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Beta Males Then And Now

April 30, 2012 by CH

What is the most significant way American beta males have changed since, say, 1950? Lazier? Perhaps, but productivity numbers are higher and the ethnic composition of the nation has changed. More feminine? A sociological examination of SWPL enclaves would suggest so, but at the other extreme gadabout Skittles Men reign supreme. Poorer? Relative to the income advantage betas once enjoyed over women, yes, and this has profound sexual market implications.

But critical as those possible Western beta male devolutions are, the biggest change is something out of their control: the kinds of women available to them. Your typical 1950s beta male — and remember, the beta male designation is as much a function of the hierarchical rank of the men of his time as it is a description of objective characteristics — surveyed a dating market that was filled with slender women. At that time, only 10% of women were clinically obese. Fast forward to the present and compare and contrast: 2012 beta males must navigate the WIDE SHOALS of a dating market where 40% of women are clinically obese. And it’s even worse than that; the standard measurement of obesity has been supersized to accommodate the fattening norm.

Think about how badly this destruction of nearly one half of the female population skews the sexual market: men’s tastes in women haven’t changed one iota in 60 years, but the number of available women that satisfy men’s tastes has effectively been halved. In 1950, for every man, there was close to one woman who met his minimal fuckability threshold because she kept a slender figure. In 2012, for every man, there is one HALF of a woman who meets his minimal fuckability threshold because she keeps a slender figure. Or, to put it more starkly, in 1950 there was one thin woman for every man. In 2012, there are two men fighting for the fuck rights to one thin woman.

Now not all of these 1950s women were facially attractive. Nevertheless, fatness remains the relevant variable because the bone structure of female facial attractiveness likely hasn’t changed much in such a short evolutionary time frame. No other environmental insult, besides gross facial disfigurement, damages a woman’s looks like fatness; a woman’s SMV will begin the steep nose dive in earnest once she gets to about 15 pounds or more overweight. The SIMPLEST thing a woman can do for herself to remain attractive to the maximum number of men is to avoid getting fat. That’s it. And yet, 70+% of women (if we include the merely overweight along with the obese) can’t seem to muster the willpower to do that bare minimum to appease men’s desires. Thank you, feminism.

Therein lies the biggest difference between 1950s beta males and beta males today: all else equal, the contemporary beta male has to work twice as hard to get the same woman he could have gotten in 1950. Analogously, the typical 2012 beta male, if he settles, will settle with a woman much uglier and fatter than he would have had to settle for in 1950.

This is no reflection on the beta males themselves. The same 2012 beta transported back to 1950 would be able to land himself a higher quality (read: thinner) woman then. Even an uglier, fatter, stupider, anti-social beta male of today would, if he were to magically escape to 1950, have better odds of nabbing himself a thin, desirable woman, albeit likely one who wasn’t particularly facially pretty compared to the women of her time. That is just simple sexual market arithmetic.

Many millennial beta males, faced with these miserable odds, drop out and plug into video games and porn. Others attempt a resurrection of their manlier instincts by learning game and competing for the shrinking pool of lithe beauties. Still others regress into effeminate nancyboys, suppress their true desires, and settle for some chubbed out feminist, insisting that licking the construction boots of these husky hags is exactly what they wanted all along.

If you want to know where the beta males are heading, just follow the trail of female fatness. The problem isn’t that men’s standards have gotten higher; no, the problem is that the standard woman for men has become grosser. Since the mating game is zero sum, this means more beta males lose out today than in the past, through no fault of their own.

As I’ve said before, the two most powerful drivers of the modern sexual market — female obesity and female hypergamy — remain almost completely unacknowledged by the prestige press as causes for family dissolution, men “dropping out”, marriage and divorce rates and general social dysfunction. Feminists, understandably, won’t touch these subjects with a ten foot clit, except to co-opt them in twisted, bizarro semantics that inverse their truth content.

Some women may be consciously aware of this sexual market skew that favors them, and act accordingly. But I bet for most women it doesn’t register except on a subconscious level. Regardless, the result is the same: an expectation nation of entitled fat cunts and beggarly betaboys. We have passed the event horizon where truth and beauty vow fealty to lies and ugliness.

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  1. on April 30, 2012 at 6:08 pm Dan Fletcher

    ” female obesity and female hypergamy — remain almost completely unacknowledged by the prestige press as causes for family dissolution, men “dropping out”, marriage and divorce rates and general social dysfunction”

    Money quote right here.

    Feminism and the obesity epidemic go hand in hand. Feminism led women to see cooking healthy meals as drudge work. Furthermore, with women entering the workforce, they had less free time to prepare nutritious food for their families. Pre-packaged and other convenience foods took off, leading to the obesity crisis(yes, crisis) we are seeing today.

    No wander so many in the man-o-sphere are also ardent followers of the paleo diet.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 10:36 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      lozozoozoz HEARTISTE YOU ON-UPPED THE GBFM AGAIN!!!!

      jssu just when i think that i am brilliant in stating that the FED hid inflation in women’s buttholez during secretive tapings of buttehxt sessions by tucker max rhymes with godman sax, heartriste comes along and SCIENTIFCIALLY proves that the FED ALSO hid INFLATION in da FAT ROLLS of da moreenderz womenz zlzoozlzozoz

      were it not for da buttholes and fat roles fat rolls, hyperinflation would have taken over by now and an entire barrel of dollars wouldn’t even be able to buy u ten minutes of bukkakakek porn lzozzllzozlzlzozlozozoz

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 10:46 pm Firepower

      Marriage: It’s a trap!

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 11:02 pm Anonymous

        Didn’t use to be…but with Feminism’s induced changes to the rules of that game, it really, really IS one.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 12:49 am Stuki

        More correctly, a symptom of the trap. The trap itself is a government capable of coercing behavior; and confiscating and redistributing property. Women just happen to be prime candidates for accepting and encouraging this, as they are wired to interpret the act of forced redistribution itself as a display of power and alphatude by the redistributor, and hence to get all hot, bothered and weak kneed over him/them.

        That’s not womens “fault.” It’s just how they’re wired. The people committing a fault, as in violating the prime evolutionary and divine directive of going forth and multiply, are those who are on the losing end of this redistribution, but still do nothing about it; preferring to sit on their hands and twiddle their thumbs while the only life they’re given goes to waste in indentured servitude to parasites, assholes and other assorted boat anchors around the ankles of a could-have-been civilization.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 10:59 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      lzozolz when i was in first grades they put me in with the artistic kids at my school but they confused their r ss and us and by mistake misspelled artistic as autistic on the door to thda class for artistic kids lzozozl lzozzlzozo

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  2. on April 30, 2012 at 6:10 pm Dan Fletcher

    With regard to the twitter post about the ugliness rating app:

    That is a brilliant idea for a phone app. I’m upset I didn’t think of it first. Not only will something like that sell very well on its own, it has built in PR as people come out to condemn it.

    I suspect it will be MOST used by girls.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 8:06 pm Laconophile

      I already have an attractiveness meter in my pants.

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 9:13 pm Bill Brasky

        nice

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 11:03 pm Anonymous

        Pretty much all men do…they’ve just let it go out of whack uncalibrated because of the very thing Heartiste’s talking about on this blogpost.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 9:30 pm deaconblues777

      The 800 pound rationalization hamster entered the room, crushing thousands in her undulating, corpulent waves, and a voice cried out from Heaven saying ” It is Done!!! ” http://www.insideedition.com/news/8091/800-pound-bride-is-fitted-for-wedding-gown.aspx

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 6:31 am andrewmichaelmedina

        30,000 calories a DAY. That’s what I eat in a month.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 11:20 am Gil

        30k calories!?!? Makes you think: what’s goes up must come down and what goes in must come out . . .

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 11:44 am The Returned

        Thats not much, I need to eat 8,000 calories a day just to keep my weight steady with only 20 lbs of muscle i look well toned. If I started bodybuilding hardcore I would probably need double that.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 1:20 pm carolyn

        impossible to eat 30,000 calories/day. nobody could keep it down.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 8:34 pm Sara

        I actually feel like stories like this are worse for society than beneficial. Instead of looking at stories like this and going, “Wow, that is terrible that she is so heavy,” most people look at it and go, “800 lbs! Jeez, that’s awful! At least I don’t weight that much. I only weigh 350.” Articles like this show that there is always someone worse off than yourself, which further allows people to justify their own weight.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 8:42 pm Laconophile

        This is also the reason for the popularity of Jerry Springer type shows.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 10:53 am Redleg

        If people use articles like this as a personal self esteem boost, rather than an apocalyptic fucking warning of the approaching fatocolypse, then we are doomed 9 ways from sunday.

        FUCK.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 6:21 pm Laconophile

        People are unbelievably selfish. The terrifying trajectory of our civilization is not on their radar. Rather than battling the beast they’d rather stand next to it and look tolerable by comparison.

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  3. on April 30, 2012 at 6:11 pm Firepower

    Yeah, but don’t forget betas today
    are trained by society to row faster in pursuit –
    and harpoon hungry hungry whales
    thus, making them happy
    and the whales too
    at the altar

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  4. on April 30, 2012 at 6:21 pm Sea 7

    A smart woman, if there really is such a thing, could really clean-up from a monetary perspective in the whore business with moderate looks and a banging yoga body servicing the male market sector that refuses to fornicate with fatties. Too bad one can’t invest in these ladies in a legitimate fashion like one can buy stock shares of other companies on Wall Street. The only challenge would be to know when to short the stock due to her next anticipated herpes or wart outbreak.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 9:00 am enicar333

      You must not know about Backpage – check out ESCORTS

      http://chicago.backpage.com/

      Lots of smoking hotties, however I also see some fatties – where I live there are a number of so-called BBW women that advertise on Backpage – disgusting sweathogs – so guys are desperate!

      Craigslist is FILLED with fat chicks with Other Mens Children looking for a man to commit! What a garbage dump of a Society we have created! I appreciate PORN more and more.

      Want to see some HOTTIES on Craigslist? Check out MEXICO! That will be my NEXT vacation spot!

      http://tijuana.en.craigslist.com.mx/

      Women seeking Men and Casual Encounters! Fuck YA!

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 6:59 pm Big Papi

        I wasn’t that impressed. One smoking hot dark haired girl named Angel who is way the fuck outta my league, other than that I wouldn’t try to get on any of those girls (except the blond posing on top of her bathroom counter. I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t hit that). I’m sure the hotties see their “competition” and adjust rates accordingly, it would probably cost my left nutsack to get with either of those girls.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 9:06 am thunear

      I think Australia has a brothel or two listed on the stock exchange. So, there’s one way of investing in whores.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 10:05 am Tireless

      It’s better for them just to marry an attractive guy with lots of money. Even most guys that suspect a divorce is inclined to accept mutual ownership of a part of his wealth if she’s the best he can realistically get and he’s rich anyway. Being a prostitute has a ton of personal and emotional disadvantages. Besides, it’s hard work, especially emotionally. Most women are lazy, and if you can get something without hard work, I don’t blame them.

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 12:36 am xsplat

        I think being rich anyway is no hedge against the expense of divorce. I know your point is that if you have 2 million, no problem in losing one. But for me it would be a problem. Being rich allows men more leverage to not marry, as women are more likely to stick around a bit longer in the hopes of eventual marriage, or even to just be a plaything. Money is both status (attraction) and hand, and can be parlayed into relationships not based on marriage.

        If serial monogamy is your thing, anyway. It seems most girls put a time limit on relationships that aren’t leading to marriage and kids.

        But let’s say the man wants kids and doesn’t prefer to change up his women every few years. I still don’t see wealth being a good reason to marry anyway, and would try to make the arrangements without marriage, or if with marriage consider living in a man friendly jurisdiction with a history of upholding prenups.

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  5. on April 30, 2012 at 6:27 pm Anonymous

    OT: http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/04/scott-brown-influence-women-had-in-his-life-taught-him-how-to-cook

    “but when a reporter asked Huff to name an issue that she and the couple’s daughter have educated Brown on, Brown chimed in and said “how to cook.”

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  6. on April 30, 2012 at 6:30 pm peckerwood

    Well, that’s the thing. At a recent wedding, the bridesmaids did their very best to be as thin, tan, and attractive as possible for posterity and because they apparently have very high dating standards, (rich+tall etc.). I wouldn’t say the faces were stunning but toned and tan to compensate. These girls knew their SMV was high because of it. Of course, they’re still a few years under 30, so hopefully they heat the tick-tock as well.
    Some girls know the rules, they use what they have. They know that everything else is bullshit. I would say the ability of the girl to know this is true is proportional to their distance from major city centers in which career gals are wasting their 20’s being distasteful. Maybe the hosts could figure out this spark and how to encourage it in all women.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 9:34 pm deaconblues777

      Any such wisdom would be lost on the city broads…they’re too busy getting buthexed by the Berkanke fiat dollaz and enjoying every minute of it.

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  7. on April 30, 2012 at 6:31 pm Alki (@Alki_holic)

    With the pool of attractive women so crowded, shallow, and figuratively urinated in with STDs, will we see the development of Desirable-Girl-With-a-Boyfriend game? Do you have to share the few attractive, clean women with others on the days you’re not with her?

    Also, anybody have experience with this related situation?

    Say you’re texting a girl you’ve recently raw-dogged hard, twice, when in the middle of trying to set up something for later she texts something along the lines of, “That’s good cuz I don’t romance nobody, [sic] for real tho I have a boyfriend, what happened Sunday will never happen again,” (yes she is white, ungh).

    It’s not that I am really into this particular slore, it’s just that the line sounds so cliche I feel like I need in-pocket responses to it. I don’t have any girl-with-a-guy game.

    My gut instinct is to just send “lol” or “cool.” Or “Yeah I know, I’m not going to that bar again,” “I feel ya, I tried to cum in your mouth but I slipped,” or “I hope not, your 5 o’clock pussy shadow hurts, my dick feels like I tried to fuck an angry cat.”

    But I don’t know what would cover all the bases; her getting drunk and wanting to hit me up, or if it’s a common shit test, or whatever.

    Chateau prediction note: she was on her period.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 7:49 pm dlsap@hotmail.com

      The best response in this any many situations, “totally”

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 1:29 am Ripp

      If you’re objective is to keep her in sexual rotation the best response is no response followed by silence.

      Then reopen her ~3 to 5 days later with a new random cocky/funny txt that doesn’t acknowledge the previous txt at all.

      In fact I’d give her a solid 3 to 4 weeks of silence. The issue(s) leading to her decission to whore behind her BF’s back will occur again.

      And yes she was probably ovulating.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 11:34 am driveallnight

      “Cool, hi to bf”

      [heartiste: i’m not a fan of the “hi to bf” line. sounds fake chill. if a girl texts this:
      “That’s good cuz I don’t romance nobody, [sic] for real tho I have a boyfriend, what happened Sunday will never happen again,”,
      the best text reply is this:
      “right”
      her hamster will frig the fuck out wondering if you were being sincere or sarcastic. either way, you win. don’t forget: no punctuation! she doesn’t deserve your attention to syntax.]

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  8. on April 30, 2012 at 6:32 pm Anon

    I heard the best fatty excuse last week:

    “I think I’m still OK because my shadow looks thin”

    Bitch was 200lbs+ and wasn’t even joking. She really liked the allure of her shadow.
    She may be fat, but her hamster is one fit little fucker.

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  9. on April 30, 2012 at 6:33 pm L

    There are plenty of ‘smart’ women…just not many inspiring,honest,creative,ethical,compassionate,fun to be around ones.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 7:46 pm Anon

      Creative?

      Ah OK, you mean a good cook.

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  10. on April 30, 2012 at 6:35 pm Glaucon

    Go East, Young Man

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 11:35 am driveallnight

      +1

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  11. on April 30, 2012 at 6:35 pm L

    Of course the fatter and bigger boned the bitches get, the less the physical differential between male and female, and for sure the f**kmeat likes to be the small spoon even though most of them are fricking dessert spoons themselves lol

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  12. on April 30, 2012 at 6:36 pm kc83

    I’ve long had these thoughts while watching Mad Men. It’s the greater betas who are the biggest losers in this new paradigm; where we once had no trouble snagging 7s and the occasional 8 in the 50s, we now have to fight for the scraps with 50,000 other under-sexed men today.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 7:17 pm Darius Jackson

      “50,000 other under-sexed men…” You mean OVER-sexed,right? And under-LOVED!

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 10:59 pm Anonymous

      “where we once had no trouble snagging 7s and the occasional 8 in the 50s”

      How can that be true? There are fewer 7’s and even fewer 8’s. They’re going to go to the most desirable men regardless of the decade.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 9:43 pm kc83

        I was referring to Greater Betas, the one’s that have some social skills, that aren’t entirely inept with women, are generally likable and can work their way up and provide a decent living. These men could snag decent looking women back in the day. Not so much anymore…

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 12:05 am Spiralina

      You do realize Mad Men is a TV show, right? And most people didn’t look like that in the 50s? That’s like watching the Walking Dead and bemoaning the good old days before we had to deal with all the zombies.

      I don’t think Chateau is saying most betas could get a 7 or 8 in the 50s – just that the ratings scale itself has been artificially skewed by a majority of women reducing themselves to 3s and under by becoming obese. The problem is there aren’t enough 5s and 6s to go around anymore (which is what the vast majority of betas in any era were snapping up – average women – that’s why they’re called 5s).

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 6:41 am HR Lincoln

        I grew up in the Mad Men era. Lived in a neighborhood of nuclear families, with households headed by men who were overwhelmingly beta. I don’t remember one fat mama, not one, and some of them were pretty damned good looking.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 11:05 am Tyrone

        That was my experience as well.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 5:35 pm doug1111

        Greater betas making good money with statusy establishment not too boring jobs could get 7’s or even 8’s in the 1950’s I think. Non alpha men were a lot more dominant acting with women then.

        An example is Pete Campbell. He may have made it to the less alpha borderline region this season but he was definitely a greater beta in earlier seasons. His wife is probably a 7.5. Yes it’s fiction but I think quite true to it’s era NY.

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  13. on April 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm L

    Is Heartiste motivated to put all this into peak oil context? Assuming we all did find willing women and squeezed out some decent spermage, the resulting generation would almost certainly be the one to be back hunting crows and drinking grass tea…..

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  14. on April 30, 2012 at 6:51 pm L

    Hmm an earlier comment about peak oil and resource collapse got lost in the mix; does anyone else reluctantly accept that even if we did all manage to breed, that that generation would be the last before the collapse back to ape-scavenging?

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 7:03 pm Bill Brasky

      I do.

      I can’t think of which prospect is a better reason not to breed: collapse of industrial civilization or business as usual.

      Either way, I can’t imagine bringing a son into this…

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 8:17 pm Laconophile

      What’s wrong with ape-scavenging? The Road would be fun to experience.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 3:24 am Anon

      Our ancestors were never sure about what would occur the next day. Death and misery were always around the corner, not to mention stratospherically higher rates of infant mortality and adult mortality. And yet they kept breeding, and against all odds, we’re here, writing random stuff on weird pieces of machinery.
      Refraining from breeding because you’re afraid about what would happen tomorrow is weak swpl lefty nancyboy sauce. If you think that you’re up to the task of raising other human beings and that would the best way for you to be a better man, then do it. To hell with the apocalypse, we’re all gonna die sooner or later.
      But if you can’t stand the idea of having little human beings sucking the fun out of your life, then it would be wise to keep it bachelor and consider the world your playground.

      The revolting thing is that I can’t sincerely and honestly advise a man to get married and start a family in the anglosphere. But that’s another story.

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  15. on April 30, 2012 at 6:53 pm bdub85

    It’s worse having these beta males coddle these fat whales saying it’s ok to be “big and beautiful”. People need to tell these fat whales it’s not ok to be a fat whale. I don’t spend 12+ hours in the gym a week to bang a fatty.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 7:14 pm first time caller

      12 hours a week? Seems a little excessive unless you’re a pro athlete or a seriously competitive body builder. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for people being fit.

      Game is the reason why you don’t have to toss a fuck into fatty. Developing jersey shore beach muscles might help, but it’s a very small piece of the pie.

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 7:34 pm askjoe

        Some fools really overdo the cardio…and then go home and eat back all their calories. The whole slow heart-rate equals fat burning is one of the bigger lies in fitness. Get in, go hard, get out.

        On topic, it sucks that we’ve all be raised to believe our sexual prospects would be the same as it was back in marriage 1.0. Just be yourself, give a girl flowers, and then boom married for life. Sorry, the Duke baseball team is fucking all the girls on campus, you may have their discards…when they hit 33.

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 8:30 pm bdub85

        I train with my buddy that is about to get his pro card in bodybuilding. I do a lot of high volume work which eats up time. Plus, it takes more time working out with someone because you have to wait for them and switch. I could get away with a lot less, but I’m on gear and I want to take advantage of it.

        But yes I agree, muscles don’t mean anything if you don’t have game. I had no problem pulling good looking chicks when I was skinny. I just find that it helps being bigger now.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 7:24 pm Anon

      4-5 hours is all I ever needed to be muscular and quite big.
      I’m not the quickest gainer, it took me a few years, but it’s useless to do more. Even the juiced up guys I know don’t do more than 8 hours.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 12:06 am ExceedandLead

      A good friend fell for this “big and beautiful” mindfuck. He shacked up with a chubby a year ago. She balloons throughout the year, puts on 25 lbs (she was already chubby) when she realizes he’s in for the long haul. She gets him to get fat, grow his hair out, dress like shit, and tells him she likes him that way. Now they’re just fat and ugly together. Guy was a ladykiller a few years ago too.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 2:14 pm chi-town

        That is one problem with chubby. How do I put this? Its like a cut in the boxing ring. Its an opening for a gusher, a fat and jolly good time.

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  16. on April 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm odds

    And don’t listen to those equalist bank slate fat apologists either. Lots of liberals will cry “but obesity is directly related to poverty.” It’s a bullshit argument because losing weight is cheap because hunger is free.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 7:59 pm Anon

      both are correlated with IQ, and no doubt willpower as well.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 11:52 am Jason

        I definitely believe that obesity correlates with ignorance — learn about nutrition, and you change your diet. But IQ? That’s a different kettle of fish. Do you have a source?

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 1:04 pm sfer

        http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v30/n9/abs/0803279a.html

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 11:05 am Jason

        It seems to support a correlation between both IQ and education, as described in the conclusion. Interesting…

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 8:23 pm Laconophile

      Tell them “fat fuckedness is directly related to fat fuckedness-apologists”

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 11:57 am Jason

      There IS a connection between obesity and poverty. Listen to the nutritionists who’ve coined the term “food deserts” — vast areas of our nation in which you cannot buy nutritive meals. Live in one of those areas, and you’ll be eating fast food much more often.

      So it becomes a chicken-or-the-egg question. Did people get fat because they live in the food deserts, or did the food deserts arise because people there were ignorant and didn’t want fresh foods? And what was the agenda of the mainstream food corporations forty years ago when all this started to occur?

      It’s oversimplifying the argument to say that “hunger is free”. It’s much more complicated, especially in the U.S.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 6:04 pm sally

        The concept of the “food desert” is a myth.
        http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-04-22/news/31380139_1_food-desert-supermarkets-west-harlem This article is from the NY Daily News (not exactly Nature), but it cites a ton of research articles. Here is a similar article in the NYTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/health/research/pairing-of-food-deserts-and-obesity-challenged-in-studies.html

        If there actually is an association between number of health food stores in a neighborhood and obesity rates, causality is likely to be in reverse (i.e. fewer health food grocers because people have unhealthy habits and the demand is low- if there was demand for healthy food, wouldn’t health food stores capitalize on this and open up stores in impoverished areas?). It is unfortunate that most people were raised in environments that did not emphasize the importance of healthy living.

        The rise in obesity rates is likely to be the result of increased access to cheap, fast food, not diminished access to healthy food….and evolving social norms that accept obesity. We could help solve the issue by heavily regulating the food industry and taxing the shit out of junk food (in a similar fashion as cigarettes) but the logistics of implementing such legislation, the economic costs, and the philosophical arguments against such governmental interference prevent us from doing this. Alternatively, we could slowly change cultural norms and make it okay to shame people into getting skinny (this is actually a proposed solution from a sociologist that I know)…

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 11:32 am Jason

        Huh: I stand corrected. Food deserts are apparently a myth.

        But the fatty shaming solution that the sociologist suggests is verrrry interesting. The U.S. isn’t very high on the shame scale, as cultures go, since we’re too individualistic, and this would be an unexpected demonstration of community-bonding. (Remember the hubbub a few years ago when that one county somewhere starting putting pictures of convicted DUI offenders up on their government website?)

        My prediction: If it happens, fatty-shaming will be a totally female phenomenon, perpetrated by skinny women against fat women. After all, shame is a classic female weapon. In a bad future, it might even take the form of class warfare. The wealthy Anglo/Asian women will use this as a sanctioned way to hate on the poor Afro/Latino women.

        Whatever way it turns out, the project of shrinking our collective waists is going to be the new temperance movement of the 21st century. (Unless global food production drops due to sudden changes in climate, as happened in Russia last year, in which case the process will be accomplished with minimal willpower.)

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 11:45 am Stingray

        perpetrated by skinny women against fat women.

        Won’t happen. Skinny women are at a huge advantage with all the fat women around. Why would they shame the fatties back into the competition?

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 12:48 pm Jason

        Yup. Borlaug: hero and villain.

        But didn’t the government revise the food pyramid last year to reflect more fruits and veggies?

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 3:53 pm carolyn

        ‘The U.S. isn’t very high on the shame scale, as cultures go, since we’re too individualistic’

        that’s for sure. we’re a guilt culture, not a shame culture. thank god. only an american could found a ‘fat acceptance’ movement, as well as the gay rights movement, civil rights etc. it’s all of a piece.

        just my 2 cents.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 12:05 pm Michael

        sally:”The rise in obesity rates is likely to be the result of increased access to cheap, fast food, not diminished access to healthy food…”

        more precisely: increased access to cheap subsidized high glycemic foods + government propaganda to encourage people to eat grains 6 times a day.

        The mutant wheat that is sold today is a mega-carbohydrate. Norman Borlaug & The Rockefeller Foundation may have saved millions of people in the third world in the 1960s with their super-productive strains of plants but the entire world is becoming diabetic and obese thanks to those same plants.

        We could help solve the issue by telling people to stop eating what the government tells them to eat. Whether you eat wheat and liquid sugar at McDonald’s or at home = same shit. Fast food restaurants aren’t to blame.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 3:31 pm carolyn

        +1

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 3:44 pm carolyn

        ‘food desert…’

        actually, there are. i read the nytimes piece and the commentary. the study was sloppy, and it became clear that if a grocery store was ‘only’ a mile away, it may as well be 10 miles away if you didn’t have a car. take a bus? sure, and carry cumbersome bags of groceries back, possibly accompanied by a needy toddler. the logistics are still daunting. easier the mickey d menu or the corner bodega.

        ‘We could help solve the issue by heavily regulating the food industry and taxing the shit out of junk food (in a similar fashion as cigarettes) but the
        logistics of implementing such legislation, the economic costs, and the philosophical arguments against such governmental interference prevent us from doing this.’

        nah…there’s no political will. as you say we do it with tobacco as well as alcohol. if this were on the agenda, archer,daniel, midlands and the rest of the big ag heavy hitters would buy a few more congressmen to make the threat go away. profits over the public health. and it’s much more fun to bash the fat poor.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 6:06 pm sally

        The number of grocery stores in certain parts of New York (like Crown Heights and the South Bronx) may be lower than in other more affluent areas (like the Upper West Side), but that is not to say that there aren’t ANY options at all. I know plenty of people who live in Harlem, less desirable parts of Brooklyn and Upper Manhattan, etc and they have no problem finding healthy food. There are fresh fruit and vegetable stands everywhere, due to a program from the city. There are two huge Fairways in Harlem and Red Hook that offer shuttle service, plus cheap delivery. I’m not saying that it’s not less convenient to get groceries if you live in certain areas, but it’s not that difficult either. I can only speak for New York- I have no idea what it’s like in other cities or in rural areas.

        And of course there is no political will. I’m just saying that if unhealthy food was prohibitively expensive, it would definitely reduce obesity rates…not that such an approach would be remotely feasible. And I am also not saying that people who happen to be obese are necessarily “responsible” for their obesity (who chooses to be born with genes that predispose them to increased appetite and parents who feed them Cheetos?) but focusing on food deserts and other politically correct “causes” of obesity isn’t going to help anything.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 8:43 pm carolyn

        ‘ I’m not saying that it’s not less convenient to get groceries if you live in certain areas, but it’s not that difficult either

        maybe for the motivated swpl, who can also fall back on fresh express, but not for the impoverished mom who may have many other demands on her time and energy. i’m from nyc myself and i applaud fairway’s decision to open a store in the rundown (but let’s face it, gentrifying) red hook. it would be great if more chains competed with the appalling met food. have you ever seen their produce dept?

        ‘And I am also not saying that people who happen to be obese are necessarily “responsible” for their obesity’

        i didn’t think so. any snark you detected was not directed at you. it’s just that i’m disgusted by the food industry and the fat-bashing in these parts, which is uncharitable to say the least.

        ‘focusing on food deserts and other politically correct “causes” of obesity isn’t going to help anything.’

        every little bit helps!

        ideally, education is the answer. every idiot now knows that smoking is bad for you thru govt efforts in schools and thru ads. it’d be desirable if the same level of awareness could be attained for what foods to avoid. and that’s the hell of it, since the USDA has been corrupted by big ag.

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 4:53 pm doug1111

        The only Costco in Manhattan is located in East Harlem. Yeah there’s a $50 fee to join but the food is way cheap there and high quality.

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  17. on April 30, 2012 at 7:12 pm Joe Male

    Amazing post, so much truth in it

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  18. on April 30, 2012 at 7:15 pm Darius Jackson

    I think if the average beta of today could go back to the early ’50’s he would,despite missing all his techno-shit,and perhaps feeling the music is boring,the cars uninspiring,and–if he was a lefty-type fag,being all freaked out about the status of the “negro”,he would be in paradise.. the women would be so much less sluttier,so nicer,so more normal. They would be concerned about being competent as women,i.e.,knowing how to cook. He would get laid!!! Could the leftover moralism still going strong back then have frustrated our dear boy? Maybe. But being able to relate to women as a worthy male,even if it means settling for handjobs,etc,would more than compensate him.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 7:31 pm Anon

      Are you that handsome in real life?

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  19. on April 30, 2012 at 7:16 pm GeishaKate

    Admittedly I live in a bit of a bubble since I spend most of my time with teenagers, and I don’t often find myself checking out women. But, recently, while doing regular life things like taking my daughter to a doctor’s appointment and going out to eat for my mother’s birthday, I tried to really look about me with open eyes and was kind of surprised with what I saw. I probably overlook this more than a man would because, well, I’m not a man.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 10:49 pm Firepower

      Spending all your time with teenage boys has its rewards, especially if you’re a blond teacher. Oops, sorry.

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  20. on April 30, 2012 at 7:20 pm peckerwood

    At least the democrats are trying to help beta males out unlike the GOP and the 1%, see what I found:
    http://www.theonion.com/video_embed/?id=28031Biden Unveils New Health Initiative To Make U.S. Women Hotter

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 8:40 pm Dan Fletcher

      Lol, the Onion bits poking fun at Biden are always good.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 3:46 pm Lad

      Heh, saw that today myself and instantly thought of this blog. It was linked from an article about a “48 year old man who is actually very open to dating a 25 year old woman”

      http://www.theonion.com/articles/48yearold-man-actually-very-open-to-dating-25yearo,27339/

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  21. on April 30, 2012 at 7:20 pm Aleph

    To preface, I’m a millennial. What Heartiste has laid out is correct: women my age don’t take care of themselves. The ones who do look good fall into two groups:

    1. They have amazing genetics
    2. They are extremely competitive

    Elite-level genetics are rare, as is cutthroat competitive drive in women. In my experience, both are largely stratified to the upper and upper-middle class. What I’ve noticed is that Middle Class American women are, usually without exception, fat and unattractive. I’m not even going to go into the working class, because that’s a level of ugly that I try not to spend too much time thinking about.

    Without fail, every attractive girl I see these days is from a relatively wealthy community.

    The reduced size of attractive women has had profound effects on our dating scene. Unattractive women are more likely to stay in than go out and face potential humiliation, so what emerges are giant sausagefests wherever you venture. A good ratio in any given place is so ephemeral that there is essentially a “window” in many venues when you need to do approaches.

    In addition, men have become hyper-competitive among one another. The next time you visit a gym, pay attention to the people who are really working out. I’m not talking about the people who fuck around 20 minutes on a stairmaster while flipping through their iPhones, I’m referring to the people doing heavy lifting or high intensity cardio. They’re almost all men. I suspect that the sight of a man with a very high level of musculature was rare back in the 50s. Today, it’s a common sight, and it’s not just because of improvements in nutrition. It’s coming from a place of necessity. Men need to pull out every stop in order to win attraction from women these days if they’re not naturally alpha.

    So, what has happened, and what’s being understated here in my opinion, is that the population of attractive females has drastically shrunk while the population of attractive males has gotten LARGER because of increased intra-male competition.

    This fact makes it doubly hard on millennials, and the fact that women have so many choices in men these days makes them nigh insufferable if you’re not adept at gaming them into submission. Go out to any American venue and look at the outward, blatant contempt with which women treat beta males. It’s brutal. I see women who show not an iota of remorse for the incredible level of unwarranted, usually unprovoked disrespect they impose on betas.

    It’s of my opinion that a backlash from the betas is coming. When it does, it’s going to be big. History shows that, eventually, sexually frustrated betas will unite to take away from the alphas with their advantage in numbers what they could not do on their own. Such is the ebb and flow of history.

    For the time being, if you’re a millennial, now’s not the time to sit on your laurels an wait for the rise of the beta proletariat. You need to join the rat race.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 8:55 pm frigginnickname

      I assume you’re in a largish metro area (NY/DC/la) cuz there’s a while lotta trim snatch here in Austin..

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 10:19 pm Aleph

        No, I’ve bounced between Midwest college towns and scenes for the past 4-5 years.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 1:40 pm Lololblackguy

        Come upto dallas and it’s exactly the environment he describes. However if you go upto Denton you can hang out downtown and Texas women’s university draws out a few attractive women, but it’s not heaven. Still about 70% of women are
        obese, but the sheer amount of women gets you to some of that 30%. If you check the kaiser stats, texas has 66% overweight ratings, and Dallas is one of the fattest cities in the US.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 11:14 pm Marcus

      Re ultra competitive men in Gyms, I’m one of them now. Joined up a few weeks ago and have been smashing the weights and the cardio. If you can’t beat them, join them.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 11:27 pm Cyrus

      Even so, there’s alotta fat snatch there too. Come on man, its an obesity *epidemic* you can’t say your city is immune to the sickness.

      Aleph’s post deserves alotta props. Even at an ultra-competitive university like mine, where most girls work hard to stay thin, the men compete harder.

      I didn’t even notice this until I came home my sophomore year and my mother complained that I was getting too muscular. Me? An ectomorph? I’ve only recently found myself only getting *on par* with some of the hardcore lifters at my uni’s gym.

      Current SM conditions have taken a sizeable amount of men out of the market too though….It’s funny how we get mad even at “nice” (if you will) rejections from girls. Many of my rejections are along the lines of “Try harder, stupid.” A beta male does not get such respect. Women play games with them, string them along, even insult them. It’s no wonder so many people leave the market altogether.

      The only point I disagree on is that sexually frustrated betas cannot take it out on the alpha male with no face. The alphas taking their women come from ALL different backgrounds. Any reader of this blog knows that. From serial killers, to playboy lothario entrepreneurs, to travelling RooshV’s, beta males lose on all sides.

      So what ends up happening?

      Take a look at what Slavoj Zizek says, whether you agree with him or not:

      http://www.lrb.co.uk/2011/08/19/slavoj-zizek/shoplifters-of-the-world-unite

      I think alot of the “impotent rage” Zizek mentions is the beta uprising. Although they don’t have a target. No longer do all of the alphas come from one “sect”.

      And as more and more women put on unnecessary pounds, there may just be more beta uprisings.

      TL;DR? Perhaps Occupy, London Riots, etc. have been due to a Sexual Market revolt?

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 12:00 am Aleph

        ” A beta male does not get such respect. Women play games with them, string them along, even insult them. It’s no wonder so many people leave the market altogether.”

        Most girls these days won’t even give you a shit-test if you don’t meet their standards of attractiveness. They’ll straight up ignore you. There is an air of hostility in a lot of the venues I go to because the men are all actively competing for the girls, and the girls standards are so high that they’re harshly rejecting those guys who don’t meet the hilariously high threshold they have for male attractiveness.

        It’s not even enough to be more attractive than they are sometimes.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 12:30 am DonaldMcRonald

      This is the best comment I’ve ever read on this site.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 12:38 am redbankbullshit

      post of the day award!

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 3:08 am Harkat

      This is a strong comment. Make a blog.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 9:13 am doclove

      There probably are more muscular men from all the weight lifting now than there were in the 1950s in sheer percentages. However, there are higher percentages of fat men. Being overweight and obese for men has increased too. Both men and women have gotten a lot fatter since the 1950s in the USA. The problem is that being overwieght and obese has gotten much worse for women in sheer percentages since the 1950s in comparison to men.

      I’m basing this off of memory from what I read about obesity in the USA from a few months ago so please understand if I made a few mistakes and by all means google obesity to confirm or deny what I state here. There are 6 categories from skinniest to fattest which are underweight, normal weight, overweight, class 1 obese, class 2 obese and class 3 (morbidly or severely or worst) obese by BMI, Body Mass Index. Men only outnumber women in percentages in the overweight category. Women outnumber men in every other category. The problem is women are double the percentage of men in the underweight and class 2 obese categories and triple the percentage of men in the class 3 or morbidly obese categories. Men and women aren’t too different in the normal weight, overweight and class 1 obese categories. There are higher percentages men and women in the class 3 or morbidly obese category than the underweight category which has the lowest percentages.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 11:11 am Redleg

      As much as I agree with the spirit of your argument, I dont think the solution is to become a gym rat. I dont think competing HARDER is the solution, I think competing SMARTER is. All those abs and biceps will give you is confidence. You could control your diet (re: primal), look decent, and focus instead on making smart pickups, knowing not only your type, but what kind of woman you appeal to.

      I clean up in certain contexts. I know what game I’m good at, and what game I’m bad at. Confidence can come as much from knowledge as masculine musculature.

      And further, millenial women are monstrously inept in so many social situations. Their shitty gen x parents didn’t teach them to excel in face to face interaction, and their confidence is at its highest online, not offline. They wilt under intense physical proximity, and buckle to charisma. Find a new venue, it sounds like your preferred pickup spots are full of stuck up, preening girls. Look for the dishevelled 8’s who appear to be 6’s and 7’s. Roosh has an article or two on dating hipsters, worth a read. Once you peel off their overwraught faux-80’s garb and the sweat makes their gaudy mascara and eyeliner run, many are hot!

      Until the betas rise up, I’ll scavenge what I can, when I can from the nonfatties (chubbies I can handle). Just got into ketosis again on the primal diet, and have kept my weight stable this way for 3 years.

      Good luck to you, till the revolution.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 11:22 am Lara

        True. A man with a good body and social dominance, is more appealing than a man with a great body and limited social skills.

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  22. on April 30, 2012 at 7:22 pm corvinus

    Even an uglier, fatter, stupider, anti-social beta male of today would, if he were to magically escape to 1950, have better odds of nabbing himself a thin, desirable woman, albeit likely one who wasn’t particularly facially pretty compared to the women of her time.

    No need for magic. Just move to the former Warsaw Pact.

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  23. on April 30, 2012 at 7:37 pm Skinny Girl's Perspective

    I used to fit into a size 0 just fine at my favorite national clothing store (Ann Taylor). They changed their sizing a little while back. Now, my behind no longer fills out their size 0. I have to get things taken in if I don’t want a baggy butt – in jeans! Makes me angry to no end.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 8:48 pm speculativemeasures

      That totally sucks! I find it’s best to handle the stresses of retail trickery over a glass of wine ..and you strike me as a Malbec girl. I know just the spot. What time shall I pick you up?

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 9:41 pm Skinny Girl's Perspective

        Married 🙂

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 10:29 pm deaconblues777

        Fascinating…why are you here?

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 10:45 pm Skinny Girl's Perspective

        There’s good insight here. I have a husband I adore. Reading blogs like this helps me keep things in perspective, i.e. reminds me not to take him for granted. I don’t think I ever have, but reading helps me not be lax.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 4:41 pm lurker

        Bragging and teasing.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 10:36 pm (R)Evoluzione

      “Vanity sizing.” Ought to be called “hamster sizing.”

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 9:56 am RappaccinisDaughter

      Ditto here. I reached my adult height, weight and proportions when I was 11 years old. My BMI hasn’t fluctuated past 19.5 since then. At age 11, I wore a size 6. Now, I wear a size 0 or even 00.

      [heartiste: perfect]

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 10:06 am GeishaKate

        (Just gotta say I love your name! “Oh, was there not, from the first, more poison in thy nature than in mine?”)

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 10:56 am RappaccinisDaughter

        My thanks to both Heartiste and GeishaKate for your kind comments.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 3:53 pm Firepower

        depends on how old ya are
        my great-great grandma is still
        the same size she was when 12
        she even thinks she’s Shirley Temple

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 3:20 pm Your Average Girl

        I get what you’re saying – I reached my full weight and height at 14 and haven’t budged, either, but then I wore a 5 or 7 in juniors, so what the sizes are designated as depends on what section and store you shopping in. My point is that I think it’s ridiculous that clothing is being resized to accommodate a growing, growing segment of the population that does not control their eating habits. There is no reason that people the size of you and I, who already are in the small sizes, should not fit into these clothes.

        I know stores exist to make a profit, but keeping with the views here, if women were unable to fit into those sizes (as used to be the case), then there would be more incentive for them to get healthy and drop the pounds.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 3:34 pm GeishaKate

        “so what the sizes are designated as depends on what section and store you shopping in.” Exactly. If sizes vary that means you have to try them on to be sure they fit, which means you probably spend more time in the store, which means you’ll probably buy more. There is a reason women’s pants aren’t sold by the waistline/inseam.

        i read an interview of an older model (can’t remember who right now) who said if her pants started to get tight, she kept wearing them instead of buying a larger size. That way she was reminded to eat right and exercise. I thought that was smart.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 9:42 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Yes, stores are in business to make a profit, and I respect that. And it is true that the size on the tag is unimportant–it’s just a number. Still, it is worse than irritating that I can no longer find clothes that fit me in brick-and-mortar stores, because it’s no longer profitable for stores to stock them. It’s appalling.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 10:00 am GeishaKate

        I hear ya. Let it out! Nobody ever wants to listen to these kinds of complaints. I will, however, be careful not to sigh around you, as I could knock you right over! 🙂

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 1:20 pm Skinny Girl's Perspective

        Yes, thank you! This is exactly what I meant – not sure if I was coming across correctly.

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  24. on April 30, 2012 at 7:43 pm captainbenwillard

    Tattoos, they’re my personal bugbear. So unusual to find a woman today who HASN’T debased herself with at least one. The last time I was “in the field” in the mid-’90’s, women with tattoos were rare: extreme biker chicks, goths and the like. Now, every woman you meet is inked up like a merchant seaman.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 8:07 pm Bill Brasky

      I’m right there with you man.

      And don’t think its just us…I worked with this older mexican guy who told me how much he hates tattoos…told me its a boner killer.

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 8:36 pm Anon

        Not a boner killer, a commitment killer.
        It’s a good thing actually, makes it easier to spot slutty chicks.

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 8:55 pm Days of Broken Arrows

        Actually, IMO they are a boner killer if they’re ugly tattoos, all over the arms and necks or on the breasts and legs.

        But you’re right about making it easier to spot the slutty chicks — as well as the ones with “attitudes” and gender issues, that you want to avoid.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 12:06 pm Jason

        My wife has four tattoos. She’s also a hot blonde who cooks brilliantly seven nights a week and is fully committed to our marriage.

        Is she the exception?

        [heartiste: even the sluttiest slut can be tamed by a man with sufficient alpha cred. (making no claims about your wife’s sluttiness or chasteness)]

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 8:08 pm Eduardo Palandi

      agreed. what a hideous change.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 9:28 pm Trimegistus

      Leading to the absolute weapons-grade combination: fat girls with tattoos. The saddest thing is that you just know they got the ink because they saw a picture of Angelina Jolie or somebody and thought “She’s pretty and she’s got tattoos, so if I get a tattoo, nobody will notice that I weigh four hundred fucking pounds.”

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 9:48 pm deaconblues777

      I once ran into a girl with Psalm 23 tattooed on her shoulder. Ran my hand across it and remarked “ah, the shepherd’s psalm.” She asked me what it was…

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 11:11 pm Anonymous

        Pathetic, truly pathetic. But then, I’m not expecting much better out of many of the women out there these days. I wish I could, but I can’t.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 12:42 pm itsme

      +1

      girl with tattoos: my body is my temple
      me: don’t you mean housing project?

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  25. on April 30, 2012 at 7:43 pm Domingo

    Yes, magically escaping to the 1950s (or even just the 1970s) would also mean that all the girls would have pubic hair too.
    What gives with this drive to make pussies look like plucked chickens? Cui bono?

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 5:14 am Anonymous

      Just move to the former Warsaw Pact. No magic needed.

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  26. on April 30, 2012 at 7:55 pm Johnycomelately

    Clearly something is amiss here, what is causing what? If women are the gatekeepers of sex then men must be so desperate for sex that women have allowed themselves to get fat knowing they’ll get attention anyway?

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 8:04 pm Anon

      Short term incentives would seem to always way out long term disincentives. Women are only just now starting to get a glimpse of the shit sandwich that they’ve laid out for themselves, and their response has been to crank the hamster up even further.

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 11:16 pm Anonymous

        That’s because the hamster validates their feelings.

        Every.
        Fucking.
        Time.

        Women live more by feelings than thoughts. And they still feel like they’re entitled to it all and can’t reason their way through where they’ve placed themselves. They can’t reconcile that they’ve all been lied to by their Feminist “sisters”, who’re nuttier than any fruitcake ever made.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 8:45 pm Laconophile

      Yes, women are gatekeepers of their sexholes but they need to do more gatekeeping of their pieholes too.

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  27. on April 30, 2012 at 7:58 pm carioca

    Russian brides

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  28. on April 30, 2012 at 8:31 pm Firepower

    It isn’t getting thru to you.
    Women CAN be fatties today. Get married. Live in pampered houses. And do wtf they want. Ever see a thing called youtube?
    Society has removed the shame. Near all of it.

    It’s the moundy female flesh in the Renaissance courts all over again – without ANY apparent Enlightenment.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 8:33 am Stingray

      There is still shame. I can’t go out and preach my views to circles of women for fear of being shamed away. Being a SAHM is still mostly ok, but telling other women how I like to take care of my husband, or how he deserves my respect, that most women would be happier taking care of a man rather than pursuing a career, etc. would garner a huge amount of shame from other women. Sad thing is, many of the woman in my area do stay home to take care of their kids, but it seems to be more of a status type thing rather than an actual desire to care for the family (or all her care goes to the kids and none to the husband).

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 9:14 am GeishaKate

        Yes, it certainly seems with regards to other women its best to stay quiet. I was part of an online community of women for a couple of years and the clashes I had with them were absurd. Time after time I have seen them pick men who were poor matches for them in that they held all the authority. And then they wonder why they aren’t happy. Or they adhere too strictly to rules that cause them to behave as cold or emotionless robots. Having an open heart means its going to get hurt, but I’d rather have that than a closed one.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 11:25 am Firepower

        You prove my point: YOU are the one silenced. Not hippos and feminists.
        The silencers are the fem-heifers.
        The one whose behavior is altered by group sanction is the shamee.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 11:33 am Stingray

        I agree with you, fully. Just making a point that there is still plenty of shame, it’s simply now pointed in the opposite direction. There are ways to stand against it, but I always feel a bit wrong in going about it in the most effective manner.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 11:20 am Stingray

      Heh:

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2137649/Only-Mad-Woman-50s-golden-age-No-career-No-mortgage-No-bank-account-A-husband-wouldnt-lift-finger–dont-started-girdles-A-new-book-says-forget-nostalgia.html

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  29. on April 30, 2012 at 8:53 pm Rick Derris

    Holy cow this is depressing 😦 NO F*CKING FAT CHICKS!!!

    Think about how awful it must be in China with its skewed sex ratio. The government there will have to enact legal polygamy and set up each woman with two men – the “One Chick, Two Dicks” policy. I’d hate to be the guy with the smaller johnson in such a scenario. Although it might be easier to talk the Mrs. into butt-thexing.

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  30. on April 30, 2012 at 8:53 pm Basil Ransom

    This is why I militantly endorse a tax on added sugar, to the tune of 1¢ per gram, and higher if need be. That’s 27¢ per can of Coke, doubling the cost of getting Coke, if bought in bulk at 25¢ per can. Properly understood, this is a men’s rights issue, to which all men should lend their support.

    Plus make the obese pay for all the added costs of their corpulent existence.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 9:11 pm Laconophile

      Uh oh, don’t let the libertardians hear you say that.

      We can start by ending the subsidies on fat fuckening foods and get rid of the USDA’s grain pyramid or whatever the hell they use now to fatten up the sheeple. Then we can cover the traitors in DC with corn syrup and drop them in a cage full of starving honey badgers.

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 10:59 pm Aleph

        The solution is education, not imposing restrictions on people. 99% of the population knows nothing about nutrition, how people get fat, or how to get lean.

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 11:19 pm Anonymous

        Can we do that ASAP? PLEASE?!

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 12:34 am William Byrd

      “Men’s rights,” what a goddamn joke. Begging for “rights” makes you no different from women and children, i.e., a beta man-bitch. The only right men need is the right to rule.

      And speaking as a skinny person who eats tons of sugar, no, I don’t support the government stealing any more of my money.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 8:43 pm Dan Fletcher

      No need for another tax. Simply stop the damn corn subsidies. That includes the ethanol farce.

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  31. on April 30, 2012 at 8:58 pm Cyrus

    “I can’t help it I have a glandular problem!”

    The excuses are ridiculous. I don’t have much of a frame of reference because all my female friends are relatively thin and only stress over invisible pounds (*I* argue to them that those invisible pounds are crucial for developing an idealized big ass and large tits on a slender woman – and not to worry so much!). When I ask them why OTHER girls are so fat, the hamster begins to spin: “Well, do you know how HARD it is to lose pounds for a woman?”

    Yes, I do, because it’s even harder for most men to *gain* additional pounds of muscle.

    Would it hurt these women to skip a meal every once in a while? Or at least not stuff themselves?

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 9:25 pm Rick Derris

      >>>Yes, I do, because it’s even harder for most men to *gain* additional pounds of muscle.

      I’ve heard women ridicule ectomorphs to a far greater degree than how they make fun of fat guys. Strangely, I think that the endomorph will beat out a relatively equal ectomorph.

      Figures that broads would be hypocrites – you can’t ridicule their FAT friends (who always have GREAT PERSONALITIES!) but they completely destroy the skinny guy who can’t bench 60 lbs.

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  32. on April 30, 2012 at 9:00 pm Quebecois

    One point needs to be added to the mix: It’s not just feminism or laziness that is causing the obesity epidemic. It is the profound deterioration of our food supply. Back in the 1950s, Americans were eating mostly “real” food. Today, Americans are eating the highly refined creations of a half-dozen morally bankrupt food processing corporations. Refined carbs consumption has gone through the roof, creating an epidemic of diabetes and obesity. Only when Americans find their way back to real food will this epidemic cease.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 9:10 pm Skinny Girl's Perspective

      Not only carbs, but even fruit. For instance, 25 years ago grapefruit actually tasted a bit sour like its supposed to. They taste quite a bit sweeter nowadays – genetically engineered that way to make it more attractive to modern palettes.

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 11:16 pm William Byrd

        This is a paleo myth, wild fruit is often very sweet. Check this out http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/05/31/wild-and-ancient-fruit/

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 11:24 pm Anonymous

        But it’s still not an overall good thing to do more than a little of. Seriously.

        Fructose is processed by only one part of your body- the liver. It metabolises a day’s worth or so of Glucogon for fuel storage and then it starts converting the rest to fat. While it’s sitting in your blood stream, the pancreas senses sugar in the blood stream- pumping out insulin, which does no damned good because insulin only commands your glucose response.

        The combined effects of overconsumption of Fructose is you become fat, possibly even developing “fatty liver disease”, and if you’re unlucky becoming a Type II Diabetic from all the bullshit you put your body through by eating too much fruits or consuming any substantive quantities of HFCS.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 12:15 am William Byrd

        You obviously aren’t familiar with the science.

        Fructose is an intermediate of the glycolytic pathway and is metabolized (converted to pyruvate) by most cells, although the liver metabolizes it more agressively than other organs. It predominates over glucose in some systems, e.g. in embryonic development, and is theorized to help support ATP production in low-oxygen environments.

        Fructose doesn’t significantly stimulate insulin secretion and there’s no real evidence that it damages the liver, although some rat studies show facets of the metabolic syndrome with immense fructose loads and/or protein deficiency. Human studies, assessing the effects of American fructose consumption on body weight, blood lipids, glucose tolerance, etc., have yielded weak or null results.

        Fructose has been popular with diabetics for a long time, current phobias notwithstanding. A study found that fructose and glucose promoted thermogenesis equally in thin people, but that fructose was superior to glucose in obese people. Fat people seem to have a reduced ability to metabolize glucose, relative to fructose.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 12:46 pm Lara

        It is smaller, not as perfect looking and more flavorful.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 12:44 pm Lara

        I’m reading a book about someone who time travels back to the 1950s. He says the food tastes noticeably better.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 3:29 pm chi-town

        Lower calorie food certainly does. The palatability of food now must rely on fat, sugar and salt.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 9:24 pm corvinus

      Don’t forget high fructose corn syrup. The USA is perhaps unique among all western countries in using that instead of sucrose to sweeten things up. A suckup to Archer Daniels Midland and other big corn producers. Problem is, sucrose is metabolized more quickly because it’s half glucose, whereas HFCS needs to be altered before the body can digest it. Honey is similar to HFCS but has natural enzymes that do the same thing. HFCS has none of this. The stress that causes on one’s pancreas and waistline takes its toll over time.

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      • on April 30, 2012 at 9:48 pm Skinny Girl's Perspective

        Ever notice how coupons are only for junk food? It’s insane. I wish a proper home ec class was mandatory for all high school and/or college students. Knowing how to cook healthy and within a budget is an essential skill.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 1:08 am Anonymous

        “A suckup to Archer Daniels Midland and other big corn producers.”

        Other way round: U.S. puts tariffs on foreign sugar, raising the price of U.S. sugar above the price corn sugar. Companies who need to sweeten things up choose the cheapest method: Corn sugar.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 11:38 pm Antifeminist One

      The cause of obesity is American values.

      Western junk food spreads to Asia, but they don’t get fat immediately. It’s the western culture that comes across with the food that brings in such awful ideas of ‘all shapes are beautiful’, ‘it’s what’s inside that counts’ and acceptance movements. Worst of all, femmunism.

      Mass exporting of that will destroy other societies just as completely as it is with ours.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 2:30 am Tooters

        Nope, it is the high carb load and processed franken-foods. There have been studies done on tribes exposed to western diets. The rate of diabeetus! and other ailments of the west (acne, heartburn) are staggering when compared to the tribe’s normal diets.

        Check this out:

        “Lets look at a group of people who are traditionally known to have genetically clear skin – the Japanese. A 1964 study from the University of Tokyo has found that serious acne was much more common with the Americans than with the Japanese.

        In fact, the entire Japanese island of Okinawa before the 1970s had completely clear skin without a single case of acne ever reported! And remember – this was the time before the Japanese had the “luxury” of swallowing prescription drugs and drying out their skin with harsh facial washes.

        To the untrained eye, looking at the Japanese and their ultra-clear skin makes it seem as if clear skin can be completely explained by genetics alone…

        But is that really the whole story?

        Now fast forward 35+ years later to the year 2008. Fast foods restaurant like McDonald’s have replaced sushi restaurants and high sugar sodas like Coca Cola have replaced healthy green teas.

        Here is the interesting part – as a result of this diet change of the Japanese over the years, recent studies reveal that the acne rate for the Japanese people suddenly skyrocketed to extremely high rates – similar to those in Western nations!

        Keep in mind that these are the exact same Japanese people with the exact same genetics. The only difference is that their traditional acne-free diet got mixed in with unhealthy Western fast foods and drinks.

        If genetics were the biggest factor for clear skin why did the acne skin disease rate dramatically increase for the Japanese after the introduction of Western foods?

        And this isn’t an isolated case. If you look at the Eskimos and Inuit of Northern Canada, the exact same thing happened. Once their nutrition changed and their diets shifted from a traditional healthy diet to an unhealthy Western diet, acne rates also skyrocketed.

        Dr. Otto Shaefer, a medical doctor who studied the Inuit tribe of Northern Canada for 30 years and noting the dramatic changes in their complexion after the introduction of Western foods into their diets stated, “Another condition has become prevalent, one obvious even to the laymen: acne vulgaris.”

        http://ezinearticles.com/?Acne-And-Diet—The-Truth-Exposed&id=1196555

        Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/1196555“

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 11:41 am happy@happy.com

        At our university you could identify who lived on campus (and thus who was forced to eat food cooked for them by the state university because of the absence of kitchens in dorms) and who lived off campus by their acne.

        Sudden acne flare ups that first semester of college were expected.

        The neon grease they used to lubricate the skillets seeped through the bewildered freshmen’s pores.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 8:53 pm Antifeminist One

        The article you linked might indeed be correct – from an acne perspective. That’s a tangent I’ll take at face value and not argue.

        What I know quite well, is how diet relates to weight management.

        Unfortunately, quite a few even here, seem to have it wrong. Parable of the smart birds applies here – look beyond the pop diet fads and do a little more critical thinking.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 3:33 pm chi-town

        I find even now that periods of weight gain correlate to the occasional boil. If I have a few break out, I don’t even need to use a scale. Its usually during the Fing holidays.

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  33. on April 30, 2012 at 9:00 pm Pete

    “Clearly something is amiss here, what is causing what?”

    The story of the 20th century is the destruction of the white male identity. With white males emasculated, white females have no need to remain feminine.

    Truly, society has lurched over the precipice of destruction.

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  34. on April 30, 2012 at 9:28 pm bob

    There were social/cultural limitations on hypergamy in the 1950s that are also gone. Inherent hypergamy may not have increased, but it’s expression very definitely has.

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  35. on April 30, 2012 at 9:55 pm LemonPARTY

    Aren’t you forgetting something, something HUGE that didn’t exist to that RABID degree that it does now? I’m talking about FEMINAZI LAWS and corrupted feminist legal system which criminalizes men based on women’s feelings and whims.

    Would you care for a false rape accusation, sir? Or perhaps a knock at the door from unifromed PIGS for going to bed with that drunk bitch last night would tickle your fancy, sir?

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  36. on April 30, 2012 at 10:26 pm omegaman93555

    The answer is simple and unavoidable, go foreign. If you live on the east coast you can go to Colombia for a long weekend, or even a regular weekend.

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  37. on April 30, 2012 at 10:36 pm enicar333

    att: Ladiesn BBW = FAT!!! stop the bullshit (put the fork down)

    Hey all you self proclaimed “BBW”s. You need to cut that shit out and either put the fork down or start telling the truth and put overweight or morbidly obese in your titles.

    Who the fuck are you kidding with this bbw bullshit? Stop trying to sugarcoat the fact that you haven’t seen your pussy in years because there’s so much fat hding it.

    There’s a difference between curvy, chunky, fat and morbidly obese. Curvy is still hot sometimes, chunky could be cute, but if your body is shaped like a pear or a hershey kiss, you can’t hide that shit with a cute label.

    So how about we call a spade a spade. How would you like it if I instead of saying I’m a jerk I go around claiming to be offensively sarcastic?

    http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/w4m/2988455689.html

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  38. on April 30, 2012 at 10:56 pm crashedupderby

    60-80% of all females are obese…just take a look around you.

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  39. on April 30, 2012 at 11:01 pm Big Bang

    You can keep your 1950’s ERA dreams. Back then men had to make all the money. I like my current generation woman better. She makes more money than me. One of feminism’s better side effects.

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    • on April 30, 2012 at 11:41 pm Antifeminist One

      You best be careful with that sugarmomma fantasy.

      Old values die hard – she still believes that hers is hers and yours is hers. After all, what kind of MAN wouldn’t show his love and commitment to a girl without material offerings?

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 11:48 am corvinus

        Skittles Guy.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 9:04 pm Antifeminist One

        touché

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 11:45 am driveallnight

      Pussy.

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  40. on April 30, 2012 at 11:44 pm Antifeminist One

    Sorry, in addition to the last comment I should add that one benefit to single-income households is wifely dependancy. Nowadays though, it’s just a pipedream.

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  41. on May 1, 2012 at 12:20 am Spiralina

    I really cannot recommend yoga enough for women who want to stay in shape. I work part-time as a yoga teacher at a fitness center catering to a corporate clientele, and most of the chicks who take my classes look amazing. I’m talking married women in their 40s and 50s who look like they’re 25 from the neck down. I don’t know why, but daily yoga practice and a diet free from processed foods seem to keep women relatively attractive well past their peers.

    I will practice yoga for life. There are other reasons beyond just physical attractiveness, but it’s a HUGE perk. That and the husband likes the increased flexibility 😉

    [heartiste: cosign. yoga ass is a real phenomenon.]

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 1:29 pm DiamondEyes

      The latest trend is for fat chicks to try and lose all that blubber by doing yoga. It fits with their aversion to any strenuous exercise or self-discipline. Just show up for half an hour, stretch a little bit, talk about hippy dippy bullshit, and I’ll magically lose 50 pounds and get a yoga ass after a year. No dieting or strenuous workouts needed. FAT CHANCE. That doesn’t work unless you’re already hot.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 4:00 pm Spiralina

        The fact that you think yoga doesn’t require self-discipline, and is half an hour of “stretching a little bit” and “talking about hippy dippy bullshit” shows that you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about. Either that or you’re doing it wrong.

        Fat chicks don’t do yoga, or at least not for long. It’s a lot harder than it looks and the clothes you wear are unforgiving.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 4:19 pm Firepower

        i gotta go with the girl: most yoga bods on girls I’ve had are pretty good
        I do prefer Pilates bodies because of the movement toning

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 11:44 pm Spiralina

        I agree that the micro toning moves in Pilates are unparalleled in creating a lean, long muscular line in the female body. It’s probably even better than the yoga body in terms of muscle tone.

        But I still prefer yoga because of the flexibility component. I get Pilates students in my classes sometimes, and they tend to have tightness/pain in their connective tissues because of the repetitive movements – although that may just be from bad instruction, I’m hardly a Pilates expert. I also find it kind of boring, but I admittedly went to yoga for the spiritual elements first.

        Either way, any woman who faithfully follows either system, along with cardio and free weights a couple days a week, will end up with a BANGING body within a year. Guaranteed.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 11:39 am Firepower

        why do pilates chicks tend to have more ‘feminine’ figures than pure yoga chicks. its something i’ve noticed recently – diet?

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 11:46 am Spiralina

        Pilates involves a lot of core strengthening with ‘micro’ toning movements, so you’d likely end up with a very tight core, which would likely improve WHR (and give the look of a more “feminine” figure). Yoga also promotes fasting and vegetarianism, so yoga chicks may be skinnier and have less curves.

        Just guessing, I’m not sure…haven’t noticed that correlation myself.

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 9:12 am Firepower

        it’s most noticeble in the butt region. pilates butts are more feminine

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 1:26 am Andrew Hazlett

        No cubby chicks at yoga. Maybe they just can’t stick with it for long enough to be noticed. Lots of little chicks who love to show you how they can stick their legs behind their heads later on when their back at your place..

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 3:38 pm chi-town

      What could Yoga have to do with sex? Yoga excise is a Western extract from what is essentially born from a sex cult.

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 10:37 pm Spiralina

        Errr…no. Stop believing everything you read in the NY Beta Times.

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  42. on May 1, 2012 at 12:36 am Tiger

    Obesity in a woman is unspeakably repulsive. Recently, I hooked up with a religious girl who has the most perfect body and ass you could imagine. She has ruined me for girls who are even 5 lbs overweight; they look like shuffling sacks of shit by comparison.

    Problem: she’s a virgin (20 years old) and an egregious cocktease. I’ve made out with her multiple times (6…7 times), finger-banged her (fairly gently, though she’s always very wet), sucked her tits, but she won’t even TOUCH my dick, like it’s dripping with leprosy scabs. Her reason: “sorry…I can’t give in”, citing religious reasons (she seems sincere, unfortunately).

    So I broke up with her. She was hurt and reacted like she’d been slapped in the face but tried to regain composure quickly, “I don’t blame you…I’m ok…I’m fine”. Problem: she’s the hottest piece of ass I’ve seen in a long time. Should I bail, or keep trying?

    Sorry, I don’t mean to spam, this is driving me nuts.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 10:47 am JD

      She’s 20. What does she do to maintain that weight? If the answer is “nothing” she’ll be just another whale in 5 years. Console yourself with the foreknowledge of what you’ve avoided.

      Honestly, if you haven’t evaluated her head-giving skills by date two, it’s probably time to hit the bricks. This one is just milking you for attention and orgasms.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 7:31 pm aneroidocean

        Instead of breaking up with her, you should’ve suggested oral. But then, I’m pretty partial to blow jobs. Some guys seem intent on having to fuck (and don’t get me wrong, I enjoy and desire it) but I’m pretty happy with a girl getting me off and me having to do zero work.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 10:37 am JD

        Richard Jeni said that BJs were the best because they combine a man’s two favorite activites: having sex and doing absolutely nothing at all.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 1:00 pm itsme

      no reason to not keep trying. some guys like a good challenge. but there’s also no reason not to have other girls to bust your nut into as well.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 9:39 pm corvinus

      Problem is, if you want to stick your dick in her, you’ll have to marry her. They do tend to be super-loyal and take good care of their bodies (the bible has rather man-centric quotes in that regard), but you’ll have to put up with things like her raising your kids in her faith, enormous pressure from her parents to convert even if she doesn’t push you herself, and so on. If you’re a committed atheist/hedonist, I’d say find someone else.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 5:08 am Tiger

        Thanks for replies. I’m waiting for her to contact me about a meetup. She texts every day, but we’re both very busy and haven’t scheduled a meetup. As for suggesting oral, I wish! She won’t even touch my cock, like I said–it hasn’t been out of my pants. I’d be content with a tug job.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 12:17 pm Passingby

      “but she won’t even TOUCH my dick”

      Not long-term relationship material, unless you like being a sexually-serving man whose dick is not even an after-thought to her.

      Women who like dick are all over it by age 20. Women who don’t like dick, aren’t all over it at that age, and don’t change. They may be fine with you giving their naughty bits all sorts of attention for now, but she has zero interest in reciprocating. Dump her. Move on.

      Don’t kid yourself; she will not become more interested in doing great things to your dick. This is it, mi amigo. She is really hot because she is 20, and at that age her mere appearance can be enough to keep you going.

      But at 30-35, with two kids and a comfy house in the burbs, your junk will be like some foreign nation that she vaguely remembers seeing as she flew over it, and she will have no interest in visiting it again.

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 1:42 pm Greg Eliot

        Engrave this wisdom in your heart, men… well-said, Passingby.

        It’s like that line about marriage from (of all people) Sondheim: “The good things get better, the bad things worse… wait… perhaps I have that in reverse.”

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  43. on May 1, 2012 at 1:29 am Lazarus

    I read this site just to remind me why I continue to live in Japan. Guys, don’t waste your life and get bitter by staying in the US. Women here are available, feminine and thin.

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  44. on May 1, 2012 at 1:58 am Anonymous

    Off-topic, but… ultimate commentary on the Twilight saga:
    http://9gag.com/gag/4024373

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  45. on May 1, 2012 at 2:38 am Butter

    America

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 1:41 pm Ollie

      Mooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  46. on May 1, 2012 at 2:41 am gunslingergregi

    Firepower
    Marriage: It’s a trap!

    on April 30, 2012 at 11:02 pm | ReplyAnonymous
    Didn’t use to be…but with Feminism’s induced changes to the rules of that game, it really, really IS one

    ”””””””’

    Marriage was always a trap for men. Read stories about men in world war ii having a bitch of a time paying alimony to the bitch back home while they in a war lol

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 12:19 pm Firepower

      Yep – we don’t hear about that in either John Wayne flicks or Band of Brothers.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 1:03 pm gunslingergregi

        sure don’t lol

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  47. on May 1, 2012 at 2:42 am gunslingergregi

    Feminists, understandably, won’t touch these subjects with a ten foot clit,
    ””””””””””’

    lol
    agreed it is slim pickings in the club

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  48. on May 1, 2012 at 2:49 am SiliconMagician

    Frankly I don’t understand all the bitterness on this blog. Cyincism, nihilism, conspiracy theories, basically every negative emotion and idea available. How can men with such negative views of modern American society ever project anything but negative emotions in the women you try to pick up?

    I get the feeling a lot of guys on this blog pump and dump women just to get revenge against women for some perceived slight. I can’t be angry at women for them being women and I can’t demonize them the way you guys do.

    One can be alpha without seeing women as the enemy and that is what I gather here. Alot of guys see women as the enemy.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 12:27 pm Jason

      Agreed. There are some guys with definite mommy issues here.

      But I enjoy this blog b/c it brings up legitimate gripes that modern men have with some of the gender imbalances and lies that society feeds us (e.g. obesity’s impact on the dating market in this post). These are issues that often get swept under the rug elsewhere.

      Stick around, ignore the more vile comments, and you’ll understand.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 11:22 am Anonymous

        Couldn’t agree more.

        Take everything you read with an iceberg-sized grain of salt, THINK about what you see and filter it through your own perceptions… and you’ll be a wiser man.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 2:34 pm YaReally

      “How can men with such negative views of modern American society ever project anything but negative emotions in the women you try to pick up?”

      Cause 90+% of the guys here don’t actually pick up regularly despite their big talk. A lot of them have had a bit of success here and there but that’s it and a bunch have had barely any to almost no success.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 2:52 pm Anon

      What a bunch of sissy white knights.
      Go to RSDnation if you like modern women so much.

      With all due respect, YaReally, there are bigger players than you who are far more misogynist than anything written on this blog. So the “guys who talk shit about women are just keyboard jockeys who don’t get laid” is just another form of keyboard jockeying.

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 3:09 am YaReally

        “With all due respect, YaReally, there are bigger players than you who are far more misogynist than anything written on this blog.”

        I’m aware. I hang out with those guys.

        The difference between them and the angry guys on here is that they think the Internet is for fags. They aren’t on pickup forums ranting about how evil women are or debating what to reply when a girl says she has a boyfriend.

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 1:25 pm Firepower

        One more “As Tyler Durden says inFight Club ”
        post from you
        and you’re getting sent back to Stylelife Kindergarten.

        Once heartsete mentioned you
        Wise men knew:
        Monster has been created
        Yodaquotes far not behind
        they were…

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 3:35 am YaReally

        I always enjoy your poems.

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 9:14 am Firepower

        They’re respected as
        Great Literature
        by PuaKidz®

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 3:55 pm chi-town

      Economists long ago saw the side effects that division of labor would have on the individual. Material production implies more specialization, but ineptitude everywhere else. Most people are educated beyond their means, lacking any actual experiences to enlighten them to critical thinking. We are an insular and vicarious society.

      I am fully a believer in demonizing the affects that it has had on our men and women. I love women yes, but not the American misuse of its material progress.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 4:58 pm rock chick

      Best post of the thread. No contest. Now that’s the kind of guy a good woman falls for.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 5:11 pm rock chick

      I left a remark under the wrong comment. I meant it to be here, for this guy:

      Best comment of thread. This is the kind of guy good women fall for.

      Most of the rest of you sound like you’re still in junior high. How to have “game”? Please. Grow up.

      [heartiste: i bet you have had your heart broken by a man running game on you. just a hunch.]

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  49. on May 1, 2012 at 3:38 am gunslingergregi

    stripclub>>>regular club

    most of the chicks are in shape its there job.
    fuck strippers raise your wa he he he

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  50. on May 1, 2012 at 4:20 am Popfizzled

    Beta males seemed to be no less tougher than alpha males many years ago. They simply did not understand what turned women on. They acted like men around others but lacked the knowledge of how to act around women they were attracted to, usually reverting to to that nice guy that women hate. Have you guys ever seen pictures of a bunch of smiling law abiding beta males who just hung a criminal. They did not look or act like pussies or chumps. Now when we describe someone as a beta male, we are usually referring to someone who is not only clueless with women, but does not act like a man at any point in his life period. Point is, most of the beta males of today are pussies. They will not beat the shit out of some thug who is intent on dating their daughter. They do not have the will to use violence to set things straight.

    It’s not completely their fault as they have been convinced by feminists that violence is wrong even against criminals. Feminists understand the power men have to use violence to maintain law and order and social norms that are for the benefit of society. A more peaceful society where no one gets hurt is not worth it at the expense of it slowly breaking down. If someones skull needs to be cracked to save it, then so be it.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 5:31 am Anonymous

      No. There is no part of an alpha male’s life that doesn’t involve gaming other men’s hot legal daughters. In a “patriarchy” the patriarchs (such as those in the polygamous Mormon groups) will take first dibs in the sexiest young women.

      Therefore, advocating violence by married betas (or single divorced betas who consider themselves out of the gene pool for hot young women and rationalize it’s because they have adult daughters) against alphas is not alpha. Get it?

      An alpha with a hot legal daughter may be busy working on her friends or their analogs in another town. He will try to keep her away from low IQ thugs and others with poor genetics, and the best way to do that is to give her confidence, take her to the French riviera, and teach her that hypergamy means trying to date the men with the best genetics of which low IQ thugs are not a part.

      Bring a daughter up correctly and she will use her hypergamy the right way.

      In any case, unless she’s raped, it’s her decision-making we’re talking about.

      Don’t advocate the “Let’s You and Him Fight” idea.

      That said, if you really feel the guy she’s considering is a genetic liability and not just someone who is doing what you were too beta to do yourself, go ahead and hit him.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 5:43 am Anonymous

        In fact, in the Mormon polygamous communities, the alpha males end up effectively trading each other’s daughters which is optimal to the alpha male interest especially since the daughter’s future as the wife of a rich alpha is secured by the polygamy rules of non-abandonment.

        In the soft polygamous larger culture we’re in, alpha males are also not so intent on their daughters mating with beta males. Instinctively, they want their line to be as alpha as possible so the need to be violent just isn’t there unless the thug is outrageously low in genetic value.

        This leaves the beta social conservative type of male who says he wants to violently keep his line beta, but rarely commits such violence in real life because alphas are ready to commit more violence back in retaliation and the law is not on the side of men fighting each other over a woman’s hypergamous decisions.

        It’s not as if alphas think they are doing anything wrong for which they somehow deserve to be punished. If you hit them, they will find a way to hit back harder and it will always be that way, more so in a patriarchy than the current matriarchy.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 7:12 am Popfizzled

        Disagree, your post seems to give a certain invincibility to an alpha male. An alphas nose is busted just as easily as a betas. In fact, my whole point is its only now at this current point in time that betas are drastically different from alpha males. The only difference before was that betas did not understand how to attract women. But, both alpha and beta use to be ready to use violence to fight for what they thought was right. Men settle disputes with violence. That’s the way its always been. It started in the playgrounds at school and only ends once you die. Beta males of the past use to not take shit from other men alpha or not. It seems as if your implying only alpha males have the ability to take a dispute all the way. That may be so in this current day and age but it didn’t always use to be this way.

        Im sure you understand that sometimes men have to fight because they cant settle their differences in words. That’s not a “lets you and him fight.” But I agree with you that men shouldn’t fight over a woman that isnt theirs. However, I’m quite sure that if my sister had ever brought home a idiot thug before she was out on her own, my father would have told said thug to fuck off. If he insisted that he was not, my father would of either whooped his ass, or got his ass whooped. If he was the one who did the ass whoopin and the so called thug comes back with a gun for retaliation, well my father has a few guns laying around as well. Point is, sometimes there are valid reasons to have to fight. Just because a man is beta does not mean he has to take shit from either alphas or other betas. My father is the prime example of beta who doesnt take crap from other men, but he is horrible with women. He gives in to my moms every demand and does not have a backbone when it comes to hot women.

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  51. on May 1, 2012 at 5:23 am the dude

    If men demanded slender women, this would not have happened. However, rogering a whale despite her supersize allows for this trend to continue. US nancyboys cannot voice their preferences, or at least vote with their feet and leave.

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  52. on May 1, 2012 at 5:43 am gunslingergregi

    Really quit complaining we got it pretty good today as men don’t get married.
    We got video games and pussy what more do ya want?

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  53. on May 1, 2012 at 6:45 am L

    Recently I decided that either I would kill myself or live completely selfishly and pursue what I enjoy despite the fact that it almost certainly won’t help me procreate. I now spend about 22 hours a week in the gym and the rest of my nonworking time shredding 80s electric guitar.

    Let this world burn, it’s not in fact worth saving, nor the people on it, nor the universe worth consideration- only some demented accident of quanta, moving only and ever faster towards oblivion, erasing itself maniacally gleefully, in fact uncaringly. Don’t let the sex instinct of the life virus trick you into giving a fuck as it were lol

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  54. on May 1, 2012 at 7:38 am theprivateman

    Every notice how women talk incessantly about food?

    Just an observation of mine.

    [heartiste: yes. this observation is the basis for a screening question i use on new girls.]

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 8:36 am Big Bang

      And how. If you work in a co-ed office like I do, the females are always having food days where everyone brings in a dish constantly. At 9AM they are already talking about lunch.

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  55. on May 1, 2012 at 8:49 am L

    Yeah I mean it’s not like men haven’t gotten fatter too. Yep not at all, men are disciplined 24/7.

    [heartiste: of course men have gotten fatter. but it’s irrelevant when compared to women getting fatter. a woman’s success in the dating market hinges almost entirely on her looks, thinness being a prerequisite to good looks, whereas men can compensate for their fatness with other redeeming male attractiveness traits. come on, we’ve been through this before. don’t be a troll. nobody likes a troll, especially a witless one.]

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 11:29 am Redleg

      The weight of men doesn’t matter. The numbers are still skewed due to hypergamy. All it takes is a resident population of cads, and the 8-10’s can share them, totally unaware of the composition of the male population.

      Your argument would be equally invalid if you said “yeah, it’s not like men haven’t started developing leprosy too. Yep, not at all, men are leprosy-free 24/7”

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  56. on May 1, 2012 at 9:03 am Holden Caulfield

    Its possible someone mentioned this, but I didn’t see it. If we’re working on a 2:1 ratio now due to obesity, how does the ratio change when you factor in alpha vs. beta? In other words, its not unreasonable for an alpha to be juggling 3-4 decent chicks (the alpha is not playing in the fat pool). Its possible with the alphas commandeering more than one for themselves, the betas might be working with an even more skewed 3:1 or 4:1 ratio. This skewed ratio also consists most likely of alpha throwaways and pump and dumps.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 11:58 am corvinus

      There are the 10% of men who are alphas commandeering 40% of the women (including most of the hot ones)

      Another 10% are alpha-minus with 20% of the women (with some of the hot ones)

      Another 10% are beta-plus with 10% of the women (a few get lucky and have hot ones)

      Another 20% are betas with 10% of the women — they have to share

      The other 50% are lesser betas, omegas, and dregs fighting over the worst 20% of the remaining women… fatties, fugs, warpigs, WalMart queens, etc.

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  57. on May 1, 2012 at 9:15 am enicar333

    “No need to starve, no need to be alone, no need to go without. I am here for you. No tattoos. Fluent English. Never had a kid and not an ounce of cellulite.”

    I’d rather marry a Mexican Whore than go on even ONE DATE with a fat, disgusting, short-haired, kid packing, entitled American slut.

    http://pv.es.craigslist.com.mx/cas/2982159565.html

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 9:50 am Anon

      Whoa, nice ass.

      Regardless, the words “I’d”, “marry”, “whore”, and “fat” should never be used in the same sentence.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 10:22 am Tireless

      Puerto Vallarta – You now want to live there.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 12:42 pm Lara

      I wonder what her face looks like.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 4:42 pm Anonymous

        My guess is that she’s showing us her best side…

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 7:55 pm enicar333

        You need to spend a little time on Craigslist from Mexico and see the Latin Beauties there. PLENTY OF FACES! Even Blondes. There are still white people (Spainards) in Mexico who are poor.

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  58. on May 1, 2012 at 10:44 am chris

    http://www.bakadesuyo.com/is-starbucks-the-best-place-to-meet-women

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  59. on May 1, 2012 at 11:28 am Gil

    Look at what will be average sexy women in a generation’s time (we’re almost there anyway but still):

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  60. on May 1, 2012 at 11:44 am Samuel

    this problem in the OP translates to sausage fests when we go out, and makes it tough for average joes to compete against the ideal males, further sprouting more drop-outs who’d rather stick with porn of hot chicks than to touch the skin-crawling leftovers.

    Srsly, give me hot chicks, or give me death.

    [heartiste: you have to be smart about your venues for meeting women. coffeeshops are still 2:1, sometimes 3:1, women to men. nightclubs are bad. lounges are ok. bars before 11pm are good. bars on weeknights are good, but in a different way: girls who go out on a weeknight are def looking for love. and of course, you can’t beat the street for finding a cornucopia of cooch.]

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 1:24 pm YaReally

      A woman will only look hotter and more done up on her wedding day than she does in a nightclub.

      Some of us are shallow enough for that to make it worth gaming in nightclubs instead of coffee shops lol

      To each his own. She may not look as hot on a Sunday afternoon with no makeup on but I don’t want her past that night’s hookup anyway.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 7:59 pm enicar333

        NYT’s Linda Lee reports on a shocking new procedure brides are using to shed a quick 20 pounds before the wedding.

        Women get a nasogastric tube inserted into their noses that feeds them 800 calories a day for about 10 days. Women drop the pounds quickly through ketosis, the process where the body burns fat instead of sugar.

        During the 10-day period, women complained of constipation, bad breath, and dizziness. A small price to pay, it seems, to be a size 8 instead of a 12 in a wedding dress.

        The procedure, which has been popular in the Mediterranean for a few years, costs around $1,500.

        Let us remind you that a gym membership is cheaper and less disgusting.

        Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-13/lifestyle/31335881_1_wedding-dresses-women-drop-bad-breath#ixzz1tfKihnpc

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  61. on May 1, 2012 at 11:45 am Sidewinder

    I wonder if female obesity is a stark example of the predominant weakness in the female psyche: inability to delay short-term gratification for long term overall benefit. The immediacy of “feelings” and susceptibility to social pressure seem to be often-noted weaknesses in women. Diet may be the most obvious example of this inherent weakness: this cheese puff I stuff in my face tastes good right now! Women are always “dieting” because they have no consistent day-to-day self control over their food preferences and intake. They label the exercise as something other than their day to day eating habits, which is actually turning the word “diet” into an oxymoron. Its not called “dieting” when health-conscious men do it because its just what we eat on a regular basis. It’s our diet.

    I would also wager that for both men and women, obesity is higher in the lower classes. Studies have already demonstrated that the inability to delay short term gratification is the telltale trait of the economically unsuccessful.

    I can’t help but wonder if the rise in obesity is nothing more than “Idiocracy” demographics. Charles Murray’s statistics seem to note the change in reproductive rates between the classes to have occurred around the late 70s and early 80s…that would mean that we would now be reaping what we sowed demographically. The fatass people of walmart of the 80s have gifted us with two new young adults for every one that the productive classes procreated during that same time period.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 7:57 pm Laconophile

      Good points. Women are also shortsighted when it comes to mating. They ride the cock carousal in their prime years and marry after their opportunities have plummeted, what amounts to ‘sell low, buy high.’

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 3:04 pm carolyn

      ‘I can’t help but wonder if the rise in obesity is nothing more than “Idiocracy” demographics’

      this reminds me of a study i read a couple years ago that showed marriage patterns of thin and obese women controlling for SAT score and SES. the predictable results–the obese, no matter their score tended to marry lower down than the SES of their birth. opposite for the thin ones.

      now since widespread obesity has only become the plague it is fairly recently, it may take a few more generational reshufflings of the deck for those with the inhererited tendency to that condition to fall to the bottom of the class pyramid and those w/o the vulnerability to rise towards the top. the contrast will be even starker than it is now.

      obesity will become like IQ, conscientiousness, time horizons, longevity and health, qualities where the disparity between the classes is glaring.

      ftr, i think the preference for short term rewards explains some of the poor’s obesity, but a bigger reason is the calorie bang for the buck they get with cheap carbs on a meager food budget. this may sometimes be their only choice given that so many live in urban ‘food deserts’.

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  62. on May 1, 2012 at 12:13 pm chi-town

    Money per se means little but there is something alpha about being able to calmly take out a bank roll and buy it up. Thus the 1950s provider is more alpha than the 21st century contributer.I think modern society has produced unattractive women en mass , but has also drained the financial independence and along with it the confidence of men en mass, making them also unattractive. The divisiveness of the sexes has increased markedly.

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  63. on May 1, 2012 at 12:17 pm Tireless

    Let’s not get carried away with the feminist perspective here. Men are getting just as fat as women. Wind sprinting, weight pushing paleo hunks are just statistical outliers anyway, just like the yoga toned mostly upper class grade A puss who are better looking than women before them ever were. If anything, we show up as some barely noticable wafer thin pie slice in the statistics as an expression of how men are more willing to do whatever it takes, even if it means eating right and working out, to get laid in a quality manner. Hell kids are the fattest, worst looking demographic. And yes I know, women go more for the personality, money and game trumps looks, male fatties can be physically strong and masculine and women are still just fatties no matter what, but still… Men, (practically) just as fat. Kids even fatter.

    The main problem is, most people never had much willpower. Most people do whatever they need to do because they’re told what to do, they stuff whatever is easily available in their mouth and then rationalize away any unwanted results. The difference is now sugar filled and over sized meals are available for a pittance, and most people don’t usually think twice about just eating whatever is in front of them regardless of the consequences. When you look at sexy asian girls for example, the main reason they’re sexy is they simply don’t have enough calories to get fat. It’s that simple.

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  64. on May 1, 2012 at 12:21 pm New Beta

    Women are no better nowadays than they were in the 50’s, the only difference they don’t need to pretend they like beta male anymore – even thick ones can make enough money in HR, marketing or anything else that requires professional ass kissing, paper pushing and talking to phone. I can also state that only “poor” women nowadays give a change to financially secure beta men who have zero social status and alpha presence (muscle), the rest just jump onto alpha cock directly without cheating anyone.

    Watch any sensible movie and read a novel published in or before the 50’s and you will see that alpha behaviour always wins over beta. I’m not an avid reader, however I can recall almost any book I have read in the past included a women cheating her beta husband with a charming alpha male (see novels by Thomas Mann, Hermann Hesse, Sartre).

    So for beta males like me, I think there is no need to look at the past. Women may be more explicit sluts, but some beta males also have become smarter (thanks to PUA/Male blogs like this and many others). Be smart with your finances, have a hobby or two, try to enjoy life without women, alpha-up as much as you can and don’t think about clinging to women or marrying. The kid you would have with her is probably not yours anyway.

    Women from EE are no solution either, they just have a preference for “rich” foreigners and everybody here (both women and men) admits that. Sadly, Western men naively believe women are more feminine just because they are more receptive to them. Since practically everyone from the West is considered rich and has some “potential”, most sex tourists get laid easily and some of them even marry.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 1:00 pm Lara

      This is a weak attitude. You are giving up one of the greatest pleasures in life.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 8:00 pm Laconophile

      Woman nature may not have been any different in the ’50s but at least there was a thick coating of varnish on it.

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  65. on May 1, 2012 at 12:37 pm Joe Sixpack

    I know Heartiste has talked about the importance of sex ratio in determining behaviors of men and women.

    Looking at a sex ratio map clearly shows that where there is an abundance of women, the women compete for the attention of eligible males. They are thinner and more feminine as the men have many women from which to choose.

    SEX RATIO MAP: http://chartsbin.com/view/2338

    (notice the female surplus in the Eastern Europe and Russian areas)

    Consider for a minute a village with 100 women and 99 men. That’s only a 100:99 ratio.

    Every man has a girl, except one girl is left out. So, in order to make herself more attractive, she drops 20 lbs, throws away the frumpy clothes and starts wearing skirts, high heels, etc. and acts more feminine overall.

    Shortly thereafter, of the men begins to take notice of her transformation and dumps his girl for her. The transformed girl has now been rewarded for being more feminine, more what the men are looking for.

    The dumped girl is bitter and decides to step up her game even more. She drops weight, dresses sexier, acts feminine AND looks to cook. Another man in the tribe sees the new improved girl and dumps his current girl for her. Who, in turns, begins to see a pattern forming and sees what she is up against. She must really raise her own femininity to compete for men.

    And, like an unpaired electron, a free radical searching frantically for its pair, each dumped woman decides to make herself more and more attractive until the entire tribe of women is not only more beautiful, more feminine, more in tune with male desires, but they are all in a state of constant competition for men.

    This is a healthy society. And it involves a statistically almost-even 100:99 sex ratio. And even in such an evenly matched ratio society, the competition for men becomes fierce.

    Now… imagine the current state of the US.

    The situation is totally flipflopped in sex ratio and it is a severe ratio at that.

    We have 30% of women overweight, leaving the sex ratio around 70:100. Very high-quality, good looking men are being overlooked by women whose whims lead them into the arms of different suitors as their whims carry them.

    They feel no need to better themselves as men will continue to compete for them and they will avail themselves to the best bidder.

    Consider the urgency with which the women in the village scrambled to better themselves with a tiny 100:99 ratio against them. Now consider men living in a 70:100 society (and this doesn’t even take into account the alpha leftovers, the drug addicted, the unintelligent or bitchy girls) and this explains much of the situation at hand.

    An example I can relate to this which ties into the sex ratio is a conversation I had with a friend of mine. He is from Iran, has money, is in his 40s and travels quite a bit.

    He was at some yoga seminar in San Fransisco and met a drop-dead gorgeous 24 year old from Ukraine. She expressed quite a bit of interest in him, wanting to meet up later, keep in touch, etc.

    This guy doesn’t have game and was amazed at this situation. He told me he asked another woman he knows, also Ukranian, “why would a 24 year old beautiful girl be interested in me, a mid-40s man?”

    The woman told him that in the Ukraine, there is so much competition among women for men that a woman who is not married by 24 is considered old. The hot 18 and 19 year olds coming up behind her offer so much compeitition that girls in their early-mid 20s are willing to do anything to get married. This came from one Ukranian woman talking about other Ukranian girls.

    Looking at the sex ratio map explains this as well. The most beautiful women in the world are said to come from Belarus or Ukraine, where average, schlubby, pack a day smoker, blue collar men often end up with model quality young girls competing for him.

    Compare that to places here in the States such as San Diego (where I live), nicknamed “Man Diego” due to the sex ratio. Or “Man Jose” where girls who are 5s and 6s live our their prom queen bitch fantasies, as worker drone betas drool over them as their sip their Cosmos at Happy Hour.

    Do women not realize that in the modern era, it is relatively cheap and easy to hire a women to clean the house ($100/week)?

    That a man can hire a woman to massage him for $30-$40/hour (at least in San Diego) (I’m talking therapeutic massage, stress relief)

    A man can hire someone to mow his lawn and take care of the yard for $10/hour?

    And as far as cooking goes, eating out healthily is even relatively cheap, as is throwing an organic chicked and some veggies in a crock pot for a week’s worth of dinners?

    You can buy all of these things. But a woman cannot buy love, dedication, affection or resource-sharing from men.

    So why, why I ask, do women seem to think they have the power? Is sex wha they really want, or is it love? Because men hold the love power key. Why is it that so many women are willing to throw away their shot at love, for some meaningless sex?

    I really think we have an entire generation of women who are about to really experience a wakeup call of epic, thermonuclear proportions.

    Will we experience a Ukraine style society? Where “woken-up” women in their 30s, straighten themselves out and begin to fiercely compete with the 19 and 20 year olds? Where 40 year old divorcees with yoga bodies compete with hot college co-eds for the same men?

    A situation where we have hundreds of millions of single women actively seeking out and aggressively pursuing a dwindling number of interested men who would rather drink beer and play PS3 (like their fat, smoking counterparts in the Ukraine)?

    These are interesting times in which we live.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 5:26 pm corvinus

      Unfortunately, young white women continue to chub up. Older women are slimming down, but they’re past their sell-by date anyway so it won’t help us much.

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  66. on May 1, 2012 at 12:40 pm Green Tea

    I’m a man who is 5’11 and weigh about 140lbs. I would say the average woman here in Texas has about 25 lbs on me, despite being about 6 inches shorter. I’ve recently started to really look at what the average person looks like in places like grocery stores and I am really shocked at what I’m seeing. I don’t know how America has degenerated into this so fast. I’m really starting to feel that trying to meet attractive women here is a rigged game where the odds are totally stacked against me.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 8:57 pm Andrea

      Sure, women are fatter, but part of the problem is that you are ridiculously light.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 9:05 pm Anon

      You need to bulk up man.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 11:37 pm Spiralina

      Dude…I am a female, 2 inches shorter than you, and weigh nearly as much. And I’m not fat. That’s sad.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 11:59 pm corvinus

      Beanpole. Go lift some weights.

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  67. on May 1, 2012 at 1:07 pm gunslingergregi

    Since practically everyone from the West is considered rich and has some “potential”, most sex tourists get laid easily ””””””””

    like the dude that said apocalypse opener worked 3 out of 23 whats the problem getting laid for the win

    you guys way overcomplicating this shit

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  68. on May 1, 2012 at 1:08 pm Other

    Get out of the suburbs. Most of the chicks I see in the major cities are hot. Then move to the suburbs to have thin kids! Don’t let the fatties be the only ones to breed!

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  69. on May 1, 2012 at 1:09 pm carolyn

    ‘And yet, 70+% of women (if we include the merely overweight along with the obese) can’t seem to muster the willpower to do that bare minimum to appease men’s desires’

    sigh…..why do i suspect a 400 comment thread of relentless fat-bashing is coming on…

    heartiste, why does a guy like you who believes that so much of who we are is determined by our genes give short shrift to them when it comes to obesity?

    [heartiste: because there hasn’t been enough time for genes to change enough to cause the massive (heh) increase in obesity seen in this country in the last 50 years. this is almost entirely an environmental phenomenon.]

    or more accurately, the genetic expression of an underlying tendency to obesity in a toxic food environment?

    [but that genetic expression of an underlying tendency has been with humanity for eons. far longer than since 1960, at any rate. now it may be the case that high glycemic carbs interact with ancient genetic coding which leads to obesity, but the ultimate cause under that scenario remains the environment.]

    the iconic behemoth shopping at wal-mart that you always use as an example would have been at worst a couple pounds overweight if she were magically transported back 200 years. her slenderness would not of course be a question of willpower but one of availability–a lack of 20 oz cokes and white refined flour, for instance.

    [at some point during the fattening up process, a person of normal intelligence would look in the mirror and say to herself “i need to eat less, and eat differently than how i eat right now”. she would then do the minimum basic research required (see a doctor for instance, or read something on the web, or at least get the fuck up off the couch and walk around the block) and fix her problem. but tens of millions of women (and men) don’t do this. either they are borderline retarded, or they don’t give a shit.]

    the wal-mart behemoth may have been woefully misinformed by those stalwarts at the fda, telling her to avoid calories in the form of fat rather than carbs. who knows? maybe she’s tried and failed at so many low-fat diets she’s given up rather than having been indifferent to her weight from the get go as you accuse her of being.

    [why would she try so many low-fat diets when she can easily see that the first couple of attempts resulted in failure? wouldn’t a normal, mentally sane person tell herself that it’s time to try a different type of diet?]

    i’m not saying she bears no blame. i’m saying there’s plenty of blame to go around.

    here’s a discussion about genes and obesity. the rest of the site is pretty good too–

    http://waroninsulin.com/nutrition/gravity-and-insulin-the-dynamic-duo

    [humans likely do have a genetic inclination to pack on pounds when empty carbs constitute the bulk of their diet. but this fact doesn’t excuse the laziness — both physical and mental — of the millions who can’t be bothered to find out what works and follow it.]

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 9:53 am carolyn

      ‘this is almost entirely an environmental phenomenon’

      well, yes and no.

      Our environment, food and otherwise, has no precedent in history. we are embarked on a massive natural experiment. some of us are more vulnerable genetically than others to its bad effects, the relative difficulty of keeping obesity at bay being one of them.

      then there are the wild cards, some of which we probably don’t even suspect at this time. recently, small amounts of Bpa have been shown to make lab mice overweight. the idea seems preposterous, but it may just be true. and all the hormones used to fatten cattle– do they also fatten us?

      sometimes i wonder if you’re just cynically whipping up outrage periodically in your minions to keep them coming back for more, or you honestly believe shaming and finger-pointing are effective.

      think occam’s razor. 200 years ago there were few obese people. now there are many. what changed? was it human nature?

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 6:47 pm Stingray

      [why would she try so many low-fat diets when she can easily see that the first couple of attempts resulted in failure? wouldn’t a normal, mentally sane person tell herself that it’s time to try a different type of diet?]

      Please. You know enough about women to answer this question yourself. Low fat diets do work . . . at first. Weight Watchers would not be the behemoth it is if it didn’t. What they don’t tell you is that about 33% of the weight that is lost is muscle. Then when one goes back to a regular diet they pack the weight right back on again and find it harder to lose the second time as their metabolism is slower. If they went to the doctor he would tell them to simply try harder. Even a “normal, mentally sane” woman (heh) would find it hard to realize that it is time to try a different diet when she knows the low fat one will work, but doesn’t understand why it is so terribly difficult to maintain and why one is so frackin’ hungry the whole time.

      When nearly the whole world will tell you how you are putting yourself in terrible danger going the LCHF route, normal and mentally sane does not always win out. Add into that the herd mentality of women and it is that much harder. Logic says why low carb works and the science backs it up. The herd is going low fat and high carb. Which is the woman going to choose?

      On every other thing you posted to carolyn, I agree with you completely, but your questions were questions aimed at men, not women.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 11:02 pm carolyn

        ‘Add into that the herd mentality of women and it is that much harder.’

        hold on, cowboy.

        i doubt that men are any less dazzled by the conventional low-fat wisdom than women are. we are all being lied to, no doubt about it.

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 8:19 am Stingray

        I don’t deny that. However, who is more likely to sit down at their computer and do further research regarding effective diets on their own? Men or women (as a whole. mind you)? Who is more likely to simply pay the cash to see a dietician who is going to tell them low fat, high carb and you simply need more will power? Men or women (again, as a whole)? That is my only point.

        You and I are on the same page regarding diet, carolyn. Only women are less likely than men to sit and do extensive research on the subject to figure out what is going wrong. Women are more likely to go to sources that are simply going to reinforce what they are already doing wrong and the source will simply tell them to try harder.

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 10:44 am carolyn

        maybe you’re right. obviously, women are more driven to stay thin, but perhaps in the face of failure they would more likely blame themselves rather than look for a model that works. i myself heard of atkins years ago but only gave it a try last may, with some success. the spell of the USDA prescription took a long time to shake. LCHF seemed counter-intuitive, even dangerous.

        it could also be, come to think of it, that men trying to build muscle at the gym get advice there on how to do so, including how to avoid losing muscle mass while dieting. which of course tends to be low-carb. and women just aren’t hearing it since they have different goals.

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  70. on May 1, 2012 at 1:14 pm gunslingergregi

    She blew me in the parking lot swallowed and it was great but i think she might of had some sort of alterior motive or something “tear”

    lol wtf

    who cares what her motive you got your rocks off fuck it
    but yea ok i got my long term woman still waiting on me so i guess i really don’t give a fuck about the others

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  71. on May 1, 2012 at 1:50 pm Ollie

    I keep seeing betas with women, who though considerably shorter than their boyfriends/husbands, outweigh them by a considerable margin.
    I see this, and I see the desperation in these mens’ eyes.

    The only solace I can take is knowing that the promoters of fat-positive fembotism (I’m looking at you, Shakesville) will inevitably reap the rewards of their lifestyles. Their cholesterol laden tickers cannot fail quickly enough.

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  72. on May 1, 2012 at 6:12 pm Kotakoti

    Women don have it any better than men

    There is a huge shortage of cute guys in my highschool there are like 100 hot girls and only like 1 cute guy. I see like a cute guy liek once a month most guys are ugly, there will always be more hot girls than cute guys.

    Also women don’t like muscles,

    This is my ideal guy, and he doesn’t have many muscles

    [heartiste: this comment provides a bracing insight into the utterly solipsistic and hypergamous mind of the typical female, for whom, as you can see here, the mass of undesirable beta males simply doesn’t exist in her universe. thus, she thinks men have it better than women, because all she can see is that “one cute guy” surrounded by throngs of admiring girls, while totally ignoring all the other men who get no attention from those same girls.
    fascinating!]

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 8:21 pm Laconophile

      She passed hypergamy and went straight to ubergamy.

      I guess in that respect men do have it better. Men can always be attracted to any good looking woman whereas women’s standards have exploded to astronomic proportions thanks to mass media. Imagine if seeing a 10 made all 7s unattractive, that’s sort of what happens to women.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 12:35 pm chi-town

        Within a given sphere women want the best. 10 small spheres means 10 men. Now that its a small world..ubergamy.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 9:48 am King A (Matthew King)

      Wonderful example from Kotakoti. One of the better indications of how adorably clueless young women are, and yet more testimonial proof that the theories on this site are deadly accurate.

      The male model is soft and female, save for just enough masculine characteristic to indicate just enough sexual difference to avoid the discomfiture of same-sex attraction. The image of the “perfect” man will be non-threatening whenever a female brain attempts to consciously conjure him. If that were the end of the story, mankind would be in sorry shape.

      I agree with the pip-squeak: most men are ugly indeed. There is simply no comparison between male and female comeliness. I’m a dude, but I believe this to be an objective standard. Even women agree the female form and face is more beautiful.

      With that said, can we now acknowledge that attraction is about more than beauty? This is a misconception Kotakoti has in common with Heartiste. They both think physical beauty in the opposite sex almost totally comprises attractiveness, when in truth raw-physical characteristics make up only slightly more than half of magnetism in either sex (if a greater proportion in women, of course). What the exact percentages are doesn’t matter. It is, however, a little over 50% and far less than 97%.

      I’d love to meet this girl and introduce her to some facts of life. Fish in a barrel.

      Could you imagine if young women suddenly became conscious of the true sexual dynamic? How much harder life would be. How much more sexually boring. No worries: it is not physiologically possible — nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be — for women to transcend this limitation of the eternal, essential feminine. Their sexual urge has unalterably programmed the host body to fling itself at the most potent manliness available, even at the expense of their well-being, even in contradiction to their beliefs, and especially when they are outwardly repulsed by the man (“I just don’t know why I keep going back to my abuser!”). Such sweet tension sparks all the great romances and kindles the default female fantasy.

      This insuperable limitation of women is why men — fathers with shotguns, codes of chastity — have had to act in their behalf since the beginning of civilization. As usual, if you want to get a job done, ask a man.

      Don’t you ever change, babydoll! We love you for your naïveté, not despite it.

      Matt

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 11:16 am Col Nicholson

      Something fishy here. This “Kota Koti” chick was profiled in the
      Daily Mail and picked up by Drudge back in March. Some kind
      of pro model / web phenom of the moment.

      Notice spelling errors, etc. I doubt she’s posting on CH.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2122177/Meet-real-life-Barbies-Internet-craze-sees-teenagers-turn-freakish-living-dolls.html

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 1:33 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Of course it’s not Dakota Rose. It’s just someone’s handle.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 2:17 pm Col Nicholson

        Ya think?

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 2:28 pm Firepower

        no way some model-type girl is going to even read heartste let alone post here
        but i DO wonder if she’s legal – even in japan.
        boobs that big cant be on a 13 year old.-=========

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 1:40 pm J.

        So you think that the girl who posted as Kotakoti is the same model featured in the Daily Mail? That isn’t true. Like most hypergamous girls, “Kotakoti” vastly overestimates her SMV, as illustrated by the fact that she is impersonating a super model.

        Part of me suspects that she is a troll, but another part of me suspects that she is being serious. Female hypergamy is so utterly ridiculous that it becomes difficult to differentiate between who is delusional and who is faking delusion. Howoever, based on my high school experiences, I can say with certaintly that she is being serious. I very much remember all the girls at my high school complaining about how “all men cheat” and how “no good men exist,” even though I was right next to them when they were saying these things. Fortunately for me I came across this blog about a year and a half ago, and it’s helped me in countless ways in changing my mindset about women and navigating the world of game with finesse.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 2:27 pm Firepower

        no way some model-type girl is going to even read heartiste let alone post here
        but i DO wonder if she’s legal – even in japan.
        boobs that big cant be on a 13 year old.-=========

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 2:33 pm Col Nicholson

        No, I didn’t think for a moment it was the same girl. Obviously
        not. What struck me was that she(he?) actually linked to the
        site of someone with the SMV required to attract the male model
        in the posted video. In other words, the delusional aspect you
        described in your second paragraph.

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 9:15 am Firepower

        I also caught that.
        When your enemy is drowning
        Throw them a brick

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 12:39 pm chi-town

      Indeed. Garbage collector gender ratios unfavorable to women not making news yet.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 2:23 pm Stingray

      Holy crap. He looks like a woman. They dress his like a woman.

      WTF?

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 8:00 pm King A (Matthew King)

      [Random posts being sucked into WordPress oblivion. Take two.]

      Wonderful example from Kotakoti. One of the better indications of how adorably clueless young women are, and yet more testimonial proof that the theories on this site are deadly accurate.

      The male model is soft and female, save for just enough masculine characteristic to indicate just enough sexual difference to avoid the discomfiture of same-sex attraction. The image of the “perfect” man will be non-threatening whenever a female brain attempts to consciously conjure him. If that were the end of the story, mankind would be in sorry shape.

      I agree with the pip-squeak: most men are ugly indeed. There is simply no comparison between male and female comeliness. I’m a dude, but I believe this to be an objective standard. Even women agree the female form and face is more beautiful.

      With that said, can we now acknowledge that attraction is about more than beauty? This is a misconception Kotakoti has in common with Heartiste. They both think physical beauty in the opposite sex almost totally comprises attractiveness, when in truth raw-physical characteristics make up only slightly more than half of magnetism in either sex (if a greater proportion in women, of course). What the exact percentages are doesn’t matter. It is, however, a little over 50% and far less than 97%.

      I’d love to meet this girl and introduce her to some facts of life. Fish in a barrel.

      Could you imagine if young women suddenly became conscious of the true sexual dynamic? How much harder life would be. How much more sexually boring. No worries: it is not physiologically possible — nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be — for women to transcend this limitation of the eternal, essential feminine. Their sexual urge has unalterably programmed the host body to fling itself at the most potent manliness available, even at the expense of their well-being, even in contradiction to their beliefs, and especially when they are outwardly repulsed by the man (“I just don’t know why I keep going back to my abuser!”). Such sweet tension sparks all the great romances and kindles the default female fantasy.

      This insuperable limitation of women is why men — fathers with shotguns, codes of chastity — have had to act in their behalf since the beginning of civilization. As usual, if you want to get a job done, ask a man.

      Don’t you ever change, babydoll! We love you for your naïveté, not despite it.

      Matt

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  73. on May 1, 2012 at 7:08 pm Bigfoot

    It sucks how much the ratio of attractive men to women has dropped.

    The number of alpha males stay the same.

    Razor sharp game is required in places like Toronto.

    However the great thing is if you can put in 5-6 months of going out for night game 5-6 times a week you’ll build up a rotation if you are decent to good looking. But the effort is insane compared to other cities. In the end its worth it.

    The best place for guys are still college campuses. Good solid ratios and you’re in constant contact with girls. Very easy to meet girls there.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 9:01 pm Andrea

      Depends on the college. There tend to be a lot of fatties at some of the southern schools. But there are some pretty fit chicks at some of the urban East Coast schools…and they tend to dress up more too.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 11:24 pm Bobby C

        I go to a huge University in the Midwest. There are very few female fatties, and most of the guys are omega nerds or very sheepish dorks.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 7:14 pm Firepower

      Bigfoot

      Razor sharp game is required in places like Toronto,,,the effort is insane compared to other cities. In the end its worth it.

      The best place for guys are still college campuses

      Um, that limits you to FOUR years – AND you still must do this little thing called homework, to get those things called “grades.”

      Let’s not turn THIS place into a sorry repeat of PuaBoyz Gone Wild!®
      like at the old MMF…

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 9:16 am Firepower

        Bueller?

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  74. on May 1, 2012 at 11:21 pm Bobby C

    This almost makes me want to talk about my fat wife here. Almost. I guess the thing that bothers me most about the fat chicks is how they expect to be treated the same or better than slender hot chicks. I’ve changed a lot over the last 5-10 years, but I used to pretty much accept the “love” of fat chicks in exchange for some benefits I enjoyed as well I what I thought would be a less stressful time than dealing with high maintenance hotties. I wasn’t interested in being a player/high-end pussy slayer and just didn’t mind focusing my energies elsewhere.

    But the thing is, the fatties are just as entitled and just as much trouble. They have the impossible and contradictory list of requirements in men and are deluded into believing they can “have it all” without putting forth any effort or taking any responsibility themselves. They expect to be worshiped sexually and every other way, when really they should be happy that some good men were lazy enough to settle for them.

    Aim high, gentlemen. Aim high. There is NO benefit to settling for fatties at all, and it only validates and encourages them.

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 9:27 am Firepower

      I guess the thing that bothers me most about the fat chicks is how they expect to be treated the same or better than slender hot chicks.

      It’s purely a msm fabrication. That’s not to say, it’s a weak fabrication. SassyFat Girls Livin’ Large is now a cultural norm.

      A value.

      For your own sanity, it’s best not to Go Full pua and dwell on media sites (even internetz) aimed at your average teen. Which, today, includes males up to 40.

      Just don’t be a pussy. Don’t let your wife walk all over you. If you get divorced, then go Full Pua. Until then, she’s likely to respond to your non-shit-taking attitude, making pickup a moot point.

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  75. on May 2, 2012 at 1:53 am Andrew Hazlett

    Life’s a bitch, and then you die. You’re entitled to have higher standards than having a fat wife, but you’re also entitled to date fatties if you’d love to settle for the chub. Grow some balls next time you see her and talk to her, it’s the best start towards not having that fat wife. And maybe even play it cool, like you love being with the pretty girls. You’ll be ahead of most just for making the effort.

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  76. on May 2, 2012 at 4:00 am Amanda

    Men have become fatter too. The entire country is much fatter than it was 50-60 years ago. I’m sorry if you’re a beta male and unable to compete with other men for attractive women, but how is this society (or women’s) problem? You act as though all men deserve a thin, attractive women. They don’t, especially if they are ugly slobs themselves. Men, if you want an attractive woman make yourself more attractive rather than complaining about it. Why do any of the fat slobs I see walking again get to demand a woman who meets their “fuckability” threshold? They should be grateful to any woman who wants to sleep with them. LOL thank you for a laugh today.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 2:53 pm itsme

      so what’s your bmi?

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  77. on May 2, 2012 at 4:07 am gunslingergregi

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/men-the-gender-wars-are-over-—-we-won/

    posted on rhoosh pretty good lol

    yea amanda every man can fuck a nice looking chick no attractivness needed oh what a wonderfull world
    oh what a wonderfull wooorrllllddddd

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 9:06 pm Dan Fletcher

      I saw that too. Great fucking article.

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  78. on May 2, 2012 at 4:08 am gunslingergregi

    I see ho’s by two
    and hos by three
    and i think to myself what a wonderfull world

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  79. on May 2, 2012 at 4:10 am gunslingergregi

    i have no teeth lol well ok except for some on bottom still and can still fuck hot chicks hahaahahaha

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  80. on May 2, 2012 at 5:33 am gunslingergregi

    ya know men are winning when ya can go to north dakota and make 200k a year

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  81. on May 2, 2012 at 1:31 pm Michael

    How obesity happens for 95% of people: excess sugar -> excess insulin -> insulin resistance -> hyperinsulinemia -> obesity -> hungry & tired all the time -> doctors telling you to eat less and exercise more after they give you a statins prescription (the #1 cash cow of the pharmaceutical industry)

    Watch that video:

    That line about “it’s not because you want to [eat more and exercise less], it’s because you have to” is gold. For most people: biological mechanisms > individual willpower.

    What fat people need is to stop listening to their doctors and the government and eat a low carb high fat diet.

    PS
    and this being a ‘pick-up’ blog I can see how this can get you some attention. I.e. drinking 35% whipping cream near women in an office who eat low-fat because they want to stay thin will get conversations started.

    -Yeah, it’s called LCHF, low carb high fat. It’s very big in Sweden. They’re becoming the thinnest nation in Europe.

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  82. on May 2, 2012 at 2:25 pm Firepower

    kotakot
    I see like a cute guy liek once a month most guys are ugly, there will always be more hot girls than cute guys.

    thats because YOU are IN japan an theres only like ONE decent japnese dude-in the entire country

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  83. on May 2, 2012 at 11:34 pm sdgsgeger

    Heartiste wrote: “Many millennial beta males, faced with these miserable odds, drop out and plug into video games and porn.”

    In many developed Western countries, prostitution is legal, and such “drop outs” thus have the option of taking their pick (literally; from a line-up of women) of young thin attractive women(or any other form of woman.)

    There is a menu of sexual services, acts and fetishes available, all at a fraction of the time, effort and cost associated with most “conventional” routes to sex(dating, clubbing, alcohol, dinner, fancy clothing etc etc.) Anal, schoolgirl costumes, threesomes, asians etc etc.

    Of course, if your self-worth craves the validation that you find in approval by women, then this route may not satisfy you.

    [heartiste: *rolls eyes* yes, the exquisite pleasure of sex and love with a beautiful woman is nothing more than ego assuaging validation. has it ever occurred to you that the pleasure is its own reward?]

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