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Should You Call Out A Girl’s Bad Behavior?

April 5, 2012 by CH

The question of whether to call out, or confront, a girl over any behavior of hers that is disrespectful to you is less cut-and-dried than it sounds. For instance, what do you do when you ask a girl out through text and she replies a day later? The he-man, tough guy traditionalists would say you don’t put up with shit from women, you be a man, and that means reprimanding women when they get out of line. Ok, great, but will that get you any closer to getting laid, which, remember, is your primary goal?

(He-men will say to that “Getting laid is less important than sticking up for your principles.” I’d tell them that having principles is fine up until the point those principles become recurring obstacles getting in the way of enjoying a satisfying love life. After which point it’s time to reevaluate your principles so that they’re geared to your personal advantage.)

Back to the scenario of the girl who texts a day late. It just so happens that I put the “calling out” theory to the test about four years ago when I went through a string of dates and flings with about fifteen girls in two months. Three of the girls totally flaked on me: two cancelled a first date at the last minute and one stood me up. A fourth girl took forever to reply to my texts. I was pissed at these flakes and was searching for a fail-safe method to deal with them and bolster my dignity in the process. At that time, I had been hearing a lot from a couple of naturals I knew who claimed that they never hesitated to call girls out on their shitty behavior. They recommended I do the same. Up till then, I was fairly content to just ignore or tease girls when they acted out their female flake algorithm.

To the two girls who cancelled at the last minute, I texted one and left a voicemail with the other expressing my displeasure along the lines of (paraphrasing) “My time is valuable. Last minute blow-offs are not cool.” To the girl who stood me up, I left an angrier text telling her not to make plans if she wasn’t going to see them through. The fourth girl who waited forever to reply to my texts got this in response: “I don’t hang with girls who can’t be bothered to text back in a reasonable time frame.”

The idea here was to rattle the girls with a strong, but non-needy, alpha display that they normally didn’t experience from most men they flaked on. In theory, it sounded plausible. However, in practice it was a total failure. None of the girls ever replied to my stern rebukes.

Conclusion: disciplining prospects = failed game.

Early in the seduction process, before you have cemented the bond with a few nights of fuckfare, stern paternal rebukes, however much delivered from a position of non-neediness, will turn girls off. A girl will never — I mean NEVER — accept that she bears responsiblity for her poor behavior. I don’t care if her fucking life is on the line, she’ll find a way to excuse her actions. Calling an inconsiderate girl out will only add pellets to her hamster’s food dish, and she’ll happily rationalize your scolding so that her decision to flake seems like a good one to her: “Wow, that guy is weird. Good thing we didn’t meet up.”

If you want to blow up any bridges to sex for the thrill of chastising a girl when she’s acting like a bitch, and for helping other guys out who might have to deal with her in the future, I say go for it. I suggest brutally dressing a girl down in front of a group of her friends, or in a public place. “Did your parents raise you to be this way?” is a good line that’ll shut most shrikes up.

But I wouldn’t make a habit of it. The best way to handle misbehaving, flaky girls that most consistently results in furthering positive interactions with the girls (should you choose to further them) is to do the following, in no specific order of effectiveness:

– Ignore
– Tease
– Misdirect
– Demote

Here are some examples of the above methods.

Ignore:
Self-explanatory. A girl texts you a day later, you don’t immediately reply, and you don’t let her know that her tardiness even registered in your consciousness. You act like this is just how girls are, and they deserve no better in return. Proceed as if nothing is wrong.

Tease:
“-10 points for lack of prompt reply. you’re losing me. you got ground to make up.” Also see this post for more examples of teasing a girl to reverse her flaking.

Misdirect:
“What was this about?” Forces girl to explain the context of her reply, which reframes back in your favor. Another good misdirection involves answering as if you were talking to a different girl, which will compel her to figure out what you mean: “Ok, i’ll drop my stuff off at your place later”, to which she will likely ask “what?” and then you reply “my mistake. what’s up?” (credit: Lara).

Demote:
(credit: YaReally) I wouldn’t call her out I’d just act as if I have 10 playboy models on the go and simply reply “sorry too slow lol made other plans. Next time” and then not respond for a few days. That teaches the lesson of “don’t dick around” without coming off insecure and angry.

I can say with a good degree of assurance that calling girls out for crappy behavior is counter-productive in the early stages of a seduction or dating trajectory. It might make you feel better, but it won’t pry open many vaginas. It’s a different story once you’ve been sexing a girl or are in a relationship; at that stage of the fuck cycle, you should establish your dominance when she starts pulling shit on you to test your alpha mettle. Bemused mastery is the alpha attitude women love, and there isn’t much room for indignant anger in that attitude. Especially at the beginning, when neither of you knows each other very well.

If you act like the typical shit that girls pull gets to you, then she’ll think (rightly) that you don’t have much experience with women.

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  1. on April 5, 2012 at 5:47 pm A.B. Dada

    I got rid of my smart phone in October 11. Two weeks ago, I dumped my cell phone entirely. No more texting instantly, just a google voice number tied to email.

    Something I did, though, that really upped my text game when I had a phone, was turn off notifications for texts and emails from my social address.

    I had to actually remind myself to check the inboxes once or twice a day. Fantastic response to the delays.

    When pressed as to why I didnt respond faster, I told the truth: I prefer phone calls, but I only answer those when I’m alone. Emails and texts get read twice daily, at 8am and 4pm.

    Downside: missing out on booty texts. Upside: booty texts return to booty *calls* again.

    Lesson: be the one not responding fast cuts the chaff of low interest and high maintenance dames.

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    • on April 5, 2012 at 5:56 pm Anon

      I read your comment before reading H’s post.

      How do you do that?

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      • on April 5, 2012 at 6:20 pm A.B. Dada

        I use IFTTT.com, point all my favorite blogs RSS feeds there, and it sends me a Google Talk chat when something new posts. If I’m at my desk or sitting in an airport on my iPad, I see it instantly.

        I generally just read the RSS fed data — on Heartiste’s site, he submits the full article to the RSS feed, so I get his text plains, without any sidebar or header or what-not. Faster to read, then click through to post a comment.

        Nothing magical. I prefer IFTTT.com over an RSS reader.

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      • on April 10, 2012 at 7:41 am Tertullian

        Jesus Christ, Dada.

        You’re now posting comments even BEFORE the article appears???

        Yes, you’re certainly putting all the time you save to good use…

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    • on April 5, 2012 at 5:59 pm PUA_Rochester

      You’ve obviously read and implemented aspects from 4HWW.

      I did too but allowed my discipline to lapse. Emails/texts are really major time killers.

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      • on April 5, 2012 at 6:16 pm A.B. Dada

        I actually haven’t read 4HWW, I just made a decision two years ago to stop wasting time with people who I wasn’t getting some reward out of.

        The difference is that I realized I was really inefficient at 80% of the tasks I was doing. So I cut out close to 70% of my non-travel expenses and used the savings to hire a full time assistant. $25k a year is a lot for people, but if you earn a basic 6 figures, you have to find a way to afford it. It’ll take your 50 hours a week of work and chores and cut it down to 20 hours, leaving you with 30 more hours to do what you do best and most efficiently — making you more money.

        The 40 hour work week + 10 hours of chores is terrible financially. We easily waste 75% of that time doing monotonous tasks that we can delegate to someone simpler of mind who can focus on doing them well. When you can focus all your energies on efficient things, profit follows quickly.

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      • on April 5, 2012 at 11:44 pm DirkJohanson

        So how does regularly reading and contributing comments to a blog fit into that equation?

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      • on April 7, 2012 at 10:18 am A.B. Dada

        There are two consistent ways to make money: comfortably with low risk, but typically a mediocre amount per hour (salary), or higher risk with much high reward, per hour. I align myself with the latter.

        Since my income relies on consulting work (very rare jobs in a very specific field, so typically 30-40 work days per year), I have plenty of free time to do whatever I want to do. I typically travel, so I spend quite a bit of time at airports, etc. Pop the iPad up and browse blogs.

        The other thing I do with my free time is help bootstrap small-cap companies grow and hopefully flourish. Since I have absolutely no talent that’s required in the daily ops of these start-ups, I typically sit at a desk for a few hours every morning just as an advisor — again, plenty of time to pop onto the web or catch up on some light book reading.

        That all being said, when I do my consulting gigs, I’m slammed. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. No way in hell could I work 50 weeks a year doing that, but it pays for the lifestyle I desire.

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      • on April 6, 2012 at 8:48 am Phu

        You have implemented what I’m thinking about. I salute you!
        And I have a question: How/where did you find that assistent and what kind of chores do you actually trust her/him with? That’s what’s stopping me…

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      • on April 7, 2012 at 10:24 am A.B. Dada

        I’d recommend putting the word out through friends and family that you’re looking for a personal assistant part time to help you organize and manage your schedule better. Craigslist is always an option. I met one of my assistants on the street late at night (2am?) while we were both drunk. I started him off doing some basics (answering my calls, reading my emails, laundry, cooking lunch, on rare occasions picking up or dropping off the dame of the evening, etc) — but he became such a strong and solid thinker that I actually transferred him to one of the startups I’m supporting. My current assistant is more of a business attaché — he doesn’t cook or do laundry, but is much better at handling my schedules and managing my communications.

        I’m actually in the market for a new one towards the end of this year. I have plenty of living space in the 3 cities I occupy most of the time, and I’m hoping for more of a personal assistant over an attaché only because I really hate how inefficient I am at cooking, laundry, restocking supplies or driving myself around.

        Be aware that you can pick up a part-timer for relatively cheap ($12 an hour is a good part-time income), but as you put more time demands on them, the price starts to accelerate. A full-time live-in trained butler can command almost 6 figures in Chicago and Miami, whereas an intelligent Central American attaché might get $20 per hour maximum, and a low IQ Eastern European would be excited at $10 per hour, tops.

        I’d stick with males, too, but that’s my personal opinion based on experience.

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      • on April 6, 2012 at 2:49 pm Og

        “…someone of simpler mind…” Ugh me want work for yoo me work good

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 12:55 pm Hero

      Cut down on the distractions and focus on what’s effective.

      I like your style Adam.

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  2. on April 5, 2012 at 5:51 pm Jonas2

    If a girl flakes out on you, then during another day tries to hit you up like nothing happened, isn’t it good to call her out on it and tell her your time is valuable? I did this to one girl who flaked like 3 times (1 was a bad flake while the other 2 were anticipated so I didn’t give a fuck) and all of a sudden she was texting me more, sent me her address immediately, and apologizing profusely multiple times. I’ll wait a week and report to see if it actaully works in meeting up with her. You can’t let her get away with this shit.

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    • on April 5, 2012 at 8:09 pm TheCoolah

      She flaked on you 3 times and you’re still talking to her? Pretty clear who’s running this show.

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    • on April 5, 2012 at 8:38 pm itsme

      you didn’t even read heartsie’s post, did you.

      if you directly tell a girl you haven’t been banging not to waste your time because your time is valuable, what she hears is butthurtness. instant dlv.

      your mindset towards the girl should be ‘i’m gonna go out and have fun, you’re invited to come along. if you flake, it’s your loss, not mine.’

      what you actually do/say to her should only hint at this mindset. don’t actually say those words.

      her apologies and excuses don’t mean dick.

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      • on April 6, 2012 at 9:57 am P Ray

        Even better is:
        I’m going to this exclusive party, I know the owner.
        If you’re with me, you may be able to get in.

        Huge funny points if all you say is true, and she can’t get in unless she’s with you.

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  3. on April 5, 2012 at 5:59 pm Samuel

    these are good, and very solid.

    The difference between the “stern rebukes” that didn’t work, and the things you have suggested is:

    “stern”

    The stern stuff will only work once she is invested and is in the habit of desiring your approval (and is better suited to more significant offenses). The suggestions you made are still rebukes, they are just more light hearted and hamster-friendly.

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    • on April 5, 2012 at 8:38 pm Spiralina

      This is true. The stern, paternal dressing-down only works with a girl who is already strongly attracted/attached to you. Otherwise you risk sounding overly serious and butt-hurt, which is the mark of a frustrated beta. Who cares? She’s just a girl, there are millions of them out there. Plus, you have to bring some carefree fun into her life before she feels the loss when you take it away. Give that bitch some fun, bitches love fun.

      I’d suggest being coy when she does respond, saying something like “Oops! Missed me, I’m already booked for the week” and then not replying for at least a week. Make her wonder what else you’ve got going on. Or just play her game; set up a date, and if she does show up text her back from somewhere else like, “Just ran into an old college friend and she kidnapped me and dragged me to another bar. I swear I had no choice. Another time?” Operate from the frame that you’ve got so many girls in rotation, it’s no loss if she flakes. Even if it isn’t true, just the hint of it will get the hamster wheel spinning.

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      • on April 5, 2012 at 10:36 pm Lara

        This is a good comment. We just want it to be light and fun in the beginning.

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      • on April 5, 2012 at 11:22 pm Spiralina

        I agree. Dominance is good in the beginning, but you have to temper it with fun and the promise of an escape or else it’s just another boring authority figure.

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      • on April 5, 2012 at 10:41 pm Lara

        When older women look back, they remember most fondly the men they had the most fun with.

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      • on April 6, 2012 at 11:34 am A.B. Dada

        I will never play into a flake. Never. There are literally hundreds of other women within 5 square miles of my place. Thousands within 10 square miles. I’m going to worry about how to act with one of those? Crazy.

        If she flakes, she’s out of my mind, permanently. What the fuck is up with guys who get instant one-itis of any level with a gal they haven’t had sex with?

        She flakes, you next her. You don’t initiate again. If she texts you again, you just tell her what you’re up to and say she’s welcome to join you (don’t say she’s invited). If she comes, she’s good for one thing: ONS. That’s it. Flakes don’t deserve more. Bang it, push it out the door after, don’t worry if she doesn’t have $2.25 for the bus. Her problem.

        Dada’s Rule #160 (Flakers): Flakers gain 20% of their age in body fat over 12 months after a flake. I’ve never seen a flaker age well, because she doesn’t respect others and she doesn’t respect herself. This is bond, the plain truth. Don’t get one-itis over a gal who doesn’t respect your time from the start.

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      • on April 9, 2012 at 1:24 pm JCclimber

        Just saw what used to be a solid 9 in the company cafe. She was a flake, about 10 years ago, when she was still hot.

        I doubt she flakes now, considering that her SMV has dropped to about a 4 or 5.

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      • on April 9, 2012 at 1:45 pm Sam

        This is harsh. While I respect that you don’t want to be pushed around, do you think it is possible that maybe she actually forgot? Women are human too. It’s like you assume that she is sitting there in her lair, cackling and going, “lets see… what poor shmuck should I blow off today?” I think you are taking her flake too hard. Ever heard the saying, “don’t cut off your nose to spite your face?”

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      • on April 11, 2012 at 12:32 pm A.B. Dada

        The contrary to this is that I do assume that a woman I show some attention towards is sitting in her lair, waiting for me to call.

        If she isn’t, that’s proof that she’s not taken by me, and she’s worthy of a Next!…

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  4. on April 5, 2012 at 6:04 pm Stingray

    I’m finding it harder to add reps to my pull-ups than weight to my squats.

    Regarding this, try adding BCAA’s during your workout. Pretty cheap at bodybuiding.com.

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    • on April 5, 2012 at 7:57 pm Mukluk

      Weighted pull-ups if you can pull 8-10+ easily at bodyweight.

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    • on April 5, 2012 at 7:58 pm A.B. Dada

      QFT^

      I’ve always been a hard-gainer, but since I added BCAAs and sufficient muscle-building protein, I’ve broken through a weight plateau and gained pounds of muscle.

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      • on April 8, 2012 at 9:00 pm attractionreaction

        How to sync diet with exercise

        http://www.jeffreybrauer.blogspot.com/2012/03/how-to-sync-diet-with-exercise.html

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 11:39 am Dan Fletcher

      I’ve heard about those on the lean-gains website but never tried them.

      Has anyone else had a positive experience with them?

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      • on April 7, 2012 at 12:04 pm Stingray

        Mark Rippetoe on putting on muscle:

        http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/most_lifters_are_still_beginners

        The diet part is near the bottom and starts with “The Diet” in blue. You gotta eat and you gotta eat far more than you think you do and what you can comfortably to make the gains many guys wanna see. As he says:

        “Let’s say you put on 40 or 50 pounds in six months. That’s going to have a huge impact on how you look and how strong you are.

        But let’s say you do the ‘gotta keep my razor sharp abs’ horseshit. You’ll be lucky if you gain eight or nine pounds. What do you think is going to have more effect on how you look? 50 pounds, 30 of it muscle, or 8 pounds?

        No one gives a shit about your bullshit abs if you’re 5’11 and 170 pounds,” says Rip. “Well, maybe some other guys do, but women sure as hell don’t.

        Problem is, you gotta get to be my age to realize that.”

        Read the whole thing. He is one of my favorites.

        However, if your doing paleo for your health then your just not going to put muscle on like you might want to.

        (Also, for you young guys, go youtube “Mark Rippetoe squats” and learn how to do them correctly. You’re young and you can make so many amazing gains right now. Dammit, get your ass to the ground and make the gains your body will let you . . . now. Never in your life will you be able to build muscle like you can right now. Take advantage of it)

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      • on April 7, 2012 at 3:45 pm Stingray

        Damn, I just saw your tweet. Obviously my opinion is ass to the grass.

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      • on April 7, 2012 at 3:48 pm Stingray

        And I hope it is obvious that if you are new to doing them this way that you are going to have to lower your weights somewhat significantly and work back up again. You will be stronger for having done so.

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      • on April 8, 2012 at 8:59 pm attractionreaction

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      • on April 7, 2012 at 12:37 pm Laconophile

        Leangains rocks. Everyone should be doing it (except powerlifters). BCAAs are a must if you do fasted workouts a la leangains.

        Good places to start:
        http://examine.com/leangains-faq/

        http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3555986

        http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html

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      • on April 7, 2012 at 8:44 pm no magic pills

        In my personal BCAA’s is one of the most overated supplements there is, only know 2 big guys who take them, one because they just happen to be in his super all purpose shake, the other because he takes every supplement religiously. Neither of them vouch for it.

        I go for long periods of training supplement free, but If you’re gonna try em take something like purple wraath. that said i’d go for something more along the lines of creatine+nitic oxides+dextrose during a workout, something like white flood and/or greenMAG.

        creatine+water is my winning formula. some simple protein now and again. oh yeh and EAT FOOD. knowledge of good food, and the ability to eat lots it is your greatest assett. Oily fish, liver, oats, nuts/seeds etc only come in one flavour. so pick your favourite beverage, buy lots of it, and wash that shit down.

        Always be eating.

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      • on April 8, 2012 at 11:01 am no magic pills

        these guys don’t sound too smart but they are bang on the money….muscles don’t grow in the gym, in fact they are constantly breaking down, you need to be getting water and dextrose to the cells, creatine helps with this.

        BCAA’s are useful for those on a calorie deficit, and those who train fasted/semi fasted, for instance in the early hours of the morning 5-9am soon after waking up.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 9:07 pm Lance Draper

      Grease the groove, Heartsie.

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    • on April 7, 2012 at 12:29 pm Laconophile

      BCAAs are especially helpful if you’re on a calorie deficit. Buy them bulk by the kilo to save $.

      I recommend weighted chin-ups instead of pull-ups if you want big biceps.

      Re: squats, going below parallel is the consensus, I’ve heard (and felt) that going parallel is bad for the knees. Go low so that you know for sure you are below parallel. It’s not necessary to go as low as possible though.

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    • on April 8, 2012 at 8:58 pm attractionreaction

      re: add pull-ups

      use legs to get up to top position, finish exhaling as you hold top position (squeeze), then close mouth and inhale through nose as you lower yourself to bottom position. then put feet on ground, rise to standing. that’s one rep; repeat.

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  5. on April 5, 2012 at 6:17 pm Thanatosis (@lmMirin)

    If the games become more trouble than they’re worth move on to a different girl. Nothing lost by cutting the cord on a chick you don’t feel is worth the effort to game.

    There are no shortage of attractive women. You are the selector, if she comes up short or flakes move on to another chick.

    There is not enough time to game every game playing woman in your contact list.

    I can tell you this has saved me plenty a headache that my buddies have unfortunately blundered into due to sharing this same philosophy.

    “No woman left ungamed”

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  6. on April 5, 2012 at 6:23 pm Libertardian

    “Ergo, is the mass immigration advocated by white elites a “let’s you and him fight” strategy that effectively boosts elite sexual access?”

    Sure. Divide and rule. Plus, as GBFM points out, inflation erodes a society’s morals (there’s a fine essay on this at: http://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/rae7_1_1.pdf). So now you have an ever more poor and debt-ridden working-class and former middle-class set of women who’ve been schooled from a young age in things like no-standards screwing, BDSM, and ultimately suicidal mating strategies like the alpha male prisoner’s dilemma (i.e. they all chase the scarce alphas and they all end up worse off than if they’d all settled for the more plentiful betas).

    Betas are ever more shut out of the sexual market, their wages eroded at all skill levels by elites flooding the labor market, then taxed to prop up the same people used for that flooding. (That’s one of the first items in the elite playbook: make ’em pay for their own screwing.) It’s a sexual paradise for elites that likely hasn’t been equaled since the declining days of Rome, if ever.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 3:59 am Anonymous

      Pack yer bag, we’re goin’ to hell!

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 4:58 am Anonymous

      Yes, but it’s also the reason why I welcomed the 2008 financial crash even though my personal wealth was slashed because of it.

      I immediately saw that doors would open for those who weren’t beta (I didn’t yet realize what beta and alpha were because I hadn’t found this blog yet).

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 9:55 am P Ray

      But those women have to make their money somewhere, so if the beta guy owns a money making operation …
      they’ll have to be employed by him if they’re not “cute enough to be a kept woman”. Heh heh.

      Vox Day did an interesting analysis of this, saying that you can judge how bad an economy is getting, by how young, cheap and pretty the prostitutes get.

      Proving that money makes the world go round.

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  7. on April 5, 2012 at 6:24 pm LionSoul

    Ego is a seductive man’s worst enemy. That’s why it’s called game. Learn. Adapt. Sex.

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    • on April 5, 2012 at 9:10 pm J.Christ

      Punishing a girl you’ve haven’t had sex with is:

      (1) taking girls too seriously, and
      (2) impossible

      Taking girls too seriously shows inexperience. Inexperience is unattractive.

      Just treat flaking as if you were gently herding a bunch of cute, fluffy kittens. Some will get away, some won’t, but all are interchangeable.

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  8. on April 5, 2012 at 6:26 pm bigfoot

    Demote is probably the best way to go IMO.

    Whenever I have a doubt, I ask myself “What would a guy with 10 hotties in his harem” do?

    That usually leads to the correct thing to do and minimizes needy behavior.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 2:36 pm Uradyke15

      That is a great strategy and something i do also. I start to ask myself, If I had many options, how would i respond to this? Or alternatively, if I wasn’t really that into this chick how would I respond? We all have experience blowing off women that dont really do it for us. I try to maintain that perspective,…. the indifference is crucial.

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  9. on April 5, 2012 at 6:29 pm bell

    So related question to the topic at hand … if her tardiness responding to a text is flakiness and misbehavior, what is the correct corresponding alpha etiquette?

    I personally usually feel very beta if I respond too quickly to a text, and the more banal her text, the more beta is me for responding quickly.

    Sometimes you have rapid fire text conversation complete with teasing and fun, that’s different. But what about run of the mill texts?

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 12:54 pm YaReally

      Remind yourself each time: you do NOT have to respond to every txt.

      We usually instinctually want to close each conversation up, wrapped up with a nice bow because as men we want to say “that task has been completed, the conversation is over until a new one begins”. But girls don’t care about that. That’s why they’ll do stuff like:

      “hey babe what are you up to tonite?”
      (you, immediately) “not much, want to hang out?”
      (her, 4 hours later) “lol can’t going out with my girls!”

      In that situ you look lame, VS

      “hey babe what are you up to tonite?”
      (the next day) “hey I was at Blah with friends. It was crazy lol you should’ve come” (note that she couldn’t possibly have come because I didn’t tell her where I was, and yet I’m blaming her like it’s her fault for not being there lol I love doing this)

      Or

      “hey babe what are you up to tonite?”
      (later that night) “hey I’m at Blah with friends. You should come”
      (her) “awe I would but I’m with my girls”
      (you, 2 hours later) “cool”

      To get used to this I had to do start turning my phone off, leaving it across the room where it’s more effort to check it, force myself not to respond till after I took a shit or ate or showered, etc. now it’s natural, if a txt isn’t something 1) important/serious, 2) relevant to her and I hooking up, or 3) if it looks like she’s just seeking attention (“omg work was crazy today”) I just don’t bother txting back.

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  10. on April 5, 2012 at 7:17 pm PA

    @ Heartiste tweet: “Ergo, is the mass immigration advocated by white elites a “let’s you and him fight” strategy that effectively boosts elite sexual access?”

    There was a question raised at OneSTDV a few days ago — cui buono, who profits, from engineering immigration-driven social changes. My answer was, Nobody. When you burn your own ship to spite the steerage crowd, the best you’ll get is a life-raft.

    White elites are no different than you or I. When they take a drive out like Kerouac, they want to be served by pretty girls as part of the local folklore. Or at the six-star hotel. What was that hideous horror sent to give Strauss-Kahn a blow job in that NYC hotel room? They don’t make working girls like they used to.

    A blogger, I forget who, write about how he spent some time in India. The people, he wrote, were wonderful and friendly. But in all the tome he was there, he did not see any — not one — girl he’d even consider banging. This Is the most depressing thing ever written.

    The white elites better recallibrate. The world they’re destroying is their own.

    “The world is full of double beds
    and most delightful maidenheads.”
    – Hillary Belloc

    What a wonderful thing England was a century ago.

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    • on April 5, 2012 at 8:10 pm Thanatosis (@lmMirin)

      If the implications are true, its doubtful any elites would waste their time perusing a game blog.

      Vicarious posturing is rampant on anonymous forums I’d process the postings of the numerous “elites” frequenting this blog with a large amount of skepticism.

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    • on April 5, 2012 at 9:30 pm whiskeysplace

      The people who benefit are White women (true story, my local German butcher, the tattooed White 20-something clerks were all raving about “the Help”) because it provides both “uplifiting” moral status enhancers, and an occupation (teacher, social worker, etc.)

      Also White elites who in “knowledge’ based (i.e. politics, media, etc) professions don’t do much other than status-climb. Demonstrating a higher class (“I don’t need to worry about immigrants”) is always a plus for that group. Achievement oriented people (“Scoreboard baby”) have different metrics: more money, more dominant companies, more outrageous toys, but the arc is from objective dominance to social one upmanship (think Bill Gates in 1988 vs. today).

      This is a short-term benefit, for long term harm, but that’s common among societies. A Tragedy of the Commons for sure. This is why Elites and White women are so pro-diversity/immigration, it is a class thing. While guys, particularly White guys, really don’t like it or give a damn, because they rise mostly (outside the media/infotainment/politics areas) through achievement: money, accomplishment, etc. which depends more on a mono-ethnic group.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 3:00 pm Og

      And if the elites are dominated by a well-known and oft-despised tribe of fucked-up shitheads and said shitheads,so militant in their hatred for the Guy with the nail marks on His hands,and His followers,even if most followers dont take it seriously anymore anyway–if these shitheads are in charge,maybe theyre too fucked up and crazy and CANT figure this shit out. Or truly so fucked up they dont CARE!

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 6:14 pm X

      “What a wonderful thing England was a century ago.”

      Umm that is because they were banking it on the riches they extracted from India. Karma is correcting this anomaly, that a little island nation could have so much of the world’s GDP. Prior to English rule, India had 25% of global GDP (China had 33% at the time). When the British were in India, they destroyed local agriculture that had made the Indians rich, and tens of millions starved. They also did not allow the Indians to create their own goods, in essence artificially creating a giant market for English goods. The English pussies needed to rig the game in order to get rich. Now things are somewhat more on a level playing field.

      Plus the White Elites are so used to destroying others, that they have lost focus and are using the same tactics (extortionist loans being the first thing coming to mind) on their own that they used on others.

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      • on April 9, 2012 at 11:40 am DiamondEyes

        Wait, a handful of pussies from a small island nation was able to go in and utterly dominate one of the richest and most populous nations in the world? A domination so complete that they could “not allow Indians to create their own goods”. Wow, that’s a good tale.

        It’s this very clear contradiction that always makes me laugh at the anti-white crowd. On the one hand, everyone is supposedly equal. But on the other hand, a relatively tiny group of whites was able to intellectually, financially, and militarily dominate entire continents of warrior tribes. Rich stuff.

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  11. on April 5, 2012 at 7:51 pm Paladin

    Excellent post! So many people forget that being a player is not the same as being a f***ing movie star who deals with people the way they deserve and is always respected. A player’s job, in reality, is doing what has the largest chance of success (penetrating her wet hole(s)) and the least negative consequences to his emotional stability. Nothing else.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 9:52 am Anonymous

      Good distinction.

      Because there is confusion between the Player and the Alpha Guy.

      An Alpha wouldn’t put up with what “flaking” behavior represents from other people.

      But a “Player” would put up with “flaking” behavior because wanst to get laid

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      • on April 9, 2012 at 2:44 am Diego Sigma

        haha nice one!
        in the animal world, the alphas own the harem
        but there are always sneaky, smarty pants who think of ways to enter the holes
        some even disguises themselves as females

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  12. on April 5, 2012 at 8:25 pm CAFC

    Question – a girl I am gaming (kissed only) sent me an bbm message asking me if I am on holidays again. I did not respond and now she deletes me from her contact list, I will add I did notice alot of status updates about trust etc.

    I was going to scold but this post tells me to do otherwise.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 9:59 am P Ray

      How sure are you she wasn’t gaming other guys?
      One of the rules of thumb is to be aware that girls run their own push-pull routines too.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 12:46 pm James

      There is no point in scolding her, you’re the one acting like a flaky woman by never answering back at all.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 12:57 pm YaReally

      Don’t scold. Laugh.

      If she was your 10 year old silly neice what would you do?

      “lol did you delete me? You’re so gay”

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  13. on April 5, 2012 at 8:38 pm PermanentGuest

    “Ok, great, but will that get you any closer to getting laid, which, remember, is your primary goal?”

    This is already a losing mindset.

    I agree with all of the techniques listed here, but why not take a healthy mindset and allow these methods flow effortlessly and naturally?

    If you strive to be carefree, purpose-driven and ultimately satisfied with yourself, you’ll likely live a life in which a last-minute flake is a relief, or where you actually don’t have time to answer petty messages. Do you think celebrities and athletes are sitting around thinking of techniques to deal with flakes? No, because they’re living a life of enjoyment already, without seeking solely to “get laid.”

    “Conclusion: disciplining prospects = failed game.”

    The methods of calling out listed were more focused on your personal hurt/disappointment than her crappy behavior. The demote method by YaReally is a more constructive way of calling out behavior: throwing the behaviour back in their face without showing personal anger, as if he forgot the plans were made until she texted the cancellation.

    Then again, that’s just the way of a natural, purpose-driven man.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 10:02 am P Ray

      Keep enough plates spinning and the lays are sure to come (pun?)
      The frame is to get her to repeat herself in full.
      That way, SHE’S propositioning you.
      And if she can’t do that, she’s not that into you, which is fine, since you are speaking to other girls anyway.
      Can’t keep your goodness restricted to only one girl, after all. Since familiarity breeds contempt, be a stranger for better results.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 1:02 pm YaReally

      The problem is being a cool normal alpha dude is a foreign concept to a lot of socially awkward guys. That’s why the whole “just let it flow naturally” thing fucks with them…there’s no guarantee that that’s going to do anything for improving their social/love life. They have no foundation to let shit flow from.

      Encourage them to consciously embrace their intent and learn the ropes, then down the road they can chill and let it flow.

      1) Unconscious incompetence
      2) Conscious incompetence
      3) Conscious competence
      4) Unconscious competence

      A lot of guys discovering this blog are starting in stage 1.

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      • on April 7, 2012 at 1:58 pm PermanentGuest

        That’s a fair point and I see it from that perspective as well.

        The guys I’ve counselled in the past have done well with taking a mindset over any outside achievements. I told them to base their confidence on nothing-just have it. Quick tangible occurrences have followed because the outer world is just a reflection of the inner thought.

        Now when is it ever healthy to put your purpose in “getting laid?” You’re conceding that the affection and love of women exceed your own importance, putting them at the level of goddess.

        I’ll concede that the explicit learning of techniques can be of great value, yet I would prefer a healthy mindset to back them up (see: ModernMan’s “the flow”).

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    • on April 8, 2012 at 12:38 am Fred Mok

      @permanent guest – agree that the suggestions given especially tease, misdirect, and demote are indirect and more constructive ways to call out misbehavior when a relationship is beginning. Every relationship begins with rapport building and these methods are mostly postive with an edge. The edge is what makes it corrective. In the end, it’s about the attitude you’re trying to convey, you want to be playful and secure but not such a jerk that it turns people off. The methods are also helpful in that they open up an opportunity for further dialogue and you can learn more about the woman based on how she responds. When you confront someone you don’t know well, it will kill any relationship, male or female.

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  14. on April 5, 2012 at 8:39 pm Firepower

    Dealing with flakes is a lose-lose proposition. Flakes simply just aren’t worth the games.

    Would she flake on Brad Pitt – nope. And therein lies the problem: Different degrees of respect. If she snaps to attention based purely on social status – lose. If she doesn’t crave you enough to care – lose. Wanting you around just to play games with: Double lose. Does anybody think Pitt “won” by “winning” his wife? Really? He still looks pussy whipped, and even plastic surgery can’t hide that.

    Dump the bitch and get another. Wasting the efforts, blood and treasure of True Game on some flighty skank with a 56 IQ just because she has great tits is one of the stupidest things a real Man can do.

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    • on April 5, 2012 at 11:31 pm Spiralina

      Plenty of girls would flake on Brad Pitt…he’s a badly aging, pussy whipped beta. He’s still coasting on the Tyler Durden cool factor, but it’s long run out. He’s sexy like Angelina is “sexy”….that is to say, a nipped and tucked android simulacra of sexiness.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 4:18 am Thanatosis (@lmMirin)

      Oneitis 2.0.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 9:51 am Anon

      “Wasting the efforts, blood and treasure of True Game on some flighty skank with a 56 IQ just because she has great tits is one of the stupidest things a real Man can do.”

      Dumb women don’t play games. That’s why they’re “dumb”. Skanks don’t play games. They put out. That’s why they’re “skanks”.

      In any event, the only people who hate on “dumb skanks” are game-playing women and men who don’t get laid.

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      • on April 8, 2012 at 10:53 am Anon

        I hate smart and dumb skanks. And I still get laid with them, and with the so-called “nice girls”.

        Got another stereotype for ya: the only people who hate on slut haters are white knighters who are faithful to their plain jane. Ring any bells?

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 10:03 am P Ray

      Deal with flakes by dealing with someone else.
      The different degrees of respect happen when she thinks you have nowhere else to go, nobody else to see, nothing else to do.
      In other words: when she is the only priority.
      Newsflash: she’s not. New products, services and information coming out everyday … so if she’s interested, she’ll make time for you.
      Otherwise, you got money to earn, places to be, things to learn.

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  15. on April 5, 2012 at 8:52 pm Harland

    What, no politics? I don’t believe it…what is this, an advice column? I thought this was a political blog.

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  16. on April 5, 2012 at 9:24 pm Anonymous

    “Ergo, is the mass immigration advocated by white elites a “let’s you and him fight” strategy that effectively boosts elite sexual access”

    That’s part of it, but the main reason is that racial minorities are generally less intelligent and easier to control than the white middle-class.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 9:38 am Anon

      Please look at American history. Brown people are NOT easier to control. See various race riots. Detroit, Los Angeles, Chicago, New Orleans.

      Brown people are used to put middle-class whites in FEAR. Fear of crime, fear of losing their jobs to them, fear of the neighborhood going down, etc.

      Brown people are used by elites as rabid attack dogs. Middle class whites are obligated to be thankful to the elites because but for their mercy, the brown people would be unleashed upon the middle class.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 3:01 pm Og

      Niggers are easier to control? I didnt know that;thanks.

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  17. on April 5, 2012 at 9:25 pm Anonymous

    As to the topic:

    Girls interpret chastisement as an emotional reaction. They think you’re angry at them. And as we know, emotionally reacting to a girl lowers your value.

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  18. on April 5, 2012 at 9:53 pm LP 999

    Sometimes calling out bad behavior isn’t calling out, its educating another person on how you wish to be treated in the future. Or its a miscommunication to clarify.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 12:18 pm A.B. Dada

      Early amounts of certain forms of disrespect are acceptable though as they give you ammunition to enforce respect when and if the relationship turns out to be LTR.

      If it’s purely sexual, it’s the sex that matters and shows the proper respect. If it’s LTR, it’s more than the sex — the man should make a disrespectful woman qualify herself as to why she thinks she can continue to disrespect him.

      “You did that shit when we first started seeing each other, don’t you think it’s time to stop?”

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  19. on April 5, 2012 at 10:21 pm theforest

    “Ok, great, but will that get you any closer to getting laid, which, remember, is your primary goal?”

    Obviously sexual access is the primary goal, that’s why we need to take their vote away and put them in their place (in other words don’t play by their rules but instead take them by force – like our ancestors). I know it’ll probably never happen, and that the West is probably WAY past the point of no return – but I just like to keep reminding the Internetz of this option.

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  20. on April 5, 2012 at 10:28 pm feral1404

    Demote has always worked for me. If she flakes and texts “Sorry I can’t make it.” I just text back “That’s cool. Give me a shout sometime if you want to have some fun.” I leave it at that and never look back, because – as Heartiste and Roosh and many others have always proscribed – I’ve already had a plan B in pocket all along.

    Early in my life I used to get pissed, but then realized that you don’t get angry at a bird for flying, a fish for swimming, or a girl for flaking. It’s what they do.

    Just be ready to implement plan B and say “Next”!

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 2:39 am Tobias est Forte

      “Early in my life I used to get pissed, but then realized that you don’t get angry at a bird for flying, a fish for swimming, or a girl for flaking.

      It’s what they do.”

      You know what? That’s gold.

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  21. on April 5, 2012 at 11:16 pm Bounder

    I had crisis of conscience today. Picked up one of my best friends sisters this early afternoon to “hang”. (She’s only 20).

    Was escalating along normally and I just felt like shit all of the sudden.

    Brought her back to my place and turned on sports. Just ignored her the rest of the night. She just said there.

    Now I really need some coke.

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  22. on April 5, 2012 at 11:42 pm DirkJohanson

    It will probably make most of you feel better to know that this type of flaking, etc., doesn’t just happen to betas, gammas, and omegas. Last night, I was in the room while Ron Jeremy was dishing out shit to the chick I hooked him up with for standing him up. They went round-and-round on the phone for about 20 minutes, and she offered to make up for it by coming down to South Florida tonight where he is appearing and he told her he didn’t want her to come down.

    Its good to have options.

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  23. on April 5, 2012 at 11:50 pm DirkJohanson

    Last time I got flaked on, I had the chick eating out of my hand by ignoring her until the next day.

    Unfortunately, she didn’t look nearly as good in the restaurant as she had in the club when I met her, going from an HB8 to a higher-vintage-than-I-had-thought HB6, so the out-of-my-handing eat was merely figurative. She was all nervous, though, and when I decided to go home right after dinner, on my way home I got a text about what a great time she had, etc.

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  24. on April 6, 2012 at 12:16 am sam

    I dont think its Alpha to get angry or Alpha to pardon her…if it was an ugly girl who you werent really interested in, you might very well have insulted her..and never called her back. But the negativity of calling a girl on it ruins any vibe, and her flaking on you makes you a loser for continuing to pursue her(so why arent you angry she flaked??) better just to say ohh im soo sorry I didnt show up because–insert excuse here– at the first communication you have with her afterwards. Then she doesnt feel bad/awkward and you can start again, if you so desire. However rather than trying to salvage things..I think your energy is better spent setting things up so that she really wants to come/ or making it difficult to flake. “Hmm I dont know you seem like one of those flaky girls-If we set this up are you going to show up?(yes of course Im not flaky!)” Or calling 1/2-1 hr early to say you’re going to be late(which is really just a reminder to her and her chance to back out if she really wants/needs to). But anyways this is still bad behaviour so she should lose appropriate points in your mind. Women do notice it when all of a sudden you’ve lost interest. Alot of times calling a girl on her bad behaviour is best done in a more subtle ways by friend zoning them, or I always like the line..”you know I dont think I’m the guy for you” (which they always correctly interpret as “I dont think you’re the girl for me”). Nothing can be more attention grabbing to a woman than when a guy gets turned off after having experiences with her.

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  25. on April 6, 2012 at 1:07 am walawala

    I’ve tried both techniques: calling out and one of the more “strategic” approaches.

    The “Strategic” approach always works but takes much more patience and an ability to set aside any “emotions”: anger, frustration, pride etc that you may have.

    When I used the “Please. no gameplaying” with a younger girl I was gaming, it totally backfired. She got defensive, and it made me seem like I was taking this unspoken thing between us more seriously than she was.

    In another situation, a girl I was gaming flaked by texting me 2 hours before we were supposed to meet up saying she was “sick” and couldnt make it.

    I waited until about 10 minutes after we were supposed to meet and replied: “Oh, just got this. If we meet up again, you’re buying.”

    She replied…in 10 minutes with some cutesy thing about breaking open her piggy bank.

    I ignored her at a party. She replied saying I was “rude”….

    A few weeks AFTER that I texted her about paying for those drinks. We did go out. She paid for drinks. I gamed her, then suddenly thanked her and left.

    I met her a few weeks AFTER that…she was totally eating out of my hand saying “You left so soon, I had something important to tell you.”

    ME: If it was so important you would have chased after me, I’m a busy guy…

    Her; laughing, giggly etc etc.

    This back and forth coupled with me doing whatever I want in between demonstrates 1) I have options 2) I don’t care 3) if we do meet up it’s on my terms. Somehow she gets turned on by this.

    In another case I girl I gamed but perhaps was too slow on has replied to a random text of mine with:

    “You are so boring”.

    I have not replied to that but if I meet up with her again, plan to just play it totally cool, not acknowledge and just pick up where we left off….

    Men are more logical we’re always trying to even the score.

    Women seem to have a much more fluid concept of time. They react according to the current stimulus. That’s why I’m discovering that game techniques work so well.

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    • on April 8, 2012 at 1:57 pm walawala

      Oh….and an update…So I met this girl Saturday night for a drink.

      She was completely dolled up but since she’s a flight attendant, hadn’t eaten and was tired, she was fading.

      I invited her back to my place for whatever I had in the fridge….

      She suggested something “nearby”…Didn’t blink an eye, found some other place.

      As we were walking, the kino I had been initiating worked.

      She put her arms around me, held my hand.

      We had dinner, drinks, then outside, I just grabbed her and started making out. Stopped and said…”That was a great choice for a restaurant….”

      Her: Hamster spinning, gina tingles : “Sorry, what was it we were talking about?”

      Me: more make out…

      THe confidence thing is vital. But not acting pissed off is also confusing. You can decide to stick around….or leave.

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  26. on April 6, 2012 at 2:53 am Tobias est Forte

    I’m definitely leaning towards the demote method.

    One of the first things I learned from this blog is that you either have to have so many things going on, or act like you do.

    With the former, you stop caring about trivial BS like HB no. 2 flaking on you and just do something else with your alpha time. Obviously this raises your percieved value as you clearly have an interesting life. The latter only helps with your DHV, but that is the important thing here.

    So, demote and continue trying to nail that awesome guitar solo you discovered the other day.

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  27. on April 6, 2012 at 3:57 am Anonymous

    Of course, now there’s validating selfish “I’m not haaapy!” bad behavior on her part…

    “When It’s Just Another Fight, and When It’s Over,” by Elizabeth Bernstein, Wall Street Journal via Yahoo! News, 3 Apr 2012
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/just-another-fight-over-040100241.html

    “A new type of therapy, called ‘discernment counseling,’ breaks with traditional couples counseling, which seeks to solve relationship problems. Instead, discernment counseling, … aims to help struggling couples decide whether to divorce or remain married. …”

    God. Help. Us.

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  28. on April 6, 2012 at 4:08 am Aspie Nerd

    Much of this post is actually basic behaviorist psychology.
    Behaviors that are rewarded, are increased; behaviors that are punished, are decreased, right? but how does a girl interpret a punishment like scolding?
    Chances are that she’ll associate the scolding with her most recent behavior.
    If she ignores you for a day and then she texts/calls you, then she’ll associate your scolding with her texting/calling, not with the day spent ignoring you.
    Hence, scolding is out — and in this case, I’d avoid teasing as well, which is pretty close to scolding. Ignoring, misdirecting, and demoting are the ways to go.

    If you are in a position to scold/tease immediately after her problem behavior, then go for it. But again, behaviorism predicts that scolding can be a problem when she does not know you well: she will probably associate the scolding with being with you, not with her problem behavior. So use teasing, at least until she starts enjoying being with you.

    Incidentally, everything I wrote here could also be used by women trying to correct men’s problem behaviors.

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  29. on April 6, 2012 at 5:28 am Anonymous

    Great post and responses.

    One thing not mentioned, however, is that this is yet another area in which feminist culture causes women to behave differently from in the natural world. I’ve lived around the world so I can tell the difference.

    While appearing butthurt is something a man should always avoid, women who haven’t been taught feminism generally respond properly to being dressed down. Also, younger women respond better to an authoritarian rebuke than old women in their mid-twenties (who cares if a woman over 25 flakes).

    Even then, it’s feminism that causes a woman to not take responsibility for her actions by admitting to herself and to you that it was wrong of her to flake.

    Feminism teaches them not to take responsibility for the anger their flaking might have provoked (responsibility for their own actions, not the man’s).

    I just saw this juxtaposition in behavior recently. A few weeks ago I wanted to do some spring cleaning of attractive online “friends” I’d never actually met. I proposed that two of them give me their phone numbers and meet up with me. When the request was ignored in both cases, I politely wrote back that I had a policy of unfriending those people that would not want to meet me once (note I said “people” in order to show that the policy had nothing to with my wanting or needing sex).

    The 24 year old, who was beginning to get lines on her face and who I’d noticed had been exposed to feminist writings, ended up sending me two furious rants about how I was “full of myself” for expecting a social media friend to actually want to meet with me.

    I’m not making that up. I defriended her in response, thanking her for letting me know about her negative outlook. She responded to the defriending, apparently, by blocking me, which I noticed casually long afterward.

    The 19 year old who I knew had not been exposed to feminist writings (couldn’t speak English well despite being smarter than the 24 year old that could speak English well), wrote to me that she had been flaking because she was worried that we’d meet but not have anything to talk about. It was easy to deal with this objection once it had been made and then we had a great couple of dates. What was important is that she had responded well to my email telling her that I was going to have to defriend her if she wouldn’t meet me.

    The notice of imminent defriending showed no butthurtedness but, rather, pointed out “You see the other female friends in my friend list? Every one of them would meet me on a moment’s notice because they are real friends in real life”.

    Doing that shouldn’t be a bluff. You really shouldn’t keep any female in your online friend list (viewable to others) that wouldn’t meet with you on short notice.

    Also, only a man-hater would consider it to be arrogant or “full of himself” if a man stated matter of factly that the women in his public “friend list” are real, honest to goodness friends.

    Remember that feminists are taught by a White Knighter culture to see any criticism as butthurtedness.

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 2:25 pm Just a Girl

      Facial lines at 24? The thought scares me.

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  30. on April 6, 2012 at 5:50 am rek

    I like this place.

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  31. on April 6, 2012 at 7:35 am DMC

    “Ignore” should always be the default response if you’re not sure. No sense “teasing” a flake unless you’re really interested. Mild interest, why bother?

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    • on April 8, 2012 at 12:08 pm Hung One On You

      100% correct. I’ve tried all the approaches. And with the exception of “ignore” you look like a total dumb ass using all the other options. Maybe you can get away with “sounds good.” but then again, you look like you are cool with some chick disrespecting you.

      Ignore gets the hamster running. I love when they will follow up with “did you get my text? can’t make it.” Then i just ignore some more. Then maybe I’ll float a text the next day, “hey, just got your message, no worries on not making it….we will have to catch up another time.”

      God – i LOVE ignoring….because so few guys do it.

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  32. on April 6, 2012 at 9:27 am Anonymous

    Good post. Made these mistakes too many times

    What used to get me about flakes was the outrageous obnoxiousness

    How in the world do you

    1. make plans with someone, then
    2. simply not show up
    3. then, not even call the guy you stood up to apologize, or offer an excuse.

    Who can get away with this in daily life? Not many people. Usually only a movie star, an important doctor/ businessman, etc. can even get away with this without repercussions.

    Somehow hot girls between ages of 18-24 get to do it – usually, solely, because they happen to have a “great ass.”

    Savoy gave good explanation for flaking. He said “girls fear social awkwardness like most people fear hand grenades.”

    Girls will do anything to avoid “social awkwardness.” So hot girls will make plans with a new guy they are wishy-washy on. But, leading up to first date, if they have some doubts about whether the social encounter will be “awkward” they will simply NOT SHOW UP.

    To actually tell the guy they have doubts and cancel ahead of time would be socially awkward. But it is NOT socially awkward to simply not show up. Or to send a last minute text with a lame excuse.

    So this is what hot girls often do.

    Decent explanation I think. But a part of me suspects that – like any spoiled celebrity – hot girls simply get off on the attention. They love the fucking attention. There is nothing girls enjoy more than telling other girls about guys they had to blow off.

    They are “in demand” and can pull shit like this – till 25, when they start to hit the wall. Then who will tolerate it?

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    • on April 7, 2012 at 12:08 pm DirkJohanson

      Would it be that last minuet stand-ups and cancellations were more or less restricted to 18-24 YOs. Had it happen to me last when I was meeting a mother and daughter, and the mother is 48, though in that case, it was a little more complicated than just a flaking out, but I fuckin’ drove four hours to South Beach and took a hotel to meet him, and we’d planned it for months, confirmed etc. – and I’ve known the mother over 30 years)

      The time before the broad was 46.

      The broad that flaked on Ron Jeremy is 39.

      My theory is that most of the time, they just get what they perceive to be a better offer, which most of the time is probably the guy they think is their boyfriend calling them at the last minute to go out when he got similarly flaked on or didn’t find weekend plans.

      Which brings me what I believe is the best way to avoid flaking, which is to try to avoid making plans with chicks you’ve never gone out with before for a weekend night. Not that all flaking occurs on weekend nights, but I find this works fairly well.

      Ultimately, figuring out why chicks flake is key. Last year, I had a single mother I’d gone out with one time months before, flake on me because she hadn’t heard from me in a few days, called me when I was in the shower getting ready, didn’t get an answer, and canceled because she didn’t want to get stuck paying for a babysitter for no reason. I did not hide my disappointment when I called her back. We went out a few days later and she fucked me within about an hour, though the fact that I was paying her a nice chunk of change of course did not hurt.

      Of course, sometimes chicks with the best of intentions cancel – like when their period starts and they were figuring they were going to fuck you, or if they come down with diarrhea or bad cramps. I think about how many times chicks I’ve been seeing had cramps or got their period so we didn’t go out, or changed our plans – it happens. Its not good form to bring a chick on the rag to a swingers club no matter how eager they may be to fuck and suck anyway, so…

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      • on April 9, 2012 at 8:16 am Anonymous

        But is anybody making money on this blog?

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  33. on April 6, 2012 at 10:13 am Hung One On You

    I’ve called chicks out who have blown me off. Doesn’t work and looking back it makes you look totally stupid. Makes you look way OVER invested. The best strategy is to just simply ignore their text. People HATE to be ignored. They want a response. They want validation that they are worth more than you and by responding nicely you are giving them that validation, by responding angrily, you are showing way too much investment in a person you haven’t fucked.

    So when she flakes, just don’t respond. When she bails, don’t respond.

    It’s fail safe.
    1.) because it keeps the girl alive for a restart text down the road.
    2.) preserves your value as a man of options who doesn’t give a shit that she doesnt’ want to hang out which in turn gets her hamster running again.

    Don’t ever respond to a girl flaking on you. Ever!

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  34. on April 6, 2012 at 11:09 am DiavoloBello

    I did the “sorry, that text was meant for somebody else” over the weekend. Works well.

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  35. on April 6, 2012 at 11:34 am Johnnyc

    I agree with combining the ignore and demote. If I offer for a girl to spend the day with me on my day off, and she doesn’t show, I place her on the backburner and concentrate on someone else. I Never mention them spending time with me again, but continue to have brief conversations with them when they call. Later on they will mention “that we need to get together sometime, but I don’t seem to be interested in hanging out.”
    Only when they bring that up, I say something along the lines of “since you left me hanging that one time, I’ve been hanging with someone else that is able to take every few weeks on my day off .
    If all goes right, or in this particular instance, here reply was, ” Oh, I’m sorry I ended up having to work that one time I left you hanging. Let me know your next day off you don’t have anything going on and I’ll come over…….SOOOO,
    who the Hell you spending all your free time with, is it serious???

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  36. on April 6, 2012 at 12:02 pm zack

    Alpha of the month?

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7779961/bobby-petrino-arkansas-razorbacks-placed-paid-leave-apologizes-relationship

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  37. on April 6, 2012 at 12:40 pm tspark156

    Replies to a text flake;

    no probs I was planning to stand you up.

    who the fuck are you?

    if you keep stalking me ima call the cops.

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  38. on April 6, 2012 at 12:43 pm LD

    Aminos are a massive help to counteract catabolic muscle inhibition, good call above….on topic, the closer she is to egg expiry, the more you can say/do anything you want to her, otherwise ya gotta spellbind them bitches BEFORE getting all manly and devil may care. Even then don’t overplay that shit or you’ll become ‘boring’ instead of sufficiently sociopathic to keep her beefwell juicy.

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  39. on April 6, 2012 at 12:44 pm James

    Heartiste,

    “The idea here was to rattle the girls with a strong, but non-needy, alpha display that they normally didn’t experience from most men they flaked on. In theory, it sounded plausible. However, in practice it was a total failure. None of the girls ever replied to my stern rebukes.”

    Your rebukes came off as butthurt. I’m not sure it’s possible to come off otherwise to a near stranger. I think the rebuke has a much better chance to land if you go with your first option (ignore her) and rebuke her when/if she calls. This way, instead of you reacting to her behaviour you are simply minding your own life, completely independent of her actions, and the rebuke will come off as someone swatting away a fly rather than someone genuinely upset he wasn’t graced with her majesty’s presence.

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  40. on April 6, 2012 at 1:08 pm Hero

    Got a good result with a tease last night.

    I had been texting a girl I used to work with who moved away. About six months ago she went dark. I’ve sent her a few texts over that time with no response.

    Three days ago I get a mass text from her that says “I can’t remember who I’ve told. This is my new number…”
    I respond the next day “New number?”
    No response from her.
    The day after that I try the tease angle. I text “-5 points for you. Cancel all my appointments” (she does hair in a salon now)
    Within an hour she responds “Haha”

    The tease managed to get a response form a girl that hadn’t heard from in six months.

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  41. on April 6, 2012 at 1:08 pm YaReally

    Tyler Durden laid it all out for everyone back in 2003:

    http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/end/pr/428.html

    “Now when it comes to the idea that “if a girl disrespects me I’ll NEXT her”, that isn’t my frame at all. To me, you can’t NEXT a girl who you haven’t slept with. In my view, that’s just her NEXT’ing you. It’s only a girl that I’m already with that I’ll do this to if she annoys me or crosses my boundaries.”

    Read those 4 pages, it’s all broken down for you guys.

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    • on April 7, 2012 at 12:31 pm Anon

      Gold stuff.

      Tyler D is Chuck Norris’ real dad.

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  42. on April 6, 2012 at 1:10 pm beta_plus

    What a great post. To have know these 10 years ago.

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  43. on April 6, 2012 at 2:24 pm Uradyke15

    This is actually a good post for me to ask this question

    Been gaming a russian girl, and all details aside, lately its been heating up and shes been investing more. Shes been consistently texting me out of the blue, investing in rapport, and had invited me out with her and our mutual friends. Attractions there.

    I had a very frustrating night last night. We had been texting on and off all day and into the evening, fun playful stuff. Early in the day i introduced this theme of me basically being her master, and her needing punishment for her behavior. To which she replied

    “Oh no please spare me just this once master!.”

    Then I would tell her “no you will be punished and deeply enjoy it, or else more punishment.” (Actually proud of that one feel free to use it.). Her next text was gold.

    “I kinda like being punished”

    so i thought hell yeah! sexual game on. right?

    Well later that evening i was trying to push the envelope and get a bit more sexual or explicit and told her i was going to spank her like an unruly child. And then she just flat out told me I’m… quote…”gettin aggressive”

    I tried not to backpedal too much in case it was a shit test. So all i said was, my mistake, i thought you were enjoying it.”

    She says “Sometimes”

    Then i just said goodnight and bailed.

    Maybe its not relevant, but earlier i was building comfort and we were talking about turn offs, and she said aggressive guys, rude, etc ect.

    It all just puzzled the fuck outta me.

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 4:27 am Anonymous

      After she wrote she liked to be punished, it was time to call her on the phone.

      I’ve found the hottest women consider it weak, after a point, for the man to keep texting.

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  44. on April 6, 2012 at 2:41 pm V

    In a situation where a girl texts you back “late” or the next day and says yes… How sure can you be that she even saw your text immediately in the first place? Maybe she didn’t even see your message until just before she replied.

    I’ll often go out and leave my phone at home. My phone does not get reception in my office at work and usually not when I’m driving. I could be in the shower or away from my phone when someone texts me… and I don’t notice until way later.

    Though it does seem like lots of girls are glued to their phones, there very well may be legitimate reasons for not receiving an immediate response. It may not mean anything at all or have anything to do with you whatsoever. My friends get this from me quite a bit… but I’m not blowing them off or disrespecting them. I have other things to do than stare at my phone waiting for people to text me so I can respond.

    If she responds back and says yes, just take it as a yes and go with it. Seems to me the best default option is:
    Ignore:
    Self-explanatory. A girl texts you a day later, you don’t immediately reply, and you don’t let her know that her tardiness even registered in your consciousness. You act like this is just how girls are, and they deserve no better in return. Proceed as if nothing is wrong.

    Proceed as if nothing is wrong. Because it is very possible that nothing is wrong at all. As heartiste said, “…calling girls out for crappy behavior is counter-productive in the early stages of a seduction or dating trajectory.”
    This would be even more true if, in fact, nothing is wrong and it’s all in your head.

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 4:26 am Anonymous

      True – She could also be living with another guy and really want to cheat on him with you but can’t be seen texting you until the next day at work.

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  45. on April 6, 2012 at 2:47 pm whorefinder

    I called a girl out for bad behavior.

    With an AK-47.

    Seriously, though, the best way to deal with bad behavior from a woman is Dog Whisperer-style.

    Ignore, alpha-posture, do not respond. If she escalates, let her know who’s in charge.

    Sexercise, discipline, THEN affection.

    Caesar is my homeboy.

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  46. on April 6, 2012 at 2:55 pm admin

    I need some Chateau alpha’s to post a reaction here.

    Wife cheated at conference!

    http://alphagauntlet.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2

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  47. on April 6, 2012 at 4:17 pm AlphaBeta

    This is why it was originally called “game” 20 years ago by blacks:

    1. Girls you don’t know only exist for your entertainment

    2. Don’t take girls you don’t know seriously

    3. Girls don’t *want* you to take them seriously

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  48. on April 6, 2012 at 4:28 pm corvinus

    Girls who flake really don’t give a sh*t. Having had an HB7 girlfriend who spoils me has made me very intolerant of bad behavior from women, and made their apathy crystal clear. Especially after reading this blog, never again will I ever get one-itis or try to chase women who don’t really want to be with me.

    So… demote. All the way.

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  49. on April 6, 2012 at 4:43 pm Wudang

    Calling women out on bad behavior is a service to your fellow man. We should all sacrifice at least some pussy as part of our duty to each other to make women improve their behavior.

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  50. on April 6, 2012 at 5:59 pm Peacemaker

    Like I said in yesterday’s post…

    Calling out any behavior you don’t like at the start of seduction is fatal. It shows you’ve never encountered that behavior before and your lack of experience (game is based on experience). Its better to proceed as if it doesn’t matter, unless the behavior is blatantly disrespectful.

    However, once she’s fallen under your spell, you can begin to mold her and correct the smaller faux pas.

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  51. on April 6, 2012 at 7:02 pm Ollie

    “But 70 per cent of girls said they would prefer to date a man who earned more than them.”
    ……aaaand the other 30 percent either won’t admit it or are looking for some on the side.

    Hypergamy strikes again.

    So much for the “female breadwinner”.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2126093/Womens-idea-perfect-man-A-6ft–48k-year–beer-drinking-meat-eater-Audi.html#ixzz1rIumdIqo

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2126093/Womens-idea-perfect-man-A-6ft–48k-year–beer-drinking-meat-eater-Audi.html

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  52. on April 6, 2012 at 7:08 pm Anonymous2

    Discipline, respect, and honor were once very sexy things to women, because these traits remind them of their fathers. Freud would explain it in detail.

    This doesn’t work anymore, for obvious reasons.

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  53. on April 6, 2012 at 7:11 pm dragnet

    “I’m finding it harder to add reps to my pull-ups than weight to my squats.”

    Every lifter reaches a plateau with the pull-ups eventually. You have a few options:

    1) Switch to different exercises for awhile that target the same muscle group (i.e., lat pulldowns, etc) and then come back to pull-ups in a few weeks

    2) Pull with your back as opposed to your arms. Close your eyes and try to keep your arms as still possible and really focus on pulling up with your lats (assuming you’re using the pronated grip). And pull the bar toward your chest instead of your neck. Establishing that mind-muscle connection is what helped me break through several plateaus.

    3) Do sets of pull-ups more often. Instead of once weekly—try twice or thrice.

    You’re welcome.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 7:12 pm dragnet

      My suggestions assume you are already taking in sufficient calories and supplementing with whey.

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  54. on April 6, 2012 at 7:56 pm Splendid

    >> A girl will never — I mean NEVER — accept that she bears responsiblity for her poor behavior.

    Howdy H, long-time lurker here. The quoted line struck me funny at first because you generally try to be precise, differentiate between statistical likelihoods and the possibility of outliers, and take the time to illuminate women’s virtues as well as flaws. Then I recalled that Jack Nicholson movie where he plays a writer and someone asks him how he can write women so well, and he replies (paraphrased): “I think of a man, and take away reason and accountability.”

    Anyway, the upshot is I think a puzzle piece may have fallen into place for me. Time will tell. At any rate, thanks for the “free ice cream” of the blog posts and please keep up the good work.

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 9:37 am GeishaKate

      As Good as It Gets

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  55. on April 6, 2012 at 9:38 pm carolyn

    happy easter to all!

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  56. on April 6, 2012 at 9:49 pm xsplat

    Sometimes a flake is a way to string a guy along, in order to get free attention. In that case the punishment is withdrawing attention.

    I had one case of a girl who kept contacting me, setting up dates to come visit, and then showing up. I got to the point where I’d agree but then just go out hunting anyway, as her canceled dates were cockblocking my life. One day she invited me to meet her and her friend at the disco, and I just told her “No. Either come to my house and fuck me right now or I’ll never talk to you again”.

    I never did get another fuck out of her, but I had to push her face in it. She was trying to play me, and was a cruel and heartless petite little cover model. I’d fucked her once but with a style reserved for more hearty girls, and she hurt for a few days from the pounding, and had vowed to herself never to fuck me again, but instead to try to play me for fun and profit. Later she tried to hit me up for abortion money, and I refused.

    So from that extreme example I learned to not be a play toy mouse for a cat. A girl who flakes is cock blocking your hunting; this is why men learn to double or triple schedule and then cancel on girls instead.

    Withhold attention from flakes, because attention is their reward. Sometimes they are deliberately trying to piss you off. Reward them with the knowledge that you are fucking other girls.

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    • on April 6, 2012 at 9:52 pm xsplat

      “setting up dates to come visit, and then not showing up.”

      “Sometimes they are deliberately trying to piss you off, and mess with your game“.

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  57. on April 7, 2012 at 2:38 am don't ask

    The only correct response :

    F— you.

    It is an inner game thing. Instant transformation from being a guy who gets flaked on to a guy who tells beautiful women to f— off. After the first 3 or 4 times the flaking will magically stop.

    Best of all the 9s and 10s will respond to the f— you msg.

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  58. on April 7, 2012 at 10:43 am D.C.

    Crazy… they arrested Hooker for an alleged “assault” 14, yes 14, years ago on a 17 year old female “victim.” Funny how when it’s a male teenager, many commenters to these types of stories will post things like “lucky kid” and “why didn’t I have teachers like this when I was in school” but when it involves a female, the guy is a dirty pervert who needs to be punished to the fullest extent of the law. The double standard is ridiculous. But it’s even more ridiculous that a minor offense like engaging in consensual sex with somebody just months prior to entering legal adulthood and who is already fully sexually developed and more than capable of saying no apparently has no statute of limitations.

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    • on April 7, 2012 at 10:44 am D.C.

      Just to clarify, I’m referring to James Hooker. The alpha teacher who resigned from his job and left his aging wife for the 18-year-old hottie.

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  59. on April 7, 2012 at 11:45 am Charles

    Well thanks for the advice. Question though, if I’ve been sleeping with a girl for two months or so (still not really a relationship – this is college after all), but it turns out that she slept with my best friend since childhood, do I call her out on it? Do I call him out on it?

    Unsure of how to proceed without coming across as angry and insecure…

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    • on April 8, 2012 at 12:23 pm DiamondEyes

      Call her out? Smack the bitch across the mouth and never speak to her or your worthless friend again.

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 4:08 am Anonymous

      I really don’t understand the concept that a female can sleep with a guy more than once and not consider that a relationship. I can understand a man thinking that way. Has feminism gone that far in the US with “Sex and the City” thinking being some kind of norm?

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 12:13 pm Passingby

      Is this a joke? Have you learned nothing here?

      If you and your friend are indifferent to sexually sharing women, fine. Remain buddies with him. But if there is a gal in your future that is off limits to him, make sure she knows it and HE knows it too.

      But this particular girl is nothing more than a friendly person who you have sex with when it is convenient and you have nothing better to do with your time. Be friendly, be polite, but don’t ever, ever, ever, ever, consider making this woman your girlfriend or (god, forbid) your wife. don’t give a thought to who else she is having sex with. You should not care.

      If you make that awful mistake of getting into any relationship with her, she will be banging five guys a month behind your back, while you wonder what happened to your sex life with her. You will be the unsexed cuckold, mi amigo, plodding on, wondering why your romantic gestures gets you no action.

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  60. on April 7, 2012 at 12:45 pm Anon

    Cracking the code of the female brain continues.

    I still count my blessings knowing all this chateau stuff. And may god help the clueless betas out there, because no one else will.

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  61. on April 7, 2012 at 12:53 pm Holden Caulfield

    Man, older women really HATE younger women, but they take it out on men:

    http://shine.yahoo.com/love-sex/police-ex-teacher-arrested-sex-abuse-minor-222800199.html

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 4:15 am Anonymous

      It’s wrong if the manosphere stays relatively quiet about this.

      This is a full-blown attack on men (not just the alpha, Hooker). We were all discussing this in these blogs a few weeks ago.

      Now they have attacked full bore, using the police and prosecutor’s office which the feminist enemy controls.

      Sickening.

      Even more sickening if the manosphere stays relatively quiet about it.

      California isn’t supposed to actually enforce the idea that 17 is illegal when that’s legal in Nevada and most of the rest of the world.

      That’s fascism in it’s purist form.

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      • on April 9, 2012 at 4:18 am Anonymous

        That said, Hooker shouldn’t have remained in California

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  62. on April 7, 2012 at 1:53 pm Prince2

    Follow Ceaser style on tv > apply it on dogs, women and children.

    Priceless!

    I was telling some friends same stuff but they haven’t got it.

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  63. on April 7, 2012 at 3:40 pm Madras

    Decent advice, but kind of missing the point…if a girl flakes, you probably already messed up at some point. Your pick up wasnt that good, or your Match profile had something off about it…my point being, I doubt too many girls flake on guys that they otherwise wouldve slept with that night.

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  64. on April 7, 2012 at 3:42 pm Anonymous

    “Women who think extending fertility will revamp their sex lives are in for a rude surprise: fresh eggs != fresh faces”

    Yes, but this doesn’t discount that science could eventually develop genuine age reversal technology.

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  65. on April 7, 2012 at 3:56 pm Anonymous

    “Maybe its not relevant, but earlier i was building comfort and we were talking about turn offs, and she said aggressive guys, rude, etc ect.

    It all just puzzled the fuck outta me.”

    The reality is that women want aggressiveness but not *too* aggressive. This is one reason why black men often have problems with Game. Or why, despite popular belief, low-IQ blue-collar men have problems seducing higher-IQ women.

    That being said, it also depends on the woman. As Heartiste posted previously, more feminine women are turned off by “hard game”, whereas more masculine women require it.

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    • on April 8, 2012 at 6:57 am whorefinder

      Yeah, the problem with black guys is that they don’t know how to act civilized, given that society allows them to act like little children and be rewarded with jobs because of it. So when women reject their overly-aggressive-childish game—which society has never degraded before—they get very upset and throw temper-tantrums.

      Still, lefties will try to sell the whole “black man as aristocratic uber-intelligent soulful lover” routine. And a lot of lefties will buy it.

      Much like they buy the Trayvon-Martin-was-a-good-kid routine.

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  66. on April 8, 2012 at 10:34 am Onder

    What usually works for me is that i do 2 things:

    1) Let them know from the outset that i’m a busy man and only do things through schedules and bookings (Learned this through work). So in effect,, i’m letting them know indirectly that my time is valuable.

    2) Make it clear to let me know a day in advance if their plans change or wants to cancel so i can make readjustments to my schedule.

    Doing it this way has worked for me 95% of the time.

    The issue of a girl delaying her texts is pretty obvious. If you have loads of girls on the go at any one time, you wouldn’t notice the delay and would in fact welcome it in order to cater to the other girls who are more responsive and up for it.

    It’s definitely an issue to beginners and guys starting out however as you won’t have as much options in the beginning. But the lesson here is to understand that being busy with your life is extremely important.

    Have stuff going on that fulfills you and make that your main goal. Over time, the girls will start sensing this and will begin to realise that if they’re not willing to put in the work, they will never be an important part of your life. So the ball will be in their court, not yours.

    It’s all about switching focus.

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  67. on April 8, 2012 at 12:10 pm James Hooker

    We’ll they finally got me guys! The feminists and white knight politicians were so furious over me plundering some teen pussy they cooked up some bullshit rape story from 14 years ago to nail me with.

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 10:37 am Anonymous

      Worst of all for alphas living in the US should know they won’t be able to trust the legal (in most of the world) women themselves not to be “turned” by the enemy. The fact that she turned might say something about him not being all that alpha or it could be a fundamental sickness in the American culture.

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  68. on April 8, 2012 at 12:22 pm Ovid

    Off topic post. Easter Sunday. One of only two days I typically attend Mass (Catholic). The other is Christmas Eve. Do it to please the folks, and the home cooked meals are well worth it. (Hey, free food is free food.)

    Middle- to upper-middle class parish. Here’s what I’m seeing. Young girls in stripper shoes. EVERYWHERE. Short skirts galore. Cougars, married and single, on the prowl. Tight dresses and skirts partout. More cleavage and cosmetics than a brothel, A slight uptick in WF/NWM couples. Male cohort becoming progressively more betaized by the season. Some lame attempts at metrosexuality/peacocking. Walking into a Church is almost like walking into a club these days.

    Wish the eagle eye of CH could have been there to analyse the scene further. Nothing like spreading debauchery and perversion wherever possible.

    Anybody else out there noticing anything similar?

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 11:23 am Dr. Murray F. Rottencrotch

      See you guys in church. I’m devout like that.

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 12:25 pm ABS

      I’ve noticed the same in the few visits I’ve made to a synagogue in the past 10 years or so. Last time I went, which is probably 3 years ago already, there was a big sign at the entrance to the room about what guys had to wear – jackets, ties, yarmulkes, I think even a talis cuz it was a Saturday morning. Nothing about what women have to wear.

      A 40-something woman a few rows ahead was half-naked in some kind of slinky outfit, displaying a giant shoulder tattoo, even though tattoos are prohibited by Jewish law.

      If there was an upside to that morning, the rabbi decided to ask the audience’s opinion about Obamacare, and, if I recall correctly, the only people who spoke who were NOT vehemently against it were the rabbi, cantor, and the former rabbi’s widow. It was kind of entertaining to see the audience rebel against the libtard clergy.

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      • on April 11, 2012 at 1:32 am Ben

        I can’t talk, but woman shabbos wear is pretty bad in my wealthy enclave.

        Was it conservative or orthodox?

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      • on April 11, 2012 at 11:11 am ABS

        Not orhodox, probably conservative.

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 1:57 pm mikephilly18@yahoo.com

      I got stuck attending a 3 hour mass for Easter and let me tell you, my eyes glanced downward more than a few times. In my case, He shall rise indeed.

      Ditto on the skirts being a little too tight and provocative. It definitely left enough of an impression for me to want to heft up their dress, throw them over a pew, and start giving them some wood. Catholic girls dig that shit.

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  69. on April 8, 2012 at 1:03 pm Turk

    A girl generally won’t flake on you if you gamed her right or she asked for your phone number when push came to shove at the end of your interaction.

    Regardless I was out last night and this 7.5 in skimpy short and high heels looking pretty hot on the night, obviously wet for me and tries to chat me up in unisex toilets of some club. All she could come up with was “Are you Iranian?”. I didn’t even bother turning to face her as I know if I spit some weak line to some girl I had the hots for, she would friend me in an instant.

    It’s pretty annoying when you know that girls have shit game and most of the time expect entertainment as if it’s their right. Even when it comes to sex, they just sit back and take it without making half as much effort as men.

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  70. on April 8, 2012 at 1:04 pm John Rambo

    I got the following hateful email from a woman named Kathy Grandt, from Port Richey, Florida, after she had received a link to my Boycott American Women blog. Here it is:

    From: Kathy Grandt
    To: John Rambo
    Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:48 PM
    Subject: Re: Boycott American Women

    JOHN RAMBO IS A FUCKING ASSHOLE! HOPEFULLY HE DOES NOT LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY AND IF HE DOES, HE SHOULD BE SHOT IN FRONT OF A FIRING SQUAD MADE UP OF STRICTLY AMERICAN WOMEN!!!

    WOW. So if a man decides to NOT marry an American woman, he should be shot and murdered?

    THIS IS HOW HATEFUL, SEXIST, AND EVIL AMERICAN WOMEN HAVE BECOME. I suggest you write to Kathy and ask her why she is promoting MURDER of MEN? She is one sick woman, for sure. If anyone can track down where she works, we can also write to her employer and ask them why they are employing a woman who thinks it is okay to murder men.

    Here is her email: kwolv1@yahoo.com
    Here is her Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001131547214

    The name of her daughter is Christina Costantino, and her daughter’s Facebook profile is here: http://www.facebook.com/ccostantino1
    Christina’s email is: lilcc2002@yahoo.com
    I suggest you write to her daughter and ask her why her mother has such deep hatred for men that she thinks it is okay to murder men.

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    • on April 11, 2012 at 1:34 am Ben

      Fight the power. One fuck at a time.

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      • on April 11, 2012 at 1:35 am Ben

        Both of my non-western women implore you too (I told them to and they said “Yes!”)

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  71. on April 8, 2012 at 6:22 pm Anonymous

    Women think it is funny to keep men waiting (one form of bad behavior).

    One way to fight this is to set a time limit whenever you contact a girl that behaves as such, and mean it.

    It doesn’t matter the communication method, just establish “I’ll wait until XX:XX and not a minute later. If you don’t reply by then, goodbye forever.”

    Just don’t enforce this and then go back. You’ll look ridiculous, so really mean it when you use it.

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  72. on April 8, 2012 at 7:01 pm Maya

    Dear CH,

    can you read this: http://www.rooshv.com/drama-vodka-sex-and-blood

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  73. on April 8, 2012 at 10:52 pm DirkJohanson

    Grothman for President? http://www.care2.com/causes/wisconsin-equal-pay-law-repealed-because-money-is-more-important-for-men.html

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 10:11 am Anonymous

      The feminists know it’s true.

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 2:11 pm Tooters

      The hamster is strong in the comments there. Massive white knight manginas and deluded females (as if there are any other kind).

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  74. on April 8, 2012 at 11:10 pm Capsaicin

    Jordan Powers breaks up with James Hooker after former teacher arrested

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/jordan-powers-breaks-james-hooker-teacher-arrested-article-1.1057855

    Shocking…

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 10:54 am Anonymous

      In another country it would be shocking. This kind of disloyalty after a predictable “frame” arrest was not something anyone here predicted. And the charge in the frame is that, when he was 26, a 17 year old liked him? I would have thought she’d be ready for those kind of shenanigans.

      The comments in The Daily News remind me not to ever bother living in New York where 17 is legal but the people are primed and ready for new laws apparently. White Knighting is apparently still in fashion. As every man reading this gets another year older and another year older, but you’d still like a legal solid 9 or two, you are seeing that your “fellow citizens” will become more and more your mortal enemies under the current media regime.

      The commenters are sheep, but sheep with fangs and more dangerous than in any other country.

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      • on April 9, 2012 at 11:12 am Anonymous

        One could argue that the USA is the most dangerous country for alphas in the world. In this case an alpha might try to feel safe by reasoning that Hooker wasn’t really alpha and, therefore, couldn’t keep the loyalty of Powers under even these predictable circumstances. But you can hear the sound of your own hamster spinning if you’re thinking you’re safe to date younger, hotter, tighter in the once great country where the police and courts and media and even online commenters are now mind-controlled by the feminists.

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      • on April 9, 2012 at 12:26 pm itsme

        nah, plenty of older guys date younger hotter tighter girls without going to jail.

        hooker just went about it wrong.

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 12:22 pm itsme

      i don’t think anybody could have saw this coming. i mean, she said she was in love with him, right? whatever happened to respect, commitment, and standing by your man?

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 3:34 pm Anon

      It proves that hooker was not alpha enough.

      I remember the debate between H and some disagreeing readers about that.
      I’m convinced that attracting fresh pussy once in a blue moon is not enough to join the alpha club. James hooker is in the greater beta category at best, and being jailed came off as jarringly out of character for his young former lover.

      The rape accusation is most probably bogus, or at least insufficient to sentence him to jail. But the girl is apparently shocked to learn that she wasn’t the only one. Hooker obviously held a soulmate pedestalizing beta kind of frame. And that’s an epic fail. He was not perceived by her as a preselected catch. He was just a wise older man who stumbled upon the right words to say.

      IOW, James Hooker was not supposed to be given that much credit on the manosphere. He was not meant to be an icon. Being jailed is supposed to provide extra tingles for the chick. But instead, she bolted, proving that the guy had no game.

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      • on April 9, 2012 at 3:42 pm Anon

        But it doesn’t mean that the mainstream and feminist reactions were justified. Most bitches were delusional as usual, and the usual whiteknighting manginas proved that they’re still testicle-impaired.

        40-year old guys with 20 year-old chicks should be the norm, as argued by the greek philosophers.

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  75. on April 9, 2012 at 12:25 am James

    Why white knighting is pointless:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/ryan-gosling-actually-historys-greatest-monster.html

    Even when it involves, err, saving your life.

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    • on April 11, 2012 at 1:38 am Ben

      Love it. This quote from the child is fantastic:

      ‘”She objects to “being framed as the ditzy damsel in distress in this story.”‘

      Walks into traffic and is upset about being framed as being “ditzy.”

      Ignore everything women say. Old advice that the world needs to relearn.

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  76. on April 9, 2012 at 3:00 am duskdrop

    I would be very, very, very, careful about dressing down a girl infront of her friends. We may act like flaky women who hate each other, but chances are you are going to stumble across girls like me and my ‘sister’ and you will not end the fight without damage…some people take stuff like that seriously.

    [heartiste: i highly doubt that. most women will not beat even the weakest men in a fight. and that’s a fact, jackie.]

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 10:14 am Anonymous

      The idea that a woman would commit an act of physical violence on a man for correctly pointing out that she violated the norms of social decency? Never in a million years. A White Knighter might “come to her defense” however.

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 11:37 am itsme

      chances are you are going to stumble across girls like me and my ‘sister’ and you will not end the fight without damage

      so take it easy on the testosterone injections.

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 12:42 pm john

      Highly unlikley a Game-Knowledgeable guy would go for a girl like you;you’re probably a man-jawed freak! And…isnt it a bit odd to say you’d “attack: someone for talking to you in a less than worshipful way? How do you get throught life.freak?

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 4:41 pm chi-town

      This is wrong on so many levels. Its so man boobs. Its a yap dog flying through the goal posts. Its a barnyard smell in Manhattan so out of place worse than a polar bear hunting camel. By god if a man around here can strut in high heels, do keep it to yourself.

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      • on April 9, 2012 at 6:56 pm Lara

        I probably wouldn’t hit you full strength, unless you really deserved it.

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      • on April 10, 2012 at 11:37 am chi-town

        I deserve more than being hit at full strength from a roid free double X, and not probably on so many levels.

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  77. on April 9, 2012 at 6:43 am walawala

    What would Draper do? This clip is worth a post itself…

    Here’s how he handles his 26 year old wife who also works for him, going flakey and shit testing him in Season 5 episode 1 of Mad Men….

    He’s just had his 40th birthday party. She staged a surprise party which he hated. The following Monday at work, she goes home early. He senses something’s up and goes home to find out…

    This is how it does down….

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  78. on April 9, 2012 at 9:20 am Holden Caulfield

    This may be posted somewhere in the archives and/or comments but I was wondering if feminists ever complain about the romance novel genre. This whole submitting to a powerful male that every woman finds sexy is clearly against their (illogical) doctrine.
    So,by virtue of being female, do they have the same fantasies (i suspect yes)? If so, how do they reconcile their own feelings with the crap they’re constantly spouting?

    [heartiste: women appear to be immune from cognitive dissonance, almost as if they have two mini-brains acting in concert to keep multiple information flows running uninterrupted, much like what was demonstrated in that study showing how the connection between their conscious desires and their actual vagina tingles is severed.]

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 2:50 pm the_alpha_male

      “I was wondering if feminists ever complain about the romance novel genre.”

      I had a feminist English teacher in grade 12 that used to get angry with the girls who read that stuff.

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      • on April 9, 2012 at 4:28 pm GeishaKate

        I’ll never forget my mom burning Harlequin Romances in our fireplace!!!

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      • on April 9, 2012 at 6:10 pm Firepower

        somehow, I knew
        you had a
        fireplace

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      • on April 10, 2012 at 2:43 pm GeishaKate

        Must be one of your fire powers 😉

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    • on April 11, 2012 at 1:42 am Ben

      Funnily enough, the greater disconnect between what comes out of their sweet little mouths and what they actually want, the more attracted they are.

      E.g.: “No”

      “stop it”

      “you’re hurting me”

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  79. on April 9, 2012 at 10:01 am whorefinder

    God, that woman sounds like a whiny fucking bitch.

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  80. on April 9, 2012 at 11:40 am eric

    Studies indicate obesity doubles a woman’s chances of having a baby with neural tube defects, and even adequate folic acid intake does not fully protect against the increase in risk. Compared with normal-weight women, obese women have a greater risk of developing complications during pregnancy. Their babies are also more likely to be admitted to neonatal intensive care units.

    In a report published today, the public affairs committee of the Teratology Society officially declared obesity a pregnancy risk factor, adding that women should be told about the risk in the same way that they are warned about the dangers of smoking and drinking alcohol during pregnancy. The Teratology Society studies the causes and processes of birth defects to improve diagnosis and prevention

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20060203/obesity-increases-risks-in-pregnancy

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 4:59 pm Nicole

      Ah, more moral panic. Now, thousands of years of trial and error saying that a surplus of fat within reasonable limits is good for fertility is totally wrong, and if you’re fat your kids are going to be retarded.

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      • on April 10, 2012 at 11:38 pm Anonymous

        ….within reasonable limits…….pregnant American women…….hahahahahahaha……reasonable limits……hahahahahahah…….

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      • on April 11, 2012 at 1:44 am Ben

        It’s not just fat that’s “gonna maka ur kidz retarded yo. Ya feels me sista? Fo’reels like.”

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  81. on April 9, 2012 at 12:58 pm Ollie

    Women Cannot Rewind the ‘Biological Clock’:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120405224703.htm

    The wall spares no woman.

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    • on April 11, 2012 at 1:49 am Ben

      Even if physically we can one day, the dejected cougar, bashed by an unthinkable number of annonymous cocks and with a face dripping with a thousand blasts of the ghosts of semen past, is still twisted mentally by cynicism and woman arrogance.

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  82. on April 9, 2012 at 1:15 pm Ollie

    File under 5 minutes of Alpha:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2127259/Genevieve-Sabourin-Canadian-actress-arrested-stalking-30-Rock-star-Alec-Baldwin.html

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  83. on April 9, 2012 at 1:28 pm Ollie

    One more link and I’m done for today (I hope):

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2127260/Why-having-sex-really-IS-best-thing-Gene-mapping-finally-proves-mating-best-way-evolve-self-reproduction.html

    …and the feminazis wept.

    So much for gender being a “meaningless social construct”. It turns out that (duhhhh) there is a biological reason why we and every other higher life form are clearly biologically gendered rather than being neuter drones.

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  84. on April 9, 2012 at 1:59 pm Polymath

    I’ve commented here before on how to deal with flakes:

    Flakers need to be dealt with firmly, early. This is the only way to handle it. The important thing is to convey (and you can convey this jokingly or seriously or by implication, whatever seems like the smoothest way to get the message across) the dual message

    1) I have not forgotten that you flaked
    2) You are going to have to step up in order to meet my standards

    For example, say at the begining of the next date, with a not-completely-serious smirk “I’m expecting twice as much of you tonight, to make up for last time”. Or, say at the end of that date, “That was fun. Giving you another chance was the right decision.”

    If she flakes twice and you give her a third chance a bad pattern has been established and it is much harder to change a pattern than to impose one from the beginning. The very first time she contacts you after the second flake, just be totally upfront and say “I’m not interested in flaky girls”. (NOT “I’m not interested in you” which gives her no hope, you give her the info she needs and she will feel a need to prove herself to you, exactly the right attitude you want her to have.)

    (btw, new post up at my blog)

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  85. on April 9, 2012 at 2:28 pm Anonymous

    Autism linked to obesity in mothers

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/could-autism-be-linked-with-mothers-obesity-during-pregnancy-study-says-it-could-be-a-factor/2012/04/08/gIQAxevS4S_story.html

    feminists wept

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 5:04 pm Nicole

      Could it be that Americans are generally fatter and more likely to pathologize normal childhood behavior?

      It’s trendy now to call one’s child autistic or to overblow extremely mild traits. This is like a one two punch of sheeple panic buttons. Fat + autism = $$$

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      • on April 11, 2012 at 1:55 am Ben

        The fat mafia rears its sizable head and declares vendetta on CH.

        Calling anyone “sheeple” when you’re obviously governed very seriously by your emotions is ironic.

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  86. on April 9, 2012 at 2:43 pm Andrew S.

    Heartiiste tweet: “Frat boys troll porn stars.” That was some crazy shit. Reminded me of a scene from the movie ‘Requiem For a Dream.’ In fact I wonder if they watched the movie before the “dead eyed” porn stars arrived.

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  87. on April 9, 2012 at 3:13 pm Anonymous

    When you really do have several relationships starting or in progress at the same time, flaking is super easy to deal with without feeling any anger, frustration, impatience or whatever. Because you have ready replacements. So you tease or say “that’s OK, I have work to do”. You happen to post something interesting online the next day. Other girls “like” what you wrote. She sees that. Pre-selection and your lack of urgency makes her try to get your attention again…you’re not so outcome dependent anyway because of the others.

    This is why alphas mostly have to be sociopaths. Female flaking behavior has caused some men to evolve (genetically or behaviorally) so that they feel zero guilt about stringing along more than a few women at the same time. These men know they have to do this in order not to have too much downtime and not to become dependent on the behavior of flakes for their happiness.

    You can’t feel guilt about stringing multiple women along. Because the non-sociopath norm implies the man has to have one-itis. If the girl is only available to see you again on Wednesday and it’s Monday, she and society expects you not to date someone on Tuesday or tonight. That’s her dictating your schedule. Screw that. She should only earn that right if you’re dumb enough to ever give her the keys to your place (in which case you’re bound and tied like a hog with an apple in its mouth).

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  88. on April 9, 2012 at 3:50 pm Trimegistus

    I posted this below in the Omega thread by mistake, so I’m reposting here. It’s kind of off-topic, but still interesting: a post from BookwormRoom about men and the “Stockholm Syndrome.” The message is trickling out, folks. (Bookworm, by the way, is a woman.)

    http://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/04/09/stockholm-syndrome-victimization-and-the-medias-version-of-american-men/I

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  89. on April 9, 2012 at 4:13 pm chi-town

    In other news, bonars are right again.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/53880162-68/obesity-autism-pregnancy-women.html.csp

    penis 1
    brains 0

    The brain , so vulnerable to delusions and propaganda, is not to be trusted with propagating the human race. Follow the compass.

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    • on April 9, 2012 at 5:06 pm Nicole

      So all these “obese” women are having immaculate conceptions?

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      • on April 9, 2012 at 5:55 pm chi-town

        Its an emasculating conception that one blind man can fall down a flight of 100 stairs. Unfortunately desperate men do chose option BMI +35. Unfortunately it tries to shoot the gap with numbers of fatherless, debilitated wards of the state.

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      • on April 10, 2012 at 11:49 pm Anonymous

        your rationalization hamster must be an olympic athlete…..unlike you……..soooo much fat justifying…..pathetic……if you hit the treadmill like your hamster you’ll be thin and beautiful………soooooo sad…….

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      • on April 11, 2012 at 1:53 am Ben

        Sadly not. Hopefully one day we’ll be able to steralise them though.

        :). Pleasing thought.

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  90. on April 9, 2012 at 9:04 pm Anonymous

    “Frat boys troll porn stars. Much lols. Look at the dead eyes of the chicks. Soulkilled. (NSFW) ”

    What a bunch of losers, but unsurprising. At my college, the fratboys were mostly dorks.

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  91. on April 10, 2012 at 1:36 am jeremynicholson

    Excellent stuff. In Behaviorism we might label that the difference between Punishment (calling out) and Extinction (ignoring, demoting, etc.). Especially without a strong connection, punishment does create some negative, reactionary feelings. Those negative feelings will get rationalized and the punishing individual will be avoided. However, when extinction processes are used and bad behavior is simply ignored (not reinforced), those behaviors eventually dissipate. Also, much like a freeze-out, extinction also creates a sense of scarcity – making the woman miss you, see you as higher value, and eventually coming around.

    I discuss these concepts in more detail in my own article here:
    Managing a Date’s Bad Behavior: Taming a Jersey Shore Snooki

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  92. on April 10, 2012 at 11:43 am jerry

    Is it so bad for a woman to think youre inexperienced with women? I recently blew a chance with a girl because i was trying to follow the rules of game too much. I suspect if i had been more humble and honest she would have been more willing to be helpful in making it go further.

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  93. on April 11, 2012 at 1:52 am Ben

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2127258/Model-Claudia-Boerner-German-Come-Dine-With-Me-kills-internet-troll-abuse.html?ICO=most_read_module

    All her walls hit her at once as she discovers the truth through annonymous, disconnected, young men over the internet.

    Sad, but it wasn’t us that created this situation.

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