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A Devious Reply To “I Have A Boyfriend”

May 1, 2012 by CH

A reader got the “IHAB” line from a girl he previously showered with tender intimacy, and he’s wondering how to respond.

Say you’re texting a girl you’ve recently raw-dogged hard, twice, when in the middle of trying to set up something for later she texts something along the lines of, “That’s good cuz I don’t romance nobody, [sic] for real tho I have a boyfriend, what happened Sunday will never happen again,” (yes she is white, ungh). [ed: we’re doomed]

It’s not that I am really into this particular slore, it’s just that the line sounds so cliche I feel like I need in-pocket responses to it. I don’t have any girl-with-a-guy game.

My gut instinct is to just send “lol” or “cool.” Or “Yeah I know, I’m not going to that bar again,” “I feel ya, I tried to cum in your mouth but I slipped,” or “I hope not, your 5 o’clock pussy shadow hurts, my dick feels like I tried to fuck an angry cat.”

I don’t like any of those replies, although “lol” and “cool” could be used in a pinch as a substitute for something better, and of those two, “lol” is preferred. (“cool” radiates a hint of strained butthurtyness.) And any reply longer than three words is TRY HARD BETAMAX. Unless you’re really witty. (The “not going to that bar again” line isn’t half bad, actually. Still, it’s best to err on the side of terseness.)

I can’t tell whether this girl really has a BF, or if she’s lying and it’s just a garden variety shit test. Regardless, her escapades with you — escapades, mind you, that likely would have gotten her pregnant in the environment of evolutionary adaptation, before the Pill existed! — have probably triggered her anti-slut defense, and she is drawing back into the comforting fold of her blissfully ignorant boyfriend’s real or invisible arms.

The best text reply, in my bombastic opinion, is this:

“right”

Her hamster will frig the fuck out wondering if you were being sincere or sarcastic. Either way, you win. Don’t forget: no punctuation! She doesn’t deserve your attention to syntax. And skip out on the follow-up. This sounds like a case where she will have to find her way back to you.

(There used to be a guy who commented here who would reply to flaky cancellations or IHAB texts from girls with a simple “gay”. I always thought that was a great alpha response. Another masterfully aloof reply that assumes the sale is “gay. next time you’re buying drinks.”)

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  1. on May 1, 2012 at 1:08 pm dlsap@hotmail.com

    Still like “totally” better, though both have the same effect, of making her wonder is he agreeing or making fun or me. Gold.

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    • on May 3, 2012 at 3:03 am Anonymous

      Be down, paraphrase Snoop Dogg: “Pfft [or disdainful emoticon]. You don’t love him. You love my doggiestyle.”

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 3:03 am Anonymous

        Then: Bring da movies.

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  2. on May 1, 2012 at 1:19 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

    “That’s good cuz I don’t romance nobody, [sic] for real tho I have a boyfriend, what happened Sunday will never happen again,”

    GBFM: not in my butthole it won’t lzozozozlzlzloz

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  3. on May 1, 2012 at 1:20 pm pliw

    i used “gay” once when she was “sick and didn’t want to get me sick”

    she said sorry (i didn’t reply) she texted me the next day to hangout (ie: fuck)

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 1:37 pm Lara

      You assumed she was making it up and that’s a beta attitude. You should have just replied, “Hope you feel better.”

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 2:03 pm pliw

        it’s a tough spot. you’re chump if you believe her obviously fake excuse and you’re a beta if you don’t believe it?

        having gotten no where with the ‘hope you feel better’ response a dozen times, i like “gay” a lot.

        “weak”, “lame” or no reply might be better than “gay.” “hope you feel better” is the clear loser.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 3:01 pm Lara

        I don’t think you should believe her excuse, only sort of pretend to. I’ve never been too sick to go out with someone I really liked. I wouldn’t ask her out again, although if she pursues you that’s different.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 10:05 am Redleg

        I’d reply “uh huh … feel better”

        She can take that as agreement and a goodwill gesture (though aloof and without capitalization), or disbelief and sarcasm.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 2:22 pm itsme

        yet she banged him the next day…

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 2:30 pm Firepower

        gay

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 2:37 pm YaReally

        Please quit giving advice until you grow a penis.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 8:24 am Ben

        Hear hear. Though you’re a fool regardless if you follow a woman’s advice on women.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 2:51 pm Lara

        Maybe I’m wrong. It just seems more alpha to assume a girl would never cancel on you because she didn’t want to be with you.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 9:37 pm YaReally

        Maybe I’m wrong but it just seems like rocket science should work THIS way guys!! I read a book I don’t fully understand once and I reeeeeeaaaally want to be a rocket scientist so can’t we just ignore how it works so I can be right??? Please??

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 8:25 am Ben

        Luckily we have affirmative action and reserved university places. Phew, where would we be?

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 12:48 am Greg Eliot

        Maybe I’m wrong.

        Woman, you ain’t been right yet.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 12:43 am jhaysin

        Nope. Lie or not, girls are not attracted to your hopes or feelings.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 3:23 pm MichaelC

      I would just say “Call me when you feel like hanging out”, and have that be the last communication until she asks me to come over.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 4:24 pm Flom-flom-flooie

        I did that with my current girlfriend. We met through an online dating site. (I won’t give the name, but it rhymes with “snatch.com”). We were supposed to meet on a Friday evening in the summer a couple of years ago. (That violated my own policy of meeting for a first time on a Friday or Saturday.) She texted me and said that she was feeling awful and unfortunately had to cancel. She knew I’d be skeptical, and I was. I thought: having had this happen w/ other chicks, she’s likely (1) going out with girlfriends, and/or (2) meeting someone else out. But I also know that shit sometimes happens — and I didn’t want to appear like an over-emotional hysterical beta-boy — so I simply said: “Hope you feel better. Call me when you want to hang out.” She kept texting me the entire night, in an attempt to assure me that she was home alone on the sofa and also hinting at what her ailment was.

        She knew that I was reasonably skeptical about her flake-out. She also knew that I squarely put the ball in her court (and therefore wasn’t going to initiate contact with her again), if she ever wanted to meet. She’s brought-up this particular communication a number of times in the last two years. In her mind, she thought it showed: (1) reasonable skepticism (i.e., she’s not going to pull any shit over on me), (2) emotional stability (i.e., didn’t over- or under-react), and (3) that I was prepared to walk-away (and pursue other options).

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 5:14 pm Lara

        This is exactly what I was getting at. Your reasons for why your girlfriend liked your reaction are spot on.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 5:01 pm doug1111

        Good move but too wordy.

        “Feel better. Text me when you’re ready.

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  4. on May 1, 2012 at 1:22 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

    “That’s good cuz I don’t romance nobody, [sic] for real tho I have a boyfriend, what happened Sunday will never happen again,”

    GBFM: yah but my cockas don’t underststand could you explain it straight to my cockas say at 11 PM? lzozlzoz

    GBFM: dat is aweosmeu have a boyfirend to buy you da meals i was kinda worried dat i was gonna haveta pay for it cuz i don’t romance nobody neitheriri lzozozoz

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  5. on May 1, 2012 at 1:24 pm DW

    how about “meh”

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  6. on May 1, 2012 at 1:25 pm wrangler

    Alternate response: “so”

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  7. on May 1, 2012 at 1:27 pm J-style

    “gay. next time you’re buying drinks.”

    Except, without the apostrophe in “you’re” — shows too much attention to detail.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 2:29 am el_chief

      original: “gay. you’re buying if we meet up again”

      https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/a-test-of-your-game-the-judging-2/

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 8:29 am Ben

      don’t know about that. The apostrophe there shows that you’re educated–intimidating. Same reason why I use big words around women who I know have no idea what they mean (the factual content of a man’s conversation isn’t too important to the emotional sex regardless.)

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      • on May 5, 2012 at 2:47 pm bewareofscripts

        An apostrophe shows nothing. It’s invisible. But if you miss it out you look like a retard, especially since your phone probably inserts it automatically

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  8. on May 1, 2012 at 1:28 pm moses

    A great response is “I believe you”.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 12:06 am Hung

      HAHA ….that is an awesome response. I’ll have to work “i believe you” into my arsenal.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 8:30 am Ben

        That is good. Assumes that they are desperately trying to sell you the line to hang on to you. “I believe you. it’s ok.”

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  9. on May 1, 2012 at 1:32 pm Firepower

    AFTER you’ve had her (twice, even)
    The IHAB is of NO importance.

    New shirt – then hit the club

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  10. on May 1, 2012 at 1:34 pm collapseofman

    OT: All occupiers categorically beta? http://bit.ly/JbSyrs

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 8:31 am Ben

      “Does the fact that she’s a Tory put you off having sex with her?
      Slightly, but she’s powerful, she’s got that domineering thing going on.

      So would you let her dominate you?
      I would let her dominate me, yes.”

      The leftist ideology is based on this sexual pathology (see fagcoult.)

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  11. on May 1, 2012 at 1:35 pm itsme

    right
    sure
    gay
    8=====> ~~~~ (.)(.)

    or simply ignore

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  12. on May 1, 2012 at 1:35 pm theidiotson

    is no-reply-at all not an option?

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 2:23 pm itsme

      it’s pretty much always an option. when in doubt, say nothing. you’ve more to lose by saying the wrong thing than by saying nothing.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 9:28 am Stingray

      It can be the very best option. Not getting a reply will often set the hamster a-spinning faster than anything else. She will wonder:

      “Did he not get my text for some reason?”
      “What is he doing that he didn’t reply”
      “Crap, did he not get my text?”
      “What an asshole!”
      “I wonder if he is ok?”
      “Did he get my text?”
      “What is going on with him?”
      “Did I piss him off?”
      “Oh NO! He didn’t get my text!”

      Ok, I realize how annoying that is so I will stop. Just know that what I typed above is but a fraction of what actually goes on in the mind. No response can be extremely powerful.

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  13. on May 1, 2012 at 1:38 pm hiphopanonamous

    “right” is a great one. Works as a neg too, like a subtle way of placing doubt in her to snag a dude that isn’t a herb-ass loser.

    In somewhat related news, a commenter on here a few weeks ago responded to IHAB in a bar with “pfftt…no you don’t.” Resulting in the girl dropping her head and admitting..”yea, i know.” Full on submission.

    I decided to try this because I hadn’t ever thought of blowing a girl out of the water…whether she’s telling the truth or not. Sitting at the bar, sipping an import, chick walks up to order, I make a statement, yada yada yada we’re talking. Casually throws in BF line telling a recent story (I guess to attempt to keep our convo platonic) and I say “pfft” like I’m in doubt. Result? She stumbles for a word until she touches my arm and says “Who are you again?”

    Gold, Jerry!

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 8:52 pm Hi

      How does “pfft” sound phonetically?

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  14. on May 1, 2012 at 1:38 pm MadMav

    Ironically, i use to respond with “gay, right”

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  15. on May 1, 2012 at 1:40 pm Lara

    I like “right”. It makes it seem like he is in agreement, which is not what she wants to hear.

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  16. on May 1, 2012 at 1:44 pm maurice

    TRY HARD BETAMAX

    hm, indeed, in the post-DVD, mp3 era. (Not even VHS-?)

    agere that “right” is the strongest response, also that chick in question is not worth pursuing (unless super hot and/or dtf regularly as a booty call).

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  17. on May 1, 2012 at 1:46 pm Anon

    What about “thank you”?

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  18. on May 1, 2012 at 1:51 pm gunslingergregi

    how bout calling her and continuing to laugh as you have been at this crazy bitch

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  19. on May 1, 2012 at 2:14 pm Ripp

    “have probably triggered her anti-slut defense”

    That’s exactly what’s going on.

    In addition to “right” as a response I also like “and”. However no response is just as good.

    …then reopen 3 days to 3 weeks later with a random thread.

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  20. on May 1, 2012 at 2:31 pm blert

    Simply text: ” . ”

    (Omit quotes.)

    It’s the ultimate in minimalist replies.

    To do so is to seriously de-elevate the gal.

    After all, she’s expecting SOMETHING back…

    Her hamster will be twirling: “What the heck does a . mean?”

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 4:40 pm askjoe

      very interesting. win?

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  21. on May 1, 2012 at 2:37 pm DJDamage

    Woman: I have a boyfriend.

    You: That’s good, ’cause I have 2 girlfriends, you need to catch up with me.

    You: A boyfriend?! so how long did you have this problem?!

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  22. on May 1, 2012 at 2:55 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

    GBFM: don’t you worry i’m not looking for friends with benefitz. just benefits. lolzozlzozlzozloz

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 3:30 pm doclove

      It’s obvious to me now. You taught Tucker Max everything he knows. You realeased a monster on us. Kill your baby boy named Tucker Max now.Damn you! Damn you to Hell!! Damn you to Hell for what you’ve done!!!!!!!!! lzlzlzlz lol zlzlzlzlzlzzozozoz.
      (Note to Big Brother: the above was sarcastic humor. Please don’t come through my door in the middle of the night. I have no desire to visit Guantamino Bay, Cuba.)
      That’s a long witty response GBFM. You made others above too. They will either work really well or you will crash and burn.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 12:36 pm Trebuchet Warrior

      Boy, you kill me.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 4:46 pm chi-town

      Don’t rub me wrong.. lookin for what you usually call extra places.

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  23. on May 1, 2012 at 3:24 pm doclove

    In the same vein as Heartiste, you could reply………..SURE

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  24. on May 1, 2012 at 3:26 pm Ben Runkle

    I still like “8===D” as the old standby, used it on a chick who tried to flake out on me the other day as a matter of fact. She still texts me on and off, but she flaked on me too many times, so she gets no love

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  25. on May 1, 2012 at 3:27 pm Pantalones

    GBFN is just so fucking annoying with his lololzz. Knock it off. What are you a 15 yr old twatlight fan?

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 3:50 pm AnonJohn

      you’re new here arent you.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 8:16 pm Uradyke

        yeah you must be new. GBFM is funny as shit. can’t imagine this blog without him.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 4:37 pm chi-town

      A lseeon in statsiss, rotflmaozz.

      I love Twilight BTW. You never need to wonder how women think ever again(reformed bad boy, ephebophile old man vampire in a boys body. default dependable, bad boy toy, wolf backup, . Cheap sex not possible, forbidden, ripped, low foreheads, knowledgeable but reticent, conflicted, superior and oh my fucking god, girl heaven. Vampires and wolves who become angels just fur her.

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  26. on May 1, 2012 at 3:28 pm Rastus

    “for how long this time?”

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  27. on May 1, 2012 at 3:33 pm delicioustacos

    “That’s good cuz I don’t romance nobody, for real tho I have a boyfriend, what happened Sunday will never happen again,”

    Someone from the developed world, from a country with a literacy rate in the high nineties– someone who had had adequate childhood nutrition and did not, one assumes, suffer severe head trauma– someone who does not have Downs Syndrome, Williams Syndrome, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, or some other condition with cosmetic consequences that would render her unfuckable– someone for whom all those things are true typed that as a sentence. And they sent it to another person as an actual attempt to communicate.

    And that person’s reaction was “Oh shit– what do I say next? I don’t want to fuck this up!” And this is AFTER fucking her.

    And I’ve thought like that too. We all have. Instead of “Thank God, a clean break– I was afraid that retard might get clingy,” it’s OH SHIT HOW AM I GONNA HOLD ON TO THAT ASS I NEED TO GET THAT ASS AGAIN. You place your own dignity beneath the caprices of a girl who couldn’t crack an IQ problem that was solved by raccoons.

    How were civilizations built by men, debased creatures that we are?

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 7:47 pm Alki (@Alki_holic)

      “OH SHIT HOW AM I GONNA HOLD ON TO THAT ASS I NEED TO GET THAT ASS AGAIN”

      nail.head. You and loveknoxxz have called me out. Damn. Completely incongruent with how I got there in the first place.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 8:29 pm loveknoxxz

      Dude that was the sanitized message I was trying to relay to the numb-nut whether it be Hard Mudd or anyother young buck that may decide to venture down that carnal road. Why worry about pussy plunging any chick that has not demonstrated to you that she is in deed worthy of respect. Being a “player” takes more mental conditioning than physical training. For the uniniated: THIS IS CHESS NOT CHECKERS MUAFUKA!

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 8:37 pm Harcourt Mudd

      In fairness, I have been known to wander from more articulate to ‘hood’ as a form of entertainment. It’s a form of relating to people who actually grew up around it and it’s no different than slipping into the ‘game’ or ‘evopsych’ or ‘red pill’ talk we have around here. It helps you feel more comfortable but the girl I have been dealing with is quite capable of erudition and wit (at least compared to most broads I have dealt with.)

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 12:22 pm Anon

        nothing more gay than a white dude who thinks nigger babble is funny and hip. grow up.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 2:06 pm Harcourt Mudd

        Uh, unless you’re black or mixed race, and grew up with that music and in those neighborhoods, dipshit?

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 2:59 am Anonymous

        Even Eminem want some better shit than that.

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  28. on May 1, 2012 at 3:35 pm Ben Runkle

    The best reply to anything a girl does/ says that displeases you is still 8===D
    I texted this to a girl who flaked on me one too many times (3rd time in a row). She still texts me every now and then, but she’s a flake, so the gets no love.

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    • on May 3, 2012 at 2:59 am Anonymous

      Say: Ghey. Bring da movies.

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  29. on May 1, 2012 at 3:42 pm askjoe

    these games, they are for a younger girl, don’t you think?
    (love the disapproving German boss commercial)
    Isn’t the IHAB bomb dropped after losing the dick sandwich battle in the girl’s hamster race? Best you can do is “huh” because there’s no magical combination of words that is going to get you back on that hamster wheel.

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  30. on May 1, 2012 at 3:53 pm Anon

    bring tha movies!

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 4:21 pm Rollo Tomassi

      dammit, beat me to it.

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  31. on May 1, 2012 at 4:07 pm Doc

    I’ve responded to similar texts with, “sure” No thing else – of course, few can ever leave it at that. I had one call me to which I responded, “Can’t talk now. Gotta go.” She tracked me down a week later and she proved she was blowing smoke, by spending the night again.

    Women never say what they mean, nor mean what they say. So you’re better off not worrying about what they say, and take your clues from what they do and respond to.

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  32. on May 1, 2012 at 4:36 pm carioca

    “take it easy, it´s the 21th century, u can have 2 bfs”

    “I´m not jealous”

    “I have a magnet for taken women and I f love it”

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  33. on May 1, 2012 at 5:10 pm colombian guy

    i usually have trouble wiht my omega responses…. but that “right” …is kind of multipurpose. thanks!

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  34. on May 1, 2012 at 5:15 pm The Specimen

    Another good one to,”I have a boyfriend,” is,”How long you had that problem?”

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  35. on May 1, 2012 at 5:23 pm Libertardian

    “That’s good cuz I don’t romance nobody, [sic] for real tho I have a boyfriend, what happened Sunday will never happen again”

    Sounds suspicious. She don’t romance nobody but she have a boyfriend? I’d just say “once doesn’t make me your boyfriend”. Also, I’d be fine with every chick giving me the IHAB line if they wait until AFTER they put out 🙂

    “And any reply longer than three words is TRY HARD BETAMAX.”

    It’s like a haiku contest.

    “i forgive you”

    “i won’t tell” (I don’t text, but the real-life version has worked nicely)

    “who r u?”

    “yeah me too!”

    “anal next time?”

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 8:58 pm Hi

      “anal next time?”

      Winner winner, chicken dinner!

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  36. on May 1, 2012 at 5:33 pm Anonymous

    Heartiste, that sex ratio map is pretty useless since it’s likely skewed in favor of women because they live longer. Click on the 15 or under to see what the young female to male ratio is more likely to be. Unless you’re into pounding grandmas, you’re better off sticking to europe or north america. And no matter which way you look at it, the world’s a brodeo.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 5:50 pm corvinus

      Cosign.

      Actually, change 15 or under to 15-30 ratio, since quite a few young men get themselves killed, even without wars. (This is especially true in drug-war-infested Latin America.) Or even better, compare the 15-30 yo female population to the 20-35 yo male population.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 5:53 pm corvinus

      And no matter which way you look at it, the world’s a brodeo.

      That’s what happens when: 1) half the world’s population lives in countries that abort their girls (China, India, etc.), 2) there hasn’t been a war that killed lots of men since World War II, and 3) the population shifts to an older age structure (fewer young women for men in the age brackets 5-10 years older).

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 10:46 am Lara

        When men and women are in balance, men are always going to be frustrated. This is due to female hypergamy and men of all age groups wanting young women. It seems like when women outnumber men by a lot, the men tend to get soft and dandyish. This isn’t good for the longterm success of a society.

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  37. on May 1, 2012 at 5:35 pm Libertardian

    “Guess which girl is the dating advice columnist. … http://t.co/5di7VIHr”

    Jesus.

    From that page:
    http://philly.barstoolsports.com/around-barstool/bankrupt-octomom-might-try-her-hand-at-masturbation-porn/

    Jesus fuck.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 4:13 pm chi-town

      If she gets dates, she could give good advice.

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  38. on May 1, 2012 at 5:59 pm silent

    “It wouldn’t stop me” is my usual response. Works on marrieds and serial-monogamists alike. Helps to be a freak though, someone who can scratch that itch that her significant other either won’t/can’t do.

    Slores until proven otherwise. But NAWALT, etc

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  39. on May 1, 2012 at 6:07 pm realmatt

    Don’t raw dog black girls or wiggers.

    Blech

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  40. on May 1, 2012 at 6:11 pm Harcourt Mudd

    Yo IHAB,

    Was that a tall blonde girl that you banged out on this past Sunday?

    The reason is because the way of textspeak is similar to moments I know of with this one girl I had been spending some time with. It would be hilarious if this online world were that small.

    While I’m here, I have some advice to ask on:

    The girl I had been spending time with (though I kept talking to other women) ignored my contacts on a day this weekend, then I caught her out with another dude. We acknowledged each other but that was it. Now, it’s not a ‘relationship’ so I put aside my disappointment (and I’ve ‘won’ in previous competitions to be the man for a girl, just as girls may have won out with me) but I noticed she has basically cut off contact.

    I’m actually OK continuing, I do like this girl and I noticed I went from condom to raw dog (as if I met the seal of approval) within a few weeks. That is dumb of me, I know, but the fact is is there any hope for salvaging this shit and how would I go about it? I feel like she got spooked cuz she got caught, not in a lie, but in spinning plates and now doesn’t know how to re-establish contact.

    In the interim, I still communicate with other women so it’s not a strict case of one-itis, though I do have my preferences.

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  41. on May 1, 2012 at 6:33 pm L

    The 3 R’s of Game:

    ‘Right’
    ‘Respect’
    ‘Really’ + slight implied raised eyebrow

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  42. on May 1, 2012 at 6:40 pm Marellus

    My Dear Suzie.

    You’re right. Such a thing must never happen again. Hence I promise that I will never push you against a wall.

    I also promise that I’ll then neither caress the back of your neck, nor whisper, softly in your ears, the turgid lurid explicit rampant salacious delicious things that I want to do to you.

    I will not yank down your underwear. I will not use my mouth on you down there.

    And I will not stand up, and I will not turn my attention to your breasts. I will not irreverently plunge my fingers into you.

    And I will not try to yank you around … while my tongue and teeth are still on your breasts …

    As such, I promise that I won’t then bend you over, and then take my sweet bloody time thrusting into you …

    It’s better that the next time we only stick to chitchat over coffee.

    We must be adults about this.

    … which means the bill is gonna be on you the next time …

    Have a good day.

    Which

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  43. on May 1, 2012 at 6:47 pm loveknoxxz

    Firepower is absolutely correct with this one,after banging this cumbucket twice and raw dog, which was a completely fucktard move mind you. Nothing she says about IHAB is of any concern or even relevant. The young hussy the reader is texting and trying to continue frequent escapades with, is a cum bucket. I sense within the letter the reader is contemplating some sort of relationship or on going tryst with this slut. Dude, pump and dump if you’re going to be a “player”, “lady killer”, “seducer”, or what have you. You, the reader or Hardcourt Mudd sound like a simp right now, and if you was one of the homies I’d slap the taste out yo mouth for sounding like a bitch. Theres nothing to salvage,except your mind at this moment. I smell bitch made while reading the letter/comment.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 7:44 pm Alki (@Alki_holic)

      lol, a tryst. I wanted to set up some release after my leg day workout today.

      Simping? You’re way fucking off. I’ve already hit this girl’s roommate a few times, and their mutual BFF. Pretty sure they all know about each other.

      But you sound right about the vibe the comment gives off. I sound desperate, or incongruent with the man who she wanted to fuck the night before.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 8:33 pm Harcourt Mudd

      Damn, that’s rough but I respect the opinion. But you’ve never wanted to continue tappin’ someone who you enjoyed more than others (and who may or may not have been more attractive than other girls in your rotation)?? I don’t even know if it’s as the cost of my dignity, cuz the girl coulda seen me with another woman just as easily.

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      • on May 1, 2012 at 9:50 pm loveknoxxz

        Your dignity is the most important aspect of your game. Never become infacuated with any piece of ass no matter how beautiful or even comfortable of a rapport you have with a slut. She is still a slut.

        Dude anyone woman can give you her body with her heart and mind still being from with you. Also,weak/inconsistent women never contribute any postive,long lasting benefits to your life besides ass. Yes I have been with chicks I enjoyed tapping more than others,but these women were nothing more at the end of the day than a piece of ass. You cant build a stable house off faulty/cracked foundation, and your statement had the scent of being pussy whipped throughout it. That’s why my comment was rough.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 2:12 am Harcourt Mudd

        “Dude anyone woman can give you her body with her heart and mind still being from with you. Also,weak/inconsistent women never contribute any postive,long lasting benefits to your life besides ass”

        And I agree. I guess, for my part, I thought there was some giving of heart/mind involved, like her kind of exclaiming while laying together about me being sexy, or loving my voice or that she “didn’t want to go head over heels” for me and calling me babe and shit like that. I guess her blowing me off to go hang with some dude shows weakness/inconsistency but if I had a chance to knock off some jawn while still building with this one, I probably would have. Women are judged differently, I know this, but I had a relationship that developed similarly (both talking to multiple people then narrowing down to the one exclusive after awhile.) I figured that’s how it worked these days, it’s just that you usually don’t see the person out on one of their other dates.

        I’m a bit older (not new to this game) and kind of want something a bit more enduring then ‘tonight.’ Then again, I kind of closed off a really good girl recently because I became infatuated with this one, so maybe a sign I was making a mistake in the first place.

        I was wondering if there was anything for me to do but go silent, which seems like giving up totally. I also figure that there is a link between success with one girl and success with another. At the very least, flipping it into a positive again for a minute can enable you to go find that more stable one to build with?

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 8:06 am GeishaKate

        Women’s game is designed to protect their hearts. Its almost gotten to the point where it isn’t seen as normal or safe to care about people. Why go silent? Because she didn’t respond to your communication? I could understand that, but if you are not “exclusive” and you both knew you would be dating other people, then you are both free to do what you want, right? I have always been curious to know how men view women who circular date or what they think of a woman who begins dating someone else shortly after a break up.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 8:23 am Anon

        “I have always been curious to know how men view women who circular date or what they think of a woman who begins dating someone else shortly after a break up.”

        Sluts.
        Big fucking sluts.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 8:45 am GeishaKate

        HAH! Thanks, that clears that up! So, basically, men are permitted to date as many people as they want with no committment to anyone and women are supposed to be as loyal as Argus/Penelope (take your pick).

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 9:19 am Dude

        Hah….women these days don’t have a heart to give. They want to be “fabulous” and chase alpha cock.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 9:48 am GeishaKate

        “women these days don’t have a heart to give” This to me is what the real “wall” is: when you don’t have anything left. What men view as women being sluts or chasing alphas is a matter of perspective. Naturally, I sympathize with women who want to find love or simply want a companion. Being alone is exactly that: lonely. Yes, you can be happy on your own, but you know you’d be happier with someont to share it with. Women have sexual needs as well and they are probably interested in alphas because they’d understand that and be able to handle their desire. If men are saying no to marriage, how are women to respond? Iron undies takes an iron will. At the very least shouldn’t they expect to be made a semi-honest woman? Getting back to Harcourt’s question, has she really done anything “wrong”?

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 10:12 am Stingray

        Getting back to Harcourt’s question, has she really done anything “wrong”?

        In today’s culture, no. Not really. But women have to realize that what culture views as wrong and what men’s biological imperative says is wrong are two different things. Men don’t like sluts (for relationships). End of story. It’s not a choice they are consciously making. It is simply the way it is, Just like women prefer alphas. That’s the way it is. So, it’s not really wrong that a woman will sleep around. However, what is wrong is for her to expect that a man should take her as she is because that is the way she wants it to be. We women have choices to make. Men don’t like sluts. If we choose to be sluts, then we must accept the consequences (that being that we will have a very difficult time finding a good man who will accept the slutty past). If we choose to be unslutty (Heh, don’t know what else to call it. Chaste is frowned upon as well), then we must live with the consequences of that as well (iron panties).

        You asked how women are to respond. I believe the only way we can respond is acceptance of the way things truly are. Many women and many men are going to be left in the dust and it is unfortunate. However, we have dug our graves and now we must lie in them. What is going on today in the sexual market place is the logical conclusion of what feminists asked for. This is what women said we wanted. We can’t back out now, no matter how much we say we want to. It’s done.

        Perpetuating this myth that we can “have it all” is only going to make things so much worse. There is no “all” for men or for women.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 10:23 am GeishaKate

        Thank you, Stingray. Very nicely put and much needed reinforcement. I will continue to unslut it up. I just hope men realize this is harder than it looks and it is really no fun. At all.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 10:37 am King A (Matthew King)

        GeishaKate wrote:

        So, basically, men are permitted to date as many people as they want with no commitment to anyone and women are supposed to be as loyal as Argus/Penelope.

        In a nutshell, yes. In the state of nature, yes. Tell me when your sex is ready for a truce. Are you exhausted yet?

        “Commitment” is the latter-day, weak-sister replacement word for bond. It is the symbol of feminism’s attempt to hold two contradictory and repulsing items together, like the strong force of an atom’s nucleus keeping protons from flying apart. Women want both independence and cooperation. “Commitment” is a finger’s-crossed promise. “Commitment” is conditional and contingent, which is no true commitment at all. “Commitment” is what the Sex and the City whore thinks men are stupid enough to give in return for nothing of substance. The proposed deal is preposterous.

        The core transaction is not male loyalty for female loyalty. We give our protection in exchange for your fidelity. Much of this arrangement does indeed require male loyalty, but it is not nearly as important as the female’s. Male disloyalty is problematic; female disloyalty is annihilating. If you want to preserve your “independence,” then what are you bugging us for? The only possible offer that might entice us is one of your proposed dependence.

        So yes, you are supposed to be as loyal as Penelope. That would be a unilateral indication of good faith for your sex to help repair the breach your sex caused between us. Men will get along just fine in this atmosphere: we are built for independence. (OOPS, feminism forgot about that.) “Being alone is exactly that: lonely” is the logic of a woman. The fear of independence that drives the female world-view is not a fear at all for men. It is a feature not a bug. In any event, the fears that captivate women are motivations of limited utility to us.

        Yes, some male commenters above “kind of want something a bit more enduring.” But sister, those expressions are not an instinct of their manly soul. They are a residue from being marinated in feminine platitudes their entire lives.

        Matt

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 11:18 am GeishaKate

        Ugh. Don’t make me make personal arguments, King A. Nobody wants to hear them. I’ll be in the NAWALT corner in five seconds flat.

        Instead would you expand upon this: “The only possible offer that might entice us is one of your proposed dependence.” I am also curious what you mean by “submission signals.”

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 12:19 pm GeishaKate

        Where are my manners. Would you expand upon that when you have time, please.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 12:32 pm DiamondEyes

        Christ, do i have to trot out the CDC statistics AGAIN?!
        It’s like the 77 cents on the dollar myth – it just will not die no matter how much evidence of it’s falsehood is presented to you, because you WANT to believe it, because it provides you advantage to believe it.

        You have been reading this blog for a long time and still don’t get that men and women are biologically and emotionally different.

        The CDC chart shows that a woman is simply unable to form a lasting pair bond after a couple of sexual partners, and that this problem intensifies with each additional non-marital sex partner.

        For you dummies: we instinctively hate sluts for relationships, and science has backed us up, proving that women with more than a couple sex partners make horrible wives, due to high divorce levels.

        Alpha fucks, beta bucks, indeed.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 12:38 pm King A (Matthew King)

        GeishaKate wrote:

        Don’t make me make personal arguments, King A. Nobody wants to hear them.

        Right. Nobody wants to hear them. As you say, the only possible protest against the truth of the sexual dynamic is NAWALT, which is a non-sequitur in any event: The general rules of anything are not meant to be an expression of the specific. But because women’s brains are geared more toward the specific and the immediate (as opposed to men’s general and abstract), NAWALT is the first instinct of a woman when confronted with a comprehensive argument. “Well, I’m not like that!” Nobody said you were, honeybear. We are speaking of tendencies, not persons. So your very protesting of my argument now gives demonstrates my argument once again — you persisting in instinctive specificity, me reiterating the general.

        Vive la differénce.

        Women can in fact attract men by being manly in a buddy-buddy way. “She’s just cool to hang around. And she’s got a hole I can fuck!” You can show wit and intelligence and competence and confidence. They are not unattractive as bonus features. But as the basis for a core-deep, soul-to-soul magnetism? No. Strong women are essentially unattractive. It inspires the kind of revulsion that women have for omegas, soft and timid and ladylike, in a word, weak.

        But weak wears well on women. The indicators of submissiveness is girl game, sister. I haven’t put a scientific lens on it because I know it when I see it, and I’m not responsible for sending out those signals. To mimic those signals requires a (manly) attention to detail that your sex lacks. (NAAAAWWWAAALLLTTT)

        My guess is anything that advertises your vulnerability will have a submissive attractiveness to it. Men are instinctively protective, particularly as they age — the daddy vibe. They want some indication that you possess something that requires protecting and that you can’t do it yourself. I never was truly attracted to a girl back in high school until the first time my teasing made her cry. Nervousness, innocence, waterworks. Exposed neck, looking up, smallness, wide-eyes, school-girl affect. Whatever tells the man that 1) you are valuable enough to need protection, and 2) you can only be protected by that man alone.

        There’s a codicil to the theory, though, which allows for substantial female strength. Call it the Benedick and Beatrice scenario. A woman can be confident, strong, sharp, and poised relative to the man — a one-upwomanship whose eventual domination is an indicator of the man’s strength, a hard prize to win. Unfortunately most of the women who attempt this fail to thread the needle and become domineering nags, shrews to be tamed.

        I’m developing a way to express the golden mean between protector and mate, which is the final truth of all this. You can have either a peer-level, friendly (Claudio-Hero) dynamic or a father-daughter dynamic to great success, depending on the characteristics of the principals. But I am convinced there is an ideal that combines both approaches while paradoxically keeping them in tension, a tension that creates conflict, the conflict whose regularly recurring resolution provides the momentum for sustained romance.

        Matt

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 2:15 pm Harcourt Mudd

        Um, I think the idea is that I’m asking. Please feel free to contribute an idea of what to actually do 🙂 The issue is when a girl goes radio silent on you, do you respond in turn? I sent a text the night after. Do I try to re-initiate again? In what way..etc. The point is, I’m not judging her as faulty just yet. As you say this may be her way of protecting herself. She really seemed concerned she would fall for me. Maybe I didn’t establish enough safety/comfort but I thought I was alpha enough to at least see it through.

        So do I maintain silence or act? and what is the appropriate action? I’ve never been in this position before (with this set of circumstances)

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 2:37 pm GeishaKate

        Depends what you said in your text. I would think proceed as if you never even saw her out with someone else.

        *hides behind Matador*

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 3:07 pm Harcourt Mudd

        GeishaKate,

        LOL too late for that. I mean, the text was basically an acknowledgment of the situation but that I wasn’t going to let it stop me from what I want. I then may have said that it could easily have been the other way and that’s how it is in non-exclusive situations.

        I don’t know why the __ I am out of my brain now, it’s really weird. Haven’t been like this in forever. For the most part I have been “not caring” a whit about these women (liking, yes) but something went haywire in that stupid brain of mine.

        But I will say that once I said “hey” to her when she walked by, I think it killed it. Had I walked by with head turned, we’d still be talking. Funny the little decisions make such a huge difference.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 3:28 pm itsme

        harcourt,

        you said it yourself, you want more than a one night stand, and this girl did and said all the right things to make you think that she’s not just some random slut.

        you are being blinded by your oneitis.

        I thought I was alpha enough to at least see it through

        alphas don’t commit to sluts.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 3:34 pm Harcourt Mudd

        I think one area where she fucked up was ignoring my contact that day instead of saying “have other plans.” It’s a way of avoiding a lie, I get that, but that just makes no sense when you are texting every day. it’s disrespectful and I think THAT makes her look more like a two-faced slut than actually going out with another guy. Most people who are dating around do not get caught out. I sent her a text because I didn’t want any foolish embarrassment on her part to grind things to a halt. Turns out that was to no avail (or seems so at this point.)

        And the way to protect your heart, I would think, is to ask the man for more and stop assuming yo know his mind. And maybe instead of dating other people, the man who is sexing you should feel like he’s the sole partner at that time. And she did kind of make me feel that way, so that is another area where she erred. (It’s refreshing to look where she might have gone wrong rather than put it on myself.)

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 4:31 pm GeishaKate

        I agree. She should have just said she had other plans. But, the language you are using is very interesting. You say “caught out.” How exactly was she caught?

        I personally don’t understand why she’d be dating someone else if she was having sex with you, but you have to remember that women are being taught the exact same things you are. Don’t say “I love you” first. Don’t bring up the relationship talk; he should be the one to initiate it.

        As far as her asking the man for more, well, did you want more? Did you really want to be exclusive or are you only reacting to seeing her with someone else? If you felt like you were her sole partner, perhaps you were. Flirting does not mean dating; dating does not mean sex. Women are not going to retreat into a cave hoping that someone will happen by and want an exclusive relationship with them 🙂

        I agree its much more comforting to think of what the other person did wrong, so these are just things to consider. Take it or leave it 🙂

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 4:50 pm Harcourt Mudd

        GK: “You say “caught out.” How exactly was she caught?”
        ===
        That’s just an expression. I also assume I would have heard from her the next day, but when I didn’t all day, I assumed it’s because she felt some kind of way about me acknowledging I saw her. even before you are exclusive, I’m sure you don’t want to run into someone else that you are dating (or dating most preferentially.)

        GK:”I personally don’t understand why she’d be dating someone else if she was having sex with you, but you have to remember that women are being taught the exact same things you are. Don’t say “I love you” first. Don’t bring up the relationship talk; he should be the one to initiate it.”
        ===
        I feel the same way. I was talking to people but put actual activity on hold. Especially once I hit raw (dumb, dumb, I know but figured it meant something specific, maybe it did.) But I get that it was very close that night to us both walking by with someone else (I was texting someone else to come out since she ignored me.) and I get they are being told the same thing, the only issue is she is the one who talked about feeling a certain way and I was making time to see her and, if not saying things, moving things forward. I am just very busy now and I can’t see her as much as I want to.

        GK:” As far as her asking the man for more, well, did you want more? Did you really want to be exclusive or are you only reacting to seeing her with someone else? ”
        ==

        I did/do. Not sure now, not even because of the incident but the silence since. I feel like I’m being made to feel I did something wrong, when all I did was acknowledge a somewhat awkward moment. And I hate to say this, but if it’s bar close time and you are walking alone with a guy, I’m at least thinking you’re doing something. How much of it is the reaction to seeing her with someone else? None. Had I not seen her I would still be trying to move forward things with her, since she gave me the impression she was into me.

        One warning sign is that she seemed insecure about her body and one time I took her home and I had to overcome this and she initially didn’t believe I liked her body…which was nuts. She complimented me sexually and otherwise. She either is that way with everyone or she really was into me but somehow things have been murked up.

        *shrug*

        Thanks for the audience.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 9:05 pm King A (Matthew King)

        GeishaKate wrote:

        Where are my manners. Would you expand upon that when you have time, please.

        Your manners are partying with my response somewhere in W-Press oblivion. I can’t tell which keywords are making the verbivore bot instantly devour my literary delicacies.

        Long story short: submission signals are girl game. Not my department, except to say, I know it when I see it. Weak wears well on women, relative to a man’s strength. You can make a play for the protectiveness-Daddy-vibe or the challenging-peer-lover-vibe, or at the very highest level, a constantly alternating tension between both. There is room for female strength within a submissive context, but only applicable to the strongest men, and only when wielded by the most subtle of mistresses.

        Matt

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 5:04 pm GeishaKate

        Well, I hope they had a good time. Thanks for this, King. I appreciate it.

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 5:28 pm Anonymous

        I have always been curious to know how men view women who circular date or what they think of a woman who begins dating someone else shortly after a break up.

        Q: What’s the difference between true love and herpes?
        A: Herpes lasts forever.

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 5:50 pm GeishaKate

        Love can last a lifetime too- if you’re creative enough 🙂

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 3:01 pm Firepower

        you trophied matador – kwl

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 4:18 pm GeishaKate

        I don’t forget acts of true kindness.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 4:26 pm Firepower

        lol you don’t know who/what I mean… do ya

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 4:39 pm GeishaKate

        I know what I was thinking, but I don’t think I know you what think I was thinking nor what you think you know now 🙂

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 5:03 pm Firepower

        I’m just glad to hear ya have a sexlife. those things can rust

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 5:09 pm GeishaKate

        Okay, I confess. I have no idea what you’re talking about.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 5:47 pm Firepower

        boy would I EVER pound the stuffins outta you

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 8:45 pm King A (Matthew King)

        She’s “hid[ing] behind Matador” because papi chulo’s got a cape, obvs.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 5:05 pm GeishaKate

        You’re welcome. If we can’t learn from and help each other, what’s the point. 🙂 One last little thing: women need words. You being busy could be seen by her as disinterest. Your actions to move things forward may never have registered without them being explicitly stated.

        Its so easy for things to get murked up its a wonder anybody gets together at all! Things are always subject to change, so if you feel you’ve done the right things and there’s nothing else to do, then, that’s all you can do for the moment.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 5:25 pm Harcourt Mudd

        Words. Yes. Hmm. I thought it best not to get too nuts, but I thought by inviting her along that night and having her meet friends that it was a good gesture. The night before she kind of hinted at meeting and I was busy working on assignments but said I would available the night I actually invited her out.

        Annoying. All gone from one chance encounter. And perhaps my text specifically referring to it as non-exclusive didn’t help…

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 10:49 am King A (Matthew King)

        You don’t have to be as obnoxious and blustery as loveknoxxz to acknowledge the difference between male and female approaches to bonding …

        The young hussy the reader is texting and trying to continue frequent escapades with, is a cum bucket. I sense within the letter the reader is contemplating some sort of relationship or on going tryst with this slut. Dude, pump and dump if you’re going to be a “player”, “lady killer”, “seducer”, or what have you. You, the reader or Hardcourt Mudd sound like a simp right now, and if you was one of the homies I’d slap the taste out yo mouth for sounding like a bitch.

        … but it helps.

        This kind of bravado is like triage, emergency first-aid when the patient is bleeding out. It is a good attitude to impart on a rising beta, a rousting out of a man’s dogmatic slumber. It is also appropriate for a certain stage in life when a boy is groping his way toward manliness.

        But it is no program for life. If you never move past the necessary corrective stage, you’ll be stuck on chapter one of the lesson book. Mentors “slap the taste out [of the protege’s] mouth for sounding like a bitch” only while he’s a protege, while we are still right to suspect that “sounding like a bitch” is emblematic of his weakness rather than one instrument in a strong repertory.

        So, ladies, don’t waste too much time on being horrified at the savage practices of boot camp. They are not men in full yet, they are the complete expression of manliness. There is a place where your loyalty will be rewarded. You just have to close your eyes, take my hand, and trust me. Completely and without reservation. Deep breath now …

        Matt

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 10:56 am Stingray

        There is a place where your loyalty will be rewarded. You just have to close your eyes, take my hand, and trust me. Completely and without reservation.

        And when her man is chosen well, with this, comes freedom.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 9:01 pm carolyn

        but what if he’s an idiot? for a woman ‘settling’, as this site encourages them to do, and given that the IQ continuum is roughly the same for both halves of the species, the counsel to reserve judgment seems more prudent.

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 10:42 am GeishaKate

        And when her man is chosen ill, with this, comes tyranny. You can give loyalty but you may not get protection. Only the noblest men and women make this exchange.

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 10:56 am Stingray

        GeishaKate,

        Yes, there are always going to be those at the opposite end of the spectrum. I believe that right now things are utterly skewed toward the lower middle of the spectrum and very few people are finding the relationship Kind A spoke of and there are also fewer tyrannical relationship. With the feminizing of men, we have lost both. While I feel for those women who were (and are) truly abused, the way society has gone about remedying the situation has made things utterly worse. Where before, a few poor souls suffered, look what the SMV is now.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 2:12 pm Harcourt Mudd

        Well, King A,

        Would you have actual advice? As we’ve mentioned here, I have no idea what happened that night with her and that guy. I think it’s safe to just assume she did have sex with him. I have had relationships where, at first, there was no exclusivity and it became so. So because she has not communicated with me, does that mean I just walk away or is there some magical fucking text or words that will open this back up?

        Because the whole point for me was that I actually had a rapport with this one and I am confident that had I not run into her with another dude, we’d be talking still. And it did seem like she was becoming somewhat attached, she’d write really long text msgs and seemed emotionally present when we were together. That, of course, may mean nothing ultimately but I asked for tips. If nothing else, it can help me down the line with someone else. I’ve never been cool with being ignored by someone I’ve had any kind of relationship with.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 8:39 pm King A (Matthew King)

        I confess I’m not following the details of your situation closely, Harcourt. I’m not cut out for the Dear Abby thing. It gets tedious, and I’m the big picture guy. I can’t tell you what to text some chick I don’t know based on your incomplete recounting of selected details. Get the basics down solid, apply the principles, and everything else is improv. And improv gets better with practice.

        The view from 10,000 feet looks like you’re cogitating too much about one girl. We can smell your brain circuits smoking. Be aloof, doof.

        I would make friends with the “other dude,” and I’m not even joking. She wants to be an object, treat her like one, and pass her around like a chit between brothers. She devalued herself with her skankified flightiness, no need to write a ballad over it. And the only thing worse than bemoaning “the one that got away” is allowing her the knowledge that she can inspire a reaction in you.

        Now, I know befriending your “rivals” (if you see them that way) takes an elevated skill, but it is one skill that draws the battle lines clearly, releases you from the inane caprice of women, and destroys the source of her power over you. “It’s cool, bro. I already fucked her. Did you try a finger in her ass yet?”

        If you don’t aspire to that level of mastery, then move on to the next ho. They are thick on the ground these days, and never easier. Hand to the pussy plow, don’t look back. Not only will pressing on keep you from trying to reconstruct the humpty-dumpty of a sexual fail (which always happens when you cede control to her “logic,” as you must have done somewhere), it will ironically give you the best chance to get this girl to start chasing you again. Who cares if you screwed up one or two notes in the solo? Blow past it and finish strong.

        “I’ve never been cool with being ignored….” Huh? Bad policy. Bad, bad policy. Whether you know it or not, you wear that anxiety all over your face, and you look like a tool. A woman ignoring you has as much to do with her own insane female issues as it does with the quality of your manhood. Attaching your emotional state to some broad’s hamster wheel is a recipe for slapstick.

        Matt

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 9:39 pm carolyn

        ‘If you don’t aspire to that level of mastery, then move on to the next ho. They are thick on the ground these days, and never easier. Hand to the pussy plow, don’t look back’

        holy crap, matthew king, holy crap. you’ve gone way beyond muscular christianity into the realm of antinomianism. does christian restraint not apply to male sexuality?

        your overall take seems to relegate women as something less than human, and as a social conservative, my accusing you as such says a lot. your verbal sleight of hand inspires admiration, but your ideas fall apart on close examination when the fireworks of your poetic prose wear off.

        just sayin’

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 8:48 pm King A (Matthew King)

        I’m glad you asked, carolyn, because this misconception has got to end. It is not “antinomian” to reintroduce a woman to the natural law to which she believes herself to be immune. (I am encouraged by the new show Girls on HBO for this reason.) That the hos are thick on the ground is a fact of our generation. No tsk-tsking or tut-tutting will make that fact disappear. Only an enforcement of the consequences of their behavior will turn the tide of ingrained ideology around. This is war. There is no murder in war, just as there is no sexual transgression in the war of the sexes.

        Men bear responsibility for chastity when women fail to achieve it — through codes of feminine honor, through clannish protection of virgins, through fathers cleaning their shotguns when a date is introduced. This is how we reconstruct their chastity amid the rubble: by exposing women to the state of nature enough to understand why the civil protections they dismantled over the last hundred years were constructed in the first place. Ours is the age of Love in the Ruins.

        It’s a fine needle to thread, and I realize it smacks of rationalization. Not a recommended approach for beginners or infideles. It gets complicated. But it is the way out.

        The barbarian horde will get their fuck on one way or another now that every obstacle to sexual anomie has been removed. “What is’t to me, when you yourselves are cause, / If your pure maidens fall into the hand / Of hot and forcing violation?” We are in the middle of the frictionless slide. The best we can hope for is to direct that chaotic energy toward a good end for the benefit of generations to follow. This is the practical approach, the slow rebuild rather than depending on some magical thinking to instantly convert souls back into discipline.

        your overall take seems to relegate women as something less than human…

        Not at all. Women who somehow manage act like ladies even today are irrelevant to the calculus. They are non-combatants. They are my sisters, they have full immunity and the gentleman’s protection.

        But what kind of world is this? At high mass women wear miniskirts and shirts that show nipples, words across their ass, dolled up like they’re DTF right there in the pew. No one told them not to do this, it’s simply in the atmosphere, and they think such behavior is costless. They do not know men! Even if we had told them to dial down the skankitude, it would be pointless given the general cultural trends that determine aesthetic.

        No, the only way to communicate cause and effect is to withdraw our one-way chivalry (white knighthood), as they asked, but to withdraw it in a full enough measure to redirect social behavior. Cringing and apologetic half-steps — what you mistake as “Christian restraint” — are worse than doing nothing: they prop up a foundering behemoth that would have collapsed of its own feminine obesity years ago.

        The young are innocent about the deluge that’s coming. I am not encouraging their comeuppance, necessarily. I am directing the inevitable chaos to better ends. After all the lies their mothers told them, they have no idea how the male id functions. They are about to find out. They are beginning to find out, thanks to places like these.

        The rules of civilization are a flimsy artifice, worn down to the nub by noxious feminist play-pretend. Pick-up is a holy weapon when guided by right principle. If the nomos slaughters souls by policy, then we take arms against what oppresses us. In that case, “antinomian” is synonymous with “revolutionary,” and the revolution has already begun.

        Matt

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 10:55 am King A (Matthew King)

        (obvious erratum: “they are the complete” should read “they are not the complete”)

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 11:15 pm Firepower

      loveknoxxz

      Firepower is absolutely correct with this one,after banging this cumbucket twice and raw dog, which was a completely fucktard move mind you. Nothing she says about IHAB is of any concern or even relevant… Dude, pump and dump if you’re going to be a “player”, “lady killer”, “seducer”, or what have you.

      Indeed. The Method is clear: To practice what we preach, it is best not to pay attention to what females say.

      Only, what they do.

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  44. on May 1, 2012 at 6:48 pm Bigfoot

    “right” is a great reply.
    I have the habit of creating replies that are too long.

    I have to stick with one word replies for the next few weeks.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 8:30 pm Harcourt Mudd

      I was doing fine with long, detailed messages (full of wit and teasing, though) recently. But the girl was giving me back the same, even sometimes with one-liners. So I figured she should be somewhat rewarded. It can work but the girl really has to be into texting in a conversational way.

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  45. on May 1, 2012 at 7:28 pm Laconophile

    I’d go with a “cute”

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    • on May 3, 2012 at 12:51 am Anonymous

      Same here. Followed with the same “Next time you buy the drinks” as a riposte.

      The women may think, “I have a boyfriend,” is a good way to cut things off. Thing is, I don’t buy it as being anything other than an excuse there- they DID screw you after all… If they cared all that much about said boyfriend in anything other than a Poly/Open relationship, they’d not have allowed themselves to be bedded like that. Seriously.

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  46. on May 1, 2012 at 8:52 pm Anonymous

    He already hit it with this girl.
    Response to her flaking is text:
    Sex was 6/10

    then move on..

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    • on May 3, 2012 at 12:53 am Anonymous

      Another good play if you’re wanting to twit ’em before ditchin’ them.

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  47. on May 1, 2012 at 9:25 pm walawala

    A girl I game sent back a text in response to mine: “you are boring”

    I didn’t have a response and it got me wondering what she meant.

    Then I realized she was gaming me.

    “you are boring” would be a great response to the IHAB text.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 9:43 pm corvinus

      “LOL if you want to b.s. about shoes and shopping, I’m sure there are a few fags around who will oblige you”

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 10:26 pm Lara

      “Are you one of those girls who needs to be entertained all the time?”

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 2:35 am martaj1618

      I’d say – ” go fetch”

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 12:34 pm Trebuchet Warrior

      I am snoring. Tomorrow babe.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 4:21 pm chi-town

      “I am not even erect “

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 5:01 pm itsme

      “you are boring” would be a great response to the IHAB text.

      i’d trim that down to just ‘boring’, or, even better, ‘zzzzzz’.

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 12:55 am Anonymous

        Another great response would be “Lame…”

        Her line, after all, is one of the oldest plays in the books to get rid of the guy when she feels “remorse” for having had sex with him and now she wants him gone.

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  48. on May 1, 2012 at 9:26 pm boxwino

    I like “right” “i dont care” “precious” “gay” “next 100 rounds are on you” etc

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 12:33 pm Trebuchet Warrior

      “I don’t care” = “Yes. Yes. I fuckin care. I’m weepin inside”
      Next 100 rounds on you……. nah! Too wordy.

      Greater Beta

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 12:58 am Anonymous

        Lame/Gay/Cute are probably the best return volleys on something like this. Short, sweet, to the point, and cruelly accurate at the same time.

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  49. on May 1, 2012 at 9:50 pm Tom

    Why is it mentioned that she is white in this?

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 10:27 pm Anon

      he may be black and implying that white hos crave the bbc, especially when they cheat on their boyfriends.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 12:53 am Anonymous

        $100 your a cuckold

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 8:27 am Anon

        Nay, it’s just that he may be trying to perpetuate the cuckold fetish crap.
        I don’t mind being a bull though. Cheating gfs are hot.

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 12:59 am Anonymous

        Yes and no, on the cheating gfs… Some of them…to quote Robin WIlliams…”I won’t go in there without a wetsuit and a mining helmet…”

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 12:31 pm Trebuchet Warrior

        you’re. Call yourself a man? I weep for you.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 10:39 pm Lara

      I think because her text is in ebonics.

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 10:49 pm Harcourt Mudd

      Because of how she texted “I don’t romance nobody” etc.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 7:53 am JJ

        I thought see was a fan of “Firefly”

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  50. on May 1, 2012 at 10:03 pm Joose

    “fap fap fap fap fap”

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  51. on May 1, 2012 at 10:03 pm Alki (@Alki_holic)

    I replied before I read any of the advice on here. For those who are interested, here is the resulting conversation. I went, uh, a little too raunchy and was too eager. I thought she’d be into it after how she was in bed. Good lessons for the future when it might matter.

    Her: “IHABF we are not doing that again text”
    (90mins later) Me: I hope not. that stubble hurt
    (13 mins later)Her: Well I wasn’t plannin on havin sex my bad
    (28 mins later)Her: Didn’t stop you from goin there three times
    (60 mins later)Me: youre waxing before 4
    (3 mins)Her: What do you think is going to happen?
    (0 mins)Her: Nvm you and I are not fucking

    [in the future, I should just stop here and say nothing / right / huh?. But I felt like I was doing good so I ran for it and fumbled the ball]

    (60 mins)Me: i think i’d bend you over
    (14 mins)Her: I’m done with this conversation
    (30 mins)Me: is that what you really want?
    (19 mins) Her: Yea, its not happening
    (20 mins)Me: cool

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 4:34 pm Harcourt Mudd

      alki,

      You aren’t in the midwest are you?

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 9:06 pm Alki (@Alki_holic)

        Nope.

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    • on May 3, 2012 at 1:02 am Anonymous

      You didn’t just fumble the ball, you tripped over your own feet, faceplanted, and flung the ball down-field.

      A simple “Cute” if you wanted to try to salvage it would’ve sufficed.

      It’s the oldest line in the book and it’s cute, lame, AND gay- almost all at the same time. IF she actually cared about said “boyfriend” she’d have not placed herself in a position to have been bedded by you. Seriously.

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  52. on May 1, 2012 at 10:04 pm Joose

    “or”

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  53. on May 1, 2012 at 10:10 pm 357

    I feel like a fucking idiot.

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  54. on May 1, 2012 at 10:15 pm Joose

    “maje”
    “when”
    “rave”
    “there”
    “ergo”
    “light”
    “coke”
    “after”
    “steel”
    “veep”

    any ambiguous 1 word reply punctuated by eternal omertic silence works in any such situation…just ask james joyce

    texts are like rorschach diagrams..women see in them what they need

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  55. on May 1, 2012 at 10:18 pm Joose

    and if they are sending you any text at all — initiating — your first presumption should be that they are interested in you. otherwise they would not text you. women do not really have love and hate; they just have interest and disinterest. so once you have interest, send them a rorschach test and they will turn interest into action

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  56. on May 1, 2012 at 10:32 pm Joose

    note that you can achieve economies of ambiguity by repeating the same word multiple times eg “fap fap fap” or “maje maje” without increasing try hard betamax or asshurtedness — because the only weakness of a 1 word response is seeming curt and pissy

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    • on May 3, 2012 at 1:07 am Anonymous

      Heh… I’d willingly be “curt” in light of a line like that from a woman after bedding her. She has it coming for reaching for the IHAB line- it’s one of the older plays in the female playbook and in this day and age it doesn’t work (If you actually cared about the man, you’d NOT have placed yourself in a position to be bedded by me, woman…). All it does is faintly piss me off when it’s given to me this way.

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  57. on May 1, 2012 at 10:37 pm Joose

    the only thing that increases try hard betamax is to attempt to convey meaning — to attempt to convince or sway

    a one word answer avoids try hard betamax but risks asshurtedness
    but repeating the same word has the risk of appearing weird or chaotic

    therefore the arts of logical elimination lead me to recommend the optimal response in this case — combine two ambiguous words into a meaningless phrase: “ergo fap”

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 1:20 am anon

      you know, this whole IHAb is an evasion, a lie, a justification on the part of teh girl. Her communication to you is an attempt to communicate that you’re clingy? She’s not looking for that in you. Anything try hard on your part is a reinforcement of that idea that you aren’t bf material. But silence is too give-uppy and you may as well have LJBF yourself. So maybe something dismissive is better, like “really?” or “we don’t work”

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      • on May 3, 2012 at 1:09 am Anonymous

        There’s another good one-word response to the IHAB line. You honestly want something at least faintly dismissive as a response to the line- and the more curt seeming it is, the better because it’s being used as an evasion at the least.

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  58. on May 1, 2012 at 10:44 pm Joose

    i also applaud the person above who suggested ” . “

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    • on May 1, 2012 at 10:48 pm Joose

      although the obvious interpretation of that is “the end” so perhaps ” , ” or ” : ” or ” & ” or ” * ” or ” ] ” is better

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  59. on May 1, 2012 at 10:52 pm Joose

    whenever i need linguistic or syntactical inspiration i turn to the written work of james deen — http://jamesdeenblog.com/ (very NSFW)

    the conversational way he writes his blog posts, which are directed to the 2000+ women he has fucked as well as his legions of teenage female fans [citation – http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/james-deen-wholesome-boy-door-porns-hottest-star/story?id=15499092 ], is a great model for how to speak/text to women

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  60. on May 1, 2012 at 10:56 pm TheB-FlowAltar

    “right” is definitely acceptable. But I think the best response is no response. If one is using the ‘abundance mentality’ then just close the text string and move on to the next girl in your Contacts list. Maybe this girl be glad not to hear from you again, or maybe she’ll wonder why you found her so disposable and forgettable. Would an alpha give a shit either way? Would it even cross his mind?

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  61. on May 1, 2012 at 11:09 pm EvilWhitey

    I personally like “lol” but I’d add “lol k”

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  62. on May 1, 2012 at 11:16 pm Anonymous

    You can just not respond, and hit her up later when you want to fuck her.

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  63. on May 1, 2012 at 11:25 pm Anonymous

    A Devious Reply To “I Have A Boyfriend”
    – “does he know that”

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 12:33 pm Rick Derris

      Brilliant!!!

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  64. on May 1, 2012 at 11:33 pm moop

    in this case, she gave you something to work with. You can ignore the last part of her text and do some Roosh style babbling about romance instead, like “really u don’t like romance?” or whatever. Anything the change the subject without addressing it at all.

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  65. on May 1, 2012 at 11:33 pm Nil Gaith

    I think ‘okay’ is a brilliant reply to that sort of thing.

    I was banging a girl, stopped talking to her for a week, she engaged me again via txt, attempted to get her over for another go, she said ‘im in a relationship now’ I said okay, no full stop or capital o.. She was over the next day fucking like a mad dog

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 12:28 pm Trebuchet Warrior

      For “okay” to work it depends on how much of an alpha you are.
      You’re either a troll or a Higher Alpha. If its the latter good on ya, mate.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 8:11 pm Nil Faith

        Im sure age has alot to do with it, young girls being even more moronic than mid 20s girls, I should have stated that both me and her are 18.

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  66. on May 2, 2012 at 12:07 am Anonymous

    Off topic, but this needs to be written about/addressed immediately before it becomes too late:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_present

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 6:33 am Jt

      Never heard of this before and today it’s in the wsj. Sounds ridiculous.

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    • on May 3, 2012 at 2:55 am Anonymous

      Please, God, make it stop before we’re all poor.

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  67. on May 2, 2012 at 12:24 am Anonymous

    Her: “I have a boyfriend”
    Him: “So do I”

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 9:39 am Stingray

      This is hysterical.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 11:15 am King A (Matthew King)

      Gender-dysmorphic Killers game:

      This is the soundtrack to this website. Aggressive and sung in a manly way, but with a latent skeezy metrosexual luster. $100 this is a track in Heartiste’s iTunes.

      Matt

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 2:14 pm Anonymous

      This is good. Have you tried it? I have always wanted to say: “Me too. We have so much in common” Would that work?

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    • on May 3, 2012 at 1:15 am Anonymous

      ROFLMDAO!

      You, sir, are a Master of The Wrong!

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  68. on May 2, 2012 at 12:39 am Slayer

    Perfect response for 90% of female bullshit:

    “So?”

    Easy to remember, simply said, and reframes the dynamic so that her rationalization hamster will have to work overtime while she attempts to explain herself.

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  69. on May 2, 2012 at 12:50 am 357

    Alpha of the YEAR!!!

    “It is true, I am married. What people don’t know is the reason I got married. I love him and he is my best friend. Judge all you want about the age difference. It wont matter. He is not my advisor, teacher, employer, and has no say in my grades at MSU”

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/65-year-old-dinosaur-expert-marries-19-year-old-student/

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    • on May 3, 2012 at 2:54 am Anonymous

      He shoots, he scores.

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  70. on May 2, 2012 at 2:18 am Asad

    I got this from City of Men, or the series that followed.

    “I have a boyfriend.”
    “I’m not jealous.”

    Never tried it over the phone though, suspect it would be new to her.

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  71. on May 2, 2012 at 2:30 am el_chief

    “nice. call me saturday”

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 4:27 pm Firepower

      fail

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  72. on May 2, 2012 at 3:15 am Serenety

    “Indubitably”

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  73. on May 2, 2012 at 5:05 am Phoenix

    It honestly doesn’t matter what she says.

    MY choice would be to IGNORE what she just said and set the date. And fuck her again.

    “What happened Saturday will never happen again” = too bad, she’s not the decision maker. It already happened twice, it’ll keep going.

    The boyfriend line = she downgraded herself to total trashy slut. Pump n dump.

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  74. on May 2, 2012 at 8:56 am Trebuchet Warrior

    My immodest 2 cents:

    1.Yeah?

    2.And?

    3.History always repeats itself, little one.

    4.Omigod. Noo wayy 🙂 🙂

    5.Its alright Martha. (if her name isn’t Martha)

    6.Chigga Chigga chaaa

    7.Podi thevdiaaa munda (abuse in a different language)

    8.gay (i don’t like “gay”. But its a good staple option.)

    9.You may not know this. But I have aids.

    10. I gotta tell you this
    “Mothafucking bitch I’ma kill your boyfriend. Don’t you have values? You just rawdog strangers?? Does your mamma know who your daddy is?? Or is she as slutty as you are. Slut. SLUUTTTT. FUCKING TWO FACED AMORAL BITCH. BIAAAATCH. I cuckolded your boyfriend That makes him a LOSERRRRR. You fuckin slut did you gimme an STD?? What is you mamma doin. Can I make you a little sister. Does your mama like that?? HUh?? Cmon. Is your vagina a faucet for alphas to hump their semen in. Did you drool over every cock like you did over mine. You must have some amoral mamma. Your mamma must be a fuckin whore. A cumguzzler. A doorknob everyone has a turn with? Eh?”
    .
    Lol just kiddin babe. Bye. Lets just be friends

    No.10 is not for the fainthearted.

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  75. on May 2, 2012 at 10:03 am pdwalker

    Off topic, but of interest:

    Bride ‘raped’ by husband on wedding night.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2138229/Bride-raped-husband-wedding-night-court-told.html

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 2:31 pm Anon

      ‘”unable to accept comments for legal reasons”

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    • on May 3, 2012 at 2:53 am Anonymous

      Probably: I don’t want to have sex (with you… you’re best man, though… )

      What would make him so pissed-off as to do that?

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  76. on May 2, 2012 at 12:22 pm Trebuchet Warrior

    David Letterman presents top 10 alpha responses to the IHBF flake
    Heere we go,

    1.yeah?
    2.history always repeats, little one
    3.and?
    4.google “christopher henry gayle”
    5.carpe diem babe. start studying for your exams.
    6.My dear, you’re my sister. nothing like some old fashioned incest
    7.Podi thevidiya munda (or any abuse of any non-english language of your choice)
    8.lets just be friends
    9.gay (i don’t like “gay”, its too passive aggressive. But its a staple food)
    10.*nothing*

    Fuck it, in fact No.10 should be No.1.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 12:31 pm Rick Derris

      I love #8!!!!

      Andrew Dice Clay had a good reply to IHABF: “Hey . . . I’m done”

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  77. on May 2, 2012 at 12:58 pm Backdoor Man

    Off topic, but WTF??????

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/tanning-booth-mom-says-arrest-taking-daughter-5-153138630.html

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 4:24 pm chi-town

      Its on topic, under: the price of failure

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  78. on May 2, 2012 at 1:35 pm George

    “”Girls” is female id on display. “You’re supposed to do what you want and piss me off, that’s what MEN do!” She been reading my blog?”

    The second is saw that I knew where it came from. Judd Apatow is one of the producers so maybe we can expect more along that theme in mainstrem comedy.
    The latest episode shows something along the line of “When I fuck you the first time, you’ll be scared a bit – cause I am a man – and I know how to do stuff”. And that coming frome a guy who’s short and nothing much to look at – but dominant!

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 2:43 pm itsme

      yeah, that was textbook alpha. it wasn’t just about what he says, but how he says it – his body language and tonality.

      when they’re introduced to each other by someone else at the art gallery, he barely even acknowledges her existence.

      just before the ‘fuck you the first time’ bit, this exchange takes place:

      her: i feel like i should tell you that i’m not going to kiss you
      him: why would you think that i would want to kiss you?
      …
      him (walking right up into her personal space causing her to back up against a railing, his face six inches away from hers, maintaining steady eye contact):
      but i want you to know…
      him: the first time i fuck you
      him: i might scare you a little
      him: because i’m a man, and i know how to do things
      (long pregnant pause)
      him: see you later
      he turns and walks away.

      moments later, she returns to the art gallery bathroom and starts fingering herself.

      it should be of no surprise to anyone here that this girl is already in a relationship with some uberbeta schlub whom she doesn’t even enjoy fucking…

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  79. on May 2, 2012 at 2:42 pm Manana

    I’ve got a question about body language. I am 6’7″ so its hard to avoid the urge to lean in when someone is talking to me, especially in a loud place.

    Advice?

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 4:46 pm Phoenix

      Advice is this:
      Go to a quiet spot in the club, if there is one. Lead her there by having her follow you. Sit down and have her talk to you in your ear.

      Another option – take hold of her hand and exit the loud place. Go somewhere less crowded and more quiet. Pretty much an insta-date. If she has friends with her, have her tell them that “We’ll be back in a few minutes”. If you’re having a good time together, she won’t be going back to her friends.

      3rd option – get her digits. When you’re about to leave, text her up and invite her to go get food or make the bold move by inviting her back to your place to chill and talk. If she wants to come over, with no resistance whatsoever, I’m guessing she wants dick. Expect her to decline, to which you attempt to see her on another day to hang out.

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  80. on May 2, 2012 at 3:36 pm Harcourt Mudd

    ITSME

    “harcourt,

    you said it yourself, you want more than a one night stand, and this girl did and said all the right things to make you think that she’s not just some random slut.

    you are being blinded by your oneitis.

    alphas don’t commit to sluts.”

    Ain’t they all sluts these days? The last girl of any great consequence to me dated someone else within the first two weeks I knew her but that came to an end (as did mine.) She was not greatly experienced having two really long-term relationships?

    Where does one find these mythical good girls? Having had a number of candid conversations with women and men, I despair of finding any outside of maybe Mormons or Muslims.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 4:06 pm itsme

      two long term relationships doesn’t make a girl a slut. in fact, not having one or two serious relationships by the time she’s in her mid-20s is a serious red flag. but being asscocked and butthexed by different guys several times a week during or between the two long term relationships makes her a slut.

      look through heartsie’s archives for slut tell posts.

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      • on May 2, 2012 at 5:32 pm Harcourt Mudd

        Sorry, that’s what I meant. The girl who had ten years of relationship time was NOT a slut but I know she fooled around with a guy within a week or two of meeting me. After that, we were exclusive (well, as far as I could ever tell.)

        I was just meaning that even a girl who fools around at the beginning of a relationship with someone else may not be a full-on slut if you end up becoming exclusive. I would PREFER they not sleep with anyone else when they are with me at first but like it was said, they need three vigorous bangs before they get attached.

        I definitely had more than that with this most recent girl, which is maybe why I felt like there was more there.

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    • on May 2, 2012 at 8:47 pm Anon

      Alphas, throughout history, only committed to virgins.
      I laugh at modern men who get married to damaged goods.

      For LTRs though, 1 or 2 past boyfriends may be half-OK, but even girls like that don’t deserve the full transcendent immortal love that only males can feel (no clinging or beta shit, always keep it alpha).

      IOW, between 98 and 99.9% modern early 20s chicks are totally unfit for marriage and unworthy of the fullest form of male love.

      Get over it.

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  81. on May 2, 2012 at 4:10 pm Phoenix

    Her: I have a boyfriend
    Me: That’s fine. He’ll give you something to do when I’m not around.

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  82. on May 2, 2012 at 5:34 pm Numberwang

    Not strictly related to anything in the post/thread, but this was way too funny not to share with you all:
    http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/t38pj/am_i_the_only_person_who_hates_being_single_so/

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  83. on May 2, 2012 at 7:06 pm anonymous

    http://imgur.com/joSeo

    left side contains the best answer.

    from /r9k/ of all places.

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  84. on May 2, 2012 at 7:56 pm jironghrad

    All I can say to this is dear God: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137420/Woman-48-sex-boy-13-TWICE-week-TWO-years.html

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    • on May 3, 2012 at 1:24 am Anonymous

      Oh…where in the HELL is the brain-bleach??

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  85. on May 2, 2012 at 9:48 pm Serenety

    Bitched can and will justify anything

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/married-men-are-better-boyfriends/story-fn907478-1226308661699

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  86. on May 2, 2012 at 9:52 pm Serenety

    and the laughs keep coming

    http://www.perthnow.com.au/the-sex-column/story-fn6o0xxk-1226208288509

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  87. on May 3, 2012 at 2:46 am Anonymous

    Lame. Bring da movies.

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  88. on May 3, 2012 at 5:47 am JT

    I think it was here some time ago that I read the best reply to “I have a boyfriend” :

    I don’t care

    (although I also liked “so does my girlfriend”)

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  89. on May 3, 2012 at 6:23 am tspark156

    Does anyone here remember the name of the clever dude who said ” history has repeatedly demonstrated that nothing is often a clever thing to do, and always a clever thing to say” ?.

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    • on May 3, 2012 at 3:32 pm Anon

      Will Durant

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 4:48 am tspark156

        Cheers dude

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  90. on May 4, 2012 at 7:57 am GeishaKate

    Wow, King. That was a wealth of information. Thank you. “Strong women are essentially unattractive. It inspires the kind of revulsion that women have for omegas, soft and timid and ladylike, in a word, weak.” This should seem obvious, and, upon reflection, I guess it is. But, if what repels me is weakeness, it seems “natural” to assume it is repellent to men as well, but you are saying it isn’t; in fact, its the opposite.

    I’m not asking you to respond to this, although you can if you want, but it seems there’s a fine line between showing weakness/vulnerability and being needy/a victim. And, really, I think it depends on the man how weakness is going to be viewed. Without getting into my life story, suffice it to say weakness has almost never brought about the kind of protection you are describing with the major players in my life. Minor ones, yes. It says much about the person whether they kick or help the weak. I also think in our technology laden world, we see less vulnerability simply because we are seeing less of each other to begin with. How often do relationships end over text or email where the emotional reaction is completely cloaked.

    “They want some indication that you possess something that requires protecting and that you can’t do it yourself.” “Whatever tells the man that 1) you are valuable enough to need protection, and 2) you can only be protected by that man alone.” Worth repeating.

    My favorite literary and British couple! But of course Helena had to come along. “When I said I would die a bachelor, I did not think I should live till I were married.”- Benedick (a pretty clever name for him, don’t you think?)

    Your ideal certainly sounds lovely.

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 11:44 am King A (Matthew King)

      Strength in weakness is the lady’s art. Mastering this zen paradox is not a straightforward proficiency, like all manly arts. It is passive and outwardly contradictory. The key to it is the Beatrice approach — you display intelligence and strength within a manageable context, relative to the man you are attracting. Sometimes that is a considerable strength.

      Maybe the word “strength” isn’t a precise enough term. It is more about directness vs indirectness, action vs passivity. You can be strongly passive, like a stone, displaying serenity in the midst of activity all around you. Or you can be weakly active, flailing about impotently to no effect. When in doubt, think about it sexually: the man acts, the woman is acted upon. And just as this active-passive division of labor does not always apply during sex, it does not always apply in the non-sexual realm either. But its essence is defined by the typical dynamic of complementary effort: man is gas pedal, woman is brake.

      Abject helplessness and ineptitude are not necessarily attractive in a woman. They are attractive insofar as they are an expression of your irreducible femininity rather than an indication of irresponsibility or neglect. We are happy to be the only ones in the house able to open the sticky jar lid or to kill the spider. We don’t want you to have muscular forearms or a gross familiarity with creepy-crawlies. You need to indicate comfort with your female essence, which is weak in comparison to the masculine essence, which translates into a comfort with your essential, relative weakness.

      “[W]eakness has almost never brought about the kind of protection you are describing.” You grew up in a feminist age in which a man’s offer of protection is regarded as an insult by your sisters. Further, despite our protective instinct, there are still greater worldly temptations to the opposite, namely, exploitation and abuse. It is not enough to advertise your weakness until a Knight in Shining Armor picks up your kerchief. You are a part of a society and an ideology that insisted on eliminating all traces of knighthood/chivalry, leaving you at the mercy of exploiters and abusers (Hello, PUAsphere!).

      Good news: they haven’t denatured us completely yet. And they never will. So seek out the men who understand what it means to be a man, despite the century of propaganda into which they were born. Those men are not abashed about their manhood, which means they will be attracted to women who are similarly unabashed about their femininity. This forum is a club where men can speak freely about becoming reacquainted with the manly essence we’ve been taught to fear and be ashamed of. You may be surprised at the attention you will get by reacquainting yourself with the unique idiosyncrasies of womanhood.

      How exactly to do that? I dunno. Get together with other smart women like Stingray and exchange tips from the field, the way PUAs have been doing since the early days of the internet. I keep telling Stingray to band the hens together for an online trial-and-error clearinghouse. “Hooking Up Smart” is one attempt, I think, but with mixed results. The best I can tell you is to be comfortable in service (not necessarily servility) to men, to be eager to demonstrate your ability in that regard (like football rally girls), while simultaneously indicating you aren’t an easily-achieved pushover slut. Good luck!

      Matt

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 12:34 pm Stingray

        I have been considering it King A, though I am not sure I have the fortitude to create a blog specifically aimed at women. The patience it would require of me would be more than I could handle, I think. For better or worse I am far more comfortable in the company of men and I would need to drive a blog toward them as well for my own sanity (and enjoyment). (Women reading this, do not take offense. This has been my case since I was a very little girl). I am not quite sure how this could work. My husband and I were discussing it just last night.

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 1:02 pm Lara

        I generally like an even mix of men and women. I like it when other women comment on here. Too much of one gender isn’t as good a dynamic.

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 1:12 pm Stingray

        Most of the women here who comment regularly I would be able to converse with very well. Women commenting here is good and even necessary I think, so I definitely agree with you. If I did begin my own blog and it became mostly female though, I would have great difficulty with it. I would lose my direction. This is why I would somehow need to direct it at both sexes.

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 6:41 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Constructing a female version of this forum is a much harder task than the PUA’s for two reasons.

        1) Women have nothing but a nagging, semi-conscious instinct to rebel against feminism, easily ignored in the face of so much outward XX-boosterism, whereas men are more easily convinced to gather in places like these to discuss the reigning tyranny. It’s a hard sell to women. “Feminism is good for us! It’s right there in the name!”

        2) Men simply have a greater aptitude and desire to analyze, catalogue, and confer with each other about generalized social diseases like feminism. Women are not problem solvers or great students of cause and effect. They are better equipped for psychological chess games, rumor, gossip, and innuendo. They personalize the matter to understand it, and with personality comes politics.

        Still, a female anti-feminism would be a tremendous assist during these transitional years. Not just for the credibility angle, but to remind us all about the kind of woman we are fighting for. It is tempting to think the cute skank and the ugly shrike are the only two categories available to modern women, and that a well-adjusted femininity is impossible to balance.

        I don’t blame you for not taking up the task. It is truly thankless and very often seems pointless. If you do it, start out small and personal, publicize your simple experiences and offer your observations. It doesn’t have to be world-beating. It just has to be enough to attract a certain kind of reader, who, in a well-moderated forum, can take over the function of spreading the wisdom.

        Of course you wouldn’t restrict it to just women any more than Heartiste restricts this place to men. We aren’t leftist quota queens. But the idea is to discuss the unique strategies of women attempting to navigate a soon-to-be post-feminist world, and that would attract a distaff audience.

        Matt

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 8:15 pm GeishaKate

        Hey! Finally got my replies working again. The most important thing about running a blog or forum is having control over replies, etc. Classroom management, as it were. I’ve been through two virtual “wars” (I’m not kidding when I say this) on women’s forums and they get nasty. I lurked this afternoon at one where I was once a participant and near the top of the threads was one titled “How to Spot a Misogynist.” For a split-second I imagined unleashing the posters here on these women who nearly drove me to insanity, but,…I couldn’t.

        “to remind us all about the kind of woman we are fighting for”- King
        This is what its all about!!!

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 9:04 pm Stingray

        Holy crap, GeishaKate, I just read that article you were referring to and what a bunch of emotional crap. Not one ounce of logic. There is no way I would try to engage those women. They are there to listen to each other preach and for no other reason, whatsoever. I have less than zero interest in women like that.

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 10:11 pm carolyn

        GK–good luck with your initiative. i predict your blog will be a success, given its bright and articulate hostess. sigh…i’d love to introduce my dr. son to you. you’d marry and make beautiful babies. (i can dream.) also, free pelvics!!

        king a–‘Women are not problem solvers or great students of cause and effect’

        i’m going to have to go all NAWALT on you. but generally, what you say is true. dammit. to my own great social disadvantage, i’ve had no tolerance for other women’s intrigues, drama, and subtle power plays. and i do have a more analytic bent, male-like as someone pointed out here. and so i ask you–what would be the role of such women in a rolled back culture? no snark, i’m honestly interested in your take.

        keep in mind i’m a boomer that wound up being a SAHM, while realizing feminism for the most part was probably founded by and caters to women with my type of brain.

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 2:21 pm GeishaKate

        LOL Thanks very much, carolyn! 🙂 You’ve forgotten that I am older than dirt, geographically challenged, and probably done procreating 🙂

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      • on May 5, 2012 at 10:03 am GeishaKate

        I’d be surprised if we were talking about the exact same women, but, probably what you saw was fairly typical. I’m starting to think I’M a mysogynist! lol But, really, what it is is a distaste for a certain cocktail of ignorance and arrogance. The closer one gets to the light, the harder it gets to see back into the cave. But we all started somewhere. I think if you can bring a few people along you’ve been more than successful and I think a blog is a great idea. One other quick thing: be careful to guard your own femininity- even spirit- if you find yourself around those types of women because when you are constantly on the defensive and in conflict, its not healthy and pushes you into a masculine role. Gosh, I sound all doom and gloom, but that’s not my intent. If there’s anything I can do to help, let me know 🙂

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      • on May 5, 2012 at 10:53 pm King A (Matthew King)

        GeishaKate wrote:

        I’ve been through two virtual “wars” (I’m not kidding when I say this) on women’s forums and they get nasty. I lurked this afternoon at one where I was once a participant and […] For a split-second I imagined unleashing the posters here on these women who nearly drove me to insanity, but … I couldn’t.

        Courage, sister-in-arms. You don’t have to convert them; they can’t be converted. Yours is not to win the victory. Yours is to proclaim it. Be firm in your conviction, be consistent, and above all, be joyful.

        Always be prepared to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence; and keep your conscience clear, so that, when you are abused, those who revile your good behavior … may be put to shame.

        After awhile, the haters become exhausted. They blur together into an amorphous gray, their responses blend into predictable regurgitated pabulum. When they are ready to hear the truth, they will remember you. They will seek you out. Just make yourself available whenever they find the courage. You can give them the wisdom, but you can’t give them the will.

        Matt

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  91. on May 4, 2012 at 8:30 am Stingray

    King A said: But I am convinced there is an ideal that combines both approaches while paradoxically keeping them in tension, a tension that creates conflict, the conflict whose regularly recurring resolution provides the momentum for sustained romance.

    Sure. Though I am not sure both are achieved simultaneously, rather a couple learns to weave in and out of both as needed throughout the relationship (often several times a day). I think it takes time to develop this and it is something that one will continue to learn throughout the years and will never stop learning it even after several decades of marriage.

    There is also a third approach, though I think it is one that is very seldom used. For lack of a better term, I would call it the mother-son dynamic and it is to be mostly reserved for those times of utter grief (loss of a family member, etc.)

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 12:12 pm King A (Matthew King)

      I am not sure both are achieved simultaneously, rather a couple learns to weave in and out of both as needed throughout the relationship (often several times a day).

      Yes, that was my implication. Romance is a symphony, sometimes fast and lively, sometimes slow and ponderous, but all instrumentation deployed in the service of a single idea. Conflict is not the enemy of romance — as the notoriety of “make-up sex” clearly indicates. Managed conflict is the engine of a larger-than-life relationship, which is why so many couples contrive soap operatic drama when there is nothing really wrong.

      The tension between father-protector and mate-lover is the archetype for managed internal conflict. It can never be neatly resolved, or else the romance would devolve into something like serene siblinghood (which many couples use successfully as they ride out their later years in fidelity). Don’t be so sure the two poles cannot be pursued “simultaneously” among more sophisticated and honest people. Consider how the simultaneous pursuit is often attempted crudely through sexual roleplay, spanking, etc.

      “Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh.” The husband becomes the new father of a new household (“when I became a man, I gave up childish ways”), providing the daughterly needs no woman, in contrast, ever truly grows out of. Nor should she grow out of such needs — i.e., become a man, as feminism insists — because the demands of motherhood are so total that the family risks disintegration in a woman’s misguided and mannish pursuit of independence.

      I have zero experience with the mother-son dynamic in terms of peer relationships, so maybe you could flesh out your “third way” some more. Even my relationship with my mother started becoming father-daughterly around the moment I grew taller than her. Men who remain in thrall to matronly authority become gay. I have an unequivocal respect for the matron who made me into a man, but coming of age means no longer having any need for hierarchical mothering. She did her job, and now she is under my care.

      Matt

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 5:05 pm Stingray

        I have zero experience with the mother-son dynamic in terms of peer relationships, so maybe you could flesh out your “third way” some more. Even my relationship with my mother started becoming father-daughterly around the moment I grew taller than her. Men who remain in thrall to matronly authority become gay. I have an unequivocal respect for the matron who made me into a man, but coming of age means no longer having any need for hierarchical mothering. She did her job, and now she is under my care.

        It’s as it should be that your dynamic changed with your mother. You were becoming a man. It is her job to aid you in doing that. That means she must let herself be cared for by you (and she will want to as well). My son is four and I let him game the sh*t out of me and draw the line where it needs to be drawn as he need to mind me. But I am very conscious of letting him be a boy. Obviously, my husband will teach him to be a man, but I will do my part as best I can.

        Let me see if I can expand on the mother son dynamic in a marriage. Please bear with me as I have not given this much thought so my ability to explain it will be hindered. I think there are two types: one contrived and one true. The one that is contrived would be seen where the woman is the head of a family. These women are often seen “mothering” their husbands. Meh, it’s not what I originally was talking about but I guess it bears mentioning.

        The second kind, the true dynamic, I believe happens very rarely in times of incredible grief or maybe even stress. As an example, a man loses a father whom he is very close with. While this man may be the head of the family, for a time, if he is fortunate enough to have a good wife, he will be able to turn to her for comfort and release during this time. By release I mean a brief letting go of his duties. He will entrust them to her while he grieves and she will care for him and his duties utterly as any mother would do for her son. This, I do not believe, will be any kind of breach of contract, if you will, as the wife will know, beyond doubt, that when he is finished with the worst of his grieving, he will return to his rightful place.

        All men will stumble. It is the wife’s job to nurse his wounds and get him back on the field where he belongs. Women have power and I believe this is one of them. Most are just too ignorant to see it for what it is.

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 7:25 pm King A (Matthew King)

        By release I mean a brief letting go of his duties. He will entrust them to her while he grieves and she will care for him and his duties utterly as any mother would do for her son.

        I see what you mean. I don’t think it has to be a temporary dynamic so much as a circumstantial/situational dynamic, i.e., within spheres of influence. Matronly authority can extend to the patron in the home. She is queen of the oikos, the expert, and the contextual authority (see: subsidiary). She is the chief-enlisted sergeant to her man’s platoon-leader lieutenant.

        Men are properly clueless about domestic order; his focus is on how his household relates to the world, not about the internal systems that keep the oikos viable. It is no shame, indeed it is a rightly ordered necessity, for him to defer to the woman inside the auspices of her direct jurisdiction. “You are having some soup and turning in for the night, mister! You look like death.”

        Of course women should be able to step in and serve pro tempore when necessity calls, as you say above in the case of extreme circumstances. But this is a very different thing from mothering, which is a superior-inferior relationship. She is not mothering her husband so much as temporarily playing father, with an emphasis on the temporary. The ship can move along smooth waters for a limited time with a pilot, but it cannot accomplish its overall mission without its captain.

        I come from a strong family, which came from two strong families, and I understand this is a relatively rare background these days. But the matrons in my life were quite impressive, and no one would mistake them for weak, and none of the men were beta. They had a division of labor passed onto them which they all instinctively understood and executed smoothly.

        Matt

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  92. on May 4, 2012 at 1:11 pm GeishaKate

    @Stingray: I should have my site done in mid-June, but its an emotional support site for men. If you’re interested in being a geisha, let me know:) I can’t be bothered with most women either. One thing I’ve learned as a teacher is that there is nothing more challenging and frustrating than trying to impart what you love (literature, in my case) to people who, for the most part, have very little appreciation for it. My adventures in the online world have ranged from heart-warming to threatening. If you do create a blog, I’m sure you already know this, safety first! There are a lot of nuts out there.

    @King: Good luck, indeed! Thanks for the link. That does look interesting. I have quite a long list of books and sites people have recommended for me and maybe at some point in the future I’ll have another renaissance like this, but I’ve been at this self-disovery stuff for four years now. Guess what? I found myself! lol Its graduation time 🙂

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 1:23 pm Stingray

      Kate,

      Thank you. Safety and privacy are two things that are holding me back actually. I have a family. Also, I am not sure I could do a blog the way I would like without divulging personal information that is not my place to divulge. Anyway, thanks again.

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 6:59 pm King A (Matthew King)

      …it’s an emotional support site for men.

      WTF?

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 7:15 pm GeishaKate

        What do you mean, WTF? Do you have any idea how many men there are out there who need female attention in a non-sexual sense? Its overwhelming and there’s only so much you can do for free, especially when you have a day job.

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      • on May 5, 2012 at 10:41 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Well, I’d start off by calling it something other than an “emotional support site for men.” That sounds like a tears-on-my-throw-pillow Oprahfest. And no, I really don’t “have any idea how many men there are out there who need female attention in a non-sexual sense.” I am not sure your providing it to them “for free” online is going to meet their needs anyway. Yours is a feminized approach that I am having trouble understanding. Men need to be shouted at, not cosseted. And they like to earn their affection. Insofar as they are men. And insofar as they are womanly, they don’t need “support,” they need an ass-kicking.

        I am suspicious of support circles. They sound very eggy-estrogeny to me. But … I’m just speaking conceptually. Perhaps when I see it in practice I’ll get what you’re driving at. In any event, God bless your effort: I don’t mean to discourage you from filling a need you see unfilled, I just don’t quite follow its raison d’être. We need more women like you to take the initiative. You are one of the happy few who gets it.

        Matt

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  93. on May 4, 2012 at 1:40 pm GeishaKate

    @Stingray: Yup, that is where it gets difficult. The most important lessons I find that I can pass on are about the most personal things that have happened to me. People just don’t talk about that kind of stuff in regular social interaction. But those are the stories that truly help others. Being anonymous, or at least, relatively so, gives you a lot of freedom. Having ties, like family, etc. makes you consider how what you will say and do will affect them. Which is why, although I think it would be awesome if Heartiste published a book, I understand its asking a lot to thrust someone out into the public as a sacrificial lamb. I recently attached my name to a project I am very proud of but that might raise a few eyebrows. This is the first place I’ve ever published my picture. I haven’t even put it on searchable dating sites, but in wanting to find out more about this place, I ran across info. of an expose. I figured if that had happened and he was STILL writing, I’d be willing to put my photo here. You have to be at a point where you believe so strongly in what you’re doing it doesn’t matter what criticism it might yield (or you find a way to do it under the radar).

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  94. on May 6, 2012 at 9:04 am GeishaKate

    re: King A (Matthew King) on May 5, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    You know, King, its a little uncanny the way you keep writing out my own thoughts, albeit in an elevated manner. I’ve never heard anyone other than myself espouse some of these ideas. It would be an understatment to say I’m glad we met.

    Now regarding the site, yes, just wait till you can see it. I don’t think men visit real geishas to cry on pillows 🙂 They go for good conversation and good company. “Emotional support” is a term used in special education and its one I’ve latched onto to explain what I’m doing for the sake of my poor mother who said, “You don’t want people to think you’re a madam!” 🙂 To which I naturally replied, “Its not my fault if people are ignorant.” But its best there is a disclaimer of some sort. I have been doing this kind of support work for free, but it has really taken too much of a toll upon my time and energy. I was planning to leave my job to do this full time but I was offered a new position so I’ve taken that and will see how this little venture unfolds first. There is much a skilled writer can do online. This blog confirms it.

    “Yours is a feminized approach that I am having trouble understanding.” LOL Don’t worry, you’re not the first!!! 🙂 These are not romantic relationships I’m discussing. Does a nun make a follower woo her? No. Its reason to be is there are many people out there who need someone to listen. And I enjoy helping people be happier, healthier, and holier.

    I don’t like yelling. And it is my belief that a lady doesn’t yell. She shouldn’t have to. Yelling means one has lost control. She should be able to have her needs met without that. But, its very interesting what you say as it seems men do expect this and even provoke it and then almost take it as a sign that you don’t care if you don’t yell. Whereas I do not intend to be any man’s mama. With that said, I do have a terrible habit of telling men off 🙂

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 1:58 pm King A (Matthew King)

      I don’t think men visit real geishas to cry on pillows 🙂 They go for good conversation and good company.

      Aha. I can see the geisha approach. Stick with that metaphor, it’s much better branding than “emotional support” laboratory of happy nice good feeling.

      Check out the Firefly-Serenity series and their geisha-like model of the “companion.” It has a surprising feminine depth that can only be portrayed in the ghetto of pop-science-fiction these days, where the practice remains safely fantastical. For the same reason, the companion character’s prickly romance with the captain is one of the better portrayals of male-female relations I can think of, going back to black and white films, when we could still be honest about the sexes.

      Matt

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  95. on May 6, 2012 at 10:24 am GeishaKate

    continued…
    And I might have to take issue with this: “You are one of the happy few who gets it.” I am not sure whether getting it has or will make me happy or if I, in fact, even get it. I am, afterall, still alone. I used to be sweeter and more giving; now I am smarter and harder. Knowledge is a mixed blessing. I had a dream recently that as I was pulling into my driveway and hitting the garage door opener, there was a blue pick-up truck in my garage. But I suppose that is only a dream.

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    • on May 6, 2012 at 11:39 am Firepower

      it must be, i drive a
      ‘Dodge Stratus’

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      • on May 6, 2012 at 12:00 pm GeishaKate

        lol- thanks for that 🙂

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 11:53 am Firepower

        *zing*
        rightova yerhead…

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 12:31 pm GeishaKate

        Watch that garage door doesn’t hit ya on its way down. It could turn you to Firepowder.

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    • on May 6, 2012 at 11:39 pm King A (Matthew King)

      “Happy few” is from the Henry V speech, as you’re probably aware. It just means you derive ultimate satisfaction in being one of the few who staked his “life, fortune, and sacred honor” on the right cause, when it was still uncertain, when it still required risk, well before it was widely acknowledged to be right.

      The world is not interested in your happiness. Happiness is overrated. Do not regret taking the red pill. “Knowledge is a mixed blessing.” No! The truth is an unalloyed good. It is only a disadvantage to the cowardly. The struggle is gorgeous. You do not want the life of comfort and ease, soporific ignorance and numbness. You want the pain and sacrifice and clarity and cold air that victory requires. It is a glorious pain. We are together in that sacrifice, it comprises our bond.

      Keep dreaming, hold those vivid premonitions close to your heart. They are intimations of the “peace which surpasses understanding.” Eye has not seen, nor ear heard what is in store for you. Some private notion of “happiness” is petty in comparison. Perhaps it is easier for men to understand the superiority of glory to contentment. It’s the difference between achievement and complacency. You act and you win, you will and you create, you don’t sit there and accrue the inert advantages of the motionless and the never-risking.

      Henry V did not say “happy” because the battle of Agincourt would be easy. He said “happy” as a synonym for “lucky.” We are fortunate to be chosen for this difficult task, because only great difficulty will earn us great reward.

      You are not alone. You are part of a grand, far-flung communion, a siblinghood of immediate recognition — that’s what I meant by your being one of the happy few. On the day you meet us, there will be no introductions, just the familiarity that comes with the family of conjoined souls. Take heart, sister. The day of triumph is presently inconceivable. Until then it will take a leap of faith, a consistency that can only be achieved with unshakable conviction. I already know you, and you know me because of this conviction. “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.”

      “I used to be sweeter and more giving; now I am smarter and harder.”

      Being smarter and harder will allow you to be far sweeter and more giving than you ever imagined possible. Now you are conscious of the difficulties, rather than naïvely pleasant. You have acquired moxie and grit behind your sweetness: it is a deliberate choice, fully aware of what sacrifices true sweetness requires. Don’t regret illumination! It is your salvation. It is what brings me into you, and you into me. And that fusion is indomitable.

      If you imagine yourself alone, that’s what we’re here for. We are here to remind you that the truth has allies, and so you have allies. It is not “only a dream.”

      Matt

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      • on May 8, 2012 at 8:26 pm GeishaKate

        “The truth is an unalloyed good.” I tend to believe this no matter how disturbing the truth might be. Better to know what you’re facing.

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  96. on May 7, 2012 at 12:59 pm GeishaKate

    @King: on May 5, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Well, it looks like my long response to this also went to the party. *sad sticker* I think its rather unfair I don’t get invited. Anyway, yes, just wait till you can see the site. I call it that as a way to explain it so that people don’t get the wrong impression. It won’t be for free. This approach is not intended for romantic relationships, but, even so, I don’t believe in yelling. I have been known to do it and it boggles my mind why men seem to need it in order to understand something is important.

    Hopefully the original response appears as it was much more detailed. In the meantime, in regards to your other comment, its like reading my own thoughts. Uncanny. I am very glad we have crossed paths.

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    • on May 8, 2012 at 8:48 pm doug1111

      You and King should start privately emailing and then chating with each other. If you haven’t already. That’s how Bhetti and I got together off this forum three years ago, and we’re still remote sexual friends with benefits, suplemental to my live together gorgeous N. Italian born gf, and to her Muslim need to be virginal if from a respectable family at marriage self.

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      • on May 8, 2012 at 9:38 pm GeishaKate

        I have a boyfriend. JK!!!! 🙂 It is always enlightening to talk to people off the board, but I think I made a promise to limit that.

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      • on May 8, 2012 at 9:45 pm Anon

        “her Muslim need to be virginal ”

        Was it just anal then?

        Anyway, pics or it didn’t happen.

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      • on May 8, 2012 at 11:23 pm gunslingergregi

        hold up it took you three years and she still a “virgin” she really does have game dam he he he

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      • on May 8, 2012 at 11:41 pm gunslingergregi

        i got about 40 ho’s in rotation i switch out like tires but no virgins
        he he he

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 11:52 am GeishaKate

        I thought you were married. What’s with all the greed? Be satisfied.

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      • on May 11, 2012 at 2:19 pm Firepower

        whats with you all the sudden accusing every man of being married

        i find that INSULTING

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      • on May 11, 2012 at 2:51 pm GeishaKate

        If I’ve made a mistake, I apologize.

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      • on May 11, 2012 at 6:32 pm doug1111

        She’s come to basically beg me to do her, fly over to london to do that in her hornier moments, but I’m looking out for her. It is a big deal in her part of her culture. And I get plenty of sex, not just from my live together, but we’ve done some fmf threesomes, plus she’s jealously ok (in a somewhat emotionally masochistic way) with me doing it a bit outside of that too, though she needs lots of emotional reassurance, which I’m happy to give.

        I’m not remotely from hunger.

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      • on May 11, 2012 at 6:57 pm GeishaKate

        Personal question alert! You don’t have to answer. Have you two ever met? Are you planning to marry each other in the future?

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      • on May 11, 2012 at 8:23 pm doug1111

        No as to the last. She feels she needs to marry a Muslim, and I have no plans to convert. Note this is on her end “needs” rather than necessarily wants. She’s big conflicted about these things.

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      • on May 12, 2012 at 8:50 am GeishaKate

        I can understand. Trying to divide your heart and your body is a recipe for confusion. I wish you both the best 🙂

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      • on May 11, 2012 at 6:36 pm doug1111

        A lot of why we’re still emotionally long distance together is that she is really interesting, and tons of fun to chat with. Very smart. From a different culture, but a very loyal Brit now that she’s become a citizen. That’s a bit of a different culture too, not that I haven’t been there numerous times and know quite a bit about it. As well her medical perspective are interesting to me, and she’s fascinated to learn from me about world history, etc. I know I’ve shaped her politically a good bit too, and she says so. She’s a great girl.

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  97. on May 7, 2012 at 2:31 pm GeishaKate

    I did not know the reference, but I am heartened and moved.

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    • on May 7, 2012 at 2:33 pm Stingray

      “Older than dirt.”

      If you are older than dirt, that makes me . . . . ugh. Just how old are you? You look young in your picture.

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 2:40 pm GeishaKate

        33.67 (or so) 🙂

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 2:42 pm Stingray

        Precision is good. Only two decimal places though? 😉

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 2:44 pm GeishaKate

        lol I had to use a calculator 😉

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