A reader wants to know if high octane direct game will get a guy laid consistently.
I stumbled onto this post during my normal stroll through the pick up artist forums.
He claims to basically be completely direct with his game. I’ve never heard of people being THAT direct. Telling a girl she’s sexy like that, seems a bit awkward and douchey.
I’m mailing you because I’m curious what do you think? Could being so direct get great results?
I won’t get into a long-winded discussion of the eternal question of direct vs. indirect game here. I’ll save that for future posts. But I will tell you that there are a handful of prerequisites — essentials — that you should abide if you want to see any sort of repeatable success with direct game.
1. Don’t be shitfaced.
Yes, the guy in the field report linked by the reader was intoxicated, and he managed a groping make-out and a number close. But most men, most of the time, are going to get blown out if they approach chicks sloppy drunk while sputtering how “sexxxxxyyy” they are. It’s simply too easy for a girl to brush off a man’s direct come-on if he’s reeking of liquor and slurring his words. Exception: if she’s equally drunk. (Not to say a little liquid courage won’t help. Just don’t drink past the point of self-awareness.)
2. Don’t target the obnoxious attention whores.
These kinds of girls are *expecting* direct solicitations, just so they can relish the shoot down. Counterintuitively, it’s often the more reserved, conservatively dressed girls who are showing a little more skin than they usually do who will crumble like feta cheese under the onslaught of a sexual direct approach. It is a myth that only skanks are DTF. Good girls will jump into the sack just as fast with the right guy spitting the right game.
3. Look for signs of ovulation in your targets.
You should pay more attention to body language than to what she’s saying. Ovulating girls are the ripest picks for one night stands, and you’ll notice by how flushed she is when talking to you, how many times she crosses her legs or shifts her weight from one foot to the other, and how often she licks her lips or tugs at her hair whether her egg has embarked on its journey. Science has shown that ovulating girls tend to show more cleavage and thigh, so keep an eye out for miniskirts and low cut tops.
4. Start direct, then switch to indirect, then back to direct.
Read the linked field report. You’ll notice the guy opens with “You’re sexy as fuck” (which, btw, is NOT an invitation to fuck a la the apocalypse opener), then downshifts to nonsexual rapport and teases her about her dancing skill, and then upshifts to a direct sexual solicitation when body contact between the two of them is at its maximum. This direct-indirect-direct system sustains the direct sexual approach by introducing the variables of male unpredictability and outcome independence, two things which all girls love in men.
5. It’s obvious, but bears repeating: overconfidence is king in direct game.
Any hint — I mean ANY CRUMB of a hint — that your sexually aggressive come-on is a farce, or was pursued with less than full sincerity, and she will blow you out. You have to be doubtless in your desirability, fearless in your attack, and dauntless in your commitment to victory. She smells the faintest whiff of self-doubt, hesitancy or smarmy backpedaling, and you will be pissily rejected.
6. Avoid romantic flattery.
“You’re sexy as fuck” sounds like a cocky compliment from a guy who just wants to jackhammer your pussy. “I have to say you’re really beautiful” sounds like a sycophantic plea from a beta who already dreams about long walks on the beach with you. Which guy do you think a girl is more likely to want to fuck one hour after meeting? You can pull off the latter with alpha body language, but you’re better served maximizing congruency between what you say and how much command you say it with.
7. Be prepared to lead, every second.
A guy who leads a girl everywhere and all the time prevents her from rethinking her desire to sleep with him. A body in motion tends to stay sexually available unless acted upon by a fat cockblock. Never ask. Tell her what you two are doing, and don’t wait for a decision-making caucus to develop. Bar, dance floor, another bar, another bar, alleyway, doorstep. No rest for the horny.
8. Don’t overgame.
Direct game pares down the seduction process to its bare bones. If you start flying off on tangents like “the cube” or storytelling, the raw sexual energy of the direct pickup will dissipate. A girl relinquishing herself to a sexually aggressive man expects it to feel like a power has taken hold over her conscious faculties and she has no defense to his wiles. This is an accelerated zone of seduction where the normal rules get truncated.
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The relevant question to everyone reading here is, of course: Will I have more success on a more consistent basis with direct game, or with indirect game?
Unfortunately, I can’t answer this reasonable question with conviction one way or the other. My own personal style is indirect, though I have dabbled with direct game, to mixed results. Most of the seduction community practices indirect game, so if popularity is a measure of a game strategy’s effectiveness, then you’d have to give the nod to indirect game. (Direct gamers would counter that indirect is popular with most men because it takes more balls to pull off direct game. They have a point.)
There are other variables that need addressing before we can settle this matter one way or the other.
– Are very good-looking or muscular men better off running direct or indirect game? The answer to this is not obvious.
– What about significantly older men or uglier men or shorter men? Indirect game may limit the number of blowouts experienced by these men. Conversely, direct game may offer them a channel in which to rapidly demonstrate their overconfidence, thus bypassing the reflexive blowout. Again, the answer is not obvious.
– Are there contexts in which direct and indirect game have inherent advantages? My experience is that girls respond better to indirect during the day and direct at night in clubs, but I don’t have a wealth of direct day game data to test this hypothesis.
– Do some kinds of girls respond better to direct? Indirect? Unsurprisingly, a man I once knew who specializes in cougars (it’s not a difficult specialization) says that older women melt for his direct game. Ovulating coke whores with low digit ratios probably swoon for direct game, as well.
Finally, this dichotomy of direct versus indirect may have outlived its usefulness. Thinking on my pickups, it occurs to me that many of them were mash-ups of direct and indirect game. I use the best of both. Then there’s the definitional issue: direct game comes in many forms. “You’re sexy as fuck” is certainly direct, but it’s not an invitation to fuck. There’s plausible deniability of intention in that exclamation. “I want to take you home and fuck you”… now, that’s a direct come-on which leaves no room for hamster-fueling misinterpretation.
And this gets to the heart of the direct-indirect debate: namely, INTENTION. Direct game is the art of communicating your intention to fuck, sooner and stronger rather than later and weaker. Indirect game is the art of transparently concealing your intention to fuck in a cloak of plausible, yet tissue-thin, deniability. Either way, with direct or indirect, a girl whose social IQ is above room temperature and below genius-level autism is going to know you are talking to her because you eventually want to ravage her naked body. Your job, should you choose to accept it, is to determine who among the pretty constellation of hot babes wants their seduction straight up smashmouth style, and who among them wants to experience the sublime thrill of fraught flirtation.

Not the same question, but it’s fair to assume that being muscular will enhance your chances with direct game. Having a good body amps up the sexual tension. So get lifting.
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A normal range BMI is all that is needed. Anything more muscular is a waste of time.
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Would not agree. Keep an eye out for someone above six foot who is in the range of 16 stone (230lbs) lean. You will be very surprised by the reaction it triggers in women and it may change your opinion.
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Spending all your time in the gym is part of the dating advice that Amanda Marcotte gives men.You know that right?
A guy 6’1″, 230lbs has the same BMI (30.3) as a guy who is 5’9″, 205lbs.
In a club a 6’2″ 190lb dude ((normal BMI) would get a better visceral reaction than the 5’9″ guy.
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That is certainly true. This is why I specified six plus.
I am in no way advising becoming that large as a dating strategy or anywhere near necessary for a man to be successful with women. Anyone doing that would be misguided and does not understand the passion and dedication to diet and exercise that one must have. However, if you are passionate enough or are put into a circumstance where you become large (an athlete) you will notice a benefit in pulling. Firstly, being big differentiates you from other men – a great thing. Secondly, being big is a huge attraction trigger for women. Women love a tall man, but a tall man with a 50 inch chest and 34 inch waist takes it up a level.
[heartiste: the best players i know are not YOOGE RIPPED dudes. they are in shape, average height, and decent looking. what distinguishes them from other men is their impeccable social savvy and air of badassness. yooge rippedness will help with some girls and be an active turn-off to other girls, so my take is that it is a wash at worst and a small leg up over the competition at best. advanced muscularity is certainly not necessary for pickup, but it can help. most men would get a bigger bang for their buck by simply refraining from being fat and sloppy, instead of slaving away to build rock hard abs and mountainous bis.
no, the best reason for a man to hit the weights on a consistent basis is that it will boost his T levels and his confidence, which are the real factors that contribute to his success with the ladies.]
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heartiste is correct here… big muscles are like beards… turn-offs for many women… but the ones who like ’em REALLY like ’em… so it’s a wash.
In my younger days, I’ve had many a fair bedmate who mentioned (as a sort of shit test, I suppose) that one of their friends thought I was a “big goon”.
My standard reply: “I am a big goon… that’s what gets you wet… (and then with a knowing wink and Nicholson grin)… you’re welcome:”
The fact that their friends’ disapproval did not curb their libido says it all.
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Interesting. A recent newstory told of a wrestler who had bedded 100+ women,all the while not informing them that he had AIDS. He has thankfully been sent away,hopefully he will die inside at minimal cost to the taxpayer. His name,which I have forgeotten,and the fact that he had AIDS,as well as the fact that he banged so much tail with no concern whatsoever for the other party,indicates he is a ni–er,african-american.So what kind of “girl” responds to a greased up,muscle-bound black pro-wrestler??.
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I believe that looks to women are more psychological. You can be strongly typed and attract a woman or you can do it through her brain by speaking game to her and follow the generic principles of game.
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Yeah, but a lean, 230 pound guy would have to be almost 6′ 4″ and would be like an NFL running back or quarterback. Anybody would look at that guy because he would be a freak. Yeah, chicks would be turned on by the physique, but you’re describing a very rare specimen. A lean, muscular 6 foot guy is more like 180 pounds. That being said, all men should lift. It is nothing but positive, and regardless of your height or general build, women are attracted to men who are in shape, whether you’re slender and ripped, or blocky and muscular. Men looking to pick up girls should be in the gym at least 3 days a week.
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Not at least 3 days a week. ONLY 3 days a week! Anymore is a waste of time. Any less and you are half assing. Pecs and a flat stomach (not even a 6 pack) and you’re golden.
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Yeah, if you only do 3 days a week, you will be blocky. The whole rippetoe texas method thing seems to be invented for people who were using their strength gains to complement their sport specific or cardio training. So, 3 days of strength and work on your cardio as well (unless you’re dieting on skinless chicken breast etc.)
The thing about muscles is they can be another crutch which can work against you, like being a good looking guy without game. You may say to yourself, I am ripped, why don’t bitches like (i.e., throw themselves at) me, “I have X”, something else must be wrong. I’ve noticed this on tv, some jersey shore guy would be at a club and have to look at his biceps to give himself courage.
But I would think that the 6’4″ guy has a lot of advantages over even the 6′ tall guy.
no short cuts, dammit.
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NFL running backs are not six four.
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Working out makes you feel great. Feeling great improves your inner game.
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Leangains is the way to go.
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God, all these “do this, don’t do that” rules to keep track of. No wonder I masturbate instead.
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And you take a taxi instead of drive?
Any goal oriented activity will have navigation involved.
So don’t have any goals and don’t navigate.
And tatoo an L to your forehead.
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^ this. Game isn’t just about women, it’s about life. To be a man you must learn how to make goals, and strive to accomplish them.
Women just come with the package.
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Um, masturbation *is* goal-oriented.
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No,its more “goo-oriented”. (See what I did there…)
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Your entire life is a project. You have to build and then build more. It’s hard. Some men get to the point where then are so zen they prefer the struggle to the rewards. This is built into every man I believe, but how many ever realize it? You the machine.
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The fucked up thing about the gender neutral parent/kid thing (link is on CH’s twitter for those not following along) is that she has decided somewhat arbitrarily that gender differences, including stereotypes such as blue for boys, pink for girls, are inherently bad things. Isn’t it true that the most feminine women are usually (always?) attracted to the most masculine men? In other words, these stupid ass “protect my kid” from gender stereotypes idiots are probably not smart enough to understand why it won’t be effective, and perhaps even damaging long term.
The sexy sons model would argue for mothers wanting to generate the most masculine sons possible or did I miss something?
This argument/debate fits with direct vs. indirect game because running either/both is more effective the more masculine or gender stereotyped you are, in my experience. Small example: the more i have developed physically through working out with weights, the better positive outcomes i have when spitting game. Do you think the more masculine muscular look is hindering or hurting? Rhetorical of course.
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Also, have hair on your chest. I could not begin to count the number of women who have told me they love a hairy chest, and hirsute men altogether.
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I woman told me she hated hair on men. We did some cocaine then I seduced and fucked her. During she told me she liked my hairy chest.
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Women have a subroutine of trying to dominate men. It meshes with the subroutine of banding together with team vagina.
That subroutine becomes pathologically applied to their own sons.
The evolutionary advantage to women banding together to try to gain hand over men is that they gain provisioning.
The negative side effect is tolerated by evolution as overall the drug is beneficial.
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This was a fascinating read. Well done.
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I want to ravage GBFM’s naked library.
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Ha. Newton’s Law of Pickup. The man himself was a Puritan and possibly a virgin.
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Better be flooded with testosterone if you want this to work.
Deadlifts, squats, etc. Get some UV on your balls. Train your crushing grip.
And stand up straight, you beta POS!
Don’t “eat” her cunt — it’s a *fuck* hole. Don’t forget the other two slots which often provide a more memorable bout.
If this kind of language is in any way “offensive” to you, or your scrotum winced when you read it, you have low testosterone and that sucks.–
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Fortifying stuff.
Don’t forget abstaining from masturbation to spike testosterone (145%!) on the seventh day, when the big alpha in the sky empties his scrotum all over the comeliest angels, and does rest.
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Direct game works best, in my experience, with younger, hornier, or less uptight women. And it’s worked better for me after a few months of heavy weightraining, wearing simple, well-made but manlier duds – boots, wool coats , jeans, etc.
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I cant imagine a life w/o eating pussy! To dive between those luscious thighs,and hear her moans and groans etc…thats a little slice of heaven,sir!
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Throat cancer.
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Don’t “eat” her cunt — it’s a *fuck* hole.
–>Agreed. I tell the girls to suck me off while they finger themselves. Then it’s on like donkey kong.
The only chance of me eating her out is if I have been with her for a good while (6+ months), and I know that I’m the only guy she’s with. She has to convince me that her snatch isn’t getting pounded by another guy.
Oh, and good hygiene of course. If she didn’t shower up, I may not even do her.
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The host has a way with making the last line count, like the final left cross in a knockout.
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The direct-indirect-direct mashup works wonderfully at caffeinating the hamster.
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The direct vs. indirect debate is always a strange one, which exists due to some individuals in the game community only being able to see in binary.
Whether an individual goes direct or indirect has to be judged by a situational basis. If you are in a bar, the booze it flowing and you see a pretty bit worse for wear; direct is the winner. If you are at an art gallery and see a bird giving you goo-goo eyes; indirect is the winner. Taking the opposite approach in either of these examples will lead to failure. A drunk bar slag does not want to be ‘gamed’ for half an hour before you show your intentions, a woman partaking in art does not want a man to show his sexuality and desire from the offset.
There is not a magic bullet. Be socially aware and adapt the best you can to any situation.
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“A drunk bar slag does not want to be ‘gamed’ for half an hour before you show your intentions, a woman partaking in art does not want a man to show his sexuality and desire from the offset.”
This is often the same woman at different times. Haughty art poseur by day, besotted cock gobbler by night.
I bet very successful car salesmen would make good PUAs.
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“This is often the same woman at different times. Haughty art poseur by day, besotted cock gobbler by night.”
Very true, though one has to know what mask a woman is wearing at that particular moment and act accordingly.
On the salesman front; definitely. The principles are exactly the same and most men would get a great deal more from doing a sales course than going to a PUA bootcamp. In regards to salesman as PUAs, I know an older gentleman who has made and lost a fortune twice over in sales. While married to his first wife, he took a voyage on his boat – unbeknownst to her – with two women ten years his juniour. The wife only found out once it run aground, capsized and he found himself on the local mediterranean news. Man has game.
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Now that’s tragedy worth living!
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Extremely good looking men would probably have better success with indirect game. Direct game will probably slam the slut-defensive screen up with a red-alert siren whooping in the background if the game is too direct. They’d probably be best served with a mashup of the two.
A man with a great body-build may also benefit from a mashup, but can probably get away with a bit more direct game than one with really great looks. Because he is appealing to her on a more visceral level, and keeping the game on that level won’t harm him as much.
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“Extremely good looking men would probably have better success with indirect game.” I wholeheartedly agree. Even if a man’s overall persona and status also figure greatly (more greatly?) into women’s calculation of his SMV, I observe men’s looks dictating the kind of game they need to run more than anything else. Moreover, extremely good looking men really do need to be careful not to over-game. In particular, I see tall, built men needing to run more of a puppy-dog routine than any other kind of guy. Two men in my social circle of this type routinely trip over themselves by being alternately too direct and too aloof with the introverted, bookish 7.5s they want to wife up, especially at the start. At least they know about game (you’re welcome), but they’re really miscalibrated on approach.
I’d really like to read more about 1) how to accurately appraise one’s own value 2) how to game for given pairs of men and women of varying SMV pairings. More and more I’m seeing men who know a little about game but underestimate their SMV blow chicks out of the water by applying game more appropriate to men with lower SMVs. I see these guys end up with fuglies who never get positivity from men and so aren’t phased by this kind of game — the fuglies pursue these guys, even! Meanwhile the girls in my circle who get hit on by the high status over-gamers end up with lower quality men than they could have, just because the over-gamers aren’t offering enough cuddly feelings. It’s baffling. And makes for an uglier social circle. Help.
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Thanks for an insightful post. Reading that was opportune for me; I tend to overdo the cocky negs. What do you mean by puppy dog game? That’s an unfortunate name, not very virile-sounding, but it brings to mind rapport-building methods like secret world.
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Yes, I applied these insights yesterday to good effect. Combined some secret world play with an ever-so-slightly-arrogant assumed sale and experimented a bit with a warm smile rather than the usual crooked grin. Worked to a T as recovery following overgame.
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You lost me at “Don’t be shitfaced.”
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“In battle, there are not more than two methods of attack–the direct and the indirect; yet these two in combination give rise to an endless series of maneuvers.” – Sun Tzu
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Direct game in action:
In The VIP is a must see for game students. There are rumors that it’s all faked. Although unlikely, it doesn’t matter. It’s credible enough to be useful.
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first, i agree, the show is a great expose on what works and what doesn’t. its also entertaining as hell. the show takes place in toronto, and in that city direct game is like catnip to chicks. they love aggressive dudes.
that said, the main flaw w the show is that it almost always takes place in the same club. some contestants were known to invite female friends to the club on a taping night and “approach” them. so at least some of the successful pickups were inauthentic. which is why the show is better for showing what does not work as opposed to what does.
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Now there’s a ringing endorsement.
You must be an editor for
The New York Times
Which, must be a helluva great
pick-up line in
Manhattan
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I don’t live in manhattan
I dont read the nyt
But I still wonder
why in hell
do you
write like that 🙂
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Manhattanites
and DC bloggers
love it
besides: it doesn’t matter – it’s credible enough ha
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This was a really good post.
“A body in motion tends to stay sexually available unless acted upon by a fat cockblock.”
Bwahahaha
I’d love to see a post elaborating on how to detect ovulation. I notice that sometimes a girl’s skin will glisten/shine and I have always postulated that this is an ovulation signal but am not really sure.
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I second that request. #3 describes how an ovulating girl behaves while being approached. I too would like to know how to spot them from a distance. So many women dress slutty, day and night, that that alone can’t be a reliable sign of ovulation can it?
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Good physique, body language and vocal projection=direct all the time. Even if you get blown out you still feel like a boss for making a ballsy move so its win win.
I agree that it works great in the bar/club/nightlife scene but it also works great in the day time too. Women everywhere are dying to have a man go beastmode on them to break the monotany of their boring career driven consumerist lives. It can be a fine line though between getting laid or possibly catching a charge. Just gotta fine tune by constantly approaching and saying ballsy/dumb/funny shit. Play the “one up” game with yourself where everytime you say somethin ballsy to a girl or make a bold approach, try to one up youtself every time. This will create an attitude of very intense emotions that can skyrocket you even farther because its very addicting.
Actually though in my experience Im not completely direct ALL the time but my general thought is…see attractive girl….approach and engage immediately.
PS having a way above avg amount of testosterone pumping through your body will make you go total beastmode direct with near tangible focus+intent.
Very intoxicating to da girlz.
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lolzoz lotsa cockas fcor da laidddiez
“Actually though in my experience Im not completely direct ALL the time but my general thought is…see attractive girl….approach and engage immediately.”
This mindset alone propels one through the thicket of beta herbs too awed and inhibited to approach everything hot that moves that isn’t visibly attached to another male.
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Many years ago, a friend of mine told me a story about how he once got completely shitfaced at a party and went around to all of the women asking them for blowjobs. He got laughed at, he got slapped, he got drinks thrown at him. And eventually, he got a blowjob.
Since then he’d tried the same tactic on other occasions, while not completely wasted, in situations where his behavior wouldn’t blow back on him or any of his friends.
“Really?” I asked. “What’s your success rate?”
“Three to five percent,” he said. He typically had to ask 20-30 women before he got blown. “If you don’t care about getting slapped or looking like an asshole, it’s actually not too bad.”
I strive to one day have balls that big.
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Rasputin did the same thing. Even went up to women and just started unbuttoning their blouses. By the time he died, Russian noblemen boasted to one another of their wives having fucked him.
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No doubt similar sentiments will air when CH is laid to rest…
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I do know the better I look and more confident I am, the more direct women are with me. For reasons mostly beyond my control I have gained an extra 15 unwanted pounds and I am no longer gettin felt up by random strange women. But amping up cockiness helps.
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Personally I recommend indirect-direct. Meaning, direct body language and subcommunication but indirect verbal plays
[heartiste: yeah, that’s my style too. krauser, i mean to review your ebook soon. been busy lately so i haven’t gotten around to it.]
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Important distinction, good point. “Indirect” does not mean to speak more quietly, approach less, or de-emphasize your male physicality. Whether direct or indirect, the non-verbal is a given: good posture, good eye contact, vocal projection, and you approach attractive, available-looking girls.
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Krauser has a condensed version of his pickup model on his blog. I have his book. It’s solid and easy to implement.
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You guys who do so many approaches should conduct some experiments to determine which game works better. Approach 100 girls with direct, then indirect, and see which works.
A guy on a different forum used a variant of the apocalypse opener during the day, on the street, and determined that it worked on 7% of girls (they all agreed to have sex with him, right there), or 14 out of 100. He claimed that he only approached 9s and 10s, although he himself was good-looking as well (but not model level).
[heartiste: 7% for the daytime is higher than i would expect. the average guy with no game who petitions random girls he meets during the day for sex would be lucky to hit a 1% rate of return lovin’.]
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Indirect works best. Direct always scares away some girls while indirect when done well (suggestive) doesn’t scare away the DTF’s.
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I’ve got a friend who opens every woman he talks to with “Damn girl, you’re sexy as hell”. They almost always respond positively. He then interprets their positive response with having been complimented and not in the way his opener was delivered. Every time he then begins complimenting them on everything he can think of. Their clothes, their makeup, their jewelry, their shoes, their fucking eyebrows… anything her can think of. A ceaseless litany of “your xxxxx is sexy as hell”. I’ve never seen him close. Not once. He refuses to accept constructive criticism on this approach and actually becomes angry when it is offered. If only he would go indirect after opening, this dude could swim in pussy. It’s almost sad to see.
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This is modern PUA game. No fuzzy hats required:
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(most of the vids have more footage spliced in throughout the speaking parts so watch the entire vids or you’ll miss out on some good stuff)
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“freakishly inexpensive” “cheap price I’m gonna charge you”…this hard sell sounds beta.
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More examples of mostly direct game I posted to that other blog since I’m on a roll with the videos today. Also examples of how you don’t need money or to be 6’5″ or to wear a fuzzy hat (although a Dragonball wig helps lol):
I wonder how much the cover charge to talk to girls on the street cost these guys. My favorite part of the video is where they bought all those drinks and shots and dinner for the girls from the bartender on the street corner. Oh no wait, none of that happened. They spent nothing but a few hours of flirting.
Although I guess the Dragonball Z costume probably cost some money:
At 2:50 into this vid:
I love where he pulled out his wallet and rifled through all the money in it to get that chick to invite him to join her. Oh no wait, that didn’t happen.
I guess this guy WILL have to pay to have sex with this girl, I mean, it’ll probably cost him at LEAST a dollar in text messages to tell her to come hang out at his place.
Plus if his time is worth $50/hr, he just blew like $7 there…fuck, that’s steep!! Why not just get a $7 hooker dude!!!1111
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Jesus titty-fucking Christ.
Rollo’s, here. Where you gonna spam next?
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Those vids are worth spamming. Any guy who’s learning game should be required to view them because they contain the concepts these blogs discuss, distilled down into an extremely efficient form. Leading, frame control, teasing, cold-reading, dominance, kino, it’s all there, in crystal clear video to show newbies what it’s looks like in action.
Sadly, there are still people who think the girls are all paid actresses or hookers, or say stuff like “a 6’2″ law student talking to a under dressed so so coed” and completely ignore the other guys in the videos who are average height/looks, or in Tyler’s case a 5’8″ pale balding ginger sometimes with a ridiculous beard, and doing the same shit using the same concepts.
Usually those people are the ones who don’t go out much or have a really vague understanding of pickup.
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Keep posting these excellent videos. But please skip the red herring that anyone ever suggested that a man needs to pay for a phone number. Of course, even that wouldn’t matter as a guy can playfully ask a girl he’s already established attraction with “I’ll buy you an ice cream cone if you give me your phone number”, which wouldn’t screw up any dynamic unless she’s an ultra-sensitive feminist.
Any of these guys can score with various methods after they phone the women and establish more comfort. It’s a good idea, btw, for the man to consider his time worth $50/hr.
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The frame behind this remark, relentlessly propagated by the feminist matrix, is that the young women in the videos are not the type that can be bought by their male acquaintances, after comfort has been established, whereas a different class of female, comprising different women on the “wrong side of the tracks” somewhere, is for sale and probably not as clean and desirable.
The reality is that, after establishing attraction and comfort, these guys in the videos who just number closed can go the pure game route to score or they can use the Bangbus approach with the same women but without the video camera on that part. It’s cheaper to do the former which is why guys read this blog. But you’d have to read this blog anyway, even if you wanted to develop Direct Bangbus Game. 😉
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While your sarcasm is hilarious your point is undermined by featuring comic con chicks..and a 6’2″ law student talking to a under dressed so so coed. DHV doesn’t need to be expensive, but it’s still DHV
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I hadn’t noticed that: the guy was trying to tell the mother of someone who won’t age well that he’s going to be a lawyer and he’d therefore be a good pick for her daughter. What’s the cost of being able to tell a coed that you’re going to be a lawyer soon? $100k?
Not that this line of talking would have been a turnoff to the mother and daughter. Quite the opposite. What this blog and that video really teaches, however, is that there were other things he did that were more effective, like holding onto her hand like that and daring to pick her up while she was on her cell phone. That took balls.
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The most important lesson from this video is that Janka completely ignores her “protests” over and over again.
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“What’s the cost of being able to tell a coed that you’re going to be a lawyer soon? $100k?”
Free, if you lie.
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lol
http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/238426-would-not-bang
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Your schtick is tired. I’m sure you’d even bang spiderman, but I wouldn’t nor would I touch the fat chick to the right of him.
Oh yeah. The girl in this link ain’t low hanging fruit. The coed surely is.
Take your medication.
[heartiste: if a chick is cute and slender, she is not low hanging fruit, no matter what her station in life, mode of dress, or even, yes, her level of drunkenness. (it’ll still be easier to bed a drunk fug than a drunk cutie.)]
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No. Drunk fugs are called “gimmes”. The Graces of the world when hit on by a 6’2″ “lawyer” and professional PUA is called low hanging fruit.
[heartiste: i didn’t see any drunk fug. maybe we’re looking at different vids?]
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1. He says “What’s your name” and then shakes her free hand and does not let go while she also does not let go. Brilliant.
2. The “Direct Game” is about a cup of coffee, not sex. It’s important for anyone discussing direct game vs indirect game to note that going for the coffee instadate has to count as direct game.
3. Demanding the attention of someone on her cell phone. Priceless. I have to rate that one of the best instructional videos ever.
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No man, didn’t you read what evilalpha said? None of that mattered it only comes down to that he was tall, said he was a lawyer, and she was a hideous ugly piece of garbage.
Just kidding. Good analysis. The lingering hand-hold is golden, try it next time you introduce yourself to a girl (skip to 50 seconds in):
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Aww. You still hurt? I’m just trying to teach ya. To show the effectiveness of game use everyman as the stand in, not a Janka.
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What’s the best way to chat a girl up in (or after) class?
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<a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/demi_moore_hospitalized_for_substance_WhwJTgEZChVpNZDSiaeraDemi Moore Hospitalized
“In November, Moore, 49, announced she was ending her marriage to Ashton Kutcher after six years — amid reports Kutcher, 33, had engaged in multiple extramarital affairs.”
As our esteemed host might deign to point out, “Biomechanics is God.” Mess with them, be a cougar and marry a much younger stud, and the laws will snap back on you as hard as you twisted them out of alignment.
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And she is still pretty hot even.
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If your “direct game” needs this much of a prompt then it is a farce. Wait until you’re an actual hero or god.
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Those videos are fantastic.
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fuck yeh
my grandad used to say that back in the 1990’s
“Everything you see on TV is TRUE”
but now, it’s cool cuz it also applies
to YouTube
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British White Knighter Lawmaker trying to make it illegal to pay for sexual favors from a 20 year old:
http://theantifeminist.com/paying-for-sex-with-20-year-olds-to-be-criminilized-in-the-uk/
This will effectively raise the age of consent to 21 in the UK unless you steadfastly adhere to feminist, or PUA, principles about equality.
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most depressing article ever, for approximately 500k reasons: http://www.salon.com/2012/01/26/my_narcissistic_wife_is_ruining_my_life/
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Wow. That’s pretty sick.
You can’t just point and complain about lack of game there. That’s a guy who got fucked and deserves sympathy.
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What you call direct game my squad calls machine gun game. Hit em fast and hard. This is the weapon of choice for latinas and Eastern European chicks, anything less will usually get you shot down faster than you can say your own name. Your average post grad American caucasian chick on the other hand has a hamster that’s hard wired for indirect game only.
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Note: it is usually the left hook that does the “finishing”, at least in combinations thrown by a conventional (right-handed) fighter.
This author is the most comprehensive thinker on this subject I’ve encountered. Regardless of whether or not you “agree” with him (he presents his thesis in a compellingly empirical way, as though it’s beyond the realm of opinion) he provides as complete a conceptual framework as one is going to find on the subject of attracting and fucking pussy.He can be compared to no less a personage than Sigmund Freud. While, like Freud, for many of his topics he is his own reference point, I doubt that the social science researchers with thier fancy mathematics and ratio based this and that will come closer to the truth, verifiable or not, of what makes for succesful i e consummated sexual encounters than he has. The fact that some will regard his effort as manipulaitve misses the point; by his intuitive and “dead reckoning” analysis he has mapped out hundreds of miles of territory; he leaves to those that follow the surveying, ground breaking, road building, settling. A seminal effort by an original thinker.
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I once – and only once – had an experience with ultra direct game. Three male friends and I were out at a bar one Saurday night where the group of us stood and talked with one another for about an hour. None of us made any moves whatsoever on any of the women there – and there weren’t many. But a young redhead kept walking back and forth to the bar and we’d make eye contact each time she passed. I did nothing. She left the bar with her friend a few minutes before closing and I instantly regretted my inaction.
Soon after, my group left the bar. We walked down the block where I saw red with her friend on the corner. I said fuck it – walked aggressively up to them and without saying a work began to make out with red then and there. She was totally into it….and so was her (chunkier) friend, who I turned to and made out with as well, pushing any potential cockblock out of the realm of possibility. Then I started rapping with them…and the rap was all about going back to my friend’s apartment where I was staying while visiting the city. All confidence, charm and no bullshit about it. The chunky friend encouraged red to go with me…and she hopped into a car with me and three other guys she never met in her life, where her and I continued to make out.
Within an hour I had her in bed. Before we fucked, she needed to use the bathroom. She got out of the bunkbed we’d commandeered at my friend’s apartment but, unbeknownst to us, my friend’s dog had shit in the room,…and she stepped in it! She went to the bathroom and washed up while my friend cleaned up the dogshit, came back and was still good to go. We fucked all night. I did no toe-sucking.
The girl was about a 6.5…add half a point if you’re super into redheads, and I am. Turned out she was a 21 year old art student. Not particularly good in bed and clueless at giving a beej. But whatever. In retrospect, the keys to the pick up were already established chemistry from the eye contact at the bar and unrelenting confidence in the ultra direct approach and express rap/close. As I said though, I haven’t tried it since. Just never felt the vibe was right like it was that night.
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3. Look for signs of ovulation in your targets.
You should pay more attention to body language than to what she’s saying. Ovulating girls are the ripest picks for one night stands, and you’ll notice by how flushed she is when talking to you, how many times she crosses her legs or shifts her weight from one foot to the other, and how often she licks her lips or tugs at her hair whether her egg has embarked on its journey. Science has shown that ovulating girls tend to show more cleavage and thigh, so keep an eye out for miniskirts and low cut tops.
Or rely on instinct.
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-01/how-men-can-decode-womens-menstrual-cycles
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From personal experience, tight direct game is the way to go for cougars. What works for me with cougars explicitly does not work on younger girls.
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Forget direct game if you’re much older. Women will be forced to make an on-the-spot decision about you.
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