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“I have a police record. What do I tell girls?”

January 17, 2012 by CH

A reader who has funnily enough remained anonymous demands to know at gunpoint:

I’ll cut right to the chase. I have a police record. Not for anything too bad, but bad enough. I was younger and stupider. Should I bother telling girls about this? I figure they’ll find out anyhow by searching my name online.

Good news! Police records are practically neon signs flashing ALPHA MALE over your head. A little taste of the ol’ ultracriminality — just a wee bit, mind you, guv’nor — is crotchnip to maximally fertile women from all socioeconomic stratum. The bleatings of the femcunt and limpwrist brigades to the contrary notwithstanding, bad boys are attractive to emotionally stable girls, and *especially* to emotionally stable, professional yuppie chicks who are surrounded on a daily basis by mincing beta herbs with balls crafted from tofu. Aggro urban lawyercunts are particularly vulnerable to the charms of the convict contingent.

Now a few caveats are in order, lest you mistake women’s love for jerks and malcontents to be without preconditions.

– A certain subclass of criminal activity is kryptonite to kooch tingles. Pedophilia, sexual assault, solicitation, public masturbation and/or exposure, and restraining orders are the kinds of omegaboy stigmata that signal “loser” rather than “sexy badboy”. If you have these marks on your record, consider an identity transplant.

– DUIs are another one of those character blotches that scream “loser”. Maybe at one time getting arrested for driving drunk was the mark of the rebel badboy, but today, owing to the crime’s association with illegal aliens and skid row left behinds, most women are liable to think a DUI conviction just means you are stupid, and not stupid in the good, recklessly adventurous, way.

– Hardcore criminality — e.g., murder, druglordship — are attractive to hot chicks in the lower classes, but tend to scare away your average SWPLly upper class girls. (And by “scare away”, I mean “scare away, but goddamnit, despite my moral revulsion why do I tingle so hard when he’s standing before me?”) The way to attract a higher class girl if you are burdened with one of these major convictions (and you have somehow managed to avoid extended prison time) is to remember the classic game adage: CONTRAST IS KING. A chick who knows, or is about to know of, your criminal record, will find you unbearably intriguing if you present yourself well-dressed and articulate, sprinkled with a dash of emotional accessibility announced by a tactically furrowed brow and brooding sideways gaze.

My advice to you is to refrain from bringing up the subject of your police record, unless context allows, in which case you may refer to the tactically furrowed brow maneuver mentioned above. Blurting it out offhand is going to come across weird and legitimately scary. If a girl likes you enough to search out background info on you, she will more than likely experience a torque in her attraction for you when she stumbles across your dark secret. “OMG, he seemed so nice and funny! I can’t believe he stole a car! Wow, this guy is bad news. I think I will text him right now to tell him how bad he is. Yes, I really can’t wait any longer to text him about my disapproving feelings for him.”

On the next date, when she brings it up (and there’s a chance she won’t, figuring the delicious drama will last longer if she waits for you to bring it up first), you may execute the brow furrow and sideways gaze and then mutter into the empty space of middle distance, “Those were tough times. I can’t… I can’t talk about this.” Then, if the girl is a real hottie, like a 9 or a 10, ratchet up the flirty tension by making a slow move for the door as you say these lines, as if you’d rather leave her than dredge up your past. Like the cops from that long time ago, she will chase you down instead of letting you go.

Final note: if you are truly worried that your police record will cost you lays and love, you should consider the misinformation move. Just toss out a nickname you go by so that she can’t find your record online. If, at some distant future date, you and her are still together, you may reveal the full extent of your badassness. It will be like love is blossoming all over again for her. She will remember the moment as possibly the greatest gift a man has ever given her.

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  1. on January 17, 2012 at 5:44 pm whitehall

    I have the best of both worlds!

    My public persona is as a pillar-of-the community, security clearance, executive, patriarch type. Minor points there but self-confident and self-possessed.

    But I love to tell girls about my brothers. One is still on the lam for a manslaughter charge; the other had two bullet holes and 4 knife fight wounds on his body. A third died cleaning his gun.

    I just tell the girls that “They just haven’t caught me yet.”

    No brag; just facts.

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  2. on January 17, 2012 at 5:47 pm uh

    Uh has a record. It is long but totally uninteresting.

    He has disclosed the contents of the record to many females; the looks of disappointment were obvious.

    He has also made up other crimes — interstate firearm transportation, fashion drug charges, car theft, etc., and had much better results.

    Cunts love criminals. If they do any drug, their tingles will directly translate to opportunity.

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  3. on January 17, 2012 at 5:56 pm jbamai

    I see this played out everyday on the streets. A secret past, particularly a criminal past, is like candy to women. My personal theory on this is that criminality is the equivalent to a peaccoks tail. In this case the peacock’s tail of a criminal record is a sgnal for the dark triad of traits that it takes to commit the said crime.

    Dark Triad = Survivor

    Deep down women crave a SURVIVOR over a provider.

    http://wp.me/p26lRt-K

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  4. on January 17, 2012 at 6:00 pm Mark

    I’ve found girls who consider themselves moderates or left-of-center get va-jay-jay tingles if you belong to a certain fringe, political movement.

    *cough* race realism/WN/paleo-con/SPLC hate-watch list *cough*

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 9:00 pm Diomedes

      A Jewess that I fucked used to go crazy for my short-back-and-sides with a side-parting. She later revealed that she would like nothing more to be fucked by me in full-on SS regalia.

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      • on January 18, 2012 at 1:04 am Anonymous

        “I have often been called a Nazi, and, although it is unfair, I don’t let it bother me. I don’t let it bother me for one simple reason: No one has ever had a fantasy about being tied to a bed and sexually ravished by someone dressed as a liberal.” — P.J. O’Rourke

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      • on January 19, 2012 at 11:08 am Diomedes

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 1:33 am uh

      It is an angle that begs for more exploiting. If only our guys weren’t such white knight spergs and self-satisfied graybeards. *cough* MajorityRights *hachhh* Stormfront *blech*

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 7:57 am hesaidhe

      the truth is a turn-on for some of these girls(/women).

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  5. on January 17, 2012 at 6:01 pm Name here

    Before I knew about hamsters, I told a very pretty girl I was in the military because I was wearing a USMC sweater. She was very flirtatiously interested for like 10 minutes until it came out that I was an office POG and never saw combat. She didn’t look at me even one more time! LOLZLOLZLZLOZLZOOZLZO!

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 9:12 pm Holden Caulfield

      GB4M FTW

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 10:00 pm Uncle Elmer

      I didn’t mean to insult you personally in the last thread. I just wanted to use the phrase “florid encrustation” and didn’t read Firepower’s message correctly.

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      • on January 19, 2012 at 1:46 pm Firepower

        Realize, that in addition to Uncle Eelmer often misunderstanding complex communication…

        Captain Ahab was an insane megalomaniac
        singularly purpose-driven to revenge

        at the expense of others’ efforts

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 1:20 am uh

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  7. on January 17, 2012 at 6:05 pm Woof

    It’d be weird out of context. Like you’re bragging. Unless you’re the type who is constantly saying bullshit to be funny like “Hey, I might have to go out of town next weekend. The Giants called. They may need me to replace Eli”. In that case you could completely tell the truth mixed in between BS stories so they think it was a joke. Hey, you warned her!

    If it really bothers you. Have a lie ready. “What? That murder charge? There was this asshole mugging an old lady. It really pissed me off. I kicked his ass and accidently killed him. WTF? Are you stalking me online?”

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  8. on January 17, 2012 at 6:06 pm Prime Alpha

    An alpha male without a police record > an alpha male with a police record.

    ‘Nuff said.

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 9:01 pm Diomedes

      A cardinal rule of life: One should never trust a man who has never been arrested.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 11:10 am Doesn't matter

      Sounds like a justification for being an uninteresting person.

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      • on January 20, 2012 at 1:43 pm Prime Alpha

        A truely interesting person doesn’t need to be arrested to get laid.

        ‘Nuff said.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 1:45 pm Stuki

      Not in a repressive police state.

      Like contemporary America.

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  9. on January 17, 2012 at 6:06 pm Anonmon

    So, how would I handle the fact that I do have a DUI? I don’t bring it up unless it just comes up, but how do I spice it up to look more badboy and less like and idiot?

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 6:06 pm Anonmon

      An* damn autocorrect

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    • on January 19, 2012 at 11:55 am Malcolm Tucker

      I’d punt to “It’s complicated,” delivered with a dark brooding closing of the eyes, a a slight shake of the head, and a sideways glance into the distance afterwards.

      If she presses then press back and get a little pissed: something like “I am not going to talk about it.” or “End of interview.” line à la Slacker’ work scene. Always wanted to use that but haven’t so far.

      Anything more = leave. Plenty of pussy in the sea, especially off the Tuscan coast I hear.

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      • on January 19, 2012 at 11:56 am Malcolm Tucker

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  10. on January 17, 2012 at 6:09 pm David

    What about white collar crime like embezzlement or insider-trading? Seems a little too pansy and not enough violence. I assume it would be a turn-off. Is that the case?

    [heartiste: not at all. white collar crime is very sexy to babes, as long as you aren’t pilfering the homeless shelter coffers.]

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 9:58 pm Uncle Elmer

      Robert Vesco would be a good model for this :
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Vesco

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  11. on January 17, 2012 at 6:17 pm cider

    Good post! Goes doubly for sheltered Christian chicks.

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  12. on January 17, 2012 at 6:18 pm the_alpha_male

    You know what else is a chick magnet? Cocaine use.

    [heartiste: so true. not that i would know anything about that…. this message will self-destruct in…]

    Started to indulge in the white stuff in the last year in after hour booze cans out in the open……and it attracts the hottest women….9’s and 10’s. And before you say “They’re just after the blow”…….WRONG!!!

    [agreed. it’s often the case that the hot chicks will give YOU the blow! again, not that i would know anything about that…]

    80% don’t do hard drugs or drugs at all.

    [probably true for the genpop. niches are different. at least 50% of scenesters indulge in blow, the swpl drug of choice.]

    Most surprising of all is that hardly any strippers (at least in my city) do blow anymore. Could be because to get a stripper license they can’t have a criminal record to dance in my city.

    [strippers do ecstasy and smoke a lot.]

    The one psycho chick i was with couldn’t help call me a loser and a moron every time i got drunk and high but it didn’t stop her from spreading her legs for me.

    [by their spread legs ye shall know them.]

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 7:27 pm askjoe

      yeah, I heard the same thing about blow. I’ve heard it told that it’s basically love potion #9 with the hottest chicks in places like Miami and LA. And we’re talking real 9 and 10’s not the ice queen shit here. “Do you party?” leads to sexy time.

      But an interesting take on the “80% don’t do hard drugs or drugs at all” observed by TaM. So they just like a guy who does it…obviously not in the places where the bitches do it.

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      • on January 18, 2012 at 12:14 am YaReally

        Oldschool Tyler Durden field reports, regarding chicks and coke:

        –

        “As we get into the car, my girl tries to get in the front with her friend. I tell her I don’t like her anymore and that she’s not cool, and she freaks and jumps in the back with me. I get in and she spends the entire car ride qualifying herself as to why she’s not a typical LA girl. Then she starts saying “I sure hope you guys have party material back at the house..” I laugh and say “Cocaine? Haa, you’re a fucking coke slut. Playboy, dude, these are cokeheads..” (for guys not familiar with LA or NYC or London, most of the hottest girls are on coke.. its a fucking pathetic waste of premium genetics, but goes with the territory if you’re into sexing up models and the like..welcome to Los Angeles). My girl says “If you don’t have anything we’re going home”, because she’s angry at my remarks.

        I laugh at her, and say “You’re not cool, you know that. I’m not cool with you anymore. You’re like those kids in highschool that made fun of the nerds. Don’t talk to me.” She freaks out and says “NO, I wasn’t one of those girls. I totally was the opposite!” I say “OK, well telling me you won’t be my friend anymore because I won’t give you cocaine isn’t cool in my book, so you can pretty much forget about anything unless you stop it with this bratty behaviour”. She apologizes and tries to make out with me, and spends the rest of the car ride qualifying herself that she’s going to be good. I keep using the “I told you we wouldn’t get along” thing as a callback humour, as well as the little sister stuff like “little sister.. god, its a good thing you have me to take care of you..” type stuff.”

        –

        “And the guys here REALLY have a lot to offer. Most can advance their careers and connections, and give them cocaine and all that. On certain types of girls, I will laugh that shit off when they ask and say shit like “Shut the fuck up coke whore..You won’t hang out with me if I don’t feed you drugs you fucking retard?? Get the fuck out of here!” Then they’ll apologize and qualify themselves that they don’t do it all the time and want my validation more. I need to do more stuff like that in my general game on specific girls that I can tell will respond to it. btw, why do I want these girls? Personal preference. They are Maxim Magazine level hot, and what they do in the time after I delete them out of my phone is of no concern to me.”

        –

        “I remember a girl walking up to me asking me for cocaine, and me turning my back on her without acknowledging, like she didn’t exist. She said “Dude, are you serious? Look, do you have any”, and I said “Get the fuck out of here you fucking coke whore.. Don’t ask me for drugs, fucking retard”… She reopened me later in the night, trying to get rapport with me.”

        –

        That’s how you handle them when you have a legit abundance mentality, standards, and enough game/value that chicks are actually worried about not having your validation. How many guys here would call a 9 or 10 LA model a “fucking coke slut” and tell them to fuck off right to their face, and how many would be desperate enough to pretend to have coke at home or start doing coke to fit into their scene?

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 7:34 pm the_alpha_male

      “strippers do ecstasy and smoke a lot”

      LOL……you really do know your shit (they love mdma even more – in my town ecstasy is usually a splash of mdma + meth + who knows what).

      If i mention the drugs i did in my youth (lsd, mushrooms) the same strippers that do mdma get all defensive: “I don’t do hard shit like that” lol. LSD and mush are probably less harmful than marijuana.

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  13. on January 17, 2012 at 6:27 pm Anton

    Best and fastest positive responses I’ve ever gotten from young babes were in response to off-the-cuff remarks about jail time. I think in part because I seem so respectable now.

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  14. on January 17, 2012 at 6:32 pm Bronan the Barbarian!

    I have a big scar from being in a 5-on-2 fight that earned me an assault charge (despite the fact that I was the “2” in the fight). Girls love it and have to hear the story. I also used to sell drugs, engage in vandalism/petty theft/other criminal activities when I was in high school/early college. There’s a huge benefit to having a shady past and having your shit together in the present day. It tells girls that you’ve been there, done that and chose to fly right, but have the capability to engage in dangerous (and therefore interesting) activities.

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 10:10 pm Southern Man

      Well, depends on the circumstances. One of the VERY few fights I’ve been in was four-on-two when I and three buds caught the neighborhood lowlifes who had been burglarizing and vandalizing cars and slashing tires in the act and we beat the holy crap out of them. Cops arrived, they were arrested and charged with various things (including assault!) and we got a wink and a nod. No scars, though.

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  15. on January 17, 2012 at 6:32 pm TheCoolah

    DUI is not going to impress anyone, but I don’t think it screams “loser” either. There are waaay too many people (women too) getting arrested these days for being just over the legal limit. In Las Vegas, there are lawyer billboards all over town advertising “DUI Cases $699”. That actually scares me because I just know that people with money are making the calculation that a DUI isn’t really that big a deal.

    Anyway, the point is just that DUI is too common to really matter, as long as it’s just getting pulled over and arrested. If you killed or maimed someone in a wreck, that’s a different story.

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  16. on January 17, 2012 at 6:34 pm Dan Fletcher

    I have a minor drug conviction and use to dable in dealing.

    In my pre-chateau days, I would go to great lengths to hide this fact. I thought that chicks would think I was “unsafe” and be turned off by it.

    Post-chateau, I slip it into conversation whenever I get the chance(with a liberal sprinkling of embellishment for extra tingle bonus). The more prim, proper and SWPL the girl, the more she is aroused.

    I doubt I would have ever figured this shit out on my own.

    All hail the Chateau!

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 10:51 pm Tyrone

      I thought you were too straight for that. Cool.

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    • on January 20, 2012 at 6:33 am driveallnight

      I grow medical cannabis professionally. It’s definitely an all-or-nothing thing with the broads, leaning heavily toward “all.”

      It’s….wait for it…all in the way I deliver it. Not a fucking drop of defensiveness, just light/positive/matter-of-fact.

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  17. on January 17, 2012 at 6:36 pm Dan Fletcher

    And agreed on the DWI point. I think it seems too common, banal and prole to induce tingles. It’s not like any real bad-assery was taking place, they were just driving after a few drinks and happened to get stopped.

    Maybe its badass when you’re in highschool.

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 7:09 pm Libertardian

      The world is a high school, as I’ve sadly learned.

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      • on January 18, 2012 at 1:14 am Anonymous

        Junior High

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      • on January 18, 2012 at 1:13 pm The Snob

        In a lower-middle class exurb.

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  18. on January 17, 2012 at 6:47 pm A.B. Dada

    Here’s another area that being a multi-national comes in handy. If she asks you if you did it or what problems come up because of it, whip out some of your passports and say “I took care of that problem a long time ago” and switch it to focus on her. “Ever get a speeding ticket? You know that kids cross those streets, right? That’s a shitty thing to do…” etc

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  19. on January 17, 2012 at 6:57 pm a girl

    yesterday on npr, they talked about a radio program targetting to the prisoners in a dozen or so prisons somewhere in middle america. they broadcasted a few clips from the program, all by women (girlfriends, wives, mothers, daughters), all expressing their unconditional love and devotion to their loved ones in prison. one girlfriend got married on the radio (i hope her boyfriend was tuning in); a mother or wife, i don’t remember, said she was proud of the guy. they made those guys sound like prisoners of war not some real criminals. it was both odd and touching.

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  20. on January 17, 2012 at 7:03 pm Tercules

    Rampant drug use is not an abberation with women who comprise the SWPL/”Educated & Accomplished” domain. Based on their affinity for snorting and smoking, I would place my pussy-getting bet on those currently/formerly involved in any aspect of the drug trade.

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  21. on January 17, 2012 at 7:04 pm Matador

    Making up a shady past is a decent pickup strategy. But it’s better to have a wingman. Someone who’s gonna say to the hb: “You gotta stay away from him. He’s bad for you…”
    That way, you’re gonna create plausible deniability. Or confirm the lie and enjoy a hot wet sexy fling.

    I remember saying something like that to a girl as a beta, in order to make her forget about the bad guy and fall in love with me. And guess what? … Yep, exactly.

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  22. on January 17, 2012 at 7:05 pm William

    You’re wrong about DUIs: chicks, especially nice ones, still like them.

    It helps if your DUI involved totalling an expensive Mercedes, as mine did.

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  23. on January 17, 2012 at 7:07 pm Libertardian

    Yep. I knew a guy who’d just finished a 10-year sentence. He was a huge thug who’d fit right into your theories of facial structure and criminality. Bitches of every stripe would drool at him like a dog at a juicy steak. SWPLs probably wouldn’t be seen in public with him, but I have no doubt they’d be happy to bend over in private (and what else counts?). They all seem to think they’re going to discover his soft/non-abusive side, ironically just like the schlubs who are attracted to ice queens in hope of defrosting them.

    I wonder if you get extra tingle points for having made other men your bitches in there. I’d think the key would be to spin it as a power thing.

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  24. on January 17, 2012 at 7:22 pm Schwarzwald

    What if you have a shady past / did “criminal” stuff , but you were smart enough to stay out of jail/ never got caught?

    I was charged with “smuggling” of mary jane (from the Netherlands to germany) , I crossed a national boundary, so it became smuggling officially, although both are members of the EU and the border is open since the early 90s. stayed out of jail, due to small amount (30gramms, I think this equals an american ounce) and liberal drug laws at that time in germany.

    And where does Grafitti rank on the “cool crimes” list? I mean in the end it’s just painting structures that you shouldnt paint, but during my “writer” days, me and my friends sneaked into railway stations and sprayed the trains that were in the maintenance docks. (funnily, spraypainting walls is more illegal in germany than owning an ounce of weed)

    So, do you mention stuff like that (at the appropriate time of course, bragging is out of the question)?

    I figured it kind of works best if you hint at these things, get the girls curiosity up and then deliver a funny anecdote, reservoir dogs style, about your “troubled” past and leave it at that, just get the laughs and move on to another subject as if you told them about your last trip to a foreign city. they wil remember.

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  25. on January 17, 2012 at 7:30 pm Bobby C489

    Hell, I know chicks that even go for registered sex offenders.

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 9:03 pm virglekent

      for real….. whats there number….. wait what

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 9:25 am Thor

      “Sex offenders” is a broad category, starting with the vilest slime,
      but including crazy cases, such as a) My lawyer [in civil cases,
      I don’t do crime] told me about a client, 21 y.o. who was in
      a loving caring LTR-heading towards marriage with a 17 y.o.
      Four years in prison for statutory rape, and b) a man I know
      who – I never quite got the details – looked at the wrong pix
      on the internet and got 3.5 years in the federal slammer. Under
      California law, whatever he did was a misdemeanor. Go figure.

      Thor

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  26. on January 17, 2012 at 7:37 pm flyfreshandyoung

    Ha so true.

    I’ve got some minor, stupid, insignificant things on the record but damn do eyes perk up when it gets brought up that some of them involved getting arrested and booked.

    The sheer volume of my nickle and dime rap sheet helps too.

    Thankfully half of it is sealed.

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 10:17 pm Southern Man

      My son plays this well. He taught me more than I ever wanted to know about the juvenile justice system but cleaned up his act before eighteen and has no adult record, and it was pure hot chick crack. He’s had more pussy by twenty than I had by…well, ever.

      And now he’s fallen for a four (at best) and moved in with her. WTF?

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  27. on January 17, 2012 at 7:45 pm nepal

    Given that girls are as described in this post and this blog–and they are–how can anyone possibly still love them? This is what I don’t understand about this place. Yes, it’s totally right about women, but then somehow I’m still supposed to be able to love them after knowing these things? The right attitude is that of the Muslims, keep them locked up.

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 8:34 pm Matador

      You’re not supposed to “love” women. It’s actually perfectly OK to hate womankind, as long as it doesn’t fuck up your game, and make you seem like a passive-agressive loserish prick. But occasionally, if you meet enough “nice” girls, you can’t help but fall in love with one of them.

      Just never forget that she’s just a woman.

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 9:32 pm Bobby C489

      We don’t love them hoes.

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 9:32 pm Libertardian

      I hear you. Some are better than others, but I think the only long-term answer is to relocate to a society where the misbehavior described here is conditioned out of them (as it used to be in the U.S.) rather than encouraged (as it is now).

      And a big thank you to the moderator in advance, as he’ll save us from having to listen to the tsunami of “yellow fever” and “Japanese Stepford wives” and “you can’t handle a white womyn” wall-piercing screeching that would otherwise follow a post like this.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 9:14 am passingby

      “Given that girls are as described in this post and this blog–and they are–how can anyone possibly still love them?”

      You can have affection, even love, for all manner of flawed things, because all are flawed. Just don’t ever delude yourself that the flaws don’t exist, or that you don’t have some yourself. And never let your affection overcome your good sense. That is called being a man.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 9:49 am Laconophile

      What’s not to love about women? I love my dog even though he sometimes eats shit. Now if the state prevented me from disciplining my dog and encouraged him to shit and piss in the house, I imagine some resentment would occur.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 3:04 pm So, do the Zonk

      Women have glaring defects. Men have glaring defects. They just are not the same defects. They all arise from the sex drive, which is very deeply hardwired. And the best women like the best men have some understanding of themselves and try to rise above it and act decently, even though they fail some or most of the time. That is simply the tragic reality of being human, and the heroism of trying to make the most of it. Understanding yourself and understanding other people helps you be realistic about them. Then, you can love them knowing that they are far from perfect, just poor, stupid, weak, fouled up human beings. The Muslims are wrong. Freedom and realism are the best way. Our ancestors knew this. They were realists about human beings. The Biblical depiction of human sinfulness is highly consistent with the modern science shown on this site. Realism about male and female sexuality is embedded in traditional thinking and practice. Delusion about sexuality, mostly arising from Feminism, is the problem. Love is possible, but love requires reality.

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  28. on January 17, 2012 at 7:54 pm xsplat

    Of course no matter how tingly your past is, never incriminate yourself.

    No matter how stable that loving feeling seems, the girl can turn on you. Don’t fore arm her.

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    • on January 17, 2012 at 10:42 pm Tyrone

      If you’ve done it and can do time for it, its better to shut up about it.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 4:09 pm John Norman Howard

      ^^^ THIS ^^^

      Don’t ever tell nobody nuthin’… especially girls… but either sex will throw it back in your face at the first opportunity.

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  29. on January 17, 2012 at 8:04 pm theprivateman

    Shit, that guy van der Sloot has some cougar DOCTOR in Florida drooling all over him.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 1:25 am uh

      And you remember the tingle-tinged letters with which Breivik was showered.

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  30. on January 17, 2012 at 8:50 pm modernguy

    nepal – you could just pretend you do. Pretend that banging a litany of whores in empty, meaningless encounters is the pinnacle of a man’s purpose and destiny, then start a blog proclaiming your love for the lifestyle. Until the contradiction starts to grow like a cancer in your soul and you blow your brains out in your middle age. Women are rotten (now, here), trying to find reasons to love them means you’re a fool. Roosh at least has a healthy perspective – he is at one with his grudge-fucking chakra. Just move somewhere that isn’t the West.

    [heartiste: is all sex with women an empty, meaningless encounter for you? you should look into that problem. then, you should read this blog more carefully for evidence that the short term fling lifestyle is the only one worth pursuing. hint: you won’t find any.

    ps nice ‘let’s you and him fight’ ploy.]

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  31. on January 17, 2012 at 8:56 pm Diomedes

    All very, very true. All the better if you’ve been convicted for slapping around a girl.

    See Jim Goad (an author everyone should have a look at) describe his experience of getting out of prison after serving a few years for smashing his girlfriend’s face in and finding himself to be catnip for the ladies: http://www.jimgoad.net/pdf/sex/badboys.pdf

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  32. on January 17, 2012 at 9:06 pm virglekent

    I agree with everything written in this post. As you said contrast is king. It helps if you’re well spoken and educated and have a rough past you get tingles. It also helps if you sorta look like you could switch back to the bad boy days if you felt like it, probably why she was attracted to you in the first place but now it’s confirmed.

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  33. on January 17, 2012 at 9:29 pm Aaron

    The are certain crimes where not only does the criminal record signify alpha, but some sympathy can be garnered – these two ingredients together I imagine being powerful.

    A distant relative of mine has a record from once saving a girl from being sexually assaulted by fucking up some guys and one of them ended up permanently retarded. He at least has a girlfriend last I heard.

    Also, my older brother also did time for a significant drug related offense. During the trial his long term girlfriend married him, he cheated on her with two 16 year olds at once (she caught him), her and one of the chicks proposed sharing him because they both empathized with each others’ love for him, he didn’t want that though then eventually she ended up institutionalized for a short time.

    He just got out of a different 3 or 4 year relationship (’cause she wanted to get married), and now he’s running an online escort agency.

    Point being don’t let your criminal record get you down.

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  34. on January 17, 2012 at 9:30 pm Rant Casey - BR

    Being arrested for invading military police barracks just to see the sight from the roof of the taller building counts how many points?

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  35. on January 17, 2012 at 9:33 pm ryan

    I used to get drunk and pound the shit out of guys all the time. Often had a cut or a black eye or swollen knuckles. Once I beat a bartender senseless, another time I knocked a guy out on the dance floor. Fought with the cops.

    Chicks flocked to me like flies on shit. I fucked them till they screamed like panthers. Usually had a couple fighting over me. Great times.

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  36. on January 17, 2012 at 10:44 pm Cauthon

    The guy in my college fraternity who got laid more than anyone else in the house was on probation the entire time for something he did in high school. Our school was a two-hour drive from the city where he was on probation. His plan, in case his probation officer showed up, was to have his mom stall and then call/text so he could rush home.

    This guy was short, probably 5’7, not in great shape. He was recruited as a fullback for the football team but quit so he could party. He was also poor, at least relative to the other students at the expensive private school. He was a misogynist (although only around the guys, never to a girl’s face.) He had no compensating features. His success was all about attitude.

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  37. on January 17, 2012 at 10:45 pm Tyrone

    I like to tell women I was in the Waffen SS. Most can’t do enough math to figure out I’d have to be in my mid to late 80s.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 12:07 am Dan Fletcher

      A+

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 12:17 am Dan Fletcher

      I’ve heard Nazi BDSM stuff is a surprisingly common fetish.

      And you have to admit, the Nazis did have some badass uniforms.

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      • on January 18, 2012 at 6:13 pm Libertardian

        Tyrone: Hilarious, especially the part about how they’re too dumb to do the math.

        Dan: Yeah, in fact I’ve known Jewish women who wanted to roleplay being interrogated by Nazis. I guess history repeats, the second time as kink.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 1:29 am uh

      Genius.

      I tell them I was in the FFL. But you know, they’re so uninformed, I could just as well say I was in the North-Zimbabwean Underwater Sonderkommando Battalion.

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      • on January 18, 2012 at 6:16 pm Libertardian

        And when a woman says, “so…you were in charge of loading bodies into the ovens while underwater?”, you know you’ve finally found a keeper.

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      • on January 18, 2012 at 10:45 pm Tyrone

        Then tell them you were in the Rhodesian Army. Tell them you hunted Mugabe when he was a terrorist and are pretty handy with an Armalite. You never lost in the field, you were sold out by panty waist Marxists in London and Paris. Remember the t-Shirts? Be a Man Among Men, Join the Rhodesian Army. They had a silhouette of a tall bereted soldier on patrol with his FN FAL. I always thought that was a cool shirt. They’re looking for a reason to love an anti-SWPL.

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      • on January 20, 2012 at 1:31 am uh

        I can never bring myself to spend the $25 for that shirt from cafepress, but I just know it would help me score.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 9:31 am Thor

      You could be an honorary member of the OdeSSA!

      Thor

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      • on January 18, 2012 at 10:46 pm Tyrone

        Yes, I practice dentistry in my spare time.

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  38. on January 17, 2012 at 11:55 pm YaReally

    lol brb taking it up the bum in prison to get laid by girls after

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  39. on January 18, 2012 at 12:00 am Trimegistus

    DUI has to have a good story. “I was drunk and got pulled over” isn’t interesting.

    “I was drunk out of my mind going 135 in a school zone taking potshots at the streetlights while some chick I didn’t even know was naked in the passenger seat” is awesome.

    If the details of your crime aren’t available to the public, feel free to embroider them. If at some point she finds out the reality wasn’t up to your awesome story, you can always say “My defense attorney earned every penny I paid him keeping that shit out of the charge.”

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  40. on January 18, 2012 at 12:11 am Anonymous

    I just have an arrest for an open container violation in college. But in the crew I hang with, even THAT is badass. So I let it be known.

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  41. on January 18, 2012 at 12:44 am corvinus

    Another one is getting kicked out of a bar or two. For some dumb reason that has upped my cool factor among the girls I know well.

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  42. on January 18, 2012 at 1:15 am Girl

    I would not worry about it. I don’t think it’s THAT common for girls to be doing criminal background checks on their dates. My roommate learned how to look up judicial records online in a criminology classes, but before that it never occurred to me as something one would even do. I’ve never searched for anyone myself and I’ve never heard other girls discussing it; I just think most girls aren’t tech-savvy or aware enough to really care.

    If she’s actually taking the time to look you up, she’s probably into you enough that a minor charge isn’t going to count against you–if anything, you might get points. I mean, women rationalize dating mass murderers and serial killers–a DUI is nothing. Even something like being on the sex offender list; if we’re already invested in you we’re not going to think, “My god, he was probably raping 3 year olds!” but more along the lines of “Must have gotten caught peeing in public.”

    The exception I think would be if you’re online dating and haven’t gotten the chance to make a first impression or establish social proof before she sees the charges. In that case you’ll want to have an explanation ready, but as long as it’s along the lines of “I used to be wild when I was younger but now I have my act together,” you won’t go wrong.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 2:18 pm Stuki

      Damn, Heartiste, you just got an insightful comment from a girl!!

      The whole face-time vs. online distinction is a good one. Perhaps I’m giving women too much credit, but I don’t think putting sex offender in your OKCupid profile is going to up your chances.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 4:11 pm Tyrone

      How do you look them up, by the way? All I ever get when I google this question are sites that want you to pay $20 for inaccurate information.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 6:36 pm Whitehall

      My latest realization?

      There are no beer goggles on the Internet.

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  43. on January 18, 2012 at 1:23 am Anonymous

    Never give a woman enough back story on shit you’ve gotten away with or engage in shit together where you took the risk while she had none because when push comes to shove they will burn you every time. I keep a copy of this received text to always remind me of this-

    “Oh…remember that I’ve got pics too [x] and a whole lot of damning stories if you want to start making threats.”

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 3:49 pm xsplat

      Exactly. On the whole don’t allow for any sort of blackmail or revenge against you, true or false. Keep your income mobile and keep on your person everything you need in case of an urgent desire to travel.

      Women are extremely dangerous, and men who handle them require extreme and multiple forms of protection.

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  44. on January 18, 2012 at 1:57 am the admiral

    you didnt mention theft and smoking buddha, hah, but its just about the attitude that you dont give a fuck. plus if your cool about it and get away with it all youre twice as better off

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  45. on January 18, 2012 at 2:02 am lemmiwinks

    I have a DUI and have spent a few nights in the tank after bar fights.

    I could be going away for a while for tax evasion though. Where would that rank?

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    • on January 19, 2012 at 2:47 am Thor

      Tax evasion – reframe as a matter of principle, not as pure
      greed – regardless of your real motive. Use your
      imagination, I can think of two lines of argument here,
      pick ONE – or create your own.

      1) I won’t support a government that does xxxxx (pick something
      she detests, not you. )
      2) The case against me is/was contradictory/unconstitutional/etc
      (do NOT use “unfair”, is wimpy).

      Thor

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  46. on January 18, 2012 at 2:53 am ampontan

    This is a true story; happened my second year of college. I was in a rather wild fraternity well known for its parties.

    At the first party in spring when the weather was nice, a lot of people showed up. One was an under-18 girl, but close enough. It was apparent she wanted action. She was grabbing crotches on the stairs.

    Everyone stayed away from her, smelling trouble, except one of the goofy frat bothers, who did her for some weird reason. (He was also handsome and could have done well with someone older, which made it inexplicable.) The girl’s father, a psychiatrist, wound up finding out what happened and had the guy arrested on statuory rape. His trial was in the summer and the case was dismissed, and she was put in the care of a psychiatrist “other than her father”.

    However: From the time of the incident until the end of the school year, that guy had more women knocking at his door than I’ve ever seen a man have in his life. (I knew because I lived right off the top of the stairs and he lived at the end of the hall and they went by my door.) He also wound up with a regular girlfriend in that period (who he cheated on) who was so lovely and sweet she was the dream girl of every boy’s mother for her son.

    That was the most educational experience I ever had in college.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 4:53 pm Anonymous

      Interesting. Even with my chateau training, I would think a statutory rape accusation would send the girls running(away).

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      • on January 18, 2012 at 5:07 pm corvinus

        Do you seriously think that in regarding statutory rape charges against men who do 17-year-old girls, that women see them as B.S. just as much as men do? They’re thinking, “He did a hot 17-year-old. Me likey.”

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  47. on January 18, 2012 at 3:37 am Thor

    I like “identity transplant”.
    But it is “strata” in the plural.
    And the best anger management is to crunch the enemy
    underfoot, listen to the cries of his children and the
    lamentations of his women. I have not personally
    tried this, but is seems likely to bring closure and
    be good for your self-esteem, and a bunch
    of other things the SWPL-league fawns on.

    Thor

    [heartiste: i dunno about strata being the appropriate word in this context. look it up. strata seems to refer strictly to atmospheric phenomena while stratum means something akin to layers. grammar challenge!]

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  48. on January 18, 2012 at 4:42 am Stu

    Got to ask, what about the other side of the trench: law enforcement?

    Thinking robbery/homicide squad rather than highway patrol.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 5:37 pm Blackbeard

      If women are attracted to thugs who prey on the weak, then I dont see why they wouldnt be attracted to law enforcement who take down violent criminals. It seems to be on the same side of the coin to me. Women should register LE officers as attractive considering most of them have violent tendencies, but they only direct it toward criminals who break the law.

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      • on January 18, 2012 at 10:48 pm Tyrone

        They do. Cops often have lots of groupies.

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  49. on January 18, 2012 at 5:20 am Anonymous

    Most countries wouldn’t allow the government to smear a person’s name by getting convictions listed online and into the google record. Only anglo saxon governments are that vicious. Americans should be able to sue the local police departments for alerting the press with their full names about accusations the government makes against an individual. An example would be the businessman in California whose name was smeared recently by a local news station after he was arrested for being friends with a 17 year old female.

    In most countries, the local news station wouldn’t be given the information for something like that. Even Sweden, with it’s anti-john laws, won’t humiliate men who are arrested and the government disagrees with the more extreme feminists there who at least want the men to receive paper mail regarding the $2000 fines they have to pay for solicitation. The Swedish government says that a man’s wife might open the paper mail and it wouldn’t be fair to the man that his wife knows he was arrested for wanting sex with a prostitute.

    Compare that to the US where the mangina police will alert the local news stations to destroy a man’s reputation without due process.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 2:31 pm Stuki

      The theory behind making the record public is not “smearing”, but allowing innocent third parties appropriate caution. Judging by this post and responses…… well, so much for that theory!

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      • on January 18, 2012 at 5:18 pm corvinus

        I’m sorry, but there is a difference. The vast majority of men are attracted to 17-year-old girls, but not to 11-year-olds. Anglo-Saxon governments treat having sex with a 17-year-old and an 11-year-old the same. In both cases, after being jailed, they get put on a sex offender catalog with the attached stigma. Not to mention the employment problems that that brings. So yes, since in most cases, it’s caused by sex with a 17 or 16-year-old, it is therefore in most cases “smearing”.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 10:52 pm Tyrone

      There’s a public entertainment quality to US justice that’s undignified. We politicized crime and punishment in the 80s and its been downhill ever since. I’m hoping we see the problem and actually do something about it. Ed Meese of all people, is heading a bi-partisan commission on identifying and recommending for repeal redundant and duplicative federal laws. I read about it a couple of years back, but not much since then. I’m sure Congress has more important things to do.

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  50. on January 18, 2012 at 5:22 am Anonymous

    OT but here is a candidate for Beta of the Month:

    It’s “Johnny Ringo” answering a Quora question on what people in their 30’s and 40’s most regret in life:

    Pushing 40 here. When you’re a kid and a teen, there is a vague script laid out in front of you that says you will graduate from high school or college, get a job, get married, buy a house, and have kids, because that’s what people do. So you assume that’s what you’ll do.

    Lots of people don’t want to follow a script though. They want to go out and explore and do interesting things. And they question whether they even want to marry and have kids. So they go and have their adventures and stay single and nimble and mobile. And then one day they realize all of their friends are married with kids. As the Allman Brothers put it, “Nobody left to run with me anymore.” Suddenly they’re on the outside of their peers’ world. It was creeping up the whole time but only now do they notice. Their peers are living a different kind of life that sticks closer to home and is more about bedtime stories than beers, training wheels not travel.

    And suddenly it can become very lonely and quiet. And then you realize that the ovaries of the women in your peer group are past their reproductive prime. (Many are divorced with kids, which really takes some getting used to when dating, because that sounds like something for grownups – oh crap! you’re a grownup!). And if you were to meet someone tomorrow, date for a year, be engaged for a year, and get married, even if you started trying to have a kid right away, you’re looking at 40 year old ovaries or more. That’s dicey.

    So you kind of half panic and half get strategic about finding a younger woman. Too young is not only weird but usually not desirable – there’s just too much life experience separating you. So you say, “30. I could marry a 30 year old woman and we could still have time to have two kids in the safe zone.” But that’s when you realize you’re not so hot yourself anymore. When the hair starts falling out, that’s when things get real. Graying hair? Real. You can no longer pretend you’re your 20s self. 30s never sounded old but you’re starting to show it. The bloom is off the rose and you feel like you aren’t attractive enough to draw somebody younger. And you feel like people will see you as a reject for having stayed single. “Must be something wrong with him. Damaged goods.” You think about giving up on the younger women and hooking up with someone your age who’s going through the same thing. And then you realize you might never have kids.

    So suddenly you realize you’ve pretty much missed your window for the kind of life you just wanted to put off for a while while you went out and did your own unscripted thing. Marriage and kids were always a possibility but now for the first time ever it’s possible that you may never have a family. Even if it wasn’t something you were particularly striving for, suddenly realizing you’ll never have it is like a punch in the stomach, even if you’re a guy. You’re letting go of a version of you that might have been, that seemed like would have been, should have been. It’s a death of sorts and there is grieving.

    That script, even if we avoided it, has always been the sort of definition of life for you. What do you do now? You start fast forwarding to when you’re old and there’s nobody to take care of you, nobody to love you. You picture yourself in some old folks home, no family, no friends, just rotating paid staff to wheel you around and give you your pills. And that’s if you can pay for it. And then one day you’re dead and there’s nobody for them to tell. It starts to look so bleak. And you start kicking yourself that you brushed off relationships when you were in your prime. Because now you’re done gallivanting but you already handed away most of your chances.

    We don’t know why we’re here, we don’t know the meaning of life, and we don’t know the purpose of it. In that context, I think that dedicating yourself to raising another human and loving a family is maybe the only thing that truly matters. And I pushed it away. There’s still time for me, but the windows are much slimmer. The pickings are slimmer amongst my fellow walking wounded who have made it this far alone. I don’t even know if I know how to be with someone at this point.

    And in another respect, it’s just not easy to live on your own. Your married friends essentially all have roommates and ever present friends. They pool two incomes, they share costs, they drive each other to the airport, they pick each other up from the mechanic, they drive each other home after anesthesia at the dentist. They take care of each other when they’re sick. They both fund their retirement. They’re somebody to talk to, somebody to share things in life with. A co-pilot. It’s hard not to have that. Your single income.Your double expenses. Your solo experiences. Your table for one. Your silence. Your waiting around for… what?

    So my advice is, no matter what you choose to do in life, look for somebody, find somebody good, and hold onto them. Find them in your prime. It doesn’t have to be a fairy tale, just find a good person. Don’t wait. You can still find someone if you wait, but your options and possibilities are so much more numerous when you’re young.

    [heartiste: this is an A+ feminist troll job.
    ps men have more leeway than women to get younger mates who can give them kids. femcunts don’t want you to know that.]

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 11:55 am Whitehall

      The tragedy of modern SWPL life is that adolescence now extends beyond the child-bearing years.

      I started with a Southern Shotgun Wedding at 17. Made a man of me FAST. Then had twins at 19.

      There is a deep satisfaction in raising children successfully. It is not about pleasure but fulfillment of life’s purpose for YOU. Life goes on IF you do your part.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 6:29 pm Libertardian

      Yeah, that’s a chick projecting her experience onto men.

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  51. on January 18, 2012 at 9:11 am passingby

    Forgive the slavish post, but the insights presented here should be curriculum for young men everywhere.

    Everything you said is dead on.

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  52. on January 18, 2012 at 9:28 am passingby

    “There’s a huge benefit to having a shady past and having your shit together in the present day.”

    Yup. Even in a professional setting, knowing how the rest of the world, outside safe suburban America, lives is a real benefit. The few times someone tried to go “street” on me as a grown adult, their attempt at intimidation elicited only a grin from me, a “You want to go *there*, do you?!” nod, and an invitation to take that escalation as far as they wanted.

    Even dumb animal prey can figure out they might get eaten in short order if they don’t get moving.

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  53. on January 18, 2012 at 9:51 am colombian guy

    it reminds me of how in 2000 i went to europe but before leaving, half the embassies i applyed for a visa , denied it on the spot, just based on my country problems at the time. i fulfilled every requirement so i was pissed. i left any way and crossed frontiers ilegally trying to avoid the cops all the time.

    i remember being in norway telling a girl, “hey, we have to be careful and avoid police at all costs”. this girls face changed completely and i had the fuck of a lifetime. knowing my new trick, i used it a few times, getting very good results all over europe, even in the countries i was legal i would tell them i was not.

    this worked even tough i was a total omega back then and i was learning ross jeffries stuff that never worked for me. but this did.

    guess who were the ones who loved this bad ass euro-wetback even more.
    the educated classy ones. go figure… off course, the contrast thing is key. back then i was pursuing a degree and my race type does not match at all the stereotype of an inmigrant. /(i am mediterranean -caucasian with scandinavian ancestry)

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  54. on January 18, 2012 at 9:52 am DirkJohanson

    Maybe this is just wishful thinking since as a frequent payah I feel its the most likely thing I’ll ever be caught doing, but I think the stigma is largely off solicitation. Look how nicely Hugh Grant has rebounded, and Charlie Sheen has always elicited tingles.

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  55. on January 18, 2012 at 11:05 am BD

    Several wives of friends have lit up when they found out I was “a bad ass” that had been envolved in some violent incidences (none my fault, but I don’t back down). Luck is the only reason I don’t have a tombstone or a record (besides a disorderly for a fight I didn’t start). These ladies were so interested, they made me a bit unfomfortable, considering I was right in front of my boys, their husbands. I could have used this unknown power of mine years prior if I knew what game was. Damn!

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  56. on January 18, 2012 at 11:29 am Anonymous

    In HS i ripped off creditcard companies to get free porn. never got caught tho…so no record/proof

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  57. on January 18, 2012 at 11:41 am Whitehall

    “Strata” is plural; “Stratum” is singular.

    Here’s a tough one – “antenna” is singular; “antennae” is plural.

    Just call me “Professor Whitehall.”

    You may thank me later.

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    • on January 19, 2012 at 3:03 am Thor

      I try to get the Latin words right, except never having taken
      a Latin class in my life, I eschew the case endings.
      But the typical easy form in nominative is

      Male: S. alumnus Pl. alumni (pl. includes mixed gender)
      Female: S alumna, Pl. alumnae (as with the antenna above)
      Neuter: S. Stratum, Pl. Strata or S. datum, Pl. data
      (Thus “these data are” not “this data is”)

      But it would be the rare occasion where this is useful
      in getting women interested.

      Although part of the mating ritual between my late
      wife and me was quoting alternating verses
      of “Jabberwocky”. Seriously. But not very generalizable.

      Thor

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  58. on January 18, 2012 at 11:54 am Aurini

    I was falsely charged with domestic violence (eventually found innocent); even this works. Sympathy for dating the psycho woman, admiration for my stories about my cell mates Trigger and Adolf (seriously).

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  59. on January 18, 2012 at 12:10 pm Anonymous

    I feel like having a criminal record is a DLV to women for a couple reasons:

    1. You don’t have to get caught to be a badass or have undertaken criminal behavior

    2. Being a criminal can affect your ability to project power due to legal restrictions

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 12:49 pm flyfreshandyoung

      Keep reading.

      Maybe you’ll get it someday

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 2:40 pm Stuki

      In countries more stratified than the US (yes, they do exists, bigtime), 2 is a very valid point. Pretty much every place to meet a certain class of girl is beyond the reach of those not in that social class themselves. Even the bloody help is sometimes teenagers from the upper classes.

      In America, even the richest of the rich will have a poolboy who never got background checked.

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      • on January 19, 2012 at 3:12 am Thor

        Yes they do exist. In fact, very few countries (Scandinavia mainly)
        are less stratified than the US. But it is not just a matter of
        money. I have some personal stories from the UK, but a
        fictional but well know one will do.

        In “Titanic” the movie, Leonardi DiCaprio runs with his rich gf
        through the machine room in the ship, where big men are
        shoveling big coal.

        He keeps yelling “you are doing a jolly good job, keep it up”.
        Now DiCaprio/Dawson is an American, but smart enough to
        know the difference in the UK (Titanic is a British ship).

        Translation of the quote above:
        “I am at least upper middle class, you are working class,
        so don’t you DARE challenging me, asking what the hell
        I am doing here, or otherwise try to make trouble”.
        That, my friends, is stratification. The fact that Dawson
        is a starving artist doesn’t matter. Think of it as a
        version of game!

        Thor

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  60. on January 18, 2012 at 12:12 pm King A

    This thread explains much. Thanks for it.

    Women are involuntarily attracted to danger. Criminality is an indication of a man’s independence. Being undeterred by your rap sheet turns a potential liability into an asset, depending on how you handle it.

    But the romance of criminality is woman-think, no different than any other myth inside their heads about the social dynamic, like the Knight in Shining Armor, or Mister Right, or My One and Only Soulmate, or The Destiny of Love. There are as many femmcentric movies about charming criminals as there are about lovesick-infatuated alphas and ugly duckling girls who only have to take off their glasses. Like most feminine theories, they fall apart in reality. (Not that women don’t persist in them anyway.) Ugly ducklings are fat and irredeemably nasty, alphas are not infatuated by definition, and criminals are fucking dumb. Watch “Cops” once.

    So, yeah, you can exploit that female reality gap to your advantage, hint at the impossible fantasy that you have squared the circle of criminality and charm. Twatnip for sure. But don’t mistake a woman’s theory as actual. Criminality arrests your manhood. It demonstrates your stupidity in more than one way, first by revealing how inadequately you surveyed an unwinnable situation (Sun Tzu anyone?), and second by getting caught. Not that stupidity is a liability per se with the ladies, but it does lock you out of the highest levels of accomplishment. There are surer ways to demonstrate your independence than relying on one of women’s more preposterous and easily punctured delusions.

    Real criminals are not a makeover project waiting to happen any more than real whores are Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. Criminals are antisocial retards, unable to acquire the basics of human interaction, not unlike the hopelessly autistic. If you can’t help but get in trouble with the law — which is about as easy a task as there is — it’s a sign you’re a much bigger putz than you can comprehend, and therefore not nearly as “dangerously attractive” as you think you are. Women “with options” don’t make random conjugal visits, because felons are life’s losers everywhere but in the minds of female screenwriters.

    The comments to this thread scream that we are all Niggaz Wit Attitude now. Speak for yourself, homey. If that’s the best you can do, play your shitty hand to the max, bluff out your more timid rivals, go all in. That’s a respectable showing. But for the rest of us who didn’t grow up in the ghetto? Niggaz, please.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 1:16 pm YaReally

      Shit. I actually agree with a King A comment.

      One of my social circles is a younger group of alpha guys who hit the bar with the motto “fuck or fight”. If they don’t get laid, they pick a fight. Gotta demonstrate you’re a man and all that, after all.

      They feel badass telling the stories of being thrown out or arrested the next weekend, and girls do tingle, especially social circle girls who hear about them thru reputation, but in cold approach pickup you aren’t picking up girls in the club if you aren’t still IN the club. The hottest girls who’ve spent months establishing and building reputations in high value social circles aren’t chasing your socially incompetent ass out the door yelling at the bouncers and cops on your behalf like a bad episode of Jersey Shore. Doesn’t mean they’re not attracted on a base instinct level watching you struggle with the bouncers, but you’re not fucking them.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 2:37 pm Harkat

      King A strikes again with his comment-field essay.

      Also: Good points.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 3:51 pm Krakonos

      You cannot run civilization that way, but who cares? At least women do not.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 3:56 pm Traveller

      Wrong, as usual.

      Crime and innocence are 99% social constructs.

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      • on January 18, 2012 at 5:01 pm Dan Fletcher

        gtfo

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 3:59 pm Tyrone

      When I was a kid, it was expected that a “man” have an arrest or two for minor violations like brawling or drinking too much. This is not a new phenomenon. John Wayne spent a couple of days in jail. It won’t prevent you from getting a security clearance either, so it must be somewhat common. John Singleton Mosby shot a man in an argument and spent a couple of years in jail. He later became a lawyer, a war hero, and a major historical figure.

      Check out the historical marker on 123 when you go into downtown Fairfax City. That’s where he captured the Union general and woke him up by smacking him on the ass with his sabre. No one thought much of him being a lawyer or a military officer when the time came. We live in a society where you can unwittingly commit 3 felonies a day. Being an outlaw in an unfair state is more honorable than kissing the asses of your oppressors. There comes a point where Caesar’s demands are too oppressive to render anything to. Women want to know they’re hooking up with someone who knows how to take care of them when the chips are down and we can’t run to lawyers to litigate the problem away.

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      • on January 18, 2012 at 5:22 pm corvinus

        The most famous character in Middle England is Robin Hood.

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      • on January 18, 2012 at 9:45 pm Mark Slater

        Tyrone’s comment is exceedingly good. Certainly, having a personal code of honor (Wayne, CSA hero Mosby) is Alpha; whereas being a supplicator (whether to women or to an oppressive state) is not Alpha.

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      • on January 19, 2012 at 9:35 am King A

        I agree, Tyrone. I made my contrary comment to pull the phenomenon back into context. I don’t get the sense that Heartiste’s readers understand the importance of threading the needle.

        Fighting the law is a badge of respect that can easily devolve into the mark of a loser.

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      • on January 19, 2012 at 11:30 am Tyrone

        No problem King A. I agree there is a huge difference of degree here. I also think thieves are shit birds and don’t count for social clemency. It’s one thing to get caught in a scrap or two to assert your manhood, its quite another to break the law because you know or care for nothing else. We also give people too few chances these days to recover from youthful stupidity in an economic sense. Today a fellow like Mosby would be ruined, precluded by the nanny state from ever becoming a lawyer or a soldier.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 5:02 pm Dan Fletcher

      This is good shit right here.

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    • on January 19, 2012 at 3:24 am Thor

      “Criminals are antisocial retards, unable to acquire the basics of human interaction, not unlike the hopelessly autistic. If you can’t help but get in trouble with the law — which is about as easy a task as there is ”

      Rubbish! You are conflating many types of criminal, among which

      a) The losers who rob a liquor store at opening time, walking off
      with less than a hundred bucks. Cost/Revenue is brutal,
      considering that the cost is probably years in the slammer.

      b) Professional criminals, operating singly (ghost burglars) or
      as a group, i.e. mobsters and similar.

      c) Somebody who got into a fight, not necessarily his fault,…

      d) Drug users busted for possession

      e) Hypertechnical criminals that end up in jail for bizarre
      “offenses”. One man owned a golf course (I think) and
      was jailed by the state of New Jersey for having the
      wrong kind of bushes on his property. (His jail
      nickname: Shrub). Digging a ditch to drain your
      driveway gives the crime of interfering with a navigable
      federal waterway. And thousands of other insane laws.

      Your description fits the a) above but none of the others.

      Thor

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    • on January 19, 2012 at 3:27 am Thor

      Oh, and the biggest set of criminals, politicians.

      Above a certain level, they are incredibly sexy
      as defined by women’s behavior.

      Thor

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  61. on January 18, 2012 at 12:51 pm Laci

    My amazingly hot alpha man has quite a criminal record, mostly assault charges and drug distribution. All of this was over five years ago, and today he is extremely suave, clean-cut, and professionally successful. The contrast of his persona now with his unsavory past is definitely like catnip to me.

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  62. on January 18, 2012 at 1:51 pm Whitehall

    An alternate to a criminal record is proof that you can handle dangerous weapons.

    Some of my best sex has happened after taking a woman to a shooting range and teaching her the basics of gun handling and firing off a few rounds.

    Liberal women are especially tempted by this move.

    Remember the miniseries “Rome”? The dumb soldier once tells his colleague that women say they hate violence, but it makes them “wetter than October.”

    A supporting fact is women watching ice hockey. Sure, “ballet on ice” but it is the rough stuff they crave.

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    • on January 19, 2012 at 11:22 am Tyrone

      He had a criminal record too. He was sentenced to the arena for murder.

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  63. on January 18, 2012 at 3:12 pm thwack

    Sometimes this site is like “nigger grad school”

    wtf, should I get a gold toof and learn to rap too?

    Wake up White man.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 9:50 pm n/a

      Best comment here. Bravo.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 10:31 pm Tyrone

      +1

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 11:46 pm John Norman Howard

      Twackie, we hardly knew ye!

      Reading your latest post here is like seeing a bizarro-world version of the Watermelon Man.

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  64. on January 18, 2012 at 3:48 pm MikeDiver

    It is not just VeeJay tingles involved. The women are also more likely to want to have your children if you have a prison record. The proof: in every demographic category, men with a prison record (some times a very long prison record) have more children than those that do not have a record. From a biological perspective, the most successful men in this sick society are those with a criminal past/present/prison record.

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    • on January 20, 2012 at 3:19 pm Prime Alpha

      > [women are more likely to want a criminal’s child]
      > The proof: in every demographic category
      > men with a prison record have more children
      > than those that do not have a record

      Proof of WHAT?

      The discussion on this post is becoming absurd. Y’all should take a class in basic research methods.

      If there is a CORRELATION between criminality, and more offspring, this can EASILY be attributed to the RECKLESSNESS of said criminals, and their disregard for the results of their actions [read: not using condoms, for example]. Disregard which, by the by, sometimes shadows their own offspring.

      This has nothing to do with vajayjay tingles. Any chill, “the cool guy in school” alpha type easily beds more women than a criminal, and most of them don’t have children cause they watch their bloody step and take precautions.

      Seriously, for the love of poon, if we’re going to have a decent discussion, at least make sure you make decent, rather than pop-psychology, arguments.

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  65. on January 18, 2012 at 3:59 pm Traveller

    I do not know about white collar crime.

    If you do not get caught, you have nothing to tell – better shut up.

    But if you did get caught, you show you are not so smart, since that is all about being smarter than your surroundings.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 11:03 pm Tyrone

      Or how much money your firm wants to spend on auditors. Simple fraud can be done incompetently for quite a while if management doesn’t pay attention. Deja Vue in DC used to have a big theft problem in its bar and finger food section. I would guess 30% was being stolen by the wait staff and bartenders in collusion.

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  66. on January 18, 2012 at 4:01 pm sharp

    Rihanna and Chris Brown are supposedly back together. No further comment needed, except bwa hahahaha.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 4:53 pm Anonymous

      I love the fact that jizzebel hate it:

      http://jezebel.com/5877120/rihannas-been-secretly-hooking-up-with-chris-brown-for-a-year/

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  67. on January 18, 2012 at 5:06 pm Graham

    CH says chicks dig criminal records, and suddenly everyone here has one. I love the community.

    [heartiste: i don’t know if people who say they have criminal records are telling the truth. but, assuming they are, it would make sense that more comments than usual are from readers claiming such. this post gives them a reason to comment. selection bias.]

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 8:16 pm uh

      Wouldn’t Chateau readers be rather likely to have criminal records? And, in this society, if you’re a white man who has done anything with his life but grovel, aren’t you almost guaranteed to have one?

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      • on January 19, 2012 at 10:21 am Graham

        Maybe some of us get away with our crimes. But anyway, I meant it with affection. We all spin yarns, it’s part of the game.

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    • on January 18, 2012 at 11:48 pm John Norman Howard

      Most of ’em for barnyard sodomy… the pig squealed.

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  68. on January 18, 2012 at 8:08 pm ponymaruni

    hey what about heroine use? i usually snort 2 grams on friday and the skank hoes always follow up with a nice fellatio while im fucked up.

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  69. on January 18, 2012 at 9:50 pm drunicusveritas

    Big whoop. It means you’re not frightened by community college grads (your average dim witted cop) nor by those who did 3 years of test prep for the bar (lawyers and judges, most of whom aren’t smart enough to do math. And doing math means you can build and/ or easily destroy shit, and laser in to the real reasons).
    Also, that the losers in the holding center don’t intimidate you one tiny bit. Your cornhole is pristine, because you would kick most of their asses.
    Now you’re out, and (much like a veteran army officer or a firefighter) NOTHING can scare you.
    Go to hell and back, and few men will look frightening.
    Yeah, I did six months, and spent most of it in the weight room. So what.

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  70. on January 18, 2012 at 10:40 pm Anonymous

    Students of human relationships, sex and procreation have had many of their fundamental questions answered to a high level of satisfaction by viewing those questions through an economic lense. Utility theory so far has not lent much insight to one commonly observed difference between the sexes. That difference is the sweeping but not baseless generalization that in many environments the behavior of men is more influenced by the physical attractiveness of women than vice versa.

    It is commonly accepted that in many cases women are less influenced by this factor because a man’s skills and assets provide significantly more utility than his appearance. The explanation for the lack of symmetry in those environments, that men do not seek women with skills and assets to an equivalent extent, is that in these environments women have not possessed skills and assets to the degree that this factor becomes significant.

    In these environments men procreate with women that are attractive in order that their daughters and granddaughters will be attractive to other men. These daughters will be supported by other men, and their children will supported by other men.

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  71. on January 18, 2012 at 11:22 pm OSB

    “It is commonly accepted that in many cases women are less influenced by this factor because a man’s skills and assets provide significantly more utility than his appearance. The explanation for the lack of symmetry in those environments, that men do not seek women with skills and assets to an equivalent extent, is that in these environments women have not possessed skills and assets to the degree that this factor becomes significant.”

    Speak for yourself, honey.

    Then again I’m the polar opposite of an attractive babe, so win-win.

    Also also – Power of Suggestion in this topic. Perhaps an experiment in Schadenfreude is taking place? 😉

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  72. on January 19, 2012 at 7:33 am Luitprand

    Heartiste- what do you think of the following article?

    I found it super useful and trustworthy, especially for an article written by a woman, but are all of its points accurate? Or are some off-the-mark?

    http://www.bodylanguageuniversity.com/public/239.cfm

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  73. on January 20, 2012 at 3:24 am the realist

    what if you just have bad credit lol

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  74. on January 20, 2012 at 4:24 pm Whitehall

    So what do we guys think about women with criminal records?

    For her age, Martha Stewart is still pretty hot…..

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    • on January 22, 2012 at 9:44 am Thor

      As I have already written in this thread, there are quite a few
      VERY different types of crimes.

      I would not want to be near a woman commits armed robberies.
      (very rare). But I would be OK with somebody who does
      insider trading. But, even then, I would be wary of any
      business relationship, that woman is playing hardball.

      Thor

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  75. on January 23, 2012 at 7:25 am Gorbachev

    This is some of the best advice CR has delivered.

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  76. on February 5, 2012 at 7:40 pm Quora

    What is a good way to bring up a criminal record when you are dating?…

    Are you serious? Girls totally dig this shit. About 90% of girls believe that a guy who’s never been in any kind of fight is not a real man, and is not worth their time. The remaining 10% are overrepresented in online dating sites, true, but you shoul…

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