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Hugo Schwyzer’s Phony Feminism

February 9, 2012 by CH

Our favorite false flag limpwrist, Hugo Schwyzer, is licking the hairy taint of feminists once more in a vomitous piece about the popularity among men of “barely legal” porn. He really tries hard to put a feminist-friendly (read: anti-male) spin on the uncomfortable reality that men naturally prefer the stimulating sight of lithe, supple, fully ripe young women.

Across the web, videos and images featuring 18- and 19-year-olds — or actresses in their twenties trying to look younger — are by every measure the most in demand. “Teen porn” is the most common genre-specific term used in Google searches, and teen-themed videos dominate the top 25 most-viewed videos on YouPorn. (Link is absolutely NSFW.) […]

Beyond Derbyshire, the most common explanation given for adult men’s particularly intense attraction to teen girls is reproduction. But on closer scrutiny that theory falls apart. Women’s fertility peaks between 22 and 26, well after their “salad days” have come to a close.

The argument that men in their 30s, 40s, and beyond are evolutionarily hardwired to lust after girls just above or below the adulthood threshold has less merit than we think.

One alternative answer has much more to do with adult men’s anxiety than with their reproductive longings. In the fantasy world of “barely legal” pornography, the teen girl is an ingénue longing for sexual initiation at the hands and body of an experienced older man. For an older man (the average male porn user is over 30) perhaps intimidated by the erotic and emotional demands of his own female peers, the imagined naïveté of a much-younger woman is a source of comfort. The less experience she has, the less likely she’ll mock his clumsiness and the more likely she’ll appreciate whatever savoir-faire he does possess.

[ed: alert! feminist feelgood twaddle incoming] The reality is that only those who are wise and confident enough to challenge us can help us grow. Age isn’t just a number; that confidence and wisdom takes time to emerge. So when men eroticize the young, the tentative, and the innocent — for whatever reason — they’re possibly just eroticizing their own reluctance to accept adulthood and responsibility. In that scenario, everybody loses.

This guy can really fling the bullshit. Only someone with intimate knowledge of the subject of barely legal teens can so effortlessly BS his way into nonsensical alternate explanations for male sexual behavior that are otherwise easily explained by a naturally evolved male preference for peak fertility women with little baggage. After all, he’s gotta cover his ass for past, uh… indiscretions. As Bill Clinton understood, nothing distracts feminist attention from one’s own very unfeminist lifestyle like mouthing the platitudes feminists want to hear.

I was once a broken, bad man taking advantage of young women, but now I have seen the light! Praise the bog! Men suck! Men have issues! Men are intimidated by older women! Speaking of which, let’s you and I go for a drink after class today and discuss our mutual loathing of rape culture. I’ll pay just the tip. Heh heh heh.

First, Schwyster is wrong about women’s peak fertility. He pulled his number from Wikipedia which should be a clue to take it with a grain of salt. The age range varies in the studies I’ve seen, but basically most peg female peak fertility in the 18-24 year range. Since barely legal porn filmmakers, by law, can’t hire girls under 18, the most important premise of Schwyster’s argument falls apart before he’s even out of the gate. Instead of confirming Schwyster’s fevered pathologizing of normal male sexuality, the evidence that men prefer watching porn featuring 18-21 year old girls, who are within the peak fertility range, simply affirms the evolutionary theory that gives hives to feminists and feminist suck-ups like Schwyster.

Second, men lust for younger women because those women are less likely to be saddled with other men’s children, or to be pregnant by other men. A young woman’s implied virginity means that fucking her results in a greater chance that any kids she pops out will be that man’s kids. This is important to men, as evolutionary theory would conclude, because men, unlike women’s perfect knowledge of maternity, do not have guarantees of paternity. So men must rely on other signals, such as the youth, fidelity and relative inexperience of their lovers.

Anxiety, or that catch-all feminist trope “intimidation”, has got nothing to do with men’s preference for younger women. It’s all about the sexy biology. By way of analogy, if older men are intimidated by the “erotic and emotional demands” of their female peers, then using Schwyster’s reasoning we may assert that women, who exhibit preferences for higher status men and older men, are intimidated by the erotic and emotional demands of younger men and lower status men. Of course, no one ever makes that claim. Because it’s stupid on its face. Much like Schwyster’s claim that men are intimidated by older, less fertile, less attractive women is stupid on its face. Women aren’t attracted to lower status men, just as men aren’t attracted to older women.

Schwyster knows all this, too, which makes him a phonyfuck of the highest caliber. The guy spent his early years as a professor cashing in his higher status for the pleasure of fucking his 18-21 year old students. Maybe he is wracked with guilt, and his current ultrafeminist stance is his form of atonement. Or maybe (and more likely, in my view) his hypocritical feminist sycophancy is a ruse to get in the panties of the deluded naifs who take his classes.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that. The difference between me and a lickspittle errand boy like Schwyster is that I don’t go around claiming there’s something psychologically wrong with men for desiring the hot bods and feminine charms of young women. I don’t blame a guy like Schwyster for wanting to stick his dick in his peak fertility students, nor do I stroke feminist egos to earn PC brownie points and page views.

PS Hugo, word of advice. You can get a lot further with better looking, mentally stable women by not sucking up to them so badly. Chicks dig unapologetic men.

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  1. on February 9, 2012 at 2:22 pm Camelot007

    It disgusts me even to read this type of crap. It is so clearly aimed at making old and ugly women feel good about themselves. It is as if nothing can ever be the woman’s fault. Even the most basic and natural male desires engrained through thousands of years of evolution are wrong.

    This garbage group think is bad for any woman that reads it and believes it.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 7:03 pm Libertardian

      I didn’t even read it, at my age I can ill afford to kill any more brain cells reading mainstream tripe.

      Re: the Linday Lohan meet the wall link. My God, what a depressing cavalcade of ugly.
      Woody Allen: never understood why this guy was famous. Put him in the old folks’ home now.
      Heidi Klum: Hit the wall so hard, I bet it looks worse than she does.
      SJP: Does she split wood with her face?
      Liz Hurley: She must be sucking the Devil’s cock, because she actually looks pretty good.
      Rose Byrne: She should execute her hairdresser for playing up her manly features like that.

      I couldn’t go on, my eyes hurt.

      PS: If Churchill could jump forward 70 years and read the Daily Mail, he’d just say “fuck it” and surrender to the Germans. That rag is the definitive chronicle of the rotting of Western civilization.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 8:32 pm n/a

      Hi smiley cutie-pie in japanese hyper-pastoral vision!

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 1:54 am xsplat

      A clever marketer could make money off of that simple formula. Proclaim that men are doing it wrong, and missing the true treasure that is the older woman, and then sell a method for the older women to get their desired attention.

      Oh, wait – that’s what cosmetic salespeople do. Sell dreams to old ladies that if they just do x, the attentions of youth and beauty will be theirs again.

      Nearly any product sold to women sells them the same stupid dream.

      The fact is, every five years a fresh crop of talent is in the clubs. Every five years the same man can get the fresh talent.

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  2. on February 9, 2012 at 2:29 pm Sidewinder

    Hugo Schwyzer is pathetic. Like most short-sighted feminists, he thinks human history started in the 1970s. He seems to forget that for approximately 3000 years, SINCE RECORDED HISTORY, women have been married off and impregnated between the ages of 15-19. Even as soon as the 1950s and some traditional holdouts in the 1960s, “sweet 16” was seen as the approximate threshold into womanhood.

    From my own personal experience, age isn’t the “turn-on”. It is all the indications of fertility and low likelihood of infant/mother mortality that just so happen to correspond with youth. I wouldn’t give a crap about this Hugo and his issues if it weren’t for sex crime laws that stigmatize men for life for being attracted to, or having relationships with, fully matured young women under the age of 18. While it may not be socially appropriate if the man is much older, its not a sex crime indicative of some warped perversion. We are supposed to like young, fertile women. That’s what’s worked for thousands of years.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 5:14 pm Samuel

      across the span of humanity, the age of consent was TWELVE, including right here in the United States, until the 1890’s.

      In Colombia, right now, the age of consent is 14.

      So, if I bang a 16 yr old here in the USA, I am going to jail with a fully ruined life. If I do the same thing in Colombia, just a long walk away, then it’s totally fine, and even socially acceptable.

      The US Fembots keep trying to make lies true by shouting them repeatedly… but that doesn’t make them true.

      and not once will you see them acknowledge that a teen girl being under the tutelage, guidance, and provision of an older/wiser man could be immensely beneficial to her life and growth. But any critical thinker can see the truth of that as well…

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  3. on February 9, 2012 at 2:30 pm corvinus

    What the moralizers don’t get: it goes both ways. College girls are much more attracted to me now, when I’m 30 years old, than I was when I was their age (and a meek omega, not even a beta). I know it’s shocking, because it doesn’t fit the feminazi paradigm [sarcasm], but older man / younger woman has been the norm throughout all of human history. For one thing, it oftentimes takes that long for the man to build enough alpha character to be appealing, if he has not been raised an alpha or isn’t one intrinsically.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 2:43 pm lordphresche

      This. a million times.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 2:56 pm Maya

      +1

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 5:25 pm Ed the Department Head

      Well said and well done!

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  4. on February 9, 2012 at 2:31 pm Bronan the Barbarian!

    Who wants to rub one out to a wrinkly, has-been cougar? The answer: Nobody.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 4:03 pm Fred Rotten

      @ Bronan the Barbarian!

      “Who wants to rub one out to a wrinkly, has-been cougar?”

      Apparently the readers of Jezebel pretend WE do.

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  5. on February 9, 2012 at 2:32 pm tom

    i just read this article! glad you made a post about this

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  6. on February 9, 2012 at 2:46 pm ow

    Younger women are sexy as hell. Any junior high boy will tell you this. My first experience with a girl my age was at 5. It wa just kissing but I did feel some desire even at that age. I only date women 18+ FTR.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 3:47 am uh

      For some reason everyone is dancing around the great taboo.

      No, not that the Holocaust is a lie.

      I mean that under-18 teenagers are hotter than hell.

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 12:09 pm Tyrone

        The holocaust happened. My grandfather rented an apartment to a holocaust survivor when I was a young boy. He was half Jewish and a good, simple man. He spent 5+ years in camps as a laborer. They tended to survive if young and strong, because they were used to clean up the mess and were given 1700 calories a day versus 1500 or less for camp victims. I saw his tatoo but never found out he had been a camp until I was an adult. He didn’t want to tell me about it at the time. My mother also saw the SD round Jews up. I knew another SS man who had to help guard several thousand Jews being rounded up from Budapest. I get annoyed at the propaganda that distorts the holocaust and its victims mostly because it conveniently leaves out the other victims of the regime. I’m a German nationalist too.

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 11:10 pm Flip

        I don’t think anyone questions that the Germans sent some Jews to concentration/work camps. The dispute is over the supposed industrial extermination of 6 million with Zyklon B gas. That story doesn’t really hang together when you examine it.

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 3:59 pm Sara

        Really, though- you find kids under 18 attractive? I wouldn’t know, but I can’t imagine that you find girls that young attractive. A friend of mine, about 45 yrs, would never date a girl under 18. Probably not 19 either, mainly because he thinks teenage girls are immature.

        [heartiste: or mainly because he can’t.]

        20s, maybe.

        [you’d be rocked to your core if you knew how many older men would fuck hot teenage girls if they had the option to do so.]

        It’s not even that it’s against the law, its just that he doesn’t find girls that young appealing.

        [look up ‘sour grapes’ and get back to us.]

        And why under 18? Is there that big a difference between a 17 and an 18 year old? It sounds that you are more interested in “the lure of the forbidden.”

        [17 or 18 is splitting hairs. women are at their most desirable between 15 and 25, legality to the contrary notwithstanding. this fact of life is biological, not legalistic.]

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 10:28 am Anonymous

        I think there are guys out there that can pull lots of young girls, and do, but don’t necessarily prefer that young. A guy I know who is in his late forties regularly pulls girls from 18-30s (while he’s married) and has said in conversation that he likes 27-32 the best.

        I agree with you that the majority of men prefer 15-25 due to biological preference, but I’d say there is a significant minority of men that would rather have a woman who, while still young, has more experience and has at least somewhat grown out of the annoying kid stage.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 3:50 am uh

      To which taboo there is a very recent political dimension, of course.

      “Second Wave”, i.e. Jewish, feminism.

      By locking up fertile young women in the legal category “minors”, the feminists have effectively BANNED WHITE MEN (who largely abide) FROM THE MOST FERTILE AND ATTRACTIVE MATES.

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 1:31 pm Thor

        Actually, I suspect “uh” is right. One of the reason for
        the high age (18) age of consent in much of the Western
        world (especially most US states, by population) is
        probably that women of voting age don’t like the
        competition. Hint: In Sweden, the age is 15.
        (but go to 14 and you are dead meat).

        Thor

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  7. on February 9, 2012 at 2:49 pm 3,000 Miles

    “Maybe he is wracked with guilt, and his current ultrafeminist stance is his form of atonement. Or maybe (and more likely, in my view) his hypocritical feminist sycophancy is a ruse to get in the panties of the deluded naifs who take his classes.”

    The was my initial thought, too. It’s like when some man decries the porn industry, but then has an Asian-worth on his hard drive. And, I’m sure, Hugo was just scouting new talent when he checked out YouPorn.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 2:49 pm 3,000 Miles

      *That* was . . .

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 4:50 pm SGH

      Abso-fuckin-lutely! This has been dissected on this site brilliantly in the past, but guys like this see themselves as setting themselves apart from the rest of the male population. They love the pseudo-connection they get from the women’s studies 101 girls who feel like they have a guy/pussy who really understands their plight and how they’ve been “victimized”. And while they might, on occasion, get a little stinky-finger from these girls, they will always end up abandoned when the girl realizes that bring zero masculine value to the table.

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  8. on February 9, 2012 at 2:49 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    As I mentioned elsewhere, his “sensitive guy” routine is transparently contrived to lure unsuspecting feminists into bed. Also, his entire idea is suspect; from what people have told me, MILF porn is the big seller on porn sites, not “barely legal.” Think about this for a second — which phrase do you hear more?

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  9. on February 9, 2012 at 2:55 pm Black Rebel

    Hugo Schwyzer is a mangina who uses his status and manginaness to sleep with his coeds. In that regard, he is the worst kind of mangina; a successful one.

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  10. on February 9, 2012 at 2:57 pm Lara

    The erotic and emotional demands of a older woman are likely to be much less than that of a younger woman. I think men sometimes choose women closer to their own age for this reason alone.

    [heartiste: good point. schwyzer has it completely backwards. younger women, by virtue of their higher sexual market value, are more emotionally demanding of men. it takes a lot more effort and game to keep a young woman interested and attracted than it does to entertain an older woman with fewer options. of course, schwyzer is lying about this because he wants to continue fucking young feminist students who take his intellectually rigorous classes. ha, i do say.]

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 3:07 pm Maya the troll is at it again

      true. losers who can’t get hot girls choose washed-out women over 25.

      [heartiste: so george clooney is a loser? i mean, his current gf is 30 or 31.
      you have to control for the man’s age before you can make a sweeping claim that men who date women over 25 are losers, or that all women over 25 are “washed up”. a 60 year old like clooney who dates still-hot women thirty years his junior is a winner by nearly every metric. just because most women peak between 15 and 25 doesn’t mean there aren’t rare specimens who look great into their early 30s.
      maya this is the last time i’m warning you about your blatant trollery. one more slip up and you’re banned for one month.]

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      • on February 9, 2012 at 3:19 pm The Man of Mystery

        Not all women over 25 are washed out. I’m currently banging a 26 year old that is extremely supple, takes great care of herself, and has no visible wrinkles or sags. She is a solid 8, probably was a 9 five years ago. I’d hardly call that kind of very minor degeneration “washed out” though.

        Of course, the fact that she’s also an employee of my company and one of three girls that I employ that I’m banging (aged 19 (8 face, 6 body) and 23 (7 face, 9 body)) may add to the hotness factor. None of them know about eachother, but I’m working up to the foursome slowly and inching them in so I can then inch myself in (*snort*).

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      • on February 9, 2012 at 3:45 pm rudiger

        Where do you work that you can bang three of your employees and still keep it on the dl?

        Not trolling, just curious if I should consider a career change.

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      • on February 9, 2012 at 4:07 pm The Man of Mystery

        I own a small business. A sales & marketing firm (which attracts horny extravert types anyway). We have about 20 employees…most between 20 and 30.

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      • on February 9, 2012 at 3:29 pm Trouble

        Clooney is 50, not 60.

        [heartiste: check. point remains. the guy routinely dates primo women 20+ years younger than himself.]

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      • on February 9, 2012 at 9:36 pm john

        “…Maya this is the last time I’m warning you…” I bet her panties are soaked!

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 5:48 pm Maya

        Not at all.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 3:14 pm Maya

      @h.: yeah, this schwyzer is a fucking hypocrite. but maybe he’s not fucking his young students, that would be too much. probably he just likes the feeling that young women like him.

      [heartiste: he himself said he had affairs with his students. stop prevaricating, troll.]

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 5:10 pm SGH

      “The erotic and emotional demands of a older woman are likely to be much less than that of a younger woman.”

      Eh.

      It has been my experience that if the older woman was once coveted as a hottie in her youth she will carry the same delusional emotional demands with white-knuckles to her older years. Far more draining and sad. Couple this with her declining libido and you have absolutely every reason to buy a one way ticket the fuck out of there.

      Men choosing women their own age is usually the result of having no other choice. They have allowed themselves degenerate physically at an excessive rate, they have never had an ounce of self esteem, etc, etc, etc.

      One last note on the erotic demands of the younger woman and how it corresponds to “older men”. When I hit 35 (I’m now 40) my libido rocketed into the stratosphere. Easily doubling the levels that it was at in my early 20’s. And it has stayed there. This, I believe, was a direct result of a 6 days a week workout schedule, and a clean, 90% raw food diet, and refraining from sqwacking off on the shower walls every time I was horny. I say this because I think the same is possible for any guy who is willing to get off their ass and change their ways. Follow those 3 principles and I think you’ll find very hard time finding a younger woman who can wear the guy out.

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      • on February 9, 2012 at 9:39 pm john

        The alphas here like to consume meat! High protein = high T! Not so good raw! You wouldnt be a herb prevaricator would ya?

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 2:17 pm SGH

        John,
        Far from. I haven’t got a problem with real meat. Just make sure it’s from a clean source and not some goddamned vacuum sealed package, full of bullshit chemicals.

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 2:33 pm Lara

        Be careful, it would be a shame if a nice guy like you got food poisoning.

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 7:01 pm n/a

        Nice guys finish last. As you well know.–

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 1:40 am xsplat

        I’ve also had ups and downs in my libido, and a large boost to it in my mid thirties. I started to feel better after doing an anti-candida diet, and then after moving to SE Asia where my stress levels dropped considerably.

        An older man in good health can wear out several young girlfriends regularly.

        It’s fun to proclaim after a sex session “The winner of the contest!” based on who collapses first from exhaustion.

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  11. on February 9, 2012 at 3:09 pm Good Luck Chuck

    PS Hugo, word of advice. You can get a lot further with better looking, mentally stable women by not sucking up to them so badly.

    On a micro level, yes, but his strategy works on a macro level through status. And status trumps all; if you have high enough social value you can do and say things that lesser men must avoid at all costs.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 1:32 pm Thor

      Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. Dixit Henry Kissinger.

      Thor

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  12. on February 9, 2012 at 3:13 pm David

    “For an older man (the average male porn user is over 30) perhaps intimidated by the erotic and emotional demands of his own female peers, the imagined naïveté of a much-younger woman is a source of comfort. The less experience she has, the less likely she’ll mock his clumsiness”

    I think we all know why Hugo likes the young ones.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 3:34 pm 3,000 Miles

      “The less experience she has, the less likely she’ll mock his clumsiness.”

      Who the fuck cares? If some old bitch wants to mock someone, she should look at the clumsy cat among her thirteen. A bang is a bang.

      [heartiste: hugo is telling aging femcunts what they want to hear. but the truth is that older women’s mockery, like their looks, is invisible to men. the mockery of young women is what stings men.]

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  13. on February 9, 2012 at 3:18 pm Ollie

    I posted this on GLPiggy’s comment section already but I believe it’s worth re-posting here, in revised form:

    There are in my opinion, two reasons for the interest in MILF, BBW, amateur and other genres in which a sub-optimal partner is displayed.

    1. The first reason, which is often attributed as THE reason in its entirety by SWPL types, is the desire for variety. Truthfully, this desire for variety is not the main driver behind this, but a small component of what pushes men in this direction.

    2. The second, far more powerful, and far less talked about reason for this behavior is what I call “rejection fatigue”. When a certain class of woman rejects a man enough, it begins to retrain his standards downward, or at least away from women of that type. In a sort of Pavlovian way, a man might even develop a subconscious negative association with beautiful (thin, young) women that overrides or suppresses the evolutionary instincts and drive he was born with.
    Contrary to fembot dogma, a large component of a man’s drive in this area is indeed emotional. While guys need the physical aspect to get started, most all of us need an emotional aspect to finish. That is, even in the realm of imagination, we need to feel an element of connection. We need to feel handsome, desired, needed, wanted, and special. We need to feel some semblance of love. There is a reason why so many hopeless romantics in this world are men. Romance is an often overlooked part of what pushes the (especially beta) male drive, but it is central to many men’s psyches, and a nearly indispensable part of the fantasy. Let me add that, as much as the radfems want to characterize the male of the species as a cold, soulless machine, the truth is that this romantic impulse lies in all (excepting the small number of clinically psychotic men) men – even within the heart of even the most suave, successful PUA. What separates him from the frustrated beta chump is in this respect is that he has learned to control and temper this impulse with reason and self-control.

    The bottom line is that it is nearly impossible for the average guy to dream about a girl whom he damn well knows would laugh in his face the moment he said “hi”. The cold reality is just too powerfully ingrained in his head to override the suspension of disbelief that normally allows these fantasies to work. So, he instead focuses his thoughts on something more plausible.
    For many gentlemen, fantasy of this type is considerably more powerful when it is rooted in reality. The average guy would much rather take a sure thing with a 6 than bet the farm on a 9. As such, he’ll visualize the chubby, friendly girl at the checkout counter or the attentive, well-past-her-prime, but still attractive lady at the bank, rather than say, Katy Perry, whom he will simply never, ever have a chance with.

    To this, I add that:
    A. Older ladies are not more intimidating, but easier due to the wall and the subsequent loss of SMV.
    B. Were it not for rejection fatigue, the number of men visualizing 18-24, thin and beautiful would be considerably higher.
    C. The men who can visualize this category successfully often use the idea of “youthful innocence” to help provide the requisite suspension of disbelief.
    D. Were it not for rejection fatigue, the market for BBW, MILF, etc. would dry up.
    E. Rejection fatigue is more common in environments where there are on average, lower quality potential partners (i.e. the anglosphere).
    F. Rejection fatigue is also what drives men to settle for sub-optimal partners, like ol’ Timmy did,
    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/beta-of-the-month-asexual-purgatory/
    and countless other betas attached to women 20-30lbs. bigger than themselves do.
    G. Rejection fatigue does not destroy men’s instincts to find young, slim and pretty, it only suppresses them – ruthlessly.
    H. Game mitigates and reverses the damage done by rejection fatigue, mostly by boosting confidence and self-esteem.
    I. Billy Idol knows damn well what’s sitting inside your soul, and he isn’t chastising you for it, unlike Schwyster:

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 5:59 pm Harkat

      Nail on the fucking head.

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      • on February 9, 2012 at 9:10 pm delicioustacos

        Brilliant.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 12:07 am ru2586

      Yeah I vote this comment of the day.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 1:20 am xsplat

      Good work.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 3:21 pm Ollie

      one correction to my rant:
      “The cold reality is just too powerfully ingrained in his head to *allow* the suspension of disbelief that normally allows these fantasies to work. “

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 6:02 am doclove

        I’ll say this. Men want physically beautiful women more than younger women. Who wouldn’t want Monica Bellucci, age 47, born in 1964 or Heather Graham, age 42, born in 1970 over most young,18-24, year old women today? Most men would want Monica Bellucci and Heather Graham over most young women today. It is a given that we men would all very much physically desire Monica Bellucci and Heather Graham when they were 22 year old women than their present ages of 47 and 42 respectively. We all know that women are physically more beautiful when they are young than when they are old, but the physical beauty principle which I described still holds: men want physically beautiful women more than younger women.

        I will not deny your rejection fatigue because it is true. However there are caveats. Many men will not sleep with the younger women even when given the chance because they don’t want a relationship with them. If it was a no strings attached fuck buddy sport sex or a hired prostitute, they may want the younger women more provided there is no relationship beyond that. Many men do not have the energy or patience or knowledge of how to deal with the immaturity and bad behavior of younger women. You may say that older women aren’t necessarily more mature, and I agree. However, older women have run out of more options. Therefore older women are more likely to wear the mask of maturity even if they never internalized it. Most men would put maturity into a younger woman and keep her young and mature until the day she died if they could.

        Life is a tradeoff. Men have to choose their best options. Most men know they can’t have it all. Especially in the modern day developed 1st world nations of Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore,Austraila, New Zealand, Canada, Western European nations and especially the USA, women are falsely taught the error that they can have it all when most of them can not. First World nation men especially American men are less delusional on average than their women in this regard.

        The real problem is that too many 1st world men fall for the marriage trap believing that they will get sex, love and romance from their wives and that their wives won’t turn into harridans, gold-diggers and cheating(adulterous) sluts. This is not remotely true. For most men pick at least one negative trait I listed (harridan, gold-digger and cheating slut), and it will be true. You can even insert these negative traits for a girlfriend instead of a wife in the long run. Foreign women from poorer countries are generally speaking better, but the same negative traits still exist albeit in a leeser degree because they’ve been trained to put others(husbands and childrens) needs and even desire above their own on at least some occasions. Our Women do not do this nearly as much. I wonder if marriage and childbirths would fall dramatically in the USA to the levels of say Germany if prostitution was more available in the USA. My answer is yes because the betas and omegas could get sex without having to marry or have a girlfriend or worse wife. I’d love to have a wife and children, but not in today’s world, and I know I would have been as happily as anyone can be married with children be married happily with children not so long ago. Most other men in 1st world nations can say the same. Therefore, I highly suggest that men don’t get married and don’t impregnate and don’t run into trouble with women concerning the law and job etc. instead of marriage and having children. Maybe Cohabitating with or certainly impregnating a woman can be worse than getting married and having no children, but I’ll leave it up to you to figure out why or I’ll explain on a different day. My suggestion is to treat women as cum dumpsters certainly without impregnating or marrying or maybe cohabitating with them.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 4:54 pm anonymous

        I would take any random college freshman as long as she wasn’t fat over old washed up belucci or graham.

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      • on February 16, 2012 at 4:13 pm doclove

        I respect your choice because there is merit to it. Men are instinctually strongly attracted to younger women because of their greater fertility and ability to have healthy full term pregnancies. However, I hope you understand that men are more attracted to beauty than youth because beauty is the best proxy men had in the past(e.g. stone age) to fertility and the viability of healthy pregnancies. Monica Bellucci and Heather Graham were extreme outliers for physical beauty even in their twenties, and they certainly are now in their forties. I realize that Heather Graham and Monica Bellucci are false positives in the fact that they are probably infertile and certainly are less able to have healthy pregnancies now, but most men would still instinctually not conscously think they are more desirable because their beauty signals fertility, health and ability to have successful healthy pregnancies even though in reality this is not the case. Of course youth and physical beauty are extremely highly correalated, but they are not necessarily intrinsicly inter-connected. There are very few false positive women like Monica Bellucci and Heather Graham who can trick men either consciously or unconsciously to pursue the older more physically attractive woman over the younger less physically attractive woman, but they do exist. Men are more instinctually, animalisticly and primaly driven in the initial attraction than women too, and this is why men are both more instantly desirous of what they see and want what looks better(visual attraction plays a bigger role for men than women) than women. I still contend most men are attracted to physical beauty in women over youth.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 1:15 pm Ollie

        Good points. You are definitely right about the value of perceived beauty relative to age. Also, I will keep those caveats in mind.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 7:02 pm King A

      This is real? Men are so beat-down that they dare not even allow rebellion into their fantasies?

      I find it difficult to believe, but it wouldn’t be the first time I was shocked by how far down the rabbit hole some denatured souls have gone.

      We should start a ribbon campaign for “Rejection Fatigue Awareness.” Make it cum-colored. Solidarity with my brothers! Never let the bitches get you down!

      How could anyone let the bitches get him down, though? Rejections are lessons and opportunities. I suppose the sting of the rebuff focuses one type of man and crushes another; toughens the one, pulverizes the other. Man up. There’s always more trim comin’ round. Doesn’t everybody know by now? Life is a carousel.

      I wonder if the word really is getting out. Are we overestimating the influence of this echo chamber?

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 1:12 pm Ollie

        Yes, my friend, it’s real. It’s sick and sad, but it’s entirely real. You probably have very tight game and good self confidence, so it seems silly to you, but to the average beta it is an utterly impenetrable reality.

        The average beta does not know of the Venusian arts, and he is adrift in a harsh sea of confusion, begging to take any way out. He does not understand why he cannot succeed, has given up, and is thankful for the few scraps he gets – because in his mind it is never, ever, going to get any better. This helplessness and hopelessness is a lot like what those in cults (who routinely do amazingly self-abasing things you or I would laugh at) feel. The only difference is that this cult, the cult of feminism, is heavily supported by the academic, political and media establishment. If Scientology got half the support that the fembots did, it would be THE dominant religion in America. The fembot message is ever-present and almost-inescapable – a lie repeated so often it is the de-facto truth for so many. That’s why so many MRM types like to use the whole “red pill” analogy. The fembot program is so ubiquitous that average man is totally, cluelessly immersed in it, like the matrix, and he needs an external, Morepheus-type character to help him snap out.

        Is the word getting out?
        Betadom combined with fembot cultural hegemony, is a vicious form of mind control, and we are slowly but surely breaking those chains.

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  14. on February 9, 2012 at 3:27 pm Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    Even if the woman’s fertility were to peak in the mid twenties, it would make evolutionary sense for the males to be driven by the instinct to pair bond and lay claim to a mate earilier in her reproductive career in order to churn out babies for the entirety of the fertile lifetime – not just after the lady is reaching her peak as the window starts closing.

    So in short I think in understand the instinct that drives men to desire fresh young delicately tart and juicy apples to those which might be at their peak of sweetness but are well on their way to becoming something wrinkly skinned dried out mealy nastiness that one spits out. Another thing, those apples that have been hanging on the tree so long, there is probably something wrong with them – a worm or another defect perhaps. Otherwise wouldn’t somebody have already picked them?

    I was confessing to my psychiatrist my “sleazy” fascination with ladies much younger than myself – much younger than I feel comfortable or decent about hitting on. He explained that at my core, (and inside everyone else for that matter) there is still an insecure pimply teenager. Humbert Humbert agrees.

    I don’t know why the gays are tolerated for their own inborn sexual preferences, but men like this Schwyzer joker have to put on this ridiculous charade to pretend to not find young ladies delicious. And the hypocrisy of this Schwyzer wanker is absolutely outrageous.

    Maybe we should steal a page from all the gay pride and proudly shout from the rooftops – “We find teen girls hot! We can’t help it…, because… ‘We were born that way.”

    For the time being I’ll stay in the closet on this. Going public about my hebephilia – even if I would never act on this instinct (I’m a well trained docile beta after all) would be hazardous to my livelihood, endanger my freedom and risk social ostracism more than any LGTBQYNAPHFRDetc. currently suffers.

    So we stew in our secret shame.

    By the way check out this discussion by my favorite Bastard Shrink Blogger…
    http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/02/pedophilia_is_normal_because_o.html

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  15. on February 9, 2012 at 3:27 pm The Man of Mystery

    It’s pretty simple. MILF porn is a novelty, and it’s only there for the “this is so wrong” crowd that gets off on railing against the status quo. From a purely aesthetic perspective, younger women win on basically EVERY category. I’m thankful that I’m a man, and that my SMV goes up over time. Of course, this is just Chateau dogma that has been reiterated many, many times.

    We’re just waiting for the feminists to listen. Then again, I’m not sure they have ears…or eyes.

    I’m 29 right now…I am in the best possible position agewise as a man. If I were a woman, the wall would be fast approaching. *self high-five*

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  16. on February 9, 2012 at 3:31 pm Trouble

    How does Hugo still have a penis?

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 8:50 pm Chuck Rudd

      he still has the penis, but not the foreskin. he got a circumcision at the age of 35 in order to present a fresh dong to his 4th wife.

      in the same vein, he calls himself “eirasexual” (i think that’s the spelling). his wife is named Eira.

      http://glpiggy.net/2011/07/15/circum-schwyzen/

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  17. on February 9, 2012 at 3:36 pm Chuck Rudd

    What I find interesting about Schwyzer’s post is that he trots out the psychobabble to explain why men lusting after younger females is a form of paraphilia – a sickness – while leaving homosexuality and all sorts of kinks untouched. If we criticize those behaviors we are practicing the dark art of ‘normativity’.

    But also men are attracted to younger women because of something akin to imprinting. Chicks of that age were the ones that men first came into contact with, lusted over, fantasized about, and jerked off to. As I put it elsewhere “the females that he masturbates to now remind him of the ones he masturbated to from his math class whose panty shot remains forever spackled to the bedroom wall of his prefrontal cortex.”

    [heartiste: maybe, but if so, it’s no coincidence that a man’s strongest imprinting is with teenage and early 20s girls. there aren’t many mem imprinting their first sexual experiences with cougars, after all. something similar may also be going on with women and their cherished memories of long-ago alpha flames. as men are wired to “imprint” hot nubile chicks, women are wired to imprint sexy, badboy alpha males.]

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 1:22 pm So, do the Zonk

      “… women are wired to imprint sexy, badboy alpha males.”

      A female friend of mine got boned over one Summer by a guy far above her SMV — a true natural Alpha. This was almost 30 years ago. I have never been with her when this guy’s name did not come up, wistfully.

      After that, nothing was ever good enough. In a way, it was a life destroying experience for her.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 1:44 pm Thor

      To CH, on imprinting. I read somewhere that for background music,
      you are best off playing the tunes that were hot, new and popular
      when your female partner came of age sexually, i.e. around 16 or so.
      [corollary: If she IS around 16 or so and you live in an
      appropriate jurisdiction, play what is popular, new and hot NOW]

      I ran this by my wife (I am now a widower) and she enthusiastically
      agreed – and she was very far from 16 at the time, but still very
      musically talented.

      The principle might be extended to areas other than music,
      but music is a good start.

      Thor

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  18. on February 9, 2012 at 3:36 pm askjoe

    Wow, the feminists are not going lightly into the night. The shrieking of the over the hill crowd will just keep getting louder and insaner.

    Also, I noticed the starvation trend as a way to combat aging and fattiness. Too bad this path leads to some gangly, stringy bodies. There’s got to be a healthy diet for the ladies that doesn’t conflate gaunt with fit.

    Now that LiLo’s hit the wall at 25, is she going to go full feminuts too? Or will she just find another ugly dyke to settle down with for good? Just what is the SMV of a worn out starlet? I guess other dykes will, as women, be attracted to fame, like straight ones would be as well?

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 5:32 pm SGH

      askjoe,

      “Also, I noticed the starvation trend as a way to combat aging and fattiness. Too bad this path leads to some gangly, stringy bodies. There’s got to be a healthy diet for the ladies that doesn’t conflate gaunt with fit.”

      This the lazy-assed way women try and combat fattiness. If they were to munch a healthy natural diet and lift weights in the gym rather than walking on fucking treadmills and elliptical trainers, we would see a vastly different breed of older women in our society.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 1:50 pm Thor

      My wife pointed out that as women age, they
      have a choice, keep a nice face OR a nice body.

      The former benefits from subcutaneous fat that
      suppress wrinkles etc, the latter does not.

      And you can – if you care – control the total amount
      of subcutaneous fat, but AFAIK there is no way to
      control WHERE it goes.

      Note: where body fat
      goes varies with primarily gender but also by
      race.
      White women ->Thighs, maybe hips
      (real hips, sideways out),
      Black women -.> Rump

      Men-> Mostly potbelly, Evopsych suppressed
      potbellies in women as it can make them look
      already pregnant.

      YMMV

      Thor

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  19. on February 9, 2012 at 3:36 pm Inkraven

    Sailer’s Law of Female Journalism in action. I’m treating Schwyzer as a woman for obvious reasons.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 3:22 pm LBK

      Schwyzer would probably be excited to be treated as a woman.

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  20. on February 9, 2012 at 3:37 pm Tschafer

    This Schwyzer guy is such a putz, he’s not even worth wasting electrons on. Typical hypocritical “male feminist”, extolling the glories of older women while ploughing his nubile students. It is to laugh…

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  21. on February 9, 2012 at 3:40 pm rudiger

    The irony is that they’re blatantly stereotyping 18- and 19-year-old girls as more naïve, less confident and less wise than older women. In reality, younger women are just as confident and wise, though less bitter and more optimistic, since they haven’t been getting pumped & dumped for years nor facing declining physical attractiveness like their older counterparts

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 9:02 pm Girl

      I don’t think people get less wise/mature with age, it’s just that some people were never mature to begin with and this only becomes more obvious as they age. You see can this on reality shows like “Teen Mom” and “Real Housewives” where the same brattiness, selfishness, and attention-whoring is apparent in despite the age difference between the casts. It’s just that this behavior is more excusable and acceptable in teenagers than grown women. OTOH, there are 13 year olds who are lightyears more mature than either group and I have no doubt their mindset will continue to mature with age.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 12:53 am xsplat

      Ya, the myth of the mature women. Women don’t mature. They just get old.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 7:28 pm King A

      I was going to say, rudiger, that holding a conversation with a teenage girl is a serious challenge. And that’s admittedly one thing mature ladies got going for them.

      But then I thought about it for three seconds and realized: holding a conversation with any female, young or old, is tedious to the point of suicide. If you’re not flirting at some level, you’re slowly suffocating in a miasma of their relentless vapidity. No, do tell me what you think about Whitney Houston! (while I contemplate how sweet the release of death must have been for her)

      So, point taken. We overestimate the wisdom that comes with wrinkles. Even the more experienced and therefore more sophisticated flirting of older women isn’t so much better that it makes up for the advantages their younger sisters retain. And this is discounting the physical edge completely: a girls’ affectations of innocence-trying-hard-to-be-worldly is still so much cuter than the worldly trying hard to be innocent.

      It’s a clean sweep across the board. How sad.

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  22. on February 9, 2012 at 3:44 pm askjoe

    Also, the intimidation factor. As in “men are intimidated by a magnetic, successful [blah blah vivacious blah] older women”

    This is so insane it’s not even wrong.

    Every man, every advice blog for men, has to deal with or provide advice for approach anxiety. That AA is for hot girls. AA is because a guy is intimidated. There aint no AA for older, mature women. Women who think this have no fucking clue how men operate. Men who respout it have no penis.

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  23. on February 9, 2012 at 3:44 pm NoQuarterForCatLadies

    Spot on in nearly everything, but disagree that he’s wracked with guilt. I think it’s far more likely that he’s a wannabee submissive. He’s clearly entranced by S&M – he’s got a whole tag for it on his blog:

    http://www.hugoschwyzer.net/tag/bdsm/

    He claims he’s never done it – but obviously has a more than passing interest in it if he’s writing that much about it. All the articles he writes are basically self-flagellation about how men are terrible and women should be worshiped by men. He’s just a whiny pussy who wants a dominant woman to punish him and make him lick his own cum off her leather boots at whip-point – but instead of “manning” up and finding one, he foists his weird fetishes off on the rest of us in the form of blog articles fantasizing about men in society getting fucked with a metaphorical strap-on by women in society in every possible way he can think of.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 4:04 pm Chuck Rudd

      he has admitted that he’s dabbled in dick…not that there’s anything wrong with that.

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      • on February 9, 2012 at 5:10 pm John Norman Howard

        The hell there ain’t… albeit only slightly more off-putting than his writing.

        Feh.

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      • on February 9, 2012 at 10:20 pm corvinus

        So… in other words, he’s a fag. Figures.

        From personal observation, a large fraction of fags are omegas who didn’t really fit in with any group of straight guys and were talked into taking it up the a$$ by older fags.

        They are NOT the highest-quality men, as the newsmedia commonly make us try to believe. There’s a reason most of them are flaming liberal: they are omega and subscribe to all feminist b.s.

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 1:40 pm corvinus

        An addendum to my earlier point: many liberal omegas are undoubtedly tempted into faggotry because: 1) they suddenly become accepted by SWPLs where straight omegas wouldn’t, 2) they suddenly become accepted by women where straight omegas wouldn’t, and 3) it’s consistent with their far-leftist political viewpoints. Conservative guys who find themselves sinking into omegadom try their hardest to change their ways, i.e., “man up”.

        I know of several guys who became gay or (in one case) transgender this way. (Oddly enough, they are disproportionately of mixed race as well.)

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 9:54 pm Anonymous

        When I was in a near-sexless beta marriage I started to think I might be gay or trans. After the divorce, my first sex was with an old fat chick, I still wasn’t 100% sure. Several experiences with younger women – sex with a girl 9 years younger than me, make out with one 11 years younger, flirting with 15 years younger – convinced me that I was all make and was going to stay that way.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 5:07 pm LBK

      Ugh. I followed that link and was greeted by Hugo’s pathetically omega face. I saw it and threw up. He is a caricature of a limp-wristed no-balls etc etc pantywaist nancy-boy. I wish i could un-see the horror.

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  24. on February 9, 2012 at 3:57 pm Fred Rotten

    Schwyzer writes, “So when men eroticize the young, the tentative, and the innocent — for whatever reason — they’re possibly just eroticizing their own reluctance to accept adulthood and responsibility.”

    See, eighteen-year-old girls couldn’t possibly be eroticized for the simple fact that they’re eighteen-year-old girls. However it’s perfectly reasonable for Schwyzer to suggest that a man’s RELUCTANCE may be eroticized.

    Never, EVER, in my entire life has my ‘reluctance to accept adulthood and responsibility’ given me a boner.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 9:58 pm Libertardian

      Sorry, Schwyzer, in this case a cigar is just a cigar.

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  26. on February 9, 2012 at 3:58 pm William

    Hugo’s the same guys who said…

    – He “raped” a woman.
    – He was in a relationship with a lesbian who cheated on em.
    – That woman who looked at every man they interacted with as a “rapist” were justified, while at the same time saying that men in leader positions at work should get over their fear of being falsely accused to mentor woman.

    He even talked about cougars…
    “Why Cougars Are Better Than Silver Foxes”
    http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/why-cougars-are-better-than-silver-foxes/

    “I’m not saying that every older woman/younger man relationship is inherently progressive while every older man/younger woman coupling is oppressive and reactionary. A great many young women do exercise great agency in relationships with older men. But there’s no escaping that given who has power in our culture, the reality is that the potential for abuse and exploitation is likely to be much higher in an age-disparate relationship where it is the man who is the elder of the lovers.”

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 4:15 am Art Vandelay

      You forgot the story about him almost killing a girlfriend and him and a former fling conspiring to cuckold an unwitting victim.

      That guy should be flung in prison, and it it’s just to gain a first hand account of what rape-culture looks like.

      [heartiste: i read that right after the post was done. yeah, he deserves all the mockery the world can dump on him.]

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  27. on February 9, 2012 at 4:09 pm PR

    a professor banging his student is very different transaction than a john banging a whore. the john has to wear a rubber.

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  28. on February 9, 2012 at 4:15 pm William

    “The Accidental Rapist”
    http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/the-accidental-rapist/

    “At first, I didn’t know what she meant. She spoke so softly I had to lean across the table to hear her. “I don’t want to hurt your feelings,” she said, “but sometimes I really don’t want to have sex. Sometimes I do, but not as often as you want it. And sometimes I want to tell you ‘no,’ but I can’t bring myself to do it. So I try and send you signals, hoping you can just tell how I’m feeling. But that doesn’t work, so it’s… it’s just easier to say ‘yes’ or just say nothing at all.”
    My face flushed. I felt nauseated. I thought instantly of the previous night, where we’d grabbed what I thought was a hot half-hour when my roommates were both gone. Katie had seemed so passionate when we’d been making out, but then gotten very quiet once all our clothes were off. I’d told myself she wanted to have one ear cocked for the sound of a key in the door. I hadn’t considered—or hadn’t wanted to consider—the more obvious possibility: she was trying to tell me that she didn’t want to have sex.
    I looked out the window. I couldn’t meet Katie’s eyes. My gaze fixed in the distance, my voice trembling, I asked what seemed the only possible question: “Are you trying to tell me I raped you?”

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 7:37 pm Fred Rotten

      Dear Lord, I just followed the link and gave “The Accidental Rapist” a look-see. That kind of bullshit is like Super Carbo Overload for the mind– it leaves me feeling fatigued, irritable, and unhealthy.

      Also it gave me the shivers because it reminds me that there was a time in my young life when I would have fallen for that crap hook, line, and sinker.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 9:42 pm Miss_Fu

      LOL! He’s his own worst nightmare!

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 10:10 pm Libertardian

      Yep, Hugo, you’re a rapist. Please slap a pair of handcuffs on yourself and go stand in line at the nearest pound-me-in-the-ass prison until they have room to let you in. You can boo-hoo all you want in there, and the rest of us can get on with our lives.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 12:58 am LBK

      She’s manipulating the hell out of him and the doofus doesn’t even know it. On the other hand, he might just have invented the whole story as a prop for his ideology.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 4:58 am Libertardian

      The more I think about this, the more it amazes me. We’re approaching a level of ideological hysteria not seen since Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany, the Salem witch trials, or revolutionary France. People will look back on this period and marvel yet again at the inexplicable and frightening spectacle of a hitherto successful society tearing itself to pieces for the sake of some seemingly comical delusion.

      [heartiste: prosperity breeds contempt.]

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 2:53 pm Fred Rotten

        @ Libertardian

        I take your warning VERY seriously. I’m sure you’ve taken notice of recent examples of ideological hysteria reported by the mainstream press, like the Komen/Planned Parenthood fracas and the Roland Martin/GLAAD situation.

        And now we have a judiciary that apparently has the power to override the decisions which voters have already made by way of democratic procedings. Add to that the growing hysteria over ‘hate speech’ and it becomes bone-chillingly clear how close we are to having our cherished liberties and core values (individual freedom; limitations on state power; a uniform and transparent application of the law, etc) owned by a small but terribly destructive group of sexually and psychologically broken people.

        I’ve done Google searches along the lines of, “What constitutes ‘hate speech’?,” and, “Who decides what ‘hate speech’ is?” (give it a try if you feel up to it– but be forewarned, it ain’t pretty). What I find is both preposterous and unsettling. It very quickly becomes apparent that the real point of ‘hate speech’ legislation is to advance the arbitrary extension of state power into everyday life. If some sort of authorized “Hate Speech Patrol Bureau” became a reality, the presumption is you might be–*anyone* might be–an offender. It would be a matter of “guilty until proven innocent” (which no one really every is).

        It would be a matter of subordinating life to state bureaucracy– *they* decide what ‘hate speech’ is, as well as who shall be found guilty of it’s utterance and who shall not. The sheer *arbitrariness* will heighten the uncertainty, which heightens the sense of helplessness, which increases dependency on the state.

        And let’s not even get started on how awful things will become if internet cencorship legislations start to gain momentum!

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  29. on February 9, 2012 at 4:21 pm 1n4001

    Let barely-legal porn be subset of porn
    barely-legal is still legal
    all porn sold in the US is required to be legal
    Therefore barely-legal porn is porn
    []

    problem solved.

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  30. on February 9, 2012 at 4:32 pm Tschafer

    “This is so insane it’s not even wrong.”

    That line pretty well sums up most comments by feminists, especially the alleged male ones.

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  31. on February 9, 2012 at 4:33 pm Patrick

    The amount of bullshit this guy shovels is impressive, really.

    As somebody else mentioned, the attraction to the early-stages of female fertility is pretty easy to explain — it’s an appreciating investment.

    Fucking a woman at her statistical fertility peak is at best a short-term investment trade-off which carries ever-diminishing returns going forward, thus 24-year-old women, while still appreciably hot, are at a marked disadvantage to their 18 year old competition.

    This is born out in the experience of many men who date young women. My 21-year-old girlfriend is monumentally jealous of 19 year old’s I’ve flirted with, simply because they are younger — though marginally so compared to myself, 33 — but not so much worried at about women my own age or even a few years older than herself. Biology explains why.

    The women who complain so loudly about this do so because they know full well the power of youth, as they too were once young, and they too once leveraged their outsized appeal to men in a multitude of ways.

    Only aging feminists get righteously indignant about it.

    My favorite line that Hugo writes is:

    “they’re possibly just eroticizing their own reluctance to accept adulthood and responsibility.”

    HAHA! He may as well have just said that dating old, used up whores is a serious drag, because it is. His use of “adulthood and responsibility” is just another way of saying betahood domestication in service to some nagging, leathery old slag.

    “For an older man (the average male porn user is over 30) perhaps intimidated by the erotic and emotional demands of his own female peers, the imagined naïveté of a much-younger woman is a source of comfort.”

    Is it any surprise that the average male porn user is “over 30”? This is not some statistical revelation. Men stay fertile and horny pretty much continuously from approximately age 15 to 60 and beyond. Of course older men are going to disproportionately make up the ranks of porn users. But 18 year olds aren’t shying away from teen porn either. So right off the bat his statistical argument to portray affinity for young women as the province of dirty old men is 100% crap.

    As for the “intimidated by the erotic and emotional demands” what more do you need to say? WHO THE FUCK wants to be with a demanding old cunt let alone find her erotic?

    Women’s “emotions” aren’t a “challenge”. They’re a goddamn nuisance which are only tolerated when she’s young and hot and you’ve got game and hand to counteract them. Take away the hot part, and what’s the point?

    This guy’s sure making a fantastic argument for why sleeping with barely legal chicks should be the prescription for romantic bliss.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 10:04 pm Libertardian

      “The women who complain so loudly about this do so because they know full well the power of youth, as they too were once young, and they too once leveraged their outsized appeal to men in a multitude of ways.”

      Bingo. It’s funny how these same women – who now shriek and screech about the “dirty old men” in their own age group boffing younger chicks – wouldn’t give those same men the time of day in their teens and twenties…because they were, guess what, spreading their legs for older men with more status and money.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 1:22 am xsplat

      Great comment.

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  32. on February 9, 2012 at 4:41 pm Fred Rotten

    ASEXUALS ARE TOTAL FREAKS!!!

    oops, sorry… wrong post.
    (*blush*)

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 5:50 pm driveallnight

      STOP JUDGING AND SPREADING HATE! I HOPE SOMEONE CUTS YOUR DICK OFF! YOU ARE A TOTAL ASSHOLE!

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      • on February 9, 2012 at 10:29 pm Ben

        FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKK HOUNDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 3:18 pm Ollie

        Did someone call my name?

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  33. on February 9, 2012 at 4:48 pm T

    “Women’s “emotions” aren’t a “challenge”. They’re a goddamn nuisance which are only tolerated when she’s young and hot and you’ve got game and hand to counteract them. Take away the hot part, and what’s the point?”

    brilliantly stated.

    i remember dating an older broad (about 30) when i was younger (about 23). she was one of these chicks who modeled herself after Carrie on SATC (this was back when the show was in its infancy) and always had to be at the coolest parties and always had to be “on.” her narcissism and neediness were fucking unbearable and i dumped her sorry ass after a few weeks. she told all of her friends i was “intimidated” by her [chuckle].

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 5:10 pm Patrick

      T –

      That’s some pretty standard jaded-woman face saving and self-delusion. Even though the flesh sags and the cellulite piles on, the hamster NEVER slows down.

      The entire time I was seeing an older woman in her early 30s (who could pass for 24), I still screwed around with younger women on the side, and eventually dumped her when the younger pursuits were too numerous to justify continuing to pump a wall-ready woman.

      So Mr. Schwyzer’s critique is full of shit. Older women don’t offer anything that’s not severely outweighed by their rapidly diminishing sex appeal — which is to say, their fertility.

      I hypothesize that the fabled (i.e. crap) “peak of feminine sexuality” at 35+ is just the endocrine system’s last-ditch effort to maximize the waning fertility of aging women, as insurance against childlessness. They’re flooded with testosterone to make them fuck machines, willing to sleep with younger men that they wouldn’t have even considered a few years before. It’s pretty funny to witness first hand.

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      • on February 9, 2012 at 7:40 pm Nicole

        It is just a fable. There are exceptional high drive women, but those women had a high sex drive since puberty. Even they will tell you that it isn’t what it was in their 20’s when the coochie literally ached if they didn’t get any for awhile. It would take weeks to get to that point though.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 10:21 am passingby

      Hell, it goes back farther than that. In high school, some chick I would normally have stayed away from got my attention for a night. I avoided her after that, because she was just not attractive to me; it was only booze that got her one night with me.

      She informed our common friends that I was not able to handle a confident woman like her, who was a whole two years older than me. Truth is, when sober, she was insufficiently attractive to me for me to bother.

      That was decades ago, so this story women tell about confidence scaring away men is older than SATC.

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  34. on February 9, 2012 at 5:04 pm Graham

    A few harpies there said that men like teenage girls because they’re “naive” and “powerless”. I would say that, tendentious language aside, they’re onto something: replace naive with “innocent” and powerless with “naturally submissive”. The truth is that these girls aren’t yet fucked out, shameless and mechanized by a few years in college, riding the carousel, and that’s a major part of their appeal. This connects back with what CH said about being saddled with other men’s children.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 10:07 pm Libertardian

      Better yet, just say “Yep. Naivete and power imbalances (in my favor) are hot.” Walk away with an evil chuckle.

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  35. on February 9, 2012 at 5:10 pm Stuki

    If each man was blessed with one ejaculation, hitting the exact point of a woman’s peak fertility would matter. Those with slightly deeper reservoirs have evolved to catch as much of the high fertility plateau extending from 16-26 (or whatever) as possible.

    Since women are designed to pair bond with their lovers, peak attractiveness WILL occur prior to peak fertility. That way, she maximizes her chances of getting a maximally high value mate throughout her peak fertility years.

    If actual, momentary fertility was the sole driver of attractiveness, women on the pill, or menstruating would overnight turn into monsters. Makes no sense to me, either.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 7:41 pm (r)Evoluzione

      The first two paragraphs contain some very astute observations that correlate well with existing fertility research. This is a solid line of reasoning.

      The last paragraph is (or ought to be) so tongue-in-cheek, you might be able to lick your own earlobes. Menstruating women are often either bitchy monsters or weepy messes. Women taking exogenous hormone, i.e. the pill, do get emotionally wacko, especially those with the implantable ones, like the Nuviring and Norplant.

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 2:12 pm Thor

        Studies show (OK, libcant, but true anyway) that women
        on the pill are different.

        Remember “on the pill” is hormonally roughly equivalent with “pregnant”.

        Thus you get:

        1) Lower sex drive (but YMMV), somewhat obscured by the fact they
        do not have to worry about pregnancy.

        2) A shift in preferences in men. They are now not so much seeking
        sex as they are seeking security (but will give the former to get
        the latter). Test of smell preference (has been done, with worn
        T-shirts). Note A lot of the animal kingdom, very much including
        humans, have an MHC cluster in the DNA. Natures version of
        tracking who is who, her version of Social Security Number
        or equivalent. Probably to reduce the risk of a microbe epidemic
        where the microbe would find a human-like protein shell and evade
        the body’s defenses. This nasty scenario is foiled by that each
        human is different.

        Pregnant or on-the-pill: Prefers men with similar MHC, securtity

        Not pregnant, and not on the pill: Prefers men with unlike MHC.
        Avoids inbreeding.

        Thor

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  36. on February 9, 2012 at 5:15 pm Sidewinder

    This kind of thinking is a big reason why white europeans are demographically disappearing. The only subset of white europeans that are demographically expanding are mormons, and guess what, they like their women young.

    Do you think the Mexican and Muslim women are waiting until they pass the bar exam or to finish their dissertation to have their one and only child? Hell no. A society focused on growth would celebrate female youth and beauty, and encourage strong patriarchs taking young brides. What’s odd is that we WORSHIP female youth with plastic surgery, highlighting hair, wearing bras, high heels and makeup, while on the other hand verbally assaulting the natural male attraction to those indicators of youth and fertility.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 6:39 pm Fred Rotten

      @ Sidewinder:

      “What’s odd is that we WORSHIP female youth with plastic surgery, highlighting hair, wearing bras, high heels and makeup, while on the other hand verbally assaulting the natural male attraction to those indicators of youth and fertility.”

      Damn, that’s a good point. And it’s one of those things that’s so obvious that it’s sitting in plain view, right in front of my face, and yet I still didn’t make the connection.

      Truly, my life has become so much better and clearer since I found this site.

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  37. on February 9, 2012 at 5:22 pm Tmason

    Even many of the commenters on Jezebel called him on the bullshit.

    But this viewpoint is gaining momentum. It’s a slick way of dealing with the problem of older women having less options.

    Just demonize the default choice for men and force them to date/marry down.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 6:38 pm 1n4001

      I’m ok with being a devil if thats the case. Each side always wants to flip the script in their favor, but #BiomechanicsIsGod.

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 8:08 am Nicole

        What’s messed up about that is Nature is already in everyone except the incredibly stupid or defective’s favor. It practically pushes people down a red carpet sprinkled with rose petals but sided by angry impatient imps with pitchforks, to survive.

        From our instincts to our appetites we are creatures built for loving, laughing, and fighting. What sucks the most about any human who sucks is that they think they are somehow going to find a better way of living than Nature has already outlined for us.

        I don’t understand why older women are threatened by men preferring younger women outside of the context of so many older women being late starters who are choosing career over family. They want Nature to change to fit their schedule instead of adjusting their plans to fit the realities of Nature.

        What frightens me is that because millions of men are being convinced to consider trannies a feminine ideal, they just might succeed in making old the new okay. This will ruin things not just for the men who would be convinced to aim below their potential in youth, experiential freshness, and looks, but for women who would be convinced to aim below their potential in that special older, stable man’s balance of affection, resources, and dominance.

        The subtext of men being persuaded to view older women as potential sexual conquests is older women being persuaded to view younger men as potential partners. This should be something that remains a rare exception and not the norm because outside of the rare exceptional couple, both would be bitterly unsatisfied and frustrated.

        Even with all the press and social engineering, the tranny as feminine ideal has not been completely sold to men. If they ever get a whiff of something more in line with their natural preferences, they’ll go for that. I don’t think women are going to be fully sold on the idea of viewing younger men as more than eye candy and barely that since we generally prefer physical and behavioral signs of dominance that the vast majority of men under 30 just don’t have.

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 7:23 pm LBK

        Good comment.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 11:32 am Laci

        ****I don’t understand why older women are threatened by men preferring younger women outside of the context of so many older women being late starters who are choosing career over family.****

        I completely agree. The only reason I can fathom for being “threatened” by younger women is if you, as an older woman, missed the boat on fulfilling your biological directives. A woman in her forties who married a good man and had children in her prime years now gets to move on to enjoying the next phase of her womanhood rather than sitting there pining for her youth and feeling bitter towards younger women.

        It’s probably similar to the psychological principle of missing out on developmental needs at the right stages. The theory is that if an individual does not get their developmental/emotional/nurturing needs met at the appropriate ages, they become “stuck” at that stage and can’t move on to further maturity and growth.

        Of course, psychological healing can be done at a later age, and much of the damage caused by unmet needs can be fixed. But there is no way to go back in time and reverse biological damage. If you missed the boat on marriage and children when your body was prime and ready for it, you’re never going to get it back.

        Parts of this blog confused me when I thought about the many women I know in their 40s/50s/older who seem very fulfilled, content, and not at all either threatened by younger women or bitterly resenting their own passed youth/sexiness. But I realized that all those women succeeded in fulfilling their biological drives and were therefore able to move on to being matronly doting mothers and grandmothers. On the other hand, the fewer older women I know who are single and childless perfectly exemplify this blog’s view of desperate cougarhood, and they are extremely threatened by younger women.

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  38. on February 9, 2012 at 5:31 pm Raider

    Give the poor beta a break. Here’s how I see it:

    Hugo’s beta-ball busting wife caught him surfing the net for porn. He quickly made up an excuse that he was doing research for an article. So, he had to write an article that made it seem like he hates young tang, but loves the oldy-moldy stuff that his wife lets him have a few times a year.

    If he hadn’t wrote the article his wife would have taken his testicles out of the crystal case she keeps on the mantle and stomped them flat again.

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    • on February 9, 2012 at 9:09 pm Tyrone

      That’s probably true. If I got caught surfing for porn I would immediately make it her fault and demand more sex if she wants me to quit.

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  39. on February 9, 2012 at 5:54 pm Anonymous

    He was raised by a single uberfeminist mother. No wonder he’s fucked up.

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  40. on February 9, 2012 at 6:22 pm Flumpy

    That guy’s article made me throw up in my mouth a little. I have no love for the ‘manosphere’ and normally I’m down with the parts of feminism that make it easier for me to get laid, but that was really really awful. I would hope that enlightened people understand that, just as women have evolved to want rich men, men have evolved to want tons of young pussy. I don’t know how that can really be argued with.

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  41. on February 9, 2012 at 7:17 pm whiskeysplace

    Trivia Time: Billie Holliday was born to a 13 year old mother. Juliet was in the play, age 13. At fifteen she would have been a wife and mother (assuming she never met Romeo). I would not argue that these things are wise, particularly now when a lot of cognitive investment is required for kids to mature into smart adult leveraging myriad and complicated technology. But it is ridiculous to ignore history. In Pride and Prejudice, Lizzy is considered an “old maid’ at … age 20.

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  42. on February 9, 2012 at 8:06 pm Celeste

    He is getting routinely chastized on Feministe, btw. Seems the guy has no friends in the blog world.

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  43. on February 9, 2012 at 9:08 pm Tyrone

    California’s got the most of them, I swear they got a host of them…Flakes! Hugo’s got a schtick and it works in dipshit lalaland places like California community colleges.

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  44. on February 9, 2012 at 9:12 pm john

    Older women with their wisdom will challenge us and make…us…grow? Younger gilrs make ME grow!!

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  45. on February 9, 2012 at 9:47 pm King A

    I read the Derbyshire quote cited by Schwyzer (“the very unfair truth that a woman’s salad days are shorter than a man’s — really, in this precise context, only from about 15 to 20”) seven years ago now, and it still sticks in my mind. I remember thinking, hey, somebody finally said the simple truth, if only in passing.

    It is remarkable that such a profound statement of fact, backed up by the mountains of evidence now unintentionally reinforced by Schwyzer, 1) was written casually and incidental to the paragraph and the article’s main point, and 2) has not been duplicated in the seven years since, with the possible exception of Camille Paglia. The fact that Schwyzer had to reach back to 2005 for a mainstream defense is an indication of our comprehensive skittishness about the topic.

    All the more reason to celebrate this website. We are so used to pretending the emperor has clothes that decades pass between semi-official recognitions of the truth. Except down here in the ghetto, where there is plenty of samizdat to go around.

    There is no constituency for the promulgation of this scary little truth. Feminists want to deny the peculiarly feminine peak of sexuality while conservatives think their blindness constitutes the protection of their daughters (ha!). Meantime the id roars without restraint in the underground of prostitution and porn and human trafficking. Out of sight, out of mind. We are well-practiced in pretending Humbert is the anomaly, and Lolita is unattractive. We are suspicious of our natural inclinations, then embarrassed by our unbidden reaction, and in our fear we choose artificial self-disgust rather than chance to tell the witches their lies are preposterous.

    Don’t let up on this truth telling. There is no way to get a grip on the sexualization of kids if our blind spot remains directly over the core of the problem. Beauty is truth and truth beauty—that is all you know on earth, and all you need to know.

    As for Schwyzer and his type, they are innocuous. They’ll be the last to figure out their obsolescence. Even as the culture leaves them behind they will be mumbling their inanities to the end. No one believes them, not even themselves. We all understand their rationalizations are little more than an elaborate wink. They are not supposed to make sense so much as sound minimally plausible — which means keeping a straight face while they express their absurdities. Their job is to repackage old lies in new wineskins. EVERYTHING YOU THINK YOU KNOW ABOUT ____ IS WRONG! What drudgery. What a bore.

    After a century of being told up is down and down is up — women are men, evil is good, existence doesn’t exist — what’s one more inversion? Dowagers are sexy and young women aren’t pretty. There will always be liars. The difference with us is how easily and how thoroughly we reject the truth en masse, how quickly we discount the evidence of our own eyes.

    Maybe it has something to do with filtering all of our information through a screen. We receive our mental stimulation through a window of illusion, so we convince ourselves that the truest things — even an innocent girl’s pretty face! — are the most illusory, the most open to ideological fabrication. Truly perverse.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 4:14 pm Fred Rotten

      @ King A:

      “After a century of being told up is down and down is up — women are men, evil is good, existence doesn’t exist — what’s one more inversion?”

      You’re right. So surreal, in fact, are these inversions that I’m starting to catch myself wondering whom or what exactly lays (lies? lays?) behind them– and I am by no means a conspiracy theorist. I wish I had the smarts and the resources to trace this lunacy backwards so that I might better understand how and why people fall for it.

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  46. on February 10, 2012 at 12:52 am Boidzerg

    I actually have a visceral dislike of older women, which I’m trying to find ways to hide more successfully.

    [heartiste: the problem is that, thanks to feminist indoctrination, more of them are unlikeable now than ever before.]

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 2:28 pm Anonymous

      Nothing wrong with that.
      Women HATE HATE HATE beta males too.

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  47. on February 10, 2012 at 1:50 am xsplat

    Samuel

    and not once will you see them acknowledge that a teen girl being under the tutelage, guidance, and provision of an older/wiser man could be immensely beneficial to her life and growth. But any critical thinker can see the truth of that as well…

    A woman under the wing of an older man is akin to a young apprentice under the wing of a master tradesman.

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  48. on February 10, 2012 at 1:55 am anoniface

    > For an older man (the average male porn user is over 30)

    I had dinner once with a guy who was a big online porn mogul in the early internet days (& sold out before the bubble popped.)

    He believed up to 50% of his traffic was coming from boys under 18. Other sites were just looking at the raw traffic figures and were going with the ‘barely legal’ look, but their conversion rate was actually awful. Instead, he was focusing on ‘glamour’ (which he described as blond+big tits) because that’s what the 30s/40s guys with credit cards wanted.

    Point being, don’t draw too many conclusions from what porn people google for.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 10:53 am Michael

      “Point being, don’t draw too many conclusions from what porn people google for.”

      it’s easy to come up with more interpretations:

      A) Most guys in high schools don’t have sex and they masturbate thinking about the girls near them they’d like to have sex with. They must be a big part of the interest in ‘teen pornography’.

      B) You can’t associate age with internet searches because most searches are still anonymous, despite Google’s and Facebook’s attempts. Which makes possibility # A even more likely because Youporn is a free website and you’ll never see a teenager pay for stuff they can easily get for free with a couple of clicks. Free music, free movies, free porn. Same thing.

      C) Last time I checked ‘teen pornography’ the “actresses” didn’t have ugly tattos, fake breasts and shaved eyebrows (wtf is that trend?). They sort of look normal and natural, the next-door neighbor type, unlike the typical “stars” who look like high class strippers. That’s part of the interest too.

      I’ve been approached by almost legal girls but some of them their glossy/plastic style of make-up/hair/clothes was a turn off. A girl can look old and odd at 17 if she takes what she sees in the magazines seriously. If there’s someone preying on teenagers it’s the cosmetics industry.

      the slutty professor gets an F for his research.

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  49. on February 10, 2012 at 3:30 am Paladin

    Reading Hugo’s crappy rationalizations is really sickening. And to think of it, a lot of people actually fervently believe in those things and spread it around, never knowing how much damage they’re causing…

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  50. on February 10, 2012 at 3:42 am Anonymous

    Where the rubber meets the road on this topic, and what makes faps like Hugo so dangerous, is that older female politicians will always use their power to stop men from having options with younger women and there’s a worldwide trend to elect females to political power. Here is an article from this morning about how the ugly Argentine president (whom the press usually depicts with a photo taken 15 years ago), now wants to crack down on the advertising of sexual services in a culture where buying sex from hot young women is still legal (but not for long):

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/07/no-more-adverts-sexual-services-argentina?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

    Margaret Thatcher herself wanted to give the anti-sex feminists everything they wanted back in the eighties. Her male aides threatened to resign enmasse and loudly speak against her if she did. This stopped her at the time (it was Major who gave in to the fembots). These days, nobody would stop a female politician in her quest to use her political power to promote her personal self interest, her perceived SMV.

    Many of the anti-sex feminists from the eighties were the girls who had promoted the sexual revolution in the sixties, but who were noticing that men didn’t want to have sex with them anymore.

    Incidentally, the editor of a Falkland Islands newspaper accidentally referred to the female Argentine president as a bitch (photo file named bitch.gif) a few days ago. Now the editor is getting death threats from Argentine male White Knights who are furious that their female president was insulted that way.

    Any Argentine male bloggers reading this? If so, forget the Malvinas (Falklands). De Kirchner really is a bitch and you should be spreading that news and getting her unelected.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 6:55 pm LBK

      The biggest mistake western civilization ever made was giving women the right to vote. Now it is impossible to revoke because women are a majority of voters. This is due to the age distribution of likely voters. Older people are more likely to vote than younger people. And because women tend to live longer than men, there are more old women than old men. In fact, old women are the most powerful voting bloc. Politicians know this, and cater to the concerns of old women. That’s why things are going in the direction they are.

      It is probably impossible to turn things around in any democracy. Therefore, western civ will continue to degenerate until it collapses completely. After a period of chaos and destruction something new will emerge. It is difficult to say what that will be.

      In any case, it is likely that the western era is over and that for the foreseeable future the Asian countries will dominate the world.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 7:05 pm LBK

      Giving women the vote was the biggest mistake western civilization ever made. Now it is impossible to revoke it, because women are a majority of voters. This is due to the age distribution of likely voters. Old people are more likely to vote than young people. And because women tend to live longer than men, there are more old women than old men. In fact, old women are the most powerful voting bloc. Politicians know this, and cater to the concerns of old women. That’s why things have been going the way they have been.

      It is probably impossible to turn things around in any democracy. Therefore, western civ will continue to degenerate until it collapses completely. After a period of chaos and destruction, something new will emerge. It is difficult to say what that will be.

      In any case, it is likely that the western era is over, and that the Asian countries will dominate the world for the foreseeable future.

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  51. on February 10, 2012 at 5:07 am Grace

    I see what you’re saying, and of course you are right that the younger the women (over a certain age, say 18 or so), the more beautiful. But it’s not as simple as you are making it seem.

    I wrote a post (here: http://opinionationblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/americans-liked-old-prostitutes.html) a while ago about differences in men’s preferences for high-end prostitutes.

    If you are going to see an expensive prostitute, then her beauty is really by far the most important factor: yet in 1920s China, the average prostitute was 16, and in 1890s Nevada, she was in their late twenties or early thirties. Actually, one-fourth of the Nevada prostitutes were over 35 (which was a lot older relatively speaking in 1890)! (In both of these cases, it was legal and fairly common/socially accepted.)

    Of course nobody was really old (like 50), so there is a limit, but I don’t think preferences are as cut and dried as you think they are.

    [heartiste: do these accounts control for selection bias? it could simply be the case that fewer younger women in america at the time were available and/or socially free to pursue a career in the oldest profession.]

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 11:44 am Grace

      The population was younger in the nineteenth century than it is now (bigger families, lower life expectancy), so there would be more younger women as a percentage of the population than now.

      [heartiste: just because there may have been a proportionally higher percentage of teen girls in the 1800s doesn’t mean there weren’t stricter social controls against teen prostitution, or other cultural conditions that mitigated against entering the profession at a young age. comparing chinese and american hooker ages from 100 years ago is just fraught with too many confounding variables to draw any sort of conclusion that american men back then preferred the company of 35 year olds over 15 year olds.]

      I don’t think harsh judgment about being a prostitute, or family condemnation, would have varied that much for a 16 year old or a 38 year old (at least in the 19th century, when women’s sexual virtue was a lot more important socially).

      I think the simplest explanation is that tastes differ

      [the simplest explanation is that men the world over prefer younger women to older women. just look at the age of whores that are in demand today, rather than 100 years ago. i read that the bunny ranch pretty much tosses the women out after 30. and strippers — well, let’s just say their careers are over by 25.]

      (somewhat, hardly anyone is interested in the hugely obese or really old, though there are some). After all, breasts were of very little interest in traditional Chinese culture (they are rarely mentioned in its porn, for example); on the other hand, an interest in feet is strictly a minority taste in America. Why wouldn’t preferences for age vary too? (BTW I think this is a Western vs. Eastern thing, European prostitutes tended to be older too; Mata Hari was in her 30s when she became famous, for example.)

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 5:19 pm JCclimber

        Come on Heartiste, this one is easy. 1890’s Nevada? You have any frickin’ idea what life was like in 1890’s Nevada? You think a hot young lass with prospects was thinking “yeah, I’d love to go live in a mining town with near zero amenities, getting used by dirty, uncultured miners, and getting paid a small amount of money for the risks?”

        Or was she thinking “I’ll just stay here in -insert name of mid or big city- and make some money”?

        The ones who went west and served on their backs in the brothels were those who were washed up in the more civilized cities, couldn’t make much money anymore competing against the younger fresher poon, and went where the men would be absolutely desperate and therefore not quite so picky. Long sentence, see if you can follow the thought anyway.

        You really should stop thinking that life back then was like a Hollywood movie, where the prostitutes were kind of slutty but still hot looking, were smart, sassy and had witty banter with alpha gunmen, and each had nice bathtubs in their nicely furnished rooms and only had one customer per night. It was survival time for those women, and the only ones who would choose that kind of life would be those who were forced by low SMV into living it.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 11:28 pm Grace

        Actually, being a prostitute in Nevada was much more profitable than elsewhere, because there was so much money floating around (silver boom; heard of the Comstock lode?). A lot of the prostitutes were foreign (like European). It’s more like venturing off to make your fortune than making ends meet from desperation (after all, they had to pay to travel there, so if you were really poor you couldn’t go).

        Also, I was only discussing the high-end prostitutes above, meaning the ones who could pick and choose customers (yes, usually only one per night; or less, because if you are that sort of sex worker then you get paid for your time, not just sex), and charged a lot. (Escorts, in other words.) We’re not talking about the 19th century equivalent of crack whores here.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 11:50 pm Grace

        Also, I think you are wrong about women choosing that life (at least at the more elite levels). Back in the day, women’s opportunities were so limited that being a prostitute could actually be an attractive choice. It meant that a woman could control her own earnings, for example (married women had no legal rights to even their own money).

        It was also one of the few ways for women to live independently (since most jobs were closed to women), without depending on the charity of family. And it meant more control over one’s own sexuality (since otherwise sleeping with anyone you weren’t married to was forbidden, and divorce was not allowed). I mentioned Mata Hari before; she was a mail-order bride who married a man 20 years older than herself out of poverty. He was an abusive alcoholic who gave her (and their children, who died young as a result) syphilis. Becoming a prostitute was for her a way to get freedom.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 6:25 pm MaMu1977

        You’re missing another factor: men (in aggregate) were much tougher prior to automisation (as in bikes, cars, trains, etc.) of transit than they are now. If you take a man who’s had to work like a mule from the day that his balls dropped, move him to an entirely different part of the country so that he can work even harder to get rich, then give him a choice of two women…

        Woman #1: 16 y.o, undernourished and slight, inexperienced sexually, $5 for 30 minutes of sex (in which you’ll be rigidly timed because there are dozens of other guys looking for the young stuff, and she’s going to be holding back because her mind’s on the money and her level of stamina seeing as how she’s going to be on her back for an entire night of being fucked by athletic men.) If you’re lucky, she’s in a brothel with lots of monitors and a madam, otherwise she’s the local back alley pump and dump. Either way, you aren’t getting anything more than release.)

        Woman #2: 28 y.o., a decade of experience, fully fleshed out (thanks to years of being able to afford enough food to develop nice-sized breasts and hips, $20 for 2 hours of sex (which starts with a nice bath/massage/handjob, proceeds to a blowjob to rigid hardness and grabbing her ankles/bending over a table and spreading her legs or cheeks and telling you to “dive on in and have your fun”, culminating with a final orgasm in whichever hole you didn’t enjoy for the second bout after she’s scrubbed you clean, then having her rub her titties on your back as she strokes your… ego, with noone hampering your fun because she’s good at what she does and has probably paid her daily debt to the house.)

        Youth be damned, if I’m stuck in a situation in which I have no choice but to pay for sex, I want as much sex as I can handle. And if my choices are a young girl whose complaints of soreness are likely to get me kicked out when I have 2 nuts to go (after all, prospecting on a mountain and having to walk everywhere leads to having leg and “core” muscles like stone) and an older woman who’s going to take multiple poundings (and who’s probably learned enough about her body to be able to *enjoy it*), I’m going for the cougar.

        Back on topic, most MILF porn featured women in the 23-30 age range (with the random well-maintained 30+ y.o. woman). In our current political climate, its far safer to fap over women who appear to be of age than going as low as possible (remember the Little Lupe scandal.) On top of that, most of the older women *seem* to enjoy their craft (instead of dealing with the teens whose entire gimmick involves bad imitations of enjoyment with visible indicators of pain.) When I indulge in sex (whether its by myself or with a partner), I want to hear hums and whistles and sighs and screams punctuated with “Yes, right there yes!!!!”(of joy or at least pleasure, and a hand or two pressing my body against hers doesn’t hurt, either), I don’t want to hear that robotic, dull, “oh, yes, hit it.” *wince* ,”do it, daddy.” *scowl, then quick jerk away from the Dick*, “oh, my god. Are you done yet?”

        Now, if MILF porn actually featured the pathetic, Real Housewives of *insert city here*-looking women or the abominable BBWs that like to call themselves on the internet, it wouldn’t be as profitable.

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 7:38 pm Celeste

        It seems possible, too, that technology has since advanced to allow older women to look better than they would have 100 years ago.

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  52. on February 10, 2012 at 5:26 am Daigoro

    For all his pandering hypocrisy, Schwyzer’s claptrap is still less dangerous in its import than this bullshit yet again about the supposed “rape culture”:

    http://www.thelmagazine.com/TheMeasure/archives/2012/02/09/why-i-will-always-side-with-rape-accusers-before-knowing-the-facts

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  53. on February 10, 2012 at 9:45 am traciegoethe@yahoo.com

    A little something I found on Hugo for those who didn’t know:

    Hugo: ….. And I had sex with a few men in high school and college. Do they go on the list too? …..

    Read the article here:

    http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/ill-tell-you-why-i-wont-tell-you-my-number-if-you-tell-me-why-you-wont-tell-me-yours/

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  54. on February 10, 2012 at 10:56 am Rollo Tomassi

    The day that the cosmetic industry starts expending millions of dollars creating beauty products with the express intent of making women look OLDER is the day I’ll buy Hugo’s bullshit.

    https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/11/11/the-mature-man/

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  55. on February 10, 2012 at 11:11 am T

    i hate to use the old feminist go-to adjective “creepy,” but…well, Hugo looks really fucking creepy. check out his pics – the guy’s leering face sends chills down my spine. of course the irony here is that this “creepy” guy has prob gotten more feminist ass than you can shake a dominatrix whip at. blowing the whole feminist “the guy freaked me out cuz he looked creepy” broken record out of the water. Rebecca Watson would give up a dubble dipped Rocky Road waffle cone for a chance to sit on this dude’s face…

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  56. on February 10, 2012 at 11:17 am OhWow

    The age of consent should be 15, since all those female teachers who had sex with their 15 year old male students over the past few years didn’t pay any major price with their freedom.

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  57. on February 10, 2012 at 11:33 am Prof. Woland

    A man who can form a successful lifetime bond with a young fertile woman will produce MANY children over his lifetime. Better yet, the odds of his children surviving and then successfully reproducing themselves will also be increased significantly. The fact that she is good looking is icing on the cake. Enjoying casual sex with 26 year old women on a one-off basis is good if you can get it but it only works for some and the cost of failure is quite high. That is how natural selection works. Humans rely on the K factor as much as the R factor.

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  58. on February 10, 2012 at 12:19 pm Anonymous

    Hugo’s been getting his ass chewed latley as even feminists are
    waking up to his bs.

    http://studentactivism.net/2012/01/22/hugo-schwyzer-is-still-doing-harm/

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  59. on February 10, 2012 at 2:27 pm Mr. Bling

    Schwyzer’s argument ignores the infidelity risk, true, but a huge blind spot is also the years of future fertility a man misses out on by committing emotionally to older women.

    Men were incentivized to bang whomever they can, but also are punished by selection if they commit to a woman with even half of her fertile years already behind her. “Peak” fertility means nothing. Evolution demands you start earlier.

    Human lineages of the past (and present) were very unlikely to survive more than a few generations if they had only the one or two kids that couples have today. You needed to put out a huge litter, and even then no guarantees. Over time, each and every year of extra fertility makes a big difference among competing males. Men should be more inclined to commit to women with years of fertility *ahead.*

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  60. on February 10, 2012 at 2:49 pm traciegoethe@yahoo.com

    Feminists Against Hugo….

    http://www.facebook.com/SayNoToHugo

    Has there been any attempt to identify the poor cuckhold who is raising his child and force Hugo to pay child support? Just wondering…..

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 10:14 am Lad

      Interesting link from that page.

      http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/horrible-reactions-to-chris-brown-at-the-grammys

      25 tweets from girls saying they wanted Chris Brown to beat them.

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  61. on February 10, 2012 at 2:50 pm Anonymous

    He is or at least was ratemyprofessors.com’s hottest professor. He pretty much has a small cult around him.

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  62. on February 11, 2012 at 9:44 am 11th Feb 2012 « Men's Voices

    […] here’s the Heartiste on a ridiculous opinion piece by Hugo Schwyzer, in which he (Schwyzer) argues that men prefer ‘barely legal’ porn because they’re […]

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  63. on February 11, 2012 at 10:27 pm Infinite Skyline

    Some of the commenters over on Jez are just amazing.

    ” I’m unbelievably grossed out by the comments downthread describing grown ass women as being “jaded” or not “fresh,” as if sexuality is something that can expire. As for the idea that part of the appeal of very young women is the lower likelihood of STD positive status–please. ”

    followed by”

    “It’s not actually the STD-free thing that’s appealing. Be honest. It’s the fact that very young, sexually inexperienced women can be talked out of using condoms more easily than grown ass women who have heard those tired lines before.”

    And then another commenter adds:

    “Teens are far less likely to be emotionally stable and are far less likely to know how to protect themselves from diseases than more mature woman.”

    This type of dialogue ignores that fact that these “mature women”, that are smart enough to protect themselves, were not at some point the immature girls that didn’t use rubber. How is it not blatantly obvious that a 27 year old that has fucked 10 guys a year since 15 has seen a lot more dick than a 19 year old that has done the same. Given that the 27 yr old probably started fucking as recklessly as the 19 yr old, she has had another 8 years of broken condoms and drunken bare backing.

    So yes, the 19 year old is “fresher” and has a lot lower chance of having the life timers like HPV, herpes and the HIV.

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  64. on February 11, 2012 at 11:06 pm loveiseasy

    Hugo Schwyzer is in denial. He strikes me as a repressed and closeted homosexual.

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  65. on February 13, 2012 at 12:03 pm Anonymous

    Look at the reaction of female Daily Mail readers to this article:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100091/Colin-Brindley-55-cheated-wife-battling-cancer-teenage-girl-19.html

    White hot hatred for a guy they don’t know.

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  66. on February 13, 2012 at 12:53 pm askjoe

    So, I guess JFK was also scared of a mature, magnetic, vivacious older woman…like his wife, banging a 19 year old intern, along with every lefty slut debutante that came in the white house.

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  67. on February 13, 2012 at 10:56 pm JW

    I despise Hugo Schwyzer with a passion. He can go to hell, along with that fem-rag he writes for, Good Men Project. When I bored, I go trolling on that site just to get the feminazis riled up.

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  68. on February 14, 2012 at 2:34 am Large Hardon Collider

    Schwyzer doesn’t strike me as someone faking feminist support to achieve other ends but it’s pretty ridiculous that he cites the most viewed videos from a porn site. Men view these videos solely for the own sexual gratification, yet Schwyzer turns around and says the youthful trend of the videos doesn’t really pertain to male sexual preferences but is rather caused by their own emotional immaturity! What a joke.

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  69. on March 2, 2012 at 9:02 pm Nico

    Hugo is a nasty piece of work. A wolf in sheep’s clothing.

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  70. on March 7, 2012 at 6:21 pm wizardcorpse.

    that dude’s logic dont add up, and doesnt make any damn sense at all if you look at his sylogism of cause and effect. but I do have to admit his “anti-Game” articles tend to help our page-views

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