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Comments Of The Week: The Parallel Universe Of Alpha Males

April 26, 2012 by CH

Libertardian (nice nick!) writes:

That article clearly struck a major nerve and it saddens me to see Aussie women have fallen prey to the madness as well.

One commenter shouts “Karma!” and the reply is: “Karma? For getting an education, having a well-paying job, having some drive, spirit and independence, living life as one sees fit? What a strange mentality to have towards other human beings.”

They just don’t get it.

Women have no idea of the bleak odds most men have been living with for years, or how disaffected it has made them. I’d guess the average beta, by the age of 30, has been rejected or flaked on at least one thousand times. What this teaches him is to keep a lot of irons in the fire and minimize his emotional investment in any of them.

He’s been brainwashed into thinking women are angelic and pure and like nice men, and admittedly that mindset is probably in his nature as well. Civilization, which we had up to a few decades ago, rewards this mindset. The jungle we live in now does not. The result is years of painful cognitive dissonance and, eventually, a pervasive cynicism born of the need for simple emotional self-preservation.

If he’s mature for his age, he probably even prefers the company of older (thirtysomething) women. They’re more mature than the ones his own age who are still partying and drinking and chasing bad boys, after all. But of course that’s a dead end too. The thirtysomething women are busy chasing fortysomething men with money, and when they want to dally with a younger man it’s hardly going to be a beta.

Our beta is in the 80% of men who spends his twenties watching 80% of the women go after the other 20% of the men. The kind of men he sees these women chase after, again and again, has been discussed at length here and hardly needs repeating. Needless to say, this adds greatly to his disillusionment.

He also knows about the 70%+ divorce rate and the fact that 70% of divorces are initiated by women, who need no cause for doing so, and he knows that the result is having half or more of his assets stripped. He may well have seen, at first hand, his father or another older man having his retirement cleaned out. No matter how “in love” you think you are, you’re a moron if you take on these odds. It’s like playing Russian roulette with five chambers loaded.

Someone once said a beta is like a baseball player who’s been kept on the bench for the entire game, until in the bottom of the 9th he’s suddenly called up and told to hit a sacrifice fly. Thing is, by then, he may well have dropped out.

He’s long since learned to treat sex as a bodily function, like eating or shitting, that he can accomplish with the help of some porn. He had to learn that during his decade and a half in the beta wasteland.

He’s learned to channel his passions into something else, like a hobby, or work, or volunteering. Indeed he can do whatever the hell he wants, outside of work, all day every day. Women, meanwhile, take it for granted that men are supposed to do things they don’t enjoy in exchange for the pleasure of female company. Thing is, why is the guy going to volunteer to be told what to do and how to spend his money? Women have treated him like shit for fifteen years while they chased the alpha male bad boy. Modern society has taught women to be entitled to the point of delusion, emotionally volatile and manipulative to the point of being bipolar, and above all to BLAME MEN. So why, after the experiences he’s had already, is he going to want to tune into this channel 24/7?

And the blaming continues when the beta mysteriously opts not to shove his head into the trap. The name-calling and the shaming and the cries to “man up” assail him from all sides. But what does he care? He tried doing just what women said they wanted for fifteen years and his reward was a bowl of piss with a brown submarine cruising in it. Scolding him is like putting out a fire with gasoline.

Sure, some betas learn game and find success with women. Most men seem to take a quantum leap in attractiveness to women just by crossing the age of thirty, having a few bucks, and not being omegas. The point is, the scales have long since fallen from their eyes. They’ve seen the beast and they cannot unsee it.

There’s been some clamor in the manosphere lately about there being a false impression created by “gamers” that the currently operative sexual market is very good to men. This manosphere subspecies claims that in reality women have it better than men, and this can be seen in women’s entitled attitudes and their avoidance of marriage and historically high divorce initiation rates.

The sexual market is a roiling, turbulent beast about which any poking and prodding is best served by sterling precision. We have mentioned this here before, but it bears repeating: the modern dating scene has been, and is, very good to ALPHA MALES. Beta males more than ever are the biggest losers under the post-sexual revolution regime. Contraceptive freedom, social destigmatization and female economic self-sufficiency have joined forces to enable a sexual libertinism that redounds most beneficially to alpha males, and most disadvantageously to beta males.

What about women? Where do they stand in the rushing river of romantic license? For women, it’s been a mixed bag. Unleashed hypergamy brought on by a diminished need for beta providers and a contraceptively nullified fear of pregnancy allows them to pursue charming alpha males to their hearts’ content while delaying marriage or relationship fidelity until they are vaginally or emotionally spent and ready, if needed, for the Great Settle with some grateful beta who has wandered the celibate wilderness a little longer than he’d hoped.

As GBFM colorfully put it, this is the “Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks” strategy. Be cognizant, though, that this is not the optimal female strategy, which, logically, would be “Alpha Fucks and Alpha Bucks”. Of course, only the hottest women can realistically achieve this ovarian nirvana.

The downside for women of the feminist-inspired and alpha male-co-opted sexual revolution is that false hopes engendered by a few fantastic nights with an alpha male can lead them to squander their prime beauty years chasing illusory commitment from exciting cads. Freewheeling soft concubinage also spoils a woman’s sexual expectations, rendering the second-best bedroom love of the beta male disappointingly meager.

And then there are the less attractive women, those who are caught up in the hypergamy house of mirrors but can’t find a way out like their prettier sisters. Has the sexual revolution been good to them? As a system conducive to gratifying immediate superficial needs, yes. But for long-term needs of the sort that are particular to women, no. A dearth of economically higher status beta males and/or maritally inclined alpha males has made it tough on women in both the lower and upper SES tiers, whose growing populations respectively of single moms and childless mimosters attests to their difficulties navigating the present dating market. After all, no woman REALLY wants to grow up to be a single mom or mimosa-sipping spinster.

So there you have it. The diagnosis. The sexual/feminist revolution delineated. Women, on the whole, have it better than men, but alpha males have it the best.

Alpha males =======> WINNING
Beta males ==> LOSING
Alpha females (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)> TREADING WATER
Beta females (.)(.)(.)(.)> PYRRHIC VICTORIES

******

The Raven writes, in regards to the ability to influence human perception:

Professional shooting instructors have known this for a while. I have heard it referred to as “The Henry Bowman Effect”. Nearly every woman I teach to shoot gets gina tingles so blatant that you can practically see the snail trail when I send them downrange to paste their targets. Now, it doesn’t work so well if you’re a neckbearded fatty, but let me give you a sample of an email I got from a 24-year-old nurse I taught some defensive shooting to last summer:

“Now that I’ve gotten my upper torso out of the gigantic pile of bricks that took me out about 1/2 way through the day today, I’m trying to shake the brick dust out of my ears and get a clean thought process going…. aided by some Ambien so excuse me if spelling and grammar doesn’t match my level of intelligence. Maybe and I had too much time up in the truck talking, or I had time to myself to think about things, or I saw you with – but something has absolutely snapped in my brain- and I am in LOVE with you. I don’t get it. You’re not mine. You will never be, and have never been. I can’t help the way I feel. It’s almost like when I was watching you teach today, my brain was saying “he’d make a great father”, and when you were shooting, the brain was saying “He can protect you” and talking about your job stuff lately says “he’s a provider”… and not to mention I think your calves are sexy—– I think my ovaries and screaming at me to reproduce and I think they chose you. I don’t actually WANT children, but you get it. That’s where I’m at. I love you for who you are, and how you’re a friend to me, but then my body wants to jump in and decide that you’d be the perfect sperm for me? It’s a little fucked up but I’m becoming more aware of these weird biohealth things going on with my hormonal 24 year old body. I’m hornier than ever, I cry at Gerber baby commercials, and watching my sister breastfeed makes MY boobs sore. How is this fair?!?!? This is wrong on so many levels. You are happily married. I WANT to be happily married to . I eventually wouldn’t mind children (distant future), but I can’t figure out why today I had to come to terms with the reality that I LOVE you but nothing will ever change (as It should NOT). That kiss was phenomenal, but far too short. All that really did was jab a knife into my already aching heart that I can’t kiss you every time I leave, or when I say hello, or good morning. It makes me sad I’m actually crying right now and this is fucked up..

Even more so, I will get married in the future and unless he’s a complete douche, you guys will be invited to the wedding. I’ll be in my poofy dress and you in a suit and you’ll come up for a dance and we’ll just look at eachother and *sigh* because I’ll be secretly wishing it was you. Do you know how FUCKED UP THAT IS??? I will love my husband, and he will be great- but there is already a man out there that I think would make a good partner for me. That’s not supposed the way it’s supposed to work. I have more thoughts but I cant even type sentences anymore. I’m sorry.

Peace out.”

I saved that email just because it was such a classic example of HBS.

Anyway – the other chick was practically humping my leg too. It’s a hazard that has served me well.

The Raven

I’ve often wondered what would happen to the sexual reciprocity continuum if beta males discovered en masse how boldly and shamelessly women throw themselves at the few alpha males in their midst. Would it rip wide open the fragile sperm-vagine fabric and create a wormhole leading to an alternate dimension where white knighting was a mockable offense and no beta male, anywhere, ever again paid for a date or wrote sappy love poems? Would princess pedestals shatter like the cymbal crash in a symphony, freeing men’s minds of hallucinatory dreamscapes? The female id uncaged is a sight to behold, crueler and more subversive than the reckless thrashing of the unchained male id, and it’s with good reason civilization only flourished once it was patrolled and the pleasure of its vessels redistributed.

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  1. on April 26, 2012 at 1:45 pm Guy@yahoo.com

    Great post. I’m trying to teach my kid brother about this stuff, but I’m not sure if it’s sinking in. Hopefully more just like this to come.

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  2. on April 26, 2012 at 1:45 pm Maya

    “The female id uncaged is a sight to behold, crueler and more subversive than the reckless thrashing of the unchained male id, and it’s with good reason civilization only flourished once it was patrolled and the pleasure of its vessels redistributed.”

    That doesn’t sound very romantic … 😦

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 2:43 pm GeishaKate

      If it doesn’t exist in the wild, its a social construct.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 2:13 pm collapseofman

        On the contrary: This is the wild, and pre-civilization humans had close-knit societies which created social barriers to unmitigated egoism. The unrestrained id is a social DE-construct – only capable of existing in a world where social constraints have fallen to the wayside. The real maxim is: “If it exists today, it must be biologically motivated, because the tribe guarded against it in the wild.”

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:23 pm GeishaKate

        Interesting point.

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    • on April 28, 2012 at 8:12 am Anonymous

      It isn’t, really. Romance is really a social construct; something that we foolishly discarded in the name of being “equal”. Well, like with all socialist/marxist lies (and that’s what Feminism is…) some are much more equal than others.

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  3. on April 26, 2012 at 1:48 pm T.

    I took a girl for drinks on our first date. We ended up in her room and the clothes start flying off. We didn’t fuck (she claimed she was on her period), but she gave me a blowjob. Afterwards, she called me ‘cute’… alphas, would you say being called ‘cute’ is good/bad?

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 2:33 pm anon

      Who cares what she said. You got your dick sucked. Find other women.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 2:44 pm ve

        Response — That’s sweet. PAUSE, smirk. The top of your head’s not bad lookin either.

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      • on April 28, 2012 at 8:13 am Anonymous

        Excellent riposte.

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      • on April 28, 2012 at 1:56 pm driveallnight

        “You got a pretty mouth.”

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      • on April 28, 2012 at 11:51 pm Anonymous

        Heh… Another one.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 2:48 pm bob

      “cute” is “alpha” when used in a girl-girl conversation. i dont know about girl-man though.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 3:21 pm Flahute

      Cute is usually positive. Sweet is the kiss of death. But she gives head so who cares? Aim to hook up with her again in 10-14 days when she is going to want to be fucked hard.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 8:13 pm T.

        Good feedback, thanks.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 3:55 pm Firepower

      T.
      she called me ‘cute’… alphas, would you say being called ‘cute’ is good/bad?

      Did she look like Amanda Marcotte. That = bad

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 8:11 pm T.

        I just googled her and the answer is: no. I don’t fuck swamphogs.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 6:47 pm realmatt

      It’s not alpha to think about it.

      Would Conan the Barbarian wonder what the stupid slut who blew him meant when she called him cute? No.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 7:11 pm C-Money

      She sucked your dick and then called you cute? As they say on the RooshV forum, WAS THIS BETA?

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 8:07 pm T.

        Who said anything about beta? As far as I can see, noone mentioned the word before you did. You’re reading into things.

        I simply asked if being called ‘cute’ was good or bad…

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 7:51 pm no magic pills

      the question is was SHE cute?

      if yes then alpha. she sucked your cock

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 8:08 pm T.

        She’s hot. I don’t fuck swamphogs.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 8:47 pm Ripp

        congrats on the BJ from the “hot” chic on the first date. well done.

        but bro…c’mon man: think about the fact that you posted one of the most retarded questions on CH…

        -789,976 pts

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  4. on April 26, 2012 at 1:52 pm EastBay1

    One of the best posts I’ve ever read. All boys need to realize that Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, and the Magic Vagina do not exist. Tom Leykis’ analogy of woman as urinal is especially accurate.
    Pump and Dump, boyo, until civilization recovers.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 4:42 pm Listener

      “Pump and Dump, boyo, until civilization recovers.”

      That’s not a very detailed plan. I’m looking to get directly involved in this civilizational recovery. Sorry, o/t. Pussy asss asss titties ase asdfa asss

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 7:42 pm Laconophile

        Make white babies and give them Derbyshire’s The Talk.

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      • on April 29, 2012 at 10:03 pm Lzlolzolozl

        What talk lozlolzlzol

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      • on April 29, 2012 at 11:13 pm Frug

        Can I do like Derbyshire himself and make half-Asian babies instead?

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 6:35 pm Laconophile

        Only if you’re afraid of being accused of racism.

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  5. on April 26, 2012 at 1:56 pm Bastrop

    The comment from the shooting instructor was telling. I recently took my wife’s visiting cousin shopping (on my motorcycle). As we were walking back from buying $2K worth of Ipads and accessories, she mentioned the possibility of getting robbed. When I lifted my shirt to show her my concealed pistol, I thought she would cream her pants. She found excuses to touch me for the rest of the day.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 2:59 pm corvinus

      There’s a reason men like weapons.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 8:23 pm Libertardian

      That’s hilarious. The last shooting class I went to, the instructor told us about a buddy of his who went to the movies with his girlfriend. Out in the parking lot, some douchebag started harassing them over a parking spot, and the guy put him on the pavement. Then the cops showed up and arrested the guy for assault. He was carrying a (licensed) concealed pistol, a spare clip, a backup pistol, a spare clip for that, two folding knives, a can of mace, a flashlight, and he was wearing body armor. The cop’s report said: “Subject seemed overly prepared to go to the movies.” I bet he got an “unlimited free BJs for life” card when the girlfriend saw he didn’t even have to use any of that arsenal.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 8:59 pm Southern Man

      A motorcycle and a gun? I’m surprised she didn’t blow you on the spot.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 9:01 pm Lara

        So am I. It’s his wife’s cousin, so it’s probably a good thing.

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    • on April 28, 2012 at 11:24 am gaoxiaen

      a little blow and a cruise along the beach with a reach-around would make a nice evening

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  6. on April 26, 2012 at 1:58 pm demirogue

    That’s me. The guy who learned to channel productivity into other things because not only was I a beta, but a fat one too. Build car engines, build a house, garden, all sort of things and all self taught. A jack of all trades and a master of none yet the skills acquired allow me to live comfortably and make money from home. It’s why at 40, I attract the attention but never return it. Especially since I’m in shape.

    Women can go to hell for all I care. They are phony, liars, and fakes and I there’s better things to do than deal with that crap.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 3:58 pm LFP

      I’m about your age and I’ve come to a similar conclusion, alas. It’s sad because our f-ed up culture has forced men to deny our natural biology, but on the other hand, the freedom is invigorating. And “escorts” can be fun…

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 4:13 pm Old Glory

      Good post. Young guys like ourselves lookup to you guys since there’s still a stigma towards unmarried men past a certain age. Marriage is not on my radar with the current trends in Western culture… probably won’t ever be.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 9:06 am Tyrone

        It’s the sum of the spinsters’ collective anger driving that train.

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  7. on April 26, 2012 at 1:58 pm Anon

    OT

    Japanese beta hamster in overdrive:

    http://incel.myonlineplace.org/forum/showthread.php?p=330129
    (to be verified because it’s only written on french newspapers)
    http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/japon-un-impot-sur-les-beaux-25-04-2012-1455226_24.php

    Raise taxes for good-looking men, says japanese economist, because 50% of japanese men are single.
    When (if) the red pill becomes more widespread, the next step is to raise taxes for men who have game.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 2:20 pm beta_plus

      Or, you know, you could just expect women to pay for the children they decide to bring into this world, since it’s immoral for the father to have a say either way.

      Yeah, right.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 3:00 pm Other

      That’s basically it in a nutshell. Liberalism is a recipe for extinction. Any country that adopts it eventually goes extinct.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 6:48 pm Stuki

        And thank goodness for that.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 10:37 pm Anonymous

        Not in its original definition. None of this shit would be going on if classical liberalism had not mutated into a unicorn with a dildo on its head; 200 years ago a liberal was a guy who believed in minarchism, the gold standard, and capitalism. Heed what is written between the lines of GBFM, he is a prophet who telleth thee; a river of shit slithers from the Federal Reserve. The secretive tapings are of bernanke and feminism conspiring to keep the divorces and illegitimate children coming, so bernanke can convert the husbands physical assets into fiat dollarz and the welfare state can have more parasites in its guts. The gold standard is the ultimate fear of bernanke and feminists and butthexers everywhere; taking down the Fed means feminism and the welfare state and the whole rotted thing come crashing down, and we then rebuild without them. That is the choice facing Western man.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 11:15 pm Laconophile

        Negative liberty failed to usher in the liberal’s Rousseauian utopia, so now they’re after positive liberty.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 9:09 am Tyrone

        Being this way is why Switzerland has had such sustained economic success for decades.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 10:25 am Anonymous

        I swear, it’s like you’re summoning GBFM from the dark depths of whatever hell he/she/it inhabits with the words “bernanke” / “fiat dollarz” / “butthexers”… I almost physically looked over my shoulder.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 7:48 pm Laconophile

      Why not raise taxes on unmarried women?

      Oh right, American feminists would drop a couple more nukes on them.

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      • on April 28, 2012 at 8:18 am Anonymous

        Fucking let ’em. Might show the lies for what they are.

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  8. on April 26, 2012 at 2:08 pm Anon

    “I’d guess the average beta, by the age of 30, has been rejected or flaked on at least one thousand times.”

    Nah. Only aspiring PUAs have been rejected that much.

    On the other hand, omegas have only been rejected a few times in their lives.
    And betas are married by age 30, have a kid or two, a mortgage, and have a 50% chance of getting divorce papers served on them within 5 years.

    “I’ve often wondered what would happen… if beta males discovered en masse how… shamelessly women throw themselves at the few alpha males… Would it… create a wormhole… where… no beta male, anywhere, ever again paid for a date or wrote sappy love poems?”

    NOTHING would change because nothing new would be discovered.

    Every male, since the age of 10, with half a brain and one eye can see that girls throw themselves at alphas.

    We have to assume beta males are RATIONAL ACTORS. The reason betas pay for dates etc., and will continue to do so, is because those tactics SOMETIMES WORK. For a beta, there are 2 paths: tirelessly work to elevate towards alpha status (which may or may not successful) or resorting to tactics that sometimes work. Most betas choose the latter.

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 2:18 pm collapseofman

      Mostly on point, but I think you underestimate the degree to which 99% of human beings are unable to change. Most people believe the role they are pigeonholed into is who they “really” are, and to act unaccordingly would be living a lie. “But that’s just not me, man.” To most men, working to elevate their status is a non-option.

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      • on April 29, 2012 at 3:19 am Jason

        Agreed. I lost a very good childhood friend because was was just SO beta, and he refused to change. He’d wear ratty jean shorts when going out at night to clubs (aarrgh). If they let him inside, he’d lay with his head on the table at the edge of the dance floor. He’d say stuff like “Why don’t women just love me for who I am?” I tried to explain the importance of first impressions, and of creating context. He wouldn’t listen and eventually went four years without sex. I finally did a fashion intervention on him, much like that show “What Not To Wear”. But that wasn’t the real problem.

        Finally I gave up on him.

        Later I heard he started orbiting a bitchy girl who worked in his office, feeding her cats whenever she went to visit her alpha boyfriend from out of town. Maybe she let him hit that once in a blue moon. Either way, it’s pathetic. You can’t help some people.

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    • on April 28, 2012 at 7:44 pm Anonymous

      Indeed. However, I wouldn’t say that all Betas would have to tirelessly work towards it. Depends on how they’re wired up, I’d say.

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  9. on April 26, 2012 at 2:08 pm Maya

    “Re: muscle favorites. Girls tend to love most in men that which women possess the least, or which signals health. Hence, arms, glutes, abs. 4 minutes ago”

    I agree. Do men like muscles, too? Which? (except triceps)

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 2:49 pm Flahute

      The only muscles men like are the pelvic ones 😉

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 2:50 pm GeishaKate

      “It’s my learned opinion that the two muscle groups women love most on men are the glutes and biceps. Abs a distant 3rd. Any disagreement?”

      No disagreement. Makes biological sense.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 3:52 pm Firepower

        Womin, like glutes
        cuz that’s where
        the wallet is

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 4:00 pm GeishaKate

        I thought alphas didn’t need wallets 🙂

        [heartiste: wallet is covariate to alphatude. and also nonlinear.]

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 9:41 pm Lara

        No disagreement from me either.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 2:58 pm bob

      make sure your arms are somewhat muscular, not sloppy/chubby. and beware of the “fatty belly”:

      it’s obscene, literally.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 3:41 pm carolyn

      i’ve always favored strong-looking, big arms and a broad chest. it’s what i see first. the abs? just don’t be fat there.

      there is much beauty in the male form i admire.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 3:56 pm Firepower

        slut

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 4:53 pm Maya

        haha 😀

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 5:31 pm Firepower

        quit flirting w/ me. heartist will get jealous.
        we’ve alredy quarrelled over pupu
        bros b4 hos

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 5:41 pm Maya

        what? there was already another girl who fell in love with CH?

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 5:43 pm Firepower

        Maya

        what? there was already another girl who fell in love with CH?

        ch fell in love with her, and she…with me.

        alas, it was very sad

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 5:46 pm Maya

        wow, that’s interesting … tell me more. is she still alive?

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 6:03 pm Firepower

        she is a market economist at the Hayek (not Selma) Institute and currently (i am told) the present future ex mrs CR.

        theres a pic of her eating a banana on my website

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 6:12 pm Maya

        you mean ex mrs CH? But now he has another girlfriend. i talked to ch two times (through skype) and she just said hi … i think she’s about the same age as i am (late twenties) but she’s gorgeous.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 7:02 pm GeishaKate

        What’s my ficticious suitor count, Firepower? Anybody still in the running?

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 9:08 pm Firepower

        GeishaKate

        What’s my ficticious suitor count, Firepower? Anybody still in the running?

        3 black inmates and some guy named rooisshie. I think its a sockpuppet composite. oh, and a midget from Azores

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 12:00 pm Maya

        I’m such a boring liar … CH never called me … I think I didn’t need to write this since it’s obvious to everyone here … but I just felt bad.

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 9:20 pm GeishaKate

        But which one likes to snuggle? I suspect one may prefer to be held in moderation.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 12:14 pm chi-town

        You surprised him. I think we was expecting aah, aah.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 4:44 pm carolyn

        ?

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 7:00 pm GeishaKate

        Pulling pigtails, carolyn. That’s what I’d assume.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 9:12 pm carolyn

        you’re prolly right. that rascal…

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 6:07 pm shiva1008

        Why do we have washed up women who are no longer sexually attractive posting on here, as if their opinion means anything.

        Just as women have transcended the need to have a provider since they make their own money, men have transcended the need to listen to female views on what creates attraction. We have better sources now.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 9:06 pm carolyn

        ‘washed up…’

        believe me, our memories still serve. we superannuated women can give a comprehensive account.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 7:35 am Tertullian

        @ carolyn — says the woman who approves of beta-male cuckolding on the grounds that it’s “good for the species.”

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 8:19 am carolyn

        you still don’t get it.

        CH repeatedly tells us that what’s of benefit to the individual may not be so for society. my premise was that such immoral behavior _may_ work to improve the health of the species as well, however that improvement may be measured. the philandering adulterous alpha male spreading his better genes finds his counterpart in the cuckolding woman eager to put them to use. both are sinning by any standard, but mother nature is amoral.

        sucks for the individual guy being deceived.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 8:33 am carolyn

        re health of species. i think we can all agree that it’s better that the dregs of both genders not contribute to the gene pool. to a woman stuck with an omega, a handsome beta like my ex-bil (if you recall my story) looked really good. she’s still a skank and he’s an idiot.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 9:42 pm Lara

        What are your better sources?

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 5:15 pm Anton

      Women will find excuses to touch the muscle groups they like. I think there are two main types:

      1. Shoulders and upper arms (easily touched “accidentally”)

      2. Abs (can’t just be grabbed, but when she’s there, you’re close to closing)

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 7:55 pm Laconophile

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  10. on April 26, 2012 at 2:14 pm BD

    Raven, what kiss was she talking about? That’s one hell of a story.

    I know from personal experience that once women find out you did, could, almost-did kill someone, they just can’t stop the juice flow (even the married ones). For those brief seconds where they are imagining the “kill-event”, they are taken away from their boring, predictable, safe lives — same reason they buy romance novels.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 4:36 pm The Raven

      Apologies for leaving that part out – She was all in my face after the class as soon as the other girl and my wife had left, so I just grabbed her and kissed her for a minute, then pushed her off and kept packing up my gear.

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  11. on April 26, 2012 at 2:14 pm Rico

    Growing up my family had a farm where, amoung other things, we boarded horses for the local Ivy league college girls. Get a woman to see you on a horse (Ernie,my Morgan horse, was the best wingman ever), and they react much like the nurse in this story.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 8:20 pm Trimegistus

      I’ve often said riding lessons for a boy are like buying him a giant barrel of sex. Think about riding: the girls put on skintight pants and then spend an hour with a powerful beast between their legs, bouncing up and down. It’s sex plus cute clothing, always a plus. Now throw in a real human BOY (in his own tight pants to show off the leg muscles riding builds) and he’s in danger of wearing his dick off before he’s 20.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 7:56 pm Ovid

        Horseback riding builds leg muscles?

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 5:42 pm That Guy

        If done correctly – aka “Posting”

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 8:15 pm DarkByke

        Having a horse also means you’re rich bitches.

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  12. on April 26, 2012 at 2:26 pm peckerwood

    Being good friends with several naturals (of whom, at the time, I was as good looking, smart, and rich), I think game is important for me to realize that it’s not about what I lacked in terms of definable material world goods, but what I lacked in terms of confidence or alpha traits. It’s funny that, even as they were pulling in girls left and right including engaged chicks, married women, and “good girls who just want to wait (except for when they’re with alphas),” I still had the pedestalized ideal in my mind*. At least I still keep in shape and am not “going my own way,” I can learn. Thank God I never got married.

    BTW, bitches love triceps.

    *-oh yeah, and their married sex life is more, ah, adventuresome than you can imagine.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 2:49 pm demirogue

      For a lot of guys with self esteem problems, they fall into the trap of dating seriously messed up women. And it further instills in them that being alone is much better than being in those types of arrangements. Especially if they conclude that’s all that’s out there or that’s all they can get. Fellas, if your early and mid experiences with women are bad, then you give up because those years put such memories of examples of what women really are. Whether personally dealing with or objectively looking at because that’s all one knows.

      BTW, if men are fucking married women, then they are part of the problem. I have no issue in having their nutsacks cut off and shoved into their mouths while they bleed to death. What you and many fail to realize is men like that are no different than white knight manginas. They both will toss men under the bus to get what they want. BROS BEFORE HOS.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 3:49 pm peckerwood

        meh, take it up with the bitches themselves. They did the pursuing.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 5:04 pm Anon

        Nah, the muz got it right.
        Stone the adulteress to death.
        Wipe the shit out of the alpha interloper.

        Bros before hos for sure. I became basically a cynical jerk up for no-good reading all this shit about women. But I would never make a move on the gf/wife of someone I know or respect.
        But married women in general? Nothing is more of a turn-on than a bitch who goes against everything she held for sacred in your presence. Nothing against the cuckold, but cheating women’s instinct for cuckoldry makes them hornier and evil, and attractive in a fucked up way.

        Many players I know have this fetish, for many because they have been cheated on (I wasn’t as far as I know). We deserve punishment, so do the women who cheat. But it’s a free society. Blame liberals and “my body, my choice” femtards. I wouldn’t probably have a problem looking away and refraining from philandery if we lived in a patriarchal society where there are more incentives to be upstanding loyal cooperative men.

        And as far as cheating goes, the cheater holds the most responsibility. It’s the woman’s fault if she succumbs to the devilish charms of bad boys while the dutiful hubby is patiently waiting at home.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 7:49 pm Anon

        *whip*
        wtf?

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 8:26 pm moses

        I once seduced an engaged woman. The guy was a huge beta. She was marrying him because she was in her late 20s and wanted a good provider.

        I decided to test the cuckold fantasy. While inside her I whispered in her ear how great it would be if I knocked her up and she passed off the kid as his.

        It drove her wild with sexual excitement.

        Hypothesis confirmed.

        Women are wonderful creatures. But the unchained female id is incredibly dangerous and amoral.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 1:51 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Anon wrote:

        But married women in general? Nothing is more of a turn-on than a bitch who goes against everything she held for sacred in your presence. Nothing against the cuckold, but cheating women’s instinct for cuckoldry makes them hornier and evil, and attractive in a fucked up way.

        “Going against everything she held sacred” is the female default mode. We write their oaths on water. The “instinct for cuckoldry” is irreducible and ineradicable (see Rousseau’s Emile, Book V) in woman. We cannot eliminate the instinct, we can only hope to contain it. And when I say “we,” I mean men. I mean, you and me, brother. “Bros before hos” has never been more important to the civilization than now.

        Which is the real reason to avoid cuckolding your buddy. It pedestalizes the woman, for her to be the wedge that destroys the universal brotherhood. Women are always developing machinations to be the Yoko as a way of validating their social self-importance.

        But given that the brotherhood is in a state of dissolution after a century of relentless feminist assault, the way has been cleared for tough brotherly love. In that sense adultery is a fair weapon jus in bello to shock the hangdog beta into awareness, not unlike a drill instructor punching a recruit in the face. Sometimes the best thing you can do for a brother is give him a beating before the world does.

        The bros-before-hos theme was explored in a short story on this site. I can’t find it, but it was about screwing some European chick while her fiancé was away, and the angry cuckold calls up the guy who just banged his girlfriend, who convinces the fiancé to take decisive action: throw all her shit out on the lawn.

        Our immediate tendency is to fight each other, to direct the passions of adultery against fellow men, rather than acknowledging the potential for alliance. It is shameful to be cuckolded, a shame that should be taken out 100% on the adulteress.

        Matt

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      • on April 28, 2012 at 8:21 am Anonymous

        Actually, they don’t typically wipe the shit out of the alpha interloper. You might want to dig into that ideology before putting it up on the pedestal you put it.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 6:57 pm Stuki

        Men should fuck married women, until married men realize laws and gommiments preventing them from doing something meaningful about it, are the bane of all that is worth preserving. In civilized societies, where the most likely outcome of fucking another man’s woman, is the cad being shot, the whore being stoned and any bastard spawn being bludgeoned, all until death; men fucking other men’s women somehow cease being much of a problem.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 7:06 pm Stuki

        Actually, that came off a bit wrong, as I personally would avoid fucking married women for religious reasons, and would honestly recommend others doing the same.

        What I really meant, was that SOME men WILL fuck married women as long as married men refuse to do anything about it; and in that case, the ultimate responsibility lies with the married men who so refuse.

        And just in case publicly funded indoctrination and Hollywood tripe has had too deleterious effects on someone here; Mogadishu in the 90s, while hardly paradise, was a big step up fro a society where a man cannot even defend the honor and dignity of ones wife and daughters.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 3:29 am Anonymous

        A problem I have with this point of view is that most “patriarchy” advocates, such as many at the Spearhead, would probably also want a world where a man over 35 could not fuck another man’s college age daughter because there’d be a supposed right to bludgeon him to death because of some perceived slight against the other man for messing with his property (as if the alpha wouldn’t have the right, in a lawless society, to deal the same fate to the father proactively if threatened).

        These “betas need to get violent toward alphas” “Let’s you and him fight” thoughts tend to go together and the latter idea is not only illogical but has split the manosphere into two entirely different camps. It’s bizarre because any movement to organize violence against alphas will be met by a movement to organize violence against betas.

        Think about it. The original post on this thread accurately described how it often takes men until they are 30 or 35 to stop being beta and become alpha. Once these men finally take the red pill and become alpha, the beta patriarchy types (social conservatives trying to coopt the men’s rights movement) will want to kill them for finally going for what was denied to them by the females when they were beta.

        And this hatred of age difference relationships is entirely spurred on by the older women. It really is a “Let’s you and him fight” meme.

        Men can’t win that way. You can’t have a world where men are denied by females while young and beta and then hated by social conservative males when older and alpha.

        The only solution is to teach all men who want to “do something about the world” to become alpha and let the betas be ruled (and cuckolded) as they have always been throughout history.

        Note that alphas don’t want 90% of women and won’t want to cuckold the betas married to those unattractive women anyway.

        We’re not talking about much of a real world problem in terms of super hot women being married somehow to betas and alphas wanting to interlope. By definition, that doesn’t happen often enough to be an issue.

        QED Manosphere bloggers need to finally respond better to the trolls who advocate male on male violence instead of putting the “blame” for hypergamy on females.

        Meanwhile, Hypergamy is not Feminism. Men can agree to work together to obliterate the latter but we’re far from agreeing on what to do about the former, which is natural.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 7:28 am Ed the Department Head

        Wow! Good comment! The sociocons are a blight on humanity. Honestly they have done so much to empower the females and make life suck for Alphas. They are almost as bad and useless as the leftists. Their “patriatchy” is dead and they aren’t men enough to want to take the leap into a better more Alpha Future. (Also, I would love to see a beta “patriarch” father type get his ass kicked by an Alpha.)

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 1:48 pm Anon

        I’m a patriarchy advocate and also a bigger advocate of 10+ years age difference between men and women. Or better yet, half the age plus seven (more like 3), as argued by the greek philosophers.
        Forget about the modern socons and tradcons, they’re brainwashed idiots. You can find patriarchal wisdom in the great classic books (Gbfm), not in the frustrated rants of random bigoted rednecks.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 6:31 pm Stuki

        There’s not much need for being a “Patriarchy Advocate.” Just be a no government, look after yourself, yours and those willing to reciprocate, advocate. No alternative system to patriarchy really seems to have had much of a lifespan, but that’s merely an empirical observation. The important part is getting betas, the vast majority of men, t realize they are voluntarily (in a collective sense) funding their own misery and demise. Then let the chips fall where they may.

        For betas (the vast majority of men according to this site), having a government means paying through the nose for someone to prevent you from doing what you ought to do, to someone boinking your wife. Is that supposed to be a good deal? I mean, all these betas have only one life. Is that the best they can do?

        Of course, sans intrusive government, an Alpha will have similar opportunities to bludgeon you to death. Thing is, the (going this blog) 5-1 ratio of betas to alphas, leave most alphas a bit outgunned. And, the traits that make someone beta; like having a low time preference and not being an asshole, is exactly the traits that encourage the kind of weapons building and cooperation necessary to maintain or extend that 5-1 ratio. This is basically civilization formation 101.

        In addition, what some largely childless progressively indoctrinated philanderer in our degenerate dystopia happens to feel; the cultures where men capable of building and wielding weapons do rule the roost, procreate and rear similar minded children, will just walk all over the cultures where they do not. Hence, giving a toot about the survival of Western once-was-civilization, does in practice entail making sure the men their wake the heck up and make at least some effort at putting up a fight. Instead of standing there bent over while an army of tax feeding leeches service them as they collectively fall of a cliff.

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      • on April 28, 2012 at 7:49 pm Anonymous

        No, Hypergamy isn’t Feminism. But Feminism leverages the other. Part of why many mistake one for the other.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 7:08 pm askjoe

        whatevers, most Americans are going to keep voting for the same party that caters to their own ass raping at the hands of the hypergamous sex. Most peeps will never ID the problem or blame the parties responsible (i.e,. idiot judges at war with western society) because to do so would be icky.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 8:30 pm moses

        Read the old testament. Adulterers are to be stoned to death in public.

        Moses and his people didn’t screw around.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 9:10 pm Ripp

        “if men are fucking married women, then they are part of the problem.”

        Somewhat disagree. You’re making a sweeping generalization that entirely faults the man for this action. It also assumes the man had knowledge of the marriage.

        Women bear responsibility for their actions as well.

        Further it should be noted that a cheating married woman is always a risk given her biology to be driven by emotions which can be energized to seduce her into a disregard for loyal commitments.

        A “marriage” is simply a legal constraint, a series of social/family acknowledgments and some religous banter sprinkled in. After a short duration, say 6 to 18 months the behavior between the spouses is similar to an LTR of any kind: except a legal binding still remains.

        If wifey stays attractive and hubby beta’s out and stops managing the LTR…hypergamy sets in wifey and the cycle is perpetuated of her lookin for alpha cock.

        Can’t really blame the alpha who saw a mark and took it down one night.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 11:01 am DiamondEyes

        This argument that alphas should have no moral compunction about knowingly fucking another man’s fiance or wife is the argument that alpha men should be just as solipsistic, amoral, and lacking of integrity or honor as the whores are. In other words we should be like the cunts we chase. I strongly disagree. I think getting laid at every opportunity just makes you a cad and a slave to your dick. Getting laid when you want to, on your terms, but not needing to make that the top priority is alpha. Quality, not quantity. If you HAVE to fuck a woman whether she is married or not, you are still a pussy-slave, and in my mind a beta. And, if she is married or engaged to a beta or omega, just how hot is she anyway? She’s probably a fucking swamp donk.

        Preserving your innate integrity and values no matter what happens externally is supremely alpha.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 11:37 am GeishaKate

        “Preserving your innate integrity and values no matter what happens externally is supremely alpha.”

        Three cheers!!!

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      • on April 28, 2012 at 1:20 pm Darius Jackson

        Go away!

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 1:40 pm YaReally

        Mine is gorgeous. She’s going to bring her wedding dress over before the wedding because I won’t ever get married and this is my chance to fuck a bride lol

        Fully aware I’m going to hell.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 1:51 pm Anon

        was this you?

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 4:58 pm Holden Caulfield

        That’s a good trick. White knighters will screech loudly.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 3:54 am Ripp

        It’s a good thing to nail a bride to be. It will make her more happy in her beta marriage- just ask DiamondEyes.

        YaReally you are a humanitarian. *fistbump*.

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      • on April 28, 2012 at 7:53 pm Anonymous

        “And, if she is married or engaged to a beta or omega, just how hot is she anyway? She’s probably a fucking swamp donk.”

        Had to laugh at that and agree.

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  13. on April 26, 2012 at 2:26 pm Soulcraft

    Great comments. The first is a bit bitter but I’m always having a better time with late-20s/early-30s ladies than ones my age (I’m now mid-20), I think partly for the same reasons he describes (I’m sadly beta too). The second one makes me want to learn to shoot a gun, I totally believe the gina-tingling effect.

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  14. on April 26, 2012 at 2:27 pm gritartisan

    “unless he’s a complete douche, you guys will be invited to the wedding.”

    Even in the throes of libido, the hamster still tolls. Its both saddening and liberating to know that hypergamy knows no bounds.

    Let me rephrase this: “if my future husband is more alpha than you, you will probably won’t be allowed to stay in my life.”

    It should be refreshing to the future husband (and cause some angst for the shooter) that the ego stroking of a fine 24 year old woman and her past alpha are soon parted in the company of a bigger alpha.

    But the question becomes: with such strong alpha allure, does the future man need to personally confront the past alpha to destroy her lingering impression of him? Like AMOG the guy in broad daylight? Or can preselection and fame pull her mind away?

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 4:43 pm The Raven

      Doesn’t cause me the slightest bit of angst. First, because she knows the chances of her landing a greater alpha than me are (for her) slim to none. She recently dumped a 25-year-old Marine Infantry officer at the mere suggestion I might give her an LTR. And secondly, I don’t give a fuck what she does in the long run. She amuses me, nothing more.

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  15. on April 26, 2012 at 2:38 pm redbankbullshit

    From the finale of Heartiste’s post…

    “…it’s with good reason civilization only flourished once it was patrolled and the pleasure of its vessels redistributed.”

    I’ve been wondering about this lately… if we’ve acknowledged that the sexual marketplace predates and rules the economic marketplace…

    then does Heartiste’s advocacy for the restoration of monogamy make him a sexual-marketplace Marxist? I key in on the word “redistributed.” 🙂

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 4:43 pm Original JB

      Not really, because we don’t have a genuine sexual free market: too many women jobs are contrived bullshit.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 7:16 pm Laconophile

      You’re being liberal with the word marxist. Things have always been redistributed, marxism just redistributes things based on who can wait in line the longest.

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  16. on April 26, 2012 at 2:47 pm anon

    I wonder how many betas have read this stuff just before ending themselves?

    Dont kid yourself into thinking you are simply running a self-help service here. All this is true, but it is not openly discussed or even acknowledged anywhere else. That makes it a pretty solid punch in the gut.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 3:13 pm anon

      actually, reading VK’s stuff will make you want to cut your wrists, I had to stop reading his blog after he and his friends banged like 5 HB10 swedish chicks in a weekend fuck fest because damn at least with porn you know that that stuff is set up, if VK’s being honest our existence seems futile.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 3:46 pm anon

        who is VK?

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 4:52 pm notthatanon

        hit ctrl-F then type in vk, hit enter a few times.

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  17. on April 26, 2012 at 2:52 pm chi-town

    Still wonder how porn tech will keep up. Will we be able to generate women with computer algorithms more attractive than real ones? Will we have virtual reality? Its not just sex robots which I think is a bigger technical gap. Computer graphics and virtual reality might sap the demand for 3s and 4s. Legal prostitution in Europe may be the foundation for the more attractive girls there. Thus I see substitution factors playing a huge role.

    I suspect we will see soft polygamy in the lower ranks of the sexual market place.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 5:39 pm Randall

      Legal prostitution in Europe may be the foundation for the more attractive girls there.

      We could test this by comparing the attractiveness of women in a jurisdiction where prostitution is legal with that of chicks in a neighboring jurisdiction where hookers are illegal. For instance, are chicks in the prostitution-allowing Australian state of Victoria more feminine in behavior, better dressed, and less overweight than in neighboring South Australia or New South Wales?

      I think your prediction about virtual reality’s effect on 3s and 4s is too optimistic, from their perspective. Robust VR will destroy the demand for 6s, maybe even of 7s.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 11:17 pm Paul Murray

        I don’t think prostitution is a big enough segment to matter that much in this regard. And comparing NSW and Vic (Sydney and Melbourne) is pointless – too many other factors to be systematic.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 11:19 pm Paul Murray

        The foundation for the more attractive girls is the diet, the food culture. In the USA, when you go out to eat they give you enough food for five people – a real bigger-is-better attitude. Also: HFCS.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 10:30 am chi-town

        No doubt this is a primary cause along with less dependence on the automobile. Yet I had not even considered this supply of female sex on the market. These influences are cumulative. Porn is definitely more main stream today and many women are feeling the pressure. It just seems that the food glut has trumped it unfortunately.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 8:16 pm So, do the Zonk

        Another factor in European — especially Eastern European female attractiveness is the mass death of European males in the 30s and 40s. A huge proportion of females did not get to reproduce. The attractive ones did. Tallinn, Estonia reputedly has the most beautiful women of any European city. Not surprising that the Estonians lost a higher proportion of their men than any other country. Violent conditions lead to a shortage of males, which in turn leads to selective pressure on female beauty. Blue eyes and blemerged in a Nordic setting that was very dangerous and likely led to a severe shortage of men. Nature in cruelty only delivers beauty in return for a brutal blood-price.

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  18. on April 26, 2012 at 2:53 pm Marco

    Come on… that email in the 2nd post is obviously fake. A woman in love WILL write shit, and pour her heart out in an EMOTIONAL way, but she will NOT verbalize a chapter on evolutionary psychology in that overt manner. Nigga, please…

    Honestly, you gotta sharpen your nose for that kind of shit. More and more of the manosphere blogs are being contaminated by this kind of twisted feelgood preaching-to-the-choir, extreme-confirmation-bias-required SHIT writing. There is really no other way to put it.

    In Mala Fide has become essentially unreadable, except for a few good posts by Bardamu.

    Don’t let it happen here.

    [heartiste: the guy swears it’s true. waddaya want from me? i’m not about to hook him up to a lie detector. i’ll say what i’ve said before: anything written on the internet is basically a take it or leave it proposition. you read something, sniff it out, and see if it comports closely with your observed reality. in my case, what raven writes about women matches pretty closely the behavior i’ve witnessed of women when an alpha male is in their presence.
    as far as the girl in question in this post, maybe she’s one of those smarty nerd girls who actually likes talking about sciency stuff that guys like.]

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 3:30 pm corvinus

      but she will NOT verbalize a chapter on evolutionary psychology in that overt manner.

      Nursing students and nurses, in addition to being extra horny, have to study biology and anatomy. I don’t think Raven is BSing us.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 9:01 pm Libertardian

        I agree, even if it is fake, I’ve known women who could have written it. There ARE a few out there who can see their own hamster (and as someone who dislikes bullshit, they’ve spoiled me for life).

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 9:24 pm Ripp

        I can see it being true.

        Women love romance novels and english literature and crap like that. If they’ve been to a good university then they’ll have a good vocabulary and be able to write. Throw in some psych and bio 101 concepts and definitions, mix that with gina tingles and positively charged emotions from a charming alpha, an iPad and voila!

        Wet pussy lovey dovey email w/ science references.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 12:27 am Marco

        “There ARE a few out there who can see their own hamster”

        Dude, thats like going back in time and shooting your grandfather or seeing a singularity. I just can’t believe it. 😀

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 3:32 am Libertardian

        Or like John Malkovich going through the portal into his own head.


        (sorry about the @#$ing ads)

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      • on April 28, 2012 at 6:17 am Claire

        It’s true. Unfortunately even being aware of the hamster doesn’t stop it running.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 5:19 pm Anton

      The letter seems entirely plausible to me. I’ve received some not very different in tone and emphasis…

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 5:20 pm Anton

        But then I’m an academic type…

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 5:46 pm Randall

      In Mala Fide has become essentially unreadable, except for a few good posts by Bardamu.

      The truth. Most posts could be mistaken for some mangina’s satire of the manosphere.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 10:26 pm Firepower

        It Was Foretold: Ban all your good posters at the behest of shrieking, intimidated manginas
        you’re left with only
        shriekers

        Here, is where you need to be. Just check yourself and be smart and bask in the warm glow of huggable glee.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 5:51 pm Anonymous

      Rings true with my past experiences. Had a girl write me a 3 page love letter once – analyzing her feelings for me – she had a boyfriend and was a true hottie – you could practically see the hamster running in circles between the lines since she knew I would never commit.

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 12:48 pm That Guy

      Marco,

      Your problem is that you have no experience of being an Alpha to compare it with. I can’t say this specific letter is true or not, but it certainly reads like stuff I’ve experienced.

      I left a hot girl over 2 decades ago to come to the US, and she tracked me down last year on Facebook, and tells me that she is “happily” married in Brussels, with 3 kids, to a multi-millionaire. Then she tells me that she has longed to see me all these years, and wanted to know I’d be in Ireland again, as she’d fly there to see me. I told her that I wouldn’t be interested in that, then she volunteered to fly to the US to see me…

      I’ve also turned down a marriage proposal (one of many I’ve gotten) from a really hot girl (9), who was a little on the highly-strung/crazy side. She had her mother contact me and tell me that she had put $750K aside to buy her daughter a home, and that I would pick a house anywhere for that price and she would buy it for us. I wasn’t interested, and so this little hottie settles for a wealthy bank manager. But a month into the marriage, she contacts me to “hang out”…

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      • on April 28, 2012 at 6:06 am Nil faith

        I once was informed that a letter like these was written about me, i’m only eighteen and this was a few years ago, but it could be proof that they do happen, regardless of age. Here it is, editted for personal shit.

        “>well, I had another eventful day in my twisted life. I fell over
        >three times, the last time, it kinda hurt. But im fine now. Well,
        >actually, im not. My heart is so heavy; I have so much heart ache.
        >It’s not fair. He would never like me because I am a nobody. It’s
        >not some stupid little high school crush, I really love him. But I’m
        >not pretty enough, or smart enough, or skinny enough, im not good
        >enough for him. “INSERT REAL NAME HERE” is so perfect, and I want to think about him,
        >but every time I do, I just become more and more miserable. I feel
        >like a shadow. I can not even describe how I feel. I do not want to
        >dive into the depths of my heart, because I will probly just end up
        >crying. i miss him, and I feel so empty without him near me. I can
        >say, he is one of my best guy friends. The last week, we have become
        >closer, and that pains me, because that made me love him even more,
        >but I know in the end, my heart is going to get broken again. I’ve
        >never felt like this about anyone before. I love “INSERT NAME HERE” 23451248
        >35087350245 5872348527 times more then I ever did Seth. He had such
        >a pretty face, and a gorgeous smile. He is so perfect. I guess this
        >is nothing more then I fantasy. I wish this could come true. If god
        >blessed me with the chance to have a wish. Just one wish. I would
        >not pick to make me prettier, or famous, or rich, or happier,
        >because I would wish for me and “INSERT NAME HERE” to be together. And I know
        >that if we were, I would have enough happiness that I would have too
        >much, so I would have to bottle it, and send it off to people who
        >are more miserable. (OMG! This is soo corny). Cara, you must help
        >me, my heart is weighing so much in my chest, I think that’s the
        >reason I keep on falling over. I’m so depressed. It’s not fair. I
        >wish he loved me like I love him.
        >
        >I wish….
        >
        >Love your heart aching Loren”

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 1:44 pm That Guy

      Marco,

      And then there is that little story from a year ago, you might be interested in.

      I’m with a buddy, a Black Dominican guy, and we’re having a beer at a bar frequented by NYU students. He’s on the lookout for a new squeeze, and I’m just there for the beer. At the time I’m 48 and he’s 41. In walks a young couple, she about 20 yo, blonde, blue, rockin body, 9, and him about 25 yo, a 5′ 10″ skinny-jeaned, goatee, alternative type. They’re holding hands, gazing into each others eyes. They sit on barstools a few feet away at the fairly crowded bar. He orders cocktails, then turns to her – back to us – and they start to smooch. They take sips from their drinks and launch into a full-on snogfest for about 10 minutes. Then another break to sip, and another snogfest.

      My buddy says: “Man, talk about getting a room already…”

      Then he says that he thinks she’s very hot, and wouldn’t mind picking up a chick like that. So I say, “Why don’t you?”. He makes some excuse about how hard it would be for him to do that, and how all the hot chicks are taken anyway.

      So I say: “I don’t know about that… is any chick really taken?”

      So I go on to say that even that chick near us, may not be “Taken”… and so he challenges me to make a move on the Hottie. I accept.

      When Hotties’s bf gets leaves to take a leak, I say out loudly, “Dude, I’m going to fuck with the “Kissing Dude” when he gets back… WATCH”. This immediately gets Hottie’s attention, and she stares over at me for a second, I nod to her.
      I look at my buddy and he sees that it might be game-on, and he starts laughing, then insists on a chest-bump. We chest bump, and we’re both laughing loudly now, and Hottie looks a little nervous… or excited mayhaps?!

      BF comes back, sits on stool, and starts into a snogfest with Hottie, I approach from his back and raise my hand up,
      Me: “Up Top!”
      Hottie: (Blinks her eyes open) stays in clench with BF
      Me: “Up Top!”
      Hottie: (Smirks – still in kissing clench)
      Me: “UP TOP!”
      Hottie: (High Fives timidly)
      BF: (Breaks kissing clench) Excuse MEEE!!!!! (Shrill, snotty tone)
      Me: “LIGHTEN UP DUDE… she’s just trying to have SOME FUN!!!”
      BF: (Turns as if to say something, opens mouth, then turns back. Mutters something to Hottie)
      BF: (Takes a nervous sip, then leans in for another kiss)
      Hottie: (Pushes him back a little, muttering something or other)
      BF: (Incredulous look on face, starts putting on coat) “Are you coming?”
      Hottie: Oh, sorry… I think I’ll hang here for a while… I’m really sorry…
      BF: (Storms out of the place fast)
      Hottie: (Looks after him a moment… then looks over at me and my buddy… Coy smile
      Me: “Don’t just stand there, come over and introduce yourself!”

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 2:17 pm King A (Matthew King)

      The Raven’s post is true. As he replied to my original skepticism: “What man could fabricate a fuckin’ email like that?”

      More to the point, what kind of man would want to? The kind of tool who makes up bullshit for self-aggrandizement is detectable from a mile away. If the nurse hadn’t supplied him with such a pitch-perfect summation of hamster psychology (which comports independently with our own observations), the typical fabulist wouldn’t have been able to imagine it, and he couldn’t have gone into such accurate detail. You get a sense for the bullshitters. After a while their own behavior calls them out.

      I was initially skeptical only because women are completely retarded about what makes them tick. It seems the nurse’s background in medicine served her observational capacities. Anyway, that’s more plausible than a wholly contrived big fish story that just so happens to coincide precisely with the psychology of every woman I’ve ever met. And ultimately, does it matter?

      This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.

      Tall tales aren’t instructive because of their journalistic veracity. Their function is to outline the contours of a true archetype to make recognizable a pattern we would otherwise miss. Without that function there would be no fiction, and literature would be useless. If you develop a reliable radar, you don’t have to investigate the precision of reported detail. You trust your nose to detect fraud, extract the truth, and ignore the fluff. We aren’t The Columbia School of Journalism here. We’re guys at a bar.

      Matt

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 4:50 pm The Raven

      Look, believe what you want to believe, but why would anyone bother to make that shit up? I saved it because it was so fucking classic I knew sometime I’d want to show it to somebody. When I found this place, I knew there’d be some appreciation for it here. And she’s an ER nurse in a major trauma center, smart as hell (though obviously affected with that genetic mental disorder known as Female Diploid Syndrome, a.k.a. XX chromosomes), and seems to have a weird insight into her hamster’s existence, though she’s utterly powerless to stop its running.

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  19. on April 26, 2012 at 2:53 pm corvinus

    …allows [women] to pursue charming alpha males to their hearts’ content while delaying marriage or relationship fidelity until they are vaginally or emotionally spent and ready, if needed, for the Great Settle with some grateful beta who has wandered the celibate wilderness a little longer than he’d hoped.

    This statement gives me pause. I’m that beta right now in fact. The woman who thinks she’s settling for me has made me look a LOT better already, to the women who have seen us in public. Which is why I’ve gone along with it. Armed with CH, I’ve taken on the alpha role. This of course has the side effect of weaning her off the alpha boyfriend she got away from recently, and if the other younger, hotter women are any indication, she’s cruising straight for a pump-and-dump.

    I’ve often wondered what would happen to the sexual reciprocity continuum if beta males discovered en masse how boldly and shamelessly women throw themselves at the few alpha males in their midst.

    Given how desperately people cling on to idiotic liberal maxims such as the absolute equality of races, I don’t hold out much hope for other betas.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 12:56 pm P Ray

      Which is why many women pick the fallback guy JUST as her looks are about to fall …
      she wants a stable guy to pay for her,
      but doesn’t want him to have any “erotic capital” of preselection to trade up to better women.
      Hence why even the beta who knows what time it is, will refuse to commit to such an expedient (for her) deal.

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  20. on April 26, 2012 at 2:55 pm Other

    Even if 50% of marriages end in divorce, that means 50% make it. And the numbers are much higher if you’re college educated. So it’s not all bad out there.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 4:12 pm GeishaKate

      No, it isn’t. And there’s a totally ignored market: divorced women. Getting divorced once is bad enough. Who wants to do it twice? You can bet your bottom dollar a divorced woman will be a lot more relationship savvy and committed that the average Jane. And, depending on age at, and length of, marriage, she probably has a lower count as well. Why she got divorced would be pretty important to know early on though.

      [heartiste: you would think that logically this would be the case, but i recall reading a study that showed 2nd marriages have a higher divorce rate than 1st marriages. but i might be misremembering.]

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 4:26 pm Southern Man

        If I’m on a coffee date with a divorcée I always ask how and why the marriage ended, paying particular attention to how she tells the story. It’s always revealing. And comments like “so you discarded a perfectly good guy” are like tossing dynamite into a farm pond; lots of ugly stuff bubbles to the surface.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 4:44 pm GeishaKate

        No, you’re right. I keep writing in generalizations when I am really referring to my own thinking, and that might be perpetuating misconceptions. I’ve seen similar statistics. Third marriages are even worse, I think.

        The best piece of advice I received on the subject was this: figure out what went wrong before rushing into another relationship. Most people are eager to replace what is missing without any reflection on what happened. It doesn’t help when you hear celibacy is killing you 😉

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 8:16 pm Fred Rotten

        Look, Geisha, I’m willing to help you through the celibacy part while you’re reflecting on what went wrong in the other relationships.

        That’s just the type of guy I am– I’m here for people.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 8:38 pm GeishaKate

        People is plural. I’m really more of a singular type of gal. Thanks but no thanks for your offer, Rotten (or should I say rotten offer).

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 8:44 pm Fred Rotten

        (*shrug*)

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 10:51 pm driveallnight

        Poop on her, FR. Poop on her right now.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 8:58 pm Anon

        White knight FAIL.
        Never try that again.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 9:10 pm Fred Rotten

        White knight fail? Well, yes– that was part of the joke.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 9:51 pm Anon

        So if I understand you correctly, you’d mean that I’m dumb?
        … Well, perhaps you’d be right.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 10:01 pm GeishaKate

        You’re not dumb, Anon. Rotten just made a joke I wasn’t in the mood to hear. Let’s all go hang out at the pool. At the very least, there’s got to be a moat around here 🙂

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 4:51 pm gunner451

        So not true. Divorced women are much more likely to divorce a second time, this is born out in statistics which show 50% for first marriages, 67% for second marriages and 74% for third marriages. Couple of things most likely causing this, first as the partner count goes up the ability to pair bond goes down, second they’ve been rewarded with cash and prizes the first time and know that they’ll get more the second and third time and thirdly once you’ve crossed the line and done a divorce you realize that it’s not the end of the world and so it’s easier the second time.

        Also, these gals that divorce are usually NOT low partner count women as the first thing they usually do after dumping hubby is go on a slut bender that would make most South American Hookers blush. Easiest tail you can get is some freshly divorced woman looking to revalidate her SMV by screwing everything in sight.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 5:05 pm LostSailor

        According to various sources: 41-50% of first marriages end in divorce, 60-67% of second marriages, and 70-73% of third marriages.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 6:53 pm askjoe

        That is something I’ve thought for a while, that the divorce stats are colored by the number of repeat offenders. All those 2-4th marriages add up.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 9:28 pm Ripp

        any chance you guys can post links to your sources?

        divorce statistics are hard to find primary source info on and further the actual “divorce rate” is an abstract concept because what is the formula behind the rate?

        how was the data captured?

        anways not patronizing just curious if anyone has a primary source document they can reference…not just “on bobs blog.com blah blah”

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 12:49 pm LostSailor

        Divorce statistics are all over the map, so you need to be careful in defining what’s actually being counted (Does permanent separation without a legal divorce count?). I took those numbers from a quick survey of sites in a google search. And it’s not really divorce rates we’re counting, since that data is usually collected annually and expressed as number of divorces per 1,000 couples in a given year and that number is never compensated by examining the number of marriages and the type of marriage.

        That said here’s a Time article and an actual research study that generally back up most of those figures (except for 3rd marriages, I couldn’t find any confirmation there):

        http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1989124,00.html

        http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad323.pdf

        The census bureau also has annual statistics under “Number, Timing and Duration of Marriages and Divorces” if you want to delve into them

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 3:48 am Ripp

        Thanks man. *fist bump*. I appreciate the follow up. Most fucktards on here can’t backup any claims with sources. Much appreciated.

        It is a hard statistic to quantify accurately. Honestly I just focus on the qualitative observation because I go out so much and sure enough if she is ~30yrs and above, single, without a ring, SMV 6+ it is HIGHLY likely she has been divorced.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 5:17 pm Anon

        Lolz.
        Divorced single moms over 30 are also perfect marriage material because they discovered their maternal instincts and became more mature and more in touch with the beauty of life and the importance of honest truthful relationships under the blue blue sky and next to dancing pink elephants.

        Are you high?

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 6:45 pm GeishaKate

        Alright, alright! I’m sitting in the corner wearing the NAWALT cap. Happy? 🙂

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 7:51 pm Anon

        That’s a start.
        And don’t forget my brandy.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 11:26 am DiamondEyes

        Any man who commits to a divorcee or a single mother is a fucking total loser beta or lower.

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 4:57 pm askjoe

        what if the single mother is an extremely hot and committed younger girl, say 21 with a mistake she kept? If she’s willing to have your kids and have the spurned dad pay $ to you to raise that bastard, then you could consider that winning.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 3:45 am mjay

        The divorce rate in America for first marriage is 41%
        The divorce rate in America for second marriage is 60%
        The divorce rate in America for third marriage is 73%

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      • on April 28, 2012 at 8:06 pm Anonymous

        As Heartiste points out that while you might think that, logically, this would be the case, it’s NOT.

        There’s a reason the divorce happened…sometimes it’s the man’s “fault”, other times…

        Being divorced twice from two different “second” marriages with two differing women, sadly BOTH with BPD…there’s a reason for that statistic Heartiste quotes.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:32 pm GeishaKate

        You’re right. There is a reason. I used to specifically screen for divorced men thinking if I got one of the good half, we’d have a shared understanding of what a happy marriage would take. That may not have been a good strategy… 🙂

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 5:37 pm itsme

      Even if 50% of marriages end in divorce, that means 50% make it

      except that an intact marriage says nothing about marital fidelity. so even though divorce is easy, lots of women choose to stay married and bang bartenders, musicians, personal trainers, and firearms instructors on the side. sometimes even bearing their children, unbeknownst to their husbands.

      so yeah, it is actually that bad out there. unless you’re an alpha male.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 12:59 pm P Ray

        You left out the arguments along the line of “you should be grateful I married you” and “Other women think I’m too good for you”.
        A marriage can be intact without any cheating, but with no love, too.
        Basically, living like roommates.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 5:49 pm Aurini

      One problem; even in stable marriages, the mere *possibility* of divorce is a one-sided threat, looming over arguments whenever she starts to get angry.

      She has an ejector seat; you don’t. This can lead to stress, and even undermine your own alphaness in the marriage, unless you’re prepared for brinksmanship.

      A marriage without commitment on both sides is not a marriage. If she wants the government document, she’d better be putting up something that deserves it.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 9:04 pm Libertardian

        That’s just it. Having your nuts in the guillotine makes it harder to be alpha by definition, even if you can remain stone-faced while the blade whistles down.

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 2:05 pm AlphaBeta

      While 50% of marriages end in divorce, 66% of that 50% is initiated by the woman. This means that the bare fact of being a guy means you have a 33% chance of getting divorced on. Imagine the feminist uproar if there were some social or financial contract that last for life where, for the rest of her life in that contract, the woman had a 33% chance of getting raped.

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  21. on April 26, 2012 at 3:51 pm Firepower

    Marco

    Come on… that email in the 2nd post is obviously fake.

    Haven’t ya heard: if it’s on TV – FAKE,
    On the interwebz – true

    I developed this theory. It make me a billion dollars.

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  22. on April 26, 2012 at 3:59 pm collapseofman

    To be fair, beta males aren’t the biggest losers of the sexual revolution. Single mothers are.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 4:23 pm Anon

      Single mothers are the biggest winners of the sexual revolution. Before, single motherhood meant dire poverty, kids in the orphanage, no means of support, no prospect of marriage, etc.

      Now, single mothers get a check every month from (1) the state (i.e., beta male taxpayers) to support themselves and the seed of their alpha, or (2) the beta father to support themselves and bang alphas.

      Functioning uterus = ATM in America

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 4:52 pm Holden Caulfield

        Yep, single momhood is incentivized despite the fact that children grow up worse in that environment.

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      • on April 29, 2012 at 3:28 am collapseofman

        Looks good on paper; completely contradicts 100% of my observations of living single mothers in America today.

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 12:53 pm Tooters

      Single mothers also have another interesting property: it takes 50% less time to convince her to let you shit on her chest. Those bitches will do anything to get a man to stick around.

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  23. on April 26, 2012 at 4:08 pm Anonymous

    post of the year

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  24. on April 26, 2012 at 4:20 pm Aleph

    Given all this information, guys need to remember to avoid the beta-trap of mystifying the “alpha male.” While there’s a lot to be said about the trappings of today’s society, men should realize that they are fortunate enough to live in societies that possess the resources to “transform” them into alphas.

    It’s not going to be handed to you, however. You need to take it.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 6:31 pm Laconophile

      And we’re fortunate to live in a society where betas are at a discount and alphas are in demand. Thanks to the welfare state, betas have been made totally superfluous.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 8:16 pm Anonymous

        And we’re fortunate enough to live in a society where we can use anti-grav boots to leap to our destinations instead of walking-er,oops,sorry. I am a time traveller from the future. Wait,no I’m not. I just wanted to think of something that we’re fortunate to live in a society that has it.sorry.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 8:36 pm Popfizzled

        Well betas who want women need to stop trying to be providers when women dont want them. Give them what they want, pure primal dominance.

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  25. on April 26, 2012 at 4:29 pm RappaccinisDaughter

    Re: “childless mimosters.” It’s not entirely true that no woman would choose never to have children, although I will admit that we’re a statistical anomaly. I’ve known I never wanted to have children since before I fully understood how such a feat was managed, and have spent most of my adult life searching for a doctor willing to sterilize me. (Finally succeeded last year *fist pump*)

    I know, that’s boring, but here’s the part you may find interesting, since it bolsters some of the points you’ve made about digit ratio: Although we are relatively rare, there are enough of us around to be studied. It turns out that most of us have very low digit ratios. Mine is ridiculous–my ring fingers extend a full quarter-inch past my index fingers.

    On a related note, thank you for having posted those studies about LDR women. It helped explain a number of things about myself about which I’ve always wondered.

    [heartiste: that is interesting, and confirms my suspicions about women with low digit ratios.]

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  26. on April 26, 2012 at 4:49 pm Mule Chewing Briars

    All in all, the biggest winners in the Sexual Revolution have been single-celled organisms like Chlamydia trachomatis, Neisseria gonorrhoeae, HSV-1 and -2, Human Immunodeficiency Virus, HPV and Trichomonas vaginalis.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 5:06 pm ImPooping

      Boner achieved

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 5:06 pm Anon

      FTW

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 5:44 pm Firepower

      MCB just found
      NEW names
      for black
      kids

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  27. on April 26, 2012 at 5:11 pm thunear

    I’ve often wondered what would happen to the sexual reciprocity continuum if beta males discovered en masse how boldly and shamelessly women throw themselves at the few alpha males in their midst

    This.

    There’s that look you get from other men.

    You throw a couple of words into the conversation, the woman turns to you. She jibes you with a comment. You tease her back, her face lights up and she steps forward. Suddenly, the guys to the right and left of her are invisible to her. There is only you.

    Glancing around the room, you catch that look in the other guys’ faces. It’s a look of jealousy, of annoyance, but mostly, of total incomprehension. They are asking themselves “how did that guy do it?”

    You know how you did it; it’s easy. The thing you don’t get is, why don’t these other guys see it too? What’s wrong with them?

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 6:38 pm Laconophile

      “What’s wrong with them?”

      They listen to what women say instead of watching what they do.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 9:36 pm Ripp

        100%

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 4:50 pm Holden Caulfield

        Bingo

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  28. on April 26, 2012 at 5:25 pm Island

    http://thestayathomer.com/

    “I think of myself as a reasonably assertive guy. But fatherhood has taught me who really wields the power in our family and it ain’t me. When any decision regarding my two sons has to be made my status is only a tick higher than theirs–we all take it to the Ultimate Authority: Mom.”

    C’MON

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  29. on April 26, 2012 at 5:36 pm denialist

    This is some good stuff. Welcome back.

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  30. on April 26, 2012 at 5:40 pm denialist

    Now to swallow the pill completely and make it sink in – if Raven for some stupid reason to marry that chick, that HBS will wear off and eventually he will be that second best. It is the same with us men, though, heh.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 4:57 pm The Raven

      I’m not that stupid. Besides, there are plenty more where she came from.

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  31. on April 26, 2012 at 5:44 pm shiva1008

    Thanks for publishing the best comments because they are too tedious to wade through sometimes.

    Looks like you are becoming a real cultural force here – not just for maintaining the quality of the blog posts, but creating a space for likeminded intelligent people to broadcast their thoughts.

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  32. on April 26, 2012 at 5:52 pm Dan Fletcher

    With regards to twitter feed:

    “feminine men are (a) more likely to be nonheterosexual but (b), when heterosexual, have more female sexual partners”

    This could help explain how a gene for homosexuality could survive. Just a thought.

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 4:22 pm Bill Brasky

      I really just don’t see part b)…if that were true, we’d all be alot better looking

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 5:59 pm Dan Fletcher

      To clarify:

      Let’s say there is a certain gene or gene complex that encodes for men being more effeminate. Sometimes this gene is expressed as homosexuality(perhaps if exposed to too much estrogen in the womb?) This would select against the gene. However, it can also be expressed as a more effeminate hetero male who has the dandy, Casanova-type charm, thus selecting for the gene and balancing out the negative effect it has when expressed differently.

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  33. on April 26, 2012 at 5:57 pm Will

    O.T.: Unbelievable.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 8:29 pm Fred Rotten

      “If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.”

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  34. on April 26, 2012 at 6:01 pm robber

    Libertardian’s comment was in response to Bettina Arndt’s article in The Age (Australian newspaper website). Bettina Arndt is a sex therapist who is one of the few who writes in the left leaning news media about the negative effects of feminism on men. I’m guessing she gets a pass to do that because she’s a woman.

    Here’s a funny response “Does Bettina Arndt even like women”.
    http://www.dailylife.com.au/life-and-love/blogs/life-etc/does-bettina-arndt-even-like-women-20120423-1xguz.html?rand=1335221041675

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  35. on April 26, 2012 at 6:31 pm Winston

    Echoing what Shiva said… please please please continue making posts that bubble up the best comments… there are true gems down in here, but damn is it hard to keep up with.

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  36. on April 26, 2012 at 6:39 pm Laconophile

    Is it just me or has moderation been turned off?

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 11:37 pm Anontheranon

      Risky move. The comment section can become unreadable again real quick.
      But maybe the boss got tired, moderation must be a lot of work.

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  37. on April 26, 2012 at 6:45 pm realmatt

    Wow that letter from the girl to the shooting teacher was a real turnoff.

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  38. on April 26, 2012 at 7:07 pm Bigfoot

    It feels fucking fantastic to learn about game at the age of 17(I’m 18 now).

    I can’t even empathize with a beta’s mindset anymore. Back when I was discovering game I’d get pissed reading passages like but nowdays my reaction is “I’m so glad I know game, life is great”.

    I remember when I first read ch and had my eyes opened up to the world of game.

    Its as if I only had to suffer only two of betaness unlike most guys who suffer it from the age of 15-25, or 15 till death.

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  39. on April 26, 2012 at 7:14 pm Anon

    The Dailymail is always around in case the hamster gets tired

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2134980/Life-begins-35-Women-peak-thirties-confident-style-image.html

    At the top of the female celebrities list considered to be in their prime, there is Helen mirren, who is more than 60 yo.

    Spin or die tryin.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 8:15 pm JCclimber

      Just confirming what we already knew through observation, that magazines like People are for women. The most Beautiful Woman is Beyonce, a 30 year old mother? Kathleen Gifford is on the list? Jennifer Fucring Aniston?

      At least they have 1 person they considered who was under the age of 25.

      Turbo hamster food.

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 8:41 pm Fred Rotten

      “Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 8:49 pm Fearless

      I think she was voted sexiest woman of the year for 2011. I’m sure guys are swarming that 60 yr old dusty cooch. What do you mean you don’t like her? Man up and chase that old empowered tomb of a pussy.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 10:35 pm Laconophile

        I guess I’m just not man enough to handle strong, independent, old women. I’ll just have to settle for tight nubile pussy. *shameface*

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 11:10 pm Fred Rotten

        Me neither, Laconophile. Their strength, magnetism, and intelligence intimidates me.

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  40. on April 26, 2012 at 8:25 pm RufusT

    re, guns & danger turning on women:…..Something my father told me over 30yrs ago……During WWII, he was a B-17 pilot in England in 1944 when the Germans were sending V-1 buzz bombs into London…..He was stationed at a base a few miles outside of London & often went there on leave looking for English girls to hopefully bed…. The other pilots told him that if he was with a gal and the air raid siren sounded & buzz bombs came over, he would get laid that night….The buzz bombs would come over, their engines would cut out & there would be several tense seconds as all waited to see, or hear, where it would land….The explosion would signify that it had hit the ground and somewhere in London civilians had just died……The explosion was like an orgasmic release and by then the women were climbing the walls and would literally drag their dates back to their flats and be all over them……
    He described one date with a demure & proper young English gal who had seemed rather lukewarm to his advances….An air raid siren sounded & they headed for the nearest bomb shelter where she was all over him……The “all clear” sounded and she dragged him to her flat and and practically raped him….In the middle of it all, the air raid sirens went off again & he wanted to head back to the bomb shelter but she had her arms & legs wrapped around him and was just going crazy & wouldn’t let him leave….. It was summer 44 and the windows of the flat were open & they could hear the approaching buzz bombs…..The closer they got the hotter she got…..The engines cut out and she was going crazy, leaving scratches on his back….The explosions in the distance sent her over the edge…….He joked that he felt guilty in that while riding the train into London on subsequent liberties, he would find himself sort of hoping that the Germans would send V-1s into London on that night…..

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    • on April 26, 2012 at 8:52 pm death to bogus online intellectual peacocking

      Yeah, we get it, you’ve read _Gravity’s Rainbow_.

      Stop polluting a game blog with ostentatious displays of half-remembered knowledge from your comparative literature course.

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      • on April 26, 2012 at 10:39 pm Greg Eliot

        Exactly… the Krauts were all out of bombs for Limey libidos well before 1944.

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  41. on April 26, 2012 at 9:17 pm Lee

    I just got a text from a girl I haven’t seen for a couple months.

    Her: You should go buy the book Fifty shades of Grey. LOL
    Me: Ive heard about it
    Her: I’m reading it right now.
    Me:Why are you texting me
    Her:Because I’m reading that book and it made me think of you.

    I think I’m doing something right.

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 4:26 pm Bill Brasky

      Only “right” in this upside down nightmare world, comrade.

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  42. on April 26, 2012 at 9:55 pm Joe Sixpack

    Totally OT.

    Ultimo Lingerie CEO (a 40 year old divorcee’) claims that men are scared of her and don’t approach.

    Quote: “I think that guys are scared of me, to be honest – a sort of powerful businesswoman. I don’t think a lot of guys are comfortable with that.”

    (the Comments section of the article shows that men get it, yet she remains deluded)

    ARTICLE: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2135527/Michelle-Mone-announces-shes-ready-date-marriage-split–struggle.html

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 4:48 pm Holden Caulfield

      Where are those animated hamster wheel images (where the hamster hilariously flies off the wheel) CH had posted awhile back? Perfect for that article. . .

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  43. on April 26, 2012 at 10:02 pm Matt Strictland

    If civilization survives long enough it wouldn’t terribly surprise me if some future rejected far too many times Beta decides to find the gene markers for Alpha traits and Future Sapiens is made to be 100% Beta or if he is feeling nice Super Betas

    Of course women will hate this but ah well, by than we’ll just grow kids in synth wombs and VR creches and screw sex bots anyway …

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  44. on April 26, 2012 at 10:54 pm nobull

    A friend of mine once told me that he likes going out with me because women become more friendly with him. He’s probably 5ft 7″ or thereabouts, and I’m 6ft plus. This is interesting, because, as we all know, the onus is on the dude to initiate. I tend to have an aloof air, and, to be honest, women kinda bore me. Generally, unless I find a woman interesting, I’m outta bounds. While women may find this intimidating, if we consider my friend’s perspective, it doesn’t seem to stop them from milling about.

    Let’s backtrack to CH’s previous post on Beta Male Body Language Giveaway. I was surprised to see the numerous references to PUAs of diminished stature, probably of the order of my friend. In fact, to be honest, they’re not even good-looking really, at least in the classic sense. They don’t show evidence of having accomplished much, and really, for all intents and purposes, they seem kinda average. Like another buddy of mine who was pulling huge numbers of women – again, diminished stature, slim, with ginger hair and very average looks. It seems that all these so-called pua-alphas have going for them is the gift of the jibber-jabber.

    But jibber-jabber can be learned. Any performing seal can learn these tricks with a bit of training. So what are our flaunting flamingo nines and tens getting out of it all?

    I notice when I go to some European countries, women tend to pair up with their own level. Good-looking gals tend to pair with good-looking dudes, though meddling PUAs and marriage-seeking schlebs from the west can often disturb the natural order.

    Here’s my theory. Women are basically very very easy to score with, provided you address fundamental issues. Rule number 1 – don’t spook them. Beta neediness spooks them because it forces women to make decisions and to think. In fact looks can count against you, because it switches women into conniving mode, which ultimately conspires against that which they most desire – they want to be on their best behaviour, no faux pas allowed, and can sometimes make for rather stunted conversation. Disarmed, relaxed women unashamed of their ugly laughter are much easier to engage with. It often pays a man to look average and to be average because average is more equipped to disarm. Now average, on its own, does not get very far. And that’s why you need game. Which brings us to rule number 2 – initiate. Make women’s decisions for them. A vacilating beta who prefers to guage women’s reactions before responding only makes them nervous. Take. That all it takes. Take. Make their decisions for them.

    This is all there is to the paradox of timidity spooking women more than assertiveness. As dudes, we see the world from our own level, and so we tend to presume that assertiveness is more threatening. We need to understand that with women, it’s fundamentally the other way around.

    So the big question is… what are women getting out of all of this? After all, they finish up with average. It seems to me that the only winners out of all of this are the PUAs, who are able to tap into women’s mindset dominated by groupthink and their current fashion for paper alphas. What I’m getting at is that there is nothing intrinsically attractive about the “alphas” at the top of this pecking order. Women are being suckered. They are being had. And I’m laughing at them.

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 8:59 am Harkat

      Interesting. I’ve always wondered why women seem so uncomfortable with beta guys who are in my eyes, extremely unthreatening. Like, not even needy in the “LET’S BE TOGETHER FOREVER YOU ARE MY ONE TRUE LOVE” way, but just poorly socially adapted and unassertive.

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 4:32 pm Bill Brasky

      Very interesting, NoBull

      They are definitely put on edge by timid male behavior….instead of by ugly douchebags who are openly trying to get in their pants.

      Good thing our dad’s generation allowed them to make their own dumbfuck masochistic decisions.

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  45. on April 26, 2012 at 11:56 pm ladderff

    Current SM conditions are not an unalloyed good for alphas—only a tradeoff that currently favors quantity over quality. Whether those conditions make a particular man happy or not depends upon the man.

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  46. on April 27, 2012 at 12:12 am Ulf Elfvin

    Exactly. They’ll always find a way to exploit the exploitable.

    The only thing to do is to go on strike until civilization implodes – or find a better philosophy.

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 4:34 pm Bill Brasky

      Ive been waiting for it to all come crashing down since ’06

      That’s a tough road to, um, hoe.

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  47. on April 27, 2012 at 3:49 am Frost

    The problem (?) is that these men will never know, because they don’t get to see these women at their worst.

    You think betas are bitter? Try talking to a guy who’s dated a few women while they had husbands or boyfriends. Only the guys who are good with women get an opportunity to see the limits, or lack thereof, of female depravity.

    Which is fortunate really, because we can accept it without exploding the vag-peen continuum etc

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 4:40 pm Bill Brasky

      I was once sitting at a bar and struck up a conversation with a middle-aged hick couple.

      Man tells me about his life – he was in a car accident recently, screwed up his back, but lifes ok because he has a “good woman”.

      Man goes to the bathroom. Said “good woman” then slips me her phone number.

      Ignorance is bliss.

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 8:55 pm Mick

      I’ve done a couple of young women that were either engaged or married but the whole hypergamy concept never occurred to me . At the time I just though uhm yah sure I could fuck you I guess. Then the would talk about what great guys they were with and show me pictures and I would just think ya ya thats nice . For the record I guess I was very beta but really good looking so game and all that stuff you talk about here was not something that ever occurred to me. I would just stand around and wait for women to talk to me. They only wanted me to have sex and then they were done with me for good. I always thought I just had a lousy personality. I guess I was just missing game . Fuck I could have slayed. I’m 45 now , I hope it’s not too late. I still don’t understand really what game is . Does it just mean going up to hot chicks and talking to them? I work for a small company and there are never any women around. Approaching women at the store or the mall seems pretty juvenile for someone my age. Not sure what to do.

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      • on April 27, 2012 at 10:53 pm Anon

        read the mystery method; and then start reading the archives here from the beginning.

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  48. on April 27, 2012 at 5:36 am playerdiaries

    Hey guys

    I’ve been trying to apply the Game knowledge disseminated here, but I am having trouble implementing it in my local environment.
    I live in a small city with roughly 60 000 inhabitants and the number of college students at my uni is only 3500, from which, I guess a maximum of 1000 are outgoing, the rest just hang out in their dorms and I don’t know how to infiltrate those groups. I’ve also been discreetly approaching women here but 80% of the time they have a boyfriend and the other 20% either are not interested, or I get the number/hangout but they flake and don’t follow up on it.(Rough estimate, I did around 200 approaches the past 3 months)

    So what I’m asking is how can I maximize my pickup attempts(I’m still a beginner so I need to make as many approaches as I can), without turning into that guy, that only goes out to hit on girls or insists with those who are committed?
    The only solution I have in mind is to intern or transfer to another uni, in a bigger city, but maybe I’ve overlooked some things.
    Any suggestions?

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 11:26 pm Lance Draper

      At 200 approaches in the last three months, I’m guessing you’re paying a lot of attention to outer game. It sounds like you need to focus on inner game. Transform yourself into a desirable man, and radiate that.

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  49. on April 27, 2012 at 8:53 am Dude

    One commenter shouts “Karma!” and the reply is: “Karma? For getting an education, having a well-paying job, having some drive, spirit and independence, living life as one sees fit? What a strange mentality to have towards other human beings.”

    “living life as one sees fit” these days means spending your twenties chasing alpha cock and a career. Then these women should not be surprised that when they are in their 30’s there are no takers. There are consequences for living life as one sees fit…both good and bad. It’s called Karma.

    If “living life as one sees fit” means using your 20’s to find a good guy to start a family with – then that is what you get. More or less. That is also called Karma.

    Living life as one sees fit is fine as long one is willing to accept responsibility and consequences for their life choices. The utter hypocrisy of this all baffles me – they expect to live life as one sees fit, but bitch and moan about MGOTW’s and gamers.

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 11:48 am Joe Sixpack

      Tell that to this chick.

      During her alpha cock chasing “party phase” she appeared topless in a Girls Gone Wild video in exchange for a t-shirt and the opportunity to “go wild” with her friends.

      (Nevermind that sexy European girls casually lounge around topless on beaches sober for hours on end, she has “gone wild” by drunkenly flashing her tits for 3.2 seconds.)

      She later learned it was a bad idea and cries for Daddy Government to bring home the bacon to make it stop.

      She is now $5.8 Million richer and still most likely accidentally-on-purpose brings up the fact that she was a Girls Gne Wild Girl.

      The fact that women are not responsible for their actions are baked into the societal cake, with mangina judges like this putting the icing on top.

      ARTICLE: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/entertainment/girl-gone-wild-tamara-favazza-wins-58m-lawsuit

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 4:54 pm Laconophile

      This is what’s known as wanting to “have one’s cake and eat it too.” They shame men for pursuing their own self-interest instead of biting the bullet and marrying women who pursued their own shortsighted self-interest. It’s hypocrisy at its finest.

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  50. on April 27, 2012 at 9:19 am Answer

    Tragic story of a beta:

    http://news.yahoo.com/evidence-disclosed-death-marines-wife-183020745.html

    “VISTA, Calif. (AP) — Brittany Killgore was hoping to unwind for three days after filing for divorce from her Marine husband serving in Afghanistan.
    Prosecutors believe things quickly went wrong when she met another Marine for a night out.

    “She sent a text saying, ‘Help,'” Patrick Espinoza, a deputy district attorney in San Diego County, said Thursday. “She was missing from that point on.”

    Authorities said Killgore’s body was found in brush near Lake Skinner on April 17, hours after paramedics were called to a San Diego motel and found another woman with self-inflicted cuts and a suicide note…

    Killgore recently separated from Marine Lance Cpl. Cory Killgore, who was in Afghanistan when she disappeared. She cited irreconcilable differences in her divorce filing but gave no other details.

    Cory Killgore made his first public comments about his wife’s death in a statement released Thursday by the San Diego County Sheriff’s Department.

    “My wife Brittany was beautiful beyond words and her murder has left me devastated,” the statement said. “My duty to her memory is now to ensure her good reputation remains intact, and help law enforcement and prosecutors secure justice for the person or persons who took her away from me.”

    Cory Killgore has not been named as a suspect or person of interest in the killing. The couple married in July 2010.”

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  51. on April 27, 2012 at 10:31 am Anonymous

    Girlie Men In Space

    PJTV broadcasters are obviously reading CH

    http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&load=6854&mpid=56

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    • on April 27, 2012 at 5:47 pm Dan Fletcher

      Interesting, thanks for the link.

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  52. on April 27, 2012 at 10:48 am thwack

    carry around an empty guitar case when you hunt chicks.

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  53. on April 27, 2012 at 4:20 pm That Guy

    Comment in moderation…

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  54. on April 27, 2012 at 9:58 pm Enlightened Bitterness

    Hi, long time reader, first time commentator, beta male now turning towards Zeta…

    Gotta say, seeing the true nature of the modern American female ripped open and shown to the world is an education. Never had much use for PUA game and after reading all the gruesomeness courtesy of Messr. ch and squaring it up with my own experiences, glad I never played. Far as I can tell, the true nature of modern society boils down to two simple facts:

    Sex means jackshit in a world without standards.

    Women are crazy.

    everything else just boils down to details. So all you alphas out there, knock yourselves out, and get tested on a regular basis. Count me out. Sometimes the only way to beat the game is not to play.

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  55. on April 28, 2012 at 6:36 am gunslingergregi

    GeishaKate
    “Preserving your innate integrity and values no matter what happens externally is supremely alpha.”

    Three cheers!!!

    ”””””””””””’

    only prob is that is what gets those guys killed look at all the people like that around the world dieing because they are like that why they are pretty rare cause i would imagine they usually die young;.

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  56. on April 28, 2012 at 6:37 am gunslingergregi

    it makes sense the vaj gets loobed up in dangerous situations since back in the day the dudes fought it out till one was dead or maimed and the dude who was left still had adrenaline flowing and was gonna be the one that banged the crap out of the chicks there he he he

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    • on April 29, 2012 at 4:01 am CooingDove

      “loobed up”?

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      • on April 29, 2012 at 4:03 am CooingDove

        OK, I do get a bit wet when I am scared sometimes.

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  57. on April 29, 2012 at 12:04 am aaaa

    OT. Women really easier for women:http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=144422591
    funny and sad at the same time

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  58. on April 29, 2012 at 3:45 am Female circuits of arousal « Random Xpat Rantings

    […] brings women to the gun firing range, they inevitably get hot for him, and sometimes fall in love. Another comment talks about women getting uncontrollably horny when the bombs dropped over Britain during the war. […]

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  59. on April 29, 2012 at 2:38 pm charliewalesasdasdas

    > first as the partner count goes up the ability to pair bond goes down,

    Is there any research on this? Or just a thing the game blogs throw around?

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  60. on April 29, 2012 at 4:11 pm victorpride

    The current market is good for alpha dogs only when it comes to sex. She will fulfill your desires with gusto, but she will be very aggressive about it. Aggressive women are an extreme turn off.

    Alpha dogs will not be able to find a woman who will cook a meal and clean the house without complaint and on a continuing basis. This is the terrible trade off. More sex with mannish women. The old way was better.

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    • on June 21, 2012 at 9:27 am The Raven

      Oh, bullshit – you can have both. I do. They just can’t meet each other.

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  61. on April 30, 2012 at 2:25 am martaj1618

    Reblogged this on Blyad and commented:
    Feminism decoded.

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  62. on April 30, 2012 at 2:26 am martaj1618

    Reblogged this on Blyad and commented:
    Feminism decoded.

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