Pop quiz: What’s the one major consumer expense that has been rising at a faster rate than healthcare?
Take a look at this chart:

Academia. What a scam.
In 1971, the Supreme Court ruled in Griggs v. Duke Power Co., in the first and most famous of the disparate impact theory cases, that the use of broad-based aptitude tests in hiring practices was a violation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. Around 1978, college tuition costs began to skyrocket, and haven’t let up since.
Coincidence? I think not.
The answer to busting the hyperinflationary tuition cost curve is to overturn the Griggs ruling. Employers, deprived of the opportunity to directly screen job applicants, have turned to the next available proxy tool of judgment: college degrees. Naturally, this initially caused the value of a college degree to rise, a stampede of mediocrities rushed into the hallowed halls, and then the college degree was gutted of its worth as employers began to realize how many useless grads academia was churning out. In the fallout, the game was ratcheted up a rung, tuition costs blew up because academia now had monopoly power over employer screening (think of academia as an entrenched and enriched middleman), and the master’s degree has become worth what the bachelor’s was in the past. And the bachelor’s degree? Well, say hello to communications and women’s studies majors.
Faculty and university admin, of course, hate the thought of Griggs being overturned, and disparate impact cases in general going the way of the dodo. Who could blame them? They know that “disparate impact” is code for “butters my bread”.

And then we have to endure braindead cant about how “women” are “leaving men behind” because females are getting more and more of these *utterly worthless* “degrees.”
Spectacular idiocy.
Again we have “feminists” dictating the rules of the game.
Bad news.–
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But that’s how they roll– man better have a better degree and pay my bills or he’s not marriagable! Bitches be trifling’ with worthless ass degrees they got after ‘ho-ing around for six years and getting in major debt. Screw them and their crabs.
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Or, rather not… Ugh…
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Well, true that… forgive the language for emphasis. 😉
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It’s not so much the crabs as the fuckholes brimming with warts.
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That’s bad reasoning, the Griggs ruling would not explain the run up in the last decade.
There is another factor. Schools basically charge whatever the average student can pay annually, plus whatever the government subsidizes. The student portion of the fees have not gone up, but the government subsidies have. And these subsidies are not going to Harvard, Cornell, Princeton, etc. They’re going to “accredited” but piece of shit schools, whose diplomas are worthless among the cognoscenti, but nevertheless used by some low-grade employers (e.g. does a cop really need to have taken calculus or a freshman writing seminar to pull you over?).
We should re-direct the subsidies to good schools and cut out the accreditation scam.
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To receive maximum federal funding, schools must also raise tuition a set amount each year. Why does the federal government want higher tuition rates every year? Probably because we’re being *sscocked by the fed.
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Why subsidize any of it? Those schools have literally billions in the kitty already.
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It’s all tied in together. Griggs set the table for college degrees to become worth so much to employers making hiring decisions. It became their only metric for sifting through piles of applications. We’re no longer choosing for IQ or mental ability per se; we’re now choosing for something that indicates IQ or mental ability (loosely) and universities can make money off of it.
Government enters the fray – distorting the market – and creating a bubble where colleges and unis have no natural curb to the prices they charge their customers. They know they can charge X amount and that the government will ratchet up student aid and subsidize enough loans to ensure that they get paid.
So Griggs doesn’t directly cause this, but it immediately distorts the market and everything else falls to shit from there.
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No, the Supreme verdict is a large part of the problem. But so
are subsidies. It is a general rule that if you subsidize a small
segment of buyers, they collect the subsidy. Subsidize a large
segment, and the vendor jacks up his prices, absorbing most
of the subsidy. For some reason that I do not understand, this
absorption goes further than what you would expect under
general and plausible assumptions about price and demand elasticity etc.
Incidentally, there are (at least subjectively) to types of
“worthless” degrees, namely
a) Those whose very subject is worthless, such as
“xxxxx studies”. Try the new Euro hairdo and do
“white studies”.
b) Those that are at least in some sense legitimate subjects
(OK, subjective), but where the market has too many
applicants for the available slots. This includes not only
studies of Italian Art, but even some “hard” subjects like
physics. There are LOTS more grads than available
positions in either case.
In any case, the course of study is at least as important as
the university/college.
Thor
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or how about getting rid of all government-backed student loans altogether? its in the interest of lenders to approve student loans regardless of what their college plans are, because the government will pay them back if the students cant. let private lenders take on all the risk. there will still be student loans in the absence of government subsidies. private lenders will take the risk for loaning to those seeking out degrees in the formal sciences, natural sciences, and professional/applied sciences. but those going for humanities and social sciences would be on their own. it will suck for the professors of cultural studies, ethnic studies, and of course, gender studies, as lenders know these students will never be able to monetize their degrees and pay them back. and with less of them around, the country will be better off for it.
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Another reason is that colleges have no way to control their costs. Higher ed is one (only?) sector of the economy that over the last 40 years has not gotten more efficient. How do you make teaching/research more efficient? Yeah, you can add more seats to a lecture hall, but the low-hanging fruit’s probably been picked. Meanwhile all of the college’s costs continue to rise. So colleges have no choice but to keep raising tuition.
Then again, US higher ed, especially at the top end, is one thing we still do better than anybody on the planet.
If we’re going to reform higher ed, Stanford/Chicago/MIT/Ivies/public Ivies are not the problem. It’s third-tier colleges that charge 75% of top-school tuition. These colleges either need to get cheaper or be forced to offer only degrees in subjects that employers respect.
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BA… all those airheaded Human Resources clods (women) with communications, “studies” and other politcally-correct “degrees” that don’t mean what a good high school education used-to. Remember that when some quota queen in HR who reads your mandatory diversity training right out of the book parades around that she’s now a “college graduate” after shelling out mad bucks to University of Phoenix online for six years like she just through Yale magna cum laude in three years resident.
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Help! I never understood what “communications” as a field of
study means. Seriously, NOT a sarcasm or a joke.
But somehow, I am guessing it not about HDLP protocols
or the ISO stack.
Thor
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Communications is either study of mass communication (media, media production, marketing, journalism, public speaking, debate) or the study of interpersonal communication (negotiation, mediation, relationships, etc.).
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OK
Thanks
Thor
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I.e., Journalism for Jocks (without having to write or know/research your subjects of discussion well) for want of a better term… perfect for females who want a “degree” but not one that’s too hard.
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Forty years ago about a third of the guys and a quarter of the girls went to college. Today, about a third of the guys and 70% of the girls go to college. The result is, sadly, predictable. On the upside, for the guys that DO go the F/M ratio is quite favorable.
disclamer: Southern Man is a university professor in a STEM field.
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Hypergamous ignorant bitches with a college degree (such as it is) and a big sense of entitlement… gentlement get a prenup that includes paternity testing and a cheating penalty if you value whatever you’ve worked-for.
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You can thank the expansion of credit through the easy money of student loans. Which are not possible to get rid of through bankruptcy since the bankruptcy reform of 2005. Given that the student loans outstanding now total higher than consumer credit, it bears a much higher degree of blame than Griggs for the rise in tuition costs. Griggs would not have nearly the effect you claim it does without the rise in credit made available for college tuition.
The problem with student loans is that the full guarantee backing of the government has let the banks and colleges completely off the hook for proper risk assessment of individual loan applications. Consequently the channel has been stuffed so thoroughly, where the heck do you think all the money for the fancy new facilities is coming from?
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This comment wins.
Eastney = schools charging whatever they want because they know students will get loans.
When you give 18 year olds $100k, they are not thinking of what happens when they graduate. This is how you chain your people. Give them, loans, then don’t give them jobs and shackle them to repaying for the rest of their lives. Good ‘ol ‘Merica
Hood old
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Education is pricey yet employers can’t find skilled workers. Democrats want open borders yet skilled workers can’t get citizenship and have to go back to their countries. Mitt Romney has a plan against this disparity, but is not jackass enough for voters.
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Unskilled labor– Mexcio’s number 1 export. Democrats should worry about actually educating people and reining in its price… but they won’t. Romney is too jackass (not enough testosterone) for too many voters.
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Meh. I’m not impressed with your overstuffed hayseed and his beaked mistresses. He’s like a cheap populist knockoff of Bill Clinton. Romney likes to solve problems because of his nerdly nature=less trust issues.
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I graduated from a respected Carnegie one research institution … my bachelor’s degree is as worthless as the piece of paper it’s printed on. If I knew then, what I know now, I would’ve STEM’d it up.
Five and a half years post graduation, a graduate education is in order to fund my single lifestyle, the way I envision, as I enter the Matrix and realize Alphadom.
MBA, here I come.
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lzozolzolzo good luck getting your MBA
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An MBA from a top school will open doors, but I do agree, somewhat: in most cases, they’re worthless. The credential will maximize my earning potential, which’ll, in-turn, assist in maximizing my SMV.
That’s the game plan until the toilet, that is the US, is flushed by a collapsed dollar.
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You’ll study the same stuff at Harvard or at Rutgers. An MBA drills you in portfolio theory (which you need to know about, in private industry), accounting, and some industrial engineering/management science.
Other curriculi are marketing, law, org behavior/management, and economics.
But the real classes will be in portfolio theory/ finance, advanced accounting, and management science/operations/industrial engineering.
You’ll have a fair amount of math, but learning to analyze & measure is pretty key.
Not as much fun as reading Hemingway or Hon
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Not as much fun as reading Hemingway, “Moses,” or Homer, but an MBA, even from a lower ranked school, will teach you a lot & open a lot if doors.
I would recommend quizzing the school’s career center as far as what recruiters will show up when.
Your school should have a number of i-banks & F-500 companies recruiting from it or yeah, you might want to go elsewhere.
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Agree, an MBA from HBS, Wharton, or the like is basically buying entry into the upper class. From anywhere else it’s useless.
Nassim Taleb went to Wharton and had a contest with his friends to see who could spend the least time studying/going to class and still graduate.
Law school is the same racket. Go to HLS or Yale or forget it. When you get there, they’ll actually give you a welcome speech saying that from now on you’re guaranteed to live the good life, and they’ll help you get through no matter how much of a fuck-up you are. Ah, the aristocracy.
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Actually, if you have some OTHER solid degree (anything from
nursing to engineering), an MBA is a good ticket. Not from what
you learn (an engineer can absorb the knowledge, mostly
legalities, terminology and bookkeeping) in a few months, but
the MBA gives him CREDIBILITY. To upper management he is
ONE OF US, not just hired help. I messed up on that one,
tough shit.
Thor
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Wondered when you’d chime in GBFM.
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“MBA, here I come.”
i think you miss the point of this article. the only mbas worth consideration are ones employers pay for. because that’s what an mba is, it teaches you how to be a decent mid-management corporate drone.
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Don’t forget to be an abnoxious A-hole… chicks dig that, long after they shouldn’t. They all lie and think with their crotch today anyway, so don’t worry yourself about it.
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Charles Murray says you should need an average IQ of 115 to be eligible for college.
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True… it would get rid of a lot of entitled idiots with worthless degrees they got in 6 or 7 years with mountain of debt they can’t hope to pay-off. Might make a college education worth something again.
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How does an individual have “an average IQ of 115”?
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You caught me! I don’t know what words mean.
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Openmarket.org reportsssszzz “University administrators are the equivalent of subprime mortgage brokers,” notes Facebook investor (and founder of Paypal) Peter Thiel, “selling you a story that you should go into debt massively, that it’s not a consumption decision, it’s an investment decision. Actually, no, it’s a bad consumption decision. . . Vast amounts of money are spent by American colleges on useless administrators and politically correct indoctrination. For many people, college no longer pays off as an investment.
Forbes.com reprots “For a consummately educated guy, Peter Thiel (paypal founder) is derisive about American colleges and universities. In his view they’ve become too politically correct (he and David Sacks argued as much in their 1997 book, The Diversity Myth), hobbling the hard sciences as well as the humanities. Schools have created a classic bubble, says Thiel: Inflation-adjusted spending on administration per student jumped 61% between 1993 and 2007, while the number of administrators per 100 students rose 39%, reports the Goldwater Institute. Student debt levels fill Thiel with disgust. “It is pretty much the only form of indentured servitude in the U.S.,” he says.
—http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2011/0214/features-peter-thiel-social-media-life-after-facebook_5.html
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http://community.feministing.com/2009/09/why-are-female-executives-publ.html
Why are Female Executives Publishing Tucker Max?
Saw this floating around. good question!
MCCOY MOUNTAIN
ART, FILM, & LITERATURE GUILD OF AMERICA
Ms. Priscilla Painton
Simon & Schuster Editor in Chief
RE: ASSHOLES FINISH FIRST, Secretive Tapings of Anal Sex without The Girl’s Consent, Corporate Douchebaggery, and the Epic Failure of I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell
Despite the fact that teenagers nationwide are going to hear gem pick-up lines like “get away from me or I’m going to carve another fuck hole in your torso”, what truly crowns this film as an epic fail is its apologetic attempt to masquerade gratuity as an Apatovian bromance. –http://www.thelmagazine.com/newyork/we-hope-you-can-still-get-alcohol-poisoning-in-hell/Content?oid=1291260
“Little Italy is fighting back against Tucker Max ‘s controversial ad campaign . Yeah, that poster on the right says, “Blind Girls Never See You Coming.” Va fan culo, indeed.” –http://gothamist.com/2009/09/21/tucker_max.php
Dear Ms. Painton,
I and my colleagues in the ART, FILM & LITERATURE GUILD have a couple questions regarding the direction you are taking Simon and Schuster in. Why are you guys/gals hating on art, literature, culture and America? It was recently brought to our attention that you are intent on publishing Tucker Max’s ASSHOLES FINISH FIRST, and that your company actually gave him a $300,000 advance for his fart art. As the editor in chief of Simon and Schuster, owned the CBS corporation, do you truly believe Assholes Finish First? It is oft said that girls like “bad boys.” Does Tucker’s fart art douchebag wit titillate and excite you? Is that why you are publishing and profiting from it? Did you laugh during Tucker’s recent film flop when what’s-his-name stated that overweight women aren’t real people? Do you smile smugly when your billion-dollar corporation profits from douchebaggery?
http://gawker.com/5363233/tucker-maxs-campaign-of-hate-against-chicagos-transit-system “The ads were poetic ditties of white text on a black background . Like: “Blind girls never see you coming” and “Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding).””
“Over at the Washington, D.C., premiere, Max’s video minion ridicules both Vietnamese and African-American women, the former for being employed as a pedicurist, and the latter for having a name he finds funny.”
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/10/spot-your-local-tucker-max-douchebag/
Do you enjoy profiting from making fun of Asians and overweight women? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board/thread/148314040
http://tuckermaxdoucebag.blogspot.com
http://tuckermaxlies.blogspot.com
Does this make you laugh Ms. Painton? It is not too late to choose the right direction for Simon and Schuster and CBS and walk away from publishing Assholes Finish First . At most it will bring in a few pennies, which will lead everyone to conclude that you and CBS aren’t in it for the money, but just the debauchery and destruction of the culture. As Tucker Max pointed out, the feminist movement empowered women and gave them the right to choose the art they affiliated with and promote. So now, with all the power in your hands, what will you chose on behalf of women all over the world? Please do us proud and choose the right thing.
“The ad campaign for the new flick “I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell” includes slogans like “Deaf Girls Can’t Hear You Coming” and “Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding!).””
–http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/New-Movie-Ads-Take-Offensive-to-the-Max-59695522.html
Why is corporate America, under your direction Ms. Painton, forcing epic “Richard Kelly” fail fart art and film on the common public? Do you also find secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent to be entertaining and titillating art?
http://gawker.com/5363233/tucker-maxs-campaign-of-hate-against-chicagos-transit-system
Let’s talk for a sec about something Tucker glamorizes and pretends is funny in his ‘book’: filming a naked women in his bedroom without her consent. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that while he’s doing this he is coaxing the girl to have anal sex with him, an exploitative act that a guy like him probably especially enjoys.
–http://www.bitchmagazine.org/post/douchebag-decree-marketing-tucker-max
– http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/11/the-rapiest-quotes-from-i-hope-they-serve-beer-in-hell/
“OK, we can try anal sex , but I want it to be special and romantic. …. process: I was going to fuck her in the butt and film it without her consent ,” — http://www.tuckermax.com/archives/entries/date/tucker_tries_buttsex_hilarity_does_not_ensue.phtml
Do you and the CBS Corporation find this entertaining? As you know, sodomy is a sin in the Old Testament as is sex out of wedlock and fornication. What is your motivation in working with those who promote and profit from secretive tapings of anal sex?
Do you find such “literature” and “art” to be representative of Simon and Schuster and CBS?
“In one of his most notorious pieces, he convinces a girl to have anal sex and tapes it without her consent.” — http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/08/tucker_max/
Despite the fact that teenagers nationwide are going to hear gem pick-up lines like “get away from me or I’m going to carve another fuck hole in your torso”, what truly crowns this film as an epic fail is its apologetic attempt to masquerade gratuity as an Apatovian bromance. –http://www.thelmagazine.com/newyork/we-hope-you-can-still-get-alcohol-poisoning-in-hell/Content?oid=1291260
Ms. Painton–do you find that entertaining? Is it good literature? Do you consider demeaning stories about having sex with midgets good literature? Do you consider it good business to make fun of Asians, overweight women, and minorities so as to bolster your bottom line?
What is driving you to publish Assholes Finish First ? What are your motivations? Money? America does not want Tucker Max, as demonstrated this past weekend at the boxoffice. Do you find these signs to be entertaining/a good CBS investment?
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/15/tucker-max-fans-fight-rape-with-racism/
Is Tucker Max’s fan base the group that Simon & Schuster is seeking to serve under your leadership?
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/14/tucker-max-too-sexist-for-ad-space/
It seems that America believes otherwise as Richard Kelly and Tucker Max’s I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell has proven to be a colossal artistic and financial failure.
“Not faring so well, however, was the Tucker Max adaptation I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell, which took in $369,000 from 120 theaters with a well-below-average $3,075 per-screen average.” — http://www.movieweb.com/news/NEdXykfeBDXwhe
So Priscilla, please tell us about your douchetastic love affair with Tucker Max and his fart art. Does it really titillate you as a woman and feminist? Say it isn’t so! Is this good Simon and Schuster/CBS branding? Why did your massive billion-dollar corporation reward Tucker with a $300,000 advance?
“Little Italy is fighting back against Tucker Max ‘s controversial ad campaign . Yeah, that poster on the right says, “Blind Girls Never See You Coming.” Va fan culo, indeed.” –http://gothamist.com/2009/09/21/tucker_max.php
Does CBS and Simon & Schuster approve of registering fake email accounts to promote stories regarding secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent?
” The lack of traditional plugs forced Max to promote his web site and book via the internet. He would create fake e-mail accounts and then bombard entertainment sites and news aggregators with links to his material.” — http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/11/tucker_max_sxsw/
For this, your billion-dollar corporation rewarded Tucker with a $300,000 advance.
“Max may have to concentrate on his agent style business moving forward because he’s running out of material. He’s received a $300,000 advance for a second version of his drunken, sexual exploits – a tome that will contain the stories not ripe enough for the first cut.” — http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/11/tucker_max_sxsw/
Are you proud of Simon & Schuster and your corporation? Funding and encouraging hype, failure, douchebaggery, debauchery, lies, secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent, and making fun of Asians, overweight women, and minorities. Is that what attracts you to Tucker Max, or is it the epic artistic and financial failure of his film?
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_hope_they_serve_beer_in_hell/
“I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell fails in its attempts at raunchy humor, and Tucker Max comes across so unlikable and outrageous that the film’s inevitable story arc feels forced.”
It is not too late to choose the right direction for Simon and Schuster and walk away from publishing Assholes Finish First .
Best,
McCoy Mountain & The ART, FILM & LITERATURE GUILD
–http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board/thread/148314040
Will Priscilla Painton at Simon & Shuster still Publish *beep* Finish First?
the title makes no sense. *beep* might finish first in some silly women’s eyes, but they epic fail in reality, as demonstrated by tucker’s epic fart art film fail, which priscilla painton is pretendning not to notice.
What’s up with women these days?
It seems the more they run things, the more they try to force douchebag fart art on everyone:
Former ‘Time’ Exec. Relieves Venerable Editor Mayhew At Simon & Schuster
http://gawker.com/5002333/former-time-exec-relieves-venerable-editor-mayhew-at-simon–schuster
Anywho, does Priscilla Painton at Simon & Shuster have a personal vendetta against asians, minorities, overweight women, and little people?
Does she think tucker’s ads are cute and humorous?
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/New-Movie-Ads-Take-Offensive-to-the-Max-59695522.html
Does she get off on this?
“The ad campaign for the new flick “I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell” includes slogans like “Deaf Girls Can’t Hear You Coming” and “Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding!).”
Is that supposed to be funny?” –http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/New-Movie-Ads-Take-Offensive-to-the-Max-59695522.html
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/10/spot-your-local-tucker-max-douchebag/
Is this the new face and culture of simon and schuster?
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/15/tucker-max-fans-fight-rape-with-racism/
Does Priscilla Painton at Simon and Schuster giggle at secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent and also this:
http://www.penguinblogs.ca/davidson/archives/00000079.html
http://tuckermaxlies.blogspot.com/2008/08/sillylittlefreak.html
http://www.tuckermax.com/archives/entries/date/the_absinthe_donuts_story.phtml
“11:17: The girl starts saying something about what a horrible person I am. I stare at her, but I am not listening. I am preparing myself. I am B-Rabbit. This is the final battle rap. I will win the hostile crowd:
[I interrupt the fat girl] “Ward, I think you’re being a little hard on the Beaver, [as I point to each in turn] so is Eddie Haskell, Wally, and Miss Cleaver.”
[To the fat guy with greasy hair in the camo vest] “Look out everyone! It’s the Pillsbury Commando! Hey Chunk, when was the last time you washed your hair? Does it give you more hit points to have that grease helmet? I hate to break the news, but +5 defense only counts in Dungeons and Dragons.”
[To the ugly Asian girl] “Why you no rike me? You want me frip over? You no piss me off! ME FIND YOU IN POCKING ROT!! YOU NO TAKE MING ARIVE!!”
[To the small frail dork–I notice he has a lazy eye] “Dude–Look at me when I’m talking to you–BOTH EYES AT ONCE. Are you really this ugly or are you just playing? EVERYONE, BE CAREFUL, THIS GUY LURKS UNDER THE STAIRS AND TRIES TO LICK YOUR SHOES WHEN YOU PASS BY!”
[To the original fatty, pause for effect] “Why do you do this to yourself? WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO YOURSELF? Look, I’m gonna give you some advice-leave the party, take the geek squad with you, go to Denny’s, order about 10 Grand Slam Breakfasts, and eat your pain away. Won’t be the first time will it?”
11:19: I am finished. The kitchen is quiet, except for Eddie and Rich laughing. The four freaks are completely speechless. Everyone is staring at me. I blurt out, “WHAT? I’m pretty sure it’s what Jesus would’ve done.” Eddie and Rich promptly remove me from the kitchen.”
Is Priscilla Painton publishing tucker’s next book for the love of literature, art, or money?
‘Cause it seems that those who work with tucker generally hate and lose literature, art, and money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_Painton
http://www.theladyfinger.com/2009/09/tucker-max-brings-his-misogyny-to-big.html
“What ensues, according the film’s trailer, is alcohol-fueled misogynistic mayhem. Max has sex with several women, including, to his smug satisfaction, a dwarf.”
See? That is the clever banker ruse.
Have women such as Priscilla fund and promote it, while others protest it, enriching the bankers as marriage is destroyed and the state is grown.
http://www.stephenbaskerville.net/
“A Site about the Divorce Regime, Family Court Corruption,
and Government’s War on Fathers”
“The divorce regime is the most totalitarian institution ever to arise in the United States. Its operatives in the family courts and the social service agencies recognize no private sphere of life. “The power of family court judges is almost unlimited,” according to Judge Robert Page of the New Jersey family court. “Social workers are perceived to have nearly unlimited power,” a San Diego Grand Jury concludes. “Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Total immunity [enjoyed by social workers] is absolute power.”
The divorce regime is responsible for much more than “ugly divorces,” “nasty custody battles,” and other clichés. It is the most serious perpetrator of human and constitutional rights violations in America today. Because it strikes the most basic institution of any civilization – the family – the divorce regime is a threat not only to social order but to civil freedom. It is also almost completely unopposed. No political party and no politicians question it. No journalists investigate it in any depth. A few attorneys have spoken out, but they are eventually suspended or disbarred. Some academics have written about it, but they soon stop. No human rights or civil liberties groups challenge it, and some positively support it. Very few “pro-family” lobbies question it. This is because the divorce regime operates through money, political power, and fear.” — http://www.stephenbaskerville.net/
–http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board/thread/148314040
Have you seen/read END THE FED by Ron Paul? “Everyone must read this book–Congressmen and college students, Democrats and Republicans–all Americans.”
–Vince Vaughn
When you think about it, Tucker Max was the Fed’s ultimate creation–a soulless, debased douchebag:
“My name is Tucker Max, and I am an *beep*
Think about it–Tucker’s motto @ http://tuckermax.com could be the Fed’s motto:
“I get excessively drunk via inflating the currency at inappropriate times, disregard social norms (funding feminism/debauchery & debasement of the family/currency/culture/tucker max(educated at the Fed’s University of Chicago’s School of Economics (school of freakanomics) and Duke scholarship)), indulge every whim/war, ignore the consequences of my actions/bubbles/bailouts, fund idiots and posers and tucker-max-like CEOs, sleep with more women than is safe or reasonable/luring them with fiat currency & a fiat-funded bus, and just generally act like a raging darko/douchebag/dickhead.”
What do you think of Ron Paul’s new book–End the Fed?
http://www.amazon.com/End-Fed-Ron-Paul/dp/0446549193/
Review for End The Fed
“Rarely has a single book not only challenged, but decisively changed my mind. “
–Arlo Guthrie
“Everyone must read this book–Congressmen and college students, Democrats and Republicans–all Americans.”
–Vince Vaughn
Vince Vaughn is a far, far better actor/director/writer than Tucker Max, so it makes sense that Tucker and his jealous friends at the Fed detest Arlo Guthrie and Vince Vaughan as well as art, film, and literature.
The book has much better reviews and is far-higher ranked than Tucker’s douchey books/film/trailer–Five solid stars!
Why do you donnie darko douchos/cbs haterz hate on art, the Constitution, morality, goodness, sound money, peace, prosperity, love, the family, kindness, and Ron Paul so much?
And like the Fed, tucker privatizes all the profits of his private jet while sharing all the risk with his volunteer employees, who work for free.
“Feminism which espoused “women’s rights” actually has driven femininity underground, torn the sexes asunder, and stripped woman of recognition for being wives and mothers, roles essential to their own fulfillment, to men, and to children and society.” –http://www.savethemales.ca/
– http://www.amazon.com/Save-Males-Matter-Women-Should/dp/1400065798
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GBFM: did you see this puff piece on Thucker Mathx??
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelellsberg/2012/01/18/tucker-max-gives-up-the-game
Forbes magazine should be ashamed for this “journalism.” The guy is trying a 2nd act since the 1st one is kaput.
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“Tucker told me that at around half his 2 million+ books in print have been purchased by women, that half his fans are women, and that half of the people who show up to his book signings and events are women.
I found this hard to believe, given that he’s almost always seen as writing primarily for an audience of young males, and has been criticized severely in the feminist blogscape.”
Another poor schnook still equating what women say (and femcunts at that) with what they do. I don’t know how you get through high school before seeing the yawning gulf between those two.
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Entitlement society such as Affirmative Action drives up the price for those who actually pay their way. This will either end in 20 years when whites reach minority status or will result in whites being given special privileges.
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There’s also a hole cabal of corporate “HR Professionals” who no longer believe in merit, accept all the racism-is-everywhere view pervasive in the culture, and would flip out if they revealed how much more stratified our society would be by race if we were allowed to look at transparent numbers rather than degrees from wherever, which mean different things depending who got them. Also, a lot of time and effort is wasted on degrees in communications and business by solid, 115 IQ people that really have no interest or aptitude in studying Shakespeare or the scientific method. They should mostly be working if they wish, and thy should be able to distinguish themselves from dummies with a simple test.
This whole problem has probably most pernicious in federal hiring, though, which is basically a “who you know” mafia concealed by a superficially rigorous and objective hiring process that looks at KSAs, etc. But if you look at the quality of the typical state and federal worker compared to what you find working in management at the average Wendy’s, it’s clear government could benefit even more from restoring the nonspecific civil service exams they abandoned in the Carter administration.
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Yeah, but you forget, Stupid People Power… they tend to vote for whomever gives them the biggest handout and hates tests (Democrats).
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and don’t forget student loans
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which allow young women to ride the carousel with poor guys their own age. When they need to pay off the loans five years hence, the older guys with jobs no longer want them. This is the most insidious aspect, to men, of student loan programs.
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C.J. Richard in The Founders and the Classics: College entrance requirements, which remained remarkably stable for almost two hundred years, mandated a basic knowledge of the classical languages. When John Winthrop’s nephew, George Downing, applied to Harvard in the mid-seventeenth century, he wa required to “understand Tully [Cicero], Viirgil, or any such classical authors, and readily to speak or write true Latin in prose and have skill in making Latin verse and be completely grounded in the Greek language.” When John Adams entered Harvard a century later, in the 1750s, Harvard demanded that he be able “extempore to read, construe, and parse Tully, Virgil, or such like common classical authors, and to write Latin in prose, and to be skilled in making Latin verse, or at least in the rules of the Prosodia, and to read, construe, and parse ordinary Greek, as in the New Testament, Isocrates, or such like, and decline the paradigms of Greek nouns and verbs.” In 1760, when John Jay entered King’ College (now Columbia), he was obliged to give a rational account of the Greek and Latin grammars, read three orations of Cicero and three books of Vrigil’s Aeneid, and translate the fist ten chapters of John into Latin. In 1774, when Alexander Hamilton chose King’s College over the College of New Jersey because Witherspoon refused to allow the impatient West Indain to move through his program at an accelerated pace, the Princteon entrance examination required “the ability to write Latin prose, translate Virgil, Cicero, and the Greek gospels, and a commensurate knowledge of Latin and Greek grammar.” Finally, in 1816, when Hoarace Mann applied for entrance to Brown University, he faced requirements which Downing would have been completely comfortable: the ability “To read accurately, construe, and parse Tully and the Greek Testament and Virgil . . .to write Latin in prose, and [to know] the rules of Prosody.” Colleges were interested in a candidate’s ability to read Latin and Greek and little else. –C.J. Richard, The Founders and the Classics, Greece, Rome, and the American Enlightenment, p. 19 (Today colleges are interested in a candidate’s ability to take on massive debt which can never be escaped from, not even by declaring bankruptcy, and little else, other than said candidate’s ability to quietly surrender to the deconstruction and debauchery of the culture and currency while going lzozzozzozlzlo.)
1887 NYT on Abrahm Lincoln: My friend went down and found the tall, smooth-shaved lawyer, to whose face, he says, no engravings or portraits do justice in its wonderful and expressive power. He was reading Homer’s Iliad, in a translation, of course. Lincoln held the book out at arm’s length after a word or two had passed, when he laughed and said: “I have made up my mind that I have got to read Homer’s Iliad,” and the quaint look which has become historical spread over his face. “You know a man might as well be out of the world as not read Homer’s Iliad.” –The Philadelphia Press, Abraham Lincoln: How He Read the Iliad, and His Fondness for Shakespeare, March 9th, 1887,
Thomas Jefferson: Shakespeare must be singled out by one who wishes to learn the full powers of the English language.
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Dr. Carl J. Richards (in The Founders and The Classics, Greece, Rome, and the American Enlightenment): Through the use of Roman analogies, William Fairfax, Washington’s mentor and surrogate father, impressed upon him “that the greatest of all achievements was, through honorable deeds, to win the applause of one’s countrymen.” . . It was customary for guests at Belvoir, the Fairfax estate, to sign their names in a register, followed by a favorite Latin quotation. . . Although the founders always endorsed classical education on utilitarian grounds, they defined “utility” in the broadest possible manner. In addition to the writing models, knowledge, and ideas which the classics furnished, the founders contended that they were an indispensible training in virtue. John Adams lectured John Quincy: “I wish to hear of your beginning Sallust, who is one of the most polished and perfect of the Roman Historians, every Period of whom, and I had almost said every Syllable and every Letter, is worth Studying. In company with Sallust, Cicero, Tacitus, and Livy, you will learn Wisdom and Virtue. You will see them represented with all the Charms which Language and Imagination can exhibit, and Vice and Folly painted in all their Deformity and Horror. You will ever remember that all the End of study is to make you a good Man and a useful Citizen. . . The connection between the classics and virtue was deeply engrained and implicitly understood. In 1778 Adams wrote regarding Arthur Lee’s sons (including Richard Henry Lee): “Their father had given them all excellent classical educations, and they were all virtuous men.” To Adams, the causal relationship between the first fact and the second was too obvious to require explanation. Such a relationship could be assumed, since the stated purpose of most classical literature, including works of history, had always been to inculcate morality. Since the inculcation of a fixed moral code is not the expressed purpose of most modern literature (perhaps because there is no longer a consenus concerning morality), modern people would be perplexed by the statement, “They all study American history, and they are all virtous people.” But to the founders, the connection between classical training and virtue was clear.” –C. J. Richard, The Founders and the Classics, Greece, Rome, and the American Enlightenment, p. 37
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Full disclosure: I have two bachelors and a master’s degree and I now work as a junior high teacher.
The education paradigm is indeed a racket. It’s all part of an effort to build a progressive society where the elite cognoscenti’s worldview is promoted and embraced. Truth and knowledge are secondary (or even tertiary) concerns. What matters is not what students learn but rather what they believe. I’m not kidding.
I’m 46 years old and only paid off my student loans last summer. Meanwhile, an old high school friend of mine started his own contracting business right out of high school and now owns 3 homes. And I’m supposed to promote higher education to kids???
I’m telling my own teenager to explore the trades instead of going to university. Seriously, who cares if you know the difference between nihilism and existentialism?? This credentialism crap has gone too far, and the sooner men abandon the sinking ship, the better.
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I’m curious, how much debt did you have where it took you that long to pay off? I’m a 20yo accounting major and when I graduate I expect to have 25-30k in debt.
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And now with the Internet, you can learn the difference between nihilism and existentialism without having to pay for college classes.
I learned more about the humanities from bloggers and commenters than I did in college.
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or it’s like what I said about feminism, it’s not an academic field, it’s an incestuous, credentialing racket.
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Yup, spout all the right things your professors want to hear and get the credentials to $$$ and influencial positions. Actually lean something? Oh, that’s “logocentric,” too “white” or, now, “racist” any more. Political correctness and drinking the proverbial Kool Aid is where it’s at today… be sure to use “social justice” and “99%” a lot when you talk.
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Well, I have only one bachelor’s degree and one master’s degree and I work as a high school teacher. I am very pleased when I see students participating in our school’s vocational technical school branch as I get the feeling these students are going to have jobs in the future.
The cost of education relative to the knowledge attained is ridiculous. And I have been wondering for some time whether I will encourage my daughter to go or not. Hell, I can “home college” her in the liberal arts myself. Would the incredible amount of money going to her “eduction”/extended summer camp not be better off buying her a house? Or helping her start her own business? (or a dowry? ;))
The case of your contractor friend’s success may be a small percentage and it would be hard to argue that he wasn’t pretty intelligent in order to pull that off in the first place. I think it comes down to whether you are willing to take that kind of risk or go the safe route. But many jobs the more acedemic students will want are going to require that piece of paper. Will we see smarter people refusing to buy their degrees and have a more intelligent serving class while those who stupidly continue a broken tradition become slaves to their white collar work?
Colleges, for the most part, have simply become aggrandized high schools. University study, at its inception, was simply a place for the learned to gather and discuss. What we call “office hours” was essentially university education. Each person determined their own course of study and was overseen by a mentor.
I know of someone who used this method (let’s call it the Good Will Hunting method) and came away with probably a much better education than any formal curriculum could have provided.
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post script: Of course, the irony here is that only the most educated can see that education has lost its value! The Romantics were right 🙂
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whats up with you guys and all your male students all the sudden. that is some weird stuff
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One of the many misconceptions is to show the average salary of college graduates and compare with non-graduates.
This misses
a) That, even today, the average grad has more smarts and/or tenacity than the average non-grad. Correlation is not causation.
b) Life time earnings, especially if you impute interest.
Thor
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Exactly. Want to make money? Become a plumber, electrician, etc., do something genuinely useful.
Most interesting conversation I ever had on the subject of English Literature was with a guy who came to fix my heater. It was way more interesting than any conversation I had on the subject in college.
Yes, your hands may get dirty, you’ll live.
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Amen, brother. My experience exactly. Especially if you want a real discussion about controversial books or topics.
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I hold a BA, MA and JD degree and work as a practicing lawyer at age41. I also have 85k of law school debt I do not foresee myself paying off. I, too, will encourage my sons to look at the trades. A competent tradesman with good business sense will so much better for himself in less time than a very smart guy with an English degree.
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Thought-provoking post, although growth in sectors that traditionally have required college degrees (as opposed to, say, the industrial jobs in Griggs) probably accounts for a substantial portion of the increase in tuition.
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The problem was that the Supreme court even got involved in these matters at all.
This should be a local State issue. If the State you live in wants to have institutionalized racism i.e. quotas, go for it, if they want to let everyone be racist in a more natural way (come on people be honest), go for that too.
The point is, this is what happens when one group of people (the feds) usurp power that doesn’t belong to them.
Whatever form of racism works better for you, it should be up to the people who live in your State to make that decision.
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The value (the real value, to western society) also plummeted right around that time as classics departments were pitched out – “dead white men,” you know, idiots like Homer, Herodotus, Pythagoras, and and Gibbon were shown the door.
Hello, flagrantly WRONG “thinkers” like Marx, Keynes, Galbraith, and about ten gazillion hairy, angry, fatso feminaziis.
Around this time, too, and shortly thereafter, our public schools became refuges for people who otherwise would have trouble snapping fenders on at Chrysler, but were paid similarly. And in short order, we started having to.import roughly half of our scientists, mathematicians, doctors, financiers, and other quants from India, Russia, China, and Europe.
That we can produce even the level of brainpower we do now is an impressive acheivement, given the leftist crap that infects most of academia.
Harvard’s proudest accomplishment currently, for example, us their female “president.”
She’s not of course a physicist, nor an economist, nor even a physician, but is instead a “historian,” whose work is of course mostly leftist, Marxist, PC crap.
All the same, a STEM degree with an MBA, along with a few computer languages, pretty much guarantees you a six figure income.
Just be smart about it and go to a cheaper “public” college. When you have to fix the badly broken problems lawyergirls, marketing matrons, and HR hoors create at their companies, they’ll have to hide the snottiness their Comp Lit degrees from Brown created. (As if it’s that hard to write a paper on an overrated novel.)
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“That we can produce even the level of brainpower we do now is an impressive acheivement, given the leftist crap that infects most of academia.”
And more generally, the fact that this country hasn’t imploded and been retaken by jungle yet, despite the multitude of enemies eating it from within, just shows what a strong foundation it was built on. If we could go back and fix some of the things that started going wrong around 1913 (income tax, Fed, foreign wars, etc etc etc) we’d probably have colonized Mars by now.
“Hello, flagrantly WRONG “thinkers” like Marx, Keynes, Galbraith, and about ten gazillion hairy, angry, fatso feminaziis.”
When I go to a bookstore and see books espousing the likes of Keynes, I think, Christ, I could burn this place down and make the world less stupid.
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maybe it would help if there were a movement to encourage job applicants to volunteer sat and/or gre scores on their resumes with proof- a copy of the report form from the ets. maybe w/o going to either college or grad school.
cut out the middleman.
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there’s no doubt post-secondary education is a financial hustle, that the greed of college admins is inflating the cost of education well beyond the value that it guarantees.
that said, for most people w potential (for greatness), getting a BA is still a wise investment, as long as its done w foresight and a specific strategy. the real value of post-sec is the value of developing a social network. i enjoy comparing myself with my grade and high school peers, because it is staggering to see the wheat rise from the chaff, and how few people find themselves in the “wheat” category. most of those who are destined for an inferior existence either went without or went to a sub-standard secondary institution, and as a result have limited social networks. getting a BA is obviously not a sufficient condition for success; but if you join the right groups, build the necessary skills, and meet the right people, it will be the best investment you ever make. post-grad, on the other hand, is a crapshoot. it can either work really well or be an utter financial catastrophe.
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try being a BigLaw layer, physician’s assistant, investment banker, plastic surgeon, tax accountant w/o a college degree. a majority of the college degrees are useless, but some are not.
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BigLaw lawyer*
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In a sane society, colleges are institutes of higher learning… not farm clubs for nigger ball or coffee klatches for entitled cunts.
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Institutionalized education is pointless; it serves mainly to facilitate the creation of personal networks (future business partners, close friends, spouses, etc.) and maintain ancient notions of class and culture.
From an information standpoint, institutionalized education has probably been useless since the advent of easily accessible libraries. It is even more useless today with the internet. Why listen to some decorated professor’s lecture when you can look up the information you need instantaneously? If the answer is ‘cultivation,’ I’d rather keep my $150,000 and pick up the information on my own.
As Charles Murray has said, though, a huge part of it is the stigma of not attending and graduating. If you don’t go, people will assume you aren’t bright enough, even though you might possess a marvelous intellect.
College is mostly about class; in fact it has always been so. Almost no occupations require years and years of study to reach competence; college has always been about privilege for the leisure class.
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I just love reading these posts. Makes me so happy of my citizenship…
Free primary and high-school in globally top-ranked public schools, government-sponsored BSc. & MSc. in engineering and should I return back home, they would pay for my doctoral studies as well. Hell, they even paid my travels around the world as I did my student exchanges in Europe and Master’s thesis in Asia. And naturally they paid a decent allowance for the 6 years it took me to graduate.
Life’s good.
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If “disparate impact” jurisprudence were applied consistently and in good faith, all of the Civil Rights rulings from 1954-on would have been dismantled.
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What a fantastic racket the U.S. higher education system is. Not only is it the one American institution that hasn’t evolved at all since its inception (elder up front spouting stuff to a mass of students), it also prepares people for work in a 1970s economy. But it’s best magic trick is getting people to believe that in order to get ahead in the world, they have to go to college regardless of the abundant truth to the contrary. And the Marxists professors, who incidentally either don’t know how free markets works or won’t teach it, churn out legions of future Occupiers who bitch about corporate greed while taking pictures of the event on their i-phones and posting them on their Facebook pages. Two creations by individuals who didn’t finish college and built successful enterprises that provide fun stuff for profit and employment for many thousands. What a masterful fucking coup!
So people get loans that cannot be expunged (not even through bankruptcy) and they compete in an ever-decreasing job market for wages that don’t cover basic living expenses plus the cost of loan payments. A trillion dollars (and rising) in college tuition debt. What a deal.
Tell Jobs, Dell, Gates, Kroc, Turner, Zuckerberg, Brin, Culpeper, Ellison, Eastman, and Disney how much they need to go back and complete their degrees. Better question – ask them how much of their higher ed schooling are they using every day to cut deals, build alliances, grow their businesses and make more dough.
I remember telling my former wife (after she decided to go back to school to earn her masters) that I don’t want school to interfere with my education (Twain), and she gave me that Victrola dog look. Now many years later, I’m running 3 small profitable enterprises with no debt and she’s teaching middle school to pay her education bills. People can jam themselves into Priuses and Leafs all they want, but that used, big-assed 2006 Lexus was fucking made for me. I just had to do the right work to earn it.
BTW – if your goal in life is to make money without piling up 4-6 years of college debt (and losing those years, when you could be using those years), read The Education of Millionaires by Ellsberg. It will NEVER be required reading in schools.
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im pretty sure that “used, big-assed 2006 lexus” was “fucking made” for the guy who bought it new. and now that its used, and old-and unless its an isf which im pretty sure wasn’t made in 2006- its not even worth mentioning, let alone bragging about.
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I have far more respect for a man that drives a used car he owns outright than some fool who finances a new car.
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“Victrola dog look.”
So, in this case, it’s: “HER master’s voice.”
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That’s some good sophistry there. Most of the real work that went into creating Facebook and the iPhone was not done personally by Zuckerberg or Jobs. It was done by college graduates.
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Interesting assessment of a decision I had long ago forgotten, if I had ever learned about it at all in LS. Still, tuition is a government funded bubble since everyone is loaned (not given), what, $40K a year for their degree regardless of intelligence, grades, degree, or college.
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In Australia, tertiary education is our third biggest export.
Australia’s education sector earns more than exports of wool, meat and wheat combined.
Australia earns much more providing education to international students than it does from the export of gold – and Australia is the world’s third largest producer.
More than 4 percent of all the people in Australia at any one time are foreign students.
Australian Universities have become overly reliant on mainly Asian students (predominantly Chinese) partly due to the lack of government funding to Universities.
The result of this that Australian Universities have essentially become Supermarkets for cashed up Asians to buy degrees.
You would be suprised how poor the English language skills of many of these students is and the dirty secret of the University sector is that academic standards have dropped as academics are compromised by the fee paying culture.
Essentially it boils down to failing fee paying Asian students is bad marketing.
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Throw in student loans that are easy to get, and federally backed so the lender is no more at risk than they would be if they invested in US Treasuries, yet they get to reap a much higher interest rate on the loan.
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They should have took all the stimulus money and put it into healthcare.
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Damn, Heartiste, damn good analysis here. Never even heard of this case, pretty much sums it up.
Conclusive.
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Most men don’t support women anymore, so I’m not sure where you live. Men just don’t give women money in the USA.
You disagree, samseau?
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Uh…what? It’s probably true, I don’t really know or care.
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When I made my applications for financial sector jobs in UK, we were screened with SHL aptitude tests (mostly verbal, numerical and diagrammatic reasoning). Here are some sample questions: http://www.shldirect.com/practice_tests.html.
Would that be allowed in US?
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Imagine if all white men took a weeks annual leave and went on holdays at the same time. Would civilisation last one week with next to no cops, firefighters, surflifesavers, doctors, etc etc etc .
Perhaps we should do it and give the feminatrix a glimps of their future.
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Well, for most women, food and clothes come from stores, heat magically appears, as does water, and the work of men is mostly invisible, or at least assumed.
Sort of like Santa Claus came for us, when we were kids.
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Need an expert opinion here.
http://www.jdunderground.com/dating/thread.php?threadId=23506
Does being on a blind date with a fatty (in public) raise or lower a guy’s DHV to the other women in the bar who see him?
Guy goes to a trendy bar and meets up with a FAT online date. The other women at the bar seem to now be flirting with him (before the date, while waiting for fatty, he was ignored)
Obviously, being with a fat chick lowers a man’s market value. The hotter women would NOT date a guy who settled for a low value fatty. So, the women were NOT digging you b/c you were with an ugly girl, b/c you were a “gentleman” or something.
OTOH, if you looked like you were miserable, they probably figured it was a blind date gone wrong, which raises your value relative to the fatty.
http://www.jdunderground.com/dating/thread.php?threadId=23506
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What are you proposing? Chatting up and inviting out an unappealing girl to use as a prop for social proof? If so, this is silly armchair game hypothesis.
Being with a girl (whether is is hideous or gorgeous) who is fawning over you can trigger attraction in other women. However, if you are considering this as a strategy you are misguided. Spending the time pursuing, talking to, going on a date with and wasting money on an unappealing woman in the hope of her upping your value within a bar is foolhardy. By any means feel free to make the best of a bad situation if you ever get there and find the woman not to your liking, but as a strategy this is silly.
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“Reform” of education and higher education will be possible only when every college professor and administrator lies bleeding. They will fight to the death to preserve their monopoly and their right to indoctrinate your kids.
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I haven’t commented in awhile but this post made me climb out of my lair. I’m 42 and in my youth obtained a Liberal Arts degree, full of the enthusiasm that only the young will feel. I didn’t know at the time what a scam I was entering into. An undergrad degree is nothing more than an extra-special high school diploma.
I will still recommend higher ed to anyone – but not on loans. If you can somehow come up with the cash – pay up front, and be done with it.
But don’t you ever ever ever take out a loan for this fucking scam.
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Its funny that in jobs where the possibility of death is real and there are genuine physical consequences to actions (rather than not meeting some trivial compliance issue) apprenticeships still prevail.
[heartiste: excellent point.]
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Would going to a school in, for example, the top 25 in the country, give an edge to those people rather than the ones who go to an average college?
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A large part of the value is in the networking.
Thor
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Potentially, if you go with the mindset of networking and it falls within the remit of your career plans. However, while I have little knowledge of the US university system, you’ll want to shore up that list. It being 18th in the United States will not mean anything for career prospects. If the US is anything like the UK system you’ll be able to count the ones that will open doors on one hand.
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Education abuses the very highest quality of men. It’s worse for women, what it does to their value.
Deferred gratification, instead of immediately wanting a job.
Responsible debt, investing in oneself instead of a truck or something.
Honor for women and country, instead of exploitation.
Volunteering, instead of demanding more pay.
Giving up one’s time and life for a great cause, instead of breeding more.
It’s the best people who fail in college, because the social skills to pick up on the scams (and opportunities…) aren’t there, and those who have them choose more fresh hustlin’ instead. And by “fail in college”, I mean graduate with honors from an Ivy and make $40,000 a year after the debt load. That’s typical success now, mediocrity. The 6 figures out of college crowd is doing 80 hours a week…..
This could cause a revolution one day, and the leftists would have a rude awakening. One should never take advantage of decent people who just want to do everything right, and just want the same lifestyle as their parents, who in fact did not work as hard. Betas hold the moral high ground, for what it’s worth; it might be worth a lot more in this century.
This is something the blue collar crowd needs to hear. LOUD. College kids WORK HARD and expect a decent reward for it. People talk about parties and sex out of nostalgia, and forget about how much effort it takes to make it even in an average school. Studying marathons, test preparation, ridiculous required classes, etc. It’s not all fun.
Is it a sign of a healthy country that a mechanic, electrician, computer scientist, and nurse make more than a mechanical engineer, electrical engineer, IT technician, and a doctor?
(account for time value and debt here!!!)
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Not sure what doctors and/or engineers are making less than nurses and mechanics.
Show me a mechanic making $300k a year (which is what several medical specialties are averaging right now). If we’re going to make points, let’s get the facts straight.
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The main reason behind skyrocketing education costs is that schools have become corporate to the core and their only mission is to drive for profit. Even the technically non-profit institutions do it because their officials are busily engaged in peppering their resumes with dollar figures with lots of zeroes in them.
It is really of no concern that there are so many useless degrees being handed out. The people who receive them are subsequently left jobless and in debt so the system essentially works.
However, there are degrees clearly worth pursuing and earning them at respectable learning institutions is a safe bet for future employment. In no particular order these degrees include: finance, accounting, medical, engineering (varies by type but the challenging ones such as chemical are shoe ins), IT (again varies but skilled IT people can always find jobs), physics, math (by itself too generic, but having a good math foundation can translate into easy pickings for any other technical degree), etc.
The education bubble will probably continue for a while longer while the students keep burning through the remainder of their parents savings and saddling themselves with huge debts they won’t be able to pay back for decades, but that’s mostly a problem with the general ignorance of the populace. It can be argued that a college degree has lost some of its former prestige, but it’s simply a matter of shifting expectations. A college diploma from crap school X diploma from good school Y and the smart employers are savvy enough to know the difference.
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“non-profit” is a meaningless term, except that it looks good to the government and donors. The “non-profit” organization (of any kind,
not just educational) still can pay handsomely to the employees,
and administrators, the only restriction being that nobody is officially
paid because he is an owner.
Thor
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Very interesting! I’ve known all these facts before, but i’ve never connected them like this before.
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Academia also serve as a filter for social nets to a large degree and the shift of class identity was moved from earnings to accolades to some degree at least at start. Long term earnings matter more ofcourse. The sad reality is not that the shift occured but that the education inflation occured with degrees and knowledge being degraded of their intention, critical thinking, process oriented thought, and the scientific method.
Route memorization, testing, and bureaucratic writing skills have become the push.
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The soaring price of a college degree has created an empire of administrative jobs in higher education, but the trend cannot continue much longer. Tuition costs are breaking the backs of middle-class families, and student debt has reached an unsustainable level.
That makes this a particularly stupid time to go to grad school, because if you’re banking on a job in academia, you’re betting on a bubble that is ready to burst. Of course, this is just one of a 100 reasons NOT to go to grad school: http://100rsns.blogspot.com/
Griggs made educational credentials far more important than they should be, but the middle-class obsession with college is finally starting to cool off in the face of $200,000 prince tags.
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Charles Murray has some good stuff on this subject, and I’m not generally his biggest fan.
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So, now, we have many thousands of American youth with huge debt and poor educations. They are being asked to compete against immigrants who have no college debt and a more vigorous educational background. And, who expect to work like hell for almost nothing, just the chance to leave their 3rd world hell hole.
No, the future looks choppy. There will be a lot of college educated losers. Well, they were lied to by the very people they were trying to become. But, as is typical of the liberal, he gets his and then pulls up the ladder. Sorry, there is only so much room at the top, and we don’t create wealth here. That is just such an old fashioned concept. Raise taxes instead and throw the mob some bones.
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Given the electability of the current crop of Republican presidential candidates, the golden opportunity to replace Ginsburg after her retirement with a conservative judge that would allow challenging this ruling seems dim,
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Here’s what happens when academic accreditation is revoked:
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2011/08/day-ebt-cards-run-out-glimpse-of-chaos.html
Ever seen the video of that hot dark mess? Ten times worse than Black Hawk Down.
Look, friends. Under Johnson these savage cretins were marched into our midst by the National Guard. They would now have to be driven out by the Army. Affirmative action laws can no longer simply be repealed; this would lead to mass chimp-outs and huge “Occupy”-esque fits of white pandering in leftist strongholds. There is not even the will for that. Social engineering by hostile elites (media, academia, government) have allowed a cancer to metastasize which cannot now be excised without traumatic results, and we find ourselves in the grip of a collective risk aversion that is pushing the majority of whites into de facto second-class citizenship and irreversible racial oblivion. Every white woman you meet at a bar, in line, on the street, will tell you she is “just a mutt” — no other race describes itself this way but whites. There is now no going back. If there were a will to do anything, the situation is so dire that only the most brutal strategy would benefit us as a people. And we have internalized the lie that we are not even a people, that to even identify as White is suspect, sinful, criminal. We are to the point where even observing one’s skin as a sense datum is suspected as “racism”.
Again, repealing laws, while satisfying, would lead straight to tantrums on their side that will so frighten lawmakers that they will quickly reinstate whatever was repealed, and certainly, that they are not challenged, and the one spokesman for the repeal of institutionalized anti-white racism sidelined, indicates that politicians and policy makers sense the danger of that path.
What we need is resegregation — apartheid — NOW.
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A sobering post… well done.
What we need is resegregation — apartheid — NOW.
Think Northwest Republic… maybe not the all-time best solution, but right now it sounds like the only WN game in town.
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Not my people, John. I hear from a friend who met him that Farnham O’Reilly is a decent man, and I don’t find Covington personally objectionable, but it will work, as they acknowledge, only for those with a career or enough money to land a mortgage up there, and ignores everyone else. “Come home” is a cute slogan, but there’s no practicability for the majority nor even more than a handful of solvent Whites.
This presents a dilemma. On one hand I approve of this scheme, for obviously families or those capable of creating & supporting them must come first. On the other — here I am at, a jobless, woman-hating proponent of wahhabi white nationalism of Italian descent, which, you understand, rules me out of the race for genetic perpetuity, thus making wholehearted support for Covington’s snowy bourgeois idyll just impossible.
So good fortune to those who can, but I stand alone among those who can’t.
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Tuition is rising because students are using government money to compete against each other on who can pay the most for college.
Think about it, what are three sectors of the economy that have experienced rapid price increases? Housing, medical care, and education. Now ask yourself what sectors are the government most involved with pumping money in. Yes, housing, medical, and education again. You better believe there’s no coincidence.
The point is when you have government subsidies in an industry it props up inefficiencies, or in the case of the education system, the bloated administrative bureaucracies. Markets bring prices down and quality up. Bring the government in and you’ll fuck it up.
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“the master’s degree has become worth what the bachelor’s was in the past. And the bachelor’s degree? Well, say hello to communications and women’s studies majors.”
In STEM this doesn’t seem to be happening. BA/BS = price of entry (w/ some exceptions), Ph.D. = value-add, MA/MS = sucker! (Some exceptions for those who got a bachelors in a garbage major, and a masters in something practical.)
Since STEM fields (a.) have relevant coursework at the undergrad level and (b.) can still sort-of-test applicants (solve this problem), the lack of degree inflation there, as contrasted against the claimed degree inflation in worthless majors, supports the hypothesis that signaling costs are increasing.
And, whoa hey, the credentialing institutions are run by feminist scum whose mantra is: Male overperformance is a problem to be solved, female overperformance (however arrived at) is something to be celebrated.
I wonder why our culture is in decline.
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College education is over rated. and sold to folks of color as the only way up out of poverty. As a person of color (Latino) who is also a teacher, I am disgusted with the amount of money wasted in the name of education; the pandering attitudes of the educated elite toward the illiterate masses.
The old saw that America was a meritocracy where the cream rose has been replaced w/ the idea that no one should be left behind and therefore no one is allowed to get too far ahead from the mediocre masses. Foolish Liberals thnink Charles Darwin was correct about Nature but they can’t see how evolution applies to Society.
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It is my conclusion after considering the facts that College has its benefit if used properly. The problem is that the ‘degrees’ being offered for programs in ethnic studies, psychology, mythology, communications, history, management, folklore, culture etc are pointless as they add little skill and useless knowledge to society. Mostly females complete these degrees and then bitch about not getting their dream job while looking down on a field technician who installs/fixes her satellite, phone, computer, refridgerator, vehicle and every useful thing that makes a modern society.
College benefits persons who enroll in programs mainly in sciences example computer science, mechanical/electrical/civil engineering, medical science, economics, architecture, technology etc. Only a few arts such as accounting and law becomes useful only because of the system. The sciences drive productivity in a country and mostly men are enrolled in such endeavors.
The universities in China and India hardly waste resources on arts degrees, instead choosing to focus heavily on sciences especially technology.
Another issue is that too many ‘schools’ are for profit offering worthless paper for anyone that can pay and then these persons especially women can’t wait to tell you that they have a degree before you even ask. Conversation then goes like this
Me: Which University did you attend?
Her: Noname Whatever Uni
Me: Never heard of it (suspicious look on face)
Her: Its an internet based school that specializes…
Me: Bitch please!
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fuck student loans / college tuition period mayne! It’s ALL a racket! I watched Real Sports w B.Gumbel and had a story illustrating how College bowl games (cotton, orange, meineke, etc) are NOTHING more than charitable tax donations for the government/college. That’s why the names of these bowl games are numerous and the BCS is wacked! They create a bowl name, get tax credit from the govt (charitable) and then charge for seating, tickets, etc. All the schools do is pay a small fee (charitable fund) back to the govt monthly and they can keep the rest of the funds made thru these events! just like a Goodwill or thrift store– WTF! AND the college player doesnt get paid shit even though the school just made a billion off you in one game..? its ALL a racket!
Fuck college. Learn thru mistakes and Gods lessons..
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To see where this leads, go to Korea. A few good schools turn out students who benefit from the name of the university. The rest produce what society views as dreck: Thanks for coming out, take your piece of paper and like up for McKimcheeburger jobs. Not One Of The 10 Best Schools = No Job At All. Thanks for wasting your time.
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On a completely unrelated note, because there’s no convenient place to post it,
Here’s a link to a truly remarkable little book.
http://therawness.com/anatomy-of-female-power-download-and-discussion-page/#comment-20244
I don’t know who Chinweizu was, but the man was a genius. He crystalized much of the debate over male and female relations in a very apt male-centered viewpoint. This is a manual for dealing with women for men. All men should read it.
As much as women may object to its contents, all such objections can likely be boiled down to “But I don’t want men realizing any of this.”
The section from 118-124 is a startlingly clear summary of the feminist movement.
His language is charmingly African-immigrant with its its archaisms and perhaps too-bold statements, without the silly academic fakery and sophistry of typical feminist prose, but I view this as a charming characteristic rather than a flaw.
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“deprived of the opportunity to directly screen job applicants”
I am not from the US. Are you saying that employers can’t interview perspective employees for a job?
If that’s true then it’s nuts….
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Inteview, yes. A proven non-efficient way to vet a prospective
employee. Most people believe they are good at this,
but statistics prove otherwise. (Partial exception:
interviewers that ask real questions about “how would
you solve…” and suchlike).
But written tests are usually de facto out, because somebody
will sue and claim that the test is racially biased, as soon
as the results come out disproportionate. It is essentially
illegal or at best pointless to raise the possibility that the
disparate results is because different average skill levels
in the test takers, if there is a race pattern.
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Well said.
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Americans should consider moving abroad for your education if you can access the funding up-front rather than via loans.
Even as a full-fee paying foreigner Americans can get a better deal at some world class universities in the UK, Europe, Asia and Australia. And you’ll pull more tail with your “exotic” foreign accent.
I left America when I completed high school. Did my two Bachelor degrees (Engineering and Business) at the University of Melbourne in Australia. Cost me US$40,000 (it’s more expensive now due to rising fees and falling USD). Now I’m about to fly to the UK to start my Masters at Cambridge in the UK, around GBP33k.
Yes, it’s a lot of money, but to do studies in the US at universities of similar standing would have been at least twice as expensive.
How did I pay for this? Some help from the family, a lot of loans, and some merit scholarships. Face it, the US is offering a poorer product at a higher price. If you can stomach leaving home you can save a fortune and fish in some different pools of women.
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Hear, hear.
I went to a prestigious liberal arts college in New England (Middlebury College). Learned a fair amount my first two years, then headed to Germany and matriculated at the Universitaet Mainz. Holy crap did I get my butt kicked, and not just because I had to learn in a different language. But man did I work hard at getting good grades and learned so much more than what I had learned at the $40K p.a. tier-one school in N.E. When I came back to Midd for my senior year I got all A’s without really trying. It was laughable. And my parents paid only $15K total (my college took a huge cut of this) for my year of education abroad.
And also, it was the happiest I’ve ever been. Learning a foreign language, having your American Weltanschauung challenged, trying to lay foreign chicks, traveling, drinking great beer, learning the culture, music, etc. I cringe when a lot of my friends from high school rarely leave my home state, let alone the country.
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erm.. you point to a court decision and then point to rising costs that started happening 7 years later and assume that one caused the other? Interesting.
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You’ve gotta be kidding me: the US isn’t the only country suffering from credentialism. It’s a lot more complicated than one ruling.
As it is, the whole concept of going to lectures is slightly bizarre these days. Stuff like the Khan Academy is definitely the future of education. Like many jobs, it’s only a matter of time before algorithms can do it better than people.
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Very good article. I always had an idea something was driving this artificially and you just explained it. College education is ticket punching that has to be done by law to get the job you want to cover the employers ass.
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Much of the higher learning once done in college:
Can be achieved through private study and book clubs of like minded critical thinkers.
Those who value truth, logic, and wisdom.
Over pc thoughtspeak.
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The reasoning in this post is atrociously poor. The data presented do not support the hypothesis propounded, they merely fail to exclude it. The formatting of the data obscures the information it contains. The time-gap between the Griggs decision and the rise in education cost increases is not explained. It is argued that Griggs should be overruled – rather than the relevant section of Title VII repealed – without arguing why Griggs was wrongly decided as a matter of law. No evidence is presented in support of the claim that the monetary value of a college degree has declined. No evidence is presented in support of the claim that admissions standards have declined, or that the academy has “monopoly” power over employer-screening. This post displays an embarrassing lack of rigor and reflects poorly on this blog. Stick to game.
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“It is argued that Griggs should be overruled – rather than the relevant section of Title VII repealed – without arguing why Griggs was wrongly decided as a matter of law.”
I’ve been through a gagillion years of higher ed and PC media saturation and I’m still waiting for an honest, cogent explanation of why “disparate impact” social justice horseshit overrides, for example, the CONSTITUTION.
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I’ve been through a lot of education too, and I have yet to come across a good explanation of why Americans have such a hard-on for the constitution. It’s a law written by human beings centuries ago, not the word of God. If you can’t improve on the legal scholarship of a bunch of slave-owners with a high school education then you’re doing it wrong.
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Arghhh. I have wanted to blog on this for a long time.
Why the reverence for the constitution?
(I bought a copy at the National Archives for my granddaughter
aged 6, last Friday).
Well, let’s step back. There are some important issues.
One is the reverence for democracy. Most people in the
West profess to believe in democracy. Many believe that
vox populi, vox Dei should rule, and thus that whatever
passions of the time grip 50.1 percent of the population
should immediately be made into policy. However, on closer
inspection (or introspection) it is obvious that few people
REALLY believe that. Hitler came to power by democratic
choice. More recently, the islamofascists win elections
in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya etc. And they proceed to kill
or drive out the non-Moslems. Democracy in action,
and it is RIGHT because a majority wants it that way…
Obviously, few people in the West really believe in the
“rightness” here, regardless of its democratic provenance.
So what is the “fix” for such excesses? Well the only
one that has some clout is, drumroll, a CONSTITUTION
that sets the rules, and specifically prohibits certain
government actions (or in the case of the US, prohibits
ALL government action, at least at the federal level, EXCEPT
certain enumerated items that the government is allowed
to rule on.)
Obviously, one can dislike some of the provisions of
the US (or any other) constitution, but to reject the
underlying idea is dishonest, foolish and dangerous.
If you reject the notion that the government should be
bound by a constitution, then you are signing off on
that the government can do ANYTHING that 50.1% of
the electorate wants. Do you really advocate that???
Thor
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“If you can’t improve on the legal scholarship of a bunch of slave-owners with a high school education then you’re doing it wrong.”
And another lying, resentful anti-white crawls out its shell to slime us.
Ignore, dismiss.
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Outstanding Thor that is the reason for the constitution.
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Are you Fucking kidding me? You sound like a liberal arts major who spent too much time listening to professor limpwrist talk about fantaporn. The constitution was written by men far more intelligent, and with a far better understanding of human nature than you, myself or the majority of people alive today. The reason why the constitution is revered is that it has Fucking worked for the last 200 YEARS. I mean titty Fucking oprah on a chocolate biscuit. It’s the backbone of thia nation, and if we continue to do what progressives and feminists want us to do and treat as nothing more than a document written by dead white guys who owned slaves then you not only ensure the death of America, but of a civilization that tolerated such Fucking idiocy as feminism in the first place.
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Another thing: “a high school education”. Nuts.
From a post introduced by GBFM
“C.J. Richard in The Founders and the Classics: College entrance requirements, which remained remarkably stable for almost two hundred years, mandated a basic knowledge of the classical languages. When John Winthrop’s nephew, George Downing, applied to Harvard in the mid-seventeenth century, he wa required to “understand Tully [Cicero], Viirgil, or any such classical authors, and readily to speak or write true Latin in prose and have skill in making Latin verse and be completely grounded in the Greek language.” When John Adams entered Harvard a century later, in the 1750s, Harvard demanded that he be able “extempore to read, construe, and parse Tully, Virgil, or such like common classical authors, and to write Latin in prose, and to be skilled in making Latin verse, or at least in the rules of the Prosodia, and to read, construe, and parse ordinary Greek, as in the New Testament, Isocrates, or such like, and decline the paradigms of Greek nouns and verbs.” In 1760, when John Jay entered King’ College (now Columbia), he was obliged to give a rational account of the Greek and Latin grammars, read three orations of Cicero and three books of Vrigil’s Aeneid, and translate the fist ten chapters of John into Latin. In 1774, when Alexander Hamilton chose King’s College over the College of New Jersey because Witherspoon refused to allow the impatient West Indain to move through his program at an accelerated pace, the Princteon entrance examination required “the ability to write Latin prose, translate Virgil, Cicero, and the Greek gospels, and a commensurate knowledge of Latin and Greek grammar.” Finally, in 1816, when Hoarace Mann applied for entrance to Brown University, he faced requirements which Downing would have been completely comfortable: the ability “To read accurately, construe, and parse Tully and the Greek Testament and Virgil . . .to write Latin in prose, and [to know] the rules of Prosody.” Colleges were interested in a candidate’s ability to read Latin and Greek and little else. –C.J. Richard, The Founders and the Classics, Greece, Rome, and the American Enlightenment, p. 19 (Today colleges are interested in a candidate’s ability to take on massive debt which can never be escaped from, not even by declaring bankruptcy, and little else, other than said candidate’s ability to quietly surrender to the deconstruction and debauchery of the culture and currency while going lzozzozzozlzlo.)
1887 NYT on Abrahm Lincoln: My friend went down and found the tall, smooth-shaved lawyer, to whose face, he says, no engravings or portraits do justice in its wonderful and expressive power. He was reading Homer’s Iliad, in a translation, of course. Lincoln held the book out at arm’s length after a word or two had passed, when he laughed and said: “I have made up my mind that I have got to read Homer’s Iliad,” and the quaint look which has become historical spread over his face. “You know a man might as well be out of the world as not read Homer’s Iliad.” –The Philadelphia Press, Abraham Lincoln: How He Read the Iliad, and His Fondness for Shakespeare, March 9th, 1887,
Thomas Jefferson: Shakespeare must be singled out by one who wishes to learn the full powers of the English language. “
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so you’ve been through a lot of education, but you can’t understand why the constitution is so important?
you’ve proven the point of this blog post.
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Ian —
It’s time to grow up a little by taking the other red pill: Love of kind, disdain for others.
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Two things.
First, my point was simply that if you disagree with this theory, there’s a much simpler option than overruling Griggs – specifically, changing the law.
Second, what is supposed to be the constitutional problem with Title VII? Note that the Griggs formulation is not that all filters with disparate impacts are illegal, but merely that a filter with a disparate impact must be “reasonably related” to a legitimate employment concern.
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The result is almost the same. OK, on a good day and if you
are prepared for lawsuits, you can test for some very specialized
skill or talent or knowledge.
But it is in effect verboten to test for GENERAL problem-solving
skills (i.e. IQ, more or less).
Thor
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i wonder how US software tech companies would have fared if they actually listened to this ruling. in every interview ive had, the interviewer always asked poignant questions about how i would go about solving certain problems. how exactly would tech companies be able to differentiate between qualified and unqualified employees if they couldnt ask us about algorithms, data structures, maintenance, etc.? this actually works in my favor as i never finished college. but since i have over a decade of work experience, my education is irrelevant. i wonder if the same would happen in other fields if employers could test potential employees?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2090547/Mother-28-banned-towns-nightclubs-old-wear-skimpy-outfits.html
hahahahahahahaha
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She looks like a real sweetheart, with that permafrost scowl.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2090588/Being-group-lowers-intelligence–especially-youre-woman.html
There are many implications here, and probably some good explanations for the dynamics of a group approach.
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Not to be contrarian but it is difficult decide some fields are less important than others.
Of course, I see immediately engineering and science are more productive and more useful praticaly for the society.
But arts and philosophy are important too. True, maybe they are not so requested in crisis times, but they are part of what edefine the human being.
Fact is, arts and philosophy are more subject to a personal interpretation and less subject ot a scientific or mathematic approach – ie females go for them. They are ruined by females, so they appears less important because they are an empty shell for feminism and leftism.
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This is not about a court case. This is the result of years of personal debt being used as a tool for social mobility. This is about the middle class trying desperately to maintain itself.
As manufacturing went overseas, the low investment, high return blue-collar-middle-class lifestyle vanished. To maintain a high-expenditure suburban life, a college degree became necessary. As debt increased, wealth transfer to the next generation decreased, and low investment jobs continued to vanish. Each successive generation had to rely more and more on a degree to maintain upward social movement or, eventually, to simply “stay afloat.” Colleges accordingly raised the price due to high demand. True, businesses had to utilize degrees as tools for hiring, but if manufacturing hadn’t vanished, there would be fewer jobs with education requirements in the first place.
Even as we speak, our dying service economy is shunting a chunk of the middle class into lifelong poverty. Eventually the demand for college, or the ability to take on college debt to pay for college, will vanish and prices will drop.
Coincidentally, only after we hit rock bottom will manufacturing return, but never again with quite the same earnings potential for Joe “GED” Shmoe.
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Not exactly. The manufacturing jobs (as in GM) paying high wages
was an artifact of union activity, and have not had a real contact
with market wages since about 1937. These have been entirely
artificial wages since then. It was just a matter of time before they
were either moved (including to greenfield US states) or automated.
And very few required any skill to speak of, that could not be
taught to new hires in a week or so.
This differs sharply from the “trades” jobs (electricians, plumbers etc)
which require a great deal of training, and which additionally cannot
be readily moved – they have to be done mostly on site.
Conflating the two (like the horrible merger between the AFL
and the CIO) is a great mistake, conceptually and politically.
Thor
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You bring up a good point, manufacturing (ala unions) and skilled trade are different animals. I’m not advocating for unions. I dislike them intensely.
Nonetheless, the cost of becoming a tradesman in 1955 was easier to bear than the cost of a bachelor’s degree is today (correct me if I’m wrong). And that aspiring tradesman could always engage in low-education labor and save for whatever costs came with that trade. And once he had become an electrician/plumber/carpenter/etc, he had access to a middle class in need of services, whose lifestyle was not debt-based.
I think that whole period was the product of a postwar economic anomaly. I do not think it can be repeated. And I think its cultural rammifications are more to blame for today’s inflated cost of education than a court case about hiring practices.
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“I’m not advocating for unions. I dislike them intensely.”
You mean the last place in his own nation an average dispossessed white man can find honest well-paid work and escape the vice of menial service labor and antiwhite “education” — you, the disingenuous Hofjude, dislike that intensely. Of course. No quarter for white men unless they can fit under a yarmulke.
“Nonetheless, the cost of becoming a tradesman in 1955 was easier to bear than the cost of a bachelor’s degree is today (correct me if I’m wrong). ”
The cost becoming a tradesman today is often nil apart from books and union dues.
” And I think its cultural rammifications are more to blame for today’s inflated cost of education than a court case about hiring practices.”
You would, you fucking worthless anti-white tick.
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I have a sneaking suspicion that if I were pro-union, UH, you would claim I’m supporting the vampirism of “ZOG.”
I don’t care what chapter you’re a card carrying member of, though I’d assume it’s Ad Hominem Chapter #103, you vitriolic fuckwit. Unions have, in cinematic fashion, been party to the destruction of American manufacturing. The examples are plentiful, poignant and repetitious. Your response, so quaint in its soundbite-fury, suggests I touched a nerve.
The Obama rally is over that way, Uh. You can listen to someone blather on about the value of things long dead and ever-wrong without a cursory understanding of economics. You’ll feel right at home.
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“Even as we speak, our dying service economy is shunting a chunk of the middle class into lifelong poverty.”
The tertiary sector is not dying. It is the only sector that can grow, correlated with the outsourcing of industry, mass immigration, demand for goods, and “industrial” agricultural, i.e. the urbanization of all life on earth.
“Coincidentally, only after we hit rock bottom will manufacturing return, but never again with quite the same earnings potential for Joe “GED” Shmoe.”
Don’t attempt hide your glee, Shmuely. We know you’re doing het ha’eggel over there.
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You mistake my numb horror and abject sorrow for glee but hey, it’s an easy mistake to make.
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I know two women in their early 40’s who did degrees in communications and marketing respectively. The first never lasts longer than 2 years at any job, and is frequently out of work, and at 43 is pursuing an ‘acting career’ at community theatres. She also has a rapidly progressing and pretty nasty drug problem.
The other is still 40 grand + in student debt, lives in subsidized housing paying only what she can afford ($125/month) and makes some money DJing.
I shagged both of them and let them suck my cock, then told them to fuck off. That’s about all they are good for, they are now fully fledged members of the spinsterhood.
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One time, my journalism professor told my class she left graduated from Umass with about $700 in debt in 1978 ($2400 today). I left that school in 08 with around 25K to 30K in debt, close to what is posted on the graph… and I received a lot of financial aid. Umass is a state school that’s considerably cheaper than most private schools in that area. I think Chateau’s numbers even underestimate how inflated college has become.
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Here is a very good article about the uselessness of the Department of Education. Near the end it also talks about what you touched on here. Basically, college is a replacement for IQ and to give it’s students a piece of paper that declares this person is capable of some hard work.
The D of E did help inadvertently create two good things, homeschooling and charter schools. Thank God for parents who could see the uselessness of this institution.
http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2012&month=01
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As a tenured professor in a STEM subject at a major research university:
Thank you, idiotic American academic system for giving me a good life!
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The communication major should not exist. What you learn from it should be a part of the regular curriculum. Seriously society doesn’t know how to communicate today without specializing in it. As for women’s studies, that should only be an option in private universities. Public dollars should not subsidize and blatantly sexist major.
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I was on a plane trip I struck up a conversation with a PhD who worked in a large government lab. We both agreed, the Master’s degree is the new Bachelor’s degree. Following this logic the Bachelor’s degree is the new Associates degree. The Associates degree is the new H.S. diploma.
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What do you do for a living Great Balls For Manginas? I mean other than blowing people’s minds inbetween accepting blow jobs from the mouths of butthexed babes?
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everything comes back to bernanke.
wake up white man.
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The man behind the curtain gave the Scarecrow a piece of paper ’cause he couldn’t give him a brain.
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Psychopaths promote freedom as the highest good, because THEY want to be free to pursue all their ridiculous and evil bullshit. For those who can develop a conscience, truth trumps freedom always and everywhere.
By accepting freedom as the highest good, you preserve not only the freedom to tell the truth, but also the freedom to lie; in actual practice the FREEDOM to lie inevitably becomes the REQUIREMENT to lie.
The distribution of inherited qualities is not equal between men and women, or between the races; but the Griggs decision requires employers – and therefore schools – to pretend it’s not true.
No government can have the legitimate authority to require us to lie; but, you will not get “our” government to actually stop requiring it unless and until you reject the culture of lying (brand name: “Freedom!”). To restore this country – and not have it immediately start sliding right back to where we are now – you’re going to have to become willing to subjugate freedom to truth; it IS a practical matter.
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As was understood before the French Revolution.
Actually, as more White people graduate than Black people, requiring College is ALSO Disparate Impact! Why not give Black people simply some bonus points on aptitude tests? It is still Anti-Racist, but saves a lot of money.
Disparate Impact also means that Reagan is just as bad as Hitler. Always remind Liberals of that fact.
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Damned well said.
Freedom welcomes both truth and lie, locks them in unending stalemate. But the lie is inherently shrewder and avails itself of craftier methods to establish itself over men; and therefore it is only an apparent stalemate as the lie steadily and irreversibly erodes truth.
Freedom must be defeated.
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Very long paper on “Disparate Impact Realism” by Law Professor Amy Wax.
” First, research in industrial and organizational psychology
(IOP) has repeatedly documented that, despite their imperfections,
tests and criteria such as those at issue in Griggs (which are heavily
“g”-loaded and thus dependent on cognitive ability) remain the best
predictors of performance for jobs at all levels of complexity.9
Second, work in psychometrics, educational demography, and labor
economics indicates that blacks, and to a lesser extent Hispanics,
currently lag behind whites both in cognitive ability test performance
and in the skills needed for success on the job.10 These gaps
are reflected in lower scores on the types of g-loaded job screens that
best predict job success.11 The combination of well-documented
racial differences in cognitive ability and the consistent link between
ability and job performance generates a pattern that experts
term the “validity-diversity tradeoff ”: the most effective job selection
criteria consistently generate the smallest number of minority
hires.12
Indeed, the evidence indicates that most valid screening devices
will have a significant adverse impact on blacks and will also
violate the four-fifths rule under the law of disparate impact.13
In sum, the IOP literature demonstrates that the empirical and
demographic premises behind the disparate impact rule do not
match reality and have turned out to be myths.14 As a consequence,
most legitimate job selection practices, including those that predict
productivity better than alternatives, will routinely trigger liability
under the current rule.15
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1795443
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Professor Amy Wax’s paper on “Disparate Impact Realism” is a worthwhile read (easily found on the net).
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How could Griggs have boosted college tuition? Under Griggs, a college degree could count as Disparate Impact as much as an IQ test unless the government was satisfied that the degree was a relevant qualification for the job.
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That would be logical. But this stuff is not logical. Divorce laws and
alimony have a disparate impact on men, for example. But that
is considered OK.
Universities have a certain limited immunity, as long as they are willing
to play the game, and go for “diversity”, including in the faculty.
It is in many cases an utterly fake “diversity” as the diversity is in
ethnicity but rarely in ideology. Test questions to somebody who
boasts about a university faculty being diverse:
OK how many do you have on faculty that are
a) Heterosexual men
b) Practicing Christians (or practicing Jews)
c) Conservatives
d) Libertarians
e) Republicans
and see what happens…..
Thor
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I work for a company that collects on defaulted student loans and I must say the obscene amount of waste that I encounter on a daily basis regarding the education racket is nothing if not comedic. I dont waste my time talking to sistahs beause they dont pay their bills.
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not a convincing argument at all, but still mind blowing to this british reader that aptitude testing illegal. i don’t think there is a single formal graduate scheme in the uk that doesn’t require some numerical or verbal test.
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Actually, not illegal. The one thing that is practically dangerous is
for a prospective EMPLOYER to use GENERAL APTITUDE tests.
The problem is not that they are illegal, but that they likely will
have results that show that some minorities (read Blacks, sometimes
Hispanics) will statistically do worse then Whites and Asians. And,
if used for hiring decisions (which is the whole point of them), the
employer is for a discrimination lawsuits.
Thor
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