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Science Proves Race Is Not A Social Construct

April 13, 2012 by CH

I’ve never understood how this leftie assertion “race is a social construct” got off the ground — I mean, I have two eyes, I can see what people look like — but for whatever reason all sorts of brainwashed numbskulls cling to the meme like a life raft. How do you argue effectively against people who so brazenly defy common sense and observable reality? At some sufficiently degenerate mental nadir it becomes impossible to engage such a person rationally. You just mock them and hope they shrink away in shame.

Mockery’s great, I love it, use it a lot in my daily life. But once in a while it’s pleasing to throw an icy cold splash of scientific debunking on false beliefs. If the perpetrator of the false belief is not insane, actual science proving the contrary might give him pause about spreading his lies. But better than that, and more probable, it will win over weak-minded conformists and status whores who are gullible to the liar’s feelgood, twisted logic, thus ostracizing him from normal people.

On that premise, here’s a loaded study — loaded with implications — about a new DNA test that can ID a person’s race.

Frudakis’ test is called DNAWitness. It examines DNA from 176 locations along the genome. Particular sequences at these points are found primarily in people of African heritage, others mainly in people of Indo-European, Native American, or South Asian descent. No one sequence can perfectly identify a person’s origin. But by looking at scores of markers, Frudakis says he can predict ancestry with a tiny margin of error. […]

But the real [reason it isn’t popular with police]? DNAWitness touches on race and racial profiling — a subject with such a tortured history that people can’t countenance the existence of the technology, even if they don’t understand how it works.

“Once we start talking about predicting racial background from genetics, it’s not much of a leap to talking about how people perform based on their DNA — why they committed that rape or stole that car or scored higher on that IQ test,” says Troy Duster, former president of the American Sociological Association.

Aaaaaaaaand…. meme CEDED motherfucker. You can’t find DNA markers of social constructs, but you sure can of biological reality. The fear here, naturally considering the PC crushing potential unlocked by such technology, is exactly what Troy Duster, former president of the American Sociological ASSociation *cough* dissembling shitsacks *cough* suggests: that the tech will be able to find genetic markers that correspond with certain behaviors and attributes. And at that point, the whole house of equalist cards carefully built up over the last, oh, 150 years, comes tumbling down.

The fear exists because those professing it know, deep in their squirrelly little hearts, that the propaganda they cherish and espouse is wrong, has always been wrong, and soon everyone will know of its wrongness. I think what they really fear is blowback. Or perhaps hopelessness. Or sinecures. Or all of that, plus the loss of a status cudgel to wield against their close cousin lessers.

Tony Clayton, a black man and a prosecutor who tried one of the Baton Rouge murder cases, concedes the benefits of the test: “Had it not been for Frudakis, we would still be looking for the white guy in the white pickup.” Nevertheless, Clayton says he dislikes anything that implies we don’t all “bleed the same blood.” He adds, “If I could push a button and make this technology disappear, I would.”

I bet a lot of members of the current ruling regime are thinking the same thing. Which is why they shouldn’t be in power, any longer.

ps hi Cheap Chalupas! :mrgreen:

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  1. on April 13, 2012 at 5:12 pm nowhere@nowhere.com

    The “Indo” in Indo-European refers specifically to India (and the 600 million or so Aryans in the north/middle parts of the country, who speak sanskrit derived languages and who’s holy religious symbols are shubtika/swastika/laltika and the religious pantheon is derived from the 4 holy hindu vedas (same as the norse (e)das.

    South-asian (in the indian context) are the 500 million on so Dravidian people, also Hindu in religion. But they don’t speak any sanskrit derived languages and much like the hindus of bali, are an entirely different race. Hinduism spread to them from the north.

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 12:23 am corvinus

      (and the 600 million or so Aryans in the north/middle parts of the country, who speak sanskrit derived languages and who’s holy religious symbols are shubtika/swastika/laltika and the religious pantheon is derived from the 4 holy hindu vedas

      Oh… you mean those brown people who talk funny like Apu in The Simpsons? Got it.

      Actually, Indo-Aryans in fact share the same Y-chromosome marker, R1a, with Slavs.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R1a

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  2. on April 13, 2012 at 5:14 pm MD

    Did you know that the HUMAN GENOME PROJECT claims that race does not exist and they could find no evidence for it?

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 1:41 am Tooters

      They would if the libtards in charge wouldn’t cut funding. Same thing with the made made global warming nonsense.

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 12:20 pm Laconophile

      Hmm… who am I going to believe? A project that relies on funding from biased parties, or my lying eyes?

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    • on April 16, 2012 at 7:57 pm doug1111

      MD–

      Did you know that the HUMAN GENOME PROJECT claims that race does not exist and they could find no evidence for it?

      That’s an exaggeration and misstatement of what they’ve said and I note that you supply no quote and link.

      However they have said things in that direction, as has Luigi Cavalli-Sforza in his general audience interviews and introductions to his work, which then proceeds to show just the opposite, such as in his huge magnum opus “The History and Geography of Human Genes”. It’s all about placating the reigning academic and media PC, retaining funding, and avoiding the fate of Galileo in this blank slate, cultural Marxist intellectual elite’s religion age. Steve Sailer has aptly called this “squid ink”.

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  3. on April 13, 2012 at 5:15 pm Anon

    As far as libtards, they are definitely wrong when they act like everyone is genetically similar.

    However, the term “white” is sort of a social construct because it includes a lot of different phenotypes.

    Indo-Europeans are lumped together as genetically similar, but due to their vastly different phenotypes, most people may or may not consider some of them to be “white”.

    Is an Afghan white? An Iraqi? A Turk?

    We certainly don’t have a box on the U.S. census for Central Asians or Middle Easterners, so they check the white box.

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 12:13 am corvinus

      “Is an Afghan white? An Iraqi? A Turk?”

      They’re Caucasian, sure. But they’re not European, and can never be, because of their being Muslim.

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 6:47 am Robert Griffith

        LOL!!! Being Muslim has ZERO to do with being a European. Islam, (like Christianity by the way) is a middle eastern non-European religion. I know Muslims (myself Included) that are of 100% European blood. And I know Christians that are about as European as a Zulu. Religion and genetics are two VERY different things.

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 11:42 pm Firepower

        It’s a good thing America –
        had such warriors as you
        when you were in
        the Marines

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      • on April 16, 2012 at 8:58 am Robert Griffith

        I’ll take that as a compliment my little keyboard commando!!!! You hide like a coward behind a ridiculous sounding screen name (Fire Power) LOL. What are you about 12 years old. LOL!!!!

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      • on April 16, 2012 at 10:34 am Firepower

        Ooh – sorray – muh bad.
        I meant TALIBAN.
        Blessings n’ Peace Be Upon You
        O member of The Peaceful
        “Religion”

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    • on April 18, 2012 at 1:17 pm Hums

      Well, as a matter of fact, “whites” in the traditional sense of the word cluster together genetically. Some ethnicities, like the Greeks or the Sicilians, are transitional between “whites” and Middle Easterners.

      It really does correspond to what you expect by looking at people. Swedes, Germans, Poles, Russians, Lithuanians cluster in one place; Spaniards, Italians, Portuguese somewhat to the south; Iraqis and Afghans cluster very far away from both, etc.

      Here’s a map from Eurogenes, one of the genetic projects: http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/693/webga101.png

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      • on April 18, 2012 at 3:07 pm geo

        Hums: Yes, it certainly does. No one is questioning that similar people cluster together spatially. Sure maybe Whoopie Goldburg and tards of her ilk may question that, but no one of reasonable intelligence. I thought that was obvious.

        That’s a good blog http://www.bga101.blogspot.com/. But they don’t use the data to try to divide these clusters into races. I did a word search for “Race”. It didn’t show up. I wonder why?

        I think it would be a useful and informative exercise for the people posting on this topic to list the races of the world. Or for that matter the just list the races in their home state, without resorting using strictly biological, and geographic criteria.

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      • on April 18, 2012 at 3:24 pm geo

        Correction to previous post: “Or for that matter the just list the races in their home state, using strictly biological, and geographic criteria”.

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  4. on April 13, 2012 at 5:29 pm geo

    And what does this imply about the belief in such a thing as a pure race?

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 12:22 pm Laconophile

      You ought to go inform horse breeders about this. I’m sure they would be eager to hear that their wasting their time trying to breed “pure” horses, and that all horses are created equal. They’ll have a good belly laugh.

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 7:13 pm old guy

        +1

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      • on April 18, 2012 at 3:32 pm geo

        They may laugh, but breeds are social constructs too my good man.

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  5. on April 13, 2012 at 5:32 pm emish

    I watch a lot of true crime shows (guilty pleasure) and there has only been ONE episode that has featured this technology. Lots of them feature DNA tests but only one with this test (and it was instrumental in solving the crime). I always wondered why it wasn’t featured more and I was thinking along the same lines as this post–people must be afraid of it. This study had to be hushed up because imagine the uses it could have. It could help prevent innocent people from getting convicted of crimes. And people won’t touch it because they are afraid of offending someone. Idiots!

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  6. on April 13, 2012 at 5:32 pm Yahoo

    Wow, FBI murder stastistics are already so lopsided in the direction of blacks committing crimes way out of proportion to their numbers. What will it look like if they can add in accurate statistics on all the crimes that aren’t solved? Also, they can start reporting with accuracy interracial murder, the way they do with rape today. I can see why blacks don’t like it.

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  7. on April 13, 2012 at 5:34 pm ilcicisbeo

    So DNA shows inherited physical attributes.

    [heartiste: and certain attributes, physical or otherwise, correlate to certain races. duh!]

    Nothing new here.

    [on the contrary. the technology is quite new.]

    What is not so obvious is a connection, if any, of those attributes with behavior and ability.

    [i can smell your fear.]

    There’s nothing so dangerous as someone who knows just enough to justify his own ignorance—

    [who’s more ignorant? the one claiming race is a figment of everyone’s imagination, or the one grappling with the science head on?]

    Social Darwinism is but the apogee of lazy thinking.

    [nice strawcunt.]

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 1:41 am Steve Johnson

      You know what else is a physical characteristic that differs between races?

      Brain size.

      Still think evolution stopped at the neck?

      Asians: 1380 cc
      Whites: 1362 cc (sd = 35)
      Blacks: 1276 cc (sd =85)

      Don’t worry though – probably just a racist MRI machine used to measure that and besides, everyone knows evolution is just random about important physical organs like the brain. Evolved differences in physical traits like brain size probably don’t reflect different selective pressures on brain use.

      That would be impossible!

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    • on April 16, 2012 at 10:37 am Firepower

      ilcicisbeo

      So DNA shows inherited physical attributes.

      Dood, could you be any MORE swpl – or fey?

      Your words – are like
      a shot of estrogen

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  8. on April 13, 2012 at 5:36 pm Anonymous

    Can you believe that statement? “If I could push a button and make this technology disappear, I would”. Really? You’d get rid of a technology that can eliminate as suspects every singe race on the planet except the perp’s race? This guy should be kicked out of his office so fast his head spins.

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  9. on April 13, 2012 at 5:58 pm beefcake

    The only Reason Anti-Whites try to claim race does not exist, is they are really trying to say “Genocide is impossible”, and that white people have no right to preserve their Race.

    Obviously ONLY a Genocidal Maniac would try to convince an entire Race of people that their own Race has no right to exist.

    They also twist around the meaning of Genocide under International Law, which makes it Quite Clear that Genocide does not need to be violent.

    Assimilation/ forced integration and encouraging intermarriage (interbreeding) is not a KNOWN Tactic in Genocide as it was attempted on the Aboriginal in Australia.

    Well here is the situation White people now face (white Genocide Mantra):

    Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

    The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

    Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

    What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

    How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

    And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

    But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

    They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

    http://whiterabbitradio.net/podcast-2

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 1:35 pm Drib

      Beefcake said: “Obviously ONLY a Genocidal Maniac would try to convince an entire Race of people that their own Race has no right to exist.”

      “The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.” – The Usual Suspects (Original source Baudelaire)

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 7:42 pm Anonymous

        “anti-white”, “genoside” wtf???? pleasssssse someone educate me on this because i read the article and what i understand is that this technology be used to determine someones ethnicity (or race?) based on DNA right ?? do i get it? If that is the case then why should enyone “fear” it? i dont see the problem here maybe i im that ignorant..

        now if the question is which race is genetically superior(which i would like to believe is not what this post is about) then that bitch named evolution will reveal the truth 😀 isnt that beautiful? the non-superior races well disaper on their own lol

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  10. on April 13, 2012 at 6:09 pm Charlesz Martel

    Is there a private email to contact you?

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    • on April 16, 2012 at 8:01 pm john

      Uhm,I think he likes girls.

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  11. on April 13, 2012 at 6:27 pm L

    Races are pretty damn different and yup it ain’t all cultural programming either, but mainly I care if someone has a nice coloured spirit/soul/energy/personality/insert your choice of term here….and yes I’m damn proud to be European, but hmmmm I dunno about ‘better’ and so forth when it comes to race….though increasingly it’s a problem in Europe with emigration and social dilution etc….As long as I can afford to watch seinfeld reruns and drink plenty of bitter black tea, it’s enough. Let my home country wallow in its new wave of of Polish-Indian couples, and Russian bouncers telling me I can’t go into my own local pub as my shoes aren’t such and such etc… not to mention the vaguely ridiculous chinese/black halfie kids, or the Polack brats being raised on my tax dime and raised with english as a distant second language, and with irish not even an afterthought.

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 12:00 pm Anon

      “I’m damn proud to be European, but hmmmm I dunno about ‘better’ and so forth when it comes to race….though increasingly it’s a problem in Europe with emigration and social dilution etc….”

      Immigration is merely a symptom, but not the real problem.

      As always, lazy, greedy, rich white people looking to increase profit off the backs of other people are the problem.

      “Russian bouncers telling me I can’t go into my own local pub”

      Who employs these Russians? Russians or Irish pub owners? There’s your problem, dumb mick.

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      • on April 16, 2012 at 8:03 pm john

        “…dumb mick.” Yes,why cant the Irish be all WN like all the OTHER whiite people in the world?? Dumb ASS!

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  12. on April 13, 2012 at 6:29 pm El Chavo

    Black elephant in the room!

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  13. on April 13, 2012 at 6:39 pm Black Death

    Every time some ignorant race denialist indignantly rants about how we’re all the same and that genetic distribution is the same in all races, I always bring up the fact that Europeans are much more likely to have a gene that causes bubonic plague resistence than other ethnic groups. Here is an article on the subject from the BBC, which is one of the most liberal media outlets in existence: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/sci_tech/highlights/011025_ccr5.shtml

    Anyone who has a rudimentary understanding of evolution knows why Europeans would be much more likely to have a gene for bubonic plague resistence than other ethnic groups.

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  14. on April 13, 2012 at 7:11 pm Laconophile

    Boas and Gould were huge FRAUDS.

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  15. on April 13, 2012 at 7:13 pm Gramps

    There is nothing (can you name an exception? Sports? Black dominated sports are mostly disgraceful. They have to make laws to force whites to watch black dominated sports.) in our society not debased by a large African influence. Most adults realize this, which is why they indoctrinate our children so much, and call the realists, who tell the truth, racists. It is no wonder they would like to not have this technology. Who cares what they think. They debase everything they touch.

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  16. on April 13, 2012 at 7:31 pm Peter Johnson

    I don’t understand why so many people think admitting biological racial differences somehow means that racial discrimination must follow. A person can be racist without hating or discriminating against people of other races.

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  17. on April 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm Crank

    Eh. A lot of these people are able to insist ’till they’re blue in the face that “gender is merely a social construct”. If they can continue that nonsense, then a few genetic markers aren’t going to stop them from asserting that race is a social construct (whatever that even means).

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  18. on April 13, 2012 at 7:56 pm freedomloverboy

    Anti-racism is a religion. It does not have to conform to or be consistent with science. Won’t these researchers lose their jobs?

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  19. on April 13, 2012 at 7:59 pm SOBL1

    A good reporter would have pushed Clayton as to why he would erase a technology that helped nab a killer. Protect the narrative.

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  20. on April 13, 2012 at 8:20 pm Ryu

    Yep. We’ve seen peak negro too. Multiculturalism has jumped the shark. It will still go on for awhile due to momentum, and it will become more nakedly aggressive.

    [heartiste: the stuck pig always lashes out most violently when it is cornered.]

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  21. on April 13, 2012 at 8:37 pm Roy Rhinestone

    How Whites Took Over America

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  22. on April 13, 2012 at 9:03 pm Anonymous

    Suck it, left/libtards.

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  23. on April 13, 2012 at 9:41 pm chris

    Where are all the anti-Lewontins?
    http://occidentalascent.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/where-are-all-the-anti-lewontins/

    Basically the gist of this post is is the same reasoning of;

    “there is more variation within races than between them, hence race as a category is invalid.”

    can also be used in relation to social outcome differences for races.

    That is;

    “there is more variation within social outcome differences for races than between them, hence social outcome differences for races as a category is invalid.”

    But then again you’d never hear a sociologist argue this becuase they aren’t concerned with fact or reason but with pushing an ideological agenda.

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  24. on April 13, 2012 at 9:48 pm chicnoir

    It’s becoming quite scary to be a Blk person in America.

    [heartiste: if that’s true, now you know how it feels.]

    Are we coming to the final solution part for Blks now?

    [such a drama queen!]

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 7:11 am Anna

      Yeah, it must be quite scary for black people in America – at least if you live in a majority black neighborhood where shop windows all have bars on them, the school district has to spend hundreds of thousands on security, popular passtimes include setting buildings on fire on Halloween…

      Yeah, I can understand how you would live in fear.

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 12:32 pm Student

      “[heartiste: if that’s true, now you know how it feels.]”

      so your link goes to a website for a book whose title is enough to raise the eyebrows of the average reasonable person:

      http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html

      published by:
      the new century foundation:
      http://www.nc-f.org/
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Century_Foundation

      they are quite vague on their “About” section, which is normally a red flag that suggests the organization has little to zero credibility.

      so i do a bit of digging and find out it is founded by a “moderate” white supremacist and segregationist whose phrenological sociology expert resume includes getting a philosophy degree from Yale and teaching japanese to summer students at harvard.

      but going back to H’s original point. I suppose its obvious that there are some superficial differences among different racial groups. but the issue is whether there are substantive (moral, emotional, intellectual) differences (ie tendency towards antisocial behavior, intelligence) that can be explained by intrinsic genetic differences

      if i see an old chinese dude budge his way into a line as if he has no idea that this is what people do when they wait for their lunch or the bus in the western world, i don’t say that chinese people have an inherent lack of organization, but rather that they have on minor matters a unique set of learned cultural norms (schooling, socialization etc; IE some chinese people do not go into lines because its just not done in some parts of china. its the simpler, more elegant explanation and btw it explains why some chinese drivers are “bad”; its not that they can’t drive because of their eyes or inherent brain limitations, its just that some are inconsiderate because theyve never learned to share the road when they learned to drive in china). btw, once these chinese people become westernized, they adopt western norms within a generation or less, depending on how much interaction they have with their adopted community.

      the nazis tried generalizing fundamental psychosocial disposition using phrenology and other white supremacist pseudoscience, and had a lot of smart people working on the project. but in terms of how far it advanced human scientific understanding, few would argue it was anything more than a philosophical labyrinth that never got anywhere because it never had a place to go.

      iow: youll often find black/asian/white judges, CEOs, and MDs, just like youll often see white/black/asian serial killers, vagabonds and terrorists.

      something about judging a man by the content of their character, not the colour of something something….

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 1:26 pm Laconophile

        Do you know what an average is?

        Of course there are some black doctors and white thugs. That doesn’t change the mean IQ of either race. Mean IQ is very important. Look at Haiti and then look at Taiwan. That single Haitian doctor and that single Taiwanese gangbanger matter little in the grand scheme of thing.

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 5:53 pm Student

        “Look at Haiti and then look at Taiwan.”

        comparing one of the worlds poorest and disaster stricken countries with that of an advanced industrialized power- atta boy, bright eyes!

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 7:08 pm Laconophile

        Look at North Korea then. It takes an extraordinarily oppressive form of government to impoverish a country with that high of an IQ. But even though it suffers from crushing poverty and crippling sanctions, it suffers no shortage of rocket scientists and nuclear physicists to create ICBMs for their Dear Leader. If poverty, malnutrition and poor environment is the cause of low IQ then North Korea should have some of the lowest IQs in the world.

        Haiti, on the other hand, far from suffering international sanctions, recieves billions in aid. How many rocket scientists do they have to show for it?

        American blacks enjoy some of the highest living standards in the world thanks to welfare. As well as some of the best public education in the world. How many of them have IQs comparable to destitute North Koreans?

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      • on April 16, 2012 at 12:47 am Student

        how the fuck do you know what north koreas IQ is (you mean median IQ right-and from what source? the north korean govt?) ? hardly any information leaks from there. and what does comes from one guy who might leak a few pics and anecdotes or state propaganda. it is the most closed society on the planet.

        you clearly don’t understand how aid works. go learn something, like where aid money goes, esp in those contexts.

        “American blacks enjoy some of the highest living standards in the world thanks to welfare.”

        so glad you said that. this is you in a nutshell.

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      • on April 16, 2012 at 12:58 pm Laconophile

        The fact of the matter is, we throw crippling sanctions at NK and they throw back missiles created by their rocket scientists. We throw billions of dollars at African countries and they throw back refugees created by their marauding child-soldier cannibals.

        so glad you said that. this is you in a nutshell.

        Should I have said they are poor, oppressed, skittles-loving victims who are openly hunted by racist white hispanics? Would that fit your narrative better?

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 7:55 pm Rocket Science

        Dear Student:
        You have answered your own question.

        Where is the African entity (county, state, city, nation) which is not backward and poor? There are many such entities which became backward and poor after the Africans took charge.

        Geez. Learn some history. Ignorance of history is no excuse.

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 8:29 pm doug1111

        Taiwan was not an advanced industrial power in 1945 and for that matter neither was South Korea. They became that when they combined market economic and then eventually democratic government with natively high IQ’s. Haiti was the second country in the American hemisphere to gain it’s independence from European colonialism, after the US. Look at what Haiti hasn’t made of itself.

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 9:28 pm Anna

        And of course, the people who in a region have nothing to do with wealth and poverty – it’s all determined by the alignment of the stars, I’m sure.

        (Note: Japan is frequently “disaster-stricken” too, and so are other affluent regions. But they manage to rebuild.)

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      • on April 16, 2012 at 4:41 am Marlin

        Haiti, much like many African countries, is abundant with natural resources, it’s a true tropical paradise. Its history, after they tortured, raped and murdered all the white and mulatto people down to basically the last mixed race child was fittingly summarised up by an SWPL aid worker chick I talked to as “200 years of shit”. Taiwan is a cold, barren rock in the sea, but it’s full of high IQ Chinese people. It’s one of the world’s richest countries. You need to be pretty indoctrinated not to see the obvious difference, but then again you seem to fit that description quite well.

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 3:34 pm Anna

        so i do a bit of digging and find out it is founded by a “moderate” white supremacist and segregationist whose phrenological sociology expert resume includes getting a philosophy degree from Yale and teaching japanese to summer students at harvard.

        Argumentum ad hominem: you are avoiding taking on the actual factual claims and arguments by talking about the author instead. There is no reason a philosophy major cannot be informed about sociology.

        I suppose its obvious that there are some superficial differences among different racial groups. but the issue is whether there are substantive (moral, emotional, intellectual) differences (ie tendency towards antisocial behavior, intelligence) that can be explained by intrinsic genetic differences

        Correct; that is the main issue.

        if i see an old chinese dude budge his way into a line as if he has no idea that this is what people do when they wait for their lunch or the bus in the western world, i don’t say that chinese people have an inherent lack of organization, but rather that they have on minor matters a unique set of learned cultural norms (schooling, socialization etc;

        Whether you eat with forks or chopsticks is a minor matter. Encouraging criminality and irresponsible behavior (drug use, having children you cannot provide and care for, and so on) is not a minor matter. And in these non-minor areas, things are getting worse rather than better.

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 5:56 pm Student

        “Argumentum ad hominem: you are avoiding taking on the actual factual claims and arguments by talking about the author instead.”

        look at it like this: in a court of law, if one is summoned to give objective, 3rd party evidence on a matter of importance, they need to be an expert in their field. these experts make a lot of money to provide sophisticated testimony. if a lawyer just got some yale philosophy major to discuss ballistics in a murder case, how much weight do you think that lawyers AAH justification would hold when the judge questions his witness choice?

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 7:27 pm Anna

        This isn’t a court of law.

        Do you have any fact-based objections to “The Color of Crime” or not?

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      • on April 16, 2012 at 12:39 am Student

        christ are you ever dense. courts find fact. that’s what they do, more than any other arena in civilization. but its not just courts, any other entity when trying to find fact RELIES ON AUTHORITY. which is why scientists, academics, and everyone that is a professional tends to specialize and source from the most learned and experienced individuals in whatever area is at issue. any idiot can have a theory and opinion. but when an incendiary and utterly bigoted hypothesis is presented as fact, it better have some serious clout or substance justifying it.

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      • on April 16, 2012 at 2:18 pm Laconophile

        If it’s authority you want: http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/10/james-watson-tells-inconvenient-truth_296.php

        You can’t get any more authoritative than James Watson.

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 6:06 pm Student

        “Whether you eat with forks or chopsticks is a minor matter. ”

        yeah, that was my point. now perhaps you can try and prove that X race is more likely to be antisocial than X race. and good luck finding any authority for that point. besides some no-name loser english teacher who no one seems able to defend besides saying “when i was reading the daily mail, i read a story about this scary black guy who attacked this white person. ergo…”

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 6:55 pm Anna

        What an inane reply.

        I have yet to meet a leftist who can have a discussion on race without resorting to name-calling like “no-name loser”.

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      • on April 16, 2012 at 1:01 am Student

        anna, i hope you’re attractive and young. because being argumentative is seriously unattractive and unfeminine. particularly when it comes from a position of proud ignorance. not one person that i respect has come up with a coherent rebuttal. doug can’t even use apostrophes correctly and it’s not even like he was too lazy to add one in. he goes out of his way to make what should be ‘its’ into an “it’s”.. i take yours and your colleague’s rebuttals as compliments.

        PS what do you guys do for work? just curious, but i bet you’re all in the bottom 10%.

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      • on April 16, 2012 at 6:36 am Anna

        not one person that i respect has come up with a coherent rebuttal.

        You haven’t made a serious argument to rebut. Going back to your original post, you basically make two claims: 1, that Taylor, due to being a “white supremacist” and not having a degree in the field of study, is probably wrong about his claims, and (2) that differences in behavior are mostly, if not entirely cultural and socialized, and do not have any connection to genetic s.
        (If I am misrepresenting you regarding point 2, feel free to correct
        me.)

        You have yet to actually tackle the subject matter – the Wired.com article, “The Color of Crime” or anything else that has been discussed on this thread – you’re just throwing shit and hoping some of it will stick.

        proud ignorance

        You haven’t demonstrated that I (or anyone else here) is ignorant.

        doug can’t even use apostrophes correctly

        You can’t capitalize correctly, so you’re in no position to nitpick other posters’ use of grammar.

        Don’t respond to me again.

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      • on April 16, 2012 at 1:10 pm Laconophile

        Way to prove her point, Student. You’re pathetic and intellectually bankrupt.

        I see our boob-factories, err ‘institutes of higher education’, are still churning out fine specimens like yourself.

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      • on April 16, 2012 at 9:03 pm doug1111

        Student—

        doug can’t even use apostrophes correctly and it’s not even like he was too lazy to add one in.

        You little ad hominem reaching pathetic pedant.

        Of course I know the grammatical rules for using an apostrophe for it’s or its. The former is for the contraction between it and is. The later is for the possessive form of it. However when I’m blog commenting I don’t tend to pre edit my comments or spend much time on perfecting them. More free flow. Both forms of its (it’s) sound exactly the same and it takes a brain cycle or two to separate them. I usually do but not always.

        BTW PC lefty indoctrinated only middling bright student, I went to Stanford and then a top five law school and the Wall Street investment banking and then other parts of high finance, sometime called Wall Street also in the broader sense.

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    • on April 16, 2012 at 8:32 pm john

      The idea of black males in hoodies being sweet little girls in pretty pink dressess with little teddy bears who are soooo scared when evil white people look at them–in the rare event that white people screw up the nerve TO look at them–is a profoundly stupid,moronic and magical meme that displays the utter worthlessness of negro “thought.” Black support for murder charges against Zim are at 91%. ANY black on a jury,any black(tee-hee)judge,would make a mockery of the idea of fairness & honesty and stick it TO him. This aftre a zillion bucks of tribute and decades of ass-sucking by Y-T!

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  25. on April 13, 2012 at 10:31 pm Ian

    The 10,000 Year Explosion bitches… In short, any time a species finds itself living in lots of different niches, it will face pressures to split off into lots of different species. The speed at which this split happens depends on the number of mutations, and on the reproductive rate of the animal in question.

    People always object here, saying that humans have too low of a reproductive rate for evolution to act upon us. I mean, we have 30-year generations, we’re not mice or fruit flies.

    Not so fast. Reproductive rate is the number of generations times the number of people in each generation. Humans are slow to reproduce, but there’s so damn man of us that we’re throwing up new, speciation-causing mutations all the time. Those that are successful spread exponentially through the population – 2 kids, 4 grand kids, 8 great grand kids.

    Human intelligence most likely evolved to facilitate competitive and cooperative relationships (see: http://www.kurzweilai.net/cooperation-and-the-evolution-of-intelligence), so very few people are dumb. However, success in modern society demands more than a bunch of neurons dedicated to causing drama and keeping you and your homies tight.

    Smart people have recycled most of these relationship neurons into general purpose learning neurons. That’s why they’re capable of holding intellectually demanding jobs. It’s also why they don’t make friends as quickly and need to learn game. Unfortunately, if you don’t have those general intelligence traits, there’s no place for you in a modern economy.

    Just because an evolutionary niche like Jerry Springer welfare mom exists doesn’t mean it generates a useful species of human being.

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    • on April 16, 2012 at 11:42 am doug1111

      Natural selection does ultimately depend on mutations to throw up genetic variation, but that’s NOT what near and medium term natural selection acts upon. Humans have among their populations a lot of variation in traits at any given time. It’s that variation that natural selection primarly acts upon.

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  26. on April 13, 2012 at 10:39 pm don julian

    I wonder if you are arguing against a straw-man here. Nobody of any intellectual calibre would really argue that their is no biological difference between people of different races. OK I guess you can find a lowest common denominator of confused liberal students defending something dumb like “race doesn’t exist”. But really if you are going to argue against a position, i think the only way to do it with integrity is to argue against what the stronger minds behind it originally formulated and not the watered down & confused caricature.

    I think the main argument behind “race is a social construct” is the arbitrariness of how the different races are divided. Especially in the US where the categories go something like white, black, latin, asian, other. (plus jewish). I remember when I lived in the US maybe 10 years ago somebody explained the social construct theory to me and gave some examples of how differently italian and irish immigrant workers were viewed when they first started arriving in the US, and that the concept of white was something that gradually expanded to include them. Another example, from what I have heard in some countries like Brazil or the Dominican Republic there is a whole spectrum of racial categories for people depending on different levels of skin darkness which in the US would all be included in the blanket term Black. (or even more bizarrely, all of them are Latin).

    Anecdotal, I am mediteranean european and I grew up considering myself white but when I first went to the US I was very surprised how I was treated, police for example treated me pretty badly as if I was non-white, while latins assumed I was one of them.

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  27. on April 13, 2012 at 11:48 pm GFP

    This post makes you look like an idiot.

    [heartiste: hit a nerve?]

    No one thinks that social norms literally change a person’s color.

    [nice strawman. people of a certain ideological persuasion do think races are socially created categories and that race itself doesn’t exist.]

    The term “race is a social construct” generally refers to two things: (1) The lines between races are blurrier than people think (ie how do you classify Obama)

    [the reigning orthodoxy for the past 50+ years has been that there are no differences between the races besides skin color. this lie has been pushed relentlessly by the discourse gatekeepers, and is a cherished belief held by most people and enforced by PC pressure. now what is that if not blurring the lines between races? the blur hypothesis has been the de facto and de jure law of the land.]

    (2) Certain characteristic associated with a race are socially constructed.

    [name them.]

    The fact that a group of genes can point to a person’s physical appearance? Not exciting to anyone.

    [do you think evolution stopped at the neck 50,000 years ago?]

    Now I agree with you that genes probably determine personality and other things a lot more than the blank slate crowd will admit, but this article does nothing to further that claim.

    [it wasn’t meant to. it was meant to ruthlessly mock the priests presiding over the current zeitgeist.]

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 3:13 pm Laconophile

      “The term “race is a social construct” generally refers to two things: (1) The lines between races are blurrier than people think (ie how do you classify Obama) ”

      The fact that there are people between races proves that races are real. How else could they be between them? You’re making the continuum fallacy.

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    • on April 16, 2012 at 12:48 pm geo

      In response to Don Julian: “I think the main argument behind “race is a social construct” is the arbitrariness of how the different races are divided.”

      Its not the main argument. Its the ONLY argument. How we choose to categorize people based on biological differences is a CULTURAL choice. And however real one FEELS those categories may be, that FEELING cannot be demonstrated in a consistent way by the genetic data.

      The categories are nothing more than folk taxonomies, which at times are useful in predicting behavior, but not in a cross-cultural way.

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      • on April 16, 2012 at 1:05 pm Don Julian

        I agree with geo who makes a lot of sense. I wrote another longer and more nuanced comment on this topic here yesterday and it wasn’t approved.

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  28. on April 14, 2012 at 12:10 am Nyk

    The strategy of the race-deniers will slowly change as denying racial differences becomes ever more ludicrous. The latest fashion is using [flawed] statistics to prove that everything about HBD is correct, except for the difference in intelligence between the sainted Negroes and Whites, e.g. occidentalascent[dot]wordpress[dot]com

    I only needed to check the other papers of one of the researchers behind these statistics to be exposed to their massive anti-majoritarian (i.e., anti-White) bias, from which it was simple to conclude that they were dishonest in general, hence untrustworthy in any scientific matter.

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  29. on April 14, 2012 at 12:35 am Adam

    Liberals say “race is an illusion”
    Liberals say “We must merge all races into one”
    Liberals say “Racial diversity should celebrated”
    Liberals believe all three beliefs at the same time
    Liberalism is a mental disorder

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  30. on April 14, 2012 at 1:03 am Exeter

    I’ve chased this wild goose before. Present evidence proving the biological reality of race, the blank slatists invoke Lewontin’s fallacy(that intra-group variation greatly exceeds inter group variation, therefore race doesn’t exist). Point out that Lewontin’s argument implicitly acknowledges that groups exist and differ, get labeled a racist.

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  31. on April 14, 2012 at 2:42 am Tooters

    People just don’t want to believe what their own eyes tell them. All the great swimmers of the Olympics are white. All the great runners are black. I’m sure that is a social construct too.

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    • on April 16, 2012 at 10:47 am MichaelC

      Medical studies show blacks have higher bone density than whites (makes it harder to float).
      Then there’s a medical study ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3455741 ) showing blacks have 20% higher blood testosterone levels than whites. But, no, there are no significant biological or metabolic differences other than skin color.

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  32. on April 14, 2012 at 3:18 am Anon

    “And at that point, the whole house of equalist cards carefully built up over the last, oh, 150 years, comes tumbling down.”

    Admitting that a bunch of southern douchebags were right all along is going to be a bitter pill to swallow for them damned yankees.

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  33. on April 14, 2012 at 4:27 am nupi

    Different skin colors is kind of obviously genetic, news at 11?

    [heartiste: race is more than skin deep.]

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  34. on April 14, 2012 at 6:45 am Steve Johnson

    The progressive windbags are right – race is a “social concept”.

    [heartiste: well, one could say that about any word created by humans to describe an objective physical phenomenon.]

    There are no absolute boundary between races – people on the edges blend.

    [and yet deserts and grasslands still exist as distinct ecosystems.]

    The fact that what they’re saying is literally true hides the fundamental stupidity of what they’re asserting.

    [i wouldn’t even give them this much credit.]

    People from the borders of major racial groups have a blend of traits. Purple is a blend of red and blue. Where we draw the line between “red” and “blue” and “purple” is a “social construct”. Only an idiot would take that to mean that there is no difference between red and blue.

    Progressives are proud that they’ve come up with an argument that says you can’t tell the difference between races then stick their fingers in their ears and say “la la la I can’t hear you” when you actually do describe all the ways you can tell the differences between races.

    It’s more sad and pathetic than anything else.

    [never argue with equalists on their terms. reframe away from them. get them defending their stupidity. and then, when you have them on the ropes, execute the finishing move. leave no bone uncrushed.]

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 1:51 am Steve Johnson

      Heartiste,

      I think most progressives spout this stuff without understanding it and without understanding the implications but at the same time they’re reassured because what they’re asserting is literally true.

      You start them off with the borders between colors are continuous not discrete (or temperature in Fairbanks, Alaska and Los Angeles or the border between mountains and plains, etc.) to get them to realize what they’re arguing. They probably have avoided even thinking about it.

      Then you break out the absolute nuclear bomb discussion ender – brain size differences by race. If you’re more patient you can start with other physical differences (bone density, calf circumfrence, testicle to body weight ratio, etc.) and they either deny those and look foolish to observers (and feel foolish themselves) or agree. Once they accept physical differences between races they’re cooked. The brain is another physical organ. It differs too.

      They usually just start screaming obscenities at you at that point (metaphorically) but they know they’ve been humiliated and everyone reading knows it too.

      The next time they’re more careful about treading near the topic because they know they’re wrong but they know the truth is socially unacceptable. When the spread of this knowledge among the ruling class is wide enough the whole system will fall apart like communism did.

      At least, I hope so.

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    • on April 16, 2012 at 11:49 am doug1111

      There are no absolute boundary between races – people on the edges blend.

      That’s true but so what? Those edges are called clines in genetics and biology. The vast majority of those in the major geographic races are not on the clinal edges.

      Do the central Asian countries mostly named “stan” exibit a blend of Caucasian and E. Asian racial stocks? Yes. But Kirgystan isn’t very populous compared to China and Europe.

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  35. on April 14, 2012 at 7:15 am Apollo

    “I’ve never understood how this leftie assertion “race is a social construct” got off the ground”

    It probably got off the ground shortly after people actually started taking the “gender is a social construct” thing seriously. If you see other people agreeing with one theory that seems to directly contradict common sense, why not two? Especially if it makes ya feel good…

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  36. on April 14, 2012 at 10:16 am Pavlov

    Here is another article of two professors on the opposite sides of the issue. BLIND Dr. Loring Brace of the University of Michigan and the forensic anthropologist Dr. George Gill of the University of Wyoming.
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/does-race-exist.html

    Slowly but surely it is becoming harder and harder to deny Race.

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  37. on April 14, 2012 at 12:28 pm lancebreel

    How sad that you need science to “prove” something that doesn’t need any proof. Where do they think skin color, body type and the vast majority of physical traits come from, thin air? And why it’s acceptable to use DNA for certain things (like, you know, paternity tests, rapist identification, for example) and not for others?

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  38. on April 14, 2012 at 1:20 pm El Chavo

    notation? Seriously?

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  39. on April 14, 2012 at 2:02 pm doug1111

    It’s not like there’s just one genetic test out there that can determine a person’s racial ancestry. This is a commonplace among human geneticists.

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  40. on April 14, 2012 at 2:06 pm Fugitive King

    the level of self-deceit that liberals and feminists are able to achieve is absolutely astonishing and preposterous.

    Somebody ha to speak up and point out that in fact, the Emperor has no clothes. How stupid are they????

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  41. on April 14, 2012 at 3:41 pm Will

    Heartiste, you should read William H. Mallock’s “Social Equality – A Short Study in a Missing Science” (Richard Bentley & Son. London, 1882).

    You can find it here.

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  42. on April 14, 2012 at 8:00 pm Bigfoot

    This opens up a whole can of worms.

    Genetic differences are obviously there, but ignoring them doesn’t help in any way.

    There’s a thin line between acknowledging and being racist, and both liberals and conservatives will try to push their own agendas instead of level headedly looking at the data.

    LIberals with their “Everybody’s equal propaganda” and the conversatives who look for anything to justify racism.

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  43. on April 14, 2012 at 8:33 pm mark

    Race as a Social Construct? No — and Yes!
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2008/12/race-as-a-social-construct-no-—-and-yes/
    An essay by Dr. Kevin MacDonald, professor of Psychology, California State University–Long Beach, and Anthony Hilton, retired professor of Psychology, Concordia University, Montreal.

    Confessions of a Former Racist | satire by Christian Miller
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/05/confessions-of-a-former-racist/

    The Future of White Women—A Speculation
    http://chechar.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/lycanthropy/
    (How will the Castilian Wolf deal with Little Red Riding Hoods
after the crash?)

    On Cities, Women, and White Survival
    http://chechar.wordpress.com/2011/12/23/from-the-corruption-of-women-all-evils-follow/

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  44. on April 14, 2012 at 10:44 pm mark

    Here is the result of a recent study that dispels the myth that “race does not exist”, that race is a “social construct” with “no biological foundation”.

    In this first link Ted Sallis analyzes the study and in the second link is the study itself, followed by the departments that participated in the study.

    Racial Genetic Similarity and Difference: The Witherspoon et al. Study
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/05/racial-genetic-similarity-and-difference-the-witherspoon-et-al-study/

    Genetic Similarities Within and Between Human Groups
    http://www.genetics.org/cgi/content/full/176/1/351

    Participating Departments
    Department of Human Genetics, University of Utah Health Sciences Center, Salt Lake City, Utah 84112
    Department of Anthropology, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, Utah 84112
    McDermott Center for Human Growth and Development, University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, Texas 75390
    Department of Biological Sciences, Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70803

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  45. on April 15, 2012 at 1:15 am The Wobbly Guy

    There’s a problem – they did get rid of the technology by letting the firm die off without sufficient funding. I tried searching for DNAPrint, and the company ceased operations in 2009. No idea who has the technology now, though I strongly suspect China has some of that.
    http://www.genomeweb.com/node/912684?emc=el&m=325264&l=1&v=e993a10706

    Virtually all of polite society still denies the concept of race as a biological marker with associated physical and mental performance differences. Won’t stop us from sniggering and making fools out of them though.

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  46. on April 15, 2012 at 2:20 am Fen Gregersen

    “He adds, “If I could push a button and make this technology disappear, I would.”

    This really says it all, right here, that someone is willing to trash progress, a discovery, new information, all to avoid ever having to venture out of a tiny little self created comfort zone. Liberals who wish this kind of technology didn’t exist are like hoarders who are afraid to throw away trash or leave their homes. Totally irrational behavior made rational by a person’s willingness for it to be so, and by society’s willingness to turn a constant blind eye to it’s glaring irrationality.

    What if we come to a point in the future where medical science has developed race based gene therapy treatments for certain illnesses that are known to plague one race more than another? Do we also throw out these treatments or wish they didn’t exist because they bring up the uncomfortable reality of race?

    Honestly, liberals are such children. Spoiled children, really.

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  47. on April 15, 2012 at 2:43 am geo

    Weak Science. Very weak. And way below grade for the normally high standards for this blog. Of course there are genetic markers for hair color and texture, and the amount of melanin in the skin. And probably soon it will be possible to discern facial features. So what? Anthropologists tried to use these same phenotypes to classify people back at the turn of the century and just found that there are an infinite array of what you might call races. So the best minds in the world that have devoted their careers to understanding human diversity (i.e anthropologists) use the term ethnicity to refer to what laymen term race.

    Race is nothing more than folk taxonomies, specific to where you are in time and space. Sub saharan genetic markers may narrow down the suspects in B-ham Al, but not in Latina American countries, where the array of ethnic diversity (i.e. races) defies classification. Race, as understood on this blog, is most certainly a social construct.

    [heartiste: latinos actually have lots of racial categories which correlate very closely with not just skin color, but facial structure and behavior.]

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 12:11 pm Laconophile

      Race is a “social construct” in the same way that every other classification is a “social construct”. But it’s only race that gets picked apart by the Culture of Critique.

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 1:24 pm geo

        Well, the term “lactose intolerant” is a social construct, but the condition is genetically determined. Race is not genetically determined.

        [heartiste: the evidence presented in this post shows that race is genetically determined. are you going to shut your eyes and ears and persist in your delusions, or are you going to be a better person and accept the truth of the world that is staring you in the face?]

        Consider the exodus of light-skinned blacks (the old negro elite) from Charleston, S.C. after the Jim Crow laws. Many chose to break ties with their past and pass as white in the north. They changed their “race” by changing their social context, not their genetic makeup.

        [the very fact that you effortlessly resort to calling them “light-skinned blacks” proves the opposite of what you are trying to assert.]

        Its not at all the same as the utterly stupid idea that gender is a social construct.

        [it’s EXACTLY the same.]

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 1:40 pm geo

        My logic is solid as a rock Sir.

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 2:34 pm Laconophile

        I’ll just leave this here:

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 7:27 pm doug1111

      Race is partly a social construct, but it’s based on ancestry. For example the one drop rule where any noticable amount of black heritage in a mostly white person is a social construct. But geneticists can tell from DNA analysis how much black and white ancestry such a person has, and in fact from what areas of Africa and Europe most of that ancestry came from.

      In contrast to the one drop rule for being black, these days mostly insisted upon by blacks rather than whites, we always call NE Asian – white mixtures mixed or Eurasian in America these days. If a person looks white and has mostly white ancestry they’ll get considered white by most Americans; similarly if someone has only a little white ancestry but looks NE Asian they’ll get considered E Asian.

      Similarly among Hispanics DNA analysis can determine how much AmerIndian, white and black ancestry such a person has. Anyone with any noticeable amount of Amerindian in them is normally considered Hispanic in the US if their ancestors spoke Spanish, though the one drop rule isn’t applied as strickly as to blacks. E.g. Charlie Sheen, who unlike his father doesn’t look Hispanic at all is considered white.

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  48. on April 15, 2012 at 8:31 am anon

    I think a lot of the confusion comes from the idea that Africans and African-Americans are the same race. Africans are a race, but African-Americans are an African/Caucasian mix.

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 8:14 pm corvinus

      They’re only about 20% European. They’re very similar to blacks from Ghana or Senegal, even if Ethiopians are definitely different.

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 8:21 pm doug1111

      Black Americans are a mix but they’re a mix tilted very heavily in the black direction. On average black American have 20% white ancestry, though about 10% of socially classified blacks have 50% or more white ancestry, like Halley Berry and even more so her more than 3/4 white child, who she insists is black. Most blacks are about 17% white, though that varies. Some have very little white ancestry.

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  49. on April 15, 2012 at 11:24 am titter

    Race is the same as breeds of dogs. If everyone “interfucks” you end up back at something that looks averaged out / close to the original template.

    [heartiste: you’re correct in the abstract. but if you have after multiple generations of selective breeding from the origin perfectly mocha ur-dog, say, 10 white dogs and 200 black dogs, all that interbreeding won’t revert to the original dog template; it will instead average out to a slightly less dark black dog.]

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 11:55 am Laconophile

      Funny how egalitarians never demand impossible standards on how to classify breeds of dogs. We just believe our lying eyes accept that there are different breeds with different qualities, because ideology plays no part in it.

      And if everyone interbreeds there will be no more diversity. But egalitarians don’t really want diversity, they want the Last Man, an unthinking, undifferentiated, indifferent cog.

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 12:02 pm Anon

      Dogs are artificially selected, whereas humans have been naturally selected.

      There’s a reason why jews rule Europe & America, while Chinese rule Asia.

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      • on April 15, 2012 at 3:28 pm Nyk

        Jews have been artificially selected too. Their host populations didn’t allow them to engage in any activity besides commerce and banking, which required more brainpower to deal with numbers. So, the Jews who didn’t have the smarts died.

        Similarly, Confucianism valued testing for entry into civil service to the Empire, which in turn granted high status – hence greater reproductive success.

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  50. on April 15, 2012 at 12:25 pm Charlesz Martel

    If race is merely a social construct, then what’s the justification for affirmative action?

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  51. on April 15, 2012 at 12:36 pm geo

    Hoards of light-skinned blacks (the old negro elite) moved away from Charleston and Savannah after the Jim Crow laws because they understood that they could break ties with their roots and pass for white up north.

    So if you define race as a strictly a genetic construct, then moving to a new city can change ones genetic makeup.

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 2:51 pm Laconophile

      The fact that different places have different standards for race (for instance Rihanna was ‘white’ in Barbados) doesn’t prove that race isn’t real. An East Asian D student could move to Africa and become a math whiz, does that mean math proficiency isn’t real?

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    • on April 18, 2012 at 4:35 pm doug1111

      The fact that the social categories of race aren’t exactly the same for every individual as the genetic categories doesn’t mean a persons racial ancestry can’t be and isn’t discovered by genetic testing of them. The racial categories work well enough for most purposes because about 90% black people have roughly the same small amount of white blood in them and only about 5% of socially classified white Americans have any detectable amount of African ancestry.

      Non Euro Caucasian Americans such as Arabs probably more frequently have a bit of detectable ssAfrican blood in them as black girls from East Africa mostly were bought as house slaves and concubines whereas black male slaves were usually made unichs and if they survived the procedure they obviously didn’t procreate with black slave girls continuing a separate predominantly black race within Middle Eastern Islamic countries. That’s why blacks as a separate race essentially don’t exist in those countries.

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  52. on April 15, 2012 at 12:42 pm Laconophile

    Why is it that the burden of proof lies on us to prove that ‘races’ are unequal? Not only that, but we have to prove it beyond an unreasonable doubt. Intractable IQ differences aren’t good enough, intractable social outcome differences aren’t good enough, intractable differences in behavior and crime aren’t good enough, intractable differences in musculature aren’t good enough, intractable differences in disease susceptibility aren’t good enough, and on and on and on.

    They assert that human subgroups haven’t differentiated at all above the neck in the last 50-100,000 years since splitting off. Isn’t that the more fantastic assertion? Shouldn’t the burden of proof lie on them to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that we are all equal? Well, whenever they’ve tried to prove that (Gould & Boas) they engage in fraudulent science. So since they can’t prove we’re equal, they demand we prove we’re unequal beyond an unreasonable doubt.

    [heartiste: of course the burden of proof should be with the equalists. but the lords of lies have the numbers, and the heralds of truth do not. and that makes all the difference.]

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    • on April 18, 2012 at 12:12 pm doug1111

      The insight of your second paragraph based on knowing a decent amount about evolution is why Steve Sailer coined the term “human biodiversity” or HBD.

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  53. on April 15, 2012 at 3:16 pm Roy Rhinestone

    “and yet deserts and grasslands still exist as distinct ecosystems” (CH)

    Excellent observation CH. The darkness lives in fear of your illumination.

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  54. on April 15, 2012 at 4:29 pm King A (Matthew King)

    I’m telling Rich Lowry on you.

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    • on April 15, 2012 at 6:41 pm PA

      Memes that equate Rich Lowry with coward / hall monitor must be propagated.

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  55. on April 15, 2012 at 7:40 pm Laconophile

    African Engineering:

    This is the very best of Africa. No joke.

    I wonder if it flew?

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  56. on April 15, 2012 at 8:19 pm corvinus

    [do you think evolution stopped at the neck 50,000 years ago?]

    Libtards aren’t logical. Rather, the future promises to be more like a hominid menagerie of elves, dwarves, goblins, orcs, and so on, like in Lord of the Rings or Warcraft. I won’t say which fantasy race will likely evolve from which real-life human ethnicity — I’ll let your logic figure that one out.

    For that matter, imagine if some stupid philosophy took hold of the Warcraft universe that managed to convince most of one of the races that they are no different from the others. Ridiculous, right? Is it any less ridiculous for us?

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  57. on April 15, 2012 at 9:03 pm geo

    For anyone who is actually interested in learning about this topic.

    Here is a nice colored (not Negroid) pie chart from the American Anthropological Association:
    http://www.understandingrace.org/humvar/race_humvar.html

    And a historical perspective on this very old argument:

    “Who Are We?: The Human Genome Project, Race and Ethnicity”
    http://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/journals-and-magazines/social-policy-journal/spj36/who-are-we.pdf

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  58. on April 16, 2012 at 8:19 am WAKOJAKO

    Not sure I can really get behing this arguement totally because to me what is glazed over is mixed races. I could be wrong here but the social contruct arguement was probably introduced to explain the international differences in racial classification. Definition of race in the USA is very culturally-different and unique than in many other countries. Its when you start looking at mixed race people where it all gets very complicated to me. Living in Toronto, Canada, there are just so many multi-racial folks who defy all expectations and are hard to pidgeon-hole. I mean, I know a guy who claims he is 1/4 Japanese, 1.5/4 White and1.5 /4 Jamaican black based on his grandparents make-up. That is an odd mixture and I take his word for it becuase he looks like it. Does this mean I can ever find any pattern here? Good math skills with a slight penchant for violence? I mean, I highly doubt it. Even in America, I find that who is often reffered to as “African-Americas” or black is often a hybrid mixture of white/Native-American genes as evidenced by their lighter-skin versus Africans. I mean, in places like Georgia, you meet black men that are so mixed with white that they look like caucasion men except for a light brown skin tone. Ironically, in my experience, its not typically, immigrated Africans who are filling the jails in the USA, its African-Americans who are very often mixed with some white genes in their ancestry. (Yes, I know the counter-arguement – immigrants are often the best and brightest etc) But In my city Toronto, for instance, there is a very low-homocide rate for a large city (or any city for that matter) especially compared to US cities and the murders that do happen are often done by visiting African-Americans who unlike many African/Caribbean immigrants in Toronto tend to be more mixed with strings of white ancestry. (There are plenty of blacks here but once again, in Canada, mixed race blacks in Canada often do not identify as black and never have). Does this mean, the mixture of white and black America is responsible for increases in crime? I dont know. In fact, Id argue criminals here – white and black- can be often noted for their adoption of either African-American gangsta-street culture. Sure. At least, these are the ones that end up in jail it seems….But I also know, white wealthy guys who drug deal heavily and youd never know by looking at them – I mean they do not fit the stereptypes in the slightest and never been arrested..

    When Americans say “black man”, in many outside countries, alot of so-called black men do not fit the bill. Take a look at Ludacris, Beyonce, Halle Berry, Drake, Prince, Richard Pryor or Harry Belafonte. I mean, these might be black men in an American context but plenty places in the world, they often tend to be lumped in with more nebulous “mixed race” categories. (The popularity of the USA culture has meant that the world is becoming more accepting of the USA classification system though)

    Plus the criminal arguement is just kind of hard for me to swallow given my life experience. Murder and rapes may have offenders over-represented with African-Americans but the vast majority of those in jail particularly in the USA have been placed there due to drug-related offences. The illegality of these substances are just based on strange choices when we know tobacco and alcohol even by percentage are more unhealthy than plenty of illegal drugs. I cant speak for the USA here but in Toronto, I can tell you right now that every single “hip” bar/club in the core of the city is saturated with drug use every weekend and has been for years. Cocaine and ectasy are partcularly used, dealt and snorted by white European Canadians (and everyone else alike) but there is a blind-eye towards it. Arrest rates do not necessarily make scientific sense. Cops choose who they approach and believe me, they are not approaching my friends wearing business suits doing blow in the bathrooms. (Im not saying they always approach black men either. I just dont know who they approach because drug use (crimes) are going on here all the time but no one cares). In fact, sometimes, my friends have the balls to do blow right in the middle of classy restuarants but they are never ever approached or told to leave. Dont ask me why and im just saying….

    Dont dont lump me in the “liberal” sapping category pls… I happen to be Canadian so yeah, we are always left-wing to in an American context but I lean towards libertarian pro-capitalist views…

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    • on April 17, 2012 at 3:04 pm Anti-Gnostic

      Blacks are more violent and less intelligent on average than whites. That’s why you pay more for white neighbors and 20% is about the tipping point for white flight. That’s also why black-white outbreeding remains a marginal phenomenon.

      Think about the differences between yourself and the First Nations people. You think any of your coke-addicted friends would date a squaw? But it’s fashionable in Canada to embrace the Other, so they look at the governor-general and think “average Haitian” even as they look at the First Nations and think “different human.”

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      • on April 18, 2012 at 8:27 am WAKOJAKO

        In the USA, your neighborhood analysis may make sense (Im not expert) but in Canada, it really doesnt. Violence differences in neighborhoods are miniscule and segregation is less rampant. “Fear of violence” may be a more accurate description because I will agree people are scared of black neighborhoods in the USA. I cant completely relate however. Southern white towns in Georgia with gun-toting American hillbillies scare me even more neighborhoods like Bed-Sty, Brooklyn or South Bronx just because I lived in New York so long and am very familiar. In Canada, like most Canadians, I fear almost nowhere expect East Hastings in Vancouver which is filled with mostly white drug addicts/junkies.

        My Canadian coke friends would date any nationality that is hot (they dont care) but they tend to prefer the hottest white European women above all else but they have dated/slept with any group – if they are hot. All they care about is looks primarily but would it last if there were strong cultural differences with a race? Probably not. They just like hot women here in Canada.

        As for it being “fashionable to embrace the Other” in Canada, Im not quite sure I agree. I dont see a real pattern there. I think most white guys and women still would prefer their own race. They are just more open to attractive alternatives. So, as for dating in Toronto, what you see is a higher preference for black men and asian women (similar to the USA but more commonplace and mainstream). At the same time, East-Asian men and East-Indian men are sort of rejected and not embraced much at all. I believe those dating preferences have to do with perceptions of masculinity vs. feminity. With the racial barriers less of an obsession or issue in Canada, Black men are (in a very racist way) percieved as more masculine (tall, muscular, dominant) and Asian women more feminine (soft, petite, submissive). In contrast, the opposite sex has less dating options becuase of perceptions that Black women look more masculine, tall etc. and Asian men more feminine, non-alpha etc.. In addition, in Toronto and Montreal, as a result of mixing, you just have so many more mixed-race model-looking people who are just more attractive by anyone’s standards so no one is really worried if this person is Eurasian or Brazilian mixed with black and native, they are just evaluating their hotness from a Canadian perspective. The tastes here tend to elevate dark features here over light-ones a little. So I think Kim Kardashian or some Italian goddess or Arabic princess is more the ideal than Jennifer Aniston who would be treated like an average woman here. Ive dated plenty of mixed girls from South Africa and South America who have unusual mixes with hints of Armenian-Syrian-Portugese-Black-East-asian-South-Asian that when they go to the USA they are harrased by white-black men-any man alike beyond belief. But they dont fit any neat American racial categories (Most are assumed to be Hispanic or Cuban or European). Anyways, dont overthink it, man.

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      • on April 18, 2012 at 12:22 pm doug1111

        Violence differences in neighborhoods are miniscule

        I have heard the opposite from many Canadians.

        [heartiste: yeah, someone once posted a jpeg of a mugshot of toronto’s twenty most wanted or something similar, and it didn’t look any different than the typical mugshot line-up you’d see produced by any major american city. canadians are maybe the most delusional self-policing dweebs on earth, after the swedes.]

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  59. on April 16, 2012 at 8:46 am Experienced Father

    Heartiste,

    I forwarded your piece to an e-mail list I an on and it turns out I had an acquaintance involved in the case you mentioned.

    This is what he said of the case, and specifically the need for the local police to use the test to get around local politics:

    “…They were ORDERED not to consider blacks, because that would be “prejudice” and “profiling.” The killer was of course – as they almost always are in Baton Rouge – black. God knows how many murders could have been prevented if there hadn’t been interference from politically correct Democrats and black politicians.

    You can’t have specially privileged groups if you want justice.

    What I found even more interesting was the following comment in a later e-mail after I said “Multi-cultural political correctness is being destroyed by scientific reality”.

    “…no one outside the research world would admit to what we already knew and that studies had already proven: that serial killers come in all races. There was instead a blind commitment to a politically correct but incredibly wrong and stupid piece of Leftist ideology: that all serial killers were white males. God knows how many serial killers of other races escaped justice because the Left refused to accept that serial killers could be of any race, and not just of the Left’s besotted infatuation, smart white guys in their 20’s and 30’s.

    But they refused to listen to the truth, even when the FBI proved it. They had to have their faces rubbed the multiracial facts before they would even begin to own up to reality.

    B*stards.”

    Consider the implications of that, Heartiste.

    For quite literally decades the profile of asocial smart white guys in their 20’s and 30’s as the only profile for serial killers is an act of politically correct social persecution by the Multi-cultural Left.

    The “Game” descriptions of such men are BETAs.

    We have two classes of justice in America.

    Justice for the politically connected…

    …and justice for everyone else.

    Beta men are not part of the privileged group in Modern America.

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  60. on April 16, 2012 at 4:13 pm Doc

    There is a genetics testing site called: 23andme which for something like $100 will do genetic profiling and tell you all sorts of things about your genetic predispositions for various diseases, how you will react to drugs (Statins are a big one since it can cripple you) as well as where your genetic heretage is
    from. While it isn’t 100% it correctly picked up some of the American Indian, as well as much of the Northern European and Mediterrain stock in my
    back-ground. Also picked out some things that I already knew – very resistant to opiate based drugs, and others used in anesthesia which is why I have awakened on the operating table for one thing a while ago.

    It was very interesting to see that my genetics has such wide ranging ability to specify various things that I knew from experience. Depending on the state you live in, you may need to have the test kits sent to another state since some states want them to pay a fee for performing this type of service, and it’s hefty for some states. Of course, they don’t to keep their prices down – so as a result you may have to have either the test kit, or mail it from another state. Annoying how Nanny Government keeps trying to screw things up.

    Anyway – the technology is more than out there. You can have it done for yourself and see what you may have a predisposition for. They test for cancer, as well as several other things, and they are adding tests all the time.

    There are other businesses that do the same thing – I just found that one was very accurate, professional, and doesn’t cost an arm and a leg. Just one of their test will cost thousands if done medically… Anyway… I thought it was interesting…

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  61. on April 16, 2012 at 5:39 pm gabriel goffman

    This technology doesnt change the fact that there is more genetic varation overall for all DNA within a “race” than outside race. While two black men may have this slize of dna, their rest of their DNA may be quite different. What defines race in terms of DNA is very small compared to how DNA defines all the phenotypes. How do you define someones race if they are mixed? Is Obama black and white?

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  62. on April 16, 2012 at 8:08 pm doug1111

    gabriel–

    This technology doesnt change the fact that there is more genetic varation overall for all DNA within a “race” than outside race.

    That’s true and no knowledgeable and educated race realist aka HBDer says otherwise. Lewotin’s fallacy is just that – that 85% of genetic variation occurs within major geographic races and only 15% between them. The exact amount hasn’t been figured out, but what Lewotin was basing that on was single gene variations without considering multiple gene covariation differences between the races. It’s more that 15% between races but how much more isn’t known.

    What all this means is that it’s not scientifically rational to judge how smart someone is simply by their race. However it also means that there will be large differences in average group success based upon racial differences in IQ rather than primarily due to successful groups’ irrational prejudice against e.g. blacks.

    Affirmative action actually makes all this worse because less smart blacks are constantly elevated to the same at least starting levels in Unis and grad schools and starting elite jobs than whites or Asians, which tends to create the impression that they’re always less smart or almost so. If fewer but equally smart blacks were in the same classes, that impression would be signicantly altered, as would the degree of double think and esp. double speak in our society.

    The races typically have overlapping bell curves of trait differences between races on a given trait.

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  63. on April 16, 2012 at 8:46 pm defcon

    The real question is whether race is a useful concept.

    Certainly biological differences exist between persons. But the issue most have with “race” is that an attempt to accurately capture those biological differences in the classic categories of “black” “white” “red” “brown” “yellow” is not possible.

    If you go far back enough we all came from Africa. And yes groups migrated from Africa and evolution took place and the human species evolved and changes in physical characteristics took place. And maybe some of the biological differences are relevant in that they relate to behaviours and propensities. But the real trick is to then provide categories that can capture those relevant behaviours and propensities. But oh wait, we already do have such categories, namely character traits like intelligence, courage, honesty.

    If there are physical differences that exist between humans that have relevance in that they predict certain types of behaviours and propensities then it might make sense that people should be grouped according to those physical differences. But the concept of “race” is much too clumsy to afford a classification system that can capture those relevant differences in meaningful way.

    Race is simply a construct developed to assert and maintain power. The deeper question of course is why those who developed that concept to maintain and assert their power should be asked to give it up?

    We are ultimately animals and in the animal kingdom, might is right.

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    • on April 16, 2012 at 9:06 pm geo

      Well said defcon

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    • on April 16, 2012 at 10:52 pm Laconophile

      Race isn’t a clumsy classification except in the eyes of the cultural marxist nitpickers.

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      • on April 17, 2012 at 12:24 pm geo

        and scientists who devout their careers to studying human diversity.

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      • on April 17, 2012 at 1:37 pm doug1111

        Wrong.

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      • on April 17, 2012 at 1:55 pm Laconophile

        Like James Watson?

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      • on April 17, 2012 at 1:57 pm Anti-Gnostic

        Race exists just like dog breeds exist. Scientists who devout their careers to proving otherwise (an apt misnomer) are chasing all sorts of chimeras to keep their government funding.

        I could probably get $10 million from the Lord Purpa administration by saying I’ve got a car that runs off the farts of gay unicorns. They’ll also crank up that money spigot for such gems as CO2 is a pollutant, or that drug use and unbelievably high levels of promiscuous buttsex has no deleterious effect on the immune systems of homosexual men.

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    • on April 17, 2012 at 2:05 pm Anti-Gnostic

      The fact that racial phenotypes persist after thousands of years of human existence suggests that the vast majority of people all over the globe find race a very useful concept. Also, these phenotypes arose from environmental pressures. Africans are adapted to hot climates, not cold climates, where they get upper respiratory infections and have trouble absorbing vitamin D.

      At the very least, you can reduce your chances of being a victim of violent crime by sixfold simply by avoiding black people. That’s true even adjusting for income levels. That’s also why white neighbors are more expensive.

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    • on April 17, 2012 at 5:09 pm doug1111

      Race is all about ancestry.

      Some races are on average significantly smarter than others, and have far more people over a given threshold of intelligence, say 120 IQ than others, partly for genetic reasons the weight of the evidence shows, with the rest largely immutable 50 years to trying to close racial gaps has shown.

      These differences rather than continuing racial prejudice and “oppression” or “white privilege” are far more the reason for continuing gaps in educational attainment, income, wealth, rates of committing violent crime per capita and so on.

      But no racial classification isn’t much use in predicting any one individual’s set of traits, and shouldn’t be used for that.

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      • on April 18, 2012 at 4:18 pm doug1111

        Here from Lawrence Auster is a statement as to why it’s important to flout PC taboos and talk about the much lower average intelligence and greater criminality of blacks.

        In my view, the greatest single factor driving whites to national suicide is their false guilt over black inferiority. Because whites believe—as modern liberalism has taught them to believe—that all groups have equal inherent abilities, they also believe that the actual inferiority of blacks in almost every area of accomplishment and behavior must be caused by something bad that the whites are invidiously doing to blacks, or by something good that whites are selfishly refusing to do for blacks. However expressed, it all comes down to the idea that black failure is caused by white racism—the transcendent sin of the modern world. And because black inferiority continues, and is even getting worse, the conclusion is that white racism is continuing, and is even getting worse.

        The final result of this woefully mistaken thought process is the paralyzing racial guilt which makes whites feel that they have no right to defend and preserve their civilization, no right to defend and preserve themselves, but that they must instead self-sacrificially open themselves to and empower, not only blacks, but all nonwhites. This self-sacrifice takes numerous forms, including denial of the truth of black anti-white violence, denial of the tyrannical and murderous reality of Islam, and unquestioning acceptance of the mass Third-World immigration that is steadily turning America into a non-European country in which whites and their civilization will be steadily weakened, dispossessed, and destroyed. Therefore, as I began saying in the mid 1990s, if whites could see the truth that blacks’ lesser intelligence and other lesser civilizational abilities are not whites’ fault but are inherent in blacks themselves, it could literally save the country, by freeing whites from their suicidal guilt.

        http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/019843.html

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  64. on April 16, 2012 at 9:29 pm Randoms « Foseti

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  65. on April 17, 2012 at 3:55 am Unamused

    racist!

    trollolololol

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  66. on April 17, 2012 at 9:36 am demetriustinov

    Great post, dude.

    A while back, I argued with a black dude over the net about this issue. He told me that there was 50% chance of he and I have greater genetical similarity than one of my white friends and I. It struck me as odd, but since I hadn’t looked into the matter myself I took his word for it. But having read through the study left by a user above, mark, I was right to think something was amiss with this “fact”. His 50% is actually close to 0% once enough loci are used. Apparently this impression that a guy in Sweden might have greater genetic similarity to a guy in Nigeria than a fellow Swede (or Dane, or Pole, or Dutchmen, for that matter) is because of the very few loci were used in past studies, which made them crude and unreliable. I’m not surprised by this. Anti-racist campaigners like Gould, Mead, and Lewontin have all been extremely deceptive in their attempts to brainwash the public.

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    • on April 17, 2012 at 2:12 pm corvinus

      Apparently this impression that a guy in Sweden might have greater genetic similarity to a guy in Nigeria than a fellow Swede (or Dane, or Pole, or Dutchmen, for that matter) is because of the very few loci were used in past studies, which made them crude and unreliable.

      In other words, it’s the equivalent of saying that a dark-haired, brown-eyed white person is genetically closer to a nonwhite than to a blond-haired, blue-eyed white person.

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  67. on April 18, 2012 at 4:00 pm Laconophile

    Society is a racial construct.

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  68. on April 22, 2012 at 6:04 pm Roy Rhinestone

    Hysterical conversation between anti-White leftists and some guy who re-frames almost as good as CH.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/20/1085138/-How-racist-Whites-Took-Over-America-#comments

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    • on April 23, 2012 at 7:00 am Roy Rhinestone

      It’s not as good now. The moderators removed his most effective and hysterical replies. These replies weren’t vulgar, or even “racially insensitive. They just couldn’t handle this guy signal handily smashing the anti-White zeitgeist with such an ease.

      The anti-White system is weakening, what will fill the vacuum when it turns to dust?

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      • on April 23, 2012 at 8:07 pm Roy Rhinestone

        They erased all his replies. This is one thing I noticed about Left-wing/liberal/anti-White sites compared with the White Nationalists/race realist/pro-white sites (mainstream Conservative and/or libertardian sites will allow liberals on their sites for debate but not WN/RR/pro-Whites).

        The left sites will always quickly moderate points of view that displeases them. The White sites will openly debate anyone and generally won’t moderate too hard.

        What does this say?

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      • on April 24, 2012 at 1:24 pm doug1111

        You’re right about the contrast in moderation policy.

        I would have liked to be able to read the guy you are referring to. What’s his handle?

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  69. on April 23, 2012 at 1:53 am John

    Race denial is on the same level as gender denial in my books.

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    • on June 10, 2012 at 10:35 am DM6

      This will explain.

      10:00 of this.

      6:30 of this.

      Also remember the one-drop-rule?

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