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Another Game Concept Vindicated By Science: Kino Escalation

May 4, 2012 by CH

Incoming! The studies providing evidence for the effectiveness of one game technique after another keep rolling in like a tsunami, washing away throbby-veined feminists and mewling omega virgins in their wake. Glorious times for face-rubbing! The latest in this lie-smashing cavalcade is scientific proof for the game concept of kino escalation.

Why Light Touching Can Double Your Chances of Getting a Date

During a conversation, a light touch can impart a subliminal sense of caring and connection, leading to more successful social interactions and even better teamwork. […]

Over the course of that day, three young and handsome French men [participating in a study] randomly approached 240 young women they spotted walking alone and propositioned each and every one of them. To each, they would utter exactly the same words: “Hello. My name’s Antoine. I just want to say that I think you’re really pretty. I have to go to work this afternoon but I wonder if you would give me your phone number. I’ll phone you later and we can have a drink together someplace.” If the woman refused, they’d say, “Too bad. It’s not my day. Have a nice afternoon.” And then they’d look for another young woman to approach. If the woman handed over her number, they’d tell her the proposition was all in the name of science, at which time, according to the scientists, most of the women laughed. The key to the experiment was this: with half the women they propositioned, the young men added a light one-second touch to the woman’s forearm. The other half received no touch.

The researchers were interested in whether the men would be more successful when they touched the women than when they didn’t. How important is touch as a social cue? Over the course of the day, the young men collected three dozen phone numbers. When they didn’t touch the women, they had a success rate of 10 percent; when they touched them, their success rate was 20 percent. That light one-second touch doubled their popularity. Why were the touched women twice as likely to agree to a date? Were they thinking, This Antoine is a good toucher—it’d probably be fun to knock down a bottle of Bordeaux with him some night at Bar de l’Océan? Probably not. But on the unconscious level, touch seems to impart a subliminal sense of caring and connection.

Raisin-sacked anti-gamers who have never left their basement hovels to try out a single game technique on a non-latex woman like to whine “Where’s the double-blind, controlled, blah blah blah scientific evidence for all these game theories?” Well, here it is, numbskulls. And there are plenty more in the archives of Le Chateau. Read them and feel your testicles descend.

Now, a number close rate increase from 10% to 20% is not huge. But keep in mind that the kino they tested was only a single, light, one-second touch on the forearm. Game theory espouses *escalating* kino, which involves increasing the frequency, duration and boldness (i.e. touching more erogenous zones on a woman) of kino throughout the seduction, gradually drawing the woman deeper into your sticky web of wonder.

Furthermore, game is a compendium of ploys, a symphony of stratagems. Kino is but one small part of the whole seduction process. If each game technique — say, negs, or DHV spikes, or body language — increases your close rate by 10%, then the sum of all game, deftly tallied, will surely increase your close rate by more than 10%.

Even a mere increase from 10% to 20% number close rate is worthy of bringing the Light of Game into your life. I think most betas would be thrilled to double their chances of scoring a random girl’s phone number.

Note the following line from the article. It’s very telling:

In fact, in studies in which the touched person was later debriefed about the experience, typically less than ­one-third of the subjects were even aware that they had been touched.

The master seducer’s game is so tight, that women will not even know they are being gamed. That’s the goal you should shoot for. If women are consciously aware of your game, you’re doing something wrong. Game isn’t a hammer to the head; it’s an electrified sensation that meanders just underneath conscious awareness, burrowing deep into the dark nooks of a woman’s hindbrain.

I don’t post these studies for the benefit of accomplished seducers who read here. They already know this stuff works, because they’re out there using it on women. They don’t need studies to tell them what they can see and hear and feel with their own senses. No, I post them primarily to get under the skin of haters. I can practically see them steam with impotent rage as they read the very thing they have claimed to want to read. I post them secondarily to illuminate fence-sitters who are open-minded to the enterprise of bedding women. But really, my first love is sadistically twisting the shiv in the loser mafia. Squeal like a pig, Gollum!

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  1. on May 4, 2012 at 2:03 pm Bill

    Shouldn’t be surprised. Touching acts like a bonding mechanism. When cultural thinkers talk about ‘alienation’ in a society, this is probably one thing that’s not considered, but potentially important. The lack of touching increases the sense of isolation.

    So this technique could be applied elsewhere. To co-workers (a light touch, mind, is not noticed) you want to influence. To family you want to keep close (again, with a light touch; don’t want to be one of those “funny uncles” everyone steers clear of). To your spouse you want to keep.

    Staying in touch could be more important than you think.

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  2. on May 4, 2012 at 2:07 pm walawala

    When I first learned of game and began conscious kino escalation one important thing happened, it was the subcommunciation that this was not a “friend” chat. Kino immediately subcommunicates a sexual vibe. It has to be subtle—a forearm touch….then build up to hug and more.

    But women love to be touched. The AFC, pre-game me was afraid of this. Now it’s de-rigeur for any woman I’m gaming.

    The ones I don’t game don’t get kino.

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 5:16 pm Carl Sagan

      lol work up to the hug?

      If you are going a date with a chick you should be hugging her when you greet her (doesn’t matter if it’s the first time). Also, anytime you walk into a place (coffee shop, bar, etc.) your hand should be on the small of her back.

      Are most guys just not doing these things?

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      • on May 5, 2012 at 9:35 am Ripp

        Carl Troll: Thanks for the Fisher Price, my first coffee date advice.

        Now try cold approach and execute your own advice. Hint: That means approach an attractive woman whom you are a stranger to.

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  3. on May 4, 2012 at 2:11 pm Rivelino

    CH, krauser uses the technique of verbal escalation instead of kino escalation. it works for him, but i’m not sure it’s for everyone. your thoughts?

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 4:14 pm Obstinance Works

      K uses kino later on but I think you are mixing night and day game. Almost everybody agrees that day takes more indirect to some extent or the other.

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 4:34 pm Rivelino

        K is pretty direct during the day. He seems to most direct daygame PUA out there. But you are right, you can be more subtle in the day.

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 4:53 pm M-Dot

        Andy Yosha and Yad also go direct in daygame

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  4. on May 4, 2012 at 2:12 pm Rivelino

    @walawala

    “the subcommunciation that this was not a “friend” chat.”

    good point man.

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 11:00 pm walawala

      I think this is the point about kino ESCALATION. If you greet new girls with a hug, often times it’s Donald Duck-style: Front, chest-to-Chest leaning in, ass out and up. That’s a “Friend” greeting.

      A hug should be from the side and bringing a girl from the side to your front where you can put your hand in the small of your back.

      Do that too soon and they jump back.

      Girls understand kino escalation because they are tactile.

      But from my awareness of kino it has to start early and build. The first initiation can’t draw attention to itself.

      If you brush an elbow or touch a forearm…DONT leave your hand there and stare at it. That is creepy.

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  5. on May 4, 2012 at 2:24 pm Anonymous

    Kino has nothing to do with Game’s central concept(lowering a woman’s value through assholery).

    [heartiste: false premise.

    ps your trolling is tiresome.]

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 4:46 pm Stuki

      Touching, in addition to signalling caring, can also signify that you are very comfortable with women of her station. Most betas keep their distance from 10s.

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  6. on May 4, 2012 at 2:46 pm blah

    This isn’t a study, it’s an excerpt from some book. Where’s the study? Plus, the book excerpt mentioned that the men were *handsome*. An average-looking guy doing the same thing would end up with a sex assault charge, a prison sentence and be a known sex offender.

    [heartiste: look it up, omegavirgindork.

    ps the handsomeness of the men is irrelevant, but i knew some ignoramus omega anti-gamer was going to bring that up. since the men’s looks were controlled for, what the study showed is that the same men experienced an increase in their number close rate by applying the game tactic of kino on their targets. the kino itself is what made the difference, not their looks.

    btw, average looking guys touch women they are trying to pick up all the time and never get hit with sex assault charges. try living a day in your life, for once.]

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 2:59 pm Touching Works

      Seriously, unless you are wearing crappy clothes, haven’t washed in days and are otherwise scary and giving off a bad vibe (not just average looking), you aren’t going to get slapped with a criminal charge for a light touch on the forearm. I regularly do this with girls in clothing stores and other retail outlets. Girls want assertive men, and I’m only average or slightly above average in looks. A light touch is something the girls don’t register in their conscious brain. Too much, too soon and you’ll scare the kitty away. Being subtle and relaxed is the way to part the panties.

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 6:05 pm Anon

      I think you are confusing an “average looking guy” with “homeless guy groping women on the street”.

      BTW, a bump from 10% to 20% in phone number success is actually very significant: they DOUBLED their success. Now, the flake rate would be something else to consider.

      I wonder if any of those “handsome” participants were beta, but became smashing alpha pickup machines due to the confidence they picked up from the study.

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      • on May 5, 2012 at 12:58 pm Omega

        I don’t know about average, but I’m slightly below average and girls sure as hell don’t like me touching them. I’m not scruffy, I’m not smelly, I’m not disfigured, not obese, not dressed like a bum etc. I’m just… sorta ugly, that’s all. And that’s enough for women to push me away even at a free hugs gathering, much less during an attempted pick up.

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      • on May 5, 2012 at 1:55 pm Anon

        Below average & “sorta ugly” are two pretty distinct categories.

        What’s your height, weight? What’s your build? How’s your haircut? Facial hair? Teeth? What clothes do you wear? Age?

        If you truly are ugly, then you’ll never be considered good looking, but you can improve to the point where your looks won’t offend, i.e., not noticeable. At the very best, you can dress to be noticed.

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      • on May 6, 2012 at 3:02 pm Money

        Next time, try smiling. Act like you’ve got a patent on the penis. A bit of self-confidence, even if you’re faking it, and you’ll have the world by the balls.

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      • on May 8, 2012 at 1:13 pm Anonymous

        It is possible to fuck up Kino and come off as “creepy”. If you escalate too fast while also generally acting uncomfortable, nervous, desperate then the girl thinks she is being opportunistically pawed at by a man far below her own status. And that is usually what girls mean when they say “creepy”. Your whole attitude has to match that of someone entitled to be touching the girl.

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    • on May 5, 2012 at 5:39 pm J.

      I smirked and laughed a little when I read blah’s post. blah doesn’t see the irony of attacking the credibility of the information in the excerpt because it was written in a book instead of a research paper, which he is obviously too lazy to look up, but then he goes on to assert that average-looking men who apply game techniques will get arrested for sexual assault and become RSOs whereas good-looking men will not. Yet he didn’t bother to cite a research paper for his idea!

      I remember awhile back when I had a private debate with someone who reminds me a lot about blah. Every time I brought up a fact, including facts where the information contributing to the discussion wasn’t really important in comparison with the greater subjects, and didn’t provide a link, he would promptly write that I was “asserting” things, which I presume was his way of attacking my credibility instead of making an argument. Instead of looking up the information himself, he would instead blabber about how I “lost” and should “give up.” The irritating part is that he would hardly bother to cite any sources himself, and on the occasion when he provided links to “support” his claims, it only consisted of arguments from ignorance. In other words, the quack researches he cited didn’t understand the subjects they were writing about and thought that their ignorance proved their point of view. Despite my pointing out his logical errors and strenuously illustrating my perspective with a wealth of evidence, he remained incredulous. These sorts of omegas are like Star Wars geeks, excessive video gamers and pedantic social outcasts who hinge on lunacy, and it just isn’t possible to speak with them on a commonsensical level.

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      • on May 8, 2012 at 12:29 am Anonymous

        I always find it ironic when someone uses the word pedantic.

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  7. on May 4, 2012 at 3:27 pm aneroidocean

    I don’t know about this. I HATE being arm-raped!

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 3:58 pm SFG

      I believe you. However, since most guys learning game are too timid rather than too bold, increasing the amount of light touch is overall a good suggestion to make.

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 4:01 pm aneroidocean

        I’m not a girl, I was being facetious.

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm GeishaKate

      Nobody better lay a finger on my Butterfinger! What is this? Of course its nice to be touched.

      [heartiste: an anti-gamer omega dork would tell you that touching girls leads to sex assault charges. and anyhow even if it did work it only works for brad pitt lookalikes. omega dorks = SMRT!]

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 4:15 pm GeishaKate

        Well maybe it would be helpful to know that touching us addles our brains and is one of the most effective ways of lowering our defenses and shutting us up 🙂

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 1:28 pm L1A1

        I have my hands on my wife quite frequently, but that doesn’t help. She not only still talks, but throws out non stop negs at me, too. When we watch TV, i frequently find my left hand firmly entrenched between her upper thighs. Mmm..

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 3:58 pm GeishaKate

        Well, I only said it was one of the most effective ways, not THE most effective way 🙂

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 4:55 pm Ben

        You need to hit her probably. The post counter cultural experimentation era basically shackles you though in that regard.

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 4:39 pm carolyn

      if the guy is only slightly loathsome or less, it feels good to be lightly touched. it sort of sends a pleasant shiver through you, puts you in a good mood. i read somewhere it has everything to do with estrogen sensitizing women’s skins, as well as the touch itself eliciting the release of oxytocin.it’s not sexual, it’s sensual. i see that men, specifically my husband don’t experience this anywhere near as much. their loss.

      that was a good insight, heartiste.

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  8. on May 4, 2012 at 3:57 pm SFG

    Good post–I’ve found this to be a huge advantage in my (limited) practice of game.

    BTW, ‘game theory’s already taken, by a field of economics that’s also quite important to the theory of game. Does anyone have a good suggestion? I love the double entendre, but there might be times we want to discuss the two separately.

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 4:09 pm Other

      Biology

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 4:19 pm SFG

        Game isn’t just biology. It’s psychology, sociology, and even cultural criticism (not Frankfurt school!). It’s only biology in the sense everything’s nuclear physics.

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  9. on May 4, 2012 at 4:10 pm Obstinance Works

    Duh lol! People liked to be touched. Feminists are so fucking stupid.

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  10. on May 4, 2012 at 4:12 pm Obstinance Works

    Another reason why online/text game is so difficult for me. I’m just a hands on/in the flesh type of guy.

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    • on May 6, 2012 at 12:47 pm L

      Which isn’t a bad thing. Many of my friends get a number, have great, funny text game, and completely fuck the show up when they meet the girl the next time.

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  11. on May 4, 2012 at 4:14 pm Cyrus

    They’ve done this study in many different ways at this point.

    One version I liked better had a male confederate approach women at a dance club and ask them to dance either with a touch or without.

    As expected, the results mimic the above results. The touchers win, every time.

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 4:45 pm nomennovum

      This is why dancing is an important skill for a man.

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 10:29 pm Anon

        Good dancing is a sign of male fitness

        “Good dancing may be sign of male health, scientists say”

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11223473

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 10:31 pm Anon

        Forgot about bad dancing

        Seems kinda beta indeed.

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  12. on May 4, 2012 at 4:50 pm rick

    the more i study science, the more sense previous social norms of previous eras make. much of “xtian patriarchy” had norms in line with science. this is probably what scares the trendys the most.

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    • on May 5, 2012 at 1:51 pm SFG

      Yup! Those norms evolved over thousands of years and hundreds of generations, so they tend to match human nature pretty well. Blank Slate and such came out of the Enlightenment ideology the bourgeoisie created to get rid of the church.

      It’s less effective in the human realm, though science is pretty damn powerful in the physical (it’s how Europe conquered the world).

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  13. on May 4, 2012 at 4:56 pm itsme

    haters will always find a way to hate.

    also, girls use kino on guys all the time. often when a girl is trying to get a guy to agree with her, or do something for her, she’ll touch him lightly to get compliance.

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  14. on May 4, 2012 at 5:01 pm Jason

    This is news? I thought everybody knew this.

    One exception, though, seems to be Germany. They’re hands-off people. Remember when Bush pissed off Merkel by giving her an impromptu shoulder massage at the G8 conference? My experience with German women has been the same.

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 8:01 pm sfer

      surprise shoulder massages are not really a smooth move.

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 8:33 pm Student

      its true that germans are more reserved towards strangers. but touching is an effective game tactic there as well. you just gotta up your game, son! but then again, perhaps your entire point of reference is an awkward and inappropriate gesture on a head of state made by one of the most loathed people in the world.

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    • on May 6, 2012 at 8:20 am GeishaKate

      Why is that (about Germans), I wonder? I think it makes us particularly susceptible to Italians.

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 12:04 pm crumpetess

        Totally agree, GK!!! I think that we Northern European types are drawn to the hot, rich, passionate milieu of the Mediterranean culture. Traditionally, German and Scandinavian cultures are somewhat reserved and uptight (at least on the surface). So I think that, even here in the States, we are drawn to the opposite warmth. Which includes the natural kino that these Italian/Greek/Spanish/S. American guys often exert.

        I’ve often wondered about the genetic component of this as well. With Norwegian/Swiss/British heritage, I’ve always, ALWAYS been very attracted to Latin American and Mediterranean men, and they’re generally attracted to me. There’s got to be something in the genes there saying, “We’d make great babies!”

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 12:22 pm GeishaKate

        And this is what, I am personally convinced, is contributing to the high divorce rate in the U.S.: the latent cultural and religious expectations about love, relationships, and marriage that we’re all carrying around that sometimes we aren’t even aware of ourselves. I now actually pay attention to descent because I know which temperments won’t match and am thrilled to discover when I’ve found someone with my heritage: German/Scottish/Irish.

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  15. on May 4, 2012 at 5:12 pm Carl Sagan

    Ya this isn’t news for anybody not living under a rock.

    I’ve read similar studies involving wait staff. Typically those who touch their customers got higher tips.

    What I found interesting was the fact that these guys had a 20% success rate by just going direct with a light touch (what about a clever opener and then DHV’ing before you kino escalate? lol). Nah, looks like confidence and assertiveness win again. Would love to see how an average guy would fare at something like this. Even a 10% close rate would be decent in my book.

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  16. on May 4, 2012 at 5:29 pm anonymous

    “I think most betas would be thrilled to double their chances of scoring a random girl’s phone number.”

    Double zero is still zero

    [heartiste: false presupposition. we’re talking about betas, not omegas.]

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 6:10 pm Anon

      Yes, if we’re moving towards a more scientific approach, then we should use scientific terminology in their proper context.

      Beta means the male with the second-most clout in resources. Like Nikki Sixx vs. Tommy Lee.

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  17. on May 4, 2012 at 6:12 pm Kendoka

    I don’t care for all the goofy PUA terminology (“kino” etc), but to each his own.

    Desmond Morris (Writer of The Naked Ape and some excellent evo-psych documentaries) outlined 12 steps of physical intimacy :

    http://studiesoflove.com/sexpregnancy/12stepsintimacy.html

    [heartiste: personally, i could do without the pua terminology, too. but i use it because it bugs the right people.]

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  18. on May 4, 2012 at 6:30 pm geo

    This is a good reminder. I’ve been neglecting to do this. And its sort of hard to get the timing of it so that it doesn’t seem forced.

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    • on May 4, 2012 at 7:08 pm E.J.

      This. I know it’s something I should be doing, but I’m never sure when to. The last 3 girls I fucked initiated kino with me, and I’m naturally stoic/aloof so they escalate. I’m just not a touchy-feely guy and don’t want to force anything if it’s already going well. I think mastering this could definitely improve my game though.

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      • on May 4, 2012 at 11:32 pm delicioustacos

        Turn off your hypervigilant self awareness and just do what you want.

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  19. on May 4, 2012 at 9:22 pm TheBiboSez

    I don’t doubt the results of this study, or the power of touch – I’ve been using it for decades. Heck, even Jesus did it.

    However, there is one small technical error here – in what sense is this a “double-blind” study? As the study is described, the “Antoine” characters knew which chicks they were going to touch/not touch in advance – they were not blinded, in other words. At best, this is a single-blind study (the subject chicks were unwitting, but not the 3 dudes.)

    To make this a better double-blind study, I’d give the guys an ear-bud, toss a coin out of sight during the approach, and then radio them to “touch” or “no touch” at the last possible second, so that the dudes would have no foreknowledge of what they were going to do with a particular chick. This would keep them from biasing the results, consciously or not, with that foreknowledge.

    Yes, I’m a nerd, but precision is critical to unbiased results.

    And that is what theBiboSez. Bless you!

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    • on May 5, 2012 at 1:53 pm SFG

      Yeah, but then they’d look too herky-jerky when approaching with the chicks. It does make good science harder when dealing with social interactions, no doubt about that.

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  20. on May 4, 2012 at 10:06 pm deussupreme

    ^unattractive*

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  21. on May 4, 2012 at 10:12 pm 3rdworldsydney

    Raisin-sacked anti-gamers who have never left their basement hovels

    even if you dont “beleive” in Game and dont want to be a cassanova you have to admit the following:

    1) All women even your mom, grandma, and little kids contantly test you with almost every interaction.

    2) The quality of your relationships and life depend on how you deal with these tests.

    3) women are entranced by shiney objects*, rituals, and superstition (see every religion ever known)

    If you dont Learn how to handle these tests you have 2 options:

    4) lock youself in the basement and play video games to avoid test, or
    5) submit to them every single time and wide up being their enuch slaves.

    * for every Shit test my canned response is “Hey did you see my new shiney watch” – then I move onto other “Shiney stuff” e.g.

    Her IHABF where not doing that again”

    “did you see Seacrest on American Idol last night”

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 3:52 pm universe

      Good observations.

      For 1 and 2 – being on top of one’s own game can facilitate these first two well which steers interaction toward 3 and beyond, except to 4 and 5. Never mind dancing for the demanding caged hamsters of others.
      It’s a matter of how the first two are done. Right honed attitude. A well balanced knowledgeable sense of the world and self, including image, mixed with positive intent, and more, will guide one through 1 and 2, limiting the tests along the way. If done well others will then want to see 3, your bling – manufactured, developed or just plain there.

      Uh-huh, touch helps.
      But not the stiff or scripted type. Helps to mean it in a relaxed way. Those who talk with their hands are good examples to watch until the intended touch becomes somewhat natural. (But hey, if the wooden touch works, then parlour games for those who press further).

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  22. on May 4, 2012 at 10:34 pm Anonymous

    This is legit, but I am increasingly skeptical of the kind of bs our “social scientists” are producing, like the latest one where they watch monkeys play with children’s toys and conclude that human beings must be genetically predisposed to socialism. It doesn’t matter how many times socialism fails or how many people are murdered our starved by socialism or communism, our mainstream intellectuals refust to give it up.

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    • on May 5, 2012 at 1:56 pm SFG

      Socialism works in small groups where everyone knows each other, like five friends splitting the check at dinner. Bigger than that and you get freeloaders. Places like Sweden with high genetic relatedness and high levels of trust can get away with it, but diverse America…naah.

      You see more support for it among white people in northerly parts of the country like Massachusetts and Minnesota where there’s still more relatedness.

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    • on May 8, 2012 at 4:33 pm Anonymous

      socialism has worked in cuba

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  23. on May 4, 2012 at 10:43 pm Uncle Elmer

    And what is Ballroom or Partner Dance? You hold their hand, press their tits close, put your other hand on their backside, then lead them around. You can feel em up, and it’s “ok”.

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  24. on May 4, 2012 at 11:50 pm Trebuchet Warrior

    When it comes to kino yeah, it helped me when I was beta. Even during the days when my game was Work-in-progress. These days I don’t kino that much. I play the aloof game till she’s on me…….

    As a result the speed at which I get numbers is half. At least 30 minutes for kiss close and a number. But because I don’t do much kino, game is airtight. Absolutely air-tight verbal game.

    I’m not underestimating kino. Its awesome. Its the shit. Do it. Use it. Just don’t keep touching her like a dog that wants a lick. A little stand-offishness helps you control the frame.

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  25. on May 5, 2012 at 1:46 am The Whammer

    ‘The master seducer’s game is so tight, that women will not even know they are being gamed’

    Total nonsense. No young man is a match for even the dumbest female. While you were still playing with Legos at 8 she was already imagining Prince Charming, babies and marriage albeit in a childish way.She’s very attuned to your so called “game” and knows what you’re up to no matter how subtle you believe you are. What’s she’s basically doing is seeing how clever and subtle you are and is just playing along with you and is making you believe you’re a great seduccer. She’s already made a decision based on her first impression of you and before you even open your mouth.

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    • on May 5, 2012 at 7:55 pm Man in Miskesona

      Whammer, you’re only partly correct. *Most* young men are no match for *the majority* of young women. That’s why young men should wait until their thirties, when they have more status, confidence, and bearing, before getting married to women 7-10 years younger than them. As I just posted:

      ===
      Do they still teach you kids the story of Ebenezer Scrooge (Dickens’s “A Christmas Carol”)? You know the scene where the ghost of Jacob Marley visits Scrooge to warn him to change his ways? Marley is draped in heavy chains representing his past mistakes. “Scroooooge!” he calls hauntingly, “SCROOOOGE!”

      Well, right now, young guys, *I’m* your Marley, OK? I’m draped in an old, ugly fat woman, and I’m telling you:

      DUUUDES! DUUUDES! DON’T MARRY A GIRL YOUR AGE! DON’T DO IT, DUUUDES! LISTEN TO ME! YOU CAN DO BETTER! WORK ON YOUR STATUS AND YOUR MANLINESS, AND WIN A HIGH QUALITY YOUNG GIRL WHEN YOU’RE IN YOUR THIRTIES!

      God, I wish someone had told me that!
      ===

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 11:57 am Ben

        Hear hear.

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 12:02 pm Cream

        Acknowledged. Thanks for the tip, ghost from fatties past. 😀

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 1:23 pm chi-town

        Did that at the time when game was Parcheesi. I am glad to say I had an instinct for a real fuck over. In college, the girl next to you is not your life long peer. She is merely peaking before you do. Older man and younger woman works in so many ways. Not only is she hotter, but more willing to submit.

        A nuclear family with a young wife is still possible if you follow the formula of about 10 years younger ,at least, and not from the US. And even when the inevitable comes, it will be far less painful knowing she had given you the respect to age gracefully, and by then your nearing 60. You should have gotten your already. You don’t even have to be a “player”. Some of course will prefer the more energetic and constantly evolving short term sexual market place, however a real family life with a young wife is certainly equitable in quality of life.

        If you are 25, have fun . If it seems to get old, pick a good one when you hit the late 30s and make it someone in the early to mid 20s.

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    • on May 5, 2012 at 10:25 pm King A (Matthew King)

      Disagree. She might have some inkling she’s being seduced, but she won’t have consciousness about all the mechanisms going on. She will interpret it as a general attraction. If she sees the seams, that is a turn off. A “try hard.” It simply is not the case that she knows clearly what you are doing or why. The best seductions hit the woman’s consciousness over the head, aren’t telegraphed, and yet aren’t unexpected.

      The hardest part of all this pick-up artistry is learning to think like a woman. They simply do not analyze and deconstruct and vivisect the way we do. They want to ride the rollercoaster, they don’t want to know how one works. In fact, they hate you for telling them how one works.

      http://tinyurl.com/OriginOfCleavage
      [3:45 – 5:30]

      Smoove.

      Matt

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    • on May 6, 2012 at 2:08 am Anonymous

      Really? If you believe that load of tripe you spouted, I’ve got some nice seaside property on the Florida coastline to sell ya- only a few gators on it…

      You presume that women operate in a rational manner. Few do. Only if they operated in a rational manner, would they do what you attribute to them. Perhaps the ones that’re faintly detached from their feminine nature would do as you say…perhaps not.

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      • on May 6, 2012 at 6:16 am The Whammer

        Wow! Do tell.That never occurred to me over the past 40 years and after approx. 300 women. It’s a good thing that you and Rosey came along haha

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  26. on May 5, 2012 at 2:02 am The Whammer

    Females basically operate by disqualifying men for sexual selection quickly. When a man walks down the street he automatically disqualifies the fat and old women, they are invisible to him. Females do this automatically with unsuitable men and only need a second in the corner of their eye to do it. These men are then invisible to her. These first impressions are impossible to change and no amount of “game” will do it. “Game” will only help if her first impression was neutral or favourable.You look like John Hamm then game may work.PeeWee Hermann? You’ll be jerking off in some porn film theatre lol

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    • on May 5, 2012 at 12:15 pm bbartlog

      You’re assuming that women operate a lot like men, i.e. that they can estimate mate value very quickly based on appearances alone. But the reality is that they can’t, because the game they’re playing is more complicated – hence the social proof, weird shit tests, and other stuff they do to try and figure out what a guy is worth. Not to say that you can’t get disqualified quickly (smelly, dressed in rags, slurred speech…) but women don’t operate the way you’re assuming.

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      • on May 5, 2012 at 10:33 pm The Whammer

        Visual will get you disqualified. After that they use the other methods to keep disqualifying. A lot of boys don’t want to admit that the visual first impression will get them disqualified but they are in denial. Visual first impressions are so strong that even after a person knows another person and knows his first impression was erroneous it may still take years to completely overcome that first impression. If you’re short for example that will knock you out of the running 99% of the time. And your example eg. dressed in rags is ridiculous because females will be looking for signs a lot more subtle than that. You think they can’t tell the difference between a $500 Gucci loafer and some $50 Target shoe? btw, how old are you?

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      • on May 6, 2012 at 2:14 am Anonymous

        Heh… It depends on lighting conditions, etc. Besides, Wal-Mart and Target shoes are…heh…LAME and don’t even remotely last as long as the much more expensive stuff.

        Stuff like Moscoloni or Cole-Haan shoes at the minimum. Better yet, one can get good stuff at DSW or the Needless Markup outlet for only double or so the price of that $50 Target shoe.

        All it takes is shopping Macy’s for sale items and either of those discount shoe places to get a wardrobe upgrade. Even if they could tell the difference, it’s not at all hard to GET the difference on your side.

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      • on May 6, 2012 at 6:12 am The Whammer

        I wear John Lobb or Crockett & Jones myself or a Ferrigamo for leisurewear.

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 12:03 pm DiamondEyes

        Well it’s no wonder you feel that guys can be instantly disqualified on subtle visual cues alone if you are a wealthy guy running around in John Lobbs and Ferrigamos. You probably use all manner of material trappings to ensure that you’ll be instantly seen as wealthy, which makes women react favorably to you automatically. Women smell money like flies smell shit. But your take on the situation is hardly applicable to the majority of young players, and hardly objective.

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      • on May 6, 2012 at 8:26 am GeishaKate

        I agree with you that women don’t estimate mate value quickly based on appearance alone, but I will say it can be determined very quickly based on instinct. There is some mechanism- whether it is seeing the guy in person, a still photo, or even his written words- that make me react with this understanding of: I go with him.

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  27. on May 5, 2012 at 4:19 am AlphaBeta

    off topic, but this might be interesting to those who haven’t already seen it

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    • on May 6, 2012 at 2:16 am Anonymous

      Ironic that they’re projecting the fungibility they possess onto us…

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    • on May 7, 2012 at 5:00 pm Ben

      Fuck she’s ugly. No two ways about it.

      Amazing the mass suspension of disbelief the leftists have achieved: Getting the prole to believe that feminists are not just feminists because they’re ugly.

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      • on May 8, 2012 at 1:44 pm sharp

        This rare woman is generally on the right track. She’s not ugly either.

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  28. on May 5, 2012 at 4:25 am Anonymous

    Statistician here. Just a quick note. A “prop test” shows that the results are statistically significant at the 97.5% level. That’s MAJOR proof that this study is valid!

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    • on May 5, 2012 at 5:39 am Anonymous

      I did a chi square, which produced a p value barely under .05. Would you show how you got .025?

      The base rate for getting a stranger to offer up her number is rather low. That reduced the statistical power of the experiment. But, low p values offer no proof of the study’s validity (instead, they offer odds that the groups really do differ…for some reason…).

      Validity (here, internal validity) depends on the study’s design / controls, and whether confounding variables might plausibly explain the difference. The results could reflect a demand characteristic, in that the men approached with more confidence when they knew she was to be touched.

      That said, I’m ok with the conclusion that subtle kino alone produces a small advantage. I could not find the reference, though, to where the actual study was published.

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  29. on May 5, 2012 at 4:28 pm gunslingergregi

    yea touching is interesting every pic of me and my wife she is touching me somewhere he he he

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  30. on May 5, 2012 at 5:01 pm Kario

    I’ve made it a point now to start with a light touch on the forearm whenever I meet new girls or meet up with ones I already know. I can’t say yet if it’s had much effect, though. Still feels a bit strange to do when you’re used to not doing it at all for years.

    Heartiste, can you post some stuff about inner game or personality improvement sometime for those of us that are starting out with game and have a quiet personality?
    I often have trouble looking for things to say sometimes to acquaintances, let alone strangers. I know confidence would help in these situations but it’s a work in progress.

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  31. on May 5, 2012 at 6:03 pm Lew

    Fascinating stuff. I love this blog for the discussions of biology, sociology, realism, critique of feminism, egalitarianism, etc. Although as a married man with kids I don’t give two-shits about the practical application of “game” ideas, I am glad the body of knowledge known as “game” exists, and that men who want or need to use it have it at their disposal.

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    • on May 5, 2012 at 6:14 pm E.J.

      As a married man with kids, you have the most to lose by NOT giving two-shits about the practical application of game. You need to wake the fuck up quick. Check out the dalrock, Ian Ironwood, and marriedsexlife blogs.

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      • on May 5, 2012 at 6:38 pm Lew

        Thanks for the tips. I’m looking over Dalrock now and will check out the others, too.

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 3:12 pm Beer Monkey

        Any good married game blogs without the Christianity claptrap?

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 3:16 pm L1A1

        Married Man Sex Life is written by an atheist, so none of that “claptrap” to deal with.

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 3:31 pm E.J.

        Ian Ironwood works in the porn industry, and his blog is secular.

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  32. on May 5, 2012 at 6:34 pm Bigfoot

    Great study.

    This conclusively proves that touching a girl increases attraction. By a lot. Thats double the success rate.

    “The master seducer’s game is so tight, that women will not even know they are being gamed. That’s the goal you should shoot for. If women are consciously aware of your game, you’re doing something wrong. ”

    Well put, which is why it is recommended that your daytime kino be limited to soft hand touches and handshakes. Nothing that will scare the cat away as Roosh says.

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  33. on May 5, 2012 at 10:36 pm The Whammer

    I’d like to know how many of those numbers were real. Did they follow up on that? The guys who touched the girl may have been given a number by the girl just to get rid of them because she felt scared by being touched.

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    • on May 6, 2012 at 10:00 am Lumpenprole

      Interesting point. I knew a girl once who used to give out the home phone number (this is mid-80s, cells were still considered pretty exotic then) of a “frenemy” whenever asked for a number. Yeah, they were sorority sisters, but why they hung out so much together when they obviously despised each other is something I’ll never get.But I suppose that’s a topic for a different time.

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      • on May 6, 2012 at 1:11 pm Stingray

        Status. They likely fed off of each others status. Also, the more they hang out together, the more they can compete and see who is the more alpha girl.

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 5:03 pm Ben

        Alpha girl. On the surface that’s a contradiction in terms. Like: “Competing to be the strongest at being weak”

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  34. on May 6, 2012 at 1:54 am Gil

    Aw nut, someone’s already beaten me to the “no women would want a basement-dweller to touch her forearm”. It’s safe to say a mean bitch would be threatening a harassment suit to some dorky guy trying that out just for the kicks. I believe it is said the only place you can safely touch a women without risking a suit is her upper arm.

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  35. on May 6, 2012 at 2:08 am OlioOx

    The great Udolpho ( http://www.udolpho.com ) appears to have a bit of a problem with Game, PUA, men’s rights, etc:

    “Ironically, men’s rights is a movement of bitter men who definitely don’t know why women are unhappy, which suggests why their relationships might have failed. Their two central arguments, that women have an incentive to divorce and that child support is a burden unfairly heaped on men, both have very problematic (well, outright stupid) premises. Meanwhile, their blame women stance has zero appeal to normal human beings, who see a much different, more complicated reality than the men’s rights caricature.

    “Then there’s this: How many guys want to argue about female behavior, and then go off and have casual sex with girlfriends, enjoy the benefits of a woman’s added income to a household, and jerk off to a lot of porn and sexualized culture? Ugh, those feminists have brainwashed women! Guys, look in the mirror. You’ve bought completely into the feminist culture–the part of it that works out well for you, anyway.”

    Udolpho is on the same page as CH on many things, but I would love to see CH comment on the above ( http://www.udolpho.com/weblog/?id=01345&title=Mens-rights )

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  36. on May 6, 2012 at 8:06 am KinoGuerrilla

    Rapid Kino Escalation is the centerpiece of my entire game! Within the first hour I’ve usually escalated to running my fingers through their hair and rubbing the back of their neck. After that it’s only a matter of logistics. Poor basement dwellers.. shall they never learn?

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  37. on May 6, 2012 at 9:21 am Gramps

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/06/fashion/a-hikers-guide-to-healing.html

    OT, but, it would be nice to hear our blog host analyze this article.

    My take: The hamster is strong in this one.

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  38. on May 6, 2012 at 10:00 am und3rw0r1d

    Great to see these things scientifically tested, though it has already proven itself infield.

    Something hilariously funny I came across:

    http://www.everydaysexism.com/

    I mean, really?!

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  39. on May 6, 2012 at 11:12 am donkeyboy

    Are there women who don’t like kino, and why? I was briefly involved with a girl who was chasing me for some time, and I never tried kino with her. When I was trying to get rid of her I tried to set her up with a friend who did kino and all this stuff and she also went out with another guy who did the same; she told me later that they were a lot more “touchy” than I was, but she didn’t like that, it made her uncomfortable. This is a very shy, very pretty girl. In some cases kino is not advisable I think…when you see a girl is uncomfortable you have to switch to something else. But what?

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    • on May 6, 2012 at 11:53 am GeishaKate

      She didn’t like them touching her because she liked you.

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      • on May 6, 2012 at 2:07 pm donkeyboy

        I don’t know. I think it makes certain kinds of girls uncomfortable…

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    • on May 7, 2012 at 3:38 am Touching Works

      The exception to the rule does not disprove the rule. She may have liked you, but nonetheless, girls, like the touch of men they find desirable. If she’s used to being kino’ed by guys too much, too early on, it can be a turn off. Once again, refer to the the host of CH. The best kino is subtle in nature. If the girl isn’t even aware of the touching, her brain registers it in a positive fashion. Moderation is key.

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  40. on May 6, 2012 at 11:32 am Lumpenprole

    But really, my first love is sadistically twisting the shiv in the loser mafia. Squeal like a pig, Gollum!

    Funny, “sadistically twisting the shiv” seems like the sort of behavior Gollum himself engaged in on a regular basis once he popped out from his hidey-hole in the Misty Mountains, IIRC, Tolkien makes more than one reference to thievery, and perhaps even cannibalism. Tolkien was also pretty descriptive about how Gollum was far stronger than he looked, had an almost superhuman agility, could move silently, would cheerfully sneak up on sleeping humans, etc.

    And Gollum no doubt “squealed like a pig” when captured and tortured by the forces of Mordor. Whereas he was treated far more kindly than he ever deserved to be by Aragorn, Gandalf and Frodo, all of whom either captured him or had him under their control at various points.

    So, does this make Sauron an Alpha, with Aragorn, Gandalf and Frodo all a bunch of Betas? (Boromir might have made the Alpha cut, but, alas, he gets his at the end of Fellowship of the Ring.)

    And I take it Gollum is, by analogy, representative of all Omegas. As per the above, this seems a curious choice. Personally, Gollum is not someone I would wish to eff with, especially in territory favorable to himself, say a heavily wooded area at night. How many of the “Alphas” on this board would wind up as Alpha tartare under these circumstances I’ll not hazard a guess, other than that.I’d imagine there would be more than a few.

    Heh. Just thought of the perfect Gollum theme song…Shows my age, but still makes the point.

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  41. on May 6, 2012 at 1:55 pm OlioOx

    My last comment didn’t make it through for some reason, so here’s one last try (is this source blacklisted on CH?): Udolpho, now calling himself Pleasureman (a great conservative blogger) is trying to make his mind up [everything that follows is by udolpho. CH what do you think of this?]

    ****

    I would have thought it axiomatic that anything calling itself “men’s rights” can’t address the larger social problem of collapsing marriage, that it must further divide people into teams that become more concerned with team solidarity than with fixing the problem (I imagine this is why people like CH, whom I have a certain respect for, give it a sympathetic ear despite eschewing the whole marriage lifestyle). Even gays understand that “marriage equality” sounds better as a slogan than “gay marriage”.

    Here are the givens I think have to be accepted. First, both men and women want to have happy marriages. No one is really “incentivized” to divorce because by all accounts no one is happy during and often after a divorce. It’s a very painful process and there are lots of men and women who come out losers from it. (Women, statistically, enjoy a lower standard of living post-divorce.) If you don’t think women want a happy marriage then I think you’re living on Planet X and we can’t have a fruitful discussion.

    Second, both men and women approach sexual-romantic relationships in problematic ways. The hookup culture and serial monogamy are partly the result of masculinized female behavior, in which women adopt the standards of nontraditional men and look for self-fulfillment only. How did this come about? I don’t think it can be laid only at the doorstep of feminism or any of its waves. The entire PUA culture is suffused with attitudes about sexuality that disregard values necessary for marriage to work. It’s surely no coincidence that PUA writers like CH side with men’s rights.

    Third, women aren’t the source of the problem. There’s been a lot of talk about how feminism has poisoned the well, but keep this in mind: only 24% of women self-identify as feminists (source: see current udolpho thread). This doesn’t mean that women don’t perceive advantages in feminism or women’s rights, but it is a helpful corrective to the men’s rights idea that women are just vessels of feminist activism unconcerned with how men come out. Many women care about the men in their lives, their brothers, husbands, fathers, and friends. Just as conservatives have to learn that liberals also want a working society, men have to accept the same of women.

    Fourth, men’s rights and feminism both encourage an adversarial approach to the problem, and consequently cannot be a part of any solution. When we see that divorce rises with belief in sexual equality, we are staring the problem right in the face. “Men’s rights” posits “equality for men”–it’s the wrong mindset. Men’s rights and feminism become a form of divorce in the public sphere, where competing teams fight to gain advantage for their side and portray the other side as the problem (oppressive patriarchs, misogynistic women). This is why the focus on child support and divorce laws is misguided–however these areas of family law need to be reformed, an adversarial approach just ensures that each side will continue to jockey for power (and it’s my belief that men will usually come out as losers in this contest). If men truly care about marriage working, they have to concern themselves with women’s happiness, not just their own.

    We need to look at where marriage still works, and why. We know that it works better among groups like Mormons, as Rickey pointed out (I believe the divorce rate among observant Mormons is something like 6%). We also know that women who do not take part in the modern sexualized culture also have better success in marriage–divorce rates plummet for women who have had only one sexual partner. These are both big clues. We should also look at where marriage doesn’t work at all; for example, blacks are essentially post-marriage, and gays, despite their push for “marriage equality”, define marriage in a radically different way that effectively nullifies it as an institution.

    When you look at the whole sweep of things, I think you will see how counterproductive men’s rights is.

    ****

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    • on May 7, 2012 at 2:23 pm Anon

      Gay.

      Patriarchy or africanization. That’s about the only two options we have.

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  42. on May 6, 2012 at 2:00 pm OlioOx

    What does it mean when you submit a comment, refresh, then you see it in the comments list with the italicized heading ‘your comment is awaiting moderation,’, then you check back later and it’s gone? Does it mean the host looked at it and rejected it? Or are there other possible reasons for its disappearance?

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  43. on May 6, 2012 at 2:06 pm OlioOx

    BON SCOTT! One of the greatest naturals who ever lived. Anyone in his age group (by a WIDE margin) who didn’t find him irresistably charming must have been, at the very least, rather odd.

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  44. on May 6, 2012 at 3:28 pm Money

    How do you integrate being aloof/distance/not trying too hard with touching?. For touching to work its magic on a girl, isn’t the guy also signalling his interest?

    Not trying to be all asberger-y here, but what’s an alpha way of touching that doesn’t come off off-hand (sic) or indifferent?

    I’m normally a bit distant (but definitely not shy) and have always understood the importance of touch. But I always think once I start touching a girl I’m trying to fuck, I’m trying too hard in a beta, loser-y way.

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    • on May 7, 2012 at 1:33 am Gil

      I believe it’s spelt “assburgers”.

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  45. on May 6, 2012 at 3:38 pm Anonymous

    you sound in a good mood H .

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  46. on May 6, 2012 at 3:43 pm Anonymous

    GAME is what ever works it does not need any evidence ..

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    • on May 7, 2012 at 1:37 am Gil

      Or winners’ bias

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  47. on May 6, 2012 at 5:56 pm mjay

    Kino + assholery = arousal + anger, translating into inquisitiveness and approval-seeking.

    This seemingly contradictory combination induces maximal vag moistening.

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  48. on May 6, 2012 at 10:26 pm chris

    On sexiness:
    http://www.bakadesuyo.com/10-things-science-can-teach-us-about-being-se
    http://www.bakadesuyo.com/what-incredible-powers-do-gorgeous-women-have

    On the importance of controlling the narrative:
    http://www.bakadesuyo.com/do-stories-rule-our-lives-would-that-be-good

    http://www.bakadesuyo.com/does-tv-affect-your-view-of-the-world
    http://www.bakadesuyo.com/how-do-you-improve-team-morale

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    • on May 7, 2012 at 10:18 am chris

      Also
      Human nonindependent mate choice: Is model female attractiveness everything?
      http://www.epjournal.net/articles/2294/

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  49. on May 6, 2012 at 10:54 pm Joe Sixpack

    100% OT. It’s just too good not to post. Watch and forward on.

    The Effects of Emasculation: Part 1

    VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OdQGbVNa4&feature=g-vrec

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  50. on May 7, 2012 at 3:43 am AHE

    Notice how most feminist rants against “misogynists” these days are aimed at bitter betas not asshole alphas. For the most part, feminists have just become girls being girls all over again, hating freaks and staying quiet about the assholes they love. Maybe you should give feminists a break. They’re just girls.

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    • on May 7, 2012 at 11:05 am itsme

      They’re just girls

      have you seen what some of these feminists look like?

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  51. on May 7, 2012 at 12:18 pm DiamondEyes

    Successful politicians, arguably the most masterful seducers of both men and women, have understood the importance of kino for ages. The basis is the handshake of course, but you’ll notice most politicians will also clasp the person’s upper arm while they shake hands. There is also a lot of lingering hand holding at the end of the shake, back slapping, bro hugging, etc. They seemingly want to out-kino everyone they come in contact with as a way of showing alpha familiarity and warmth.

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    • on May 7, 2012 at 12:22 pm DiamondEyes

      related, it’s interesting how many “men” I come across who have not even learned how to deliver a decent handshake yet. I mean christ I thought that was the very first thing a young man would learn if he wanted to be respected among other men. But time after time I get these limp-wristed dead fish that show massive submission signals through their handshake. To be fair they are mostly liberals. Weak sauce! Grab that shit firm and pump vigorously, and don’t let go till the other motherfucker does. That’s what presidents do.

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 1:50 pm carolyn

        always wondered about that. why a limp handshake when it’s just as easy to give a firm one? maybe some men are very uncomfortable touching other men, even in customary and entirely acceptable ways. they can’t help but express their hesitation even when they have to know it’ll cost them socially.

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 5:52 pm DiamondEyes

        It’s either the submission instinct that comes naturally to betas, or the lack of a strong father figure to teach them the basics, or a combination of both.

        But there is no worry of men widely adopting game and saturating the market, if they can’t even make a simple change like firming up their handshake.

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      • on May 8, 2012 at 11:16 am geo

        I’ve heard it called the Hipster Handshake. Also guilty: thuggish black kids but they’re probably doing it out of disrespect.

        And I think you’re right about the lack of men who are aware of game. I see no signs of it in my daily rounds.

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    • on May 7, 2012 at 11:59 pm vodkaman

      If someone does the forearm thing with me, not to speak of the shoulder or back thing, I will physically remove their offending arm and also call their attention. This is seen as an insult in many countries and rightly so. If you touch a Russian on the back prepare for a fistfight.

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      • on May 8, 2012 at 10:29 am DiamondEyes

        “If you touch a Russian on the back prepare for a fistfight.”

        And that’s…one to grow on!

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      • on May 8, 2012 at 11:09 am geo

        Vodkaman are you talking about girls here or just men?

        Even in this country when a man touches you like that it implies that you are 1) of lower status or 2) on very familiar and amicable terms.

        There is lots more going on with handshake dynamics with politicians than with everyday people. Especially when they are being photographed or on TV. The dominant position is to have the other guy on your left so that you are reaching across your body and your forearm is closer to the viewer / camera.

        Its amusing to watch politicians compete for this position.

        The source is one of the recent Body Language Books that are widely available. I think the title was “What People Are Really Saying”

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  52. on May 7, 2012 at 1:18 pm Paladin

    Ok, but where is this study? The article that you quoted is an excerpt from a book, which mentions the study but does not cite it or mention authors or have any links that I can see. I’ve tried googling for it but came up with nothing. I don’t doubt its truthfulness, I’d just like to have it on hand for a more convincing citation when I mention this to some other people

    [heartiste: can someone get the book and the associated cite? i’m too busy to bother with this right now.]

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  53. on May 7, 2012 at 1:29 pm Stingray

    Holy crap!

    I have not idea if this is real or not without signing into an unfamiliar website, but I think it might be. There are no words.

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    • on May 7, 2012 at 1:46 pm Laconophile

      Is that a red flag for LTR?

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 3:23 pm Stingray

        Hmmmmm. Could be. 😉

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    • on May 7, 2012 at 4:44 pm itsme

      ‘i’m not that kind of girl’

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    • on May 7, 2012 at 5:49 pm DiamondEyes

      It’s a modern art piece, titled “Where Have All the Good Men Gone?”.

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      • on May 7, 2012 at 6:08 pm Laconophile

        haha, good one.

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