I was at a party and nearby two guys who seemed to have just met that night (introduced through a mutual friend, probably) were talking to each other. One was taller than the other, and dressed more stylishly. Both of them, near as I can judge these things, were about equally good-looking and the same age.
Stop.
Now, if you had framed the scene right there, and this is all the information I had to go on, (or YOU, the reader, had to go on), you/I would assume the taller, sleeker dressed man was more alpha and did better with the ladies. But this was not all the information available to me. I couldn’t hear their conversation, but I could observe their body language.
The taller man fidgeted a lot. He bounced on the balls of his feet, constantly adjusted his weight from one foot to the other, shoved his hands in and out of his pockets, moved his shoulders around, bobbed his head, craned his neck, nodded frequently, twisted his torso, tapped his toes, lifted his heels, put his fingers up to his mouth, incessantly stirred his drink and generally acted like he had an overabundance of nervous energy that needed burning off.
The other man, the shorter one, barely moved at all. He occasionally smiled and lifted his drink to his mouth, but besides those minimal motions his body remained mostly still. Earthbound. When he talked, the other guy leaned into him to listen; he himself never moved in closer to be sure he was heard, even though the venue was fairly loud.
Now I had the telltale glimpse of each man’s soul, the body language that revealed the extent of their self-possession. Snapshots of men, unlike snapshots of women, tell us little about men’s true value, for a man’s looks and height are but two components of the complete man. You need context, physical expression and interaction to sufficiently judge a man’s alphaness. And fidgeting subcommunicates one thing: betaness.
The taller man’s height and more stylish clothes were inadequate compensation for his beta fidgeting. If he appeared beta to me, you can bet that women, with their finer grained radar resolution for men’s social status and dominance, would near instantly perceive him to be the lower ranked, less attractive beta of the two men.
Get your alpha body language down, because those critical first few minutes (seconds?) you have to make an impression on a woman depend primarily on how powerfully you carry yourself, and nothing influences a woman’s perception faster or more viscerally than your radiating nonverbal vibe.
I was not at all surprised to find that at the end of the night the shorter man was surrounded by women while the taller man sipped a cocktail alone. At least the fidgeter can console himself with this study which shows that fidgeting will help keep you lean.

One of the simplest things to stop doing (I’ve told many guys this over many years and it always helps their approachability) is to drop that damn “Beer Shield”.
Keep your drink down by your hip. The difference is night and day, even if the rest of your mannerisms are beta.
If you don’t believe it, try it out yourself — keeping your beer or cocktail up near your chest makes you really unapproachable.
As to the hands in the pockets problem, just sew those damn things shut until you stop it. My dad told me when I was a kid to not do that because it makes a guy look weak.
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Never thought of that before, but yes. Beer is your sidearm. Not your shield.
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Out of curiosity, if I don’t have a drink in hand I tend to hook my thumbs in my jeans pockets rather than put the hands in; how does that come across in your experience?
[heartiste: thumb hooking is fine. keep one hand out. the worst is plunging both your hands deep into your pockets.]
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For a girl hooking thumbs in the pockets or under the belt is considered a sexually aggressive posture – so I’ve read somewhere. I have a chubby cougar friend who does this while grinning like a possum and it makes me uneasy.
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Man, Heartiste; I sure learned something new here. I always reckoned thumb hooking was the weakest looking of all poses, even below both hands deep in pockets. At least amongst the rail thin, tall khaki wearing academic set; hands deep in pocket, chin sky high and a million mile blank stare is a pretty solid sign of aloofness, albeit perhaps taking that whole thing too far.
Hands on the hips are definitely a stronger pose than either, though. And arms hanging freely at the sides stronger still. In fact, the latter looks almost too confrontational in a relaxed social setting.
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Using your back pocket/s instead pushes your shoulders back and creates an even more alpha posture. I think that was a David D tip.,
[heartiste: good point. i do that. it also forces the crotchal area forward. any posture which forces your crotch outward and thrusting into the world is a good posture.]
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This is why arms behind the back, one hand holding the other wrist, is a good idling position for women. It forces the back straight and the chest forward.
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Also, don’t cross your arms. It usually seems like a guy is hiding behind them, hiding something, or angry. However. stacking ones arms without the final cross is good, in my opinion. Then put your feet at should width. It conveys a calm readiness, for anything really.
A bit like this but his left arm is too far up his right elbow. This conveys weakness. Women stand like this when they are uneasy. Rather bring that left arm down to your elbow and even hook the left thumb inside the right elbow. DO NOT put your feet together. Bring them apart and it is an effective stance.
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I’ve noticed cops often stand with thumbs hooked under the belt. I think it’s a strong pose and conveys confidence. Bulldykes also like this pose, possibly for other reasons, but who cares.
I was pulled over and searched by cops in a small SC town two years ago for no good reason other than having out of state tags and a fresh bundle of pungent rosemary on the dashboard, which he thought might be masking something else. I consented to the search only because I was in a hurry and had nothing to hide. The cop (Fatass A) called in a backup (Cop B) to babysit me as I was ushered away from my truck to stand on the side of the road, in the middle of that little town, which was somewhat humiliating.
I put my hands on my hips and starting pacing around impatiently. Cop B – a very young fit guy (I was 43) remained aloof with thumbs hooked under his belt. He didn’t say much, but he was clearly ready to spring into action in case I elected to go apeshit. Eventually I stopped pacing and folded my arms and waited patiently on the shoulder of the road as people drove by with their accusing stares.
In retrospect I think Cop B’s aloof posture calmed me down a bit. I wonder if cops are taught this stance as an authoritative – calming technique.
In the end, Fatass A wrote me a ticket for speeding. As a side note, I had a set of scales and 50-count box of empty plastic bags in the back (for scientific purposes), which he had missed. Afterward, I pointed this out to him while questioning him about probable cause. He was polite enough, but said he expected to find guns, money and drugs in my overnight bags…WTF? Instead, he found clothes and books: including one on body language, “The Game” and another about an undercover cop in the Mafia, along with some esoteric science journals.
I for one do not ever refer to law enforcement types as “the best and brightest of our nation”. But I think having the badge, uniform and gun, along with the “social proof” results in ultra-alpha body language, which could serve as model for the rest of us in our quest for poon.
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“In retrospect I think Cop B’s aloof posture calmed me down a bit. I wonder if cops are taught this stance as an authoritative ”
yes, that’s exactly how they are trained. also helps them be quick-draw-mcgraw should they need to access a weapon.
“I for one do not ever refer to law enforcement types as “the best and brightest of our nation”. But I think having the badge, uniform and gun, along with the “social proof” results in ultra-alpha body language, which could serve as model for the rest of us in our quest for poon.”
policing is a high authority/low power profession. this is all you need to know whenever dealing with them. in other words, if they tell you to do something, you do it (and have a lawyer deal w whatever follows). if they ask, this is usually a hint they are overstepping their authority and that you do not necessarily need to comply with whatever they are requesting. for EG: unreasonable searches are often preceded by police asking if they can search person/property/premises etc.
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CIA, special forces and law enforcement types are schooled in some highly advanced stuff. There must be some good books or blogs by some retired guys but I can’t think of any. One thing I learned, from reading Mafia stuff, and used recently, and with success in a work setting: If you want to get a sneaky quite type to spill his guts, figure out how to piss him off. But then I used it on a quasi-girlfriend and found out more than I really wanted to know. Now we’re rebuilding our friendship castle brick by brick until it reaches the sky.
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Can you contact me please? editor at interestingtimesmagazine dot net
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I wouldn’t thumb hook, that’s a sign of lower confidence. It’s okay to have your hands in your pocket as long as your thumbs are showing. A high confidence posture.
Go ahead and look it up.
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Look it up where?
I have a fading recollection of a source that says otherwise (one of the widely available books) though I don’t doubt you can back up your claim as well.
Most sources say that anything that calls attention to the groin area is boldly sexual, including the thumb hook, But I agree, it’s sort of dumb-looking and conjures images of the Village People, gay hustlers and nasty bull dykes…….and one stout little cougar that I know with a jolly disposition who is not at all timid about what and who she wants.
The classical costrappo stance, or whatever you call it, is a good default posture.
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I remember being at a thing when I did not have a beer. It seemed to unnerve people. “Where’s your beer?” . Don’t even have a beer until you stop hiding behind the shrinking foam head.
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Yep. One of the toughest men I have been friends with used to yell and cuss me whenever I slipped my hands in my pockets.
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i worked with a natural (i had no game whatsoever) the summer before i went off for college. he gave me one piece of advice before i left.
“hold your drink low”
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yeah, cup your glass with you hand and then hold it down at your side. makes sipping it a pain in the ass but at least you won’t be guzzling it down.
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Great tip. I’ll add another piece to this: your drink shouldn’t have a straw in it.
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My dad was Army officer. No hands in uniform pockets — ever. When he wore a Class A uniform, the only thing he carried was a briefcase. No umbrellas and definitely no shopping bags. Claimed doing any of these was contrary to regulations and for all I know, he was right.
Another thing, name tags went on the right side. Because that’s where your eye goes when you shake hands. On uniforms, name tags on always on the right side. He never got why civilians wore their names on the left.
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name tag on the right. I’ll remember that.
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A.B., love the term “beer shield”. That might have staying power. When out in venues, I love checking out the permiter of the room to spot the chumps holding their beers up to their chest as a force-field protection from the big scary HBs. haha
Great comments all around from everyone, too.
Check out pickup legend Paul Janka and his “arms behind the back, one hand grasping the other elbow” posture.
It’s very disarming, welcoming and non-threatening for a girl who doesn’t know you.
It’s only because he continues to use great eye contact, cocky humor, non-shifty body language and tall posture that the the behind-the-back stance exagerrates the sense of “I’m a cocky Alpha. yes, but innocent enough to talk to for just a quick second”.
VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kA1-BI5V5A&feature=related
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I AM SO ALPHA dat da internets thinks i am heartsiste!!! lzozozozoz
tis dseirously a big clcocplimnet to be cmapaered to da heartisste force of nature lotsa words and lsotas cocksas and lossta insights every day more than men’s health and maxim and all the other beta schlubb neococnth anushole centric publicatsosnssnsn lzoozozo
HEY HEARTISTSEE!!!!!
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http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2012/04/13/relationshipstrategies/contemporary-male-mating-strategies/comment-page-6/#comments
“Emily April 19, 2012 at 3:22 am
I don’t know why I find GBFM so funny. I literally squealed with excitement when I saw his first post over here.
I’m pretty convinced that GBFM is CH, which makes his presence here especially intriguing.”
lzozozozozllz i wish i could hook up smarteter so they would squael GBFM!! lzozlzlzozozlzo squeal GBDM!!! lzozlzozoz
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If they are the same person, and have the free time to output THAT volume of typery, I nominate them both for TurBologger of the Year.
But, who picks up the award?
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Whatever happened to Peter (Glorious Natural Pelt)?
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I’m sorry to report
that Peter choked to death
on a foot-long hair
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And I just nearly choked to death laughing at this obit-haiku.
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seconded. given the health benefits of laughter, you just lengthened my life by a few minutes,Firepower.
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GBFM is a retard. I habitually skip over everything he says.
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Gotta agree: savants piping up in college lecture halls
have limited appeal
Now, I’m glad Sam Kinnison
is dead
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Don’t be so flattered, Aunt Giggles thought I was CH just a month ago.
We are CH and we are legion!
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this is what it will be like when i am typoneyieng blogging at my comupter one day ad and heartistse come sin da door into my bedororororommmccSss!!
zozozozo
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I’m amazed
I never knew
there could be
a more annoying media
than your actual writing style!
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This is the kind of post we can use. Beta body language is a terribly hard habit to break.
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Cut it off at the source. Its what you are thinking. Always remember you are in a room full of schmucks who are not worth your time. You gonna be right much of the time anyway.
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I like that. That’s my default state, it works too. It also makes you more driven to get stuff done, considering you’re surrounded by “knowledge workers” and other trash.
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I just picture people naked (no homo). Then it’s no problem keeping the amused smirk on my face; the hard part is not bursting out laughing at them.
I once read in some body language book that an alpha pose is to clasp your hands behind your back, because it says “I’m not even worried about protecting my nuts”. The g/f at the time (without my asking) said it looked beta as shit. Probably the same issue as hiding your hands in your pockets. So much for the experts.
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Funny, I do that to posters.
I’m picturing YOU naked, right now
and you’re HOT
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Always knew you had good taste Firepower.
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having your hands behind your back is a high confidence posture. Just wouldn’t look to natural in a bar setting. Now if you were giving a speech or a talk, different story.
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I observed a guy with two excellent females last night at the bike races downtown. They were early twenties, probably college students. He was tall and lanky and walking with his arms clasped behind his back, but was nervously caressing his wrist with his thumb, so despite this posture, he came across more as a beta orbiter type with this caressing activity. Caressing yourself is probably always bad. And he was walking behind the gilrs, which is probably also always bad.
Another thing I’ve noticed with couples on my quasi-daily runs through the local bot garden trails. Most, probably even 80% of the time the female is walking in front of the male on these narrow wooded paths. Granted, there is no danger but letting a woman walk in front has to be a very bad move with few exceptions…unless you’re teasing her about being a hyperactive spaz.
I often wonder what percent of the male population is aware of game principals. It must be pretty low. Personally I don’t know any males in real life who are, but I know plenty of females who are.
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Yes, Geo, I like being led around a bit. I sometimes cling onto the guy’s clothing. For a secure feeling.
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I was in a fast food restaurant recently and a really good looking man walked in. The minute he started to order, he lost all appeal to me. It was something about his demeanor. Body language is important.
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That happens to me when I infrequent the quick trough, but its usually what she ordered last time. Body is important.
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Men don’t fidget. Period.
Watch Mystery’s old vids.
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Great advice. No self touching or wringing of the hands or touching the face or scratching the head. Cut all of it. No self grooming, none of that.
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lzozozozozlzo
come gather roun my chcildren
take da red pill
and ye shall see the world for what it is
tyhe green streamins of data behnd da face zlozozlzoz
i can show you the way, neo, but you will have to walk it zlozlzlzozzlozlzlzo
ozlzlz the more you read me and ch the mroe your life will improve as you come to see the fiat butthex matrix for what it is — you will see the green streams of fiat data (dripping with buttdouche fresh off the butthex presses) like the matrix but with a subltle difference as some of you wieinsteinas have already seen for urself lzozzll
at the ned of the matrix neo saw it as
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1101001010100101010
1101010101011101001
0101010000010101111
0100101111111101010
1101010101001001001
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0100101010010101010
and when you have walked the path you too will see the butthexing matrix for what it is and how the fed funded the desouling of womenz with massive amounts of douchcock frrom an early age in all tehir orfices and are acting through the soulles temptresses to seize your assetts now when a girl says, “what i really really want is a nice guy, i’m tired of the asswholes (lozlzl who got her younger hotter tighter)” instead of hearing what she says and then trying to be a nice guy you will hear the truth behind the butthexing matrix’s facade lzozlzl:
10101010010110101010101010
10101010101010101010010110
101010z01010z0101l01zzlzozll1
1o1o1o1o1ozozozo1o1o101011
1o1o1o1oozozzozozozozo01011
lozlzlzozlzozlozzlzozlzozlzozzoz1
1010i1o1o1want1010a01010001
douchebag10to butthex me0101
010and i want you 2 buy me100
01meals and a ring while i01011
0101give by butt & vagina01010
010away for free to butthexers1
100who tape it scretely lzozl100
zlzozllzlzlzozlzozzloozzllz and101
1010make my anus sore for010
1010days010101 101010101011
1010lolsolsoslslollzzlozlzzozlz010
0101pay 4 my meals0101001010
101010and1010maybe1010u1010
1001can1010touch1010my10dry
101001dried1010up110pussy100
101stds stds stds0101010101010
10101buy me 1010a ring1010101
1010for100the1010pussy1010i100
0101gave1010away1010for0101
1010free1010when1010it0was10
100younger1010hotter0110lozlz
lolzlztighter1010and010propose01
1010so1001i1010can0110rape10
1010your101010anus1010in0101
1010divorce01010court1010and01
10transfer010your0101assets1001
1010to1010bernanke1001and1010
1010the1010fiat1010buttheex1010
1001matrix01010lozlzlzlzlzlzzozllzzl
omglzozlzlzllzlzlzzzlzllzlzlzlzlzlzllzlzllz
10lzozllzlz0zzllllzllzllzlzz1ozozlzlzl0
010111010101010101101010101
the sublime act of butthex is a beuatiful metaphor for what the fed does to a currency and a country, which is why the neocon weekly standard celebrates butthexers–es[pecially those who taope it without the girkl’s conthent and profit off the act. lzozlzlzlzl!
[on the war that devastated the Real World]
Morpheus: We don’t know who butthexed first, us or them. But we do know it was them that videotaped it without our consent while scorching the sky wioth a long trail of butthex lies. At the time, they were dependent on butthex power. It was believed they would be unable to survive without an energy source as abundant as the common man’s collective anushole. lozzllzlzlzzl
Trinity: I know why you’re here, Neo. I know what you’ve been doing… why you hardly sleep, why you live alone, and why night after night, you sit by your computer reading ch & GBFM. You’re looking for him. I know because I was once looking for the same thing. And when he found me, he told me I wasn’t really looking for him. I was looking for an answer. It’s the question that drives us, Neo. It’s the question that brought you here. You know the question, just as I did.
Neo: What is the butthex fiat Mathrix?
Trinity: The answer is out there, Neo, and it’s looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to.
[Neocon sees a black cat walk by them, and then a similar black cat walk by them just like the first one]
Neocon: Whoa. Déjà vu.
[Everyone freezes right in their tracks]
Trinity: What did you just say?
Neocon: Nothing. Just had a little déjà vu.
Trinity: What did you see?
Cypher: What happened?
Neocon: A black cat went past us, and then another that looked just like it.
Trinity: How much like it? Was it the same cat?
Neocon: It might have been. I’m not sure.
Morpheus: Switch! Apoc!
Neocon: What is it?
Trinity: A déjà vu is usually a glitch in the butthexMatrix. It happens when they change something. Now that I am an aging women in the butthex matrix with her eggs and gina drying up having given the best years of her anus to drunk alphas during her college desouling years via massively multiplayer asscockig in the butt sessions and getting her fiat mba (masters of butthexing in da Anus) and blowing upper level mangement lzozllz, the butthexmatrix is now delivering my cats. Two this morning and now two more. yaya! lozlzl
lozlzlzlzlzl
Morpheus: The Fiat lozllolozllzzl butthex Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. lzozozozozl! But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, bloggers, teachers, betas, lawyers, herbs, carpenters, and neocon womenz writing for the weekly standard, repeating the fiat lies of secretive tapers of butthex without teh girls conthent lzozlzlzlzl. The very minds and anusholes of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that butthex system and that makes them our anus’s lozlzlzozzozozl enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unbuttplugged. And many of them are so inured to butthex, so hopelessly dependent on the system of secretive tapings of butthex without tehir conthent, that they will fight to protect it and reapet the lies of secretive tapers of butthex in teh pages of the weekly standard even though they seem to be nice neocon ladies.
[Neo’s eyes suddenly wander towards a woman in a red dress]
Morpheus: Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress (woman as temptress in the heor’s journey myth) who was desouled via copious fiat-funded butthex from butthexers celerbated in teh pages of the weekly standard?
Neo: I was…
Morpheus: [gestures with one hand] Look again.
[the desouled, massively-butthexed woman in the red dress is now a bestselling new york times author, pointing a cock at Neo’s ass; Neo ducks]
Morpheus: Freeze it.
[Everybody and everything besides Neo and Morpheus freezes in time]
Neo: This… this isn’t the butthex Matrix?
Morpheus: No. It is another training program designed to teach you one thing: if you are not one of us lozlzlzlzlers, you are one of them butthexers.
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i wanna start lzozlzlzl media where we have a character based on ch who sees green streams of streaming data every time a bernankified chick opens her moutrh and throughout every episode all the herbs and betas pay for the meals of the chix ch butthexes in the end due to his supreme knowelge of being THE ONE lzozlzlzllzzl
i would be more like one of those minor characters along for the ride in the mother ship stanidng off to the side going lzozlzz zlzozlzozlzozlz zlzozllzozlzlzlz and don’t gte me worng i would score with all the hotties but like ch woudl get first pick for his lead dick and i’d get the next two as that’s only fair lzozlzlzlzllzlzllzl
Great Books For M
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GBFM, I love your writings. And like the actual canon of great books, they often demand much focus and concentration from the reader, but are always worth the effort.
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Can someone ban this bot already? Seriously tired of this spam.
https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&q=%22at+the+ned+of+the+matrix+neo+saw+it+as%22
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Fuck off.
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+1000
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+1001
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loozozlzolzozlzozl
sounds like dan needs 2 be unpluuged from tda butetehxuxal matrix
any fvolnuneters?
it coudl egt messys !! zoozoozozl
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GBFM is a bot? I’m crushed.
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no i am not a bot even though that’s what dan’s and aaron’s wives calls me lzozozozlozolz GBFM da bot zlozzzozo da fuxxoring machine gbffm lzzozlozoz
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Hell no. GBFM is funny as hell. Even if he repeats himself, it’s like Constable painting another seaside. .
Besides, the Matrix skit is a fairly accurate portrayal of the war of the sexes. There are a lot of desouled cat-ladies out there, hoping to find some innocent beta to “settle down with” (loot)
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someone unplug this guy from the butthex matrix
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If you’re new here, the GBFM is kind of like a mascot. He livens up the place.
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lzoozloolzlozoz
david letterermwanz has his paul schafer zlozzo
da beatles had der ringo starrr lzozlzozo
conan obrien has that fat dude zlzozlzozo
batman had robin
heartiste has da GBFM lzozlzooozo (but not like da batman robin relationship zlzozozlzo)
heartsiste and me are kinda like fitty cent and emineienmz zlzoozzloz
gee willikerikers heartiste, they’ve got me surrounded!!!! zlzoozllzoz
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I’m with Aaron. GBFM is way too verbose. If he could cut the BS (and the non-english verbiage), I might take the time to read him.
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LMFAO.
So. Much. Win.
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Jesus Christ, dude.
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you said it man! noboy fucks with da jesus!! zlzolzzlzozo
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Yeah go Jebus! He resErected.
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It’s all about not giving a flying fuck.
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No, its about only caring about the right things. Omegas are the ones who truly “don’t care”.
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Wrong.
Omegas don’t care because they have no choice.
Alphas don’t care unless it benifits them.
Not giving a fuck is talking about what people think about you or how you live your life. People feed off a man who doesn’t apologize for being unique(not in a world of Warcraft kind of way, though).
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Its not so much body language as it is facial expression. Women have an uncanny ability to sense what you’re really feeling – this is why the best “Game” is to be actually happy. Easier said than done…
I’ve also found that closing my eyes and pretending to take a nap is a good attraction builder.
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I’m skeptical of this. Women might be slightly better than men in their ability to read emotions, but this notion that other people can tell what we are really feeling is erroneous. Google the “Spotlight Effect” and read up on it. It’s the same with body language. The people that are in the tops in this field (like the FBI guy who wrote a fantastic book “What Everybody is Saying”) state that experts would be lucky if they could catch lies 60% of the time. So with years and years of experience and training a person can be 10% better than a toss of a coin in reading people.
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Nothing is more Beta putting on an act of being Alpha. Alpha should come from within or don’t bother.
To me Alpha is going and approaching the woman you like, even if you are dressed terrible, are sweating buckets, consider her out of your league etc etc. It worked for me. The hottest girl I ever dated told me to “slow down and take a deep breath” when I was entering her number in my phone because my hands were shaky. The point being nothing replaces the significance of acting upon your desires.
You must love yourself (and your acts) unconditionally.
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You can only pretend for so long. Eventually they will sniff it out.
[heartiste: this hardly ever happens in real life. the “she’ll sniff it out” hypothesis is a favorite trope of the anti-gamers and feminists (but i repeat myself) who can’t bear to think that men can learn to become more attractive in a way that women can’t.]
Being dominant is not about the interaction, the text after, the follow up, and even the bang itself. It goes further than a routine. It must be a part of your everyday life.
[banging girls on the strength of early game will increase a man’s confidence so that it does become a part of his everyday character.]
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You won’t have to pretend for long because you’ll have done it enough to the point were it becomes natural.
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I’m neither, because I’ve used the advice mentioned on this blog. So, it’s not an ‘trope’. I’m just saying it would be better if you were actually an ‘alpha’, instead of faking it in the long term.
In terms of LTRs, if you are not naturally a dominant male… it won’t last(which was what I’m implying). Yes, you will get quick bangs from your routines, yet it’s hard to maintain the ‘alpha facade’ if you are not leading. She will eventually see you’re a beta by heart and move on. You can’t let up.
I’m not saying a submissive man cannot be dominant, but it would be truly difficult. There is a reason most men are sheep.
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@LionSoul
Of course if you’re in the process of become a dominate male relationships won’t last but the point is to become a dominate male. Which starts by a man doing things he normally wouldn’t do.
Bali’s mindset (“Alpha should come from within or don’t bother”) is a ridiculous one to have but isn’t new, to many people feel that if you didn’t have certain qualities beforehand you shouldn’t go about developing them.
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If you still believe in love, you are still a beta at heart. Period.
Because once you find ‘the one’ and get married… the old beta will slowly but surely return.
I don’t believe in the whole hollywood concept of love. I look at things more… naturally.
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Jesus you’re thick. How many times do you need people to repeat: “you fake it until it brines natural and you’re no longer faking it”.
“but in an LTR eventually she’ll discover…”
By the time you’re in an LTR you’ve already internalized and become the alpha you were learning to be. There’s no beta to discover underneath it all.
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8lllllllllllllD
Keep scrolling.
It’s my opinion due to the interactions I’ve seen by men who find ‘the one’ and become their beta shells.
Even Mystery had his massive beta melt downs with the chick he was with in Straus’s book.
If you can read and comprehend, I said that some submissive people can learn to be dominant; but it’s truly difficult to change. If it were that easy, then all men who read ‘game books’ would be gurus.
Like I said before, I use game and whats listed in this blog, but I’m also a naturally dominant person who’s always had success before it.
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Returning to your beta self after forming a relationship isn’t a definite.
It’s easy for some men and hard for others, but it’d be stupid to cite other men failures as the reason not to try.
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[… men can learn to become more attractive in a way that women can’t.]
But women can become more attractive. Talk to an American/British/Swedish woman – and then talk to a Frenchwoman. The difference is immediately noticeable; you feel it where it matters. The Frenchwoman may even be psysically less attractive.
Don’t forget that there used to be great courtesans in the world (there probably still are). They wern’t born that way; they were trained. So even women today could, if they wanted, learn to be great seducers.
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Yes. Women can become more attractive in game-like ways by sending out submission signals. It is not as powerful as game is for men, and it might be less effective than cosmetics are for women, but it certainly is a factor. The “97% physical” canard is as much a blind-spot for Heartiste as game is to game-deniers.
Women could do all kinds of behavioral reforms. The problem is, they have no capacity to explore this niche. Because they are women. They do not think methodically and rationally. They think impressionistically, which is why they are good at style and fashion (“that color works on you!”) but well nigh retarded at articulating with any precision how behavior affects them (“I dunno what it is, he’s just creepy!”). There is no female Heartiste. There cannot be.
Maybe a fairy could pull it off: the acquired radar of a woman + the natural aptitude of a man. Like hairdressers and stylists.
Matt
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The women I’ve known who just ooze charm usually got it from having to deal with adults in an adult manner at a very young age. Its a little like child actors who are too young to understand that so many people are watching them, then they arent scared later because they are already used to it..the fear stage is bypassed. Dont you wish you did the same learning game?
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That says so much, right there.
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Its both. Game can help, but you are also limited by innate traits. Learning Game will allow to sleep with women of one notch above what you normally get… except in rare exceptions.
Heartiste actually wrote this in one of his various manifestos.
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The whole point of nature’s game is to put that shit eating grin on someone who just learned how to kill wooly mammoth. Man succeeds at survival, swaggers into the mud brick house, girls take notice. Something similar happens with girls after 14.
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“You must love yourself (and your acts) unconditionally.”
That is the basis of game for me. Congruence with your character and your inner self is important, but it must be learned somehow. ‘Faking’ alpha tendencies will eventually reflect back. It does work. Your inner self is as changeable as your personality, in essence it is always changing.
Body language particularly is a major part of any social interaction, and it can be learned/faked. You make instantaneous judgements on someone by the way he holds himself. Your perception is then changed and you treat them accordingly. They respond accordingly.
If you intend on displaying confidence you will have it at once, it’s just how it works. It’s not enough to just say you want it, you have to grasp the actual feeling.
What you say is echoed by the body. This link cannot be broken. Faking confidence will breed confidence. In time you learn to love yourself because that is your true intention all along.
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I agree that one shouldn’t get caught up in the mental gymnastics of what is alpha or what is beta (which is pretty ridiculous). Men are meant for action. Plain and simple.
[heartiste: the alpha/beat/omega nomenclature is important because we need a way to define and illustrate those men who do well with women from those who don’t.]
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The tall guy probably did some blow.
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Simple trick to help with fidgeting that I believe the US Military uses. Put your thumb together with your index and middle fingers and squeeze them. You’ll eventually grow out of it and not need it, but it makes a world of difference when you are starting to master alpha body language.
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I am usually relaxed and confident, with slow body movements. When I walk, I walk fast and purposefully.

However, whenever I’m in a group of people, I always naturally find myself standing “arms akimbo”:
This pose I’ve always found works well on girls, as it’s totally open, honest and direct.
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That is no doubt the ultimate alpha pose.
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Lol’d at the pic. I bet that faggot can suck a mean dick.
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Alexander Technique can help with fidgeting and posture–if you can find a decent teacher.
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We can’t micromanage our body language, and hope to be fully present emotionally and intellectually. The subconscious mind & limbic system are too directly wired into the cerebellum for us to constantly monitor our movements. As an example, people who bite their fingernails often aren’t even aware they’re doing it. Same with the hands in pockets, fidgeting, etc.
The trick to getting solid, confident, alpha body language is to hack the subconscious so that it handles the details of confident body language for you, so you don’t have to be hypervigilant. Hypervigilance is counterproductive.
I can’t find the study on it at the moment, (it was probably via Bakadesuyo), but the jist of it is that you need to visualize yourself as HUGE, ginormous, as if you’re taking up all the space in the room, you’re eight feet tall and five feet wide, your arms and legs are massively muscled, your trunk is full of power and gust.. Incidentally, this is also a traditional qigong & martial arts meditation to prepare fighters for battle.
The study on this technique was interesting, and personally, I’ve found it to work wonders. I naturally find myself standing in contraposto, without even thinking about it, and I easily flow into a relaxed state of deep breathing, relaxed shoulders, a slight, almost undetectable smirk of self-satisfaction, and a state of playful confidence. It’s helped me rock several job interviews recently, and it also helps a ton in social settings.
Hacks like this work if they actually make you feel confident, which I think this one does. Your body language then flows from a congruent place.
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some good tips. Meditation and visualization are great ideas. Just realize that you need to practice stuff like this everyday. Just like everything else in life, if you are committed to making big changes or improvements you are gonna need to put in the work. Suit up and boot up fellas.
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Good crash course in strong body language: John Travolta in ‘Saturday Night Fever’. Pay special attention to how he enters the dance clubs; he’s like a walking, talking hard-on who can dance.
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lolz
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Honestly, the best solution for fixing beta behavior is to get into the gym and start lifting heavy. If you think about it, betas act beta because there is a more powerful male than them in a given social setting.
[heartiste: that’s not really it, though it could be it. no, betas are beta because of a string of rejections from women early in life coupled with some inherited personality and physical traits.]
The alpha(s) hold an advantage because they could, hypothetically, initiate violence if they needed to.
[most alphas i’ve know who are good with women were not the type of guys who looked like they could win a fight, nor were they itching to get into fights.]
You’re thinking: but there’s police and laws these days to protect me.
Doesn’t really matter. Getting beaten down is still a humiliating event. Even if the dude(s) who wrecks you are incarcerated, it doesn’t change the fact that you got dominated. Whether on an overt of subconscious level, people won’t take you seriously.
So if you have, at least, deterrent capacity in a social setting, you will begin to feel innately alpha.That will reflect in your body language. You’ll begin wondering why the anxieties you had before were ever anxieties.
If you move into a position where you or a group of friends hold a monopoly on the initiation of force in a social setting, you also monopolize the women.
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So, I actually had this happen to me a week or so ago. I got my ass beat by my roommate in a fistfight. I never threw a punch, slipped all of his, but in the end I was left on the ground with a girl that got away and another friend. He was like a brother to me and saw after to continue said humiliation by making me apologize. Saying things like I was hoping so and so would give you pity sex. He has no idea I carry on another life where I maintain a nice harem, get paid more per hour then him, and work less for more respect.
Tonight, I saw the first hint of people in this social group subconscious loss of respect for me. I just didn’t care.
Is it weakness if you graciously stay your blade to allow another to live because you know you can reap the benefit of pain better then they can?
It is. I do it anyways.
I have a lot to think about still. I feel innately alpha as you put it. I don’t have anxiety. I do get flashes of him punching me and I realize hes been pushing me around in different ways for most of the time I have known him.
I really don’t know what to say, I am just entertaining all options and thought my story was relevant.
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keep your head up man. no dishonor in losing a fight, or even refusing to get in one. but ppl will mirror your internal shame and awkwardness if you let it eat at you after.
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That’s what happened to me after high school. I never looked back.
Yet, in game’s defense, there are a lot of meat heads that are lousy in maintaining a relationship with women. It’s not because of their ‘confidence’ per se; it’s more because of their upbringing and how they were taught to treat women chivalrously because they were the weaker sex.
They still can pick up chicks just fine.
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I agree that game is necessary. It’s simply more likely that game will come naturally to somebody who is confident in their physical capabilities.
[heartiste: or confident in their status, or confident in their occupation, or confident in their wit, or confident in their humor, or confident…. eh, you get the point.]
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“The taller man fidgeted a lot. He bounced on the balls of his feet, constantly adjusted his weight from one foot to the other, shoved his hands in and out of his pockets, moved his shoulders around, bobbed his head, craned his neck, nodded frequently, twisted his torso, tapped his toes, lifted his heels, put his fingers up to his mouth, incessantly stirred his drink and generally acted like he had an overabundance of nervous energy that needed burning off.”
It’s called being gay.
[heartiste: he was straight. i saw him try to talk to a girl and he looked nervous.]
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An addendum to the above: you could, potentially, simply hire thugs to do the heavy lifting for you. These are your modern-day bodyguards, bouncers, and rent-a-cops.
Point is: have deterrent capacity at the least. The monopoly on force is optimal.
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Re: leaning in. I was an acquaintance with a dude with whom I repeatedly got thrown into conversations with because of various social constructs. And I visualize the body language matched the scenario H deconstructed, me being the tall guy who leans in and bobs hiim being stoic short guy, etc. I learned a trick from that shorter guy who got people to lean into him. He never leaned in to listed to people (you know, at loud bars), he just took nonverbal cues to move his head “ah-hah,” or whatever, laugh when the other person laughs or just say general stuff. The point being, there are rhythms to conversations that you can fake without having to put your ear near someone’s mouth. On a related note, a natural I know talks very softly, even in loud bars, forcing people to lean in on him. I guess it works because bitches love him. Finally, it does help to keep your beer at your side, I noticed that once I start talking to girls approaching my attractiveness glass ceiling, where I am overwhelmed by their attractiveness, that my drink goes up to protect me from the HB9, it used to take some effort to force that drink hand back down.
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Another addendum: alternatively, you can simply behave like a martyr. Go headfirst into social situations with alpha behavior even if you lack the means to back it up with physical force. A lot of people, even physical alphas, won’t find the abrasiveness they feel from you to be worth conflict and will instead try to dig at you in passive-aggressive fashion or ignore you.
Obviously, however, this takes a lot of don’t-give-a-fuck attitude and maybe a little screws loose up top. I believe smaller PUA’s, like Tyler Durden, exemplify this character.
I’ll bet my balls that Durden could care less about getting beat up by a bigger dude.
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Tyler is more than well equipped to deal with big scary guys lol:
http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/In_the_Middle/AMOG/628.html
If you go out a lot and talk to a lot of mixed sets and deal with a lot of these “big scary alphas” you’ll find that the vast vast majority of them are only alpha when no one is fucking with them. If you understand social dynamics you can run circles around these guys and get them seeking your approval and buying you drinks and shit WHILE you take their girls. Even if you’re a skinny little guy.
Anyone who doubts it, go out more and put yourself in these situations more.
Paul Janka is skinny fat and joked that the best players are jobless and out of shape cause they’re the ones with all the free time to hit on girls. The other guys are too busy working or hitting the gym while he’s off gaming girls. There’s something to be said for that.
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Those quips will work on socially retarded alphas. I contend that alphas are far more socially calibrated than betas and, speaking from experience, that stuff isn’t going to work a lot of the time unless you’re willing to adopt a martyr-mentality. As I said above, you need to project a frame that is powerful enough to make it not worth beating your ass. If the girls in the group happen to be worth pounding your face in for, however, it will probably happen.
I believe that Durden could give a fuck less about riling up the AMOG and getting hit in the face. I’m also willing to bet that he’s gotten his fair share of bruises in his day.
I often see people online trying to tell me that physical fitness isn’t important to game, but I’ve never actually seen this verified in-field. From my observation and experience, a great deal of female attraction is based on a man’s physical stature.
People forget that a lot of these guys who write about Game are tall dudes. Like 6′ 3” or so. When you’re that height, you’re already naturally alpha and you don’t really need to build muscle. Game for you is about not fucking up and fixing your social awkwardness.
I’ve also noticed that relationships between small, skinny dudes and hot girls are ephemeral and it usually only takes one amoral, aggressive alpha to get her to jump ship.
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You can contend whatever you want. Go out and hit on girls taller than you, who are with guys that are bigger than you. Do it a lot. Do it until you can take those girls without getting your ass beat. Or sit down and shut the fuck up about what “will probably happen”.
“From my observation and experience, a great deal of female attraction is based on a man’s physical stature.”
You need better observation and more experience.
“People forget that a lot of these guys who write about Game are tall dudes. Like 6′ 3” or so.”
Ya, totally, I mean look at all these beefed up giants linked below.
“I often see people online trying to tell me that physical fitness isn’t important to game, but I’ve never actually seen this verified in-field.”
Cool, allow me:
Brown guy is 5’7″, white guy is 5’9″, asian guy is 6’0″:
Tyler Durden is a 5’8″ balding pale ginger. At 7:10 in the video below, a tall (6’2″+) club guy tries to take Tyler’s girl. At 11:10 in the video, Tyler’s tall wingman purposely tries to take his girls from him. They do this to eachother on purpose to test their game:
At 7:50, this chick is way taller than him:
Jeffy is 5’7″:
Alex is 5’7:
Cajun is 5’7:
Here’s Tyler blabbing about looks and why they seem to matter and how the journey is longer for you if you’re an ugly fuck (but the reason it’s longer is that you’re more internally fucked up than a good-looking guy):
Ya, there are tall pickup instructors. No, it’s not relevant. No, your gay “amoral aggressive alpha” can’t take girls from a guy with solid game. I’m 5’9″ and Affliction douche AMOGs at the club try to take girls from me all the time. Most of my regular wingmen are 6’2″+ AND have game and I have to compete against them for girls (every time it comes down to who’s more “on” that night).
I have a buddy who’s 5’2″ and skinny and takes girls off their boyfriends (he does it thru social proof) and dates girls taller than him (since they’re all taller than him) and has big guys trying to tool, intimidate, insult him all the time. But his frame is super tight and he always comes out on top and the guys end up qualifying themselves to him as the girls slip him their number or ask him to hang out.
In conclusion: Go out more.
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You’re free to believe what you want. I’ve done well over 100 approaches, and I know what’s worked for me and what hasn’t.
Posting 40 Durden videos isn’t going to help your case. Pickup masters who’ve learned to masterfully navigate around their genetic shortcomings by dedicating their entire lives to the craft of attracting women are not only rare, but prove my point about physical stature as well. You think these guys would have had the impetus to master pickup if they were genetically gifted?
Know why Durden is one of the only PUA’s whose lectures are taken seriously? It’s because he’s actually had to put in three lifetime’s worth of toil in order to get where he is.
Note, I’m also 5′ 9” and was born ectomorphic, so I’m not just talking out of my ass here. My natural size is a biological turn-off to most women, and I know that. I decided to get bigger to offset that deficit. Is it going to make women suddenly be uncontrollably attracted to me? Probably not. Is it going to give me more options in social settings? I’ll spoil the suspense for you: it has.
Nobody who’s serious about pickup is going to tell you that looks/stature don’t matter. You can read people who agree with my assessment across the manosphere.
[heartiste: the problem isn’t puas saying looks don’t matter. the problem is most men thinking that looks matter more than they really do.]
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Heartiste: I agree.
My philosophy on looks is that they’re not necessarily going to make the girl fuck you. Having good aesthetic projection is just one variable in the attraction-building equation.
Note, while physical dominance and aesthetic appeal to women are often linked, it still takes the right attitude and experience to leverage those advantages in a way that will get you laid. That’s where game comes into play.
[heartiste: you make it sound like looks and height are necessary to get laid. but they are not. helpful, yes. but a shorter, average looking guy with tight game can clean up. game comes into play in any context, with any man. the degree to which game helps varies by the man, but help it does, independent of other factors. game isn’t about leveraging looks per se; it’s about projecting power and charm.]
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Oh!!! Fuck!!! *100* whole approaches!! Shit my bad I didn’t realize I was talking to a pro here! Wow!! How did you get that much experience?? You must have been doing this for at least a month hey? No wonder you’ve reached such adamant conclusions.
Hey so I started lifting weights last week and I think I’ve reached my genetic potential. I mean, I’ve been doing it a whole week and I haven’t become as big as Jay Cutler. Do you think it’s time I try steroids? I mean, I’ve been doing this a whole WEEK so I KNOW it’s impossible for me to get bigger, I’m an ectotransoninjamorph and shit.
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Awesome as usual.
And you should stop arguing about height and looks. You should start beating people up.
Troll : “Oh you know it’s all about height and looks”
Yareally: (BAM!) “Shut the fuck up!”
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“Like 6′ 3” or so. When you’re that height, you’re already naturally alpha”
not true (and im a hair under 6’5). there are tonnes of tall dudes whose height only amplifies their awkwardness and insecurity. height, like money, is an asset. its how you use it that matters.
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True but fuck, way to put the entire nation at risk.
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That’s a fair enough attitude to take as long as it’s not being taken by an anti-sex social conservative Santorum supporter who’s just looking for an excuse to condemn behavior he’s secretly envious of or she feels threatened by (men seeking out younger women).
Conservative men who take this position in comment sections of the major media, should give the finger to these types at the same time.
Also, I saw too many comments in the media by supposed Ron Paul types who seemingly took the position that anyone working for the US federal government shouldn’t be allowed to have a social life on their own time, including servicepeople.
One has to narrow it down to “SS men casing a venue before the arrival of the President shouldn’t be bringing strangers back to their rooms or putting themselves in a position where they could be blackmailed”.
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Putting the nation at risk of what?
Finding out that skinnier, hotter chicks cost way less to bang than the fat whores called American wives?
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Two words: Anna Chapman
Hot Russian spy that got very close to a top Obama official.
Article 1: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2124371/Russian-agent-Anna-Chapman-came-close-catching-Obama-official-honey-trap-U-S-spy-catcher-claims.html
Pics from her MAXIM shoot:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mathieus/russian-spy-anna-chapman-for-maxim-magazine-nsfw-8q4
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Two major media pieces from today, one anti-male and one pro-male:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17729478
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/why-the-us-economy-is-biased-against-men/256023/
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I’ve experimented with not drinking when going out, and have found that it doesn’t seem to hamper my attractiveness to women. Some guesses as to why:
1) It shows that I’m doing my own thing, which is appealing in the “outcome independence” sense and provokes curiosity. When it came up, I gave various reasons as to why (i.e. “If it’s good enough for Salvador Dalí, it’s good enough for me.”)
2) Amusingly enough, it can lead to a dynamic wherein the woman will be trying to get you drunk. That’s a fun position to be in. Ok, I did crack out the whiskey last week when I had a girl back to my place, at her insistence. Why not?
3) I’m steady on my feet. I can be in a room of 20 people and be the single steadiest person. That’s got to be noticeable on some level. As suggested in your critique of the tall man’s fidgetiness, not swaying back and forth and making exaggerated gestures has got to count for something.
Note: I’m not a “player,” but I am willing to admit when game has gotten me positive female attention.
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My body language is pretty good. I’ve permanently gotten rid of the “beer shield”. Is amazing how many guys have their beer shield up at all times. Fidgeting is still probably my biggest issue though…
I’ve noticed after a few months of using a standing work-station I naturally begin to take contrapposto poses while standing for extended periods.
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What??? YaReally posting Tyler stuff??? No way!!!
Tyler Durden’s 25 Points Bodylanguage Checklist:
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/60062
This was from wayyyyy the fuck back, maybe even pre-The Game. Everyone in this thread should go thru the 25 points and think about whether they do them or not.
[heartiste: i used to laugh at my own jokes a little too much. hey it’s me! then i stopped doing that when i read it was beta behavior (and when i noticed naturals never doing it).]
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Question, do acting classes help? I.E. “play a role” when at some social gathering? I’ve often thought they do.
[heartiste: slipping into “roles” in the middle of conversations (when the context allows) is absolute catnip to chicks. tough to do if you don’t have a creative mind though. really requires thinking on your feet.]
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“The eerie 450 year old prophecies of Mother Shipton. “and wives shall fondle cats and dogs” http://bit.ly/eFGVaI”
I read the whole thing and it scared the fuck out of me.
Thanks for the upcoming nightmares.
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That Shipton piece is questionable at best. One example: It claimed that one of the martian moons, Phobos, was hit by an asteroid or comet in 1998 and knocked out of orbit. This isn’t true. There are recent photos of it, and if you have access to a powerful enough telescope, you can verify it for yourself.
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“The point being nothing replaces the significance of acting upon your desires.
You must love yourself (and your acts) unconditionally.”
This: hack yourself to become your (hacked) self… reap the rewards, let the universe bend over for *your* desire-cock, and marvel at how life whores itself for people too dumb or too cunning to accept that they aren’t all that. You can be born ‘alpha’…but you can train that shit too- the clue’s in the term itself, putting yourself *first* lol The universe actually does get wet for narcissists,sociopaths et al.
Don’t become that asshole, but ‘borrow’ some bits and pieces to get pussy!
TIP: women *are* the universe… fecund,primordial,shape-shifting, and ultimately meaningless without male control.Women exist to serve *our* desires, just a the universe is raw material for our grand (failed) experiment in sentience….be the hand that molds her clay, be the air to her earth, the form to her chaos….
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My body language was horrible before pickup. Introverted shy computer nerd scared of the world. It took a fuckton of work and time to correct. Now I don’t have to think about it.
I used to have this jacket that ripped on one cuff so some material would hang down and bug me. I didn’t want to rip it off because it would look weirder so I started just grabbing the cuff part in my hand. About a month later I got a new jacket and I noticed I’d instinctively grab for the now non-existent ripped cuff. I wasn’t thinking “gotta hold that cuff”, my body just did it. That was when I realized we can change our body language. Later on I learned about the whole “21 days of doing something rewires your brain” concept which I assume is what was going on there.
Don’t listen to guys who say you can’t fix your body language or that you shouldn’t waste time micro-managing it. Micro-manage it until it becomes natural. Guess what, micro-managing it is going to fuck up a bunch of your pickup attempts because you’re going to have too much to focus on. Guess what, you can’t go into pickup hoping to never fuck up a pickup. That’s avoidance mentality and it will hold you back. You have to approach pickup trying to succeed, not trying to avoid failing. Go out, fuck up, and grow from it. Once you get your body language nailed down you’ll pretty much never have to think about it again for the rest of your LIFE.
I can instantly sum a guy up based on his body language around girls. I meet a lot of cocky alpha types thru my social circles when I go out and before we hit the bar they always talk a ton of smack about how much pussy they get and how they’re gonna get some tonight blah blah. I just ignore all of that. Cause 90% of the time the second we walk in that club door their body language tanks and their drink is up at their chest, they fidget, they shove their hands in their pockets, etc.
There’s a DVD called “Beyond Words” by Lovesystems that features Cajun for a big chunk of it, and it’s all about body language. Here’s a sample, stick thru the sample to the end cause the last 30 sec or so he explains his mindset when he talks to girls which is extremely useful:
Cajun is this guy:
Also give Fight Club a re-watch. I could write 50 pages just on the difference in body language between Norton and Pitt and Norton’s early self and Norton’s later self. Pay attention to stuff like who’s reacting to who, who’s looking where as they talk, who cuts the other person’s dialog off, who looks relaxed and who looks tense, who fidgets more, what are they doing with their hands, how many different actions do they do at once and how much attention do they pay to what they’re doing (this one’s big, you’ll notice alpha guys tend to multitask…pulling out a cigarette as they talk without looking at it till its in their mouth and lit, putting an object down or picking it up without looking at it…in the Cajun video I linked above where he does his Keys to the VIP intro notice how his eye contact is locked on the camera as he takes his final sip of drink, vs a guy looking down at his drink or fidgeting to find that little straw they put in highballs. Not paying attention shows that you just expect to succeed at whatever it is you’re doing), who’s expressing their feelings and who’s hiding them etc.
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Ya: That was outstanding. Never seen Cajun before. Dude is something else! Fantastic resource.
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P.S. I followed a link to Cajun’s site. Read his story about being jumped in Australia and how he’s only 5’7″, 155 pounds, but never backs down. I believe this fight-rather-than-flight attitude needs more attention within Game.
Only when you’ve been in a life or death situation can you understand who you are and who you can be (as Fight Club would say). This knowing is what carries over into all other aspects of your life, including pickup. I believe most beginners need to study game, and (since real life fights offer too many risks) take up some Brazilian JJ or something similar and see what it feels like to get the F choked out of you. This is the closest you can come to the experience of death as your eyes black out.
I’ve been in similar situations like Cajun’s story. Serious, life threatening situations. Never started anything, and fortunately the other bastards lost. Fast forward to when I was about to get robbed outside a club. Two gritty dudes approached me, one from the front one from the back asking for money as I was loading my passed-out lady into the passenger seat of my car. I knew in a split second that was it and my eyes look through those bastards souls and let them know I’m about to do all the way with this. I had my hand on a weapon in my pocket too. They backed the F off.
You can’t fake this look. Others I know tell me when I’m pissed, which is rarely ever, they see hot lava in my eyes and it’s scary.
They say soldiers change when they come back from battle. I believe this. Get yourselves into some safe battles so you can get the look, without the nightmares associated with the real thing.
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“I believe this fight-rather-than-flight attitude needs more attention within Game.”
fighting is cool until you lose and get your ass beat or win and get your ass dragged to a courtroom. just saw a guy this morning who broke a dudes face w one punch and got 4 months house arrest because of it (this after a multi-thousand $ bill from a shitty lawyer too lazy to cite any law in his defense).
and as cool as it is to look death in the eye and tell chicks about it, sometimes the result of those situations is that death wins. which is why the worlds most powerful ppl make cannonfodder do their dirtywork.
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YR… great comment.. makes so much sense.. what makes me break eye contact at the checkout line is having to get my credit card out, having to put the pin# in.. etc… I’m going to learn how to “checkout” without looking away from the cashier, or at least making her break first. I always feel a need to look at what I’m doing. Time to watch Fight Club again.
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Leaning in is not always submissive. I’ll often lean in when someone I am talking to makes a point, and then lean back, and look upwards whilst evaluating what they’ve said, before look back down at them and reply.
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That Atlantic article – and I don’t know how it appeared in the MSM – is full of great reasons to opt out of the corporate pu pu platter and let the feminazis burn it all down. Stay single, liquid and mobile, save every cent you can, get out, and watch the bonfire from a safe distance.
In other news, here is a bizarre Golden Corral commercial that hilariously manages to be racist to both whites and blacks.
http://community.goldencorral.com/video/golden-corral-2-for-20-commercial-15
What I’ve learned from this is that white people are doughy, blithering imbeciles, and black people, while (of course) smarter than the whites, are nonetheless willing to risk life and limb throwing themselves from a moving car just to eat at a shitty chain restaurant.
Also, I’d bet money this whole scenario was inspired by http://blackpeopleloveus.com/.
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“The Atlantic article…”
How about a link?
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http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/why-the-us-economy-is-biased-against-men/256023/
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The backlash is growing every day:
http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/feminism-campaign-sparks-widespread-dialogue-backl
Bout time.
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Other great Heartiste post discussed raising the head when saluting people, rather than a downward nod. Also it’s important not to smile too much while in pick-up mode: comes across as ingratiating.
Correct body language doesn’t just help with the ladies. Since 90% of communication is non-verbal, it also influences how your friends, acquaintances and strangers judge you.
Walk tall; don’t stoop; sit with a wide stance; tilt the head when greeting folks; hands by your side(but not in pockets) : Every man was taught this by parents 50 years ago, but a lot of us have had to relearn it.
By way, in relation to the tweet about NR and O’Sullivan- he’s still blogging at the Corner. I know Heartiste has a low opinion of National Review at the minute, but they’re not Salon’s jailhouse wife yet. O’Sullivan is the former editor and one of the last links to the glory days of Bill Buckley. He’s safe. Besides he did nothing wrong, since VDARE is not a racist organisation, claims of SPLC nutcases to the contrary.
What’s is sickening is that Little Green Footballs, a supposedly libertarian site, gave the lefties at Salon the false tip-off against O’Sullivan.
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Alpha or beta? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2131679/Husband-hell-financier-forced-wife-bizarre-sex-acts-turned-suffering–despite-calling-Prince-Charming.html#ixzz1sV0t5eEg
What about smiling? It can be done in an alpha or beta way. I personally don’t like to walk around with a silly smile on my face. I frown a lot.
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Don’t walk around smiling nor frowning, only if there is a reason to and used that sparingly . The best way is to walk around the room feeling like a million bucks as if you just layed in bed with your head on a big fluffy pillow in an expensive hotel room after Megan Fox just swallowed your load. Think how would you feel then?! on top of the world, relaxed and peaceful like nothing else matters.
That is how you want the world to see you
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I frown not by design but because this is how I am.
In many parts of the world men walk with a frown. I don’t care how the world sees me. I don’t like making dumb facial expressions. A man’s face shouldn’t move much.
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Alpha of course. Betas don’t manhandle women in the sack. They wait for permission to lick their clit.
Although he went too far. Iron fist in a velvet glove, that’s how one should play it. It’s a bad idea to risk butthexing in the divorce court because you pushed a woman way beyond her limits.
But he seems a bit off, with some kind of mental issue. Not worth much of a fuss.
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bingo.
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One of the things I learned to do was to train myself to walk as if there is an invisible rope wrapped around my waist and someone is gently pulling me forward. What this accomplished is that it eliminated my slouching because it keeps your chin up and shoulders squared, plus you have a sort of a swagger going as you walk instead of moving around in a drudging like manner.
I can guerentee you that if you can teach yourself to walk like that not only will women notice but your own confidence will rise as well just by the way you walk.
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Even in my young days I have always walked this planet like I have the key to the universe and that you all are my entertainment. I don’t do nearly as much approaching as I used to since my harem is full up but body language is the core of contrast, your appearance sets the stage and your movement is the act. You can be fidgety if you are calibrating with the room. I don’t like to smile much (My internal game is insanity/focus so I am almost never smiling), but I have a laugh that lights up an entire room because I hold those feelings with a contrast of complete satisfaction and happyness in my life. The actual movements don’t matter as long as you are properly telegraphing your contrast.
When I see beta males walking around there is always something that sticking out like a sore thumb. The thing is, it’s not the behavior itself they need to worry about, they just need to reduce that way of being to a level that doesn’t trigger further inspection. Conversation for any type of benefit is just about keeping something thinking as little as possible. You want them feeling and reacting, that’s it. You can let them think once they think the world of you!
The guilt goes away after a while. 😛
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I don’t think it’s a good idea for this blog or anywhere else in the manosphere to let that Colombian hooker and others of her HB9 status believe that she is worth $800.
It should be no higher than $400. I can imagine the SS agent did not actually agree to $800 and she just tried to shake him down knowing that men might give a lot more to save themselves from embarrassment or scandal.
We shouldn’t condone that in women.
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Looking at other photos, she’s a 7.5 on her way down. That beach bikini shot is obviously a few years old. She had a baby with an alpha when she was 16. Now her glory days would be long gone. And now this. If there were a free market and men weren’t so beta everywhere, she shouldn’t be able to command more than $50 especially inside Colombia.
And what’s this about her “small apartment” costing $600/mo? We’re supposed to be in a down economy but rent and hooker prices in Colombia of all places is higher than almost everywhere else in the world?
Feminists in the media are going full steam about how this type of behavior shouldn’t be tolerated in males.
Therefore, social conservatives need not waste space on the Internet defending them with too much rhetoric about how the agents might have compromised Obama’s security. If one does so, it should be done with a caveat that the commenter doesn’t agree with the feminist angle on this.
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Exhibit A
Sarah Palin, uber-feminist of the right, just stated that she was glad a SS agent was fired and she was happy because he had stated on Facebook that he had “checked her out” when he was assigned to protect her:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/secret-service-agent-embroiled-hooker-scandal-posted-facebook-photo-staring-sarah-palin-article-1.1064733
Now he might have been an idiot for writing that on Facebook but…fired?
So we have women orchestrating to fire men for being a bit sexist…and “conservative” men will go ahead and back them up on this by touting the line that the SS agents might have compromised Obama’s security (something I’m sure said “conservatives” wouldn’t really be all that concerned about).
It’s so easy for the fembots on the right and left to wrap men around their fingers. Men who are both right and left politically.
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I’m terribly disappointed in the Secret Service and their Colombian performance.
No, not because of their shenanigans, but their ineptitude.
You are in a Third World country. That is probably 50% jungle and drug labs. And you can’t disappear one fucking hooker before she creates an international incident?!?! And these are the jackanapes they let guard the Preznit of the US? Sheesh.
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Maybe it’s just me, but I found weight lifting, especially squats and dead lifts, have done wonders for my body language. The no-slouch-stand-straight-shoulders-back-chest-forward-head-and-chin-slightly-raised pose that one is supposed to do has become second nature. Now, I still have plenty of other stuff to worry about body language (don’t lean in, contre-poste when standing next to a girl), but lifting at least makes the pose one less thing that I have to think about.
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On top of keeping your moves slow and deliberate, the most important thing is to keep an open posture. Take up as much space as possible. Own that space.
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State control isn’t always easy. I was gaming this really conservative christian (well-titted and assed) latina this week and I forgot how it was to have to be so tender at first taking it really really slow not being too direct at all with these girls. She started to scold me on how I should not be talking to a girl that way and quoting bible verses. (Gurls know what you are up to, sucker.) See some christian girls will let you flirt and be sexual with them, and then others are so on the feminist mode mobile they are just trying little cunts up front. I started to lose my temper even though I laid some groundwork in edge-wise. This thread is maybe gonna be dead too soon.
I didn’t hook her as fast as I wanted to anyway. We will see, but I let my anger and will-to-strike her face get the best of me in this interaction.
I used to do well with really conservative *assumed* virgin girls back when I was less sexualized and emboldened, but now I see where guys were coming from not wanting to mess with these healthy stealthy chicks. It’s just another challenge fo’ me, but I’m afraid will result in blue balls for a wwwwhile. I’ll probably let my curiosity get the best of me and skim these here archives to find some answers.Lordy lordy. Did not get any sex this week, but was a pretty productive week getting leads (because I’m horny, kids) have one tenative date set up next week with a solid 7 during the day and could hook hard tonight if I decide to, but may just chill as work was hell this week. It’s all good.
Also using facebook more as in more than none (maybe not a good thing). It’s really slow as I can get same-day lays from 7-8s on the street easy now my mojo flow fck the 5-0 is back, but it’s good for other skill-building reasons. You have to think about what you are doing more and less boldness is needed (a disadvantage). Not sure what to make of facebook right now, so I’ll keep those advisory thoughts to my lonesome. Considering keeping a steady girlfriend or two before the warm weather around here fades completely this season like I did so back in 08-09. Business has me more tied up, so need’n that steady ready less strange and deranged wild pssy–also better since I be have’n mo’ moneys laying around these days.
Also any general advice on gaming a girl about to go on a “mission trip” to the Ukraine would be helpful. She’s more SWPL and sexualized but still a fraiddy-cat. It’s all for spits and wiggles anyway, so no try-hardedness is needed.
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Also any general advice on gaming a girl about to go on a “mission trip” to the Ukraine would be helpful. She’s more SWPL and sexualized but still a fraiddy-cat. It’s all for spits and wiggles anyway, so no try-hardedness is needed.
Wait for her to come back from the Ukraine. Western women get very aggressive and loose over there.
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I’m telling you, even though weed is often detrimental to certain aspects of pickup, it ROCKS in the early stages. No figiting or nervous energy for the stoned lothario. And if you can handle your sticky, you won’t get the giggles, so much as a mood of…amused mastery. Calm and ready.
It helps to be fairly bright, so that you can overcome the short-term memory hit and actually carry on a coversation with a target. But indifference and not-quite-paying-attention affect will flow out of you unbidden.
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Hamster at a dead sprint: http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/an-open-letter-to-people-who-judge-my-single-post-college-lifestyle
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For anyone looking for a book on body-language get ‘What Every Body is Saying’ by Joe Navarro. The best book on the subject by a mile. Everything is presented with scientific backing and the content has real world application.
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Yes, great resource. Another great resource is “The Definitive Book on Body Language” by Allan Pease and
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It takes incredible concentration to stand still.
Stand with your feet about shoulder length apart and you won’t sway.
I saw an Argentine guy doing the “David” pose, right leg slightly turned to the right, hands placed in his back pockets, standing straight but at a slight tilt. I began to mimic this pose.
Chicks were looking at me…then looking away…clear IOI’s.
Here’s an interesting clip…
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Body language matters. Nevertheless, a lot of women are still going to choose the taller guy simply because he’s tall, regardless of body language. And skip the shorter guy just because he’s not tall, regardless of body language.
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For a great example of alpha body language, watch Cesar Millan on “The dog whisperer”, I bet that dude can pull mad tail.
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“Beta Male Body Language Giveaway”
No duh. Useless unless you’re selling the cure for Tourette’s.
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Also, don’t cross your arms
You hands should be behind you as you look over the mercandise.
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