Vodka! No, just kidding. Sorta.
Approach anxiety is a common problem for men, and now a scientific study has found that it has probably bedeviled men since the dawn of time, leaving them in a temporarily quasi-retarded state when in the company of beautiful women.
Researchers have begun to explore the cognitive impairment that men experience before and after interacting with women. A 2009 study demonstrated that after a short interaction with an attractive woman, men experienced a decline in mental performance. A more recent study suggests that this cognitive impairment takes hold even when men simply anticipate interacting with a woman who they know very little about.
Another game concept confirmed by science (not like it needed to be). Evolutionarily speaking, I can’t think of a clear reason why it’s advantageous to men to become tongue-tied around pretty girls, but the study authors offer a hypothesis.
Although the studies on their own don’t offer any concrete explanations, Nauts and her colleagues think that the reason may have something to do with men being more strongly attuned to potential mating opportunities. Since all of their participants were both heterosexual and young, they might have been thinking about whether the woman might be a potential date. […]
Overall, it seems clear that whenever we face situations where we’re particularly concerned about the impression that we’re making, we may literally have difficulty thinking clearly. In the case of men, thinking about interacting with a woman is enough to make their brains go a bit fuzzy.
Sounds plausible, but it still doesn’t explain why such “male impairment” around women would evolve — or avoid being selected against — in the first place. It’s pretty well obvious from observing naturals in action that the men with the least anxiety and the nimblest tongues have the most success with women.
Nonetheless, we must abide the reality that for a lot of men, hurdling that first obstacle — approach anxiety — is half the battle to becoming a master seducer. All I can tell you is that it gets easier with practice and especially with success, for each bedding instills an unshakeable confidence that exists separate from the confidence won by success in reproductively proxy male endeavors like sports, career and physique. In the end, it simply comes down to willpower. You either will yourself to approach, or you take the easy route of making excuses for not approaching.
A number of readers have asked if there is something men can do to instill a similar state of catatonia in women. A reasonable request, since it’s easier to seduce a woman in thrall to your very presence. Being famous would certainly do the trick, but that’s out of reach for nearly everyone. Having noticeably higher value than the woman you are approaching is another way to “reverse lobotomize” her. For example, if she’s at an art gallery and you are one of the artists holding court with a small group of local aficionados. Or simple preselection — being seen enjoying the company of other girls — can induce a female version of male mate fright.
But commenter YaReally hits the nail on the head:
Confidently cutting the space between the two of you (ie – get in her face) while locking eye contact.
Very few women can form a coherent sentence in that situation.
When she meets a guy who can approach and stare her down without being nervous? Because his sense of entitlement tells him that he shouldn’t be nervous around her? He’s the guy who fucks her.
Steady, unbreakable eye contact and smooth, slow, controlled strides toward her so that she has a moment to savor her anticipation — these are the simplest and quickest ways for a man to rattle a woman with his intoxicating presence. It works because, as real life observation and science both prove, women are viscerally sexually excited by dominant and overconfident men. And nothing projects both those masculine traits better or faster than alpha body language and direct eye contact. Staring a woman down until she lowers her eyes or looks askance will trigger the submissiveness reflex, and that is a place where she secretly yearns to be.
It’s not as easy as it sounds. Try holding eye contact as long as possible with random men and women. Assume a relaxed or smiling expression so that you aren’t mistaken for an angry commuter having a bad day. Start by doing it with people passing you on the sidewalk going the opposite direction, so you know an end to the discomfort is not long off. Even in those walk-by sidewalk situations, where a mere few seconds of eye lock is all that’s required of you, you’ll find it difficult to hold a stranger’s eyes for longer than a split second. The difficulty level will go up if your eye partner is a hot girl or a dominant man meeting you pupil a pupil.
After a few days of this, something almost magical happens. You notice that men break eye contact before you do, and look to the ground. Forced to look up at you (most will be shorter than you), women return your gaze hungrily, uneasily, wonderment gripping their facial expressions, and if your vision is sharp enough you can make out a nearly imperceptible parting of their lips. You begin to feel dominant. And that feeling translates into real dominance and an attitudinal shift, for above all the thing that is attractive about alpha males is their attitude.

Approach Anxiety has hindered my growth as a man. I get out to the bar or to the club and it’s like I have cement in my shoes I’ve tried everything to force myself to do it. It’s the worst feeling in the world to care too much and not be able to talk to the women you desire sexually.
I’d pay big money to get rid of the feeling. You said something in a previous post a few years back about how the popularity of online dating speaks volumes to how hard it is to approach a woman in the flesh. Truer words could never be spoken.
Maybe one day i’ll be able to go after what i want. For some reason it’s just a helpless feeling to stand there and not be able to walk over and say something.
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Don’t be too hard on yourself. It just means you are really heterosexual. I find really attractive women initially intimidating also, and I’m not sexually attracted to them. The more time I spend with them, the less I feel that way. It would help if you worked with some pretty girls, or had some in your family, and then you would get more comfortable with them.
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let go of your outcome and get rid of your ego
if you dont care whether you close her at the end or not you wont have any fear
if you dont care what she thinks of you you’ll say whatever the fuck you want and she’ll perceive that as confidence
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Saying whatever you want has its limits of course, for instance you can’t badmouth liberals too much to a western liberal girl the way I did when I was younger, when I identified myself to them as a social conservative. You can’t really say whatever you want if they’re going to feel that you’d consider them a deplorable slut if they did something sexual with you.
I hope male Ron Paul supporters get laid with liberal American girls however. It would be a shame if they were turned off by a guy supporting him (I’ve not met any American girls recently).
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i don’t bother discussing politics with girls. they’re not equipped to debate rationally, especially emotionally charged topics. so if you get into a serious discussion like that, the pussy is more likely to dry up than get wet. also, they have plenty of orbiters that will ‘debate’ with them in the hopes of getting into their pants.
reframe, reject, ridicule.
her: so are you a democrat or a republican?
you: neither, i think for myself (change topic)
her: what do you think of obama?
you: he’s doing as well as any pussy can be expected to (change topic)
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Thankfully I only ever have approach anxiety in really, really loud places… which thankfully is not most bars and limited to certain spots in a club. For some reason the bad cell phone connection nature of the communication really fucks up my flow.
Sorry about your luck. What have you done to try and overcome this?
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It’s weird. I don’t ‘have the fear as much in general public and what not. I can create small talk in a non pick up environment, but put me in a bar and it’s like the fear patrol takes over.
I’ve tried everything. Bought all the stupid game books etc. eventually you have to man up. I just broke up with a long time girlfriend so this weakness has shown it’s ugly head. I’m just going to have to man up and get out there and do it. I don’t think there is any other way. Roosh says you just have to walk over and open your mouth and force yourself to do it.
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Try propanolol.
[heartiste: the tribes on propanolol will quickly be overrun by the tribes not on it.]
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True. When our men need drugs just to talk to women, we know we’re in trouble.
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Had not heard of it, straight to the wiki: Propranolol is a sympatholytic non-selective beta blocker.
Apt description in this context.
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PUA Richard LaRuina had 2 pieces of excellent advice in a recent article in MacLeans, the Canadian magazine. He says get over shyness and approach anxiety by 1) teaching a class or taking a public speaking course. In his case, he taught English in Spain. That helped him deal with being the center of attention while not fumbling for the next thing to say. And 2) making 30 approaches to women. Nothing particularly magic about the number 30, but he says that works for the men who do it.
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I suspect most men never get over Approach Anxiety with hot girls. But you can learn to get used to it so it doesn’t run (ruin?) your life.
I got over my fear of approaching girls by not leaving junior high dances until I’d asked 10 new girls to dance, including all the hot ones. Yeah, I got shot down more than I liked. But pretty soon, I realized it was no big deal. Her loss. Move on to the next one.
Once you turn approaching girls into a numbers game, any single setback is like losing a hand at blackjack. Just a cost of doing business.
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When you have to talk or present in front of men that are older than you (VPs, Sr,Execs ) and project confidense that you know what your talking about like I do, you don’t give a damn about how she looks HB5 to HB20…who cares…I cold approach 4 sets…I don’t care if I get rejected or not.
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what does hb5 to 20 mean? and approach 4 sets? never heard of that……
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“Maybe one day i’ll be able to go after what i want. For some reason it’s just a helpless feeling to stand there and not be able to walk over and say something.”
You’re able to. You’ve just created an identity for yourself of “I’m not someone who’s able to approach” and are hiding behind it as an excuse. It’s hard for all of us, even instructors. But they push themselves to do it.
Being rejected or weirding a girl out won’t kill you. Go out and teach your brain that!
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You have approach anxiety because you are interacting with the girls you want.
Interact with the girls you DON’T WANT.
See how easy that is?
Then, move on to interact with the girls you do want.
Being the best man for the woman you are interested in means relationship experience (since women want men other women want), so it’s unavoidable to break a few hearts.
After all, if she wants you to break other womens’ hearts, and women know what’s best in relationships, you have got to do that.
Stay strong, not every man can follow through on this important need of women to know that their guy broke other girls’ hearts.
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Perhaps approach anxiety is a way of weeding out inferior genes. We know high testosterone is associated with low anxiety. Thus, the highest testosterone men will have the least approach anxiety, the most confidence, and the most dominance, and will get the most women.
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Right, but then wouldn’t the people with the “approach anxiety” gene have been mostly weeded out by now?
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No. In the past, procreation usually involved 1) meeting the standards of a woman’s parents as a prerequisite to courtship, 2) selecting a wife from within a small town/peer group, or 3) taking women captive in wars. This large city/hook up culture is relatively new, so is the concept of tap-dancing for the female hamster.
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Right. I read an article about “Japanese men too shy to reproduce”, and they actually mentioned that in the past, marriages were arranged. No courtship anxiety to get through. This isn’t true in all cases; Arab men routinely marry their cousins in arranged marriages but don’t seem to have much trouble laying Western women. But it may account for why it has lasted this long.
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Large harems (thousands) for a few men were the norm in Muslim societies. Thus women were not plentiful for most Muslim men, and they had to to be aggressive to get the few available women and yet beta enough to deal with the sheikh and restrictive Islam.
In Japan, large harems were not the norm so women were more plentiful. Being beta to the shogun and willing to die for him guaranteed men a wife and a few mistresses.
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Yes.
High testosterone men are prone to guarding women, including their daughters. They are more likely to marry off their daughters to hardworking, resource-rich beta men.
Approach anxiety is genetically favored because the traditional way for men to breed with a quality woman was to bow down to the local chieftain and offer 50 goats and cows for one of his daughters. Or crawl on one’s knees and ask him to arrange a marriage with some other girl from his village.
The guys who did the best were the ones who showed the appropriate level of anxiety, submissiveness, deference, and payment to the chieftain while surrounded by 20 the chieftain’s spear-wielding kinsfolk.
It is deeply rooted. That’s why many stupid rom-com movies always have a scene where the guy is scared shitless about meeting his future father-in-law.
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>>> “Evolutionarily speaking, I can’t think of a clear reason why it’s advantageous to men to become tongue-tied around pretty girls”
It’s not the woman who is the source of the approach anxiety. It’s the possibility of a nearby (superior) man who might attack.
The beta who openly hits on a woman who is already being serviced by an alpha is risking death or serious bodily injury.
Evolutionarily speaking.
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That is a good point. That may be a major part of it. I never considered it from that angle.
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Historically, “taken” women are very easy to spot because their men mark them with tattoos, jewelry, or other symbol.
The danger came from unmarked “available” women. Unwittingly hitting on the tribal patriarch’s daughter might get yourself in deep shit with him, his kinsfolk or one of her brothers.
The men who had approach anxiety did not get weeded out by the wrath of Khan.
Remember, the most alpha men are historically patriarchs.
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Actually, I was waiting for Heartiste to say that in his post. Of course this is the reason and it’s been talked about in the manosphere before. Approaching would have gotten a man killed who wasn’t the group leader.
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I’ve watched some videos from Mystery and he says exactly that. Plausible.
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Women like it when men fight over them… or haven’t the hypergamous gotten this far yet? (Where we’re heading, folks.)
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You’re teleported to Afghanistan and see a pretty girl on the edge of a village who is not a prostitute, men are glaring at you. Do you drop her some Mystery negs or do you nervously and politely introduce yourself to her male relatives?
Today’s woman as a sexual free agent is a historic anomaly.
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Yeah, that’s mystery’s explanation. He adds that humans used to live in small packs of 50 people with maybe 5 fertile accessible women. If you hit on one of them and fuck it up by being too beta, she will not only reject you but you will also be tagged as a beta by the other females, cause chicks talk about the weirdos who hit on them.
Far-fetched, but plausible too.
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I don’t think this is it. I think it’s because preselection has an ugly cousin – prerejection. In a smaller tribe, if a guy suffered nuclear rejection by one woman, he might never get a chance with the others. Thus, men migh evolve a wired instinct to avoid approach unless he had clear green light signals to boost his confidence. This is probably why the humiliation of a failed approach hurts.
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But in tribal society, isn’t the deal closed by your dad negotiating with her dad? There’s no rejection per se if the two families are too far apart on money, power status for there ever to be a marriage in the first place.
More, the problem is one of the fathers not knowing the quality of his negotiating position. Low status father isn’t supposed to negotiate a marriage between his son and daughter of high status father.
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It’s because no secrets were kept in the small tribes we evolved in. If you were rejected by one women then every other women would find out, and you’d be permanently ‘pre-rejected’.
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I don’t get what you are saying. a nearby man will attack? what does that even ….mean? a beta who hits a a woman who is already being serviced? what is he ….what that doesn’t make sense?!
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I’ll spell it out for you.
When a socially-inferior male attempts to have sex with a woman who is either desired by (or is already having sex with) a socially dominant male (an alpha), there is a serious risk that the beta male will be physically attacked and/or killed.
The odds of death are slightly less than they were 10 thousand years ago, now that humanity uses fire, utensils, money and electronics. But in the time when the human genome was evolving into what it is today, a beta male who attempted to usurp the sexual privileges of his social superiors would have been physically subordinated for doing so.
Most men today have an instinctive trepidation at approaching unknown women, since most men are betas (since true alphas are very rare, by definition).
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Reading this and the comment below by Marx, it occurred to me that it all could make sense. When you are in the outcome independent, fully in the present moment state of mind, approaching feel easy. And while you are in that state, you are also best equipped to deal with a possible attack from a competitor male. Could it be so simple, that in order to be well prepared to approach, you should also be well prepared to fight? And when you are not in the highly alert state, ready to let go of even your personal safety, approaching a woman will also feel really difficult and you have to force yourself to do it.
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For so many, the root of approach anxiety lays in the myth of a “plan.” First, the process of meticulously planning in your head what to do and what to say makes you timid. Second, any disconnect between what is planned versus what actually happens, cripples your ability to react.
To alleviate this anxiety, become outcome independent. Process trumps outcome. Roll with what comes in your head. Be perceptive of what’s in the environment. Relax your body. And read her reactions.
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Bingo.
Which is why dance lessons and acting classes are so important. You learn everything in your second paragraph.
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There’s a big problem with sustained eye-contact.
Unless your game is very solid, many women, esp. the more desirable women in the cities, will reach very quickly for their go-to concept of “creepy.”
And “creepy” is not where you want to be.
And do not do this at night with men. Such a primal challenge can trigger a fight, and fast. In the day, usually no big deal.
Intermittently intense eye-contact — seeming almost to look through or beyond the target — can be very effective, but for awkward men, directly approaching fine women and holding their gaze will provoke the opposite of what they want.
Naturals can do as they like.
And salesmen — these techniques are straight from the direct sales playbook.
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Exactly. The clinical head to toe body scan works better. That spins the hamster…rather than rings the alarm. I even get the occasional what’s wrong from the conspicuously insecure types.
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Excellent. In reality (ignoring my sarcastic comment earlier) I have tried this when out and about: a brief but unmistakable head-to-to scan, turning my head as they walk past, and then eye contact and a smile. This was really hard to do at first but with practice it’s becoming more natural and (hopefully) less creepy.
And what is with WordPress making you log in to post?
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Perhaps you and murray rottencock need to re-read Style, Mystery,TD or even g manifesto : You’re SUPPOSED to make friends with alpha amog assholes – not challenge them – especially when outnumbered on the dark street scenario you portray.
Have a drink, compare notes on girls. Usually, the baddest asses around have the hottest girl-ass around. If you can hang, do so.
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Salesmen are taught to look not directly in the customer’s eye (too intense for both parties) but at the bridge of her nose.
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Off-topice but there’s an interesting Chateau-esque discussion of mass immigration going on here:
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/03/13/ron-pauls-hour-of-decision/#IDComment315700249
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It makes some sense from an evolutionary perspective. Men who are too comfortable, too soon, don’t create enough sexual tension.
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Inner game trumps all. Perception is reality. Confidence is king, and foundational to a life well-lived.
I’ve found the eye-lock exercise on my own. I found myself wanting to utter a gaze-softening “Hi” when I walk by a cute girl. After a few times of it failing, I’ve abandoned it in favor of a smirk. Practice, practice, practice.
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100%. Inner game. Confidence. From there it flows…
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Yeah, I could see that working on me.
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What does “cutting distance” and “getting in her face” mean specifically? Does this mean getting very, very close to someone, closer than American custom would usually provided for?
What is meant by your tweet: “Malthusian adjustment vs economic growth: this will be the question of the age.” I am not exactly sure what you mean by Malthusian adjustment, but if I were to guess it seems odd that you are presenting MA and EG as a choice when I would think they would work in tandem, that is, economic growth would lead us invariably to a Malthusian adjustment.
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“What does “cutting distance” and “getting in her face” mean specifically? Does this mean getting very, very close to someone, closer than American custom would usually provided for?”
Yes. Examples:
Watch at 0:07, 0:15, 0:20, 0:26, 0:38, and 0:45
Watch at 2:52
Watch at 5:53 and 7:03
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It means whatever your brains tells you to make it mean. It’s pick up *artistry. There is science behind it, but you have to move it with a human mechanism.
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by cutting distance and getting in her face means literally that…to get up close to her and maintain strong eye contact.
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If I am interpreting the tweet correctly, it’s referencing something I’ve wondered about, but have rarely heard mentioned. My understanding of Marxism is not very nuanced, but if I’m remembering correctly, it was an important topic there. Maybe people are especially afraid to talk about it because of that linkage.
But anyways, it seems like (at least in America) we have too many people and not enough job openings. We don’t need to employ the entire working-age population in order to keep society functioning and to maintain a healthy economy, so what do those extra people do? People keep saying we need job creation, but we really don’t need to create more jobs. It is more efficient to do more work with less people employed. Are we willing to sacrifice efficiency in order to employ people just for the sake of employing them? I’m not feeling that charitable.
And there was a good point that was recently made – you can’t just tell everyone to become petroleum engineers. Not everyone has the potential to be a 20%er. So I really don’t have an idea what the 80% is supposed to do. We don’t need as many of them in the world as we used to (at least an American 80% at this point). Maybe that’s the Malthusian adjustment. Economic growth cannot take pace at the rate that it should if we have too many 80%ers bogging down the economy with their unemployability.
I’m also not sure what to make of all the “recovery” talk that takes place. Doesn’t seem like a “recovery” is going to happen in the way people want it to.
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this story is BEGGING for some Heartiste commentary. here is a STACKED 15 year old girl sexting pics of her body, the pics go viral, men are told they are perverted for finding her sexually attractive.
this is just one youtube link. you can see the pics by doing a yahoo images search for angie varona.
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Didn’t watch the whole video but she’s VERY beautiful: http://vi.sualize.us/view/b4738aeeefe781692d4d0f6c7c189961/
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Don’t get all depressed now.
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You would litterally have to be gay to not get a boner from that……literally…omg she’s hot!
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She’s a very rideable slut.
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Perfection—every square inch of her.
Only in a society where men are hated is fucking that girl a crime.
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Who said that fucking her is a crime? She has a boyfriend and she made her hot photographs for him.
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Why does this girl talk like a ghetto Latina and her parents don’t?
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lol that was my exact thought. I thought her parents would be Mestizos, when I saw a video of her earlier without her parents.
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2012 – sexted pics go viral
2013 – nailed by gym teacher, scandal ensues. headlines on feminist websites and blogs: ‘rapist! child molestor!’. headlines on manosphere sites and blogs: ‘that’s how we roll’
2014 – gets knocked up by random black guy, gives birth to daughter
2015 – starts university. major: gender studies
2016 – does porn to pay for useless degree
2019 – graduates college 60 pounds and 2 bastards later. wall hit, game over
2022 – sexted pic from 2012 becomes a ‘before’ picture on page 75,203 of the ‘girls who got fat after high school’ thread on bodybuilding.com
2023 – who cares?
epilogue:
2029 – daughter’s sexted pics go viral
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“epilogue:
2029 – daughter’s sexted pics go viral”
Hahhahaha
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Relevant:
A bit of Fry and Laurie’s: Little Girl (would you like a sweetie?)
(“epilogue:
2029 – daughter’s sexted pics go viral”. Wait for the end of video.)
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Best jailbait ever.
Jail suddenly doesn’t sound that bad.
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wow does she have an iq lower than a rock or what? i had to stop watching due to her annoying voice and stupidity.
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Women who can make their living off looks and don’t plan on working in the future see no need for intelligence or being pleasant (except to the guy she gets to marry her)
The term “gets” is accurate, because she will be capricious, hurtful and oblivious to a guy that has the money to keep her in style, but no options.
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“This is a nightmare! I’m so traumatized….the only thing to do is go on tv and bask in the attention.” *sob*
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This is at most a 7 who won’t age well, hitting the wall before age 20. Seems to have learned a lower class dialect from hanging out with the wrong people, not her parents. Definitely not a virgin and seems to have at least 10 notches already, if not 20. You couldn’t pay me to be with her. Even at several times her age I can do much better.
This mangina George Snufalofapus shouldn’t have bothered doing this segment. It would be just as “horrible” if any other human being complained of having photos circulated that they didn’t want circulated.
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damn fool, why u so bitter? she’s obviously better than a 7 and if she ages well she could be a 9 or ….10 easy. dood u r so negetive. I had to look at her photos again cause what u were saying made no sense.
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Bet she wasn’t worried about the pictures they showed on the clip either.
She put pictures ‘privately on PORN SITES’.
Stupid cow!
And here we go, another pretext to restrict the internet.
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Then get arrested for having underage porn on your computer.
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Hahahahha this whole interview her subconscious is privately thinking “holy shit, these photos worked! I’m on TV now yeeeehah”
How about they talk about the other 50% percent of pics where she is on webcam holding up a scribbled note that says “Angie!” and her tits are still hanging out – shereallytryin2hidethatone
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One of the best distilled posts ive read on building the right attitude, frame etc.
I have been doing this kind of exercise for awhile now and it most definitely causes your whole perspective to shift about yourself.
Awhile back I started to notice I didnt hold eye contact enough both with girls and with everyday convos with dudes. So I made it a point to fucking eye down everyone like it was high noon in a duel or sumthin. I noticed that with women the whole dominant frame began to fall into place naturally from then on.
First thing I do with strangers is find their eyes and convey non verbally just what the fuck im about.
SHit is FO REAL!
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This was one of those pieces that I KNEW but isolated out intellectually when walking around because I’m naturally a curious person and tend to look around, so I felt no need to “challenge” with an extended gaze. But when I started to, I realized just how effective it is. One the way to a first date (with a girl I’d date for some months, always look to build confidence) I was crossing the street and I have to give the girl credit, at no point did she break contact until I smirked.
In a conversation with a female friend, I did the same thing and you get that “submission” via “look away” but then you look back over and you see her intently gazing at your eyes again. It’s magic. I think it’s easier to lock eyes with a dude and head nod and you can, with dignity, break eye contact.
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“Staring a woman down until she lowers her eyes or looks askance will trigger the submissiveness reflex, and that is a place where she secretly yearns to be.”
Good stuff, but What about holding heavy eye contact with a girl during the day.
For example, Roosh in Day Game advises “no prolonged eye contact during day” because it telegraphs heavy interest – which will make an indirect ramble on an innocuous subject less believable because you are already telegraphing your interest in her, and sabotage the pickup
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“Good stuff, but What about holding heavy eye contact with a girl during the day.”
Go try it on 10-20 women and let us know how it went.
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Don’t do any of that at work.
Asking for a sexual harassment lawsuit.
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Is it really a good idea to stare at people in the street ?
Won’t you end up getting punched in the face at one point ?
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Go out and try it every day for a couple weeks. Let us know if you got punched, then we’ll all know the answer to your question.
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I’ve always been okay with the approach. I get more hung up on trying to make the transition from the approach to speaking to the girl like she is an actual normal human being. That has sometimes prevented me from approaching. But more often, I will do an approach, and then it isn’t until a minute or so later that I may or may not end up looking like a chump.
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Very interesting analysis of male approach anxiety. From a biological standpoint, perhaps male approach anxiety is simply Nature’s way of weeding out the weak males from the dating game; thus ensuring that only the best male genes live on. Only the most evolved men(alphas) have overcome this crippling anxiety, and the rewards for them are tremendous. Even though I’ve slept with more women than the average man, I have terrible approach anxiety. Most of my sexual success has been with women I’ve met on the internet. As we all know, any woman who is on the internet looking for a mate/husband/sex partner is of incredibly low quality. Only a handful of the women I’ve slept with from Match.com have been a 6 or higher, and they’re personalities have been terrible. It’s no wonder they’re on the internet looking for a mate. Evolutionarily speaking, they are nature’s losers. Although I’m by no means a full-beta, I’m definitely not alpha yet. That’s why I troll the internet in search of easy sex. It’s very interesting how technology has helped men and women find sex partners who would otherwise have very little success in that area of life.
I would really enjoy reading an analysis about online dating and it’s impacts on mating dynamics. It has really changed the game in many ways. It has further reduced the ‘cost’ of sex for men in many ways. It has allowed men to circumvent the difficult approach process and gain access to female mating partners. It has helped many betas gain more experience with women. Although the downsides of internet dating are numerous, it does have its place as a learning tool.
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try to give up Internet dating entirely. You’ll do better getting a young female friend to introduce you to her friends. That’s my best strategy and you get top notch that way.
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I agree. I’ve stopped internet dating a while ago. Because its so easy, you become reliant on it, and then it feeds a vicious cycle of disappointment. Although I’ve learned a ton about women just by default and dating so many, online dating is a bad vice because it is such an artificial and unnatural way to meet a person. In the end, there is no substitute for learning the concepts of game. But I gotta say that for total beta beginners who are new to dating and game, internet dating does offer a springboard. It’s sort of a cheap, easy way to cheat at it; like a bodybuilder who takes steroids. Game is so complex and often counter-intuitive, its tough to understand the game concepts without first experiencing a lot of rejection and disappointment with women. Only after a lot of real world experience with women do the concepts of game truly sink in. Without all the real world experiences provided by internet dating, I may have never even considered the concepts of game. In a perverse way, online dating has actually helped me rise above a life in beta-purgatory.
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+1 this.
If you get friendzoned, and she’s cute, but she genuinely thinks of you as a friend, ask about her girlfriends. Hot women hang with other hot women.
[heartiste: and if you really win over her hot friends and start banging them, the original friendzoner (OF) chick is suddenly gonna reevaluate her prior hasty decision about you.]
And women who don’t have girlfriends seem to be bottom-of-the-barrel types anyway, because other women consider them too weird to hang around!
[paging fluke…]
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Yup. I did the internet dating deal. I could get 3 to 4 dates a week, but it was just awful for the soul. 9 out of 10 chicks aren’t good looking and the ones that are it’s damn hard to pull them because they have 100 emails at home waiting for them to pick a better deal.
There is nothing better for a man’s soul then pulling some ass out of a bar and bringing it home and banging it out.
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Another area where you eventually have to have something a little more real to back up the walk and talk. Not that faking in order to cultivate some making doesn’t sometimes help.
Try these cute techniques sometime in your friendly neighborhood ghetto. Aw, yeah, that eye contact and smooth striding is gonna knock’em all dead! Which is good, because they’ll fucking kill you.
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Heck, I do this all the time when out shopping and such. Women wither before my steely gaze; they get all flushed and embarrassed and turn away…
Oh, wait, you said eye contact. Sorry, my bad.
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I concur. I tune my gaze down a notch from “steely” – depending on the situation and girl.
All, interested or not, wuss out.
Only the boldest/sluttiest keep it locked.
I find this has limited usefulness outside a bar or when booze is consumed.
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Hypothesis for why approach anxiety might be selected for evolutionarily:
Approach anxiety increases the chances of alpha males getting laid and decreases the chances of betas getting laid. Alpha males, by having more experience with women, are usually better around women and have less approach anxiety, while betas are the opposite.
Think of it as an extra level of filtering of alpha males. Those who can regularly get women are advantaged even further by being smooth with women. Those who can’t get ass are disadvantaged further by having their excitement cripple them and ruin their chances.
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yeah, it’s definitely some sort of filtering device. Probably, the fear of getting beat up by the pretty girl’s obviously bigger, badder than you boyfriend. his whole faith system in which our being programmed by the behavior of a bunch of apes from several hundred thousand years ago is pretty silly. As if they had it figured out or something.
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I see at least two possible explanations for why this phenomenon exists.
First, holding eye contact is a way of asserting dominance. As an evolutionary strategy, dominance only works for dominant males. If you’re not actually dominant, a better strategy for you is to be submissive – which is exactly what the majority of males have actually done, and a lot of them have still managed to reproduce. In our day and age, acting dominant even if you’re not is much less risky than it was in our evolutionary past, and Game is one attempt to take advantage of that fact.
Another possibility is that the question “Why hasn’t approach anxiety been selected out” may be wrong. Stronger, smarter, and handsomer men do better, too. Why haven’t weakness, stupidity, and ugliness been selected out? Well, they have, to an extent. But they’re not binary “on-or-off” traits, so there’s still variation. Maybe the really anxious guys have, in fact, been selected out, and we all actually come from long lines of confident approachers — relative to what we’d have been without selection pressure.
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The ability to maintaining eye contact is THE most important skill a man can learn. Not just for game, but for everyday life.
Every time you begin an interaction with someone, a small non-verbal war begins to see who will dominate the conversation. Eye contact is the primary weapon.
The good news is that it’s a learned behavior, so you can train yourself to do it. Just practice looking in people’s eyes until they look away first. Don’t get discouraged if, at first, you give into the urge to look away. Just keep practicing. Make it a point to practice it every day.
I will maintain eye contact with a man until he looks away first. Maintaining it any more can be interpreted as a sign of aggression.
With women, I try maintain eye contact until they have made and broken contact three times. It unnerves them a little bit. The hamster wheel starts spinning. Keep in mind, this usually only takes one or two seconds. The only exception is if they start rattling on about something uninteresting. Then I purposefully let them see me break contact and start ignoring them.
If you want to be a more dominate person, this should be your first assignment. Go to a check out girl at a grocery store, fast food restaurant, convenience store. Not someone you wan to pick up, just someone you interact with on a semi-regular basis. Put a cocky smirk on your face. Make eye contact with them and maintain it until they make and break eye contact with you three times. You’ll be amazed at how much more receptive they become to you.
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Now that’s a good tip… 🙂
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You mean you keep staring a woman until she has made and broken eye contact 3 times? That’s quite long yeah?
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I THINK he means once he’s already in a conversation with her, not before the approach.
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Def not reccomending trying this in a ghettoish area or possible hostile environment. But I would think thats common sense right?
In those type of places it is best to mind your fucking business and if someone fucks with you to either flash a weapon maybe or beat the fucking shit out of them with the quickness. If you dont get shot by the homeboys you will get respected. In other words dont look to instigate the native animals but dont EVER back down either.
But then again maybe its different if your an average sized white dude raised in SWPL land and never even been in a fight. I eye fuck people ALL the time but its also in an environment that im somewhat familiar and Im also a pro mma fighter so its not like im bluffing either.
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As Pals indirectly mentions above. AA makes sens from a Group Selection point of view rather than just Individual Selection.
For the human races as a whole it’s better that Betas are too scared to approach while only those that feel entitled to (those that get permission from themselves and the group because they’ve proven their worth to the tribe) feel good about approaching.
Regarding AA, I think it’s important to reframe it as approach excitement.
Regarding EC, when speaking to newbs I believe it’s one of the most important things you can do.
Don’t worry about smiling or being creepy. Women don’t need to like you in order to be attracted to you.
If you must have a facial expression go with a slight smirk like James Bond.
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You know, musicians use beta blockers to ward off stage fright. I wonder is if would help with approach anxiety.
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Booze too.
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Beta blockers are probably better because they don’t affect your judgment, coordination and other higher functions. You won’t be slurring your words, stinking of alcohol or saying dumb stuff.
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You also won’t have improved yourself as a man. You’ll just be putting a bandaid over a problem and become dependant on them. Like the guy who can’t approach a hot girl in the daytime because he’s dependant on downing a couple beers before he can overcome his anxiety.
It works, you just aren’t really fixing yourself internally. Same way getting lipsuction doesn’t teach you good eating habits or winning the lottery doesn’t teach you financial responsibility.
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Not to mention the possibility of erectile dysfunction that beta blockers often cause.
Fail.
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More like Weed.
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If approach anxiety were a way to weed out inferior genes, wouldn’t they have been weeded out by now, leaving us all relatively alpha?
The idea that higher testosterone leads to higher levels of confidence is compelling. Many health problems and mood disorders can be linked to high levels of estrogen. Estrogen is reffered to as the feminine hormone, but it is more accurate to think of it as a stress hormone. Could it be that high levels of estrogen are to blame for beta behavior? This is simplistic, but I feel understanding the impact the body has on the mind is crucial to understanding our behavior.
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This is a constant go to in the subtlety that is actual conversation. It is a trick I use to let people take hand in a conversation because contrary to popular belief it is not the strongest producer of catatonia and when you get as bored as I do of normal conversation you can see peoples leadership style. That is far more entertaining to me then making blind followers for a short period of time.
There will be a time in the next decade or so where some of this will be properly classified as culturally dependent there are few universal ones though. Eye contact is one that is universal if you understand the cost. It’s disrespectful to your elders so don’t use it on cougars ;DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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“Evolutionarily speaking, I can’t think of a clear reason why it’s advantageous to men to become tongue-tied around pretty girls…”
I’ll give it a shot:
In a combat situation, the body undergoes physiological changes such as “fight or flight” response. Adrenaline rushes into the bloodstream. These changes may affect how the individual thinks and behaves. It is not an intellectual shift that changes thinking but a physiological shift. This happens during combat in order to spur the individual into taking action – to be victorious in combat or to escape and survive. The evolutionary advantages of this are obvious. However, the warrior who does not understand the changes taking place within his body, mistaking what he feels for overwhelming fear and becoming paralyzed by it, will perish on the battlefield.
Anxiety is not simply an intellectual response. It is something you FEEL. Your body is telling you, “It is time to take action; it is time to DO something.” Anxiety in the context of talking to women simply means that your body is excited and telling you to DO something – and you know what that something is already. Your body is trying to get you pumped up and prepared for “combat.” Learn to use this feeling to your ADVANTAGE. Failing to understand this and instead becoming paralyzed by it will cause you to perish on the battlefield due to inaction.
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Off-topic, but support from conservative media…
“7 Mistakes Women Make with Men,” by John Hawkins, PJ Media, 14 Mar 2012
http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2012/03/14/7-mistakes-women-make-with-men/
#6, Give Up Hope that Good Men Exist: “There are lots of good men out there and if you don’t seem to run across any of them then you’re probably doing something wrong.”
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Learning to stare people down is fairly easy. (My own mother complained about me staring her down, the last time I saw her.)
The problem I find is, what to do when an attractive young lady shows obvious signs of discomfort at my staring (at her eyes, no other parts of her body!) while I talk to her?
My instinctive reaction is to try to make her comfortable, but (a) I don’t know how to do that, and (b) this worry gets in the way of talking to her as I would to a normal human being.
Our distinguished host could perhaps write a follow-up post about this issue.
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Heartiste has mentioned before to look a woman in the eyes when speaking to her but to look away when she is responding as if to show disinterest or impatience. If you could train yourself to do that (maybe practicing with your mom), I think that would avoid making the woman too uncomfortable but at the same time not too relaxed.
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At first reading, I thought your advice is about how to avoid making a girl uncomfortable in the first place. On second thought, it could also be used when she is already uncomfortable: just look away, be quiet, and wait for her to settle down. (Though a plan B would be helpful, if this doesn’t work.)
But I can’t practice on my mom, because we live in different countries.
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Here’s a theory about approach anxiety from evolutionary psyc – When humans lived in tribles, those that approached women randomly had a higher chance of dying. You never know who the girl is with when you approach a girl you don’t know. If it happens to be the girl of a the tribal leader or one of his buddies. It often resulted in being killed or kicked out of the group. In those days, a human alone is as good as dead.
Another theory goes each village has only a small handful of date-able women (similar age, single, etc). They all know each other. If you show one woman how you feel and fail, all village will know and you lower your chance with all others and your genes will be less likely passed on.
So yeah, two theories on approach anxiety.
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The tribe theory isn’t anything new, that’s one of Mystery’s key points about approach anxiety.
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Yesss! Weird when le Chateau expresses some of the same tips I’ve discovered myself. Staring down people makes me feel tremendously more confident. Way more so working out, or anything else I’ve come across.
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I witnessed this in a strip club in 2001. The hottest stripper came up to our dorky group and my much younger 23 year old friend calmly moved toward her as she started running her stripper game. He wasn’t saying much, if anything but his face was inches from hers with intense eye contact. Don’t know what he said to her but she called him the next day at work.
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You don’t actually need to say much. Because the subcommunications are so intense and sexual you can just mumble slow bored small talk. This works like when you can’t get kino and sexual subcommunications in so you make verbal innuendo instead. It’s that opposite “saying one thing and doing the other” deal.
“where you from…cool…you having fun? ya…that’s good…” while you’re practically nose to nose and locked on her eyes.
There was actually an entire PUA method based around this concept of “heavy sexual sun communications offset with non-sexual small-talk” but it’s concepts have been merged into modern pickup theory these days.
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The poor guy married a bitchy girl with a 13 year old son. He had game but I don’t think he knew it.
I had not thought of that episode until I saw this post. Now its an epiphany. I used it today with a with very good results.
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From the inimitable HuffPo
“Maybe we can blame it on the Pill. A 2008 U.K. study found that contraceptives can make a woman desire the “wrong” man, a man whose genetic makeup is similar to hers when a better partner is one whose genetic makeup is different. Once she gets off the Pill, perhaps because they want to start a family or she just wants to change her contraception, it can cause troubles — like a sexless or sex-starved marriage. According to Rachel Herz, author of “The Scent of Desire” and a faculty member at Brown University, marriage counselors note that many wives who are no longer interested in having sex with their husbands just don’t like the way he smells and “if you can’t stand how someone smells, you cannot become intimate.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vicki-larson/the-real-reason-people-di_b_1315371.html
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Who took the pill?
The women.
So they chose to take something that made them desire the wrong men.
They still do.
Which means, they like the wrong men.
Which means, more men will try to become the wrong men.
Giving women what they want is a calling few can answer, but the more men become aware, the more women can be satisfied 🙂
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If you’re physically incapable of making eye contact — let’s say you’re partially blind and the center of your visual field isn’t where it should be — what should you do?
[heartiste: you do what the brain always does when one of its senses is crippled — adapt by maximizing the remaining senses. in your case, that would mean more sensuous, physical body contact. and perhaps those glasses with eyeballs drawn on them.]
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Concerning the adaptive advantage of approach anxiety. I don’t think it really existed in a real way for most of history. Its a modern thing.
My hypothesis is that in hunter-gatherer groups, which is how we have made our living for 99% of human history, there was very little reason for men to talk to or even listen to most women, or read their body language, etc. When you wanted a mate you just gave her father some horses or a nice cache of stone blades while she remained quiet. Approach anxiety was directed towards the father or the males of her clan who didn’t play stupid head games, and was largely mitigated by the dowry and your status in the band.
In today’s world women we negotiate directly with women, pass their shit tests,
and play their head games in order to get in their pants. Evolutionary speaking, this is a new situation and the anxiety it creates is only now exerting selective pressure on men.
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We have an array of strong, complex emotions which guide our mate choices – women possibly more so. Shit went on in our ancestral environment which shaped this. I doubt the straightforward scenario you’ve described would result in the mate selection psychology we see – especially in women.
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Eh I like the hypothesis but women simply weren’t treated as property before agriculture. Not making any for or against statement here, but thats just not how it was. Hunter gatherers, like most other mammals, occupied matriarchal societies. No trading for marriage before private property existed.
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“like most other mammals” – generally, in nature, the relation between the genders is determined by physical size (see lions vs. hyaenas) and is a byproduct of the different competition each gender face.
Male lions need to beat competition in order to mate -> they need to be strong -> they are bigger than the females and thus, as by product male lions are dominant with regard to females.
Female hyaenas need to be alpha in order to mate, males don’t -> female hyaenas need to be strong -> they are bigger than the males and thus, as by product females are dominant with regard to males.
Again, note that male – female power structure is just a by product, representing different challenges to reproduction facing each gender.
In humans, men are physically bigger, hence, your argument fails.
There were no matriarchal societies with adult males.. (you can only make that argument if males leave when they become adult.. thus leaving only women and children in the clan.)
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Arranged marriages are the norm across hunter-gather societies. And there are genetic data supporting the contention that this was ancestral state of marriage and that a crucial component of it included the exchange of goods or labor between the families of the marital parties.
“Evolutionary History of Hunter-Gatherer Marriage Practices” (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0019066#abstract0)
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If that were the case, you’d have to explain why women evolved all these selection mechanisms, like shit tests, etc. There would be no need if the men in the clan were selecting their mates for them. Perhaps you’re not looking back far enough in time.
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That is simple, of course: women in an arranged marriage still have all the motive for cuckolding if some impressive genes walk their way, therefore they’ve evolved instincts for spotting the impressive genes.
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Good hypothesis and there might be a little truth to this, however, there were varying degrees on just how much female choice figured in picking a long term mate. There were tribes where the MOTHERS played a prominent role in choosing a husband for the daughter i.e. female choice by proxy.
Either way, you are talking about long term mate marriage where a woman’s mindset is totally different anyway. She needs security at this point. However, her body still yearns for gina tingles (as they like to call it on this blog) and our dna profile makes it pretty clear that we were quite the philanderers in our paleo past…not much different from today.
A book I reviewed addresses this topic dead on: http://wp.me/p26lRt-8l
In Nisa:The Life And Words of A !Kung Woman, a tribal woman is interviewed at length about her love life and she opens up about the sexual strategies she and her fellow tribeswomen employed. It reads EXACTLY like some Desperate Housewives drama set on the African Savannah. Cheating wives, cuckolded husbands, playboy alphas are all there.
These people, San tribespeople, have the highest variation in DNA and therefore are the oldest human society on earth giving us a direct link to our ancient ancestors.
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Yea, this hypothesis needs some work. I do like to imagine an idyllic time when men had no need to listen to women. I’ll be checking out that book.
Just found your blog by the way – good stuff.
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I don’t think that was the case at all. Setting aside for a moment the wide variety in hunter-gatherer cultures who may all have different mating customs, the primary difference was probably the number of people in the group. A large hunter-gatherer group might be 1,500 people (men, women, children). Maybe 300 of them are single aged 15-25. By the time you are old enough to marry you probably know most of them.
Approach anxiety would still happen but it would actually be helpful, since a rejection could have serious social consequences. It would also be easier to warm up to each other over a longer period of time, since most likely no one was going anywhere. This is in stark contrast to a modern society where 1,500 people is the size of a small liberal arts college. If you don’t make your own opportunities (approach) no one will even notice you, and if you aren’t (relatively) aggressive those you do meet will flake, having plenty of other options.
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Hunter-Gatherers, Bands, Tribes, Clans, etc are terms for specific modes of social organization and they are being conflated here. Though all in good fun and in the interest of learning about approach anxiety and how our ancestors ran game in their day.
Much has been written about hunter-gatherer groups, and there are well documented patterns of behavior that likely extended far back to our progenitors.
Hunter-gatherer macro-bands typically top out at 150 individuals and that is when smaller bands of 15-50 people converged on a seasonal basis (to exchange mates as some have argued). Hunter-Gatherers are highly mobile by the way. Larger cannot support themselves by hunting and gathering so they either split up or had to invent agriculture and stay in one place to support their larger numbers. Social complexity, including more varied marriage customs, ensued. Sedentary farmers are a latecomer to human history however, and it is Hunter Gatherers that we are concerned with because that is what we were for 99% of human history.
One reason for regulated marriage is to prevent inbreeding. First cousins do tend to pair up if unsupervised. Since bands are typically made up of only a few extended families it follows that mates were selected from different bands to minimize inbreeding. Since the bands exploited separate territories most of the year the two marital subjects probably only saw one another once or twice a year when multiple bands converged. So they likely were not accessible to each other on a regular basis prior to the marriage.
So having game for marriageable boys (around 15 years old) probably was as simple as beating the other boys in races, wrestling and other games during seasonal band gatherings and thus proving their worth as valuable additions to the girls extended family.
Incidentally, prevailing theory holds that Hunter-Gather bands joined forces to take advantage of surplus food opportunities such as bison migrations, fish spawns, etc and the bulk processing of meat and hides that that entailed. These occasions were opportunities to reinforce social ties and make new ones in the interest of future risk-avoidance and probably involved exchange of gifts, and negotiating marriages.
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Too many beta-tard comments on here about eye contact shit. Like it really all comes down to your eyes and how long you stare and how you stare and if you blink twice you get a blowjob and blah blah blah….ya ya ya…
EC is one of a whole shit ton of non-verbal cues between you and your target. So if you stare too long or not long enough or whatever…doesnt fucking matter if you never approach…
What CH and YaReally are saying is that on the onset of an approach, Alpha EC will reverse the frame and invoke an “AA like” anxious pang in your target; which is true.
AA exists in all men. Period. How/why it exists? Eh, who gives a shit.
How do you get through it? Will power. *self forced conditioning*. Execute. Do it.
The more you go through it, the more conditioned you become to it, and the logical side of your brain learns how to “manage” it (suppress outer non-verbal cues, invoke supportive inner thoughts).
It’s a skill. It can be learned (as is all GAME). If you’re still making excuses like you have some special acute sand-in-your-vagina condition and you can’t approach…straight up, you’re a pussy and you’re weak. Do man kind a favor and don’t pro create and pass on your bitch DNA.
Approach Anxiety = Action Weakness
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lol my fav way of putting it is from one of Tyler’s speeches. He says something like “I’m exactly like you. I get the same anxiety and I don’t feel like socializing after working all day and I start the night feeling out of state and my brain tries to convince me not to approach. But by going out consistently, I’ve trained myself to follow a set of steps to force myself OUT of that mode and into a good state.”
He means stuff like talk to the first girl you see (ugly or hot doesn’t matter) when you enter the bar before getting a drink or anything. Talk to people on the way to the bar. Approach within 3 seconds. Etc etc.
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I saw saw TD speak recently (couple months ago). The guy is fucking brilliant, exciting to listen to and he speaks genuine knowledge from experience- his story is awesome. He started out as a total beta with the classic beta story: ex GF of several years that he loved dumped him and he went into beta-depression.
Now he’s part of the 1% and bangs 10s with a big orange mountain man beard. Stud.
He did give the same speech you mention. So important to hear. Important to recognize how you operate internally and what you can do to get yourself out of bitch-mode. Develop a personal strategy- and execute it CONSISTENTLY.
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Hmm, but what’s the fine line between meeting everyone’s gaze, and staring people down and making them uncomfortable the wrong way?
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Go stare people down every day for 2 weeks and let us know where that line is.
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@V
Exactly.
Physiologically there is no difference between anxiety and excitement.
Approach excitement not anxiety.
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Great reframe!
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You’re alive. Time for more posts from you.
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I do enjoy staring down women as I walk by, it’s always a thrill especially when they attempt to hold eye contact longer. But, men … no thank you. I tend to get the ‘fight’ reflex, if it’s longer than fleeting, when it does happen, and it usually accompanies and aggressive gesture from myself such as spitting, loudly, on the ground, to warn the potential aggressor.
Where I come from, prolonged eye contact with men means a duel; it probably shouldn’t, but I had the unfortunate displeasure of growing-up on the periphery of a ghetto and consequently exposed to black culture writ large.
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“it usually accompanies and aggressive gesture from myself such as spitting, loudly, on the ground, to warn the potential aggressor.
Where I come from, prolonged eye contact with men means a duel”
where do you come from, 1836 texas?
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I’ve heard that the reason approach anxiety evolved was that in early tribes, if you started hitting on a girl who was already spoken for you would receive a beating from the local alphas, perhaps ending in death. This seems plausible and it gives us a selection mechanism. I wonder if this has been observed in primate groups?
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Blah never mind, it’s been said already.
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Its especially important to do this when you’re taking a piss in a urinal. Better yet, try to introduce yourself and shake hands. Give a good firm grip when you do so. That way everyone will know you’re the alpha male.
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Off topic:
Look at this crime
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2114904/Nicole-Eggert-straps-daughter-puffs-way-hike.html
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HOLY
FUCKING
WALL
BATMAN!
but then again, in that pic with pam anderson, you can see the flab just wanting to bust out.
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HOLY FUCK that hambeast is a girl I used to fap to hardcore. God DAMN time has not been kind.
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what has been seen….
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Moo!
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Great advice. It’s baby steps like these that help me little by little to make and actual change in my behaviour.
Regarding an explanation for the prevalence of approach anxiety in men, blogger Dark Triumvirate offers an idea in the second and third paragraphs of his article here:
http://darktriumvirate.wordpress.com/2011/10/24/the-advent-of-the-dark-triad/
He speaks of humans forming small ‘family packs’ in the ancestral environment, consisting of one alpha male (and his women) and two or so subordinates (beta males) to aid in hunter-gathering. Betas were not allowed to touch the women, with only food as a reward for their loyalty. He argues that as the packs roamed and encountered larger game than they could handle, the ‘pack’ evolved into a larger ‘tribe.’ Tribes had one leading alpha and several more women and betas. Food was not longer a sufficient incentive for beta loyalty; the alpha had to share his women as well.
With such a high beta:alpha ratio in the tribe, and everybody getting a chance to mate, beta characteristics prevailed in the offspring.
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When you can climb a mountain without breaking a sweat, find a bigger mountain. Being tired and sweaty means you’re pushing your body’s limits and challenging yourself.
If the girls you’re approaching don’t give you approach anxiety, approach hotter girls. Being nervous means you’re pushing your level of entitlement and challenging yourself.
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I don’t chase women in bars anymore. I’m old. When I used to, if I approached a woman and she rejected me, I pretty much had to leave. Every woman in the place not only knew I was rejected, they also knew that they were not my first choice. This can lead to a lot of cover charges spent on a night out.
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Any tips on tempering that gaze for guys who tend to be labeled as the “scary guy”?
I wish I had a dollar for every girl I ended up banging who said afterwards, “I thought you hated me when I first met you.” I’ve managed to overcome that for the most part, but it still tends to fuck up my Day Game more often than I’d like.
[heartiste: i wouldn’t worry. hatred beats indifference any day.]
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Ha. There’s nothing wrong with that. Make a bints heart flutter a but and you’ll get her hamster ramped up like crazy.
Temper it with comic relief.
you: *Intense stare*
slut: “have I done something wrong?” (or words to this effect)
you: “there’s something on your top” (put a finger just below her chin)
slut: *looks down*
you: *tap her chin by raising your finger. Don’t laugh, just continue intense stare but smirk very slightly to let her know that it’s ok to laugh–i.e. to give her a subtle cue.*
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“I thought you hated me when I first met you.”
There could be an unspoken corollary to this which goes something like, “…but I really wanted you to like me.” People sometimes tend to want what they can’t have. If she thought you hated her at first, that can still work out to your advantage.
“I thought you hated me when I first met you.” Better than drooling on yourself when first met her, right?
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“Evolutionary thinking……”
It’s a form of cognitive dissonance, from an evolutionary perspective men simply took what they wanted. The male pre-selects, with the script being flipped men have to apply psycho sexual dominance (game).
That’s why women prefer douche bags, they’re simply following the old script while intelligent men can’t overcome their civility to follow the old script.
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“Sounds plausible, but it still doesn’t explain why such “male impairment” around women would evolve — or avoid being selected against — in the first place. It’s pretty well obvious from observing naturals in action that the men with the least anxiety and the nimblest tongues have the most success with women.”
In the past more than 1/3 of males were murdered by other males. Those who were impaired perhaps were not deemed sexual competitors and thus were not wacked.
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Many women- any woman good looking enough to have a white night- can arrange to have your ass kicked if you offend her. This isn’t a caveman thing, it’s a right-now thing. (Or at least a when-I-was-a-kid-in-a-lower-middle-class-blue-collar-school thing back in the day. I doubt it’s much different now.) The woman herself is not an actual physical threat, but whatever guy she can summon is. So being afraid when interacting with women is quite rational.
Obviously if you show any nervousness around her, you are showing you aren’t as high status as her, or at least you are lower status than her white knight. Beyond showing lower status, this display can actually trigger aggression.
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Y’all are missing all the action at the Huffington Post where a mangina published an article against the Men’s Rights Movement with the likely expectation that the comments wouldn’t run 90% against him:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/kyle-bachan/mens-right-movement_b_1341913.html
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[…] just read this post about how to make a girl catatonic without vodka! I think that the science seems reasonably sound… but even if it isn’t I […]
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A friend, who is from a middle eastern country, used to stare down women. In his country, men are not allowed to talk to a woman unless introduced by the father or brother of the woman.
So, the way they communicated interest was to stare at a woman until she asked her father to introduce you.
So, while sitting with him at a local pub, he would intently stare at women. Instead of getting their interest, he would creep them out.
Key is, if they looked at him, he would turn away.
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“Key is, if they looked at him, he would turn away.”
Yeah, this is the complete opposite of what we’re talking about here. By staring, we mean locking eyes.
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Duh. I knew that, else I would have left that detail out.
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Approach anxiety may be an evolutionary brake on mating to avoid overpopulation and Malthusian disaster. Same with homosexuality or asexuality. Most people seem to interpret Darwinian evolution as presupposing that evolutionary changes are selected for positive results at the individual level, but maybe it’s more complicated than that.
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All this talk about approach anxiety being somehow the result of evolution… I would argue that it is not necessarily a genetically inherited trait at all. It is a state of mind – one which can be overcome by learning skills. It is not in your DNA as if it is something you cannot change. It is all in your head, your psychology. Once AA has been overcome, that does not mean you changed your DNA.
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Tyler on approach anxiety and getting himself in state and how he reframes having anxiety as a GOOD thing because it means he gets a chance to practice the skill of getting over it. Now
THAT’S a reframe.
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Flogging a dead etc:
Regarding the post link to CH’s earlier Alpha Body Language piece, I have to say that when it comes to nodding I have to disagree with our venerable host (and many commentators) on this one.
I agree with one of the commentators that the upwards nod is a “whassup” kind of ultra cool and minimal thing that in itself indeed can make you seem casual and yes, aloof. Yesterday, for example, I used it at a dept. store clothing section where I already knew the clerk and he was some distance away (and I was about to unload a not-insignificant amount of money too and he knew that). A powerful and minimal way to acknowledge someone and to exude a sense of entitlement, yes.
But I don’t think that I still prefer it to the “regular”, downward nod. Maybe it’s dependent also on the mindset of the nodder; even though the downward nod indeed can seem to have an element of “submissiveness”, with my mindset-of-value the downward is rather an ironic acknowledgment of the other’s existence, as if I was already above them. The upwards thing has more of a fratty “how’s it going” air and would for the purpose of the post be too buddy-like too soon. Especially in terms of business introductions with handshakes, I think that everything else in your body language — dressing, posture, handhake — is more important and a fratboy upwards nod is better suited when you already know someone and there is no handhaking involved.
To condense:
1 downward: A sense of superiority, looking/nodding down, ironic. Good if I want to look like an immovable, unshakeable object who is just about and barely arsed to move from his mental position.
2 upward: “Yo man”-type greeting of acknowledgment that is a more open and, admittedly, more sexually-loaded gesture of coolness. But in my mind, as a pure power-play ploy weaker exactly due to its more casual stance.
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While reading that piece, I immediately began thinking about a Rowan Atkinson live show that featured both of these nods in a way that excellently highlights their respective “natures”:
“You can be too casual.” This is the “whassup” upwards nod.
(The whole video is a hilarious goldmine of differing attitudes, like the “Look like you’ve been momentarily distracted” a bit earlier.)
“The benign king.” The downward nod; a king is willing to give his grace to his humble servants and nods from his throne — downward, as if he was higher than them, both physically and, more importantly, in a psychological sense.
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Anonymous on March 14, 2012 at 7:23 pm
“Its especially important to do this when you’re taking a piss in a urinal. Better yet, try to introduce yourself and shake hands. Give a good firm grip when you do so. That way everyone will know you’re the alpha male.”
LMAO.
Hey! Why you pissing in my pocket?
Staring men down in the street?? You what??!
Remember, the guys on Jackass are professionals.
Please do not try this at home, folks.
Especially if that home is Glasgow (the whitest city on the planet, BTW).
Not for a second, with anyone, anyone at all .. unless you’re a real big fan of The Joker’s look.
Only jellied-up suicide-bombers get away with that shit round here.
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The clear evolutionary reason is that this is a form of ensuring that a man has enough learned self-confidence before he can approach women.
Human is a tribal animal. It makes no sense to have an evolutionary advantage over other tribe members in each and every case, particularly it doesn’t make sense to have some deceptive capability. Some cooperative mechanism for self-limiting is in order.
The men who are tribal leaders (alpha males) do have enough confidence so that they are able to overcome the anxiety, but the instinct impairs the beta males (in such length that it also temporarily reduces their intelligence – we could say that if you aren’t self-confident enougth, it makes no sense being too smart).
Your advice on how to get the self-confidence to stare at women is sensible. You propose to train the reflex on non-erotic way with men, so you can more precisely simulate the condition of being an alpha male in tribe. Confidence in erotic signalization with women will follow.
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Good advice regarding eye contact with women. But I would still not go starring contests with other men, man can view your eye stare as a challenge.
So unless you ready to back it up you might reconsider starring men down lol
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Right on about the power of looking directly into a girl’s eyes. And I think it’s actually more do-able than CH suggests. I’m an omega with severe lifelong a-a but even I succeeded at this once.
In my high school drama class, we had to grab a partner and practice eye contact on each other while also mirroring each other’s body gestures. A girl chose me. I never broke eye contact with her. Twice she broke eye contact but pretended it was because she had something in her eye or some such excuse. If only I had known about Game back then, I could’ve taken advantage of the situation, because she was pretty cute.
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Negroes of both sexes are more eye contactual and more prone to stare you down.
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the million dollar secret to a 100% approach success rate is to make sure you have a rag sprayed with chemicals and approach from behind, my grandpa says im a liberal pussy his generation did with a club and then dragged em into a cave. bless the oldschool
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[…] has a new post about eye contact that references Chateau’s post from a while […]
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My technique: Sustained Eye contact, quickly followed with a half-smile.
If they stop, then you can hold contact while you approach. Truth be told, I haven’t had to approach when doing this.
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I’ve actually been doing these eye contact tricks for a long time now, for my own amusement when trying to kill time in a bus or train. Kinda lulz to try and see how long can you and other people hold on. I believe david shade has an ancient famous post in this regard.
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I have an issue with people like roosh especially who claim game doesn’t work as well in USA as in Iceland or Bulgaria or Scandinavia…..
Maybe in your face feminazi burning isn’t the way to go… but subtle slut-shaming, dominance ploys…. eye-contact like ch’s examples…… negging (subtle not thermonuclear) should and does work.
For example a feminist from Sweden tells you standing and peeing is misogynistic – Don’t get offended, don’t nod agreement like a Swedish pussy….. Calmly look her in the eye, ice cold, 5 seconds, 10 seconds……. AAAAAAAAND….
“So?”
She’d whip out her gina and ask you to stand-up 69 her…..
Truth. Real-fucking-ly.
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