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The Flaw In The Alpha Male Procreator Theory

May 9, 2012 by CH

Traditionalists, anti-gamers and the usual assortment of sour grapers who want to believe men who are successful at bedding women aren’t winners in the social status or self-indulgence sweepstakes, often resort to the argument that having kids makes a man alpha. This “It’s not the number of bangs, it’s the creating of womb issues” theory is very comforting to a certain mindset.

Helpful reminder: before the age of aquarius contraception, a beta male achieving one bang in his lifetime had a decent shot at impregnating a woman. There aren’t many men, or women, who would argue that managing to have sex once in his life qualifies a man for alphatude, regardless whether the act results in a baby or a blank.

The alpha male of yore — before effective condoms and the pill were widely available — may have been distinguishable by his large brood, but today that signal no longer applies. Today’s alpha male can, and does, easily thwart his genetic programming to make lots of minialphas through the use of such anti-fertilization show-stoppers.

Therefore, the best signal now for how alpha a man is remains what was outlined in this post. The definition contained therein may offend your socratic sensibilities, but great truths often distill as tautologies.

Interestingly, men of the lower classes, because they are prone to forego or misuse contraceptives as befits their constricted time horizons, can more readily be categorized as beta or alpha based on how many children they sire with roaming single moms. In the upper classes, the opposite reality endures; the alpha male is often the one who puts off having children so that he may enjoy his youth chasing skirt, contraceptively freed from the consequences that would otherwise gestate should he direct his amore toward dumber, poorer women who don’t possess the conscientiousness or common sense to swallow a pill on a regular basis.

This is, really, the great advantage that boffing smart chicks offers to men: worry-free sex. Sparkling conversation is just icing on the cake.

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  1. on May 9, 2012 at 2:45 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

    lzozozlzozoozo

    eminem prolly coulda had 2 or 3 kidz but he just has 1 so again u see dat heartsitesse is RIGHT!

    zlzoao

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 2:55 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      i woulda been a daddy 254 timez by now were it ot for da first generation of womenz who were sterilized and commneded to kill theierr fteuetehs in da prepemptive war on the unbrons inncocoent liittlle unborns bababiesss lzzozzo

      so sad

      now u know why i wear black

      for all da funerals i have witnessed

      no lzozolzzing heree lzozlzolzol just a momemetz of silence

      sil

      ence

      …

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 3:24 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        its not easy to be GBFM klzkzozozl as all y’all love me to detahz zlzlzozo

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 3:03 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      lzozozlzo

      i remember wenhnz i was attending a pretssituoious invy eague nve univeirtsy, before i overdosed on ar rtialn adderolloolzozlozzozlozzl cockatail cock-tail zozlzozozozo, i rememebr twhat the coe econ neocon cneoocn economics keynsia eocn profesososrz telled us lozozlzo

      “it is more efficient to import pre-grown labor from mexico and put our own women in the work force, than it would be to have women raise children to be decent human beings instead of ritalin addicted zlozzlozl consumerz zlzlzzozolzoz. and so we will comeanndz our own womenz to abort their unbron and return to the workplace where we can tax them while poalcing any kids that manage to slip by into our corproatete state daycare lzozozlo while importing pre-grown labor form mexico. we have run the numbers, and everyone comes out ahead, execpet for da 50,000,000 aborted and all the men who have to pay for pats yuse of der wives pussieiiisusu via alimonieszz lzolzolzlzozozloz”

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 8:03 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        hey heratistee!~!! hey heartistse!! lzozozozzo since we have sos s sooo zoo many braniace braniacs here i have translated da GBFM “i luv all ye of little faith” in to latin!!!!!

        here iss da original engling anglaias lzozlzoz englisshes:
        http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/06/09/i-luvs-you-allls-o-ye-of-little-faith/

        ands hwe here da latins for all da phi beta beta beta tea kappa betaboyz zlzozozozzozozoozozlz:

        i luvs te allls o vos parum fidei

        ad omnes uiduae cum feles
        qui semel pascebant insidiatur in spinsterhood / servientes debitum lxolllozlzl
        ad omnes fanboys in xit una mom scriptor basements
        cuius dads numquam cognovit quia pascebant tookawy fatehrhood lzozlzl
        ad omnes contritum familes
        qui secantur, haedos pascere oportet facere salaria
        ad omnes canus necon womenz celeberating secretive tapings de butthex sine semel girlths conthent lzozllzlzozlzl sunt tircked vos
        ad omnes VIDUA chix iterum i sum contristati sunt sdesouled vobis
        in asscokcing sessins consopiti te in prozac
        vobis ad APSTRAHO haedos tuos non mirum your’re d [expressi et omnes fucjked usque non lozlzlzlzling hic
        mea viscera ad vos Tucker max & Goldman sax risum zlzolzlzl
        quoque omnes abortivi fetushes quaeritur veniam mereri non et ad omnes insidiatur in abortum donum vitae lzozllzllzl nos dimittimus u etiam et pro semel fethuses, sed non in schola orationem est illegal in schola lozlzllzlz
        ad omnes inthe ortu genertaion qui erit redde eorum parentes culturae et pecuniariis debita lzozlz bellum est non fun sed scriptor parte semel pascebant scriptor fiat bulla cyclum lzozlzllz ita similis post th e patria vadit imaginem bellum incipiat in ultimum sentinam et udmp ratio te cogitari enron / worldcom / fannae Mae mala lolzozlzlz iustum expectare lzozlzlll i spem non et ai pro pacem lozlzlz maybe nos potest omnes discere vivere et FIO sed i putant esset committitur cum verum et nobilitate et honorem et ocurage et virtus et non cum fiat debitum et butthex lozlzlzl quod suus iustus nDo gues lectione heroduts et magna boooks et classis in Graeca et latina zlzolzllzlzl

        et Biblia etiam de Sodomorum et gomorroah non yuknow amet sodomycame forma Sodomam et gonnoreah de gommroah? lzozllz kidding ut secundo i dubitas fecit sed maybe qui scit i numquam eitehr sodomiticum nec gonorreah et i ahve numquam Sodomam nec gomoorrah

        Sodomorum est; ve fuit ridiculam loco lzolzlozolllzzll et furiosum pars vel duo et editor in chiefstress Priscilla painton ad Simon et schuster esset apta ius in editae Tucker max librorum alleluia i betin gmorrah habebant turris confusionem cum ofices Simonis et schuster in summo trans aula formans pascebant lzozlzlzllzlzlzlzllzlzlz

        aliquando i mirum si poetae et prophetas adhuc mutare mundi?

        vel sunt trainde quoque, etiam multis mulieres ad odio, et dumbed descendit et consopiti nimis multa menz? sunt destoryed etiam multi patres et occidit multis familias? habent y deocnstructed tyoo librorum et effundetur etiam multo sanguine et abortivi etiam multis fetuthes ut est quoque multis. sunt praescripta ritalin ad etiam multis cretaive sols in chool in prozac ad etiam multis qui opus ad esse adflictus et sustinere cum APSTRAHO foetus ut deus nobis affectus et facit non operam ad amet stae corproate doctores ut omnes Glossarium ex non attendentes statu lzozlzzll et nunc est prognosticis ut a diseas lzozlzlz.

        lozlzlzzlzl

        bene juust voluit dicere i luv u omnes et delicatus II scire ya et excipit abords lzozlzl

        et II asnwer mea super quaestiones
        me jsut dicere
        semel magna librorum
        non esse magna
        si non immortalis
        et offerunt nobis redemptionem
        in momento committitur habitabat tehir ideasl
        et heroicis superior fabulas
        ponere tuam odium et secretive butthex machinae magnetophonicae
        et levare crucem
        et venit sequitur me
        et me shoulderyour onus
        meo iugum est lux
        Dantes scripsit la vita nuova-in vita
        IV invenias vitae tempus et u
        enim ad perdit unum vetus via est ad fuind in novus
        ita non timere
        lozlzlzlzlzlz omg wtf sum i dicens lzozlzlz
        i fere cecinit mea operimentum hic ut semel Messias lzozlzllll abscondam beind omnes lzozlzllzlzlzlzlzlzlles sed a duobus vobis ahve captus in lzozlzlzlzllzlzl

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 11:19 pm electricangel1978

        Somewhere in Inferno, Vergil just split a gut laughing.

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 10:06 am M

        might be funny if u transleted neoconlogisms as well…

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 8:33 pm Obstinance Works

        Hello Great Balls For Manginas. I took Ritalin once in High School. I memorized a two page poem in 15 minutes and scored a 100 on the recall test. I knew then I would became a very dangerous man if I ever got hooked. So never did again.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 3:08 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      when i was attendindgz a prestiguous ivy leaague instsitution, one time i gotz invited to a party af a preistsious club and it said “cockatail attire reqauirieid.” lzozlzozoz

      so i shows up in my t-shirts and jeans and add ada big bouncer goes “sorry cocktail attire only”

      so i looks at him and say, “DUH! i gotz the cock where’s da tail?” lzozozoozozoz

      truee story dey let me in and my lostass cockas found lotsas tails day night

      and i banged many of dem but no kidz as dey had been told dat sex sex sex wwas justs tft for funz zlzlzozozozo and not for little gbfms zzlzllzlozlozlozzlzzo many of whom were aborted in the neocthcocnths war on the preemepeptive war on da unvbornz zlozlzozz

      weleles at elast i gododn’ don’t pay norr no chidlds uspport i guesss, and you knowaxz how these dayszz the fed saysz women can takeddd da chcildren away as dey ar epoker chips in the fed’s welath-rtransfer schemee whence they seize a man’s property his very own chcildreenzz and then riad his bank acocungt pensiozzn savings to grow doa fedeeral stta refeder fed state lzozloz

      welll poorr bernenekz can only creatatse worthless debt, so datz why daey need da feeinsi8st pplice tstate to conevertt dat eowtherless debt into physcial proepertesiised and asstetsts zlzozoozo

      so it is dat date place the buttehxters next to teh fiat beernkakkeifier matserz in hell, as both occicucptations are crimes against art and naturrteh as both are unnatatural and uyeiedl no furirtz lzzoozlozoozoz yield nofirtisz z zno furtiiuss slzlozl furits!!!

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 3:34 pm M

        they yield no friust i guess… thees an argumant sayz ight here that unborne no soul = so how can kill? aslo how can strike back empire striekd back and was left in susts/.

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 3:45 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        whata thef ucck ar you syaying? what the fuckci is worong with yoru garrammarz?? can you pleassre aski again in the king’s englis!!! da bnoeocnths ladies like charoletete allene at da wekely standytadh ar every particicuular about grammarz, alothough sectieve tapikings of butthex iwthout teh grirlth skiwnwoing it is ebeing taped is cool with dem

        zlzoozllzo

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 7:25 pm corvinus

        Da fact dat de neeocon bernankified wimminz at da weakly standerdz like da butthexingz should be common sensnse llololzololzol affter all, it was da neoconzz who butthexed da entyre cuntry with de iraqqq warz aand handded it over to obamamamania and da butthexorz in da dummocunt partyz lollolozozolozl

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 7:53 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        i think you misssspleled buttehxt?

        anyyhwowow where here is show youse should pronounce it:

        butthhhh – thhext’! as in “i never tried butth-thext! before!” before you tae it secretly with your buddy, en route to a massive picblihsing delazz with da new eyorkes neocteheonsgstshh lzozozlzo

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 9:53 pm Rick Derris

        I really wonder how anybody can believe Tucker Maxth after watching that interview. The entire interview is available at JihadTube and the callers rip him a new one.

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 12:23 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozozlzo

        whether they are made up or ture

        it is true dat

        made up or true storieszz of secrteev tapingz of butthext getz u paid and promoteed by powefrurul woemnz at sodom and scheister simon and shcuchuster and at da weekly standatdtdh lzozozozoz

        can you imagaine hemeiongway or fitzgeralald or hemingway or fitxeggrald peddling storeisis about sceteive tyapinsgs of butethxxtx? lzozolzol

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 12:29 am Dan Fletcher

        I agree with Rick on this particular interview. Something just seems a little off about Mr. Max in that video. He touches his face a lot and seems to get a bit nervous when they questions him about the tape. Something about his tonality and speech cadence scream “LIAR”

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 1:52 am corvinus

        i think you misssspleled buttehxt?

        I see, truu dat, I’m stitill a noobob at dis dialeectits lololollzolzolz

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 8:01 pm Obstinance Works

        Yeah a Dante’s Inferno reference. I read that once.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 5:00 pm Anon

      Eminem, Steven Tyler, Mick Jagger, [insert random rock star that gets tons of bitches], etc. have plenty of kids.

      Most alpha males have kids, George Clooney excluded. Usually, it’s the middle/upper middle class alpha males that avoid fathering kids because they’re the ones who will get raped in family court.

      “This is, really, the great advantage that boffing smart chicks offers to men: worry-free sex.”

      Worry-free (child support-free) sex only happens if the chick doesn’t need money or if your value is not much greater than hers. Nothing to do with intelligence.

      [heartiste: wrong. worry-free sex happens when 1) the chick absolutely craves your demon seed and 2) she is smart enough and conscientious enough to use birth control.]

      I propose a better, stricter measure of alphaness: the number of chicks in your sexual history who go to great lengths to get impregnated by you without your consent.

      [dumb chicks do this. smart chicks try to get the man they love to fall in love with them before pulling the ol’ gotcha pregnancy on them as a last resort.]

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 1:05 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      i intend fully 2 have two sonszz and teach them how to lzozlozozozl at da world and to have two duaghterz and raise them well and keep da neooctching butthxintging coajkas away from der bugholez zlzozozoz so dat day don’t end y da butt of the joke butt of the neoconths publishing publicicicictyieeis joke lzozozozozoozzlzozolz

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 1:07 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      lozozozo hey hearatsyistzzixitesz!!! someododboy took y poem as their signatures!!~!~

      zlzozozozozoz

      agreed
      Logged
      “da professional womenz ode”

      alpha fucks and beta bucks
      dat is how we roll
      da butthexting cockass we fucks and sucks
      and in our anuthes it doth deosul
      alpha fucks and beta bucks
      it is da way of da fed
      to transfer assetss to dose who butthext
      cuckold dose who pay for our bread
      beta bucks and alpha fucks
      it’s what day teach us we;’re entitled too
      da assetts from betas we plucks
      after da alphas desol us through our hole for poo
      lzozozlzzolzlzlzlz
      cuckold da betas cockhold da alphas
      datsz what day taught us in mba grad school
      as da feiisnsits see no truth nor justice in their laws
      and say da great books for menz was all fools.
      yes, yes, i did very good on my gmats
      dey bernenakifed my soul away, left me with cats

      GBFM, internet phenomenon

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 1:08 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        dis is where day have reposted my poetry da proems of da GBFM! lozozozoz http://tallonzektimes.org/bb/index.php?topic=48128.30

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 2:15 pm Adam

      Eminem’s entire existence and song ideas come from oneitis. So no, he’s far from an alpha. If it weren’t for his ability to say stuff that rhymes, he’d be a bunch of black guy’s bitch.

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 4:31 pm M

        have some decency to admit that hes a genius in his field

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 5:18 pm Adam

        Dr. Seuss shits all over Feminem

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  2. on May 9, 2012 at 2:49 pm BD

    As I said before Heartiste, you havin’ a little Heartiste as a legacy is much better than an online archive. Don’t care how you do it, but you should have a little dude.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 3:19 pm Anon

      Yeah, but not everyone is into the spyke and tyke fantasy.

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 3:24 pm BD

        It’s not a “fantasy” by any means. The way I see it, what could be more fun than getting your alpha on while watching (and training) your own little alpha to get his alpha on? Or Heartiste can be like all those liberals that don’t have any kids and eventually die off. But, hey, if Heartiste teaching us alpha is like us being his children in his mind, so be it.

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 4:08 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Read Diotima’s description of love in Socrates’ speech in the Symposium (207). The urge for immortality leads us to “father” intellectual heirs just as surely as it leads us to create physical ones, and Socrates considers this more pure replication to be superior to breeding.

        Then again, Socrates was ugly as sin. His handsome young transcriber Plato, however, was not — at least before he was “corrupted” by the old bisexual goat.

        Matt

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 4:21 pm M

        all hail plato(o)n; what is modern state but plato’s wet dream…

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 11:02 pm Anonymous

        Here here. It was Aristotle via John Locke who was the original father of America. Now Plato’s mysticism has corrupted everything. Every forward step in the history of Western man has come courtesy of Aristotle; fiat butthexing bernankes are the mutant offspring of Plato. As well as Christianity.

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      • on May 11, 2012 at 3:31 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Western civilization isn’t Plato alone. It is the conversation between Plato and Aristotle, and by extension, Augustine and Aquinas. An occasional quote isn’t an endorsement of Plato’s thinking as a whole, much less applause for the modern state.

        “Plato’s mysticism has corrupted everything.”

        If you’re going to promulgate the teachings of Socrates’ best critic, at least mention him by name, if not provide a quote of your own. We’re big boys here, and Fred said it better.

        Nietzscheanism leads to despair if you’re not careful. But if you are careful, his critique becomes indispensable to understanding how to get ourselves out of the postmodern predicament. But the seductions of despair often sap us of the energy to put Nietzsche to good use. The “corruption” is more than a corruption. It is a “bow” drawn back taut, aiming our arrow at the highest goals.

        … we good Europeans and free, very free spirits—we still feel it, the whole distress of the spirit and the whole tension of its bow! And perhaps also the arrow, the task, who knows? the target …..

        Matt

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 3:50 pm King A (Matthew King)

      Give him a break. He is reverse-engineering a justification for his life choices with a limited intellectual toolbox. As if such a justification is necessary, or as if we care. It’s precious.

      He may yet mature into the serenity of age, which allows a fellow to make confident arguments without claiming his every decision represents the apogee of human volition and behavior. It’s a kind of debilitating superiority complex that he keeps doubling down on. In pursuit of that gambling strategy, all bets of maturity are off.

      The stubborn old are the ugliest specimens of humanity there are. Fortunately (and unfortunately) he isn’t old yet. I’ll be here when his scintilla sparks, if it ever does. I am here for those of you already scintillating, as he was there for you in a prior stage of development. Because I’m a real bro like that.

      Matt

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 4:15 pm dicipres

        You’ll be here in the comments section?

        Write a blog man, you sound like a smart dude. The manosphere needs blogs by smart dudes to help the next generation of young men.

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 4:30 pm Ripp

        “The stubborn old are the ugliest specimens of humanity there are.”
        Queen B, we know; With just ASCII characters you couldn’t be a better example.

        Activity time must be over at the retirement home today.

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  3. on May 9, 2012 at 3:24 pm King A (Matthew King)

    Your definition of alpha is selective and fluid and begs the question.

    State the alpha male’s telos plainly in your words. To live longest and fuck the most without leaving a genetic legacy?

    In ethology, and in every other instance of your use of evolutionary psychology, the driving force is the perpetuation of the gene coincidental to any specific instance of relative benefit (such as sexual pleasure) for the individual carriers. The beast isn’t exerting its will, its genes are. Alpha wolf is just along for the exciting ride.

    Except now you subtract the telos of the gene and replace it with what? Individual instances of finite, contracepted pleasure. The unwitting slaves to the gene-master’s will have subverted the original ultimate purpose with a rubber. The former slaves are alpha in characteristic but not in result. So which is it? Are the genes still in control, or have the slaves successfully revolted to establish new ends?

    Further, how long can alpha “winners” perpetuate themselves if prophylactics are now a condition of their winning in your selection scheme? You seem to be fixated on one anomalous period in evolutionary history — the one you happen to be living in, where the effect of contraception has not yet genetically imprinted itself onto instinct — rather than the ultimate results of that evolution. Which makes a kind of selfish sense since you’ll be dead and won’t care. But your conclusions are peculiar to this time and speak nothing about the day after tomorrow.

    I hold no brief for theories of patriarchal alphadom, they sound like an MRA rear-guard fixation to justify family and fidelity. They misapply the terminology of the savage pack to the dynamics of mediated civilization. It’s a simple error in extrapolation. The same as your own error: to think of us as nothing more sophisticated than wolves with condoms. At bottom, this is true. And in fact, we discount the influence of our instincts far too much in this weak piping time of peace. But man is the animal with the ability to transcend and manage his instincts. Indeed, contraception is the very product of that unique human quality.

    Whatever you say. But you’re not consistent with your own pretenses.

    Matt

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 3:54 pm M

      it’s curious when man applies animal rules to his kingdom. what abounds?

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 4:03 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      lzozozozo hey KINGB king i hear what you are sayin!!!

      civilization with the advent of he heroic stories such as the iliad and odyssey, such as exodus and virgil’s aeneid, defined the alpha as the good, the chivalrous, and the just man. men of character and integrity excelled at work and in life, and civil society was set up so as to afford them a loving, honorable, none-buttcocked wife. following gina and butt tingles, which cosmo and bernakenes legal team encouragages todayz womenz to do, was frowned upon. men honored god, women honored men, and children honored their parents. today men honor buttehxhing sectrive tapings of buttehx, short douchebagd, women honor gina and butt tinges, and the children are aborted.

      the feminist alpha is the buttcoking, short buttcocker who lies about his heigh and succtehethht.

      the classical alpha is moses, odysseus, achilles, and virgil–the pious virgil who fought for honor, goodness, and glory, who fled his burning troy carrying his father on his back, alongside his religious totems, and went on to found rome. when odysseus returns on home, he kills all the arrogant buttcocker douchebags trying to woo his loyal wife penelope, and then has his son round up all their whores and string them up in the backyard, “cleaning house.” today, the arrogant buttcocker douchebags–the short men who lie about tehir hight and succeteh and tape buttocking is=n secrete, are sold to teh world as alphas.

      but the true alphas of western civilization have ever been defined by the hallmark of western civilization that has spearheaded all science, religion, and freedom–the classical, honorable soul.

      lzozlozolzozolzloz dat was my first sentsstence in ten years iwth no typsozoso!!!!!!! lzozozl Halalaauaajujahah!!!!

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 3:00 pm Ripp

        great books for men rhymes with mother hen

        lzozlozolzozolzloz

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      • on May 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm King A (Matthew King)

        first sentsstence in ten years iwth no typsozoso!!!!!!!

        Cheers to that. Now let’s find you a shift-key. No no no, not the CAPS LOCK. Right below it.

        I’m right with you about megalopsychia, brother. The idea has been so eradicated from us that to even speak about it sounds like gibberish to these Last Men and barbarian wannabes presently gathered.

        I say, look to the next generation of boys, who haven’t yet been so jaded by betraying bitches to be incapable of squaring the circle. It’s too late for the rest of these bitter, burnt, former betas with vengeance still fevering their brains.

        Or:

        How will they proceed?

        They will begin by sending out into the country all the inhabitants of the city who are more than ten years old, and will take possession of their children, who will be unaffected by the habits of their parents; these they will train in their own habits and laws, I mean in the laws which we have given them….

        Yes, that will be the best way. And I think, Socrates, that you have very well described how, if ever, such a constitution might come into being.

        — The Republic by Plato, Book VIII

        Matt

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 4:10 pm Anonymous

      Pleasant words but in no way you’ve managed to debunk this blog’s definition.
      I like the wordcraft but the sophistry is tiresome.

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 4:22 pm M

        you debunk glp not heartiste l0l

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 5:21 pm Ripp

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/09/23/what-is-anti-game/

        In the comments section linked above you can read some entertaining re-runs re hashing similar issues: Traditionalists, anti-gamers and the usual assortment of sour grapers; naturally the ones who refute the truths are also the ones who have no practical experience or success with consistently bedding attractive women. Without surprise they’re Omega and Beta men that rationalize their life’s lack of sexual satisfaction.

        Creating stories by disparaging what is unattainable is a pure example of cognitive dissonance.

        The humbled man, as Queen B describes himself, would admit he is Omega.

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      • on May 11, 2012 at 2:07 pm King A (Matthew King)

        My little toy puppy dog yipping at my heels since 09/23/2011. At what point will his little puppy brain wrap itself around the idea that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence?

        I don’t mind useful idiots like Ripp. They are tools, and tools have their utility. But the one-note critique is boring. He knows nothing about me — by deliberate policy — and for at least seven months now he is filling in the blanks to provide the whole of his criticism.

        His shtick amounts to an idiot trying to bait a shark with a bit of twine and bubble gum, and concluding the shark must be timid. Would anyone here volunteer personal data that can be used to damage one’s reputation to a sloppy niggling fool just to “win” an online point that is already obvious to anyone with the capacity to understand it? It’s not even plausible on the simplest level.

        Further (and I’ve been over this before with the same commenter, I think): how does he imagine such evidence can be presented? How can anyone online judge the real from the fabricated? Does he think we all must produce charts of names and dates and encounters to prove our bona fides before we’re allowed to speak?

        No. Those of us who have experience detect the tone and demeanor of other experienced people. Those without radar make a fuss about empirical proofs and call for demonstrations to satisfy the authenticity most people familiar with the subject have already acquired by instinct and couldn’t imagine obsessing over.

        If you think my experience is fabricated bullshit — God bless you, and consider my conclusions accordingly. I am sure many of you do. If you need to personally verify the source of wisdom before considering the truth of that wisdom plainly presented, you are an insecure piker with limited rhetorical and cognitive capacities. Am I supposed to give a flying fuck about these typical handicaps of readers? I care only insofar as they distract others. I dismiss and neutralize them with the minimal effort possible.

        Matt

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      • on May 11, 2012 at 7:06 pm Ripp

        Poor queen B, he seems upset again. Miss your meds today? Always the same qualification chain response; writing 6 paragraphs attempting to mask the fact he’s a sexless history nerd.

        “Those of us who have experience detect the tone and demeanor of other experienced people”
        Experienced at reading history books and making shit up in your head?
        Makes sense why nobody identifies with your ramblings…except other sexless history nerds.

        Queen B it’s clear you disagree with CH’s post regarding the definition of Alpha. Fair enough. Yet when you pour out you’re unfiltered cerebral QWERTY masturbation sessions and mix in disparaging remarks about the author you’ve already dismissed yourself via the first sentance:

        …usual assortment of sour grapers…

        Mildly amusing for me to shine a flashlight on your reply and await your elderly rant. [smirk, yawn].

        Have para-transit take you to the park or something. Get outside and talk to people for a change.

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      • on May 15, 2012 at 4:36 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Way out of your depth, son. It’s okay to have limits as long as you acknowledge them.

        Some quick advice for you. Don’t pick fights above your weight class. And when you receive the inevitable beat-down, don’t pretend no one noticed.

        Only a grown-up special-ed student would think erudition is mutually exclusive with social sophistication. You must not know a sufficient cross-section of people with a higher education.

        If you’re going to insist your limited experiences constitute the whole of practical wisdom, at least try to make it applicable to my life. Maybe I am a shut-in with a wild imagination. Then again, maybe I’m not. Try pretending I’m not, and proceed accordingly. Do you have anything of value to say to someone who can both quote the classics and effortlessly attract women? Pretend with me here, arguendo.

        Other than cutting me down to a size you can handle, what else is anyone supposed to do so stupid and so obvious an error? Even for actual shut-ins, your advice is dogshit. No, Occam’s Razor says you’re just another proud midget with a chip on his shoulder. You yelp invective when you’re wounded, as if we can’t detect the hurt underneath.

        I wish you had some useful criticism. I welcome it, and I’d enjoy it.

        Matt

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 11:16 pm AlphaBeta

      All definitions “beg the question” if this is your definition of “begs the question” (this of course would lead to “begs the question” itself being begging the question). No, only arguments can beg the question, that is, assume what it is trying to prove. Heartiste offered a definition of alpha male; an axiom. An argument was put forth that follows from that axiom but this is still not begging the question.

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      • on May 11, 2012 at 1:41 pm King A (Matthew King)

        No, Heartiste offered a definition of “alpha” tailor-defined to support his argument today, which is inconsistent with his theories of gene-dominance in every other argument he has presented.

        Definitions do not beg the question by definition. It’s hard for me to even imagine how you conjured up this assertion. “Begging the question” means assuming the premises of your argument, which, in this case says the definition of alpha has nothing to do with genetic legacy because a concern with genetic legacy is by definition not alpha.

        This would be tolerable as a simple (if erroneous) assertion if it didn’t contradict his other, similar (and equally erroneous) assertions about the tyranny of the gene’s will over our behavior.

        Matt

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 1:06 am james

      Look at me, I has de big wordz.

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 8:42 am Herzog

      Alphaness(alphatude? alphatocity?) is not just genetic, its a man’s social status relative to the men around him. It has also been said here that alpha is a state of mind. My point is that even if mankind evolves differently due to contraceptive technology, the relative alpha’s will still be getting the sex and happiness, even if the current alpha’s have left the gene pool.

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  4. on May 9, 2012 at 3:27 pm Sidewinder

    This is why it is a CRIME that Heartiste does not include quality and quantity of prior women in his dating market test for men. There are so many variants of game that can work on girls. It’s the results that give the best indication.

    Quantity isn’t everything – some dudes get high number counts picking up the scraps at closing time.
    Quality isn’t everything – some dorks get lucky and nail the high school hottie they grew up with but then can’t get anything over a 5 from college on.

    But none of the criteria on the dating market test are determinative alone. Quantity and quality are just two more components that should be considered. I’ll leave it to the esteemed editor to determine the exact metrics.

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  5. on May 9, 2012 at 3:32 pm gritartisan

    Your tweet:

    “Women are much better than men at “switching off” their primal sexuality, which is why so many beta males think women are ethereal asexuals.”

    I think of it like the guys in the Death Star throwing the switches in order. You have to start with the first switch and get the timing and sequence down in order. Most guys don’t even reach for the first switch.

    If you game her right it culminates in an orgasmic blast that shakes the planet.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 3:37 pm Living It

      Her attraction triggers are based on the man in question.

      Alpha: Throws all the triggers in order, quickly, even before she knew what “happened”. Things “happened”. Things I “normally don’t do”.

      Beta/Omega: These guys turn off the power supply to the switches before the first one is throw.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 4:05 pm Sidewinder

      Not being cruel man, but you should really try not to think in Star Wars terms when it comes to anything having to do with picking up girls.

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 2:09 pm gritartisan

        You must have had a bad experience crossing swords.

        next time, jedi, use your blaster.

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  6. on May 9, 2012 at 3:42 pm Evan

    “U WILL NOT GET A BOOTY CALL OUTTA ME”

    http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=36940982

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 4:15 pm Living It

      “FYI DO NOT ASK FOR NUDE PIXS U WILL NOT GET THEM”

      Oh really?

      Sad omegas asking for nudies, or just hamster rationalization for making her believe that men desire her?

      For me, she can keep the pix.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 6:45 pm Days of Broken Arrows

      Nice to see people are picking up my habit of linking ridiculous online dating profiles, but next time link one w/a better pic.

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 7:00 pm Money

        Bingo.

        any man who booty calls her is lawfully required to turn in his man-card.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 7:38 pm Dan Fletcher

      Her booty probably has its own area code.

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 11:41 pm Living It

        If she sits the wrong way, it overlaps (heh) two zip codes.

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 9:11 am Greg Eliot

        That’s the first impression that came to my mind.

        Cell towers don’t cover that wide an expanse.

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 1:28 pm Plumnuts

      Pets : cat

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  7. on May 9, 2012 at 3:46 pm L

    Women are slores for the right guys or even the right wrong guys with the wrong but so right patter…

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  8. on May 9, 2012 at 3:49 pm Lara

    There are good reasons to have children, but being able to call yourself an alpha male is not one of them.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 4:34 pm King A (Matthew King)

      How is that? You would think that alpha virility would be too indomitable to be bounded under artificial restraints.

      Who cares if you spread your seed in every port, leaving abandoned incubators behind to puff up and procreate your line? Fatherhood is as artificial as contraception is as artificial as the rule of law. Is it the legal regime that dictates his prophylactic behavior, who commands his hand to roll the condom on? What true alpha animal is deterred by such social niceties as deadbeat laws and the obsolescing residue of shame culture?

      Consider the virgin who fathered some fourteen children. Only in a culture where sex and reproduction has been severed this severely might we contemplate the synthesis of the Ideal Alpha, so damn alpha that it is impossible for him to be concerned about any consequence of his sexual will — legal, social, or otherwise. He has sex to have sex. It’s civilization that insists his connection to the potential sprogs.

      Who is studlier, really? The forward-planning dweeb who shields his manly essence behind latex, or the bull who sticks his bull-cock wherever, however, whenever, and in whomever it wills? Perhaps since man is the thinking animal, he can enjoy the best of both worlds. Okay. But if he weren’t so fearful of the dictates of his instinct, he wouldn’t employ that thinking to the ends of prevention, which constrains his will prior to the action, but rather evasion, which allows his will to be more perfectly spontaneous and free. If he can imagine strategies to avoid potential pregnancies, he can imagine strategies to maintain identity concealment.

      Matt

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      • on May 13, 2012 at 8:18 pm carolyn

        well, an eye to prevention may enable him to seduce more successfully by way of disarming the target’s understandable anxiety. effort well expended.

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      • on May 15, 2012 at 5:50 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Point taken. But it still seems too calculated to be indicative of alpha instinct. Anxiety is part of the transaction. Does alpha mitigate/ soothe anxieties, or does he inspire his target to overcome them through sheer magnificence? You might say the level of anxiety he creates is one indicator of his worthiness and a kind of ultimate test of the limits of his attractiveness. You might say soothing of any kind is the seduction specialty of the beta.

        Brad Pitt would really like to spend the night you, but he has no condoms. Maybe next time. No worries, here’s Herb Lipschitz who most assuredly will not get you pregnant. He’ll even double up if that will help put you at ease. A worry-free encounter, 100% guaranteed!

        I guess it comes down to what constitutes a “successful seduction.” Is quantity or quality the standard? Twenty chubby SNL’s in a hundred nights, or five infatuations by quality girls in the same duration? Fading memories of the night a drunken alpha held his nose and fucked you, or carrying his superior genetic legacy meshed with yours in the flesh of your child? Depends on the goal. To imagine alpha is defined by quantity rather than quality is an extrapolation of personal preference rather than a reliable benchmark.

        Is it more impressive to temporarily dazzle some bewildered chick into what essentially amounts to mutual masturbation, or is it a bigger accomplishment to so capture her fancy that she wants to turn her life over to you — drop everything, leave her husband, have your (secret) kid? I’m not asking which is easier to deal with or even the typical preference of the alpha. I’m asking which is the rarer ability. I’m familiar with the latter to the point of routine, and the former I’ve long left behind as child’s play. “When I was a child, I spake as a child…”

        Matt

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  9. on May 9, 2012 at 3:53 pm L

    There are 0 good reasons to have kids these days.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 3:56 pm Sidewinder

      Strongly disagree. White people need to make having and raising babies their number one priority. Muslims, Blacks and Mexicans: slow down. East Asians: good pace.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 7:13 pm Obstinance Works

      I can’t tell you how many times I have come so close to giving in to my just wrong side to have a kid with a bride not my own. I don’t even know why I would do it.

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  10. on May 9, 2012 at 4:04 pm askjoe

    Look, we all know that the hosts are just waiting for the right older, mature, dynamic, vivacious, worldy woman to come along, sweep them off their feet to take a chance on some in-vitro trials in an off chance of producing a viable baby (knocks on wood, salt over shoulder, etc.). We all know Heartiste has a “Hillary Clinton divorce” RSS feed just for that reason.

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  11. on May 9, 2012 at 4:14 pm pliw

    alpha is now such a mainstream term that it’s lost most of its meaning. i’d define alpha as an attitude. the ability to sex many women is a side effect of said attitude.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 5:08 pm Ripp

      “…define alpha as an attitude. the ability to sex many women is a side effect of said attitude.”

      Agreed.

      Men can quarrel with hair splitting argument and banter forever to try and define Alpha. It’s an attitude; it’s a behavioral stimulus & response matrix that attracts and seduces beautiful women.

      Another way to help define Alpha attitude is to look at behaviors that are not Alpha:
      https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/09/23/what-is-anti-game/

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  12. on May 9, 2012 at 4:21 pm dicipres

    Regardless of alpha/beta/gamma… Fucking women with condom is insane from a biological standpoint. Feminists are eliminating themselves from earth by not having more than 2.1 kids on average, and maybe PUAs are too.

    A relevant post from my blog:

    “In nature, every action by every animal is highly influenced by the genes of the animal and every action by every animal is highly related to ensuring the propagation of animal’s genes. If we look at ourselves, the world in which we live in has changed very rapidly in the last thousand years, yet our genes barely changed during this time. This inconsistency between rapidly changing surroundings and slowly changing genes makes humans do things which are insane from a biological perspective.

    This insanity is manifested in numerous actions made by modern humans. A simple example to this insanity is paying a prostitute to have sex with you and using a condom. The reason you want to have sex with the prostitute emanates from your genes which entice you to have sex with the prostitute by injecting chemicals to your brain. Your genes are designed to a world without contraceptives and ‘think’ that you will impregnate the prostitute and thus ensure the propagation of your genes. However, in reality the chances of impregnating the prostitute are zero, since you live in a world with contraceptives. You are futility wasting resources and making a biologically insane action.

    You can say that you don’t care about your genes and pay to have sex with the prostitute… but basically you are still following genetic instructions given to you in the form of pleasure by your out-of-date genes. You say you don’t care about your genes, but you are very much controlled by them. If you go against your genes, and consciously act to make rational biological decisions, your genes will have better chance of propagating, but you might be less ‘happy’ since your out-of-date genes will punish you by taking away pleasure.

    The basic question here is: Where do ‘we’ begin and where our genes end?

    Many solutions to this question easily lead to nihilism. The approach of the Guide to the Young Patriarch is clearly expressed in the Principle Patriarchal Value:

    A genetic lineage is of the utmost importance to a patriarch.

    If you want to take the red pill and look at the world as it is, consciously making rational biological decisions is the only sane solution. It is disturbing like many other red pill realizations, but it is true all the same. All other approaches lead to an abyss of insanity. Ironically, since society often define sanity as being ‘normal’ (i.e. acting like others), at times the insane masses might blame a man following this path of having their vice.”

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  13. on May 9, 2012 at 4:22 pm dicipres

    Previous comment got stuck… reposting

    In nature, every action by every animal is highly influenced by the genes of the animal and every action by every animal is highly related to ensuring the propagation of animal’s genes. If we look at ourselves, the world in which we live in has changed very rapidly in the last thousand years, yet our genes barely changed during this time. This inconsistency between rapidly changing surroundings and slowly changing genes makes humans do things which are insane from a biological perspective.

    This insanity is manifested in numerous actions made by modern humans. A simple example to this insanity is paying a prostitute to have sex with you and using a condom. The reason you want to have sex with the prostitute emanates from your genes which entice you to have sex with the prostitute by injecting chemicals to your brain. Your genes are designed to a world without contraceptives and ‘think’ that you will impregnate the prostitute and thus ensure the propagation of your genes. However, in reality the chances of impregnating the prostitute are zero, since you live in a world with contraceptives. You are futility wasting resources and making a biologically insane action.

    You can say that you don’t care about your genes and pay to have sex with the prostitute… but basically you are still following genetic instructions given to you in the form of pleasure by your out-of-date genes. You say you don’t care about your genes, but you are very much controlled by them. If you go against your genes, and consciously act to make rational biological decisions, your genes will have better chance of propagating, but you might be less ‘happy’ since your out-of-date genes will punish you by taking away pleasure.

    The basic question here is: Where do ‘we’ begin and where our genes end?

    Many solutions to this question easily lead to nihilism. The approach of the Guide to the Young Patriarch is clearly expressed in the Principle Patriarchal Value:

    A genetic lineage is of the utmost importance to a patriarch.

    If you want to take the red pill and look at the world as it is, consciously making rational biological decisions is the only sane solution. It is disturbing like many other red pill realizations, but it is true all the same. All other approaches lead to an abyss of insanity. Ironically, since society often define sanity as being ‘normal’ (i.e. acting like others), at times the insane masses might blame a man following this path of having their vice.

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  14. on May 9, 2012 at 4:25 pm Anon

    Is there a distinction to be made between alpha on the prowl (this blog’s definition) and alpha in a relationship (eg sean connery)?

    Because many alphas end up cuckolded because they can’t keep the bitch in line (eg kurt cobain). Being cuckolded is the mark of betas.
    And many paper alphas (strong masculine men) who may be awkward seduction-wise can keep a woman’s interest level high enough for a long time.

    Besides, there is the old debate about the alpha to men/alpha to women thing.

    But I don’t really challenge this blog’s definition, because it makes more sense evolutionarily speaking; and lifetime monogamy is a recent half-failed adaptation.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 4:51 pm Anon

      WTF?

      Watch any Kurt Cobain documentary. His interviews & gripes about not being able to get laid before becoming famous make him super omega. Dude couldn’t even look at the camera. His inherent personality was so omega that even his alpha celeb status could not undo it.

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 3:11 pm Anon

        Yes, but according to this blog’s definition, he was alpha because lots of attractive women were throwing their panties at him. H defended him as alpha in the comment section of “defining the alpha male”.
        He was a situational alpha, with all his alpha capital locked into his artistic talent and fame, but he was alpha nonetheless, ie he was in a position to get more pussy than anyone else.

        That’s my small objection to this blog’s definition, a player with a rock solid inner game and another one who is only peacocking can be both alphas, but they are so different in essence that it’s confusing, but not that confusing if you consider getting pussy as an end.

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 12:05 am Anonymous

      “and lifetime monogamy is a recent half-failed adaptation.”

      Recent in the grand scheme of things…but not so much so in human species terms- it was from the odd monogamous notions of the Roman Empire that we got most of the doctrine that is claimed to be “God’s Will” by Christianity as a whole. Early doctrine followed that of the Jewish culture- wherein you were supposed to marry at least ONE if not more wives (Signs of this abound in the Old and partly in the New Testament…).

      If you think it’s “God’s Will” that you marry only one woman…heh…that’s a notion that came from out of Islam (Which also has really…odd…notions about Monogamy…) or Catholicism.

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      • on May 11, 2012 at 12:23 pm Ed the Department Head

        You are totally right! I am horrified by how many Christians think monogamy was a Judeo-Christian thing when it was an Indo-European practice rising from Greco-Roman customs. Israelites practiced polygamy. They had more in common with old style Mormons then with shrieking Protestant monogamy fanatics.

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  15. on May 9, 2012 at 4:52 pm Tucker Max from Goldman Sachs

    If I have de-souled all of your future wives by butthexing them and during an act that is supposed to be loving and affectionate and repeatedly and systematically treating them to degrading and abusive manner doesn’t that make me an Alpha?

    If I have crashed you house prices, stolen your wealth, increased your colledge debt for a meaningless degree and moved a family of 20 mexican meth distributors into your neighbourhood doesn’t that make me an Alpha?

    If I can do all this with political financial and mass media support what world are we living in?

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 9:13 am Greg Eliot

      All the earmarks of the Bible being correct… Satan is the current ruler of ‘this system of things’.

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  16. on May 9, 2012 at 5:08 pm GeishaKate

    I’ll take a greater beta with fries, please.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 6:59 pm (R)Evoluzione

      That way you can maintain at least a little hand over your spouse. The minute he gets some game, he’ll jump to a lesser alpha.

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 7:16 pm GeishaKate

        But now he has potentially eighty-five more previous partners and is having two affairs. Nope, he needs to stay a greater beta.

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 4:44 pm (R)evoluzione

        Lucky for you, few greater betas are inquisitive enough nor ballsy enough to take on the transformation to an alpha.

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    • on May 13, 2012 at 4:12 pm King A (Matthew King)

      You’ll take what I say you’ll take.

      Right now you get a Happy Meal with jello and a nice warm cup of STFU.

      But seriously: “I’ll take a greater beta with fries, please.”

      No you won’t. You’ll always be looking around the room, humming the Pearl Jam ode to hypergamy, until you meet the man who insists, “Bitch, stop looking around the room.”

      Matt

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      • on May 13, 2012 at 5:06 pm GeishaKate

        WHAT??? I didn’t know you worked at McDonald’s! Besides, I don’t eat that stuff. I’m unreLenting. Don’t you tell me what I will or won’t do, bossyboo. And just how do you plan to shut me up from whatever corner of the world you hail. Say it to my face, why don’tcha. I told you I could curtail it and I have; its just unfortunate that I do it without anyone having insisted upon it since that makes the whole thing rather pointless:)

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      • on May 13, 2012 at 8:08 pm carolyn

        i think the default rule of thumb is that we sit down and shut up. an order eminently suitable for all and every occasion. at least that’s what i think king a’s saying.

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      • on May 14, 2012 at 11:30 am GeishaKate

        No worries, carolyn. We’re just sparring. I’m expecting him to return with a Whopper.

        (“The suspense is terrible. I hope it will last.”- Wilde)

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      • on May 16, 2012 at 9:38 pm King A (Matthew King)

        And just how do you plan to shut me up from whatever corner of the world you hail?

        Please. Heartiste and I are buds. All I have to do is say the word and my bro will put the BANHAMMER down on you. Because he knows the most important rule of all: bros before hos. [fist bump]

        I “hail” from the cold climes, the high mountains, where the air is icy and pure.

        I’m actually encouraged by your spunky defiance, like Harriet The Spy or Sally Kimball. Moxie makes the eventual breaking funner, more rewarding to have to earn it.

        I’ll say it to your face. Email me your skype account. Or if you’d rather compress the timeframe, you can just go straight to providing me your physical address. You only live once, right?

        Matt

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 8:53 am GeishaKate

        Heartiste would do no such thing. He is a gentleman. I know this because I was once in an elevator with him overnight and he didn’t lay a finger on me 🙂

        [heartiste: better lay a finger on my butterfinger.]

        Anyway, you’re too late. I was ficticiously married in absentia yesterday to a very fine man…and woman. I’m a sister wife now. Even if I could be persuaded to leave my firework for a Burger King, I could never abandon a sister.

        [scissor sister?]

        I can’t email you. You haven’t left enough bread crumbs. But, you’re right, the physical address is what its all about. Unfortunately, no one wants the one they’ve broken.

        [unless it’s a horse.]

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 2:32 pm GeishaKate

        Neigh?

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 7:43 pm King A (Matthew King)

        What did I miss? Did you have some sort of assignation with our dear webhost that fried your circuits? You are speaking cryptically like a post-virginal Mayabot. Are you giving us bulletins from The Sims or Second Life?

        I leave “bread crumbs” in every comment I post. You’re just daft to the point of overlooking the obvious.

        Unfortunately, no one wants the one they’ve broken.

        That’s like saying the thief doesn’t want the jewel inside the hardest safe he ever had to crack. There’s a reason why “playing hard to get” is so universally recognizable a tactic that it has turned into cliché.

        Less of the self-pitying Tori-Amos pianissimo over brokenness, more of the shit-hot Amy-Lee power-chord version.

        The best female vocal cords in rock singing the profoundest lyrics in rock (not that it’s a high standard):

        The worst is over now
        And we can breathe again.
        I want to hold you high,
        You steal my pain away.
        There’s so much left to learn
        And no one left to fight …

        Matt

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 1:59 pm GeishaKate

        *sigh*

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 5:21 pm GeishaKate

        Well, I can’t find you. So, here’s a revolutionary idea. Why don’t YOU find ME?

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 6:06 pm King A (Matthew King)

        I wouldn’t want to rob you of the sense of accomplishment when you finally figure out the obvious. It’s in every single post. Hrm.

        What’s with the sigh? That’s the sound of a mouth farting. Seriously, I’m a perceptive fellow. You’ve lately begun talking in some kind of code. “Married in absentia”? Either I missed something, you’re being so subtle that it’s impossible to detect your point, or you’re on an early boat to senility.

        The slow drift to insanity as a woman passes through her child-birthing years is one of the under-reported facts of life. Right now your chatter is indistinguishable from the menopausal’s. There’s a fine line between banter and the curse of Ophelia.

        Matt

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 6:27 pm GeishaKate

        Stop goading me, you big brute. I am not sparring now. If you’re assuming I can click on your name, I can’t. The sigh means you are tiring me and I can’t be any more explicit. Ophelia wasn’t cursed. She made the mistakes of sleeping with the man she loved and listening to her father. Hamlet: beta max. Anybody could see Fortinbras was the alpha of that play.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 6:32 pm GeishaKate

        And I am not a woman passing through her child-birthing years. Those years are behind me and I already have a child. I don’t know why men can’t seem to remember this.

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 12:08 am King A (Matthew King)

        Pulling teeth. Take the ‘http : //’ off. Then what do you get?

        “Passing through” should have just read “passing.” My point is, after women have served their biological purpose, their brains, with nothing more to support, begin their rather stark deterioration.

        Why can’t you be more explicit?

        Matt

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 9:14 am GeishaKate

        I can’t be more explicit because this is a public thoroughfare. Your hint was no help at all, and now I have to go to the dentist.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 9:02 am GeishaKate

        And thank you for sharing that beautiful passage.

        [heartiste: passage to bang cock.]

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 2:33 pm GeishaKate

        I hear its lovely this time of year.

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  17. on May 9, 2012 at 5:11 pm Gator

    This is the “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin” debate of today’s manosphere.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 7:40 pm Dan Fletcher

      A++

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 10:08 am M

        need more than abs for abstract logic

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  18. on May 9, 2012 at 5:30 pm euro

    I generally agree with the argument that having kids it not necessarily alpha.

    but have a look at this guy. http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/02/12/the-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-living-alone/man-i-need-a-good-cuddle

    from what he writes he sounds like your poster child beta. yet he is a founder, investor, and has two sons from two wives. one can’t deny that he is in alpha territory and his sons increase his alpha.

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  19. on May 9, 2012 at 5:34 pm SomeGuy

    Why don’t you do a post – or maybe point people towards a past post if you’ve done one – as to what exactly an “alpha male” is. As I understand it, even wolf culture is a bit more nuanced than just alpha-beta.

    What if an alpha male is sitting at a table of babes, and Dr. Muscles walks in, puts his hand in the alpha male’s face and pushes him backwards onto the floor. To the tittle and twitter of the girls there. And then Dr. Muscles says, “Get the fuck out”.

    Is he still an alpha male? Can an alpha male win every fight (in that case – he doesn’t exist with modern weaponry and conspiracy possibilities). Is it just confidence in *certain* situations? Part-time alpha males depending on the circumstances?

    I would REALLY appreciate a definition, because I think “alpha males” are kind of like the “Patriarchy” in stupid feminist theory.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 5:55 pm Anon

      “Why don’t you do a post – or maybe point people towards a past post if you’ve done one – as to what exactly an “alpha male” is”

      Re-read H’s post. 4th paragraph, 2nd line.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 7:01 pm Stuki

      It’s situational. In hard times, as well as in the long term, those with the ability to produce and defend are alpha. In temporary degenerate dystopias, parasitic assholes are.

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      • on May 9, 2012 at 7:17 pm askjoe

        well, yeah, you get what you reward people for doing. Here, we pay people to have kids. The only people this appeals to is the stupid and lazy because the monetary incentives aren’t that great (and, truth be told, the effort required to qualify is quite low)

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 7:56 am John Dark

      I dont think you understand the nature of violence. Muscles do not make a powerrful man. The most successful Karate instructor I ever fought with was a really small guy, but he had an agression (combined with skill) that was off the scale. He was a true Alpha (also very calm/cool). Alphas will always fight. THere is a lot of stuff on how this works on Martiat Arts sites. Read up.

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  20. on May 9, 2012 at 5:38 pm chi-town

    Not sure what is so hard about the simple concept that life style is not limited by the female selection process. Men in the west still can hardly pull off real polygamy while in other parts of the world they can. Has nothing to do with the alphatude but also with conditions and sentiment. It takes hard work to be with multiple women. If he can bed attractive women when he chooses, he is alpha.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 6:53 pm Ripp

      Agreed.

      “It takes hard work to be with multiple women.”
      I would omit the ‘hard’ qualifier, or…maybe it should be underlined.

      Grossly overlooked by younger and novice seduction artists, Beta and Omega men, is that there is a work component to maintain a robust rotation of sexual options with attractive women.

      If he can bed attractive women when he chooses, he is alpha.

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 10:12 am SomeGuyRedux

        Look at the contradictions two posts apart. John Dark says that “alphas will always fight”. They kick ass. That’s what an alpha is to him.

        Ripp thinks that a man who can bed attractive women when he chooses is an alpha.

        Well, which one is it? Or is it that all men who can always bed attractive women are simultaneously the best fighters and the best leaders and the smartest guys?

        Is that really what you people are claiming?

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 2:53 pm Ripp

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/defining-the-alpha-male/
        Carefully read the opening paragraph and therein lies your answer.

        Achieving mastery in business, martial arts, wicker basket weaving- or all three does not by itself attract and seduce beautiful women; not alpha.

        A masterful seduction artist who consistently beds beautiful women, is alpha. And it is likely (but not dependent upon) this alpha has other traits he is exceptional at: wicker basket weaving, making money, jujitsu, pooping, etc.

        Given current times and referencing the link above I have to disagree with John Dark: It’s likely that a skilled fighter may give off an alpha-like scent and on its own this provides more OPPORTUNITIES with attractive women, then say, a basket weaver. Yet the fighter skill set doesn’t automatically = competence with bedding beautiful women.

        Caveat: A FAMOUS fighter. And his FAME, is his seduction and will yield tons of puss.

        “Ripp thinks”
        Ripp knows.

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  21. on May 9, 2012 at 5:39 pm SomeGuy

    The closest definition I can think up is “someone who projects a lot of confidence and does whatever it is that women are instinctually looking for in a very situation and context-specific way”.

    Which doesn’t mean a whole lot – it boils down to doing what instinctually turns women on in situations in which you can get away with it.

    I welcome a better definition (but realistic pul-leeze: no single man is an alpha male all the time).

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  22. on May 9, 2012 at 5:40 pm SomeGuy

    Sorry, cross-posted with chi-town.

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  23. on May 9, 2012 at 5:57 pm SomeGuy2@noticedyourapparentbanafterthreeposts.com

    What bothers me about the “alpha” moniker:

    1) Co-opting all of these other things that have nothing to do with what you are really describing (ability to pick up chicks), like good fighting ability, good leadership ability, good business ability and all the rest.

    2) Doofballs saying things like “pure alphas like me … do this or that”. Napoleon Dynamite style. Jimmy Walker Dyn-o-mite style. Mostly braggarts like that are all surface.

    3) I know for sure that women’s tastes vary – one woman’s ultra-alpha is another woman’s laugh number. Moronic women are impressed by a Chevy Camaro, muscle shirt and loud, drunken bullying on the part of her “alpha male”. Other women may think “loser”. I can think that about any guy playing any “alpha” role, no matter how high up the hierarchy the “alpha” appears to be, which means that the concept is also much more situation-dependent than is acknowledged.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 8:25 pm Trimegistus

      There is indeed a situational component, and I think he should apply his formidable powers of analysis to that. The Jersey Shore douchebag who ropes ’em in down at the club won’t cause many tingles among the editorettes in Manhattan who all fantasize about getting banged by Michael Chabon. Meanwhile down the road in DC a pudgy White House staffer can simply point, nod, and bang.

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 12:30 pm Jason

      You’re so right about #3. The cultural items that women prize do vary from female to female: gals ain’t as monolithic as this site sometimes suggests.

      IMO, the only things they do all agree on are 1) a strong body and 2) for the man to be somehow more capable, in some area, than they are. That area varies from woman to woman based on personal taste, family upbringing, socioeconomic class, etc.

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  24. on May 9, 2012 at 6:13 pm Snoutsmack

    “Pete Campbell is slowly morphing into Don Draper, but he’ll never make it. He’s too try-hard.” (Tweet)

    Mad Men as a series will end when Don Draper jumps out of his office window as seen on the opening credits. The show’s hidden theme is supposed to be the “fall of the White man” (A Jewish fantasy). Dick “White-man” will jump from his window when his past catches up to him and he can’t run from it anymore. Mad Men fans will be “astonished” that this ending was “hidden in plain sight” as White gentile pathologies are supposed to be, according to the creator (Weiner) and his 7 kabbalistic sorceress writers.

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 4:14 am gunslingergregi

      nice

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 7:45 am GeishaKate

      I saw parts of a few episodes the other day and noticed that unusual intro. Interesting analysis. The ultimate drop out.

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 10:10 am M

      id love to read more of this regarding hollywood

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  25. on May 9, 2012 at 6:19 pm askjoe

    So, what is the point of the alpha point if not to have kids? You’d think that the bitches are hooking up with an allegedly superior man in an attempt to have superior kids. That may be true but don’t forget that women are social creatures who crave status and power. They may be in it (i.e., the sexy time) not for the kid creation, but to be associated with a man of higher stature, to thereby increase their perceive social standing.
    Like Monica bragged about getting presidential knee pads not because she wanted Chelsea Part Deux but because she had an empty hole in her soul that blowing a president would fill.
    Maybe KingA will or has wrote about this, but marriage and kids are bonds between two people in love, not just strangers getting off.

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  26. on May 9, 2012 at 7:04 pm Obstinance Works

    Uncle Sambo subsidizes all births in or out of marriage. So it’s really unalpha. I should get subsidized every time I wear a condom for all the bastards and tardettes I don’t procreate.

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  27. on May 9, 2012 at 7:10 pm Ulf Elfvin

    “If he can bed attractive women when he chooses, he is alpha.”

    Almost.

    If he can bed attractive women, who are free to choose, when he chooses, he is alpha.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 10:04 pm Anon

      I can extend this to yareally-esque proportions:

      If he can bed attractive women, who are free to choose, when he chooses, no matter the size of his wallet, the definition of his abs, the style of his hair (or lack of hair), and the cleanness of his clothes, he is a fucking alpha.

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 8:37 am Mark II

      So the Ottoman Sultan = “not alpha” because his harem isn’t free to choose. Please try again.

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 9:28 am carolyn

        that’s right. an accident of birth wouldn’t render an otherwise ordinary male an alpha. those women in the harem had no choice.

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 10:28 am Mark II

        That completely misses the point. Take Genghis Khan then. If Genghis Khan isn’t “alpha” because his consorts didn’t have “choice,” then the definition of “alpha” here is simply stupid and has no useful meaning.

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 10:53 am carolyn

        genghis khan was the sui generis badass,coming up from nowhere. _that’s_ what rendered him alpha and enabled him to impregnate willing or unwilling women in that very violent era.

        the sultan, OTOH, was appointed as heir apparent when his father was alive. now perhaps the father was looking for leadership qualities in his sons and used that as the basis for his choice, but not necessarily. he may have been swayed by other, less worthy considerations (the intrigues of his concubines and eunuchs) resulted in a very non-alpha sultanate. there were incompetent sultans whose mothers, the sultana, ran the show behind the scenes.

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 2:36 pm Mark II

        None of that matters in the slightest as it relates to female choice. Female choice is irrelevant to ‘alphaness.’ As you have implicitly admitted. Thank you.

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 3:01 pm Lara

        I agree with Carolyn. Female choice is the best measure of alphaness. It isn’t perfect, but it’s the best measure I can think of. We are very intuitive at detecting who is the dominant male.

        [heartiste: and not just any old female choice; HOT female choice. just look for the man enjoying the company of beautiful women. there’s your alpha.]

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 3:26 pm Lara

        Just like men can pick up on even the subtlest signs of female aging, women are equally attuned to signals of male dominance.

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      • on May 11, 2012 at 2:28 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Female choice is the best measure of alphaness.

        “Female” rightly understood, maybe. But for women who have deliberately abandoned their femininity, their compasses are way off. Using women for “the best measure” of anything is a faulty method because women are notoriously faulty by nature and, in this era of faultiness turbo-boosted by blind ideology, catastrophically so.

        The word “alpha” has become a talisman. It is a replacement for the philosopher’s term “summum bonum,” is situational to the argument, and by now has lost connection to its ethological origins. It is a thin veil over simple assertion, meaning whatever the asserter wants it to mean for the moment.

        Every now and then, someone will try to connect it back to pack-dynamics but without much rigor or consistency. And in this narrow-spectrum of sexual conversation, “alpha” must be defined sexually, despite the obvious truth that “dominance” can be applied to any and every area of scrutiny, most generally socially.

        How obvious is that truth? Well, is there no alpha-beta dynamic in say, the military, or must the sergeant go out to score more digits than a private before we can properly consider him alpha?

        If you’re going to specialize your study, specialize. But don’t start extrapolating to broader truths without presenting a solid reason for doing so.

        Matt

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  28. on May 9, 2012 at 7:28 pm corvinus

    Tell that to Genghis Khan and all those Muslim sultans. In Christian Europe, that tendency was tempered somewhat, although given all the people named FitzRoy in England, that is still debatable.

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    • on May 9, 2012 at 8:15 pm Trimegistus

      Alpha males like Genghis Khan and Suleiman had many children, but it wasn’t having many children that made them alpha males. He’s perfectly correct.

      Genghis Khan truly was the father of his country — and half a dozen other countries besides.

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 2:28 am traditional girl

      Yes, and I’d argue that even if, as CH mentions, “one bang [..] had a decent shot at impregnating a woman”, in “days of yore,” bangs were much, much harder to come by for the lowest status men than they are today. There simply aren’t tribal chiefs and their kin carefully guarding access to all women in their vicinity any longer. I think it’s likely that alpha traits were much more closely aligned with number of offspring in the ancestral environment (i.e. high status –> alpha traits; high status –> lots of surviving offspring).

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 7:14 am Anonymous

      I think there is a difference between holding a wife’s opinion in high esteem versus being ruled by her. A guy like Suleiman thought nothing of having a wife killed if she displeased him.

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  29. on May 9, 2012 at 8:30 pm carioca

    Evolution defines who is alpha. You can bed as many women as you want, but if you are sterile, so you are an evolutionary dead-end, a failure. A video-game and porn addict who donated his sperm and had unknown children is better than you, under Nature´s judgement.

    Beauty, will to achieve status and attractive personality traits are evolution forged tools designed to make your swimmers fecundate more and better eggs. But these are not the only tools, there are many others. Beta game sometime work. Paying for sex works too. What strategy is better? Who´s going to judge it?

    If it´s nature judging, so this guy is an Apex Alpha:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2126761/Bertold-Wiesner-British-scientist-fathered-600-children-donating-sperm-fertility-clinic.html

    PUAs using birth control are “swimming from Europe do America and drowning at the beach” in an evolutionary POV. They are failing.

    This discussion will end at: “What is the goal of life?”
    Is it hedonism? Be a good man and have a two kids family? Contribute to science, philosophy?

    Nature´s answer: just spread your fucking genes, anyway.

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 3:46 pm Anonymous

      Which alphas can do outside the feminist matrix where many governments don’t force men to pay much child support.

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  30. on May 9, 2012 at 8:48 pm Lagina Beach Fogey

    Tru dat.

    Respek.

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  31. on May 9, 2012 at 8:50 pm Lagina Beach Fogey

    LagUna Beach Fogey

    I’m drunk.

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  32. on May 9, 2012 at 8:52 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    And I don’t really give a shit.

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  33. on May 9, 2012 at 9:55 pm Gil

    I thought be anti-game was about Alphahood being natural and game is for decent Betas to emulate an Alpha. In other it allows some Betas to put their best feet forward and get some of what the Alphas get all the time. Hence game is not meant for lesser Betas and Om3gas.

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  34. on May 9, 2012 at 11:16 pm Rum

    The cruel truth lurking in the background is that a man will often need years to go by before settling out his feelings about having sired and supported some kids. I mean, it all depends. If your daughter becomes a cum-slurping, drug-addicted, psycho-bitch streetcorner whore that cannot reliably remember your name when you go to bail her out yet again from custody – then you will love her unconditionally but you will still feel like a fool in more ways than one.
    On the other hand, what if she was more or less the opposite of that; and in fact had gone from being a stunningly attractive teenaged violin progidy to being a first name friend with a lot of the kind of folks who never need to go thru customs at airports. If you want to get addicted to something, that is a good place to start.
    It is kind of cool to want/need to lower the level of her publicity.
    Or if you were a Thorough Breed Stud. (ie, a lucky male Horse) and one of your sprogs got named by the silly humans who did the horse naming — Secretariat — Who won by 31 lengths at the Belmont Stakes for the triple crown-… why…
    Hell Yes That Is My Boy…

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  35. on May 9, 2012 at 11:22 pm Firepower

    Definition of alpha all depends on where you’re at – at the time.

    Many modern alphas would be picking berries with the girlies in the neoltihic and many anthropologic alphas today, are lifers doing solitary in prison.

    Either way – Alpha: You know it
    when you see it.

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 7:19 am Tyrone

      Amen. Good point.

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  36. on May 10, 2012 at 12:06 am Dan Fletcher

    I think the debate over the definition of “alpha” causes so much commotion because it touches upon some of the deepest philosophical questions mankind has to wrestle with…

    What makes one man superior to another?

    Who is the “best” man?

    The answer to the these questions have profound implications for how one should live his life. They help guide one in determining how to use the precious, finite moments of consciousnesses he has to spend before returning to the void.

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 6:35 am M

      I doubt notions of superiority have use those days as a result of division of labor. Alphas are simply more apt to lead. Whether they know where they lead is another topic.

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 7:20 am Tyrone

      Kinda makes you want to believe in God, doesn’t it.

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  37. on May 10, 2012 at 12:19 am Dan Fletcher

    If my assessment of Chateau’s definition of alpha is correct (and correct me if I am wrong) then whoever is most “alpha” is whoever is banging the greatest number and highest quality of willing females in a given situation at a given point of time. Full stop.

    It has nothing to do with virtue, honor, benefit to civilizations or any of the many metrics men use to judge each other.

    Understandably this pussy-centric definition doesn’t sit well with many. It is perceived as saying that an alcoholic thug biker with a sleeve tattoo and a rotation of bar sluts is “better” than the hardworking beta scientist with a chubby wife.

    I don’t think the Chateau is trying to state that the biker is “better”, merely that he is getting better and more pussy and is therefore the alpha. He is not necessarily more virtuous, honorable or more of a benefactor to civilization, he’s just getting more snatch.

    Make of it what you will.

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  38. on May 10, 2012 at 1:53 am OlioOx

    Note to busy readers: One efficient way to filter out unintelligent commenters is to quickly note their inability to understand CH’s definition of alpha, no matter how clearly he defines it, or links to it, etc. The comments here, for this post, are an excellent illustration.

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  39. on May 10, 2012 at 2:53 am j

    Heartiste is starting to see the pointlessness of hedonism. This insincere entry shows it. I bet he will be pushing a pram with Mini-Heartiste in it next year.

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    • on May 13, 2012 at 4:22 pm King A (Matthew King)

      Maya has been pushing that pram for months now.

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    • on May 13, 2012 at 4:23 pm King A (Matthew King)

      (Only she never met Heartiste, she is still a virgin, and the baby is a cabbage she found in a dumpster outside Bullfeathers in DC during one of her “reconnaissance” trips. Shh!)

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  40. on May 10, 2012 at 4:30 am Libertardian

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2141312/Is-worlds-biggest-wedding-gown-An-800lb-bride-NINE-foot-waist-measured-ahead-big-day.html

    I don’t advise clicking to look at the pictures unless you’re of strong stomach.

    “For some, having a wedding dress custom-made is a luxury, but for Susanne Eman it is the only way she will be sure her gown fits. The morbidly obese Arizona mother who is hoping to set a world record for being the fattest human, is busy planning her wedding to chef, Parker Clack, and the dress needs to cover all 800 pounds of her.

    The monumental challenge of making a dress this size has been given to seamstress Judy Goff who calculated the amount of fabric needed during an interview with Inside Edition. ‘Okay, we have about 15 feet here and we need 45 feet, so about three times this amount to complete her dress,’ she said.

    While Ms Goff sets about preparing for her job, Ms Eman has her own goal for the big day: not to be deterred from reaching her target weight of 1,600lbs by the time she is 41 or 42. That means that Ms Eman will continue eating 30,000 calories a day that her husband gladly cooks and feeds her.

    The larger than life unemployed bride-to-be told Inside Edition: ‘Oh, he’s wonderful. He loves to cook. That helps out. His food is soooo good.’ The day of her appointment with the seamstress, Ms Eman and her sister Cassie made a pit stop for snacks and arrived at Ms Goff’s with a spread of three guacamole bacon cheeseburgers, two orders of chili cheese fries, nine tacos, a chocolate shake and a large Coke. That is just a small portion of the daily diet that has given her a waist size of 107.5 inches, or, nine, staggering feet.

    ‘I’m feeling like a bride. I can’t wait,’ she gushed. ‘I like an off-whitish, not completely white. Because if I wear completely white, I guarantee I’m going to spill something on it.'”

    Bonus: more post-wall Lindsay.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2142151/Face-Lindsay-thats-good-look-Lohan-looks-older-years-puffy-pillow-face-big-brows-blotchy-fake-tan.html

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 11:36 am carolyn

      what people won’t do to get on the teevee.

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  41. on May 10, 2012 at 6:13 am gunslingergregi

    Interestingly, men of the lower classes, because they are prone to forego or misuse contraceptives as befits their constricted time horizons, can more readily be categorized as beta or alpha based on how many children they sire with roaming single moms.”””””

    In the lowest rungs in the “hood” they have litters and nobody knows
    who daddy is. Like mice and shit fucking nuts.

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  42. on May 10, 2012 at 6:16 am gunslingergregi

    This is, really, the great advantage that boffing smart chicks offers to men: worry-free sex. Sparkling conversation is just icing on the cake.””””’

    riiiigghhhtttttttt that smart chick is gonna be the one taking you to the cleaners later cause all she knows is what feminism 101 taught her he he he

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  43. on May 10, 2012 at 6:18 am gunslingergregi

    Interestingly, men of the lower classes, because they are prone to forego or misuse contraceptives as befits their constricted time horizons, can more readily be categorized as beta or alpha based on how many children they sire with roaming single moms. ”””’

    in the hood though they have litters so nobody really knows who the hell the dad is on the really low rungs like mice or some shit

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  44. on May 10, 2012 at 7:17 am Anonymous

    No matter whether its true or not as to who is the greater alpha, high quality men need to reproduce with high quality women or we will make this idiocracy far worse than it already is.

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 2:27 pm Lazarus

      True dat. Personally I hope condom splits.

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  45. on May 10, 2012 at 8:22 am Stingray

    OT:

    More women dropping out of the labor force. I’ve long thought that these economic times will be bringing women back to men to be provided for (as women hold the jobs that are the least needed in these times). Question is, will men want to provide for them? I somehow doubt it for a great many of them.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/324000-women-dropped-out-labor-force-last-two-months-number-women-not-labor-force-hits

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  46. on May 10, 2012 at 9:28 am Other

    I love Heartiste for his discussion of feminism and man/woman relations, but when it comes to his take in children he is like the Shakers. The Shakers practiced celibacy and lo and behold they went extinct. Now they are just a historical curiosity for advocating something so obviously dead-end. Heartiste will be thought of the same way. No matter how passionately you might advocate not having children, the future will belong to those who have children. There’s nothing you can do about it, it’s inevitable. Heartiste doesn’t seem to have taken his Darwinism all the way to realize that values have survival value as well and are in competition with others and so some will continue to exist and some, like not having valuing having children, are destined to die out.

    [heartiste: you’re absolutely right. the future will belong to those who have kids. but then, i’m not going to be around in that future. neither are any of us.]

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 3:16 pm Anon

      “the future will belong to those who have kids”

      No, it belongs to the kids, not those who have them.

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 4:12 pm Odinsson

        Here Anon and Heartiste showcase the infamous individualism and rejection of tribalism which threaten to wipe out the West. Snap out of it or perish, Whitey.

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      • on May 10, 2012 at 5:42 pm Anon

        I don’t reject tribalism. Tribalism is nowhere to be found.

        Let’s get back to the old patriarchal way and I will start caring about whitey.
        Until then, whitey can fuck himself, he dug his own grave.

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 3:57 pm Anonymous

      CH is determined to live the next decade inside the feminist matrix where impregnating a woman would make him a slave of the government and the woman. However, there are alphas reading this who will be impregnating women outside the matrix where child support payments are voluntary as they should be.

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 4:46 pm M

      You all are missing the point. Democracy has eaten her children.. Have some faith this madness is not self sustaining…

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    • on May 11, 2012 at 2:50 pm King A (Matthew King)

      Heartiste wrote:

      you’re absolutely right. the future will belong to those who have kids. but then, i’m not going to be around in that future. neither are any of us

      Well said, and thanks for the clarifying remark. At times you give off the impression you give a shit about the fate of your country, your people, and your friends. Now are you consistent enough to follow through with your nihilism, or are you just dodging the consequences of your policies in this moment to deflect a critique like the crypto-leftist you are?

      Your wisdom, and therefore your power, is bounded in the horizon of the present. Therefore all of your conclusions about any topic should be appended with an asterisk referring back to this most clarifying statement of your guiding principle.

      The rest of us are happy to (and capable of) venturing beyond your cramped little horizon. That doesn’t mean we can’t be pals when we both happen across this tiny piece of real estate, i.e., gaming drunk coeds. But it does mean that some mastery covers larger domains than you have the ability to contemplate.

      Nothing worth doing is completed in our lifetime; therefore…

      Nothing true or beautiful or good makes complete sense in any immediate context of history; therefore…

      Nothing we do, however virtuous, can be accomplished alone; therefore…

      — Reinhold Niebuhr

      Therefore what, self-declared Jesus of the Crimson Dark Arts? You got anything for those of us who seek something worthwhile to do between boners?

      Matt

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  47. on May 10, 2012 at 10:18 am SomeGuyRedux

    Some of the posters above are too funny.

    The “real” definition of “alpha” here seems to be how many women you’ve slept with. There’s even a little chart on a link above defining alphas. You’re super-duper if you’ve slept with more than 500.

    So why not call it a “Pick-Up Master” 1st degree or something. Why this attempted tie-in with other qualities (just like the feminists do with “Patriarchy”).

    When I was in colllege 30 years ago, a guy who slept with 500 women wasn’t an alpha male, but instead a “pig fucker”.

    In any case, your expanded-definition of alpha male is a master of martial arts, a true leader of men, a real Gary Getaround in bed and superior in everyway to the various degrees of beta.

    Does this guy really exist? What if he gets his ass kicked in front of the people he’s bragging to about being alpha? Does that mean he’s now beta, or is it once alpha always alpha?

    Do you alphas have a secret-handshake or decoder ring?

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  48. on May 10, 2012 at 10:21 am SomeGuyRedux

    I’m dead serious: What if an “alpha” gets his ass handed to him twenty ways to Sunday in front of all the people to whom he is explaining his utter alphaness?

    What if he is just shut down like a little weasle?

    Never happens to alphas? What if one alpha gets into a fight with another? Are they both invulnerable (like Superman)? Is it always a draw? Why aren’t all of you alphas the world heavyweight boxing champs?

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 4:13 pm Anonymous

      You not only failed to catch the definition of alpha but you seem to resent the guys who get laid often and seem to want to see violence done to them. No a pig chaser’s unattractive conquests wouldn’t count. There’s nothing necessarily alpha about being a braggart (a man’s desire to have sex has nothing to do with any desire to talk about it) and whether one gets beaten up, such as by white knighters, may have little to do with whether he is alpha or not.

      A better scenario of an “alpha being put in his place” would be when I saw a guy gain entrance to an exclusive club (I was inside the club looking out a window). As the velvet rope was open for him, he turned back to a teen girl lounging on a car and motioned for her to share his access. She shook her head no. He walked away from the open rope to her and tried to cajole her into at least entering the club with him. He tried for a whole minute but she had no interest in entering the club with him. So he turned back to the rope but the face control refused to reopen it for him. He had now proven himself to be a “beta male”, however temporarily, and unworthy of getting into the club because he had tried and failed to get the hot teen to come in with him.

      He was mad as hell at the bouncers. I can imagine he swore at the girl as he turned back to the rope, which made him look bad to everyone. I couldn’t hear what he said but the bouncers were likely not impressed with the technique.

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 4:29 pm gunslingergregi

      it happens oh well every man should take a beatdown once at least otherwise he might get to thinking he really is superman

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  49. on May 10, 2012 at 11:20 am Anonymous

    This is, really, the great advantage that boffing smart chicks offers to men: worry-free sex. Sparkling conversation is just icing on the cake.
    >>
    when you get smart 22 year olds with options who want to marry you and have kids, that’s alpha. When they want to bang you and have no serious intent, it makes you an undercompensated gigolo.

    [heartiste: spoken like a woman. now, i will explain to you what really goes through men’s heads: “she wants to marry me and have kids? fuck. stall! run! abort!” vs “she wants to fuck around and have fun while taking the pill so i can raw dog her? it’s my lucky day!” fact: it’s alpha when a chick gives it up for a man with no requirement that he invest in her. hth.]

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 11:27 am Dan Fletcher

      lolzolzozlz

      Banging a sexy 22 year-old is its own reward.

      If she wants to get hitched, she likely sees you as the safe provider beta(whom she wants to cuckold with the guy that she has “no serious intent” with)

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    • on May 10, 2012 at 1:46 pm Lara

      Right, because men hate to be used for sex.

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    • on May 12, 2012 at 4:50 pm Anonymous

      it’s alpha when a chick gives it up for a man with no requirement that he invest in her
      >>
      unless you have some craigslist where you can convince them to show up at your door ready for action, chasing women to get laid is a staggering investment of time, money and an emotional black hole. You have to talk to the bitch, and entertain her, risk the STD, and strike the alpha pose. This is all an epic distraction. So, you can waste your life chasing tail. The “hit” rate is low and the 4am nights, psycho girls, etc.. is tedious. Then there is the lovely “break up” where she will threaten to destroy you. Yes, if you are alpha the woman will NOT take dumping kindly. She will stalk and terrorize you.

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    • on May 13, 2012 at 5:17 pm King A (Matthew King)

      Heartiste wrote:

      fact: it’s alpha when a chick gives it up for a man with no requirement that he invest in her. hth.

      “I want to have his children” sounds like a more powerful attraction than “I hope he dry humps my panties and never calls again.”

      [heartiste: girls never say “i hope he never calls again” about an alpha male they have fucked. they fervently hope he will call again, but won’t say so aloud for fear of scaring him off.]

      Whatever his alpha prospectus promises, whatever quid pro quo she is deluding herself into “requir[ing]” of him; she is offering her womb, her motherhood, 9-months to 18-years of commitment, a complete change in social identity and career trajectory, essentially her life.

      You would think an alpha would be unconcerned with a lady’s delusions of “requirement” at any given moment of the pick-up anyway. That’s just a part of her rational brain to be ignored or manipulated.

      Just how primal is this hypergamy thingy supposed to be anyway? Isn’t his sexual participation indistinguishable from an investment as far as her genetic perspective is concerned? She is ultimately, unconsciously attracted to the genes in his jeans, I thought. And contraception moots the very concept of physical-biological investment anyway.

      That leaves social and emotional investment. Are you saying, then, that it’s uniquely alpha “when a chick gives it up” without a wedding ceremony or a promise to cuddle after? That sounds like the modern sexual marketplace, not some special alpha power.

      “It’s alpha when…” blah blah blah. It is positively boring when you use your fleeting passions as the model for The Best Life, and then expect us to respect it. I’m not saying this Anonymous doof knows what he’s talking about. But one thing is clear: you’re butting up against the limits of your one-dimensional theorizing.

      Matt

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  50. on May 10, 2012 at 3:50 pm gunslingergregi

    when i tell the chick for the umpteenth time i don’t want to fuck her just suck my cock yea i don’t want to be used for sex lol

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  51. on May 10, 2012 at 3:52 pm gunslingergregi

    i’ve always been like that though i don’t fuck every chick

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  52. on May 11, 2012 at 6:24 am Rocket Science

    http://www.livescience.com/20174-traumatic-pirate-bug-sex.html

    Another study confirms CH ideas. Females bugs like thug boyfriends, too.

    The authors are puzzled by this, but, it it pretty obvious what is going on. Female bugs digs rough sex, too. It is only self-delusion, ignorance and censorship which make liberals push to teach evolution in schools. What if the teacher told the truth about evolution?

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  53. on May 11, 2012 at 10:03 am Anonymous

    Stop the presses. The Washington Post just did an 11 page hit piece claiming, among other things, that Romney broke up with a girl in high school by not calling her!!

    What a jerk!

    He’s finished now with the womyn’s vote.

    4 more years. 4 more years.

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  54. on May 12, 2012 at 10:07 am Provider beta

    Scenario #1: 40 year old make slept with hundreds of women. No 9/10 chose to marry him/ have children (Although he dated tons of them).
    Scenario #2: 40 year old married to pregnant former model 15 years younger.
    #1 is omega, #2 is alpha
    Women view #1 as a free good lay, but a clown. #1 is a genetic failure.
    #2 is alpha. Gf will live in terror of him being stolen. #2 may not be as good at PUA, or other metrics, but from a strict genetic sense, women would kill to have his kid. The ultimate metric of alpha status is “how much do women want your children?”, that is the accurate measure of genetic fitness.

    [heartiste: no, that is not the accurate measure of genetic fitness. the accurate measure of a man’s alphatude is how much women want his cock and his love. hth.]

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  55. on May 13, 2012 at 5:04 am Linkage is Good for You: Week of May 13, 2012

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  56. on May 15, 2012 at 2:16 am PoormansAlpha

    Is there really such little hope against Hypergamy? Is a guy who is really poor but otherwise has good game still doomed to the bottom 60-70% of women in society? Is there no way for him to compensate? Some of us are simply incapable for various reasons of raising our incomes and our looks beyond a certain threshold. What happens when our game begins to show us the limits of that threshhold?

    I just don’t see how accepting a negative mindset such as “if you aren’t in the top 20% of men in looks/wealth/both, then you are a beta loser doomed to wander the wilderness of fatty fucking.

    I refuse to accept that sort of mindset as it cannot possibly serve any positive purpose for a man. Without opitimism what else is there left?

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