Read this study abstract closely. It’s important in a SCIENCE ♥s GAME kind of way.
Confidence is an essential ingredient of success in a wide range of domains ranging from job performance and mental health to sports, business and combat. Some authors have suggested that not just confidence but overconfidence—believing you are better than you are in reality—is advantageous because it serves to increase ambition, morale, resolve, persistence or the credibility of bluffing, generating a self-fulfilling prophecy in which exaggerated confidence actually increases the probability of success. However, overconfidence also leads to faulty assessments, unrealistic expectations and hazardous decisions, so it remains a puzzle how such a false belief could evolve or remain stable in a population of competing strategies that include accurate, unbiased beliefs. Here we present an evolutionary model showing that, counterintuitively, overconfidence maximizes individual fitness and populations tend to become overconfident, as long as benefits from contested resources are sufficiently large compared with the cost of competition. In contrast, unbiased strategies are only stable under limited conditions. The fact that overconfident populations are evolutionarily stable in a wide range of environments may help to explain why overconfidence remains prevalent today, even if it contributes to hubris, market bubbles, financial collapses, policy failures, disasters and costly wars.
And, might I add, pump and dumps!
What does the above study conclusion remind you of? Anything coming to mind? Oh, yes…
XI. Be irrationally self-confident
No matter what your station in life, stride through the world without apology or excuse. It does not matter if objectively you are not the best man a woman can get; what matters is that you think and act like you are. Women have a dog’s instinct for uncovering weakness in men; don’t make it easy for them. Self-confidence, warranted or not, triggers submissive emotional responses in women. Irrational self-confidence will get you more pussy than rational defeatism.
Poon Commandment Eleven. The good hosts at Chateau Heartiste were ahead of the curve yet again. Is there no game concept science won’t eventually come around to confirming? Excuse me while I give myself over to deep, utter, profound self-love. Mhhmm… *smack* *kiss*… mmhhhmmmhmmm… oh yeah big guy….
Confidence… no, OVERconfidence, the belief that you are better than you actually are… is the heart and soul of game. This is where the rubber meets the hoes. Without a glowing inner satisfaction born of overconfidence, all the game tactics in the world will fall flat. Riddled with self-doubt and trepidation is no way to execute a flawless neg or disqualification. Perhaps this explains why so many unconfident betas struggle during the learning curve phase of game, and turn their backs on it entirely when instant success isn’t forthcoming — their game is betrayed by their second class mentality.
Overconfidence is the fulcrum upon which rests every other facet of game. Overconfidence is the origin source of outcome independence. Overconfidence is Skittles Man. Overconfidence is the skeleton key that opens women’s… hearts.
Overconfidence IS alpha. If I had to describe in one word the attitude which most starkly delineates betas from alphas, it would be overconfidence. The alpha, no matter his actual status as measured by the Committee to Uphold Social Norms and Acceptable Hierarchies, confronts the world with faith in his superiority and social elevation. The beta second guesses himself at every turn. And women can SMELL this difference in attitude. They are drawn to it despite themselves, thanks to eons of evolutionary pressures molding their hindbrains.
Now you may argue, in my opinion rightly, that unjustified self-regard by large numbers of people is bad for civilization. That the reflexive doubt, the unbiased proclivity to self-assessment and the humbleness of the beta are the bulk ingredients which give structure to prosperous societies. But this is not the issue before us. The issue we discuss is women, loving women, and inspiring love from women. And by that standard, unjustified male self-regard, so long as the rewards are worth the cost (and in modern society, where women shower the alphas with their pussies during their prime teens and 20s, the rewards are substantial), is the winning mating strategy. You can easily confirm this for yourself by stepping out of the house and observing women in action with your eyes wide open. And now you can read about the reality you see with your eyes in the pages of esteemed scientific journals.
(Interestingly, the study shows that in societies in which the rewards accruing to overconfident people are not greater than the costs, the unbiased, self-doubting beta strategy prevails reproductively — where reproductive fitness thwarted at the goal line is a proxy for attractiveness in a world awash in widely available contraceptives. You could therefore hypothesize that structuring society so that women are not free to ride the cock carousel during their primes would propagate social levers that encourage humility in its men. Conversely, overconfident arrogance among men becomes like a plague in societies where shaming mechanisms to rein in female sexual predilection are dismantled. Again, it all comes back to the female sex drive being the wilder of the two sexes, and thus the more necessary to corral to the benefit of society’s well-being.)
(Naturally, as more overconfident men are sexually selected by women, the daughters of these couplings wind up with the overconfidence genes, which may account for the ridiculous sight of fat chicks and cougars in America with 463-bullet point checklists.)
So what does this mean for you, the reader? There’s good news. Confidence can be learned. It can be internalized, regardless of externally objective measures. And where there’s confidence, overconfidence lurks not far behind. But that is an unnecessary distinction; learned confidence IS THE SAME THING AS overconfidence. By definition, if you are deliberately and pointedly taking on the attitude and mannerisms of a confident man, you are often doing so without external justification, and your confidence could fairly be described as overconfidence. The exception would be if you are an objectively high status beta who lacks the self-awareness or the demeanor to translate his socially-approved status into confident swagger.
In the end, it doesn’t matter, for it is primarily the overconfident attitude that women find attractive, not the baubles which festoon or the credentials which socially legitimize the attitude.
The archives of the Chateau are filled with techniques for raising your confidence levels. Peruse freely. It’s all there, from body language adjustments to dress to posture to voice tone to expressions to adopting an attractive alpha male thinking mode. Even saying positive, ego-stroking thoughts out loud can subconsciously strengthen your confident resolve. Ya know, some might call these tactics… game.
On the subject of nomenclature, overconfidence goes by another name… inner game.
Ultimately, it’s success with women that will bring you to the pinnacle of overconfidence, flush with pussy-parting attitude. The confidence born of repeated beddings of cute chicks is the kind that goes to the bone, and suffuses every sinew. That’s why you’ll notice that the men with the most naturally unshakeable confidence around women are the ones who have been getting their way with women since they can remember, and their jobs or social circles or finances have little to no bearing on the concreteness of their confidence. Their overconfidence becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, building upon itself with each successive seduction.
This insight doesn’t help the noobs, but only if we measure success by the noobs’ standards. “Get me sex now” is the wrong standard, and unfortunately is the standard most heavily marketed to by shysters. Instead, as a newcomer to the game of seduction, you should be rejoicing in every positive interaction you have with women, no matter how trivial. Every hi fuels your confidence until you are prying smiles from girls. Every smile emboldens you until they are touching you. Every touch emboldens you until they are giving you their numbers. Every number emboldens you until they are kissing you. Every kiss emboldens you until you are banging them. Every bang emboldens you until you feel free to love them.
Finally, you are so emboldened that you no longer come to women for reinforcement. They come to you.
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Here’s a related study (via Randall Parker):
The study revealed two key discoveries to why powerful people cheat. First, there is a strong association between power and confidence and that the amount of confidence a person has is the strongest link between power and unfaithfulness. Second, the researchers found that among powerful people gender made no difference in past digressions or the participants’ desires to cheat.
This is a tantalizing clue that, contra Henry Kissinger’s famous aphorism, it is not the power per se that women are sexually drawn to, but the confident demeanor that powerful men exhibit. As explained in the “Defining the Alpha Male” post, the best judge of a man’s alphaness is the quality, number and attraction intensity of the women who would sleep with him were he so inclined to take up the offers. Tautological, maybe. But tautologies are often the inevitable distillations of great truths. There are some objectively powerful men, who for one reason or another, do not exude the unstoppable confidence that is the usual offshoot of their stations. A strict definition of alphaness relying on power alone is therefore incomplete. It must be accompanied by a confident attitude. And where real power is missing, overconfidence can step in to fill the (vaginal) void.
Randall notes:
The researcher is (or at least pretends to be) a foolish blank slater who thinks gender differences are going to disappear. But he (she?) still makes the useful observation that power begets confidence which begets the bedding of others. Okay, so if one can find other ways to feel confident more beddings will take place…
I’m not surprised that the small pool of powerful women studied by the researchers cheat almost as much as the powerful men. Women who have the gumption and killer instinct to reach the top of corporate hierarchies are masculinized by nature, so they are more like men than their own sex, in both libido and aggressive personality. Check out female VPs sometimes. Narrow hips, tallness, thin lips and wee (unaugmented) tits as far as the eye can see.
I therefore wouldn’t assume much about the cheating likelihood of women in general from a study into the unfaithfulness of very powerful women. For instance, I would suspect that the men in the study cheated with younger, hotter babes, while the women cheated with similarly situated beta schlubs as their husbands. Keep in mind, it is much harder for a man to cheat than a woman, since any sufficiently desperate loser will dump a fuck in a rapidly spoiling woman who makes herself easily available.
To those women who ask, “Well then, does this mean ugly and old women can attract high value men by acting overconfident?”
No. Overconfident fugs are still fugs. Overconfident cougars are still cougars. There is no equality of the sexes in this respect.

I don’t like the term “overconfident.”
As CH says: In the end, it doesn’t matter, for it is primarily the overconfident attitude that women find attractive, not the baubles which festoon or the credentials which socially legitimize the attitude.
You’re only overconfident when you fail and never succeed. If you find success among your failures, you still succeeded, which means you weren’t confident enough because you still could’ve failed more but succeeded to higher levels.
How about replacing “more confident than others in your market” as a term? “Superconfident”?
I don’t consider myself overconfident. I take calculated risks often, but I receive verifiable rewards for doing so, and my failures just push me harder to succeed, knowing it wasn’t my lack of confidence that caused the failure, but lack of drive or direction to complete the task.
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It’s more complicated than just “confidence” though. I mean, yes, that’s a good high-level descriptor which our instincts are good at latching onto, giving a general idea of how to act. But it’s truly social, cooperative behavior that really separates humans from every other species, and this doesn’t arise purely by being overconfident and socially dominant.
Animals dominate. Humans do too, but more interestingly, humans cooperate. And furthermore, they can only be dominant with a fair number of cooperative relationships to back them up.
The problem is that for the average social retard who’s drawn to game as a solution to his problems, he may learn to look alpha, but without those deeper social skills it’s just a slightly creepy facade of human behavior. Meanwhile true alpha males rarely act all that alpha, at least until you get on their bad side.
Nobody has been very alpha without a large number of cooperative relationships to back them up, and these relationships require a complex dance of game theory to keep everyone happy. This requires a large amount of social processing to keep up, and as such, very few highly intelligent people do this right, given that most of their social processing has been given over to general purpose cognition. Game teaches us how to do the simpler social dominance stuff, but not how to do the social cooperation stuff.
EO Wilson’s new books should have some interesting stuff on the game theory and evolutionary biology of true (rather than selfish and/or kin-based) cooperation, so hopefully I can be a bit more clear once I’ve read that.
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Brilliant response to this article and onwers of this site and A.B. Dada!!!!!!!
Everyone should read this slowly and carefully many times over. I’m not saying irrational self confidence or self over-confidence won’t help tremendously because it will. However, you will need tremendous amounts of co-operation from others. It’s the ability to get others to do your bidding which is extremely important.
Read and take Machiavelli’s words to heart. As Machiavelli said one must be respected in his book, “The Prince”. However, it is best to be respected and loved. It is second best to feared and respected. It is worst to be despised. the problem is that if you are respected and feared, you are also probably secretly hated. If you are respected and feared and probably hated, then you are one step closer to being despised than if you were respected and loved.
Another thing to keep in mind is that men are on average more irreverant of the powerful than women. Men are also more likely to see through the facade of those who are respected and loved as well as those who are respected and feared. Remember a higher percentage of women voted for Adolph Hitler than men as an illustrative example of what I mean. Perhaps this is why CH was dead serious when he stated that giving women the vote was the most stupid thing American civilization could have done.
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That’s why part of being a top male in any circle involves understanding the human brain shortcomings that allow an individual to seemingly offer “social proof” to others while actually allowing the individual granting that proof the higher status.
If people ask me why a certain business or project was successful, I always give the credit to my staff or even contractors on the job. While it may seem that I am lifting them above me, subconsciously it creates the idea that I am the one who is able to judge the works of others, therefore putting me at the higher status.
Building those groups of individuals who respect and even love you is a commitment, and it can’t be a false one. I truly do love my close friends and staff, and I want them to succeed as far as they can go. Since I feel (overconfidence?) that I am still a stronger earner than them, I absolutely believe that by pushing them up the ladder above me, eventually they’ll be the ones pulling me up to their level and beyond.
Not familiar with EO Wilson, but Wikipedia is back so I’ll dig in.
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If you use wealth as a proxy, most self-made millionaires are entrepreneurs and investment bankers. In both cases you have to have an almost irrational belief in your ability to create wealth.
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No, actually most self-made millionaires have opened laundries. I’m not joking. I believe it’s 1 in 5 millionaires. It’s a classic immigrant path to success. Google it.
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“Be irrationally self-confident.”
Modernity over-emphasizes rationality anyway.
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That’s some
pretty deep
stuff
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Not really.
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You’re right.
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Hitler was “irrationally self-confident”…
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…but in some fields it is perfectly rational to take risks.
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I dunno. I kind of like the benefits of the Enlightenment.
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“The archives of the Chateau are filled with techniques for raising your confidence levels. Peruse freely.”
Hey heartiste, can you put the monthly archive links up? I remember seeing them before but there not there anymore. Thanks.
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Seconded.
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Yes please do. The monthly archives are key. Especially for new people.
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I need to get off my ass and make a local copy of the website, just in case.. the day the old site went down I almost had a heart attack.
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THEN HE GAVE U A HEARTISTE ATTACK!! lzozozozozoz
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Not to mention…
“Are You Raising a Douchebag?” by David Hochman, Details,
http://www.details.com/sex-relationships/marriage-and-kids/200711/are-you-raising-a-douchebag
“Your indulgent parenting is raising a generation of entitled hipster brats. … “
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I notice how this is completely focused on males (how unusual) and I know it’s from Details, so spare me. Nevertheless, they should do an article just like this entitled “Are You Raising an Entitled Princess?” – this seems a bigger problem to me in reality.
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Women already have Eat, Pray, Love to encourage them… but you’re absolutely right.
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I prefer “hyperconfident”. I might be dead wrong, but I’m not unsure. And when I am wrong, I own it, learn it, and don’t repeat it . . . and that makes me more confident.
I do consider myself hyperconfident. Of course, confidence is about the husbanding and projecting of your own ego, and most artistic types excel at ego-projection (even if they have zero talent). I’ll take risks, but not stupid ones, and I always make sure the juice is worth the squeeze. So far, I’ve been right.
But then again, I’m always right. I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.
And that’s hyperconfidence.
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Confidence or over-confidence allows you to rid your head of the clouds of self-doubt that case you to ignore Indicators of Interest.
The other learning I’ve had is that making mistakes or doing things that could otherwise be considered “beta” are not in and of themselves all bad.
In my experience, women respond to me in a kind of bell-curve of alphaness.
If my overall demeanour communicates confidence but I do a beta thing, then as long as you can demonstrate an overall set of confidence these smaller things are over-looked.
One example. I met a girl about 4 months ago who gave me all sorts of IOI’s–laughed at everythign I said, asked when I was coming back when I told her I was going away etc etc. I was with the gf at the time—that may have had somethign to do with it.
She lives in another country so comes in sporadically.
Just the other day I added her on Facebook…which would otherwise be a beta thing.
But she was writing me every two seconds with some IOI, lots of questions to which I was responding with 3 word replies.
If I hadn’t, I would never have had contact with her.
Personally I don’t find that adding girls on FB is totally Beta. It’s how you act overall, the photos you post etc etc.
To ignore social networking is to ignore electricity, it’s part of our lives and we need to adapt to it in a way that demonstrates our own self-confidence.
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“Personally I don’t find that adding girls on FB is totally Beta. It’s how you act overall, the photos you post etc etc.”
Depends. Normally, men add women as FB friends, like how men ask women for their numbers and ask them out on dates. It depends upon the couple though. On one hand, my brother had already been FB friends with his now new wife for a few years before they started dating, and many other relationships are like that, but I do see a lot of cases of relationships starting just after they add each other, suggesting they held off on friending each other until they had been intimate a few times, and that some girls will only friend a guy they’re interested in sexually if they’re in a relationship.
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Sun Tzu say: “Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.”
People’s strategic orientation is generally unconscious, but at the highest level it can be summarized as alpha or beta. Tactical shit like this, while useful, is not in itself that important. My most alpha friends are always making fun of people who worry about playing games like this.
Attitude trumps tactics every time.
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first guy overthinks it till he smashes it moot. every situation is different.
stop acting needy and everything falls into place.
acting needy: “god, i hope she responds to my email, she’s really hot and god i just like her a lot. i hope i didn’t say anything that would make her not like me. if she turned me down i’d be devastated. ”
acting strong: “mmmmmm, this girl’s interesting. i wonder what i can get her to talk about. i’m totally gonna fuck with her head to get a laugh. i bet i can say the stupidest shit and still get her”
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You forgot to mention the magic pills of overconfidence: alcohol and cocaine.
Any other?
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I second that, I think coke more than alcohol though. The slurring and swaying gives up the ruse too easily. In my experience Ecstacy made me ultra-confident without the teeth grinding and other downsides of coke. Didn’t get that I love everyone, let’s dance feeling as much as focus, energy, single minded sexual intent.
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+1, especially the ecstasy stuff.
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You should bosh more. Have never met anyone who doesn’t get wildly gleeful and the craving to shake their stuff after half a gram of MDMA.
For me, nothing works better than a drink on the hour and am not convinced that drugs can be used effectively for picking up girls. The pitfalls:
Coke – Arrogance (not the good kind), aggression, paranoia, anyone a mile off can tell that you are on, teeth grinding, going on and on about yourself, understanding of/ability to read situations goes out of the window, very intense, quick come-down and erectile dysfunction.
MDMA – Potential profuse sweating, gurning, judgement of character goes out of the window (everyone is fantastique!), lack of control over body-movement, verbal skills go into the bin (talking rather than engaging in conversation), possible disinterest in sex when on and erectile dysfunction.
E certainly wins over coke. It will completely remove approach anxiety and the happiness it fills you with will have any girl you smile at react warmly and with open arms, but between that initial point and up to when you are fumbling for a condom it has a myriad ways of being detrimental.
Very strange to see speed and downers mentioned. Can’t think of anything worse to hinder your success with women, but am curious to read field reports of those who were using.
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MDMA, Benzodiazepine(s), Amphetamine(s), Opiates
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JUNK FOOD.
That’s why fat chicks are overconfident about their prospects with men.
As the science article concluded, overconfidence is rewarded. That’s why fat American chicks get rewarded with MARRIAGE…
[heartiste: …to losers.
keepin’ it real.]
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Running, swimming, weight lifting … any exercise.
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I refuse to give up rationality, even if it costs me the odd fuck. But going through the process described in the post of congratulating yourself on small victories and gradually building one’s confidence with each step?
There’s nothing irrational about that. Becoming better, even if you are not THE best, is something to be proud of, something that warrants increases in confidence.
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I agree with this. I’d much rather have a clear and accurate perception of reality than an unjustifiably inflated ego. That said.. I’m in my 20s, I went to a top 10 university, my IQ is more than 2 standard deviations above the mean and I make a six figure income while working 30 hours per week. On the downside I’m just below average height and am ectomorphic. I honestly believe that I would do the world a favor by reproducing and fostering progeny who could help stave off the coming idiocracy. Consequently any female who’s lucky enough to have sex with me is getting grade A magna cum laude jizz. I find the subcommunications I give off with this attitude are attractive to women.
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The host has stumbled on to something that a lot of people on the far right end of the IQ bell curve need to learn. We chase status, power, some cash through education and high end jobs and then expect women to jump us. Think of the difference of a boss that has to extort (i.e., sexually harass) favors from underlings to a boss that has the help lining up to bed him. Since Don Draper is the only approved exemplar of game, think of his seductions, rare though they were of the help (or even better, how Roger Sterling is actually the apex alpha bedding hendricks and dumping his wife for that hawt french girl, as Lord knows who else he was doing behind the scenes) versus slightly creepy Pete. Be the highest value, project the value…why am I thinking of Al Pacino in devil’s advocate.
Power, money, status alone isn’t enough (and indeed, neither are muscles or a six-pack). dammit.
But maybe the same self improvement that drove one to success or fitness can also drive them to exude the right right stuff too.
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There is a school of thought that states that all the things we learn and do whilst improving ourselves to get better at game and attracting women are things that make us feel more attractive and higher-value.
That many tricks, methods and improvements are scaffolding to help build up a stronger and more confident personality, untill such time that it can stand on its own and the scaffolding is no longer needed. The point where game is internalized into “inner game”.
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Marc Rudov says it best. Men learn at a young age that happiness comes from achievement.
What you DO defines you. Anything that comes easy is easy to replace. Beautiful girl? There will be a new hot 18 year old next year to replace her. Genetics says so.
to the guy above who says a 6-pack doesn’t matter? he doesn’t have a six pack, no fool who has muscles and worked hard for em would discount them in such a manner. when I had a 19 year old track star riding on top of me and feeling my 27 year old abs gushing over em, u bet your ass my muscles mattered.
Become rare and people will like you. simple as that. Achieve wealth. Achieve fitness. Achieve athletic titles. Whatever it is, ACHIEVE IT and women will come and happiness will come.
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“overconfidence also leads to faulty assessments, unrealistic expectations and hazardous decisions, so it remains a puzzle how such a false belief could evolve or remain stable in a population of competing strategies that include accurate, unbiased beliefs.”
This has already largely been settled. For those who are interested, my source here is the always useful Why Everyone (Else) Is A Hypocrite by Kurzban. The short answer: the brain has many modules. Some are designed for decision-making, others for communication.
Decision-making modules contain true beliefs. It is almost never advantageous to make decisions using a false model of the world. Put a low beta into a room with a model and even if he tries hitting on her, his decision-making modules will betray him. He’ll signal nervousness in ways that he probably won’t be aware (face scratching, voice tone, speech patterns, etc).
However, if you ask that same beta how he feels about that same model, there’s every likelihood that he’ll say he’s very confident. His decision-making modules may have a correct, beta view of the world, but this is not to say that his communication modules are the same. And so our hypothetical beta will brag that he’s an alpha male, and what’s worse, he’ll believe it.
Overconfidence occurs because in most situations it is advantageous to tell people that we’re better than we are. It is a consciously held belief, but it is one that can still be sabotaged by our unconscious model of the world.
The opposite to this is that many alpha males hold conscious beliefs that they’re not so popular, while their actions betray a high level of alpha confidence. It is advantageous for them to keep their true social strength hidden, so they consciously communicate weakness, but they unconsciously communicate strength. You’ll rarely catch a true high-alpha bragging.
Remember kids: consciousness exists for communication, unconscious beliefs (betrayed through actions and body language) are our true beliefs.
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Jeez, man, you keep referring to that goddamn book since your day 1 on this blog. I’m gonna help you out:
FOLKS, READ “WHY EVERYONE ELSE IS A HYPOCRITE” BY ROBERT KURZBAN OR THE MONSTERS ARE GONNA COME AT NIGHT AND EAT YOR BABIES!!!!
I think that should do it.
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Haha yeah man. Nah, I like to reference shit that I say, and I get a lot from it.
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thanks im adding the book to my purchase list, it has excellent reviews on amazon.
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problem is, an over-confident beta wouldn’t act nervous if he was insanely overconfident.
example, an over-confident 250lb 5’10 male would act as though he is awesome. He would never have a nervous tone in his voice to begin with, he is over-confident. Only an UNDER-confident male would reveal lack of confidence. it’s almost psychotic confidence what we’re talkin here.
You’re only repeating the argument at hand, which is to have so much confidence that all self-doubt is removed, thereby negating any negative actions coming from self-doubt (nervous ticks, stutters, stammers, ADHD communication, etc,)
The argument here is fake it till you make it.
If you’re 350lbs and 5’10, you’re gonna need balls of gold to pull confidence. You need to be blissfully unaware of your body and so self-absorbed that you think you can pleasure any woman (like a fat woman thinking any man is her target) that you always attack your target.
though, an amazing thing happens for a man when he has confidence. He achieves. A fat man begins to realize he is fat, so he works out. He works out and achieves a much better body than before and becomes more confident. He gets a better job, making more money, further increasing confidence. He bags a girl, increasing confidence he is on the right path.
A woman? she never changes. Fat girl bangs a guy? it’s the usual. She never connects the dots and continues on fat girl path. She feels as though it is just the course of getting older, that she takes on less quality men (or “real men” that fit into her circle of options).
cliffs:
men work hard in the gym and life
disregard what women say
achieve greatness
watch the 25+ women gravel at your feet for attention
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“If you’re 350lbs and 5’10, you’re gonna need balls of gold to pull confidence. ”
Brings to mind Governor Christie of New Jersey, the “gold standard” for confident chubs.
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In summary, overconfidence can get you killed before you make your contribution to the gene pool in most times and places.
Yet, overconfidence can allow you to make a disproportionately large contribution of genetic material to the next generation if the circumstances are right.
Lucky for us, the United States of America in the early 21st century is mostly the former.
It really is a case of horses for courses, isn’t it?
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Correction – the US now mostly the latter, not former.
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I’ve lived in other countries and briefly visited other countries. I’ve been to 13 countries. I’m a U.S. Army veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan. Most other Americans and people of 1st world nations have not done this. There’s a reason why I’ve said this that will be explained in the paragraph below.
I love my fellow Americans, but most of them are clueless critters as to how the real world and not our fantasy world(USA) really works. Most veterans will say this, but it is especially true if they served in the Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan wars. It is less true if they served in the Korean war and even less true if they served in World War 2. No other veterans except the Persian Gulf War Veterans are still alive, and I know few of them as there are few of them and I don’t want to make statements about them as a result unlike the other veterans listed in the previous sentence. Our country, the USA, keeps alive the perpetually viscious, stupid and useless and protects them more than the better people. Other countries would have beaten them and let them live if they were luckiest of all. They would have killed them if they were lucky as at least the morons would have been put out of their misery after being put down like a rabid dog. If they were unlucky, they would have been maimed and mutilated preferably about their face and genitals(probably cut off), paraded around and anally raped with a 12 inch dildo with fine broken glass super-glued to it. It’s either that or something almost or as equally or even worse for punishment. When I say this, I’m dead serious. You may think I’m a raving viscious lunatic. Don’t!!! I’m really a sane, kind and compassionate man most of the time. Most American people really have no idea how the less fortunate and depraved live. Human life is cheaper than you know especially over there. There’s a reason most people keep their heads down over there. Most know that if they don’t grave harm will come to them. Even the truly tough and top dogs are more careful and humble than your average American for saving their own, their family members and other loved ones or comrades life and limb reasons. They know actions have consequences often severe negative consequences unlike your average American. Your enemies will maim mutilate and kill even your family memebers and friends to hurt you so take a guess as to what they will do to you over there. It’s not pretty. They’re meaner, nastier, more clever and more coniving over there too. They will pretend to be the most supplicating beta to your face and before you know it your entire family is dead before your eyes over there.
My point is this. Be overconfident while you can. I fear all of you my fellow Americans will get a severe savage dose of reality soon enough with the direction our country is going which means it’s declining. I don’t want the decline, but there’s nothing I can do to stop it. You won’t be able to be so overconfident without severe negative consequences when this country’s decline has gotten bad enough.
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“Our country, the USA, keeps alive the perpetually viscious… Other countries … would have been maimed and mutilated preferably about their face and genitals(probably cut off)”
Doc Love,
1. Uh, don’t you think that people in other countries who mutilate other people are “vicious” too? If so, we’re not the only ones allowing vicious people to live. Have you been to an American inner city lately?
2. Take your meds.
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At least here in America we don’t shave chimps, chain them to a bed, and use them as prostitutes for the surrounding villages.
What’s really sickening, is not that someone was depraved enough to do that, but that they had so many customers that they kept it going for years, increased their stock of animals, and saw absolutely nothing wrong with doing it.
Ah, the life style without the shackles of christian morality embedded in society holding you back from “living the dream”.
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As a matter of fact, I have been to the American inner city lately. I never said viscious people weren’t able to stay alive in foreign countries. Of course they are. However, they are not nearly as stupid as we see in the inner city. You need to be by far more wise, clever, and coniving outside the West especially the USA was my point. Oh, I love how you put in “Our, country, the USA keeps alive the perpetually viscious,,,” with putting in “Our country, the USA keeps alive the perpetually viscious, stupid and useless and keeps them alive and better protected than the better people.” Were you too busy and tired finger fucking your pussy to type the rest out? If you expect me to admire the way you spun that one, you would be wrong.
Beleive me, too much (stupid)swagger will get you pummelled if not maimed, mutilated or killed in many other countries outside the USA. This would obviously have a disparate impact of getting Blacks and to a lesser extent Latinos killed. However, do not think I’m letting Whites or Asians off the hook. Few countries allow one to be as easily armed and organized into groups for self protection despite the government’s and ruling elites’s attempts to demonize Whites and persecute them Flash mobs(Blacks) would be shot if they tried their shenanigans too often overseas in say Iraq or Afghanistan. Exile or Genocide would probably be attempted agaisnt them for as wrong as that might morally be. People overseas may be sick, gegenerate and stupid on a lot of things, but they don’t act like the Eloi Americans as much as I and my fellow veterans love my fellow Americans. People are more like the morlock overseas outside the West. Believe me people if they understand nothing else outside the West especially the USA understand the predator and prey relationship.
What’s wrong honey? Does your pussy hurt? Is my cock too big and rough? Next time, lube yourself.
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How do you think beta behavior evolved? Given that it’s so disadvantageous in the short term, it clearly needed to offer some kind of long term protection. Such as, I don’t know, protection from being killed or tortured by the local despot.
Keep in mind that beta behavior is largely a byproduct of civilized violence. In paleolithic societies, violence is far more one-on-one, therefore it’s in everybody’s best interests to be alpha. You won’t meet many tribesman who have nerdgasms.
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If you need to boost your confidence, check out Demonic Confidence by Lucas West (a game/PUA audio series that gives the listener daily missions with the ultimate goal of reprogramming your subconsciousness to gain unshakable confidence. It was made by a hypnotherapist).
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Will try this out, I’m a bit skeptical though.
Anyone know any other game podcasts?
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Lol, not paying over $100 for some audiobook.
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If you are interested, you are bound to find it on demonoid or isohunt for download.
My advice, from reading the website, is to avoid it. There’s good game material out there, but the vast, vast majority of it is snake oil presented by internet marketers. Taking an even slight glance at the website suggests that what West is promoting is that.
There’s no magic pill when it comes to developing confidence. Confidence develops within someone parallel to the extent that he is exerting his will. Want to be confident with women? That will come from shagging women, turning down women that are low-value and knowing each week that you have worked towards and pursued your goal of ensnaring women.
A virgin who lives with his mum will not develop confidence and self-assurance by reading self-help, listening to audio-books, hypnosis tapes on confidence or doing affirmations. However, he will develop confidence through exerting his will and pursuing his goals in life.
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on January 18, 2012 at 5:49 pm | Reply Ian
“overconfidence also leads to faulty assessments, unrealistic expectations and hazardous decisions
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Nawh, thats only for nonwhite people.
Wake up White man.
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The whole thing is summed up by a nice Jewish boy named Chaim who grew up to be an elementary school teacher… then went on to knock down countless thousands of women after naming himself Gene Simmons and starting a band called KISS:
“Life is too short to have anything but delusional notions about yourself.”
This philosophy has worked out nicely (save for the recent beta-turn into marriage).
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The layers of socialization built up by landed society has defanged the herd’s ability asses whether a person is worthy of his bravado.
Those at the top excel in taking the credit of others. The system based rational types slave away with blinders on; lacking both the vision, as multi-disciplinary competency, and social capital to influence beyond their elitist circles.
The two technologies which would shatter the hold confidence men have on society, genetic engineering and automated labor, are deliberately languishing in the university system where they deficient in proper funding and direction. The Empire’s Dream Factory (Hollyweird) presents such technologies as the enemy of the common man.
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People who excel at politics will always run society, and he who runs society takes the spoils. New technology won’t change anything.
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Well, to be exact, people who run a political group while relying on a small coalition for their power will take the spoils. Democratically elected leaders relying on a large coalition tend to have a much harder time enriching themselves given that they have so many supporters to pay off. See The Dictators Handbook and Selectorate Theory.
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Like the Captain Schettino of the Costa Concordia… what a douchebag.
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Very accurate post.
The study also gives the answer why civilizations need to collapse and new ones are formed to replace them.
Personally, I believe there’s less genetic change than change in attitudes which allow overconfidence. Traditional societies (as emerged from the dark ages) by default use “shaming mechanisms to rein in female sexual predilection”, so they can control the overconfidence of the men. The men need to have “unbiased beliefs” at tough, uncivilized times, in order to survive and work at improving conditions.
Later, when surplus of time and material things makes this possible, “mechanisms get dismantled”, which engages the men in competition of who is able to get away with having more overconfidence. Betas get stirred up into this and they also want to play the game, they don’t want to obey alphas anymore (since alphas play overconfidence games and don’t command betas for greater benefit of all as originally intended). Eventually the system runs out of men with “unbiased beliefs”, willing to work at improving conditions.
This happened many times, the most known examples are Greek and Roman civilizations. They became progressively more liberated, until the state simply crumbled into dust for lack of anyone who would actually implement things needed to keep it going. Barbarians practically walked into Rome, they didn’t need to fight much, because everyone was busy being overconfident. The people were on their own again, back to a primordial soup of dark ages such as Somalia today, where you can’t be overconfident but must be alpha male to survive.
I don’t want to be negativistic or condemn anyone. I mention this only as a curiosity to complement the post. I also believe there’s not too much point in trying to convince people to change course, because the downward trajectory is unstoppable by any other means than collapse. Better enjoy ourselves while we can.
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I think it’s a little premature to forecast the decline of Western civilization based on the declining mores of sexually-active people. There will likely be some repercussion that will cause society to fall back in line, or else another civilization will overcome us, thereby forcing us to adopt that superior civilization’s moral codex (I welcome my Chinese overlords).
Nonetheless, I find it interesting that certain religious sects within Western society, e.g., the Mormons or Hasidic Jews, utilize shaming techniques in order to reign in the sexual wants of women. Consequently, this causes the women in said sect to marry a man that the family approves of, who is usually a smart beta who’s willing to work hard to shower his new family with love and financial support. The man generally doesn’t have to worry about the woman cuckolding him for fear of being ostracized from everything that she knows. These two sects are surprisingly successful in terms of wealth accumulation, divorce rates, state of happiness, etc.
While I enjoy my time as a single male in his early 30s who is doing alright in the girl department, I would gladly trade in my wanton ways for a more morally-conforming society that will survive long term.
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Yeah I disagree with your analysis of why civilizations collapse on pretty much every level. As it is, we require such a high level of industrialization to extract basic resources nowadays that a collapse in civilization would be a fatal blow, and we would probably never get industrialization restarted.
But yes, industrialized society does allow a much higher proportion of beta males to flourish with low social skills and high general cognition skills. It also creates strong selection pressures for tameness, ie low musculature, gracile skulls, and low aggression (see a book called Before the Dawn and/or The 10,000 Year Explosion). Such highly cooperative economic specialization is vulnerable to brute force attacks, true, but with today’s highly mechanized (and roboticized) militaries this is much less of a concern than in Roman times.
As for women seeking a dominant place in society, that’s simply a natural progression of the fact that they are the only ones in our society with strong social skills. At least, they were prior to the invention of game. It’s an interesting observation, but it hardly spells the end of western civilization.
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I wouldn’t say they are the only ones with strong social skills. The 80’s+ brought along single motherhood, where men no longer had a strong father figure to shape young men into manhood in their early teens. This gave young women the upperhand to the majority of “beta” men (whose mothers taught them to be “nice”, since those same mothers were taken by alpha males).
The failure of “nice guy” routines brought about game in mainstream. Cue <50% marriage rates and general misogyny (no negative connotation assigned).
The system has righted itself.
Of all the girls whom I've graduated college with (whom I stalk through facebook), not a single one has created an exemplary life for herself. I've seen bragging over drinking wine alone in a bathtub, depressing facebook posts, etc. None of that has brought happiness from what i've seen.
from all my interactions wtih women, i truly believe they are programmed to make a man happy. they want to create something in a man. they want to be some part of his success. unfortunately, men have wised up and realized women's game of divorce and shut the door to meaningful relationships beyond guaranteed sex.
The shift is happening now and the era of no consequences has run its course. Why else would a 5'4, 27 year old male be able to bang a high school track star, get drinks bought for him at a bar, and basically get to act like an asshole to women and still get what he wants?
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Coffee house evo psych: Women want to reproduce. That is their purpose, as far as their bodies are concerned. Same with men. Our behaviors are keyed to maximize our genes’ opportunities to reproduce. Female reproductive strategies often overlap with men, but not entirely.
When women live lives that do not exploit the overlap, they thereby reduce their reproductive potentia. As they go on, without offspring or male companions who make them feel that desirable offspring are imminent and safely provided for (note the offspring’s bio father and provider need not be the same person…), women feel stress and discomfort, much as if they were not eating, breathing or other actions necessary to pursue their bodies’ goals to survive and reproduce. They know shit is going wrong, and they exhibit odd behaviors, like a female cat lacking offspring will start to treat balled up socks like baby kittens.
Much of what you see in women aged 25-45 are women reacting to their self-perceived inability to get their reproductive strategy moving along. That strategy? Get the highest status male’s genes they reasonably can get, and then get the best provision for the resulting offspring. Ideally, but not necessarily, the highest status male gene-donor will also be the provider for resulting kids. But if not, well, make do with whatever provider is available.
All the Facebook, Rom Com, whatever are simply ways for women to apply a soporific to the screaming, crawling biological demands to reproduce NOW!
Atop that iceberg of biological need to reproduce, there is small portion of consciousness of our actions jutting from the water. Atop that jutting portion, we put the thinnest veneer of paint, and call it culture. But never pretend the iceberg of biology is really there.
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“But never pretend the iceberg of biology is NOT really there.”
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Will it still work if I underestimate everyone else instead? I need to feed my misanthropy.
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Is it possible though to be attractive to women and also be depressed/sad all the time and feel like you’re omega? That’s me, but I get hit on all the time anyway. I’m told I’m very good looking but I can’t think it balances out the fact that I feel like shit, dress without care, forget to shower, act apathetic or reckless. Nevertheless, I get plenty of offers and had a (very pretty) girl stick with me in a “relationship” for months where she tried to get me to be better, improve, whatever, even though I was also telling her the whole time things like that I’m out of commission and she should find a good boyfriend. So I agree with this blog and of course women love confidence, but know that things aren’t always clear-cut, or maybe my case is just a weird thing, but I feel like shit and I’m apathetic and feel like omega and still get hit on all the time. I can’t use it though I have literally zero desire to have sex in this condition.
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Well, nepal, if you’re able to figure why that’s happening to you, you could write a book and help other omegas. I’m like you, ”depressed/sad all the time and feel like you’re omega”, but hit on very very rarely (though it did happen more often when I was younger, so maybe physical attractiveness has something to do with it – are you handsome?). So I kind of envy your situation.
I think some commenters would attribute your getting hit on by women to women perceiving your apathy as aloofness aka aloof game ( https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/the-fundamentals/ ), which women apparently dig.
You do seem like you’ve got depression or dysthymia, and meds and/or therapy might improve your condition to the point where you do have desire. (Unless of course you wind up taking one of those SSRI’s that ruin the libido.)
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I went through a bad breakup a few years ago and was really bummed out – almost clinically depressed.
I had more women opening me, tempting me, that at any time before or since.
I still don’t have an understanding of why. Maybe it was my lack of chase, maybe it was some weird pheromone, I don’t know. Maybe the care-giving gene at work?
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Confidence is attractive, but confidence is not the ONLY thing that is attractive.
It is helpful in order to be overconfident to deny this reality, but it is also willful ignorance.
I find willful ignorance to be abhorant, especially when it is in regards to maps of reality.
The reality is clear that confidence is one attractive trait among many. It may be that it is a necessary trait, without which other traits hold little or at least less value.
But there is a magical word in the english language, that is of great intellectual power. The word is “and”. Confidence is attractive AND other traits are ALSO attractive.
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Agreed.
Be confident but also be able to back it up.
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I think you confuse “attention” with “attraction”. They are not the same thing. Certain “attraction triggers” are just getting attention, not attraction.
The difference is important. Things that trigger attraction trump things that trigger attention.
A rich guy making it rain gets attention. How much of his self worth he bases on the money and how he handles girls testing him about it (by trying to get him to supplicate and buy them things, listening to him brag about his new car etc) is what gets him attraction. When peacocking, wearing something unusual gets you attention, but how you handle the attention is what gets you attraction.
You’ll disagree and call me abhorrently willfully ignorant of course. And then I’ll just tell you that you’re still looking at the surface level of things, which personally I find to be willfully ignorant. Of course, I actually go out regularly and experience this in action. 🙂
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You still use the “logic” that since confidence is attractive, nothing else can possibly be attractive.
Mental midget. It makes no difference how much you go out or how successful you are in picking up girls. That is not an argument against other traits being attractive ALSO.
Your brain can’t even comprehend the meaning of AND.
[heartiste: women didn’t evolve over the millennia with a taste for dollar bills and nice cars. these things didn’t exist in the EEA. what they *did* evolve is an attraction for the attitude and mannerism of the powerful man. since the currency by which power is communicated changes all the time on large enough time scales, evolution has ensured that the best way for women to determine among men who is powerful and who is not is to be turned on by those male psychological traits that normally accompany a powerful position in life. thus, women are attracted to the confidence of powerful men, and not the credentials, salary or number of underlings that a modern day powerful man would have. overconfidence is simply confidence without the conventional societal metrics to back it up. and as this study shows, women are attracted to the overconfidence ITSELF.]
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[heartiste: women didn’t evolve over the millennia with a taste for dollar bills and nice cars. these things didn’t exist in the EEA. what they *did* evolve is an attraction for the attitude and mannerism of the powerful man. since the currency by which power is communicated changes all the time on large enough time scales, evolution has ensured that the best way for women to determine among men who is powerful and who is not is to be turned on by those male psychological traits that normally accompany a powerful position in life. thus, women are attracted to the confidence of powerful men, and not the credentials, salary or number of underlings that a modern day powerful man would have. overconfidence is simply confidence without the conventional societal metrics to back it up. and as this study shows, women are attracted to the overconfidence ITSELF.]
No one is denying that women are attracted to confidence itself.
It may be that it is a necessary trait, without which other traits hold little or at least less value.
But there is a magical word in the English language, that is of great intellectual power. The word is “and”. Confidence is attractive AND other traits are ALSO attractive.
There are scientific studies that show that other traits are in and of themselves attractive to women. Other traits that don’t reduce down to confidence. OTHER traits.
It’s really not mind-bendingly complicated. Height, symmetry, youth, masculine features, smell, are just a handful
And pri mates trade bananas for pussy, so don’t tell me that money is some new invention.
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You can keep repeating it all you want but it won’t be any less bullshit than it was the first time you said it.
If you attribute value to money, and obtain a lot of money, then demonstrate confidence from that, it may seem like the money is the cause of attraction you get but it’s not, it’s the confidence the money gives you. Someone who doesn’t put value on money won’t get the same confidence boost from it.
And that’s fine, as long as you have money, you’ll be confident and get laid. But your confidence is a very thin shell that can be easily shattered as soon as you no longer posses money or are in an environment where no one cares about your money or you’re around people who have more money than you (even if THEY don’t attach their self-worth to it the way you do).
The ultimate goal of the PUA is to base your confidence on your internal attributes instead of external. So that you’re as confident when you’re poor as you are when you’re rich. So that you’ll approach a 10 when you’re in sweats and haven’t showered and still attract her, instead of waiting till you’re wearing your Armani suit and can “allow” yourself to feel confident.
Women don’t orgasm when they walk into a bank.
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You are not even addressing what I say.
And you keep insisting that if confidence is attractive that this logically means that nothing else could ever possibly be attractive. For you it’s all 100% percent black and white either or. You can’t even grasp the concept of and.
You insist that there is NOTHING at all other than confidence that is attractive. Not looks, not height, not smell, not intelligence, not athletic ability, not an athletic build, and not demonstrable power over ones environment.
Your only argument to this has always been something that we both already agree on – that confidence is attractive.
That is not an argument to other things being also attractive.
There are many scientific studies that adequately address the measurable empirical reality of the existence of many factors other than confidence that raise the sexual availability, receptivity, buying temperature, and sexual arousal of women. I understand that you consider it an “argument” to notice that banks don’t make women orgasm.
You reason like a 3 year old.
And you are trying to defend an indefensible and a retarded, stupid, mule headed idiotic position.
Confidence is not the ONLY trait that is attractive to women.
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And I understand your argument that “The ultimate goal of the PUA is to base your confidence on your internal attributes instead of external.” and that you believe that noticing the reality that women attribute status to wealth is a belief system that can lower a mans confidence in times of poverty.
But this way of “thinking” is not about truth. It’s about deciding what to believe in order to boost your confidence should you happen to be poor.
You aren’t starting with reality and then adjusting your mental map, you are starting with the goal of having the highest possible confidence, and then deciding what is reality based upon that need. I’ve pointed this out to you from the beginning. You are using a self-hypnotic strategy of denying aspects of reality. Self hypnosis works exactly like this. You can deliberately forget aspects of reality, or block out pain, or otherwise distort reality. Sometimes self hypnosis has effects that are of value.
But don’t mistake self-hypnosis with accuracy. It works exactly because it is NOT accurate.
It is true that distorting your beliefs to deny the real world measurable benefits of money is beneficial to boost confidence. It is true that confidence in and of itself is attractive.
But that is not an argument that money and other traits can not be studied scientifically to see if they are attractive to women. They can be. They have been. And we know the results.
The results have nothing to do with your self-hypnosis attempt.
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And I disagree with your premise that “”The ultimate goal of the PUA is to base your confidence on your internal attributes instead of external.”
That ultimate goal is to be good with women, full stop. To that end many of us work on all possible aspects of whatever can help with that, simultaneously. On any forum where game is discussed these various other methods to increase attraction often come up, again and again.
And for good reason.
Because reality demands addressing reality.
People go to the gym, even though confidence is attractive. People pay attention to style, even though confidence is attractive. People develop an internal mental life, interesting hobbies, social capitol, and financial capitol, all with a mind to raising attraction, even though confidence is attractive.
These people are not having a poverty mentality, chasing after un-neccessary aspects of attraction when all they really need to do is a little self-hypnosis. They are maximizing all areas of attraction.
It is possible to be both confident, AND notice the real world realities of OTHER things other than attraction that women are attracted to.
You don’t need this school boy true-believer fundamentalism.
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“You are not even addressing what I say.”
You say a lot of nonsense. What specifically would you like me to address?
“And you keep insisting that if confidence is attractive that this logically means that nothing else could ever possibly be attractive.”
No, the things that you think are attractive are not attractive. Like I say, they get attention, and they can cause the things that ARE attractive, but they are, in themselves, not attractive and having them is not what attracts women, but having the attractive attributes that they cause you to display is what attracts women.
This is not a difficult concept, once you let go of your attachment to money. If you gave a million dollars to a total beta chode, he would still not be getting laid. If you gave the confidence that having a million dollars has to a total beta chode, he would get laid. The money itself is not attractive to women.
“For you it’s all 100% percent black and white either or.”
That’s because I go out into that “real world” thing outside your computer room, instead of theorize from my computer chair or listen to “scientific studies” by guys who don’t get laid.
“You can’t even grasp the concept of and.”
You are wrong AND dumb. Did I use it right?
“You insist that there is NOTHING at all other than confidence that is attractive.”
Never said that. But most things that are attractive (solid body language, good eye contact, kino, leading, loud vocal projection, etc.) boil down to confidence so it’s a good catch-all. I do insist that the external things most guys tend to think is attractive (money, looks, height, etc.) are not relevant to getting laid however.
To be a beta provider is a totally different story. Money, looks, height, all sorts of stuff becomes relevant there because of the social pressure a girl lets herself succumb to…but it’s still not attractive, thus all the rich good-looking tall beta providers who’s girls are off fucking other guys.
A woman will fuck a lot of guys she won’t date. I’m talking about fucking them. But if you’re talking about how to date a girl and be a provider, then that’s where our disconnect is happening…and why the fuck are you even studying game lol
“Not looks”
Nope.
“not height”
Only for long-term dating, and online dating sites where girls will screen guys out based on their stats. Also really short guys (under 5’8″) have a tougher time of it due to reasons that could be an article in itself (but are social conditioning based, not attraction based), but they can still fuck girls taller than them with solid game. And there are a ton of tall guys who don’t get laid because they have shit game.
“not smell”
lol wtf. You should smell good, just to be socially competant in general. Carry breath mints. Unless you’re talking about pheromones and all that shit which is just scientists-who-don’t-get-laid blabber and is steamrolled over by game.
“not intelligence”
Never seen a dumb guy get laid before, hey? There definately aren’t any Jersey Shore type moron jocks getting pussy out there! Don’t know any engineers or programmers who don’t get laid, hey? You should get out and meet more people.
“not athletic ability”
No, wtf, are you doing push-up competitions to get girls? Girls don’t care, hell, you don’t even need cardio for fucking if you’re good with your tongue lol Carrying a girl out the bar over your shoulder helps in some situations though.
“not an athletic build”
Have you never seen a fat outgoing guy get girls while the athletic shy (rich or not rich) guys are stuck on the sidelines? If not, go out more, it’s very common. The deciding factor is the outgoingness (ie – confidence), not the athletic build.
“and not demonstrable power over ones environment.”
That’s attractive. But a manager giving you your meal on the house because he likes you because you’re a confident cool guy is worth more than pulling out a big wad of bills to pay for dinner and tip well.
“There are many scientific studies that adequately address the measurable empirical reality of the existence of many factors other than confidence that raise the sexual availability, receptivity, buying temperature, and sexual arousal of women.”
I’m sorry, I couldn’t hear you over the sound of you taping your glasses together. The “you have to mirror her body language and then release your pheromones” scientists aren’t getting laid the way PUAs and naturals are. That shit is so minor and irrellevant that to focus on it is a waste of your time.
“You reason like a 3 year old.”
I’m sorry, should I dumb it all down more for you?
“And you are trying to defend an indefensible and a retarded, stupid, mule headed idiotic position.”
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“Confidence is not the ONLY trait that is attractive to women.”
True, but most of the traits that are attractive to women can be boiled down to confidence. And the traits that you constantly harp on as being attractive to women are not.
“and that you believe”
These aren’t beliefs, dude. These are field-tested results. PUAs aren’t attached to any one system. We didn’t say “I want to wear a fuzzy hat so I’m going to pretend that gets attention and wear it!” We figured out “doing A gets result B” so we use it. If A got result C instead, we’d switch to something else. The fact that you think these are “beliefs” is what tells me you don’t go out and are simply assuming everyone is theorizing like you. You are a keyboard jockey arguing a theory, so you assume I’m doing the same.
“that noticing the reality”
No, that’s not the reality. Tens of thousands of PUAs have gone out and shattered your silly beliefs. It’s not our fault you’re behind on the technology and sit at home fucking your import girlfriend and keyboard jockeying bad advice instead of going out and field-testing all of this regularly to see it for yourself.
“It’s about deciding what to believe in order to boost your confidence should you happen to be poor.”
Blah blah blah. You don’t know enough poor people who are naturals with women. Go out more, meet more people, shatter your shitty beliefs.
The “reality” is that you’re scared to admit that you don’t actually think you have any inherent self-worth because you’ve attributed it all to external attributes that you’ve worked very hard and dedicated a huge part of your life to obtaining. To admit that none of that shit matters would be to admit that you wasted a fuck-ton of your life chasing pointless crap. You don’t have to be ashamed, we all started out on that route because society told us that’s what was attractive to women. The guy who went to med school just ’cause he thought being a doctor would help him land the perfect wife only to find that he gets the same amount of attraction as any other guy with his confidence level, he doesn’t want to admit that his med degree doesn’t actually mean anything either and that he could’ve gotten as good or better results working at Burger King.
You will keep clinging to these beliefs forever, I only keep replying to you because you spread this crappy information and there are guys reading this comment section for real advice and I don’t want them wasting their time falling into the psychological traps you’ve fallen into.
You are the exact guy who says “Dude, you just need a Ferrari to get pussy!! TRUST ME!!! That’s the reality!!” except you’ve fancied that up with phrases like “attraction triggers” because you are trying to feign expertise.
“It is true that distorting your beliefs to deny the real world measurable benefits of money is beneficial to boost confidence.”
It’s not a real world measurable benefit for fucking. Unless you want to be a beta male provider for a girl, and then ya, you can totally find studies that say girls want their beta male providers (that they cheat on with alpha males on the side) to be rich. Obviously. But again, if that’s your goal, to be a beta provider for a girl and date her for 3 months before she fucks you and then marry her because you can’t get any other girls and wonder why she keeps coming home smelling like other men’s cologne, why are you reading this site?
“That ultimate goal [of PUAs] is to be good with women, full stop.”
You are ignorant and still talking about game like it hasn’t evolved since The Game was published and like we still wear fuzzy hats and open girls over the shoulder. Please don’t speak for PUAs when you aren’t one.
“People go to the gym, even though confidence is attractive.”
Being in good shape makes you feel better about yourself. What does feeling better about yourself do? Holy shit, it makes you CONFIDENT. :O :O :O
“People pay attention to style, even though confidence is attractive.”
Dressing well makes you feel better about yourself. What does feeling better about yourself do? HOLY SHIT. CONFIDENCE!!! WTF??!?!? Interestingly, if you feel being stylish is gay and unmanly (I’m currently in a city of metrosexuals who dress and groom excellent, but I know friends who throw on a Budweiser cap and old Levis and work boots and legitimately believe they look more like men than the metros do), dressing in an Armani suit will make you feel unconfident and akward and you will not be attractive compared to when you’re wearing your Budweiser cap.
Why? Because the style is not attractive to women. It’s how it affects your confidence that is attractive. If you haven’t met guys like this and seen this in action, you need to go out and meet more people in more varied environments.
“People develop an internal mental life, interesting hobbies, social capitol, and financial capitol, all with a mind to raising attraction, even though confidence is attractive.”
Intellect, hobbies, money, give you confidence if you believe women are attracted to those things. But the REALITY (since you love that word today) is that those things are not attractive to women. What’s attractive is that you radiate confidence because you attribute value to “things”, and then have those “things” that you feel are valuable.
If you have a lucky penny and fully believe that with it in your pocket women will be attracted to you, you will get attraction. It’s not because the penny is magical or attractive to women, it’s because that penny has value to you and you think it makes you attractive to women (even though that’s delusional, it’s just a penny you’ve attributed value to), so you act more confidently, which is what attracts women. One day you’ll forget your penny at home and feel less confident, and that will result in you not getting women, and you’ll say “SEE, the penny IS attractive!!!”
Do you see why I keep saying you’re just looking at the surface yet? You’re like a guy that refuses to acknowledge that the heating system in a house is what keeps you warm when you’re in a house in the winter. “No the house is just WARM!!” Yes, because there’s a heating system that heats it. “NOOOO!!! The house is WARRRRM!!! Houses are just WARM, that’s the REALITY!! You’re brainwashing yourself by thinking that heat comes from heating systems!!!” Sigh…
“They are maximizing all areas of attraction.”
Then why are there so many rich, tall, good-looking guys with 6-packs and BMWs who can’t get laid to save their lives except by hookers they can pay to pretend they’re attracted? BECAUSE THOSE THINGS DON’T MAKE YOU ATTRACTIVE lol
“You don’t need this school boy true-believer fundamentalism.”
Blah blah blah label me in whatever way makes you feel better about your misguided beliefs. Go out more. 🙂
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“Instead, as a newcomer to the game of seduction, you should be rejoicing in every positive interaction you have with women, no matter how trivial. Every hi fuels your confidence until you are prying smiles from girls.etc.etc.”
I want to throw even more emphasis on this for newcomers. Keep trying, keep working at it, find what works for you, and build on your successes.
I met a twenty year old 8.5, and I could just tell she was a real ball-buster. She gave off that vibe everywhere. But I got past her defenses, and she told me, “You know, I almost never smile. You put a smile on my face.”
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I’m not over-confident. I’m just perceptive and observant. of my overflowing awesomeness. lol
brb not making new years resolutions because I’m already perfect
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before i was over overconfident i would text to girls “Please come over at 7 pm and please bring a favorite movie of your choice.”
now i jsst textxts
bring da movies lzozozozozoz ozlzolzotsa cockaszlozozolzolzlzlozozll
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noted.
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You sir, are my hero
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Overconfidence is “Bring your friend the digital camera.”
Women like social and sentimental men, don’t they?
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I dunno, the way I see it is
George Clooney = confidence, Tom Cruise = over-confidence.
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Cruise=crazy but still hyper-competent when it comes to managing his business.
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Tom Cruise is a veneer of confidence spread over a body of beta subcommunication. It’s creepy because he’s basically lying to you. Nobody likes to be misled.
Alpha behavior + Beta attitude = Creeper
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Have to agree with the science here, as a reforming beta I just one day started imitating the confidence found in Alphas, maybe even a little more exaggeratingly, and boom! Instant respect from people around me. I also got laid a few weeks later.
Overconfidence is KEY to attracting other people, even if you don’t want to follow game or have problems with it, having a large amount of confidence can and will take you further than any amount of any other qualifying traits.
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” Every bang emboldens you until you feel free to love them.
Finally, you are so emboldened that you no longer come to women for reinforcement. They come to you.” – incredibly well said. Once more you prove yourself as someone who has a great way with words in addition to good insight into game and male and female minds. Keep up the good work 🙂
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Sinead O’Connor has been hospitalised for depression.
The Nothing Compares 2 U singer – who claims she tried to kill herself while in Los Angeles earlier this month – has checked into an unnamed Irish hospital where she hopes her recovery will be quick.
[heartiste: i’ve seen this kind of depression in women. the only thing that will make her happy again is a fountain of youth elixir.]
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Poor Sinead. At least she has kids. She doesn’t need a man. Hope she’ll soon realize that.
[heartiste: need’s got nothin’ to do with it. now wantin’ on the other hand…
ps sleeping pills sinead. no one wants to clean up a mess.]
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Not sure if I understand what you’re saying. Maybe need is not an appropriate word, yes. I want to say that she can live happily without having a boyfriends/husband in her life. You CAN get used to this wanting and than it’s everything okay. Even nuns and monks can live a fulfilling, happy life. About those sleeping pills I don’t understand what you wanted to say.
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Sorry, before writing this above comment I didn’t read anything about what exactly has happened to her. I see that she has a bipolar so maybe it’s not all because of her inability to find a man to love.
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As if women did not have enough problems, it seems that romance novels and a scratched up copy of “Under a Tuscan Sun” is more analogous to a cold shower that wears off faster than the more effective methadone of a porn after glow. The rattle noise of a bottle of Viagra in this symphony of technology has been kinder to men.
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Don’t know about overconfidence. But first time confidence surely feels good. I’ve a pure believer in the the application of the theories expressed in this blog. Its given me the ability to explore areas of male-female interaction that I’ve blind to up until recently. I’ve posted one comment before about working at cultivating a general uncaring about how women perceive me. It’s taken a long time to unplug but it has shown positive results. I’m currently dating a girl who before would have been completely out of my league. While doing so I’ve also been seeing another girl on the side. Very different from any previous experience. For the 1st time I find myself trying to juggle two at the same time. Not sure how it will end but I know that it will be worth the experience. What I’ve learn however is that no amount of white-knighting, SWPLing, or other beta behaviors will ever be part of my future makeup. Here’s to living the life after swallowing the Red Pill!
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You said in an earlier post:
# Asking a lot of questions.
# Dutifully answering her questions.
Are beta traits. But what is the corresponding alpha behavior? Talking a lot?
Another PUA’s definition of an alpha includes:
• He’ll ask questions of his cohorts, as if every meeting was a reenactment of the Spanish Inquisition. Most conversations will be one-sided, with his mind being the inquiring one. He’ll disclose very little about himself.
• In the words of Jerry Seinfeld, he might be a close talker. This is a show of territorial rights. He’s taking his piece of the floor out of someone else’s…just because he can.
So which is optimal? Pulling an inquisition or blathering?
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Alpha is not a set of tactics, it’s an attitude. It’s strategy. Yes, the tactics help you to shift your unconscious mind into alpha-mode, but they are not in what alpha is. In fact, tactics are by definition *beta*, because no alpha male implicitly gives others so much value by worrying how they’ll judge him.
Converse however you want, just don’t let yourself be intimidated. The key is to become aware of how you are signaling beta status to others, and then stop doing that. As a rule of thumb, if you aren’t feeling alpha, you’re not acting alpha. However your brain is evolved to lie to you, and it will hide your betaness from your conscious perception.
As a wise man once said, in any group there is at least one loser. If you’re not sure who that person is, it’s probably you.
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More pseudoscientific GIGO.
Overconfidence is great in the run-up. Then you have to produce. If your mouth is writing checks that you can’t cash, you are worse than a fraud: you are a self-deluding fraud.
Yes, falsely derived confidence is good to get over the beta shmoe hump, but yours is not a fully realized philosophy. If you don’t eventually back up your boasts with demonstrable virtues, you are in a worse position than the beta who kept his mouth shut: you have drawn attention to your proven inadequacies.
No rising beta wants to hear this (and this website is stuck permanently in the rising beta mode, a kind of perpetual Alpha for Dummies ethos), but humility is the gold standard. Contextual arrogance, sure; if you are tops in any field, an olympic medalist, owner of the market-dominant company, or three-time Academy Award winner, then statements of your own excellence have the possibility of merely reported truth. But even then, life’s winners are invariably modest in their own assessment, preferring accomplishment (and the praise of admirers) to speak for itself, rather than the insecure attention-grabbing of ghettofabulous touchdown dancing. “Act like you’ve been there before, son.”
Compare Reggie Miller’s reaction to Coach Bird’s at 1:39.
Humility has the advantage of being, you know, true. Because no matter how good you are, you’re not omnicompetent. The alpha balance is between under- and over-confidence in light of this clear-eyed fact of his own relative insignificance, always in some visible way connected to this truth. Which is why the alphas you know alternate naturally and smoothly between self-deprecation and an almost indifferent reporting of his accomplishments (“It’s not bragging if it’s true”), whereas the wannabes are desperately self-promotional. On this site, commenter A.B. Dada comes closest to capturing the ideal. Put up James Bond against The Situation. It’s easier to teach a shlub how to mimic a self-aggrandizing d-bag than it is to find the constantly shifting medium between self-hatred and asinine braggadocio.
You have mistaken stepping-stones for ultimate goals, temporary fixes for “commandments,” and emergency procedures for ideals.
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You use a lot of nice words to completely miss the point. The point of game is to get more pussy, not become a “better man” whatever that means. Being humble will not get you more (or better) pussy – being an arrogant smug asshole (aka showing overconfidence) will.
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No On, first be a better man and the pussy will come. Humility is a subtle reflection of wisdom.
Build your life on a rock, not the shifting sands.
Of course, some males are baboons, some are gorillas.
When you have to choose between pleasure and satisfation, choose satisfaction.
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“The point of game is to get more pussy, not become a “better man” whatever that means.”
No, I think the point of game is to become a better man and then find a girlfriend.
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i agree. while there’s no doubt that confidence is a key to being successful, and while you can BS your way around for awhile, the goal should always be to fake it until you make it, rather than faking it for its (ego) own sake. the latter is aka hubris, and its so common and explains much of mediocrity.
the problem with overconfidence, is that many people will assume their superiority (in spite of easily accessible evidence to the contrary), and rest assured with it. rather than having a humility which encourages them to strive for self improvement. see 4 EG the mainstream music industry post napster, pre itunes.
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You neglect the notion that confidence is not fake if it is confidence in ones ability to charm, and if one has a successful track record of charming.
You don’t need to have any “thing” to back up such confidence. It’s just a skill set you carry around with you at all times..
Which is why both you, King, and Yareally, and on polar opposite ends of the same wrong.
There are many different things women find attractive. Confidence is one real thing among many real things. You deny that confidence is a real thing, with value in and of itself, and Yareally denies that any other thing even exists – he says only confidence is or can be attractive, and that anything that is attractive reduces down in it’s essence to confidence.
Both of you are purists who deny a multi-variable reality.
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The dating market comes also for Cameron Diaz.
http://www.wwtdd.com/2012/01/diddy-yells-at-cameron-diaz-and-she-likes-it/
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If fat chicks can fake overconfidence, then it shouldn’t be that hard to do if you’re a guy.
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lol, fat-chick-game. Think like a fat chick. I wonder it it’d be worth a try….
Problem is, in Western society the fat chicks aren’t necessarily faking it. Their overconfidence is often real. Ugh.
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They are confident you can’t get past them and probably on a sugar high.
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What is your opinion on Assanova’s claim that Game isn’t that important?
http://www.realmademen.com/2012/01/is-game-really-that-important.html
The general theme of his blog is that Game is overhyped nonsense that does NOT work for the overwhelming majority of men that try it.
[heartiste: the science, and the field experience of tens of thousands of men, says he’s wrong. or at the least, misguided.]
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he might be a natural, so the idea of consciously applying game principles doesn’t improve things much for him.
[heartiste: naturals apply game theory and tactics whether they realize it or not.]
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Overconfidence disperses its assets too easily whilst true confidence retains a certain amount of reserve; ol’ poker-face is the man to watch in my books.
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Julia Roberts meets her 1st alpha male
“Im sort of VIBRATING from head to foot really…”
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ALPHA = GINA TINGLES
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No theory. JUST TINGLES.
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This is good information but not so easy to pu
ll off without feeling like a clown.
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I am a beta who grew up as an only child in a sheltered environment with a hyper-christian single mother, single grandmother and single (lawyercunt) aunts and is cursed with my father’s family history with depression. I am no doubt plagued with under-confidence and knee-jerk self-doubt and altruism. I became aware of it in my mid-late teens and have been caught in a downward spiral of self-loathing and negativity for years. I can’t help but feel like my mother’s baby in a man’s body.
Stumbling upon your blog has been a one of the turning points in my life. I initially met it with both recognition and repulsion. Still, I saw the truth and tried to learn from you as (pardon the sentimentality) the father figure I never had. Though, as insightful as your blog has been, my attempts at execution of your suggestions have always failed. There was just something missing in me, something at the core that I just did not have. The disappointment of not “getting the sex now”, especially in a culture where sex is almost as casual as a handshake (at least according to television), did it in for me. I was still down in the depths of diffidence, haunted by Heinlein’s words: “An animal so poor in spirit that he won’t even fight on his own behalf is already an evolutionary dead end; the best he can do for his breed is to crawl off and die, and not pass on his defective genes.”.
That said, I think this is the single greatest post you have written. You have not only exposed the core of game, but also shown the baby steps I can take to start crawling out of this abyss; to take control of not only my experience with girls, but also my life. I feel now that you have linked all your ideas into this one simple truth, and now I feel empowered to finally start my journey into manhood.
Wish me luck.
On second thought, I won’t need it; I got this.
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