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Game, Obesity And Men Dropping Out

March 12, 2012 by CH

Over at Cheap Chalupas Central, asdf comments on an assertion by Charles Murray, regarding conclusions from his book “Coming Apart”, that falling marriage rates and rising single mom rates are due solely or mostly to men dropping out and eschewing marital responsibility:

Murray: “If you are arguing that 22-year-old men are saying to their girlfriends, ‘I just need a job and then I’ll behave responsibly…’ Well, that’s just bullshit.”

There are a lot of men this is probably true for. Men know, instinctively, that unless they make more money than their spouse the relationships can never be serious or a family formed. So if they consider their chances of getting a good job slim they will likely not try to do the other things necessary to become a family man.

asdf is spot on. I like Charles Murray. I consider him a leading light in the anti-lie movement. But like a lot of sociologists examining trends in the functioning of the sexual market, he misses or glosses over the relevance of female hypergamy. I understand why feminists would want to avoid confronting the deepest, darkest desires of the female id (aka My Secret Vagina Tingle!), but I can’t see a reason why putative iconoclasts like Murray would ignore it except as a reflection of an instinctive white knight complex that so many beta males harbor.

If women are offering men — well, really, just coolbreeze alpha males — the sex for free, then those men will revert to taking the path of least resistance. They won’t “man up”, because they won’t need to. This reading of market forces implicates women more than it does men. Women are making sexual choices, and men are responding to those choices.

It’s not entirely a female-driven decision tree. Women, particularly women in lower socioeconomic strata, are refusing marriage to jobless layabouts. Men could choose to raise their mate value by getting jobs, however undignified the work. In the past, this “manning up” brought the desired result: those jobless men would improve their marital prospects by taking on work. But the overarching change in the current culture is a one-two punch to the guts of men, especially lower SES men, that damages their ability to raise their status (i.e., their sexual market value, or SMV) via employment:

1. More jobs require advanced skills that left side of the bell curve men don’t have the innate mental capacity to learn, and more jobs require female-oriented dispositions that most working class men don’t care to learn.

2. Women have priced themselves out of their dating pool of men by becoming economically independent. A woman’s entirely natural and reasonable hypergamous instinct (hey, she’s only got so many eggs to spare) to mate with higher status men than herself dooms her to limited prospects if her own status has gone up relative to the men in her dating milieu.

Men are intuitive creatures, as well, even if not as holistically intuitive as women. Men will respond to depressed status enhancement from work by retreating from the employment field. Men will respond to women’s sexual choices by adopting the behavior of those men whom women lavish with their discounted derrieres. In some mating circles, this means men will learn game (i.e. the charismatic arts) and try to catch spillover from the maglev pussy express that roars along during women’s contraceptively-abetted prime years from the late teens to late 20s.

A feedback loop of alpha cock carouseling, single mommery, video gaming and porn watching results which will, in time, begin to infiltrate the upper classes. You can only insulate yourself from dystopian trends for so long before the uruk-hai batter down your private school walls.

In short, no sociological theory into sex, marriage and family trends is complete without a long, hard look at female hypergamy, the one biomechanical force to rule them all, and its intersection with economic realities. The science is out there; when women become financially empowered, they begin to choose men based on criteria other than their ability to provide.

But that’s not all that Murray, et al are missing. I’m here to tell Murray and others perusing his findings that there is another, MASSIVE factor at work skewing the sexual market, and one that, just as unsurprisingly, gets almost no attention from the PC-soaked punditariat: female obesity.

Imagine you are an unmarried working class dude recently unemployed. You look around you and marvel at a sea of grotesquely misshapen fat women, rolls upon rolls of undulating flesh hiding stores of cheesy poofs, porky hellion spawn trailing their wakes, chins resting atop chins, bloated diabetic cankles stomping the Walmartian grounds like lumbering elephants. In some towns, close to 40% of the available single women are clinically OBESE.

This is obesity folks, not just overweight. Overweight women are physically repulsive, but obesity renders them monstrous. To clarify this assertion for the modern indoctrinated female reader: an obese woman is as sexually undesirable to men as a jobless, charmless, humorless, enfeebled, dull man is sexually undesirable to women.

So back to our realistic scenario: Our typical unmarried working class man surveys his cellulite-blasted kingdom (and it does not matter how fat he, himself, is, for fat men and thin men alike prefer the exquisite sight of slender female bodies), and he makes a quick hindbrain calculation. Does he bust his ass in a crappy service sector job doing women’s work for a shot at legally bound long-term commitment to a shuffling shoggoth dragging the bastard spawn of a hundred alpha males in tow, or does he say “fuck it” and turn to video games and porn featuring hot, thin chicks for his status and dopamine fix?

You see where this is heading. It’s entirely reasonable, and expected, that a lot of men would drop out of the intensified competition for the few remaining childless slender babes in a world full of fat asses, single moms, and fat assed single moms. And even among the small contingent of sexually appealing women, they make enough in government and HR paychecks to cover expenses plus gifts for their Skittles Men. What working stiff beta provider can compete on those terms?

Men aren’t refusing to man up; they’re doing exactly what women do, and what both sexes have done since time immemorial: they’re acting in their self-interests. Incentives matter. You’d think Murray, of all people, would know this.

Women are as complicit in the current deterioration of family structure as are men; and, in fact, because of women’s natural roles as sexual gatekeepers, I’d argue that women are more complicit than men. In the arena of sexual choice and fulfillment, men are, on average, followers, and women are leaders. This is not to say that men exercise no choice; only that they exercise less choice in sexual partners than do women. A double whammy of women’s financial independence restricting their mate choices, coupled with a female SMV-destroying obesity scourge restricting men’s mate choices, has compounded to help usher forth the dysgenic shitfest we as a nation find ourselves in today.

If the reigning paradigm is unsustainable but also immune to rectification, as I suspect it is, then perhaps the only solution now is to wait out a total collapse of elite authority. Tick tock…

ps this post hate-list approved.

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  1. on March 12, 2012 at 3:39 pm R

    If you want monogamy and all the niceties of civilization, then figure out a way to institute something along the lines of the patria potestas of the pater familias:

    http://www.stoa.org/diotima/anthology/wlgr/wlgr-romanlegal109.shtml

    Valerius Maximus, Memorable Deeds and Sayings 6.3.9-12, 1st cent. A.D. L

    “Egnatius Metellus took a cudgel and beat his wife to death because she had drunk some wine. Not only did no one charge him with a crime, but no one even blamed him. Everyone considered this an excellent example of one who had justly paid the penalty for violating the laws of sobriety.”

    Aulus Gellius, Attic Nights 10.23, 2nd cent. A.D. L

    “I have copied Cato’s words from a speech called On the Dowry, in which it is stated that husbands who caught their wives in adultery could kill them: ‘The husband’, he says, ‘who divorces his wife is her judge, as though he were a censor; [13] he has power if she has done something perverse and awful; if she has drunk wine she is punished; if she has done wrong with another man, she is condemned to death.’ It is also written, regarding the right to kill: ‘If you catch your wife in adultery, you can kill her with impunity; she, however, cannot dare to lay a finger on you if you commit adultery, nor is it the law.’”

    Otherwise don’t even bother and instead try to bring about the collapse of civilization down to a more natural state so you don’t have to worry about force-wielding gangs of men calling themselves “the law” or “the government” bothering you just for spearing or hammering a man to death for encroaching on your territory.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 2:16 pm Ben

      There’s a reason why the cultural marxists hide classical education (i.e. also truth) from people.

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    • on March 14, 2012 at 11:08 am Kyo

      ‘If you catch your wife in adultery, you can kill her with impunity; she, however, cannot dare to lay a finger on you if you commit adultery, nor is it the law.’”

      Today’s Anglosphere societies are a near-perfect gender reversal of Rome.

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    • on March 14, 2012 at 12:51 pm samseau

      Rome, and Ancient Greece, were paradises for elite men.

      Guess what? Both collapsed. The elite men, drunk with power, treated everyone like shit.

      They divorced their wives and refused to marry. Birthrates plummeted. There was constant warfare.

      It’s not as simple as “Give power back to men and things will be fine.” Go back and read some more history from authors during periods of collapse, i.e. Thucydides + Augustine.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 5:34 pm John Norman Howard

        Everything collapses…

        But both Rome and Greece has a helluva run… and provided a fair-to-middling foundation for the West, dontcha think?

        We still make movies about them to this day… which, in our decline, is the highest compliment paid.

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  2. on March 12, 2012 at 3:46 pm Collapse

    Pardon my language but…

    Silver, bitches.

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  3. on March 12, 2012 at 3:46 pm Joseph Knight

    Hahaha….you’re going to get yourself in SPLC’s newsletter with these kinds of posts. I’m laughing my ass off. Good stuff. And unforturnately, true.

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  4. on March 12, 2012 at 3:48 pm Lara

    Every single woman I know, who makes more money than her husband, has ended up having an affair.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 4:00 pm evilalpha

      Is that 1 woman or 100?

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 4:24 pm Lara

        Just two, but I do believe financially independent wives are more likely to be unfaithful. It just makes sense based on female hypergamy. Even if a more successful wife doesn’t cheat, she might think she’s the boss.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:13 pm Sugar

        The “better” guy that hypergamy seeks doesn’t necessarily make more money. He may simply be cooler, funnier, more dominant or more of a handsome stud than the husband.

        It isn’t always about which man has more money, or else the highest earners would be having the most sex – and I would put – well – money on it that that is not the case.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:36 pm Lara

        I agree, but if a man isn’t super cool, funny or dominant, it helps if he earns more.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 1:18 am Anonymous

        Big, hard cock to make her go “Unngh!”

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:14 pm evilalpha

        Nah. Female hypergamy is kept in check by much more than money. That’s why femcunts fight so hard agains slut shaming. It’s the lack of punishment that makes this all possible. Even a wealthy woman would think long and hard if she ended up in jail for cuckoldry, had the kids taken away by the state as an unfit mother, had to pay alimony to her ex or was added to an online web registry for cheating skanks.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 11:46 pm Sam

        And yet men are (allegedly) able to have relationships with multiple women, and recieve many of these punishments today, with the exception of the registry and jail time. Yet men are not thwarted by these consequences, such as paying alimony or having the kids taken away, so why do you feel these consequences should be used on women?

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:17 pm John Norman Howard

        Men have a much higher sex drive, don’t fuck based upon status, and don’t usually leave their wife in the lurch (emotionally or financially) merely for a piece of ass… DUH!

        Another dumb question like that and you can’t play here anymore.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 1:17 am Anonymous

        Hence old-fashioned “fault” divorce and societal shame for being a cheatin’ skank.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:18 pm Ben

        Removed thanks to universal shafting (what so much boils down to.)

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 4:08 pm John Norman Howard

      And it always starts out as an “innocent cup of coffee”, right?

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 1:17 am Anonymous

        Damn straight. Be on that shit like white on rice.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:18 pm John Norman Howard

        Like spots on dice.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 5:01 pm That Guy

      Lara,

      I make a 6-figure salary, but my wife makes significantly more than I do, and is also independently wealthy… do I anticipate her having an affair/cheating – NO.

      Why, because from the get go, I made it clear that I don’t see myself as the financial provider in the relationship, rather I am the dominance provider and decision maker for the family.

      She’s happy with that, more happy now then when we first wed in fact. Back then she viewed herself as a Buddhist, Liberal and somewhat Feminist – now 5-years on, she’s an Atheist (like me) and questions the underpinnings of Liberalism, and now understands why Feminism is wrong, though she has occasional lapses. She has my dinner ready for me every evening and is happy about that.

      Don’t get the impression that she’s a walkover though, she’s actually very tough and ambitious – yet is all female. When we met, she had just finished a 2-year stint in NW Uganda (Africa for US readers), where she directed an international relief agency, just 4 miles from the border with the democratic Republic of Congo, and said that she saw truck loads of rebel soldiers coming and going everyday. So she hired an ex-army driver for her jeep and a machete and machine-gun wielding local thug as her bodyguard.

      The thing for her though, is that she found it extremely difficult to find a guy more dominant then she is, to really turn her on – but I am that guy.

      Of course it helps that I have fathered a few exceptional children with her.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:33 pm Lara

        I know there are many exceptions, which it sounds like your marriage is. It is just the man needs to be that much more alpha, that’s all. He needs to have other things that he is better at than her.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 11:26 pm GasButtox

        Lara,

        Detox my Buttox.

        It is your privilege and honor to do so.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:45 pm Anon

        You folks should start a show.
        The Indestructibles or something.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 8:27 am asinusspinasmasticans

        How did you get to be such an asskicker? I have a son I’d like to see adopt some of these behaviors.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:58 pm That Guy

        @asinusspinasmasticans,

        It helps being born an Alpha – so choose your parents wisely! 😉

        All joking aside, there are many things a guy can do to improve himself. Me, I never was one for many of the “lines” or quips used by some Alphas, what I do well is to project an Alpha presence. There are a number of things that I’d recommend to train this habit. IMO all young guys should:

        1. Get a sales job – it totally opens the mind to possibilities. It helps eliminate “stage fright”/”approach anxiety”. It uncovers the direct connection between attitude and results.

        2. Get dance lessons – to learn how to move like an Alpha. It may seem trite, but so many Emo/X-generation guys walk in a pansy/mincing fashion. Dancing makes you consciously aware of space and movement.

        It’s been said that 70% of communication is non-verbal – and none so important as early stage interactions with the opposite sex – and to me this is the “low hanging fruit” of Game.

        I’ve been told by many girls that when they first encountered me they thought I must be very wealthy or famous – but I’m not, I just am better at projecting Alpha body-language and attitude than most.

        For those guys that feel shut out of the dating market due to low-paying or no job, I’ve got news for you, there are many high paying jobs that require little or no formal skills. Such as:
        1. Direct Sales – see above
        2. Nursing – a well paid, in demand job, with a bright future

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 4:21 am Nepenthe

        Martial arts is another great option for good body/surroundings awareness. Less useful if you rely on your dance moves as a part of your Art – even if most martial artists I’ve known were also pretty good dancers.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 5:25 pm That Guy

        @ Nepenthe,

        Agreed. Also if your Martial Art involves sparring or semi-contact, so much the better. This gives you experience with head-to-head confrontations, and should be a confidence booster in any similar arena – like pulling chicks in a crowded bar/club, from under the nose of other guys.

        Of course, real experience of actual physical confrontations is even better. As a kid I was something of a brawler, and have won many a fight, the last fight I lost was when I was 5 yo. The last fight I won was against a Black hoodlum in Harlem, a number of years back.

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  5. on March 12, 2012 at 3:48 pm Mark

    Wake up white man is a very needed meme that must catch fire. Without the family – especially in the white community – the human race will go the way of the dinosaurs.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 4:11 pm beefcake

      If you want a meme to catch fire for white people, http://whiterabbitradio.net/podcast-2 is the place to go, start with the first 3 podcasts and try to listen in order, as they build on one another.

      There you can help fight white genocide. Its our own anti-white elites(who look like white, but have no loyalty to whites) doing this to us.

      Listen to the podcast, it explains it in better detail, and is more entertaining to listen to than anything I will post.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 11:17 pm LBK

        A major flaw in the whole white-supremacy idea is that feminism is primarily a white thing. It was invented by whites, and is strongest among the nordic peoples, who are the whitest whites of all. Indeed, it would seem that the whiter people are, the more likely they are to be feminist.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:22 pm John Norman Howard

        Butthead!

        White Nationalism isn’t White Supremacy…

        And just because a bunch of small and homogenous Scandinavian countries could afford to woman’s equality chimera for awhile doesn’t negate the fact that the virulent ‘hate-my-own-men’ form of feminism here in the West can be laid squarely at the doorstep of people who “oh, just happened to be” Jews, in all but a few cases.

        Sheesh, the dimness around here gets aggravating.

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      • on March 15, 2012 at 3:38 am Allerious

        It isn’t dimness. LBK raises a valid point, as do you. Neither one of you is incorrect. The predominant advocates of liberal ideologies are Jews AND Whites of Northern European descent. Feminism is, indeed, embraced by countless Whites of primarily Anglo and Germanic heritage. One does not find the same fondness for liberalism among Southern or Eastern European people.

        By all indications, liberalism is a mental disorder to which Northern Europeans are particularly susceptible.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 4:20 pm Ya Not Really

      “Without the family – especially in the white community – the human race will go the way of the dinosaurs.”

      The only people closest to a homogenous “race” are Asians.

      Off all races, Asiatics are the ones who give the most importance to family. The race that gives the least importance to family are blacks. It is no surprise that American, and many European, inner cities resemble an African wasteland. Not far behind blacks are whites. Whites care more about money than family and would rather import armies of brown people to do their work and raise their children. So goes America and Europe.

      As family goes, so does society. Pretty soon, the only human race will be Asian. Everyone else will turn into chimps trying to out-alpha each other for the right to mate with a fat gorilla.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:15 pm Demetrius Jackson

        According to Whitney Houston,when she met Bobby Brown they had sex all day. Every day.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 11:19 pm LBK

        I wish I had that much energy.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 5:49 pm the realist

        then crack is what you need

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 1:18 am Anonymous

        And look where that got her.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 7:14 pm evilalpha

        … or maybe just for the right to shit on a fat gorilla.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 11:56 am Anna

        LOL, no. Asians are not “homogenous.” From Kurdistan to Korea, Siberia to Singapore, you’ll find a lot of genetic diversity.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:26 pm John Norman Howard

        And many of them would just as soon destroy their neighboring nations as soon as look at them.

        Maybe we can’t tell the difference between Chinese, Japanese, and Korean… but they sure can.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 5:06 pm Stark

        When pepole say “asian” they mean Koreans-Chinese-Japanese-Singapore.

        Since they are the only asian groups worth mentioning in any positive way.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 10:57 pm LBK

      It won’t do any good for white men to wake up, since they will just be out-voted by white women.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:24 pm John Norman Howard

        That one I’ll have to give you.

        White genocide is all but assured unless we throw off the shackles of that Moloch called democracy.

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  6. on March 12, 2012 at 3:51 pm Lara

    I am not particularly suited to being a good wife, but my husband has a good job and I haven’t worked in years, so I do feel like I have to be loyal to him.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm John Norman Howard

      And he truly appreciates those perfunctory rolls in the hay, honey.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 6:50 pm Lara

        That is one of men’s more endearing qualities, they don’t seem overly hung up on the quality of the lovemaking.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:21 pm Ben

        Hahahaha

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:33 pm n/a

        You’re just asking for it, aren’t you?

        Since women *are* often miserably obsessed by their vanilla husband’s lack in the sack — dirty-talkers have their uses — why should you find this “endearing?”

        Are you settled that deep in quiet desperation, Lara?

        You’re a mystery.–

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:27 pm John Norman Howard

        Men only need four things… shelter, clothes, food, and sex… none of which really have to be all that good.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 4:08 pm n/a

      I agree that you have proven that you are not suited to being a good wife, in the following surprising way:

      Any woman or girl that posts or reads here with any consistency is NOT sufficiently in love with her own man, nor does she have the ability to seriously bond with anything other than a natural alpha.

      This is true even of the old women who post here.

      Men. Try it out. Introduce your female to this site. If she is not almost immediately bored by its intense maleness, argumentative intensity, etc., but instead becomes interested and excited, she is worthless as wife or girlfriend.

      Sound extreme? It is not.

      The best female commenters, like Lara, are the *least feminine.*

      This deserves a post.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:05 pm Lara

        No argument here. I’d never want my sons to marry someone like me. More feminine women are much better as wives, lovers and girlfriends.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:16 pm n/a

        Sometimes your truth-telling flat-style makes us all a little melancholy.

        But keep it up.–

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:29 pm Lara

        Less feminine women are, in many ways, less trouble than feminine ones. We are probably less fun as a result.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:34 pm n/a

        This is true on an individual basis. The trouble comes when masculinized women organize.

        Then we have feminism and its mannish hags.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 12:55 pm Anonymous

        I find your unvarnished self-awareness pleasing and admirable (here and in many of your comments). I think less-feminine women are less trouble for us TO UNDERSTAND than more-feminine women. And less-feminine women are less likely to embarrass the shit out of you by doing childish things in public. If only that were enough in itself…

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:24 pm Ben

        I disagree. Less feminine women have the anarchy of woman and the will to put into to practice like a man (neo-feminism.)

        Feminine women can at least be beat back into place (I don’t mean cruelly or maliciously, just correctively.)

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      • on March 15, 2012 at 3:43 am Allerious

        Don’t know if I can agree with that. Feminine wims are submissive, while masculine wims are competitive. No man wants to compete against a wim. That’s what other men are for.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:50 pm Demetrius Jackson

        Lara? Dat you? Bitch!

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:34 pm carolyn

        huh???

        how does interest in this site equate to poor wife material? maybe it’s a sign of intellectual curiosity, not usually derided as undesirable.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm n/a

        Please think about *exactly what I wrote* for a full second, carolyn.

        Don’t merely react.

        Again: women who are frequent commenters on this site are insufficiently bonded to their current male.

        I don’t think your husbands and boyfriends would be to happy to see you panting here in this testosterone reeking male scrum.

        Let’s hear from these *intellectually cuckolded* males.–

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 1:31 pm carolyn

        okay, i’ll bite.

        ‘women who are frequent commenters on this site are insufficiently bonded to their current male’

        if your definition of insufficient is that the wife fails to worship the ground her husband walks on, you’d be correct. in my case i’ve been married and faithful nearly 30 years and have had 5 kids by him. isn’t that as much as any man can demand?

        ‘I don’t think your husbands and boyfriends would be to happy to see you panting here in this testosterone reeking male scrum.’

        like lara, i point out some posts here to him. sorry.

        ‘Let’s hear from these *intellectually cuckolded* males.–’

        heh

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:39 pm n/a

        Please, carolyn, first rule: don’t bite.–

        Yes — *fails to worship the ground he walks on and the toilet seat he pees on and the socks he strews upon* — sounds like an adequate start to a definition of “insufficient.”

        Now, what does your *intellectually cuckolded* husband have to say when someone like me is standing here shooting in your face?

        And you’re getting better all the time, carolyn baby, you’re getting to be *more like us.* The more you stick around and smell the alpha. You love it, honey —

        And you know it.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 4:11 pm carolyn

        ‘Now, what does your *intellectually cuckolded* husband have to say when someone like me is standing here shooting in your face?’

        oooh, now you’re in trouble. i just read your comment to my husband and he’s gonna go gunning for you.

        ‘The more you stick around and smell the alpha. You love it, honey –’

        i wouldn’t describe it that way. more like, i like men and this site comes as close to distilled maleness squared as is possible.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm Ben

        “Please think about *exactly what I wrote* for a full second, carolyn.”

        Dude, are you serious? What is going on? Am I dreaming? Think about what you just asked.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:08 pm carolyn

        this, from your original comment-

        ‘Any woman or girl that posts or reads here with any consistency is NOT sufficiently in love with her own man, nor does she have the ability to seriously bond with anything other than a natural alpha.’

        i’ve been thinking more about your claim. if it’s true, couldn’t that same woman, due to her hypergamy-repressing socialization/moral training, or other aspects of her personality (e.g. fear of rejection) incline her to bond with a beta sufficiently to be a good wife and mother? i’m honestly interested in you thoughts.

        for the record, i’m not particularly feminine. in fact, i find myself exasperated with super-feminine types in my social circle.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:49 pm n/a

        carolyn,

        You made my point. Of course you’re “exasperated” with the “super-feminine” (read: normal, old-fashioned, estrogenic women) in your social circle, because you are a masculinized, intellectual woman.

        You are drawn into this androgen-soaked huddle for that reason.

        And my claim is that such a woman — whatever her other virtues and pleasures — will never be sufficiently in love, *contentedly in love,* to the extent that she makes an entirely satisfying wife or girlfriend.

        If a man is married and his wife is — coming — here, eyes wide, batting her short masculine lashes, more than a little moist — that’s a BIG problem.

        She is insufficiently bonded and she is cuckolding her beta male.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 6:36 pm carolyn

        ‘…will never be sufficiently in love, *contentedly in love,* to the extent that she makes an entirely satisfying wife or girlfriend.’

        then that may be the case in the majority of marriages, if your high standard of what qualifies as sufficiently devoted is the measure. wouldn’t that be making the perfect the enemy of the good?

        ‘more than a little moist’

        not me. i’m post-menopausal.

        ‘She is insufficiently bonded and she is cuckolding her beta male.’

        no, i’m just having a little fun. sort of like some women like romcoms and romance novels. i’m as much a cuckolder as they are. i know you’re using the term kiddingly, but in case you aren’t, defining it down from real adultery will diminish its serious nature.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:58 pm anon

        Intellectual curiosity is unfeminine.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 6:01 pm John Norman Howard

        Sheesh… still talking about a woman’s ‘intellectual curiosity’ (such as they’re capable of) as if it’s a plus.

        Sure you got a brain, toots… but your breasts and ass are bigger… and of more interest.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 1:24 pm Kay

        Why wouldn’t intellectual curiosity in a woman be a plus? Not saying that it’s a requirement for sex/a relationship/whatever, but being able to talk intelligently with your woman about “bigger” topics adds some interest to things – especially if one is interested in pursuing a long-term loving relationship with someone.

        I’m still not sure what men want from women as far as intelligence is concerned. As several have just said here, intellectual curiosity is seen as unfeminine and undesirable in a woman. Yet, other commenters malign women for being unable to form rational thought.

        How is the perfect woman’s mind supposed to work?

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:09 pm carolyn

        ‘How is the perfect woman’s mind supposed to work?’

        i think we’re only supposed to be smart enough to come in out of the rain.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:42 pm n/a

        Kay,

        We want you to apply your intelligence to the domestic arts.

        We’ll save talk about ideas for our male friends and, very occasionally, our *intellectual harem sluts* here at the Chateau.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 2:53 pm sally

        As a woman, it seems to me that most intelligent men want a woman who is also smart, but not as smart as themselves. So, there’s no objective ideal…it’s all relative to the cognitive capabilities of the man. The fact that I read this blog might signal to a particular man that I’m too intellectually curious and, therefore, not suitable as a mate. However, I’ve showed this blog to my husband before, and he immediately dismissed it. He has a very low opinion of evolutionary psychology (and not because he disagrees with its conclusions, he just disagrees with the approach…I mean, say what you will about the discipline, but it IS reductionist). He regards the fact that I read this blog with amused skepticism–it actually lowers his opinion of my intelligence. Haha.

        Even if I don’t always agree with the conclusions that are drawn from the evidence presented on this site, I think that reading this blog has helped me to have a better understanding of male-female relationships–and a better understanding of my relationship with my husband.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 1:36 pm carolyn

        well sure such body parts delight men, but our brains are for us. so what was your point?

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:50 pm John Norman Howard

        You first intimated that intellectual curiosity made for good wife material… leastwise “not usually derided as undesirable.”

        Now you say “but our brains are for us.”, while (my aforementioned post about) “such body parts delight men”.

        So, my dear… my point was the very same one you’re now parroting back to me.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:31 pm Ben

        Schopenhauer’s view on woman’s ‘intellectual curiosity’:

        “…in a word, they are big children all their life long–a kind of intermediate stage between the child and the full-grown man,…”

        Arthur Schopenhauer: On Women

        http://dangerandplay.wordpress.com/2011/12/16/arthur-schopenhauer-on-women/

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 4:10 pm Kay

        8th paragraph down in Schopenhauer (you could also read the 7th paragraph, which says a similar thing):

        “Then, again, women are decidedly more sober in their judgment than we are, so that they do not see more in things than is really there; whilst, if our passions are aroused, we are apt to see things in an exaggerated way, or imagine what does not exist.”

        There has been much said (here and elsewhere) about women’s writing style: it is random, over-wordy, not logically connected, etc. Most philosophy (needless to say, which is mostly written by men) seems to be written in just such a style as well. Why would Schopenhauer insert the above paragraph amongst all the other stuff he wrote? Is it not directly contradicting most everything he has just said and then goes on to say? So he is saying that women have a more clear sense of judgement, and that men are more apt to be “passionate,” and therefore not see things clearly? Sounds exactly like the kind of stuff that is usually said about women, not men.

        Also, I find it interesting that Schopenhauer argues (in the 6th paragraph) that women are more capable of living in the present than men. I don’t remember the specific post’s comments section where it was contained, but there was a discussion regarding how women are incapable of living in the present, whereas men are. It’d be interesting to read a study regarding this.

        [heartiste: men are more headily romantic than women, contrary to popular perception. that is what schopenhauer is referring to.]

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 4:35 pm John Norman Howard

        You got it wrong… women are only capable of living in the present… the future is terra incognita to them, hence dismissed… and the past is only good for dredging up affronts, both real and imagined.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 5:52 pm Kay

        I’m missing the reference (at least within this particular work) to men being more headily romantic than women, but I’m assuming it is there somewhere. That does square with what I’ve experienced in real life though. I wonder how the popular misperception that women are instead more headily romantic got out there.

        [heartiste: women are just as headily romantic as men when the object who desires them is an alpha male. the perception has accrued that women are romantic because all female-oriented romance art (but i repeat myself) features women being wooed by various high status, charming men. the reality is that the world has a lot more boring beta males than alpha males, the relationships of whom romance novels and such don’t bother detailing for their female audience, because it’s so unexciting to them.]

        John Norman Howard – While I hadn’t yet said anything one way or the other regarding what I believe as far as women living in the present, I would lean towards what had been argued somewhere in this blog before (a comments section, not a post) – that women (at least modern women) live more in the past and future. Women seem to be much more careful about planning for the future and thinking about the future in general than men. While I can’t make as strong a statement regarding the past, it does seem from my experience that women are more analytical regarding the consequences of past experiences than men are. Men seem to live for the present moment – which seems to go along with men being much greater risk takers than women. Men – “What happened in the past?” – “Doesn’t matter, it’s over and done with.” “What’s going to happen in the future?” – “Who knows and who cares; you can’t change what’s going to happen.”

        The reality may have been different in Schopenhauer’s time, but it does not mesh with what I’ve experienced in the present time. I’m not saying one attitude is better than the other – I’m sure they’re both useful in their own ways.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 9:50 pm carolyn

        ‘Women seem to be much more careful about planning for the future and thinking about the future in general than men.’

        i’d say so. the headlong devil-may-care heedlessness men seem to exhibit just doesn’t exist in most women, who seem very anxious about the future and plan more prudently.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 5:02 pm Maya

        heartiste: men are more headily romantic than women, contrary to popular perception.

        This is because there are so many attractive girls out there – it’s so much easier to meet a beautiful girl than it is to meet an attractive man.
        So men are more romantic because half of them have a chance to sleep with a very pretty girl while it’s extremely difficult for a girl to find someone who inspires romantic feelings …

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 9:35 pm Nicole

        Intellectual curiosity to the point of engaging rather than just observing is a masculine trait. The more of it a woman shows, the more masculine she is.

        I don’t have a problem with being classed as somewhat masculine relative to most western men, or being viewed as unsuitable as a wife for them. They should just understand that the whole world isn’t the U.S. and not all men are Anglo, and not everyone enjoys or can afford a heavy infrastructure lifestyle.

        Men who don’t have much to lose from being strapped by the balls to a flaky princess would probably find someone like me very unsuitable. I could actually take care of myself, so he’d know all along that I was submitting for emotional reasons and not because I need him to survive physically. It might chap his hide a bit that because I enjoy exercising, I’m not going to age as badly as a dude who says he does and doesn’t really, so I’ll be taking on more practical duties as the years go by. I’m going to want sex every day.

        Life with me would really suck for a sedentary, insecure guy who can’t get it up for a 5.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:34 pm Ben

        “Life with me would really suck for a sedentary, insecure guy who can’t get it up for a 5.”

        5?

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:35 pm Ben

        Why Nicole? Why do you comment here? The anarchy, misdirection, self destruction and randomness of woman always surprises me.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:42 pm John Norman Howard

        Can’t you just hear the strains of Kander and Ebb?

        “You put in for Mama, she’ll put out for you.”

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 12:35 am Nicole

        I should have clarified, I was talking about 20 years ago when I was in the marriage market.

        As I am now though, that photo was a few kilos ago. I’m 41 with only one very slight wrinkle, and no problem passing for a chubby student. Most guys who hit on me are 22-27.

        So life is good. I already have who to grow old with. So I’m not looking for the father of my kids, just some dudes to feed the Python.

        It is kinda disgusting, I agree, but I keep a kind of professional distance so they don’t find out (until it’s too late) they’ve been seduced by an old lady instead of scoring an underconfident grad student or something.

        When I was young though, I was an idealist who didn’t cheat on my first or second husband until we went platonic. I am with the second until his last breath unless he breaks it off. One of my greatest joys is his happiness, and even if the most I can be to him now is a glorified maid and nurse, I do this joyfully.

        So I may not be much to look at, but if someone dumps me, they’re not going to just walk out and find another one like me very soon. Some women get there with their looks and others with their loyalty. It’s nice if you can get both, but that’s rare in the western world these days.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:43 pm Kay

        “Intellectual curiosity to the point of engaging rather than just observing is a masculine trait. The more of it a woman shows, the more masculine she is.”

        Good point. I make it a point to keep the level of intellectual debate between my husband and I at a minimum. I save debate for family and male friends. I suppose you could call this “intellectual cuckoldry” (double hehe), but I feel that it’s healthy. While I am more of a serious thinker type when I am at work and with others, my husband brings out the smiley, girly, feminine side of me. So while it is possible for an “intellectually curious” girl to be in a long term loving relationship that is satisfying to both people, it is a more complex thing. The girl must either hope she is lucky enough to meet a guy who somehow consistently brings out the girly side of her, or if not, she must be careful as far as what sides of herself she shows at different times to different people.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 12:38 am Nicole

        Compartmentalizing is good for the aware not so girly girl. Just remember that your agenda may not be other guys’ agenda.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:45 pm n/a

        Nicole,

        You are the exception to many rules. You are a brilliant and practical woman. I read even your long comments carefully. This is an almost unimaginable compliment. 😉

        I await the wedding announcement of you and John Norman Howard.

        Probably make a brilliant pair.–

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:49 pm Anonymous

        “I await the wedding announcement of you and John Norman Howard.”

        Isn’t that right? I feel that they have something going on. They will spiral up around the obvious truth until it becomes too obvious to discard: they are made for one another. And I’m already seeing the sparks following their first kiss.
        To hell with miscegenation, you can’t fight love.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 4:02 pm John Norman Howard

        Wedding announcement? Didn’t you get the invitation? The reception is going to feature pancakes and syrup, once she trades her veil for a kerchief.

        I do like my women big and round… so sue me. If she promises to keep her babbling brook of a mouth shut, I’ll surely get it up for my darling, self-styled 5. 😉

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 5:42 pm Nicole

        Thank you for the compliment n/a. 🙂

        John and me? Well, after dealing with Israelis, he’d probably be a walk in the park.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 6:00 pm Nicole

        Anonymous, actually as deep as his self pity is, if he ever kissed me, I’d piss myself because for sure, I was about to be stabbed a few times or have my fat ass rolled down to a basement somewhere. My only hope would be to try to make it the worst kiss ever because if he actually enjoyed it, my demise may take longer.

        I talk hard, but I do not underestimate men. My cocky attitude wouldn’t be of service in a face to face situation, which kissing would require.

        I’d just like him to rein things in enough so that one day, his anger doesn’t turn itself back on the White woman he’ll hopefully end up with…or himself.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 11:18 pm John Norman Howard

        Anonymous, actually as deep as his self pity is, if he ever kissed me, I’d piss myself because for sure, I was about to be stabbed a few times or have my fat ass rolled down to a basement somewhere. My only hope would be to try to make it the worst kiss ever because if he actually enjoyed it, my demise may take longer.

        Ah, Nicole in her bizarro fantasy world again… where imaginary evil YT does the things that her kind do each ghetto day.

        I’d just like him to rein things in enough so that one day, his anger doesn’t turn itself back on the White woman he’ll hopefully end up with…or himself.

        Rein things in enough so that the White devils just go gently into that long, dark night, eh?

        Sorry, but I, my wife of 2+ decades, and our children plan on raging against the dying of the Western light… and our grandchildren, and all children that look like us, have a future.

        If fellows like me truly worry you, just keep your mouth shut and leave us alone… that’s all Whites nowadays want from your kind… instead of your nigger braggadocio about being “the embodiment of our fears” and the inane muh-dik’king you attempt to insult with.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 12:20 am Nicole

        John, so then I’m too late.

        Of course she’d tell you that she’s not afraid of you.

        Black people don’t generally keep people in basements and whatnot unless it’s political. When it happens, it’s because they’re imitating White people they saw on television.

        If we’re going to kill people, quick and clean is best.

        …and really, what would you know about what Whites nowadays want or need? You’re about 40 years behind schedule. White people, by and large, have sold out for the promise of free easy sex from fat free cyborgs.

        What were you doing in the 70’s?

        Anyway, with or without the multikult, the world is and has always been a place where racial dominion over most lands has been fluid. If your people are failing to thrive then that’s not everybody else’s fault. That’s your fault for not understanding the realities of Nature.

        You insult me for some people who look like me being “ghetto” and violent, and then turn around and say you’re not going quietly.

        You are going quietly…nice and docile like a good sheep. It is so not my or any other Black person’s fault that you take pride in being a pussy and that kind of attitude would be viewed as shameful to us…even in a girl.

        In order to survive on this planet, a creature needs to have some fight in them. You can’t be fighting your inner man and be at peace with him at the same time. You have to choose. A world where faggotry gets rewarded with pussy or other resources is never going to exist. So you can either take the lesson or get tilled under like the rest.

        As it is, the way you’re going, your great grandkids are going to all look like me.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 9:48 am carolyn

        indeed, n/a. it’s a match made in heaven.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:29 pm LBK

        But life in such a relationship would suck for you, too. And the two of you would never be attracted to each other, so such a relationship would never occur.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 5:15 pm Anonymous

        Sorry, honey but you’re a 1.
        I would have given you 0 if Heartiste didn’t torture us with cigstache.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 5:29 am Nicole

        Do you figure that saying this somehow magically actually makes me ugly?

        Even if I were, I’m fucking 41. Let it go. Go pick on some fat girls your own age.

        I wasn’t fat until I was 25, hypothyroid, and my joints started screwing up. Even then, I worked very hard (though the wrong way I later learned) not to become a complete morbidly obese, immobile blob.

        Every little bit of health and beauty I still have, I earned in pain. So you can go fuck yourself if it’s not good enough. If you had to go through what I have, you’d probably be really thin: a skeleton.

        I’m still alive, and I’m happy to be so. Now run along.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 12:23 pm John Norman Howard

        Dude, if she wants to delude herself on the sexual appearance number scale, so be it…

        You’ve all been giving her a pass on her realpolitik delusions, so calling her on the personal fantasies seems, well… insipid.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 9:29 pm Nicole

        Haters…You feed my soul.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 4:34 am Nepenthe

        Intelligent people of both sexes are generally subject to a lot more self-criticism than the average. On an ultra-simplified level, I have better chances with smart chicks, since their ego hasn’t reached olympian proportions. Note you have to differentiate genuine intellect from, say, Heartiste’s famous lawyercunts, who just imagine they are smart because they have a professional degree from some overrated institution.

        On the other hand, the best lays would appear to be women on both ends of the intellectual bell curve. The ditzy bimbos on the one hand (probably borne out of experience of being the village bicycle since an early age) and the brainiest (creativeness and willingness to experiment) on the other. Personal best experiences are from post-graduate law students (phd level, rare in the U.S.) and economists.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 4:10 pm Anonymous

      It doesn’t entirely depend on you.
      The right alpha hasn’t hit on you yet.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:13 pm Anonymous

        Yeah, you’ll happily get pronged on that dong, tell your hubby “it’s over” and be dumped and alone by Alpha man before your know it, with a silly smile on your face.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 5:00 pm n/a

      Lara,

      What does your husband think of this site and the time you spend here and your comments?

      You hide it from him?

      Why?

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:38 pm Lara

        I just told him about your most recent comment, and he laughed and agrees with you.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 1:37 pm n/a

        You’re such a fucking wise-ass. 😉

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  7. on March 12, 2012 at 3:52 pm Anonymous

    I love this post. I’ve done well for myself and have a few things going. But I don’t want to settle down because most women I meet are fat, unattractive, and have been sleeping around for years. My family consistently questions my decision to remain a bachelor but I have been unable to offer them an honest reply (mainly because we are Indian and they just don’t seem to get it). Next time they inquire about marriage, I will read this post. My old fashioned parents might be shocked).

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 4:05 pm Anon

      I’d say most young, Indian chicks are thin and virgins.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:01 pm n/a

        In the cities the dots are starting to get busy. It’s our diet.

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  8. on March 12, 2012 at 3:54 pm Jean-Luc LeGame

    It’s never talked about enough. Even though I know of the obesity rates, every time I return home to the United States I’m shocked. There’s no getting used to it. It’s like something from the twilight zone. An entire population turned into hideous monsters. And it’s not like underneath their disgusting exteriors there’s nice people in there, they’re fat and miserable and unhappy and blame all their problems on outside sources. Going home fills me with mixed emotions. I like seeing friends and family (although every year my friends get fatter and become members of the obese herd themselves), but I hate seeing the state of the country. And you’re exactly right about the effect is has on society.

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  9. on March 12, 2012 at 3:57 pm gaius

    wow first?

    the question i want to ask is what are the implications of this for a man learning game and attempting to raise his own social status, SES value and SMP value. right now i get laid, but i know lazy coolbreeze alphas who still live at home with thier parents, generally have no aspirations besides a dead end job and get laid as much as they can handle.

    i am responsible, have a job, and am basically on an entirely other career path/lifestyle trajectory than these dudes, precisely, it seems like, because i was never a natural at game and have had to work for pussy and status.

    maybe its a convenient rationialization, but does the future belong to the man who develops his game AND “provider attributes?” I don’t plan on getting married, my game is developing by leaps and bounds, and i can see a future where i have more going for me than living in my parents basement making minimum wage. do i start beating natural alphas at their own game? i don’t expect any of them to fall off. It’s a feminine-centric view to believe that these naturals will lose their powers after a certain age, and its not like they stop having something to offer, but what about the guys who were initially socially awkward, learned game and still developed themselves and their lifestyle. i feel like the future is theirs

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 4:44 pm Columnist

      Try to gain as much power as possible. It is likely that in the future powerful men will try to monopolize women.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 5:24 pm Ace

      That guy is me.I unplugged just a month ago…i see what you mean.I have one of the top 5% career profiles in my country and some very valued brands of universities and corporations.Lets see how my game develops.I am going to take on a natural very soon.gonna be tough.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 10:18 pm Anonymous

      No, because can’t compensate for particular innate traits which will become crucial in the coming decades.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 11:49 pm LBK

      No matter what happens, it is better to be alpha than beta, so develop your game and concentrate on being alpha. A career is nice too, but I wouldn’t put all my energy into it. Once you have enough money to live comfortably, more money won’t bring you more happiness. Game will benefit you more.

      And above all, DON’T GET MARRIED.

      It is a myth that you need to give up the alpha lifestyle as you get older. With good game, you can keep it going till the day you die.

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  10. on March 12, 2012 at 3:58 pm evilalpha

    I think most of Murray’s blind spot comes from his age. He can’t imagine what female sexuality run amok looks like because he is in his Viagra years. We live it everyday so it’s not something we can fail to understand.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 6:46 pm Libertardian

      Agree, Boomers consistently have trouble grasping that it no longer makes sense for men to act like we’re still in the 1950s, just as the Depression generation doesn’t get that $100 isn’t a lot money any more. Hell we’d be better off if they were both right.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:27 am Anonymous

      Trying to talk about the “sexual marketplace,” hypergamy and how much things suck for trying to have a family of your own today with Baby Boomers and even Generation X folk who’ve been married for a few years is like asking a dog for directions to WalMart. (Your own grandparents may be starting to realize something’s up when they aren’t seeing a lot of grand/great-grand children and neither are any of their age-peer friends.)

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  11. on March 12, 2012 at 4:01 pm Anon

    Welfare laws and divorce laws favor female hypergamy.

    1. Lower socioeconomic chicks don’t need a hardworking beta to support them. All they need is bastard spawn and the welfare laws will kick in to support them with money from hardworking beta taxpayers.

    Their strategy is to pump out spawn from many different alphas, starting at age 14, and collect welfare. Once the spawn are grown, they can move on to collecting disability checks for their diabetes, obesity, and so forth.

    2. Higher socioeconomic chicks still need a hardworking beta to support them because of “appearances” and because they are accustomed to a more expensive lifestyle that can only be supported by divorce laws.

    Their strategy is to ride the alpha cock carousel in their prime years, marry a hardworking beta, pump out kids, get divorced, collect divorce money, and get back on the alpha cock carousel.

    Unlike their poorer counterparts, these women delude themselves into believing they are still desirable after pumping out a few betat kids and getting older. When they find that the alpha cock carousel of their youth is no longer accessible, they become railing feminists who prattle about how men (the alphas they desire) are immature and cannot handle a “real” woman.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 4:45 pm Columnist

      Welfare is also used by people kicked out of their jobs because of their un-PC viewpoints. Be careful for what you wish for.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 1:30 am Anonymous

        Left/liberal welfare agencies will find a way to deny THEM (you know, Rush fans and other such SPLC-identified Manosphere “haters”) benefits somehow, don’t worry.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:31 am Anonymous

      By George, I think he’s got it! 🙂

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  12. on March 12, 2012 at 4:02 pm george

    I see no evidence that civilization is compatible with women’s suffrage. High social status for women, indeed, appears compatible with just two forms of human ecology:

    1) Female saturated gender ratios resulting from high male mortality due to paleolithic die-offs of males from natural hazards.

    2) Female saturated gender ratios resulting from high male mortality due to neolithic die-offs of males from artificial hazards (single combat as the appeal of last resort in disputes in agrarian societies—and mass war in civilizations, but war appears dysgenic since the most heroic tend to die childless).

    In both cases high social status does NOT equate to high sexual status, and indeed seems to be an opposing force.

    Traditional religions relegate women to the low enough social status required of civilization.

    It is unclear whether high female to male ratios achieved via gender selection can let women have high social status in opposition to high sexual status, while maintaining civilization, but one thing is clear: Civilization is not natural and we should expect to have to do some pretty intrusive things to maintain it.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 4:59 pm Anonymous

      Except vote for Sanatorium. That would be taking things too far; and his getting anywhere near the ticket would spawn a massive third party run that might even have a chance of winning in November.

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  13. on March 12, 2012 at 4:02 pm Whitehall

    Most societies have, in the past, put much energy into controlling female reproduction. Usually this is through arranged marriages although strict Islamic societies go WAY further.

    Somehow, modern Western societies have become convinced that NO constraints on female sexuality is the only proper course. This trend started with the prosperity following the Industrial Revolution and has accelerated with the advent of easy-to-use and effective contraception. The folly of this sexual approach is becoming increasingly evident.

    Assuming the consequences are as bad as we predict, based on reasonable extrapolation, how do we change course and how do we do so? Using the instruments of government will be difficult although we can replace those policies that make matters worst, like we di with AFDC.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 4:48 pm Columnist

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113366/Muslim-women-share-husbands-lack-suitable-men.html

      Muslim career women in Britain are choosing to become involved in polygamous relationships because of a lack of suitable men.

      Some of them even choosing to become second or third wives to married men, according to the Islamic Sharia Council.

      The charity, based in Britain, gives legal guidance to Muslims and has said it is receiving a high number of queries from women struggling to find suitable partners.
      Many of the women have also said they would prefer to hold down high-profile jobs rather than look after their husbands.

      Taking more than one wife is illegal in the UK but men marry again in a nikah religious ceremony, allowing them to take up to four wives.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:15 pm Whitehall

        There are a US surplus of attractive women in their 40s. I’ve been looking into the practice of polygamy as an alternative to divorce. For a woman, there’s nothing like a hard look at the dating pool of men to see that being 2nd or 3rd or 4th mate might not be such a bad idea.

        As to what my advantages would be, the jury is still out. Divorce, especially with children, seems drastic and unnecessarily cruel. Plus I’d still be on the hook for support. Adding one or two others would improve the household female labor pool. Their part-time jobs could, on the margin, improve everyone’s financial position. New household members would be chosen for their bedtime proficiencies.

        “Big Love” was a clever protrayal but “Sister Wives” seems more realistic.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 6:03 pm anon

        >attractive woman
        >in her 40s

        Pick one.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 1:48 pm Kyo

        Slight refinement:

        >attractive
        >Western
        >in her 40s

        Pick two.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 9:05 pm HR Lincoln

        ???? Whitehall-
        You must not hang out in flyover country. Forget about attractive, hell, slender women over the age of 40 are uncommon in my neighborhood. If a middle-aged woman around here is naturally slender, she can be a snaggletoothed chainsmoking skank and still walk around like a queen because she gets approached aplenty.

        Good post. The obesity epidemic falls much more heavily upon men, since women don’t discount much for a few extra pounds on a man that demonstrates some dominance. There is no female version of Tony Soprano.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 9:50 pm Nutz

        “attractive women in their 40s”

        That’s a hell of an oxymoron. Then again I guess if you’re a lot older women in their 40s are a lot more attractive than those you’re own age (60s or 70s).

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 1:21 am Meyer

        Wow, Whitehall. I’ve been thinking exactly the same thing.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 12:33 pm John Norman Howard

        Take it easy, boys… some of them older broads still got a lotta good miles left on ’em. 😉

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 3:23 pm driveallnight

        Heh. My pop says exactly the same about his old beater pickup.

        He also says he keeps it because he can work on it himself, while the newer models are more complicated than they’re worth.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:23 pm Mr.magNIFicent1 is here

        “Somehow…”
        That’s rich. Could it be the thought-control-technology of mass media?

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 10:21 pm slumlord

        It’ll only be a matter of time before feminists in the West demand the same “right”. Seeing that the pool of alpha males is shrinking in the west, they will argue that it’s better to have an alpha male part-time than not at all.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 1:36 am Anonymous

        Alpha harem-owners (literally) cleaning up… all the Beta rest can go blow themsleves up for the 72 virgins. (See how all that works? Mohammed definitely had a plan with those 4 wives.)

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 10:33 pm Anonymous

      Folly for you maybe…

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 2:34 pm Anonymous

      Style + posturing = character for most women (at as far as they’re concerned). This would be the proverbial ‘gina tingle. The Rationalization Hamster (barring second thoughts like morals, values, vows and how going against them would hurt other people and bring other bad consequences) assures how pursuit of such “fun” is healthy and actually good. This is what women expect or are told to expect today.

      In Rory Miller’s book Mediations of Violence: A Comparison of Martial Arts Training and Real World Violence, he talks about living among street hustlers as part a school project: “I was told that any obligation– job, mortgage payment, or family– was a form of slavery. That only the homeless were truly free. That it was stupid to work when others were willing to and would give you money for the asking. There was no distinction between charities, panhandling, and government aid– the smart were given money, the stupid gave it.” This is pretty much where our marriage/relationship world nowadays with women expecting all the “highs” or they’re outta there.

      Rory Miller also describes the downside: “Violence is common with this group for very logical reasons. They fight to defend their territory and possessions because no other authority will do so. They will use violence to secure drugs or money to get drugs. They will fight for reputation because a victim reputation will unsure future vicimization.” That is the dynamic the modern dating/mating game with its mate-poaching, alpha-chasing “fun” buys into.

      Grown up tough where people tried to kill me for doing the right thing and not being a punk, I’m pretty Alpha… clean-living, responsibility and meaning what I say ensure survival. (Miller’s right about all he observes, too.) In college and the first years starting my career, however, most people hadn’t ever been in so much as a fist fight (watched Faces of Death, etc. maybe) and felt it “poh-tential” to be a selfish, impulsive loudmouth and “loser” behavior to be anything else. (“Integrity is a career-killer,” I also got told. Was invisible compared to self-destructive “a lot of fun” partyboys, too.) Now this is dating/mating world and “tough” people have watched something of the Discovery Channel for all adults today. Women in their 40s are still alpha-chasing on the “carousel” and anybody who’d be a good husband/father gets short shrift. Having recently been overseas, in a country where they destroyed everything down to the level of what Miller describes above, I can tell you we’re living in a fool’s paradise today.

      Burqahs, beatings and otherwise treating women like property are how our muslim brethren dealt with women who wouldn’t police their hypergamy and be civilized, because the alternative of destructive law-of-the-jungle libido-driven chaos was worse. (At the rate things are going, we’ll be dhimmis begging to live under Sharia in a few years.) I much prefer women who can grow up and police themselves to tyranny any day… one would think they would too.

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  14. on March 12, 2012 at 4:03 pm Harkat

    “The science is out there; when women become financially empowered, they begin to choose men based on criteria other than their ability to provide.”

    Isn’t it a leap of logic to decide that “criteria other than their ability to provide” = Alphaism?

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 7:02 pm Anonymous

      Yup, see A Voice for Men’s classic “Nice Guys are Emotional Toilet Paper”:
      http://www.avoiceformen.com/women/nice-guys-are-emotional-toilet-paper/

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  15. on March 12, 2012 at 4:04 pm John Norman Howard

    maglev pussy express… heh, heh… gold, baby!

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  16. on March 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm beefcake

    Hmmmm… I wonder if it is wrong for me to shamelessly blow my load in the womb of married women and girls with Beta boyfriends. I’m careful about it. I only do it if her boyfriend has my eye and hair color. I have some morals, I don’t want my bastard spawn easily spotted and tossed into the streets. I’d prefer the happy Beta raise my kids never the wiser.

    What is to dysgenic about that?

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 5:23 pm Sugar

      I guess you don’t live in the US? If you do, and you miscalculate your status with just one woman, she may throw some paternity shit at you and then you’re fucked. This is why you should always use condoms/pull out.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 1:36 am Anonymous

        Vasectory and cryo-freeze your sperm.

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  17. on March 12, 2012 at 4:08 pm george

    Divorce and remarriage are centralized in a minority of men in the West. For many, this means they leave behind a stream of women and possibly offspring. In extreme cases, they don’t even bother to marry and divorce—they merely cuckold other men. Both of these are less desirable for beta males than the situation in, say, Africa, where women do most of the agricultural labor because the environment lets them bear it.

    In the West, although women are “farming” the managerial state because the environment lets them bear it, the alphas don’t even show the betas the respect due to men who care for the alphas children. When polygyny is formalized, there are at least roles like eunuchs which are formally respected by the alphas—rather than having the alphas and their harems continually trying to convince the betas they are actually homosexual, or “hateful,” or that there’s something “wrong” with them, or whatever.

    It’s simply a more humane system than de facto polygyny because it is more honest.

    Monogamy, or more accurately, the suppression of of polygyny, is an artifact of technology which allowed us to expand into other climates (i.e. harsh climates with low carrying capacity) where female dependence on male technology for reproduction was a fact of life.

    So if the individual male is no longer the primary provider, then it’s Africanization time.

    The pressure toward de jure polygyny is actually from the females although they would never admit it. Many women simply cannot maintain a fertile relationship with a man who they perceive as genetically a dead end—which, in the current vicious environment, is any so-called “nice guy”. But neither can they admit to themselves what, exactly, is bugging them. So many end up with no children at all. Moreover, many women who end up being kicked out of their positions as concubines to the managerial state—usually right around the age they are starting to run a risk of “difficult” pregancies—would be far better off if they were in a real harem with relationships with fellow concubines and their children that are not going to be terminated just because they are no longer fertile.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 12:11 am whiskeysplace

      The experience of bin Laden would suggest that his harem was not a happy one. As does the history of the Ottoman Sultanate. Bin Laden’s wives hated each other, one older one dimed him out because she was angry he was with the new, younger-hotter one.

      Legalized harems don’t erase jealousy, anger, spite, or anything else. It leaves nothing for beta males but to kill their way into power. See the Muslim world, like scorpions in a bottle. Bin Laden killed his mentor, and his sons too. Just because women get that special tingle for assholes does not negate the advantage of technology. Indeed a struggle for scarce oil and food and other resources means that advantages accrue to those cultures that can suppress women’s tingles in favor of male cooperation and ever-advancing technology. True Facebook is fairly useless, but say, highly efficient extraction of “legacy” oil fields to dramatically increase yield is not. Nor are swarming, autonomous armed UAVs useless.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:38 am J.M

      Well prepare for devolution and a combination of Middle eastern-African conditions, even though I would expect more of the former.

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  18. on March 12, 2012 at 4:12 pm george

    Civilization is built on the pretense that husbands are alpha males so that they don’t revolt against those in positions of authority. The 60s exploded that pretense leaving the glass ceiling protecting those positions of authority as the real alpha males surrounding themselves by de-facto harems. It has taken decades, but the consequences are now coming home to roost in the form of high fertility rates among patriarchal immigrant cultures. Islam is the the likely beneficiary since it dispenses with the hypocrisy surrounding de-facto harems and formally sanctions harem sizes limited to a maximum of 4 females.

    No one wants to even consider what the counterpart to female liberation might be. But consider: A female’s godhood is exercised when she chooses which genes will pass through her to the next generation. A male’s godhood is exercised when he chooses which other male he will meet in a natural duel to prevent his genes from passing into the next generation — or die trying.

    If males are liberated, the glass ceiling would be shattered along with all positions of authority.

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  19. on March 12, 2012 at 4:13 pm n/a

    Old men like Murray and the social conservatives at NR and the New Criterion, etc., are fanatical whiteknighters, as destructive in their way as the feminist monsters who would seem to be their ideological opposites.

    Our balls are being squeezed by the double vise of lefty femcunts and righty socon whiteknighting mangina fools.

    Please release my sack, you fucking dolts.–

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 12:41 am LBK

      White knights are the enablers of feminism. The anti-male laws that oppress us were enacted by mostly male legislators, many of whom call themselves conservative. They are easily manipulated by feminists who know how to play the “poor little woman” card to get whatever they want from chivalrous old men who can’t bring themselves to say no to females.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:32 am Mark Slater

      “I think most of Murray’s blind spot comes from his age. He can’t imagine what female sexuality run amok looks like because he is in his Viagra years. We live it everyday so it’s not something we can fail to understand.”

      Evilalpha makes a good point, n/a. One one hand these social conservatives and such are very acute in their analysis. On the other hand they have simply been out of the SMP for too long. A part of them believes that this is still 1960 and female hypergamy, as it exists today, is simply not a consideration.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:51 pm n/a

        Mark,

        I agree. I read The New Criterion and it’s an amazing, monthly example of how many things geezers can get right while remaining essentially clueless.–

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 8:19 pm Anonymous

        There are things that cannot and WILL NOT be discussed in MSM – including Neocon media, such as Charles Murray’s AEI or New Criterion.

        Please trust me that the only God’s honest truth about what is going on is being discussed on Sailer, Occidental Observer, here, and some other similar sites. Derbyshire and some others at Taki are also starting to get a clue.

        But as we’ve seen with SPLC this week now taking aim at “game” blogs of all things- a cold wind is blowing.

        The usual suspects. Please trust me the police state we are moving deeper into is not an accident.

        In December of 2010, the FCC finagled the authority to “regulate the Internet.” You will be seeing more action on this front soon. What we are seeing with censorship from elements like SPLC is only the beginning.

        You must keep in mind that the Liberals and the Conservatives are both controlled by the same group. Both left and right are coming from both ends to meet at a middle point with the same goal.

        What is this goal? the subversion of society… eventually an elite ruling debased and demoralized masses.

        They are following a tried and true formula, which is how the Communists subverted traditional Russian society.

        Here is an ex-KGB agent spilling the beans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUH2Ep71NEg

        1. Demoralization — subtle brainwashing – (already completed – this was the goal of Political Correctness here in U.S.)

        2. Destabilization — the subverter gets more aggressive (2-5 years to destabilize a society) I believe we are in this stage right now

        3. Crisis — coming soon to a theatre near you. Can anyone say: total collapse of dollar, food shortages, riots in street, runs on the bank. Coincidence?

        4. Normalization — (can last indefintely) Violent Change of Power, and overthrow complete

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  20. on March 12, 2012 at 4:13 pm askjoe

    What does that even mean, men dropping out? Is that just old woman speak for men who don’t want to marry “magnetic, vivacious” women in their late 30s?

    As for lack of skills of the prole-set, isn’t that just blue state and euro-trash prejudice? The toyota and bmw plants are doing fine in union free red states while we will all be working into our 90’s to help pay for the UAW bailout given away to GM workers (among others) who retire early with defined benefits. Who’s to blame?

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 7:07 pm Libertardian

      “Manning out” and “going Galt” are my favorite terms for it.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 2:02 am Anonymous

        Otherwise known as MGTOW and porn.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:35 pm driveallnight

      “Dropping out” is when you poop on a chick. Geisha Kate loves it.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:38 pm Ben

        Heh

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  21. on March 12, 2012 at 4:14 pm george

    The much-lauded liberation of female “choice” — choice in sexual partners, reproductive choice, career choice, “lifestyle” choice, choice of social support services from the government — over the last generation is now a fixture of Western civilization.

    The moral force behind this female empowerment is the extent to which it represents returning to individual females their sovereignty.

    What about male individual sovereignty?

    Under natural law the ultimate power — the power that shapes the future — of female individual sovereignty is the choice of which genes make it into the next generation and that power is exercised through birth.

    Under natural law the ultimate power of male individual sovereignty is the choice of that which is to be killed in single combat.

    Civilization is founded on a meta-stable “deal” in which females give up their individual sovereignty to their mates and their mates give up their individual sovereignty to the State. If, in this scenario, you liberate only one sex, not only does civilization collapse, but until it does, the circumstances are unbearable to the sex not liberated.

    In Western civilization there is no going back to the age of females giving up their individual sovereignty to their mates, so Western civilization is ending and we are left with two choices:

    Figure out how to legitimize formal individual combat to the death between males, or adopt Islam.

    That’s a true dilemma

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 7:12 pm atyd

      i am reminded of the DUNE vision of the future from reading your comment.

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      • on March 16, 2012 at 5:07 am old guy, lower case

        He was truly a man ahead of his time.

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  22. on March 12, 2012 at 4:17 pm Peter

    I don’t buy the obesity excuse. Some thoughts:

    * Is the only reason you are interested in having a good job to get women?
    * Do you have no ambition of your own?
    * Do you have no self respect?

    If I end up alone for the rest of my life, I wouldn’t dare live at my parents, diddling away my time playing video games. I’d continue to grow my business, work out, eat well, enjoy my friends and family and continue my hobbies.

    Obese women aren’t an excuse for your laziness. Take responsibility for your own life. Create a life you want. And if that means you’d rather sit on your ass and blame women for your problems rather than go out and make a life that you love, then that’s your issue. But, last time I checked, there’s no obese women forcing men to be lazy.

    But maybe I misunderstood your point.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 5:05 pm TheCoolah

      You have it backwards. Men are being BLAMED for not “manning up.” The point of the post is that men have no incentive to man up, whatever that means. This is not about blaming women for our problems, because a lot of men don’t see this as a problem. They – we – are just tired of holier-than-thou types demanding that we become good little worker bees and pump out kids with some fat entitled bitch.

      It is entirely unsurprising that a lot of men say “fuck off” to that. I’m making my life better for my own sake. Maybe a woman and a family is in the cards, but it’s going to be on my terms, not hers and not what postmodern society says I ought to do.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 5:12 pm Nathan

      Peter, I agree completely. I have built a successful career for myself. I stay active and fit for myself. I don’t waste hours a day playing stupid video games because I would rather be doing constructive things for myself. Any man who is too worthless to do these things for himself is not going to magically start doing them if he thinks it will get him a LTR with an attractive women. We have raised a generation of young men who are fat, lazy, and irresponsible. The lack of marriage prospects have little to do with it.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 1:29 am LBK

        Nathan, so why are you wasting your time commenting on a game blog instead of out pursuing your all-important career?

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:00 pm Demetrius Jackson

        Asking the guy why he is reading the blog is NOT an arguement! If you dont like what he is saying,then answer him back. Saying “then why are you here” is pointless—he is here,so what??–and a bit beta.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 8:52 am Art Vandelay

        I suppose you enjoy your job and having that successful career makes you happy. That’s not the case for most people. To them the question is, why try and earn more money if you don’t have any needs that could be met with more money? People find other things to enjoy, for you it’s the career for others it’s “stupid video games”. Just means less competition for you.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:38 am LBK

      I make enough money to live comfortably, but I see no reason to bust my ass to make more, and more, and more. How much is enough? Once your basic needs are met, there is little point in striving for more and more money. Instead, I concentrate on developing my game, because it does me more good than additional money would.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:42 am LBK

      As for getting married, forget it. Most of the girls are too fat, and the few that are slim are far too entitled. And marriage is a huge risk for men anyway. The wise choice is to stay single.

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  23. on March 12, 2012 at 4:17 pm Anon

    Sluttery is much more discouraging for men than obesity.

    If I had no other choice, I would hook up with a fat chick with an apparent potential for hotness, and I will try to game her fat ass right to the gym along with an appropriate diet.

    A slut cannot unfuck all the guys who fucked her. So fuck her.

    And a fat slut. Well…

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 6:06 pm John Norman Howard

      Agreed… a fuck cannot be undone.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 6:46 pm Ace

      LOL….a flat slut sounds like an oxymoron….but you never know..

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 11:45 am Fit

      Well said.

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  24. on March 12, 2012 at 4:22 pm tschafer

    As my dad used to say “wait for the crash, pick up the pieces”. And yes, for all of their blather about the Sexual Revolution, Boomer guys are utterly naive about women. Their fathers and grandfathers were much more realistic.

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  25. on March 12, 2012 at 4:26 pm Aleph

    Where are the places in the United States where the population isn’t obese? Upper and upper-middle class seems to have a really low rate of obesity compared to lower and middle class people.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:45 am Mark Slater

      Well, Aleph, supposedly my home state of Colorado has the lowest obesity rate of all; but even here the picture is not all smiles and sunshine.

      We seem to have an extraordinary high number of women the sort I like to call “soft dykes”: women who obstensively desire men and yet posses many mannish characteristics. They dress and comport themselves sloppily and refuse to purchase even an inexpensive make-up kit at K-mart.

      The rest are married; bitter middle-aged walking tattoo shows; and Mexican nationals.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 2:33 am LFP

      Obesity is especially high in the southeast and among certain groups (eg, blacks). And everybody in Milwaukee. Stick to the big coastal cities or smaller college towns and you’ll find plenty of normally girthed women.

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  26. on March 12, 2012 at 4:28 pm Columnist

    If you really hate the elite, you should know they have access to almost unlimited, cheap energy. This is ether-technology.

    www(dot)etheric(dot)com
    www(dot)keshefoundation(dot)com

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 11:40 am Raider

      I think your foil hat is on too tight.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 6:04 pm Ben

        Incorrect. Too lose. Tighten that hat.

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  27. on March 12, 2012 at 4:28 pm Kato

    Is there a clearer, more visible sign of America’s ongoing collapse than the obesity epidemic? The people whose strong healthy ancestors built this country have become nothing more than blubberfied zombies.

    Surely objective eyes must view this phenomenon as a harbinger of the end?

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 2:35 am LFP

      Indeed, but now we have the “National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance.”

      http://www.naafaonline.com/dev2/

      Better living through redefining normal.

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  28. on March 12, 2012 at 4:33 pm GeishaKate

    “2. Women have priced themselves out of their dating pool of men by becoming economically independent.”

    Yep. Which is why, in an act of revolution (and other things), I plan to quit my job in favor of different work. Unfortunately, I cannot guarantee that a male will get my job. And I keep looking, but I don’t see any listings for geishas 🙂

    For GBFM’s list:
    Roxana
    McTeague
    Sister Carrie

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  29. on March 12, 2012 at 4:44 pm Leif

    The Chateau’s authors said it best in an earlier post: “The best way to get a man to marry you is to be a virgin.”

    If you’re a 21st century man good luck with that.

    I remember being a freshman in college and hitting on this one particular girl, and eventually her friend told me the girl I was hitting on really liked me. But…apparently she was really chaste and didn’t want to rush into anything with me. After all, I was told in confidentiality, she had previously only had 2 sexual partners in her 18 yr old life.

    BOOM. Immediately this chick went from possible LTR material in my mind to pump and dump. I can’t tolerate anyone’s leftovers. Never have and never will. 18 years old is freaking young, and any girl with sexual experience before college can be assured of a double digit partner count during college.

    As it turns out, to make a long story short, my alpha roommate ended up having sex with her during a party we threw having never met her before that night. Looks like I was spot on as far as how “really chaste” she was.

    Until women start closing their legs and demanding marriage again, and stop putting down the caramel popcorn, and stop dragging their alpha spawn behind them on a leash, FORGET MARRIAGE.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 4:58 pm n/a

      Do you mind that your virgin bride has slurped down many thick loads and defecated a solid pint of player come?

      Just want to know where the hymen-hunter draws his deluded line.–

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:19 pm Leif

        My condolences you got stuck with an aging broad in a sexless, loveless relationship before you knew any better. Bitter much?

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:22 pm n/a

        I think the yareallyesque word here is lol.

        Not a relationship kind of guy and I have a thing for the young stuff.–

        Now answer my question as to where you draw the line. I’m interested.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 6:12 pm Leif

        I’ve been blessed with enough success with women which has allowed me to exercise considerable choosiness with the girls I want in my life. I have the option to still be judgmental and not remain celibate. Do I date and have relationships with girls who have sexual experience? Of course, but I have no plans to marry them and I’ve noticed I naturally put forth less effort to preserve those relationships in which the woman has more experience.

        I suppose my provider instinct becomes strong when I meet a relatively innocent girl, and that helps me bond with a woman. There’s undoubtedly an evolutionary explanation for this. It’s simply much tougher for me to care about a woman and not treat her vagina like an expendable commodity (which sex is these days) when I realize she has previously screamed with joy at the 20 other dudes who have shoved their veiny penis in her.

        I don’t plan on marrying so I don’t draw the line anywhere. Like I stated earlier, I’ll get into relationships with girls with any amount of sexual experience but am simply less likely to preserve those relationships.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 4:00 pm n/a

        Thanks for your response.

        I assumed you were, in fact, looking for a virgin to marry. I still get that sense, for what it’s worth. And I feel that you are unhappy with what is on offer, despite your sexual success.

        Players and lechers, rare types indeed, cannot and do not fetishize purity in the women they fuck.

        Like almost all men who post here, you don’t strike me as either player or lecher, and that’s no insult.

        So what is you plan? You intend to behave as a player, even though you are no player at heart?

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 7:06 pm Leif

        You’re probably right, I wasn’t necessarily born a player but considering the raw deal marriage is I recognize the player lifestyle is a far better alternative than the latter.

        Thing is all women who remain virgins into their 20s today are either prudes, uber religious, or awkward. Being a virgin today is odd and typically so are the women who choose to be. I recognize being with a modern chaste woman is usually a drag.

        At the end of the day it’s simply disheartening to meet a quality young women these days without them already having been pumped like the piston of an old iron train.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 9:02 pm anon

        I’m a lecher and I do fetishize virginity. Not to the point where I wouldn’t fuck a girl if she wasnt a virgin, but I find a special joy in the idea of taking something pure and innocent and corrupting it. Prolly coz im chaotic evil.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 7:13 pm Libertardian

        Yuo = old-school FCer?

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:24 pm evilalpha

        Hmm.That’s an odd comment. Have you never been a girl’s first?

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:38 pm n/a

        What’s odd, evil?

        Popping a cherry has nothing to do with whether you were a girl’s “first.”

        In NYC they start going down early and often and numerous nice girls take it in the ass as high school sophomores.

        If I grew up in Indiana my dick would be red as a dog’s.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 3:29 pm evilalpha

        I cut my teeth on Catholic girls so I’m well aware of technical virginity. Cocksucking also trends younger than intercourse in every female sexual activity survey.

        With that said… the more firsts a woman has available to you… the better. Sluttiness is a bell curve and smart man does his best to seek those on the far left who have few when seeking LTR. I bang sluts, but I do not date them.

        Feminists hate me for it.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 5:35 pm Anon

      Totally agreed.
      Thank you very much.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 6:05 pm askjoe

        Wait another 5 years when every girl under 22 has been a porn star.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 1:31 pm Anon

        So what. Bonding with a whore is called settling. If all chicks are turning into hoes, then fuck’em all. It’s not written in the stars that all men should be married.
        It’s already happening. Most girls are unsuitable for marriage, and yet dumbass betas and alphas alike keep marrying them.
        It’s OK to have a relationship with a used up vagina in order to ensure a steady supply of affection and sex, but committing to a non-virgin, ie paying for what others got for free, is plain stupid. At least, it goes against a deep male instinct.
        Going against that instinct because of a lack of options is weak. Convincing yourself that it’s ok to bond with a non-virgin is convincing yourself with lies.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 2:09 pm Emma the Emo

        I want to ask: what makes you think a virgin is innocent and has no whore instincts? And are you sure about the idea that you must be paying for something that others got for free? If a non-virgin insists you pay for sex with her somehow, the previous partners didn’t necessarily get it for free either. Bonding is great, but don’t marry anyone. A virgin can get bored of you too, and take half your possessions.

        [heartiste: the difference between a virgin and a non-virgin: indulgence.]

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 4:24 pm Emma the Emo

        Makes sense, thanks. In that case, a virgin is still better, although it’s not totally safe to marry them either.

        ..after you’ve told me this, and I thought a little bit, I’m starting to get the guys who dislike non-virgins AND virgins. Nothing is stopping girls from having sex, it’s the normal thing to do. When I was a teenager, it was embarassing to be a virgin and be so “hung up” about sex, it was called “inhibition”. If you manage to go through all this pressure from both female peers and horny guys around you and still remain a virgin, then it means you either
        a) Have an uncommonly strong willpower and independence from peer pressure induced decisions for a teenager OR
        b) You’re asexual, scared, manophobic or too asocial for many guys to notice you.
        Maybe there are more options, but these stand out.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:02 am LBK

      All women are natural ho’s. No exceptions. It’s just that in the old days they did a better job of concealing their true nature from the deluded betas.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 4:02 pm n/a

        LBK,

        You’ve stated the absolute truth.

        Women *are* sex. Take it or leave it.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 3:35 pm evilalpha

        And all cars get driven. Yet which number driver you are, how much you paid to taker her off the lot, and whether she’s worth keeping in the garage or parking on the street minus wheel locks all matter.

        Feminists love you.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:41 am Anonymous

      “Until women start closing their legs and demanding marriage again, and stop putting down the caramel popcorn, and stop dragging their alpha spawn behind them on a leash, FORGET MARRIAGE.”

      Speaking the plain truth.

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  30. on March 12, 2012 at 5:08 pm Nathan

    I’m not disagreeing with any of the criticisms of modern women (to use the term loosely) in this post. But, I just don’t buy this idea that the lack of thin, attractive, marriage prospects is the cause of the explosion of obese, video game-playing, perpetual man-children in our society. Isn’t it just basic self-respect/self-preservation that causes us to work hard to be the best at our careers? Isn’t it just basic self-respect/self-preservation that makes us normal people want to take care of our bodies?

    I don’t need the prospect of marriage to want to do these things, and I can’t imagine that most other men do either. I look around at the guys I went to high school with and most are morbidly obese, work at menial jobs that require no skills or education, are obsessed with professional sports, dress like children, lack basic hygiene, cannot hold a basic conversation about any intellectual subject, etc. These guys were like this in high school – before the thought of marriage ever entered our minds.

    Let’s face it. There is some fundamental flaw in our society that is failing to properly socialize young men. We can’t keep pretending that if women would just lose weight, that these problems would be solved. The problem goes much deeper than that and is mostly independent of the problems discussed in this post. I just finished reading “Coming Apart” and Murray is spot on. I face the same challenges as other men when it comes to the current dating market, but I feel like there is an entire generation of men who I can’t even relate to. They are just sorry excuses for human beings and I’m not going to apologize for them because they have penises. Flame on.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 5:26 pm n/a

      You’re that lowest of all forms of life: the feminist mangina.

      “Socialize men?”

      Socialize this.

      “Males” like you are the true enemy.

      If only there was a fat red button; you’d be gone.–

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 5:46 pm Nathan

        Brilliant rebuttal. I’m guessing you’re the bastard spawn of a single mother yourself. If you were raised by a respectable patriarch like I was, you would realize that everything I stated is accurate. Now, go back to your shitty apartment and play some more WoW.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 11:47 pm Krakus

        Hey thanks you “patriarch” asswipe. Yes, we bastard spawn can simply change the past right?

        Yeah fuck you. I’m trying to change my behavior and fucking socialize in a world that’s fucking upside down at times and the best you can do is get on your god damn high horse AND you’re going to play same shame game when the rules have apparently changed?

        Fuck off. You’re the fucking snake oils salesman. Selling shit morals when you’re corrupt yourself. There does indeed need to be a new world order, and people of your caliber are too blind to see the hell is going on.

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      • on March 12, 2012 at 6:26 pm MZ

        Right on. It hasn’t occurred to Nate that the “fundamental flaw in our society” isn’t “failing to properly socialize young men”, it’s that they have been properly socialized, except by Nate and his feminist ilk. We’re reaping what the feminists sowed.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 2:51 am Lance Draper

        I think he’s right. The degeneration of women has largely been a reactionary process, albeit one spearheaded by the Cohens of the world.

        If a large number of men were to grow balls overnight and cast off their white-knight programming, women would come around in short order.

        Men have always been the leaders of the world, whether to ruin or to glory.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 5:56 pm evilalpha

      Your explanation doesn’t make sense. And yes it is standard mangina boilerplate

      Who raises the basement dwelling males? Huh?

      Fat, undesirable women propagate bad genes, ensure bad training for their sons(single parenthood) and are a disincentive to male competition. So yes they contribute greatly to the demise of manhood.
      What percentage of the loser guys from your HS had thin, attractive, married moms? I bet it was small, just like at my HS.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 5:58 pm Obstinance Works

      But nothing is there to motivate men to LTR commitments. Self-respect? What the hell is that? You want a social construct of shaming men to overrule the de facto motivations that men are being deprived of via socialism. You fail.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 6:29 pm noob

      I think you are simply underestimating (and not understanding/internalizing) how much of male motivation and drive derives from pussy, or the strong possibility of some sexual strategy actually being successful. When one sees all roads to quality pussy blocked, one loses the will to live.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 10:24 pm Big Game Hunter

      I can see where you’re coming from, Nathan, but…

      I like to think I’m pretty intelligent. I enjoy reading and learning about stuff just because I like it and I feel I can use the learning to my benefit in my life. I enjoy some crafts skills like taking a knife to a piece of wood and carving a little statuette of an old man or a simple functional eating utensil, and I enjoy some sports, for the pleasure of seeing what I can do and create, and feeling good about my physical being and health, and being able to do things. I like knowing I can run this long, or walk that long with a heavy rucksack, or shoot this well. I like spending time with my friends and family and doing stuff with them. All of it gives me pleasure. I don’t do it for women. But I don’t do it for society either, only because I myself want to do it and like it.

      That brings me to work and career. What if I don’t get anything that I like from working my ass off and pursuing some supposedly illustrious career? What then? If I don’t get off on sitting in the office, stressing about my calendar, planning shit that doesn’t really mean anything except a few more tens/hundreds/thousands of a thousand dollars for the company? If there’s no field of work I feel passionate or skilled enough to be able and willing to pursue it as a career? Should I pursue to become vice president of company X just for the title, work the long hours just for the paycheck that I couldn’t find any use for? I could buy a bigger place and car, but what for? Who’s gonna respect me more if I pursue such a career? Not anyone I care that much about. Why do I need their respect? I don’t care about them at all. They’re just other animals. I won’t work to hurt them, but I won’t work to become popular with them either, unless there’s something in it for me that I want. Should I waste my days at work, and wear myself out with stress and effort, and spend less time doing things I enjoy, like reading or working out, or hell, even playing the occasional video game? Gran Turismo 5 is fucking great.

      If I have a “simple” or at least simpler job, with friendly steady and predictable working hours and nice long weekends off and a modest but adequate pay check, and I’m happy with this, why the F would I pursue a “successful career” with a big title and big pay but shitty hours and lots more stress and wear and tear on my poor little brain? What if I don’t find such work/career centric life constructive, but a waste of time that could be spent on more pleasurable things, from working out to hitting on women?

      I’m looking out for myself. Most other people are not looking out for my interests, so I gotta do it. Other guys are the same. They’ll work enough to get money for their hobbies and other pleasures, but they won’t pursue big careers just because someone says they should. Does that make them and me man-children? I don’t see how. Makes them rational, more like.

      But as for those who’ll not do any work, nor take care of their health in any way, who hide in some hole to rot and wither and keep away from humanity… well, there is a thing called depression, and it’s more common every day I’d guess. It’s easy to be depressed in this world. We may be surrounded by safety and material welfare, but also trouble: we’re blamed for all the world’s miseries just because we’re neither poor nor black, our parents don’t know how to be parents, our traditional extended family / village / tribe social network is gone or in scattared pieces, nobody loves us, nobody gives a fuck, except the government, who gives a lot of fucks to get our money to support more social programs and immigration and save-the-whales-of-Rwanda programs. Our food is unhealthy, the air is polluted, and we live in cold concrete prisons, far from the friendly sounds of nature and the clear air. Hell, what’s there not to be depressed about. Life, on the other hand, can suck. These dudes won’t “man up” no matter how much they’re shamed. They’ll man up only if they have to, in order to survive, and in that case many will still fail and die. They’ll man up if they get professional help, or the right words from the right person that I give a damn about, and that’s not always easy to make happen.

      There’s another thing, too. It’s called being the bottom of the barrel. Nowadays it’s verboten to say or even think it, but we’re not all the same, every man an equal. Some of us have great talents, some have no talents. Most fall in between. These days, a lot of people survive that would never have survived in the wilderness of the old. Every day I go out the door I see bazillions of people that make me think: “You. If we turned the clock back 3000 years, you would be dead, or a different man. You’d never survive in that world. But here today? You can drag that meaty ass around safely, and no-one will kill and eat you because you can’t hold a weapon and can’t run without falling over breathless and helpless and don’t have the brains to design a trap to catch some food for your heroic self. Probably you would have died of sickness as a baby.” Nature’s waste disposal system doesn’t work. We broke it. Don’t be surprised if there’s waste around, that’s what you get from it.

      Harsh words. Yeah, but I don’t see that the general idea is so much mistaken from what the reality is.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 11:41 pm YaReally

        Classic story relating to your bit about “They’ll work enough to get money for their hobbies and other pleasures, but they won’t pursue big careers just because someone says they should. Does that make them and me man-children?”:

        “There was once a businessman who was sitting by the beach in a small Brazilian village.
        As he sat, he saw a Brazilian fisherman rowing a small boat towards the shore having caught quite few big fish.
        The businessman was impressed and asked the fisherman, “How long does it take you to catch so many fish?”
        The fisherman replied, “Oh, just a short while.”
        “Then why don’t you stay longer at sea and catch even more?” The businessman was astonished.
        “This is enough to feed my whole family,” the fisherman said.
        The businessman then asked, “So, what do you do for the rest of the day?”
        The fisherman replied, “Well, I usually wake up early in the morning, go out to sea and catch a few fish, then go back and play with my kids. In the afternoon, I take a nap with my wife, and evening comes, I join my buddies in the village for a drink — we play guitar, sing and dance throughout the night.”
        The businessman offered a suggestion to the fisherman.
        “I am a PhD in business management. I could help you to become a more successful person. From now on, you should spend more time at sea and try to catch as many fish as possible. When you have saved enough money, you could buy a bigger boat and catch even more fish. Soon you will be able to afford to buy more boats, set up your own company, your own production plant for canned food and distribution network. By then, you will have moved out of this village and to Sao Paulo, where you can set up HQ to manage your other branches.”
        The fisherman continues, “And after that?”
        The businessman laughs heartily, “After that, you can live like a king in your own house, and when the time is right, you can go public and float your shares in the Stock Exchange, and you will be rich.”
        The fisherman asks, “And after that?”
        The businessman says, “After that, you can finally retire, you can move to a house by the fishing village, wake up early in the morning, catch a few fish, then return home to play with kids, have a nice afternoon nap with your wife, and when evening comes, you can join your buddies for a drink, play the guitar, sing and dance throughout the night!”
        The fisherman was puzzled, “Isn’t that what I am doing now?””

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:10 am asdf

      Men aren’t consumers the way women are. They want a reasonably safe place to live, some good food, some money for entertainment. For a single man that isn’t all that hard to do in almost any job, or even without one if there is a welfare state.

      Nearly all of male effort is to get women. He gets a beamer to get women. He buys a giant house with a bunch of rooms he will rarely use to get women. He buys expensive clothes to look good for women. Men, normal men that aren’t weird narcissistic shallow status whores don’t do that sort of stuff.

      Exactly what are you striving for? Maybe you think its yourself but I doubt that. Material contribution to happiness fades after around $75,000/year, and I think that’s a little high for men. What’s the point after that? If the answer isn’t retire early then its usually either chicks or shallowness.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:26 am LBK

      Nathan sounds like a feminist troll.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:43 am Anonymous

      Women have become unrepent ‘Hos… no amount “socializing” young me will change that.

      Women worth marrying? Now, that might be something.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 2:01 am LBK

      Nathan, just because I enjoy sports and video games and avoid marriage doesn’t mean I’m not “socialized”. I have a career, but I’m not a fanatic about it. It pays the bills.

      Marriage today is a bad deal for men. It is rational to avoid it. Staying single is a wise choice. It does not mean that you are unsocialized, or immature, or whatever names the fembots call you. But Charles Murray and the other old social conservatives don’t understand that. They are out of touch with reality, which is what this post is about.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 2:49 am chris

      “Isn’t it just basic self-respect/self-preservation that causes us to work hard to be the best at our careers? Isn’t it just basic self-respect/self-preservation that makes us normal people want to take care of our bodies?”

      People don’t work for self respect. Case in point; people don’t get paid in self respect, they get paid in money. If you tried offering self-respect instead of money for work, people would stop working.

      “Let’s face it. There is some fundamental flaw in our society that is failing to properly socialize young men.”

      Yes, its the sluthood of women in the lower classes. Men don’t bust their ass to provide for sluts, and sluts don’t select men for sex based on their economic achievement. Not only does evolutionary psychology support this assertion, (see The evolution of human mating: Trade-offs and strategic pluralism @ http://www2.psych.ubc.ca/~schaller/Psyc591Readings/GangestadSimpson2000.pdf

      or also
      http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090513804000546

      http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090513805000759

      http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886910003235)

      but there is also an anthropological record which support this (see http://the10000yearexplosion.com/human-cultural-diversity/)

      i.e. “Generally dad societies are those where men work to feed their own offspring. Middle and upper class America is a dad society, especially the stereotype Ozzie and Harriet America of the 1950’s. Upper economic groups in contemporary industrial nations are all dadly with monogamous marriage and nuclear family households. We also find dad societies at the other end of the world economic spectrum, among foraging people in unproductive environments. For example the !Kung Bushmen of the Kalahari dessert of southern Africa have durable pair bonds and nuclear family households. They live in groups scattered over the desert but the groups are impermanent and their composition shifts as families move from one to the other. Pygmies of the Congo basin, Shoshone of the North American great basin, and many other groups where males are heavily involved in food production in an unfavorable environment are typical dad groups.

      There are foraging groups in unusually rich environments where the “foragers are dads ” generalization fails badly. Along the northwest coast of North America were Indian groups who exploited the rich reliable resource stream of salmon. The products of a few weeks of hard work during the run could be preserved, and this smoked salmon along with other ocean foods and gathered vegetables meant that men could withdraw from working for their families. Instead they spent a lot of time engaged in male status jockeying (e.g. potlatches), other kinds of display like totem poles, and local warfare. Foragers in the wetter, northern parts of Australia also had more art, display, and male violence, than others elsewhere on the continent.

      The most familiar examples to anthropology students of cad societies are found among tropical gardening societies. Gardening can mostly be left to the women, freeing men to be boys. Among economists there is the euphemism of “female farming systems ” to describe the African versions of these groups. The important characteristic of gardening systems is that they are found where land is free and where declining fertility and increasing weediness of a field is countered by abandoning it, girdling some trees, and burning down the forest to create a new field.

      As population density grows regional swiddening ecologies begin to fail simply because the ratio of land to people declines. Fallow periods become shorter as land that has not completely regenerated is again planted. There are two ways out now: one is to increase the local warfare in order to gain control of more land. The other way out is called “agricultural intensification ” meaning that more labor-intensive versions of land management begin to be used. Instead of letting land stay fallow for a decade the process of regeneration can be hastened by bringing manure and compost to the land, by irrigating it, by intensive weeding, and so on. In general human labor is substituted for land area and this new labor input comes from men. Males are dragged back into working to support their families, gaudy warriors turn into dreary peasants, and the life of males is again focused on the domestic household rather than on the men’s house.”

      So in short,

      It’s the mating strategy stoopid!

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 9:48 am Art Vandelay

      Well you can spin that story whichever way you like. You can totally make it the men’s fault by saying women are rather getting fat and a career than marry a video playing immature guy… Who knows. Prospects are pretty shitty for both.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 10:37 am Raider

      “There is some fundamental flaw in our society that is failing to properly socialize young men.”

      The “Peter Pan” syndrome you describe is a symptom of feminism. Why grow up if you don’t have to?

      50 years ago men were raise with the expectation that they would be responsible for feeding a family. If they couldn’t demonstrate that they were responsible providers, the best they could hope for was a relationship with a “shameful” or ugly woman.

      Today, you don’t have to provide for a woman, she can provide for herself. It isn’t shameful to be fat, ugly, or a “sexually empowered woman” anymore, but it is shameful for a woman to be dependent on a man, and it’s “shameful” for a man to expect to be responsible for someone other than himself.

      Feminism has raised the “man-child” generation. Why? Because it’s easier to manipulate a child than it is a man.

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  31. on March 12, 2012 at 5:13 pm Anton

    Have you ever heard the theory that the eating behavior of anorexic girls is driven by a subconscious fear of growing up into adult women?

    Perhaps the eating behavior of obese young women is driven by a subconscious fear of the sexual marketplace?

    Nah, it’s probably the culture…..

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 5:34 pm That Guy

      @Anton,

      Both Anorexic and Bulimia are symptoms of ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) in women.

      See the work of Simon Baron-Cohen for more (cousin of Sasha BTW)

      http://www.eating-disorder-resources.com/eating-disorder-articles/anorexia/anorexia-and-autism-may-be-linked/

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 8:54 pm eLa

      What do obese women have to fear from the sexual marketplace? There is an unending supply of not unattractive men available to bang them and tell them they’re hot and all that. There are so many that fat women feel perfectly entitled to expect male models or something like that.

      [heartiste: not really. while men are less discriminating than women, and there are total losers in the male ranks who would dump a fuck in a cow, the fact remains that the sex and love lives of fat women are atrociously bad. i posted a study here some time ago that showed fat women have FEWER sexual partners than thin women. and it gets worse for fat women the more demands they make of men; enduring a sloppy, selfish fuck for a night is a far easier, and far less satisfying, goal for women than winning the love and commitment of a man.]

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  32. on March 12, 2012 at 5:15 pm Island

    shrinking gap does not equal a shrinking waistline apparently

    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.pdf?&chart_type=line&graph_id=&category_id=&recession_bars=On&width=630&height=378&bgcolor=%23b3cde7&graph_bgcolor=%23ffffff&txtcolor=%23000000&ts=8&preserve_ratio=true&fo=ve&id=LNS11300001,LNS11300002&transformation=lin,lin&scale=Left,Left&range=Max,Max&cosd=1948-01-01,1948-01-01&coed=2012-02-01,2012-02-01&line_color=%230000ff,%23ff0000&link_values=,&mark_type=NONE,NONE&mw=4,4&line_style=Solid,Solid&lw=1,1&vintage_date=2012-03-12,2012-03-12&revision_date=2012-03-12,2012-03-12&mma=0,0&nd=,&ost=,&oet=,&fml=a,a&fq=Monthly,Monthly&fam=avg,avg&fgst=lin,lin

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 6:06 pm Ben

      That url is a blog post in itself.

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  33. on March 12, 2012 at 5:26 pm noob

    “Imagine you are an unmarried working class dude recently unemployed. You look around you and marvel at a sea of grotesquely misshapen fat women, rolls upon rolls of undulating flesh hiding stores of cheesy poofs, porky hellion spawn trailing their wakes, chins resting atop chins, bloated diabetic cankles stomping the Walmartian grounds like lumbering elephants. In some towns, close to 40% of the available single women are clinically OBESE.”

    Dear god, man. I was eating! At least give a warning first.

    Other than that, pure poetry. You truly are a shining beacon in our collective herd of monkeys.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 7:56 pm corvinus

      The fattest parts of the U.S. appear to be majority black and Hispanic areas. I think we can all agree that the majority of black and Hispanic women in the U.S. are lard-butts. They don’t have to worry about never getting any thanks to the high libido of black men and the lopsided sex ratio among Hispanics. White women aren’t so bad… at least not yet. Hopefully they never get that bad.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 12:48 am Dan

      Could have used a “trigger warning”, like on all the feminist princess websites. Trigger Warning: the following accurate description of 50% of single women over the age of 24 may cause you mind to vomit into the inside of your eye sockets.

      Competition for the few remaining acceptable women will be brutal. Better keep the sword of your gamesmanship sharpened keenly.

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  34. on March 12, 2012 at 5:32 pm anon

    What advice would you give a teenage boy in ten years? Seems to me “make it into the upper middle class” is a prerequisite to thin pussy access. Game is required too, but secondary.

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    • on March 12, 2012 at 6:43 pm Paul Canter

      Make sure he majors in something that will actually get him work. Accounting, engineering, hard sciences, math, medicine, etc. So many college students major in shit like history, psych, soc, art, and expect to make 100k right after they graduate, only to find the only jobs available to them are those that involve delivering pizza.

      [heartiste: this is all well and good, but only the top 20% of men have the mental agility to handle the coursework involved to get into these lucrative career tracks.]

      Also, when he is younger, make sure he plays team sports: football (American), lacrosse, basketball, baseball. He will play with fellow alpha kids, with alpha fathers, alpha coaches, and develop a competitive spirit. Not to mention he will develop bigger, stronger, and young chicks love athletes, which will give him confidence and experience early on. Encourage him early on to date girls (although don’t encourage sex, I don’t think anyone under 16yo should be having sex). My fucking parents had me play the violin and and other beta/feminine shit like that and made me scared of girls and now I’m a hopeless 20yo recovering beta (although I don’t think I’ll ever be able to fully recover).

      [every parent of a son should drop an electric guitar in his lap by the time he’s old enough that his fingers can reach around the fret board. any other instrument would be…. uncivilized.]

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 1:36 pm Anonymous

        “Accounting, engineering, hard sciences, math, medicine, etc”

        Many of those career don’t pay nearly as well as the used to.

        I was stunned to read Accounting and Finance majors get paid less than Economics majors (I’m a finance-economics major). If the major does not fall strictly within the realms of math and physics, it’s rarely worth anything anymore. Sure, a few outliers make it big, but everyone else has a rough existence ahead.

        Even Mechanical Engineers are struggling right now unless they are willing to leave their family and friends for greener pastures.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 6:14 pm Paul Canter

        I’m an accounting major and although I’ll likely never become rich from it unless I become a partner at an accounting firm or a CFO, becoming an accountant almost guarantees you at least a middle class lifestyle and a 50k/year job, averaging 75k/year for CPAs. And that is fine with me, the ceiling for accountants can be pretty high, but the floor is high as well. I don’t love accounting, but there is a “margin of safety” (there I go with the accounting lingo) if you will to the profession, back in 2009 100% of the accounting grads at my school had jobs at graduation and averaged 45k/year starting salary (45k goes a long way here in Buffalo, NY where I live).

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 10:15 pm Anonymous

        I majored in history. I don’t consider that a “loser track.” It’s true that a large number of idiots pursue those majors because they think it’s easy (and it is easier to achieve a minimum standard in the fields you described than other fields), but when you are actually skilled as a historian, sociologist, anthropologist, etc., trust me, you don’t really need much more than a cursory glance at game.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 12:14 am Paul Canter

        For any recent grads from anywhere but the most elite schools, it certainly is a loser track. #NoJobs

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 8:43 am itsme

        My fucking parents had me play the violin and and other beta/feminine shit like that

        violin: beta
        electric violin: alpha

        i bet if mystery played the violin it would be something like this:

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:25 am LBK

      Game will do more good than being upper middle class. Women in their prime want alphas. Beta men who follow the rules and diligently pursue their careers are shut out of the sex market during their twenties. After age 30 they have a chance to marry a used-up over-the hill broad who is rapidly approaching the wall and is desperate to find a provider before her ovaries dry up. After the kids are born, there is a high risk of wife-initiated divorce and financial ruin for the husband.

      Overall, being upper middle class is not a desirable lifestyle. You bust your ass to make money for… what? To buy a an overpriced McMansion? To pay alimony to your ex who dumped you? To buy a bunch of stuff you don’t need?

      Screw it. It’s more fun to be a bad boy alpha that the chix like to fuck than a beta hubby.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:47 am Anonymous

      Or, failing that, be buff looking and a complete asshole. Hotwives dig dangerous hunks who get them pregant while their huband’s at the office– what, like you could afford to get married then?

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 8:33 am Anonymous

      Really good question that often degenerates here into a flame war about how to advise a teenage daughter, instead.

      The biggest mistake is when extended family tell a teenage boy, who may have been the most popular and smartest kid in grade school, that he can safely ignore the admittedly brain dead high school (and middle school) environments, where brains count for less than they did in grade school, and still do OK later in life. That’s a myth. The crucible of life should be learning how to get laid in a brain dead high school environment.

      Don’t let anyone tell a boy to delay gratification until he can get to an environment, such as the Ivy League, where the women will supposedly be smarter. The women won’t be all that much smarter anywhere and they’ll always overvalue the projected length of time that their SMV will be high.

      For college, tell the kid not to be chivalrous and not to agree with feminists and other socialists as a strategy of getting laid. It won’t work.

      Tell the kid to always assume that, if a woman has come to his room or invited him to his room to study or anything else, it really is to afford him the opportunity to make a move that he must make because the females won’t give any other IOI other than sitting on his bed. Period.

      It’s a huge mistake for a young male to think that he’d be betraying a woman’s trust if he makes a pass on her when they’d technically only agreed to study for tomorrow’s exam together. You’re actually betraying everyone’s trust not to constantly make moves on the women you desire. This is the hardes thing for a young man to learn.

      My biggest mistake in my life was walking away when my roommate’s new female friend came to our room to tell me that she preferred me more. I wanted to follow a “bro code” so I walked away. Such golden opportunities on a silver platter, at least with the hottest 17 year olds, don’t repeat themselves throughout life.

      Tell him not to study too hard and at least always study with females in their dorms.

      The young man should have studied abroad for free and he should build a career in a part of the world where feminism isn’t big (Brazil, China, etc).

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 2:07 pm itsme

      nah, with tight game your splooge will spurt across class boundaries.

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  35. on March 12, 2012 at 5:50 pm GeishaKate

    @ Leif: I understand what you are saying about the value of chastity, but do you have any idea of the SACRIFICE that goes into maintaining that- especially as one gets older? And should women really be demanding marriage? I don’t think anybody wants to force someone to marry them; it should be voluntary 🙂

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 4:13 pm Leif

      Once you understand the sacrifice males have traditionally made, working a full-time blue collar job they hate their entire life, the woman better be bringing something to the table and a used-up vagina doesn’t bolster her case.

      Part of the problem is women used to get married in their teens long ago where the man could be certain of her sexual history, and it also meant she retained her great looks for the next 15 years of marriage.

      Today, yes it’s pretty unrealistic for a man to expect a woman to remain chaste soon into her 20s. But it’s also unrealistic to expect men’s hindbrain preferences for chaste, young women to change either.

      The marriage of yesteryear was marrying a chaste woman and living in a holy grail of her prime pussy the next 15 years. The marriage of today is marrying an already over-the-hill woman who’s been pumped like a piston on an old iron train.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 4:36 pm Anon

        She’ll respond that women now work too…

        Give it up, bro.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 10:13 pm Passingby

      If you (you qua you, not you in particular) want to delay marriage, to find out which 18 year old kid is going to turn into the 30 year old you want to be married to, you cannot really be pissed if, 12 years later, that 30 year old plays his own coupling-game cards in a way that does not dovetail with your strategy.

      So feel free to do as you will from 18-30, but you need to own the resulting consequences. One consequence may be 30 year old men who find your 12 partner sexual history off-putting or even unacceptable. The same way a woman finds marrying an 18 year of of uncertain prospects off-putting or even unacceptable.

      Calling that 30 year old “immature” or telling him to “man up”, as too many women do now, is absurd. He is simply exercising his own ability to make decisions.

      I would never marry some 30 year old woman with 15 years or riding 12 different guys. She may be a wonderful person. She may be a fine lover. But the statistics bear it out I think: she is a very high risk for divorce (I think it is something like 85% for that profile). The innate revulsion men feel for promiscuous women as childbearing mates comes from something in them that recognizes that promiscuous women=flake. Flakes are for short term fun, not the risky, serious business of marriage and children.

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  36. on March 12, 2012 at 5:56 pm GeishaKate

    @ Anton: both states are about avoidance of sexuality, imho.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 2:48 pm driveallnight

      I’m going with Anton’s “subconscious fear of the sexual marketplace.”

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  37. on March 12, 2012 at 5:58 pm Grit

    Video games – luxury of the highest order, monopolizing all of our time

    Video games – first thing to go when shit goes down

    Female confidence – luxury of the highest order

    Female confidence – first thing to go when shit goes down

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 9:15 pm anon

      If the video games ever disappear, there will be a legion of pissed off omega males like me with nowhere to divert our misanthropic hatred and a lot of practice jerking off.

      All I can say is ladies YOU GONNA GET RAPED

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  38. on March 12, 2012 at 6:04 pm carolyn

    i’d say the first reason you listed-lack of jobs for the male left side of the bell curve-has a lot more to do with guys dropping out of the market than mere obesity.

    perhaps a blog post about the treasonous behavior of our corporate betters is in order. think about it: if all overweight became slim overnight the trajectory wouldn’t change. don’t kid yourself.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 6:50 pm james

      you’re right. the fact that our bourgeoisie has been making us work harder and longer for less money for the last 40 years is pretty hard to blame on female obesity, as much as i hate the latter.

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  39. on March 12, 2012 at 6:06 pm Billford

    I read Murray’s book. There were specific passages where social workers were talking about how they noticed a trend that it was the women who were working, and taking care of the kids, while the husband stayed at home to play video games and lived off welfare or the woman’s meager salary.

    He seemed to be making the safe statement that there are a lot of men out there who ought simply to man up and not be bums. So for what its worth, I think you can reconcile Murray with the theme of this blog: A lot of women are themselves unworthy, but also a lot of men are just plain bums too. There is probably some cause and effect, but I bet it runs both ways.

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  40. on March 12, 2012 at 6:07 pm Blue

    “Imagine you are an unmarried working class dude recently unemployed. You look around you and marvel at a sea of grotesquely misshapen fat women, rolls upon rolls of undulating flesh hiding stores of cheesy poofs, porky hellion spawn trailing their wakes, chins resting atop chins, bloated diabetic cankles stomping the Walmartian grounds like lumbering elephants. In some towns, close to 40% of the available single women are clinically OBESE.”

    I almost threw up in my mouth a little reading this. Then I realized the only way in which it doesn’t describe my home town is that 40% is probably too low of an estimate.

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  41. on March 12, 2012 at 6:20 pm kidbourbon

    I think you have a causation problem here.

    — Men flounder.
    — Women find themselves in paying positions that might otherwise be taken by men if men weren’t floundering.
    — These paying positions allow women to become financially independent, which allows them to choose their male sexual partners without regard to fiscal considerations.
    — As a result, the floundering man still gets laid.

    So how can your statement that “Women are making sexual choices, and men are responding to those choices” possibly be true?

    [heartiste: because the floundering isn’t the attraction trigger. or: women aren’t sleeping with just any old floundering man.]

    The floundering man didn’t figure out that he could still get laid until after he had been floundering for some time, yes? The floundering had to come first.

    [if women are less interested in marriage to men who are making low wages because those women already make a living wage, then those men will respond by slowly dropping out of the job market. then a negative feedback loop ensues, where the growing ranks of floundering men become ever more unattractive to women.
    now add this phenomenon to female obesity — where growing (heh) ranks of women become ever more unattractive to men — and you get what we have going on today: a lot of unattractive women who can’t find an acceptable man to commit to them, and fewer attractive women getting their needs met with skittles men alpha males or, for the lucky ones, very well-employed men.]

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 4:20 pm John Norman Howard

      – Men flounder.
      – Women find themselves in paying positions that might otherwise be taken by men if men weren’t floundering.

      You got it wrong…

      – Men need to make a certain amount of money to support a wife and children.
      – Women come along and will work for half of what a man makes, because her job is gravy and hubby is already bringing in the majority support dough with his job. It doesn’t really matter if she does the job as well, merely that she does the job somewhat competently, because management types don’t often understand what they’re managing anyway, and by the time the bottom-line is affected, well… too late to change anything.
      -Jobs that used to be done by a man now no longer pay a viable wage for a man who has to support a wife and children.

      Flounder ain’t got nuthin’ to do with it.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 5:24 pm noob

      Young and pretty women are given employment just because they are young and pretty. No real skills, just a pretty face and a smile will easily win you promotions.

      Not my words, but a swedish feminist who wrote a book about female employment and has been a consultant for women in the workplace for over two decades. It’s interesting when there is no direct conflict of interest with their own goals, what these aging feminists will say.

      There are really no jobs for which a woman can’t apply to in todays world without being discriminated against. There are plenty of jobs for which a man is at a serious disadvantage over a young and pretty woman.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 8:17 am evilalpha

        interesting. I googled, but nothing came up. Do you remember her name?

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      • on March 15, 2012 at 10:11 am noob

        It was just some random library book I read, not on internet. Just find a book that’s written for leading men, who these feminists think are already indoctrinated–on how to lead women to make their careers better. Book written for male leaders, about how to help young career women have a full active career. I would think you will indubitably find similar advice, about how give real feedback and why giving that real feedback is critical so that these women don’t crash and burn when they hit their thirties and fourties.

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    • on March 14, 2012 at 12:19 am Obstinance Works

      If you had a day in my shoes, you would understand. Women check me out, stop and stare even with boyfriends/husbands present, let me say almost anything to them, constant surprises of human nature etc. all without me disclosing anything of worth about my career or future financial prospects. I’m an alpha, and I get sexual respect from random strange women all the time. It’s not about money for the most part when it comes to getting poon. So why even bother with the rest of it? It’s getting more surreal every passing hour in this feminist utopia. Yes I have plans to make a lot more money than I make now. I want to make it big in the import/export trade in a couple of years and have many business ideas. Both my grandfathers were inventors and great craftsmen. I have a better business mind, but none of this has anything to do with the motivations other than my material comfort. I can have women on my own terms. I could even pimp them out if I was the same evil bastard I used to be a few years ago.

      But if this were not true, I don’t think I would be quite as motivated. I probably would have dropped out to the extent some of my friends had. My ex-best friend just lives off of the state titty whilst he wanes his youth and vigor away on video games and snacks–brain addled with cat diseases and bipolar medicines.

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  42. on March 12, 2012 at 6:20 pm berg

    I add another thing!

    I want to work with white men. I want to spend my day with people like me.

    I don’t want to have to work with H1-B Visa Punjabs. I don’t want to work with Chinese who talk about leaving the project and going back to China (with all the information.) I don’t want to work with on a ‘Diverse Team.’

    I want to work with European Descended men who drink beer and discuss blowing things up while drinking said beer.

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  43. on March 12, 2012 at 7:03 pm attractionreaction

    OneSTDV – w/ whom I frequently disagree – had a thought-provoking post recently, that the demonization of animal food -> promotion of carbs/grains was a result of a big influx of Jews post-WW2:

    http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2012/02/are-jews-to-blame-for-vegetarianism.html

    At first I though it was far-fetched, and he certainly didn’t explain it well, but the more I though about it, the more it seemed plausible.

    The Jews come to America; their dietary practices – specifically, avoiding pig – brand them as “different”; being God’s chosen people, they don’t think they should change, but that all of America should change to accommodate them. How to get Americans to stop eating pig w/o saying the real reason? Float the idea that animal fat is un-healthy.

    That wasn’t the real reason, so cries of “but Jews eat tunza cowz!” does not refute the hypothesis. We now know, from Gary Taubes’ Good Calories Bad Calories, that the science never supported this claim (the demonization of animal fat), so why did the idea get supported in the first place?

    Not saying I’m sure it’s true, just worth considering.

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  44. on March 12, 2012 at 7:09 pm lower beta reality

    Upper middle class doesn’t guarantee anything as far as thin 7’s or over. The closest I have to a relationship is a gay one with the taxman.

    I know plenty of hard working single guys that get nothing, scraps, MOB or prostitutes. I know a few unemployed “loser” alphas that don’t work and haven’t in years but still clean up. Of course theres some in-between like herb men in marriages but thats beside the point.

    Society hates those that drop out. Good for them and why exactly should they care.

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  45. on March 12, 2012 at 7:24 pm Markku

    “I have some morals, I don’t want my bastard spawn easily spotted and tossed into the streets.”

    The cost of genetic sequencing is falling rapidly. WIthin a decade or two everybody will get their full genome mapped for the purposes of personalized medicine. There will be full and universal disclosure of paternity soon, as a by-product. Some legislators in the US are already backing the rights of victims of paternity fraud. Sow enough bastard spawn and you run a high risk of being sued for everything and your shirt some day.

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  46. on March 12, 2012 at 8:11 pm Mike

    Don’t blame Murray for not making female hypergamy part of his book. Although it would be a better, more complete book if he had, the guy’s already on the intellectual shit list because of The Bell Curve. Why should he deal with the level of attack that would lead to?

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  47. on March 12, 2012 at 8:15 pm Uncle Elmer

    A man wants a wife, not a co-worker.

    http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/03/06/what-do-men-want-in-a-wife-and-why-wont-wives-oblige/

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  48. on March 12, 2012 at 8:37 pm Doc

    Hmmm… Can’t say that I disagree with anything here. I know that when I was in grad-school and not making much, while I had more than my share of older women (all married or divorced) – it was purely for fun. And the younger ones were in school, so I was older, teaching, and lived on my own so from there perspective was highly sought after. Of course the number of women my age who were working were another story – while I had no problem for a night, I never really sought anything more, but I knew there was no way there ever would be anything long term. Of course, the fact that I made that clear up-front made it a challenge for some of them.

    Of course these days I’m a lot older, and tend to have my pick of women – although I limit myself to the 18-32 age bracket with my tendency being younger than 25 for the fun things, and the older ones for anything requiring some appreciation of culture or the finer things in life. Can’t say I do so well due to “game” since that didn’t exist in my day, but almost everything I’ve learned over the years is somehow incorporated into various teachings – at least from the few things I’ve read.

    One thing I’ve noticed is women on the East Coast are the fattest in percentage – with CO and places like Hollywood being good at least for quick, no-strings-attached sex, but for the most choices, there is no place like Texas – although I understand that has changed with the Hispanics flooding in… But in general, if you want women who are sweet, lovely, feminine and knows how to treat a man – you have to go out of the US and most of the European countries. The ex-Soviet Bloc countries are wonderful for incredibly intelligent women who take care of themselves, and know how to treat a man. I was over in the Ukraine for about six months and dates doctors and engineers (all amazing women) who would cook dinner and generally spoil me rotten. I had to leave after six months or I would have gotten fat from all of the wonderful food, and spoiled from the incredible sex. To this day, very very few American women can come close in the sex department, and none in just being nice and knowing how to BE A WOMAN… (It’s like they don’t let any of the women below a 8.5 out of house…)

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  49. on March 12, 2012 at 9:07 pm Libertardian

    Nice, Korean men get to work harder at scarcer employment opportunities for less pay thanks to compulsory military service. Feminazis should lace up their size 13 waffle-tread jackboots and stomp right over there to protest the sexist exclusion of women from the draft.

    http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/03/116_106768.html

    In other news, the free market wins again.

    http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/03/117_106676.html

    “Social network services have emerged as hotbed for prostitution and the trafficking of obscene material, news reports said Sunday.”

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  50. on March 12, 2012 at 9:21 pm ATYD

    OPTIONS of young men (age 18) in 2012 America

    for the 90% of men (underclass, working, and lower middle)

    1. the STREET/PRISON-common for underclass men, high risk of death or life imprisonment but you can act like a fucking boss (at least for a while). Might fuck hot bitches if you are lucky but family formation is very difficult. this is the barrio, the ghetto, and the trailer park.

    2. the MILITARY-common for underclass and much of the working class, perhaps the last equal opportunity employer in America. high risk of a cheating wife while away, and high risk of injury or mental scarring. Pluses: get ripped, get discipline, get brotherhood? this is the middle american and rural southern way.

    3. the McJOB-common for everyone. low risk of injury obviously. demeaning service position, unless you are lucky enough to be grandfathered into some position via family connection. You get no respect, accumulate no real money. You may supplement this with an ‘artistic’ endeavor to possibly get bitches. But most supplement the no-future-wage-slavery with video games and porn.

    4. the COLLEGE-common for poor kids who are good at the maths, ambitious minorities and the entire middle class. A few smart poor kids get scholarship but for most this means debt slavery for life with no hope of paying it off. Most end up returning to the McJob after a year or two, but some get on an INSTITUTION track that leads us to…

    5. the GOOD LIFE (reserved for the rich, upper-middle class, and a few smart and lucky stragglers from elsewhere). They get good food, vacation, relative job security, ‘important’ and ‘creative’ work, nice neighborhoods, thin girls and marriages if they want them. Graduating from a real college not a McCollege is crucial. Advanced degrees are also now necessary in most cases. This is about 10% of people.

    NOTE: This life was extended to much of the population after WWII, but has since been taken back through outsourcing, low-skill labor competition and free trade which have destroyed good paying (usually union) jobs for the average (white) man. automation has also played a big role. Many try to keep up their old lifestyle through debt, but this is clearly over now.

    While losing economic relevancy, the average man also lost his social relevancy. Once held in high esteem and respected (even if it was only lip service), the average white guy now is de-emphasized and mocked by mainstream culture. Multiculturalism conspired to destroy is past, and diversity, his future. Feminism, for the reasons you have gone over many times, also denies the average man a stake in society (and the subsequent possibility of settling down.)

    As you say, all signs point to this getting worse with no hope of reform. The upper classes will make no change until they have to. Why should they care? Who cares what a low class man thinks? Our ruling class needs the average American man less and less these days. He no longer grows their food. He no longer makes their stuff (this is now done by machines or poor brown people.) He doesn’t even fight in their wars anymore (we are seeing a shift to robots and mercenaries). Women will fill most of the service jobs. The average American man has become a nuisance to the elites. His backward ways are an embarrassment. He is an anachronism not fit for our globalized world. The New York Times says ‘education and innovation,’ but the average man isn’t apt for this. Fox News say hard work and responsibility but these virtues don’t provide the same rewards they used to.

    What we have left is a small, educated class that either does the government paperwork, cares for the super computers, or entertains the rich. A small portion of the poor will be enlisted to protect the rich as always. Everyone else will fight for scraps in the street or wait for a job to open up. Most will get by on handouts of some sort.

    This is where we are headed. Expect an increasing police state to deal with the diminishing future. Expect more wars to divert and employ the men. Expect academia/media/government/banks and other corporations to close ranks and become even more nepotistic as civic culture collapses.

    Triage. Culling the Herd. Austerity. It all means the same thing. And barring some major tech breakthrough, natural disaster or uprising, this reality is here to stay. It is actually a return to he norm in some ways.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:57 pm carolyn

      ‘Triage. Culling the Herd. Austerity.’

      an insightful and well-written comment.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 2:07 pm n/a

      “Feudalism” was the word you were looking for?

      And yet — and yet — what you call “the poor” live infinitely easier and better lives than the serfs did.

      Maybe *things* aren’t so bad after all. Maybe *the mood* is what’s bad.

      And that bad mood will not end until men assert control through violence. And that means total, world war. Hot war between the great powers for years on end. Such a war means the end of “feminism,” the end of “victim culture,” the end of “environmentalism,” the end of everything one so rightly hates.

      The one thing always lacking from all this analysis is the desperate need of the advanced cultures for the blood and gore tsunami which washes away the boredom of the males and the settled depravity of the (glorious) whores.

      It’s coming. Lots of unlaid Chinese motherfuckers. Lots of horny Muz. Lots of crazy browns. They want that good pussy and there’s only one way to get it.

      With a gun. Gun game.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:13 pm carolyn

        With a gun. Gun game.

        god forbid. i hope you’re wrong, but i’m not optimistic.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 12:12 am Krakus

        The Alt-Right typically engages in this despair porn. The truth is that technology = better living for all. The conclusion? Things are the best they’ve been, even though some minor social hiccups are present.

        [heartiste: that’s what i used to think. but reappraisal was in order. the high tech gadgetry is distraction, a coat of paint over an increasingly decrepit hull. the storm gathers on the horizon as we look in the opposite direction at a pretty sunset.]

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 2:19 pm n/a

        @Krakus,

        You misunderstand me on several levels.

        1. There is no “despair” at the prospect of a great and total war, quite the opposite, because war incinerates the fat of false ideas. Savage wars leave no place for the insipid and destructive ideologies of decadence: “feminism,” “environmentalism,” etc.

        In short: Coup de torchon. Clean slate.–

        2. There is no question that human lives are *materially* better and easier than they’ve ever been. That leaves you to explain the *mood* of, say, Houellebecq, or, indeed, the apparent infinity of apocalypse-mongers here and all over the web.

        3. “Feminism” and “environmentalism” are not “minor social hiccups” — they are the terrible and nihilistic pathologies gutting the morale of what should be the best and most intelligent people. They are the SWPL’s double-deathwish.

        @CH,

        The “high tech gadgetry” is no “distraction.” There is no denying the material advances that come as a result of ever-increasing computing power.

        However, you are right to observe that this technological wealth no long satisfies a certain need, a certain mood; and, until war has incinerated the very grounds of that mood, there will be no *spiritual enjoyment of material progress.*

        But when this stale and depraved long-peace is finally incinerated, men, especially the best of them, will look to the future and seek the future with the most keen and loving, soulful fondness.

        The future will become, again, the beautiful woman to whom we turn when the work of killing is done and it’s time for men to take their ease.–

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 2:26 pm n/a

        *no longer satisfies…

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 2:39 pm John Norman Howard

        heartiste is exactly right… the only thing holding up the infrastructure of the West is a coat of paint.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 6:58 pm driveallnight

        Agreed. Game is just spit-and-baling-wire.

        Pooping on broads, on the other hand, functions more like Bondo.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 2:18 am Anonymous

        Sadly, he’s probably right. The “sexual marketplace” will eventually degenerate into men killing each other over women as people realize civilized behavior is for suckers who don’t get any action… and that’s just for starters.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 8:28 pm Anonymous

      This is an excellent comment. Have not seen it laid out like this before, but this is the new reality

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  51. on March 12, 2012 at 9:23 pm eLa

    I discount the idea that China will become the predominant superpower, or probably more likely, will be able to retain the status for very long for reasons that reflect what America has in store.

    After years of one child policy and selective abortions, there is a decided shortage of marriageable women. Couple that with the usual mistresses and such and they’re left with a sizable and growing number of young men who will never be married. It’s not a problem now with gdp growth rates of 7,8% (alledged) but when the inevitable slow down comes, they’ll have a lot of unemployed guys with nothing to do and when they start to realize how screwed over they’ve been, I think China is in store for a lot of trouble.

    I think it’s similar in the states, there are a lot of guys not getting laid, not even treated as though they were men by women and now we’re seeing more and more “father” figures telling them to “man up”. Of course how does one “man up” when they’re routinely rejected in harsh, rude ways? I don’t think guys are saying fuck it so much as there’s nothing else to say.

    I think most guys want the stereotypical life. The jobs situation is a disaster for many, if not most, guys, if they do have a job, more than likely the corporations treat them like shit (white men), the women tend to rub their faces in it and now they’re being condemned for not suffering the abuse with good cheer. How does this scenario play out in a way that supports a stable society?

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  52. on March 12, 2012 at 10:19 pm Julio Iglesias

    Men are responsible. We didn’t hold our ground. We couldn’t be bothered to use female strategies to push our agendas. Now they run our agenda. But they always, always adapt to us — we can control our desire but they can’t control the tingle.

    Apart from that, the escalating complexity collapse of 3L173 authoritah I find bullshit. It is written as if the “government” is a single one-pointed entity capable of existing in time and also capable of self-revision and auto-analysis. As if Government was a rational agent.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 5:34 pm noob

      It’s a little tought to hold our ground on a sexual revolution bait and switch. It isn’t about holding our ground, it’s just about being too stupid, naive and complacent. Thinking with our dicks the sexual revolution might have seemed like a really good idea at first. More sex! Oh, yay! Oh… wait. What the fuck just happened.

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  53. on March 12, 2012 at 10:33 pm Sea7

    Before leaving on a biz trip yesterday, a good Christian friend of mine told me to be careful and not fall into temptation (sleep with some easy sales women in our training class, hotel hotties, etc). I laughed and told him no worries, where I was going the chicks are all fat and ugly. We both laughed.

    I hate that I’m always right. After 24 + hours on the outskirts of Chicago, I’m already tired of these young tubby chub chubs and their “put no effort into looking well” scraggy Asian counterparts that seem to have swarmed this area. Even going off-sight to a local gym only turned up 1 woman with a good body (yoga ass). And she was late 30’s, early 40’s.

    What the Hell happened in this country? Woman and young ladies did not look like this when I was young. I owe an apology to the few “fat” kids I hazed in grade school. They had nothing on these blubber pigs. An older fat woman is gross, a 23 yr old young lady with a gut is downright disgusting.

    I feel for for you younger guys who have only these beasts available in your dating pool. Good luck with your Plus sized Princesses.

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  54. on March 13, 2012 at 12:15 am Johnycomelately

    Take a bow Mr. Heartiste, and listen to the applause…..brilliant!

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  55. on March 13, 2012 at 12:32 am Escalating Complexity and the Collapse of Elite Authority | Air & Space

    […] never knows what links you’ll find at the Chateau Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein argued tellingly in their 1994 book The Bell Curve that […]

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  56. on March 13, 2012 at 1:06 am Rum

    Early onset fat-cow disease is the most insidious, irreversible game wrecker in todays SMP. I mean, all the great young-love epics – Bonnie and Cycle, Sid and Nancy, Peter Abelard and Heloise, not to mention Romeo & Juliet could never even have happened if these chicks were fatties. Instead; all of the guys in these epics would have thought to themselves: “Thanks for swallowing. Now, please gtfo of here before anybody sees us together.”
    When girls turn to the fat side, we lose even the stories of true love and committment.

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  57. on March 13, 2012 at 1:12 am Brad

    I’m a young, athletic, decent-looking guy, and all I can seem to attract is the odd 200 lb.+ chick. I’m seriously considering just giving up and resigning myself to a life of hookers.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:54 pm Anonymous

      Stop talking to fat chicks, for any reason except ordering food or getting directions.

      Start talking to attractive chicks each and every chance you get. Relax. Enjoy your life. Read this blog without getting all tense about applying what you see.

      You will be fine.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:24 pm Anonymous

        Don’t waste the chance to ask a hot woman for directions. Don’t ask a fat one.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 3:24 pm thunear

        Absolutely right. Just stop talking to them.

        It was a revelation to me many years ago, when I found out that being polite to the heffers only encouraged them.

        Ignore them, they’re not worth your time. Besides if the beasts enter your line of sight, they’ll block the beautiful view you might be espying of, say, a rubbish dump.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 2:49 pm ZBA

      The only women that talk to me or olive me the look seem to be 16 or 17, Im 32. They re too young, they are jail bait.

      Escorts are the way to go, PUA is boring to me I hate clubs dating sites, it all just seems to be waste of time. I don’t care about people at all and I don’t care about women or this society.

      Even escorts I feel had nothing to offer, Im losing interest even with them!

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 9:28 pm anon

        Move to a country where 16 is legal

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  58. on March 13, 2012 at 2:08 am anon

    Holy hell, awesome post.

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  59. on March 13, 2012 at 2:30 am Lance Draper

    OT: “Old definition of hate: I hate that person and want to kill him. New def’n of hate: I hate that person’s hatefulness and want to kill him.”

    Joseph Sobran said it eloquently. He wrote that “anti-semite” used to mean a man who hated jews. Now it means a man who is hated by jews.

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    • on March 14, 2012 at 2:22 am Anonymous

      Naw. “Hate” is anything left/liberals don’t like; e.g., Rush Limbaugh (Bill Maher, however, can call Sara Palin a “slut” all day).

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  60. on March 13, 2012 at 3:01 am Brainiac

    You speak the truth. I have been spreading your gospel. All hail.

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  61. on March 13, 2012 at 3:23 am LBK

    In case anyone is thinking of getting married, just remember: love doesn’t last. Alimony does.

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    • on March 14, 2012 at 2:23 am Anonymous

      Pre-nup that spells out grounds/penalties for divorce and includes paternity testing for both parents (fair’s fair).

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  62. on March 13, 2012 at 6:17 am Days of Broken Arrows

    Another thing ruining women for long-term prospects is those ugly-ass, lowlife tattoos all the women under 30 seem to have. Who is gonna hitch themselves to a lifetime of that? Wait, I know! Indie-herb-Beat chumps.

    A really good example of this can be seen in the new, annoying viral video, which shows a time lapse pregnancy. Yahoo is hyping this, no doubt to push their “liberated woman” agenda.

    Try not to throw up when the Beta loser kisses his wife’s “belly.” Instead feel sorry for the personal and financial prison he’s now created for himself.

    “http://tv.yahoo.com/daytime/pregnancy-time-lapse-video-goes-viral-28588602.html”

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 2:13 pm n/a

      I think often of the coroners who must haul that disgusting mass of inked whore flesh onto the shiny table, under the bright lights.

      Those terrible, colored pigs.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 6:08 pm Ben

      I vomited. Need to put a big warning on this.

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    • on March 14, 2012 at 2:27 am Anonymous

      Tramp stamp, baby! (Imagine how they’ll look at the old folks’ home.)

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  63. on March 13, 2012 at 7:44 am HerewardMW

    “If women are offering men — well, really, just coolbreeze alpha males — the sex for free, then those men will revert to taking the path of least resistance.”

    Yeah, if you’re already eating the cookies, why buy the jar?

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  64. on March 13, 2012 at 7:58 am stillcode

    Live in a foreign country for a while and meet the locals. Your prospects of finding a decent mate will skyrocket.

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  65. on March 13, 2012 at 8:40 am Anonymous

    Entertainment weeklies are saying that Drew Carey is “spinning out of control” in a “middle age crisis” because he’s now dating someone who is only 22 years younger than he is. They apparently think that’s a big bad age difference, even for a famous guy.

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  66. on March 13, 2012 at 10:34 am Anon

    We’ve really got to get the meme of calling fat chicks a shoggoth going strong. It’s frikkin’ hilarious!

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  67. on March 13, 2012 at 10:36 am Opus

    So true, and some great comments, but, do those over-weight heffers realise just how unattractive they are? It really seems not; any more than women in their late thirties and beyond have any idea that just because they are female does not mean that men either fancy them or are prepared to make any great effort for them. Then again there are those women who reveal (unintentionally or otherwise) the number of men they have slepped with, without seeming to grasp that lovers into double, never mind way into treble figures, – yes, I have been there – instinctively persuades a man to treat her as no more than pump and dump material. What else can it do? – no man wants to be cuckolded, responsible for another’s child, or left with the suspicion that he will be just the latest in a long line.

    Women can have sexual cache or social status, but the two are surely not possible together. (see Dumas Dame aux Camelias – La Traviata – for a fictional example). As successful women turn their backs on men who are poorer than them, they turn to thugs and gigolos, and then vere between whoring and periods of chaste repentance, full of guilt and remorse – which cannot last, before it is back to whoring again. After all, her sensual satisfaction can be all that matters in a world without purpose or responsibility.

    The U.K. government’s endless attacks on men looks to me less like paid up feminism, than part of the age-old battle to shaft other men for the sake of gaining one or more women.

    I mustn’t complain however as ‘Ther Sexual Revolution’ has been good to me. Thankyou sluts!

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  68. on March 13, 2012 at 11:08 am Harry the Hipster

    What I like are the discussions with titles like “body wars” and the like.

    Women feel terrible about how they compare to this or that fashion magazine and ergo it’s the fault of someone else like the “diet industry” or the nameless, faceless “media”. Finally, that it’s terrible that people use some random standard to judge. Surely all bodies must be beautiful.

    Okay, so standards and averages emerge in any large group but if you’re on the down side of the numbers, other people need to pay for it. Oh, and they’re also wrong.

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  69. on March 13, 2012 at 12:19 pm Just a Girl

    Excuse me, I’m only a woman, but I was hoping someone could answer a question for me. What is the Game explanation for why my gina tingles for betas?

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:51 pm Anon

      Not when you’re ovulating, you’re not.
      Now get back to the kitchen.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 5:33 pm Just a Girl

        I’ve been on hormonal contraceptives for over a year now. No ovulation for me (for now).

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 9:20 pm james

        well there you go.
        http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169534709002638

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 9:32 pm anon

        That’s the explanation.

        When you’re pregnant, you tingle for betas so as to better to ensanre them and convince them your child is theirs so they will support it.

        Hormonal BC fools your body into thinking it is pregnant.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 10:56 pm Just a Girl

        Thanks James. Good to hear I don’t need to go against my tingles too much. =D

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 1:56 pm dicipres

      http://www.rooshv.com/not-all-women-of-the-world-want-an-alpha-male

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 5:31 pm Just a Girl

        Interesting. It does make sense that I am able to relax and enjoy myself more around less loud/aggressive males, having grown up with a violent father who on more than one occasion left me unable to go to school the day due to bruises or a limp after an explosive fight ended in violence. It’s much easier to relax and enjoy the touch of a quieter man with a less explosive personality. And I grew up in an ethnically Eastern European household.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 2:16 pm Harkat

      The game explanation would be that it doesn’t, and that the men you think are betas are actually alphas.

      [heartiste: or “she”‘s lying. been known to happen on the internet.]

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 2:17 pm Harkat

      Also: It’s cruel of you to tease the betas like that. Have some remorse.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 4:10 pm John Norman Howard

        Thread winner.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 5:32 pm Just a Girl

        I thought all the betas here were on the road to recovery?

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 4:09 pm John Norman Howard

      ‘Gina tingles? Pics or it didn’t happen.

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      • on March 13, 2012 at 5:36 pm Just a Girl

        It would be awfully immodest for me to send you images of my aroused womanhood!

        [heartiste: we’re gonna need the macro lens here.]

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 7:07 pm driveallnight

        Has a Twinkie wrapper ever been used in place of a fig leaf?

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 5:41 pm evilalpha

      Crabs?

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 6:07 pm Jack

      or she’s tingling for authentic vulnerability game in guys who have otherwise sufficiently alpha characteristics

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  70. on March 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm Tom

    Some reading for you: http://www.nature.com/oby/journal/v17/n7/full/oby200997a.html

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  71. on March 13, 2012 at 12:55 pm Holden Caulfield

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/third-female-lawmaker-introduces-bill-limit-men-viagra-204340160.html

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 2:42 pm Ben

      Goodness, it’s a man in a wig!

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 4:46 pm Harkat

      What a fucking joke. Is it common for you yanks to propose laws in order to “make a statement”?

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 9:42 am SFG

        Actually…yes.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 3:41 pm driveallnight

        Unfortunately, yes.

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  72. on March 13, 2012 at 1:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    But the overarching change in the current culture is a one-two punch to the guts of men, especially lower SES men, that damages their ability to raise their status (i.e., their sexual market value, or SMV) via employment:

    ””””’

    not really it is the disinformation that is fucking up the guys who are willing to work for a living

    the high school curriculum that teaches men nothing of value

    they get out of high school and can flip a burger

    they get out of trade school and can start out at 15k a month

    why shows like dirty jobs and the aligator hunting and the news stories about making 200k a year in north dakota is finally getting the message out to men who want to work and make some nice cash.

    the men who work are better than you

    you think you are better not true you managerial types are dime a dozen to replace men with skills are not replaceable.

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  73. on March 13, 2012 at 1:20 pm Gunslingergregi

    just saw visioneers

    interesting take on present life related to this thread

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  74. on March 13, 2012 at 1:20 pm Gunslingergregi

    this dude i know got out of trade school with his master electrician certification lol
    wtf
    i was jealous

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  75. on March 13, 2012 at 1:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    biggest problem is encouraging men and woman are equal and to do a high school curriculum that teaches nothing of any real value to keep men and woman “equal” lol

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    • on March 14, 2012 at 12:31 am Obstinance Works

      Now you got it. Now flip the script.

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  76. on March 13, 2012 at 2:03 pm Ollie

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-interacting-with-woman-leave-man-cognitively-impaired&WT.mc_id=SA_syn_HuffPo

    Approach anxiety now scientifically confirmed. Whoop de doo.

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  77. on March 13, 2012 at 2:07 pm Ollie

    BTW, another brilliant article, Heartiste.

    This is the simple answer that so many mainstream pundits overlook.

    Why on earth should a young man bother contributing to a society that offers nothing of value to him?

    Why, indeed.

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  78. on March 13, 2012 at 2:39 pm Saul Alinsky Speaks

    Alphas are edgy fucks who steal from you at every available opportunity. They live for the con (if not women, their associates). Omegas will flake out and go to warcraft. The few SWPL betas are the backbone of this country:

    http://shapeways.tumblr.com/post/19069809272/shapeways-and-soundcloud-crew-at-sxsw-for-the

    “heartland” beta males are defensive and worthless in a postmodern economy. Hire a mexican instead. Epic fail, which is how Saul Alinsky and the cultural marxists planned it all out.

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  79. on March 13, 2012 at 3:59 pm Schmoe

    http://xkcd.com/1027/

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 6:30 pm Harkat

      Yeah, I saw that linked elsewhere too. It’s a pretty poor argument.

      Did you have another point?

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  80. on March 13, 2012 at 4:06 pm Eric

    The reason Murray ignores any criticism of women for the current state of affairs is simple.

    -Murray is employed by the Cato institute. For his employers, business comes first, last, and only.

    -Women are the Keystone to consumer-based capitalism. It’s no coincidence that the modern women’s lib movement kicked into high gear at about the same time that the U.S. transferred from a production-based economy to a consumption-based model. It is generally far easier to con women into chasing after the next trendy piece of overpriced junk than it is to suck men in.

    That’s why you will NEVER hear any member of a major libertard organisation criticize women to severely. They want as high a percentage of consumer dollars controlled by women as possible. It’s much easier to take them back, with interest, that way.

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 5:20 pm That Guy

      @Eric,

      Agreed… that’s why guys need to control the budget/spending in the household/relationship.

      It’s always preferable to live less than you can afford, as that way you don’t need to worry too much about money. Women naturally will spend to their earning potential/credit card limit and then some, if allowed to, which is a recipe for disaster.

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  81. on March 13, 2012 at 4:17 pm attractionreaction

    OT: get blue light in the morning (ideally, blue sky lit up by yellow sun) to shut off melatonin, turn off blue-light emitting electronic devices (CFL, phone, computer, TV) a full hour before you want to go to sleep.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/21/health/aging-of-eyes-is-blamed-in-circadian-rhythm-disturbances.html?_r=3

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 6:12 pm Ben

      Boosts test and dopamine by 100%. 10,000 lumens at 6 am for half an hour. Hop to it.

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  82. on March 13, 2012 at 5:26 pm sark

    Hi, sorry if this is a silly question. I don’t get why hypergamy would imply women would want men with higher status compared to themselves. Why should it be relative to the status of the woman? Won’t they just want the best men they can attain, i.e. their status can buy?

    [heartiste: the “best man” for a woman is a man who is high in status, and preferably higher in status than herself. the “best woman” for a man is a woman who is beautiful, young and slender. when we speak of female hypergamy, we mean that women are preprogrammed by evolutionary forces to more strongly discriminate than men in favor of mates with high sexual market value. it all goes back to eggs being more expensive than sperm.]

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  83. on March 13, 2012 at 5:27 pm Lad

    Twitter update about approach anxiety…

    They should run the woman side of the study with different men until they find out what sort of male observation can impair a woman’s cognitive abilities.

    [heartiste: this would be a worthy experiment. my guess: women would experience “approached anxiety” being approached by high social status men, famous men, very wealthy men whose wealth was public knowledge, men who were seen the whole night with other women and thus preselected, extremely good looking men (in the top 5% of looks only), and men running game. dropping a neg on a chick can instantly elicit a happy anxiety in her.]

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    • on March 13, 2012 at 11:53 pm YaReally

      “what sort of male observation can impair a woman’s cognitive abilities.”

      Confidently cutting the space between the two of you (ie – get in her face) while locking eye contact.

      Very few women can form a coherent sentence in that situation.

      [heartiste: yep, that’s the biggest one. striding over to a girl while maintaining eye contact will take her right off her game. girls melt for unstoppable confidence.]

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 2:02 am YaReally

        A smokin hot 18yo girl I see at the club regularly purposely practices this. She always cuts the space and puts her arm around a guy and is practically nose to nose and stares him in the eyes and talks to him about whatever.

        She’s literally teaching herself the seduction skillset at 18 that guys learning game don’t start practicing till they’re in their 20s-40s+. It’s interesting to see in action…guaranteed she has men wrapped around her finger for the rest of her life.

        Your “sense of entitlement” is basically “how hot can the other person be for you to not be nervous around them?” She’s building a massively huge sense of entitlement because she can stare down pretty much any guy an inch away and make small talk and the guy will always flinch first and look around the room and stammer and she chalks up another reference experience of her being high value.

        When she meets a guy who can approach and stare her down without being nervous? Because his sense of entitlement tells him that he shouldn’t be nervous around her? He’s the guy who fucks her.

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  84. on March 13, 2012 at 5:27 pm AlphaBeta

    What’s worse is that the media has made it a social faux pas to criticize behemoths. Not only are women getting fatter, but young women are getting the message that it’s ok to be a fatass. And then that anyone who dislikes overweight women is being shallow.

    Newsflash: evolution programmed men to pitch tents for healthy women. Fat is not healthy. Ergo, what men find attractive is not shallow because men have an innate drive to value health. Don’t let any feminist apologist tell you differently.

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    • on March 14, 2012 at 4:17 am Days of Broken Arrows

      Excellent points! Hollywood pushes this BS with crap like the movie “Shallow Hal.” Plus, all that Dr. Phil crap.

      If you cannot get physically excited with a woman you should not be with her. If your initial reaction to a woman is revulsion, not attraction, you should not be with her.

      One reason the media has deemed it “a sin” to criticize a woman’s girth is because of the old US tradition of “honor,” which is ingrained in our subconscious. Your in for fightin’ if you disrespect a woman! The problem is that with the current social mores being shaped by feminism, women now get all of the leeway and none of the bad stuff, since they’re not about to let the “honor” concept go.

      Of course, if you tell a woman she’s being shallow and she should lower her standards on wealth, height or whatever, that’s also a form of “disrespect” since you’re implying her standards are higher than her market value.

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  85. on March 13, 2012 at 6:55 pm the realist

    face facts, money is imortant. To the opportunist in a woman. Not always the vagina. You have to have game too….i highly suspect a woman will come extra hard while cuckolding a rich man with little to no game or alpha attributes. even more so than if he was dirt poor. It makes him even more of joke, and she’ll know it.

    I’d rather be respected for my achievements and intellect than a figure in my bank account. Any woman can be attracted to money and status symbols, just look at black chicks, they love shiny things, but are scum that are the least deserving of it. It takes a slightly higher calibre of woman to deduce the quality of a man’s mind and achievements, and appreciate it.

    It’s cool if a woman is interested in a mans career or bank balance if thats important to her….but it better be REAL important to her. She better be willing to pay for it with unused pussy…or at least have a tidy financial settlement from the other guys that fucked her. Iv’e given too many girls nothing but dick to think they are really that interested in a man’s career, just when they think they can get their hands on it all.

    It’s nice to be respected for my career, or financial security. But if shes ever fucked a guy without it…..i’d rather be that guy than the rich guy that wife’s it.
    I do pretty well for myself, but will always value my passion for game, my interests/achievements and weight training etc more when it comes to women, as they are more solid representations of who i am. It’s a catch-22, if she wouldn’t fuck you without the money bestowed to you by the system, but she did/would other guys, how can you ever be proud of her? how can you ever be proud of yourself? better to see a prostitute.

    I’m still motivated by money, for myself, not for my woman.

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  86. on March 13, 2012 at 6:55 pm Lovekraft

    Guys, check out this show on Canadian television called Princess.

    Basically, it demonstrates how manipulative and self-centred modern women are, and woe to any poor sap caught in her vice.

    http://www.slice.ca/Slice/Watch/Default.aspx?ID=v

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  87. on March 13, 2012 at 10:24 pm aspic

    need to blatantly steal some quick tips:

    1. cute 7 grocery store clerk.
    -saw her last week, was super flirty with me
    -very brief contact

    Now I want to get her number, but am not sure what would be the best way to go about it. I basically want some clever openers that I could use, or maybe conversational ideas. I want to do this preferably direct, go in, get number, and then get out of dodge.

    [heartiste: direct? try this. “i’m impressed.” wait for her to answer. “you can flirt and scan my food at the same time.” another option that’s more direct and less flirty: “write your number on my receipt. no time to explain. i’ll tell you over drinks.”]

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    • on March 14, 2012 at 1:56 am YaReally

      Talk to 10 people on your way to the grocery store and while you shop.

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  88. on March 13, 2012 at 11:24 pm eLa

    I’m old enough to remember the carnivals coming through with sideshow tents, they had strippers which I wasn’t old enough to get into and fat ladies which I was.

    We used to pay money to see women who weren’t fatter than a good 30% (and growing) of the women I see today, and I think the fat women in sideshows were more pleasant people too.

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  89. on March 14, 2012 at 1:05 am Anonymous

    I will agree with heartiste that our elite are deluding themselves if they can reward this foolishness and think that technological superiority alone can it. I think the liberals especially do not understand that culture itself is a kind of technology. Not only the islamic hordes but also the ethnic Albanians are much more strongly patriarchial than we are. The Albanian mafia presents unique problems for western governments, and unsurprisingly is backed by a culture that keeps their women in line.

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  90. on March 14, 2012 at 1:55 am YaReally

    New video by Tyler Durden just went up. The definitive video on day game in my opinion. “The only difference between day game and night game is that the sun is out.”

    Wish this video had been posted back when day game was being discussed lol so I’m just throwing it on here so people who don’t visit RSD don’t miss it.

    It’s long (half an hour) but the shit he talks about in this video is 100% legit.

    The game remains the same but the environment fucks with your head. Anyone who’s hung with a pussy-obsessed Stiffler-type natural who’s “on” 24/7 will have seen him successfully do the same stuff he does in the day that he does at night. You could too, if you could forge the same mindset as him.

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  91. on March 14, 2012 at 8:16 am GeishaKate

    Grr. My reply box isn’t working. I think I stood out in the rain too long 😉 (carolyn- lol)

    @Passingby: I think you are dead on when you say if you’re going to delay marriage, you can’t expect the same kinds of standards as if you (universal, yes) married younger.

    “Calling that 30 year old “immature” or telling him to “man up”, as too many women do now, is absurd. He is simply exercising his own ability to make decisions.”

    Yes, men have the freedom to make their own choices too. But, owning the consequences goes both ways. It is also true that some women may reject men who’ve been out sowing their oats for a decade as not every woman is turned on by the idea of being with a male slut.

    My opinion of a man who is a slave to his biology is similar to your feelings for a woman who can’t control (or at least rein in) hers. Marriage and children ARE very serious business. One I, personally, don’t know if I have any iducement to engage in again.

    @Leif: I think I have a fair understanding of what you mean by sacrifice, but what I was referring to is that, for women, if you’re not riding the carousel, you may as well not even be at the carnival. Which is not very much fun. Being a “good girl” so you are marriage material means being cut out in a lot of ways from the social fabric.

    My question is why should women maintain their virtue when they will not be treated any better than a woman who hasn’t? I personally consider the Catch-22 inhumane as every woman longs for love and intimacy and it certainly gives a little more clarity to the tradition of jumping on the funeral pyre.

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    • on March 14, 2012 at 4:39 pm carolyn

      ‘My reply box isn’t working’

      are you running mozilla noscripts? if so, disable it.

      ‘Being a “good girl” so you are marriage material means being cut out in a lot of ways from the social fabric’

      yeah, we’re not shut up in convent schools anymore. maintaining virginity beyond your early 20’s means you’re religious or there’s something wrong with you.

      i think leif has a lot of company in the disdain he feels for experienced women. it is not a condition to be envied. his marital pool shrinks with every year, not to mention the number of women he’d be alienating once they get close enough to intuit his feelings. he’ll have to go for 18 y.o.’s who may or may not take him seriously, depending on what he brings to the table.

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      • on March 15, 2012 at 12:27 pm Evilalpha

        @carolyn

        You protest too much.

        While it’s true that a woman is either a virgin or not, there is a big difference between having 1 previous boyfriend and having 10 previous partners. I don’t think Lief is looking only at the pool of virgins, but also at the pool of very low count non sluts which there are plenty of.

        Also the only women alienated by men who hate sluts are sluts. Lief’s attitude is actually a great litmus test.

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      • on March 15, 2012 at 4:22 pm carolyn

        i hope you’re right that leif is looking for the low count rather than strictly virgins, because otherwise his search for a wife (if he’s interested) will break his heart.

        ‘Lief’s attitude is actually a great litmus test.’

        maybe, but it’ll more likely scare off the low-count type as well. she may not trust him that he’s sincere that she’s ‘under the bar’ and decide to cut her losses. ‘how low is low enough’, she’d ask herself. i know i would. ‘and by the way, isn’t this guy overly hung up on chastity. must check with my buddies and see what they think’. you could see where this is headed.

        even women who are chaste because it’s just their inclination have been brought up to believe the double standard is wrong and will not hold the man who holds to it in high esteem.

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      • on March 16, 2012 at 1:29 am P Ray

        The search for a virgin only breaks your heart if you assume there are a lot out there that you overlooked.
        It’s MUCH better to understand that women will be sluts if they can get away with it,
        and that good and bad girls respond to the same things (social proof, being non-judgemental, “cool” hobbies, jobs and things).

        “even women who are chaste because it’s just their inclination have been brought up to believe the double standard is wrong and will not hold the man who holds to it in high esteem.”
        Tell that to Maria Shriver, Elizabeth Edwards
        On the other hand you may wind up dealing with a woman whose idea of chastity is lying about her past, with the rejoinder “Nice men don’t ask about such things”.

        A woman who wants a man to like her, is going to be very careful with the kind of answers she gives that man.
        A woman who wants a man to supplicate to her, is going to return a question with a question.

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      • on March 16, 2012 at 11:52 am EvilAlpha

        That’s your vagina talking. It doesn’t really work that way.

        1. Halfish of the incoming coeds are virgins upon entering college.

        2. Low count girls especially like studs who appreciate the value of a very low mileage pussy

        3. Men not women are the gatekeepers of relationships. It is obvious that Lief bangs sluts and “good girls”, he just doesn’t keep the sluts.

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      • on March 16, 2012 at 9:25 pm P Ray

        On the other hand, a good girl may simply be a slut that hasn’t found the man she wants to be slutty with.
        Sometimes the “good girl” is simply the one who doesn’t like the guys around her, simply because they weren’t attractive to her to begin with.
        Virtue isn’t virtue unless it’s been tested.
        Which is why women are very careful about interacting with guys they feel are unattractive, in public places. Because they want to get their favours without granting the guy any social proof to give him the advantage with other girls, thus making it less likely he’ll get together with another girl, and thus be unavailable to grant her favours.
        Diminish most mens’ relationship prospects to ensure a steady chump supply so that a flash of ass is all you need for a lifetime slave.
        That’s the plan.

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  92. on March 14, 2012 at 9:00 am Supporting the Swingle « Gucci Little Piggy

    […] who decry the progress of social engineering which is making a large swath of men obsolete.  For all the talk about Charles Murray and his book, our society will bifurcate into women who marry men and raise […]

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  93. on March 14, 2012 at 9:50 am DelFuego

    Exceptional analysis Heartiste. The numbers are astounding. 40% obesity?!! I’m amazed but probably shouldn’t be. Some of the women I work with can barely walk they are so fat. If I make a trip to Walmart I usually get to see some that can’t even walk.

    It used to be that a woman would *let herself go* after marriage, that was men’s fear. Now the women are obese and have a few kids before marriage.

    They never mention this when they’re telling us to *man up*. There is simply no motivation for a man to get involved with a very large percentage of contemporary women.

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  94. on March 14, 2012 at 9:56 am Anonymous

    Mangina readers at the Daily Mail continue to thumbs down reasonable comments, this time in response to an article saying that porn causes rape and should be banned:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2114638/Has-era-porn-led-men-think-rape-OK.html

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    • on March 16, 2012 at 1:23 am P Ray

      If porn causes rape, prostitutes are creating rapists.
      Jail them too?

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  95. on March 14, 2012 at 9:58 am Shoot Me

    [every parent of a son should drop an electric guitar in his lap by the time he’s old enough that his fingers can reach around the fret board. any other instrument would be…. uncivilized.]

    Playing the drums has been very, very good to me.

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  96. on March 14, 2012 at 10:35 am Kay

    Blame it on the CO2??

    http://sciencenordic.com/new-theory-co2-makes-you-fat

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  97. on March 14, 2012 at 1:03 pm Maya

    Off topic. I need help … I’ve met someone I like and I’ll see him again tomorrow … He flirts with other girls but he’s just nice and friendly when he talks to me. Probably because I’m very shy and I never flirt. Other girls are much more aggressive. Today, he’s still single … But I have to hurry up. What should I do exactly? I have NO idea how to flirt with men … I’m just jealous and unhappy and I want his attention … but I’m too shy and also very cynical. So I can’t. What should I do?
    Thanks for your help,
    Maya.

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    • on March 14, 2012 at 2:22 pm John McNeal

      Wear a short skirt with black pantyhose. No panties.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 4:52 pm Anonymous

        Show cleavage, too.

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 5:24 pm Maya

        No, I don’t want him to think that I’m desperate. Do you have any ideas about what should I say to him?

        [heartiste: “i can crack a walnut with my vagina.”]

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      • on March 15, 2012 at 2:43 pm That Guy

        A girl actually used this line on me once – and it worked:

        “I kegel constantly!”

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      • on March 15, 2012 at 3:20 pm John Norman Howard

        But you are desperate, darling… embrace your desperation. 😉

        Side note to heartiste… watch that vagina dentata stuff… don’t want to spook the poor guy right out of the gate.

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      • on March 15, 2012 at 4:57 pm Maya

        [heartiste: “i can crack a walnut with my vagina.”]

        Haha. Tell me something less vulgar, please.

        [heartiste: “i can gently pry open a walnut with the undulating contractions of my birth canal walls.”]

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      • on March 15, 2012 at 6:22 pm Maya

        LOL, noooo. I want something flirty and not so complicated … Tell me something that is really effective, can you?

        [heartiste: “would you like to be my once and future fling?”]

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      • on March 16, 2012 at 1:22 am P Ray

        “Other guys are interested in me too, you better get this pie while it’s fresh from the oven!” 🙂

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      • on March 16, 2012 at 12:03 pm Maya

        Haha … I can’t ask him this. He will think that I’m desperate. Anyway, thanks for trying to help me, but I’ll rather listen to my heart … your ideas are useless.

        [heartiste: since you are a troll, you wouldn’t accept useful ideas if i gave them to you. therefore, you are worth no more of my mental energy than as a cat toy.]

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      • on March 16, 2012 at 2:24 pm Maya

        No, that’s not true, Heartsie. You know that I’m your biggest fan and I’m not a troll btw. You might be right about my difficulties with accepting new ideas but maybe I just need more time. I’m really slow in my head. ps I love you.

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      • on March 16, 2012 at 4:12 pm itsme

        maya, the best advice you can get on dating men is from other women.

        yeah, that’s it.

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      • on March 17, 2012 at 2:04 pm That Guy

        Maya,

        I bet you know who “pupu” is personally

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      • on March 21, 2012 at 1:02 am crumpetess

        Oh wow. Best Maya thread ever!!!

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      • on March 21, 2012 at 1:06 am crumpetess

        PS. My own private theory is that Maya is either a gay man with borderline personality disorder, or a 350 lb, 60-year-old spinster with a hoarded house…and borderline personality disorder.

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    • on March 14, 2012 at 2:27 pm John Norman Howard

      Cynical is where boners go to die… endeavor to be effervescent… put tits in his face.

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    • on March 14, 2012 at 3:26 pm itsme

      the hallmarks of a great troll post are how close it gets to sincerity and believability without actually crossing the thresholds.

      i give this one an 8.

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    • on March 14, 2012 at 3:55 pm itsme

      just be yourself.

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    • on March 14, 2012 at 4:56 pm That Guy

      Spread your ass cheeks and beg for it…

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      • on March 14, 2012 at 5:27 pm John Norman Howard

        That’ll do it… always gets my attention.

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  98. on March 14, 2012 at 3:16 pm Leif

    Listen, I see where you’re coming from but you want it both ways. You can’t play hop-scotch with cocks all through college and another 10 years after that and expect an alpha prince-charming to be waiting for you at the other end. Simple as that. A man with choices, a man you want, will significantly devalue your sexual market value based on your past choices, not to mention your age and declining fertility.

    You have a trade-off. Indulge in your 20s and play all the exciting carnival games, but at the cost of significantly narrowing your pool of men who want to marry you.

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    • on March 14, 2012 at 4:57 pm Anonymous

      Yup seriously, lower SMV for women… believe it. Complaining that men then don’t want “real women” makes men think women are ‘hoes, too.

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    • on March 15, 2012 at 12:59 pm Evilalpha

      Of course she can have it both ways. How? Simply by convincing guys like us to change our minds and be indifferent to sluttiness. That way being a cum dumpster doesn’t hurt her future chances in the relationship department. Of course that will never happen because we know better, but don’t think for one minute that they will be deterred from their attacks on slut shaming.

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    • on March 16, 2012 at 1:20 am P Ray

      That’s why women who cockhop, LIE.
      Which is why men who are in relationships with women, take photos of the both of them together, and dated too.
      Beware the girl who moved in from “out of town”,
      and beware the girl who talks a great deal about “don’t ask about the past” and “my private life is my private life”.
      Those are the carousel riders.

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  99. on March 14, 2012 at 4:33 pm GeishaKate

    @Leif: we seem to have our wires crossed as my life has not followed that pattern at all, but I appreciate your response.

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  100. on March 14, 2012 at 5:14 pm Lara

    Maya,
    Good comment above. Many more women are attractive to men, than there are men who are appealing to women.

    [heartiste: that is the essence of female hypergamy. however, this difference may be narrowing with the advancing hordes of fat chicks, sluts and overeducated bimbos, resulting, in effect, in males who are choosier than they normally would be in a world full of slender babes.]

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  101. on March 14, 2012 at 5:17 pm Lara

    Young women anyway. Once you hit a certain age, this isn’t true anymore.

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    • on March 15, 2012 at 3:17 pm John Norman Howard

      “You mean you’d want to have sex with a woman just because she’s good-looking?”

      “Naw… we pretty much want to nail the ugly ones too.”

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  102. on March 14, 2012 at 11:58 pm Annousenka Lekhter

    How about girls who are only slightly chubby or just normal? Isn’t that considered more attractive than being thin and extremely toned?

    The current beauty ideal in the Anglosphere is so gross, I think :s Everyone is very, very long and emaciated, their muscles are extremely toned and they’re all an orangeish – brown – tan mixture. I think it’s so ugly :s

    Aren’t nubile, slightly rounded, soft girls with a beautiful shape more appealingsie in generalsie? 😀

    Heehee! ^-^

    Yaysies! ^-^

    ♥ Annusya ♥

    [heartiste: chubby? no. soft and feminine? yes. you can be slender and soft without careening into the grotesque territory of overmuscled, sinewy fembots with six pack abs.]

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    • on March 15, 2012 at 3:14 pm John Norman Howard

      Well, I admit I like ’em a bit chubby, so long as they still have a female form… human, that is, not water buffalo.

      I’m a big tit man… so sue me.

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      • on March 15, 2012 at 4:05 pm Annousenka Lekhter

        Heehee, well, good! ^-^ I think that girls should have bewbies that are a nice shape, regardless of size. I prefer having very small bewbies, but if girls have big ones, it’s much nicer if they’re perky and fresh – looking ^-^ Well, I think it’s bettersies if they’re perky in general, heehee ^-^ Never, ever *ever* fake, thoughsies! :s Plastic surgery is terrifyingsie :s

        Heehee! ^-^

        ♥ Annusya ♥

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      • on March 15, 2012 at 4:23 pm Maya

        “I think that girls should have bewbies that are a nice shape, regardless of size.”

        Should? You can’t force them to stay perky and fresh forever 🙂
        btw. You should lose weight!

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      • on March 20, 2012 at 6:14 pm Annousenka Lekhter

        Oh, yes they *can* stay perky and fresh foreversies without force if you favourably direct your mental focus ^-^

        ^-^

        ♥ Annusya ♥

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      • on March 21, 2012 at 4:37 am Maya

        It’s also possible to lose weight if you favorably direct your mental focus.

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      • on March 15, 2012 at 4:49 pm John Norman Howard

        We got a live one here, hertiste-sies. 😉

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  103. on March 15, 2012 at 1:15 am Hyphen

    Let us all be blunt – we live in a women’s world – and that world is saturated with full-frontal sex. Look around! At least visually, those women have given us a clue about their nature. Can you tell the difference between a prostitute and a non-prostitute? I can’t. Can we predict the future? I can on this one – chaos exponentially.

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  104. on March 15, 2012 at 9:05 am GeishaKate

    @carolyn: We may not be in convent schools anymore, but small town culture is not all that removed from that. I know young people who have married simply to align their physical desires with their spiritual beliefs. Yet studies show that people who marry later in life are more likely to have lasting marriages.

    So, the middle road serial monogomy is really what is most practical and sustainable. To me, there is a distinction between virginity and chastity. While virginity is something that can be lost/given/whatever only once, chastity is something that can be maintained/developed/etc. It means that although each person you are with may not be the first person, it is still a significant and valuable event.

    In a mature relationship, I think women understand that there is going to be some “baggage” whether is be in the form of an ex-wife or children. These experiences make the person who they are. Men should learn to look at things from this enlightend perspective. For every woman saying “there are no good men left” there are an equal number of men saying “there are no good women left.” Its easy to play the blame game, but, just as women should, men too should ask themselves, what am I doing to attract/keep a good woman?

    While is some ways I agree with Leif (and his company) in feeling disdain for experienced women and I’m aware of the double standard, when men are doing the same thing that most women are (being hypocritical- even deluded- in what they say they want) I don’t see how there’s going to be any progess in male/female relationships.

    Its like two toddlers in a standoff each holding the other’s possessions unwilling to let go until the other person has given them what they want. One side has to make a compromise or they have to count to three and both let go at the same time 🙂

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    • on March 15, 2012 at 11:48 am Tertullian

      OK then: Ladies, you make the first move.

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    • on March 15, 2012 at 12:27 pm carolyn

      ‘To me, there is a distinction between virginity and chastity. While virginity is something that can be lost/given/whatever only once, chastity is something that can be maintained/developed/etc.’

      you’ll get no argument from me. there’s a big difference between the type of woman who’s all about one night stands and one who confines herself to ltr’s. if my memory of catholic school serves, ‘chastity’ is defined as the successful integration of sexuality within the person, which depends on your marital state. i think since the sexual revolution, ltr’s can be considered ‘marriage lite’, and can be chastely engaged in.

      this is what i tell my daughters, but they seem to have an intuitive grasp of the subject.

      but i don’t know if the leifs out there make the same distinction. there’s a lot of binary thinking young men seem to engage in.

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      • on March 16, 2012 at 1:16 am P Ray

        Binary thinking is an easy way to avoid being saddled with a slut who digs you for money.
        A cock-carousel rider isn’t going to stay loyal after marriage.

        And women think in binary too:
        Between: “Guy I want to bang” and “Guy I want to marry”.
        Those two are RARELY the same guy.

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    • on March 15, 2012 at 12:41 pm Evilalpha

      Actually, most slut haters are extremely enlightened and realize that all the female cries to forget a woman’s past is nothing more than a very transparent girl mating strategy.

      Look. It’s real simple. Ride the cock carousel all you want, but don’t expect men to forget all that and treat you like a queen, when you’re just sloppy seconds.

      I bang sluts. I do not date them. Feminists hate me for it.

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    • on March 15, 2012 at 1:31 pm Anon

      This whole virginity thing is not about individual choices. It’s about culture and the freedom that women have been granted.
      It’s only natural that they end up following their instincts and mate with the high status males that they crave during their prime.
      Those of us who believe that virginity is a prerequisite don’t really blame women, we blame the system that makes women less desirable and less worthy of marriage.

      Since women cannot remain virgins, because of mixity in school, hookup incentives etc… then fuck marriage. The hookup culture is not that bad for a man who knows how to seduce women. It’s only our loss that we cannot experience the deep ever-lasting bond with a woman. It’s our loss that we cannot experience love with a woman. Because I tried, I really tried, but I’m physically unable to fall in love with a girl who had another penis inside her body.
      I’m apparently not the only one.

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    • on March 15, 2012 at 1:38 pm anon

      “Yet studies show that people who marry later in life are more likely to have lasting marriages.”

      “Later in life” according to what baseline? age 38 vs. 18? How late (old) do you have to go? Something tells me the “late” you refer to just happens to coincide with the time frame when a woman’s biological clock is ticking loudest. If late is better, why not wait until you’ve really “matured?” Aren’t you more “evolved” as person the older you get? At 42, you’d have a decade more life experiences than you did at 32. At 52, again, the benefit of more experience to make sure “you really know who you are” before settling down. The problem with your statement is the inevitable, you know, death that we all sort of eventually fall victim to.

      You can feel equal disdain for the male equivalent of what Leif finds repulsive, and that’s fine. But there are a subset of men who are NOT in that category. What type of “progress” do you think there needs to be in male/relationships? If marriage is what you want as a female, then you carefully select a marriage-minded male at a younger age. Obviously, god forbid, this eliminates one-night stands as an option because assessing marriage potential (provider abilities, ability to bond long term) would actually involve you seeing him interacting with his family first (young cousins, old people, etc.)

      Why does Leif (or anyone in similar position) need to be more “enlightened” when there are still existing options that fit whatever criteria they’ve set or deemed important?

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    • on March 15, 2012 at 3:10 pm John Norman Howard

      Of course, in your tunnel-visioned female perspective, you say “in a mature relationship, women understand that there is going to be some “baggage”… ex-wife or children.”

      It’s the old “women work too nowadays” canard.

      The difference is men invariably cleave unto their love, first and foremost, and give her her way…

      Women with exes and children will ALWAYS favor their prior marriage’s children, when push comes to shove… indeed, the only reason many women marry a second and third time is to make sure there are resources available for said children.

      This is why it’s pretty much a sucker bet for older men to remarry older women with “baggage”… much like on any new journey, the distaff baggage is invariably more plentiful and heavier.

      Men carry their own baggage quite easily, and in their white-knighting ways, invariably carry the woman’s baggage as well.

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    • on March 16, 2012 at 2:23 am Leif

      Regarding your chaste vs. virginity comment:

      One of my best friends, who is average with the ladies, was with a girl recently who was a virgin when they first met.

      Well kinda, because he took her virginity the same night he met her. And for the next 6 months, he technically never got into a relationship with her but she still came over and fucked him and gave him BJ’s, over and over until she pressed for a relationship and then he became distant and essentially left her.

      In most people’s eyes this girl is pretty chaste because she’s only had 1 partner in her 21 years. Probably better than 80-90% of women her age and probably marriage material.

      But I know differently. Putting aside the obvious reason why I would never marry a girl a friend has nailed, I know she’s been plundered dozens upon dozens upon dozens of times and has screamed in joy at the throbbing cock within her before taking a cumshot all over her face and licking it up.

      No thanks. Marrying a girl who has given it up free with little commitment (and I would equate most relationships today as little commitment let’s be real) is called settling if you’re a man who lives in a world of abundance.

      For the umpteenth time I have no plans to get married. That doesn’t mean I can’t love and get in a relationship with a woman with a sexual history. Because I have. It just means marriage with these women is the smart and rational move, and it’s best to leave it off the table.

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      • on March 16, 2012 at 11:57 am EvilAlpha

        No woman who gives it up the first night counts as chaste. That may have been her first, but only because whores need to start somewhere.

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  105. on March 15, 2012 at 12:34 pm GeishaKate

    @Tertullian: King’s pawn to e4

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  106. on March 15, 2012 at 12:47 pm GeishaKate

    Maya: Stay home and read the Bhagavad Gita 😉

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    • on March 15, 2012 at 4:15 pm Maya

      Not interested. I only read CH.

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  107. on March 15, 2012 at 1:42 pm anon

    “Its easy to play the blame game, but, just as women should, men too should ask themselves, what am I doing to attract/keep a good woman?”

    I don’t think all men need to ask themselves that question. Some men do this, and some don’t. If you want marriage, then you simply need to find one of the men who does ask himself this question. It really is that simple.

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  108. on March 15, 2012 at 2:35 pm Annousenka Lekhter

    I still think that there’s much to be said about slightly chubby girls ^-^ Although people have different opinions about what “chubby” actually is. My idea of chubby is perhaps the way Jennifer Tilly looks, now, and Christina Ricci when she was in her early teens.

    Heehee! ^-^

    ♥ Annusya ♥

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  109. on March 16, 2012 at 11:19 am AnonJohn

    to be fair, my BMI is something like 32. I’m 6’4″ and 265 lbs. I dead lift 450 pounds. squat 345. i can clean and press 225. i have a 38 inch waist.

    BMI says I’m obese.

    BMI is stupid.

    Fat girls are fat though.

    [heartiste: the only cases where BMI is inaccurate are bodybuilders. since there are almost no women who lift frequently enough and lift hard enough to get the kind of musculature that female bodybuilders have, BMI remains an excellent measure of their health and attractiveness.]

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  110. on March 17, 2012 at 9:00 am God Damn Depressed Because I Have To Come Here

    Why are you trying to turn women into this?

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  111. on March 17, 2012 at 1:50 pm LLL

    While the opener has posted a well written and a humorously sarcastic post with some valid points in it, the post ignore an important fact present at the labour market today. Yes, there are more women in higher education today than decades ago, but that doesn’t mean that there’s going to be a female revolution. While this is the general claim of groups for women and others pursuing the interests of women it doesn’t take all the facts on the table into the equation. You have to look at what peoples goals are in terms of education and career, and the differences in ambitions and priorities; this is almost never investigated thoroughly in feministic rhetorics and argumentation, yet it doesn’t mean that it’s irrelevant.

    Men that wants to go really far pursuit educations and occupations that makes it probable to have a life with a strong income and career, and many men are also prepared to sacrifice a lot for that in terms of spare time, vacations and many other things that all the “average people” take for granted. More and more women also try to reach higher in terms of professional success but they also value spare time, traveling, spending time with their friends. Simply, they put more importance into a balanced life, thus are usually not willing to sacrifice as much as men in the end. Also, women are more prone to the probability of working part time, either as a means to spend more time with their family or because they value time off work higher than men.

    While there’s nothing wrong with either priority it still implies that it’s easier to women to fall behind in terms of professional success whether you’d like it or not. People can argue all they want that professional working life shouldn’t be as tough as today, but it’s still the reality. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and put in the extra hours and effort needed to be successful over a relatively long time in order to be really successful and to make you stand out compared to your colleagues, and it seems like men are doing this to a great extent than women.

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  112. on March 17, 2012 at 7:31 pm GeishaKate

    @anon: If I am remembering correctly, it was late twenties versus late teens. The progress I am referring to is couples having the relationship skills to stay together. Anyone in a similar position does not necessarily need to be enlightened now, but they might want to adopt the attitude, if, in the future, they fall into the high percent divorce rate. Because the underlying assumption is that by marrying a young virgin you are somehow eliminating the possibility of divorce. I think its important for men to know that the young virgin has her own set of relationship complications.

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  113. on March 17, 2012 at 7:43 pm GeishaKate

    @P Ray: “Virtue isn’t virtue unless it’s been tested.” OH SO TRUE! It is amazing what people will do when placed in a crucible. Having options, but CHOOSING (sorry for the shouting- don’t know how to italicize) loyalty, chastity, etc. is an entirely different matter than having no options and being loyal, chaste, etc.

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