working class idgits; lawyers are generally femcunts or nutless SWIPLS.
Happily,most areas of the US allow the purchase of two reliable means if protection – condoms, and guns. If you’re a grown man, I recommend you buy ’em.
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“The first quote deals with Palestinians or other outside groups in the area attacking Israel in terms of violence or outright seizure of land.”
id like you to provide one example of a palestinian or “outside group” seizing any of israel’s land (or even trying to).
just one.
(hint: you’re half right).
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1948, 1967, 1973.
Hows that?
Israelis might have taken the land, but trying to argue that no-one has tried to take it back is absurd.
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67 and 73 were wars israel started. 67 was a war israel started, claiming it was in response to the buildup of egyptian soldiers in sinai (egypt). the illegality of preventive war notwithstanding allegations of egyptian military buildups are a PR ruse, as admitted by many israeli politicians and historians-the fact is the few soldiers in sinai could hardly be considered a threat to israel at that time. 73 happened because syria and egypt tried to *reclaim land* (golan & sinai) stolen by israel during the 67 war.
while it is true that 48 was arguably started by the arab nations, it happened in response to a unilateral subdivision of palestinian land, whereby ~8% of the population (jews) received 55% of the land. in that sense, the arab reaction to the unilateral and greedy land pilfering by an organization that completely disregarded the wishes of the majority population of the country they were dividing is completely reasonable.
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They tried several times, but weren’t successful. Read Hamas charter, it’s still on, they dream of Judenrein Palestine.
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Uh- how about the wars of 1948, 1967, 1973? The Arab countries invaded the newly formed state of Israel in 48, (an outside group of their “Brother Arabs – Palestinians is a geographic, not a racial, designation) with the avowed goal of killing/removing Jews and replacing them with Arabs Muslims. This is an example, per your request, of “a palestinian or “outside group” seizing any of israel’s land (or even trying to).”
1967- a pre-emptive strike by Israel started that war, after years of Arab drum-beating for the same attempt as in 48.
1973- the invasion of the Sinai and the invasion of the Golan Heights by Arab countries; same story.
Violence? What do you call missiles raining down and suicide bombing attacks?
I personally have no problem with Israel’s defending its’ borders. I have a major problem with the hypocrisy of leftist Jews who decry any American attempt to do the same thing.
And when it comes to choosing sides, I paraphrase J.M. Keynes comment about Communism:”How can I adopt a creed which, preferring the mud to the fish, exalts the boorish proletariat above the bourgeois and the intelligentsia who, with whatever faults, are the quality in life and surely carry the seeds of all human advancement?”
How can a civilized man support barbarism over civilization? A culture that raises and educates its’ children, as opposed to one who encourages their deaths and keeps them as ignorant as possible? (Granted, with their low IQ’s they don’t have much to work with, but still- even mestizos and Africans by comparison, aren’t that retarded.)
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How can a civilized man support barbarism over civilization?
Because he seeks to reorder civilization’s rules to allow him an opportunity to be seen as a pioneer in the new system and therefore obtain political favor and thereby increased status. It works sometimes. Look at Heydrich and Eichman. You could say it about most of the leading Nazis. Its also true of Communists, only Stalin made sure most of the early supporters of the movement didn’t survive, especially if they had talent.
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Per your definition, I don’t consider Nazis and Communists to be civilized. Most people nowadays would probably agree with me on this.
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Most high level Nazis were highly cultured and educated. To say otherwise belies the facts. Heydrich’s parents were music instructors and very much humanists. That didn’t prevent their son from becoming the murderer he became out of a perceived advantage to changing the rules. They were simply prepared to go the extra step and kill their opposition. Their ideal was a marriage of high culture with high savagery as needed. Did you know that about 1/3 of Nazi party members were trained doctors or pharmacists? About a fourth were lawyers. 9 of the 12 members of the Wannsee conference were also lawyers. Germany was also seen as the most literate nation in the world in the early twenties. Man can rationalize anything. You’re simply arguing with how they reorganized things and saying it wasn’t civilized. Although I agree in general terms with your point, It doesn’t change the basic incentive for radicals to change the existing power structure to their advantage, however.
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Be that as it may, the original founders were in many cases disenfranchized and working class from Munich, capital of the most traditional part of Germany. Think of the brown shirts, later destroyed by their own.
They very quickly, as you’ve noted, expanded to include middle class betas, for whom the aura of the conservative fascist restored a sense of masculinity no doubt lost by the thinking man’s Weimar Republic.
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“1973- the invasion of the Sinai and the invasion of the Golan Heights by Arab countries; same story.”
i love how you cite facts that contradict yourself. egypt going into sinai and syrian going into golan are examples of countries trying to reclaim their own land back (that was stolen from them both in 67). and yet you cite it as an EG of israels perpetual victim complex.
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Well the Arabs sent a lot of tanks over. I remember the footage. It was armored vehicles of every description as far as the eye could see from both the SW and East. Israel still kicked their ass.
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I think Heartiste’s point is that whether or not the original land was theirs by any legal sense of the word, they have conquered it and held it and that is, if not admirable or lawful, formidable.
Alpha isn’t “right” or “wrong”, it’s just successful.
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Seems like quite a few Iranian nuclear physicists are getting blown to smithereens lately. I wonder how far back this will set their nuclear program? I mean, Uranium is easy to come by, nuclear physicists not so much. So you see, it helps to a smart and ruthless ally in the Middle East. I think our special relationship with Israel will pay off in the long run.
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I love the heartfelt obit. in the New York Treacherous Times. Nice sweet photo of the man posing with his family. That sweet man who wanted to give achmadinndejacket and cuntmanny nukes. Poor guy.
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You’re the same sort of asshole that would cry like a wounded buzzard if someone assassinated American or Israeli scientists.
A country has a right to its defenses and development thereof… energy included… especially when its potential enemies already have progressed that far.
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You have to be one stupid fucking shit to equivocate between allies and enemies. You’re right, we would cry like wounded buzzards if someone assassinated friendly scientists. I’m also perfectly fine with cops shooting rapists and murderers while crying like a buzzard if a 5 year old girl gets shot by a gangbanger. What the fuck is your point exactly? The only “right” Iran’s government workers have is to jump off a cliff.
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Iran is the enemy of whom?
My enemy.
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You could be right, but I take a lot more stock in the explanation that Israel is killing Iranian physicists to try and provoke a war. Iran is unlikely to be dumb enough to allow sufficient numbers of scientists to be killed to derail the program. Sure, it might delay things, but that’s just kicking the can down the road.
However if they can provoke Iran into attacking them, Israel can then reattack with full US support (something that they are unlikely to get if they strike first). A US mission would come with greater strike capability, the possibility of a ground invasion force, and a much higher probability of stopping the Iranians for good. Therefore it’s in the Israeli’s best interests to escalate as much as possible without actually starting a war, and killing physicists is one way to do this.
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A fair point… but then let’s admit this whole thing is just the law of the jungle… and please, then, no more crocodile tears about Nazis and past atrocities, both real and imagined.
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I’d like to say nobody is stupid enough to do a ground invasion of iran when a bombing campaign’s just as good with far fewer casualties but then again the US elected a community organizer with no sense, knowledge, experience or any qualification whatsoever so nothing surprises me anymore.
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“I think our special relationship with Israel will pay off in the long run.”
There was never a nation in existence that profited from a “special relationship” with Jews. But hold your breath for it if you like — one would be pleased with one less philosemite apologist in the world maintaining the lie as the “special relationship” erodes us to nothing.
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The profit comes not in this world but the next! Their God will reward us in the afterlife for all our sufferings!
/sarcasm
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Shouldn’t this be published in the latest Ron Paul newsletter?
[heartiste: it should be published in every newsletter.]
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Funny how the cognitive dissonance peanut gallery crawls out of the woodwork whenever the head nigger’s incompetence and/or Israel’s carte blanche is questioned.
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We have a true beta as president of the United States. Bowing to foreigners, doing the little jejune fuck finger on the side of his face in public settings, and, worst of all, obviously being pussy whipped by that harridan of a wife of his.
Did you ever see the picture of him in situation room while Seal Team 6 was waxing bin Laden? Bent over like a schoolboy with a stomach ache. Hilary looked tougher.
Of course that’s on top (a) he’s really not very bright at all (b) what ideas he in fact has are really stupid, and (c) his demagogic false choice straw man rhetoric is his only way to communicate. And he needs a teleprompter to do it, otherwise its “ums” until the cows come home.
If this guy gets another four years, I may slit my wrists.
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New-leftism in general is betaism.
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You’re an idiot: Barack may be a lot of things, but dumb isn’t one of them. If anything, he’s too smart in that it’s allowed him to reach the presidency prior to having enough experience to sufficiently take advantage of the post.
Stop letting your ideology blind you.
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Bwahahaha…oh my god, too smart…oh…that’s a good one. Oh you were serious…
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“If this guy gets another four years, I may slit my wrists.”
Prep the blades, cause he’s gonna win. The GOP is in deep shit, unemployment is decreasing, and obama is more popular than ever. You got a checkmate right there.
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“Are the American elite ignorant of their hypocrisy and double standards, or is it that they just don’t give a shit?”
the elite benefit from status quo israel (land thieving and warmongering) because it is essentially the United States’ pitbull in the Middle East; it is the only guaranteed military outpost in CENTCOM’s jurisdiction. its also a great lab to test advanced military tech on an ongoing basis. Israel serves as a useful proxy to project military power with plausible deniability. Which is why Bush, Obama, Clinton etc lament their constant building of “settlements” for eastern european and ethiopian jews, yet still increase funding to the point where israel receives exponentially more (military) aid than any other country in the world.
as for illegal immigrants (by which you probly mean mexicans), who do you think does the landscaping of the elite, tends to their vineyards, washes their dishes etc, usually for much less than legal minimum wage. even the opus one winery in napa valley-a winery that spares no expense during the whole winemaking process-employs mexican migrants as field laborers.
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“George Bush mannn, is like the greatest terrorist man. You know? And like… man… money is like, you know, just, like, a system. Yeah? It’s all fucked up man.”
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The US largely supports Israel because of a large and powerful Jewish lobby combined with fundamentalist Christians. Full stop. Domestic politics always trumps all (see The Dictators Handbook for elaboration).
The US is still far more of a Democracy than you think, the elite don’t completely run the place.
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there’s an interesting academic debate as to the role of the lobby and the extent of its influence. there is no doubt the israeli lobby is powerful (second after AARP last i checked), yet its kind of odd to think of the american hegemon being wagged by an israeli tail, merely to placate likudnik types who seek a greater israel and demand the destruction of all who oppose. personally, i think the lobby exists to give the US plausible deniability and control the public debate and keep any non-israel 1st politicians in line.
i look at the funding-military aid- and note that egypt was the second biggest recipient while mubarak was still in power. now why is that: is it because of the egyptian lobby? or is it because egypt and israel are both such key geostrategic allies in such a crucial oil producing region? more to the point, look at how recent arab revolutions have threatened to fatally undermine US presence in the region. without jordan and egypt, who do you have? iraq, afghanistan and israel. the first two aren’t going so well. course there’s also jordan, saudi arabia, bahrain, but all of those are wobbly dictatorships who very well may be overthrown by their populations. like i said, israel is the safety net for the US military presence in the middle east. theyre the enforcer that the US relies upon to do its dirty work, the bad cop so that the US can maintain its “freedom & democracy” foreign policy mask.
i never said the US was not a democracy. but its also (and more accurately) a plutocracy. an oligarchy whose legitimacy derives from the ignorant votes of its population who don’t seem to realize their two party syst serves the elites at the expense of the general population. ever notice how republican and democrats have almost identical foreign and domestic policies?
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i look at the funding-military aid- and note that egypt was the second biggest recipient while mubarak was still in power. now why is that: is it because of the egyptian lobby?
No it was due to the Carter Camp David Peace Accords from 1978 that essentially bribed Egypt with this money in order to keep them from invading Israel again. Without Egypt, an Arab coalition to destroy Israel is not strong enough to win.
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my question was rhetorical. egypt made peace with israel once it gave back the sinai stolen from egypt in 1967. israels nuclear program is all it needs to defend itself; they and others know this. the “aid” (or money-for-weapons) packages both israel and egypt receive are an interesting issue. i suppose it may have been initially intended by carter to reassure egypt that it would not be vulnerable in future military conflict, but the fact that mubarak was consistently (and increasingly) armed to the gills in spite of how much of an oppressive dictator he was seems to suggest that the deal later became an investment in an american puppet in a country of crucial geostrategic importance.
this is why the arab spring was welcomed by everyone except israelis and the obama administration, who only voiced support for the revolution when it was clear mubarak was done for. i also recall hillary clinton calling the mubaraks ‘close family friends’.this from a political elite that supposedly wants to spread “freedom & democracy” (R) in the ME.
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The Sinai, stolen?
The Sinai was taken during an Israeli advance, the result of a war which the arabs instigated. Bleat “THEY PRE-EMPTED” all you want, it doesnt change the fact that Egypt and its cronies were jonesing to eradicate those “infidel yahudi” and would have made an attempt, whether or not Israel pre-empted.
Egypt failed; it’s military and the militaries of its allies, were weak and poorly commanded. Israel trounced them in one of modern history’s most epic instances of warfare. And as Israel advanced on Cairo and the Canal, they took the Sinai peninsula, an open desert full of bedouins and rocks.
Thats what war is, winners and losers. How beta is it, to cry about the “stolen” Sinai? If they didn’t want to lose territory, Egypt shouldn’t have played war with the big kids. Remember that time Japan slaughtered untold numbers of women and children in Nanking? Or that time the US firebombed civilian targets in Germany and Japan? Or the time the Russians raped and pillaged their way to Berlin and then turned half of Germany into a giant crazy-camp? Or that time we tested superweapons against two Japanese civilian targets? Israel taking the Sinai was paltry in comparison. What are you bleating about, again?
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Oh I almost forgot. Israel returned the Sinai, during peace talks. So why are you bleating?
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Get real, Homer. The total amount of aid to Israel is on the order of 2.5-3 billion per year. The U.S. spends, domestically, 4 billion on potato chips every year. It’s hardly a big deal when most of the aid is recycled back to the US as weapons purchase from American companies. Israel serves as an R&D lab for American military suppliers.
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R&D lab for weapons and civilian tech (cell phones, anyone?), somewhat unreliable foil to American interests in the region, useful scapegoat for joint espionage activities, source of information on the region, distraction from our bedfellowship with those vampiric bloodsuckers, the Saudis, and an easy chip by which politicians can attract funding from Jews without changing their domestic agendas.
Also a moderately attractive alternative to partnerships with Arab nations who are, “democratic” or not, by and large reprehensible and pathetic.
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Hey smart guy — Israel is in EUCOM, not CENTCOM:
http://www.defense.gov/home/features/2009/0109_unifiedcommand/
Get facts straight before pontificating.
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CENTCOM covers middle east. israel is smack dab in the middle of that region. youre right about israel being in EUCOM, though, at least in theory if not practise (CENTCOM folks do a lot of israel work but as you point out it is plausibly deniable). the reasons for that odd characterization are purely political. as schwartzkopf once said: “European Command also kept Israel, which from my viewpoint was a help: I’d have had difficulty impressing the Arabs with Central Command’s grasp of geopolitical nuance if one of the stops on my itinerary had been Tel Aviv.”
your problem is you read political PR statements as gospel. i know that in war the first casualty is truth.
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that’s a political distinction, not a practical one. CENTCOM folks do a lot of israel work for the simple reason that its the key strategic country in the middle of the core geographic area of CENTCOMs jurisdiction.
as the old boy Stormin’ Norman once said: “European Command also kept Israel, which from my viewpoint was a help: I’d have had difficulty impressing the Arabs with Central Command’s grasp of geopolitical nuance if one of the stops on my itinerary had been Tel Aviv.”
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We need to keep Israel intact so we have somewhere to send them.
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Were that it were so, my friend.
I think they leave Montana alone for that very same reason.
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Don’t be so defeatist. Think of where we were just 4 short years ago.
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wont the ocean do?
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If you’re going to talk politics here (nothing wrong with that!), please google NDAA and SOPA. You should do a post warning your readers about NDAA.
It’s fucking insane, Obama signed it into law on New Year’s Eve, and received almost no media coverage here in the US as we’re under a media blackout. (Foreign media is covering it, though. Check out the Guardian’s write-up:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/jan/02/ndaa-historic-assault-american-liberty
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Amazing the lack of coverage.
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I struggle to get too excited about NDAA: the electorate stopped caring about this shit years ago. They’ve been letting the government get away with illegal tactics against terrorism suspects, or at least tactics that violate the spirit of the law. At least now the US is being honest as to what they’ll do.
There’s no secret as to why the media didn’t cover it: Americans don’t care. You get the government you deserve…
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You get free hypocrisy if there’s a D after your name.
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When Jews pursue their interests it’s called “lobbying.”
When non-whites pursue their interests it’s called “civil rights.”
When Whites pursue their interests it’s called “White Supremacy.”
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Read The Dictator’s Handbook, best book about politics I’ve ever read.
He’s a politician, of course he’s gonna be hypocritical. It’s what his constituents want.
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“Are the American elite ignorant of their hypocrisy and double standards, or is it that they just don’t give a shit?”
Pathological liars. Liberalism is a mental disease.
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It’s a cost saver, plain and simple.
[heartiste: it’s genocidal displacement.]
It’s cheaper to keep them here while they file their forms rather than kick them out, knowing you’re gonna let them in in the end anyway.
[and there’s the problem right there.]
“Close family members” pretty much always get the pass, unless they’re on terror watch lists.
[then it’s time to revoke that pass.]
There’s lots to dislike about any US gov’t, but this kneejerk shit is the sort of unreflective crap that makes me (and plenty others) wonder how well-tested/ well-reasoned your game stuff is. Get past the anger.
[anger is a virtue when it’s warranted.]
(It might qualify as some sort of hypocrisy if the US, rather than putting illegal immigrants on watch, had to address some alternative US gov’t for permission to do anything.)
[it’s hypocrisy because the same elite that advocates for another country’s right to secure its borders won’t extend the same courtesy to its own citizens.
now why would that be?]
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Enough tut tutting, make a list and I’ll supply the guillotine and off to a merry revolution we go.
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I live in Oz, we have refugees from Burma (etc) coming over our borders through Indonesia.
Seems simple to me. Indonesia is a modern, industralised country with a more-or-less stable and approximately free government. (provided you are muslim, obviously). A person who crosses the Burmese border into Indonesia is possibly a refugee. A person who continues on to Australia is no longer a refugee: they are an illegal immigrant.
I worked for immigration, a long time ago. I mentioned it to someone, and they came back with “Boo! Refugees at Womera!”. I didn’t even bother explaining that *if* a person can *demonstrate* they are a refugee, then they are not at Woomera.
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I am in Oz as well.
We got a big chunk of Tamil “refoogees” recently that got on a Plane in Columbo in the supposedly hostile southern Military controlled zone with valid passports and then travelled through Malaysia and Indo before getting on boats, ripping up their papers and sailing to our Sunburnt land.
They then have the leftie bleeding hearts complaining that these people have to spend years in a camp because we are still trying to find out who the fuck they really are.
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“I have no quarrel with the premise of the quote in the top half of this post.”
What a surprise. The irony here is that European colonists decided to enter Arab lands, displacing and replacing the indigenous population — perfectly fine — yet Mexican illegals are committing “genocidal displacement.”
Gaza is among the most densely populated places anywhere — basicallya camp — while Mexicans are pushing us out of the vast, vast United States.
Jews are compelled by Zionism — a social engineering project if there ever was one — whereas Mexican illegals are merely out for themselves, not some part of a grand religious, social movement as a people.
I understand why politicians are hypocrites. Anonymous bloggers are a bit of a puzzle.
[heartiste: i’m not interested in a byzantine discussion of how much claim jews historically have to the holy lands. suffice to say, jews have been in that part of the world since antiquity, and they won a war(s) to consolidate a nation with defined borders, much the same way early american colonists did. i have no problem with israel defending those borders just like i have no problem with america defending her borders from invasions to the south. the amount of available land for the invaders is irrelevant to the discussion.]
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Fmudd–
The family members who are supposedly “citizens” here are the anchor babies which illegal immigrants have had during their illegal status in America. Under a leftist Warren Supreme Court ruling misinterpreting the 13th amendment which entirely and exclusively had freed slaves and their progeny in mind, such anchor babies are citizens. In virtually no other country would such babies of those illegally in the country be considered automatic citizens by virtue of the location of their birth. It’s outrageous in the context of the mass illegal immigrant problem we have.
The parents of anchor babies should all be deported, and their anchor babies while minors with them, unless they are adopted by US citizens.
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Doug1 –
That is the 14th amendment that you must be referring to, not the 13th. In any case, the 14th amendment explicitly mentions that people born here are US citizens. No misinterpretation there:
[heartiste: agreed with doug1. and if the 14th amendment prohibits this, then it’s time to repeal it.]
Way too problematic.
[it’s only “problematic” (such a mealy-mouthed lefttard word) to people who have no interest in solving the problem.]
(1). People don’t want to be hunting down 11 million people to lock them up and send them away. All over the country. Especially little kids.
[speak for yourself. anyhow, there are ways to encourage the removal of aliens without resorting to cattle cars and electric prods.]
(2). Problems will arise with people, say, who let the immigrants stay at their place. Now they go to jail for harboring immigrants but, more importantly, this sets up people calling the police for neighbors or other people they don’t like for harboring immigrants.
[good. lesson learned, i say.]
(3). How far are we going? What about “anchor” babies that are over 18 by now?
[their parents should have thought of the consequences before invading a sovereign nation.]
I say for the people here you need to legalize them.
[that’s because you are a leftist shit.]
You will never get a national consensus to round up 11 million people and there are far more options to deal with them here anyway.
[it’s always about “rounding up” with you greasy little leftist shits. hint: there are alternatives.]
As for the future, secure the border (build a wall, etc.) and use New Zealand’s policy.
[build a wall, arm the border guards with heavy weaponry, and reformulate immigration policy to primarily favor emigrants from NW europe, with decreasing numbers allowed the further from NW europe they originate.]
Come and stay if you have the skills, deport if you don’t.
[there’s more to a person than his “skills”.]
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Wow, not enough coffee today? And, not a leftist. Just a common sense position.
[heartiste: amusing. today’s “common sense” position is yesterday’s leftist position. great reframe perpetration on the whole nation.]
Uhuh. So, do tell on how you would plan to remove the people here without resorting to force.
[deny them access to any gubmint, medical or educational services. deny their employers access to them. the bulk of the situation will resolve itself.]
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‘[deny them access to any gubmint, medical or educational services. deny their employers access to them. the bulk of the situation will resolve itself’
well, that’s the sticking point. putting aside education and other govt services, medical services are impossible to deny w/o being a monster.
[heartiste: it’ll only take a few sickly, dying bodies in the street to convince the multitude of rabble that the gravy train has rolled out in the US, and it’s time to go home. so suck it up for a few weeks. all will be better after.]
who wants to live in a society that is so ruthless as to deny this?
[since when is it considered ruthless to deny services to invaders paid for by my dollars? if they wind up starving, well… they shoulda thought of the consequences before imposing themselves on others’ presumed generosity.]
that being the case, it’s that much more important to stop them at the border so we aren’t faced with such ethical dilemmas.
[that’s the funny thing about ethics…. they’re so flexible depending on who in power is pushing the current version.]
an anecdote– my son had a pregnant young illegal alien patient with kidney failure on dialysis a couple times a week who was hospitalized the last several months of her pregnancy, running up a bill that acc. to him easily exceeded a million.
[who’s paying for this? is it not monstrous to coerce innocents from footing this enormous bill?]
his father was outraged-‘how is this allowed?’. our son– ‘easy, she’s put on medicaid, since in nys dialysis is emergency treatment’ and ‘who’s gonna tell her to hit the road? that would be heartless’.
[the time has come for a little bit of the ol’ ultraheartlessness. that is, the time has come for women to step aside and let men take the dispassively unemotional reins. otherwise, nothing gets solved.]
note too that she’ll be on expensive dialysis on the govt dime indefinitely, since as an alien, she can’t get on the cheaper-in-the-long-run kidney transplant registry.
this is a report from the trenches. yeah, stop them at the border.
[do both. kick them out (or make it so that they self-kick), and stop them at the border. there are too many here for america to sustain itself on the principles and prosperity that it has enjoyed until recently.]
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just to expand on this…my beef is that illegal aliens are welcomed with open arms by restaurants, the construction industry, meat packers etc, to the point where _all_ employers are forced for competitive reasons to employ illegal labor even when they prefer not to. this as long as the illegals are not in any need. and usually they aren’t since for the most part they’re young and healthy (not including families w. school-aged kids).
but once one of them gets sick it’s all ‘oh noes, not on the govt dime’ they could have all the paid work they can get, but the minute their a liability, all bets are off. this hypocrisy is sickening. these illegals saw those industries beckoning across an int’l border, saw we’re not serious about enforcing the law, so they came.
in a sense, it’s our own fault that they’re here, and since there is _no_ poitical will to secure the border, we get what we deserve, which includes servicing their medical needs.
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‘In any case, the 14th amendment explicitly mentions that people born here are US citizens’
are diplomats’ children born here considered citizens? if not, why not the children of illegal aliens? that would make an interesting scotus case.
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No, because diplomat’s children are subject to the jurisdiction of a foreign power. The 14th amendment’s purpose was to give freed slaves citizenship, and only them. It’s a misunderstanding/interpretation of the amendment- much as the left has misunderstood the second amendment for years (now, finally, being interpreted correctly).
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thanks. interesting…
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You can have as much or as little a problem as you like with the above quote, because the man was obviously lying when he said it.
Im going to clue you non Jews into a little secret – Jews are unbelievably fucking stupid. All you need to do to get us to accept impossible borders, unlimited immigration (surprise! Israel suffers from the same country destroying bullshit that you do!), a castrated military, a defense complex that now outsources to Lockheed martin, etc etc, is tell those stupid fucking kikes that you “Love them”.
Once you say that, every two faced backstabbing little shit in the country will happily throw the rest of us to hell, in an attempt to suck as much political cock as his soft little mouth can accomodate.
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“Im going to clue you non Jews into a little secret – Jews are unbelievably fucking stupid”
Welcome, all, to the genocidal fun-house of Jew-Gentile relations! where nothing is at it seems when our best friends are doing the talking, which they’re always doing!
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I stopped listening to “Joos control the world” conspiracy theories when I read about some of the truly suicidal and seemingly oblivious Jews in Israel calling for peace and love with a people quite clearly wanting to kill all of them.
Yes, you are almost as stupid as us Goyim.
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Remember the saying, from their very own culture: Wherever two Jews are, there are three opinions.
There’s a certain amount of “Apocalypse Now!” nuttiness in many Jews, in which they’d like to see the world destroyed, even if it means they’re going down with it.
Just like Satan.
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Guys, INFOWARS.COM if you don’t want the elite’s sugar-coated poison pill FOXSNBCNN serve up on a daily basis.
This whole Israel thing is an excuse to maintain a presence in the region. Ron Paul is the only man standing up on stage saying we don’t need to funnel more money and weapons to them, and that with their ~300 nukes they can defend themselves just fine!
But hey, what do you expect from a nation run by queers that run around the Bohemian Grove nekked with gay porn stars and think up policy (like Star Wars) when they’re not sword fightin’?
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‘This whole Israel thing is an excuse to maintain a presence in the region.’
yeah, i always thought so. the zionists just played into ‘the man’s’ hand.
how to get rid of a troublesome minority? make ’em colonists! they will take the heat from the inhospitable locals while the elites in the mother country get trade and other advantages. look at the puritan founding of new england– exile your religious malcontents to a place thousands of miles away so you have a presence in north america to compete with the french one. win, win!
yup, those clever (but oh so unwise) jewish folk outsmarted themselves.
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come to think of it, even the invasion of illegals could qualify as a colonization of sorts. mexico, or to be more specific, its elite, gets rid of potential rebels shut out of the system, all the while enjoying billions in remittances.
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I submit this evidence into the court of public opinion to back my previous statement:
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“There’s lots to dislike about any US gov’t, but this kneejerk shit is the sort of unreflective crap that makes me (and plenty others) wonder how well-tested/ well-reasoned your game stuff is. Get past the anger.” (Natem)
This is a common Talmudic debating tactic. CH espouses a position that displeases Natem so this means that CH’s position is “knee jerk,” or “unreflexive.” It means he must be an “angry,” hater who is very insecure and who has no redeeming qualities as a human being. It also indicates that CH posses various pathologies and social deficiencies which makes his position totally unreasonable. It certainly delegitimizes any other contributions to society that CH makes. In CH case, this means that his knowledge and skills on game are in question as not “well tested/well reasoned.”
This debating tactic has been used for the last 50 years to get people in the West to accept total demographic replacement by forced integration and assimilation. Any White person who expresses concerns over the demographic and cultural characteristics of his or her nation is an angrey, dangerous, looser who must be silenced or even put into jail.
Of course this doesn’t apply to any other human group on earth. Africans, Asians, Hispanics, American Indians, Jews, Muslims, Australian aborigines, etc, etc are encouraged to have concerns over their nations and people. Nobody bats an eye when Jews ask “is it good for the Jews?”
White European peoples OTOH must accept that there can be no White institutions, communities, or nations. White people must accept that Africa is for Africans. Asia is for Asians. Israel is for Jews. While White counties are for EVERYONE. If anyone dissents to this they will have their charterer assassinated, they will be denied economic opportunities, denied status, and in Europe even thrown into jail.
Anything short of celebrating this program of White genocide (by forced integration and assimilation) makes you a “naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.”
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Standing ovation… well, done.
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Out of curiosity, what is the name of that “talmudic debating tactic” your’re referring to?
You know, cuz you say that with so much authority, I figured you know. Because youd never just spew that crap out of your ass.
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Sheesh… yet another “Yiddle me this!” poster?
He explained the phenomenon clearly enough… whether it’s been given a distinct nomenclature or not is immaterial and irrelevant, Mr. Yiddler.
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If the elite were consistent and held themselves up to the standard set by the constitution, they would not be the elite. They would be representatives. Unfortunately, representation was dead ever since the vast majority of both parties indulged in runaway spending, printing money and establishing a police state.
This country is an oligarchy. Most people just do not realize it right now.
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You forget that America has been a multi-cultural society for centuries.
[heartiste: no it hasn’t. this is a false premise the leftards love to throw around whenever this subject comes up. it is a “turn the mind off and stop thinking” premise. america has been, up until recently, predominantly anglo and germanic, with minorities of italian, irish, polish and jewish (if you count jewishness as a separate ethnicity, which most jews do in action, if not in word). all these groups are white european. there has also been a minority of africans, brought here against their will from before the founding of the nation.
this is america’s cultural identity, currently being shredded to bits by mass 3rd world immigration.]
Israel, not so much, so it make sense Obama saying Israel is trying to protect their cultural identity. Israel has been around since biblical times so they have a lot of heritage to protect. America has never had its ‘own’ identity, its been a mixture of several.
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Fail more.
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“You forget that America has been a multi-cultural society for centuries.”
Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
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Israel is made up of MANY different cultures for such a small country. The only things holding them together thave traditionally been a common faith and a common sense of heritage [ie: ethnicity}.
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ever seen an ethiopian jew? the only thing jewish israelis have in common is their belief they are “gods chosen people” and god reserved that piece of land for them only.
this of course ignores palestinian christians and muslims, whove lived there longer than non-ashkenazi jews (who are a distinct minority there).
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Israel has only been around since 1948. put down the bible, ameritard.
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The Bible is quite accurate on this stuff. Ok, they used to be called Judea, but they occupied the same areas back before they were swept into the Assyrian and then Persian and Roman empires. Moses’ armies took the original kernel from the locals and were able to defend and keep it. They expanded over time into parts of Lebanon and Syria. Then they were conquered in turn and each conqueror left their own people in the area known as Israel. However, Jews have always lived there and have the strongest ancestral claims.
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Why are conservatives so interested in protecting Israel when most Jews are liberals?
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1) Most of the ones with any sort of political power are bought and paid for lackeys.
2) Many are Christian under the mistaken belief that today’s Israel is the Israel mentioned in the Old Testament.
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They’re afraid of Jewish liberals. Before you ask: the sky is blue.
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A better question: why are most Jews liberals when most conservatives stick up for them?
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Most liberal American Jews of a certain age (boomers) remember a more leftward Israel from the 60’s and 70’s which, for the most part, fought defensive wars against incompetant Arab League neighbors piloting Russian MIGs. The same Israel made famous for collective farms (Kibbutzim) and iron-willed statism. Until recently there has been little contradiction in their minds between supporting israel, and supporting American “liberal” causes because the Israel frozen in their heads was their ideal state, minus the Palestinian dillema.
That is changing with the current crop of liberal Jews, who feel no connection to the Israel of their time, because it is generally too far to the right for them and because being pro-arab is seen as the new cool.
None of this matters to Israel. They will unabashedly continue to pursue their goals regardless of how they are percieved.
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I understand this secularist – orthodox conflict exists within Israel as well. The secularists don’t much care for the orthodox types, who understand their survival is at stake. Secularists, as is the case in the U.S., just wish the believers would go away or better, die off. However, Orthodox Jews have lots of children versus the secularist factions, so they will likely prevail. I think most American Jews view Israel with distant sentimentalism but wouldn’t want to live there. I want to visit Israel because of its history and because I hear its a cool place- good food, sexy women, and open tolerance of reefer for instance.
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The orthodox refuse military service, suck off the govt. teat while simultaneously egging it on at all turns. They multiply rapidly at the expense of the tax payer. If they understand Israel’s survival is at stake, they sure don’t act like it.
Most Israeli’s are, whether or not they are liberal or conservative, vivacious, big-cojoned, and inclined not to sweat the small stuff. It has nothing to do with being Jewish, it’s more of a mentality created by warfare and isolation.
If you want to go, GO! Their women are enlgish friendly, forward and hungry. I’d love to hear a game diary about Tel’Aviv, I don’t think it’ll be hard mode.
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Most Israeli’s are, whether or not they are liberal or conservative, vivacious, big-cojoned, and inclined not to sweat the small stuff. It has nothing to do with being Jewish, it’s more of a mentality created by warfare and isolation.
That’s what I observed about the few Israelis I have actually met. I thought all of them were men, most likely for the reasons you cite.
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[heartiste: i’m not interested in a byzantine discussion of how much claim jews historically have to the holy lands. suffice to say, jews have been in that part of the world since antiquity, and they won a war(s) to consolidate a nation with defined borders, much the same way early american colonists did. i have no problem with israel defending those borders just like i have no problem with america defending her borders from invasions to the south. the amount of available land for the invaders is irrelevant to the discussion.]
Certainly Jews have resided in the “holy” land for a couple thousand years, but they could not dream of creating a country without massive waves of unwanted European immigration. As for a nation with “defined borders” — that’s the subject of intense debate, especially with continued policies of government subsidized segregated housing aka “settlements.”
Since, contrary to international law, you view violence as a legitimate form of land acquisition, there’s no reason Mexicans should not violently claim Southern California. So the guns will decide.
And of course the supply of land makes a difference. I think the saying here is “Diversity + Proximity = War” but HBD Chick certainly has a point in revising that formula to “Diversity + Proximity + Scarcity = War.”
“Why are conservatives so interested in protecting Israel when most Jews are liberals?”
What’s amusing is to the see the conservative hamster spin into overdrive. The Israeli experiment seems to prove bedrock paleoconservative principles right: problems will arise when the social geography is not a reflection of the natural geography. Hostility created by Zionism (a grand social engineering experiment) is therefore no surprise. And yet those policies are rationalized with brio and the universality of reason must be suppressed. Nothing better than impassioned Republicans defending a kibbutz’s latest land seizure.
[“heartiste: no it hasn’t. this is a false premise the leftards love to throw around whenever this subject comes up. it is a “turn the mind off and stop thinking” premise. america has been, up until recently, predominantly anglo and germanic, with minorities of italian, irish, polish and jewish (if you count jewishness as a separate ethnicity, which most jews do in action, if not in word). all these groups are white european. there has also been a minority of africans, brought here against their will from before the founding of the nation.
this is america’s cultural identity, currently being shredded to bits by mass 3rd world immigration.]
This smacks of illiteracy. The United States had been imagined as a “nation of nations.” Not only a mixture of European countries and imported Africans (which testifies to a long-standing history of insourcing), but Chinese brought in to work on railroads, Native Americans continually pushed west, and ginned up Mexican-American War to realize a grand vision — Manifest Destiny.
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Sez is obviously an American-hating pile of crap. Israel is an invented country with 64 years on it. I guess if you are a gentile hater then that compares favorably with 238 years of consistent freedom in the USA.
Israel is a parasite to this country. She has dragged us into more wars and conflicts than our true special ally – the UK. Israel attacked and killed US sailors in 1967 on the USS Liberty and our traitorous elected officials raised no objection. In fact, LBJ forbade the use of force to stop the 7 hour attack.
Having said all that, Israel, through deception and military force, have their country. If they can keep it then they deserve it. The USA, through internal politics is trying to give theirs away to Mexico and I suppose if we are that weak then we deserve to lose ours.
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Illegal immigrants do the job Americans won’t: voting for Democrats.
Of course Obama’s going to let ’em in.
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Over 1,250,000 white Europeans were enslaved over the course of 300 years by North African Muslims. Read about it here: http://www.amren.com/ar/2005/08/index.html#article1
The reason why I am posting this is because a lot of pseudo-“enlightened” liberals justify mass Third World immigration with the pretense that white people have no right to a country because of history, which the liberals view as selectively as possible. In addition to reading about Barbary slavery, I also suggest for self-righteous liberals to read about Genghis Khan’s conquests, Tamerlane’s conquests and Imperial Japan’s conquests. In recent history, there is the Rwandan Genocide where over 800,000 blacks were killed by other blacks in only 100 days. Will liberals ever stop viewing white people as the only race capable of violence, even after reading about the examples I mentioned? Or will they refuse to acknowledge their confirmation bias against their own race?
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The entire African slave trade was a big business developed primarily by the Arabs and local African tribal leaders to import slave labor to Arab lands. Its my understanding that male slaves sent to Arab lands were castrated to prevent them from breeding with Arab women.
The slave traders to the Americas simply became new consumers for an existing product. No white men were running around the savanah with clubs and burlap sacks to kidnap poor negro children as they drank from the local stream. That is a Disneyesque sentimental revisionist myth.
The slaves were prisoners of war from African tribal conflicts and were sold in coastal slave trading centers on the African West Coast for shipment to the Americas or inland trading centers like Harambe for shipment to the Arabs. I have also read that it was the tribes with more patriarchal social structures that captured prisoners from matriarchal tribes, because they were less organized.
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It makes one wonder…is a politician trying to get re-elected by courting the Jewish vote and the Hispanic vote?
Double standards – pffft. Show me a politician without ’em – liberal, conservative or in between. They’re whores.
Try not to lose sleep over it.
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If Mexicans were coming over, snatching up land by force, killing and looting along the way, then declaring any lands they grabbed as Mexican territory, I would agree that the US would NEED to do a better job at securing the border and protecting the American people.
[heartiste: so it is your contention that the US can safely ignore border security as long as the invasion is a bloodless one?]
Illegal immigration is trivial comparared to what’s going on in Israel and the middle east.
[sorry, nope. the two scenarios are more comparable than you are comfortable acknowledging.]
Why would you bother comparing the two except to point fingers at the Obama administration and call them names?
[bush was guilty of this too.]
By the way, Israel as a state has only been around for about 60 or 70 years. The areas in question have had arabs living there just as long as there have been jewish people living there, going back to biblical times…
[america was 70-90% european white for ~300 years up until about 1965. you were saying?]
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put up a 20 ft fence on the border, electrify it and drop leaflets in spanish south of the border informing all prospective migrants of same.
go back to the pre-1965 policy of assigning immigration slots to euro countries based on their representation in the american population in (this is important) in _1920_. or at least adopt canada’s no bullshit policy.
every year the country’s social cohesion erodes. we may never again do something as ambitious as build a hoover dam, get to the moon,etc, because we won’t be able to agree on anything. my canadian bil is convinced the usa will break up. he might be right.
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This “changing of the guard” will happen regardless of how secure the borders are.
By this logic, the same is going to happen to *your favorite country*, Israel.
Go back to ‘sleep’, dork – since you make for a lousy propagandist.
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nafta should also be adjusted, since it enabled cheap american corn to be dumped into mexico and ruin farmers, adding to the pressure to migrate.
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“heartiste: so it is your contention that the US can safely ignore border security as long as the invasion is a bloodless one?”
It is far from bloodless.
Where illegal immigrants, anchor babies, and drug smugglers are taking over, they are intimidating and killing poor Black, White, and Hispanic citizens. People are getting shot for simply living in the wrong place since the early 1990’s.
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You using terms like invasion to describe illegal immigration is disingenuous.
[heartiste: funny, the aliens swimming frantically across the rio and suffering long journeys in the back of trucks sure act like what they’re doing is an illicit invasion.]
You might as well call legal immigration and naturalization an invasion too.
[“you might as well call buying a basket of fruit the same as stealing a basket of fruit”.]
What are you really scared of?
[scared’s got nothin’ to do with it.]
The mexicans systematically killing us off like we did to the native american poplulation when the european whites came over?
[so it is your contention that mexicans should be free to kill off americans because americans killed off a lot of indians. quid pro quo and all that.]
The mexicans are coming here with tools and brooms to do the jobs most americans don’t want.
[amazing how all those jobs got done quite well 40+ years ago, before the southern invasion kicked into high gear.]
Are you paranoid that other countries may sneak in through the backdoor left wide open by mexico?
[are you even remotely cognizant that nations are essentially collections of socially, culturally and, yes, genetically similar ethnicities?]
I would much rather believe THAT was your main concern than an invasion by mexicans looking for work.
[how many black american citizens do you think mexican illegals have put out of work or put on welfare due to the gutting of their working class wages?]
My comfort in finding comparisons between these situations doesn’t factor in.
[i think it does.]
I merely don’t care about border security right now.
[then you are a traitor.]
I don’t care about Israel either, but I see their situation as a clear and present threat to their country.
[not all legitimate dangers are expressed through the launching of RPGs.]
It’s perfectly logical to me, for ANYONE interested in foreign policy to declare they need and should be able to do something about it.
[and it’s perfectly hypocritical for you to advocate the opposite for your own country.]
The mexican invasion will take time by way of illegal immigration and therefore we have plenty of time to resolve that issue.
[except that traitors like you have declared no interest in solving the problem. and right now, your ilk have the megaphone. but that’s about to change. heh.]
UNLESS Mexico takes up arms against us tomorrow, I’d much rather have the President working on more pressing internal (US) matters.
[not all group dissonance or antagonism issues from the barrel of a gun. but thanks for your stinky red herring.]
Before 1492 there was ZERO european whites in what is now called America.
[and there was ZERO america. connection?]
This “changing of the guard” will happen regardless of how secure the borders are.
[no, the “changing of the guard” did not have to happen. it was a direct result of policy. it was, in fact, deliberately instigated by a hostile elite… an elite hostile to white america.]
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Fucking christ
I love seeing a good beatdown
God help me,
I do love it so…
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Sorry, Willard ain’t winning this one.
Your best bet is 2016 in which case you will have forgotten about the “invasion!!!111!!!”.
Funny how all of these things come up when a Democratic President is in office. Once a Republican is back all of a sudden you guys calm down.
[heartiste: nope. i was hammering bush for his dereliction of duty over border security just as much.]
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It wouldn’t be hypocritical in the least for Republicans to make the point louder when Democrats are in office because it is your party’s official policy to create more opportunities for Hispanics to vote and an officially lax and even welcoming policy in general towards illegals for the same reasons. You expect to capitalize on your present favorable treatment towards them and desire to give them eventual citizenship. Even if amnesty and citizenship doesn’t happen, you still have the opportunity to get these people to vote for the Democrat Party, whether entitled to it legally or not, because your party has a well documented history of cheating at the polls. In addition, you further cement the vote of legal Hispanics voting for the Demcrats and openly gloat about the displacement of White people that will be brought about by allowing the 11 million plus illegals already here to be citizens and of course breed like there’s no tomorrow. That, it is believed will finally give you your permanent majority and you can finallly turn us into a third rate version of Sweden. Since your party openly encourages all of this, it is only natural that those who oppose these things coming to pass would shout louder. This issue has been festering beneath the surface for quite some time. Denial of negative feedback does not make the problem go away, no matter how hard you lefties wish it so. Bush lost a great deal of support among Republicans over this very issue trying to buy the Hispanic vote. Hispanola was named so by the Romans for its abundance of rabbits. It means the “Land of the Rabbits” in Latin.
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Dear heartiste:
1) Well done… the beat-downs must continue, and the spice must flow.
2) Capitalize White(s).
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Your writing here reeks of fear sir.
[heartiste: your insult reeks of projection.]
Fear that white america won’t be as white as it once was or get any whiter.
[why are you afraid of a predominantly white european america?]
Illicit mexican invasions indeed.
[has the word indeed become some sort of catch-all for presenting evidence to the contrary?]
Calm down Chicken Little, the sky isn’t falling.
[ya know, the ones warning of danger are sometimes right. you might want to cogitate on that.]
Your “problems” aren’t mine so I’m a traitor?
[do you understand the concept of a nation and the implied duties of its governing body?]
Spare me that right-wing nutjob bullshit.
[and so we come to the full repository of evidence for your argument that mass illegal immigration of tens of millions of low-skilled, culturally and genetically dissimilar peasants is no problem for the US: your leftwing sensibilities are bruised.
great debate tactic, poindexter.]
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@Sleeper:
why are you so keen to be a persecuted minority in your own nation? Are you so confident in your social position being immutable that you see no danger here? Are you so keen to build the Internationalist Workers’ Utopia you implicitly support, that you are willing to sacrifice the future of your children for it, for some post racial abstraction, just to be able to claim in low stakes venues like classrooms, blogs, and cocktail parties that you put your money where you’re mouth is? Are you so sure that making nice with those who would displace you will win their respect and admiration and prevent them from killing you and taking your property and raping your daughters?
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hear, hear
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Sleeper shows us a variation of the deceitful debating tactic that I described above (I won’t call “Talmudic” anymore since that causes people to get distracted and regardless, it doesn’t matter what its origins are. What’s important is that we recognize it and liquidate it).
This variation calls in to question CHs mental health. Because CH shows an interest or concern in the demographic and cultural characteristics of his nation, this means that he’s “scared” and that his concerns are totally irrational. Having these kinds of concerns is the equivalent of believing that the sky is falling.
If one really wants to see some people start behaving like the mentally ill, go to your next cocktail party and suggest that White people have just as much right to living space as any other group. At this point you’ll experience 10th floor madness from very “tolerant,” “rational” people and may even be asked to leave the party (as the host stands up in a righteous, petulant frenzy showing that his house is not a “place for hate”).
One major part of the modern zeitgeist is the idea that White or European derived countries must accept forced integration and assimilation from nonwhite and non-European people (this leads to White genocide). Many SWPL hipsters like to pretend that they’re “anti-establishment” but when faced with the White genocide question show their true colors as pro-establishment stormtroopers.
A real rational person would have no problem with predominantly White nations (or all White nations for that matter). If a group fo people called “White”: wish to preserve their phenotype within a living system that they create for their interests, then no rational person should object.
Nobody would object if Africans wanted an all black national space where they lived according to ways that bring out their highest potential. Nobody would object to Jews wanting this either. It’s only Whites that are forced to accept forced integration and assimilation.
Their are people who argue that the world will be worse off without White people. They claim that the civilizational quality will drop on the earth. This may be true?. Or, it may not matter? But if White people are blended out of existence then there is no going back if we were wrong. If it doesn’t matter and “we be all the same” then having White people around won’t make a difference. But there is no going back if we’re wrong. So with logic as our guide allowing White living space should have universal acceptance.
If people want their multicultural/multiracial utopias then they have a right to that as well. The globalist elites live and operate out of 5 major nodes in the world. NY City, Washington, London, Hollywood/LA, and Israel are the nodes of power in the globalist control grid. I think that these places should show the rest of us the “strength of diversity” and allow total freedom of immigration from anywhere in the world. The neighborhoods and institutions and families should be totally integrated and assimilated with kids of the elite going to the same schools as the diverse and vibrant population.
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I didn’t “spew” (why do these people always say “spew”?) anything from my ass but I would wipe my ass with the Talmud (1). I don’t know if there is an actual term for this debating tactic but I do know that students of the book are instructed on debating tactics that focus on discrediting the individual, rather than focusing on the facts or logic for or against a position. Alan Dershowitz and Abe Foxman are masters of this technique.
My only concern is that I may appear to be overstating the role Jews play in the globalist enterprise? There are just as many (if not more) gentiles involved in the New World Order (and program for White genocide) as there are Jews. The Jews just play the most visible, in-your-face role in the globalist apparatus. They man the anti-White, anti-Christian organizations like the SPLC or ADL. They run the international agitator organizations/NGOs (like National Endowment for Democracy) that sponsor “color revolutions” and make accusations of “human rights abuses” against counties that displease the global elite. Of course, the Jews also create and manage the most degenerate and perverse media in the Western world. When the global elite’s needed a Bolshevik revolution, a cadre of Jews went to Russia and ran it.
The gentile faction comes from the American Eastern Establishment and from the European aristocracy. If you want to get a good idea of who the global elite are, just read the membership lists of the Bilderberg group, CFR, Committee of 300, Tavistock, RIIA, AEI, Club of Rome). The gentile faction is also highly connected with Freemasonry. They take this metaphysical system very seriously and I recommend the website “the Vigilant Citizen” for a better understanding of the symbolism and rituals of the globalist elite (2).
Some people believe that the Jews actually act as a “buffer” between the gentile elites and the masses. This arrangement existed in the middle ages. The Jews would collect the taxes for the King and carry out other functions that the people despised. Every now and then the people would get uppity and give the Jews a beating. Sometimes the King would even encourage it. Today this same arrangement exists but on a much more complex scale.
Regardless of its Jew or gentile, both factions believe-without a doubt-that they have the absolute right to rule over the “profane” (freemasonic term) or “goyim” (Jewish term) masses. They see it as their mission from the “architect of the universe” to build a global government with them at the top of the pyramid.
The gentile “illuminati” elite are like vampires pulling the strings (of power) from their giant castles. The Jews are the werewolves outside defending the castle. The werewolves wave their claws in your face and howl at the moon. The Talmud is chicken soup for the werewolf’s soul.
(1) http://www.rense.com/general21/tal.htm
(2) http://vigilantcitizen.com/
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