A reader poses an interesting scenario: what do you say if a girl asks you about feminism? If you live in a big, blue urban enclave, it’s pretty good odds you’ll run into a chick — probably a lawyer or other man-jawed freak of nature — who hits you up with the feminism shit test.
Naturally, the typical beta male, not knowing what the fuck to do in most situations with women except kowtow in abject supplication in hopes he’ll be patted on the head like a neutered shih tzu, would frantically insist his fem-cred is legit. At best, he might “yeah, but” his way through it until eventually caving that he’s on board the grrlpower train.
But we can do better than that! In fact, not just better, but SEXIER. You see, these sorts of politically and culturally loaded questions that girls ask are not just tests for proof of in-group certification, they are also plum-ripe opportunities to demonstrate superior value by parrying her noxiously probing questions in a socially adept manner that simultaneously arouses her and spares your dignity as a man.
Examples
GIRL: what do you think of feminism?
YOU: it’s for old hags and ugly girls.
This was the answer suggested by the reader. It certainly spares no quarter, but is it alpha in the pussy-moistening sense? I think it’s too confrontational. More likely to start an argument or elicit a haughty exit than encourage flirty banter.
Here are some less confrontational but still edgy replies:
GIRL: what do you think of feminism?
YOU:
– great for my sex life!
– child’s play.
– it’s like religion. makes people feel good.
– great! girls buy me drinks now.
– dunno. never ate one.
– fucking LOVE it. premarital sex for the win!
– you mean lesbianism?
– i don’t.
– [for the girls who appreciate dark humor]: it’s cool. my aborted sister was a feminist.
– love it. i’d be married if it wasn’t for feminism.
– it’s bursting with fruit flavor.
– you’ll have to ask my grandma.
– it’s cute!
GIRL: what do you think of feminists?
YOU:
– they’re sexy underneath.
– beautiful on the inside.
– so smart! guys love that about girls. yup, being totally serious here.
– they ask weird questions.
– love chicks who rock the pit hair. shows they’re secure in their masculinity.
– so cute!
– best divorcees in the world.
– love em. most of them are secretly giggling little schoolgirls once you get to know them.
– i’d tell you but then you’d have to buy me a drink.
GIRL: are you a feminist?
YOU:
– i wish, but i was born with a penis.
– that’s what my doctor says.
– when it’s convenient.
– for you, any time sweet cheeks.
– are you flirting with me?
– i’m not wearing any underwear, so, yeah.
Of course, if you really ARE a micropeened self-loathing bitch tittied simulacra of a man one brightly whistled show tune away from double rainbowed gaiety, you could go the Hugo Schwyzer route and proudly declare your feminist bona fides, t-shirt and all, while exploiting your teacher-student status differential to nail 19 year old hypergamous pussy. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
But for most betas who don’t have a captive classroom audience of eager beavers jockeying for insider influence at an A in ‘Deconstructing Rape Culture 101’, holding sincere feminist beliefs and being unafraid (ha!) to broadcast those beliefs will not help you get laid. If anything, girls will be turned off by your cloying self-abnegation. Even feminist girls. ESPECIALLY feminist girls.
I got this in real life. My response was something along the lines of “feminists are biology deniers”. No good.
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“love em. most of them are secretly giggling little schoolgirls once you get to know them.”
True dat. Feminists automatically become giggling school girls if they are hot for you.
Howerver, if a chick brings up a serious question on such a political topic, especially feminism, then she probably has no sexual interest in you.
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no good?
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No good at all. She was seriously offended. She came at me with a barrage of crap about how she is a democrat because most Jews are democrats and a feminist because she is a democrat and a bunch of feminist rhetoric about how she can do anything I can do.
Since I knew I wasnt getting the bang at that point I ripped her logic apart:
(1) Jews being social and fiscal conservatives as a culture shouldn’t be democrats
(2) Democrats are constantly trying to throw Israel under the bus
(3) If you are ever as physically strong as I am it will be at the expense of being very unattractive.
I should have invited her to my next trip to them gym and let her try to bench press 225 lbs of equality.
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And you wanted her why again…?
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If a girl asked me about feminism I would dump her immediately. No reason to deal with trash like that and their false rape accusations. No pussy is worth it.
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“(2) Democrats are constantly trying to throw Israel under the bus”
stop being naive, it’s a good cop / bad cop show
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/4895/aipac-s-steve-grossman-takes-democratic-party-post/
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Reply more like Charlie Sheen and you might get better results
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I wouldn’t give any attention whatsoever to this failed pseudo-philosophy of pampered, butchy Western women.
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I can actually thear
you lisping on
the interne
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I agree with you, Lovekraft. I’d much rather speak my mind to a feminist and tell her exactly what I think of people like her rather than supplicate her in order to get her in bed. There’s plenty of other women to date who aren’t mentally ill.
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Not particularly alpha, nor perhaps likely to increase your lay odds outside some militia enclaves, but the correct answer would be,
“It’s a subset of progressivism. Hence horrific enough that a nuclear armed Taliban would be a great, wonderful blessing, indeed.”
Having used permutations of that one, I can unequivocally state that it doesn’t prevent you from getting laid if other factors are present; but there are probably better options than the truth if maximizing lay odds is your sole goal.
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“nuclear armed Taliban”
Classic. The one thing I miss about my lesser beta days is that I’d have killed to think up a line like that when talking to some hippy college girl with a lovely body and half-baked opinions.
Ripping apart the Chomskyite drivel of your typical SWPL feminist is the most fun you can have this side of seal-clubbing.
Alas, now I stick to negs and teasing, and argue politics with my long-suffering brother
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lean in real close, in a real low voice, to answer any of these questions:
“I Dominate women.”
unexpected answer, cue the turbo hamster, and 50 Shades discussion.
The humor stuff is good, but I think dodging the question is not an ideal way to pass the shit test. I cannot reinforce feminists. I’d rather shoot straight and get a negative reaction than to have some feminist think I play for Team Woman.
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for someone who writes chick lit, you really don’t get women. the biggest tell was your 1st 2 words. so is your CoolGuy69 alpha posturing. its so transparent.
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burn! good one.
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btw, i agree w you on the dominance thing generally. but talk is cheap. and to my eye your set up would backfire- although i suppose it depends on the context and execution (ideally said w mischievious smirk). maybe if you leaned back, as opposed to fwd.
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An alpha can and does lean in momentarily to invade her space and touch. In fact, by doing so he can find she likes the new distance and he spends the next ten minutes with his arms around her and then the kissing starts.
Otherwise, yes, leaning in while the woman doesn’t is beta. Samuel was clearly not referring to this type of action however.
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Yes, Student, agreed. Way too literal.
Show, laconic alpha, don’t tell.
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O/T but another story that confirms your theories ..
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/prison-officer-found-naked-in-bed-with-dangerous-escapee-court-told-1-222908
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There needs to be a 0 {zero} at the end of that link to make it work.
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I keep hearing of these mythical man-jawed beasts. Can someone post a picture of one for me so I know what you are talking about?
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James:
Definitely NSFW:
http://www.slate.com/authors.amanda_marcotte.html
don’t say I didn’t warn you, and she is actually even more repulsive in real life
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That’s more offensive than any blue waffle.
The fair Amanda is rare proof of the saying that by 35, you get the face you deserve.
That’s what years of bigotry, misandry and Gold-circle membership in the Party of Death gets you folks.
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Damn that is horrible. Worse part is the number of girls here in college who have man jaws just like that.
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damn.
i doubt even genghis would have hit that.
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Sure he would’ve! But with his war-mace.
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SEVERE BANGS ALERT… SEVERE BANGS ALERT… SEVERE BANGS ALERT…
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Here ya go — ugly old feminist hag Maria Pia Ercolini whining that too many streets are named after men.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17203823
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I won’t drive down streets named after women– they don’t go anywhere.
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Heh
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Feminist are great for hate fucks.
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@ James: look through the Heartiste archives for an article on this. Or go to Quickmeme and type in Feminist/m
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“There are no feminists in foxholes.”
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“They have INNER beauty” Great line I will surely remember.
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“They have inverse beauty.”
Chances are she wont get it. lol
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GIRL: what do you think of feminism?
ME: feminism is a form of psychological warfar designed to psychologically nueter both sexes – men are emasculated and taught to think and behave like women while women are trained to think and behave like men. The result has been steadily increasing divorce rates combined with steadily decreasing marriage rates, broken and dysfunctional families, single parent ‘households’, single moms and their paint huffing hellion bastard spawn who suffer long-term identity crises leading to dysfunctional individuals with psychological disorders and even homosexuality. Hey… aren’t you going to pay for your drink before you jet outta here like that?
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You forgot to add: and the cause of 300,000 abortions by Planned Parenthood in the name of Woman’s Health last year alone.
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Lately, I’m very pissed off at PC bullshit so:
GIRL: what do you think of feminism?
FP: 1. *patented fp sneer* What are you, stupid?
FP: 2. um…you’re not planning on getting fat on me – are you?
FP: 3. giver her the fp sneer with the “OMG YOU just farted, babe!” look
[Btw, fuck wp and their fucked up post-fucking disappearing cursor.]
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but really, the delivery from the girl is going to be more like “I am a feminist,” or “I am getting a degree in feminist shit or blah blah justice with a feminist minor.” Maybe they ask you these point blank questions on a date?
And pre-this-website, I think I would have been polite. Now, I guess it’s “that’s super” sarcastically or “math is hard,” to the first and to the second “stupid community colleges,” or “your 30’s are going to be very hard.”
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“It’s easy to be a feminist in your twenties” might be a solid line. I haven’t dated an American woman in years so I wouldn’t have tried it recently.
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math is hard
Awesome.
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Sometimes this situation happens in reverse. On a second date, I offered to pay for our drinks. The guy hesitated, then said, “Okay. I wouldn’t want to offend your feminist principles.” In my head, the ready response was “I don’t have any.” Aloud, I said nothing and paid.
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You could have said, after handing him the drink, “You’re welcome, cheapskate.”
[heartiste: a woman who’s willing to buy a drink for a guy is not going to feel like calling him a cheapskate.]
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so cute
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Q: what do you think of feminists?
A: Theyre great for bi-curious men who aren’t ready to cross the Rubicon.
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Her reply: What’s the Rubicon?
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@ Stingray
“Her reply: What’s the Rubicon?”
TOTALLY.
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GIRL: are you a feminist?
– i’m not wearing any underwear, so, yeah.
I honestly LOL’d!
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The best response is a good attack.
The secret is Maintaining the Frame as noted by other commentators.
I’d say,” Feminism is terrible. It wants to treat women as if they were men and that’s the whole problem with it.
Women have completely different talents and attributes that society needs and Feminism just wants to exploit women by forcing them out into the work force where they would rather be elsewhere.
Feminism leads to child abuse thru child neglect as working mothers, many of them single moms are forced to take any kind of low paying job and dump their babies at child care centers.
Also w/ these kids growing up w/out a positive male role model these kids are messed up for the future.
All the while ignoring the misguided lass’ attempt to interrupt and “correct” me on what she thinks Feminism really is. Again Maintaining the Frame is key otherwise she would get me off topic.
If I am allowed to continue to list the evil effects of Feminism as I simultaneously build up the positive qualities of what a “real woman” is then the lady before me is hard pressed to defend Feminism. After this good natured tirade I let the woman say a few platitudes as I nod my head to show I am indeed actually listening, “but don’t you think women should develop their mind and work if they want to?”
Then I magnanimously agree, having won points as a defender of the family and children and indirectly a defender of the poor, exploited women themselves.
yes, btw I do believe this.
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Unfortunately, Santorum has given this line of good reasoning a bad name in 2012 America. With SWPLs you will probably have to distance yourself from social conservatives before you move into the attack.
If you want to do the long speech argument, make sure you do so after attacking the religious right, unless you’ve determined that she’s partial to the religious right.
So, if I were in the US, which is a bad place to date hot women half your age and remember that 50% of being alpha is being where the hot willing women are, I’d probably answer “what do you think of feminism” with “what do you think of libertarianism” and talk along the lines of a libertarian or political independent.
There would normally be no hope for a social conservative to get laid easily in the first place.
And what’s with wp and the collapsing comment boxes?
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Keep in mind that a social conservative who is clearly not in “lock step” with an identifiable movement like the Santorum campaign or Rush listeners, might do OK for being his own man. What kills you mainly with women regarding your political beliefs is when they think you are a follower and not a leader with a mind of his own.
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“but don’t you think women should develop their mind
Yes, because women who raise children have zero way of expanding their mind. It’s impossible you know. The ability to pick up a book and process the letters is lost after childbirth. Heh.
This phrase interprets to “Women who stay at home who are intelligent have no way to show men how intelligent they actually are and validate themselves. Without that validation they very well could shrivel up and die.”
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I like the responses.
I think talking about feminism is a bad idea pre-bang(unless its one of the responses you suggested above thats playful).
Of course, post-bang its a different story.
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Very good point. Post bang, tell her to shape up or ship out.
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Alif Maqsura – that link rocks!
I always liked the Scottish accent and the thought of a (young) police gal in uniform is a pleasant day dream, Hmmmm, how much is a flight from the West Coast?
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Perfect fodder for this audience and this post:
http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2010/04/04/what-is-slut-shaming/
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Oh baby, that post is GOLD. I haven’t yet read it in its entirety, but from the little I have read, I can already tell it’s gonna be priceless.
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Are you a feminist?
Well, I do have hairy legs.
What do you think of feminists?
They’re so cute when they’re angry. (smile)
Or for smart chicks:
I generally find them quite hirsute.
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“one brightly whistled show tune away from double rainbowed gaiety”
Hey, what the fuck is wrong with show tunes you fucking faggot! Show me a studly rock star that ever understood women better than the gay Steven
Sondheim. “Company” is an entire musical devoted to a guy who’s got game, and the married women who have no idea what he does to them, but he makes them bat shit crazy and spins their hamsters into overdrive. You want a game theme song? Here it is, as sung by the victims.
You could drive a person crazy,
You could drive a person mad.
First you make a person hazy
So a person could be had,
Then you leave a person dangling sadly
Outside your door,
Which could only make a person gladly
Want you even more.
I could understand a person
If it’s not a person’s bag.
I could understand a person
If a person was a fag.
But worse ‘n that,
A person that
Titillates a person and then leaves her flat
Is crazy,
He’s a troubled person,
He’s a truly crazy person himself.
You could drive a person buggy,
You could blow a person’s cool.
Like you make a person feel all huggy
While you make her feel a fool.
When a person says that you upset her,
That’s when you’re good.
You impersonate a person better
Than a zombie should.
I could understand a person
If he wasn’t good in bed.
I could understand a person
If he actually was dead.
Exclusive you!
Elusive you!
Will any person ever get the juice of you?
You’re crazy,
You’re a lovely person,
You’re a moving,
Deeply malajusted,
Never to be trusted,
Crazy person yourself.
Bobby is my hobby and I’m givin’ it up!
PS – They don’t give him up.
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Hey how ’bout that Liza Minelli? Wasnt she great?
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Probably not Alpha but pick one:
GIRL: What do you think about feminists”
a. “I don’t”
b. “I know a good therapist”
c. “You tell me in 10 years”
Yeah. I’d go nuclear cause I probably couldn’t
get wood knowing I’m sleeping with the enemy.
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Wha? Sleeping with the enemy makes for the woodiest wood.
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This is the part that’s hardest for me: learning not to care. I’m interested in politics and ideas, and I can go on for hours about how and why feminism has failed — how it was doomed to fail from the beginning, and how it has become a machine for women to exploit other women.
None of which gets one laid. Turning off the “win the argument” center is much tougher than losing 20 pounds.
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“Well, let me put it this way: I don’t think women’s suffrage was a very good idea. I mean, just look at the gender-gap tilt towards Obama.”
Field-tested.
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This would be one of those things a girl asks to get me to pour some of my delicious smartjuice. I’d just give her a sip:
“I don’t view my relationships as adversarial in nature, do you want to explain it to me?”
This normally allays like 30 or so shit tests right on the spot. I actually got the phrase, makes me think of this blag when I use it. Thanks bro.
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holding sincere feminist beliefs and being unafraid (ha!) to broadcast those beliefs will not help you get laid. If anything, girls will be turned off by your cloying self-abnegation. Even feminist girls. ESPECIALLY feminist girls.
Un-PC + funny being more alpha than gay PC feminazi weenie should be common sense.
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I was in a similar situation once. I was 27, and had just met three cute college juniors, I asked them their majors and their reply was a chorus, “women’s studies”. I immediately replied:
ME, with a shit-eating grin: “oh, what, they teach you ironing, cooking and finding a husband?”
GIRLS: “LOL!”//”oh u!”
The rest of the conversation was them dropping not-so-subtle hints that they’re not interested in the “immature frat boys their age”, etc.
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girl: i’m majoring in women’s studies
you (looking her up and down): me too
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I just returned from a monthly meeting of a Book Club to which I belong. We discussed C. Murrays “Coming Apart”. These guys are from among the super-elite of a stunningly wealthy and important Texas Oil Town. “Conservative” is way too weak a word to describe their mind-scape. Then I, of course, tossed out some over the top Roisysheric notions…
But every dam one of them was already on very familiar terms with Roisy-land. It was never discussed openly so I cannot say how they got there; but they have already gotten it – into their bones. Like with HBD, grown men know that the only real option is to deal with things the way they are.
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Bismark called it Realpolitik.
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“Huh, why would I think about feminism?”
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Any guy who replies with a mini-jeremiad is wasting his time.
All you need to do when asked what you think abou feminism is smile with patronizing, tolerent bemusement and say:
“I think it’s cute.”
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“gay.”
Anyway here’s a video on social proof:
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The answer “great! girls buy me drinks now” is the answer that undoes their whole “frame,” which is the whole point. You will not win with a feminist “debating” inside her frame.
1). It’s a cocky non-answer. 2). It’s a commentary on the idea of feminism itself. 3). It forces feminists to deal with “female privilege” and how they’d lose it if we all really were feminists. 4). It makes them realize they don’t want to pay for a man’s drink, ergo they are not really feminist at all, just trendy “cafeteria feminists,” which leads to… 5). Them either shutting the eff up about the subject or buying you a drink.
The only problem I see with this answer is that they’d trot out the old “women make 75 cents on the dollar” lie, in which case you either have to argue inside their frame, or come up with something else.
[heartiste: say: “you don’t have to buy me top shelf. i have simple pleasures.”]
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>>The only problem I see with this answer is that they’d trot out the old “women make 75 cents on the dollar” lie,<<
I like replying: "Really! Hey that's a great business opportunity! Start your own company, hire only women and pay them 80 cents on the dollar! You'll be able to undercut all your competition, drive them out of business, and make a fortune!"
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“women make 75 cents on the dollar”
…for doing 50 percent of the work.
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Usually a bartender will take the female’s drink order first. Try to somehow get your order in first, and then walk away while she’s ordering. Then she’ll be stuck having to pay for both drinks.
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I usually refer to Feminism as Socialism in panties, or Socialism with tits.
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Feminazis? I’d like to burn all their sports bras!
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“I don’t” would be the honest answer for me.
An effective answer might be something like: “What do you mean? which variant of feminism are you talking about?”
In this way you give the impression that you might know more about feminism than she does, without committing to any view about it.
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I’m far too angry at feminists to be anything but completely disgusted. I’ve noted that most women I’ve interacted with, if the subject is broached, immediately start shitting on it or are non-committal at worst, so I’m lucky enough to have avoided this shit test.
My reaction, however, mirrors that of my friend, who was absolutely disgusted by chicks from New Jersey:
Girl: I’m from Hackensack.
Friend (not kidding): UGh! I fucking bridge-and-tunnel Jersey girl! (walks away)
Really, if a girl starts with feminism, I just get really disgusted and say its a bullshit philsophy. If she gets defensive or bitchy, I just tell her bluntly:
“Stop talking to me. This conversation….” (slowly, emphatically) “…..is OVER.” Then turn away from her. She ain’t worth it.
And fellas, despite what they try to portray, feminists ABSOLUTELY SUCK in bed. They’re keen on maintaining “political equality” from their brain-dead philsophy that they’re constantly checking themselves from being women and enjoying it. They usually lie there like cold fish, or, if not, try to do everything to you that you do to them on some messed up idea of equality.
So out of touch with themselves, with nature, with pleasure. AVOID! AVOID! AVOID!
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Hilarious.
Yeah, I don’t have much use for these types of nasty women either. American feminism seems to be a hollow word these days. The things they fought for one hundred years ago have been largely achieved. Now it’s just hostility without any aim. Take Back The Night seems to be a lot of sound and fury over a relatively small problem, in the great big scope of the world today.
On a personal note, the types of women you guys rail against here have been blessedly absent from my life. My wife is avowedly a non-feminist, despite her general kick-ass high-testosterone nature. So I don’t feel any of the same anger that’s on display on these boards.
However, to play devil’s advocate, I would say that feminism is really necessary in more rigidly authoritarian countries. If you’re an eight-year-old Pakistani girl being physically whipped by your father for refusing to marry his thirty-five-year-old friend … well, my brothers, that’s a country that could use a sixty-gallon drum’s worth of female empowerment. That’s why Sec. Clinton’s State Dept has made such a big deal out of women’s rights abroad.
Anyways, it’s all love. Ignore the man-jawed haters.
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No what’s needed is a good does of classical liberalism. Feminism doesn’t accomplish shit, it only has gotten as far as it has because western socierty, having its roots in classical liberalism, tolerated it because its a key tenant to tolerate ideas, no matter how wrongheaded because individuals have a right to beleive what they want to believe*. Feminism will never get anwhere in, authoritiarian nations as instead of tolerance ut wil be met with bayonets. Tryants don’t give two shits about the “gender divide”
*though we modern children have forgotten that tolerance is not the same thing as pretending that wrong idea is any other thang wrong. The founders would have listened to their shrill tirades, but only out of a sense of paternal responsibility. They would never have taken those ideas seriously.
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Girl: “Are you a feminist?”
Me: “I’m the ultimate feminist. I expect more from women.”
Stunned silence.
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Besides, once you have control over a girl, you’ll be surprised how often she’ll align her political world-view with yours.
Just look at all the activists who’ve recruited bored rich girlfriends to their lunatic causes over the years.
So it’s best to avoid heavy arguments in the attraction stage. Neg instead
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Respect for women nicely decimated lol Though you know, I did go pretty gay when I met Steve Vai……
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Incidentally, anyone else note that marcotte looks a lot like American actor James Cromwell?
https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDzqVg_2ZYRtoviANnzrqlufNqfAsX3PTBG-PO9H07v8TUy8QL
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Feminism is a shit test women collectively gave to society as a whole. Society failed.
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THIS
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Chisel that into stone.
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And because Civilization has failed the shit test and turned beta, women are cheating on it with alpha Savagery.
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This works on big city girls who seem like they may have been exposed to feminism or at least the bizarre series “Sex and the City”: use the concept of jujitsu to turn a discussion of feminism instantly into her qualifying herself to you or revealing that she’s attracted to you, or telling you why she’s not yet specifically attracted to you. Either way, the discussion of feminism is a great way to cut to the chase about what you’d really like to know and not what your opinion is of a subject that might be controversial to her.
Say “The only big problem I might have with feminism is if someone tries to tell you personally not to date me personally because I might be older than you and have more money than you do…which feminists will say is not equality”. Say this without bitterness, rather with a hint of amusement.
This will force the girl to either qualify herself or reveal a toxic set of cards that you can trump once she’s had to lay them on the table, and she will have to do so before she gets to decide if she likes you or not based on your other opinions about feminism.
Now a good girl will try to qualify herself either by directly revealing that she likes you as a man (and not as just a friend) or at least telling you that you are well within her standards in terms of age and income.
If that’s the case and she follows that up with “I was thinking more along the lines of women deserving equal pay for equal work or the right not to have government interfere with what she does with her body”…no need to argue this at that time because you’ve won the most important concession. You can change the subject after nodding.
But you may see her start an argument where she scrunches up her face and tells you that, of course you’re too old for her (they will never tell a man that, of course his income is too unequal for her).
If that’s the case, you’ve learned some major data early before you’ve had to pay for her meal or waste time wondering if she’ll flake on a date or whatever. And the discussion about feminism provided the perfect excuse to discuss the subject of how much she likes you so far.
Once a woman has directly told you she isn’t attracted to you solely because of your age, it really doesn’t matter what her other opinions about feminism are or even if feminism, as opposed to religion or natural preference, resulted in that attitude. Where feminism is concerned, it’s going to be the bottom line for most men over 30 looking to date younger, hotter, tighter.
After all, few of us at this blog give that much of a damn, personally, that feminists want to divorce rape betas. “Cockblocker Feminism” is our paramount concern.
If she’s told you that, of course she’s not attracted to you and uses feminist arguments about “equals dating each other” to back that up, you are, in any case, free then to discuss evo psych and how fast she will age or walk away politely if there’s a chance you’ll want to date someone she knows in the future.
A firm and friendly nuclear neg about her impending SMV decline will work maybe one out of three times, entirely dependent on your negotiating and persuading skills, how entitled she feels or how anti-male and uptight the girl had been indoctrinated to be. She will know it’s perfectly fair for you to talk about her starting to look old because she just said the same thing about you. She can’t claim or think otherwise. You can turn things around at this point and get her to start qualifying herself as still being attractive enough for you.
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The way you deal with this is to outsource it. Let *them* figure out what to say about this to their girlfriends/family/therapists/gay orbiters. If they’re anxious about it they can titter too all the other punks, faggots, and losers who insist on feminism.
I decline to read this post. Thank you heartiste for setting us all free.
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Rush Limbaugh: I love the feminist movement. Especially when I am walking behind it.
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There is an element of fantasy in this post, though: when does anyone ever ask for your opinion of “feminism” as such? I don’t think any man or woman has asked me that in forty years on Earth. What people talk about is specific issues or events. Women gassing about that stupid “only make 75 cents for every dollar a man makes” lie. Women repeating this month’s official DNC talking points about the “Republican war on women” (i.e. not giving them enough free stuff). Women using “sexist” or “misogynist” as an all-purpose shut-your-trap bomb. That’s the kind of discussions about feminism one actually sees.
And with those you either have the option of keeping quiet, nodding politely and changing the subject, or actually challenging their bullshit and turning it into a genuine argument (with all the dire consequences for getting laid that implies).
[heartiste: i agree with this comment. the post was mostly theoretical in nature. in real life, i can’t remember the last time a woman asked me my thoughts on feminism. but maybe that’s because i keep the company of normal women, and not broken headcases.]
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“… War on women….”
Good point.
What’s worrying is that the Dems transparent attempts at manipulating the female vote are paying off. Obama’s up 16 points with women voters.
They accuse the Republicans of pandering to their base, yet the DNC are cold-calling young women at night telling them that Romney’s going to take their jobs away.
I know a lot of folks around here see the current President as a beta, but alas he’s Alpha personified: he’s gaming the women of America into voting for four more years of malaise and decline.
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Anybody who becomes president is ALPHA, period. Jesus. And if you view alpha status as mere sexual conquest, Obama was pretty high up there. His friends from his youth have said that nobody could compete with him w/r/t women. And in his autobiography he even admitted that he spent a lot of time chasing tail.
Two, Repugnicans ARE attacking women. Many Repug state legislatures are actively trying to pull funding for birth-control pills — without which, I might add, being a PUA would be much harder — as well as restrict women’s right to choose to have an abortion. Limbaugh’s debacle underlines all of this.
Yes, Dems are exploiting this. Wouldn’t you? They want to win.
But four more years of malaise and decline? Under Obama? He got handed a shitty economy in freefall due to 30 years of deregulation. Since ’10, he’s had to fight a Congress that sincerely hates his policies, honesty, and skin color. This stuff is bigger than Obama, Mexican Pete. There’s a lot more at play here than the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
But back to the forum: yes, he’s a player. He’s thinking forty steps ahead, around, and behind his prey. Just like most of the advice given in this Chateau.
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Jason,
The biggest threat to PUAs isn’t the GOP trying to make folks cough up a few dollars for rubbers.
And contraception ain’t going anywhere. Rush raised a fair objection to Ms Fluke expecting a bankrupt state to subsidise her extended college stay. He just phrased it badly, as is his style.
The current administration has quadrupled national debt and forsaken America’s allies, while toadying to Russia and China. Race isn’t an issue here, much as the Dems howl otherwise. Competence is.
But politics aside,we can agree on Obama’s rock-star status.
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Sorry, can’t let this slide.
Were you alive from 2000 to 2008? Did you notice how the previous administration alienated nearly every country in the world from us? And did you notice — either personally or thru media — how Obama’s election had people in other country’s literally dancing in the streets? State Dept noticed an immediate change in the treatment of its people overseas. A lot of its was because of his skin color, sadly, but that’s what low education yields.
Since then, allies that have been thoroughly alienated by Obama: none. Allies that have been jostled: a few. Israel comes to mind, but they’re saber-rattling against Iran.
Quadrupled national debt? Wha? A three-second google search brought up the real figures: from 11.9 trillion to 16.4 trillion. That’s a 37% increase. Please don’t exaggerate. http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_debt_chart.html
Now back to the girls.
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The current administration left a loyal ally in Egypt collapse. They attacked Libya, the one pariah state that actually tried to make peace with the West.
Israel is being betrayed, yet again, and Britain is under US pressure to give up the Falklands, not much of a reward for helping in Iraq and Afghanistan.
All Russia’s demands are granted (see the President fawn on Medvedev on Missile Defence) and China receives quiet consent from Washington in all its actions.
Yep, foreign policy is just dandy. As for the spending issue, you’re not including the OMB estimates for Obamacare’s annual costs. Also you’re not considering the changing ownership of US national debt.
But enough politics. Game is a far more interesting topic.
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And have you been alive since 2008? The current administration has been busy alienating all our friends — and sucking up to rogue states and kleptocracies. I suppose you think that’s an improvement. They were dancing in the streets because they knew America had a leftist idiot in charge who’d give away the farm!
No allies alienated? I guess if you don’t count the UK, Canada, Mexico, India, Israel, Germany, Poland, and the Philippines as allies, then yes, you’re correct. Unfortunately, if you eliminate them the field gets pretty empty.
As to debt, he has only increased the entire debt of the country by 37 percent in three years. You don’t think that’s a problem? Or are you frantically blowing smoke to distract us from the fact that the first Affirmative Action Hire President has been a fucking catastrophe since the day he blew his lines taking the oath of office.
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Agree with you re: Obama = alpha. How could he not be? He landed the world’s ultimate job.
But I got to question that he was ever a pussy hound. A black dude who edited Harvard law review ought to have had so much hot pussy coming his way he’d have needed a spare dick. But has any woman ever admitted to fucking him? Biographies say he dated a white Chicago grad student. Then he met Michelle.
And what — after that he never looked at another woman?
Back in Chicago, Obama was known for being pretty cold and distance. And ambitious and self-absorbed.
Alpha, yes. Pussyhound, no.
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The only times I ever had conversations about feminism with women was (1) when I was a former beta and brought it up and (2) in college.
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yeah, there’s really no reason to have a discussion about feminism with a girl you want to bang. if she mentions it, tease her about it and then change the subjectg.
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girl: what do you think of feminism?
YOU: You mean the sexless female cat collecter movement?
Da da duh. Crickets & Tumbleweeds…
I amuse myself.
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HILARIOUS!!!! LOVE IT!!!
Being a woman, I would go the serious route and explain why and how f’ism is wholly destructive, anti-woman, anti-family and anti-man. The writers’ way is clearly more succinct and witty
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Be CLEAR and be DIRECT about your feminist view. That’s what a dominant man who is in control of his woman does. None of this pansy sarcasm and snark. Leave that to the fags. Most of your ‘clever’ wit flies over womens’ dinosaur brains anyway.
[heartiste: ya know, this sounds great on paper (or in typeset) but in real life just the opposite is true. chicks are rarely in a mood to get argumentative (that’s not why they shit test), and when they do it rarely leads to sex. direct, unequivocal dominance is fine for after you’ve been fucking a girl for a while and she’s emotionally bonded.]
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On top of that; contrary to pushed leftist BS men expounding feminism is just weird. It is akin to a man talking about how much he lurves Lady Gaga, Madonna, Justin Beiber, etc..
You get a pass for under-the-breath passing mention of it but anything more than that she will think you are a little off (that’ll translate into her thinking you are gay, “creepy”, etc.). Plus, the hotter she is the more she’ll think you are weird, etc.
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“Simulacra” is plural. You’d be nowhere without my free editing services.
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Any a-hole who has tried this stuff and says it doesn’t work is full of shit.
I’ve been married for almost 5 years, i get more now than ever thanks to heartiste. i constantly blow her shit tests up and make her qualify herself to me. She also says she doesn’t like the “new” me. bullshit! she loves it! I can tell by her spreading her legs for me anytime i desire.
Thank you heartiste, you are a true prophet. You are saving more marriages than any bullshit marriage counselor or pastor.
you need a book now, so you can be included in the great books for men. lolooolz did GBFM get assassinated by the fed?
this invisible cursor sucks…
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assassinating gbfm would accomplish nothing, since we are all gbfm.
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merchandising idea:
a gbfm mask a la guy fawkes. perhaps in tucker max’s likeness.
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Her: Are you a femenist?
Me: My dick is…I think it’s a lesbian
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“I’m hairy, and I love to eat pussy… so I guess so.”
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My favorite response is, “I don’t.”. If I were to ask this question to a single man around my age, I’d probably like the one about him being grateful he isn’t married.
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I think the ultimate answer is, “Most women who claim to be feminists aren’t really sexually liberated, they just pretend to be.”
She’ll be diving in your pants in no time.
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GIRL: What do you think of feminism?
YOU: Would it kill you to use a breath mint?
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HAHAHAHAHA!
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“Two, Repugnicans ARE attacking women. Many Repug state legislatures are actively trying to pull funding for birth-control pills — without which, I might add, being a PUA would be much harder — as well as restrict women’s right to choose to have an abortion. Limbaugh’s debacle underlines all of this.”
One, You REALLY have not paid much attention to what has been written on this particular blog, have you?
Two, way to sing along with the feminista chorus.
Republicans have their faults, but insisting that women take some responsibility and pay some of the cost of their carousel riding ain’t one of them.
“Being a PUA would be much harder…”
Typical liberal whining, wanting others to make things easier for him and expecting others to pay for it. So, in order to make it easier for you to “be a playa” I have to subsidize birth control methods on both ends? You have constitutional right to raw-dog it at no cost to you?
How about you be a man, drop a fiver and put a bag on it if you want tail on the cheap.
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My last one:
She: Femi stuff ..
Me: I’ll send them to the corner .. like a little children ..
So that was an easy pick up for that night. And she wants more.
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The post reminds me of a couple of incidents I had in college, and Trimegistus is right, it never gets declared so openly. It’s more subtle than that, but sometimes not by much.
One woman amongst a group of friends in a bar took offense when I said to her, “Lady, you don’t know the half of it…” in response to her question.
“Why are you calling me ‘Lady’,” she said, disgust and annoyance wrinkling her face.
“My name is Amelia. Blah-blah-blah-feminist twaddle-blah-blah” Even though this was years before taking the red pill, and while I was Beta, and I had never heard of a shit-test, instinctively I knew I was being fucked with and was pissed. I don’t know recall what I said, I think it basically amounted to “Uh-huh”, but I then proceeded to ignore her completely the entire night. I think she got the message, by the look on her face. This woman would later take me, the misogynist pig, into the woods near her house for a lay.
Second was a friend of a friend who I knew, who somehow got me into a discussion about Virginia Wolfe, who was awesome apparently because her writing was “non-phallic”. When asked what “non-phallic” language was, she could not explain, but tried damn hard to do so.
In retrospect, I think I handled the first one correctly, because I needed to make it clear that I was not going to put up with crap like that, and it was not the expected Beta response.
The second, had I had any concept of Game, I might have turned to a response similar to the above gotten something going.
Oh, if I only knew then…
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Heh. Hanging around Duke University (one of Tucker Max’s haunts) you get to see both the high-profile frat boy PUAs who breathe Game like bong hits and the most radical feminist student body on the east coast mix it up. Back in my Blue Pill days I used to be amazed at how many times these dudes would score on feminists just for the pure perverse joy of it. Some of the classics:
Q: What do you think about feminists?
A: They’re all pink on the inside.
A: I’ve only known one who can suck cock worth a damn.
A:I find that after the fifth orgasm, they have a hard time remembering much feminist theory.
A: They’re okay to fuck, but I’d never marry one.
A:That depends . . . are you a pro-porn, suck-me-off-in-the-parking-lot feminist, or are you a man-hating shrewish screachtard feminist? Because that could determine my answer.
A: Each one tastes different. What flavor are you?
A: They curiously seem to prefer anal. Who knew?
A: You know, some of them wouldn’t look so bad if they’d try a little make-up.
A: I find that they’re all closet submissives. Yes, each and every one. Oh, and they lie about it, too.
A: (Shrug) Look, whatever the Beta girls have to do to get by, y’know? Poor girls. Someone should have a telethon or something.
A: They usually can’t orgasm with a man.
A: Lots of girls with small boobs are feminists.
A: That they’ll never know happiness with a man. Ever.
A: Well, I’m not really a “cat person”, but gosh, they’re spunky broads!
A.: Once you stand up to one and put her in her place, she might be teachable.
A: Not one in ten feminists is worth the cost of the rubber to fuck them. Which one are you?
That last one worked to devastating effect, in my presence, to the tune of a bathroom quickie. But all of them essentially spit back at them with a big wad of sex, which is ALWAYS a hot-button topic. I swear, some of these li’l cupcakes seem to throw feminism out there just to see if anyone will challenge them. The appropriate response is always to challenge them, their self-image, their place in the female social matrix, and their potential frigidity/sluttiness. Feminists usually have something to prove, and are ready to spar. The faster you can get them to result to a purely emotional display or viscous shaming ad hominem attack, the sooner you win. Seriously, if a dude in your party can achieve this, in public, someone has to buy him a beer. Fem-baiting is great sport and can lead to some truly incredible experiences. Hell, they’re the whole reason Game was invented in the first place!
Oh, and if she gets into porn, and how “degrading” and “exploitive” it is, look her up and down, assess her wardrobe, and reply:
“You mean you’re going to say that a legally regulated business where every titty on your screen has six pieces of paper verifying it’s age and identity at the time of production is more degrading and exploitative than the global textile industry, which regularly employs millions — not thousands, like porn, but millions of young women in unsafe working conditions around the world at pennies an hour, where they are regularly raped and sexually abused without healthcare or even the promise of a job the next day, all so your fat ass can brag about the 50% off you saved on that lovely ensemble at Old Navy at affordable prices? Really? How many rape victims worked on those jeans, Cupcake? How many little girls’ fingers bled so that you could max out your Lane Bryant dollars? How many fourteen year old sexual assault victims wept while they stitched those heels together for you, lady? Jesus, have some fucking sense of proportion. And you call yourself a feminist . . . ”
Just my pet peeve.
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Faved. Very funny. That speech at the end could be worked into a movie.
Doesn’t Brown, or especially some of the all-girls’ liberal arts colleges, have more radically nasty feminist than Duke? (I dunno; I didn’t go to any of them.)
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How would you react to a girl who says she does not initiate texting guys (me).
Her excuses are he can get ahold of me if he wants, and I don’t want to get hurt.. yada yada..
She tells me this while nekkid in the shower.
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She’s in the shower naked. Who fucking cares if you text her.
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Shes trying to get hand
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I’ve never been asked this question, but I enjoy the playfull responses that you gave. Getting angry about stupid crap you can’t control is a turn off for women anyways. Yeah, feminism sucks in many ways but it’s made my life exponentially simpler–no marriage, kids, easier lays, and women are more willing to just let loose. Heck, thank you, feminism!
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Feminism was about noticing that humanity needed to take the next step and that was installing the Penrose stairs.
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The late Trayvon displays Asshole Game… would’ve cleaned up with the punani had he lived.
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Dude-your head must be shaped funny to think up that many good responses. Woman are the “straight man” to you, just somebody to lead you into your lines.
Some men found Fortune 500 companies, some men split the atom. You help guys get laid with hot babes. Ask yourself, who’s really bringing more happiness into the world?
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What do you think of feminism?
Its ok but personally ive always preferred masochism.
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I answer no, I’m not. I’m an equal-ist. The usual response is that feminism is about equality.
To which, I reply “Then why is it called feminism? That makes as much sense as insisting that patriarchy is about equality. There’s a perfectly good English word for equality, that’s equality.”
The implication here is that one side deciding for everyone what is equal is clearly unfair and silly. You want equality, no problem; but we both get to participate in the definition of what’s equal, not just you.
I have found that saying something to the effect of “I have no trouble competing against anyone, male or female.” To which you may be told that not everything is about competition. You’ll often hear this from women who work in social services at which point it’s a good idea to make it clear if your job experience is — as is mine — entirely in the private sector.
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Has no one guessed the obvious response?
“It’s complicated.”
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