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Prosperity Is The Problem

February 10, 2012 by CH

What, ultimately, is the cause of the decay happening in the West?

Reader carolyn writes:

[do] all young women nowadays go for the alpha exclusively, disdain the beta?

there must be women even now who size themselves up realistically. and don’t shoot for the unattainable, or more accurately, the alpha who’ll use them but never settle for them.

my own experience back when dinosaurs roamed the earth as the baby-faced ‘fattie’ (so dreaded around here) led to a fear of any overly aggressive ‘alpha’ types that came my way. i just knew intuitively it would not end well. i aspired to get a smart guy, hopefully one with a sense of humor; a _cool_ guy was out of the question. which characterized the man i married. sorry to refer to my own experience but it’s the one i know best.

my point is that there must be plenty of young women out there with a similar mindset. did all girls suddenly become stupid?

I would answer it’s not a question of exclusive vs inclusive, smart vs stupid, right vs wrong. Female hypergamy (and male preference for younger women) just IS. It’s a fact of life, and society accommodates it or corrals it depending on its goals. It’s best to think of women’s love of alphas as residing along a sexual/personality continuum (mediated by the wiring of the hindbrain), where at one end we see the thug lovers who run back to boyfriends who beat them up, and at the other end we have the wilting flowers who prefer the less volatile alpha males drawn from the pool of soft betas.

As society relaxes its controls of female sexuality — and unleashed female sexuality is the wilder and more fluid and more dangerous of the sexes — more women rush to the “thug lover” side of the hindbrain continuum, and away from any latent preference for dutiful betas. Conversely, when society strengthens its controls over female sexuality, something close to the opposite happens: women are incentivized to favor the company of beta males.

Thug loving serves a useful purpose in evolutionary terms. The sons of thugs make better protectors of the tribe, and in point of fact stupider, thuggier people outbreed smarter, empathetic people. Experiments in fruit flies have actually proven the concept of an emergent idiocracy.

Soft alpha/beta loving serves a useful purpose in civilizational terms. The sons of K selected women make better builders and maintainers of prosperous societies.

Both strategies come with their weaknesses and strengths, but it has to be said that, in most practical senses, the evolutionary goals are at odds with the civilizational goals. In simpler terms: what’s good for the individual man or woman is not necessarily, or very often, good for a prosperous society. This has been a core concept here at the Chateau since its inception.

And so a great truth about humanity is revealed that liberals mostly, and conservatives to a lesser degree, have trouble wrapping their brains around.

Jason Malloy, a drive-by commenter at blogs I occasionally read, usually has very smart things to say about the form a dystopia might take, and the factors that lead to cultural and national dissolution. When he writes, I generally give his words more than a second’s thought. And lately, his words have been echoing much of what is written here.

The larger sorting patterns [seen in rates of dysfunction between the upper and lower classes] need to be viewed through the lens of latent behavioral variation. Social pressures were already biased towards high investment reproduction. People were shamed for having premarital sex or children outside of marriage. Female economic dependency was just one more practical limit on these behaviors. However, once prosperity and secularism unraveled the cultural expectations, only internal behavioral motivators were left, and the motivations previously dampened and suppressed through practical and social limits could now express themselves.

The internal motivators tend to form a psychological and behavioral package: some people are oriented towards higher investment reproduction and this entails higher cognitive ability, long term goals about education and career, later first intercourse, fewer and more stable relationships, reproduction within secure pairbond, and mate selection biased towards reliability and parenting qualities. Other people are oriented towards lower investment reproduction and this entails lower cognitive ability, few long term goals, early first intercourse, more sex partners and less stable relationships, reproduction outside of pairbond, and mate selection biased towards “sexy” qualities (looks, charm, creativity, athleticism). (Many of these traits are functionally related (e.g. lower IQ mostly is a major cause of higher time preference), but they are also compounded through assortative mating).

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[Re: the upper half of women having sex before marriage but still getting married.]

As much as I appreciate [Charles] Murray’s sociological perspective, I think this is his weakness as a bio-conservative trying to piece together the trends. The upper and the lower classes aren’t sorting by cognitive ability, so much as they are by life history behavior (which also includes cognitive ability).

A conservative libertarian has a lot to grapple with here: freedom and prosperity are the real “culprits” here, and their interaction with natural genetic variation. Not the welfare state. Not the government. Not apathetic elites. Not globalism or “stagnant wages”. Any major reversals in these trends would seemingly require major, forceful social controls, because they are the consequences of a very pervasive kind of individualism and of freedom of thought.

Chew on that. Realize what is being said here. If you do, you should feel a shudder descend your spine. Individualism and freedom of thought are the enemies of the very values and morality which gave birth to them and elevated them to primacy among advanced nations.

What libertarian, conservative OR liberal could read and accept the above premise and not feel at least some elemental — some PRIMAL — part of his worldview shatter into a million pieces. Libertarians: laissez faire means the cementing of intractable human hereditary differences into antagonistic classes and milieus. Conservatives: freedom and prosperity mean a slackening of external behavioral motivators and the erosion of commonality and shared values and the means with which to argue for them. Liberals: nonjudgmental individualism means a collapse of social capital and a surrender of any moral or aesthetic authority.

None of this is to say that people would, or should, prefer to live in less prosperous, backward nations. I don’t see too many Westerners clamoring to move to Zimbabwe for the quality of life. And yet, there has to be a recognition among the cognoscenti that a deeply embedded human nature exists, and that this nature — immutable, unalterable, suppressed only with great effort — when allowed to fully express or, alternately, when stifled at great psychic expense guarantees the slow unwinding of the very prosperity it desires and refuses to relinquish when it achieves.

Maxim #1,000: Prosperity contains within it the seed of its own destruction.

Could this ever not be the case? Perhaps if there were not significant differences in ability and talent between people and groups of people, differences in possession of civilizationally advantageous traits, you could say then that prosperity may become, theoretically, self-perpetuating. Feeding and growing without limit.

But evolution would not exist were that the case. Evolution would have to stop for such a social condition to manifest. Thus, we grapple with reality, whether we choose to or not. Because it grapples with us.

The prosperity America achieved will be her undoing. This isn’t idle apocalyptic talk. There is plenty of historical precedent. There are plenty of indicators that cultural and economic and lifestyle collapse are beginning their long march through the Western citizenry and institutions. The armies of disintegration have amassed and the first waves have stormed the citadel. Aided and abetted by people who don’t understand the forces at work, and who wouldn’t change direction even if they did understand. Prosperity is enervating. The will to dismantle it, temporarily, to save it, is weakened totally by the comforts it provides.

America is dying. Unless the powerful divest themselves from their voracious egos and accept that they have been steeped in a mountain of lies for 60 years, perhaps 150 years depending on your point of origin, and until that day they reverse the path they have taken this country, America’s slow, asphyxiating dying will finally, unmercifully, reach closure… in her death. Today, the Lords of Lies are our masters. Tomorrow, the truth will reign, over a rejuvenated America or a bitter wasteland. Either way, the truth will reign.

The Lords of Lies must first be defeated if the path we are on has a chance to be corrected. The only thing we know for certain is that they won’t go easily to their irrelevance.

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  1. on February 10, 2012 at 4:17 pm Jan Schmidt

    Maybe reader Carolyn’s father didn’t blow smoke up her arse telling her that she’s the most beautiful girl in the world. Hence she had a more realistic view of her prospects.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 8:08 pm carolyn

      well, he did. for the record i was his favorite, definitely a ‘daddy’s girl’. he was a wonderful father, god rest his soul. i feel privileged to be his daughter. he was a beta for sure; he worshiped the ground my mother walked on, seemingly astonished she took him seriously. prolly as a result, my 3 brothers are still married to their 1st wives, my sisters both divorced theirs for another man. all the women in my family don’t understand why i put up with my husband. aha hahaha aha haha. well enough already about that.

      but reality has its way on intruding on our most cherished delusions. i was fat for crying out loud. and destined to stay that way given my doomed attempts to improve. for years it was the yo-yo syndrome. there was just no way to kid myself. thus my clear-eyed vision of my realistic prospects.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 10:39 pm AISOR

      In all of my experience, girls become unrealistic when their fathers instill insecurity in them by NOT telling them that.

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  2. on February 10, 2012 at 4:20 pm Lakini

    AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
    I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
    Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

    We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
    That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
    But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
    So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

    We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
    Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
    But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
    That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

    With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
    They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
    They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
    So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

    When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
    They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
    But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “Stick to the Devil you know.”

    On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
    (Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
    Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”

    In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
    By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
    But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”

    Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
    And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
    That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

    As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
    There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
    That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
    And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

    And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
    When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
    As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
    The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

    ~R. Kipling

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 6:11 pm Samuel

      I wrote a big comment and lost it… but Rudyard Kipling said it far more eloquently than I. Thank you, Lakini

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 10:58 pm John Norman Howard

      +1

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 1:42 am Anonymous

      Amen.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 9:41 pm Anonymous

      In a video…

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 9:44 pm Anonymous

        A little too much Bush-bashing video in the for some, but otherwise…

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 12:02 pm Blargh

      The British commonwealth had the largest empire the world had ever known.

      Canada, China, India, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, etc.

      The conquered the world.

      But in doing so they lost London.

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  3. on February 10, 2012 at 4:22 pm Tmason

    Today, the Lords of Lies are our masters. Tomorrow, the truth will reign, over a rejuvenated America or a bitter wasteland. Either way, the truth will reign.

    The Lords of Lies must first be defeated if the path we are on has a chance to be corrected. The only thing we know for certain is that they won’t go easily to their irrelevance.

    Eh, everything good always comes to an end. I am looking for a timeframe. If I recall correctly you predict a generation, so 20 years for this to come to fruition?

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  4. on February 10, 2012 at 4:22 pm tenderman100

    Well, well. Time to stock up on the survival gear?

    Meanwhile, on the spectrum of libertarian-conservative-liberal, give me a libertarian economy and a conservative harsh law-and-order jurisprudence/justice system, and show the lefties the political door (and don’t let it hit them on the way out).

    The libertarians will get rich, and build the enclaves and gated communities that can shield them from the hoi polloi. The conservative jurists and police will lock up the worst of the miscreants who are intellectually incapable of adapting to a knowledge driven world, while the libertarian gates will keep the the non-criminal riff raff out.

    OH, wait…this is what is happening int he USA right now!! (Sorry lefties, Barack Obama and the financial crisis is just a blip on this societal trajectory).

    Is this dystopian? Maybe, but it’s the best alternative we got goin’

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 10:09 am Thor

      Self-referential, see my LONG comment below.

      Oh, one more thing: If the vote was restricted to veterans, a la Heinlein,
      that might work too. The key is to restrict the vote SOMEHOW so
      that the givers vote but not the takers.

      Thor

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 8:54 pm Tyrone

        I loved Starship Troopers. It is actually a profound book and the best intellectual defense of militarism I’ve ever read. I agree whole heartedly. I prefer Heinlein’s sytem although a draft would be the next best thing. It should include everyone that can reasonably serve, and allow for non-military options as well. I think its important for many reasons- it teaches one to be a giver and not a taker, and it forces one to work with and get along with every race and background, to complete something you didn’t want to do but are proud of afterwards, I’ve only experienced true diversity in the military and its probably the single best lesson I learned out of that time.

        The mentality of modern Progressive elites is best described by Melville in Moby Dick, when he talks about the good people of Nantuckett who would create a utopia through their preaching of good puritan values and religion. he damns them throughout the book. I think the lack of contact with real America is one of the reasons our elites sell us out and despise us.

        They are too isolated and cocooned to see it and universal service would go a long way to overcoming that. They despise the productive class, because not least, they see they are vulnerable in this regard. They could put in roads in Alaska or even in the third world if we wanted to use them for foreign aid. That would appeal to your 3rd World do gooder types as well. This is what the Nazis used the Labor Service (Arbeitsdienst) in WWII for. It was also organized along military lines so when the Germans sent a man to basic training, it was really advanced infantry training because the recruits had already learned to march and follow military routine. As Frederick the Great said “The Army is the school of the nation.”

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 11:52 am Thor

        Actually, a lot of the elite is quite productive, but prodductivity
        at that level is hard to measure.

        But a little piece: Where I went to engineering school, you
        HAD TO do at least three months in a factory or equivalent.
        In my case, I spent a hot summer climbing on ladders to the
        ceiling removing old cables. Not a bad part of education,
        actually.

        Thor

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 12:42 pm John Norman Howard

        The Army is where I came into contact with true “diversity” for the first time in my life… it made me the White Nationalist I am today… taught me firsthand the lies I had been fed in school and by the media about equality… also gave me a ringside seat in viewing what occurs when Negroes hold any sort of sway… cheating, thievery, and a racism that would make the most virulent Klansman blush.

        On a more uplifting note, I agree that Starship Troopers should be required reading in every high school… you know, that place where American History is currently taught as little more than the heroic exploits of Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, and the Tuskegee Airmen.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 5:24 pm Thor

        Yeay for H&MP.

        (That’s History and Moral Philosophy)

        Thor

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  5. on February 10, 2012 at 4:22 pm Opus

    I have long maintained that Liberalism contains within it the seeds of its own destruction. Rather like Maxim 1,000

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  6. on February 10, 2012 at 4:24 pm A.B. Dada

    Why does everyone — including most newbies in the PUA community — assume that an alpha male will pump-and-dump, always?

    That’s not the case at all. Alpha males are exceptional males to marry, as long as the female understands her place in his life, stays feminine, keeps her body and cosmetic features healthy and sexy, and fulfills his needs.

    My breakdown for men has always been revolved around the birds: chickens (betas/omegas), vultures (alpha pump-and-dumps) and hawks (alpha nest-protectors). Not all alphas are looking to score with a new pair of 10s every weekend.

    Also, I want to know how old this female questioner is — is she 34 and past her prime for having babies and a home with an alpha 10-15 years her senior, or is she 19 and uncertain about how she can get herself a great, powerful and happy husband?

    For many women who ask these questions, they’ve probably hit The Wall. They slept with too many vultures, ensnared too many chickens (and crushed them under their heels), and are now at a place in their lives where they can only find a beta provider, but they aren’t thrilled by them because their soul was pumped out of them repeatedly during their sexual and cosmetic prime.

    Guys don’t have to ask these questions. Either they’re beta and love to promote the NAWALT line, or they’re alpha and already understand that evo-psych theories are more fact than theory.

    As CH says — “it just is.” If you don’t agree, you’re left with very little in life to be proud of. All of that work for nothing. Well, maybe some nice girl who can cry to you about why all her future guys can’t be more like you. That’s something.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 5:25 pm Anonymous

      As a newbie one gets the pretty clear message that even if becoming a “hawk” is one’s long term goal, the current sexual marketplace rewards “vultures” a lot more.

      Also there doesn’t seem to be a direct path for a student to take him from “chicken” to “hawk”.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 12:54 am Mr. C

        The most direct path from chicken to hawk nodays is probably to earn as much money as possible while simultaneously learning and practicing game.

        Being a Hawk is not cheap and keeping the quality woman requires solid game.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 6:33 pm Stuki

      Alpha mating strategy is definitionally low investment, spread your seeds wide.

      The only possible solution for “Alpha nest protectors”, is someone with a large harem. Which is fiendishly difficult to maintain.

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 10:35 pm A.B. Dada

        QFT, Stuki.

        One thing many people ignore (unwisely) is that one’s needs change without an easy way to notice it.

        I remember when my sex drive dove when I hit 33. I was spinning plates, having fun, making my way across borders without thinking twice about what I was leaving behind. Then one day I woke up, and I cut most women out of my life. At 34 I settled down with just 2: my primary girlfriend, and a cute coed slacker on the side. I figured that was that.

        Then, I changed my diet. I started working out. My testosterone level skyrocketed, the asshole didn’t just come back but came and bitch-slapped everyone who fronted.

        Again, unexpectedly, my needs changed. That girlfriend flew the coop, being unable to compete sufficiently to keep her as the main gig. Sorry to see her go, not really, but it’s a nice thing to say.

        Will the day come in the future where hormones and physical needs take a dive? It’s possible. Now that I discovered “the secret” to keeping one’s masculine nature in check (going primal/paleo is one possible solution), I’m hoping it doesn’t. I prefer this me over the guy I was from 33-35. That dude wasn’t beta, but he was more of a provider-hawk than a one-night-vulture.

        Then there’s my dad. He’s in his 70s. His wife is 3 decades younger than him and he still turns women’s heads. But age has slowed him down, robbed him of his eyesight completely. The guy travels more than I do, alone, with his wife, with his assistant, whomever — yet it’s obvious that settling down would probably be the wiser move.

        Hopefully he doesn’t, and that life’s end comes while he’s still walking and able to have fun. But knowing what I’ve seen in the past 5 years of my own life, I’m thinking that plenty of people here will want Heartiste to be writing in 10 years — life throws weird changes at you, and keeping frame is important even when you’re really not that charged to land another 9.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 11:15 am uh

        Now that was a great comment.

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  7. on February 10, 2012 at 4:26 pm The Shocker

    Do old people write about the apocalypse so much because *their* world is dying?

    My generation doesn’t care about your lib/con/lib neapolitan.. in thirty years your ideological horsemen won’t even be relevant. The conservative ideocracy will have died off until they no longer matter as a political force and kids raised on the internet won’t need to cling to frivolous party lines. Apocalypse No.

    Is this the blog post you’re going to link to when you write another ‘i told you so’ after the Euro falls?

    Link-bait for old people… you really want more obligatory ‘why my marriage failed’ comments in every thread? Spend time with more young people.. you know.. the ones doing the actual fucking.

    [heartiste: hey man i hear ya. i’m fucking without the imprimatur of marriage and as far as i’m concerned, this lifestyle suits me fine. that don’t mean the end ain’t coming.]

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 5:21 pm Maya

      oh, that’s fine, CH, but you know i worry about your genetic material and i really think you should get married and have kids! this world doesn’t want to lose your wonderful DNA 😥

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 6:34 pm Tyrone

      In a bourgeois society where everyone is wealthy, marriage as the norm becomes inevitable as it’s the best vehicle for creating and sustaining wealth and building families, hence it being called the bedrock of society. I’ve done both and there is the substantial qualitative difference of having made a legal commitment. I’ve been married twice and lived together as man and wife for seven years. Other times for far lesser periods. Both times I married, I had an Oh Shit! moment, for the first three or four days of marriage at least. Its not unlike the feeling you get when you realize you’ve just joined the Army and your life will now change dramatically. Most likely not the fantasy you had when you decided to marry. I’m very happily married now and my wife was a very good catch and still is. But even with her, I felt it as strongly as with the first wife that I divorced from. I never felt this when I lived together or moved in with someone, because in the back of your mind, there is this back door that you can always slip out of with relative ease if you are living together. In my case, I feel as if the commitment becomes a duty of honor to fulfill. I think that is what it is meant to be. Its important for building and transferring wealth intergenerationally. The alternative will become THX1138, after Brave New World starts to fail as a social model.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 6:35 pm Stuki

      Their world is dying. The problem is; we’re stuck in the boat with them as it goes down.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 7:18 pm Big Bang

      Shocker: “My generation doesn’t care about your lib/con/lib neapolitan.. ”

      What does your generation care about then? America is a constitutional two party system. LIb/con.

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 11:07 am The Shocker

        http://www.the-american-interest.com/article.cfm?piece=1187

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 1:57 pm uh

        Francis Fukuyama: I agree with you that we’ve bought this line from the economists for the past thirty that globalization is inevitably going to be good without thinking through these points you raise.

        I’d like to shift now to the question of biotech and biology. I know you’ve been an investor in companies researching issues like longevity, a personal interest of yours. This is one of those areas, I think, where there’s conflict between an individual’s interest in living forever versus the social good of population turnover. Steve Jobs said this in his 2005 Stanford commencement speech, that we should welcome death, because without it people wouldn’t see much change. It’s like Max Planck’s old saying, “Science progresses one funeral at a time.” Pick your discipline, and I think that’s largely true. And actually, it seems like a lot of our fiscal woes are due to the fact that people live too long now. We used to have population pyramids; now they look more like Greek vases, with a big mass of older people resting on a decelerating rate of population growth. So isn’t the cumulative impact of advancing biomedical research into longevity going to be to worsen every single one of the social problems you point to?

        Peter Thiel: I don’t agree with the Steve Jobs commencement speech. I’m deeply skeptical about any sort of rationalization of death. It’s tricky to make the ethics too consequentialist, because even if it were true that longevity is bankrupting the welfare state or the healthcare system, we can’t unlearn the things we’ve learned. The goal of longevity research is for people to live longer and healthier lives. If it succeeds, the key thing is just to raise the retirement age. Retirement in many cases at age 65 is absurd given present life expectancy, which has been going up two and a half years each decade. In 1840, 46 years was the maximum life expectancy (among Swedish women); today it’s 86 years (among Japanese women). And every day that you survive, your life expectancy goes up something like five or six hours. So the policy calibration should be to have an automatic increase of the retirement age by three months per year.

        LOL — death is evil

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 11:26 am The Shocker

        “dictators die and the power they took from the people, will return to the people and so long as men die [now] liberty will never perish. . .”

        It wasn’t too long ago when the changing of governments was measured in generations, and charlie chaplin reminds us of this. The wheel of time eventually crushes bad ideas.. but it turns s l o w l y

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 9:12 pm james

      Just because you enjoy surfing a wave does not mean you have 2 ignore the rocks up ahead.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 11:01 pm John Norman Howard

      Headline for ya, kid… I said the same thing to all the naysayers some forty years ago, and now I see all their warnings come to fruition.

      Stay tuned, your generation will have a ringside seat for the Apocalypse… and if you’re lucky some old man will teach you to hunt… or how to hunt to the hunters.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 2:45 am DFCtomm

      You are standing in the middle of the road about to be ran over and you don’t even realize it, but don’t feel bad. You have a lot of company.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 11:28 am john

      “…theyre the ones doing the actual fucking,” So Alpha-Beta-Omega doesnt apply to you? “Spend time with more young people…” Thats the general idea!!!

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 2:31 pm The Shocker

        I’m here for two reasons 1) I enjoy participating in communities at the forefront of developing something new. The best UK d&b and dub artists created the sound now taking over the world when they were nothings in UK ghettos. I used to get high with the slackliner who just got his 15 minutes doing the half-time show with Madonna, and I got to see him build his slacklife sub-culture from the ground up and he’s now living his life to the fullest. That creative identity forming journey is the sweetest adventure in boring american life, and CH with its wackjob regulars and backwards drudge report right wing slant is the closest thing I’ve found to cutting edge ghetto in a subject very dear to me- dropping panties. Reason 2, I want to spin plates. Most men never even see what it’s like when a girl is trying to get at an-demand guy. I’m talking go over to his house in a pea coat and nothing else because he plays basketball. Send him dirty texts at 2am in hopes he’ll let you come over. I’ve seen it my whole life, lately its the only sex I want and I want more of it. This is the only community I’ve found (other than bro culture) that comes close to describing the attitude and behavior to get tail to dance like this.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 12:34 am Anonymous

        I call bullshit on this.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 12:44 pm John Norman Howard

        Bullshit at best, nigger babble/worship at worst.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 1:31 pm balzac

        I’ve experienced it, I had a girl take a bus for 45 minutes wearing nothing but an overcoat to surprise me at work. I married her and went beta. Now divorced. Lesson learned.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 6:17 pm The Shocker

        Bullshit on what? That horny girls do this shit? Read the first entry in this one:

        http://deadspin.com/5884057/the-sad-story-of-the-sorority-girl-the-scrappy-guard-and-the-law-that-came-between-them

        Girls do this all the time. I said I see it everywhere, I didn’t say I’m always the recipient. Like I’m some wanna-be guru for mentioning this stuff? Yea.. me and that paragon of pussy slaying, Justin Long: http://youtu.be/_guTlGpi__c

        How is this even a question in a PUA blog. Like I said, ghetto.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 11:58 am uh

        Fuck off with your kaffir narcissism. “Spin plates”, “dub artists”, “dirty texts” — another spoiled, dependent little urban eater with a god complex.

        Go paint yourself brown you punk. You don’t deserve white skin as a uniform.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 11:28 pm John Norman Howard

        The boy doesn’t understand yet that his skin is going to be an actual uniform one day… whereas the combatants can easily tell one another apart… not like trying to suss out Charlie in the jungle, back in the day.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 2:43 am The Shocker

        Ha, is that what folk in your part of the world call rich people?

        Black people/rich folks, you’re confusing the two groups you hate there, eh redneck?

        ‘Yall should re-evaluate the usefulness of hate in getting laid– it don’t work good.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 11:25 am uh

        Wannabe kaffir punk —

        “eh redneck?”

        I’m from New York and live in LA. Before this I was in Miami.

        I know your kind very well. You’re everywhere these days, spoiled narcissistic mass-men, er, boys, totally dependent on urban infrastructure to survive and pursue your delusions of grandeur.

        You’re fucking nothing. Your urban wonderland depends on supply lines, coal, oil, and tradesmen to keep things in working order.

        When all the trades are filled with incompetent Mexicans “who work hard”, in cities with administrations staffed by incompetent blacks, and the cost of fuel and commodities shoot up — you narcissistic delusions will take a plunge, and you’ll be grabbing your crotch like the impotent useless consumer savage that you are.

        Keep obsessing about your “plates” and your mindless “dub” garbage, juvenile. It won’t last forever.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 7:48 am Ian

        I’ve always wanted to meet a white African who didn’t hate kaffirs. The media keep telling me that they exist, but I’m not seeing it.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 2:40 pm Anonymous

        lol, between John Norman Howard, Tyrone, and “uh”, I don’t know which of you makes me laugh hardest.

        Why do I get the feeling that the you guys only display all this “Alpha courage” behind the keyboard and society is completely oblivious you in real life?

        *sniff sniff* “massa, I’m gettin a whif of keyboard courage!”

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 4:46 pm John Norman Howard

        Ironic to talk about keyboard courage, posting as Anonymous, and giggling as you attempt to chide with your shithouse psychology.

        Fail more, tickle-me-Elmo.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 5:28 pm Anon

        ignore the racetards. You got your own tweet.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 12:39 pm John Norman Howard

        Anon, faceless voice of the muh-dik-tards.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 6:45 pm Lara

        Tell your friend Madonna’s halftime show sucked.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 10:58 pm AISOR

        If you want to get laid with any regularity, you have to stop being the type of person who reacts negatively or jealously when they read comments like this.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm John Norman Howard

        Disdaining whiggers jealousy, dimwit.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 12:43 pm John Norman Howard

        Apparently the forum software eradicates the “” sign… previous post should read:

        Disdaining whiggers (does not equate to) jealousy, dimwit.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 7:46 am Ian

        Someone who’s normal on CH? Ridiculous.

        The numbers of the bitter and twisted around here can be a bit tiring eh?

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 11:28 am uh

        Someone’s absorbed the anti-white narrative.

        We are “bitter and twisted” for not wanting to live like b-bo’ staaahhhz and “spin plates” at da cluuuub.

        You’re a symptom. You’re also a kaffir apologist. So fuck off.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 12:41 pm John Norman Howard

        But the number of whiggers and muh-dikkers enliven, eh?

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 10:17 am King A

        This is Heartiste’s “apex alpha male”? Some skinny “plate spinning” metrosexual skeeze who bottom-feeds off club smeg as his reason for being? And the rest of the world smells like Grampa’s house to him? No wonder this site has the politics of a mongoloid schizophrenic.

        The “Shocker” is so bleeding edge, y’all. That’s why he drops Fukuyama/Thiel pieces from The American Interest on us like heavy beats. It’s a fusion of ChingChongLingLong ex-neocon breakcore with libertarian technotopia homobeat. TASTE THE BASS. BURNNNND.

        “That creative identity forming journey is the sweetest adventure in boring american life…” to someone overly impressed by novelty. Remind me why anyone should give a fuck about the demi-fag pioneers of the latest innovations in dubba wubba? The self-styled “Shocker” is actually reactive and dependent, defining himself against what came before and imagining this proves his independence — rather than asserting his “identity” no matter how it may or may not scandalize Daddy Drudge-Reader. It’s a young man’s complex, to think his predictable “rebellion” against the bourgeois constitutes the ultimate “adventure” that even those of us who have been there/done that/moved past should still envy.

        Women are easy, in general. Today? More than just easy, they’re basically cost-free in this perfect storm of their maximum ignorance, instinct, and defenselessness. That means half-formed runts like Shocker can build a sand castle and declare himself king of the “actual fucking” without having to achieve elite status — international movie star, titan of industry, Prime Minister of Italy, world-class athlete — and then try to lecture us about how his low-rent club-rat dragnet lifestyle fantasy exemplifies the “apex” of alpha.

        When your dad is a pussy, it’s not hard to rebel against him. Please stop imagining your little intrafamilial achievement impresses the world.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 4:49 pm John Norman Howard

        A tip o’ the cap on this one… well done.

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  8. on February 10, 2012 at 4:29 pm Caballero

    As our society sits right now, everybody just does whatever pleases them because doing so doesn’t lead to death, hunger, or shame like it would have hundreds of ago. All people are hedonistic whores at their core. Prosperity allows them to unleash that side of them with no immediate consequences.

    [heartiste: therein lies one of the main problems with the current situation. the consequences aren’t immediate. and so the decay can continue unthwarted. works for me on a personal level, but not so good on a societal level.]

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 4:50 pm askjoe

      no, that’s not it. What’s happening is that investment in long term strategies…reproductive ones for the AFC’s out there…is being actively punished.

      It’s not that we’re hedonists so much so as moral hazard is now the currency and cancer of the land.

      Anyone who invests time or effort into a better end is a fool. Oh, you went to college and studied? sucker. low-IQ union thugs make more than you. You strived to be the best man for a girl based on beta literature?. Surprise, you are an undatedable beta.

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 5:44 pm danielj

        Maybe you aren’t capable of hacking it with us low iq union thugs?

        College is for bitches, faggots and sociology majors.

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 3:51 pm Joost

        I don’t know what they teach in colleges where you go to, but I’m getting that engineering degree to actually -learn- to do something useful.

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 9:59 pm anononono

        And then they hire a H1B1 over you to satisfy diversity requirements. And engineering degree…not exactly the life path rife with the bitches.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 12:48 pm John Norman Howard

        Don’t let the slack-jaws badmouth an engineering degree… it’ss your best shot at learning something useful and getting a decent job worthy of a man’s talent… diversity only goes so far, as many places (who actually have to get something accomplished) are learning.

        My oldest son went the engineering route, and he’s been writing his own ticket since graduation two years ago… can’t say the same for his peers who pursued other less-demanding degrees.

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 8:50 pm ken

        …only for people not getting STEM majors and getting jobs that utilize that knowledge, such as my engineering degree and career.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 12:17 pm askjoe

        Oh yeah, STEM degrees are probably the only reason left to go to college but my point is that you’ll still be out-earned (and have a better bullet proof pension) as a union thug at GM or the NYC public school system. An engineer fucks up in the private sector, he gets fired, and probably never rehired. A public school teacher screws up…nothing…a public school teacher really fucks up…spends the rest of her career in a rubber room collecting pay until the pension kicks in. There are rumors that the rubber rooms ended but I tell you what, you get 10 years out of college, and that 401K/IRA becomes something very real to you. And your 401K will never be as fat as the defined benefit pension that, say, a California lifeguard gets. paid for by you, sucker.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 4:55 pm John Norman Howard

        Good point about accountability vis-a-vis public and private sectors…

        But those well-paid union jobs of yesteryear have disappeared (can you say steel?) and the few that remain continue to disappear even faster than the H1B1 imports are arriving.

        STEM degrees over Lib Arts will continue be the way to go… even if you wind up only fixing the rich man’s toys.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 11:09 am danielj

        Hey. Fucking asshole.

        It was a bunch of whiz kid STEM types and their jew buddies walking straight out of the American Psycho text that “engineered” the collapse of America, that brought GM to it’s knees, that “engineered” the bailout and is working hard on convincing White kids that college is the answer.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 11:34 am John Norman Howard

        Lighten up, Francis… MBA and Accounting aren’t truly under the umbrella of engineering, and when folks speak of STEM, they don’t mean the book-cooking arts.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 11:40 am askjoe

        damn, danj. Blaming a bunch of socialists for ruining an economy is like blaming a chicken for laying an egg. However, the fannie mae crowd, the union thugs (or at least their leaders), and the Ben Bernake are not “the STEM crowd.”

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 12:35 pm danielj

        No matter the job, whether it be engineering or simple laboring, the public sector out-earns the private. It isn’t just STEMS getting the SHAFT.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 10:50 am danielj

        Would you like me to inform you as to what you’ll be doing with that engineering degree of yours?

        The chances are, if you aren’t H1b’ed into permanent college debt that you’ll not be engineering much.

        Think about what I’m saying. I’m on your side White brother.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 12:12 pm danielj

        I couldn’t reply above.

        Complex derivative markets weren’t invented by math averse MBA Guys. These were stem boys.

        Nobody in my union is a doctrine socialist. Only the Longshoremen in Frisco are like that. They are actually mostly White Nationalists with mildly socialist, hand-up tendencies. The leadership is obviously in bed with Democratic establishment but this is over the objection of the membership.

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 6:17 pm Ben

        “Anyone who invests time or effort into a better end is a fool. Oh, you went to college and studied? sucker. low-IQ union thugs make more than you. You strived to be the best man for a girl based on beta literature?. Surprise, you are an undatedable beta.”

        Needed repeating.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 12:50 pm John Norman Howard

        Only the beta literature part.

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 6:18 pm Tyrone

        Excellent observation. This is the other side of the coin.

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      • on February 10, 2012 at 9:49 pm Anonymous2

        “Anyone who invests time or effort into a better end is a fool. Oh, you went to college and studied? sucker. low-IQ union thugs make more than you. You strived to be the best man for a girl based on beta literature?. Surprise, you are an undatedable beta.”

        All so true. Yet, a certain ethnic group isn’t being blamed for the idiocy and degeneracy of Amerikwa.

        Hint: It isn’t the blacks.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 12:00 pm uh

        http://age-of-treason.blogspot.com/2012/02/white-guide-to-jewish-narrative.html

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 1:54 am Anonymous

      On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
      (Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
      Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
      And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”
      –like Kipling said

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 10:20 am Thor

      Agreed. And the consequences are not immediate. But this has been going on for so long that the “not immediate” is arriving. It already arrived in Greece, some other bum and beggar countries like Italy, Portugal and the US are soon to follow.

      Thor

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  9. on February 10, 2012 at 4:36 pm Anon

    King A’s gonna love that shit.

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 5:23 pm Harkat

      Word. Anticipating sermon in 3…2…1…

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    • on February 10, 2012 at 8:17 pm m;

      King A (Sovereign truth his companion.) “I AM the Way …”

      ‘Then the prophecies of the old songs have turned out to be true, after a fashion!’ said Bilbo.

      ‘Of course!’ said Gandalf. ‘And why should not they prove true? Surely you don’t disbelieve the prophecies, because you had a hand in bringing them about yourself? You don’t really suppose, do you, that all your adventures and escapes were managed by mere luck just for your sole benefit? You are a very fine person, Mr Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!’

      ‘Thank goodness!’ said Bilbo laughing, and handed him the tobacco-jar.

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  10. on February 10, 2012 at 4:53 pm Anonymous

    Damn straight… we’re fuckin’ spolied (and so are most women, especially).

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  11. on February 10, 2012 at 4:56 pm GeishaKate

    Personally, I’m looking forward to the end 🙂

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  12. on February 10, 2012 at 5:15 pm t3soro

    > Maxim #1,000: Prosperity contains within it the seed of its own destruction.

    Spiderman had it first – with great power, comes great responsibility

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  13. on February 10, 2012 at 5:24 pm maurice

    Yeah, it’s the Fall of Rome all over again. The loss of the old republican virtues (small r), the explicily imperial role and an overweening state bureaucracy, open plutocracy and cronyism, decadence, debauchery, collapse. Our bread-and-circuses are reality TV and NASCAR. The republican virtues, and their associated order of fairness, law, and tradition, being, of course, what caused the prosperity. When they’re gone as a foundation- nowhere to go but down.

    Not sure who our Alaric the Goth will be- maybe he’s an Hispanic toddler from East LA destined to make the cultural reconquista a political one, maybe a Muslim preacher inspired by the separatist mosques in the UK, maybe something else. Read St Augustine for a perspective on what it’s like to live through the collapse of a great civilization.

    I think the saving grace might be that American democracy, aided by modern instantaneous media, is much more adaptable and responsive to popular anger than other systems with more rigid ruling classes. The two political parties have a history of quickly incorporating new movements into themselves to stay relevant in the competition for votes. This year, see: tea party, OWS, etc. It may be that the ruling class is forced to mend its ways. Perhaps not in time, or perhaps not in a way that shakes the SWPL ideology off.

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  14. on February 10, 2012 at 5:27 pm Tyrone

    In Ancient Greece, war was how this was dealt with. Fathers, sons, uncles, brothers, cousins all served in the phalanx together. When the major powers started hiring principally mercenaries to fight their wars after the Peloponesion War, Greece became decadent, eventually ending up under Rome.

    In Switzerland, which suffers from exactly this problem, its mandatory military service goes a long way to creating social cohesion through mutual hardship. Switzerland is by far the most well run liberal state in the world. Everyone participates in the running of the state at at least this level of interaction and it makes Switzerland survive despite the rest of Europe desperately wanting to socialize it.

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  15. on February 10, 2012 at 5:28 pm Tyrone

    I also think this was a big reason Madison foresaw the creation of a national militia rather than a large standing army.

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  16. on February 10, 2012 at 5:30 pm Maya

    too tired to read this post … too difficult for me. i don’t understand it 😦

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 12:11 am Heywood Jablome

      Shocking.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 12:04 pm Maya

        not really. happens very often.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 12:55 pm John Norman Howard

      Don’t bother your pretty little head over this “man stuff”, honey.

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  17. on February 10, 2012 at 5:39 pm PA

    “The only thing we know for certain is that they won’t go easily to their irrelevance”

    But they will get old, retire, and die.

    On a related note, overheard: “America is at that awkward stage — too late to work within the system, too early to start hanging her leaders.”

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  18. on February 10, 2012 at 5:46 pm Samuel

    As much as people like to point to ‘religion’ as the cause of all wars, and an inherently malevolent and undesirable thing….

    Could it be that faith in a God can be a major factor in preventing the decline in civilization, and that the widespread abandonment of faith has everything to do with uninhibited behavior? Behavior that is destructive, but not immediately so?

    As the bible says, “sin is pleasurable for a season”

    I’m not going to suggest that all this stuff proves the bible or anything, but there sure as hell seems to be a correlation. I see the abandonment of faith as driven by people’s desire to get back to their base barbarianism and be free of anything that suppresses them, even if that suppression was saving their life or preserving their own future.

    The bible talks plenty about stifling our ‘sin nature’ and choosing to be MUCH more ethical, loyal, and consistent then we would be when left to our own devices.

    I’d be curious to get anyone’s take on how this relates. Prosperity and technology is messing everything up, for sure… but perhaps it is doing so also by making it so easy for people to abandon faiths and thereby any semblance of morality.

    We wouldn’t be having hypergamy problems if people still believed there was a hell waiting for them.

    People say this is the enlightened age, where we don’t have to be slaves to the constructs of religion and archaic beliefs that were only designed for control and served no other purpose.

    Some folks gotta learn the hard way…

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 12:49 pm Tyrone

      Absolutely. Another interesting fact about faith is that it is consistently a major element in survival of difficult circumstances. The Turks lost by far the fewest POWs taken by the North Koreans because of their strong Muslim faith. This was also true of Americans and British troops taken as POWs. Those with the strongest religious faith survived in the greatest proportion. The Soviets experienced the same phenomenon too.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 12:14 pm Thor

        A, yes, the good old NKorean POW camps. Most instructive.

        One of the reasons many US POWs fell for this is that they
        were very naive, I mean this factually, not as a moral deficiency.
        They typically had no breadth of understanding of Western
        and specifically US culture and politics, what was great about
        it and what the problems and putative problems were.

        But more to the point, the NK officers KNEW EXACTLY
        how to run this. The operant method is now well known,
        then less so. The Chinese term is Hsi Nau, brainwash,
        and is value-neutral, like laundry. Who would want
        an old dirty brain when you can get it cleanied?

        The overarching method does not have a name
        AFAIK, but I will call it “Managed peer pressure”.
        The term is deliberately value neutral, the method
        is powerful and can be used for good or evil.

        One of the subsets are therapy forms classed under
        “Group Therapy” (also “anger management classes”,
        “sensitivity training” etc ad nauseam). Here the
        “class” is gathered under the tutelage of the
        instructor/therapist. And he skilfully (often)
        leads the sheeplings, creates a core of believers,
        and peer pressure does most of the hard work.
        Now this is fine if it can help people get off
        the booze, get off obesity (cf. Weight Watchers)
        etc. So it is not all bad.

        Another possible version came out of the Rand
        corporation, called the Delphi method, but relied
        less on guiding the consensus.

        Yet another almost hilarious version is the
        bugs bunny disneyland
        (google for it) version, which had the advantage
        over the NK guys that they could be picky about
        whom they worked with, but OTOH had no means
        of force and little of intimidation to work with.
        Google for it, seriously!

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 1:01 pm Tyrone

      I think it is this as well as the distance our elites enjoy from nature and from those who must live closer to nature by producing something rather than living from rent seeking. We have stages or classes of prosperity, each of the lower ones imitating the class right above it. Only the very upper classes can enjoy a life free from responsibility and they imitate the lowest classes in this manner, forming a grand circle of shifting power. The wealthy families that have retained wealth for tens of generations are strict with how they bring up their children and force them to endure hardships in order to give them at least an artificial sense of death’s lurking chill breath.

      This is why we need some form of national service, a draft plus other types of service. helping forest rangers, or working in hospitals, etc. It builds a common sense of cohesion and forces the elites to be exposed to other people and cultures. I think this is a big reason the elites and th4e SWPLs who imitate them, have such a mania for diversity. In their own lives, they have so little.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 2:13 pm Thor

      Yup. Although I am personally not a believer in the big boss
      monkey in the sky, I nevertheless see the wisdom of such
      things as the Ten Commandments. Some believe they were
      of divine origin, many such as yours truly do not. But either way,
      they are a brilliant invention to keep intra-tribe fighting down,
      which is to the benefit of just about everybody in the tribe,
      in the long run. (Never mind the intro commandments,
      which are packaging to enforce and legitimize the rest –
      or at least that’s how I see it. )

      Thor

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 2:51 pm John Norman Howard

      Good point… and as Napoleon was said to have remarked, in warfare, the spiritual outweighs the material three to one.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 2:54 am Ruffslitch

      Reading the Bible teaches us that human nature really has not changed much in the few thousand years we have of recorded history. When those in power ,under pressure from ignorant, short-sighted leaders of special interest groups, enact laws contrary to human nature you get what we have in America today.

      Today’s schools are the source of indoctrination for leftist purposes. We, and an increasing number of families, homeschool so we can control when and how our children learn about the world. And so we can teach them to hunt, fish, make leather from scratch, and how to cook over a campfire, in addition to how to kick serious butt on Halo.

      Honestly, the ultimate act of stupidity, for example, is to kill a child because it is “inconvenient.” Children are how we procreate-duh! You kill your future when your kill your children. Our Founding Fathers were spot on limiting government power. If government did only what is was constitutionally allowed to do I doubt we’d be as broke as we are right now.

      Whitney Houston died today as a result of indulging her penchant for sensual pleasures. All that fame and money meant nothing once she was hooked on drugs. She is a perfect example of how our sinful earthly self can fall prey to pleasures of the flesh which last only as long as the flesh does. However, the intangible pleasures of influence on ones’ children, etc. are of the spiritual realm and will reverberate through history,however silently. Which isn’t all that gratifying to one’s ego but one must pick one’s poison,eh?

      H.G.Wells’ “The Time Machine” shows how pitiful humanity’s attempts at grandiose proclamations of fame are: far into the earth’s future the Traveler finds a nearly-dead planet. All of our portraits, history books, news articles,etc.are long dust. Of what use is fame then?

      Humility is a useful concept, much as that concept might not sit well with this blog. 🙂

      P.S. I am an extremely alpha female.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 12:19 pm uh

      http://fringe.davesource.com/Fringe/Religion/Average-intelligence-predicts-atheism-rates-across-137-nations-Lynn-et-al.pdf

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence

      “Tolerance the chief virtue of those who believe in nothing.”

      What we need in the West is Christian shari’a. I say this as a “hard determinist”. If religion — that is, the pathological belief in invisible agency presiding over and influencing events — was adaptive, it’s as necessary to social health as exercise and green vegetables. It is great bloody fun to wage war upon christers and hopers, but at the end of this, what we need to combat liberal society is believers.

      A society overcome by atheism is spineless (France). A society with a healthy religious sense is indomitable no matter how fierce the enemy (Lebanon).

      Unfortunately, HBD has revealed that these variables are fairly precisely correlated with the coefficient of inbreeding; so the most out-bred or least consanguineous groups, Europeans and Northwest Europeans especially, are thus the most liberal in the world, indeed invented liberalism, while the rest of the world is some degree more in-bred or nearly related, thus exhibiting greater religiosity and ethnocentrism.

      And that’s what we’re after, isn’t it. The white make must reawaken to himself — in fact awaken to himself as he never has before.

      But too much is in the way of that. If we can’t even say “We don’t want Mexicans here because they are not us” without controversy, we certainly will never see the day when government turns its eye on population genetics.

      We’d be better off just importing a few hundred-thousands of Pashtuns to run wild on the kaffirs, beaners and kikes.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 7:02 pm attractionreaction

        “What we need in the West is Christian shari’a.”

        Incorrect. White people need to start learning about our heritage (PIE), instead of all this angry, blood-thirsty Middle-Eastern volcano god BS (YHWH).

        http://www.ceisiwrserith.com/pier/index.htm

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 11:46 am uh

        Been there.

        1 – Monotheism is still thriving. Polytheism of any kind is dead, or for Hindus. I love Hindus, and love the Old Aryans, but don’t expect Europeans to take up Dyaus pita worship or restructure society based on the Vedas or Manusmriti.

        2 – That guy puts a heavy New Age, feminist slant on Proto-Indo-European material, or at least leaves out elements that would “offend” modern readers (not surprising as he seems to have been influenced by Shann M. WInn). Nothing new, they’ve been reinterpreted to suit some personal bias by others before him. The problem is that our wimmin would not have had their slut-walking eyeliner-and-latte life in a primitive patriarchal society as among the Old Aryans. This patriarchal structure did not survive contact with the indigenous Europeans, who are now spineless faggots, but it does survive to various degrees in Russia, Central Asia and India, where women are still mostly subordinate. But it is a good resource, I must admit.

        3 – “White people” are not Aryans / Indo-Europeans by race, but by culture. This unfortunately is the stern lesson of genetics. See here. R1b (and derivatives) = Near East. R1a (and derivatives) = Central Asia. Therefore, hoping that knowledge of the Old Aryans will revivify Western Europeans and descendants is as much an appeal to an alien identity, and obviously a more distant one, than establishing a Christian theocracy capable of setting limits and punishing transgressors. I don’t like it anymore than you do; I’d much rather be on the steppe riding a horse and drinking mare’s milk, but that’s much too distant, and anyhow, that isn’t the sort of life or ideology that can manage a sprawling civilization. For just this reason, the Vedic gods succumbed to the native Harappan gods like Shiva, Nandi, and Kali. Even “Krishna” means “black”. Can you imagine the Aryans, with their god of the day, worshiping blackness?

        4 – I love your blog!

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 6:13 pm attractionreaction

        I’m not suggesting that we ride mares on the steppes, or return to polytheism, or accept that website’s guy’s views on everything. I just want White people (by definition, of European-heritage) to learn the facts of history, esp. as they differ from the “narrative” that is best for the Jews and the Evangies.

        also, the book “Ten Thousand Year Explosion” (+ Diamond’s “Guns, Germs and Steel”, despite his Liberal spin) makes it clear that the mutation for lactose persistence spawned the PIE culture, which is the root of Western Civ. I think this is the ideological basis of many Liberals’ “not milk” BS..

        re: #4, thanks!

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 2:12 pm Thor

        A, yes good old Diamond. But if you read his Guns, Germs and Steel,
        you should also read Landes’ book “The Wealth and Poverty
        of Nation”.

        The former argues that geography rules all.
        The latter argues that good institutions are paramount.

        There is lots of truth in the latter, but many good points
        in the former. Example: South Africa was never settled
        by the Bantu, because the crops they knew how to grow
        were too tropical. The Dutch, bringing wheat, rye etc
        had no problem with that. (Then, after the Dutch had
        settled, large numbers of Bantu migrated down seeking
        employment from the Dutch).

        Thor

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 2:45 pm Graham

      You may be right about traditional religion being socially beneficial. But which is the means, and which the end? What is higher and nobler on the scale of values and ends: taking nectar with angels, the salvation of souls, even hypostatic union with God; versus a bourgeois moralism, urged upon us by some Chateau readers and others because, essentially, it favours the mass of beta males?

      If traditional religion is good because it promotes social cohesion and morality, then what are social cohesion and morality good for? Just themselves? Morality is good because … morality is good? Oh, I see, morality is good because it preserves “civilization”. But wait, what’s civilization good for? What would Aristotle say is the ‘final cause’ here? Fair warning: if our final cause is anything less than the True, Good, and Beautiful, then at bottom we’re no different from the current Lords of Lies.

      Maybe the invisible forces that vivify and virilize cultures are nothing but the fruits of the so-called theological virtues – Faith, Hope, and Charity – taken in the stern sense of the Fathers. Maybe culture itself is nothing but a phenomenon emerging from the intellect submitted and fructified by love of God and neighbour.

      And incidentally, love of neighbour requires us to practice honesty, which precludes us from acting as spokesman for a faith that deep down we think we’re too good for, and from promoting religion for others while ourselves maintaining a pseudo-intellectual’s cynicism for everything that hints of “superstition” or the miraculous. Such a position would be a hypocritical pretense, and in the ultimate analysis, uncreative, impotent, too weak to shake a leaf, let alone move a mountain. It is a lie and not even a pretty one. As CH is at pains to remind us, nothing built on lies can last.

      The next step in our possible evolution is the realization that we are the poor souls the Bible addresses, we are those “base barbarians” of “sinful nature”. You and I are the meager shots who, relying on our own vision, our individualism and freedom of thought, forever miss the mark. Faith isn’t just a crutch or social control mechanism for low IQ peasants with “high time preference”. The Christian religion of our ancestors is a warbow aimed with fatal accuracy and bone-snapping tension at a target infinitely greater than 19th Century Anglo-Saxon notions of “law and order” and even “civilization”.

      Please, social conservatives, don’t make religion a tool for your parochial opinions and ideologies. We need religion, but not for the sake of social morality.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 3:21 pm Maya

      Good comment.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 1:36 am Deepcov3r

        Religion, outside of the cavemen who run around milking goats in the Middle East and Amish cows in the US is on the way out. Media publicity is merely shouting.

        If you look at US census figures, 1990-2000 the percentage of people who said “no religion” doubled from about 7 percent to about 15.

        That’s not an “other” as i recall, it’s a “no”.

        Did you know Zoroastrianism was the most popular religion in the world at one time? People ditch this stuff in a couple centuries when a new vendor comes along.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 12:02 pm Thor

        How are people like me classified. I am a heathen, does
        that make me “other”? Not my pseudonym.

        Thor

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 12:03 pm Thor

        Should have been NOTE my pseudonym.

        Thor

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  19. on February 10, 2012 at 5:56 pm Leif

    Prosperity is not the root of the problem. Sure, strictly speaking has prosperity given females more access to pursue alpha beyond the tribal days when they might know 100 males their entire life? Yes, but….

    This country experienced unprecedented prosperity in the 1950s and families in that age lived much better than even the kings of 100 years ago before them. Yet….there was less premarital sex and less social decay than today and the USA was ascending, not declining.

    What I’m saying is prosperity beyond a certain point is irrelevant, or at least has rapidly diminishing returns beyond a relatively low level of security and comfort in life. Through a caveman’s eyes, the level of wealth between 1950 and 2012 is negligible.

    What has changed are social and cultural norms, and I’m of the view much of this arises from the welfare state. Want to subsidize laziness, drug habits, and single motherhood? Reward them by giving them welfare money! Want to subsidize 4 year sex and booze parties that have become a rite of passage for an entire generation? Give everyone a loan for college!

    It’s the growth of government that has caused this decay, specifically the welfare state. NOT prosperity. The USA has been the most prosperous nation for a long time and prior generations maintained and advanced civilization.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 2:15 pm Thor

      I cannot but agree.

      Thor

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 2:54 pm John Norman Howard

      The country was prosperous in the fifties, but the effect of men abrogating their responsibilities and women realizing they were no longer bound by the old mores took a few years to have effect… witness the sixties and beyond… it didn’t take long.

      Without said prosperity, no respect for the “tune in, turn on, drop out” bullshit… and no extra money for welfare nanny-state garbage.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 12:20 am Heywood Jablome

      Eviscerate Leviathan, and you reintroduce consequences for foolish behavior.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 1:19 am Anonymous

      Agree. Sadly.

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  20. on February 10, 2012 at 6:06 pm John Matthewson

    This is your magnum opus. Let’s see the Roosh worshippers process this through their anti-Americanism filters. Some dark truths will emerge.

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  21. on February 10, 2012 at 6:13 pm Joshua

    Well, it took a while for a semi-educated curious gentleman like me to get my head around evo psych, game, and the other well-known chateau paradigms.

    Good luck with the ADD crowd out there.

    Whether the ship is sinking or not, I don’t think we’re gonna get the definitive answers in our lifetime, and civilization as we know it is by definition always walking on a tight rope, and faces many more challenges…
    Besides, leftists will never capitulate. Egalitarianism and other memes are deeply ingrained in their little heads, perhaps another evolutionary advantage.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 12:42 pm uh

      It is wrong to view the normal psychological power process as having “evolutionary advantage” — though the force of belief ultimately derives from it. There is obviously no actual “evolutionary advantage” in millions of members of a subspecies that believe they must subordinate their interests to another subspecies absolutely without benefit. On the other hand, it is possible to view equalism as “adaptive” in that it lessens the anxiety of existing within a multiracial society which had desegregation forced upon it (Jews, WASPs, the Kennedy clan). If people are forced to mingle with kaffirs, in other words, it would behoove them to act peaceably — unfortunately whites are inherently ethical while the merest semblance of ethical behavior in blacks is hard-won and forever tenuous, their behavioral norm being plainly observable in Liberia (the 52nd state, see OccidentalDissent), Congo (still the heart of darkness), and good old Zimbabwe. So whites become increasingly self-effacing and deferential, showering ever greater amounts of money and goodwill upon the kaffirs, while kaffirs wax ever more spoiled, resentful, feral, and savagely violent.

      I think it is best to view the tenacity of the equalist faith as having to do with class. All faiths makes hypocrites of their believers, for because life is prior to faith, and faith cannot explain life, only give it some narrow interpretation. It takes place in time / history, i.e. the evolved human perspective, and therefore is just another fallible projection of frontal cortex. So all believers are hypocrites because they have accepted haphazard limits to thought and inquiry. (Just witness King A, the condescending, philandering, “nietzschean” Christian.) Equalism is the new faith, obviously, and in the same manner as bourgeois Christians, and airhead cunts, claim to “love everyone”, while not handing over their worldly possessions to the nearest homeless people, white equalists don’t move to Zimbabwe and proclaim the brotherhood of man from the safety of their suburbs or urban flats. And just as believers love to forgive aggressors, so do equalists when they are mugged by reality; often the forgiveness is post-Christian equalism. In this way they are shielded from the truth of race, and the obligation to stand for it.

      Spineless whites, in short, who won’t risk public censure. At this dysgenic extreme, when one’s child is walking blind prey for the first black savage who psks psks along with evil intent, this isn’t even personally adaptive — as it’s a direct threat to one’s offspring! Just like that white father who minimized his daughter’s assault at the hands, and feet, of a pack of wild human baboons on the Portland TriMet:

      http://mindweaponsinragnarok.wordpress.com/2012/01/14/dishonorable-white-father-compares-his-daughters-savage-beating-to-a-grain-of-sand/

      This sort of apathy is not “adaptive”, is not “fit”, and doesn’t matter anyhow in a welfare state where all are “entitled” to survive.

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  22. on February 10, 2012 at 6:14 pm SnogHaw

    Women don’t need men for money, security, protection, or employment. They need men for one thing. Babies. And those that don’t want babies? They can do whatever the fuck they want. And that is who I date. She’s got her own house, own money, own career. No marriage. No kids. It’s the golden age, motherfuckers. Enjoy it.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 2:58 pm John Norman Howard

      There’s a scene in Metropolis where the aristos are partying and dancing and one broad joyously cries out:

      “Wir wollen sehen, wie die Welt zum Teufel geht!”

      That sort of hedonistic nihilism is not befitting a White man.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 12:45 pm uh

        A man who calls this “the golden age” is truly led by his other head.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 5:18 pm DiamondEyes

      Fucking them is one thing, but could you ever fall in love with a woman like that? Are you saying a life devoid of love is a Golden Age?

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  23. on February 10, 2012 at 6:16 pm Ben

    You think prosperity was behind the proto counter culture revolution? Pretty shocking if true.

    Personally, I think there’s more to it than that. Western culture was corrupted / weakened. I think the fact that (relatively) many young, probably alpha, men died during the world wars is significant and that this had a weakening effect on society.

    Sentimentality is the corruption [1]. I don’t think necessarily that an easy prosperity, that allowed it to be humoured without consequence, is the deciding factor though.

    Maybe the mind virus of sentimentality was introduced into W.S. by immigrants and/or people returning from postings to the colonies.

    (Side note: All this feels like 12 Monkeys but not as bad–could be maybe some day though.)

    [1]: See:

    http://www.amazon.com/Not-Bang-But-Whimper-Politics/dp/1566637953

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoilt_Rotten:_The_Toxic_Cult_of_Sentimentality

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 10:23 am Tyrone

      I think women’s influence naturally became stronger with the decimation of alpha males. Even betas were tough and strong in those days. Sentimentalism suddenly seemed morally right as a reaction to the wars in the first half of the 20th century. In addition, this sentimentalism was also manipulted through Soviet efforts to undermine western culture and prepare it for Communism. This is what Kruschev was implying when he said the West would fall to Communism without a shot being fired. If you look closely, nearly all popular SWPL views are Marxist in nature.

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 11:11 pm Ben

        “Sentimentalism suddenly seemed morally right as a reaction to the wars in the first half of the 20th century.”

        Interestingly, Dalrymple writes about this in “The New Vichy Syndrome,” [1] using the plays that came out just after the war to show how society had become more sentimental.

        “In addition, this sentimentalism was also manipulted through Soviet efforts to undermine western culture and prepare it for Communism.”

        Excellent point. Indeed they’re still doing it:

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9051835/Russia-says-Wests-UN-effort-over-Syria-path-to-civil-war.html

        This seems to me a piece of agitprop, designed to appeal to a certain type of Westerner, sentimentally. (Syria is already at Civil war and Russia wants the brutal regime to crush the uprising because of the economic connections it currently has with its dictator.)

        “If you look closely, nearly all popular SWPL views are Marxist in nature.”

        Soviet Russia. Has there ever been a more evil empire?

        [1]: http://www.amazon.com/New-Vichy-Syndrome-Intellectuals-Surrender/dp/1594033722

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 12:49 pm uh

        “If you look closely, nearly all popular SWPL views are Marxist in nature.”

        Yep. You’re an idiot if you can’t distinguish fashion from ideology.

        I’ll give you one little hint here. It starts with j, ends with w, with a vowel between.

        That ought to set the goyish hamster a-spinning!

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 1:53 am Deepcov3r

        Ever see that photo of a Nazi soldier leveling his rifle an unarmed Jewish woman in a field as she clutches her child?

        You must keep some perspective in your ethnic preferences to prevent the most horrific, senseless murder from occurring.

        Better the most dim-witted, liberal protestant who believes all are brothers than the twisted logic of self-styled “elites” (Like the Nazis thought they were) that leads to genocide.

        The poem said something like :”The worst are filled with a burning intensity.”

        If you’re sure you’re right, and people need to be murdered for it– you’re wrong.

        Even the cave man’s religion, Islam, warns against killing civilians.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 12:12 pm Thor

        Oh, no. Islam is NOT a caveman’s religion.
        Or at least not exactly.
        Islam requires a sophisticated civilization….

        That is, a civilization that has at least the level required to
        create caravans. Islam is a religion highly optimized for tribes
        that prey on caravans. Of course the tribes don’t have to
        be sophisticated, just murderous.

        And, in the end of times, substituting ships off the Somalian
        coast for caravans will do nicely.

        Thor

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 8:37 pm James

      Prosperity is what allows poisonous culture and ideology to fester unchecked. People feel less motivated to do something about things that morally outrage them but aren’t an immediate threat when their lives are good. What is needed is a core culture that emphasizes vigilance regardless of how good we have it.

      Minorities are largely just pawns in the higher game played by the left wing victimhood cult. They are convenient targets because it’s a lot easier to convince huge groups of minorities they are oppressed by The Man. Most people simply aren’t principled enough to not take a free lunch when it is offered to them.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 12:54 pm uh

        “What is needed is a core culture that emphasizes vigilance regardless of how good we have it.”

        Huh. A core culture. Something like this perhaps:

        – Inner core (strict adherents)
        – Outer core1 (socially mobile adherents)
        – Outer core2 (socially mobile advocates)
        – Periphery (broad base of socially mobile opportunists)

        Man, if a people could pull off that kind of cultural strategy, they’d have an enormous social advantage!!! It’s a good thing everyone with white skin is the same as everyone else with no divergent interests (< genes)!!

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 11:40 pm John Norman Howard

        In relation to how the two innermost cores operate, I remember hearing an anecdote about Ed Asner… some young actress was working on a movie with him and found him to be a nice avuncular sort of fellow who would often chat and give tips to the younger actors about the business… then one day she mentioned something about the situation in the Middle East, with a bit of sympathy for Palestine… from that day on she was dead to him… shunned her like the plague… in her own words: “It was as if a switch was flipped.”

        YT needs that kind of cadre.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 12:32 pm uh

        That is for the better part how I approach affairs now. The key is having social standing so that the two facets — intolerant self-possession and social proof — will be conveyed to others. One must do the selecting from a position of authority or one just paints oneself into a corner.

        Pro-choice? Fuck you, you’re dead to me.
        Pro-kaffir? Fuck you, you’re dead to me.
        Pro-homo? Fuck you fecophile, you’re dead to me.

        Reframe. Reject. Ridicule.

        The day I left France a few years ago, I was waiting for a train to C.d.Gaulle airport and chatting with a French film student, about directors we dig, you know. Moroccan “youth” (lozozzlz) in full Adidas jumpsuit and a scowl spots me, and hands in pockets thuggee-style heads straight for us and stands almost nose to nose with me. Starts hissing questions at me, where am I from, who am I, blah blah blah. The French kid is paralyzed from fright already, just standing there with his eyes wide. I maintain posture — but instead of feeling hostile I am overcome by detached amusement, so my face is expressionless, with a hint of a smirk on my lips, and as I was munching on a croissant, I just keep munching as I stare back.

        Must have been fifteen seconds of that. Finally the wog realized he had encountered a different kind of animal from his usual spineless Gallic prey, and he almost seemed perplexed; at this point I asked, “What was it you wanted?”, and defused his attitude with some chummy questions, whereupon he walked away in total confusion.

        French kid was ebullient — I can’t believe you did that! I’ve never seen anything like it! Wow, man!

        I like to think that he still remembers that moment from time to time and is less afraid of the wogs for it.

        Another one. I used to have espresso at this little “Latin” cafe in North Miami. Not Latin at all of course, but owned by two Jews, father & son, and their Thai serveuses. One day the father was in, very old, friendly New York type of Jew I am used to from childhood. We chat about old movies and actors. He’s a John Wayne man, I favor Clint Eastwood. Anyway, somehow the talk turns to the War, and he tells me that he followed the advance of the Red Army (you know — that army of Jewish scientists according to magister Dark Triumvir) by radio. And here a glint appeared in his eye. His voice went low, sinister, and declared how damned thrilled he was when they made it to Berlin. He had wanted them to “slaughter them all and rape their women. Fuckin’ Kraut scum.”

        That’s verbatim.

        The switch is very real, but my point is this: Ed Asner was Periphery — yet he still had the switch. We may form the Inner Core, but we don’t have that level of fine-tuned ethnocentric bias. Obviously. Probably never will. All we can do is behave like the Core ourselves.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 5:00 pm John Norman Howard

        Interesting anecdotes… I myself would not have been so sanguine with said Moroccan yute… then again, that sort never seems to approach me on the street, big goon that I appear to be. 😉

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 1:05 pm Redleg

        The ethnocentric bias is from co-dependence and reliance. You are taught to trust other Jews. If you get a job from one, you do the best job you can, because he trusts you, and you trust him. You might argue that Jews only trust or work hard for other Jews, but you would be incorrect. There’s just a level of commitment BEYOND the norm that borders on filial loyalty, even to a near-stranger. That level of trust is the other side of the coin from the paranoia and historical angst. Each side fuels the other. As things get better, or worse, the dynamic grows looser or tighter. There’s also siege mentality: you may be hiding in his basement someday, so be kind and work hard.

        The “switch” as you put it, is where a lifetime of conditioning regarding danger and safety is flipped. All of the socially conscious minutia that you juggle around all day, every day; the pleasantries, the friendliness, the often forced feeling of safety or inclusion in the greater western culture, they all fall to the ground and all that remains standing in that instant is a very raw, old anxiety.

        The cafe owner you spoke of, probably a nice, moderate or liberal guy. He’s spent his whole life living amongst people of diverse cultures, in New York and Miami. He’s fluent in dealing with people of different walks of life, different languages, different foods. Whether or not his employees are servile, he feels comfortable knowing that he can work with them with a degree of mutual benifit. He enjoys a certain amount of overall worldliness, pan-cultural maneuverability. 99% of the time worldliness is the only armor he feels he needs.

        You were exposed to the 1%. Hope it didn’t ruin your latin-“inspired” bagel.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 2:03 pm Thor

        There is a special kind of trust, which can be wielded as a weapon
        and enabling a scam, namely “affinity trust” Italians who landed
        at Ellis Island were scammed by other Italians working the harbor.
        Ditto Irish, Swedes,whatever.

        And Jews will trust other Jews, as per above. And they all
        loved Madoff….

        Thor

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 2:12 pm Redleg

        Madoff scammed other Jews. Jewish groups, most of them charities, lost a fortune to his ponzi scheme. That is a breach of trust, and unforgivable.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 3:49 pm Thor

        Yes of course. And in my view, the gravity of the crime is
        independent of the ethnicity of the perp – and the victims.

        But my point is, scams are often easier to pull off if you
        can find – or create – some commonality between you
        and the sucker(s).

        I know a woman who rented out a house to a fellow
        dogbreeder – to be implicitly trusted. The contract
        specified up to three dogs. The tenant brought
        in 24, and between the tenant and the dogs they
        utterly trashed the house.

        So the moral is DO NOT trust somebody just
        because he is such a nice fellow and a fellow
        xxxxxx-er. (insert ethnicity, faith, political viewpoint,
        profession or even hobby – as above ) here,

        Thor

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 2:25 pm John Norman Howard

        Which is why we actually heard about Madoff… and why he went to jail… when so many others of his ilk remain nameless, faceless… and free.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 4:40 pm Redleg

        Thor, the elaboration and clarification are appreciated. You are preaching to the choir.

        Herr Howard. Swindlers and crooks created/added to a cultural reputation which has proven extremely dangerous. I would see people of that ilk, regardless of ethnic/religious background, caged and castrated.

        Curbstompers don’t help your case, and Madoff doesn’t help mine. You know?

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 11:56 pm Thor

        For another great scam, although the money involved was only 1%
        of that in the Madoff, case, a piddling 500 million, this perp hired a
        helper who had all the right connections, giving them both a ticket
        to Martha’s Vinyard and Nantucket etc. Here the affinity was
        “us white überclass people”. That worked too. For details,
        google for “new era philanthropy”.

        Thor

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 12:37 am chris

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment

      Leftism=Ressentiment

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 12:47 pm uh

      You know the “star of David” isn’t a star, but a shield.

      Now I see why. 😉

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  24. on February 10, 2012 at 6:17 pm PA

    The answer to this question determines how civilization fares long-term:

    Is our governing ideology of anti-racism a blip that appeared several decades ago and disappears at some point in the relatively near future like a bizarre historic anomaly, or is it here to stay?

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 1:00 pm uh

      Or, more worrisome still, is it anti-racism not merely a tool of Jewish virulence in neutering white societies — but the end result of low ethnic consanguinity among white populations?

      If so, even hanging the buggers wouldn’t change a thing. Unlike most people I don’t subscribe to a “cyclical” view of history; time-keeping, out-breeding, memetic stratification, and technological development all establish history (itself the reflex of time-keeping) as linear, despite similarities or repetitions. Thus what we are experiencing is more like a critical mass than “another” imperial decay that will reset human affairs to some history book norm. That isn’t how ecology goes, and it isn’t how ecology in the age of globalism will go.

      We are at this point because of mating patterns.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 7:10 pm Ben

        U NO I HERD DAT EVERy can of PEPSI sold, 1 cent goes to Israel and dah filfy zionists.

        Now do the maff. 1000milliosns of peps sold x 1 = lotsa cash for dose greedy fucking jews.

        (Dis guy is soooooooooo smarrt. Lucky da Arabs have so few Jews in der cuntry to and derr economies rely on nothing but resources.)

        Listen to dis though: The Jews right, they are not white men like us, no no, dey have a secret club for demselves. You no when dey go to church (the call it a SINagouge. SINNA GOG!!! You SEE???!?!?!?!) they plot to take over the white man? YOU NO THAT>?!?!?!?!?!??! WOWOWOWOWOWOOWOW

        QED !!! OBVIOUSYLY !!!

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 2:03 am Deepcov3r

        Yez. I agree UH here used duh big wirds and he dun got tit figgered. iF we jiz murdur nigsnjooz. nigznjoos. So zimple even a librul canun derstand.

        Cud hang dem all it make kind of a mez but yooz can read how the overns worked. Reel what men kien solva enjineering poblem.

        nigzjooz izzn engineering problem.

        notta spirchal poblem. Jezza nigzinjooz. ]

        nigszjooz.

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  25. on February 10, 2012 at 6:21 pm Tyrone

    Switzerland has this problem and counters it by making everyone serve in the military or some form of national service. Everyone participates in running the state to at least this degree. Heinlein would be proud.

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  26. on February 10, 2012 at 6:26 pm n/a

    There is too little freedom, not too much. What one sees is fear, whether one is looking at the global warming cultist, or a pretend Christian like King A, one sees the same thing: panic in the face of a supposedly meaningless universe.

    The left struggles to impose its “green” vision, the right attempts to revive a dead God.

    It’s the same cowardice.

    The rhetoric of apocalypse is always the same: we are guilty; we have gone too far; we have exceeded our bounds and must be punished. It’s the heart of the religious idea.

    But man is God — and he created the myths of the great religions because he intuited and feared his own powers.

    As these powers are increasingly realized in a practical sense, and human beings take better control of their genetic code and their bodies, we will move on to the serious problems.

    The human virus wants to spread everywhere and there are practical challenges to this desire. The meaning of the world is the war between sentience and materials.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 5:11 am Anonymous

      Exactly. More laws have been made against heterosexual male behavior in the past 15 years than in the previous 4000 years before that.

      Anyone who can come here and think American alpha males are supposedly more hedonistic than their counterparts from previous generations, simply doesn’t understand what alpha males of past generations were getting away with and just how much heterosexual males have been restrained recently. There’s a lot of denial in this comment section.

      Can an American boss fuck his secretary now like he could have fucked all his middle to lower class female workers a century ago? Hell no. Hedonism is over for that now. Would it have mattered a century ago if the secretary was 17 or even 15? Hell no. Now the American business world is locked down tighter against “hedonism” than the business world of most societies in history.

      Do you think it’s really all that cool that Hugo Schwyzer is being taken down by the feminists because they just can’t accept that he fucked his adult students in the past despite his efforts at repenting? Think about that carefully when you suggest that the left is promoting hedonism. Quite the opposite.

      50 years ago a US president could have an open affair with a 19 year old intern and nobody would talk about it for half a century. That was your so-called hedonism, the norm since the beginning of time. But the new society that prudish feminists and white knighters gave birth to with Clintongate was one that clamped down hard against this birthright hedonism of all males with power since the beginning of time. Destroying the patriarchy = killing off hedonism.

      So please, let’s get a clue here. Despite all the racy Youtube videos and TV shows, on the ground with all the new laws of the past 15-30 years, the US is more prudish (behind the scenes where it counts) than most societies ever before in history. And that is because of feminism which doesn’t want men to have fun and enjoy any perks of power.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 1:03 pm uh

      “But man is God — and he created the myths of the great religions because he intuited and feared his own powers.”

      This is pure romanticism, you know.

      “The human virus wants to spread everywhere and there are practical challenges to this desire. The meaning of the world is the war between sentience and materials.”

      I don’t believe you and xsplat are entitled to belief in this eugenic age to come, but this is one of the most succinct statements of the ‘human condition’ I’ve ever seen, possibly the most. Well done.

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    • on February 14, 2012 at 12:17 pm King A

      n/a: Reheated sub-Nietzschean pseudocourage six-times removed from the philology that gave the great nihilist his force.

      To which uh concurred: “… one of the most succinct statements of the ‘human condition’ I’ve ever seen, possibly the most. Well done.”

      Conclusion: if you want to converse with the masters, you both need to learn the language. That is, read the thinkers who not only anticipated your fake rebellion by centuries but also had the decisive hand in your philosophical formation — if the mindless repetition of subconsciously acquired prejudice can indeed be called “philosophical formation.”

      You are both easily impressed. I’ll congratulate you for attaining the top level of respondents here on this site — at least when promulgating theory over experience — but that’s like being the thinnest women among the lard-herd of a Slut Walk.

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  27. on February 10, 2012 at 6:27 pm Bongstar420

    Institute a policy to give people a life time ticket on the government doll at above poverty line payouts in exchange for a visit to the sterilizing facility. Make everyone inherit $0 and give them equal access to advancement. The scum will choose the life of leisure since a government paycheck and a part time job is all that is necessary to fulfill their desires. If work was available that payed at successively better rates but demanded our desirable personality traits, than the lazy parasites/predators will sort out. We will be left with people who simply like to parasitize/predate for fun and rules will deal with that. Oh, wait. I don’t think people li ke government programs and equal access/opportunity.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 2:23 pm Thor

      I think you mean, you get welfare if you get sterile.

      OK. Add that you can’t vote once you sign up.

      Thor

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  28. on February 10, 2012 at 6:40 pm Anonymous

    Muslims resolved this by Sharia, treating women like property and successful, prominent men getting four wives (like Mohammed) while the others have to die jihad-ing to get the “72 virgins.”

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 8:31 am Theophilus

      Indeed. And that system is immensely attractive to women. Note how they unconsciously work toward having sharia law instated in Europe, displayed by their consistently voting for left-wing no-borders parties that let in muslim men by the million.

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  29. on February 10, 2012 at 6:49 pm Stuki

    There are many possible paths prosperity can lead to. The one most people in the West as chosen, does lead to ruin (for them). But that does not imply all possible prosperities do.

    The goal is to identify some that does not, and go out and populate the world with people capable of understanding that distinction. While, and this is important, at a minimum passively and possibly actively, work to exterminate those that don’t.

    After all, if subgroup A can create more prosperity than B, and more prosperity allows for both better weapons and more adult offspring, evolutionary bias is in favor of prosperity creators. Running around being a stupid thug only leads to superior mating prospects in a society where your betters don’t bother putting up a fight. As long as prosperity creators breed quickly enough to put resource pressure on competing groups, and have the sense to at the minimum defend themselves; and possibly actively press their weapons advantage for more Lebensraum, good luck destitute, weaponless and impoverished thuggo-soon-to-be-dogfood.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 11:21 am GeishaKate

      I’m hearing this as lead by example and an incentive to procreate. Hear that men? Find a worthy woman, take off your condoms, and reproduce. Reproduce for our lives!!!! 😉

      (oh, and would somebody scout a location for the commune?)

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 1:38 pm Stuki

        It’s also a recognition that sitting by idly and letting those who neither procreate nor produce, strip you of wealth you could otherwise invest in your offspring and those who form support around them, is a surefire road to ruin.

        A society rewarding and making excuses for leeching, grows leeches at a faster rate than both one who routes around them, and one who actively seeks to purge them. Judging by the multimillennial successes of religions espousing non aggression, my bet would be on the route around over the more aggressive variety.

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 2:25 pm Thor

        Before Social Security and other pension plans across the
        Western world, children (mostly) felt an obligation to
        care for their aging parents. And low nativity was not
        a problem, even when contraception was available,
        at least to the middle class.

        Thor

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  30. on February 10, 2012 at 6:58 pm passingby

    Masque of the Red Death, baby. We are still partying now. For now, I should say.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masque_of_the_red_death

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  31. on February 10, 2012 at 6:58 pm Otis

    ……”Libertarians: laissez faire means the cementing of intractable human hereditary differences into antagonistic classes and milieus. Conservatives: freedom and prosperity mean a slackening of external behavioral motivators and the erosion of commonality and shared values and the means with which to argue for them. Liberals: nonjudgmental individualism means a collapse of social capital and a surrender of any moral or aesthetic authority.”…..

    This is a good writing. Keep it up. Very insightful

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  32. on February 10, 2012 at 7:00 pm JCclimber

    Read the Old Testament. Rife with examples of Israel getting prosperous due to God’s protection and blessings, they get fat and lazy, turn to foreign gods, began living a (very) hedonistic lifestyle, and BAM, God has to let a foreign nation conquer them or harass them.

    When they’ve been brought down, then they can return to their roots and climb the road to prosperity again.

    History repeats. With. Every. Single. Empire.

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  33. on February 10, 2012 at 7:01 pm 357

    We’re already living in an intellectual dystopia. Freedom, liberty, equality, diversity: nouns deconstructed, nothing more than bromidic newspeak, their antonyms thoughtcrimes patrolled by Ingsocian demagogues.

    I can rationalize the mind-numbing insanity by a belief that this liberal trajectory is a civilizational hiccup, one that’s necessary for future generations to glean and move forward from positions of responsibility and confidence.

    On the other side the antipodes of progressive decay await. I see a homogeneous society, one based on hierarchy, and the reality of differences in human capital, one where the past glories of European Man are extolled, a culture that imbibes the evil of liberalism and the folly of its European descended practitioners, e.g., Ted Kennedy(curse his soul).

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 10:13 pm Tyrone

      Preach it brother! Well written.

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  34. on February 10, 2012 at 7:16 pm OGG

    It’s certainly hard to miss the connection between my own spoiled, lazy generation and the degredation of natural systems. American oppulance certainly bares a large part of the responsibility for “the decline”.

    BUT I think you’re looking at this in a pretty black/white either/or frame and discounting a basic law of natural systems: bio diversity.

    In any ecosystem, a healthy thriving diversity of life is much more stable and successful than a monoculture that seeks stability by making everything the same (aka virus).
    I’d say the “unraveling” that scares us as a “society” is just an explosion of human cultural (bio)diversity that will only destabilize the asphixiating monoculture but actualy help the various “individuals” in the mix to flourish.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 2:11 pm uh

      Oops. Someone’s rationalized the “diversity” lie.

      In any ecosystem, a healthy thriving diversity of life is much more stable and successful than a monoculture that seeks stability by making everything the same (aka virus).

      What if I told you that there exists a Caucasoid subrace whose evolutionary strategy is virulent behavior which expresses itself as a relentless crusade white ethnic identity and the lie that “we’re all the same”? how would you deny it?

      Your hamster is slipshod.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 2:12 pm uh

      *against white ethnic identity

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  35. on February 10, 2012 at 7:35 pm Just Some Canadian

    A link for you. A fashion company owner (I don’t follow this stuff) apparently committed a major gaff by telling the truth.

    http://www.salon.com/2012/02/10/adele_too_fat_for_fashion_designer/

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  36. on February 10, 2012 at 7:46 pm van Rooinek

    Religion begat prosperity, and the daughter devoured the mother — Cotton Mather, 1702

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  37. on February 10, 2012 at 8:01 pm Grit

    The conservative survivalist wet dream is that it suddenly all comes crashing down and the curtains are pulled back, placing everyone at the whims of their immediate environment and cutting off the cognitive depedence on things like internet and intellectual escape. As if their investment in thinking could help them bypass the ugly truth: the thug doer will survive.

    As a person who lived in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, natural disaster brings out a kind of this awakening. Its both ugly (looting) and beautiful- society literally lost everything from electricity on up. You spend your time at the mercy of the environment: you have to go outside to stay cool, talk to everyone to stay informed, pitch in and clean up, etc. But people cannot aspire to that. As a race of homosapiens we have to always aspire forward, as pretty much every society does. Bigger, stronger, smarter, wiser, whatever. The irony is that no matter the aspiration, we still die.

    Let me reiterate the core of natural selection: the survival of the fittest does not mean the strongest or the smartest, rather the most adaptable to change. That is a truly scary thougt, and you need to closely look and align yourself with these kinds of people.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 10:17 pm Tyrone

      Those hurricanes seem to bring out the best and worst in people. We have the castle doctrine in my state and the police give permission to shoot to kill to defend your family or property when something like that happens.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 2:18 pm uh

      “Let me reiterate the core of natural selection: the survival of the fittest does not mean the strongest or the smartest, rather the most adaptable to change.”

      Not a bunch of hydrophobic kaffirs too busy smoking menthol cigarettes and looting shops to blow up life-rafts, then.

      Your idealized “thug doer”, I fear, succumbs all too quickly to the collapse of a civilization he neither begat nor is able to maintain. Despite long residence, he is still a guest and a dependent upon the real “doers”.

      Ironically, it’s the hated “old white males” out on Algiers, with their preserved food and pistols, who best weather these disasters.

      You need to sort out your priorities, mate. There is no “race of homo sapiens”. That is species, and the house stands divided into races (subspecies).

      But we both know where you were amid the auto-segregated hordes in your local disaster.

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  38. on February 10, 2012 at 8:13 pm Dark Triumvir

    Precocious insight with masterclass prose. I can do naught but add my vote of confidence to your prognosis of western decline. Human nature is a beast that cannot be caged without consequence; yet, if left unshackled will result in war, famine, pestilence and death.

    To the young reader who believes these are just ramblings of “the old generation”…I weep at your naivete. Civilization’s most vital purpose is the suppression of the dark triad traits within males. We are all descendants of vile men, who lived only to rape, murder and pillage until their untimely deaths. Take away the strict suppression mechanism of civilization, and you are left with a world that makes nightmares a pleasant escape from reality.

    Why do you think members of the western elite are so shocked when they visit the least developed countries in Sub-Saharan Africa or South America? Their fragile, domesticated souls feel the deepest of fears: that of a world in which they are naught but lambs to the slaughter for the dark triad cadre.

    Civilization softens men into boys, and boys into young girls. The world outside of the walled garden of the west is one that few can fathom, and fewer still can survive. Be mindful of your wishes young one…

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 1:15 pm Student

      “Precocious insight with masterclass prose.”

      precocious does not mean what you think it means. and masterclass is a noun w a very specific meaning. your posts are a very effective rebuttal of CHs recent “Overconfidence” article.

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 3:51 pm Anonymous

        Ignore this loser, DT, and please carry on.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 2:35 pm Thor

      So the task becomes, given that a crash will come, to invent
      a Hari Sheldonite rapid transition from chaos to a new order.

      Starship Trooper style? No representation without taxation-style?
      Maoist revolution-style (including the murder around 10-29%
      percent of the population)? Other, specify. And most
      importantly, sketch out a way from here through chaos to there.

      Thor

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 2:23 pm uh

      Why do you think members of the western elite are so shocked when they visit the least developed countries in Sub-Saharan Africa or South America? Their fragile, domesticated souls feel the deepest of fears: that of a world in which they are naught but lambs to the slaughter for the dark triad cadre.

      You mean darkies.

      By the way, Europeans and Sub-Saharans are self-contained tangents of Homo sap evolution, not points arranged on the same line of development.

      The Bushmen don’t fry their enemies’ ears for a snack nor rape infants to counteract “AIDS”. Nor the Hamites. Nor the Arabs.

      Time to hit the books again.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 8:53 pm Dark Triumvir

        Your confidence in your racial superiority is misplaced. The greatest scientific and technological breakthroughs of the industrial world were made by the Ashkenazim (http://amzn.com/0465002218). This talent war is well documented (von Braun, etc). To this day, high science and mathematics is dominated by these prodigal men.

        It is ironic that proponents of racial superiority still cling to the very policies which destroyed the Third Reich. Hitler’s loss was a direct result of his persecution of the most talented scientists and engineers. The second world war was won not by troops or ideals, but science.

        Lament this loss my friend, and learn from it.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 12:13 pm uh

        Here we go. Another blogging elitist. A scientific King A! Onward.

        “Your confidence in your racial superiority is misplaced.”

        So … I make a point about African populations and your shallow understanding of evolutionary biology (we’re all descended from cannibals and rapists!! no one else could have survived!! ignore those Gelada monkeys in Ethiopia who sit around all day picking grass and “talking” to each other!!) — I make this point, and you take the opportunity to fall on your knees before some Jewish eggheads? were you just from a viewing of Inglorious Basterds or something?

        But, ob cose, you failed to address the substance of my point: that Sub-Saharan savagery is not typical of the species. You drew a facile little word-picture of what armed kaffirs in the jungle are up to as the old “heart of darkness” ~*within us aaaaalll*~. But we don’t find the Xhosa, Wodabe, Berbers, Ethiopians, Tuaregs or Cameroonians (the latter having substantial R1b i.e. West European genetic marker) engaged in the black mischief typical of the rest of Africa, especially Liberia, the Congos, Zimbabwe, Kenya, and of course South Africa.

        Again: the behavior and genetic makeup of African populations at the margins is unlike the behavior and genetics of African populations at the core, i.e. Sub-Saharans, Bantus, etc. In other words they are not an evolutionary throwback to a time when WE WERE ALL LIKE THEM, otherwise we would not have advanced at all, and indeed we would find the Bushmen (Xhosa) doing the same things, but that Sub-Saharans i.e. niggers, are devolutionary.

        “To this day, high science and mathematics is dominated by these prodigal men.”

        Selection bias.

        “It is ironic that proponents of racial superiority still cling to the very policies which destroyed the Third Reich. ”

        You have reframed what I said above as concern with “racial superiority”. This has slightly more finesse than the MSM’s obsession with “white supremacists”. In other words you engage in dirty semantics. In the words of another commenter: Pre-programmed bullshit. Will not respond.

        “Hitler’s loss was a direct result of his persecution of the most talented scientists and engineers.”

        Ah, yes. It had nothing to do with attacking Russia in Winter and declaring war on America! He provoked all those beta Jewish scientists. That did it. Have you run this by Cochran & Harpending? I wonder what they would think.

        “The second world war was won not by troops or ideals, but science.”

        This is a how a nerd understands something.

        “Lament this loss my friend, and learn from it.”

        Suck my goy salami, Jew-lover.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 6:35 pm attractionreaction

        @uh

        gotta disagree a little. maybe they devolved, maybe not. The temperate zone, w/ it’s deadly winter, selects for qualities – intelligence, self-discipline, long-term planning – that the tropical zone doesn’t. I do think the Asians evolved in the temperate zone, and then some spread south into the tropics, who then “devolved” from the north Asians.

        Also remember the races evolved during a period of glaciation; the planet was different then.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 12:16 pm Anon

        I kinda like you, you know.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 5:32 pm Thor

        The Ashkenazim have a strong advantage compared to
        Christians. During roughly 1000-1850 in Catholic countries
        and 1000-1520 in Protestant countries, two stark facts of life:

        1) The main path to upward mobility if you were born smart
        but poor (the latter the overwhelming majority) was to
        become a priest.

        2) Priest could not marry.

        Whereas the Rabbi was well taken care of by his congregation,
        and had at least five kids.

        Over some centuries, you get the idea…

        And Christians have only themselves (or, actually,
        their own ancestors) to blame.

        Thor

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 11:50 am Tyrone

        WWII was lost by brute force and little else. The Germans had by far the best R&D and came up with weapons we use still today. They invented the assault rifle, the jet airplane, the throat microphone, the forerunner to the modern RPG-7/9, the single wing aircraft, the V-2 rocket, etc. etc. von Braun was not a Jew, he was a card carrying Nazi party member.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 12:24 pm Thor

        True only if you have a somewhat different definition of “brute force”. It certainly was not muscular strength. However, it was “brute force” in the sense that the US outproduced its enemies, simply pumping out more planes, ships, bombs etc. than anyone else. And, by the way, that required lots of solid engineering. And, almost ironically the iconic “Rosie the Riveter” should get a lot of credit, the women that manned(!) the munitions factories while the men were out at war.

        Thor

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 4:44 pm Tyrone

        It also involved huge amounts of manpower and sending over more Soviet soldiers than there were bullets available to stop them. That is what I meant indeed. ITs also the title of a book that describes the industrial war effort. BTW, we must also thank legions of midgets or dwarves, as I’m told they prefer to be called. They were indispensible to making B-17 bombers. Technology took a huge leap in that short WWII period. Aircraft development especially made huge leaps. Where the Nazis truly failed was their racial policies regarding the Slavs. The military saw the value in treating the locals well, Nazi administrators and official policy simply made the locals impassioned enemies when the Nazis could have been preceived by these same people are liberators. This is where Germans have a tragic national character flaw- they think they are right about something and take that sense of righteousness to its logical extreme and piss everybody off over it.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 12:25 pm uh

        “Where the Nazis truly failed was their racial policies regarding the Slavs.”

        Absolutely. If one didn’t know anything about German psychology, and read the history of Nazi policy toward eastern peoples, one would think they set out to do everything precisely to sideline Alfred Rosenberg and crudely alienate the Belorussian and Ukrainian partisans.

        Bigotry & paranoia make it to the top by political stratagem, but don’t make for good military strategy.

        But you know what they say — Hitler didn’t start the war!!! It was the Poles, the English, the Jews!!!

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  39. on February 10, 2012 at 8:18 pm asdf

    I doubt civilization will collapse, it just won’t be all that enobeling for most people. We already have a guide for this: Brave New World. People engage in hedonism for hedonisms sake. There is nothing else to life. The genetically gifted get the best of it with gradually lowering levels of priviledge down the ladder. Industrialization is a game changer, it means you can provide desired material goods without too much virtue.

    When I was young, I stuggled with the idea of whether Brave New World was a dystopia. After all, people got exactely what they wanted. Nobody goes without what they need. It was a very appealing world to one that grew up with unfulfilled basic wants.

    When you meet Mustapha Mond at the end, he explains in a clear logical manner why the world is as it is, and how he feels its the best possible world they can come up with. Its flaws are either logistically intractible (societies must have stratification to have order, so people can’t all be alphas) or isolated (a few diamonds in the rough want to self actualize). And for the isolated misfits they have an option of going to isolated islands where they can do the things they want to do without interferance.

    The scariest thing about our situation now is there is no world controller. There is nobody in charge that knows what they are doing and has a logical plan. And there are no norms to guide people (in the Brave New World, at least everyone knows what the norms are, how they are supposed to act, and where their place in life is). In a way, Brave New World was the ultimate act of noblesse oblige. The very top alphas sacrificed self actualization in exchange for providing the lower classes with an ordered society. As Mustapha Mond put it, “working for other people’s happiness is exhausting”.

    ——-

    Community, Identity, Stability

    And that … is the secret of happiness and virtue—liking what you’ve got to do. All conditioning aims at that: making people like their inescapable social destiny. — Director of Hatcheries

    The greater a man’s talents, the greater his power to lead astray. It is better that one should suffer than that many should be corrupted. Consider the matter dispassionately, Mr. Foster, and you will see that no offence is so heinous as unorthodoxy of behavior. Murder kills only the individual-and, after all, what is an individual? — Director of Hatcheries

    The world’s stable now. People are happy; they get what they want, and they never want what they can’t get… And if anything should go wrong, there’s soma. — Mustapha Mond

    You’ve got to choose between happiness and what people used to call high art. — Mustapha Mond

    Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the over-compensations for misery. And, of course, stability isn’t nearly so spectacular as instability. And being contented has none of the glamour of a good fight against misfortune, none of the picturesqueness of a struggle with temptation, or a fatal overthrow by passion or doubt. Happiness is never grand.
    — Mustapha Mond

    ..civilization has absolutely no need of nobility or heroism. These things are symptoms of political inefficiency. In a properly organized society like ours, nobody has any opportunities for being noble or heroic. Conditions have got to be thoroughly unstable before the occasion can arise. Where there are wars, where there are divided allegiances, where there are temptations to be resisted, objects of love to be fought for or defended—there, obviously, nobility and heroism have some sense. But there aren’t any wars nowadays. The greatest care is taken to prevent you from loving any one too much. There’s no such thing as a divided allegiance; you’re so conditioned that you can’t help doing what you ought to do. And what you ought to do is on the whole so pleasant, so many of the natural impulses are allowed free play, that there really aren’t any temptations to resist.”
    ― Aldous Huxley, Brave New World

    “It was a masterly piece of work. But once you began admitting explanations in terms of purpose— well, you didn’t know what the result might be. It was the sort of idea that might easily decondition the more unsettled minds among the higher castes—make them lose their faith in happiness as the Sovereign Good and take to believing, instead, that the goal was somewhere beyond, somewhere outside the present human sphere; that the purpose of life was not the maintenance of well-being, but some intensification and refining of consciousness, some enlargement of knowledge. Which was, the Controller reflected, quite possibly true. But not, in the present circumstance, admissible.”
    ― Aldous Huxley, Brave New World

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 2:41 pm Thor

      Oh, my.

      “Industrialization is a game changer, it means you can provide desired material goods without too much virtue.”

      Au contraire. It requires much virtue to conceive, build and maintain
      a factory, let alone a whole civilization.

      “The scariest thing about our situation now is there is no world controller.”

      Maybe. But the presence of one would be lots scarier. Imagine some
      Mao-clone having the ruthlessness to get there.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 2:27 pm uh

        Because no one has cunning like that.

        (Maostein?)

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  40. on February 10, 2012 at 8:22 pm feral1404

    Ultimately whether it was Tytler or Prentis who said it doesn’t matter; the essence of the commentary rings true:

    “The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

    From bondage to spiritual faith;
    From spiritual faith to great courage;
    From courage to liberty;
    From liberty to abundance;
    From abundance to complacency;
    From complacency to apathy;
    From apathy to dependence;
    From dependence back into bondage.”

    Enjoy every day as though it were your last, for one day it will be.

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  41. on February 10, 2012 at 8:59 pm Mole

    Dear sirs, I have, through my business a large number of the Australian dole payment forms from a large number of people.

    I can point out a handful of WTF social disasters from my clients.

    Heres a couple.
    Single mum 5 kids, $1,700 a fortnight in payments.
    Single bloke no kids $450 (if hes lucky) a fortnight in payments.
    Disability pensions to 18 year olds (who are in good shape I might add) of around $650 a fortnight.

    A new trend is to split the kids, claim you have one of the kids each, then you both get the single parents pension, thats worth about $400 more than one person having both kids. (Youngest bloke i have doing that, 17)

    Warrens of houses where there is a family in each room, not because they cant afford one of their own, or one less crowded, but because it maximises the spending money they have.

    Im seeing all the downsides you chaps talk about writ large in the Australian underclass. We are fools. Future generations (Chinese?) will look back on us and conclude it was some strange form of mass suicide.

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  42. on February 10, 2012 at 9:08 pm Southern Man

    Go outside. Look around. Everything you see was built by men. And we built a good deal of it for the benefit of women. Now we have a world in which all that women need or want that used to come from their men is provided for them by society or the State. Result: women don’t need us any more.

    Oops.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 10:30 am Tyrone

      They need us. Their whole social structure is based on the labor of men silently forgotten about. They live off of the sweat of working class men. If those same men went on strike, who would deliver their lattes and eye liner to Macy’s? Who would fix their cars when its makes a funny noise, etc. Men need to realize they still have the true advantage and squeeze the elites accordingly.

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 11:29 am GeishaKate

        We do need you! We are spiritually incomplete without you! (its just that most women aren’t permitted by other women to say this anymore 😦 )

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 2:31 pm uh

        You have no spirit.

        You are materially lost without men.

        Just like every “empowered” dependent caste. Bunch of good-for-nothing wog eaters.

        Lattes and eyeliner.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 6:39 pm GeishaKate

        No, I’m not. Materially, I have all I need. Yet, I am incomplete. I am not a Material Girl. I’d go so far as to say material is immaterial 😉

        If you mean who made the material, yes, generally speaking, men made the material. That is perfectly clear. But why did they make it? Again, generally speaking, for women. If we weren’t here to inspire you to greatness, admire your achievements, support you in your difficulties, you would not be as great as you can be. Let’s give women a little credit, eh?

        My point is we are halves of the same whole and without each other we are not complete.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 12:47 pm uh

        “My point is we are halves of the same whole and without each other we are not complete.”

        We are not equivalent halves. We are opposed halves. That’s what you need to understand about sexual reproduction. It is not complementary, but antagonistic.

        “If you mean who made the material, yes, generally speaking, men made the material.”

        Not generally: absolutely. Despite what you may have heard, women and kaffirs have had exactly 0% to do with this affair called civilization. You’re just a bunch of mercurial hangers-on my people use to keep going, and you’re more and more of a dead weight upon us.

        “But why did they make it?”

        Actually not to put you vaginal retards in awe. I know it’s a current meme in pop evo-psych, “Men do everything they do to secure mates!!”, but “it” sadly does not reduce to that, because “it” is not a simple process. Civilization is a result of organized agriculture. Agriculture was the result of humans learning to think forwardly to avoid starvation in times when food was scarce. Planting onion bulbs along the Nile was not done to impress females, but to ensure survival for all.

        CULTURE results from the surplus labor of the male, yes, but this, again, is not to be understood TELEOLOGICALLY as having the “purpose” of impressing females, or stemming FROM interaction with females. SOME may be understood that way, and most of that dates from the Age of Chivalry and its resurgence in Romanticism.

        “you would not be as great as you can be.”

        In other words, women make men great. Your hamster must be tired. I know mine is.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 7:21 pm GeishaKate

        Here’s a beer for your hamster 🙂

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 11:52 am Maya

        calm down. women work much more than men do.

        [heartiste: unbiased cite?]

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 12:17 pm Maya

        lol. i don’t have it.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 12:41 am Heywood Jablome

        “It” being a clue.

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 12:28 pm Maya

        but it’s been my observation in my family, school, at work. idk, maybe there are many lazy man around me but i believe it can be the other way around too. here where i live women generally have quite demanding careers and they also do the housework and take care for the children. which is very unfair.

        i just commented on tyrone’s post because he seems to think that men work more than women, which is not true in most cases. (but maybe he’s surrounded by lazy women who just watch themselves in the mirror all day?)

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm John Norman Howard

        What you miss is that “women work more” = “spend more time at menial and/or meaningless tasks”… and your ilk doesn’t want to admit that the woman’s work is not of equal value to the man’s… quick example, a woman may clean the house for three hours… but it’s work that pretty much anyone can do, for minimum wage. A man will change the oil in a car and take about twenty minutes… but he’s actually “done more” than the woman who worked for three hours, because it’s more specialized work, requires tools, know-how, willingness to get dirty under less-than-homelike conditions, etc., etc.

        Also, of the house isn’t spit-spot clean, nobody dies or a piece of machinery worth $20K doesn’t get ruined… but if a guy screws up with too little oil, the wrong filter, or forgets to tighten the bolt plug, well…

        Just a small example of the difference between the work men and women do… and yes, I’m sure women can change the oil in their cars, and there are some house husbands out there. :roll eyes:

        Anyway, if you want to claim that women actually “work much more than men”, consider the type of work, and what that work is truly worth in our system of things.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 11:08 am passingby

        Yup. Women think pushing a rag over clean furniture in an OCD ritual of “cleaning” a largely sanitized home is the same as a man spending the same time refurbishing the basement. A guy prioritizes important items, focuses on them, and tends to ignore what doesn’t matter. Women prioritize mundane, relatively easy tasks, thinking they are essential. Social interaction and such becomes key to the “work”, whereas for men such frivolities impede productivity. Hence drawing well water becomes a three hour job, 10 minutes of water-gathering, and 2 hours 50 minutes of gossip and fuss with other women at the well. By contrast, men will build a barn in a day, without use of modern tools, and still have time to have dinner with everyone in the evening. The amount of chit chat on such a job site is about nil, except for discussion of the next stage in the project.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 2:33 pm uh

        Being the true cause of the income gap, of course, and the rationale for the “patriarchy” myth.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 12:33 pm carolyn

        ‘Anyway, if you want to claim that women actually “work much more than men”, consider the type of work, and what that work is truly worth in our system of things’

        women are doomed to do the kind of work that’s deemed worthless…unless it doesn’t get done. only _then_ is it important. i’m the expert here, being a stay at home mom.

        so it shouldn’t surprise anyone why women go into the paid workforce and not only to supplement their husband’s pay.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 5:05 pm John Norman Howard

        Let me tell you a story, my dear…

        A little girl comes into the house and approaches her mother… (father is sitting at the table, going over some receipts)… hands her a recently-picked wildflower… says something along the lines of “Here Mommy… this is for you because you work so hard, and nobody ‘preciates it.”

        The mother, touched and taken slightly aback, looks sheepishly at her husband for a moment, and says to her daughter:

        “Well, Daddy works hard too, you know!”

        Little girl replies: “I know… but he never complains about it.”

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 9:26 pm carolyn

        cute

        =)

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 11:52 am King A

        John Norman Howard + passingby: those were two of the most insightful aphorisms ever published on this blog with regard to women in the workplace. They earned a place in my archive. Very well done. +1000

        This isn’t to denigrate domestic maintenance; it’s as necessary a task as anything, and quiet dignity can be achieved through it. Women are particularly suited for Home Comforts (the bible for the modern neo-traditional woman) because they are not glory-hunters like men. We only started crossing the wires when we perversely decided that women should seek glory with the same verve as men do, rather than support the wives’ XO-like sovereignty over the oikos. Now nobody keeps the household in order.

        On the one hand we have to revalorize housework for women just like we must revalorize the trades for men. But placing those functions on par with the creative dynamism of man, with the knowledge and invention that built and sustains civilization, scrambles our universe.

        Modern conservatives are as bad as feminists about this. In our backward-looking attempt to conserve the lost traditions, we lie to women about the relative worth of chores rather than straightforwardly asserting that their dabbling into men’s work has been an epic cultural disaster. “My better half,” “behind every great man is a great woman,” etc. Throwing women this bone destroys our credibility, making us lie to them so they feel better, a precious little pat on the head. Well, they started to believe in the equal dignity! Which is why they thought they could perform as men rather than focus on the necessary work for which they are physically and psychologically best suited.

        The problem derived from artificially ginned-up envy of the woman for the man, an envy they never related to until we force-fed it to them, an envy whose absurdity was shown definitively as far back as Aristophanes’s Lysistrata. But the ignoramuses we are, we prefer to repeat history than learn from it. Women aren’t naturally envious of men’s Towers of Babel to the sky or our minute compendiums of encyclopedic knowledge any more than we are envious of their ability to make life inside them. The unique capacities, and therefore glories, are restricted to each sex, and never the twain shall meet (except in Schwarzenegger’s Junior or Friedan’s “The Problem that Has No Name“). We have tried to call all apples oranges, which would be fine, if the sexes weren’t each exclusively allergic to the one or the other. Rather than attempt to hyper-dignify simple work, or worse, expect the sexes to perform in roles for which they are spectacularly ill-designed, we have to shout Vive La Différence! in all matters up and down the spectrum without exception.

        It’s one thing to intuit what “women’s work” truly means. I think most of us have the appropriate contempt for it in the context of manly achievement. But to articulate the precise distinguishing characteristic (as JNH and passingby both did) is vital to understanding the opposition — so that we might defeat it. It would be nice if a single mainstream publication spoke in a consistent voice of “cut the fucking bullshit.” (So far I’ve only found Taki’s Magazine to come close.)

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 12:13 pm GeishaKate

        I don’t see “women’s work” as being household chores exactly so much as creating a home atmosphere.

        I have no great ambitions to conquer the world- never have. I rarely care if I even get credit for my ideas. The important thing is that the idea comes to fruition. Knowing that I helped make that happen is enough for me.

        The happiest I have ever been is in creating, raising, and supporting people. To me, that is “woman’s work.” And it is integral.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 1:42 pm carolyn

        ‘…what “women’s work” truly means. I think most of us have the appropriate contempt for it in the context of manly achievement’

        ‘contempt’–perfect. true as well. the only womanly chores that are vital and truly of value are those related to bringing up children, and far down the line, cooking. housekeeping beyond the bare minimum to avoid squalor is a waste of time. just thankless drudge work with no inherent dignity; i will not kid myself. neither have many women with jobs–at least being paid gives them a metric for what their labor is worth.

        not that i’m complaining. i would have hated to come home from a job only to face a sinkful of dirty dishes and the complaints of 5 needy kids clamoring for dinner.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 3:51 pm John Norman Howard

        Well said, King.

        The real ballbreaking issue today is that even the rare stay-at-home moms themselves don’t really create a true ‘home atmosphere’ from a man’s standpoint… they focus on the children (as if child worship is the highest morality)… and the husband gets whatever emotional crumbs are left to fall from the table.

        Worse yet, all-too-many wives merely have the Roseanna Barr Syndrome, namely: “Hey, as long as the kids are still alive when he gets home, I’ve done my job!”

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 9:47 pm carolyn

        ‘they focus on the children (as if child worship is the highest morality)… and the husband gets whatever emotional crumbs are left to fall from the table’

        goddamn right. raising children isn’t easy on either partner. each must sacrifice, and this work is so consuming, so like a black hole-you can’t ever do enough- that emotional ‘neglect’ of both parents is a likely side effect.

        but that bit of deft indirection, that passive aggressive criticism of yours, did not go unnoticed. trust me, my kids’ early years were overwhelming, even with my mil’s help. for years, i felt i was underwater. only now that they’re pretty much grown that i can afford to indulge in a more stringent standard of housework, however much of a time-waster it is. fortunately for the nation, it is no longer a threat to the public health!

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 1:58 pm John Norman Howard

        but that bit of deft indirection, that passive aggressive criticism of yours

        Ah, carolyn, my carolyn… sigh.

        My observations were not directed specifically at you… I keep forgetting that women are unable to view things objectively and immediately go egocentric when reading general criticisms of their sex.

        As you have seen from many of my posts, I do not shy from direct confrontation with individuals when warranted.

        And for the record, everyone knows full-well that taking care of children is more important that “mere” housecleaning… my complaint is that, with only a modicum of time management and efficiency, the two are not mutually exclusive… our great-grandmothers and grandmothers seemed to be able to pull it off.

        More importantly, taking care of the kids and using that as an excuse to have “nothing left at the end of the day” for the husband is more of a reflection of today’s misdirected women rather than the vicissitudes of child-rearing. Hence, no surprise at the divorce rates and amount of dissatisfaction of both sexes now… in these times of unheralded plenty and leisure.;

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 4:50 pm GeishaKate

        What I have noted in regards to “husband neglect” is that some women will use their husbands as a scapegoat for all their anger/frustration with their child. Because they are so afraid to yell at/discipline/even spank their child, all of their unloaded hostility goes to the husband. I’m sure its clear I’m not suggesting abuse of children, but its a shame to see misdirected anger. The husband becomes the enemy and gets all the negative while the child is viewed as an angel and gets only the positive. Neither of those relationships are healthy or balanced.

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 12:40 pm PA

        Men without women become vicious, cowardly hyenas. Women without men become vulgar, fat sows.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 11:45 am GeishaKate

        Rent this movie: Without Men, starring Eva Longoria. Quite funny little fluff 🙂

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 4:59 pm Ruffslitch

      Civilization was built upon appetites-for good food and good poontang. Why ELSE would early explorers have left the comfort of home to find SPICES, of all things, and exotic furs and textiles? So they could clothe and feed their ladies, wow their friends, and gloat over their enemies. It is an excuse to go adventuring. Today’s school systems drug active little boys with ants in their pants into submission so they will be more tractable.

      I homeschool and teach my son to piss off the back porch.

      There is hope for us.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 5:37 pm Thor

        Drug active, yes. Get your kid on Ritalin because he supposedly
        has ADD or ADHD or whatever, and you can collect a federal
        subsidy for caring for a disabled child. Such is life in the US.

        Thor

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 4:52 pm Tyrone

        Being a rich and adventurous man opens up the opportunity to have a harem of women. That’s the true motivator.

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  43. on February 10, 2012 at 9:18 pm Stark

    It’s actually not the hindbrain, but mainly the Hipthalamus (which is in the forebrain) and the PAG, which is a part of the midbrain.

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  44. on February 10, 2012 at 9:34 pm carolyn

    well, ch, there was a time in this country when we were all in this together, but our betters have decided it just won’t do. oh yeah, the underlying genetic differences explain all now. the fact that union wages have been undermined explain nothing; that the dignity of the working class has been crushed isn’t a factor. it’s all their fault; it’s a moral crisis.

    i’ve no patience with the current murray-style moral piling on. there are vast differences in the status quo now than what was taken for granted not that long ago. i remember when this was a decent country.

    as far as what’ll get us first: peak oil; global warming; or moral collapse, my bet is not on the latter. the young’uns are the corrective. the kids are alright. not so our bankster overlords.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 10:34 am Tyrone

      Carolyn, it may come as a surprise, but Charles Murray agrees with you. He laments it in his own sterile way as much as you do, if not more. He is defining the problem accurately so that it can be addressed and solved, not made worse by a wrong headed politically devised solution.

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 2:48 pm carolyn

        he laments it, true, but doesn’t prescribe any eal solutions. oh wait, a ‘second great awakening’. i’ve only read reviews of this book but judging from his other books that i have read, his MO is to blame the victim.

        i refer you to david frum’s 5 part scathing review:

        http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/06/charles-murray-book-review.html

        read the whole thing. frum’s a terrific writer.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 12:46 am Heywood Jablome

        frum’s a terrific writer.

        And a pathetic thinker.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 3:16 pm uh

        Jews criticizing Jews, endlessly.

        http://age-of-treason.blogspot.com/2012/02/white-guide-to-jewish-narrative.html#8226392915485270449

        The solution is removing Jews, re-caging blacks, driving back the brown hordes, and putting women under the yoke.

        The rest is natter.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 11:22 am carolyn

        actually, murray’s a midwestern gentile farmboy. unfortunately, he sees his role to be carrying water for the 1%, deflecting blame from them for the mess they made.

        who’re you gonna believe: murray or your lyin’ eyes?

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 12:48 pm uh

        Ugh, now I can’t ignore him. Thanks a fuckin’ lot.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 11:51 pm james

        calling someone a jew is not an argument.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 1:19 pm Redleg

        Welcome to Chateau Heartiste. Uh will be with you shortly.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 6:58 pm Ben

        Yes, that cretin can’t differentiate between Jews because it’s ignorant. Intellectual capital is strength. Strength for everyone wherever it is (just ask the Japanese–especially right after the 6th of august 1945).

        Empty cans will rattle the loudest though.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 7:58 pm Lara

        Redleg,
        That was funny.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 2:54 pm Redleg

        Lara,

        I know.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 2:53 pm Thor

      The union wages have dropped – some. But more to the point,
      outside of government employment, there are just a lot fewer
      of those high paying union jobs, mainly for the reason that
      companies can no longer afford them. The people
      as tax payers have much less say then the same people
      as voluntary buyers of goods. In fact often no say, unless
      they emigrate, and sometimes not even then.

      Without inserting any preference, it is fairly obvious that
      the USD 70/h (including benefits) for unskilled labor in
      places such as GM was a historical anomaly. That they
      are disappearing should surprise nobody.

      “taken for granted not that long ago”.
      Precisely. But this is phenomenon of the post WWI and
      especially post WWII world. You have great flexibility
      in establishing what’s “normal” if you get to select
      the baseline point in time. LIberals like 1960.
      Substitute 1900 as “normal” and recalculate.
      Or some other time, you pick!

      Thor

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 7:25 pm carolyn

        ‘it is fairly obvious that
        the USD 70/h (including benefits) for unskilled labor in
        places such as GM was a historical anomaly. That they
        are disappearing should surprise nobody.’

        why? it didn’t have to be that way. protectionist tweakings; a trade policy that benefited the relatively weak than one where most benefits accrued to those who needed them least? that was a possible scenario. no, but we needed cheap sneakers and ipods to stay cheap rather than pay a bit more to stave off the ongoing immiseration of a class of our fellow citizens, who are reduced to being only good enough to serve as cannon fodder in our next imperial misadventure. it was _not_ inevitable; the political will to prevent it was missing.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 5:41 pm Thor

        Yup. We could have gone isolationist. This would
        mainly have benefited a small ruling class, with
        some scraps to union labor in this case. See
        my notes on China, search for China on this
        blog. But I don’t like a culture that is frozen in
        amber.

        Thor

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 9:47 pm Doug1

      Peak oil is a myth for at least 100 years from now, but which time we’ll have either safe fission nuclear, safe fusion, or something else.

      What is true is that over time oil is likely to get more and more expensive, at least during the next 20 years of fast Chinese and to a lesser extent Indian growth. More expensive oil opens up vast new sources of it.

      Enormous reserves of oil from shale oil rock made accessible by fracking and very long horizontal drilling, which are fairly expensive but still very profitable at today’s prices, had opened up in the US, in North Dakota, Texas, and Pennsylvania. Ohio and Indiana look promising as well. So does western NY, though not politically so far.

      By some accounts including as reported by the WSJ, the US was a net exporter of petroleum products this year for the first time since 1950. We still import oil esp. in the NE, but we also export it and natural gas, and refined gasoline and diesel.

      Brazil has had some huge deep water drilling finds over the last several years.

      Iraqi production is ramping up.

      Natural gas which is also recovered from fracking and horizontal drilling into shale formations has reached a price low for many decades. Instead of going electric we should be moving to natural gas powered autos. They also emit the least amount of Co2 per unit energy of any hydrocarbon, for those that believe that catastrophic global warming is a real issue. I don’t.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 11:14 am xsplat

        I believe in man made global warming, however I never bring it up, as I have good reason to believe that we’ve already crossed a tipping point and it’s pointless to bother with reducing CO2 now. The melting methane is way worse than the increasing CO2.

        So go ahead and burn burn burn – won’t make a difference now.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 2:26 pm Doug1

        I believe that AGW is going on, just that it won’t be catastrophic or even very alarming. What there’s a scientific consensus about, and what I believe, is that doubling the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere from 2000 levels will cause global average temperatures to go up by about 1 deg C, absent positive or negative feedback effects, when that occurs, which is expected on current trends to be by about 2100.

        This is also absent any cooling or warming for non APW reasons, which we’ve had for both millenia and for millions of years. Solar cycles, and other stuff not so well understood. For all we know a natural cooling cycle may have begun 11 years ago that will cancel out or more than cancel out any APW

        The catastrophic predictions DO NOT have a widespread consensus in the climitelogical scientific community. They’re based on the assumption with little scientific proof that there will be LARGE positive feedback effects from increases in water vapor in the atmosphere. This is baked into computer models the alarmists twiddle with to get the results they want basically, but which they claim have been back verrified. There also may be negative feedback effects which would more than offset the positive ones, such as increased cloud cover.

        Further the last 11 years the temperature has held steady or actually even declined a little bit which is NOT what the alarmists models in E. Anglia England predicted. In the lastest versions of climate gate scientists there and in the US have said to each other that this is a “big problem” that they don’t know what to do about and that they don’t want that to get out to the media and “mislead” them.

        Beyond all this, China has surpassed the US as the world’s biggest CO2 emitter and looks to emit way more than the US soon, and they’re not going to do squat all about it. So any steps we take at enormous expense to our economic growth in Europe and the US will simply be swamped by China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, and so on.

        Don’t something about AGW is dead and done.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 2:30 pm Doug1

        Last sentence was meant to be:

        Doing something about AGW is dead and done.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 11:17 am carolyn

        i hope you’re right.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 5:45 pm Thor

        Right. Except using the propane fraction (or synthesizing it from
        other natural gas) makes it liquifiable at room temperature,
        which means the fuel tank contains much more fuel and
        is under far less pressure. Compressed natural gas is
        a frigging bomb.

        Thor

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 12:09 pm askjoe

      There’s no such thing as global warming, so worry about the other two. In this lifetime, I’d worry more about getting my throat cut by moral collapse than whatever’s going to happen with peak oil (and nuclear power can probably keep trains running, which is all that would matter anyway).

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  45. on February 10, 2012 at 9:46 pm uh

    “The Lords of Lies”

    You mean the LOLz?

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 1:27 pm Anonymous

      Holy sheet. It all makes sense now.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 1:21 am Ridge

        Holy shit, I just had the same epiphany..

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  46. on February 10, 2012 at 9:46 pm LBK

    The end might take longer than many of us are assuming. The Roman Empire decayed slowly for centuries before it finally collapsed.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 3:14 pm John Norman Howard

      Inertia is always a dampening factor… the ol’ “not with a bang, but a whimper” observation.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 3:26 pm m;

      Technology – interconnectedness faster today. Global porn/feminism PC = black plague of 21st C (quick)

      i.e. not procreating mass pop. decline of non-theists (who have evol. defence against modernity and demographic extinction fornication,contraception,abortion)

      “the meek shall inherit the earth”

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  47. on February 10, 2012 at 9:49 pm MichaelC

    Caballero and Heartiste get to the heart of the problem: it used to be that certain behaviors were likely to result in your death and/or the death of your offspring, whether from starvation or getting more powerful people pissed off at you.

    Modern civilization shields (for a time) contra-survival behavior from immediate consequence. The effect is similar to the practice of putting out forest fires until the volume of deadwood and brush finally result in fires that are too big to be put out.

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  48. on February 10, 2012 at 9:52 pm dana

    yeah right

    NONE of this bullshit would exist without a government determined to shield everyone from the consequences of their bad choice and devoted to inexplicably promoting the interests of the lowest forms of black people at all costs

    people are able to indulge in their worst vices in our society due to the very very not laissez faire lack of consequences brought about by socialism. when libertarians talk about freedom they mean freedom without government shielding you from consequences via welfare, TANF, planned parenthood, roe v wade on a national level, draconian chid support orders made in semi unconstitutional family courts of equity, socialized medicine, social security, medicare, and on and on and on

    laissez faire human behavior ends really quick when your choices are made in a world of unameliorated consequences. go try being a hypergamous slut in a world when employers are free to discriminate against women for any reason they please–and to fire you for getting pregnant, or hell just because you don’t look so pretty anymore, or because a MAN shows up who needs a job. try being a single mom with no child support or food stamps or public school day care centers to dump your kids on all day. try being a low rent schvug with no affirmative action, benefits, public schools, head start, WIC or big city bureaucracy to give you a make work job, no EEOC, no section 8 housing, and where people are allowed to rent to whomever they wish

    try creating generations of childless cat ladies without social security and medicare to pay for them instead of their kids and grandkids

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  49. on February 10, 2012 at 9:54 pm Ulf Elfvin

    In my view, there would be very little wrong with America today had you not started to import German idealist and marxist philosophy in first half of the 19th century.

    America was built on reason, individualism, and freedom. German philosophy, since Kant, preaches unreason, self sacrifice, and collectivism.

    You can’t keep a civilization with that kind of philosophy.

    I also don’t think for a moment that it was the superior innate intelligence of the individuals who sailed to America after Columbus who created this brilliant civilization. Had they sailed to South America they would have been as successful as the people who went there.

    No, the reason for America’s greatness is freedom – and deeper: the philosophy of freedom, ie, the Enlightenment.

    If you get a new Enlightenment, you’ll keep your civilization.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 1:10 pm John Norman Howard

      The vast majority of North American immigrants who built this country were of the English and German stamp… and if/when they mixed, it was still White with White.

      What happened in South America, with Spanish/Portuguese masters bringing over an assload more of Negro slaves (I’ve heard numbers along the lines of 15 million versus the 2 million of NA), and then everyone mixing with the pöbelvolk already there, well…

      THERE’S your answer as to the different outcome results of the New World, north vs. south.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 9:57 pm Doug1

        Actually I believe the total number of African slaves we imported was 400k or at most 450 k.

        See:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_immigration_to_the_United_States

        There’s a table about 1/5 of the way down the page.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 12:55 pm John Norman Howard

        There’s a lot of sites playing fast and loose with the numbers, so I’m sure that 2M number I heard awhile back was an overestimate or “worst case”.

        The latest figures I’ve seen quote about 10.25M total slaves brought to the New World, so that makes it just about an order of magnitude higher number that wound up in South America & Caribbean versus the United States… which still verifies my previous post’s precept.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 12:57 pm John Norman Howard

        Check that… 20+ times the number, not an order of magnitude.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 6:56 pm Doug1

        20x is roughly an order of magnitude, which is 10x, with the next order of magnitude being 100x. Order of magnitude language is used for bid differences that are imprecisely measured or known, or are so big as for precision to be pointless. E.g. “10 orders of magnitude greater”.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 1:32 pm Nicole

      America may have been built on freedom, but if the last 200 or so years have proven anything, it is that humans can’t handle freedom. You give them freedom, and they do everything they possibly can to get themselves back into bondage.

      So in my opinion, the best thing for the civilization is what has worked for at least 10,000 years, and that is humane management.

      Freedom is for those willing to earn it…those willing to fight their way to the top, willing to risk starving for it by becoming entrepreneurs and travelers, and those willing to kill for it by overthrowing whoever’s oppressing them instead of begging them for favors. Everybody else just needs to be fed if they make themselves useful.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 7:34 pm Doug1

        I don’t believe in equality (of result). Period.

        The Jewish lead elites pushing for that beginning with the new left (cultural Marxism) created PC has been terrible for the American economy and cultural solidity. Feminism has been disastrous for family life and children. Fifty percent of marriages end in divorce, initiated by women 2.5x as often as men overall, and about 90% of the time among college educated couples with young children, according to many divorce lawyers.

        We have huge amounts of bureaucratic layers of compliance with federal anti “discrimination” laws and soft quotas in hr departments and legal staff and outside lawyers and so on. We have huge amounts of governmental inefficiency due to quota and then lots on top hiring of blacks and Hispanics for all sorts of government jobs many of them aren’t qualified for and all of them know it’s damn hard to fire them from.

        Racial AA is huge cholesterol in the American economic system.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 3:32 pm uh

      ” had you not started to import German idealist and marxist philosophy in first half of the 19th century.”

      LOZOZOZOZOZOZZZOZZOZZZ

      ” Had they sailed to South America they would have been as successful as the people who went there.”

      LOZLLZOLZOZLZLZZZZZZZZLZOZOZOZ

      What’s next — Africans looting the moon?

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  50. on February 10, 2012 at 9:54 pm zyzz

    Fascism is the answer, brah.

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  51. on February 10, 2012 at 9:58 pm Anonymous

    haha i was thinking the same thing. cant wait to read king a’s response. dude needs his own blog. king a, ch, and rollo form the trifecta of penetrative writing and thinking around these parts.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 11:18 am Harkat

      Agreed. King A, get on it.

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  52. on February 10, 2012 at 9:59 pm bc

    I am sympathetic, but don’t overstate your case. Research on LH strategy and IQ has yielded null results.

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  53. on February 10, 2012 at 10:04 pm Master Dogen

    Just finished reading the section on Sophocles–>Aeschylus–>Euripides in “The Birth of Tragedy.” It essentially echoes your point here (and I know it’s not meant to be an original point — Spengler saw it; the ancient Hindus saw it; etc — but one that apparently needs to be renewed and repeated for each generation, or each retard). The great god-like orgy of tragedy that emerged into Sophocles later became the more character-centric tragedy of Aeschylus, which became the still-tragic but now slightly ironic and much dryer and almost neurotic plays of Euripides. After Euripides: light, witty comedies-of-manner and wordplay. After that… the Romans walked all over the once mighty Greeks.

    Nowadays Euripides is much more readable (to most moderns) than Sophocles. In the very moment of their flourishing greatness, the Greeks were planting the seeds of their own hypertrophied intellectuality… their downfall at the hands of the militaristic Romans. The Greeks were better off with Sophocles, as “primitive” as he was. And yet, as you point out, each stage contains the seed of the next one.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 9:58 pm Doug1

      Hey, have long been missing your blog.

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  54. on February 10, 2012 at 10:07 pm Southern Man

    The title of this one really set me off as I’d been thinking along these lines for a while now. So I’m going to flog my own blog where I expand upon my earlier comment. Read this and let me know what you think. And if the hyperlink doesn’t work, damn you in advance, WordPress.

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  55. on February 10, 2012 at 10:24 pm demirogue

    I was watching Lou Dobbs the other night and the topic was young unemployment especially in regards to males. He had two “psychologist” on there talking about the ramifications of the “man boy” syndrome and the birth rate and one of them had the gall to say it’ll leave a smaller but smarter population down the road. Oh boy are they in for a rude awakening.

    Until the lopsided SMP is discussed and the outright lies on behalf of women are brought out into the open, this nation will literally go down like the Jews who thought they were just going into the showers for a quick wash. The ignorance and wrongful blame men get is a tragedy of the utmost obscenity while women are still portrayed as innocent victims. Only this time it’s lazy men instead of abusive ones.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 3:38 pm uh

      “this nation will literally go down like the Jews who thought they were just going into the showers for a quick wash.”

      Dems sum preddy stoopid Jews. Urnt dey supposedta be “some of the smartest people” EVER?

      Kinda queer how they aint kenned wot was happnin to ’em!!

      lozozoozozzozozozzz @ how everything is supposed to be more meaningful when “the Holocaust”TM is brought up

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  56. on February 10, 2012 at 10:26 pm Flip

    It’s the no fault divorce that is much of the problem. Women can leave for no reason and take much of the man’s wealth and future earnings with them.

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  57. on February 10, 2012 at 10:34 pm Muhammad

    Excellent article!

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  58. on February 10, 2012 at 10:44 pm Gramps

    Well, it has been obvious to me for decades that prosperity destroys everything it touches. How else could it be? Without a struggle , there is no need to devise constructive adaptations. Look at the decay of dynasties. The Ottoman’s lasted the longest because of their harem system and winner takes all, but, once they stopped that system, they decayed, too.

    If you are poor, struggle mightily to get a bigger piece of the action. Just be aware that the most important inheritance you can give to your children has very little to do with money.

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  59. on February 10, 2012 at 10:48 pm Johnycomelately

    It is an interesting but not much talked about side note of history that indigenous people like the Maori and Australian Aboriginals were out bred by settlers due to the rampant STDs prevalent in the promiscuous tribal cultures.

    Given the West’s promiscuity it is only a matter of time a monogamous culture asserts itself over the prevailing one by out breeding them (Mexicans in the US and Arabs in Europe).

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 3:28 pm Thor

      STDs are less of a threat than they used to be, even with AIDS.
      AIDS epidemics don’t exist unless you have either of

      o A subpopulation of gays
      o A subpopulation of IV drug users
      o A subpopulation or a whole population of people
      with pre-existing other problems, e.g. syphilis,
      chanchroid, FMG etc that cause open sores

      he reason is female-to-male contagion is, even given
      widespread promiscuity, not frequent enough to sustain
      an epidemic. (Note: This is statistical, NOT
      an individual warranty.)

      The Aboriginal were outbred because farmers always
      outbreed hunters and gatherers. Examples:

      o Tropical Africa: hunters and gathers outbred by the Bantu farmers
      or their West African equivalents. (Note: the tropical crops
      they knew how to grow precluded their settling South Africa.)

      o North America: Indians outbred. Yes, there were some horror
      stories, but in the end, population wise, the result was inevitable.

      o The NZ case is a little more complicated, Maoris are about
      15% of the population, but they were already farmers, albeit
      at the neolitic stage when Europeans arrived.
      (NZ lacks copper ore, the necessary
      training wheels to metallurgy).

      o South Africa: The Dutch outbred the San/Hottentots/Bushmen.

      But, back to the script, STDs will not cause whites to be
      outbred. But coexisting with cultures where the women start
      making babies by 18 or earlier and making 10 might cause the
      whites to be outbred – quickly.

      Thor

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 3:40 pm uh

        “might” cause? are you joking here? making babies by 18? try 15 brah, 10 in rural latinstan

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 10:02 pm Doug1

      Mexicans are monogamous?? That’s a joke.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 5:56 pm Thor

        Actually, not ridiculous. The Macho male culture
        is heavily counterbalanced by the equally Macho
        culture of men keeping their daughters and sisters
        out of “trouble”, And once married, the Mexicanas
        are heavily watched by their husbands the husbands’
        blood relatives. Additionally, many are devoutly Catholic.

        Thor

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  60. on February 10, 2012 at 10:54 pm Sugar

    Maybe I’m too obtuse to understand the article.

    He’s saying that prosperity will destroy itself, but he is not saying (or I am missing it) how or why.

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  61. on February 10, 2012 at 11:20 pm xsplat

    And yet never never never will anyone who predicts apocalypse describe a vision for what this will look like.

    Only the very vaguest handwavings.

    Whites are not going to start acting like blacks. Whites will continue to split off into college educated and higher IQ and longer time orientation camps against the trailer trash whites. The higher IQ whites may experience demographic decline, and will continue to experience relative demographic decline.

    But they will also continue to congregate in all white enclaves such as Boulder, Colorado, and can live their entire lives never encountering any of the apocalypse so feared.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 10:38 am Flip

      Yes. Montana and Idaho real estate are a buy due to white flight on a national level.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 3:42 pm uh

        Until more yidden move in and decide they need to be “enriched” with swarms of whatever. Count on it. Not that yidden themselves make pleasant company; their very presence shuts up free speech and deadens free thought.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 11:35 am Redleg

        Bullocks.

        American Jews are city beings, they are wedded to the Boulder crowd xsplat discusses, and the infrastructure they desire.

        There will never be large urban centers in yonder hinterlands, no matter how desirable they become as destinations. There just isn’t the resource availability/infrastructure. There is not an indigenous yearning for centralized amenities. Thus there will be no “yidden” invasion to trouble you.

        Any Jews you do encounter on the plains will be cagey, wary of authority and self possessed, just as the current inhabitants are. Just steer clear of Jackson Hole.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 3:21 pm John Norman Howard

      The Northwest Imperative may be one of the safety valves for Whites… if we have the balls to see it through when the North American Balkan States reach their tippling point.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 3:44 pm uh

        Safety valve for whom — xsplat’s non-group of genetically tweaked individualists who despise “trailer trash whites” abandoned to negritude?

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 1:03 pm John Norman Howard

        Racially-conscious Whites who care about a future for White children… there don’t have to be a lot of us, perhaps only several tens of thousands at first, to establish a viable homeland.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 3:30 pm Thor

      …if you abolish federal taxes….

      Thor

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 5:58 pm Thor

      …until the feds tax their money away. Galt’s Gulch is hard to
      produce once you have Earth-orbiting satellites.

      Thor

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  62. on February 10, 2012 at 11:29 pm whiskeysplace

    The problem is that women have been sold a pack of lies — that freedom comes without cost. The immediate cost to women is … choosing badly. Giselle Bundchen might end up with Tom Brady. But Bridget Monaghan did not. Pursuit of Alphas might work out for a few Supermodels, for the rest of woman-kind, the best bet is choosing the “best” qualities in the most reliable guy they can get.

    The past prosperity is an illusion: built entirely on US dominance, cheap oil, and “a lot of ruin in a nation.” None of which last forever. If women know this, and understand, the easy life today could be gone tomorrrow, that Beta provider looks pretty good. But women have to know the score (this site is invaluable for showing the score). Eventually people realize a Ponzi scheme, they know it can’t pay out. Sexual freedom is just like that. The only way to win is not to play.

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  63. on February 10, 2012 at 11:37 pm walawala

    Carolyn writes: “”my point is that there must be plenty of young women out there with a similar mindset. did all girls suddenly become stupid?””

    The sense of entitlement women have now developed make the shift from AFC to alpha more challenging.

    It’s been repeated many times here that when guys view sex as some kind of reward, it puts them in the position of the follower rather than the leader.

    Leading is hard, there is always resistance in business, in life and in relationships.

    The minute there’s self-doubt your frame is compromised and you become needy and looking for affirmation.

    Smart girls go for guys who accommodate them, who worship them?

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  64. on February 10, 2012 at 11:42 pm Mast Vajority

    I think anybody who enjoys this blog should be an active George Carlin studier. Particularly his later years/standups. He said many times that the system in America threw us overboard thirty years ago, and that we are essentially circling the drain.

    I can’t help but agree. My belief is that either there will be widespread revolt in response to increasingly shittier means of living and/or you’ll see a whole lot of americans emigrating to foreign up and coming cities.

    Even when i was young, the passiveness of the average person in the face of unfairness, tyranny (however subtle) perplexed the shit outta me. The vast majority (middle class) are so asleep at the wheel and uninformed about how shafted we are all getting.

    My personal philosophy is that you have to be aggressive, bold and capital T.A.K.E what you need in life…because our declining culture, and the increasingly dire times we’re experiencing are mimicking more and more the “everyone for himself” survival mentality of the wild.

    This blog, and many other sources for me have helped to eradicate the part of myself that is reflexively concerned with the selfish whims of the outside world. As you age, and especially as a male, you come to slowly and painfully learn that no-one is watching your back, and even your family isn’t at all times.

    It seems a bit heavy after writing it, but i’m a firm believer in working with reality and not deluding myself, only to be once again ass rammed by the natural state of things, and wishing i had kept my own best interest in mind.

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  65. on February 10, 2012 at 11:47 pm walawala

    interesting hearing her describe the thrill. Even 50 years later she’s still stuck in that moment….Wonder how her husbands feel hearing this story being told over and over…

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 10:25 am Anonymous

      and notice what a mangina the interviewer is acting like he’d have had no sexual interest in her when she was an intern. You can see this wimp’s female colleague in the red dress squirming with delight over the long dead alpha while probably feeling nothing for her white knighting colleague.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 2:08 pm Anon

      Did you hear what the wrinkled whore said towards the end?

      Something like “in hindsight”, it was an unbalanced and exploitative relationship because he was much older (you know, the kind of relationships that should be banned for the sake of the pure innocent 19 year old female angels), but “at the time”, she couldn’t stop the juices from flowing inside her vagina.

      It’s the typical talk of feminist shrikes who blabber about the unappropriateness of older men/younger females relationships, without having the beginning of a clue about the sexual market dynamics.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 11:19 am passingby

        Translation: When I was hot and young, I wanted a man like him to respond to my hot youngness. Now, I want men to respond to me still, even though I lack those qualities.

        She no longer wants sex from men, though, she just wants provision of resources to make her comfortable and the wise crone of the tribe, able to lord over younger women and men.

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  66. on February 11, 2012 at 12:23 am Hugh

    Unfortunately with the system of high investment reproduction you are not of reproducing age until age 28-31 and having more than 3 children is uncommon. The people who treat child-bearing very lightly (because ‘ole Uncle Sam will pick up the tab) are ready to pump out kids with the same socialist compass at age 16 and will have babies until they drop a uterus.
    Idiocracy could very well be a foretelling movie.

    Also, Obama has awakened a great number of budding conservatives who until his absolute failure in the seat of power believed every problem with the economy came from Bush because the economy boomed under Clinton, which coincidentally was an idea parroted by every major news station. The fact is that liberalism is a luxury and can only exist as a parasite. That parasite eventually sucks up all of the nutrients and the host has a choice to die a slow death by starvation or shrug off the parasites and move to Atlantis.

    I agree that responsibility is a bygone term. The moral decay in this country is accelerating rapidly to try and catch up to Europe’s. Perhaps it will slow down when the guillotine of economics falls onto the over-leveraged neck of the Eurozone but I doubt it.

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  67. on February 11, 2012 at 12:29 am Sal Paradise

    The two main problems western society faces today are liberal democracy leading to an unsustainable socialism and unchecked individualism leading to complete moral decay. Politicians get elected on lowering taxes and increasing spending, two contradictory aims that inevitably lead to a bankrupt country. And without a widespread moral code such as organized religion to keep pervasive hedonism in check, chaos ensues.

    As America becomes more secular and the economy continues its decline, I see us first becoming a third world country, and then our democratic system collapsing. But maybe I’m just a clueless reactionary.

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  68. on February 11, 2012 at 12:56 am Adam

    This is one of the rare times when I’m glad to be a Fascist.

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  69. on February 11, 2012 at 1:45 am Nighthawk

    The Western world appears to be in decline, but it is merely a by-product of saturation of development potential, coupled with major gains made by former serf colonies on their own path to prosperity.

    There is no doubt that we will see the relative status of major Western powers, including our very own, diminish with time. As it always goes in nature, adaptability will be the key to survival. It would be foolish to believe that the US is going to collapse entirely into some form of post-apocalyptic dystopia – that’s just wishful thinking courtesy of the losers of this world. The strong and the mighty will continue to pull the strings and the puppets will have no choice but to play along.

    The US will not fall apart because its society is extremely well trained in obeisance. American people are the poster children for structured, militarist observance of rules and trends. Regardless of how lopsided the status of living becomes and the divergence between the haves and have-nots continues to increase, the vast majority will continue to believe in their own American dream, which is of course virtually identical to that of their neighbor. It is this dissonance of perceived individuality and actual herd behavior that makes this country strong. For better or worse.

    We are also entering an age of the female. For those who haven’t noticed, the inertia of cultural trends will continue to diminish men’s rights and elevate women into positions of authority, often against better judgement. I don’t think there’s an effective remedy for that cultural shift unless it could be shown conclusively how destructive such a trend would be.

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  70. on February 11, 2012 at 1:47 am DFCtomm

    In simpler terms: what’s good for the individual man or woman is not necessarily, or very often, good for a prosperous society. This has been a core concept here at the Chateau since its inception.

    I like to use cows as an example. Cows are one of the most populace species on the face of the earth, and they exist on every habitable continent. Their partnership with man has allowed cows to conquer the earth. The only problem being, of course, that we eat them. Which isn’t really much of a problem to mother nature, but is certainly a problem for each and every cow. What is good for the cow as a species is not good for an individual cow.

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  71. on February 11, 2012 at 2:07 am Anonymous

    FYI… critical article on the Manosphere by a woman…

    “Complementarity, Not Competition,” by Elizabeth Duffy, Patheos, 2 Feb 2012
    http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Complementarity-Not-Competition-Elizabeth-Duffy-02-02-2012?offset=0&max=1

    Not especially fond of the “sexual marketplace” today either, but feels the Manosphere is encouraging not constructive traditional masculinity, but the misogynistic “douchebag” variety the SMP favors instead, in response.

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  72. on February 11, 2012 at 2:11 am DFCtomm

    A conservative libertarian has a lot to grapple with here: freedom and prosperity are the real “culprits” here, and their interaction with natural genetic variation.

    Actually it’s not much to grapple with at all. You must realize that culture always leads legislation. Laws generally are only for deviants, since most laws fall easily within cultural norms. Society collapses not because gay marriage becomes the law of the land. Gay marriage becomes law of the land because of societal collapse. Legislative change is the last, and most meaningless bastion to fall. The culture war is fought in the schools, churches, theaters and on the televisions of the nation. Government isn’t involved, it’s more like the trophy that is presented after the contest.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 10:34 am King A's Bastard Son

      Excellent observation.

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  73. on February 11, 2012 at 2:18 am Anonymous

    As far as the looking apocalypse… there is a minor problem on the way to doom…. which is the santorum/romney/huntsman phenomenon.. rich conservative men have basketball teams of kids.

    Libtards have few (unless paid by subsidy). In the muslim world this is a destructive force in places like Turkey and Egypt where moderates failed to breed and lost the demographic race with the radical muslims bringing back beheading. Here in the states, the hordes of religious breeding leads to things like christmas carols, volunteerism, conspicuous drops in teen sex/drug use.

    Aside from the cherished minority welfare subsidy, the liberal age was a brief self-destructive moment in the USA. SWPL will not exist in large numbers within a few decades because they will be bred out of existence. Liberal white America is finished. The future is a country like the Santorums and the Romeys who bred young and bred fast. If the welfare subsidy for minority brood mares can be cut and immigration of violents ignorants slashed, the future for the USA looks strong.

    The new deal generation looks like history and the braindead baby boomer demographic will die away. Meaning that there is hope.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 5:35 am Anonymous

      Bad example with the next generation of Santorums: his own nephew rejects his world view and supports Ron Paul.

      [heartiste: in extended families there will always be one or two relatives who believe a different narrative than the patriarch’s. this isn’t evidence for or against the patriarch’s beliefs. it’s merely evidence that genetic hereditarianism is not absolute.]

      Moreover, if genetics has a say, then Karen Santorum will give her daughters the genes that saw Karen riding up and down on an alpha abortion doctor until he dumped her after she hit the wall at age 30. Karen then had babies with the beta Rick who was willing (read: had no other choice but) to take a woman who’d been discarded by an alpha and build a family with her. Genetically speaking, the Santorum kids would be 50:50 pro-alpha and pro-beta.

      If nurture has most of the say, Santorum’s daughters will grow up knowing their mother enjoyed a man who was the opposite of their father until she was 30. They might quietly plan on copying their mom’s life trajectory.

      They will also remember their father being defeated, including having won the straw polls in Minnesota and Colorado but the delegates that were chosen weren’t planning to honor the stupid wishes of clueless old people who don’t read the Internet (where Santorum’s support comes from).

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  74. on February 11, 2012 at 3:35 am Robert Griffith

    In my opinion, this is quite possibly the most important eye popping article you have ever written. Let me say that I read much of your material. Let me also say that I agree with you on pretty much everything you touch on. Western society is dying. There can be no doubt about that. That fact is undebateable. I think western civilization will be missed when it finally unravels.

    Like you, I always had a pretty good understanding of women. I understood from a early age what it is the typical female is looking for. What she wants, and what she desires. As a result, I was always very successful with the ladies. That being said, the “player/club whore” lifestyle runs counter clockwise to a advanced civilization.

    I do not see western civilization restoring itself. I think history is littered with past civilizations that have went through the same stages that western civilization is currently going through. On a sidenote, I think those that are most responsible for cheering on the destruction of western civilization will ultimately be the ones that may miss western civilization the most.

    You know, I am a convert to Islam. My wife is Middle Eastern and I converted more as a gesture of good faith than any real epiphany. I was never really a very good Christian (other than culturally) and to be honest I am not a very good Muslim. Church/Mosque have never appealed to me. They still don’t. However, not being closely attached to either faith has allowed me to view both religions/cultures through unbiased eyes. (by the way, the Christianity of a hundred and fifty years ago resembled Islam more than it does the current facade of Christianity)

    I think people take western civilization for granted. I think white western females take western civilization for granted big time. They denounce the very culture that permits them to behave in ways that would render them untouchable in MOST other wordly cultures. Much of their conduct would be reigned in very quickly under most other worldly cultures. I know beyond a doubt that under all but the most Liberal of Islamic law such behavior would be halted instantly. Feminism would end within hours.

    I am by no means espousing such a thing. In fact I say that only to illustrate how silly a white suburban 19 year old know nothing female who is majoring in women’s studies sounds to me when she starts railing against female oppression under western law. Little does she know, or understand that a group of women have never experienced the level of freedom or independence that her and her cohorts experience today.

    What is the answer?? There is none. Western society has brought material and scientific advancement to man unlike any and all cultures before it. Even Muslims know this. Muslims admire western civilization. Many of the the most educated among the Muslims want to mimic it. Western culture has produced art, literature, architecture, music, medicine, and technological know how that is unrivaled. Western culture has been so successful that is has allowed for those who are unable to survive on their own merit to multiply and become numerous. So numerous in fact that they threaten the most productive. However the curtain is coming down. Within 100 years, most western nations will be shadows of what they once were.

    I know it was a bit of a rant. However I rarely post. I do read your site regularly though. I find the nature of human relations very intriguing. And you my friend have a excellent understanding in such matters.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 11:24 am passingby

      I may start asking women who rant about male oppression to take a vegan approach: don’t permit yourself to enjoy any of the benefits of the patriarchal culture. Maintain your purity. Then start the discussion of what she must give up. Answer? Everything.

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  75. on February 11, 2012 at 5:59 am pantyfx

    Your pretty close to the actual choice humanity has to make. It has everything to do with this stuff.

    If we as an entire culture choose hedonism and expense dependence it’s going to be more annoying for me to find a way off this rock to fuck space chicks, get space aids and die while banging a woman from each species to properly distribute my seed amongst the sentient!

    You fuckwits are ruining my Christmas!

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  76. on February 11, 2012 at 6:41 am Nutz

    The short short version of the article is this:

    As a society becomes free and open and women become prosperous, females are free to follow their own hypergamous natures.

    I’ve been saying this for a while actually, that women these days are free to chase the alpha cock carousel, unrestrained by society’s previous restrictions on female sexuality. Slut shaming still exists, but only so much by women as a means of maintaining the value of their sexuality. Cue the lamentations of young women on college campuses who can’t get male investment (in the form of relationships or resources) because of all the other low-hanging fruit men would rather choose than the women that would hold back sex for commitment.

    As this NYT article from a few years mentioned, women in today’s society all would prefer to get an alpha male, and EVEN WHEN THERE ARE MORE WOMEN THAN MEN (such as on campus) women still mainly compete for only the best 20% of men.

    http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/08/colleges-where-men-are-in-supply

    “Out of that 40 percent, there are maybe 20 percent that we would consider, and out of those 20, 10 have girlfriends, so all the girls are fighting over that other 10 percent,” she said.

    Beta males are relatively left out of the picture, both on campus and in society as a whole, that is until the women age and can’t get male attention like they once did in their prime. The exception to this rule of thumb is the women who couldn’t get an alpha in the first place for one reason or another.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 3:53 pm Thor

      Hah! Read the paragraph that is a quote.
      I was not surprised that a female no-nothing
      freshman would spout this. But I must
      admit, the Fishwrap Times shrank even lower
      in my opinion for publishing such pap, and the
      surrounding text by the interviewer showed
      no misgivings. It was on CH’s blog at the time.

      OF COURSE you can create a tremendous
      deficit of men (or, for that matter, women)
      by arbitrarily excluding all but the most
      in-demand minority of men (or women).

      A young man at this college, despite being
      slightly rarer then the women, could have
      said something like “Yes women are 57 percent,
      but only about 10 percent are hot enough to
      bother with, so there are 43 men to
      10 women” And even Fishwrap would have
      understood that this kind of reasoning is garbage.

      Thor

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 11:29 am passingby

        Mind you, colleges have already selected out the bottom 80% of IQ in the selection process, and these men are in the prime of life.

        For women to be sniffing that large chunks of the population are unsuitable say so much about human sexuality. I said before in reference to that article that this illustrates the groupie-rock bank mating preferences of women. EVERY woman wants the lead singer of the band. Many of those women will grudgingly accept the drummer as a substitute good. But most will sneer at a nameless nobody in the crowd, because he is unworthy of her. Her imagined nearness to and ability to land the lead singer makes her unwilling to consider men closer to the imagined average.

        When she does accept that average man, however, she will still seek the attention of the band members, and make herself available to them. These college women are doing the same thing, only on a college campus.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 1:22 pm Thor

        Hardly the top 80%, since about half of the
        age group go to college. More so among women.

        Thor

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 6:04 pm passingby

        The school’s admission standards are higher than the local community college, I would guess, given its rankings in the US News & World Report.

        http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-north-carolina-chapel-hill-199120/overall-rankings

        I would assume that it would take about a top quintile IQ distribution curve to qualify for admission there, at the low end of the class. Probably higher, truth be told.

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  77. on February 11, 2012 at 6:56 am Nutz

    Follow-up to my previous comment with the full article:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/fashion/07campus.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1328960326-VQnaX2FKHK4cj9USYm+4Ag

    Needless to say, this puts guys in a position to play the field, and tends to mean that even the ones willing to make a commitment come with storied romantic histories. Rachel Sasser, a senior history major at the table, said that before she and her boyfriend started dating, he had “hooked up with a least five of my friends in my sorority — that I know of.”

    This pretty much says it all in terms of women having to ante up if they want to play the alpha cock carousel game. However, what this doesn’t address is how the 80% of men on campus (and in society) are relatively being left out in the cold. IMO if it wasn’t for the emergence of this stark reality then Game wouldn’t have emerged in the first place–there wouldn’t be any need for it under the old rules of society that reigned in female sexuality and spread things around more evenly. (pun intended)

    So what have we got today? About 20% of men scooping up the lion’s share of free sex with who knows what percentage of women. If I had to guess, it’s probably around 60-70%, based on a lifetime of observations. Of the remaining women, the reason they’re not getting their share of the alphas is because they’re not good enough for them, have high morals, or are no longer in the dating market for one reason or another.

    The conservative in me thinks this Hooking Up Smart article has a decent take on all this:

    http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2010/02/08/hookinguprealities/i-hate-math-especially-on-college-campuses/

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  78. on February 11, 2012 at 7:08 am bruce

    60 years?

    Women got the vote over a century ago. JS Mill started the feminist movement long before that, while worshipping his ice princess wife.

    Who voted to bring Hitler to power? Women loved Hitler, much more than men did.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 4:13 pm Thor

      Not quite. In the US, nationwide women’s suffrage came in 1920.
      In Britain, limited rights in 1818, rights same as men 1928.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_the_United_Kingdom
      France: 1944. For a quick list do e.g.
      http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_de_vote_des_femmes

      Thor

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 5:38 am Anonymous

        Yes, Thor, but the state voting was where the action was, with all the new laws regulating male behavior more than a century ago.

        The national suffrage thing was just an afterthought after the real damage had been done.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 10:25 pm Doug1

      No they got it 8 years shy of a century ago.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 12:57 pm uh

      You mean the tens-of-thousands of men who fought & died in the Wehrmacht and SS, right?

      This one always tickles me. Women LOVED Hitler — watch out! it’s the next Hitrerr!!

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  79. on February 11, 2012 at 7:53 am Gunn

    There is a flaw in the reasoning. Prosperity and freedom are bandied around without a clear understanding of the mechanism that has produced them.

    It is the welfare state, and government action, that has allowed women ‘prosperity’ and ‘freedom’.

    If an unmarried, unemployed woman had a child which was not paid for by the government, and where government bodies did not assign child support payments to the father, what would be the prevalance of alpha thugs actually fathering children?

    On top of this, a significant proportion of female employment is provided by government make-work, via the public sector. If this was removed, and companies were not hit with diversity laws that mandated they hire less productive but more ‘protected’ citizens, how many women would be independently prosperous, and when baby rabies inevitably hit, who would they look for in a mate?

    In short, prosperity and freedom (for women and some minorities) are paid for by productive elements of society (largely white or asian men) who have their wealth transferred by government to women and protected minorities.

    Jason Malloy appears to have bought into the idea that women are actually as productive as men, and therefore earn their prosperity and freedom in modern society, rather than have it given to them by government action.

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  80. on February 11, 2012 at 7:59 am anoneemus

    Malloy is giving us an evo-bio version of Schumpeter. It’s not crazy but let’s hope it’s not inevitable. I suspect competition with China (even peaceful comp) may lead to some reversals after a half century when the US had no truly serious competitors.

    Or else, we’re just screwed.

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  81. on February 11, 2012 at 8:11 am Anonymous

    I’d say prosperity kills civilizations because the hottest babes have enough cash for more than subsistence on their own indefinitely and are no longer striving for the prize older builder of civilizations in order to survive and thrive, but instead lazily turning to the biker or surfer dude who didn’t have to build the civilization at all ever in order to get the best sex.

    This, in turn, demotivates the builders of civilization who stop building, never start building or leave.

    One doesn’t need American style social conservatism to build a civilization and it’s been shown that this ideology only encourages the growth of feminism while one can argue that libertarianism better shines the light of reason on cockroach feminists. Ron Paul, for instance, is almost the only politician who voted against feminist initiatives in the past 20 years while charlatans like Santorum might rail against the sexual revolution but, as a US senator, voted for every last new feminist law presented, not to mention “compassionate conservative” wealth transfers mostly from men to women.

    What one needs to build civilizations is to make sure that the builders are rewarded with sex in proportion to the amount they build and this is best done by not unnecessarily transferring wealth from males to females even as student loans, giving 16-25 year old females too much self esteem and entitlement complexes during the critical period when they should be finding a provider who built something.

    If small l libertarianism can crush feminism through reason, and I believe it can via the Internet, America would be a lot better off than it has been during the 150 year current but dying phase where social conservatism has only spurred on feminism as a complementary (oligarchical?) faith-based superstitious ideology that can’t survive the age of the Internet.

    *One can even say that American feminism and social conservatism are ultimately the two faces of a Janus oligarchy that wants to pretend to its subjects (us) that there is at least a two party system in America when it’s really the same people pretending to argue about abortion.

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  82. on February 11, 2012 at 9:14 am Heywood Jablome

    Sounds suspiciously like an argument for Original Sin. Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made, eh?

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  83. on February 11, 2012 at 9:16 am Traveller

    “Maxim #1,000: Democracy contains within it the seed of its own destruction.”

    Fixed it for you. The ruin of the society is not by hedonism or prosperity or happyness. But because of those consuming more than they produce, and they can vote their parasitic welfare.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 12:24 pm Anonymous

      +1

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  84. on February 11, 2012 at 10:00 am Thor

    I am not so sure the tendencies below worry the respective groups all that much. Whether it SHOULD is another question.

    “Libertarians: laissez faire means the cementing of intractable human hereditary differences into antagonistic classes and milieus.”

    Many Libertarians accept this, indeed welcome the first part. Galt’s Gulch was hardly inclusive, even in fiction it worked _precisely_ because of a very exclusive immigration policy. The real question is how antagonistic this would be. Remember, most civilizations, including the Western Civilization up to say WWI, had (and has, outside the West) vastly more inequality than what the West has now, or is likely to have in the short or intermediate future. Long term – well, much harder to tell, as always. The current howls about increasing inequality (regardless of how true or relevant it is) perceive the low point of inequality in or around 1960 as the norm. In fact, it may prove to be a fluke. The road to happiness is reduced expectations…

    Maybe we are heading to enclaves. Gated communities is the vanguard of this movement. I am for gated communities in principle, but in reality what happens is they create an authoritarian hell of their own, run by people who _literally_ have nothing better to do.

    “Conservatives: freedom and prosperity mean a slackening of external behavioral motivators and the erosion of commonality and shared values and the means with which to argue for them.“

    Probably applies to the Santorum-style [Santorum is one of several contenders for US President and is totally unprincipled on economics and everything else, except Bible-thumping] conservatives that worry about these things. Some of these people are scary, but fortunately the really hard cases are a small minority. Belief, as driven by CH’s quote above, that privations build character. Well, actually, maybe they do build character in some instances, but the hard cases want to prescribe it as remedy (except to themselves).. No thanks, say I.

    But many Conservatives (or at least Republican voters in the US, some Tories in the UK etc) are Libertarian-leaning in personal ideology and can fall into my description of Libertarians above.

    “Liberals: nonjudgmental individualism means a collapse of social capital and a surrender of any moral or aesthetic authority.”

    Yup. They are nuts, even by their own beliefs they are destructive or self-destructive,
    i.e. their policies must in the long run lead to things they (and most people) abhor.
    Exception (sortof): The wanna-be-masters of the universe, every pipsqueak college kid who wants to remake the world into Nirvana, implicitly with themselves as the above-it-all Mandarins. Trouble is, if they are successful, much more than 90% will find that there just isn’t that much room at the top, so they will get what they want, except that their own personal place in the system will be near the bottom, not the top.

    But the general drift of CH’s writing makes sense. Loosely, without sorting into categories, prosperity makes too many people fat, dumb and happy, and has a tendency to ruin the whole civilization. There are no easy fixes. Personally (I now live near the DC area ) I daily see the DC license plates with the logo “Taxation without representation”.

    (Note to readers outside the US: this was one of the slogans, preceded by “No” during the war for American independence, but has been adopted by DC because people living in DC have much reduced voting rights in national elections]. But I have come to the conclusion that in the long run, democracy without limits does not work. The US Founding Fathers were very aware of the pitfalls, and went to great length to limit the powers of the federal government – also a prerequisite to get it adopted by the 13 states. This lasted up to roughly 1900, after which the federal government by various means has arrogated increasing power to itself. ) Well, I cannot see the system working without inserting the coequal requirement, no representation without taxations. Net tax eaters should not be allowed to vote.

    More to the point, Western civ is heading to a crisis, maybe a collapse. And if we are REALLY LUCKY, something half-decent will rise from the ashes. If not lucky, we might get some new brand of totalitarianism, or at least a system geared to and run by a very small elite. My solution above would create a society where power is broadly based, but not too broadly. Goldilocks, where are you when we need you.

    Thor

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  86. on February 11, 2012 at 10:29 am Harkat

    We better all make ourselves useful to our chinese overlords, eh?

    Apparently, in China, the average man does not find freedom to be as important as economic growth, much to the shock of the western left.

    I’ll enjoy my freedom of speech and videogames while they last.

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  87. on February 11, 2012 at 10:56 am tapanar

    There is this thing called ‘culture’… Heartiste, have you heard of it? (have you ever been to a European country? Have you lived in one?)

    The characteristic of a civilized society is not technological, industrial or financial prosperity. Your problem is not prosperity. The mark of a civilized society is its CULTURE and the fact is that the US and North America as a whole are a cultural shithole. You can attempt psychological and evolutionary justifications of your situation all you want, but you will never know what I’m talking about in case you’ve spent all your life on this culturally crippled continent. Your society has not developed any sort of culture and thus is not civilized.

    Correction: there is culture in the US. This culture is based on instant gratification and other primary human instincts, like greed (for higher profit, bigger, shinier objects), fear (from the bad guys, terrorists, the Russians, whatever), the need for recognition achieved through fame (rather than friendship), etc. The satisfaction of those basic needs has become your culture’s VALUES and (most) Americans know of nothing beyond that — there no place for complicated concepts like MORALS, EMPATHY, SHAME, etc.

    Unfortunately, you likely don’t understand what I’m talking about.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 11:46 am Harkat

      I lived in Norway for most my life, now living in Switzerland.

      Here, people are kind as hell. I was out the other night at 2 AM, freezing my ass off, looking for a bus home, when this semi-drunk good looking chick approaches me out of the blue. She noticed I was lost and immediately gave me good advice on how to get where I needed to go.

      It’s frequently echoed that western women nowadays are selfish and devoid of sympathy, especially for men, but this case, which is not at all isolated, suggests the contrary.

      I’ve never been to the US, I wouldn’t know how different things are there though…

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 4:31 pm Thor

        The selfishness of Western women might not be any
        worse than that of other people, inherently. Most
        people will have few scruples as far as grabbing what
        they can. And, yes, Western women sure can!

        And Western women are soft-hearted
        – to stray puppies. But the moment they think of
        a man as a potential mate, or even date, the
        evopsych programming put on steroids by the
        femocracy, comes in full force, Thus, the reaction
        to even the most polite expression of sex-based
        interest is met with at best cool indifference, at
        worst with “Iaahhh, this CREEPY guy is trying
        to TALK to me. Make him go away, somebody!”

        CA talks about bitch shields, true enough, but
        it goes much deeper that that – the reactions
        described above are emotionally genuine in most
        cases, but occur mainly because of the fem-centered
        indoctrination and the (often fulfilled )
        expectation to date alphas, and the
        (usually unfulfilled) expectation to marry one.

        Thor

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 11:34 am passingby

        If he had tried to seek romance, her reaction? “I will *not* settle for less!” Etc.

        as you point out, it is when their reproductive capacity is kicked in that you find out women can be harder than Rhodesian mercenaries and more calculating than a Borgia.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 1:16 pm Ra

      Culture is but the framework a society uses to judge people’s worthyness of reproduction. Music,dance,debates and education are but contests to determine as much. From what I’ve gathered of American culture it doesn’t really differ all that much from continental Europe so I don’t really see how Europe is better off. The catholic countries of Europe may still have some remnants of high culture, but the protestant ones are quite clearly in the same place as the USA. Shame,empathy and morals are as much banners to be upheld as they are swords. Do you think that the redistribution found in Europe isn’t based on greed? By what means do you think such things are extorted if not by abusing someones empathy? It is nothing but survival of the pitiful with one trying to outdo the other for the sake of material gain and fame. It has gotten to the point where whenever I hear someone mention solidarity the hairs on my back instinctively go up since it usually means someone wants to benefit at my expense, the experience is rather similar as to how you feel when you are talking with a salesman. I suppose one can say that people have become merchants in guilt.

      I don’t really see what those values you mention have to do with culture. The nobility of old had a very developed ‘culture’, but they weren’t more moral,shameful or empathetic than the average person. Dare I say that much like the stoic patriarchs of the old roman republic they loathed the virtues you cite since emotions such as pity not only lower the person that experiences it but also the target of it. The pity and empathy found in Europe are but means for the poor to gain more material goods which may make them more cunning than the ones in the states but their goals are just as base. True altruism is detached and done voluntarily. This form of altruism isn’t found more frequently in Europe than in the states. If it was the case then Europeans would give more to charity and volunteer more often than Americans which is not the case by far. Americans give 3 1/2 times the amount of money the French donate to charity and more than 12 times the amount Germans give to charity. They also volunteer more often than either. During the industrial revolution Americans were debating how much of ones wealth one should give to the less fortunate while in Europe people were making modest proposals for solving poverty. The main debate was centered around whether it was better to starve the poor or sterilize them. It got to the point where people like Bismarck had to create social security to bribe the poor into remaining in Europe and it barely reduced the amount of Germans that left for the states.

      The concept of noblesse obliges doesn’t seem to be as present in Europe as in the states apparantly if nobility is determined by the having of the virtues you cite. Maybe a hundred years ago your post would have been accurate, but in the digital age Europe is as materialistic as those other two great experiments in materialism known as the Soviet Union and the USA.

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      • on February 11, 2012 at 4:44 pm Thor

        Of course Western Europe is largely on the same
        path as the US. That’s why I usually write about
        Western Civ, not just US. Funny about noblesse oblige,
        a distinctly European, indeed French, concept.
        But I believe that the more social redistributed programs
        there are, the less philanthropy you will see.
        That’s a pity, as philanthropists usually have lots
        more sense and get lots more bang for the buck
        than any government does.

        Thor

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 1:12 am xsplat

      The U.S. has deep and vast cultural reserves.

      For instance look at the many continuing education offerings available through the many public institutions, private instututions, an through individuals in Bouler, Coloorado. Poetry writing, chi-kung healing touch, massage therapy, yoga, meditation, music, martial arts, literature. On any given night you can attend a public lecture by a respected enthusiast on the subject of your interest and be surrounded by a community with like interests. And the level of expertise available is world class, and often imported from the global pool of experts.

      The U.S. is a big place, and harbors pockets of of highly cultured individuals – sometimes these pockets are broadly scattered. Were you aware of the popularity of cowboy poetry, and were you aware of the cowboy poetry gatherings?

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 12:35 pm Anon

      European culture is ravaged by socialo-communism. Have you ever read about their legislative and presidential campaigns. In France where I’m temporarily stuck for professional reasons, I am under the impression that the bolcheviks are coming back. There is unbelievable stuff on the media, like confiscatory fiscal policies limiting personal income to 30ks a month, or pure upfront communist diatribes about the virtues of collectivism.

      Europeans are going full retard. Tolerating that kind of shit is the sign that leftists are gonna win again, sooner or later.

      They all need a bunch of McCarthys. God bless his soul.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 5:22 pm Thor

        Do you mean Senator McCarthy who everybody knows
        was running the House Unamerican Activities Committee?

        (spot the problem!)

        Thor

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  88. on February 11, 2012 at 12:14 pm King A

    Excellent inquiry once again marred by evo-babble. Fruit flies, brother?

    We do not relate to nerds poking at insects.

    And “protectors of the tribe”? You can stop proving and re-proving the essential social need for and attraction to manliness. You have no legitimate opponents of that contention here, we all have drunk that particular Kool Aid. As for those who disagree, you will not persuade them with Excel spreadsheets and Just So Stories from The Savannah.

    You persuade by example. You made your name by preaching your example. You have brought men (and women) on board by keen observation and an uncommon ability to analyze and articulate what you have witnessed. Focus on your strengths, exploit your own talent. You have zero need to dabble in epistemology. You put your entire corpus in jeopardy by sourcing all of your wisdom to a flimsy premise unworthy of your output. You’re soaring over the landscape of lies … with a cinder block chained to your ankle. Cut it loose. This dorky obsession with science websites is polluting your swagger.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 12:31 pm Harkat

      Your point being that western society is NOT collapsing and CH’s theories are unfounded? Please enlighten us.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 4:25 pm King A

        I’m not sure how you get that from what I wrote. Western society is most certainly collapsing and CH’s is in the ballpark with his observations. His theories aren’t exactly “unfounded,” but they are built on a ramshackle foundation.

        Enlighten yourself. (It’s really the only way.)

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 9:25 pm Dark Triumvir

      Your flourishes have revealed a critical weakness in your elegant word craft. The inability to understand evolutionary psychology’s salience to the subject at hand severely limits your perspective. Do you refute the extant scientific literature on this subject? On what foundation does your world view stand?

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 6:30 pm Anon

        on the big boss monkey in the sky.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 11:16 am King A

        Dark Triumvir:

        Evo-psych has a “salience to the subject at hand,” but it isn’t the defining one. In fact, the assumption that it defines reality has destroyed the integrity of the science itself. Rather than employ the scientific method of control, experiment, and observation (which is severely limited since there has only been one evolution), all of the amateur scientist’s energy goes into tautologies — how do we make the facts fit the theory? That’s not science, it’s a creed. That’s not following the evidence, that is retrofitting the evidence to a predetermined conclusion. As if to say: we know that evolution is inarguably true, therefore our only task is to interpret the phenomena in front of our face so that it doesn’t upset the untouchable conclusion.

        Risible conjecture results about how, say, we want to have sex with beautiful women because of this or that feature of “the veldt,” cleavage looks like baboon asses, a beautiful vista is an illusion based on adaptive behavior, etc. So much unclever casuistry in service of a never-touched, hollow idol.

        Whatever you want to call that practice, it isn’t science. And the more you get lost in its bullshit quantifications, the worse you get at describing the experience of your immediate senses. True inquiry begins in acknowledged naïveté (Socrates: “I know that I know nothing”), and builds slowly toward wisdom. It doesn’t begin with wisdom from on-high, or Darwinist Revelation, and devolve back down to our experience. We have a term for that practice. Theology.

        “On what foundation” does my “world view stand?” On the only possible foundations there are: the dialectic of philosophical inquiry, natural law of reason, and revealed faith. You have little understanding of this dynamic of epistemology, and so you surmise my laughter at your pagan worship constitutes “refut[ing] the extant scientific literature on this subject.” I do not refute the science on this or any subject! I may refute its status as science, however, and in any event, experiment and a posteriori observation has its place. Science does not have the ability to determine the validity of its own scientific practices. That’s like saying that reading tea-leaves is valid … because the tea-leaves told me it’s valid.

        Science supplements knowledge, but it cannot lead knowledge. It builds or detracts from a case, but it cannot supply a final verdict; it is not supposed to be judge, not built to be judge, never wanted to be judge; science is the evidence-gathering detectives. Lately the physical sciences have been unable to restrain themselves from mistaking their impenetrable data-horde for philosophy. Their faith is one that tells them there are no permanent mysteries inaccessible to the human mind, so they make it all up as they go, lest they anger their papier-mâché god. That prejudice is the knowledge-retarding disease of our age.

        The endless cycle of idea and action,
        Endless invention, endless experiment,
        Brings knowledge of motion, but not of stillness;
        Knowledge of speech, but not of silence;
        Knowledge of words, and ignorance of the Word.
        All our knowledge brings us nearer to our ignorance,
        All our ignorance brings us nearer to death,
        But nearness to death no nearer to God.
        Where is the Life we have lost in living?
        Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge?
        Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?
        The cycles of Heaven in twenty centuries
        Bring us farther from God and nearer to the Dust.

        — T.S. Eliot

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  89. on February 11, 2012 at 12:30 pm None

    http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/pictures/3-men-in-wuhan-crawl-in-leashes-to-promote-womens-equality.html

    Wow. Just wow.

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  90. on February 11, 2012 at 12:54 pm kellio

    Never get a response from my emails or on forums so figured i’d try here.

    Here is text convo thus far with a very whimsical/slutty/shit testing fuck buddy:

    Me: U called.

    her 2 hours later: yes and you laughed and didn’t want to talk to me (all true, stupid fucking friend thought it prudent to mention my laughter to her)

    Me 4 hours later: no idea what ur talking about. got a new cell phone ( hadnt had one for 2 weeks)

    Her instantly: That’s cool. What’s your number?

    Her 1 hour later: When are you going to come back over? NAME said that you probably wouldn’t be over for a little while. You should get a job and then you can rent that room downstairs from us. NAME has his army weekend this weekend and I could really use someone here to watch NAME while I work. My grandma said she would, but she is 79 years old. I would only be at work a couple hours. Figured out my kindle fire was stolen, NAME is going to file a police report tomorrow so I am not sure when he will be home. I am drinking UV blue and lemonade. I need a drinking buddy.

    me: 1 hour later: is this private?

    her 20 mins: this is private.

    her 30 mins later: NAME can see lol (her husband……)

    me: 2 hours later: Jw. I was cybering with some girl, didnt want the entire world to see.

    I’ll coming but you have to tell me what time you’re leaving for work.

    her instantly: I have to leave around 10am
    so if you come, you should come tonight
    ..

    me instantly: K, will you be up at 11?

    Her 5 mins later: Maybe. On my second drink and getting sleepy oh so sleepy.

    Me 1 hour later: bleh im too tired.

    Her 1 hour later: Ok. Good night.

    Me next day:comin mon/tues. ask NAME if i can just put the tip in when i get there.
    ..

    Her 7 mins later while at work: NAME You’re sick. NAME moved out so no company all next week please

    ..

    End transmission.

    Some notes: I once asked Her while she was teasing me if i’d pay for sex if I could just put the tip in for some change. NAME is Her friend that’s been staying over and She loves when I tease/game her.

    How to proceed? I’m thinking of saying, ” I’ll come over when I damn well please” I’m coming over reguardless, I have shit to do in that town and i’m best friends with her husband. Or is that bad? Btw she is ovulating.

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  91. on February 11, 2012 at 1:09 pm King A

    Heartiste wrote: “Conservatives: freedom and prosperity mean a slackening of external behavioral motivators and the erosion of commonality and shared values and the means with which to argue for them.”

    Already baked into our cake, but thanks for the reminder. Some conservatives are tempted to forget this cornerstone of the political philosophy. So they go flirt with libertarianism until intellectual honesty brings them back — if they’re fortunate. As one of the fathers of modern conservatism Russell Kirk said about liberty obsessives, they are “chirping sectaries” and a “sour little remnant” who regard “the notion of personal freedom as the whole end of the civil social order, and indeed human existence.” What’s the difference between a libertarian and a conservative? The conservative acknowledges the limits of liberty as you claim to be educating us about above. The very thing you think we didn’t realize is the distinguishing characteristic of the conservative.

    “Maxim #1,000: Prosperity contains within it the seed of its own destruction.”

    We learned this fact of politics when we read Plato’s Republic. Ever since there have been hundreds of reiterations. It helps to be familiar with “the best that has been thought and said” (Arnold). The U.S. Constitution was designed to avoid and correct for the predictable excesses of success. Religion itself is a feature of civilization everywhere as a bulwark against this natural corruption, as the way to extract “the seed of [prosperity’s] own destruction.”

    “Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty” (Frank Herbert, of “Fear is the mindkiller” fame).

    A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

    From bondage to spiritual faith;
    From spiritual faith to great courage;
    From courage to liberty;
    From liberty to abundance;
    From abundance to complacency;
    From complacency to apathy;
    From apathy to dependence;
    From dependence back into bondage.

    (attributed to Alexander Fraser Tytler, 1748-1813)

    The latest book-length iteration of this ancient wisdom is Paul Rahe’s Soft Despotism, Democracy’s Drift.

    Prosperity does not by itself create our corruption. It is the misuses of prosperity that bring the dissolution. Not “money” per se, but “the love of money is the root of all evil.” If men cannot master themselves, they invite a master from the top. Liberty requires self-discipline. “Liberty must be limited in order to be possessed” (Burke). There can be no liberty without virtue, and no virtue without voluntary discipline (Benjamin Rush).

    Of course success and prosperity and liberty itself corrupts. We even have a word for it: decadence. This is why your libertinism is a non-starter. Hedonism doesn’t just contain a seed of its own destruction, it is the very cause of the destruction of liberty in every instance. By mistaking license for independence, libertinism devours the source of the prosperity that tolerated its behavior in the first place.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 4:45 pm Anon

      Salient points.

      But all of this should have been shouted and etched in stone a few decades ago. Now it’s too late. The dogs are unchained, pandora’s box is open and it’s party time.

      I’m with CH on this one.

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 5:07 pm Tyrone

      You misunderstand Hayek here. Libertariansim more than Conservatism, if practiced correctly would reinforce good behavior over bad behavior and lead to virtue because bad behavior would be punished by the market place, both economical and social. We have placed into the legal domain what used to be resolved through social convention. Most Libertarians just want to cut back on the myriad of make work social services jobs for women, who are paid to supervise the family and all the men they throw into jail for violating the sanctity of female notions of proper society and maybe get a hooker and burn a joint or two. You can have a conservative society within that framework that meets your needs King A. You could limit the sacrifice of freedom to some 1-2 year civil service obligation that allowed no exceptions to anyone healthy. That would throw the rich together with the poor and give the Gods of Diversity what they’ve always asked for- real human experience.

      More than anything, we need to stop penalizing those who would start a family in our legal system. We need to place the same emphasis on maintaining the family that we now place on destroying it. A simple change of message and much less state interference in our lives would go a long way to making all of us happy. We need to get the government out of education and replace it with charter schools and private schools to get the non-stop socialist propaganda out of education. More religion probably wouldn’t hurt either. We have a huge and bloated government and it’s folly to say we need it all. How many police forces does the nation need? Did anyone know that the Department of Education Inspector General has a swat team with all the heavy weapons, etc.? We don’t need that to have a well run society. We subsidize bad behavior, Bad behavior will fall off if it becomes as expensive as it would be without subsidy. Too much now is artificially expensive or illegal because some interest group or other deems it a threat, regardless of its true harm or benefit. Where does the rule of law end? Your philosophy also leads to bloated government and corruption due to the rules created that create market irregularities and opportunities to game the system. Not to mention, too much power once again, in the hands of a self appointed elite.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 4:28 pm Thor

        “Did anyone know that the Department of Education Inspector General has swat team with all the heavy weapons, etc”

        Yup. Scary this, more and more fedpower with more and more fire power.
        Having ONE federal agency (such as the FBI) carrying weapons
        around the country should be more than enough. But the whole
        frigging federal bureaucracy is getting armed units. Then we get
        Ruby Ridge (under Bush) and Waco (under Clinton and big mama
        AG Janet Reno famous for making up child molestation cases as
        Florida AG etc.)

        Thor

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 4:56 pm King A

        Tyrone, you’re being very literal to an idiosyncratic definition of libertarianism (and aren’t they all idiosyncratic?). My point was, there is no liberty without law, no freedom without restraint, no “wisdom of the marketplace” without a market, and no market without consistently enforced limits. The one-size-fits-all policy of Let The Market Decide is libertardian fantasy only imaginable because certain precarious factors necessary to the proper functioning of a market are presumed to be naturally occurring and cost free.

        Man will be controlled. If he is not controlled, he will burn flame out rather quickly in the Hobbesian state of nature, where life is not anything close to “prosperity” but rather is “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.” If he submits in social contract to The Leviathan, the leviathan is corrupted by ambition and turns tyrannical. If he submits to the control of his superior, he is either subject or slave.

        The only way out of this cul-de-sac is, as Tocqueville observed, individual self-control. A man polices himself, restrains himself. This kind of policing is simply not possible without proper civic development, a strong moral code, and a tradition of honor/shame.

        You may have heard this before:

        O beautiful for pilgrim feet
        Whose stern impassioned stress
        A thoroughfare of freedom beat
        Across the wilderness
        America, America,
        God mend thine every flaw,
        Confirm thy soul in self-control,
        Thy liberty in law.

        It is at the very heart of our success for a quarter-millennium, it is why civilization only sustainably has ever grown in the Anglosphere, and it is why the American Revolution survived through centuries of Civil War, World War, and depression, whereas the more literal liberté of the French Revolution was snuffed out in the cradle, leading to chaos, terror, subjugation, conquering, and lurches from monarchy to democracy ever since. What are they on, their Fifth Republic since we inaugurated ours?

        Libertarianism is absolutizing. Conservatism conserves the elements of civilization that allow for freedom, while libertarianism demands that even those indispensable prerequisites are subject to free manipulation. In a liberal democratic republic such as ours, the conservative is the true “liberal,” the true champion of liberty. Hayek understood this well, and modern libertards like to claim him for their cause without going anywhere nearly as deep into the consequences of their unbending ideologies.

        “Libertarianism more than Conservatism, if practiced correctly would reinforce good behavior over bad behavior and lead to virtue because bad behavior would be punished by the market place, both economical and social.”

        That might be true if libertarians were prescient enough not to subject the definition of “good behavior” and “bad behavior” to the very market forces preserved by a common understanding of those concepts. If we are free to do whatever we want, we are free to undermine the principles that undermine freedom.

        This website is an excellent example of this immature cake-and-eat-it-too philosophy. On the one hand Heartiste laments the destruction of his playground; on the other hand he insists on the “liberty” to destroy it. Inconsistent, untenable, contradictory. But you wouldn’t know it if you never acquire the instruments to drill down that deep. So the prattle goes on, contradicting itself from one post to the next, assuming nobody notices or cares that the author’s risible presentation makes him an unreliable pontificator in these matters.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 5:51 am Anonymous

      Non sequitur. There is no correlation between the fact that true democracy results in the have nots voting themselves the fruits of the haves’ labors, thus destroying society, and the natural law eternal freedom a boss might have to fuck his secretary and a professor his students, which is essential for keeping bosses and professors motivated to build and educate.

      Libertines and Liberals are not the same thing. The former, alphas, are being regulated more now, by the feminists, than ever before (meaning they have less power than ever before in history) and the latter are now stronger and more dangerous than ever before in history.

      You can’t compare them. Nice try though.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 5:28 pm King A

        Yeah…. I’mma go with Plato, Locke, Burke, and Tocqueville on this one rather than Freud, Darwin, Heartiste, and Anonymous. No hard feelings, chief.

        If “Libertines … [are] alphas,” then the definition has become so broad as to cease being useful. An alpha male is built to lead the pack, and that requires the tools to allow a certain amount of independence. In that way there is some overlap. But “libertinism” is defined negatively, as a lack of restraint. The qualities of the libertine do not allow for pack leadership; leadership requires at minimum the restraint that allows the possibility of followers.

        A self-absorbed and unrestrained individual is not a candidate for leadership, and it is not what women are attracted to (several-times-removed from nature). Women are attracted to the power that self-absorption and lack of restraint reliably indicate in a man, which is why you can fool them on a superficial level through the game method of alpha mimicry.

        More fundamentally, though, the woman is attracted to the power that attends leadership: the cohesion of a group of followers sustained by the force of a single will is not a mere “indicator” of power that may or may not be impersonated like, say, the Dark Triad traits. It is the incontrovertible proof of power.

        The conclusion, again, is industry trumps trickery, and reality trumps lies. I realize this audience doesn’t like to hear that truth because they, as inferiors are prone to do, believe superiority is all just manipulation of appearances. It would mean they would actually have to work on acquiring real power and not just the trappings of power to achieve the highest levels, to actually catch women in a permanent thrall rather than “game” them before hopping to the next fresh bunch of ingenues.

        I don’t blame you for your inability to make these fine distinctions. Your mimicry works for you and your limited ambitions — teasing gullible and ill-prepared co-eds, already half-undressed, into as many bangs as you can until she sees what kind of beater you’re driving. Have at the all-you-can-eat buffet till your buttons pop. But if you are going to start teaching the world what “alpha” and “libertine” means, cuz you say so, then seriously, brother, up your game. If even Heartiste is pissing in the wind on this one, you’re not even a bedwetter.

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  92. on February 11, 2012 at 1:20 pm kellio

    Got some more ideas for responding.

    Just not responding at all, disappearing for a month until she is ovulating again, than randomly showing up and telling her that I don’t like her hair like that and backturning.

    Or saying you’re not the boss of me! and showing up as planned. Her little nephew says this to her when she tries to discipline him.

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  93. on February 11, 2012 at 1:28 pm john

    Cheer up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vffqnYUyFVQ&feature=related

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  94. on February 11, 2012 at 1:30 pm peterike

    “You don’t understand the class structure of American society,” said Smetana, “or you would not ask such a question. In the United States, the working class are Democrats. The middle class are Republicans. The upper class are Communists…The Communist conspiracy is unlike any ever known before. In the past, conspiracy always meant secrecy, concealment. The peculiarity of Communism is that everybody really knows who these people are and what the conspiracy is and how it works. But everybody connives at it because nobody wants to believe his own eyes. It is something new under the sun. It is conspiracy in the open.”

    — from “Witness” by Whittaker Chambers

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    • on February 11, 2012 at 4:36 pm Tyrone

      I’ve been saying it for a long time as well. These are the Lords of Lies spoken of above. They have been around since the 30s, because communism would entrench them as an elite, a caste of nobility. SWPLs lick their boots in the hopes of being accepted and approved by these upper class people Chambers discusses above. I need to read that book. The Left never forgave Nixon for going after Alger Hiss and that is why we had Watergate. Obama has done far worse and the press never says a word.

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 4:10 pm uh

        ” These are the Lords of Lies spoken of above.”

        Communists, right? I mean they sit around talking dialectical materialism and the like? do they have membership cards and wear red boxer-briefs? I just want to be certain you believe these are people who self-identify as “Communists”, that that is not a euphemism, say, for a race of people who advocate a certain low standard for everyone not of their race, while maintaining a very high one for themselves.

        Communists then?

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 3:18 pm Tyrone

        I never said there isn’t a big overlap. But there are also lots of WASPs that play along with the Communist fantasy too. Otherwise, it would have never taken off. Many people in the US espouse Communist ideas and don’t think they are Communists at all. Do you wear Swastika underwear?

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 3:58 pm askjoe

        yeah, go to the spy museum for Wasps who love commies, hate their societies. Of course, people who go commie are usually in it because they think they’ll be in charge. Put it another way, in Animal Farm, I bet the pigs were a lot more on board with the revolution than any other animal. Now, why the gays love communism, that’s another issue.

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  95. on February 11, 2012 at 2:24 pm KenG

    An excellent, and profoundly depressing analysis. I would differ with some of the analysis (I think the alpha/beta classification system is somewhat simplistic, when applied to humans), but the overall conclusions seem robust to me.

    I’d argue that there are several kinds of societies forming, one might break into intelligence-competition systems, and physical-competition systems. Charles Murray’s book seems to suggest that there are two entirely separate social systems forming, one in which the intelligent self-select into a hierarchical system based on intelligence and productivity, and another in which the less-intelligent self-select into a hierarchical system based on welfare and warfare. Others have called this “Makers vs. Takers,” and the like.

    Short of a wrenching social transformation, I think we’re headed for either disintegration, or increasing separatism and conflict between the ‘intelligence competitors” and “violence competitors.” This is what we’re seeing already in Iraq and Afghanistan: they use suicide bombers and zealot-warriors, we increasingly use drones, robots, and smart-munitions guided from thousands of miles away in air-conditioned office buildings.

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  96. on February 11, 2012 at 3:13 pm not-an-hbder

    Libertarians: laissez faire means the cementing of intractable human hereditary differences into antagonistic classes and milieus.

    As I keep telling you, you know jack shit regarding economics. This statement is BULLSHIT. In fact, its just the opposite. Laissez Faire breaks down classes and creates a far more fluid society. You obviously have read nothing on economic history. How the hell can you speak with such apparent certainty when you are clearly ignorant on entire subjects of human thought?

    Liberals: nonjudgmental individualism means a collapse of social capital and a surrender of any moral or aesthetic authority.

    Again, this statement shows that you know NOTHING of philosophy or the history of moral thought especially over the last three centuries. You, like all Conservatives, are militantly anti-philosophical. That is because you are a materialist who is advocating political biologism. Somewhat scary after the history of the mid 20th century.

    If you knew anything about Post-Modern philosophy and the emergence of the Left, you would know that the “non-judgementalism” that you speak of is not inherent in “liberalism”. It is a by product of the skepticism of the left which is the result of certain trends of philosophic skepticism unleashed by the most influential philosophers of the last there centuries most notably Hume and Kant. It is this skepticism, this divorcing of “is” from “ought” that has destroyed morality. When the moderns rightly rejected religion and supernaturalism they ended up throwing out the baby with the bathwater; ie they rejected the existence of moral values along with supernaturalist metaphysics. This paved the way for post-modernism which paved the way for the Left which paved the way for feminism which paved the way for today’s woman.

    you are making the same arguments that Christian Conservatives make; you are doing the same shit Larry Auster does. You are trying to argue that egoism is destructive and that liberty is self-liquidating; so therefore human sexuality should be controlled by the state because individual liberty will inevitable lead to societal collapse. True Conservatives say this, Leftists say this (using economics) and you are arguing it using sex and hypergamy.

    Did you ever ask yourself this: Today we are living in a culture that allows *some* personal freedoms; ie it allows sexual liberation (but it does not allow legalized drugs or prostitution). But we are also living in a society that is a sem-socialist society with MASSIVE regulatory interference, MASSIVE inflationary destruction of the monetary unit, MASSIVE confiscatory rates of taxation, Public education systems which destroy children’s minds, etc, etc.. Did you ever ask yourself what the societal dynamics would look like if we packaged sexual liberty with economic liberty?

    No. You never do because you are a nihilistic collectivist fuck like pretty much all the other materialists on the Left and their Conservative soulmates.

    You think you are special, but you’re pedaling the same central planning, rule-from-above shit that the Leftists you say you abhor do. You’re nothing knew.

    And learn some economics will you. You are such a dumb fuck on that subject that I think such ignorance automatically classifies you as an honorary beta male.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 4:13 am Original JB

      I think the argument that he is a materialist is right on. “When you’re a hammer, all the world looks like a nail” and so on. We tend to approach reality based on our particular temperament and personality.

      I chat at forums where a lot of Millenials hang out. What you say is correct. The power of philosophy and ideas is not to be underestimated, prosperity aside. These kids’ minds’ have been corrupted and destroyed, as if by a virus. And these are bright kids – supposedly some of our best.

      I think, though, that economic liberty is unachievable without reconstituting morality in America. So how to do this without central planning? Perhaps the easiest path is shrinking the powers of the federal government by returning power back to the states and the citizenry. Taking away the left’s “one ring to rule them all” is a fine start.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 6:08 am Anonymous

      While I don’t share the animosity towards CH, this comment was one of the best because it exposes the greatest weakness of an otherwise brilliant CH that was evident in his first ever post in March or April 2007.

      The sexual revolution was run by alpha males, not feminists.

      [heartiste: actually, this blog has always maintained that the sexual revolution (at least version 2.0) was an alliance between women and alpha males.]

      It finally brought alpha male behavior into the open and overturned a centuries old system run by beta males that was not working, and hadn’t been working for centuries behind the scenes where alpha males were fathering the children of many of the church going betas. All the sexual revolution did was rip open the curtain of pretty lies, the kind of lies that Queen Victoria wanted to propagate to no real effect behind the scenes.

      Civilizations were built by men who were getting plenty of sex on the side that wasn’t being talked about and regulated.

      Sex is a motivator and, no, it’s no motivator to be shackled to a cow who hit the wall five years ago and was only attractive in the first five years of marriage. To counteract that, our forefathers had mistresses, at least the ones who were successful at building the civilization. They needed motivation and got it because feminists were not there, allied with weak church-going betas, to thwart them.

      Civilizations face destruction where the behavior of alphas is seriously regulated behind the scenes as well as officially.

      What alpha would want to run for president in the US now?

      Will alphas be removed from corporate boards now if feminists disapprove of their sex lives?

      What alpha will want to live in California now that sex with a 17 year old will result in his complete destruction if a jealous older woman tattle tales to the local government?

      What alpha could be married now in California?

      The American civilization is going to hell in a hand cart not because alphas are having sex like they always had while building official families, but because they are being PUNISHED for all of that now.

      That is the opposite of what too many are saying in these comment sections and CH is very confused on this point and has been since his very first post in 2007.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 8:34 pm xsplat

        ..meant to post this comment here..

        I agree that the charicature of betas as the productive class and alphas as the unproductive thug class is a stupi and cartoonish image, sold only to further the beta agenda.

        Alphas also comprise a fair portion of the productive class, and they do require sex with more than just one lifetime wife as motivation.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 12:34 pm King A

        Another Anonymous lurker wrote: “The sexual revolution was run by alpha males, not feminists.”

        Insofar as everything in history is run by alpha males, that’s true. But as a statement of causality, it’s pretty limited if not downright dumb.

        Do you have any evidence for this, or just conjecture? The sexual revolution was a confluence of many things, chief among them the logical end-point of the notion of female equality. Did I miss the historical conspiracy of alphas looking to elevate women’s political status? Alphas per se don’t benefit from chaos as much as looters and mimics do, just by sheer mob-fueled out-numbering.

        Do you mean to say that alphas could have continued “having sex like they always had while building official families” but sparked the sexual revolution so that they inadvertently might be “PUNISHED for all of that now”? Is yours a theory of alpha as masochist or is a general incoherence causing you to contradict yourself from paragraph to paragraph?

        All of this made-up alpha political theory is so much self-serving nonsense that pops at the first poke. When does an examination of the historical record get a chance?

        You take a mundane observation like, “Civilizations were built by men who were getting plenty of sex on the side that wasn’t being talked about and regulated” and elevate it to a metaphysic, and you think now you have the secret code to discern all of these shadowy forces behind the scenes controlling what really happened. It reads like a Dan Brown potboiler.

        Stop masturbating while you theorize. Alphas have a sexual nature to them as a consequence of their greater social role, not the other way around. Sex-obsessed teens and their gameboy apologists see the sex lives of great men and assume that their superiors are motivated by what motivates them.

        Yes, men go to war and build towers in part to impress women, but that is not the sufficient cause or even the major cause. They primarily attempt great tasks because great tasks are literally, intrinsically awesome. Like, “Check out what I did. And if you want to suck my dick about it, hey, I won’t stop you.” Not, “I just built the Eiffel Tower as a phallic monument to my desire for women.” Which approach is the alpha tone? Which is in beta-feminist mode?

        Alphas built civilization. They pushed their pack-authority over the masses. The sexual revolution was a frontal assault on their achievement — an achievement that your cartoon world (and not coincidentally, feminist theory) regards as the oppressive/repressive “curtain of pretty [Victorian] lies.” Thinking these were mere lies designed to keep women down and not the cartilage of civilization itself is why mob revolutionaries “rip[ped]” them away with such alacrity. This exposure opened the door to low-rent alpha impersonators like you; the real deal were doing just fine when women were officially subjugated.

        You don’t have the mind of an alpha male. You have the mind of a scavenger.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 8:35 am Anonymous

      The male driven sexual revolution probably happened as a latent reaction to the fact that married women, in the previous generation, used their newly won and unprecedented right to vote to break the social contract whereby alpha males were previously allowed to quietly have mistresses paid and unpaid, do the 15 year old governess, gamble, drink and otherwise discretely do what they wanted while having 6 children families without the threat of losing custody of the kids with the attendant ruinous income-oriented stealth alimony.

      Because of the expected results of female suffrage in 1918-20, thousands of years of a social contract was broken when prohibition caused a civil war of alphas vs betas, prostitution was banned (the first thing that happened to almost every US state that gave women the vote), age of consent was legislated and enforced and, worst of all by far: massive government mandated wealth transfers from men to hot women came about where, for instance, men were not paid back for the new Income Tax they paid with sex from the beneficiaries.

      In the 1930s, the Hayes Commission, run by women who could now vote, ended the freedom Hollywood had from its inception of portraying sexual matters frankly including showing that married people often slept in the same bed. So with such reactionary, anti-sexual initiatives happening in the generation after women got the right to vote, who could blame men for working with pro-sex feminists in the 1960s to have a counter revolution? The Hayes Commission was absurd. When the Brady Bunch featured Mr. and Mrs. Brady sleeping in the same bed, America was just going back to the way it was before old ladies got the right to vote.

      In any event, let’s look to 1913 or 1920 and not to 1968 as the day America started going downhill.

      CH agrees that it was disastrous to give women the right to vote and he probably understands that the 1913 introduction of the federal income tax was not a good thing for male sexual options (tax money from the builders of civilization ultimately lets young women delay getting a job and finding a husband among those builders).

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 6:21 pm Thor

        It has been a gradual decline, at least since Teddy Roosevelt,
        and on steroids with Wilson. And FDR, and a number
        of culprits, the team leader now being Barack Hussein
        Obama, all ours the Obasmotron.

        o Women got the vote. (Personally I am not at all against
        women voting, but I believe the right to vote should be
        limited in some other way, Starship Trooper style or
        no representation without (net) taxation. Makers vote,
        but not Takers.

        o Federal Income tax, as above.

        o A little-understood amendment at about the same time,
        senators being directly elected as opposed to appointed
        by state legislatures. The latter produced senators who
        were looking after states’ rights.

        Then a number of laws, most of them unconstitutional, but
        squeezed through because of the disastrous and endlessly
        expanded Supreme Court decision, (pushed through with
        FDR’s threat to increase the bench to 20 and pack it with
        his minions), Wickard vs Filburn.

        As Paul Begala said “stroke of pen, law of the land,
        kinda cool”. Nobody seems to remember
        “delagatus non posse delegare”, and Congress has been
        delegated by the people (or, specifically, by the
        Constitution) to make laws, but that should not
        be construed as giving them the right to further
        delegate to agencies.

        Thor

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 8:39 pm xsplat

        I’ve been voicing the counter-(feminist)-revolutionary, politically incorrect notion that men should have economic hand over their women forever here. It’s best for hand if the man works and the woman works for the man attending to his needs.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 9:05 am Anonymous

      What was bad about the “sexual revolution” was when girls openly bragged about having sex with dudes that hadn’t contributed to building civilization. That seriously broke the social contract.

      When the girls further bragged about getting abortions after doing that, the social contract was further broken.

      And, of course, the didn’t understand that the old rules still held that a woman’s SMV would fall the more other men knew how many sexual partners she’d been with.

      So one can’t blame the guys who have a huge problem with these reversible aspects of that particular “revolution”.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 12:08 pm Anonymous

        Sex and the City, Season One, Episode One in June 1998:

        Carrie meets Mr. Big on the sidewalk when her purse falls and a ton of condoms fall out.

        The deluded author of the book and screenplay thinks this facilitates love at first sight.

        Watershed moment.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 10:04 pm 1

        Wow, what? Glad I haven’t and probably won’t watch that garbage that they pass off as quality programming.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 4:07 pm uh

      not-an-hbder = believer in some ad hoc human cult

      “Laissez Faire breaks down classes and creates a far more fluid society. ”

      You’re right: it promotes horizontal transmission of other races (along with their adverse sociobiologies) and makes self-defense a crime against the “private property” of the interloper. Your “fluid” society is a neutered, promiscuous society where natives are completely unable to defend themselves.

      http://reasonradionetwork.com/20120201/the-stark-truth-interview-with-james-bowery-part-1

      We have ourselves an “Austrian”!

      “Somewhat scary after the history of the mid 20th century.”

      Scaaawwwwyyy.

      “If you knew anything about Post-Modern philosophy and the emergence of the Left, you would know that the “non-judgementalism” that you speak of is not inherent in “liberalism”.”

      Note well, gentlemen: this curious blindness to everything but free market ueber alles is the result of GBFM’s exhortations to read Mises and Rothbard.

      ” unleashed by the most influential philosophers of the last there centuries most notably Hume and Kant. ”

      Yes, sure, the Koenigsbergian sage and the Scot are destroying our society. Not Jewish intellectuals and lobbyists. Got it.

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    • on February 15, 2012 at 11:44 am King A

      not-an-hbder wrote: “You, like all Conservatives, are militantly anti-philosophical.”

      Come again, dickweed?

      I see a lot of assertion in your rant, heat but no light. You’ve squealed your disapproval of the ad-hoc dilettantism of Heartiste’s animating philosophy, you’ve thrown your bowl of cheerios at both Mommy and Daddy (A Pox on Both Your Vile Houses!), and you’ve burped up a lazy equivalence argument between leftists and conservatives.

      Okey dokey.

      We’ve got to get you out of the Lew Rockwell conventions, out of the Ron Paul R-Love-ution campaign, and introduce you to some people who know what they’re talking about. You want to make fun of Heartiste’s half-baked political maunderings? have at it, I sometimes do it myself. But any time you want some schooling in “philosophy or the history of moral thought,” just say my name, sweetheart.

      In the meantime, shut the fuck up about conservatives.

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  97. on February 11, 2012 at 4:02 pm not-an-hbder

    A conservative libertarian has a lot to grapple with here: freedom and prosperity are the real “culprits” here, and their interaction with natural genetic variation. Not the welfare state. Not the government. Not apathetic elites. Not globalism or “stagnant wages”. Any major reversals in these trends would seemingly require major, forceful social controls, because they are the consequences of a very pervasive kind of individualism and of freedom of thought.

    This guy’s a bigger idiot than you. do you seriously believe that the welfare state does not influence human behavior both economic and sexual? Do you seriously believe that economic interventions do not influence behavior? What do you think the consequence of the repeal of the minimum wage laws would be? Economic collapse or greater economic prosperity? Can you answer that one Mr. “freedom contains the seeds of its own destruction”?

    Tell me something else. Where is all this “freedom” you say is destroying the West? Huh asshat. Where exactly? Can you even answer that simple fucking question.

    Dude, I would love to see you in the field. I would bet big money you suck and that you are nothing but a keyboard jockey.

    You’re not even a third rate intellectual. Make a serious economic challenge to the inherent instability of laissez-faire not this pop-psychology bullshit. Moron.

    [heartiste: you sound tense. rough night?]

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 11:38 am Thor

      Minus the vitriol, the poster has some points.
      But a useful distinction can be made between
      freedom TO something, read the “right” to force
      others to support you, on one hand, and the
      freedom FROM something, i.e. freedom from
      coercion, making you do or refrain from doing
      something.

      We are experiencing an explosion of freedoms
      TO, including welfare (and corporate welfare,
      see Solyndra), much bigger than most advocates
      say. Include (for the US, most Western nations
      are similar, although the details and nomenclature
      varies) Aid to Families with Dependent Children
      (this is the official “welfare”), Food “stamps”,
      WIC (more free food), Earned Income Credit
      (negative income tax in many cases), Medicaid/Medical,
      Section 8 (government subsidized) housing and probably
      more handouts that I don’t even know about, I never
      collected any of this. While individual cases vary,
      the net impact is the creation of a welfare class,
      typically headed by single mothers. Generally, this
      kind of “freedom” is corrosive to the individual and
      to society.

      At the same time the Freedom FROM is radically
      downsized, starting with the massive future tax
      liabilities (i.e. government deficits), Homeland
      Security, an onslaught of new regulations by
      out-of-control (or at least providing some
      plausible deniability when needed) agencies
      as well as by the legistlature. (Stroke of a pen,
      law of the land, kinda cool dixit Paul Begala)

      Thor

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 6:26 pm Thor

      Liberals (so-called, in the US sense) have two sets of
      beliefs that seem incompatible on the face of it,
      without even having knowledge of human nature.

      Your visiting Martian would wonder about:

      1) Human nature is infinitely malleable, and we can produce the
      New Soviet Man if we are just giving (i.e. arrogating) enough power.

      2) Humans do not significantly respond to incentives, such
      as welfare in all its forms, including two-year unemployment
      benefits.

      Thor

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  98. on February 11, 2012 at 5:13 pm Individual#89634210

    Randroids are the sincerest of losers. Libertarians are the real nihilists, given they exist in only in their fantasy vacuum.

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  99. on February 11, 2012 at 5:48 pm Thor

    “As I keep telling you, you know jack shit regarding economics. This statement is BULLSHIT. In fact, its just the opposite. Laissez Faire breaks down classes and creates a far more fluid society.”

    Breaks down classes?
    Yes in the political sense.
    No – at least compared to the present – in an economic sense.
    Quite the opposite.
    But it would be a class structure based more
    on productivity and far less on being well connected politically,
    mainly because there would be far less politics to be connected to.

    Creates a far more fluid society?
    YES, highly likely. It would be a more FUN as well as a more
    productive society.

    Thor

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  100. on February 11, 2012 at 8:16 pm losangelesguy

    OK enough about this, time for me to ask some advice…
    There is a girl who has been pursuing me for some time. She’s quite pretty but for a number of reasons I didn’t want to give in (it wasn’t just “game,” I just happen to have little desire for her). This only made her want me more so finally she threw herself at me so much that I did give in and we made out. But she insists that before we fuck I should get tested. The reason is because she knows I’ve traveled in the third world and fucked prostitutes, so she insists on this. Now, I would do it for a girl who’s a virgin or something, but I know this girl has had one-night stands in the past and hasn’t asked other guys to get tested (her excuse is that she “knows” they didn’t do the kind of stuff I did in the past, which strikes me as bullshit). So I’m not really in the mood to do it for her, and even find the demand insulting. The question is would it be completely beta to agree to her demand that I get tested? I think the alpha way to proceed is just to dump her for even asking. On the other hand I don’t mind meeting and making out with her from time to time so maybe I’ll just continue that.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 1:25 pm Anonymous

      She’s more likely to give you gardnerella. Make sure she takes a piss test with you.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 8:49 pm xsplat

      I don’t understand your objection. You should routinely test yourself.

      I have a buddy who got heterosexual aids that is not responding well to any treatment, and know of cases of highly drug resistant pelvic inflamations that may have been gono or chlamydia, and we all know of warts and herpes.

      We’d all like to believe in heaven after death, and that aids is a gay disease, and that other STDs can easily be cured by antibiotics. We all like to believe in whatever keeps the fear away.

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  101. on February 11, 2012 at 8:40 pm MichaelC

    In other news, Whitney Houston is dead at the age of 48, cause of death currently “unknown”, which typically means drug OD.

    She had it all, gorgeous, talented, admired, wealthy.

    She spent her 20’s and 30’s basking in the admiration of millions of guys, went the Alpha route, hung out with thugs, didn’t learn.

    My suspicion is that she wound up at 48, realized she was getting old, wasn’t so pretty any more, the only action from an Alpha she was going to get was what she paid for, and just could not deal with it.

    [heartiste: yes, this is the best explanation of her subconscious state of mind. but you won’t hear this narrative by the shitlapping msm. whitney was a victim of her own choices as much as the drugs.]

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 12:56 pm Anonymous

      Subconsciously, maybe. But don’t forget that she was dating a 30 year old rapper, the same nigga who was fucking kim kardashian in her sextape.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 6:42 am Ridge

      Even she couldn’t escape inevitability.

      Every Woman indeed.

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  102. on February 11, 2012 at 9:20 pm Anonymous

    Lords of Lies… clearly a reference to the ‘chosen’ people. Nice work.

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  103. on February 11, 2012 at 9:47 pm Herr Pantyschniff

    Recently some fashion dude called a fat model fat. This apparently is not allowed and a comedian named Margaret Cho has ripped into him. It’s interesting reading her reply to him from the perspective of game.

    http://www.margaretcho.com/content/2012/02/09/shut-up-karl/

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 4:10 pm dontcare@hotmail.com

      Oh god that is just fucking hilarious. Entitled woman preaching to more entitled women about how bad they have it in all the most pro woman countries of the world.

      And she can’t manage to put the fork down long enough to type a coherent sentence.

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    • on February 14, 2012 at 6:51 pm Ben

      Langerfeld is a hero to me for publicly calling out that whale Adele. What a bad influence. And as if bitches needed another one.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 2:17 pm Thor

        Singers are often on the plump side. Mainly, for many types
        of singing (think opera) nobody cares what they look like
        (unilke the style used by Sinead).

        Secondly, many believe (rightly or wrongly) that the padding
        is helpful acoustically.

        Thor

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 4:06 pm carolyn

        ‘…calling out that whale Adele. ‘

        oh for chrisakes…

        adele is an accomplished singer at 23. does that count for nothing in your book since she can stand to lose weight?

        [heartiste: she is a fantastic singer and her songs do move me. but… she is unpleasant to look at. she has the money and free time and team of experts now. there’s no excuse for her to remain fat.]

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  104. on February 11, 2012 at 10:12 pm thwack

    Im going to rename this site “Chateau BITCH MOAN”.

    Its interesting to watch you crackers whine like little bitches all because you MIGHT hafta start being USEFUL and CONSTRUCTIVE instead of just fucking pale.

    Boo fucking hoo.

    Yall remind me of racists who wanna get in arguments with me over “what their ancesto the rs accomplished”.

    Who the fuck cares.

    Time waits for no one.

    Ya’ll just gonna hafta get off the fucking sofa, put down the bag of chips, and take your son OUTSIDE and SHOW HIM how to split wood, SHOW HIM how to tackle, SHOW HIM how to DO THINGS OF CONSTRUCTIVE VALUE.

    Instead of sitting around COASTING off his pale skin like it counts for something.

    This site is amazing. Im gonna start leading nigger tours over here so they can see this bitchfest for themselves.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 1:29 pm John Norman Howard

      Somewhere in some gated community a house is missing its lawn jockey.

      Boy, you’d be out of your depth in a parking lot puddle.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 3:46 pm Ulf Elfvin

      Troll trolling…

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 3:58 pm uh

      Good thing it’s the internet.

      That splitting ax also works on nigger skulls.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 5:12 pm It's all about race, not politics

      There’s only burden up here thwack. My ancestors gave me more burden. And I don’t expect you to care why would you but then again that’s the whole point.

      Bitchin? And? Check out Samuel L J’s latest racist rant. Imagine if that was Sean Penn and the races were reversed. Unimaginable, even for my pale skin with bone and innards………..

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 8:54 pm Ben

      Get back to shining my shoes.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 9:29 pm Nicole

      Thank you for saying this.

      Though they are a minority, the whiney contingent seems to think they have a point other than, “Pity me.”

      They remind me way too much of feminists with their entitlement complexes. If you tell them they might have to actually put some effort into their own survival, it’s like you insulted them.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 4:42 pm John Norman Howard

        Nobody’s insulted by having to work for their survival… nobody White, leastwise… and DUH.

        What we don’t like is you uppity niggers talking shit about YT on the very technology he provided for you… and in the comfort of a society where your big mouths don’t have immediate consequences.

        “Thank you for saying this”, indeed… mammy congratulates fellow Negro on his nigger babble… fail more.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 6:28 pm Nicole

        No, what you don’t like is a damned library.

        Thank you however, for being a case in point for what happens when someone’s sole source of information about their history is a high school text book.

        You bought the mythology that all White people in the U.S. were rich and free, and all Black people were slaves. You want to return to those days that simply did not exist.

        I owe you nothing.

        In case you haven’t noticed, the consequences of your being an idiot aren’t immediate either. You get to be historically illiterate and still have access to a computer. Someone who believed all Black people were subservient to all White people in the U.S. until 1970 wouldn’t get through a Nigerian high school.

        The whole world is not the U.S. and even in the U.S. you are simply nowhere near my league. Your level of intellectual curiosity is no higher than that of a peasant, so you’re rightfully a peasant. This is not my fault, and it is not my job to dumb myself or the discussion here down enough to make you feel unjustifiably superior.

        What might make you naturally superior in some small but important way is if you stopped reacting to the existence of intelligent, educated Black people like a girl who thinks she’s entitled to respect for simply existing. Your color, without a purpose in life, is of as much value as a feminist’s vagina. It will not stop your socioeconomic superiors from exploiting you because being at a peasant level of mentality, you were born and bred for exploitation.

        I am a warrior born from warriors. My family history is full of folks who stood up for themselves and took the road that people who are maybe not of the noble classes, but damned sure aren’t peasants do. Nobody in my family would dream of taking government handouts or allowing anyone in our family to get to the point of needing to. We view that as signing up for slavery.

        So uppity we may be, but we have the right to be. We’ve starved and we’ve saved and we’ve bled for it…and oh yes, we have bought land and homes to make sure that we keep it. That’s what people who aren’t naturally, and don’t want to be financially forever peasants do in a crisis: survive, thrive, and accumulate assets. We may not be representative of all Black people, but we are representative of our family, and that is enough.

        Back to natural superiority, were you less of a whiner, I might somewhere deep down shed a tear for the fact that your genes wouldn’t make it into our family. As a female, I might view you similarly to some others posting here who find my fat Black ass and anyone with one resembling it, utterly unattractive…that it is a shame since they would make strong sons.

        You though, are why we view (painfully generic) White American men as largely a wash. You are why we aren’t scrambling to fill the gap that your racially defecting and useless feminists are leaving. You are why the multikult succeeds.

        You are the insipid enemy.

        Crack open a book one day, and you’ll get the reference.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 11:43 pm John Norman Howard

        Welcome back my friends to the babble that never ends.

        You haven’t been paying attention, Shaka Clueless, if you think I or any other White Nationalist wants to return to the days of slavery.

        Indeed, every time a patriotard invokes the “Founding Fathers” and “Constitution” we find it cause for chagrin. Had our so-called wise founding fathers been half as smart as today’s Amurrikwans give them credit for, they would have outlawed slavery immediately and repatriated all of your ilk back to the jungles from whence your rival Negro tribes captured your sorry asses… to let you reap your own pathetic destinies without the benefits of White civilization.

        “Warrior” indeed… you’re an overfed, loud-mouthed Negress with delusions of grandeur and a lib arts degree from some third-rate college where you swallowed (hook, line, and sinker) all the pap that your twink professors fed you…

        Along with a lot of pizzas.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 12:11 pm Thor

        The reality back around 1780 was, if slavery had been
        written out as illegal, the Southern States would never
        have ratified.

        Accepting slavery was the price the founders paid
        for getting all the states to ratify, creating the US we know now,
        even if much expanded since then (and much rotted out
        by subsequent amendments after the 10th).

        And, the US and its residents are still paying this Danegeld,
        in the form of Affirmative Action, Civil rights act and the
        most demeaning (to all parties) interpretation about
        “Disparate Impact”. At least the latter needs to go, we
        are hoping the Supremes will kill or at least de-fang it.

        Thor

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 2:33 pm John Norman Howard

        Yeah, I realize that the Southern states might have balked… but the point is, for all the far-seeing wisdom attributed to said Founding Fathers, history shows us just how short-sighted they were in allowing the seeds of the Union’s own doom to be planted and grow right from the outset… rather than kowtowing to expediency, they had a chance at establishing a truly eternal (so far as possible in this world) foundation for the actual White (and yes, Christian) nation they thought they were creating.

        Just imagine an America without a Civil War… and then in the next century, without the untoward social problems of race.

        It hurts to even think of the lost opportunities.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 3:54 pm Nicole

        Didn’t I just get done telling you there were White slaves? Were there not an African in the country, your apparent ancestors would still have been peasants and slaves, just being worked to death at a faster rate.

        You can’t deal with reality, and there is seriously nothing I can do to raise your intelligence or perspective above the peasant level. I’m not a blank slatist. I view you as just as hopeless as a Black person crying about how the White man is holding them down while failing to behave as someone who does not wish to be held down.

        I will say though, that is is a shame to bring a knife to a gunfight.

        You may notice that I actually argue about these things with very few professed race realists. The reason why is that hostile as they may be, they are making sense. You on the other hand, are a pedestalizing tool who measures his love for his race (how ever loosely that term is used) by his hatred of others. You are the White knight of White women with nothing to offer but your supplicating worship that you dare to call White nationalism.

        As I’ve said before, if anyone needs to be here, it is you.

        You complain about the behavior of feminists out of one side of your neck, then go running back under their skirt to call what is happening in your country now, progress that I, a Black woman who is not a feminist, should be grateful for?

        You want me to be grateful for the misuse of technology and the social engineering that I’m watching from a safe distance, destroy both Black families and White families?

        Really?

        Figure out whether you’re a feminist or a man, and then get back to me about the race thing.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 5:38 pm Nicole

        John, had there not been a Civil war, and there were no African slaves in the U.S. then you would likely still be slaves in both the legal and actual sense. You might not have even had a revolution to overthrow your masters.

        Truth of the matter is that what you really resent is people of a different continental origin being your masters. The simple minded are happy to be slaves so long as their masters look like them. It triggers their desire for acceptance and gives them hope that they’ll be the Cinderella who someday meets a handsome prince…

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 6:41 pm Ben

        Fricken love it.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 4:02 pm John Norman Howard

        Nicole, none of what you say makes any sense in re alleged answers to my posts…

        Your pseudo-intellect displays a like steatopygia to your physicality… give up while you’re still behind… an untowardly large behind, at that.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 8:18 pm Nicole

        John, of course it wouldn’t make any sense to you. We may as well be from different planets.

        I will say though, that there is less difference between you and me than there is between you and anyone who owns a bank. Maybe you’ll get lucky and one of your descendants will breed up with a slumming CEO’s son in the men’s room of a club, and have a bastard with the brain power to figure that out.

        If you want that to happen though, you’ve got to stop thinking about my ass. Stay White so your Cinderella story can come true in ten generations or so.

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      • on February 16, 2012 at 12:36 am John Norman Howard

        Nicole writes: … you’ve got to stop thinking about my ass.

        Nice try, but you yourself first mentioned your (and I quote) “fat, black ass”…

        Besides, it’s tough NOT to notice it, seeing as how you interminably show it (intellectually speaking) in your posts.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 12:51 pm uh

        “No, what you don’t like is a damned library.”

        White people built those for you too.

        “Someone who believed all Black people were subservient to all White people in the U.S. until 1970 wouldn’t get through a Nigerian high school.”

        You were not aware, when you wrote this, that the national average of IQ in Nigeria is 69.

        You may or may not know of the telling correlation of intelligence and religiosity. Nigerians are big believers, Americans are not. This is why Americans achieve things, and Nigerians, well ….

        Communal violence has plagued the Obasanjo government since its inception. In May 1999 violence erupted in Kaduna State over the succession of an Emir resulting in more than 100 deaths. In November 1999, the army destroyed the town of Odi, Bayelsa State and killed scores of civilians in retaliation for the murder of 12 policemen by a local gang. In Kaduna in February–May 2000 over 1,000 people died in rioting over the introduction of criminal Shar’ia in the State. Hundreds of ethnic Hausa were killed in reprisal attacks in southeastern Nigeria. In September 2001, over 2,000 people were killed in inter-religious rioting in Jos. In October 2001, hundreds were killed and thousands displaced in communal violence that spread across the states of Benue, Taraba, and Nasarawa. On October 1, 2001 Obasanjo announced the formation of a National Security Commission to address the issue of communal violence. Obasanjo was reelected in 2003.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Nigeria

        In other words, after so many thousands died over religious disputes (a proxy for ethnic groups), the same government was “reelected”.

        Now there are quite a few dumb Americans, especially girls, and I have no doubt they would fail the standards of a Nigerian high school … but the problem is that they wouldn’t survive a Nigerian high school.

        Which is precisely what has happened to American high schools since desegregation, of course.

        But it couldn’t be that American education has been dumbed down to accommodate dumb useless muhdick grabbers. Nah. The founding stocks of this nation were too dumb to begin with. All this infrastructure, all the technology — that landed from the moon, or perhaps Lagos …

        “I am a warrior born from warriors. ”

        Umm, aren’t you a fat black woman? I can’t be bothered to look at your page again, but I am pretty certain that you are.

        Warriors … aren’t fat … and aren’t women.

        “So uppity we may be, but we have the right to be. ”

        Kaffir, your rights were delegated to you by white men.

        ” I might somewhere deep down shed a tear for the fact that your genes wouldn’t make it into our family. ”

        Kaffir, we have no desire to assimilate with you.

        “As a female, I might view you similarly to some others posting here who find my fat Black ass and anyone with one resembling it, utterly unattractive…that it is a shame since they would make strong sons.”

        Kaffir — that would make strong, utterly stupid sons, prone to violence. And very smelly.

        “You though, are why we view (painfully generic) White American men as largely a wash.”

        Nah. You don’t go for white men because you are black women, and like will always prefer like. Though men do go for exotic women, but not black women, cuz u too fuggin UGLY.

        “You are why the multikult succeeds.”

        LOL. THE WAY TO STOP THE MULTIKULT IS TO BED FAT BLACK WOMEN!! lozozozozozozlzlzlzozozlozlzzlzlzlzozozozozozozzllzlzzlzlzlzlzlzzz

        “Crack open a book one day, and you’ll get the reference.”

        You mean that book manufactured by white enterprise? Now that’s pulling yourself up by the boot-straps like your forebears! … I mean by the ankle irons … loozozozoz

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 8:55 pm Nicole

        Those of you not into meticulous evisceration may want to pass over this post.

        [quote]“No, what you don’t like is a damned library.”

        White people built those for you too.[/quote]

        No men of all colors built those for me. Books written by people of all colors were in them. Lately though, they’ve been filling up with feminist propaganda, and that is indeed written by mostly White people.

        What a glorious thing you’ve built…for me.

        [quote]“Someone who believed all Black people were subservient to all White people in the U.S. until 1970 wouldn’t get through a Nigerian high school.”

        You were not aware, when you wrote this, that the national average of IQ in Nigeria is 69.[/quote]

        …and yet, with an average IQ of 69, they have to read actual history books to graduate. What is your or John’s excuse?

        [quote]You may or may not know of the telling correlation of intelligence and religiosity. Nigerians are big believers, Americans are not. This is why Americans achieve things, and Nigerians, well ….[/quote]

        What would you know of the achievement of Africans? You don’t even know U.S. history.

        [quote](regurgitation of snippets from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Nigeria ) [/quote]

        Wow, you know how to copy and paste. Congratulations.

        [quote]In other words, after so many thousands died over religious disputes (a proxy for ethnic groups), the same government was “reelected”.[/quote]

        I get it. What you’re saying is that the feminist, atheist, soulless White way is more progressive and superior.

        I disagree.

        It is indeed somewhat more peaceful at the moment, but I assure you that will change as soon as people get hungry.

        The conflicts in Africa don’t happen because everybody’s so economically well off they decide to have wars for fun. This is simply what happens when people become dependent on currency and there is not enough to go around. It takes awhile for the cull to taper off.

        Think of how many Native Americans died so you could live comfortably and presume superiority since you people kinda won. You somehow expect Africans to dominate differently?

        Blood must be shed in order for an ethnic group to dominate. It’s just how it is. If their opponents just laid down and died and submitted, there wouldn’t be a war. Because they fight back, there is war.

        How are you people supposedly more intelligent, and missing that?

        [quote]Now there are quite a few dumb Americans, especially girls, and I have no doubt they would fail the standards of a Nigerian high school … but the problem is that they wouldn’t survive a Nigerian high school.

        Which is precisely what has happened to American high schools since desegregation, of course.

        But it couldn’t be that American education has been dumbed down to accommodate dumb useless muhdick grabbers. Nah. The founding stocks of this nation were too dumb to begin with. All this infrastructure, all the technology — that landed from the moon, or perhaps Lagos …[/quote]

        I’m no fan of desegregation either, but I assure you that if you met anyone who went to a Black school, you would understand that schools did not get dumbed down to accommodate Black students.

        [quote]“I am a warrior born from warriors. ”

        Umm, aren’t you a fat black woman? I can’t be bothered to look at your page again, but I am pretty certain that you are.

        Warriors … aren’t fat … and aren’t women.[/quote]

        Ah, so you live in that mythological world where people are born 40+ and did not exist until you saw them online…right…

        Are you getting the vast differences in our mentality, and why I am talking down to John?

        [quote]“So uppity we may be, but we have the right to be. ”

        Kaffir, your rights were delegated to you by white men.[/quote]

        Rights are an illusion. I learned this very early in life.

        I so wish right now that you understood that.

        You are breathing and think you’re free right now because someone more powerful than you finds it useful that you be so.

        The day that changes, you will see how many rights you have.

        [quote]” I might somewhere deep down shed a tear for the fact that your genes wouldn’t make it into our family. ”

        Kaffir, we have no desire to assimilate with you.[/quote]

        Nor I with you, but I could not choose my ancestors that you and the likes of John so gleefully shame with your vocal stupidity.

        So, like it or not, I have to maintain some interest in seeing some real progress because right now, a whole bunch of you are living on what is or at least was, some of my ancestors’ land, and I surely share similar genes to some of you. My belief system does not allow me to dismiss my ancestors, so here we are, having this awfully stupid argument because you don’t want to be reminded that you are a peasant and nothing has changed.

        [quote]“As a female, I might view you similarly to some others posting here who find my fat Black ass and anyone with one resembling it, utterly unattractive…that it is a shame since they would make strong sons.”

        Kaffir — that would make strong, utterly stupid sons, prone to violence. And very smelly.[/quote]

        …and likely have IQ’s above 120. I mean, since that is so important to you, I thought you should know.

        More importantly though, they would be properly educated to not beg governments to give them stuff they can get for themselves, and *never* be jealous or resentful of slaves.

        [quote]“You though, are why we view (painfully generic) White American men as largely a wash.”

        Nah. You don’t go for white men because you are black women, and like will always prefer like. Though men do go for exotic women, but not black women, cuz u too fuggin UGLY.[/quote]

        Yeah, yeah, we’re all dumb and ugly and yet some of us have more money and mates than you.

        Funny that.

        [quote]“You are why the multikult succeeds.”

        LOL. THE WAY TO STOP THE MULTIKULT IS TO BED FAT BLACK WOMEN!! lozozozozozozlzlzlzozozlozlzzlzlzlzozozozozozozzllzlzzlzlzlzlzlzzz[/quote]

        No, that is just your fantasy talking.

        What I said is that the way to stop the multikult is by not being so much a dumbass that you make other people living in a fantasy world look smarter than you.

        Hope that clears it up for you. If it doesn’t, then you’re going to graduate from naive peasant to naive illiterate peasant.

        [quote]“Crack open a book one day, and you’ll get the reference.”

        You mean that book manufactured by white enterprise? Now that’s pulling yourself up by the boot-straps like your forebears! … I mean by the ankle irons … loozozozoz [/quote]

        Well, this is what I mean. In your mythological history that never was, no White people wore leg irons.

        You are miseducated, or perhaps mentally ill. I don’t know which.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 11:28 pm Thor

        Too long. But Nicole at least generally writes coherently,
        clearly and politely, while many of her detractors seem to
        believe that pejorative names are arguments.

        That does not mean that I necessarily agree with
        Nicole, just that she writes like a human being,
        unlike some others.

        Thor

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      • on February 16, 2012 at 2:14 pm John Norman Howard

        Oh bullshit… pay attention if you would comment.

        Her posts are full of anti-White vitriol and personal insults… not to mention the usual nigger babble that pretty much has nothing to do with the salient points being made in the posts that she attempts to counter.

        Which is what gives rise to the aggravation that evinces itself in the racial epithets that have offended your sensibilities.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 3:39 pm Nicole

        So now I am to blame for your being a peasant, John?

        Well, I suppose I can take some responsibility for this. My ancestors may have owned some of yours and well, responsibility can only truly be taken by the responsible.

        I realize that the above is nonsense to you, but again, it’s in your genes.

        If you knew as much about me as you presume, you would understand that nothing I’ve said thusfar is anti White. It is anti stupidity. People should know their place and make the best of it. If they are not satisfied with where they are, vilifying other ethnicities for doing what any kind of other have done since there were mammals on Earth is pointless.

        Humans, as a species, suck. Your color of humans is screwed up in its way, and mine is screwed up in its way. There’s enough blood on everybody’s hands, enough barbarism, and enough greed and selfishness to go around.

        Only an idiot believes that a homogenizing is any escape from humanity. In your way, same as you have about history, you’ve drunk the multikult’s koolade about social science as well. You think making everyone literally the same and equal is going to solve your society’s ills. I understand that looking around and only seeing people who look like you may make you feel a little better in some ways, but I personally don’t care what color the cop beating me with a nightstick is.

        One day, when you actually succeed in marrying one of your failed Cinderellas, and you get into a fight, I hope you remember this argument in which you chose to feel insulted rather than be educated.

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 2:32 am John Norman Howard

        Nicole writes: My ancestors may have owned some of yours…

        Welcome to yet another episode of As The Bizarro-World Turns… where night is day, day is night, white is black, and black is white.

        Can’t stop talkin’ shit, can you, Hattie?

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 5:56 pm Nicole

        John, your wake up call is going to be epic.

        Do please try to stay here so you can post about it when it comes.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 2:36 pm nugganu

      5 minutes in an alley with a bull whip….just give me 5 minutes in an alley with a bull whip

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  105. on February 11, 2012 at 10:30 pm Mr Meaty

    Arithmetic is a cruel enemy to have working against you, and that’s what you’ve got with democracy. As somebody said, democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what they’ll have for dinner.

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  106. on February 11, 2012 at 10:41 pm James A Donald

    Many nations have declined before we did, showing much the same symptoms as we are showing, even though they were a lot less prosperous than Americans were in the 1870s, the time when America’s greatest days were yet to come, and a lot less prosperous than Americans were in the 1820s, the time when Americans greatest freedom was beginning.

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  107. on February 11, 2012 at 10:52 pm James A Donald

    Prosperity is not the problem.

    Many great nations have declined before we did, showing much the same symptoms as we are showing, and none of them were as prosperous as eighteenth century America.

    I suggest JD Unwin’s explanation: Patriarchy creates tight knit extended families, and links families through marriage, marriage in patriarchy being between families rather than purely between a man and a woman. The resulting society is able to create public goods, good government being one such public good. Instead of government creating the public good of the road serving your homestead, you contribute to getting the road built, because otherwise your father, your father in law, your brothers, and your brothers in law would disapprove of you.

    Women get liberated, marriage and the family break down, society becomes atomized, a sea of isolated individuals. Becoming incapable of creating public goods, society looks to good government to create them – but who will create the public good of good government?

    Democracy becomes an advance auction of stolen goods, buggerizing the economy. Eventually the army finds that it is at the back of the line behind various special interest groups sucking at the teat of the state. The army collapses, or goes into politics, or both.

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 11:46 am Redleg

      Ennnn … much as I’m no raging feminist, I’m not exactly jonesing for the ol’ patriarchy-family-marriage setup. It can have some nasty offshoots, such as the child marriage of the Pashtun regions of Pakistan, the honor killings, etc.

      Maybe thats an outgrowth of Islam, alone. I’m not qualified to say.

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  108. on February 11, 2012 at 11:37 pm Spiralina

    Yes, the individual imperative vs. the collective unconscious, locked in an eternal dialectic struggle. The pendulum swings to and fro, the wheel turns, ad infinitum ad nauseum.

    Yet there is an escape.

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  109. on February 11, 2012 at 11:41 pm Heywood Jablome

    Someone’s been reading your stuff, Heartiste.

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  110. on February 12, 2012 at 12:06 am Ulf Elfvin

    ” Laissez Faire breaks down classes and creates a far more fluid society. ”

    I agree. That is precisely why Laissez-faire is hated by both the left and the right.

    They don’t want a society where the people can rise trough their own hard work and where the old elites can’t count on remaining so. They want to be able to force you to do what they want you to do.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 1:01 pm Thor

      Sure. The top end of the ruling classes, in any system, are NOT interested in any major changes. Indeed, why should they be?

      One of the most thuroughgoing examples of this is China.
      Around 1400, they were most likely the most advanced country
      on earth, by many measures. The distance to Europe made the
      comparison hard to make, however.

      The ruling elite saw Chinese ships sailing as far as East Africa.
      They could possibly have become the rulers of the world in
      another century or two. BUT, the ruling classes realized that
      foreign influence, and/or potentially disruptive technologies,
      might be, well, disruptive. And, horrors, there might be
      realignments in the structure of society, some lowly merchants
      and engineers, not Mandarins, getting to the top. No, we
      can’t have that.

      So they banned almost all foreign trade, put a tight lid on
      technological innovation, and more or less froze the country
      in amber for over 400 years. Make no mistake, these policies
      WORKED, at least for those who designed it and most of their
      descendants. But the bill came in, long overdue.

      Problem 1: China was now outclassed by the industrializing
      countries in Western Europe and increasingly North America.
      Embarasing. They tried to wave off trade with Britain saying
      “China has everything it could ever want”. Translation,
      “We the ruling elite have everything we want, including
      plenty of servants. And if we want some Western-style
      material object, we can put 100 peons to make it”.
      This was at least approximately true.

      Problem 2. The peons got restless, but more importantly at first,
      the rising ambitions of the middle class (or, actually, more like
      “wanna-be middle class”), staged the revoultion of 1911.
      And a generation or so later, yet another revolution,
      producing the largest loss of life (in actual numbers, not
      percentage) in history, before or since to date.

      (It is interesting to compare the Sun Yat Sen / Mao
      pair with the Kerensky / Lenin pair, the main difference
      being the time lag, about 40 years vs. about 7 months.)

      Thor

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 6:58 pm attractionreaction

      Capitalism and the Free Market are inherently in conflict.

      The Capitalists erect barriers to entry to prevent entrepeneurs – people who see a better way of doing things – from coming in from out of nowhere and disrupting the (often massive) profits of the established players. (The Capitalists erection of barriers to entry does NOT require the government.)

      So, keeping the free market free requires constant government intervention, to prevent the Capitalists from closing the market.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 2:27 pm Paul

        Economic freedom is capitalism. Your self-refuting self-contradictions are symptoms of insanity. Seek help.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 6:31 pm Thor

        You are confusing Capitalism with Crony Capitalism, which
        works only with the involvement by governments.

        You could argue that democracy through elected government
        is sometimes in conflict, and you would be right.

        Thor

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 8:58 pm xsplat

        You make a good point, however in explaining it your categories get in the way.

        Capitalism leads to monopolies, and only a government can break monopolies. However government also leads to monopolies.

        Trade and power of any kind leads to corruption and monopoly.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 10:32 pm Thor

        Capitalism by itself only rarely lead to monopolies,
        and when they do, it is a monopoly that constantly
        monitors itself to do the very best for the customer,
        lest some upstart pop up.

        Governments are often recruited by large corporations,
        and groups of even very small businesses, to erect
        barriers to entry. Even people braiding hair are
        plagued by state governments insisting they need
        a hard-to-obtain cosmetology license. Etc.

        Thor

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 11:57 pm xsplat

        Microsoft. International oil cartels. Rockefellor. Power consolidates. There is no system that prevents this, because any system is a system of power.

        Socialism, communism, facism, capitalism, corporatism. In any system power will consolidate.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 5:56 am Nicole

        Truth.

        So regardless of anyone’s wishful thinking or pretty ideals, the game is always what it has been, and that is to find a way to be the top dog in whatever system, or profit under its radar.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 8:25 pm xsplat

        Top dog? Not always the preferred position. Puppet master has many of the same perks with less risk.

        And being a commisar of a small socialist group fighting the power also has its perks. Union leaders for instance do well.

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  111. on February 12, 2012 at 12:09 am Anonymous

    I think that chateau would like The Fable of The Bee’s. I think the problem is democracy and its hatred of aristocratic values and its inability to establish a base of power other than the general will. There will be a strong demand for anyone who can restore sexual law and order in the near future – whether it be sharia, sspx or maybe the patriclans of afghanistan/the former yugoslavia….

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 3:57 pm uh

      Yep. Vote Taliban 2012.

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  112. on February 12, 2012 at 3:54 am Sheldon Walker

    Survial > Reproduction..

    The only way you can get women to not go for alpha’s is to threaten their survival which is of higher priority than reproduction.

    This is why certain tactics and mechanisms have been put in place to control the female sex drive.

    Shaming and all other techniques are employed to make a woman think her survival is threatened if she chooses to mate with someone who won’t be approved by the group she identifies with or desires to be a part of.

    That is the only way you can get women to reproduce with betas. To make betas look like the only ticket to survival.

    However, when a high level of comfort is achieved and survival is no longer an issue then the mechanisms put in place to drive women towards betas starts to fall apart. At this point the biological imperative begins to override the social one because.

    A. Her survival is no longer dependent on the support of a beta male she can simply marry one take half his money then go find an alpha

    B. A level of comfort has been achieved so it is no longer seen as an indicator of fitness, honest fitness signals, become more important than societal adornments. Extravagance becomes less of a motivator than sexy son traits.

    Which is why you have betas screaming from the hilltops that they’ve followed all the rules society has laid out for them and aren’t getting the pussy. Their prize for being good cogs in the wheel. They feel cheated that a guy who doesn’t follow the rules can get pussy, he doesn’t deserve it the way they do, yet he gets it anyway.

    That’s what it all boils down to, game and everything people attempt to emulate is inherent in some people naturally.

    SoCons complaining about women fucking thugs are only complaining because women aren’t fucking them.

    If thugs and other undesirables were only fucking women they didn’t want. Complaint wouldn’t be necessary.

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  113. on February 12, 2012 at 4:05 am Sheldon Walker

    Maxim #59: High IQ is no inoculation against beta delusion. If anything, high IQ obstructs clear thinking about women’s nature.

    Also our author here also said it himself. Best does not equal brightest.

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  114. on February 12, 2012 at 9:17 am Stingray

    OT, but I thought you all would like this:

    http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2012/02/12/

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 4:20 pm L

      That comic is fucking amazing.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 4:30 pm askjoe

        Well, the art is better than Mallord Fillmore, I tell you what! boobs! Not bad, 2 conservative comic strips.

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  115. on February 12, 2012 at 11:13 am beta_plus

    Democracy (which is not freedom), particularly allowing women to vote, is another big problem. The one piece of leverage betas have, the wealth they create over their life times, is stripped by them from women voting overwhelmingly to take it.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 4:08 pm Mr Meaty

      Democracy is the big problem. It means that if A, B and C wish to rob D, they are right in doing so merely because there are more of them than of him. It’s the instinct of the bandit-pack translated into law.

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  116. on February 12, 2012 at 11:28 am Anonymous

    Mr. Heartiste, you would be very interested in this gentleman’s work. His etiology of the alpha is slightly different, but his identification of the alpha role is similar to many ideas opined here. The first youtube video is of direct relevance, and the others offer etiologies of single motherhood and dual-income families from the perspective of a property rights anarcho-capitalist. (philosophically, you and this , gentleman may well be at a philosophical crossroads as it pertains to the role of the state, but the two of you seem to share similar views as it pertains to the economics of recent gender roles).

    http://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot?ob=4#p/u/24/uIruXQws97g

    http://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot?ob=4#p/u/23/fNx2SLJVwy8

    http://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot?ob=4#p/u/21/n51kdAFPN7U

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 2:36 pm Thor

      Great links, thanks.

      Thor

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      • on February 12, 2012 at 9:21 pm traditional girl

        “To separate children from their mothers is the essence of the state […] One of the great tragedies of radical feminism is that it has resulted in the worst possible bargain for women […] The best way to fight the power of the state […] is to stay home and love the living heck out of your kids. That is how we become free.”

        Amazing videos. Thank you.

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  117. on February 12, 2012 at 11:47 am Emma the Emo

    Kind of off-topic, but there is something I really need to know. Why are men here so focused on submissive women? Is that something you’re most attracted to, or is it just the better option compared to domineering bitches you’ve met? Would a happy medium be less of a turn-on than a submissive woman, or is it better?

    [heartiste: see ‘Leap Year’ for an idea of where the line from erotically submissive to crazily self-annihilating occurs for most men.]

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  118. on February 12, 2012 at 1:14 pm Anonymous

    http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/plzx9/the_girl_ive_been_dating_with_took_a_random_guy/

    Guy pays for 8-9 dates with a girl but doesnt have sex with her, she sleeps with a guy she met at a bar.

    Take note of the comments, a lot of them are on the girls side.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 9:45 pm Laconophile

      This comment really tickled me:
      http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/plzx9/the_girl_ive_been_dating_with_took_a_random_guy/c3qfsv0

      “So you’ve been letting her know that you’re interested, that you’re sensible, that you’re emotional, that you’re civilized, and she likes that. She’s hesitant, because she’s heard about guys like you, she’s dreamed about guys like you, but she’s never dated anyone like that, and she’s not sure how things happen – going slow seems a safe bet, because that means that there’s lot of time for her to figure out what to do, but she still doesn’t know.

      So she goes out dancing, some random dude comes on to her, and she’s horny – she’s been horny for a while now, because she really likes you, and she wants you – and so she does what comes natural, because she’s not afraid of losing this random dude, but there’s another part to it. Unconsciously she wants you to take control of events from here on out – either take her, and make her yours, or leave – she’s hurting because she is completely clueless about what is going to happen next, now that she’s involved with a nice guy.”

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 3:43 pm P Ray

        My advice:
        She wants you only when all her other options have rejected her.
        You got off lucky, dude.
        Imagine, you could have spent half your earnings hearing her say that setting her up for life was oppression.

        “When a man steals your woman, there’s no better revenge than to let him have her”.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 9:48 pm xsplat

      I’ve been that random guy before. Fingering her at the club 15 minutes after meeting her, while the chump she was dating for two weeks never got a kiss. She moved in with me that night too.

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  119. on February 12, 2012 at 2:38 pm Epoche*

    The elite are coming down quickly


    the whole world is fucked!

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  120. on February 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm Charlesz Martel

    Thought you’d find this interesting. The duality of the situation is indeed the problem.

    http://www.fredoneverything.net/Liddy.shtml

    I formulated a theory, years ago, about the ideal way to live, society-wise. Basically, the idea is to come from a “peaking” society, or one near the top of its’ achievement curve, and then go live in a still-ascending society. Obviously, luck is the major determinant of which society you come from. Due to racial realities, changing cultures and geography, it is not that simple. Certain races, the Whites and the Chinese, have more choices here. For example, a White American could move to England, Australia, or New Zealand and adopt a new homeland a lot easier than he could move to China, where he will always be a foreigner. Likewise, a Chinese could move to Singapore or Indonesia or Hong Kong. Anyway-here’s the way the theory goes:

    If you come from a rich, peaking society, your currency is strong (the fiction that a nation can devalue its’ way to prosperity, (which we are now realizing is tommy-rot- was, incredibly, quite a popular one in the 1960’s. Hard to believe for anyone who wasn’t there at the time and interested in foreign exchange. How the intellectualoids came up with that one is beyond me. When a country is strong, its’ currency is too. When England ruled, the pound ruled. When Spain ruled, the peso ruled. When the U.S. ruled- but you get the point. Based on that nonsense, Zimbabwe should be a rich country. Oh, wait…)

    So you move to a country with a weak currency, but a strong culture, with traditions that the country wishes to maintain. This gives you, basically, the ability to be dissolute, in a country where everybody else is still working hard- the baker gets up at 4:00 AM to fire up his ovens for your fresh croissants, not made from frozen bread. The police are still honest, the kids are well groomed, the lights work, etc. The society functions, and its’ people work-and doesn’t expect you, as a foreigner, to be a full part of it, so you are not judged by the same standard. Want to live with several young women at a time? This isn’t a big deal, as long as they’re not local women, for the most part. (There are exceptions). Read about how foreigners lived in Ibiza, Spain, in the 50’s and 60’s. It was illegal to wear a bikini in Spain at that time (no joke) but Ibiza was legendary for orgies and drugs. As long as it was foreigners doing it, they gave them lots of leeway. Just don’t push it too far with the local girls. Find a Northern European who wanted a good time her friends back home wouldn’t hear about. The world is full of young, hot, foreign au-pairs.

    Sort of like how America used to be (in regards to strong traditions- not sexual libertinism) , but is rapidly moving away from. Imagine how great this country would have been for an Englishman, say, back in the 1880’s. His currency and military ruled the world, but things in the U.S. were cheap, with enormous opportunities. Or the American expatriates who moved to Europe after the First World War. Or moving to Australia in the 1960’s- (N.B. a common phrase among people discussing Australia at that time was “They know how to take care of the blacks.” And they didn’t mean welfare. Another fact down the memory hole.

    But now, due to multiculturalism/mass immigration, this whole concept is becoming very hard to do. Most people who look to international relocation, a-la the folks who read International Living (basically a real estate hype, pump and dump shill newsletter now -used to be worth something 35 years ago), are looking for a tolerable, CHEAP, third world bolthole. Personally, living more modestly among foreign whites is much more my style. Once you leave the U.S. and it’s media machine that tells you constantly to be miserable because you don’t have the latest.greatest whatever, life becomes much nicer. And if you choose a country that still has Western values that are still largely dominant, you can live out your life in tranquility.

    Your grandchildren, and perhaps your children, of course, are totally screwed.

    Sic Transit Glorea Munde.

    “So Passes the Glory of the World.”

    P.S.- George Gilder, I believe, once wrote an article about what it would be like to live in a rural Thai village if the world was destroyed by nuclear war. He thought it’d be rather nice- he lived in one for a couple years, if I recall correctly. Basically, an extreme version of what I’m trying to say here.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 6:48 pm Ridge

      Agreed on all points (and in fact, this is what I want to do with my life) except the police being honest.

      A country’s development only determines how overt the police corruption is.

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  121. on February 12, 2012 at 4:18 pm uh

    OT, but valuable:

    WRT the post on holding a cunt’s drink.

    The other night at a bar (Ventura, CA), there were two ditzy drunken twats in front of me in line to use the commode. They both carried drinks and long-stem flowers, and drunk as they were, couldn’t decide how they would manipulate the door handle as it was nearly their turn. Just as the person before us exited, the cuter one briefly gestured in my direction with her glass, before registering my icy demeanor and diverting to her friend with the same gesture, who neither offered or indicated she would hold the glass. This was maybe three seconds.

    They went in together, and on their way out, I gave the cuter one a big five-fingered pinch on her tush. She looked shocked but in that tingly way, you know.

    Turns out she had a boyfriend waiting outside who lamely challenged me twenty minutes later.

    “I HEARD U PINCHED MY GIRL’S ASS.”

    “No.”

    “THAT’S WHAT SHE FUCKING TOLD ME.”

    “Yea? Well guess what asshole, I’m gay.”

    “WHA — …. MOTHERUCKER. WHAT … AH FUCK IT, LET’S GO.”

    Moral of story: Reflexively dodged cunt looking for human cup-holder.

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  122. on February 12, 2012 at 4:56 pm john d

    This blog is really starting to turn into shit.

    who gives a fuck if women want the alpha guy? The only losers who care about that are the ones who aren’t alpha.

    Here’s the real truth.

    Any losers crying on here about how women are turning into tramps, or entitled brats don’t get it. Who fucking cares?!

    The point is to fuck women, not to marry them and turn into a fat piece of crap spending his entire day at the office so his woman buys $2000 of shit at pottery barn on a whim.

    This blog needs to get back to its roots, which is game, not this new age men’s activist fighting the sad world shit.

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    • on February 12, 2012 at 5:02 pm john d

      and for reference, I just got back from the gym, where thanks to not spending all my time crying on the internet about the state of affairs, I can now do 30 pullups, deadlift 300lbs, bench 190lbs, and squat 250lbs for reps; on top of starting my new job where I’m makin $75k+ starting at 27 years old.

      go the fuck outside and achieve something, otherwise, the men here are no better than the bitchy feminists.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 1:13 pm John Norman Howard

        Try not to hurt your shoulder, patting yourself on the back like that… it’ll upend your exercise routine.

        Also, you forgot to mention another of your stellar achievements…

        In addition to all the aforementioned, you also found the time to come to this forum and cry about the criers.

        Can you say ‘ironic’? Sure… I knew you could.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 2:45 pm Dan Fletcher

      It matters when uncontrolled female urges lead to societal collapse, numbnuts.

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    • on February 14, 2012 at 9:20 am Lara

      “The only losers who care about that are the ones who aren’t alpha.”

      Most men are not alpha, by definition. The guys on here, who are upset about rampant hypergamy, are probably more realistic about their SMV than you are.

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  123. on February 12, 2012 at 6:34 pm thwack

    “theres nothing worse than a woman who thinks you won’t hit her” — Chris Rock

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 12:59 pm uh

      Translation: Thwack the nigger wants to hit white women.

      Biiiiig surprise there.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 5:19 pm John Norman Howard

        It’s that inimitable mentality which believes in a sort of bizarro-world sticks-n-stones nursery rhyme.. wherein the most heinous mayhem is justified by the smallest word that, whether real or imagined, insults one’s simian sensibilities.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm Nicole

        Oh dear. One must never hit the precious. No matter what it says or does it must be kept on the pedestal.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 1:29 pm uh

        I am all for hitting white women. And it seems we both understood, they need to be hit.

        I am against kaffirs hitting white women, or even talking about it.

        See how that works?

        But I wonder how you would react if I came on your blog and started leaving comments about hitting black bitches.

        Not a good feeling, huh?

        Now piss off, kaffir.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 9:16 pm Nicole

        If you had a legitimate reason to hit them…

        You really have no idea who you are writing to or about. I am positive that I am typing in English, and yet you don’t understand a word of what I am saying.

        Fascinating.

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  124. on February 12, 2012 at 6:56 pm attractionreaction

    So, you turned my comment from a couple weeks ago (freedom vs. truth) into a blog post. Excellent.

    Now, here’s the next step; create a new country right where this one is:
    One Country, One Government
    http://www.jeffreybrauer.blogspot.com/2012/01/one-country-one-government.html

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 6:45 pm Thor

      Meh!

      Thor

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  125. on February 12, 2012 at 7:37 pm Anonymous

    Indeed, prosperity and complacency threaten civilization. Thanks for the newsflash. Rome and Britain dealt with these issues in an identical manner: stocism and high standards among the elites. Is this the first wealthy civilization careening to decadence? Elites should be just that, moral exemplars and leaders. Without a cultural pushing stoicism/muscular Christianity and a no BS attitude among the upper classes (see circa 1900) etc.. you will perish where the elites lead the charge to doom. The phrase “classy” actually meant something back in the day.

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  126. on February 12, 2012 at 9:14 pm Rick Derris

    Great post and a great set of discussions!!!

    O/T: anybody ever read David “Spenger” Goldman’s “How Civilizations Die?” I’m about halfway through it and really like it. Was a big fan of his Asia Times articles when I had time to read.

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  127. on February 12, 2012 at 10:41 pm AISOR

    Best post in a good while. Does Malloy have a website, or just comments?

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  128. on February 13, 2012 at 12:21 am traditional girl

    Here are 25 tweets by women about Chris Brown: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/horrible-reactions-to-chris-brown-at-the-grammys

    Can you imagine this nonsense coming out of the mouth of a hard-working housewife who was deeply grateful every day that there was food on the table? Prosperity as the problem, indeed.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 1:18 pm John Norman Howard

      Lawdy, that was depressing… if it’s to be believed, there were an awful lot of decent-looking White girls posting that crap… many with boyfriends in the picture!

      This country is finished.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm Dan Fletcher

      True. It has been noted that girls in less prosperous/rougher countries are more attracted to beta provided characteristics.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 8:50 pm Fubsy

      Reminds me when Snoop Dog was telling Howard Stern about how, before he became famous, him and his bros would be fucking white bitches in their suburban homes while others in his crew would go thru the other rooms looting any valuables, lol…

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  129. on February 13, 2012 at 12:32 am losthistorian

    The so-called ‘sexy son hypothesis’ doesn’t really make sense though when you consider the fact that many of the fathers aren’t smart enough to tie their own shoes; besides, what precedent is there for such a mating strategy in Northwest European culture? Reproductive success has always at least partly hinged on intellectual ability. In the past, men who couldn’t support a family tended not to reproduce, and this led to selection for intelligence.

    How would such sons support themselves? Do the mothers seriously think that the sons are going to charm their way into a rich woman’s bank account?

    Maybe it could be elucidated a bit?

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 2:41 pm Dan Fletcher

      I’m not sure you really understand the sexy son hypothesis.

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      • on February 13, 2012 at 8:07 pm losthistorian

        Women mate with ‘sexy’ men, so that their sons will inherit the genes which create seductive, intriguing men who will in turn become reproductively successful by way of these qualities; is there more to it than this?

        If this is it, I just don’t really see it as a viable strategy. Perhaps on a strictly individual level, but not applied across a population (especially a population attempting to maintain a high level of culture).

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 3:47 pm P Ray

        It works as a viable strategy when the men who are not the fathers are carrying the can.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 6:59 pm Thor

      The sexual selection theory is a reasonable one,
      and presumably true when discussing peacocks’
      tails and the like.

      But the problem is, it has to MUCH explanatory power.
      Almost anything that the opposite sex is able to perceive
      can be explained by sexual selection. Without careful
      study, proceed with caution.

      However, if the going is good and the land is rich
      (even if by govt handouts), the evaluation machine
      can presumably re-tune itself for things other than
      providing sustenance – sustenance is no longer
      a problem. Alternatively, those who perceive society
      as falling apart will be attracted to thugs for protection.

      So, in answer to your question about bank accounts,
      the sons don’t need to. They can live off the dole
      or a minwage job, and be CHARMING to the next
      generation. Until civilization reasserts itself, but that
      might be generations away.

      Thor

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    • on February 15, 2012 at 3:45 am Thanatosis (@lmMirin)

      Intellect has a threshold and after a certain level it becomes an inconsequential factor. A level of intellect to low has negative manifestations but so does it’s opposite.

      Pacific rim descendants are less selective for sexy son traits due to the fact those are countries where it was more difficult to acquire sufficient calories without a male provider.

      Men who couldn’t support of a family could still reproduce as long as someone ass provided for the offspring without them knowing it was there’s. Or in the case of step parents even if they are fully aware that the child isn’t theirs.

      You’re only considering things from a monetary perspective where, Resources are the only selection factor. Women also want good genetics, more so than resources. Long term mating strategies aren’t the only effective mating strategies. Short term mating strategies are much more effective in the current marketplace

      ————-Why women always speak about a man with “Confidence”———

      It’s not really about collectivism/individualism. Even East Asians acculturated in the West report lower self-esteem. The purpose of self-inflation is that it is an effective psychological tool for men to obtain short term sexual partners.

      Aside from the Gini index you’d see a similar or stronger correlation between self-inflation and mating effort (i.e. self-reported sex partner number or sociosexuality).

      What’s obvious from behavior to anatomy right down to semen quality, is that Pacific rim populations are more selected for paternal investment traits and less selected for skirt chasing traits; over evolutionary time, females at higher latitudes have had a higher dependency on men for subsistence. So if you didn’t stick around to feed your child, your child didn’t get fed.

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  130. on February 13, 2012 at 1:28 am wizardcorpse

    everything just happens because they happen and human nature will still decide the outcome of the game and there is a cause to everything, certainly USA will suffer the same fate as Rome. when a counry becomes too powerful then people of power tend to leverage the game in their favor to maximize their winnings , its just human nature, and its not just the action of the people in power but also of the majority, and by nature the majority is almost always the idiotic compared to minority for many defense mechanisms are being used by the majority for the most have a herd mentality therefore they create their own cell, but for free thinkers like the readers of this Blog this is actually a leverage to us for we always defeat the majority in all aspects of life (like omegas working like ants to raise the economy while the alphas who can get their way without the need to do so just goes around enjoying society’s stupidity)
    and we all know that rewards are always tenfold when the minority defeats majority than the other way around like what happens if a crownd favorite gets thrashed in a boxing match guess how much those who bet on the challenger takes home, you get my point.

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  131. on February 13, 2012 at 1:30 am Mr. C

    The Caste System; a societal vesrion of “Know your role and shut your mouth.” and its been around for a very long time.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_India

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 5:08 pm Sidewinder

      Bingo! This is exactly what is happening, particularly in urban areas. Class is more starkly defined in cities, most notably by geography. Small, agricultural towns are declining. Those were really the last bastion of cross-class relationships.

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  132. on February 13, 2012 at 1:56 am lzzloloz

    If anyone wanted positive proof of the fact that women tend to like violent, unstable men (danger), twitter is all you need.

    Check this out:
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/horrible-reactions-to-chris-brown-at-the-grammys

    lzzloloz

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  133. on February 13, 2012 at 3:34 am Anonymous

    Not really off topic at all: Apparently male TSA agents in 2012 can’t even let a white non-terrorist MILFs sign a waiver when female agents aren’t around so the female passenger can hurry up and get a pat down from a male and get on the stupid plane:

    http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-no-female-tsa-agents-means-no-flight-for-denver-woman-20120209,0,7106350.story

    Look at what’s going on apart from the general distaste for the TSA patting down males, females and children who clearly don’t fit the terrorist profile. Once one accepts, however temporarily, that pat-downs are going to happen, if a woman is wiling to sign a waiver so she can get patted down by a male, why do we need males to be so squeamish about it to the point of refusal?

    Why do American men have to worry about sexual harassment lawsuits these days, even when women sign waivers saying the “harassment” is OK and they won’t sue?

    Now say once again that the USA is hedonistic and overly sexually free?

    I’m aware that social conservatives are especially distraught at the idea of male TSA agents feeling women up even when the women are OK with it and say “hurry up and do it”, but I’m sure the reality on the ground in 2012 is quite the opposite: the more sexually attractive a woman is, the less latitude a male TSA agent will have to even do a professional pat down on her.

    Compare this to other countries and try once again to state that the USA is overly sexually licentious and hedonistic and, thus, circling the drain because of it’s Soddom and Gemorrah ways.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 7:31 pm Thor

      When I was a salaryman, one of the prohibitions
      I found in the personnel handbook was “unwanted flirtation”

      My question to the Human Remains lady was “How do you know
      it is unwanted unless you try it?” I never got a good answer.

      But, it was pretty theoretical, messing with women where you
      work is generally a BAD idea, too many downsides.

      Thor

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  134. on February 13, 2012 at 3:59 am Anonymous

    This is pathetic: Rick Santorum is now denying that he wrote in 2005 that radical feminists are a problem in our society:

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/santorum-on-defensive-over-gender-remarks/

    In many ways it’s great that he won’t stand up as a “socially conservative MRA” because that’s a contradiction in terms. MRAs that want to regulate sex are as bad as anti-sex feminists, Santorum voted for VAWA in 2005 and Ron Paul is the only candidate who has and will vote against feminist laws.

    However, the media is now getting Santorum’s support in nailing down the idea that criticizing “radical feminism” is a political third rail. The fool is basically saying “If I wrote that about radical feminism, nobody should vote for me, but my wife, who slept with an alpha abortionist in her twenties while she obtained higher degrees until she settled for me in her thirties, was the one who wrote that chapter of my book”.

    Guys ought to be commenting under these Santorum vs Feminists stories that Santorum was correct in what he (or his wife) wrote but still far too much of a friend of feminism, especially the anti-sex kind.

    The MSM is now going to nail home the idea that criticizing feminism is a political third rail.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 8:30 pm xsplat

      I agree that the charicature of betas as the productive class and alphas as the unproductive thug class is a stupi and cartoonish image, sold only to further the beta agenda.

      Alphas also comprise a fair portion of the productive class, and they do require sex with more than just one lifetime wife as motivation.

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  135. on February 13, 2012 at 4:15 am Adam

    Women stating they would let Chris Brown beat them

    if he gives them his Alpha cock

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/horrible-reactions-to-chris-brown-at-the-
    grammys

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  136. on February 13, 2012 at 4:31 am Anonymous

    Christian women taking back “feminism”:

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-women-taking-back-feminism-55280/

    Meanwhile, do a Google search for the past 24 hours with the terms Whitney Houston and feminism. She could never be forgiven for appearing in “Waiting to Exhale”, one of the worst feminist films of all time.

    * Note the #1 worst feminist film ever was “I Spit on your Corpse” which was a horror film that copied 1979’s “I Spit on Your Grave” but had a woman killing different men in revenge for things like getting her drunk or asking if she’d like to have sex in order to get a Christmas bonus, etc.

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  137. on February 13, 2012 at 8:28 am Anonymous

    On Topic: SWPLs vs Common Sense

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/busted-the-politics-of-cleavage-and-a-glance-20120211-1sy7e.html

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  138. on February 13, 2012 at 8:29 am Redleg

    From the hot crucible we came and, pitted with rust and decay, into the hot crucible we go.

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  139. on February 13, 2012 at 8:36 am ladderff

    CH is still too hard on libertarians. Roosh too, actually. (Roosh seems to understand that government transfers enable all of the bullshit behavior he pillories on his site, but then he’ll write a post about the glories of Denmark’s welfare state, with some vague anti-corporate sentiments mixed in. You’re better than than, man!) Every society has to facilitate transfers in wealth from men to women and children, for two simple reasons: women aren’t as productive as men, and even if they were, child-bearing and -rearing are costly activities. The real choice in all this is whether these transfers will be mediated forcibly, through taxation, divorce, conscription, et cetera, or whether they’ll be mediated by something like marriage, in which each man gets to choose whom to share the fruits of his wealth. If men have a choice in all of this, they’ll insist on a good deal. The real question, as libertarians have been saying all along, is: freedom, or something else? Our elites are all on one side of this question, whether they’re called conservatives or liberals.

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  140. on February 13, 2012 at 11:50 am Anonymous

    “…there must be women even now who size themselves up realistically. and don’t shoot for the unattainable, or more accurately, the alpha who’ll use them but never settle for them.”

    Um, theoretically, yes. But, mostly…

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 8:08 pm Thor

      This reminds me. The WSJ last Saturday 2012-02-13
      published an analysis of what types of music triggers
      the brain. I don’t want their lawyer to sue me, so I copy
      only a part of the article. Fair use etc. Good stuff though, Root access
      privileges to the human brain?

      By MICHAELEEN DOUCLEFF
      [ADELEgraphic] The Wall Street Journal (illustration) Associated Press (photo); Universal Music Publishing (score)

      Adele slightly modulates her pitch at the end of some long notes, adding to the tension.

      On Sunday night, the British singer-songwriter Adele is expected to sweep the Grammys. Three of her six nominations are for her rollicking hit “Rolling in the Deep.” But it’s her ballad “Someone Like You” that has risen to near-iconic status recently, due in large part to its uncanny power to elicit tears and chills from listeners. The song is so famously sob-inducing that “Saturday Night Live” recently ran a skit in which a group of co-workers play the tune so they can all have a good cry together.

      Adele, the Grammy-winning singer-songwriter performed “Someone Like You” from her latest album “21” at WSJ Cafe

      What explains the magic of Adele’s song? Though personal experience and culture play into individual reactions, researchers have found that certain features of music are consistently associated with producing strong emotions in listeners. Combined with heartfelt lyrics and a powerhouse voice, these structures can send reward signals to our brains that rival any other pleasure.

      Twenty years ago, the British psychologist John Sloboda conducted a simple experiment. He asked music lovers to identify passages of songs that reliably set off a physical reaction, such as tears or goose bumps. Participants identified 20 tear-triggering passages, and when Dr. Sloboda analyzed their properties, a trend emerged: 18 contained a musical device called an “appoggiatura.”

      An appoggiatura is a type of ornamental note that clashes with the melody just enough to create a dissonant sound. ll.

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  141. on February 13, 2012 at 2:38 pm Firepower

    I know rooishy knows FULL WELL that the Chris Brown Grammy nigg-a-thon praise fest is all done by dumb white bitches.

    May they die slowly.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 5:34 pm John Norman Howard

      I’d like to see the true reaction of one those sluts when a shitskin thug actually punches them in the face… I suggest they put 911 on speed-dial.

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  142. on February 13, 2012 at 3:41 pm Sidewinder

    Alpha and beta characteristics need clear definitions. If alpha=thugs, then the theory of female hypergamy fails. Some chicks dig thug jerks. Sometimes even nice, successful middle class girls dig thugs. But those are outliers. The overwhelming trend is for assortative, class-based mate selection. The second most common trend is for girls to date up. They will take an average guy of a higher class over a better guy in their own, or lower, class. Doctors bat way out of their league if attraction were based on looks, thug appeal, or “cool”ness.

    But if alpha means confidence, success, dominant body language, decisiveness, social intelligence, good looks, strong physical health, material abundance…then hypergamy is correct, and chicks will dig overconfident jerks with these characteristics. But high quality girls do not choose real thugs on a regular basis. High quality girls usually self-select their social circles to such an extent that they would never even come in contact with true thugs. I would wager that a high percentage of college girls, 8s and up, have never conversed with a true thug in their lives. Now, amongst the frat boys they are in contact with, they are going to be drawn to the one with the edge, or some feature of notoriety (athlete, very wealthy, in a popular band, very good looking, very successful in school).

    Women like to talk, and to more or less openly boast to those within their social circles. They want something interesting they can brag about regarding the guy they are banging. Whether he’s got a great body, a unique story, a well-respected talent, a great job, or some other credential, the girl just needs something that shows the guy is somehow better than average.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 9:37 pm Max Coxwell

      Alpha = Gina Tingle

      Thuggery is one aspect of the Gina tingle.

      Some women, eg prison groupies, will give up everything for it…

      Other women do have other things that lead to the gina tingle, that don’t involve thuggery. Being with a thug can be scary for some women, but it is never viscerally unattractive the way a beta is.

      I used to do a lot of kickboxing.

      It was fairly common to see the fighter’s girlfriend get all over her man like an animal in heat after a guy beats his poor opponent to a bloody pulp in a match, And when it the same guy loses she barely glances at him with resentment.

      We even had a name for this phenomenon. ‘Beatdown pimping’

      There are other things like confidence, fearlessness, looks, status etc that can cause the gina tingle, but thuggery is an independent factor.

      This is not to say you should go out and become a thug. Just that reality is what it is.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 12:56 am Andrew

        The first time I was ever asked out by a girl was in high school after getting into a fight. I had no idea how to fight, but I took this kids best shot in the jaw and it didn’t faze me. So to this girl I was “tough.” Of course I had no game, and said no to an easy score just because she was pretty average.

        I was pretty big and athletic and I had learned how to fight I’m sure I could of scored some pretty high level pussy. Nothing get’s women hotter than men who kick ass, and nothing turns women off more than men getting their ass kicked. Of course given the wrong venue ass kicking can land you in jail or prison very easily.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 10:45 am Sidewinder

        I don’t disagree that male physicality and dominance is a huge turn on for girls. Boxing, kickboxing, MMA, wrestling, football, and a muscled physique make the gina tingle. But that isn’t being a thug. Maybe the term thug is thrown around too loosely around here. When I think thug, I think mainly young african american (w occasional accompanying wigger), high school dropout, wearing hat with tag or sticker still on it, skinny, holding his pants up with one hand, every other word out of his mouth either stupid or profane. These are the guys that break into cars and homes, mug people on the street, sell dope, get into stupid turf wars with other thugs. While they are stupid as rocks, they are not harmless and constitute the majority of the senseless shootings that occur regularly (thankfully few of them are good shots).

        Those “real” thugs do not attract quality women. Period. Yes, you can find some strange exceptions to the rule. And I get the prison-love phenomenon, but those girls are rarely attractive, and definitely not college or college educated young women, scoring 8 or up on the attractiveness scale. Thugs do not score quality pussy. If they do, its a hot girl from their social strata, often a stripper, drug user, or promiscuous slut.

        I guess the general point that I feel goes un-emphasized on here is that being successful at what you do is not beta. All things being equal, getting a college degree, professional degree/license, doing well in school or otherwise being intelligent and articulate is not beta. I will admit in my own life, being a beta both before and after law school, I pulled much better tail post-law school, even though I was still beta. None of those accomplishments are a “magic bullet” but to the extent that it is believed that purposefully avoiding education to be “tough” and blue collar is a successful mating strategy, it is flat out incorrect. Again, blue collar guys can do great, I’m not saying that they can’t, or that being educated is anything to build your personality around. But if you have two alphas side by side, equally masculine, and one is blue collar and the other is highly educated pulling in 6 figures, the universe of women available to the successful guy is significantly larger and of higher quality than the blue collar guy. Those are just facts. And a true “thug” isn’t anywhere near either of those two examples.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 11:42 am John Norman Howard

        Good points all around… well done.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 11:55 am xsplat

        Perfectly said.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 12:56 pm Lara

        Sidewinder,
        You answered your own question very well. I agree a thug wouldn’t be able to get quality women. A blue collar man who is making the same amount of money as a well educated man really wouldn’t be at a disadvantage. I think it is rare for a blue collar man to be as a successful white collar man, but if he is, and has other appealing qualities, women will like him.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 2:09 pm Thor

        I think we have a system of homogamy going here. (Means marrying someone like yourself, but does NOT mean same sex).

        A good tradesman who makes KUSD 80 per year and a white collar nerdling (assuming his looks and clothing are not screaming NERD) with the same income will probably attract roughly the same quality women, as far as looks.

        HOWEVER, women who grew up middle class will not typically want to marry the tradesman.

        Thor

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 4:07 pm Sidewinder

        I don’t disagree with you. The distinction I would point out is that social selection greatly affects the pool of available mates. A college girl could be attracted to a blue collar man, even if he made less than the men she typically associates with, but that’s just it: the dating market place is extremely limited by proximity. We don’t have enough time in the day to form friendships across every social class, or to evaluate every potential mate across the socio-economic spectrum. Our social networks are typically severly limited by school, work, church, neighbors, maybe a couple outside clubs for very outgoing people. There is only so much time in the day. The point is, we are often only exposed to available mates within our social circles, and our social circles are often with others of similar education, race, occupation, i.e. class. The rich white collar guy is going to have better options because the quality of the girls in his social groups are higher on average. There are always exceptions and cross-class relationships sometimes work out. But female hypergamy makes it rare. They don’t like to be perceived as dating down.

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 4:28 pm Anon

        “If they do, its a hot girl from their social strata, often a stripper, drug user, or promiscuous slut. ”

        Yeah, because yuppity college graduates are virginal ladies…
        All modern girls are promiscuous sluts. None of them worthy of commitment.

        Only looks matter now. Better get your thug on.

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      • on February 15, 2012 at 11:51 am Sidewinder

        No argument from me on that. The college girls just seem to be cleaner, fitter and hotter on average.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 10:41 pm xsplat

      Well said. People tend to stick within their social class, and women tend to aim for the alpha as defined by status, not as defined by thuggery.

      I blame jealousy from betas who are proud of their empathy based positive traits and look down upon slapping a girl down for the cartoonish concept of alpha=thug.

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    • on February 14, 2012 at 8:52 am Lara

      It all comes down to dominance and how he stacks up against other men. A thug in prison is going to have a hard time conveying dominance. This is why crime isn’t the best way to get girls. There are smarter ways to go about it.

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  143. on February 13, 2012 at 5:13 pm Samuel

    Just found this from a girl in my FB feed:

    “when will guys get it??? We are the QUEENs…yall just a bunch of worker ants, each of u has a specific job!”

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 5:35 pm John Norman Howard

      That queen needs crowned.

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    • on February 13, 2012 at 5:51 pm Harkat

      Heh.

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  144. on February 13, 2012 at 5:44 pm Mr. C

    Bettina Arndt (Australian sex therapist, journalist and clinical psychologist.), her article “The booby trap – Liberated women are confusing the hell out of men.” makes for some interesting reading.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/the-booby-trap-20120211-1syoi.html

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    • on February 14, 2012 at 3:52 pm P Ray

      I’m confused by her statement:
      “And there are angry men, the beta males who lack the looks, the trappings of success to tick these women’s boxes. They know the goodies on display are not for them. These are the men most likely to behave badly, blatantly leering, grabbing and sneering. For them, the whole thing is a tease. They know it and resent it.”

      “These are the men most likely to behave badly, blatantly leering, grabbing and sneering.” – is she talking about alpha or beta guys?
      ‘Cause fratboys aren’t alpha.

      Much prefer this “Booby Trapped” – http://www.amazon.com/Booby-Trapped-Beware-Sisters-Century/dp/1893798283

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      • on February 14, 2012 at 3:54 pm P Ray

        Whoops. I meant to say,
        “Cause most people see fratboys as alpha”.

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  145. on February 13, 2012 at 6:03 pm Loveiseasy

    The problem isn’t merely too much prosperity, but too much prosperity and too little accountability for individual actions.

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  146. on February 13, 2012 at 7:40 pm Mr. C

    They should remake this film.
    Carnal Knowledge – http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066892/

    and a clip from the film.

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  147. on February 13, 2012 at 8:32 pm Max Coxwell

    Relevant…

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  148. on February 13, 2012 at 10:37 pm Andrew

    Weird, I sure got a lot interest on my POF profile yesterday and today. Any factors that might be responsible for this Heartiste?? Some sort of Holiday maybe that makes women become patheticly predictable??

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  149. on February 13, 2012 at 11:10 pm liberterian_renegade

    >> Libertarians: laissez faire means the cementing of intractable human hereditary differences into antagonistic classes and milieus.

    False. Central Banking Oligarchies cement class differences. Laissez Faire economics levels incompetent upper classes faster and more ruthlessly than the Bolshevik Revolution. Exhibit A: 2008, if the bailouts never happened.

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  150. on February 14, 2012 at 1:08 am Andrew

    Yesterday and today I got quite a lot of interest in my Profile on POF. The behavior of women is easy to predict. I always laugh when I hear guys talk about “the mysteries of women.” I have solved one mystery, don’t date the desperate single moms on POF.

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  151. on February 15, 2012 at 12:00 pm James

    Yes, I agree about the consequences of prosperity, and its interaction with our genetic makeup.

    A major change occurred in about 1900. Before then, wealthy people had more surviving children than poor people. Now, we have the reverse. A woman’s desire to give her children the best start in life is probably rooted in biology, and so in earlier times male wealth was an alpha trait to a much greater extent than it is today.

    As long as there is social mobility based on merit, prosperity would not carry the seeds of its own destruction.

    However, prosperity tends to increase the size of the middle class, and that stifles meritocracy. The middle classes do not want selective education, because it means that their neighbor’s kids might be identified as more intelligent than their own kids, and go to a better school. Education must be the same for everyone in the same neighborhood, and must be dumbed down so that “all must have prizes”.

    In combination, these two trends will eventually kill our society, because there will be too few high-earning taxpayers to subsidize the children on welfare. We already have a situation where wage-earning families cannot afford to have as many children as they would like, because they are paying so much for other people’s children through taxes.

    Life before the 20th century was cruel (read Dickens) and was not a sexual utopia (read Thomas Hardy). Our conceit is that we can buy our way to utopia: yes, we could if our biology was different. It’s a great idea, but it doesn’t apply to our species.

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  152. on February 16, 2012 at 6:56 am WarriorClass III

    While I agree that the libertarian model leads to the wealth of a nation, it does not necessarily translate into prosperity for the individual. Since this model has never existed, we don’t know for sure, but if individuals had to bear the burden of their own bad behavior, perhaps there would be less of it. While in a libertarian society people do keep the rewards of their labors, they also bear the punishments of folly. The down fall of America has been that the prosperous have born the cost of the wayward, allowing them to continue in their irresponsibility. I wonder exactly how many women would be truly prosperous in such an environment, competing on a level playing field with men. We may never know; such a libertarian country has never existed to my knowledge.

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