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Common Mistakes You Will Make While Learning Game

February 16, 2012 by CH

There is a cottage industry of anti-game, pro-feminist beta males who claimed to tried to learn the crimson arts but failed before seeing results. I suspect what happened to most of them is that they encountered some setbacks on their journey to higher quality, higher frequency poon, but instead of taking lessons from their losses they gave up and turned their frustration outward, against game and its advocates. What doomed them was a combination of defeatism, a lower than average starting suite of attractiveness traits, and unrealistic expectations of what game could accomplish for them.

Let me say, then, that I acknowledge their impotent rage. Most men who aren’t naturals will experience growing pains in their efforts to improve their game and success with women. I have seen all manner of mistakes made by recovering betas (and omegas) determined to increase their attractiveness to women. There is nothing unique or unsolvable about these common newbie game mistakes. If you are a beta starting out with game, you owe it to yourself to anticipate that you will experience the same setbacks that bedevil millions of men just like you traveling the same path of redemption. Anticipating mistakes means it will be a challenge to disappoint yourself, and your fortitude with thus be strengthened.

What follows is a list of the typical learning curve mistakes that men make while trying to become more charismatic ladykillers. I have pulled a couple of these boners myself, so don’t think there is a man alive who is immune to the occasional beta backslide once in a while.

Excitable Boy Syndrome

You’re pumped up for the night. Your face is flushed, your body is wired and your smile is a mile wide. You knocked out a three set of bicep curls just before hitting the clubs. You’re an approach machine. Look at you go! You’re so high on life and the possibilities of your newfound game knowledge that you forgot to remember chicks dig a man with state control. Chicks most definitely do not dig a hyperactive spaz. Don’t worry, soldier of seduction. The world is not going to run out of women tonight.

Overeager Reaction To Her Crumbs Of Interest

Your game has evolved to the point where you’re starting to get positive reactions from women. She touches your arm or pays you a genuine compliment or strokes her hair and beams ear to ear after you teased her. Pleasantly surprised and brimming with the sort of runaway horniness that has been fooled is on the cusp of being relieved, you respond with overeager gratitude, flattery and excessively loud laughter. Her brief window of kindness and flirty interest has opened your beta floodgates. You forget everything you learned and revert to the watery-eyed supplication of your puppy crushing preteen self. You push too hard for a romantic resolution, and you become outcome dependent. You know that old saying “Act like you’ve been there before”? Take it to heart. Chicks really do prefer men who don’t get too excited by female attention. Mystery called this attitude “active disinterest”, and that’s as good a description as any.

Fumble In The Red Zone

Your game has been smooth as silk. She’s standing with you on the sidewalk, a few kisses have transpired, and now you’re faced with the very real prospect that she’s ready to go home with you tonight. But the realization of this — the prospect that you may achieve your goal — freezes you. Instead of leading her to her exquisite doom with unstoppable confidence, you mumble something about maybe, possibly, seeing some band next week that you heard was good, your hands stuffed deep in your pockets. Her face slackens into disappointment. Your reward? A cavalcade of unanswered text messages and grotesque ponderings asking yourself “where did it all go wrong?”.

Overplayed Hand Syndrome

Wow! She really lit up when you dropped that neg! And look how she reacts so well to your cocky teasing. You can’t believe what you’re seeing. Game works!, you say to yourself. So more game must work more!, you answer in reply to yourself. You start dropping C&F on her like it’s going out of style. Slowly, or maybe not so slowly, you notice she’s not laughing as much, not opening her body to you, and not tilting her head to expose her vulnerable neck to you. She’s turtling fast, and now she’s glancing around the room. You captured her interest, and she wanted you to follow up with a deeper connection. An emotional bonding that would have added dimensions to your personality. But you responded with more of the same happy-go-lucky douchery. Game is not a hammer; it’s a scalpel. Use it as such.

Say Anything Stupid Syndrome

Every man fears it: getting stuck with nothing to say. This fear issues from a place of pedestalization. “If I don’t say something witty right now to break this awkward silence, I will lose her.” So in his beta haste he overcompensates by spitting out a jumble of small talk at best, and vibe-killing self-deprecation at worst. When you have nothing to say, the best response is to… say nothing. Let silence be your ally. 90% of the time, a woman confronted with a man’s silence will restart the conversation herself. Once she does that, the seduction script is flipped, and she becomes the chaser, uncontrollably instilling you with higher value. Women who don’t restart the conversation are not invested enough in you, and you may take that as a signal to move on.

Easy Discouragement Syndrome

You’ve arrived. You haven’t started talking to any girls yet. A cute girl sits near you with her friend. You suck in air deep, preparing to deliver your opener. As you turn to face them, you notice across the room a very good-looking guy juggling the interest of three adoring women. Discouraged, you hold your tongue and nurse your drink, alone, for the next three hours. You mumble something about game not working because you can never compete with men like that. Self-satisfied that your failures are thus justified and irredeemable, you slink home while a man who looks about like you do begins making out with a girl at a different bar in the city tonight. I hope I don’t have to spell out the moral of this story.

Stubborn Refusal To Adapt Spergitude

You’ve just dropped an inspired DHV routine on her. But for some inexplicable reason, she hasn’t responded the way you thought she would. The way so many others did. Boredom snakes across her face. You get flustered. “What do I do now??” Instead of changing course to something that might prove more fruitfully engaging for her, you continue blasting at her bunker with permutations of your nigh-invulnerable DHV story, hoping that some new way of saying this or that sentence will be the key to her heart. As an aspie beta nerd with stubborn mule tendencies, you are a victim of your emotional straitjacketing. Learn to adapt in the field by trying new things on the fly. Don’t be afraid to abandon a conversational trail that has gone stale. I’ve seen it so many times — men who stubbornly fix to a line of thought when the girl is moving the conversation in a new direction. The best seducers are masters of opportunistic conversational hijacking, and will lead and follow a girl’s train of thought simultaneously.

Apologia The Destroya

Incoming shit test! Thankfully, with your encyclopedic game knowledge, you know how to disarm it. But wait… she didn’t get that faux shocked, slightly horny look on her face when you slapped down her attempt to belittle you. No, she’s didn’t take your reply well. Another shit test, a nastier one, flies your way. Your brain starts filling up with self-doubt and second-guessing, and instead of nimbly swiping her second shit test aside, you begin apologizing — in so many words — for your impudence. Ughh. Game over, man! You let your wimpy, trembling beta id out for a stroll in the daylight. She took one look at the poor benighted creature and her fangs and claws were bared for the kill. Expect that you will occasionally have to deal with nasty bitches with zero tolerance for weakness in men. It comes with the territory. Knowing this, you will be better prepared to avoid getting entrapped by a woman’s betatization program.

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  1. on February 16, 2012 at 4:52 pm FFY

    Easy discouragement is probably the number one killer of prospective players out there.

    Krauser calls it the Approach Weasel. Always finding excuses to discourage yourself.

    Oh, it’s a mixed set
    or she is sitting down
    or she looks busy
    or she looks blah blah blah

    I won’t even lie, I still get these every now and then, especially on not-so-amped-up nights.

    best advice- Fuck it. Make a move. There isn’t some spotlight on you, and nobody in the entire bar is going to notice if you fuck up, so get of your ass because she probably wants to talk to you anyway

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    • on February 16, 2012 at 5:37 pm Honey Badger

      It’s funny how many of those “tough looking sets” go really well when you just say “fuck it” and go open. I kinda sit back and laugh at how seriously I used to think that stuff would play out. It’s rarely as bad as I used to make it out in my head and even when they do it’s easy to laugh off.

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    • on February 16, 2012 at 8:57 pm KillerQ

      That’s the best advice possible you can possibly give, saying “fuck it…” to yourself and moving in.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 12:46 am George Garner

      I remember that concept. It was Krauser’s fellow traveller Bhodisatta who coined the term: “Avoidance Weasel”. Here’s an excerpt (go read the rest).

      “As you rest, he plots. In every day and in every way he is there in the shadows. Imagine trying to run a marathon, and every single step of the way someone is beside you, their face inches from yours, pouring poison into your ear “Go on mate. You’ve done enough already. You’ve given it a fair crack. Just take a little break. You won’t last at this pace. You’ll burn out. STOP! What are you doing? You’re going to injure yourself. Come on.. see sense. I’m only trying to help you. Just stop for a few minutes”. Imagine that you’re a smoker and you have to stop smoking but you have to smoke one single cigarette every other day. This is akin to the level of power Avoidance Weasel has.”

      Link:
      http://mygreatexperiment.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/fifty-sets-of-challenge/

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  2. on February 16, 2012 at 5:01 pm Nine Furies

    In my experience, responding with anger and nursing backwards bitterness after being blown out was a problem for me when I started out.

    Only constantly pushing myself out of my comfort zone in social situations really changed the whole paradigm. Instead of the girl being a bitch for not immediately wanting to fuck, its a girl that is understandably intimidated by a confident man.

    Alexander from RSD wrote a kick ass article about that recently.

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    • on February 16, 2012 at 10:17 pm (r)Evoluzione

      Link to RSD article? It’s bad form to mention a good article but to leave your audience hanging.

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      • on February 16, 2012 at 11:28 pm vitacia

        I think he refers to this article:
        alexattitude.com/archives/628

        Basicly about how the girls are intimidated by you when you approach them and how you shouldn’t misinterpret that as them not liking you. (~02:50-03:15)

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 1:22 am Ripp

        100%.

        If you’re an avg+ looking guy, dressed well and approach confidently, some women will be intimidated and it’s easy to percieve this intimidated reaction as negative. I had some challenges with this.

        But after busting through it I’ve found you can soften your attraction routine (after the opener) with voice tone and a slight step back- a light IOD in a sense.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 3:09 am P Ray

      A guy responding with anger is used by girls, as backwards-rationalisation about why they’re horrible towards those same men they didn’t plan on dating anyway.
      E.g. “If you weren’t so angry, I’d have totally dated you, I just didn’t have the time when you asked me previously”… 😡

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  3. on February 16, 2012 at 5:19 pm Adam

    Alpha has cop fuck buddy
    Fuck buddy reappears years later and kills his wife in jealousy

    “Within a year of their meeting, Ruetten said, he and Rasmussen were engaged.

    A few weeks later, Ruetten said he received a phone call from Lazarus, who was crying and asking him to come to her apartment. He did so and said he found her distraught over his decision to marry another woman, which struck him as odd since he had not spoken with Lazarus for more than a year and believed they were “friends, just friends.

    Ruetten said he had no more contact with Lazarus and went on to marry Rasmussen in late 1985. He recounted returning home from work on Feb. 24, 1986, three months after the wedding, to find his wife’s body on the living room floor of their Van Nuys town house. She had been shot three times at close range in the chest and beaten badly.”

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0216-lapd-trial-20120215,0,521843.story

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    • on February 16, 2012 at 10:22 pm (r)Evoluzione

      File under: Keep strings short.

      don’t string your #2 (or 3, 4, etc) along for a long time. Iit can lead to unnecessary emotional attachment.

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    • on February 18, 2012 at 2:39 pm Anonymous

      Death penalty to her and all jealous cunts.

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  4. on February 16, 2012 at 5:48 pm Jaz

    I had the opposite problem. I met someone, and I didn’t find anyone better for so long I just sort of ended up in a LTR.

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  5. on February 16, 2012 at 5:52 pm Rex

    I’ve gotten 2 girlfriends in the past 6 months due to CH. Both of them lasted about a a month or two. I noticed I completely dropped my game once I got a girl, I just saw it as a tool to seduce a girl, not keep her. I went from cocky asshole to the sickening cuddly beta slowly as I began to feel their warmth. I noticed the second I got a girl, I gave up my ‘alpha act’ because I had ‘won’. Or so I had thought.

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    • on February 16, 2012 at 7:21 pm Anon

      CH had the reverse effect on me. I’m chasing less because now I have a rock solid LTR game, and I enjoy the submission that it instills in my girls.
      Keep reading, there is no better way than the chateau to become an insubmersible ladykiller.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 8:34 am Redleg

        Do you find that the approach is different between potential LTR candidates, and same day bang candidates? Or is the former just the latter with more effort put in after the fact?

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 9:13 am plumnuts

        The playful neg, frame control, reject/refuse/ridicule, occasionally being unavailable – I use them regularly to keep my current relationship piquant, it works wonders I have to say.

        I’ve had a few gf’s after reading through the CH archives as well as the mystery book – the tips (esp. on behavior & body language) and insight into the workings of the female attraction have improved my inner game tenfold, in fact I’d go as far as to say life changing.

        However, thus far I’ve never tried running any of the PUA stuff like opening sets, running routines, false time constraints and all of that. I see that as the next belt up & for now it’s all wax on wax off shaped.

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    • on February 16, 2012 at 7:49 pm ssk08

      Same here (two month relationship), but I got oneitis and won her back by not initiating contact for two weeks, then dumped her. It was…painful, but worth it. Never let your guard down. Fixing my inner game now that oneitis unmasked my weaknesses.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 12:14 pm PUA_Rochester

        Best way to avoid oneitis is to have another girl on the side. Also advice from CH (Poon Commandment VII). It helped me when I started seeing a 22-year-old hot girl and I got oneitis quickly. She smelled it and fled, but luckily I had something on the side to tie me over. This helped me recover much more quickly and didn’t affect my game too much.

        I guess my question is: when do I cut the girls loose? Obviously if they start becoming serious, say I love you, etc., and you’re not into her, you let her go. My one girl on the side, however, is very cool, only wants to see me max. two days a week, doesn’t become all lubby dubby, and has her own thing going on. She has started calling me “babe” though, which is concerning.

        I remember listening to Brad P.’s CD, and he said that as long as the girl is not making the moves to becoming your girlfriend (by saying I love you, planning on moving in, wanting to see you everynight, etc.), you can keep the fling going indefinitely until she says that the gig’s up (or you want to end it for whatever reason).

        I wonder if Heartiste would mind expanding upon Poon Commandment VII, i.e., how long should you keep the girl on the side around, etc.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 12:31 pm peckerwood

        when a chick loves you, she’s ripe for MLTR or bootycallisms. You cut back on the date-dates and other stuff, never give an inch on being a mushy moo. If she gets needy, say I don’t think we’re a romantic match. It seems that as long as you don’t accept the bf/gf roles, then you don’t get caught up in being monogamous. Obviously, this behavior is easier if you don’t really see her as the one. But if you fall in love, hey, that’s a different path.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 8:52 pm YaReally

        1) Never ever ever give an inch. If she thinks there’s a remote chance that she can turn you into a BF she will cling to it and increase the shit-testing until she forces herself to give you an ultimatum at which point you become her BF or you hold strong and accept that the relationship has run its course. You can be alpha for a year and then crack and come to her family dinner and now she thinks she just has to be persistent/patient since you showed that your resolve isn’t as strong as you pretended.

        She’ll also know that your word doesn’t mean shit which is where she’ll first start losing the attraction for you that she had when you were aloof. In Californication season 2 the alpha rocker guy talking to a chick goes:

        “Hank and I are going to the bar.”
        “okay let’s go!”
        “Sorry girl, no tag-alongs.”
        “Why?”
        “Because the words left my mouth. (stare-down)”

        Alpha. But how alpha would he still be if she went “aww pleeeeease?” and he said “sigh okay….”

        2) Don’t see her more than once a week. Twice absolute max. More than that and she’ll get attached fast…you’ll get attached too. Why wouldn’t you, neither of you has time to be playing the field. Cue scarcity mentality, “this one’s not like the others”, etc.

        3) If you DO meet her friends (see rule 1), don’t make it clear what your situ with her is. Let them assume what they want. A girl’s biggest fear is social judgement. She will fuck you for months/years and be fine with it until one of her friends says “you mean he doesn’t even take you to dinner?” and then she has to get you to take her to dinner so her friend doesn’t think she’s slutty/stupid/etc. She never gave a shit about dinner till she faced social judgement, but now she’ll end a mutually beneficial relationship over it.

        Be a cool guy tho. Let her know the deal up front that you aren’t the settling down type. 1) you’ll break less hearts and 2) it’s less hassle on your end because you can snuff the shit-tests out simply with congruency instead of having to make up bullshit stalling-for-time reasons.

        Guys who string girls along telling them lies like “i love you” when they don’t and “i’m not seeing anyone else” when they are, just to keep the sex going, are guys who have a scarcity mentality and live their lives incongruently because they are too chicken-shit to admit what they want, not apologize for wanting it, and are too scared to let the chips fall where they may. Promising a girl monogamy and then cheating on her or implying you could be turned into a long term BF when you know you can’t (by her at least) is weak.

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 5:15 am au naturale

        He’s right – It is indefinite. And if the sex is good, keep it indefinite.

        I kept this one girl I met at a club as a fuck buddy for almost 2 years. I would take her out on very informal dates and then would fuck her all night. The whole time, she never pressed me for any extra commitment, in fact, even I asked her why she won’t ask me to be her boyfriend.

        Maybe she knew her sexual market value would last long enough to keep a long term alpha on the side for a while before she met her long term husband….her 40ish-year-old-mom was almost as beautiful as she was, looking better than most young women. I still don’t really know, given that I pulled a couple beta mistakes during our time together.

        I don’t understand girls like this. Maybe birth control completely destroys the primitive desire for commitment in some girls. I ended the relationship too, my initiation of contact with her slowly diminished to nothing. Even though I voluntarily stumbled into a rare drought, I just got tired of her.

        Personally I just think this is an (extremely) rare breed of woman, still to this day I don’t think I’ll ever meet another one like her.

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    • on February 16, 2012 at 8:07 pm James

      Ugh, yes it is very easy to do.

      I remember the contrast of the eyes of worship she bats at you when you were alpha compared to her cold disgust when you crumble.

      It’s like sex with a woman. She doesn’t make you work for it, you take her pussy for granted and go and find another one without any emotional twinges.

      You give her nice LTR feelings too much too soon she goes running off to get some gina tingles from a bad boy.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 1:34 am Ripp

      I’m not trying to patronize, but what I read is that your game has improved significantly from your previous 6 months- but your next challenge is in the context of “harem management” for lack of a better term. Or rotation management or whatever.

      I’ve been there. Once I climbed a few rungs and started getting frequent sex with women I was really attracted to, some complacency set in and I let the sex “beta” me out. It also killed my game development and game with other new opportunities because this “one” chic took up too much bandwidth.

      Essentially you’re expereiencing an advanced form of ONEitis and haven’t properly “trained” your rotation partners. This is key as you develop larger harems and manage the expectations. It’s important to establish a “random, scarce and intermittent” communication pattern from the onset. Eventually when the sexual line is crossed you’ll have choices to make between giving up more of your free time to continue the relationship or risk losing the account for other new opportunities.

      I coach my students to make sure not to communicate too much with their targets- especially after sex. If you do you risk her clinging on, going nuts on you, or you can also beta out and blow the opp.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 1:00 pm Rex

        Yeah, you’re right. I literally have NO motivation to go out and get laid if I already am. I just see it as, I can just call this girl up and fuck, why do I have to go work at it? Again, I think it’s just my mindset of seeing game as a tool instead of a lifestyle, or whatever it is. And Maya…stop trolling.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 2:04 pm Maya

        What?! I’m not trolling btw. I really believe in what I write, seriously. I don’t know what part of my comment seems like trolling to you … I really believe that when you love someone you probably prefer that he or she cares about you as well (=behaves like a cuddly beta). Also, I believe that when you love someone, you don’t mind about his or her flaws (in case they are not too big, but that’s something you should find out before getting involved with anyone).
        So I really see no purpose in playing games with people you love. I think you should listen to your heart and be a cuddly beta if that’s how you feel.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 7:06 pm Anonymoose

        Unfortunately your beliefs have little to do with the real world. Keep in mind that for men sex is one of the most important parts of a relationship. So anything that reduces sex is a negative in a relationship from a man’s point of view.

        For the vast majority (all?) women acting cute and cuddly all of the time eventually becomes a sexual turn off. The disinterest may take a while to develope but from my observations it always arises. Him acting cuddly and needy every once and a while may seem cute in the hormonal rush of love in the first year or so but eventually she becomes disgusted by it.

        Now, no/darn few woman will admit to it, especially to themselves, but it happens nonetheless. They’ll make up every excuse under the book for the reason but the truth but I’ve seen it happen too many times to be just a fluke. Likewise I’ve seen too many times when the man gets his act together and starts acting more alpha-like the sexual attraction spring to life again. This is in LTRs where the woman does not consider herself just free to leave. When women feel free to just up and leave with no consequences it is generally too late from my observations.

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 6:09 pm maya

        “Him acting cuddly and needy every once and a while may seem cute in the hormonal rush of love in the first year or so but eventually she becomes disgusted by it.”

        needy is something else than cuddly. of course women don’t want to put up with a needy man (=loser).

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 7:28 pm driveallnight

        Stop trolling, Maya.

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 11:51 am itsme

        i think it’s easy to tell when you’re off your meds maya.

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 6:05 pm maya

        i’m on my meds right now 🙂

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 3:58 pm Raider

        lol-Rex just neged Maya and she bit.

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 6:10 pm maya

        +1

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 9:23 pm YaReally

        Here’s a relevant article that might help you understand what makes you tick better:

        http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?2541-Thrill-of-the-Hunt-men-vs-Pleasure-of-Sex-men

        A lot of PUAs (like myself) fall into the Thrill of the Hunt category because we were socially inept and introverted most of our lives so the concept of having such control over our lives and such dominance of social interactions gives us a god-like high and we care more about that than the actual sex part (although it’s awesome too lol). We went without sex for long periods of time so often we’re the guys who will test new ideas out or try purposely stupid things just to see what happens because we don’t really care if we lose a few lays doing it…especially if we gain knowledge or a funny story out of it. We’re also usually the types who will pass up a guaranteed lay with an uggo/average chick for a remote or seemingly impossible shot at a lay with a way hotter one. Mystery, Style, Tyler Durden, etc were these types of guys, that’s why they advanced game knowledge so rapidly.

        A lot of naturals fall into the Pleasure of Sex category because they always had sex available to them whether it was flings or serial monogamy so for them going without sex is strange and depressing (a natural buddy of mine gets massively depressed and is annoying as fuck to listen to him bitch when he doesn’t get laid for a WEEK lol). These guys will fuck smokin hot girls because they’re naturally good with women and aren’t intimidated but they’re just as happy fucking an uggo. Consistent sex is their drive. These guys have a hard time learning pickup because each success is followed by laziness in training. Imagine trying to lose weight by dieting but for each successful healthy meal you have you reward yourself with donuts.

        If you’re the Pleasure of Sex guy, I honestly don’t know how to help you because you literally totally justifiably just lack the motivation to sharpen your skills. It’s not “worse”, it just means you will probably have a harder time progressing at pickup since you don’t see the point.

        Maybe focusing on the other benefits of pickup will help? Ie – you gain confidence overall, better public speaking skills, you can network with people better which could help your business life, you learn new things from people, you keep the alpha behavior that keeps your GF attracted, etc. what’s important about social dynamics to you beyond sex?

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 1:51 pm Anon

        “Bandwidth” is a great way to put it.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 12:39 pm Maya

      Rex,

      “I went from cocky asshole to the sickening cuddly beta slowly as I began to feel their warmth. I noticed the second I got a girl, I gave up my ‘alpha act’ because I had ‘won’. Or so I had thought.”

      But that’s okay. When you find the right girl, she will love you the way you are. You can be a “sickening cuddly beta”. I think it’s cute.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 2:03 pm John Norman Howard

        Maya’s always around to keep us on the straight and narrow when we go off on our tangents.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 2:14 pm Redleg

        Maya is around to play with her orifice when CH foolishly responds to her trolling.
        …
        …
        …
        Much as Uh starts to salivate whenever I post.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 2:30 pm Maya

        Sick :S

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 4:21 pm John Norman Howard

        Pics or it didn’t happen.

        /bwaaaaa haaaaaa haaaaa

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 2:53 pm dicipres

        “But that’s okay. When you find the right girl, she will love you the way you are. You can be a “sickening cuddly beta”. I think it’s cute.”

        Didn’t you learn anything from CH?

        You think it is cute, but actually you would lose attraction.

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 6:03 pm maya

        i think CH has mentioned many times that you can use “beta” game for LTR. so maybe it’s you who haven’t learned anything. i doubt that CH would advocate suppressing your emotions when you are in a relationship with someone who loves you.

        “You think it is cute, but actually you would lose attraction.”

        no, that’s not true.

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  6. on February 16, 2012 at 5:53 pm Jake

    “Stubborn Refusal To Adapt Spergitude”
    Flowing naturally with the direction of a conversation is one of the hardest things imo. I plan out conversations in my head before I have them and, I realized that fellow spergies do it too. We take things literally and are completely deaf to the underlying tone and actual message of what’s being said, but understand the words fine. Subtleties kill me.

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    • on February 16, 2012 at 10:13 pm (r)Evoluzione

      Flowing with the convo comes with practice. It’s definitely something you can learn to do. At one time I tried to have conversations planned out in advance, but that’s impossible and more than a bit spergy.

      What’s not spergy but strategic is to have a number of ‘volleys’ that you can use. You can’t plan an entire conversation, but you can expect to receive some similar responses to a given question or tactic. Being prepared to answer a repetitive response, that’s just plain smart. And easy. Again, just practice.

      Also, congruence really matters. I’ve found you can say about anything if you say it with confident, direct eye contact, and a playful smirk, er, smile.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 1:42 am Ripp

        Agreed.

        Conversation is a skill set, it can be learned and mastered.

        Ya gotta do it, and keep doing it, and so forth.

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  7. on February 16, 2012 at 5:55 pm whorefinder

    In other news, black guy states that he was taught by other black guys that losing to white players was the worst, and that basketball is supposed to be a black-dominated thing, and beating whitey was required for racia pride:

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7579418/there-goes-neighborhood-#8212-floyd-mayweather-tweet-williams-sisters-jeremy-lin

    Over/under on whether any major news source will ever call him a mega-racist and castigate him for this?

    Never. Blacks get a free pass.

    in other news, Bill Simmons is a a crap writer, a faggedy-ass Obama-supporter, and lost a football pool to his wife, The Sports Whore.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 9:32 am passingby

      Increasingly, no one gives a shit about being called racist, since pretty much any behavior will earn a white person that sobriquet.

      Like any currency that is too frequently minted, racism accusations have lost their value.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 2:09 pm John Norman Howard

      Well, let’s be honest… that bakket ball be their ultimate arena… getting beat by YT would indeed be an in-yo’-face-disgrace to the race.

      Ever notice how stereotypes are okay when they favor the ubiquitous 800 pound gorilla in the room?

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 7:59 pm Obstinance Works

        Americans should just embrace racism. It’s what made America great. Do you think any of us would have been great if we were not hated? Do you think Obama would have been President if we kept the slaves on the plantation with love n soft kisses? Noooooooooo

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  8. on February 16, 2012 at 6:25 pm anonymous

    “There is a cottage industry of anti-game, pro-feminist beta males who claimed to tried to learn the crimson arts but failed before seeing results.”

    Not all of us are pro feminist. Some of us are omegas who despise women, betas and alphas alike.

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    • on February 16, 2012 at 8:40 pm P Ray

      “Pro-feminist” beta males are simply those who believe the pretty lies for far too long.
      After enough times holding the bag or cleaning up her mess, they either sack-up or deny women the opportunity to ask them for favours that won’t be reciprocated.

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    • on February 16, 2012 at 10:55 pm Anonymous

      “Not all of us are pro feminist. Some of us are omegas who despise women, betas and alphas alike.”

      Yes, but we don’t concern ourselves with you and your type, for you soon remove yourselves from the gene pool. And life goes on.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 1:07 am Ulf Elfvin

      “[D]espise”? In what way are y o u better??

      Explain.

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  9. on February 16, 2012 at 6:47 pm Jack Frostie

    Excellent post.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 5:17 am Aisor

      Voice of experience, man. Most of these dredged up some painful fucking memories ha ha ha

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  10. on February 16, 2012 at 6:50 pm Jack Frostie

    I learned pretty early on that the best way to approach a “date” is to go into it in “date” mode. This means essentially having the male equivalent of “bitch” shields locked and ready to go. Be prepared for shit tests and know they are going to come out at some point.

    Being hyper aware of shit tests makes it incredibly easy to deflect them without much effort. I also find it enjoyable to be on the lookout for shit tests and strike appropriately when they do come up. It’s a lot like stealing a pass in basketball that you “saw” before the pass was thrown.

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  11. on February 16, 2012 at 7:02 pm walawala

    Another common one for me flows out of “Over-played Hand Syndrome”—, “Gamus Interuptus” knowing when to pull-out is vital. I have learned that whether it’s “overgaming” or just lack of interest on her part, learning when to cut it short is vital. The turnaround, the sudden walkaway take practicce.

    There is a tendancy to “over-game”. Alternately, if for whatever reason you lose your nerve, draw a blank or are overcome with the feeling you can’t get through, it’s time to walk away.

    The other consideration and I still don’t know what the answer to this is, I’ve been gaming a girl in my social circle for a year. She’s always giving IOI’s, we’ve gone out.

    When I had a gf, she was much more keen. Now she’s still giving IOI’s but has been a bit cool.

    There are times when disappearing or pulling back for a while can be beneficial.

    Another common mistake: failing to recognize and pass shit-tests.

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  12. on February 16, 2012 at 7:06 pm TourDeForce

    Guilty of:

    – Excitable Boy Syndrome (not anymore – learned not to give a fuck)
    – Overeager Reaction To Her Crumbs Of Interest – So. Very. Much.
    – Overplayed Hand Syndrome – makes you look really immature
    – Say Anything Stupid Syndrome – thanks for giving me the solution to this dilemma. Not being able to STFU seems to be an issue with me.
    – Apologia The Destroya – I’m not yet accustomed to spotting them early

    I started all of this about three months ago.
    I tried a few things and immediatley got the predicted result.
    As I stopped using those newly discovered tools, the girls were back to “normal”.
    Start again – they react again.
    That was the moment I realized that game was real.
    No more denying it.
    Also the main reason why I don’t understand Easy Discouragement Syndrome.
    I really, really don’t get it.

    Technique-heavy game, in the learning phase, I reckoned, requires focus and attention.
    Not the thing I’m good at.
    I presumed, to let it all come naturally and have a better start at learning techniques, I should start with building inner game.
    Active socializing, going to the gym, standing up for yourself(!), etc.
    The only “technique” I learned actively and use consiously is negging.

    Result so far:
    Not a desperate, nerdy virgin anymore.
    Two girls chasing me.
    They’re LSE-HD, though.
    As predicted for beginners.
    I reckon that better game leads, again as predicted, to HSE girls.
    To get there requires to embrace pain and hard work for once and actually learn to be subtly attentive.

    I’m still all “what the fuck is going on” because of the precise predictions.

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  13. on February 16, 2012 at 7:16 pm zskee

    Thanks CH. I just starting to learn this stuff and I kinda needed to read this. Love your blog and keep doing your thing.

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  14. on February 16, 2012 at 7:54 pm cheeks

    I think I inadvertently gamed my ex-girlfriend who I’ve been trying to forget for the past 4 months.

    The night before Valentine’s Day she called me out of the blue after I had been maintaining indifference and light contact with her. Asked me out to dinner and drinks and paid for everything. Soon enough we’re back at her place engaged in some very rough sex. The whole time she was gasping “Why didn’t you love me? Admit that you loved me!” I came out of it with a black eye and a gouged lip.

    While this was going down, her new boyfriend that she left me for was texting her “Happy Valentine’s Day!” messages. The next morning, laying there naked and bruised in her bed, she claims to feel guilty and makes me promise not to tell anybody. What the fuck.

    I left her place feeling simultaneously like an adulterous Alpha and a used and abused Beta. Haven’t heard from her since. Anybody have any insight?

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    • on February 16, 2012 at 10:16 pm (r)Evoluzione

      Chrysler. Diagnosis: A psycho bitch who may be incapable of feeling truly loved. Daddy issues, most likely. Be glad you’re done with her. Take satisfaction in the fact that your game has improved to the point that she pursued you, to the point of final culmination.

      Hold that alpha frame. You earned it. Ditch the ‘used and abused’ beta frame. Consider your battle scars the price of knowledge and the result of not sitting on your ass. Then: onward. Higher, further, faster.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 9:35 am passingby

      Shake your head. Laugh. Write it all off to lessons learned. Find a new woman.

      She is damaged goods best left back at the store.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 9:56 pm Trimegistus

      Enjoy the memories.

      Get tested.

      Never speak to her or see her again.

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    • on February 18, 2012 at 11:38 pm Anonymous

      Fuck he in the ass, take a shower, go grab a cold one alone, and reflect on some great anal. All good son!

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 6:35 pm cheeks

        Well, she showed up at my house today bawling her eyes out claiming she was going to quit her job and kill herself. She had promised her boyfriend the day before that she would never see me again.

        The boyfriend did a drive-by and saw her car parked in front of my house. She talked to him on the phone and he’s raging. Apparently he’s done with her.

        She left my place, said she couldn’t stay, and I slammed the door on her. The drama continues…

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  15. on February 16, 2012 at 8:00 pm Doug1

    The link that Heartiste self references basically amounts to this. You can expect that if you diligently learn game as a non natural late to it, and try, try again, you’ll go up one sex rank.

    More than that is possible but unlikely. No improvement will likely occur if you fall into the traps above.

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  16. on February 16, 2012 at 8:39 pm Ryan S.

    @ anonymous^

    One day we will beg you for mercy

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  17. on February 16, 2012 at 8:54 pm I boned Susan Walsh

    So much truth in this article

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  18. on February 16, 2012 at 9:06 pm corvinus

    Every beta should read this post until it sinks into his blood.

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  19. on February 16, 2012 at 9:43 pm ruhroh

    I’m good looking and don’t even have to use game to seduce women, they come to me (within reason). But I have a serious case of “fumble in the red zone” and I wish this blog would discuss this sometimes. I freeze up and actually start to dread having to perform. Even if I try to “get over it” and go through with it, it’s a disaster, it just doesn’t work and leaves everyone embarrassed. I have extreme performance anxiety and don’t know how to get over it. Even viagra doesn’t really help. When I imagine girls liking me by myself and while making out with them, I get hard, but then when the time comes there’s nothing I can do about it. This is true most often with one-night stands.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 2:23 am xsplat

      That’s common, bro.

      I had a fucked up few years before I finally lost my virginity in my early twenties, as I had horrible, crippling performance anxiety. When I finally got the green light at the entrance of a new pussy to try again, I went soft. The next day the sky matched my mood precisely – it was the darkest heaviest rain and cloud cover in recorded history in my area – all cars had to pull over and in the middle of the day it was as dark as any night.

      It took a while for that girl to fix my dick. She just let me try and try again. Eventually she’d get pissed off at me for being “too damn virile” and not stopping fucking after many orgasms.

      Just find some patient girl who turns you on. That’s a key part. What started my whole problem to begin with was trying to lose my virginity to a butch little girl who didn’t turn me on, and not knowing that vaginal juices or a bit of hand spit are required to ease entry. I’d thought I just wasn’t hard enough – and that set off a chain reaction of fear about my boner. Self fulfilling fear.

      There will come a time when that fear won’t happen again – if you don’t get hard you won’t even sweat it. You’ll just take a rest, and let the girl freak out – it won’t even trouble you. Your junk works fine. Soon enough you’ll get more familiar with that. Some good hearted chick will fuck you right.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 10:30 am Hung One On You

      You’re getting old and you’re probably jerking off too much. Both of those variables don’t help. Lay off wanking for a while so you can build up the urges to untenable levels.

      Also, there is really no other way to get over this type of anxiety then to just try as hard as you can to not think about it. You have to get to a point where your urge to fuck eclipses your anxiety and this can only really happen by trying not to think about it and also building up your sexual desire to a large excess. So chill with the porn and jerking

      Also, you have to lay off the alcohol….it’s a total boner killer.

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 12:31 pm Anonymous

        stay away from anti-histimines as well. how do i know? . a little birdie told me. =) i found they aren’t any good for women either.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 11:37 am Assuming It's Not A Troll...

      Stop masturbating for two weeks… John Thomas, the Bald Avenger, will get a mind of his own at that point and block out your other brain’s anxieties.

      Stop caring about what the lady will think… just focus on her luscious flesh like its there just for the use… YOUR use… she’s merely your concubine.

      At first, only go for the girls whose looks really his your type… e.g., if a buxom blonde is what puts the hook in you, don’t try to bang a Sandra Bullock type, merely because she’s available.

      Once you master that frame of mind, you can widen your field of vision and score with other physical types.

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    • on February 18, 2012 at 3:14 am n/a

      You’re a troll and you’ve never taken Viagra, but here’s some advice for all men who worry about “performance.”

      There is no performance.

      If you don’t get hard — *she is doing it wrong.* And that’s exactly what you tell her.

      You tell her: I have a pair of very jaded balls. I need a girl who knows how to get me up, get me off, and get me going again, and again. Prove to me that you’re a girl who knows how to fuck.–

      It’s that simple. The female is there to give you pleasure: that’s her entire task and her whole delight. If she fails, that has nothing to do with you.

      Further.

      No ejaculation is “premature.” Every load is blown at exactly the right time. So. Come as fast as you want — the mouth does nicely for this first, hard bolt.

      Then you say: now, how are you gonna get me hard again. Make her work; make her think. They have nothing else to do.

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 5:54 pm Ovid

        I give a thums up on this comment.

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 5:55 pm Ovid

        Thumbs*

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  20. on February 16, 2012 at 9:44 pm whorefinder

    Check out the hottie/poor pathetic ugly rich beta relationship:

    She openly cheats on him and uses him for money, all the while blaming him for her cheating on him and her drug use.

    He’s starting to show glimmers of manhood—rage at being cheated on, etc.—but can’t leave her. He states he would have left her (“and never remembered her name”) if she hadn’t gotten pregnant by him (I wonder if he checked the DNA; probably not).

    Love the part when, even getting sober, she claims that they’re not involved in “their issues” anymore. As if he caused any. And he buys her a vacation home to celebrate! Beta to the Max!

    The major problem with her “sobriety” is that she is still a good-looking girl, at 26, even with all the wear-and-tear, pump-and-dumps she has had and probably continues to have. Her hotness allowed her to forget her molestation (yeah, I’m guessing that happened, although it’s never mentioned, probably by her Dad, who abandoned her as teenager) in the arms of multiple men and meth. It let’s her get away with a lot—get’s free drugs and free attention and a supplicant beta husband willing to be a doormat/ATM.

    So I predict a healthy relapse, and, finally, he’ll sack up and get rid of her. Then she’ll be on the wrong side of 30 with no more sugar daddy. She’ll be some street walker or low-rent escort and o.d in the gutter.

    So sad, guys. This is what happens when you don’t have game.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 2:33 am xsplat

      Ya, that nice neat retributive ending you scripted in isn’t how reality usually writes the script.

      She’ll keep a keen eye on her expiration date, and switch tactics in time to land a husband. Who she will later divorce rape.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 11:36 am passingby

        This.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 2:52 pm Whorefinder

        I’d agree if she was just a normal party girl.

        She’s not; she’s a meth head who hangs out with the Aryan Brotherhood and openly cheats on her man nightly with said brotherhood members. She admits to staying up for 6 days straight while strung out on meth.

        That isn’t some sneaky ho who likes the occasional hit of coke and sleep with random club guys. Those girls are much more calculating and would do what you said.

        Her situation is already past the point a normal party ho would tolerate. She’s hardcore drug addicted and hanging out with hardcore white supremacists. She’s a desperate junkie and a serial manipulator. She has no future time orientation. The gutter or a cheap escorts apartment will be her home.

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      • on February 19, 2012 at 8:22 pm xsplat

        Nasty. Ya, I can’t see how a girl like that could have any future either.

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 10:27 am uh

        Those evil “white supremacists” again! One can’t seem to escape them … in the media.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 3:11 am P Ray

      That’s what happens when you think she’s “the only One”.

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  21. on February 16, 2012 at 10:14 pm james

    Always spewing out great content CH. Keep up the good work. You ARE changing men around the world. Don’t forget it.

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  22. on February 16, 2012 at 10:50 pm Badger

    Great stuff. I just wrote on how easy it is to talk yourself out of approaching. For Chrissakes, just do it!

    http://badgerhut.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/beating-approach-anxiety/

    I do like Roosh’s “just pretend you’ve already been rejected” frame. It really makes every success exceed expectations.

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  23. on February 16, 2012 at 10:58 pm Dan

    This was a very insightful post. There are a lot of good points to mull over. I thank you for it!

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  24. on February 16, 2012 at 11:05 pm Badger

    “Fumble In The Red Zone”

    I’ve found that when a woman communicates she’s ready to give herself to you, there’s a bit of a shit test under there. She’s testing to see if you become giddy as a guy who’s never been laid. It’s the reverse of rejecting you to see if you still push – accepting you and seeing if you will lead instead of following her lead. It’s all about keeping the frame that she has to earn it. Also a bad idea to think you’ve got it in the bag, it ain’t over till the little kitty sings.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 8:37 am Redleg

      Maybe that’s why juggling several women is a good strategy. You don’t get as worked up about potential sex because, worst case scenario, you can call it in from a more reliable source at the end of the night. Thus the hidden shit test never activates.

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  25. on February 17, 2012 at 12:02 am Mast Vajority

    If you have a willing platonic female friend, have her help you out. It can really help if you’re losing, or have lost hand with one or more women you’re pursuing.

    For example I have a girl friend i’ve been close with for years, and i had her write on my facebook wall “Great seeing you last night ;)”. The girl i’m gaming sees it and BOOM. She starts complying more, being more engaged/responsive.

    It’s such a multi-layered DHV. There’s the mystery about the extent of your relationship with your platonic friend, the actual meaning of the post, the fact that girls see it coming from a third party source…not YOU.

    The great part, is that by recruiting the platonic girl to help me with another girl, she ALSO feels a tinge of jealously and becomes more interested and compliant with me. Therefore i’m not imposing on her, and it doesnt look weak (if you can artfully request it). My lack of interest in the platonic friend is built into the request, negating any real risk on my part.

    Its always been a win win move of mine and i use it alot… to stoke the dying embers of interest, so to speak. .

    Relatedly, “non-sequiter texting” is a topic covered in a post at the cheteau, that I have tested.. and it is gold. Also verified that using it more than once is ineffective.

    I’m all for trickery.

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  26. on February 17, 2012 at 12:09 am George Garner

    Don’t wind up an Excitable Boy. Warren Zevon warned us!

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  27. on February 17, 2012 at 2:40 am emisch

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/male-speech-patterns-female-fertility_n_1282171.html?ref=women

    “The researchers found that when the women were the most fertile, the men they were speaking to were less likely mimic the women’s sentence structure — 49.7 percent of the time vs. 62 percent of the time when the women were least fertile, The Conversation reported. When conducting a similar experiment on women (though this time only using 47 college-aged subjects), no such noteworthy changes in linguistic matching were found.”

    Very interesting…so this is basically subconscious game then?

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 7:51 pm driveallnight

      It’s long been established that women pursue/engage alphas when they’re ovulating, betas when they’re not. So, of course men these women spoke to while ovulating didn’t mimic their speech; they were likely alphas.

      But those betaboys they hang with the rest of the month? Well, of course they imitated the women’s speech.

      I hope this comment empowers everyone.

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 4:05 pm emisch

        “It’s long been established that women pursue/engage alphas when they’re ovulating, betas when they’re not.”

        I interpreted this study a different way. If you look at the article the men were preselected (i.e. not selected by the women in the study) by the researchers. I’m not sure how they selected these men but I would assume they had a mixture of alphas and betas. So across the board, men tried to stand out when women were at their most fertile (so both alphas and betas did this). If most of these men reacted similarly it is an unconscious reaction, thus unconscious game! Which is pretty cool imo.

        This link has a more detailed account of the study http://theconversation.edu.au/men-get-creative-with-grammar-when-they-want-to-impress-fertile-women-5279

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      • on February 22, 2012 at 9:43 am driveallnight

        Fair enough.

        On a side note, I’m feeling very empowered today.

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  28. on February 17, 2012 at 3:15 am simonthemagician

    The number one rule that any aspiring alpha must learn is to simply not care what the girl thinks or doesn’t think about you. Nothing spins the attraction hamster wheel faster than an aloof man. Despite all the windbagery to the contrary, women hate it when men hold them in too high of a regard. Once you remove outcome dependent mindsets from the Game, you are ready to join the Big Leagues.

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  29. on February 17, 2012 at 3:59 am Jean-Luc Le Game

    I would add a common mistake to relationship game, at least what happened to me, was going too aggressive at first, in an angry kind of way. This is no doubt related to the fact that I was way too submissive originally, and was literally getting bullied in some ways by my live-in long term girlfriend. So when I first started trying to be more alpha and stand up to her, I was doing a little too much yelling. Not even that much, but rather than come off as an alpha and in charge, it was so uncharacteristic of me that it just came off as being angry and lashing out. But it is important to be capable of yelling and not always submissively being pushed around.

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  30. on February 17, 2012 at 5:28 am Andrew

    I winced as I read through this one. Sometimes I think I’ve finally reached that point where I’ve mastered game and then I inevitably slip back into my old ways. It happens less and less but it can be discouraging to say the least. Only answer is to press on..

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  31. on February 17, 2012 at 6:39 am Hoagie

    I’ve found that details of the approach often determine whether the ho of interest relegates one to betadom.

    For example…

    – looking at a girl, walking directly over, saying hi… BETA
    – slowly making your way in a girl’s direction, at a casual pace, with occasional stops, acting nonchalant … semi-alpha
    – staying in one spot, making occasional eye contact, girl nonchalantly works her way into your vicinity… ALPHA

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 12:04 pm Mukluk

      “- looking at a girl, walking directly over, saying hi”

      This is far from beta.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 12:13 pm Mukluk

      In fact what betas do is what your “ALPHA” does, except the girl doesn’t come over to him.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 12:53 pm darkpenguin350

      The aspie is strong in this

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 1:01 pm Hoagie

        ROFL @ Mukluk and darkpenguin350 thinking that reading a game blog from their Mom’s basement makes them alpha.

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 1:44 pm Mukluk

        …very strong.

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      • on February 17, 2012 at 4:10 pm Hoagie

        Bro, you go read some more game blogs, pretend that you’ve ever been laid, then yank yer cawk and get your Mommy to come downstairs and tuck you into bed.

        Peace!

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      • on February 18, 2012 at 5:39 pm Stark

        …dude.

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    • on February 18, 2012 at 11:56 am corvinus

      Half true. Walking over and chatting her up is only beta if her body language is closed off to you, or if you make it blatantly obvious that you’re going over there just to talk to her. Watch the body language, folks.

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    • on February 18, 2012 at 7:25 pm King A

      Everybody’s a critic. Everybody thinks they define alpha and then ridicule the world for not measuring up to their contrived standard, or for simply disagreeing.

      What Hoagie is trying to say is, the more you can pull them in without effort, the more demonstrably alpha you are. Try-hard is beta, effortless magnetism is alpha, with many acceptable gradations between. Likewise, asocial isolation is omega, fear is beta, and directness is the alpha. You can imagine making a beeline or staying put to be alpha or beta or omega depending on the circumstances.

      The principle here is aloofness. Or as pantyfx says below, liberation from “outcome dependency” by simply ceasing to give a shit. If you have preemptive desire, kill it. Tao of Steve, Article I: Be desireless. Women smell want — or even worse, need — like they smell your BO. You can hardly cover it up with cologne, and the most beautiful girls are used to waves and waves of sweaty chump-stink coming at them. So used to it that the odor eventually becomes indistinguishable from background smells, like the stench of hot shit in a fourth-world equatorial African hellhole. Alpha aloofness is an ablution that scrubs you clean of your telltale smell-trail. Since there is only so much you can do to conceal your desires — bodies don’t lie — rather than hide them, learn how to extract them, wash them away.

      Your little disagreement has something in common: you’re both missing the forest while arguing over the trees. Once again, controversy over minutiae and no concern for essence.

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  32. on February 17, 2012 at 9:13 am Anonymous

    Good post. I’m guilty of all of these, to some degree or another. Definitely good learning experiences.

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  33. on February 17, 2012 at 9:53 am Anonymous

    There are literally MILLIONS of single women thus chances. What worked for me was to understand that and go “relentless”. Just blast it out there devil may care to the multitudes or the quality of what you bring.

    The result, for me, was do completly desensitize me to rejection thus allowing me to then settle into a truly “I dont give a fuck” permanent mind set.

    The next thing was to learn to “bag up”. Bag what I could then put it in a stable then gradually improve the quality of the ponies in the barn. For every new and better one I put in a worse one got shown the door.

    The trick is never stop the talent search but keep some stink on your junk.

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    • on February 17, 2012 at 12:09 pm Mukluk

      Getting laid is a virtuous cycle. Several good things happen on your next interactions: you feel less approach anxiety, less apprehension in the “red zone”, less results-orientation. It’s incremental, though. Getting laid once won’t make you James Bond. Once you get a good rhythm going in terms of getting laid, though, you will basically be bullet-proof and immune to rejection.

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  34. on February 17, 2012 at 11:29 am Graham

    I used to crush a lot of puppies. When I bring that up with girls it’s like things go from bad to worse. Am I overgaming?

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    • on February 18, 2012 at 2:04 am uh

      Amateur. I used to strangle cats.

      TAG-TEAM SADIST GAME!!!

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  35. on February 17, 2012 at 12:37 pm 20th Level

    If you don’t have a sack full of hilarious stories about how spectacularly and brutally various chicks have shot you down you’re doing it wrong.

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  36. on February 17, 2012 at 1:09 pm pantyfx

    20th level has a point.

    I never go out and open sets to just open sets. I go out to cause trouble. A lot of the time to me a set just isn’t worth opening, but is certainly worth engaging in a conversation in.

    The one I find myself slipping with is being very outcome dependent. I was replaying a set I opened last night and I realized there were a lot of “not losing” thoughts in my conversation, and very little actual winning being done. Just something to look at, if you are there for any reason but to be in the moment that reason should be to find a way back into the moment.

    Outcome dependency is the anathema of victory.

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  37. on February 17, 2012 at 3:01 pm Stark

    I actually started practicing a pretty while ago, over a year I think.
    Back than it wasn’t just about girls, but about self esteem and social connections, I was clinically depressed so I didn’t see pickup just as a way to get women, but also as a way to practice social skills.

    After a while, I realized that by focusing on pickup, while having these problems, I just send myself into being angry with myself, it’s not that I was bad, just inconsistent.

    So I decided to just work on being Alpha-er about anything, I sent myself a lot more outside of my comfort zone, tried hanging out with different pepole etc etc.

    Right now i’m studying in university, i’ve gone from a pretty shy guy who never talks or making jokes during class, in highschool, that never understood why would any girl be attracted to him (although some, and actually really hot girls, did, I thought they were trying to fool me, ot just didn’t read the signs), to a guy who’s considered by many as a prime douchebag, who always take and never give, with plenty of girls sending me constant IOIs, including the hotest girl on campus, and I just think it’s great.

    Even with all that, i’m still a virgin, I have AA etc etc, but in a few weeks i’ll have a lot more free time, and I know i’ll go out 3+ times a week to sarge, i’ve worked my inner game to probably the highest it can get without actually doing pickup proper, and now if i’m going to train, I just know i’ll be amazing.

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 12:10 am Oneal

      Wow you sound like me.

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  38. on February 17, 2012 at 3:32 pm Anonymous

    The cure to all of these and 80% of what is important in game can summed up in these 3 words:

    Don’t Give a Fuck

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 1:27 am corvinus

      Only 80%?

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 8:45 pm tom

      4 words?

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  39. on February 17, 2012 at 3:45 pm anonymous

    http://imgur.com/a/r5kEb

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  40. on February 17, 2012 at 5:45 pm blert

    Clint Eastwood famously changed his character for Sergio Leone in “A Fistfull of Dollars” — by cutting out 80% of the original dialog. (!)

    He stated that too much talk destroyed mystery.

    (!)

    ——-

    But mystery is the ultimate chic-nip.

    Why else gossip all of the time?

    ——-

    In the Godfather saga the essence of the character is the power that goes with his mysterious secret knowledge.

    ——-

    Every gal knows that her best chance at opening up your soul is in bed.

    So give the babes something to hustle for.

    ALWAYS have secrets that ONLY a lover may know.

    Which is on par with having her strip to see your inner sanctum: the bedroom.

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 10:20 am uh

      A+

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  41. on February 17, 2012 at 5:48 pm College Grad

    It’s seriously hard to believe that some people out there don’t think game works, especially girls. The girl I’m dating claims her ex was a “dating coach” for some PUA community down here in Florida. After joking briefly with her about Mystery and popular routines, she says, “Yea that stuff works on some girls, but not all.” Naturally, she’s “an exception.” So I engage (couldn’t help it)…

    “Oh yea, and what do you look for in a guy?”

    “Well, not money or looks, that stuffs not important to me. I guess like if he makes me laugh, is fun, but most importantly if we vibe you know.”

    “What does that mean, if you vibe?”

    “Like if I feel a connection to him and he’s easy to be around.”

    I just chuckled.

    Thank you for this blog, before I would have accepted that answer.

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 6:06 pm Ovid

      It is hard to believe. And since seeing is believing, see this:

      http://www.seductionmyth.com/

      Pathetic.

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  42. on February 17, 2012 at 6:22 pm Anonymous

    “Game is not a hammer; it’s a scalpel. Use it as such.”

    Fucking gold!

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  43. on February 17, 2012 at 8:25 pm Paul Canter

    You also have to realize that a man’s sexual peak can come anytime from age 16 to age 60. While a woman’s peak is limited to 18-24, with significant drop off at 30, and crashing and burning at 40. You see guys in their 50s with chicks 15-20 years younger all the time. Don’t panic in your 20s and attach yourself to the first pussy that comes along.

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  44. on February 17, 2012 at 9:00 pm Flavia

    OKOK I know this is totally dude talk and I shouldn’t be here but “Overplayed Hand Syndrome” is really good advice. A neg is supposed to be playful and timed right- if you come off bitter and mean it just makes you seem….well bitter and mean. I knew one guy (a friend that I knew liked me) that in retrospect was probably learning game- but in an effort to “game” me ended up saying really rude stuff OUT OF THE BLUE that totally turned me off (“You’re funny looking”; “Your eyes and mouth are huge, it’s weird”). I wasn’t turned on…I was just like- “Why would you say stuff like that?”.

    He came off bitter and maybe he was- those guys come off as weak btw…because it shows that “we” got to you. And before you say if I remember what he said, it must have taken effect…NO. Mean things stick too.

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 12:03 pm itsme

      those weren’t negs, they were insults, that’s why you were turned off.

      a neg is a backhanded compliment, like ‘you clean up nicely’. of course, there are different degrees of neg intensity as well.

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 2:09 pm Flavia

        Right! Maybe he did hate me. A good neg that girls use to each other is “Your makeup looks so pretty!!”

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  45. on February 17, 2012 at 11:38 pm totalesturns

    Off-topic but hilarious:

    A professor of feminist theory asks, “Why does Valentine’s Day make me cry?”

    http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/why-does-valentines-day-make-me-cry/43996

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  46. on February 18, 2012 at 2:03 am uh

    Interracial marriage in US hits new high: 1 in 12
    ‘America still has a long way to go,’ Cornell University professor says

    In other news:

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/12/27/larger-monkey-groups-lose-fights-because-they-contain-more-deserters/

    Rather than taking strength in the fact that they outnumbered their foes, the monkeys realised that they could afford to cheat. In larger groups, each monkey has a proportionately smaller effect on the outcome of the fight, so each is more likely to desert the battle altogether. If enough do so, the big group can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. In fact, Crofoot and Gilby found that for every extra group member, the odds that any individual will become a turncoat go up by 25 percent!

    As before, location matters: monkeys were almost twice as likely to flee at the edge of their territory as at its centre. When they decide whether to fight or flee, they factor in both where they are and how many friends they have.

    The upshot of this is that capuchin territories are remarkably stable. Even though competition is fierce, the monkeys have a natural home-field advantage. When they’re defending the centre of their home ranges, they’re better at converting any numerical advantage into victory. When they’re far from home, and encroaching into another group’s range, even a large force soon loses its advantage as its members flee. This also explains why large groups don’t simply sweep through the jungle, displacing or killing smaller ones on their way.

    Such studies could also inform our behaviour today. The dilemma faced by large groups of monkeys is one that we should all be familiar with. We are facing a multitude of big problems, including a changing climate, a massive loss of other species, and plummeting levels of valuable resources. These problems affect such large groups of people that there are good odds that any one individual will bow out of the fight. If enough do so, defeat will be assured.

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  47. on February 18, 2012 at 2:22 am nobull

    Fumble in the red zone? Where indeed, did it go wrong? I’m sure most of us have done this (I have). But we need to make proper sense of it. It does not make sense that a woman’s desire for a man can be so easily flipped on the basis of his failing to stike while the iron was hot. Are women really this unforgiving and stupid? I don’t think they are. Men and women inhabit very different universes, where women are easily removed from the market, thus reducing supply, thus creating the illusion that they are choosy, clever, picky, intelligent and astute decision-makers. But the reality is that they’re nothing of the sort. The reality is that they are easily removed from the market, creating a shortage in supply and an excess in demand. If you don’t strike while the iron is hot, she might be embarassed and maybe even hurt. She might think that you’ve slotted her into the friend zone. She might begin to reconsider her ex. Her auto-spook response might kick in at least for a little while, and she might make things difficult for you. But your failure to strike while the iron was hot is not sufficient, in and of itself, to sever everything.

    None of these reactions on her part really matter. What really matters is her easy removal from the market. If you don’t stake your claim while the iron is hot, someone else will (exes have a habit of coming back into the picture at the most inopportune times). The only reason that she will steadfastly refuse to reply to your emails – presuming that she’s heard nothing negative about you from her friends or that you’ve done nothing to grosse her out – is that she has been removed from the market. In this sort of scenario, it is a mistake to assume that you’ve messed up somewhere in your execution of game… your only mistake was hers – if she’s so easily removed from the market, did you really want her anyways?

    Oh yes, there’s another element, too (again, something else I’ve done). Sometimes a woman might inadvertently find herself in a context in which she is highly aroused, but these contexts don’t come by very often. If you don’t strike while the iron is hot, it’s an opportunity you may not get again. In one such opportunity that I passed up, I naively thought I’d be able to recreate it when it better suited me, but it wasn’t to be. Women are creatures of context and impulse, and a woman’s self-beliefs about being moral, honorable, blah, blah, amount to naught when you harness that writhing, sweaty, hungry beast within that craves to be taken and sullied. I suspect it has something to do with their cycle, time of month, etc. If you encounter this kind of opportunity, take it, even if you suspect that she’s really “not that kind of girl”… do her the favor… better it be you than some lesser troglodyte when she next encounters “the mood”. Her mood should always take precedence over yours – otherwise YOU will be the one that misses out (some of the hard lessons in life).

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  48. on February 18, 2012 at 5:39 am some guy

    you nailed it

    good set of keys

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  49. on February 18, 2012 at 8:56 am a girl

    did dr. seuss write this one?

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  50. on February 18, 2012 at 12:05 pm Anonymous

    Daniel Lichter, sociology professor at Cornell, sounds very happy about this. But we’re not there yet! http://t.co/SD1NjcT9 2 days ago
    >>>

    You can talk game shit to death, but when the rubber hits the road, ethnic matching is king in LTR and marriage. Did you notice the note in the article about that inter-ethnic marriage had a higher divorce rate? These are often SWPL’s who divorce less? Asian/white for example. Yes, inter-religious/racial marriages are an F-N disaster. Italian? Date Italian women. Mother will love you and she’ll make you pasta! Jewish, date jewish, and maybe you’ll be the first boyfriend she doesn’t incessantly nag about. Irish, date Irish and get drunk with pops. So let it be written, so let it be done.

    This topic is huge, and IGNORED.

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  51. on February 18, 2012 at 4:04 pm Gramps

    Our blog host always likes it when new “research” supports his beliefs.

    Here is a link to a NY Times article about single middle class white mothers in Ohio.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/us/for-women-under-30-most-births-occur-outside-marriage.html?_r=1&ref=us

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/us/young-mothers-describe-marriages-fading-allure.html?ref=us

    http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/02/19/us/LORAIN.html

    To say this supports our blog host’s views would be an understatement.

    Note that the article seems to blame men for the fact that they are unmarried and with child. Well, men are always at fault in any situation. If we are richer than women, it is unfair. If we are poorer we are lazy good for nothings. In this Ohio town, the men aren’t worth marrying or they don’t hang around. I guess they never heard of birth control. No mention of whether the women are worth marrying [obviously not] (There is a slide show, too, on this article. I think a picture is worth a 1000 words.) and, if they are, what benefits accrue to the man who gets married in this situation [none].

    I am sure Great Books for Men will blame the govt because they support these women. He may have a point.

    Anyhow, the message is clear. One thing is good. No mention of any white knights. Maybe men are wising up.

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  52. on February 18, 2012 at 5:10 pm Fox

    I know most, if not all of these college age chicks have done some really whorish and sometimes freaky shit in the bedroom. That said, whenever I walk into a bar I take them all and mentally place them at the Bunny Ranch in Nevada. You know the one where they ring the bell and the whores line up waiting for the guy to pick one out. Works like a charm, slaps the beta right outta ya. You ain’t gonna buy one of those whores (in NV) a drink are ya?

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  53. on February 18, 2012 at 6:01 pm PermanentGuest

    The common denominator in all of these syndromes is the element of self-doubt. It’s tough to have to accept your new attitude completely virtually overnight. You can overcome this doubt by just ‘being,’ accepting that your outlook is different and that any outcome has no bearing on who you really are.

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  54. on February 18, 2012 at 7:35 pm Bwana Simba

    I have always wondered, is slapping/ pushing/ using physical force against a woman an alpha move or a beta move?

    Here’s my thinking: Chris Brown likes to show his pimp hand to Rihanna and women (including Rihanna) just ate it up. There were posts on Twitter from women who said things like “I’d let Chris Brown beat me.” Also, Rihanna always went crawling back to him. Likewise, the vast majority of women in truly abusive relationships never leave their man and certainly don’t ever call the police or file a report on them, while quite a few kind, sensitive and compassionate nice guys get cheated on and divorced whenever the mood strikes their wife/ girlfriend.

    Also, one time in church I was walking through the aisles and there was a group of women who were standing in my way. I was in a foul mood that day so I roared out to the ladies “Move!”, startling them. I got impatient and pushed/ guided with one hand one of the women who was in my way as I said this. Somehow this became I “laid my hands” on one of the girls (several of the white knights there interpreted it to mean I smacked her and thought I had physically abused her for daring to a lay a hand on a saintly woman). Shortly afterwards I got a bunch of apologies from women with princess attitudes apologizing for the most random crap, most of which I had forgotten had even happened (example: I swiped one girl’s hat for kicks and she apologized for getting mad at me for that). Needless to say I got the sensitivity talk from a lot of white knights, (I refused to give an apology).

    So is it the context that makes it an alpha move, e.g. Chris Brown is alpha so he can do whatever he wants. Or is it the fact that I threw chivalry out the window and behaved like a “thug” that made me have an alpha moment? Also, would it depend upon the level of emotion behind said physical force as well?

    I have always wondered about using physical force against a woman because I have never seen a book or website on game talk about this.

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    • on February 21, 2012 at 8:18 am xsplat

      I think you’ll find this is something you’ll have to figure out for yourself. Very few men will talk about their personal experiences with this, especially on a public forum.

      You can learn the most general vague principles, but mostly it’s down to your own powers of observation and life experiences.

      Generally, the world does not work the way we are told. There is such a thing as appropriate violence, and no one will tell you, or even be able to tell you, what that is.

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  55. on February 18, 2012 at 8:06 pm aaron@theinternet.com

    Basically don’t be spongebob

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  56. on February 18, 2012 at 9:43 pm Bobasfetts

    What if you apologise to a girl and she storms off and breaks shit? Happened to me on the weekend. The fuck!?

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 12:16 pm itsme

      lesson learned – never apologize.

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 1:15 pm James

      Don’t apologize to a girl.

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 10:48 pm Bobasfetts

        Yep, definitely learned.

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  57. on February 18, 2012 at 11:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    Just remember ho;s in the states have been programmed by the media to be all fucked up.
    Get real actual woman from other countries.

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  58. on February 19, 2012 at 12:14 am Paradise World

    This story makes me laugh now that I think back on it.

    We were leaving a bar and she was decently inebriated. I had to catch my train. We hugged, said our goodbyes, and then she said “make sure you let me know if you miss your train!”

    lolol.

    We’re still in touch so I want another shot.

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  59. on February 19, 2012 at 12:28 am Mast Vajority

    Id like to poll peoples thoughts on something that happened to me recently.

    Details aside, there was a girl i was pursuing, trying to game, ultimately lost my edge, and was getting snubbed…yesterday to find out shes dating some guy.

    I braced myself along the way to not feel slighted if it didnt pan out, so it stung very briefly, and on that same evening me and a mutual friend went to her place. The fact that i had more or less accepted it put me in a state of true indifference, and the whole night i was alpha as shit, making them laugh, getting solid interest from everyone. It was a good nigh, and i was calmer and more controlled with her than ever.

    I’m a guitarist, and they had an acoustic lying around (a first) and i strummed a bit, knowing full well that it would be intriguing, as none of them know my skill level.

    So heres the main part.

    She texts me the next night (tonight) and says quote: “I’m impressed with your guitar skills”.

    I waited an hour.

    then wrote.

    “just you wait babe”

    Because i have a very well recorded album that will be finished and uploaded onto facebook for full view in the near future. She doesnt know anything about it, and it will impress the shit outta her if noodling for two seconds in her living room did.

    I figure, who cares. shes fucking some dude, and i sincerely felt confident about saying that. I could have engaged her thanking her and trying to further impress her in some way, but i kept thinking that i have nothing to lose by cockily asserting myself, because at the end of the day, shes gonna suck that guys dick regardless of what i say, until they break up.

    I dont want advice about her, i am not pursuing it…i just want feedback about your thoughts on my attitude and response.

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 1:02 pm Sidewinder

      Fellow guitarist here. Well acquainted with the instrument’s magic with college-age white girls. Sounds like you handled yourself really well that night, and you have good self-awareness in noting how your indifferent state led to your success.

      That being said, your text response was terrible IMO. (keep in mind this is all my opinion and I’m higher beta/lesser alpha). Don’t call a girl that passed you over babe. don’t acknowledge that you care what her opinion of your skills are, unless she’s also a musician of some talent. “just you wait”…what is she to make of that? She has no idea what that is referring to, and what are you doing to do, follow up with an approval-seeking link to your new album or whatever? You already got her to bite on your musical skills. Over-emphasizing it appears needy and try hard to me. Casually dropping that you have an album on the way would be a good conversation piece, WHILE YOU ARE OUT WITH THIS GIRL, which leads to my final criticism: what did you accomplish with that text?

      I think you are right to have low expectations because she’s with someone else, but she sent you an unsolicited text. That is at least an indication that she is reconsidering her prior evaluation of you. I think she’s also fishing to make sure that she still has power over you, which you immediately revealed by calling her babe and promising to impress her further. She set herself up for a strong neg, and you failed to deliver. It was good that you waited to respond. You could possibly save yourself if she brings up your response sometime by blowing it off, claiming not to remember it “I don’t remember what I texted. I was out grabbing a drink with a friend when I noticed you texted…”

      Basically, if it were me, I would have used her opening to neg her, up my own value, and to demonstrate disinterest/indifference towards her. somethign along the lines of “you don’t strike me as the type that likes music”. Unless she’s a prole, she likes music and thinks of herself as having great taste in music. she’d respond with either a “why do you think that?” or “are you kidding? I love music. why do you think that?” Then you neg some more, make some joke about her being the type that likes justin bieber or something, i don’t know. The point is, play the game. She invited you to play and you demonstrated that you are still in love with her (low value), that you are seeking to impress her (low value), and that you’re too unsure of yourself on your own merits to engage her in some playful back and forth. It was a missed opportunity.

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 3:24 pm Mast Vajority

        To sidewinder. Thanks for your reply. I had some similar thoughts. My mentality was such that i was very non outcome dependent, and the arrogance i truly felt maybe could have been lost through the medium of texting. It was, “just you wait, you haven’t seen shit”…not “please wait so i can impress you further”.

        But that could be misconstrued through text….eh.

        Also, i knew she would not understand it. I was self consciously playing a mystery angle. At the time, i felt very unmotivated to engage her and felt that aside from having nothing to lose, i really had nothing to GAIN. I have no moral qulams snaking a girl from a guy, but i just don’t want to compete. If my attention while she was single wasnt workin, then all the worse while shes straddlin some dude….that was my thought.

        I’m not so sure i revealed that i am, or was still in love with her. I legitimately am not and have not been, although she is a very cool girl (foreign, very sweet). I acknowledge your point though, women will lump you into that category without remorse.

        To answer what i was planning on getting out of this, I was beyond the point of being concerned with what she thinks, and even before sending, had commited that i would not be re-initiating contact. If she has interest in staying in contact, it will be on my terms. As far as the facebook thing, she looks at my page, Im positive. So, no, my plan (independent of her, i had this in mind much earlier) is to just post the first tune and let people bite. She’ll hear it, and if my music skills impressed her that night, the songs are guarenteed…if not i’ll have other prospects. The motivation for sharing my music is not related to women, although i fully acknowledge its power to heighten my value, as it is my passion and a large part of my identity. ya know?

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      • on February 20, 2012 at 4:30 pm Mast Vajority

        Another thought. Open for anyone here to interpret. Here’s my logic.

        Sequence of events:

        1.) A cocky “you aint seen shit” comment,

        2.) Zero contact

        3.) A large DHV, by posting my music. (to my own wall on FB, not individual requests, therby indirect)

        4.) Blowing her off when and if (im leaninig towards when) she expresses admiration.

        5.) Smirking.

        All of this in the context of her (until further notice) having a boyfriend, who is most definitely boning her. Seems low investment and strategic to me.
        I reason that my comment will snap into sharp focus once i execute all this.

        About 4 years ago i had a MySpace page with GREATLY inferior music posted. I had no time for the amount of women and people in general that wanted to get a piece of me. The leverage i had in my personal life was excellent. I don’t want to sound overly arrogant, because people are impressed with even the most mediocre bands and artists if they are passionate and displaying their work. Once i stopped posting new work, enthusiasm died.

        Maybe this adds context to my text.

        Anyone follow my logic here or am i misguided.

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      • on February 22, 2012 at 11:55 am Sidewinder

        My thoughts on this strategy:

        1.) Water under the bridge.
        2.) Your only choice at this point in light of 1.
        3.) Agree completely with this.
        4.) Disagree. IF she bites again, you have to engage her this time instead of punting.
        5.) Smirking to who and when?

        My advice would be not to worry about your past comment, so don’t construct a strategy based on getting anything further from your past text. She won’t remember it most likely (hopefully). Give yourself more credit, she is evaluating you. I agree that its not worth your time to pursue her, but if she throws more interest at you, don’t punt. Call her out.

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      • on February 23, 2012 at 11:07 pm Mast Vajority

        The smirking was to myself. Gotta enjoy a good smirk sometimes. she hit me up tonight and invited me for game night..I’m mystified. I’m not going, i have a cold and beat from work. Any thoughts?

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      • on February 23, 2012 at 11:15 pm Mast Vajority

        Heartiste. Im not sure if you read most comments, but this thread is gonna take over a day to get a response. Could you give me a short bit of advice man? Fuck im sick of doing the wrong thing.

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      • on February 24, 2012 at 12:26 pm Sidewinder

        If you’re not going to be 100%, it wouldn’t be terrible to punt on this one. You won’t have authentic indifferent frame if you are dragging yourself out there because she asked. She might respond with a shit test, calling you out. Don’t back down off your decision not to go out tonight, but have something in mind to escalate. For example, something that you two would do together, outside of the larger social group.

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      • on February 24, 2012 at 6:49 pm Mast Vajority

        well anyway i dont wanna beat this to death but ill tell you what happened. First off she invited me but its unclear whether it was a mass text or not. She wrote “Ya’ll wanna play some cranium”. A game, obviously. We usually hang out with my buddy who introduced us, so it could have been a text sent to me, him and maybe another.

        Either way i responded 40 mins later with “depends.” and left it at that.

        I figured if she bit and said “on what?” i could say something like

        “do you feel like being embarassed by my skills?” or along those lines.

        I thought about politely excusing myself ( i wasnt gonna go) and saying i was busy, but everything that came into my head sounded beta. I figured if she didnt respond, it could plausibly sound like “depends, i’m not sure what im doing tonight”

        She ultimately didnt respond, which hasn’t been a death knoll so far (she still hits me up) so i’m not displeased. It seems like i regret my choices with texting or speaking only when i overshoot, rarely if ever when im vague.

        Succesfully set up something with a former fuck bud for saturday night (flake is always possible), and another much hotter girl for next weekend so im keepin busy. One small note, i used Roosh’s text game guidelines for setting up both dates, and it was very smooth. Basically regulating response times, and keeping it logistical and boring. worth mentioning to others.

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    • on February 21, 2012 at 3:18 am walawala

      Her: “I’m impressed with your guitar skills”

      You: “I get that a lot…”

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      • on February 21, 2012 at 11:47 am Anonymous

        later thought could have said something about charging her for the performance. Eh fuck her.

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    • on February 21, 2012 at 11:43 am uh

      cunt: “i’m impressed with your guitar skills.”

      you: “orpheus is my wing-man.”

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      • on February 21, 2012 at 7:57 pm Anonymous

        you think its salvagable?

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      • on February 21, 2012 at 11:45 pm uh

        Fuck no. You’re a retard for even thinking that way. GFTOG!

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      • on February 22, 2012 at 4:06 pm Mast Vajority

        spoken like a true poet. Thank you for your wisdom.

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      • on February 23, 2012 at 11:01 pm Mast Vajority

        Well she just invited me over to her place (game night with others). Yo Heartiste can I get some fuckin advice here? I want advice from someone who i believe knows what they’re talkin about. Do i blow her off?

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  60. on February 19, 2012 at 5:05 am Linkage is Good for You: Week of February 19, 2012

    […] “Fail City“, “If You’re Rich…”Heartiste – “Common Mistakes You Will Make While Learning Game”Danny from 504 – “Carnival Time”White Raven – “Marriage 2.0 and […]

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  61. on February 19, 2012 at 11:27 am Roy Rhinestone

    Alpha or Omega? (see link) I’m pretty sure he’s an Omega?

    http://seanthesorcerer.blogspot.com/2011/10/enter-sorcerer.html

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 9:34 pm James

      Heh. He’s probably a fellow gamma.

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  62. on February 19, 2012 at 6:50 pm Adam

    Korean woman curses out and hits her boyfriend in public.

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  63. on February 19, 2012 at 7:04 pm Plumnuts

    Not directly related but pretty interesting stuff nonetheless, particularly coming out of a country like Norway. Science vs. social engineering :

    Episode 1 – ”The Gender Equality Paradox” http://vimeo.com/19707588

    Episode 2 – ”The Parental Effect” http://vimeo.com/19893826

    Episode 3 – ”Gay/straight” http://vimeo.com/19869748

    Episode 4 – ”Violence” http://vimeo.com/19921232

    Episode 5 – ”Sex” http://vimeo.com/19921928

    Episode 6 – ”Race” http://vimeo.com/19922972

    Episode 7 – ”Nature or Nurture” http://vimeo.com/19889788

    The audio is in norwegian and you’ll need to type in ” hjernevask ” at the password prompt, no idea why.

    Apologies for the link scrawl, I’ve no idea how to add links as hyperlinked text…

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 9:47 pm Laconophile

      Great videos. Thanks for posting them.

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      • on February 21, 2012 at 8:59 pm Plumnuts

        You’re welcome. The parts at the end of each documentary were comical when he asks the social-science types what they make of hard scientific research into biology, and they either deny that biology is relevant to studies on society or go into a royal mumble meltdown. It’s ridiculous that policy can be informed by these charlatans.

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  64. on February 19, 2012 at 7:25 pm Maciano

    Off-Topic:

    Anybody heard this song?

    Lloyd feat. Andre 3000 – Dedication to my ex (miss that)

    I expected some beta love song. But hell no, he just misses the pussy.

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  65. on February 20, 2012 at 1:51 am wizardcorpse.

    this is a very nice post

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  66. on February 20, 2012 at 11:10 am Rey

    something for your “chicks dig jerks” series: http://www.epicfail.com/2012/02/13/chris-brown-tweets-fail/

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  67. on February 20, 2012 at 11:26 am McManus

    “Say Anthing Stupid Syndrome” is about the only mistake listed here that I’m NOT making. Using silence to both “flip the script” and gauge her interest worked incredibly well for me recently.

    Even though the chick in question and I had a lot in common, I found that I often had nothing to say to her, especially on our first date. There were literally five “awkward silences” alone in the first hour or so. In the past, I would have spared a chick the awkwardness, instead of letting her re-start the conversation …which she did,every single time, each time with a note of humility in her demeanor.

    Her effort convinced me to insist on picking up the tab for our drinks — the only thing I’ve paid for, and plan to finance, for quite some time — and encouraged me to “calibrate,” specifically dampen my cockiness, so as to ensure a second date. I got that follow-up, and after only a round of drinks, sex.

    Thanks for the wise words, Heartiste.

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  68. on February 20, 2012 at 11:49 am Anthrax

    Waaaaay too much work to keep all those things in mind and double-checking your behavior. No wonder people say Game is nonsense.

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 2:47 pm itsme

      +1

      just be yourself and you will get laid like there’s no tomorrow.

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    • on February 21, 2012 at 12:58 am driveallnight

      So sayeth the Star Wars nerd….

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      • on February 21, 2012 at 4:42 pm Anthrax

        My point exactly. Those who say it’s nonsense do it because they can’t be assed to do the amount of work it takes.

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  69. on February 20, 2012 at 12:25 pm King A

    Re: Heartiste’s tweet:

    “Social networks do best when they tap into one of the seven deadly sins. Facebook is ego. LinkedIn is greed. http://t.co/WTwW0cm2 1 day ago

    It’s a quibble, but ego and vanity (or for that matter, narcissism) aren’t among St. Gregory the Great’s official seven. The nearest analogue is pride/superbia, which is something different and much bigger than simple self-regard. “Ego” is a Freudian euphemism inadequate to the scope of sin.

    Pride is better rendered as hubris, a contempt for God and the universe that is much more than vanity. Hubris is at the root of all rebellion, even the quixotic rebellion against the impossible, facts of life against which one can never successfully rebel — like a tranny declaring himself a woman just because he says so. (Who are you again, Lola, whose thoughts are more reality-defining than what hangs between your legs?) Pride begins with the false thrill of revolution but always ends in unconscious self-mockery. “… goeth before a fall,” and all that.

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  70. on February 20, 2012 at 12:41 pm Sidewinder

    Intermediate level question – Arrogance

    After banging 8.5 21 year-old, she asks “were you in a frat?” I ask why she wants to know, and with a smile she says “because you’re arrogant.” While smiling, she goes on to tell me how arrogant I am, including mocking the way I walk. This turns into fun wrestling around before she leaves. It should be noted that while I’ve gamed this girl decently well, I haven’t been overly arrogant and she’s never indicated that i’m arrogant before.

    Arrogance is one of the elements of the dark triad, right? I’m not concerned that this is a red flag or even a negative at all, but what is she communicating with this statement? On the positive side, it appears that she feels the need to try to knock me down a few notches, which recognizes her perception of my higher value. But could there be potential concerns brewing beneath the surface with this statement?

    I only ask because she is great in the sack and would like to continue hitting it.

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 2:52 pm john

      If you can “hit” a 21 yr old 8.5,why are you so concerned about her comment? Cant you find another hottie? BETA!!!!Ha ha ha crybaby!!I wonder what she weighs…

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      • on February 21, 2012 at 12:45 pm Sidewinder

        104 lbs. Hottest girl i’ve ever slept with.

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 4:07 pm Mast Vajority

      My turn.

      Sounds like shes just pleased with your arrogant attitude. In my experience, maintaining a sexual relationship is the easiest and least complicated aspect of dealing with women. If you’re slammin her, the only thing you need to worry about is rationing your approval, and rationing your time. And banging her like theres no tommorow.

      One of the maxims in the 16 commandments (i feel like a religious follower, kudos heartiste!) is the 2/3 rule. Every three texts, you send two. Every three shows of affection you give two. On and on. You say you aren’t worried about the possibility of it being potentially negative, but you contradict yourself at the end by questioning if it could be potentially a bad thing.

      Don’t let your reflection on her behavior get out of hand, or you will second guess things and nurture a mentality that will drive her to new and novel shlong.

      Stay strong, stay indifferent, stay pursuing other women and the attitude that will keep her moist will manifest without effort.

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      • on February 22, 2012 at 10:38 am Sidewinder

        This is where I get confused. Your advice is to maintain alpha hand…reinforce that my value is higher than hers. But others have suggested that this is a cue to give her more beta and be more emotionally accessible to her. In fact, when first gaming this girl, Heartiste himself suggested that I back off the alpha and give her cues that I was attainable (I’m 35 and she’s 21).

        I think there must be a fine line between beta neediness, and emotional pair-bonding. After sexing a girl for a month or so, they start looking for the latter, and I could be wrong, but I don’t think it wise to reject those invitations. Maybe that’s oneitis, but I can’t really think of any way to artificially keep this girl at arm’s length for months on end. She’s giving up her sex, and she wants security. A relationship of any kind, with either sex, can’t be one-sided. Both participants to the relationship have to feel that they are getting something out of it.

        I think her “arrogant” comment was a request for reassurance that she had some power in the relationship; i.e. that I care what she thinks of me. Of course I didn’t knee-jerk give her that reassurance on a silver platter in response to that comment, but I have signalled my interest in her in other ways.

        It’s a tough balancing act, finding an alpha way to communicate security and emotional pair-bonding. But the fact is, girls are only ovulating 15% of the time, and most of the time you spend with them you aren’t having sex with them, so aloof, indifferent asshole game has to eventually evolve into something she feels is worth taking her pussy off the market for.

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      • on February 22, 2012 at 4:03 pm Mast Vajority

        I disagree, i think if you can sincerely maintain aloof indifference, you will always have hand. Somebody else said exactly what i did, about not nurturing this mentality.

        All analysis aside, there are fundamental, objective truths about successfully relating to women. And one of those truths is repeated endlessly here, and has been corroborated by my experience. That when you start to tailspin into analysis, you have lost power.

        Look at it this way. This is another thing i’m starting to really grasp. Yes the balance of power can shift a tad back and forth, but by and large, ONE person is governing the relationship, and therefore has hand. The way to maintain a woman’s interest and commitment, is to always be on the high side of that see-saw. Whoever cares less, has the power. There’s very little lee-way with this one.

        One of you has hand. Its always that way. When SHE starts to get that control, she will become bored, flaky, irritating and seek someone who will make her feel delightfully inferior, once again.

        Women’s pleas for commitment, blah-dee-blah, are 90% subconscious attempts to see if you bow to her whims. When you consistently do so, your heading for heartache and a break up. If you’re going to pepper beta-provider treats into this mix (coming to Whole Foods soon!), do so on your terms and not hers (meaning in reaction to direct/indirect pleas for commitment).

        Point its, don’t allow yourself to go down the road of analyzing endlessly and being concerned with the state of things.

        And the fail safe way of doing this is to have legitimate back up options in the form of other women. Yet another common theme here, and one that i have had verifiable experience with.

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 9:20 pm Laconophile

      Sounds like a shit test. Don’t be moved, she was trying to see whether your “arrogance” was secure/disinterested or not.

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    • on February 20, 2012 at 9:37 pm James

      She probably thinks you’re too good for her, hence the trying to knock you down a few notches. I’d throw in a bit more beta.

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    • on February 21, 2012 at 12:04 pm itsme

      she’s 21, which makes her 4 in man years. the only response she deserves to her ‘you’re arrogant’ comment is a smirk.

      I only ask because she is great in the sack and would like to continue hitting it.

      careful, this is the first step towards the chasm of oneitis.

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  71. on February 20, 2012 at 2:42 pm Like a G-6

    CHATEAU:

    What are your thoughts on environmental chemical exposure to xenoestrogen compounds such as Bisphenol-A in regards to beta (or less) behaviors, attitudes, and mannerisms?

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/love-sex-and-babies/201201/bpa-and-the-single-spacey-sex-starved-male

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  72. on February 20, 2012 at 3:18 pm x2d4d

    re: CH tweet: Dark Side of Game: http://imgur.com/a/r5kEb

    Check out the mis-text at 12/4 6:05 AM.

    How much you want to bet “Mike” is LJBF?

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    • on February 21, 2012 at 11:49 am guy

      I thought the “mis-texts” were clearly intentional and meant to stir up jealousy in the guy.

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  73. on February 20, 2012 at 3:47 pm Polish

    I was at a wedding this weekend. I became reacquainted with a girl I grew up with. Our family’s were close friends growing up and still are. She now lives 2 hours away. I am positive she likes me, she was laughing at my jokes, playing with her hair and even defended me when someone else was being rude to me. There was definite eye contact from across the room several times. I had no intention of trying to bed her that night nor did I attempt to. It’s not my style. Instead, I was talking with absolutely everyone at the wedding, dancing, laughing, and I lost myself in the revelry of the evening. I sent her a message on Facebook the next day basically saying it was great to see her and when she’s in my neck of the woods again, I want to get together, so what’s your phone number? Basically, this is a girl I would like to date a few times to see if there is a connection. She is 29. I would call her an 8. A straightforward approach like simply asking for her number and a date is the correct approach at this point, right? Since she is 2 hours away, once I get her number, is it a no-no to suggest that I drive to her, rather than her to me, for a date?

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    • on February 21, 2012 at 1:26 pm corvinus

      Did you get her number? It’s always best if they come to you. If she likes you, she’ll help you; it’s possible to make dates using Facebook chat if she’s open to talking to you, and to use the number just for texting. But there’s no need to rush things; she’s not moving across the country.

      The problem here, as I see it, is that she’s out of town. I find that unless she invites you to something, it’s extremely difficult to get together with an out-of-town woman. Which is why my own woman-related activity is confined to those who are living in my own town.

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  74. on February 20, 2012 at 5:26 pm Snoeperd

    Salon writers complain and hypothesize why female musicians don’t have groupies….
    salon.com/2011/02/22/neko_case_male_groupies/

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  75. on February 20, 2012 at 5:34 pm Anton

    “You’re arrogant” — good.

    “You’re a dickhead” — not so good.

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  76. on February 20, 2012 at 6:15 pm mayatrollsforloveandpleasure

    “The dark side of game. http://t.co/CVTvS161 7 hours ago”

    Oh my God 😦 Everyone should read this … It’s really sad … How people can be so cruel? 😦 Seriously, what’s wrong with men who treat others like that?

    [heartiste: off your anti-trolling meds again, i see? you already know this, but i’ll spell it out for you anyway. the man wasn’t doing anything to the girl except trying not to feed her obsessive stalking. that’s what is meant by “the dark side of game”; it has the unintended side effect of sending some women right over the edge.]

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    • on February 21, 2012 at 12:24 pm Insight

      “it has the unintended side effect of sending some women right over the edge”

      It’s easier to send them there when they are BPD to start with. These texts look like a BPD chick. Wild flip-flopping emotions within the space of an hour, showing up at the door and stalking all night in the parking lot, a possible attempt to incite jealousy through “mis-texts”, the line about how she doesn’t have any friends, all red-flags. She comes off as a master manipulator, and she keeps trying to get phone or physical contact because that’s where she can really put you through the emotional wringer.

      Save those texts, they may come in useful if you need to apply for a restraining order.

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      • on February 21, 2012 at 4:03 pm itsme

        this. she’s nucking futs.

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      • on February 21, 2012 at 5:38 pm hesaidhe

        she is farrrr from a master manipulator. a manipulator is one who can bend someone’s will to suit their own.

        don’t respond to crazy.

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    • on February 21, 2012 at 3:45 pm mayatrollingfordollars

      No. This girl was in love with him and he just used her for sex.

      [heartiste: used? she entered into the carnal intimacy of her own volition, with no up-front guarantee that it would turn into something more. are women children in your world, trollfuck, or are they grown ass adults capable of making decisions about their lives? if the former, then might i suggest we do to women what we do to children: restrict their rights and privileges.]

      And now love is called “obsessive stalking”?

      [if a man texted 100 messages to an unresponsive woman he had a one night stand with, and stood outside her apartment waiting for her to get home to profess his undying love for her, what do you think most women, including feminists and weirdo trollfucks like yourself, would call that man? a victim of love? or a creepy stalker?]

      These two have slept together!

      [yeah, happens all the time, inside and outside of marriage. by any chance, are you retarded in a rainman way?]

      This is love, not stalking.

      [it’s the dictionary definition of stalking, dumbass.]

      And this guy is so disgusting …

      [… for not calling the cops on her.]

      Normal men don’t separate love from sex.

      [normal men have sex without love all the time, all over the world. perhaps you’d be more at home sitting silently in your parallel universe aka dimly lit bedroom, where fantasies come true?]

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      • on February 21, 2012 at 4:07 pm itsme

        This is love, not stalking.

        gold.

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      • on February 21, 2012 at 4:15 pm mayatrollingwithoutend

        “normal men have sex without love all the time, all over the world.”

        no, these men are not normal.

        [heartiste: normal refers to what the majority of a population do, or are capable of doing given the option and right incentives. so, yes, these men are normal, because most men — the great majority in fact — are capable of having sex without love, and indeed *have* had loveless sex at some point in their lives.]

        my dad had sex with my mum and didn’t give a shit about me.

        [no wonder you’re fucked up in the head. clue: don’t mistake your head fucked upness for reality.]

        this is not normal, sorry. maybe there’s something wrong with you as well?

        [trollfuck, when are you going to get it through your adamantium skull that men and women are different?]

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      • on February 21, 2012 at 5:51 pm GeishaKate

        I had the impression this lovely couple met the night of. It did not seem like a case where any kind of relationship was established, but, anyone feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, if she had said “ttyl :)” when he said he’d text her later, things MIGHT have turned out differently. Although that too is hard to imagine if she’s the kind of person who regularly has one night stands AND texts them the next morning to ask them out.

        There are a couple of things seriously wrong with this exchange. For instance, the fact that the ratio was incredibly skewed on her side. He had what, five texts to her fifty? She did employ what came off as emotional blackmail even if that wasn’t the way she intended it. The mistexts read that way as well, although if she was really that distraught its possible, but doesn’t seem likely. Her erratic emotions back and forth and back and forth were comically alarming.

        A grim cautionary tale for the reader.

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  77. on February 20, 2012 at 6:48 pm hjernevask | Transmillenium

    […] vez que vi el Episodio 1 fue el año pasado y yo creía que ese era el único documental, pero ahora me doy cuenta que son siete en la serie de Documentales del noruego Harald Eia, que salieron al aire en 2010. En […]

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  78. on February 20, 2012 at 8:09 pm Obstinance Works

    Reminds me of this little hoe who told me “Just put it in. It will get hard.” Came bareback in that bitch. Good times.

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  79. on February 20, 2012 at 9:39 pm HellSpawn Troll

    http://imgur.com/a/r5kEb

    I actually like this girl because she’s saying aloud what all “victims”? of ONS’s feel the next day. If you are remotely Alpha, you are quite literally a “heartbreaker” and should keep your dick in your pants because you are just making more batshit insane women. The world doesn’t need anymore.

    [heartiste: or maybe women could stop rewarding the sort of guys who like one night stands. remember, women are the gatekeepers to sex. they get the men they deserve.]

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    • on February 21, 2012 at 12:39 pm Neecy

      HEARTISTE SAID: [heartiste: or maybe women could stop rewarding the sort of guys who like one night stands. remember, women are the gatekeepers to sex. they get the men they deserve.]

      Very true heartiste. i don’t think women want or really understand this concept. Its easier to blame men when in reality men will always only do what women are rewarding. my philosophy has been that men are adaptable in the SMP based on whatever behaviors women are rewarding. Therefore a lot of the problems with men in the SMP stem from women rewarding certain behaviors. If more women truly understood this, then maybe we’d have a society of stronger relationships. It saddens me to say that as a woman I blame 80% of the issues in the SMP on women who simply don’t realize the ower we have in creating the kinds of men we really want. Men only care to get women they want and will act accordingly based not on thier own accounts of what they believe will win women over but what it is that women are rewwarding. if women are giving positive sexual energy to super duper nice guys then most men will adapt to that and so on.

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    • on February 21, 2012 at 4:52 pm itsme

      there is no victim here. her body, her choice, remember?

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    • on February 21, 2012 at 5:36 pm GeishaKate

      omg- that was sadly comic

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  80. on February 21, 2012 at 12:00 pm anon

    One thing that I’ve done is accidentaly gained a reputation as having encounters with a number of women who share the same social circle. My last attempt went wrong due to her saying “I know your reputation” and I didn’t know what to reply.

    I could easily see in her face that it wouldn’t have been an appropriate action to say something funny or suggestive. What would be a good thing to say?

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    • on February 21, 2012 at 11:57 pm uh

      I see two possibilities here:

      a – She is attracted to you and has raised the bitch shield early and strong to forestall becoming another member of your harem
      b – She’s a mean-spirited, underfucked toad who resents her friends for having a sex life and wants to shame you for giving it to them

      For (a) I would explore her reactions in a tentative fashion to very carefully modulated remarks to see if she can be brought around to your cock. For (b) I would go “Eh” with half a sneer, and turn my attention to those of good cheer.

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    • on February 23, 2012 at 12:00 pm itsme

      the classic that works 99% of the time: ‘…and?’

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  81. on February 21, 2012 at 2:41 pm Transmillenium

    “HEARTISTE: or maybe women could stop rewarding the sort of guys who like one night stands. remember, women are the gatekeepers to sex. they get the men they deserve”

    Why would they ever do that? Isn’t that a victory of the woman’s lib mov? Last week, I attended a /feminist Gender studies conference as an undercover in the best university of my country. There, the feminist claimed that they had the right to choice with whom they wanted to get laid and not be judged as sluts, while at the same time, they criticized players for hurting women when sleeping with lots of them.

    They wanted to have “my body my choice” = “my choice to be a sloot”. They wanted to sleep around like men while not being judged as whores/perras/putas. They want equality, but they can’t stand it.

    For me, I’m happy that girls are easier in this time and age: you don’t have to buy them dinners (or pay them with other thing than sex), you don’t have to be that good looking (maybe a little)… You only have to have game.

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  82. on February 21, 2012 at 2:57 pm “Women get the men they deserve” | Transmillenium

    […] Note: This is a comment I couldn’t post to Common Mistakes You Will Make While Learning Game « Chateau Heartiste. […]

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  83. on February 21, 2012 at 3:20 pm Paladin

    “[heartiste: or maybe women could stop rewarding the sort of guys who like one night stands. remember, women are the gatekeepers to sex. they get the men they deserve.]” Excellent words!

    p.s. I just read a few articles at that Seduction Myth website someone linked to earlier. What concentrated bullshit! Incredible.

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  84. on February 21, 2012 at 11:32 pm 2nd

    Not sure on this situation

    *comments on an FB*
    Gets back the lookin great/Long time no see
    *posts how said female is doing on her wall*
    *likes my post*
    *posts back on my wall saying ” you’re um lame”

    Que conja?

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  85. on March 1, 2012 at 11:51 am PU | Pearltrees

    […] Your game has been smooth as silk. She’s standing with you on the sidewalk, a few kisses have transpired, and now you’re faced with the very real prospect that she’s ready to go home with you tonight. But the realization of this — the prospect that you may achieve your goal — freezes you. Instead of leading her to her exquisite doom with unstoppable confidence, you mumble something about maybe, possibly, seeing some band next week that you heard was good, your hands stuffed deep in your pockets. Common Mistakes You Will Make While Learning Game « Chateau Heartiste […]

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