Game has a reputation among ignoramuses as a player’s handbook for picking up sluts in bars and clubs, but of course these willfully stupid haters are wrong. Not only is game universally attractive to all women, like T&A on a woman is attractive to men, but game as a concept and a strategy is critical to maintaining long-term relationship health. Women do not cease being hypergamously attracted to alpha males once they are in relationships, so game can serve as a welcome corrective to keep women “in the fold”.
A reader writes:
This is a paper you might find interesting (and that betas might find depressing). It claims that women in stable relationships are even more attracted to dominant men when ovulating, compared with single women. Suggesting cheating on LTRs is written deep in women’s genes.
Title: Women’s preference for dominant male odour: effects of menstrual cycle and relationship status
Body odour may provide significant cues about a potential sexual partner’s genetic quality, reproductive status and health. In animals, a key trait in a female’s choice of sexual partner is male dominance but, to date, this has not been examined in humans. Here, we show that women in the fertile phase of their cycle prefer body odour of males who score high on a questionnaire-based dominance scale (international personality items pool). In accordance with the theory of mixed mating strategies, this preference varies with relationship status, being much stronger in fertile women in stable relationships than in fertile single women.
The desire of a woman to rut intimately with an aloof alpha male during her week of ovulation is greater when she’s in a stable relationship with a beta male provider than when she’s single. Chew on that for a second. Your beloved is more likely than the single skank in the bar to tingle for the rude intrusions of alpha cock. And all in service to her genes’ directive to saddle a loyal, unwitting provider chump with the job of helping raise a better cockier man’s issue.
Feeling romantic? Hallmark doesn’t make cards for such occasions.
But only you can prevent vagina fires. Gaming your lover, particularly during her time of ovulation, will keep her in a state of heightened arousal and interest, thereby reducing the chance that she’ll act on her genetic predilection to seek the seed of dominant rivals. Game is more important to relationship management than it is to picking up girls because the cost of losing a girlfriend or wife is much greater than the cost of losing a five minute prospect.
This is why we here at Le Chateau focus so much on relationship game compared to other pick-up sites; the benefits accruing to men in relationships from using game are, both individually and from a societal perspective, more profound in some respects than the rewards from being skilled at bedding numerous women. In the sexual arena, there is no worse sin for a woman to commit, and no graver indignity for a man to suffer, than infidelity motivated by ancient biological urges toward cuckoldry. Game can help contain that evil female impulse, and that’s what makes game truly, a gift from god.
In another grievous blow to feminist and manboob doctrine, this study also highlights the attraction that women have for men who demonstrate personality traits of dominance. So we see here yet another Chateau Heartiste concept validated by science: chicks dig dominant jerks, and dominance is primarily a function of attitude.

Heartiste,
I love your blog. I read it everyday and have your site as an app on my iPhone. I tell my career-oriented girlfriends to read it also so I can get get their blood boiling ;0
People in relationships get into the comfort phase and stop doing the things in attraction phase which brought them together in the first place. Of course it will get boring!
Here is another good site on relationship game which I read from time to time: http://www.marriedmansexlife.com/
I am sure you are aware of it.
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Reporter by day… stripper at night: The society writer at conservative newspaper whose job as exotic dancer was outed by rival
dailymail.co.uk
A conservative Houston newspaper is at the centre of scandal after it was revealed one of its reporters has been working overtime – as a stripper.
Sarah Tressler, 29, began writing for the Houston Chronicle’s society pages last April.
But her double life has apparently brought some unwanted attention for the media outlet after a rival newspaper brought her story to light…
Buttoned up: Sarah Tressler advertises herself as an adjunct professor at the University of Houston who holds a master’s degree in journalism from NYU, on LinkedIn…
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The concepts of game can alter the dynamics of ANY relationship. I apply them as I learn at the feet of the Master to every relationship I’m in: parents, children, work, you name it. Relationship Game Works.
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Ain’t that the truth!
I’m reminded of when I was dating my current wife, and our 3rd date was going to an art gallery, when out of the blue, just 30 minutes before our date, she calls me to say that her Mom and sister are in town and insisted on joining us.
I was a little taken aback, and knew that her mother was a divorcee and a well known society lady, and was obviously going to give me the once over. My wife had previously dated some very wealthy guys, and I wasn’t in that category at all.
When I arrived at the gallery, my then girlfriend said:
GF: “I’d like you to meet my Mother and sister”
Her sister was very hot and her mother had the look of a former hottie, who had seen better days, with maybe a hint of plastic surgery – later confirmed true.
Me: (Looking them over for a moment) “Now, which of you girls is which?” (grinning)
Her mother’s eyes narrowed and she gave me a sly smile as she shook hands, and I gave my GF’s sister a little wink as I shook her hand, just to let her in on the joke.
Later the mother tries to grill me on specifics about job/career and such, but I kept deflecting and being very general. Then one of the art goers, a much older guy, asks the mother something or other and she couldn’t make out what he was saying and asked me. So I say:
Me: (hushed tone) “I can’t be sure… but I think he just asked you out!”
GF’s Mom: “What! I wouldn’t date an old codger like that!”
Me: (Laughing)
A few weeks later on my GF would tell me that her mother had said about that evening and me:
“He’s so charming… if things don’t work out between you too, please pass on my number to him”
So Game concepts can and should be employed in most settings…
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“Only you can prevent vagina fires.” Attaboy, Smokey.
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Superb post, perfectly written.
As the evidence *mounts* for what CH correctly calls the “evil female impulse” to cuckold her man, “game” becomes redefined as the unified theory of the true relations between men and women, and, as a result, this uniquely powerful theory becomes the main way to grasp the relations between the sexes, and to understand how these relations extend to social phenomena.
Let’s continue the investigation.
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You realize the power of “game” as an explanatory theory when you consider how a smart guy like Charles Murray can get it so stupidly wrong, simply because he has no understanding of the true nature of the female,her sexual desires, and why she does what she does.
You realize the truth of “game” when you see that it exactly contradicts the lunacy of “feminist” theory at every point.
“Game” is a big deal.–
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The Forest Service approves. But clearly you mean heat directed at other men, not one’s self. clear from context, but still.
Also, the final para seems to not quite capture the info in the study, at least in the summary. body odor is not linked to a dominant attitude directly- but perhaps both are outward markers of high T, or a body chemistry conducive to high T production. Body odor, like kissing, is a way for potential mates to sense biochemical markers (the literal “chemistry” of attraction) signifiying quality.
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High testosterone is also affected by environment, i.e., being put in a high status position.
An interesting study could have women do a sniff test of men before and after injection with high doses of testosterone.
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Take a lot of risks. You’ll come off as dominant and it probably raises your testosterone. You can do whatever you want as long as you have balls when you do it and you are the man.
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Dominate, inseminate, recreate.
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vidi, vici, veni. 🙂
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LOL! Not sure if veni had that meaning in Latin, but well done nonetheless.
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my senior year, my college team picked that line as the season’s motto. no one got it. a few know-it-alls tried to tell us how we got it wrong.
great line. haven’t thought of it in years.
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That’s why I love banging cheating girlfriends and wives. They’re hornier, and this evil horniness triggers my sadistic impulse to punish them, through nothing more than a rock hard erect cock.
Homo sapiens is a dead end.
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1. Single chicks don’t like cock, that’s why they’re single. Attached chicks like cock, that’s why they’re attached.
2. Chicks who like cock are more likely to cheat than chicks who don’t like cock.
3. Ergo, easy slut test:
Ask a girl you’re banging, “Will you be my girl friend / wife?” If she says yes, shout, “Whore!”, and dump her on the spot. Don’t return her texts/calls.
That’ll really fuck with her the next time some chump asks the same question.
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While oversimplified (perhaps intentionally) this comment does have some validity. I have noticed that girls in relationships tend to be more amenable to same night lays. The vast majority of the time they didn’t mention they were in relationships – I found out later, often to their dismay.
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Yep, and this is a contradiction.
I advocate for the “abundance mindset” that tells you there are lots of single girls that are there to fuck you, so you shouldn’t settle for taken girls.
But it’s easy to solve that contradiction:
1) Taken girls -> SNL, ONS, FB material
2) Single girls -> SNL, ONS, FB, LTR, Wife material
Just an extension of markets.
I love game
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it’s because they rationalize it as part of a fantasy, a reality separate from the one in which they’re in a relationship. thus, it’s not cheating.
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Do you think that this would partially explain married womens prediliction for having flings with men who are considered to be their inferiors’? I’m thinking Lady Chatterlys Lover, Roman wives sleeping with the best gladiators, and other cliches like modern women sleeping with the gardner/poolboy/handyman/plumber etc.
This paper partially explores my basic iew on women and how they relate to men:
‘Fuck a Nigger,
marry a Jew,
is all that women,
want to do.’
A Jew being a wealthy cash/resource provider without the burden of demanding sex (thus giving the woman control over it. He is also physically weak, thus is less likely to cause her physical harm. The Nigger is a brute, a hardman, a thug, who can provide the woman with hard sex when she needs/wants it. But he is dumb, so she will not be threatened by him, because she could outwit him. Keeping these two character types in two separate bodies also means that the woman has control over the relationships, and thus the men. If she wants to pit one of the men against the other, say if one of them was becoming a threat to her, then she could do so. For example the Thug could pysically assault the Beta, or the Beta could cause other problems for the Thug.
I dont know if Ive explained it clearly enough, but there it is.
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Heh, you need to find a better class of women… or stop cadging couplets from Jewesses’ blogs.
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I think this is one reason white guys seem to be better at doing both — be alpha and the type they want to marry — if they bother to learn. Perhaps this is the source of the hate directed at white guys: envy.
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That seems to be the case. Seeing as white men have both highly creative capacities, both physical (think Heartistes recent post on the sperm count of Finnish men), and mental (on the whole white men have higher IQs, excluding the East Asians ofcourse).
As for the envy, Joe Sobran wrote an piece on the envy of the third world nations:
The concept of envy – the hatred of the superior – has dropped out of our moral vocabulary… The idea that white Christian civilization is hated more for its virtues than its sins doesn’t occur to us, because it’s not a nice idea… Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of Western power long after colonialism, imperialism, and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation. The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. And, superiority excites envy. Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call minorities. Joseph Sobran, April 1997
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Quit watching cuckold fetishist porn.
Cads and dads are more relevant than niggers and jews. Race and ethnicity don’t really matter for the point you’re trying to make.
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It wasnt meant so much as a racial slur, simply a rhyme thats based stereotypes: black men are less likely to get married than Jewish men; and Jewish men are more likely to be high earners than black men. It was only meant as a rhyme; If Id have thought of alternatives to Jew or Nigger, then I probably would have used them.
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Disqualify ALL White women who screw Negros. It’s the number-one indicator of daddy issues, next to striping, of course.
An aside:
Before Mein Obama was elected, I read that White female porntresses, whose vaginas played host to purple cocks, would dramatically diminish their earning power.
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You’re right for the most part.
The only part I’m having trouble with is
“The Nigger is a brute, a hardman, a thug, who can provide the woman with hard sex when she needs/wants it. But he is dumb, so she will not be threatened by him, because she could outwit him. ”
If a woman is carrying on a secret relationship with one of these brutes are you not being outwitted yourself? The beta provider’s(jew in this scenario) whole purpose is to be outwit into raising someone else’s spawn.
On that premise your whole passage falls apart and reveals you to be somewhat of an idiot.
Think about it…
Nature cares nothing about your idea of Thug vs. Gentleman, Nigga vs. Jew. You still speak as a person entrapped in an ideological camp rather than a person who accepts nature for what it is.
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I’m going through a horrible case of oneitis post break up. I’ve hit a dry spell for the fucking ages. Confidence is in the fucking gutter and i’m trying to repair the damage one approach at a time. This site showed me the errors of my ways. Your post on oneitis and the one where you talk about dodging two marriage proposals was totally surreal.
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Yeah, it should hit close to home for any guy that has experience with women. I landed upon this site awhile back while going through a one-itis stage.
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Yea – his post entitled Beta Valentine is pretty damn good too.
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Same exact story here friend, welcome to the club (and your new life).
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Same here. It appears that one way to become an alpha — perhaps the best way — is to go through a really BAD case of one-itis. I’m rising up out of the hole right now as we speak.
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Ditto…Game=survival skills to combat what feminism has damaged. Game has turned this post beta into bastard, albeit now calibrating down. Results bear [game] it out.
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I suggest in addition to reading the archives of our esteemed host, you listen to Tom Leykis http://www.leykisonline.com/recordings/ most specifically the Leykis 101 recordings.
To paraphrase him speaking to someone doing just this: “You care about this relationship because you have no game. You got a nice piece of ass, and you wanted to keep it, so you changed your ways. You don’t think you can do any better, or get any better, so you try to hold on to her. When you realize that each piece of ass is the same, you’ll stop having feelings for her. If she’s gone, it doesn’t matter, because there are 10 out there that could replace her tonight. The reason you feel like this is because you do not understand how men and women really interact.”
To get over your oneitits, its simple. Stop putting the pussy on a pedestal. Never do it again. Work on your inner self for a while with the usual, gym, work, friends, a few hobbies, and the next time you see a woman, don’t think about a relationship. Just think about getting ass. You won’t have any oneitis ever again.
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God damn that is the truth.
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Welcome….to the real world
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Yes, dominance is a projection of attitude, but its also a traits of *proximity*. You actually have to have the opportunity to talk to a woman in the first place in order to display your dominance.
The elites, of course, control our access to women. They’ve been cutting more and more men out of the pie by getting as many women into college as possible, while ensuring that as many men as possible flunk out. Expect more laws and provisions in the future to designed to prevent non-rich men from interacting with women, such as woman-only public venues(this is already starting) and woman-only colleges and secondary education.
So while yes, I agree, Game is important, on the other hand I can’t help but laugh whenever any PUA rails about how Game is the secret. The secret in the future is to have Game while also being incredibly successful in life.
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“You actually have to have the opportunity to talk to a woman in the first place in order to display your dominance.”
Untrue. Sexually mature females of all types will react predictably to a display of dominance regardless if it is directed at her nor not. Which is why so many dudes get laid after rock concerts: the dominance displays of the band have excited every female in the audience, and lacking the attention of the dominant Alpha, women will sexually appeal to the next-best-thing — your sorry non-guitar-playing ass.
Subtextual cues are essential for this. And there is a secondary Preselection buff you get from doing a public dominance display. I cover it in my blog here: http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2012/03/alpha-move-be-arm-candy.html
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“The elites, of course, control our access to women. They’ve been cutting more and more men out of the pie by getting as many women into college as possible, while ensuring that as many men as possible flunk out.”
Huh? If you are getting rejected by “smart” educated women, that’s good. They want commitment, and you should only want sex. If they’re rejecting you all you have to do is drop your age requirements. Shouldn’t be hard for any man who is employed [even hourly] and can dress halfway decently.
The education gap is a social problem, not a sexual one. Its not hard to clean yourself up and hit the college hot spots to find lady for the night.
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Is this really an education gap or a debt gap? The vast majority of women who attend college get “educated” in useless subjects. The only way they can make any money out of such junk is themselves to teach it—become professors, that is. We are being told that college debt has risen to over $1 trillion and that most college students are women. So, it seems to me that most DEBTORS of student loans are women. So yes, there is a gap, a debt gap. And student loans cannot be forgiven. Another reason for these “educated” women to hook up with beta males.
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That’s a very, very good point.
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Unless they prevent women from going to gyms and clubs, places where the natural alpha’s rule. The ideological scenario you’re insinuating is very unlikely.
Hypothetically speaking even if the situation you imply does happen women will just find a way to get alpha dick anyway. Sex Tourism in Jamaica is fairly common and proof of this.
You seem to think that reproductive rights are purchased by adhering to a particular set of rules. The memes in your passage (college=sure “success”) are evidence of this.
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“The elites” are individuals; not some monolithic borg. There are definitely strains of thought within “elite culture” designed to cut off woman access for the less wealthy; jailing guys for nonsense (nonsense being pretty much anything), zoning regs keeping neighborhoods free of undesirables; immigration laws; credentialism etc., etc.
But at the same time, this only increases the exoticness of proles; making promoting them and their lifestyles a way for elite guy A to make a buck of elite guy B etc. So the whole scheme is rather self limiting.
The people who lose out, rather than the “elites” and the “proles”, are those in the middle; who try to lead lives according to the moral dictates that the elite pretends to adhere to. Which is why the Western dystopias are collapsing all around us as we speak; since it is the guys in the middle that are the essential ingredient in a prosperous society.
Given the above, “saving” the West requires rebalancing the spoils, so that those in the middle are not being screwed out of any motivation to do what is needed to rebuild the West. Which really only entails making sure they understand this; as they are already the ones who produce stuff; and all that is required, is for them to quit handing it over to parasites above buying the loyalty of those below with spoils robbed from those in the middle.
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Game’s reputation is not just due to willful stupidity. Neil Strauss’ book features a whole lots of clubs, and a surprising number of strippers. He talks about developing a cynical attitude towards women, and shifting his focus towards short-term relationships and a rotation of women. And then when he finally settles down, it’s with a woman that game apparently doesn’t work on.
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Except that woman eventually dumps him for a rockstar.
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Hahah! I didn’t know that.
Still, being a rock star isn’t the same as using game.
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Rock star don’t need game.
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Hypergamy at work as usual.
Speaking of hypergamy, here’s something of interest:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12664964
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Style and mystery are undoubtedly expert puas, but they both go through beta relapses during their LTRs. In other words, they don’t know jack shit about female nature.
I would be following their path if I didn’t google “pua for ltr” one day and magically find myself at the front gate of the chateau.
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I guarantee the woman he settled down with loves to be gamed. He just wasn’t able to either : a) hit the right attraction triggers early on or b) he broke out beta provider game without realizing that’s what he was doing.
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Quite possibly. I’m just talking about how Strauss himself portrays the whole scene.
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With all due respect to game; Rockstartdom is on a whole different plane altogether.
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I’ve always suspected he wrote a chick-flick ending to that book on purpose.
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So we see here yet another Chateau Heartiste concept validated by science: chicks dig dominant jerks, and dominance is primarily a function of attitude.
I wonder if we have a cabal of uber-alpha social biologists producing such studies and banging all the chicks in their universities. Because those studies are published and immediatelly throw in the Index Librorum Prohibitorum. Only here we know anything about them
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The study suggests women are attracted to alpha “body odour”. That makes it sound as if alpha is hard to fake, making this a point for the anti-game crowd rather than the game crowd.
More importantly, why has nobody yet successfully bottled this body odor?
[heartiste: a man’s body odor changes with his social status. this has been documented.]
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Are we certain this is just not because the man is getting older?
[heartiste: yes. male hormones rise and fall with changes in self-perceived status. game will raise a man’s status (by making him more attractive to women and/or by eliciting positive reactions from women) and thus his hormonal profile and smell will shift.]
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AKA confidence makes you smell better with women…
Cool.
[heartiste: i’m of course being a little bit glib here. smell isn’t the only thing women respond to, nor even a very important factor. yes, a man’s T levels fluctuate with status changes (the notorious example is businessmen whose T goes up after a huge deal), but game hits attraction triggers in women that exist irrespective of a man’s odor. this study focused on smell as a proxy for those attraction triggers, but the dominance itself was established by a personality questionnaire identifying those men who had the traits of dominant men — i.e., they answered questions that indicated a suite of personality traits that are typically associated with dominance.]
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For those of us who want a little help here, a good men’s fragrance will help. Women respond far more to scents than men do, and one of the ways to sharpen your dating edge is to use a good fragrance. Here is an article on how to buy and use male fragrances: http://www.whatmakesaman.net/wordpress/2011/12/05/mens-fragrances-how-to-choose-them/
A good fragrance with masculine components (like Musk) will support your natural hormonal smell.
One trick I have used in both of my LTRs was to carry a small bottle of my preferred fragrance in my work satchel. Twenty minutes before I returned home from work i would put it on. I would open the door of the house, grab my partner without speaking and start pulling her clothes off. They always said “God, you smell good” and most times we would have sex on the nearest piece of furniture.
I only did this intermittently but it put lots of credit in the Alpha bank. My first LTR told her girlfriends about it and there were gina tingles all round.
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I have a question for the men here. Most men truly love to be taken care of by their women, right (cooking, cleaning, doted on, etc.)? Do you find that the more dominate the man, the more the woman in his life enjoys/is willing to take care of him? Also, does this type of man tend to settle into a relationship with a woman who is more naturally prone to this or is she more naturally prone to this because of the dominance of the man? (Or a mixture of both?)
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Mixture of both, I guess.
Masculine high-T careerist women cannot be tamed. I was never able to tame one. Yes, they can be sweeter and more loving if they are gamed right, but they will never become a doting adoring cooking and cleaning wife.
And the more masculine I become, the more I tend to avoid masculine women.
Like most guys in here, I prefer the feminine shy sweet types for long term relationships. But these girls have to be dominated even more imperatively. Even if they appear harmless, they are not more forgiving of beta behavior. They can be more impatient, and rebel or cheat quickly after a beta relapse.
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The very feminine “virtue” of unlimited capacity for rationalization, seems to increase with femininity.
In addition, the more feminine the woman, the more submissive she tends to be, making it easier for alphas to dominate her into compromising situations where she is more vulnerable. And then she will rationalize what follows, of course…..
Seriously, for a civilization to remain one; it’s men need to realize that women’s unchaperoned contact with other men must be minimized. For all their supposed backwardness, this is one thing the Salafis do get right (even if they, like they do in many other areas, may sometime take it to counterproductively ridiculous extremes.)
Civilization did not develop in the context of brides being handed from father to husband simply out of chance. And, as the massively expansionist trend Salafism is on shows, women staying at home making as many soldiers of the future as they can; while the men are, by any and all means necessary, cutting down anyone making the slightest attempt at dominating them in any sphere; is still the best available path for preserving ones own culture. The pathetic amalgam of haphazard idiocies that passes for contemporary “culture” in our Western dystopias, is so completely outgunned by this approach, it is not even funny.
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Heartiste, this is absolutely key, and all of you PAY FUCKING ATTENTION:
Single Game is great for forging the beginnings of a sexual relationship, but it is the (forgive me) immature form of Game. I say that not as a slam, but as a recognition that Relationship or Married Game requires a more extensive and more sophisticated understanding of the phenomenon. After all, you are not merely hitting a woman’s attraction triggers enough to get her into bed on the basis of infatuation — you must know how to continuously and constant engage a mixture of Alpha and Beta presentations in order to effectively manage her psycho-social welfare and the state of your relationship.
Even mentioning Beta will get you teased in some blogs, but when it comes to Relationship Game the full-on Alpha presentation will eventually chase away all but the truly batshit crazy. Affecting a Beta presentation, backed with a full set of Beta tools, in proper and appropriate situations, is absolutely essential in Married or Relationship Game, and any dude who can’t bring himself to face that should just content himself with being the Old Dude at the Club.
But Beta alone will not get you through. Nor will Alpha. It is the combination of providing dopamine-inspired Attraction with an effective Alpha presentation, while simultaneously providing her enough oxytocin-inspired Comfort & Security. Fuck up either one, and it’s divorce court 90% of the time. No, really.
That’s why Married Game is the more mature — but not more important — aspect of Game. It takes personal maturity and a good quantity of the masculine powers of Ordering, Leading, and Sophistication to work, but when it does . . .
. . . let’s just say that there are rewards implicit in a successful, high-sex marriage that cannot be gained from a series of casual encounters. If you choose to become a Wolf Alpha, as opposed to a Bear Alpha, then you will realize these. But it’s a lot harder and takes more work and perseverance than learning Single Game.
But both are vital and necessary parts of the Manosphere’s ecosystem: with the Puerarchy of horny-young-dudes gaming the hell out of women, there exists a compelling reason for the intelligent, marriage minded-female to cling steadfastly to her sexually-exciting and security-providing mate as her girlfriends fall to a succession of crappy relationships and pump-and-dump carousel rides. Further, the Puerarchy keeps the Wolf Alphas honest and alert by providing tempting lures for the shallow wives out there. While I do not advocate anyone violating someone else’s sacred marriage vow, the temptation alone should be sufficient to convince the wise to perfect their Married Game. And as was mentioned earlier, no one does Married Game better than Athol Kay.
But thanks for the post, Heartiste. When you fellas are ready to pick your wives, then it will be time to upgrade your Game to the Married version.
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That’s all fine and well, except there is no reason to get married in this era.
The only caveat would be if you are religious, and want to raise children in a complete home [and even then, divorce rates are only slightly lower than the general population, so you still take a big chance.]
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Getting married is a requirement if your woman is from another country. I met my woman while living abroad, and when I was ready to come back to the States, I brought her with me. That was 13 years ago. We got a prenup, even though neither of us had a pot to piss in at the time.
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That’s how my last LTR relationship ended, she wanted that ring. She could never quite understand that you don’t need to be married anymore. After getting tired of her hints, I understood that I didn’t even want to be with her anymore. Next…
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The natural habitat of an alpha successful man is in a harem, not a fucking old-school feminazi rotten institution.
And the natural habitat of women is in that guy’s harem. The whole alpha push-pull aloof stuff is just an ersatz of a dominant man who juggles between multiple female partners. I wonder why that is catnip for women.
There is no reason to get married, except in order to have kids. But it is a sacrifice, a huge sacrifice for a man with options.
You’re trying to present marriage as a grandiose thing that matches our biological impulses. It is not.
An alpha who gets married loses a lot. A woman married to an alpha gains a lot more than what she deserves. Spot the imbalance.
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Women will actively go after a woman’s alpha husband, something they won’t do with a beta. I really don’t see much of a downside of marrying a beta. It’s an even trade.
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Bullshit.
The natural habitat of an alpha successful man is WHEREVER THE HELL HE WANTS IT TO BE.
It’s a mistake to assume that the only “proper” place for an Alpha is with a harem. There are plenty of Alphas who decide, as a conscious choice, to wed and stay faithful, and the news flash is that they are not betraying their Alphahood by doing so. Nor does the Alpha “lose” anything but fresh pussy.
And you know what? Fresh pussy is often far more trouble than it’s worth. Now you can call that a “beta move”, but considering a true Wolf Alpha knows that risking what he holds for the prospect of new pussy is the dumb-ass, wildly insecure move of the Bull Alpha, not the calculating, rational and foresightful move of a Wolf Alpha, he avoids such foolishness.
Now, I agree about marriage and children — it goes without saying that a Wolf Alpha’s drive is to reproduce, but that goes far beyond random insemination. Mrs. Ironwood and I got married specifically to create the best possible environment to grow three new human beings to prosperous maturity, and our entire marriage is based around that concept. It was a conscious and well-thought out decision after a number of years of careful observation, discussion, and negotiation. It was NOT the capitulation to feminist whim. And having made the decision to commit to this course of action, I followed through. Not having fresh pussy hasn’t made me suffer, I assure you.
And as far as what an Alpha loses and marriage and what a woman gains, consider that an Alpha who secures his commitment to a properly vetted and approved woman gains a lot that you aren’t taking into account. Such as fidelity, assurance that his children are his and no other man’s, and emotional and sexual security.
Be careful with broad, sweeping statements about what Alphas “should be”. There are a lot of Alpha men who have chosen marriage and family very specifically, and resent the idea that masculinity begins and ends as one long promiscuous bang-a-thon. We understand why you might think that, but the fact is that masculinity is a far more complex and sophisticated thing than that, particularly in this century.
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Marriage has been around for much longer than the feminazis. Cads, like feminists, are a blight on society.
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My problem with this point (and I agree with it) is that it pretty much makes a successful marriage all fall on the hands of a guy who has to work hard every second like a fighter pilot balancing Beta accessibility/dependability with Alpha attraction.
That’s a non-starter for most men. Most men cannot be fighter pilots, much less fighter pilots every single second of the relationship. Or even every single day. Modern life makes too many demands.
Moreover, as knowledge that it is all up to the man (to build both attraction and comfort) most men will simply “opt out” for well, being the old guy in the club. Or a porn collection. Or what have you. They won’t care about women or kids. This makes the future a better bet for a dystopian nightmare, bad news for those who want to live there. Basically only the top economic Master of the Universe Alphas will marry, everyone else will resemble either Otaku or Rap-style thugs.
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Or if you have to fight so hard, why not be rewarded with sexy girls instead of a battle-hardened battle axe?
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That’s the whiniest shit I’ve ever heard.
Guess what? Masculinity is an art. And it’s an art you have to master if you want to have a successful marriage, which is another kind of art altogether. Part of mastering the art of masculinity is not pussying out when something appears to be “too hard”.
Remember when you first tackled a challenging subject or skillset? The end-point — proficiency and eventual mastery — seemed remote at first, until the fundamentals were understood and sufficient practice made them seem routine. The same holds true for balancing Alpha and Beta in a LTR. It’s hard at first, but it becomes second nature when you do it for a while. Soon it’s as automatic as breathing.
But claiming that most men can’t handle it is defeatist bullshit. “Modern life makes too many demands” is just a rationalization why they won’t put in the work for a quality woman. And while I understand that those are few and far between, when they do cross your path and you have the possibility of forging a strong, mutually prosperous LTR, are you going to walk away because figuring out how to manage your relationship is “too hard”? That’s pure Beta.
Sure, you don’t kill yourself for some wisp of silk and fluff who’s destined for dumpage, but when you have a shot at a real possibility, talking yourself out of it is just stupid. Challenge yourself. Men managed their relationships for centuries before you came along, and they did it with far more challenges than you face. Do your ancestors a solid and be willing to rise to the challenge, regardless of whether you wish to wed or not.
I also find your vision of the future needlessly pessimistic. I admire and respect those MGTOW who have turned their back on the institution and pursued their own destinies. But there’s a difference between making a conscious decision not to entwine your fate with a woman permanently and giving up in disgust on the idea of reproduction within a two-parent household because it’s “too hard”. After a generation of feminist women not reproducing (or abysmally botching the raising of their children) then the feminist ideal that makes marriage so unrewarding and unpalatable by a reasonable man will die out. It already is. In recent surveys, over 70% of the young women graduating college consistently place family higher than career goals . . . and they are increasingly NOT identifying as feminist.
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I agree whiskey. It’s just another form of dancing like a clown 24/7 while the bitch sits there eating bon bons and evaluating whether your performance is good enough for her that day or not.
And what’s your reward for navigating the ridiculously unpredictable waters of alpha/beta game in an LTR? Being chained to a rapidly depreciating asset, who, no matter how good she once was, is losing value by the day while you continue to gain value.
Marriage is for chumps plain and simple. It is just not worth it under any scenario, unless you absolutely MUST have kids, and are able to get an iron-clad prenup.
Put all that same effort you would spend gaming your wife, into building a career and banging hot girls, and you will end up with an empire at the end of it all, instead of a dried up, unappreciative 50-something anchor around your neck.
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And no one to drive your ass to the oncologist 4 times a week, call your mother when you keel over at work and keep her from freaking the fuck out, or any other of the number of things a good wife can do for you. Mine has yet to eat bon bons. And her assets, while depreciating, have gained in skill and endurance with time to a point no younger woman can handle.
Go ahead, play the Bull Alpha Game, and enjoy it. But don’t think that marriage is for chumps. Marriage is for Wolf Alphas who actually want to leave something important of themselves behind when they die, not just an estate the government will take because you have no heirs. The thing is, I’ve been the Bull Alpha, and it’s actually a hell of a lot more work for less pay-out than being a Wolf Alpha. But you go ahead and enjoy yourself. You’ll figure that out eventually.
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A man who is up for this kind of challenge is very attractive. Years are only days put together, afterall.
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Wasn’t there a post with a similar direction a while back, the dick sandwich. I’ve met girls who’ve dated me briefly, and either “oh I have a bf, we briefly broke up and we’re getting back together,” or “I’ve had a bf but I just broke up with him, so now we can date.” So basically, the girl was trying on new dicks while dating a guy.
Common themes being usually the sexy time is limited to BJ’s and they can’t spend the night. So basically, the girls are pretending to be out on girls night. And their bitch-whore friends knew they were hooking up with me while they were still dating the bf.
What this means is beware the girls-night out. They’re on a date with me (or actually one of the PUA’s who write this blog).
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This is why I am a Dom.
women just need a good Dom.
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More evidence AGAINST being in a relationship.
Tell me, what’s the point of being in a relationship anyways? Especially if you’re a man with some degree of alpha credo and can score new girls relatively easy.
Even if you are alpha, when a girlfriend is ovulating there’s still the chance she meets the *more* alpha or the celebrity type.
So whats the point? I’ve noticed that sex with a pretty girl usually peaks in quality 3rd or 4th time having sex anyways.
Couple that with the neo-feminist desire for every female to “rein that alpha male” into a relationship, and you’re entering a relationship that’s already starting to get boring.
At this point, relationships become a pissing contest. Boy competes with girl over who is the more alpha of their gender, and essentially whoever cares the least has the most power. It’s almost CLICHED now.
whiskeysplace makes a solid point which I believe applies to even alphas too.
Name a SINGLE reason for a playboy to enter a relationship. A single one. 100% free female choice, which is the way our society is headed, dictates that they shouldn’t be in relationships.
Sorry ladies. It’s your own fault.
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There are plenty of men who don’t have what it takes to be playboys. Women should marry them.
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Single reason:White children.
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Good answer.
I may have to promote you out of the fields and into the house.
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“I’ve noticed that sex with a pretty girl usually peaks in quality 3rd or 4th time having sex anyways.”
But it picks up in a big way about the 100th time. And after that, it can be far more exquisite than yet-another-vapid-pump-and-dump.
In general, the only valid reason for marriage is procreation and raising children. If you aren’t into that, then sure, keep the pussy parade going as long as possible. But remember that there is more than one kind of Alpha. Maturity brings perspective.
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Numerous studies show that married men are far healthier and have longer lifespans than those who remain single. Researchers also argue that cohabiting men in long-term relationships (ie. everything but the marriage certificate) also enjoy a number of physical and mental health benefits.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Mens_Health_Watch/2010/July/marriage-and-mens-health
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Another prime example of why women should not be allowed to vote.
She didn’t even read the study.
“A major survey of 127,545 American adults found that married men are healthier than men who were never married or whose marriages ended in divorce or widowhood”
Factor in the 50% of marriages that end in divorce. The study is worthless without taking that into account.
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Yes I did. I took it for granted that any idiot would realize that a bad marriage ending in divorce would not provide a health boost. However, given the fact that longevity gains provided by successful relationships are so well-documented, there is a good reason to work hard to establish a healthy marriage. Yes, this means finding the right female, which I admit in today’s society is not easy.
Cyrus asked for ONE reason that any man would consider getting in a relationship and I provided one.
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i don’t buy that unhealthy men are more likely to marry and stay married….it seems like a complete contradiction to the findng of the studies….
Are women more likey to want to marry:
a man that appears physically fit, good looking/symmetrical, financially secure etc, disciplined and intelligent etc?
is a man that marries more likely to be stable and value security?
and so be more likely to have health insurance/visit a doctor, more likely to eat healthily, less likely to have been the victim of phyical violence, gunshot/stabwound, motorvehicle collision, abuse alcohol/drugs, been in prison etc
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Also take a look at the never married group.
How many of these men are chronically ill, have hereditary illness/deformities, living in poverty, morbidly obese, blind, paraplegic, mentally subnormal, schizophrenic, depressed, drug addicted, criminally insane or in some other way afflicted in a way that would make them less likely to be healhy and less likely to be married?
the study should show more conclusively that being married is what caused the men to be healthier, as opposed to being more likely to be married/LTR BECAUSE they are healthy.
Also how many of these healthier married men eventually ended up in the other group…..a follow up needs to be done!
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“Game has a reputation among ignoramuses as a player’s handbook for picking up sluts in bars and clubs, but of course these willfully stupid haters are wrong.”
In the long, long ago time I kind of shared this opinion. I can’t help but wonder if a major factor contributing to this opinion is all in the nomenclature – GAME. If GAME were called something else, like maybe SKILLS, these willfully stupid haters might better understand what its all about.
[heartiste: agreed. i’ve tried to go down that route, but it didn’t stick. game is essentially learned charisma. calling it that would presumptively deflect a lot of anti-gamer headlong stupidity.]
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Heartiste,
So true. Many white kniters and anti-gamers take knee-jerk point of view, “This isn’t a GAME, this is serious business,” or “I don’t play GAMES with my love life.” Funny thing that is, we’re all here because we take game concepts seriously. Game can basically be defined as that which works to get women. Therefore, game works by definition. The only debate can be about what actually works.
If it were called “GENDER RELATION SKILLS FOR MEN,” the knee-jerk would not exist and so many more would be receptive to the same concepts under a different name. Oh well, their loss!
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People ask me why I don’t want a girlfriend, and I tell them shit like this and they scoff. I guess I’m way too paranoid/high anxiety to ever be in a LTR, especially with studies/info like this coming out. I guess short flings are all that I’ll ever know. Whatever joy it brings isn’t worth the possible humiliation and betrayal this would unlesh
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Right as usual, but I still can’t help but feel as though you’re advice has an air of “with 3 easy steps, even you can do it!” like a late night infomercial for some shoddy, plastic P.O.S. workout device. I’m not sure if I’m just seeing something that ain’t there, or if you’re trying to gloss over a very dystopian, depressing trend with a bit of “self-help book” flavored irony over your writing. I’ve only just begun to read your works , so maybe I’m not used to your style.
As you’ve mentioned before via a linked article, only 40% of men successfully reproduced while 80% of women did in genetic human history. We’re reverting back to those tribal proportions, which means that no matter how much all us Betas learn the facets of Game, natural equilibrium of human instinct will place us back in those proportions anyways.
As Whiskey said, most men will not be able to balance Alpha attraction with Beta Stability, either resulting in those opting out or losing out. Game is not going to save marriage, because married men aren’t going to learn game. That’s likely why they got married in the first place.
We have two options for our future. Continue down the fall, while Alphas and Game-educated Beta’s enjoy the vaginal insertion roller coaster, or bring back what had worked since the basis of human civilization was developed in the first place.
I shouldn’t have to constantly woo my wife just so she won’t sleep with next man she sees who has a nicer haircut than I do. She shouldn’t sleep with him because we need to bring back a society in which she would become ostracized and destitute for such an act. (instead of, you know, “women’s pick” divorce and the joys of cougardom)
I might as well opt-out of traditional education for my boys. Instead of Science and literature (which will be useless when the West looks like the Congo), I should just teach how to be a ruthless murderer, an asshole, and misogynistic. That be great preparation for a sexually successful life in America 2035.
[heartiste: you won’t have to constantly woo your wife. game, or learned charisma, within a relationship is a less intense version of pick up game, with a few added angles to suit LTR management exclusively. as long as you have some state control and an ability to tease when the mood strikes, you can afford to get a little beta with your wife. the margin for error within an LTR is greater than the margin for error during the first few weeks of dating. Simply put, once a woman has invested into an LTR with you, she won’t quickly throw it away (which is why women so desperately try to hide their infidelities). she wants to see more beta provider signals and will tolerate a small dose of sappiness, something you won’t get from women who are still feeling you out for your alpha cred.]
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“most men will not be able to balance Alpha attraction with Beta Stability, either resulting in those opting out or losing out. Game is not going to save marriage, because married men aren’t going to learn game. That’s likely why they got married in the first place.”
Actually, it’s not that fucking hard. Game DOES save marriages — just hit Married Man Sex Life, and see what happens when you game a wife. Married Game is an art, but it’s not rocket science. And it’s not just “injecting a little beta”, either, it’s a sophisticated blending of Alpha and Beta presentations and skillsets. And learning it is about as hard as mastering the intricacies of Texas Hold’em enough to play on-line.
Y’all aren’t understanding why this is important, I can see. It’s why Athol Kay deserves so much credit for refining Game techniques into Married Game. If your wife is sexually satisfied and sufficiently intrigued with your Married Game, then you will effectively Alpha-proof her and ensure a long and lusty marriage.
“I shouldn’t have to constantly woo my wife just so she won’t sleep with next man she sees who has a nicer haircut than I do.”
And you won’t . . . you’ll constantly woo your wife because that’s how you get her to put out like a fiend and laugh at the guy with the good hair. And what law says that you shouldn’t have to constantly woo your wife? Do you feel “entitled” to her affections and her eager participation if you haven’t earned it in her eyes?
I’m not going to argue that a LTR isn’t hard work. But it’s not impossible — it’s not even that hard, if you understand what you are doing.
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CH:
So what’s the best bet with LTR? Do a huge set of squats and hit on girls right before the girl ovulates, tease her like mad the day before, then screw her hard the second I get home?
[heartiste: couldn’t hurt.]
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Be a Skittles man!
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Uhm I think recent events have changed the meaning of that term a bit!
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It has. Funny. Add an iced tea to that.
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You mean
“skittles boy“
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I agree with the men on here who say you shouldn’t have to constantly game your wife to keep her faithful. She took a vow of fidelity and should stick to it. That being say, too much beta behavior puts me in a bitchy mood. When my husband is more alpha I am nicer to be around. So that could be one reason to put effort into it.
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Hypergamy doesn’t care about your marriage vows.
Hypergamy doesn’t care about your piety and religion.
Hypergamy doesn’t care about how much effort you put into the relationship.
Hypergamy doesn’t care about how far you moved to be with her.
Hypergamy doesn’t care about the sacrifices you made to accommodate her.
Hypergamy doesn’t care how great a father you are to your kids.
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Reminded me of the Alec Baldwin cameo in Glengarry Glen Ross:
“Good father? FUCK YOU! Go home and play with your kids.”
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Have you ever heard of the Folsom Method? Better than young girls (whose hypergamy simply hasn’t yet been activated) are small town girls 🙂
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No it doesn’t.
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Rollo has it right.
The way to keep a girl loyal is not to remind her of her vows, or hide behind scripture (which will eventually accelerate her departure)
The way to keep a girl loyal is to keep hitting the attraction switches.
and frankly, sometimes, even that isn’t enough for them to stay off the carousel.
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And Hypergamy doesn’t come into play if your woman is properly laid and distracted by her relationship with you.
You’re right, Rollo, vows, piety, religion, and Betatude don’t fight hypergamy. A strong, regular dose of Alpha cock, followed with proper and appropriate Beta skillsets will go much, much further to cheat-proof your marriage.
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ftw
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It’s the *pitilessness* of such realities that men detest; but women thrive in this harshness, because they are so close to the animal source.–
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Spot on.
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My dad and his brother were some of the first hippies in west Tampa. Years later he became a Christian, but still retained some of his alpha-highnesses. Other than the stories recounting some of the chicks he banged before he became a Christian and married and all that, he told me about a female boss he had in the early 80s who thought she was the queen and all that. Well she was hot and one day to show her that he was still a man and not her puppy, he took her over his knee and spanked her in front of the entire company. He was already married by then. My mom’s first memories of him were of him and his brother throwing rocks at her and her sisters. They were all foxes in their prime.
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the guys who say ‘we shouldn’t have to do this’ are the ones who get raped in divorce court waiting for social change that probably won’t occur in their lifetimes.
adapt or die. mother nature’s first commandment.
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1. She is your wife/girlfriend but not a FRIEND. Keep it like that all the time and you are minimising the problem (much less efford than to Game constantly)
2. When your are buying flowers for your darling .. remind your self to take a bouquet your wife/girlfriend too.
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Not only can women smell the Alpha on you, they’re pretty good at smelling the beta on you too:
http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/the-pheromonal-beta/
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I’m going to ask some girls about this. “Can you smell a wuss?” or something along those lines.
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I’ve never had a Twitter account and some of those links posted here are useful, but, far too many source “Physorg” and “Medical xpress” for material. Other sources, svp.
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Is New England Patriots player Rob Gronkowski alpha?
According to one source, he may have smashed a 16 yr old in Aruba.
http://deadspin.com/5894499/did-a-16+year+old-mass-lass-hook-up-with-rob-gronkowski-one-steamy-night-in-aruba
No 40 yr old femi-cunt lawyer for Rob on that night.
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Important facts about the Age of Consent for US male citizens.
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In *most states of the US* the age of consent is 16. Surprise!
Very few people are aware of this fact. Almost everyone assumes AOC is 18.
It’s important to realize, however, that, as a male, the AOC in the state where you legally reside only counts for that state.
Meaning: a man living in NY, where the AOC is 17, cannot fuck a 17 year old slut out in LA, because, hilariously, the AOC in Cali is a laughably superannuated 18.
In practice, the AOC is *federalized to 18* the moment you engage in interstate or foreign travel. Never, ever, fuck under-18 pussy in any state other than your home state, and then, of course, only if your home state AOC is either 16 or 17.
Be exceedingly careful even then. Delaware, a true shithole, has a wildly unconstitutional law, to wit: the AOC is 16 until the male is 30, at which point, if said 30 year old male fucks a 16 year old girl, he will be jailed for “rape” and be raped for real. There is a similar, wildly unconstitutional and anti-male law in Florida.
What incredible outrages!
Feminists made damn sure that there would be a high AOC and sly “laws” in place in both Cali and FL., knowing that this would prevent many men from fucking young pussy, and, indeed, provide a ready supply of “rapists” for the prison industry.
How terrible.–
Finally. When traveling overseas do not fuck under-18 unless you want to risk the worst kind of life-destroying trouble under the unconstitutional dictates of the Protect Act.
The law is in some dispute, but, for now, it is not safe for an American citizen to fuck a perfectly legal 16 year old, in, say, beautiful Hungary, even though she is long-since legal in that fine country — because the Protect Act follows and *federalizes* US male citizens wherever they go, and, therefore, if some nasty dime-dropper discovers the fact that you were enjoying some tasty, and, in Hungary, eminently legal Budapest pussy, you will find yourself arrested on your arrival back in the US and charged as a “child rapist.”
The moral of the story is this: in our violently misandrist, completely feminist and white-knighter controlled, utterly corrupt legal system, the worldwide AOC is 18.
Until these lunatic cunts decide it should be, say, 21.–
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ch,
game is so 3 years ago. Need more current events, politics, HBD, racialism, government, and society posts please
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gay but racialism is cool
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GTFO. Go find that lame shit elsewhere.
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Agreed!
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Game is always relevant, unless you pawned your dick. And it’s the main reason we come here.
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He’s being sarcastic.
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It’s hard to tell, sometimes. There’s a lot of idiots out there. I hate to give them credit for sarcasm when they’re just being idiots, but I think the mistake is understandable.
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Google trends for the term, “White hispanic”. Note the huge jump after the media created the Zimmerman story. Someone should send this in to a more influential blogger. (response to the tweet)
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Start tracking your woman’s cycle. That way you can guess best when she’s ovulating and look for tells in behavior.
There’s a lot of myths and misinformation out there about ovulation timing. I did my research and found the best estimation for ovulation is 14 days before the beginning of her next period. To estimate the beginning of her next period you need to track her cycle regularly. The way to measure a cycle is from day 1 of a period to day 1 of the next period.
Since I started to pay attention I’ve noticed my girl definitely is hornier during her ovulation window. I give it to her a bit rougher too during this time. She loves it.
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There’s an app for that:) The host wrote an awesome post about it in early January, I believe?
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This is the first, vital step into actually managing your LTR. You live by the cycle, fuck by the cycle, and die by the cycle. And once you understand that, Married Game gets much, much easier.
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“She loves it.” Yes she sure does!
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I have been pointing this out for years- studies going back 20+ years have noticed this- and even more importantly, this preference changes whether the female is on the pill or not. Look it up. The pill also changes women’s ability to notice the scent of compatible males. Buchanan is right- it is the “suicide pill of the West”.
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Isn’t this fascinating? The irony is almost comical but not quite. A woman takes birth control while looking for a mate. Chooses incorrectly because of it, then goes off of it to start a family, and, whoops! What happened to the love? He didn’t change, you did.
No more birth control pills! Unless you know you’re attracted to someone for the right reasons (you weren’t a biologically different person because of the drugs in your system).
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good point, Kate.
I have seen girls curse the “pill”. including one who smashed them with a hammer one day.
just found this today, about male birth control. MIND Blowing.
http://techcitement.com/culture/the-best-birth-control-in-the-world-is-for-men/
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Wow.
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No, its one of the best things ever, since it prevents the low IQ and criminalistic from reproducing as much as they otherwise would.
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Negative. Neither of those groups will be using any birth control at any type of effectiveness.
Birth control prevents the high IQ from having “accidents” and lowers the birthrate of the successful.
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NO – be more specific.
It’s the suicide pill of the WHITE west.
Call a spade a spade.
Do you, in your MRM rah-rah cocoon – really ACTUALLY SEE black birthrates going down? Ever hear of a Welfare Pig with 13 baby and 8 babydaddy – before she’s 30?
Get real.
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oh, I thought those studies were recent. The pill may also be responsible for a lot of divorces cause of it.
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Spot. On. I’m probably much older than most people on here. Middle aged, been married for many years. First 5 years or so sucked. I was a miserable beta wondering how I ended up here. In my late 20s, a smoking hot wife, but I was being walked on and treated like shit.
Not sure how because we didn’t know about game theory or any of that stuff back then, but I realized I was scared of losing her. And, typically, was doing all the wrong shit hoping it would make her happy.
Then, one day I just figured I don’t need this shit. I’m a reasonably attractive guy, educated, good income. Fuck this, if you want to leave, leave. If you can do better, good luck. I meant it and I acted like it. And a magical thing happened. She became a happy wife. I became happy. I starting being much more alpha in my actions and thoughts, and she followed my lead as if she had been waiting for that all along.
Keep in mind I had no guide or advice. I wasn’t running routines or anything like that (maybe that’s the diff between single and married game?). I didn’t even know what game theory or routines were. I was very much winging it. Hell, I wasn’t even winging it. I had no clue what I was doing except that I had my confidence back and I regained control. I knew that whatever I was doing was working and I kept building from there.
I could write more, but bottom line is that was over 20 years ago and we’re still very happily married. Recently I read The Game and found this web site and really enjoy reading it. Maybe because it validates or puts structure to what I just stumbled onto all those years ago.
So keep it up Heartiste! It’s not just guys in their 20s looking to get laid that read your stuff.
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OT Trayvon Martin
Evidence he was a thief/burglar:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html
Martin’s tweets:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/
Juvenile arrest rates
http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/JAR.asp
Love the account name. “Ghetto Slime” would be far more accurate. This story will disappear from the media in one week once everyone discerns what this kid really was.
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“This story will disappear from the media in one week once everyone discerns what this kid really was.”
Sure, it’ll disappear. As soon as the natives get done rioting, murdering, burning. Remember Flash Mob Summer 2011? 2012’s gonna be better!
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This is all a crock of shit.
You say.. don’t be beta because she’ll cheat, well what happens when you play alpha?
Here is just a reality check: your wife or your long term GF becomes your adversary. They want you worn down and weakened because they are co-dependent and borderline to a lesser or greater degree. Classic greek myth femme fatale. If you are alpha, they want you to become beta so that you won’t leave them and know you are “safe.” They want to monopolize your affections (wasting your time on them). She wants to destroy your self-esteem and power, relationship with friends, wealth, etc, all so that she can control you better.
A relationship is not cooperation, but open warfare between two people. In divorce these true feelings go from concealment to openness. Women are far too selfish,immature and envious to seek some form of mutual beneficial union. This is talk of love and cooperation is naive happy talk. Even if you play Alpha, nothing can contain the reality of female nature.
Some women cooperate, maybe she’ll cook you huge meals (so you get fat). But she is your frenemy. True, if you are Alpha she will not cheat, I’ll grant you that. Mostly because she doesn’t want the risk of shitty sex. Women get really pissed after their slutting it up just results in some dude with a small dick who premature ejaculates.
So, sorry, this happy talk of being Alpha to save your relationship comes with its own price, she wants you to become so sappy dude who hugs her all day and will sabotage your life until she gets it.
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good comment. Because of this, it must be established that at no time, ever, will the Man yield authority.
One a woman realizes this, she will either leave
or comply.
Unfortunately, marriage IS effectively the Man relinquishing all authority.
LTR, sure. Marriage 2.0? Never.
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No. They want you to stay alpha, and keep throwing shit tests at you to make sure you stay so.
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Then you guys are doing it wrong. Sheesh, you’d think all of these self-professed “alphas” would be able to handle just one woman’s crap. Guess they’re too delicate for that.
Or, perhaps, y’all are just attracting these kinds of women and don’t have the sense to do your DD before you sign. If you pick the wrong wife, it won’t matter how alpha or beta you are, you’re still gonna get the shit kicked out of you in divorce court.
Pick the right wife, know how to manage her, and gosh, all those other problems just melt away.
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A recent post over at Married Man Sex Life, where the theme of the blog could be said to be game for the married man, author Athol Kay makes a bold statement. He says that most attraction is structural.
I’m an advocate for game, however I make the widest possible definition for what game is. Game is whatever increases attraction. On most manosphere blogs game is the psychological component, including inner confidence, outward dominance, and psychological mastery. It is usually considered to be all verbal and non-verbal cues, but nothing more. Some people might add a little styling. A few more will allow body building in under the category, but most will say that only increases confidence, which in turn improves game (they are wrong – muscles in and of themselves have been conclusively proven to be attractive).
Since I have a very wide definition of game, I don’t setup a dichotomy between the physical and structural outward manifestations of attraction such as finances and being fit, and the more inward and personality oriented aspects of attraction such as psychological mastery and an artfully displayed inner confidence. Everything that helps is game.
But if in your definition of game, you hold the more common and limited definition, take a moment to ponder the import of Athol’s advice to married men. Game of the verbal and body language type is LESS important than your basic structural setup for maintaining attraction in a marriage. He is not talking about maintaining comfort, which he associates with oxytocin, but attraction, which he associates with dopamine.
He concludes with
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http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/sl-tgate-and-society/
Exclusive: Vox Day explains that red pill of reality is no ‘war on women’
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I would always get a DNA test for any child that is supposed to be mine, and I’d make sure the woman knows of my intention.
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I just now realized all this women talk about men being dirty sexual animals is a FUCKING PROJECTION!
This shit is so sick I can’t even…
Oh God, I need to lay down for a minute…
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Being “alpha” so far as female sexual reflexes are concerned in no way correlates to “better” as a productive male. I agree with everything this blog states, usually, but I have to nitpick that one crossed out “better” in the beginning of the article.
Sometimes, in a relationship, you are fcuked no matter WHAT you do. She will just be hungry for strange cock no matter what, and nothing short of mummifying her in a Burqa and beating her like a red headed step child will change that.
I am close friends with 2 males who could probably even take MY wife from me, should they put their minds to it, given their obvious attractiveness to women both personality and looks wise. Yet, in my opinion, they are utterly useless to civilization, and useless as Men. I truly don’t think they could fix, or do, anything at ALL. Yet vaginas tingle in their presence.
We really need to divorce ourselves from the female attraction reflex ASAP.
Perhaps Axolotl tanks, like in Frank Herbert’s “Dune” are the answer for our species’ perpetuation.
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Even the most useless men who are not killing and robbing people are better than 9/10 women. Women are given all the cards. Men are no longer “subsidized” by American society and we see the results.
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99% of “wife game” is getting IOIs from other women.
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Then you’re doing it wrong. Study Athol’s work, you’ll realize that.
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Is Game necessary to manage a platonic, female roommate?
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It can’t hurt. I’ve used Game to handle and resolve a sticky work situation, where all the people I was dealing with were women.
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Roosh makes the SPLC roster before you? That must hurt.
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(Offtopic)
I think the general consensus of Alpha/Beta/Omega here does a disservice to the patterns society could take in mate selection strategy.
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Here, an Alpha male is CH, and is defined based on women’s mate picking choices, whether they be conscious or unconscious. The Alpha is infallible and can (and many times do) get laid by lots of ladies at the drop of the hat.
The Beta male is the AFC, and is defined also based on women’s mate picking choices. The Beta is error prone, doesn’t have (as much) social intelligence compared to the Alpha. He’s dependable, and boring.
The Omega male is the lower FC, one that for one or more reasons has little chance in scoring. One a woman would never touch, which makes it also defined by woman’s picking choices.
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I have run into a corrected spectrum that I think is more reasonable, and I’m posting it here because of the relative lack of mention I’ve seen of it elsewhere. Instead of labeling men based on female mate choices, it defines men based on men’s mating strategies, and not specifically on female choice.
The Alpha is a man in an alpha/beta relationship with other men, much like a company or gang, who sits top dog and dominates. He leads his betas, and by those betas being on the right team (under the correct alpha), they will have access to women (but not as many as the alpha). What also makes an alpha, alpha, is his relative risk in the group, which is higher than the betas. He is an executive of the company. Every definition of CH’s Alpha falls into this definition, except he never had to *learn* game (he’s not a reformed beta).
The Beta is a man also in an alpha/beta relationship with other men. He doesn’t get as many women as the alpha male, but his relative survival risk in the group is much smaller. He isn’t (as) dominant. He is dependable enough so that the alpha over him finds him to be a dependable, important part of the Alpha/Beta group. He is typically an employee and not an executive.
The Omega is a man who normally would be quite unsuccessful in finding a mate, except for his ability to woo and seduce women like they’re a machine. The Omega isn’t dependable, doesn’t care (and may be a sociopath), likely isn’t respected in society, and is typically the cad out womanizing, trying to get a new one for the night. He embodies the attitude and beliefs of CH’s Alpha specific to seducing women like they have a control console wide open on their faces for regular pump-‘n-dumps. Normally this category of men are the least successful in mating, except under extraordinary circumstances, such as the removal of female mate choice limitations by feminism lately.
The final group, last but definitely should be first, is the co-Alpha male. He is a man who allies with other men, and treat each other relatively equally, with the whole Alpha/Beta competition thing socially restricted. The co-Alpha is the archetype Christian husband. A society of co-Alphas socially ‘assign’ one female to each male through mate selection limitations and disincentives for a spouse moving to dis-union. The society of co-Alphas has higher male participation in society, and this specific reproductive strategy may have been the reason for the rise of civilization from the mud-hut.
It is the co-Alpha, and not the Alpha, who is the patriarch. Patriarchy is rule by co-Alphas.
The co-Alpha’s strategy is to forcefully keep cadding omegas at the bottom of society using extreme mate limiting strategies, like killing or maiming a suitor your wife cheats with. The woman typically would be out on her ass broke as a result, so there were huge disincentives introduced socially to maintain co-Alpha brotherhood.
Now that feminism succeeded in tearing down the co-Alpha hedge of protection, what we have returned to today is the Alpha/Beta jockeying so described by you CH, with Omegas playing as Alphas while co-Alphas sit in incel land and get labeled Omegas.
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Those be my two undervalued cents for the thread.
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I don’t buy the cockhold hypothesis. I think hypergamy is the real underlying mechanism, not a complex dupe the beta/screw the alpha scheme. Girls want to bang/marry up on the status ladder. When a cuckold scenario happens, I think most likely its a failed attempt by a married woman to upgrade her spouse. She had an affair with a higher status man, got pregnant, and failed to get him to commit. In an effort to preserve the status quo, she hides her dirty laundry and pretends the child is her husband’s.
Because women are becoming less interested in a beta provider type altogether these days, I bet it happens less now than before. A female’s hypergamous impulse can be contained. One, men need to enteer into a social contract with other men that they will not bang a married woman. Those that violate need to face social stigma. Two, women need to be held responsible for quitting on a marriage. They lose the house, they lose the kids, and they have to find work. Sure, some will successfully marry up and land on their feet, but imany would not and could end up in a very terrible situation. Plus, any married woman who cheats should be mercilessly stigamtized.
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LOL female accountability
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Exactly. The maternal preference in law (silent or otherwise) rests on an incorrect assumption that women will naturally put the children before themselves. In a divorce without kids, the law makes silent assumptions that since she is physically weaker, she is almost always the natural “victim” of any abusive aspects of the relationship, no matter how “psychological” the “abuse” may be.
People (women included) cannot be assumed to hold themselves accountable. Very few do. Since women won’t do it, the law needs to be changed so that accountability is built into our marriage/divorce laws. It’s obvious to everyone that it isn’t fair that a woman can quit a marriage and get the house, kids and a child support stipend from hubby. But i would argue it a step further: to allow the quitting spouse to have 50/50 custody and an equal division of the marital home and assets isn’t fair if the other spouse wants to keep the family together. If you walk from a marriage, you walk.In the old days when a man left his family, can you imageine the absurdity of him going to court and demanding half of everything and equal custody with the kids? Hell no. The audacity of such a request would be offensive. Why should it be any different for women who quit their marriages?
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Your solution, Sidewinder, is to model social norms to the co-Alpha society, where each man is equal by limiting musical mates. It, and not Alpha/Beta society, is the bedrock for advanced civilization.
Due to appropriate social and economic limits, each man is an Alpha to his woman, and to each of this neighbor men he is cooperative and equal. Thus he is co-Alpha. This is also the biblical man, or husband.
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Not forced equality. There has to be an acceptance of assortative mating to some degree. And we already do that, if we’re really honest with ourselves. Even if its not hierarchical assortative mating, we still select mates that we like that are good matches for ourselves. For example, I’m not a huge guy. 5 11, 175 pounds. Between two 8s, I prefer the more petite 8, even if the taller one is a model. But there’s also hierarchical assortative mating that occurs. There are girls out of my league, or maybe more accurately, there are competitor male suitors who are better matches for some girls. Some might call this settling, but I think its just reality.
So my solution would still account for this assortative mating. More alpha guys would get first dibs on the hotter women. But where men need to be held accountable is where they bang down for some strange from a married chick. I’m guilty of this so I’m not trying to sound holier than thou, but if you’re a guy with an 8 wife who typically bangs 8s, you still might want to hit a 6.5 or 7 from time to time because its new. A charismatic 8 male can manipulate a married 7. In my morality, men need to self-regulate and socially punish/shame the higher status male from being greedy and taking what is another man’s.
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Two problems with the G-6 worldview. OK I’m new here but isn’t the Omega the loser, with no looks, attitude, or social skills? The angry fat guy in a basement? He would hardly be the womanizing pump-and-dumper, or “cad” – that’s alpha. And remember, success as an alpha in mating does not equal success elsewhere – it can really fuck things up elsewhere. Our teacher friend there with his 18-year old former student hottie is alpha as hell, but as we know is also in a world of shit as a result.
I don’t know who this “alpha/beta Christian husband” is. This is supposed to be the big American White Man archetype but it never really existed, even if the Charles Murray types hold it up as the biblical standard. There was cuckolding and cheating a plenty back then, it just didn’t get shown on TMZ. While the pill and contraception theoretically makes it easier to cover your tracks, it would seem a whole lot of people then and now don’t know (and don’t want to know) how to work the jimmy hat or manage the little white pill dispenser. With predictable results.
Is that too cold? Sorry, dot’s life. In this connection, I’m with Lenny Bruce: “There is only WHAT IS. WHAT SHOULD BE is a dirty filthy lie.”
Don’t bandy the term “sociopath” lightly. You really mean “psychopath”, and their brains are literally miswired. Their amgydalas are damaged; they have no emotional empathy, they see all people as victims and all encounters as scams. They cannot be cured. (Dave Cullen’s book on Columbine really brings this home). Their brainscans are not like those of normal humans. Leave them out of this discussion.
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Lest we forget, there is value to be found in mastery of what you people call beta male behavior, even for what you call alphas. What you call a true alpha will have a wide variety of behaviors in his arsenal, even if he doesn’t use them on a regular basis. Deep in a LTR, one can knowingly ploy to cloy and use that “beta” behavior to get out of the situation guilt-free. Not that I would ever do that.
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If we pull back even further to get a bigger view of the picture, we can see it isn’t even “jerkhood” that women find attractive it’s more like an element of challenge, being slightly out of her reach. This is something that ‘betas’ and even some ‘alphas’ simply don’t exercise… especially over the long-term, which tends to have negative effects on relationships. Be Amazing,
JR
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Where have you been, it’s one AM?
I went to a Mid-night madness sale at the mall with the girls from work.
Why do you have alcohal on your breath?
They had a wine and cheese tasting at the sale.
Why is your blouse on inside out?
I tried on so many clothes, I must have put it back on wrong.
Where is the stuff you bought?
I did’t find anything I liked. Don’t you trust me?
Men will believe whatever they want to believe if it protects their ego.
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