Satoshi Kanazawa, a popularizer of evolutionary psychology before Psychology Today canned him for insufficiently footnoted and massaged crimethink, has frequently been fond of asserting that women exercise ALL the choice in the mating market. Men are just along for the ride, hoping to be one of the chosen. (Kanazawa’s absolutism on this matter is particularly galling, since he should know better. His claim is easily refuted. For example, I’ve had chubby chicks come onto me, and I’ve turned them down. Direct, stone cold rejection must feel a hundred times worse for women than it does for men.)
A certain breed of slutty tankgrrl feminist likes to claim the same thing; that women can have all the sex they want, whenever they want, and with whomever they want, and men have no say in the matter. A willful ignorance — or, more accurately, a clinical self-delusion — about the wall and men’s attractiveness standards is required to hold this position.
Then there are the beta and omega male trolls, a truly abhorrent species who occasionally squirt their tepid loserjizz in the comments of this blog when they announce — almost gleefully — that women rule, and men are hopeless horndogs who happily fuck fat and ugly chicks, making life difficult for the betas who have to deal with ego-pumped fatties.
They’re all wrong. Men do exercise choice in the dating market, and men with options — the men most desired by women — exercise the most choice of all, usually with extreme prejudice.
A simple program of getting out of the house and mingling in a social context should suffice as all the proof of male choice that you’ll need, but since a significant percentage of internet theorizers appear to be shut-ins or trollish cranks, it sometimes helps these wayward souls if a scientific study or two is posted to clear their muddled musings. In this study, evidence is given that men with more resources raise their mating standards.
Resources are a cardinal component of male mate value in the sexual exchange between men and women. Inspired by theories and research suggesting a link between mating and resource constructs as well as studies linking money and valuations of others, the current study tests the hypothesis that cues to resource availability may lead to higher mating standards for men, but not women. Participants were exposed to either stacks of paper, a small sum of money (104 Singapore dollars ∼USD$84), or a large sum of money (2600 Singapore dollars ∼USD$2100). Consistent with the hypothesis, after male – but not female – participants handled a large sum of money, they raised their minimum requirements for a date. [Physical attractiveness requirements drove this effect most significantly.] We discuss how the results are consistent with an evolutionary perspective on mating and how future research can further investigate environmentally contingent self-assessments and strategies.
The short and sweet of it: when men get more money, they start to screen for hotter chicks. That is, men with cash CHOOSE better looking girls.
I’ve no doubt similar studies that examined the relationship between social status, fame and game would find that men who acquired more of these positive traits would also begin raising their standards in what they will tolerate in a sex and love (but I repeat myself) partner.
It should be noted that studies like this demonstrating the reality of male mate choice do not imply that men exercise as much choice as women. That is false. Women are, by virtue of their more expensive and scarce reproductive life source, the more discriminating sex. It is absolutely true that a lot more men are willing to dump a lazy fuck in a fat chick than there are women willing to spread for a degenerate omega male.
But it’s simply a mistake to then extrapolate this relative leniency of male standards into evidence for a total lack of any male mating standards. Girls do experience rejection by men. The rejection may be more often indirect than direct (i.e. girls rarely approach, so when you don’t return their eye-play, or when you ignore their flirting, it subconsciously registers as the equivalent of a direct rejection to them), but it’s rejection nonetheless. Men with a thing or two going on will reject plenty of less attractive, older, sluttier and fatter women in their lifetimes.
The men having sex with all those fatties, fugs, sluts, single moms and cougars are not the high value, in-demand alphas that whiny beta trolls like to claim they are. It’s the loser males and the expedience cads — the men either most desperate for sexual intimacy or most uninterested in long-term commitment and a woman’s “special qualities” — who drop their standards to roll with a hippo for a night.
So the common trope that fat chicks are getting laid with no trouble is misleading; they’re getting laid, but it’s not with quality. And for women, quality is job one. Few women except the most deluded freaks feel good about themselves or confident in their sexual market value after enduring years of excessively short-term hookups with losers, or repeatedly failing to extract long-term commitment from the occasional dumpster diving winner. This is why it’s more common for ugly women to go years without sex; women, far more than men, prefer the life of celibacy to the life of being reminded of their low value by loser lovers.
For men, standards rise and fall with one’s relative status, social savvy, charisma, looks and resources. When any or all go up (looks being somewhat age-dependent), men tend to filter out less attractive women more aggressively, and pursue hotter chicks. When any or all go down, the opposite happens. A man’s options will dictate how ruthlessly he weeds out unacceptable women.
For women, standards are mostly set by conception, and cemented by birth after the hormonal chaos in the womb has been integrated. The looks a woman is born with will, with minor exceptions (for instance, sex ratios), determine her mating standards later in life, up until the age when her appearance begins to abandon her.
This is the one, intrinsic advantage that men have over women in the eternal and escalating reproductive arms race: a man has the opportunity to improve his lot in life, or improve his attributes, and mate up the attractiveness ladder. With this opportunity comes risk; a man can also find himself mating down the ladder. Women, by contrast, have no such opportunity. They are issued a short list of achievable standards at birth, and this list cannot be altered; it is only revoked at such time that she has exhausted the mate capital she was bequeathed before she even gained consciousness.

Typically men are the initiators, so in a sense women generally get first right of rejection just by default. But it’s weird to ignore the fact that men get to decide who to try to initiate things with in the first place.
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Women know it, they just let the hamster spin this convenient fact away. We are well aware of whom we can pull in, we just don’t and won’t admit it to ourselves upon pain of death.
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Nothing with human beings is cut in stone.
[heartiste: plastic surgery has not (yet) reached the point where it can convincingly replicate youthful female beauty. it’s still in the “omg, look at that monster!” stage.]
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No amount of plastic surgery can give a woman smooth porcelain skin, firm but soft breasts, an ass with the correct mix of fat and muscle tone that will bounce a quarter, intoxicating pheromones, or any other quality that comes naturally to hot, young girl who doesn’t even try.
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I was thinking more of a young woman who already has that which you mention, but who also has a honker like Gerard Depardieux. The best plastic surgery is performed on young women with resilient skin, correcting the minor genetic defects that they would otherwise have had to negotiate around.
I remember a certain Debby Moskowitz from my distant youth. A very talented surgeon turned her from someone who made Streisand look like Grace Kelly to someone who could bury all the shiksa goddesses in my high school
Plastic surgery won’t make cat chow into sunday dinner, but it is good enough to serve as a carousel extender. I can see why you would want to discount it. It is camouflage for substandard DNA, but it’s a powerful weapon if wielded intelligently and with a close eye on its limitations.
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True, but it can prolong that youthful appeal (e.g.: Morgan Fairchild).
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Doesnt Morgan Fairchild have a penis??
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I’ve always felt that, generally speaking, cosmetic plastic surgery screws up the natural *proportions* of the human form, whether they be the proportions of the face or the body. The result is that something deep in the inner workings of my brain signals me that something’s not quite right with what I’m seeing; my sexual response then goes right out the window (seen that Bethenny Frankel chick lately? Google her pic, but lo! prepare to gouge your eyeballs out!).
So many Hollywood starlets seem to have those extra-tiny (and extra-angular) noses, and giant, earthworm-y lips, and the whole thing just leaves me cold.
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Um, women who’ve had plastic surgery on their faces tend to look grotesquely misshapen. Sorry, try again.
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Ah, but you only notice plastic surgery when it’s obvious and grotesque. Think of all the plastic surgery you haven’t noticed because it looked perfectly natural 😉
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I bought 10 t-shirts. How could you ever have enough of these? If I don’t wear them all I can always gift them. What a great idea!
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Women can do a fair bit to improve their situation by cooking well, being pleasant and respectful, etc.
[heartiste: that only works once they are in a relationship. women’s looks still predominate in the determination of which men will want to fuck, date and commit to them.]
It’s not really compensation for being unattractive, but after all most men aren’t winners either.
[no one said that.]
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I think most of what is made of this is women who are looking for commitment after they hit their 30s and certainly 40s. No one is blaming anyone for getting old. They are getting blamed for looking for commitment(the highest value act a man can offer much like a woman’s untouched young body being the most she can offer). Looking for a “good man” to commit to you when you are 40 after having your fun is much like a pasty, couch potato loser who rarely leaves his basement asking a hot girl if she would mind if he could dump a fuck in her. Its that insulting to ask a “good man” to commit after being past prime.
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That’s some good stuff right there, chi-town.
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Spot on. I keep seeing profiles on okcupid of these women, it’s fucking laughable and repellent. Especially if they’re 40+ and list that they want kids, um, are you fucking kidding me lady? What kind of loser would knock up an old lady, bearing in mind that it’s even possible.
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And yet Seth Rogan has made a career out of this very thing!
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It sells because the masses of beta men will pay to believe the fantasy.
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I wouldn’t commit and let move in with me any woman who doesn’t know how to cook to at least some degree and doesn’t want to learn how to a considerable degree. But that’s hardly the first filter. Looks are, including sex hungriness, followed by status (mainly college and decent job) and personality.
I’ve always thought that Heartiste downplayed women’s status too much for LTR’s and marriage at least for most guys raised in the upper upper middle class on up.
[heartiste: marriage is a somewhat different market than the dating market. When i say women’s status means absolutely nothing, i mean that there isn’t a man alive (barring rare exceptions) who gets viscerally excited… HORNY… BLOOD PULSE QUICKENING… when he hears that the girl he’s on a date with just got her JD. degrees, jobs, social status of women have ZERO effect on the boner and near zero effect on the man’s heart.
in contrast, a man’s social or occupational status can literally inflame a woman’s vulva with passion.]
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In reality it’s a boner-killer, especially with a PH.D / JD.
“Oh really? Yeah, ummmm, good luck with that. I’ll pay half” BACKTURN
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Fucking outliers like you are pushing women to become careerist cunts.
Not to paraphrase bill fucking bennett, but you should man up and rely on your fucking self. A woman is supposed to be there and raise kids. Period
Requiring a college degree from a woman is like requiring a 4 year long experiment in a bordello.
You’re a joke, man. And it’s not even funny.
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Yeah I always avoided lawyer chicks for LTR’s. They’re fine for one offs and flings though. I literally screwed most (not all) of the hotter girls in my law school. Developed a bad reputation and things just snowballed in a good way from there.
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psshaw!
College and job over personality? You’re kidding me.
Well-off men should not care about where/if their wife went to college because they can afford not to. If she is trailer trash, that’s one thing. But to tell me a hot Barista with no financial future can’t raise your kids and look pretty sitting next to you at a gala is dumb – you’re eliminating some of the best lookers around.
Go to any upper-class white neighborhood and look at the hot mommies sipping cocktails in their tennis gear at 11am on a Tuesday. Half of them are probably drop outs.
My last 3 ladies have been the “barely getting by” type and I have found them to have better personalities and be more interesting than the Ivy-educated lumps you think I should desire. They also stay in shape because they don’t have delusions that their career turns me on.
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I agree with Johann. Like so many of Heartiste’s posts, this one is correct as far as it goes, but neglects important aspects of the subject under discussion.
The main problem is that women don’t have the same goals as men. Most women don’t want to have sex with a numerous and wide range of partners. They want to have a long-term (preferably lifetime), committed relationship to one high quality man.
To do this, looks are only important initially, and then mostly at the lower ranges (as in, if you are a really ugly woman this is a big problem; but if you’re just average or moderately attractive it doesn’t matter as much). This is because if you are moderately attractive (say a 7), 80%+ of men will still want to sleep with/date you, and that is a wide enough selection to have plenty of good initial options. Remember a woman only needs one interested man, because she wants a lifetime committed relationship.
Because women are playing a long-term game, their other characteristics are far more important (nurturing qualities, intelligence, class background, etc.). I happen to know a lot of what you might call trophy wives (women married to successful, wealthy, attractive men, ie, alphas with money), which is kind of the goal for a lot (most?) of women. They are all fairly attractive (and certainly none are fat or even overweight), but are not the most beautiful available by a long shot. Beauty is just not the most important consideration when selecting a wife.
There are lots of beautiful women who are losers on the sexual marketplace, by FEMALE standards. (And for the most part, being 40 and unattached suggests that you are a loser, since otherwise you would have succeeded in your goal already. I think this is mostly why older women have problems in finding a quality mate, not because of their age per se).
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“Trophy wife” is the feminist term for gold digger.
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“They want to have a long-term (preferably lifetime), committed relationship to one high quality man. ”
They don’t even want that. They want money. Period.
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I’ll put up with slightly more crap from a hotties than an average girl whose “nice and cooks.”
Fatties? No thanks. I don’t care how kind, sweet, or food-friendly they are.
I can pay a Mexican $8 an hour, or less, to cook and clean.
Keeping out of the carbs and naked and horny is worth far more.
Similarly, I could truly give a shit about her job. The more high-status it is, the worse her attitude, usually, along with eye watering student loans that will end up being paid by (if she’s hot) some guy, anyway.
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When people refer to choice, they are referring to the average male vs. average female. The average female exercises much more choice than the average male. The average female sitting in a bar by herself gets hit on by everyone, from losers to alphas. The average male in a bar gets hit on by no one, or at best, a fatty.
Don’t forget all the married couples where you see an average male with a below average fatty.
I would hazard to say that a guy with tight game raises his level of choice to that of an average chick, which is still far beyond that of an average guy.
The average guy has a much harder time raising his choice than the average girl. The average guy has to develop tight game or earn a lot of status or money, but any guy who can achieve those things is, by definition, not average at all. The average girl just needs to show some skin, wear a push-up bra, and act friendly to raise her choice level.
[heartiste: you mean, to raise her choice level in men who are already willing to fuck her for at least a one night stand. showing skin does not improve a woman’s chances to snag a higher quality man for commitment. in fact, it does just the opposite.]
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Yep, showing skin is a slut tell. For women the biggest things they can do is (1) Lose weight (an extremely small minority actually needs to gain weight) in the right areas (2) Act wifely (you always say feminine, demure, etc. but I would also add that they should be the responsible ones wherever they are at. Cleaning up, asking if people are OK, etc.).
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Oh, for chrissakes, showing skin is not a slut tell.
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Yes, males and females have antagonistic strategies for relationship choice with “high quality” mates.
A male who wishes to induce a high quality mate into a relationship must fuck her quickly. A female who wishes to induce a high quality mate into a relationship must get him to commit resources/time, i.e., not fuck him quickly. This is the time-honored push-pull strategy that women employ. The average chick can show some skin to attract a high quality male with the lure of sex, but then can inject flaking or last minute resistance that drives high quality men, who are used to getting their way, wild.
It is much easier for an average female to push-pull a high quality man than for an average male to fuck a high quality woman.
That’s why so many high status (rich) men are married to average looking women, who happen to be intelligent and capable of playing them, while high status women (hot) are rarely married to average men.
It also depends on what you mean by “high quality”. Because the Bill Gates, Rupert Murdochs, and Bill Clintons of the world get Melissa Gates, Wendi Deng, Hilary & Monica Lewinsky, but the Kevin Federlines and Bring Da Tapes of the world get Britney & ripe pubescent girls.
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Or, it could just possibly be that Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, and yes, even Slick Willie himself, despite their wealth and fame, are betas in their attitudes toward women. Yes, I actually have the temerity to declare Slick Willie a beta, or even a beta-minus — look at the women he chose to harass, screw around with, or marry. I don’t understand how anybody could possibly impose himself on Juanita Broaddrick, or marry Hillary Rodham. Donald Trump, despite his a-hole personality, is also a beta; he does well enough with hot Eastern European women, but can’t seem to keep them.
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Or maybe Trump just trades them in for a newer model?
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“…but then can inject flaking or last minute resistance that drives high quality men, who are used to getting their way, wild.”
Flaking is a shit test, which can be countered against. LMR usually occurs from lack of sexual comfort established, which can also be countered.
High quality men aren’t driven “wild” when these things happen. We’ll either overcome them and get sex, or work on something else hotter/younger/tighter until she swings back in line…
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Its “Bring da movies”
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Not exactly. Read this paragraph again:
The rejection may be more often indirect than direct (i.e. girls rarely approach, so when you don’t return their eye-play, or when you ignore their flirting, it subconsciously registers as the equivalent of a direct rejection to them), but it’s rejection nonetheless.
Women are the real initiators. Men simply respond to such encouragement. When men initiate, that’s when women complain about being harassed. The only change I’d make in heartiste’s statement is I’d strike “subconsciously” — that’s not true in all cases.
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“Women are the real initiators. Men simply respond to such encouragement. When men initiate, that’s when women complain about being harassed”
Nope.
Cold approach PUAs will approach girls who’ve given zero signals at all or don’t even realize they’re there and still work their game and do fine.
Harassment is when a guy is socially uncalibrated and can’t tell he’s making the girl uncomfortable. Two guys jump out of the shadows at a girl, one makes her laugh the other creeps her out. The first guy is a funny “how we met” story she’ll tell for years after boning him. The second guy is a creep harassing her. The approach itself and whether there were signals for it or who initiated it is irrelevant.
I’ve found that naturals tend to wait for signals though. Even if it’s just eye-contact.
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Ya, agreed… what I do if I want to meet a girl and she doesn’t notice me is “prime the pump” — throw ONE casual drive-by comment at her and go off to the side somewhere. If she is interested and didn’t see me before, she’ll then start looking at me a lot. Sometimes it takes a little kick to get things started.
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I do it too. One of my natural buddies will ONLY do that.
The downside is that it forces you to hold back until you basically get approval from the girl to approach which means you’re limiting your selection a bit from “I approach any girl I’m attracted to” to “I approach any girl who gives me the signals that she’s into me”.
For your own development, approach some girls 100% cold. Like their back is to you, no drive-by comment, just start spitting your game. It’s good for the soul in two ways cause 1) you’ll find a lot of girls are still receptive and now you’ve just unlocked another situation you’re comfortable opening in, and 2) a lot of girls will be creeped out lol but the rejection will teach your brain that it’s not the end of the world and you get to practice turning around awkward social situations and handling social pressure. After doing some sets like that, approaching a girl who responds to your drive-by comment is child’s play. 🙂
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Baiting is not the same as initiating. A delicious rack in a push up bra gets the attention of all males save the gays, but it’s not initiating.
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There are animals where the males will have sex with whatever female who will have sex with them. Humans are not like that.
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How do you explain this then:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2117319/Mothers-bid-fattest-human-115-stone—shes-marrying-chef-help-her.html
(WARNING: Don’t click that link on a full stomach)
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i think it’s refreshing in this day and age to see a beautiful full-figured woman has found true love in a good man who loves her for who she is on the inside.
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And don’t forget… all bodies are good bodies! 🙂
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You heard his “Circle of Why Bother?” about Anthropology, now hear Archer on mate choice by men:
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I just noticed this Time front page article in my waiting room on why it is better for everyone that women are becoming America’s breadwinner. I can’t believer the liberal nonsense that is constantly being fed to the masses. I wish you could shred this article to pieces and point out all of the lies: http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,20120326,00.html
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Women earning more is better for women and cads because they get to fuck each other with no strings attached.
Remember, when the media talks about “everyone” benefitting from some new policy or trend, they are talking about all women and cads. Regular dudes are not considered human or worth mentioning.
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As De Niro put it in Casino… how that hypergamy working out for ya?
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In truth riding the carousel has a cost despite the delusion of women and the liberal media.
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clearly nobody at time’s ever taken a look at a typical woman’s credit card bills.
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Time magazine is a waste of time. Pure feminist propaganda.
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This is just rationalizing their own bad decision making. The concept of a sunk cost is simply beyond them.
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love that!
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It’s an interesting commentary on fem-centric socialization that women should need to keep up the narrative that women enjoy absolute choice in the SMP.
The longer they can perpetuate men believing this, the more freedom women have to exercise their hypergamy before cashing out with a long-term provider. This is precisely the reason men who become Game-aware after marriage, children or LTR commitment are so frustrated. The jig is up and they realize that their sexual market value is leagues apart from the woman he committed to as his affluence and influence increase as he matures.
He can exercise more choice in the SMP with maturity while her choice declines post-Wall. This is why it is imperative men be socially encouraged to believe the lie of women’s absolute sexual selection. Without it, substandard women will have less capacity to consolidate their hypergamy with the best and the brightest.
https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/the-threat/
Nothing is more threatening yet simultaneously attractive to a woman than a man who is aware of his own value to women.
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“The jig is up and they realize that their sexual market value is leagues apart from the woman he committed to as his affluence and influence increase as he matures.”
Most very desirable men don’t marry young, it seems.
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Which is exactly where the MRA comes into it. Men who have been scammed by the patriarchy and the family courts and justice system. Meanwhile, big government enables women to do whatever they want with no consequences. They are given a pussy pass to murder and divorce and take men’s assets from them.
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Marrying at 22 out of college is just lethal in the long run. At 40? For most men its not endless since a 60 old man is over the top as well. But 40 is still prime. Need a 10 year age gap and with a woman who is aware of what it means to be fat, butch and fullback up the middle.
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Agreed, excellent post Rollo.
Another thought I had re the female hypergamy rationalization is the fact that it pushes women to start child bearing *after* their peak fertility years- if at all. And instead they’ll invest this time (and the bulk of their earnings) into becoming an efficient alpha cock-carouselling vagina on wheels.
While the MSM rationalizes this behavior as “careerist women empowering themselves” it’s really an emotional delusion to justify the fact their investing their paychecks into shoes/clothes/crap to compete with other women for attention, validation and alpha cock.
I’d rather have the hot 22yr old in the cheap 6inch…then her future 32yr old self that can afford $5,000 heels.
We’re in for an exponential incline of cum guzzling cougars with large bank accounts, fragile egos and lots of foofy cats and dogs.
Monday night pick up will just get easier…
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I need only look at my ex wife, at 36, she has hit the wall, and gets infuriated seeing me with a younger woman, while her desperation increases.
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Hehe!
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This is why women should never chase men.
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The reason why women shouldn’t chase men for initial sex is because when they do so, it completely negates and at least somewhat (and if she chases hard, a lot) reverses the female advantage in being the gatekeeper of sex because she’s stingier about wanting it. Supposedly. And on average in reality. But not always in particular. But she should affect the on average feelings, to retain that advantage. From her point of view.
Of course, I play to get girls chasing me. Or did. And sometimes do. Well mostly as a team.
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in a way it’s a good thing that women believe they have all the power.
it’s why a man rejecting a women is like jabbing a thousand heroin needles into her clit at once.
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“The looks a woman is born with will, with minor exceptions (for instance, sex ratios), determine her mating standards later in life, up until the age when her appearance begins to abandon her.”
This is a good point. I’d add that a girl born into a higher “social class” can also be an attractive for Alpha Males. An additional attraction trigger beyond looks.
A girl depends first on her father, and then a husband, for her social status. If she’s lucky enough to get some experience early on in life (the right schools, the right class), this facility can attract and even win a high demand Alpha.
For example, Jackie Kennedy, (born Bouvier), got JFK as a husband. I don’t think anyone would say she was a “10” or even a “9” for a guy of this caliber. The son of Joe Kennedy, one of the richest men in the world at the time, headed for the most powerful job in the world at that time, President.
So how did she win him? It seems that, besides decent looks, she had a savoir faire about “men” — particular high status, Alpha males, of whom she probably learned growing up with her own Alpha father, an upper class cad nicknamed “Black Jack” .
No doubt this woman, when married JFK, knew she wasn’t the only sex he was having. One time she was asked by a newly wed woman in the Washington scene what to do about a cheating husband. “Look the other way,” she said.
No doubt what JFK saw in her was: she knew how to handle an Alpha, what such a man wanted in a wife, how to run the household (if only to supervise the servants), how to “make the home,” how to run the social field in the Upper Class world.
She proved this again later on by marrying, after JFK’s death, a billionaire Aristotle Onassis. Then he croaked and she got another windfall .(He called her “the supertanker” because that was how expensive she was to subsidize)
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Spot on about having more money means having to be much more selective. Women have a way of making their interest known by dangling the carrot known as sexuality very quickly as well if a) they know you possess money or at least financial stability and b) you are aloof and indifferent. They might wait on the man to make the first move, and that can be as easy as checking her out up and down, but after that they are doing the work.
A man who has financial independence coupled with self confidence has the upper hand.
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Having dated a guy who was fucking god damn gorgeous but troubled before he became famous, and then been pushed aside once he “arrived”, I can say that this post rings very true to me. I’m not sure though that love is the issue.
Men love differently than women, and can love multiple women simultaneously. Social status is going to determine how he treats them though, especially when the guy is more alpha than just in your social group or neighborhood or something.
There is a minority of men who can actually let social concerns twist their emotions, but those men aren’t what I’d call manly. Actual men seldom give a care to a woman’s social status at all.
So a fat chick’s fatness may reduce her social status, but if it doesn’t detract from her overall beauty enough that she is truly less pretty rather than simply low status compared to the butterface gym bunny standing next to her, it’s going to affect whether or not the guy commits but not touch his bonding or even territorial urges.
I do not envy a high status man’s torment in a situation where he’s in love with a low status woman and the maintenance of his social position depends on the judgement of less attractive, but higher status women and their lackeys…but that’s the price you pay to play.
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What ?
A woman who’s physically attractive IS high status, her looks give her that status.
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Don’t interrupt the hamster running the wheel, kid… we need the electric.
Heh, heh… “fatness… doesn’t detract from overall beauty”… there’s a couple of kilowatt hours right there.l
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You’re taking it out of context.
Seriously, you argue like a girl.
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There’s no argument… only mirth.
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Case in point.
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Heh, heh… “seriously”… where have we heard that word overtaxed recently?
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It is best to ignore the female commenters.
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It is best to ignore the female commenters.
Female commenters have plenty that they can teach the male commenters buddy.
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lol’d. and they say women have no sense of humour.
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As a general rule, yes… but there are some who take silence as consent to their babble… and it keeps the faucet running.
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Says the ignoramous who didn’t know there were White slaves…
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What the hell are you babbling about now, woman?
Everybody learns about Indentured Servitude and such during grade school history. Not responding to some of your ridiculous political 2+2=5 nonsense doesn’t equate to not knowing some of the (mostly irrelevant) facts you spew.
As heartiste often says “Show me where I said that.”
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Indentured servitude…you are an idiot.
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Tell that to a pretty prostitute who pisses off her madame or pimp.
Beauty is a commodity. If it is not attached to high social status, it is simply an exploitable resource.
In the U.S. because you’re somewhat egalitarian, you’re allowed to entertain the illusion that beauty = status, but out here in the rest of the world, old bitter bitches screw things up for young, beautiful women all the time…not to even mention normal looking women like myself.
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” old bitter bitches screw things up for young, beautiful women all the time”
This is so true. There are some sick women out there. I’m not saying I fall into the “young, beautiful” category although I may have once, but I have spirit and good humor and I haven’t completely forgotten how to smile:) Yet there are women who want to crush that spirit because I haven’t followed the same path they have. How dare I be happy? Well, they just can’t know what they can’t know.
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I’ll have to agree – a woman’s beauty doesn’t equal high social status. It’s obvious too, not sure why anyone would think it automatically gives you the status.
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Nicole,
Wouldn’t all this time you spend defending fat women be better spent at the gym?
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If I spent more time working out, I would be even bigger and uglier than I already am.
This does however, highlight one of the things I came to love about being strong, and why I couldn’t be happy with just walking and yoga.
I really hate catty women. I think most of the reason my original ideal for myself was strongwoman type is because it kept you away from me. I tried to see if I could get my body to lighten up by dialing back the weights and picking up heavy objects for fun, and it worked to a large degree but I hated myself. So now I’m compromising. Niki like throw heavy stone but not eat fake food and drink soy protein.
I understand why some of you are trying to insult me for agreeing with the OP. You have issues with what he said but are too pussy to say so, so when someone with actual experience of being left behind speaks up, you think you see an easier target.
The Heartiste has his/their own issues about fat, but they’re also not going to kiss a mouth full of rotten teeth or say that eyes that nearly touch, a manjaw, and a fluffy unibrow are attractive either. So what exactly is your argument? You want him/them to validate your, I don’t know since you have no pics, manhands? Receding hairline? What?
In case you missed it, I am fat and I got left in the dust.
Do you need me to repeat it? I am fat and got left in the dust.
We cool now? Are you experiencing sufficient haughtiness?
Good. Now, is it okay if I say I am making the best of my situation and cleaning up by sticking to guys who are stronger and more manly than me?
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My main issue with fat women is that they tend to be in a bad mood all the time.
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who can blame them? just one nasty remark or look will spoil their mood for the rest of the day. to tell you the truth, i’m surprised so many _don’t_ have a chip on their shoulder the size of a log.
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That is why they are fat. They have been sold the self esteem lie, that everyone is beautiful, all bodies are good, and no matter what they are always special.
Meanwhile the smart attractive women know that their beauty is ticking away, and attempting to get the best deal they can.
Spin hamster spin.
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People tend to get into a bad mood when you pull your dick out and start to piss on them.
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Not all people.
heh.
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Quite a catfight in this thread and I found it delightful.
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‘…is it okay if I say I am making the best of my situation’
as is this woman. nicole, i love you.
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Meisterzinger Lara… well-played.
At her age and weight the gym might be a lost cause… instead, I recommend she take up the violin… and give her jaw a rest.
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I play the flute, and have composed songs, written reams of poetry, invented a few actually useful things, and produced a future scientist.
You’ve created nothing.
The *only* thing you think you have on me is physical superiority, but as much as you pride yourself in wussery, I could probably lift you and drop you on your head without breaking a sweat.
You want to get darwinian? Pics or stfu.
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I could probably lift you and drop you on your head without breaking a sweat.
Once you embraced me, you’d never want to let me go… and there would be sweat.
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…and a strap-on.
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There’s that projection again… understandable, since you did mention that your husband could no longer perform.
(cue Claude Rains: “I’m shocked… shocked to learn!”)
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Could it be any more obvious that Johnny Boy has a massive crush on Nicole?!?!?
“Johnny and Nicky, sitting in a tree…” is what comes to mind.
Sidenote: In all seriousness, Nicole, you rock.
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Sisterhood be powerful… especially the grade-school variety.
It does the women-are-just-as-smart-as-men choir no good when, as one of you break wind, all the others wax poetic about the redolence.
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Not projection, John, simply reinforcing my statement of belief that you bleed monthly.
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Well, you’re denser than even I imagined you to be, if you’ve discerned from my multifarious posts that I’m female. Since that gambit of yours wasn’t really working from the start, I didn’t address it directly… and I would have thought that you’d pack it in by now and try a new routine.
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John, in the past there have been virulently racist posters who pretended to be male, but were essentially outed once it became clear that their objective was to promote limitation of male choice.
Women should be strongly encouraged to keep within their race if possible without wanting to eat a bullet. Men should love their culture but not lose their prerogative.
The good thing this does for a race is that the women who are not excess, diplomatic trade-outs, or rebels are protected and dating guys with whom they have shared values. The men on the other hand, get to seek women who would benefit their culture and line, and well…have adventures so their soul doesn’t die. They also have a higher chance of more offspring that will survive a greater variety of traumas if they’re spreading their genes widely enough.
Most guys get this even if they personally choose to stick to their own. Women often don’t get it.
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She can also do both 🙂
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“There is a minority of men who can actually let social concerns twist their emotions, but those men aren’t what I’d call manly. Actual men seldom give a care to a woman’s social status at all.”
You mean DouggyThePussy on this board?
I agree.
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Age is becoming my top priority for LTRs. I’m not ugly, not poor, and not socially awkward. And with all this game knowledge, I have bigger balls and often try to shoot way above my self-perceived league.
But for LTRs, love, companionship and all that stuff, I can trade looks for age any day. Dumping a 30 year old 9 for a 20 year old 7.5 is not even a matter of discussion.
Women should learn to settle. Early and once and for all. Beauty doesn’t matter a bit after the 28 yo mark.
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I frequently say, that: although women claim that they do not like ‘creepy’ Beta guys and that the worst thing that can happen to them is to be pursued by someone they are not interested in; in fact the thing they cannot abide is rejection, for to reject a woman is to reject everything she stakes her reputation on – her looks and sexuality. Only as recently as last Friday but one, as I entered the bar I found myself being glared at by a woman – a flight attendant for a major airline, so you can tell she’s good looking – because for one reason or another I have made it clear and very bluntly so that I am not interested. Women cannot tolerate this.
In sizing up a woman I am weighing up looks against sluttiness. If she is going to give me all I seek in bed, I will lower my standards, but if not they are as high as I am comfortable with.
My advice – gratis – to women , is for them to realise that their SMV is on a slow decline after 24 and that they should realise that they are nowhere near as hot as most of them think they are. If they realised that and were a little more pleasant and a little less slutty, they would not be so likely to receive rejection. It is rejection that fuels a lot of Feminism including the ridiculous slut-walks.
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“a flight attendant for a major airline, so you can tell she’s good looking”
Have you been on an airplane in the past twenty years?
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bingo.
my thought, too.
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lol ditto
I’ve given up the hopes of joining the mile-high club with a flight attendant. 😦
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LOL, I had a laugh with a friend of mine that in the seventies airline stewardesses had to be single, thin and attractive… and the airline stewardesses today are the EXACT SAME WOMEN that once fit that description.
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this is true for western airlines. but for other airlines from other parts of the world, not so much. they still have standards for female flight attendants.
i flew korean airlines not too long ago. every single one of the flight attendants was slender, attractive, young, and feminine. don’t think i could say the same for delta.
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yes, come to asia.
asian airlines all have young, hot, single and feminine stewardesses. it’s wonderful. not at all like the old cows on us airlines.
moved here six years ago. never coming back.
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A woman’s feminine charm can raise her real-life looks (not a photograph) by a point or more. Foreign women tend to be more alluring, just by being feminine….the way they walk, the way they talk, the way they listen. My woman is from South America, and we have a European tenant right now, so I experience it firsthand everyday. The European isn’t a beauty, but she has a feminine jeu ne se qua which turns heads.
Living in South America for years made my standards extremely high. Looking back, I regret turning down some of that poon, but I guess I was satisfied enough at the time to reject plenty of women. One of my biggest fans was a 21-year-old who is now a famous model….what was I thinking?
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Women may control access to sex, to a certain extent, but the fact is that men control access to relationships, and that’s coin of the realm in XX chromosome land. Of course, most poor Beta schlubs don’t realize it until the ring is already on her finger, when it’s almost too late. But if men would use the leverage they have with the relationship factor more judiciously, essentially upping their requirements and standards of behavior before any kind of commitment is implied, then weeding out the hypergamously-inclined women might be a little easier. It’s the poor Beta dudes who “fall in love” the first time they get their dick sucked who are messing things up.
By diving into a relationship (“giving it up”, so to speak) before you’ve done your due diligence on a woman you dilute the male power to form relationships and sabotage your own eventual happiness. But that sort of shit is pretty much Blue Pill anyway, and until we see a lot more dudes learn Game, that’s just how it’s going to be. Once women in general see that merely possessing a vagina does not give them absolute authority in a relationship — and high-value men start appreciating the value of their power to form relationships — then that might change.
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I’d argue that for some males, they have MORE choice than women.
I’m 21, so I see this a lot at bars. I have to be on my top game to attract the 21-24 hotties, many of them play along but not much comes out of it. Every once in a while I’ll mistakenly approach a cougar who looked good from behind. She turns around, her eyes glower with attraction and she responds well to my opener. When the realization of her age hits me, I tell her I’m going to get a drink and leave. THIS is male rejection.
Once you’ve established your alpha credo in a girl, and she’s caught on hook, line, and sinker, the rejection is in your hands. At this point, YOU have the absolute choice. You can reject/eject and leave her whenever you want; most men don’t realize this and they leave the power of rejection in HER hands.
GIrls don’t want the power of rejection when they’re around a high value man. They WANT to supplicate to you, as a beta supplicates to a hottie. When they appease you by spontaneously buying you gifts, that’s when you know the rejection is yours.
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Just a reply to the tweet about men not needing intimacy for their sexual and emotional health: Really? Do you honestly think men don’t need intimacy for their emotional health? Maybe we’re thinking of the term differently. I’m not necesarrily saying men need intimacy from women the women they have sexual relationships with, but most everybody needs people with whom they are close. It’s a hard life if you don’t have a good buddy, brother, or woman with whom you have an intimate emotional connection, i.e., both parties genuinely care about the other’s well-being.
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For example, I’ve had chubby chicks come onto me, and I’ve turned them down.
Haha. I remember you once posting about this. You had said something like “Not only is it unpleasant, but I think what does it say about me that they’d think I’d be on their level?”
That said, I’ve rejected women (sometimes unwittingly by just forgetting a number) and when I do I found they act like the most Beta of Beta men, behaving like babies. And it’s not just fat women men reject. I met up with a hot divorcee a year ago, but when she badmouthed her ex-husband over and over, I decided the drama wasn’t worth the reward. I’ve also blown off many a women via online dating when they messaged me being far older than the age range I’d states (and a mere six years younger than my dad — eewwwww!).
People are kidding themselves if they think women hold all the choice in the mating market. Maybe some men will screw anything; not all of them will.
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Reminds me of how I always get a laugh from my friends when they refuse to believe I have never rolled with a fattie or an ugly chick.
“Everybody’s done a fat chick sometime…”
“No way! Not even once!”
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I rescued a friend from the jaws of one such Sarlacc.
He thanked me when he sobered up.
Beer goggles works on the whole figure of the person, the face AND the personality it seems.
And even a national ranking in Tae-Kwon-Do won’t easily protect you from making the mistake of tangling with that…
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Nevermind, didn’t read it in the context of the related tweets.
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Its true that there’s not a lot that can be done to alleviate terrible facial structure, men have a much more forgiving bar for women. Basically women, don’t be fat. You get your BMI into the reasonable range, men are going to want to bang you. Then you need to have a tolerable attitude. It’s not hard. If you need to fix your teeth, fix your teeth. If you have acne, see a dermatologist.
A flat-chested, big-hipped (or flat-assed) girl with a plain face who is fit will have men interested in her. I can’t emphasize enough how often women completely disqualify themselves just based on their weight alone. The one thing they can control, they f up. Amazing.
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If they’re confident the man they “get” has no better option than her, you can bet they’re not going to make any effort.
Of course, this is also another reason why the man may not stay “get” once he comes into some success.
Hence why these women quickly load him up with kids, a mortgage and “honey-do” lists.
All about reducing his opportunity while maximising hers…
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Has anyone else noticed that rapidly approaching/hitting the wall older women try to project onto men their desire for status? I’ve had women my age (mid-30s) try to tell me what a great catch they are because of [insert career success here]. Are they delusional or really don’t under the sexual market?
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She is being realistic by pointing out that you won’t need to support her. A woman is being humble when she says that, she realizes her beauty isn’t enough.
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How do you know she isn’t going to quit her job after being married?
It’s surprising how quickly grrrl power deflates after the ring goes on the finger.
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Seen it happen…. of course the guy was on his 3rd wife and without the income to go that road again in the first place.
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Yeah Right.
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They don’t understand the SMP. They’ve subscribed to Equalism Doctrine.
“I’m attracted to high-status men. High-status men often have important / good paying jobs and/or degrees from important universities. I have those too! And men and women are no different from each other, gender is just a social construct…..soooo, I’m a great catch!”
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Noticed the same thing, it makes me laugh. I think it’s the intersection between delusion and reality; the time when they finally realize that their looks cannot attract men anymore and they’re flailing around to find the metaphorical parachute that will save them from hard contact with the bitter truth. Babe, I don’t care if you’re a doctor making x thousand a year, your face looks like chisled ice and your cooter is poorly aged roast beef. Please stay out of my line of sight, I’m trying to find the new twenty one year old intern….
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Regarding the twitter math video: I was impressed by Chelsea, coming up with traveling 60 miles, at 60 MPH, in 58 minutes. I’m not sure how she calculated that, but she did get close.
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I don’t know. I never had a problem living without the attention of what in my mind was a 6. So yeah, I did make that choice. I wanted nothing to do with 7s and 8s who I thought were nuts.
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It is absolutely true that men exercise mate choice. Over the decades, many substandard women have come on to me, and I have rejected them all. I only want the hot ones.
In fact, exercising choice is how I came to understand game, in the days before the term was invented. I had good alpha instincts, but I would deliberately act beta toward women that I wanted, because I thought that was what you needed to do. After all, women SAY they want nice guys, and our whole beta culture tells you this. And to a rational male mind, it makes sense to be nice to girls that you like.
Ah, but we are talking about women, not sense. My beta efforts were largely unsuccessful, and for years I could not figure out why. But then I began to notice that while I rarely scored with the girls I wanted most, I had many chance to score with those that I did not care about. At first I attributed this to the fact that the ones I wanted were the hottest, and the others were not so hot.
But then I met a very hot girl that I could not stand. Despite her great beauty I disliked her personality so much that I did not want to be around her, so I treated her with much aloofness. To my surprise, she began coming on to me. The more I rejected her, the more she chased me.
This gave me a glimmer of an idea, and I began to act aloof toward hot girls that I wanted. The results were amazing. I found that all I had to do was be my natural asshole self and the girls would come to me. Pickup was easier that I had ever imagined it could be.
As I gained experience I realized that women are perverse creatures indeed. They want men who treat them badly and reject men who treat them well. The more I understood women the less I was able to take them seriously. And of course my non-serious attitude only increased my success with them.
Needless to say, my increasing knowledge of women obliterated any desire I may have had to form long term relationships. I remain happily single, with no regrets. I just wish something like this website had been available 40 years ago, so I wouldn’t have had to learn all this the hard way, by trial and error. (On the other hand, I was fortunate to have lived my prime years in the 1970s and 80s, when most women were slim and the malignant cancer known as feminism was not as large as it is today.)
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But then I met a very hot girl that I could not stand. Despite her great beauty I disliked her personality so much that I did not want to be around her, so I treated her with much aloofness. To my surprise, she began coming on to me. The more I rejected her, the more she chased me.
Dude, once again you hit the nail on the head. Same thing happened to me at college. I started dating a girl pretty much everyone wanted who I think took to me because I simply didn’t take to her (too perky; former child actress and a bit weird). When she pushed things I figured it would work out because she was, in fact, hot. Unfortunately, after I started dating her, I realized I really could not stand her and abruptly ended it.
She got so obsessive I ended up having to talk with the head of Campus Safety about stalking. Not a fond memory.
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pop culture example of a woman being honest about the attraction for bad boys and disdain for good guys:
mary j blige with drake — mr. wrong
–in the billboard top 100 songs
*****
lyrics sample
[Mary J Blige]
Bad boys aint no good
Good boys aint no fun
Lord knows that I should
Run off with the right one
[Chorus]
Me and Mr Wrong get along so good (so good)
Even though he breaks my heart so bad (so bad)
We got a special thing going on
Me and Mr Wrong (mister wrong)
Even if I try, no, I never could
Give him up cause his loves like that
Aint no way that I’m moving on
I love my Mr Wrong
*****
http://www.directlyrics.com/mary-j-blige-mr-wrong-lyrics.html
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When I was younger, most of the women I hooked up with were much older than I was – mostly because they didn’t play games, and we both wanted the same thing – sex. I had no resources to speak of, other than being horny morning, noon, and night and if they looked attractive to me, I was more than willing to have sex with them whenever their husband or kids were out of the house. The key to that is they had to be attractive to me – if they could get me horny, I was more than willing.
As I got older and gathered resources, ability, and moved up the social ladder, the age of the women I would have sex with dropped – when in grad-school, I may have sex with a woman older one night, and younger the next. Now that I’m pushing 50, none of the women are older (haven’t been for about 15 years), and that “sweet spot” is 18-25. Of course, I have gotten more discriminating with age not only in their looks, but also in how they carry themselves, and how they speak. I have kicked more than a few to the curb because they couldn’t keep from dropping the “f-bomb” in polite conversation. So these days not only is it their appearance, but their demeanor and intelligence. When I was younger my primary prerequisite was I had to find them attractive and they had to be willing to spread their legs. These days, I like to know that I’m not the 100th to bang that snatch.
So, while overall at various points in my life I was less discriminating then I am now, the two areas I have never changed in, is she MUST be attractive to me, and she MUST be worth my time. As a result, I doubt I’ve ever had sex with a woman over 140 lbs., although some of the taller ones may have been close to that. And, when I was younger more than a few of the women I had sex with ended up pregnant – which is probably why they were so eager – of course their husbands all thought it was theirs. I learned then the women just have better PR than men, but when it comes to between the sheets, we have nothing on them. Of course, these days I tend to like the younger ones since they aren’t eager to squeeze one out, and I find them more attractive.
I know that at some point, fairly soon my days of having sex with 18 year olds will come to an end. But to be honest I have yet to see a slow-down. It seems there is no end to young women who want an older man’s approval, and if that means she has to have sex with him to get it, she’s more than willing. So who am I to deny her?
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What’s up Doc.
*fist bump*
I’m younger but I have the same notions with selectivity as you describe.
I want to say it was BradP, (i could be wrong) he talked about this general idea that when men achieve around 50 to 75 sexual partners there is a certain echelon of attitude you exhibit, and selectivity beyond physical attractiveness is one of the characteristics.
Even if she’s a hot piece of ass and you *know* you can nail her, you still reject her because she’s annoying/disrespectful/not fun/boring/stupid/whatever.
Young women love older men. It’s great to be a man and know I’ve got 25+ years left of bang bang bang bang bang…
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I haven’t read all the comments, so if someone else alreay wrote this in, I’m sorry. I think women can and frequently do change their value through fitness and cosmetics. Have you ever seen a woman that you thought was attractive remove her make-up? (A funny example is Jenna Marble’s video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYpwAtnywTk) Similarly, a women who doesn’t seem as attractive in a LTR will frequently improve their appearance (usually by dieting) if their boyfriend/husband improves his status.
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Heh, I remember old posts about how you turned down a deaf chick and a chick with an unspecified handicap.
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For the next ten months, expect to heat a msm drumbeat that thehigh level of unemployment is not a result of poor policies from Obama but are a result of lazy white guys.
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1. Another Epic Post… MSM is anti-male, so they are not going to touch this…
2. Satoshi Kanazawa can canned for telling the truth about the negative perception of beauty of black women coming from other races, but black men had the opposite effect…
SSTTE
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gahhhh…the link that you posted on your Twitter DOES NOT claim that “if you have bad skin it’s mostly due to your genes.” The link actually refers to a study of prenatal folic acid restriction in the agouti mouse, which has a transposable element in the agouti gene that allows the gene’s expression to be controlled epigenetically. So, the article is referring more to the exposures that can alter gene expression than the genes themselves. You may have shitty genes that makes you more susceptible to early aging, but if you take care of yourself (i.e. eating a healthy diet, taking supplements, exercising, using retinoids and useful creams) then you can potentially slow down the aging process a bit. Hopefully in the future, we’ll be able to tailor interventions to best reflect people’s underlying genetic susceptibilities. Please don’t tell people that they’re genetically fucked and there’s nothing that can be done!
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So to sum up this post, alphas don’t bang fatties because they have sufficient 7+ caliber women that they can pull without having to worry about experiencing a dry spell. For the average man vs. the average woman the women is still doing most of the choosing. “Women are the more discriminating sex” or something similar has been said here many times before.
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I tell friends all the time: it’s VERY easy to get laid. Any night I go out there’s at least 1-3 girls that want to fuck me without me even doing anything. It’s just that they’re not hot lol
I reject a lot of girls, especially as I get older, but it’s a lot more subtle a rejection. I just let the convo die and walk off or mention having a girlfriend, whereas an 18-yo turbo hottie will snub you hard or cut you off mid-sentence ice cold style.
When I was younger I didn’t turn much down, a chick could be ditzy or not know how to dress sexy or not be a great lay and it wasn’t a big deal, I just wanted the notches. But now I’ve been around enough to know what’s worth my time.
I’ll still talk to a girl that isn’t worth fucking to keep my game sharp, but now they tend to just know that it’s not going to happen, even if I’m flirty. They used to think they had a chance so I’d end up with these annoying clingy orbiter chicks I wasn’t into and that was frustrating ’cause they’d cockblock me or nag me and shit. But my value has gone up since I was younger and now they just seem to know that there’s no way it could happen. My financial state hasn’t improved any, in fact it’s gotten a lot worse lol But my value isn’t tied to my financial state.
My natural buddy has been with some of the hottest girls I’ve ever seen. He’s also been with some of the ugliest. He just doesn’t care lol but when you see him leave the nightclub one week with a chubby drunk older chick who has 2 kids at home you can’t talk much smack because a week later he’ll be going home with the hottest shooter girl working there.
This all comes back to the “Thrill of the Hunt” VS “Pleasure of Sex” personality types:
http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?2541-Thrill-of-the-Hunt-men-vs-Pleasure-of-Sex-men
A guy who needs regular sex (like my buddy) is much more likely to lower his standards than a guy who cares more about the hunt than the lay (like myself). I’d rather fuck it up with a turbo than wake up beside an uggo lol
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How old are you?
lol?
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Old enough to get into trouble, young enough to get away with it.
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Machiavelli, The Prince – Chapter XVI, Concerning Liberality and Meanness (applied to game, being alpha, etc):
When you are generous with your affection, attention, and time – you are seen as being easy (cheaply-had) and are taken for granted. Beta.
When you are sparing with your affection, attention, and time – you are seen as being difficult (more valuable) and are more sought-after. Alpha skittles dude.
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I have yet to meet a woman who caught the ‘man of their dreams’. The guys they were angling for and the actual guys they settled with were like chalk and cheese.
Guys with choices do the choosing and are not chosen.
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I think it’s one of those “duh” moments – obviously there are Alpha men and women – who are buyers in a perpetual buyers’ markets. Yes there men who are extremely eligible and can sit back with women compete for him and the same for beautiful women in kind. Likewise there are the Betas who are the sellers in the buyers’ market – women who are going to find it very hard to get the attention of Alpha males and Alpha women who wish there was some kind of Beta-repellent spray to stop loser geeks trying to hit onto them. And of course there’s Om3gas no one wants to have sex with but who cares about them?
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Here’s an email exchange I had with 39 year old entitled princess I had on a dating site. Her profile was bitchy and she wrote she is “seriously losing faith in herself and Canadian men” And then mentioned wanting a foreign man:
With that attitude I’m not surprised you’re having problems. At 38, well it’s too late to attract a quality man. You should have sewn that up 10 years ago. It’s likely you have little to offer as a wife. No man wants a woman approaching spinsterhood as a life partner and having your first child at 38 is dangerous.
Sadly, you’re going to have to make do with cats and resign yourself to flings
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Are you insane???
You’re an asshole. No wonder you’re single!!!
What did I ever do to you to attract such mean, spiteful comments
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It’s not mean spirited, it’s the truth. Expecting a quality man to commit to you at this stage in the game is what’s insane.
I haven’t heard back from her yet : (
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dude, she’s tingling for you. truth is the gateway to women’s vaginas.
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Are people now seeking out girls to heckle on these sites? I don’t think I’ve ever set my age filter higher than 32.
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Yea, maybe because you were an asshole. That is the truth AND it was mean-spirited. That lady is in a shitty enough place without you going all ‘Omg, you’ve totally been left out in the sexual marketplace’s musical chairs.’
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I was an asshole, and guess what? I don’t care, it’s funny
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No, it was not funny.
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It was hilarious!
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Frieking hilarsisious.
I once did the same to an ogre on POF. It didn’t appreciate the kindness.
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No, SHE put herself out of the game because instead of a chair like everyone else, she only wanted to sit down on a throne.
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Pointless and beta
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Bitches be so easy to read.
Of course men have choice and Feminists know this despite what they lip. Their top three tells…
1. Anti slut shaming
2. BBW esteem
3. May-December Vitriol
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well since i started internet dating, i literally get 5 to 10 views a day from women, they also email me wanting to go out, some are straight up and just wanna fuck. it depends on the site. why do guys fuck around with facebook when there is the gold mines of never ending pussy on the internet?
like i mean NEVER ENDING FUCKING SUPPLY! from girls all over the world if you want. it is literally a catologue of pussy, which i can choose from, any make or model.
any way to get to the point, heartiste, being the master of wisdom that he is, is bang on with this article. Real made men, A.K.A alpha males do have have quite a bit of choice. almost unlimited choice
. i will be extremely picky because i can.
another thing. since i was 18, my life has been nothing but effort and self improvement on my body fitness my style,my career and my game.
heartiste and a lot of other manosphere blogs are responsible for this young ascending alpha males success.
i thank you from the bottom of my heart. men around the world are being liberated by true, real knowledge.
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C’mon Heartiste, that thing about blue-collar men is false, and you know it. If IQ doesn’t matter, why do black guys have so much trouble getting decent-looking white women?
Most blue-collar guys who tried the whole PUA thing walked away bitter.
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This is silly but I’m lazy.
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black men are banging hot white chicks. Even in the south, where most white girls know their family will disown them for getting banged and where there are very real possibilities of lethal consequences if observed by the right white trash omega, it happens.
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Black guys do *quite* well with white women. White girls love that african blacksnake. What rock have you been residing under?
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Riiiiiiight… according to Talmudvision, that’s ALL hot White chicks are doing these days. 🙄
Schwartzers invariably pull the dreg land whales of White society… what you see in the media is bizarro world.
For every Heidi Klum there are 10K cigstashes… it’s a long-running joke about how jigs and fat ugly White girls are the norm.
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The argument is moot. Both men and women are limited by a number of factors in which mates they can attract, therefore, neither chooses.
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Yeah, women can’t just fuck whoever they want. But in terms of how many and how hot, they on average have way more opportunities than guys. To get to this point for a man, he has to become pretty alpha (the type whose hotness indicators are as obvious as a woman’s physical assets). Then he’ll have approximately as much sexual opportunities as an average chick. He’ll have better relationship prospects though, since hot women would commit to him. And hot men won’t necessarily commit to an average girl. I don’t know if it’s all that bad for a girl, since when a guy is so hot, she might fuck him just to fuck him, not expecting anything else (that’s kinda off topic, but I wonder how many women are happy to just fuck the guy, and how many try to make him commit)
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Very few are happy “just to fuck the guy.”
We should test this hypothesis.
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I agree.
For a girl to get laid by 7 different guys 7 nights in a row, she simply needs to go out every night, smile, and make flirty eye contact until she gets approached. That’s it. No skill involved. Well, I guess the only “skill” would be “not being morbidly obese or grotesquely ugly”.
For a guy to get laid by 7 different girls 7 nights in a row he has to have (a) mad game: more game than any guy I have ever personally met, and (b) seemingly boundless energy, because that would be freaking exhausting.
I’ve seen guys go out 4 nights in a row and bang 4 different chicks, and so I’m sure those guys could go 7 for 7 if they put their mind to it. But, again, it would be an exhausting endeavor, and I still submit that a lot would have to go right in order to go 7 for 7.
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Kid,
Nice post, but when I said “we should test it” I meant me and the redhead. 😉
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As a man somewhere between the higher-beta/lessor-alpha rating, I will say that throughout most of my life, I would take whatever 6 or up was available. Even if something higher was available, i’d take a 7 in the hand over an 8 in the bush. This may suggest that woman have more choice, and through evolved social hierarchy skills, perhaps women have self-selected who gets who of the available men in a given social group according to some pecking order. It seems to have worked out that way, looking back at high school and college and law school social groups. I usually ended up with a 7, maybe a little better, maybe a little worse. Never the hottest girl, never an ugly girl.
But there is one key point that has to be remembered that female choice cannot make up for: if the girl is un-doable, there is nothing that would make her acceptaable to me. There is no length of dry spell that is going to make me want to bang an un-doable girl. So while females may have the last word on who gets who in an assortative mating scenario, its only the do-able girls that get to play. I don’t even want an ugly girl to give me head.
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It’s a lose-lose prospect to put up with an ugly girl with attitude.
If you’re going to cop that, might as well add to your social proof, else you get dragged down AND create an ego the size of a stadium for her …
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Not everyone has the same ideal for beauty. For example, a 6’0 Hispanic male with dark hair and dark eyes might be hot to some women but extremely unattractive to others. Race, age, social class. etc all play a huge role in selecting a mate.
I find it hard to believe that every guy is this shallow. I’m not saying that looks aren’t important but it isn’t everything. Looks fade then what will you be left with?
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