How often have you heard feminists bitch and moan about the responsibility that women must bear for using birth control? You’d think the womb whiners would be happy that a male Pill was tested and found effective, ready to market. But, no. That would be thinking rationally, and feminists are allergic to reason and logic. Here’s a video of a Brazilian endocrinologist who recalls the time he was at a conference discussing the male Pill when a gaggle of feminists led by the ugly Betty Friedan (his words, accurate nevertheless) shouted him down with chants of “No male pill!”.
So why would feminists be against a male Pill? According to the doc, their answer is that they don’t want the decision to have a child or not taken away from women. In other words, they believe that men having decision-making power over their own reproduction is tantamount to taking that reproductive power away from women. The male Pill, in a twisted feminist’s mind, is akin to outlawing abortion or the female Pill.
I’ve said it before, but it always bears repeating because the message isn’t getting out fast and far enough: feminists don’t give a rat’s ass about “equality” or phantoms of inequality; all they care about is power. Feminism is a power grab, plain and simple. It is war by politics, its artillery ideological zeal and the veneer of intellectual sophistry. Feminists want the ability and unanswerable freedom to have a kid or not have a kid completely at their own whim, regardless of the man’s feelings on the matter and with no concern for his opinion or his presupposed legal rights. A male Pill robs women of the option to ensnare men in gotcha pregnancies, and that is a dilution of female power that feminists just won’t tolerate.
The motivating impulse of feminists, besides the ugliness of its fiercest advocates, is hatred for male sexuality. Feminists loathe male desire. Their envy of men’s relative sexual freedom, men’s libidinous vitality, and men’s broader psychological landscape manifests as an abhorrence of the peculiar characteristics that distinguish the male sex, in drive and personality, from the female sex. Feminists routinely lie in service to their hatred, a hatred which is unquenchable.
Feminine women are not like this. Feminine women love men for who they are, love to bathe in the energy of male sexuality, and love the innate advantages that men bring to the division of love and labor between the sexes. Feminine women are not feminist women. It’s good to remind the good women of that truth, and to beat the soulless ugly machine feminists, male feminists included, over the head with that same truth.

NO ONE gives a rat’s ass about “equality”. This is a realm of ETERNAL struggle and conflict for rights to fame, glory, money, power, and reproductive success. Everything else is an illusion. Force by any other name is still FORCE.
The best the world can hope for is that the POWER is taken FORCIBLY by the least insane and hateful people. I myself feel a hedgemony of white male introverts would be the most humane and successful.
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amen
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Political power is simple: Organize and don’t eat your own.
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I do. I care about equality before the law. That is formal equality, not the right to have the best lawyer money can buy regardless of income. But I think the right to have some lawyer was a reasonable warren court decision. (Gideon.)
I also care about efforts made to achieve equality of opportunity. Reasonable efforts, not perfect ones. Perfect ones start morphing into equality of outcome which I greatly, no enormously oppose.
All men are not created equal in all things, in abilities that is. What the Declaration of Independence, which is not a governing but rather an aspirational document, meant was that all men are created equal in human dignity and rights by natural forces, it’s only human society that has created divine rights of kings by blood descent, aristocracies by birth, and often different laws applying to different categories of men, and so on. Jefferson did most assuredly not mean that all men are born with equal inherent abilities or born with a mental blank slate.
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White males care, unfortunately. Especially the introverts, the most cowed and kicked around of all. Nobody else does, but that’s why we’re the biggest dupes in history.
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Alas, so true.
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Bullshit.
How’s that Roll Of The Dice workin’ out for ya?
Hope?
Like…Hope n’ Changey?
Get back to us when you’re 80
and you’re on the scrapheap living in a fridge-box
with coloreds looking to set your ass on fire
for fun
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If there were a male pill, women wouldn’t be able to cuckold men and enjoy the jackpot that is alpha male sperm + beta male providership. Or in the case of NBA players, alpha male sperm/child support.
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There are alpha males in the NBA? lol
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yeah lol… and not possibile to say that the child she bears is yours… cause you can prove you took the man pill… this would be the end of the easy business of getting white money…. they can try that with other cultures.. but… lol it’s more risky than the gentle sub white male
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I remember reading an article many years ago that said the male pill was a few short years away from market. This was at least 10 years ago. I wonder if we’ll ever actually see it for sale, legal and as easy to procure as female birth control. The moment that product hits the shelves, the entire game changes drastically. It might as well mark the end of feminism. They’ll have no hand anymore.
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what are the implications for male pill? how does it make my life easier?
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It means you control whether you reproduce. No forgetting the condom (and no “accidental” pinholes). No partners swearing they’re on the Pill, swearing they’re using an IUD, or pinky-swearing it’s not their fertile week.
But unlike a vasectomy, you’re not putting yourself out of the evolutionary game forever.
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I will be curious to see the final chemical composition of an approved “male pill.”
Years ago I had to take a sulfa drug and one of its side effects was a change in sperm motility. It’s been a long time, but I recall that the cells were still alive but wouldn’t swim. Sulfa drugs have been around for some time and are relatively safe and I did wonder if there was any way to derive a “male pill” from them.
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Yes, I’m curious as well. I’ve read about different types of male birth control. some methods are hormone based, and some are hormone free. I wouldn’t really be interested in a hormone based treatment. The non-hormone treatment doesn’t affect your testosterone levels, basically your little swimmers lose their direction and go around in circles. I know this is a gross oversimplification, but I wonder if this is still the method they are pushing, or is hormone treatments won.
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It will cmpletely end female privilege and be the most important thing that has ever effected the human race. Men will be in charge of a female’s fertility and they will not be able to wantonly breed. This will have far reacing effects because most problems in the world are caused by excess population.We can reduce the pop. by 90% (there would still be 700m people) and stop the constant drain of renewable resources and the competition for them. Prices would drop due to less demand.
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Clearly you’re unfamiliar with the concept of an economy of scale
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Here we go, the kid thinks he knows more than the professor. Apparently you don’t understand that at a certain breaking point due to overpopulation that resources are being eaten up at a faster rate than they are being replaced.It would be like living off your capital and eventually depleting it rather than what intelligent people do and just live off the interest. Unlike the past where there was only human or animal brute labour we have power machinery to easily extract resources today and any drop in demand will reduce prices.Of course there will always be a minimum price to cover the costs involved +a profit but many commodities like gold are selling for many times above their cost to extract due to demand.
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Apparently you don’t understand that humans are creative and can make work-arounds for different situations. People were once worried about stripping the world bare of trees, but nowadays most people pay bills online and send email instead of letters, which means much less need for paper. Also, e-readers are selling like crazy.
You also seem to be inexperienced in the world, because very few people have enough capital to create enough interest to pay the bills.
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Don’t be a faggot about it, Prof. Whammer.
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Condom companies probably lobbying against this also. No chance in hell I’m buying those pieces of shit anymore when this hits the market.
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Condom companies dont have much to lose from the male pill. STD are still pretty common and condoms protect against them far better than the alternative.
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Straight White males do not get diseases (at least any serious ones) and condoms don’t really prevent disease anyway. I’ve never used one except with call girls and have never even got the clap.
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You never got the clap? That’s evidence right there, call the newspapers.
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I’ve read the literature but I’d be interested in a formal poll of the Chateau readership (those with approximately 20 or more partners). I’d like to see if there is a difference in disease rates between promiscuous males that utilize condoms and those that don’t. I doubt there is. It’s all media hype.
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Come to think of it, you would probably have to keep it bagged all the time to avoid infection. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YFC0O393DQ
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And avoid exchanging absolutely, any other fluids during the act and in the lead up to the act. The condom is just a rubber stamp (no pun intended), a thin veneer of, or even illusion of, responsiblity.
You need to use your intelligence and social intelligence when out and choose your targets wisely.
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nothing yet
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i don’t even know my count anymore
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media hype i been trying to die for years no luck yet look at magic johnson still kicking lolzzzzzzzzzz
or how many guys have fucked like 10,000 ho’s and magically still alive that shit is to scare the religious and beta males
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i don’t think it is the sex that kills people more like the wrong drugs alchohol traumatic brain injury inflicted with hammer getting shot or stabbed to death shit like that
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Personally, I cover everytime. With the CS laws and risk of disease to me it simply isn’t worth the risk to raw dog it.
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Just curious — Do any of you use dental dams? Wear a condom while getting a BJ?
On the subject of the blog: Men already have control over their reproduction. They can use condoms or abstain from vaginal intercourse with women they aren’t certain are using contraception. Keep in mind NO form of contraception is 100% effective — for preventing pregnancy or STIs.
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lol, abstain from vaginal intercourse. Right.
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You apparently don’t understand why the male pill is important. The female will never know who’s using it (unlike a condom) anymore than a man knows if the female is using the pill. Many females who have the drive to get knocked up and find some sucker to pay will never know she won’t achieve her objective. Since men will be in charge of reproduction they can select only the females who are intelligent and also have the traits for loyalty and submissiveness. In fact, we can have a big impact on the gene pool by breeding out the fat girls, nasty bad attitude girls, mentally unbalanced girls etc. Sure, you may fuck them but they’re just not getting any of that valuable sperm 🙂
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I’m glad this came up… The bottom line is that condoms ruin sex — and the females I’ve known agree. Unless you frequent the back alleys of Bangkok, raw dogging is worth the risk.
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Have you heard of RISUG?
It’s like a male pill, only better. No pill to remember to take (or get sabotaged), no hormone changes, no sensation change, no external tell that you’ve had it done, a minor outpatient procedure, and perfectly reversible in an even more minor outpatient procedure. And it’s exceptionally cheap.
That various assorted transnational bureaucracies have been roadblocking it for assorted senseless stupid reasons for OVER THIRTY FIVE YEARS makes one start to believe in organized conspiracy.
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I suspect that tptb know that at least 30% of human births are oops pregnancies. Allowing risug on a massive scale may sound like a collective suicide.
The male pill is a less riskier alternative, since a minority of males will 1) afford it and 2) use it regularly/efficiently.
Besides, risug doesn’t make sense business-wise. They’re delaying it waiting for the opportunity to milk us (heh) with fucking daily pills for at least a couple of decades.
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The male pill doesn’t necessarily have to be daily. If the pill works on the principle of blocking the enzyme that permits the sperm to penetrate the egg it may be possible to block that enzyme for days with one pill. Viagra works by blocking the PDE5 enzyme and is used for another purpose but Cialis is effective in blocking the same enzyme for 72 hrs.Unlike hormonal treatments these enzyme blockers have few side effects and some of those side effects are actually beneficial (viagra lowers blood pressure and is now used to treat pulmony hypertension and may even reverse the damage caused by it)
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I may believe you if you swear you are not a Ron Paul voter.
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Heartiste, did you see The Avengers? It’s alpha-males on parade from start to finish.
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which is funny since it was writted and directed by ardent mangina Joss Whedon
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understatement of the month
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glad to see my meager InBonaFide submission make it’s way through the doors of the Chateau!
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Avoid paying child support for 18 years = Male Pill = Good.
Making the decision to not make any brats = The Male “V” = Better
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Only if you really believe a lot of Mexican immigrants are going to want to support your wrinkly old white ass fifty years from now.
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In less than 20 years white men will be a minority but guess what. Women are not even a minority but are considered such, so it is possible that whites may never be considered minority despite their lesser number.
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I could support my own ass if the State would stop stealing from me to support their asses.
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Good if you’re a male, and you’ll realize it’s good if you’ve swallowed the red pill.
Bad if you’re a female wanting maximum “options”, at whatever unfair and fraudulent cost to men, enabled by feminist liars.
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Sometimes I think of chewing cotton seeds and then trying a sperm count.
heheh
Seems to be that simple.
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Does the male pill have side effects? (curious about effects of vasectomy too) Won’t men still need to wear condoms anyway in some cases to protect against STDs? That solution Samuel linked a while back sounded perfect since I don’t believe in altering the body’s chemistry, but maybe it was too good to be true?
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No side effects, the pill only makes the male sterile.
Still need condoms to avoid STD.
And this one does not alter the chemistry of the body. The only thing that happens is that the toxin in the cottom seed kills sperm. And thats all it does.
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Thanks! More questions come to mind. How long do these pills have to be taken before they take effect. How long does a man have to go off of them to be fertile again.
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Hum… well this link contradicts what I just told you.
http://malecontraceptives.org/methods/gossypol.php
It was linked in the page of the video provided.
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Would you please link me to info on that? My impression has been that there is no reliable male contraceptive pill without bad side effects, worse the female ones. Haven’t looked in last few years though.
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Fuck, imagine the hormonal effects of the pill and its insidious effects on relationships. The pill makes wimmin seek out more beta males, imagine if the male pill makes men seek out fatties for LTRs.
Shit, some people say that propecia’s hormonal mix made them queers.
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Feminists are stupid, soulless cunts. No, duh.
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I used to think the feminists wanted a male pill, “to relieve poor womyn of the sole burden of contraception”, it’s costs and health risks, etc…
Does their hypocrisy never end?
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“Does their hypocrisy never end?:
No. It doesn’t.
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But, we’re FIGHTIN’ it
one post at a time!
Only 560,904,303,643
to go
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I saw a Facebook posting from a feminist today about a sarcastic proposal by a male Senator in Zimbabwe that to keep AIDS rates down, women should shave their heads. The proposal was in response to one by a female Senator that proposed that men be given shots to keep our libido down.
Of course, the feminist, and the feminist publication she cited, didn’t mention the female Senators bill.
No, the hypocrisy never ends. They simply cannot share power, which is why every civilization from the dawn of time has eventually come around to saying, “fuck it, men rule, that’s it.” Which is the only way it can be.
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Well, it would be putting the shoe on the other foot and asking women to trust men that they are taking care of it. But really, I don’t see women who are already on the pill giving it up to have to worry about whether a man is telling the truth or not about being on a pill. Its seems like the only area where this would really change sexual responsibility would be in serious relationships, in which case, one would hope they could trust the man they were with. In other words, feminists should have no issue with this as they are still able to take the pill themselves as a back up plan. Its not as though female birth control is going to be repealed…is it? This is simply a matter of giving men more options and control. Fine. Take it! The only thing I would be curious about (in addition to the side effects) would be whether this might have an impact on men’s overall attitudes towards having or not having children.
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Are you serious? What benefit is there for a man who “accidentally forgets” to take his pill? Come on girlie, engage the brain a bit.
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My brain is busy, so you’d better just leave a message 🙂 Just because there isn’t a benefit doesn’t mean he’ll remember. Some people- male or female- are just irresponsible.
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I’m pretty sure that a guy facing 18 years of child support would remember to take his pill every morning.
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I’d remember it, so would you, but do you really think the thug underclass will care enough to remember to take a pill every morning? He can’t think long term, can’t remember to pay his light bill, lives for the moment. Kate is correct on this one, like everything else in life, there will be people that take responsibility for themselves and others who are dysfunctional. Birth control leads to idiocracy in a non-Darwinian society.
In 1993 I was dating a PhD Chemistry student at LSU who was working on compounds for the male pill (through her professor’s research). At the time, she thought it was about 10 years away. We’re still waiting.
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“Kate is correct on this one, like everything else in life” Wise words, Brastrap. It’s nice to be recognized for my tireless efforts.
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Marcus, Kate doesn’t have a penis, therefore she will NEVER understand, despite her best intentions.
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“Some people- male or female- are just irresponsible.”
Not with 18 years of your life and at least one hundred thousand dollars. The idea that a man is just going to forget about taking a pill that prevents fertility in this legal climate is like saying he’ll “forget,pick up an underage girl,carry her across state lines,rape her multiple times,kill her and then dump her body off in the White House conference room after robbing the National Mint for gas money to get back home”.
To a man, the feminist argument against the male pill,i.e. that he can’t be trusted to take it,sounds exactly THAT stupid because the results of the scenario I described would be about the same for the average man as the results of an unwanted pregnancy are for a pretty well-off guy.The more money you have,the more they can take,but an unwanted pregnancy is basically a life sentence and a shitload of fines,equivalent to the sentence one would get for committing an especially heinous federal crime.
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thats a non argument lol
the number of oops pregnancies is probably more around 90 percent i would say and it is the woman that says oops even though she lying like a well like a woman he he he
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My point exactly to the above post by Marcus. And Kate, stop patting yourself on the back. Write the checks like many of us have, THEN your voice will have validity.
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Its true I will never understand what it means to be a man, but I know what its like to be thrust into a man’s role. What checks are you referring to? I’ve supported “dependents” in the past, I support myself now, and I pay just as much towards my daughter as my ex does. Why do you guys think I can sympathize with you?
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Geisha Kate–
That’s generally a divorce law fiction, unless your ex makes very little scratch and you make a lot. Child support especially when it’s paid by strong earning men contains a substantial portion of alimony as well. One but only one indication of that is the the amount of child support=also stealth alimony generally goes up by only about 1/3 or 1/4 for two as opposed to one kids.
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Then I must be living in a novel. I don’t want to be repetitive, doug, but I do want to respond because I think its important to present both sides of the issue. Laws are different by state and the exchange of payment is based upon who earns what. The “loser” in a divorce is going to be the person with more money. If feminism continues its trajectory, more and more men will be the “winners.” Men supporting their stay at home wives is not the norm where I live nor the class I fall into.
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Men get custody in only about 10% of divorce with minor children, and are paid child support=also stealth alimony when they do get custody in only a small percentage of those cases.
Property division usually isn’t really fifty fifty either. If she has custody she’ll usually get the house plus its appliances furnishings and wares, with him not getting real fair value for any of it and certainly not replacement value.
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NAMALT? You both make a good point, but does a teenager or a college student think like that? I wonder.
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This essentially means that only dumb people will reproduce (Idiocracy). The men that are now likely to be defrauded into paternity will probably be on that pill. I know I will spring for the next reversible male birth control in a heartbeat, even if it requires surgery (like RISUG).
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The only way to prevent Idiocracy is some serious social engineering at the policy level that would never fly in this society. We would need to SUSIDIZE the intelligent to have children and find a way to place the financial and labor burden on the stupid. We would also have to forcibly sterilize many of the stupid (though not all, it benefits us to have some of them around like cattle to labor for us).
These will never fly in our pussified society.
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It would also enable a man to pull a reverse-woman. “Oh yeah baby i really want kids, too bad we just havent had any luck” * secretly takes pill* as opposed to “of course i dont want kids honey dont worry i’m on the pill” *oopsie*
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And of course the ensuing hilarity if she does get pregnant by another dude she’s fucking on the side.
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Not a fan of feminism, but this whole thing sounds fishy to me. I doubt most women who consider themselves feminists are really against the male pill. I haven’t heard them screaming about vasectomies.
Look, you don’t need to wait for a male pill. Just get a vasectomy. Put some of your boys in the freezer in case you need them someday.
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Google “PVPS”
Now shut the F up!
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That is a pragmatic point of view. OTOH, I object (viscerally, you could say) to having my groin sliced open to get the same benefit women get from a pill.
‘a gaggle of feminists led by the ugly Betty Friedan (his words, accurate nevertheless) shouted him down with chants of “No male pill!”.’
Like Bérenger in “The Killer”, I’m cursed with a streak of childlike naivete that makes it hard to grasp there really are people like this in the world. Hunger for power is one thing, but this is like marching with a sign that says “Down with Reason and Secular Humanism”.
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The benefits women get from the pill come with lots of undesirable side effects (including changing what kinds of men they are attracted to). It’s no panacea.
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Some hate the male pill because it’s oppressive.
The ones who want the male pill complain that they are being oppressed because men “get” to avoid the “burden” of having any choice whatsoever in terms of their reproduction. See:
http://www.thefrisky.com/2012-02-01/theres-a-new-male-birth-control-option-on-the-horizon/
Basically, it doesn’t matter which way the hamster wheel is spinning, men are at fault.
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Ding ding ding!!!!
Fuck women.
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Feminist theories on the male pill are complex but influential on actual poliicy as well as commercialization. There is a lot in this book:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Male-Pill-Biography-Technology/dp/0822331950
Feminists were:
1) early proponents of the male pill (especially once the problems of the female pill came to light in late 60s/ early 70s)
2) proponents of the myth that men wouldn’t actually take the male pill which discouraged commercialization
3)apparently were anti-male pill in the section of time that the youtube video talks about. That part isn’t very clear. I can’t find a good source on this, but it has something to do with the WHO’s interest in the male pill.
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hehe true and with the Man Pill you avoid her claiming the bb she bears is yours
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RISUG
RISUG
RISUG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISUG
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“RISUG is similar to vasectomy in that a local anesthetic is administered, an incision is made in the scrotum, and the vas deferens is tugged out with a small pair of forceps.”
I’ve let them cut me open to remove cancer without a qualm, but this makes me curl up into the fetal position and whimper.
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Yeah not too big on scalpels near my nut sack.
Come on pill
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“a local anesthetic is administered, an incision is made in the scrotum, and the vas deferens is tugged out with a small pair of forceps”
It doesn’t exactly hurt. But it is a feeling I never, ever want to experience again for as long as I live. Suddenly this part of your body you never really felt was there is suddenly THERE as large as an IMAX movie playing directly into your brain. It is truly an unforgettable thing.
OTOH, after a certain age and if you’re done with making rug rats, a vasectomy is freaking sweet. Splish splash, I don’t care where my jizz goes. I’ve found that women in LTR’s love love love it because it frees them up from any need to mess with birth control.
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I live in a hipster neighborhood rife with feminists. As I encounter them over the next few days I’m going to ask them what their position is on the male pill.
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Look at their body language and facial expressions while they say it.
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Disgusting. Thank you for posting this.
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Why are Female Executives Publishing Tucker Max?
Saw this floating around. good question!
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Simon & Schuster Editor in Chief
RE: ASSHOLES FINISH FIRST, Secretive Tapings of Anal Sex without The Girl’s Consent, Corporate Douchebaggery, and the Epic Failure of I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell
Despite the fact that teenagers nationwide are going to hear gem pick-up lines like “get away from me or I’m going to carve another fuck hole in your torso”, what truly crowns this film as an epic fail is its apologetic attempt to masquerade gratuity as an Apatovian bromance. –http://www.thelmagazine.com/newyork/we-hope-you-can-still-get-alcohol-poisoning-in-hell/Content?oid=1291260
“Little Italy is fighting back against Tucker Max ‘s controversial ad campaign . Yeah, that poster on the right says, “Blind Girls Never See You Coming.” Va fan culo, indeed.” –http://gothamist.com/2009/09/21/tucker_max.php
Dear Ms. Painton,
I and my colleagues in the ART, FILM & LITERATURE GUILD have a couple questions regarding the direction you are taking Simon and Schuster in. Why are you guys/gals hating on art, literature, culture and America? It was recently brought to our attention that you are intent on publishing Tucker Max’s ASSHOLES FINISH FIRST, and that your company actually gave him a $300,000 advance for his fart art. As the editor in chief of Simon and Schuster, owned the CBS corporation, do you truly believe Assholes Finish First? It is oft said that girls like “bad boys.” Does Tucker’s fart art douchebag wit titillate and excite you? Is that why you are publishing and profiting from it? Did you laugh during Tucker’s recent film flop when what’s-his-name stated that overweight women aren’t real people? Do you smile smugly when your billion-dollar corporation profits from douchebaggery?
http://gawker.com/5363233/tucker-maxs-campaign-of-hate-against-chicagos-transit-system “The ads were poetic ditties of white text on a black background . Like: “Blind girls never see you coming” and “Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding).””
“Over at the Washington, D.C., premiere, Max’s video minion ridicules both Vietnamese and African-American women, the former for being employed as a pedicurist, and the latter for having a name he finds funny.”
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/10/spot-your-local-tucker-max-douchebag/
Do you enjoy profiting from making fun of Asians and overweight women? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board/thread/148314040
http://tuckermaxdoucebag.blogspot.com
http://tuckermaxlies.blogspot.com
Does this make you laugh Ms. Painton? It is not too late to choose the right direction for Simon and Schuster and CBS and walk away from publishing Assholes Finish First . At most it will bring in a few pennies, which will lead everyone to conclude that you and CBS aren’t in it for the money, but just the debauchery and destruction of the culture. As Tucker Max pointed out, the feminist movement empowered women and gave them the right to choose the art they affiliated with and promote. So now, with all the power in your hands, what will you chose on behalf of women all over the world? Please do us proud and choose the right thing.
“The ad campaign for the new flick “I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell” includes slogans like “Deaf Girls Can’t Hear You Coming” and “Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding!).””
–http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/New-Movie-Ads-Take-Offensive-to-the-Max-59695522.html
Why is corporate America, under your direction Ms. Painton, forcing epic “Richard Kelly” fail fart art and film on the common public? Do you also find secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent to be entertaining and titillating art?
http://gawker.com/5363233/tucker-maxs-campaign-of-hate-against-chicagos-transit-system
Let’s talk for a sec about something Tucker glamorizes and pretends is funny in his ‘book’: filming a naked women in his bedroom without her consent. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that while he’s doing this he is coaxing the girl to have anal sex with him, an exploitative act that a guy like him probably especially enjoys.
–http://www.bitchmagazine.org/post/douchebag-decree-marketing-tucker-max
– http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/11/the-rapiest-quotes-from-i-hope-they-serve-beer-in-hell/
“OK, we can try anal sex , but I want it to be special and romantic. …. process: I was going to fuck her in the butt and film it without her consent ,” — http://www.tuckermax.com/archives/entries/date/tucker_tries_buttsex_hilarity_does_not_ensue.phtml
Do you and the CBS Corporation find this entertaining? As you know, sodomy is a sin in the Old Testament as is sex out of wedlock and fornication. What is your motivation in working with those who promote and profit from secretive tapings of anal sex?
Do you find such “literature” and “art” to be representative of Simon and Schuster and CBS?
“In one of his most notorious pieces, he convinces a girl to have anal sex and tapes it without her consent.” — http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/09/08/tucker_max/
Despite the fact that teenagers nationwide are going to hear gem pick-up lines like “get away from me or I’m going to carve another fuck hole in your torso”, what truly crowns this film as an epic fail is its apologetic attempt to masquerade gratuity as an Apatovian bromance. –http://www.thelmagazine.com/newyork/we-hope-you-can-still-get-alcohol-poisoning-in-hell/Content?oid=1291260
Ms. Painton–do you find that entertaining? Is it good literature? Do you consider demeaning stories about having sex with midgets good literature? Do you consider it good business to make fun of Asians, overweight women, and minorities so as to bolster your bottom line?
What is driving you to publish Assholes Finish First ? What are your motivations? Money? America does not want Tucker Max, as demonstrated this past weekend at the boxoffice. Do you find these signs to be entertaining/a good CBS investment?
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/15/tucker-max-fans-fight-rape-with-racism/
Is Tucker Max’s fan base the group that Simon & Schuster is seeking to serve under your leadership?
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/14/tucker-max-too-sexist-for-ad-space/
It seems that America believes otherwise as Richard Kelly and Tucker Max’s I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell has proven to be a colossal artistic and financial failure.
“Not faring so well, however, was the Tucker Max adaptation I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell, which took in $369,000 from 120 theaters with a well-below-average $3,075 per-screen average.” — http://www.movieweb.com/news/NEdXykfeBDXwhe
So Priscilla, please tell us about your douchetastic love affair with Tucker Max and his fart art. Does it really titillate you as a woman and feminist? Say it isn’t so! Is this good Simon and Schuster/CBS branding? Why did your massive billion-dollar corporation reward Tucker with a $300,000 advance?
“Little Italy is fighting back against Tucker Max ‘s controversial ad campaign . Yeah, that poster on the right says, “Blind Girls Never See You Coming.” Va fan culo, indeed.” –http://gothamist.com/2009/09/21/tucker_max.php
Does CBS and Simon & Schuster approve of registering fake email accounts to promote stories regarding secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent?
” The lack of traditional plugs forced Max to promote his web site and book via the internet. He would create fake e-mail accounts and then bombard entertainment sites and news aggregators with links to his material.” — http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/11/tucker_max_sxsw/
For this, your billion-dollar corporation rewarded Tucker with a $300,000 advance.
“Max may have to concentrate on his agent style business moving forward because he’s running out of material. He’s received a $300,000 advance for a second version of his drunken, sexual exploits – a tome that will contain the stories not ripe enough for the first cut.” — http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/11/tucker_max_sxsw/
Are you proud of Simon & Schuster and your corporation? Funding and encouraging hype, failure, douchebaggery, debauchery, lies, secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent, and making fun of Asians, overweight women, and minorities. Is that what attracts you to Tucker Max, or is it the epic artistic and financial failure of his film?
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_hope_they_serve_beer_in_hell/
“I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell fails in its attempts at raunchy humor, and Tucker Max comes across so unlikable and outrageous that the film’s inevitable story arc feels forced.”
It is not too late to choose the right direction for Simon and Schuster and walk away from publishing Assholes Finish First .
Best,
McCoy Mountain & The ART, FILM & LITERATURE GUILD
–http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board/thread/148314040
Will Priscilla Painton at Simon & Shuster still Publish *beep* Finish First?
the title makes no sense. *beep* might finish first in some silly women’s eyes, but they epic fail in reality, as demonstrated by tucker’s epic fart art film fail, which priscilla painton is pretendning not to notice.
What’s up with women these days?
It seems the more they run things, the more they try to force douchebag fart art on everyone:
Former ‘Time’ Exec. Relieves Venerable Editor Mayhew At Simon & Schuster
http://gawker.com/5002333/former-time-exec-relieves-venerable-editor-mayhew-at-simon–schuster
Anywho, does Priscilla Painton at Simon & Shuster have a personal vendetta against asians, minorities, overweight women, and little people?
Does she think tucker’s ads are cute and humorous?
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/New-Movie-Ads-Take-Offensive-to-the-Max-59695522.html
Does she get off on this?
“The ad campaign for the new flick “I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell” includes slogans like “Deaf Girls Can’t Hear You Coming” and “Strippers Will Not Tolerate Disrespect (Just Kidding!).”
Is that supposed to be funny?” –http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/New-Movie-Ads-Take-Offensive-to-the-Max-59695522.html
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/10/spot-your-local-tucker-max-douchebag/
Is this the new face and culture of simon and schuster?
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/15/tucker-max-fans-fight-rape-with-racism/
Does Priscilla Painton at Simon and Schuster giggle at secretive tapings of anal sex without the girl’s consent and also this:
http://www.penguinblogs.ca/davidson/archives/00000079.html
http://tuckermaxlies.blogspot.com/2008/08/sillylittlefreak.html
http://www.tuckermax.com/archives/entries/date/the_absinthe_donuts_story.phtml
“11:17: The girl starts saying something about what a horrible person I am. I stare at her, but I am not listening. I am preparing myself. I am B-Rabbit. This is the final battle rap. I will win the hostile crowd:
[I interrupt the fat girl] “Ward, I think you’re being a little hard on the Beaver, [as I point to each in turn] so is Eddie Haskell, Wally, and Miss Cleaver.”
[To the fat guy with greasy hair in the camo vest] “Look out everyone! It’s the Pillsbury Commando! Hey Chunk, when was the last time you washed your hair? Does it give you more hit points to have that grease helmet? I hate to break the news, but +5 defense only counts in Dungeons and Dragons.”
[To the ugly Asian girl] “Why you no rike me? You want me frip over? You no piss me off! ME FIND YOU IN POCKING ROT!! YOU NO TAKE MING ARIVE!!”
[To the small frail dork–I notice he has a lazy eye] “Dude–Look at me when I’m talking to you–BOTH EYES AT ONCE. Are you really this ugly or are you just playing? EVERYONE, BE CAREFUL, THIS GUY LURKS UNDER THE STAIRS AND TRIES TO LICK YOUR SHOES WHEN YOU PASS BY!”
[To the original fatty, pause for effect] “Why do you do this to yourself? WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO YOURSELF? Look, I’m gonna give you some advice-leave the party, take the geek squad with you, go to Denny’s, order about 10 Grand Slam Breakfasts, and eat your pain away. Won’t be the first time will it?”
11:19: I am finished. The kitchen is quiet, except for Eddie and Rich laughing. The four freaks are completely speechless. Everyone is staring at me. I blurt out, “WHAT? I’m pretty sure it’s what Jesus would’ve done.” Eddie and Rich promptly remove me from the kitchen.”
Is Priscilla Painton publishing tucker’s next book for the love of literature, art, or money?
‘Cause it seems that those who work with tucker generally hate and lose literature, art, and money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_Painton
http://www.theladyfinger.com/2009/09/tucker-max-brings-his-misogyny-to-big.html
“What ensues, according the film’s trailer, is alcohol-fueled misogynistic mayhem. Max has sex with several women, including, to his smug satisfaction, a dwarf.”
See? That is the clever banker ruse.
Have women such as Priscilla fund and promote it, while others protest it, enriching the bankers as marriage is destroyed and the state is grown.
http://www.stephenbaskerville.net/
“A Site about the Divorce Regime, Family Court Corruption,
and Government’s War on Fathers”
“The divorce regime is the most totalitarian institution ever to arise in the United States. Its operatives in the family courts and the social service agencies recognize no private sphere of life. “The power of family court judges is almost unlimited,” according to Judge Robert Page of the New Jersey family court. “Social workers are perceived to have nearly unlimited power,” a San Diego Grand Jury concludes. “Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Total immunity [enjoyed by social workers] is absolute power.”
The divorce regime is responsible for much more than “ugly divorces,” “nasty custody battles,” and other clichés. It is the most serious perpetrator of human and constitutional rights violations in America today. Because it strikes the most basic institution of any civilization – the family – the divorce regime is a threat not only to social order but to civil freedom. It is also almost completely unopposed. No political party and no politicians question it. No journalists investigate it in any depth. A few attorneys have spoken out, but they are eventually suspended or disbarred. Some academics have written about it, but they soon stop. No human rights or civil liberties groups challenge it, and some positively support it. Very few “pro-family” lobbies question it. This is because the divorce regime operates through money, political power, and fear.” — http://www.stephenbaskerville.net/
–http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/board/thread/148314040
Have you seen/read END THE FED by Ron Paul? “Everyone must read this book–Congressmen and college students, Democrats and Republicans–all Americans.”
–Vince Vaughn
When you think about it, Tucker Max was the Fed’s ultimate creation–a soulless, debased douchebag:
“My name is Tucker Max, and I am an *beep*
Think about it–Tucker’s motto @ http://tuckermax.com could be the Fed’s motto:
“I get excessively drunk via inflating the currency at inappropriate times, disregard social norms (funding feminism/debauchery & debasement of the family/currency/culture/tucker max(educated at the Fed’s University of Chicago’s School of Economics (school of freakanomics) and Duke scholarship)), indulge every whim/war, ignore the consequences of my actions/bubbles/bailouts, fund idiots and posers and tucker-max-like CEOs, sleep with more women than is safe or reasonable/luring them with fiat currency & a fiat-funded bus, and just generally act like a raging darko/douchebag/dickhead.”
What do you think of Ron Paul’s new book–End the Fed?
http://www.amazon.com/End-Fed-Ron-Paul/dp/0446549193/
Review for End The Fed
“Rarely has a single book not only challenged, but decisively changed my mind. “
–Arlo Guthrie
“Everyone must read this book–Congressmen and college students, Democrats and Republicans–all Americans.”
–Vince Vaughn
Vince Vaughn is a far, far better actor/director/writer than Tucker Max, so it makes sense that Tucker and his jealous friends at the Fed detest Arlo Guthrie and Vince Vaughan as well as art, film, and literature.
The book has much better reviews and is far-higher ranked than Tucker’s douchey books/film/trailer–Five solid stars!
Why do you donnie darko douchos/cbs haterz hate on art, the Constitution, morality, goodness, sound money, peace, prosperity, love, the family, kindness, and Ron Paul so much?
And like the Fed, tucker privatizes all the profits of his private jet while sharing all the risk with his volunteer employees, who work for free.
“Feminism which espoused “women’s rights” actually has driven femininity underground, torn the sexes asunder, and stripped woman of recognition for being wives and mothers, roles essential to their own fulfillment, to men, and to children and society.” –http://www.savethemales.ca/
– http://www.amazon.com/Save-Males-Matter-Women-Should/dp/1400065798
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Feminism was created by ugly Jewish women. Full stop.
It’s who/whom all the way down.
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Feminists HATE the Male Pill Because:
Females are now accustomed to complete decision control over pregnancy.
Sometimes…they even WANT to get pregnant.
And hit that NBA sperm jackpot.
Females no longer have complete control, and are angry.
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Condoms have been around for nearly 100 years and a huge amount of men do not use them for birth control, so it’s pretty unlikely that the majority of men will actually use a male birth control pill. However, it would be a really nice option to have. And I do think it would be a game-changer in the power dynamic between men and woman. No more “accidental” pregnancies being claimed by women. The male birth control pill would be a great option for smart dudes who want to hedge their bets against having stupid-ass children out of wedlock. The pill would certainly enhance male power, and what rational person doesn’t want men to have more power over women? There is a reason why the pill isn’t available on the market today, despite a clear demand for it. Women, particularly feminists, don’t want men to have that power. Plain and simple. But I guess Heartiste has already made that perfectly clear. Even though feminists represent a VERY small percentage of the population, they have a tremendous amount of influence on public policy because they are so loud and vocal about their bullshit agenda. The same really applies to the gay community as well.
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Condoms suck. The male pill may suck too. But condoms suck a lot more.
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It doesn’t matter what they want or what their agenda is. Once something is invented it can’t be uninvented and it’s here forever.You’re also assuming that it has to be used by everyone and be 100% effective to be of any value. Even if only 10% of the men used it and it was only 95% effective it would have a major impact on the balance of power and a chilling effect on feminism.
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“can’t be uninvented”
Tell that to DDT.
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Feminism affects beautiful women as the jealous ugly mobs forbid the Princess her Prince.
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“feminists don’t give a rat’s ass about “equality” or phantoms of inequality; all they care about is power.”
and that’s what it is.
The contradictions in their so-called ‘equality’, like here-
http://0x0014.wordpress.com/2012/01/15/engineering-vs-law/
are not contradictions at all, but is the power to have it advantage you both ways.
Belfort Bax wrote of the same in the early 20th century in his books. So it’s not like there’s something new to the debate.
Or consider David Stove’s musings on this candid explanation of the feminist theory back in the 80s:
http://web.maths.unsw.edu.au/~jim/arts.html
In the spirit of equality there is a law like VAWA where sexes differ in degree, and ‘my body my choice’ is equality too, even though the difference here is that of a kind, and thus if one were to define his own version of equality as a law to bridge this reproductive difference(in the olden times of Belfort Bax, he got divorce if she cheated; she couldn’t do the same), that could be argued to be more equal than that of the one used for a difference of degree.
“But that’s misogynistic and reducing women to property!!”
So to replace theories by other theories and beating them at their own game, or to go outright and claim power, purge the enemies, laying waste to the fiction of equality?
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Belfort Bax: http://www.marxists.org/archive/bax/1913/fraud/index.htm
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Belfort Bax:
While Modern Feminism has succeeded in establishing a powerful sex-solidarity amongst a large section of women as against men, there is not only no sex-solidarity of men as against women, but, on the contrary, the prevalence of an altogether opposed sentiment. Men hate their brother-men in their capacity of male persons. In any conflict of interests between a man and a woman, male public opinion, often in defiance of the most obvious considerations of equity, sides with the woman, and glories in doing so. Here we seem to have a very flagrant contradiction with, as has already been said, one of the most fundamental sociological laws. The explanations of the phenomena in question are, of course, ready to hand:– Tradition of chivalry, feelings, perhaps inherited, dating possibly back to the prehuman stage of man’s evolution, derived from the competition of the male with his fellow-male for the possession of the coveted female, etc. These explanations may have a measure of validity, but I must confess they are to me scarcely adequate to account for the intense hatred which the large section of men seem to entertain towards their fellow-males in the world of to-day, and their eagerness to champion the female in the sex war which the Woman’s “sex union,” as it has been termed, has declared of recent years. Whatever may be the explanation, and I confess I cannot find one completely satisfactory, the fact remains. A Woman’s Movement unassisted by man, still more if opposed energetically by the public opinion of a solid phalanx of the man- hood of any country, could not possibly make any headway. As it is, we see the legislature, judges, juries, parsons, specially those of the non- conformist persuasion, all vie with one another in denouncing the villainy and baseness of the male person, and ever devising ways and means to make his life hard for him. To these are joined a host of literary men and journalists of varying degrees of reputation who contribute their quota to the stream of anti-manism in the shape of novels, storiettes, essays, and articles, the design of which is to paint man as a base, contemptible creature, as at once a knave and an imbecile, a bird of prey and a sheep in wolfs clothing, and all as a foil to the glorious majesty of Womanhood.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Fraud_of_Feminism
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And:
FEMINISM, or, as it is sometimes called, the emancipation of woman, as we know it in the present day, may be justifiably indicted as a gigantic fraud –a fraud in its general aim and a fraud alike in its methods of controversy and in its practical tactics. It is through and through disingenuous and dishonest. Modern Feminism has always professed to be a movement for political and social equality between the sexes. The claim for this equalising of position and rights in modern society is logically based upon the assumption of an essential equality in natural ability between the sexes. As to this, we have indicated in the preceding pages on broad lines, the grounds for regarding the foregoing assumption as false. But quite apart from this question, I contend the fraudulent nature of the present movement can readily be seen by showing it to be not merely based on false grounds, but directly and consciously fraudulent in its pretensions. It uniformly professes to aim at the placing of the sexes on a footing of social and political equality. A very little inquiry into its concrete demands suffices to show that its aim, so far from being equality, is the very reverse–viz. to bring about, with the aid of men themselves, as embodied in the forces of the State, a female ascendancy and a consolidation and extension of already existing female privileges. That this is so may be seen in general by the constant conjunction of Political and Sentimental Feminism in the same persons. It may be seen more particularly in detail, in the specific demands of Feminists. These demands, as formulated by suffragists as a reason why the vote is essential to the interests of women, amount to little if anything else than proposals for laws to enslave and browbeat men and to admit women to virtual if not actual im- munity for all offences committed against men. It its enough to consult any suggestions for a woman’s “charter” in order to confirm what is here said. Such proposals invaribly suggest the sacrificing of man at every turn to woman.
1 This is arrived at by the clever trick of appealing to the modern theory of the equal mental capacity of the sexes when it is a question of political and economic rights and advantages for women, and of counterappealing to the traditional sentiment based on the belief in the inferiority of the female sex, when it is a question of legal and administrative privilege and consideration. The Feminist thus succeeds by his dexterity in the usually difficult feat of “getting it both ways” for his fair clients.
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Potential solution: repeal women’s suffrage and grant two votes to married men.
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Easily reversible male vasectomy in the form of a male vans deferens microwave dissolvable plug, is far more likely to become approved in first world nations and to work than a male pill.
The female pill and other forms of female hormonal birth control work by essentially mimicing the natural female hormonal state soon after a woman becomes pregnant. There is an evolved mammalian chemical mechanism for not allowing follow on pregnancies to the first one, which would be likely to either kill the mother, or both embryos, or both. The hormonal IUD’s rely on this as well, as does the five year under the skin implanon, and also the female dopo shot.
There is no comparable male hormonal reproductive regulation. Well there’s having very low T and thus lack of sexual desire, but that’s hardly gonna be acceptable to any but a tiny fraction of men.
Not saying nothing is possible in a male chemical pill but am saying the challenges are vastly greater than they were/are on the female side.
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Trouble with the plug is that though it works to prevent contraception, it’s not nearly as reversible after awhile as would be desired.
Basically that’s because the seed gets into the male body outside the reproductive tubes if blocked and men tend to develop antibodies over time to their own semine , which seems to be read as foreign, causing it to be way less likely to be potent when no longer blocked from being part of the man’s ejaculate.
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Yeah, Heartiste is dead on that the fundamental drive of feminism is for more and more female power relative to men, regardless of unfairness.
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“Feminine women are not like this. Feminine women love men for who they are, love to bathe in the energy of male sexuality, and love the innate advantages that men bring to the division of love and labor between the sexes. Feminine women are not feminist women.”
Thanks for making that distinction…it is VERY much appreciated. I think a male PILL would be great. It would solve many issues that are prevalent in our culture today.
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Beer Monkey, I would be interested to hear about your survey in your neighborhod concerning the male pill.
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And since no one else will say it, I miss your picture, Kate. And if anyone thinks that’s Beta, bite me.
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Mwah 🙂
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She looks like a less trashy Juliette Lewis.
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After reading up on Gossypol and cotton-seed based contraceptives, it turned out that 10-20% of men remained infertile after the treatments, depending on the duration of use. That’s a pretty damn good reason for not using that stuff. Don’t want kids, just get snipped (Or have that polymer injected in your vas deferens, which will just kill sperm but leave the piping in working order).
But I assume that most men want to keep the option of someday having kids open.
As far as the feminist rant goes. I doubt it was so much about men “having power in selecting fertility or not” but mostly that they feared that men would claim to be on the pill whilst not being so. Basically being afraid of getting banged up by some guy because he lies about contraceptives. Just like us mens are afraid of some woman lying about being on the pill.
But that’s just emotional crap. The moment feminism declares a crusade on male contraception is the moment that they lose all the credibility their first-wave members supplied them. And boy, will we rip them a new one if they go that far.
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Get it before it’s illegal: http://www.theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2012/03/male-birth-control-its-here-and-its.html
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feminists don’t give a rat’s ass about “equality” or phantoms of inequality; all they care about is power.
Yup. My paraphrase of a rather popular sticker displayed on the bumpers of the cars of feminists is “Feminism is the radical belief that women are people . . . and men aren’t.
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Do you seriously think bernanke would allow a men’s pill to happen? How is he supposed to actualize the value of fiat dollarz by liquidating men in divorce courts if the men are not getting roped into early marriages by knocking up their college gf? And how is the welfare state supposed to get more parasites if teenage dropout thugz are not knocking up sluts at the mall lozlzozlozl? You guys don’t understand; it’s paper money that has destroyed America, just like it destroyed Rome. Gold is the return of Aristotelian prosperity and “patriarchy” and all the good stuff.
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Is that you, GBFM?
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No. Gold is even better for bankers and kikes.
White Nationalist Econ:
Debt Jubilee (to recur every seven years and land redistribution every fifty)
Abolition of usury (that is compound interest which is just interest in today’s world)
INTEREST FREE, FIAT CURRENCY ISSUED AS NEEDED (that is Social Credit or Mutual Credit)
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Why are you posting your racist nazi crap here. Fuck off faggot.
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So is that your impotent beta-rage way of contending that gold and deflation are good for the common folk?
Do your critical thinking skills stop when you are in the shadow of the totem that is jewish power? Stop laying prostrate before the kike and stand up and think for yourself about the issues
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Jews are the tools of the true power behind them. Don’t be the lesser tool who mistakes the larger tool for the handiman.
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This is true to some extent. I’m not monocausal. And it certainly isn’t the truck driver in Haifa or the restauranteer in the Bronx that I’m talking about.
It’s incredibly ironic that at a site devoted to understanding the world via female sexual power as a kind of key to understanding modernity and to realizing this aim by generalizing about women and a bifurcated (alpha-beta) male populace some asshole would take umbrage at somebody dating to
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*daring to make generalizations about kikes or niggers.
Fucking standard beta.
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Good point. The real issue at hand is the creation and maintenance of power. Can it be manufactured, or not? A whole realm of arguments, male/female, state/individual, fiat/gold, boil down to that.
So to an extent I’m not surprised someone digging deeply into the male/female interplay would, eventually, stumble upon the root of it all.
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faggot.
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The thing is, deflation is good and natural. Falling prices are a natural result of increased productivity and efficiency, but the keynesians say “No! Deflation is the bad guy!”, ignoring the fact that it is inflation which has destroyed every country that ever claimed they could print paper “promissory notes” against tomorrow’s production and pretend it was money. Inflation destroys one country after another, from ancient Rome to the Weimar Republic to modern Zimbabwe, where men are starving to death with hundreds of trillions of paper dollarz in their pockets which will not buy a loaf of bread.
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It isn’t anywhere near that simple. I’m not prepared to do the hard work in a comments section. I’d be happy to exchange email and links with anybody that is interested in the subject.
Or maybe I’ll post a series of essays.
Suffice it to say that that thinking about the money supply as shrinking, profits falling and currency as becoming scarce is a better way to think about deflation than simply thinking of it as cheap(er) shit.
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**To the guy below** You’re not prepared to do any hard work because you’re a loafing keynesian who thinks the government can print wealth and that the best way to produce is to start by consuming. When a keynesian goes broke, it’s because he hasn’t spent enough. The idea of “money supply” is the stupidest, most anti-conceptual fantasy to come out of keynesian ivory tower bozoland. Money can only represent physical goods or services; there is no tribal “supply” which can be arbitrarily added to without destroying the value of the existing “supply”, which is exactly what central planners have been doing for centuries. Money has to be earned by producing and trading it; printing paper and dumping it on the big banks just destroys capital while inflating commodity prices. You cannot regulate or presume to control the law of supply and demand.
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To the guy above:
I’m no such thing. I grossed 220 last year. I did that at 52/hr. Go ahead and figure out how many hours that is.
I’m no Keynesian. I told you the comments section was no place for this debate.
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To the peanut gallery:
Everybody loves to complain about rising “prices” but it’s really the front men for pissed off creditors.
When private sector debt is about 50 tines the GDP, can someone explain how increasing the value of that debt is a good idea? Don’t listen to champions of inflation or deflation. There are no simple types of inflation and deflation in an economy where the fiat money generated by the Fed is a drop in tff bucket compared to money created by banks as loans.
Neoclassical economists and there libertarian counterparts are both deluded.
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Feminists? Hah. I like to sing them the Feminist Anthem, aka Ian Dury’s “If I Was With a Woman.”
If I was with a woman she’d wonder what was happening
Little things would slowly go askew
If I was with a woman I’d make her quite unhappy
‘Specially when she did not want me to
If I was with a woman I’d make believe I loved her
When all the time I would not like her much
If I was with a woman she’d soon become unsettled
I’d show her but I would not let her touch
If I was with a woman I’d never ask her questions
But if she did not want me to I would
If I was with a woman I’d offer my indifference
And make quite sure she never understood
If I was with a woman I’d threaten to unload her
Every time she asked me to explain
If I was with a woman she’d have to learn to cherish
The purity and depth of my disdain
I’ve been with a woman, she took away my spirit
No woman’s coming close to me again
I’ve been with a woman, she took away my spirit
No woman’s coming close to me again
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A different angle:
My girlfriend and I discussed the idea of the male pill once; she wasn’t opposed to it in general but said she’d personally be very turned off by a man who was shooting blanks. She is highly feminine with a thorough appreciation for and understanding of male sexuality. If all (or most) women are viscerally aroused by danger, then it makes sense that they’d prefer a potent mate who could potentially (hurr) implant in her his alpha seed rather than a castrated beta. Vasectomies are unappealing to her for the same reason. Many of her friends hold similar feelings.
Oddly enough, her tingles are unaffected by female birth control or condoms. But she has an innate need to know her man is a “full man” in that way.
[heartiste: i could buy that. easy solution: lie. there’s no way she can tell.]
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But she’ll never know 🙂 And you won’t be shooting blanks, it’s just that the sperm will not be able to penetrate the egg.
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I can see her point. I wouldn’t want there to be any decrease in masculinity.
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I would be wary of any side effects in desire, attitude/aggression, energy levels, etc. I suppose in the end my man and I would decide based upon which of us was less negatively effected by the pill that worked best with our body chemistry.
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I’d rather just keep it a secret between me and my dick and not allow the female morass of feelings to effect my actions.
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α
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That was meant to be an ‘alpha’ symbol. Alas, the tails mysteriously shortened when I published the comment and now it just looks like a lower-case ‘A.’
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β
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I prefer φ for (feminine) female, thanks. =)
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The “lady” doth protest too much.
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And might I propose μμ for fat-ridden woman.
And ξ for (feminist) cunt.
Letters for women! Equal rights!
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Why “lady”? Seriously, based upon our limited interactions do you have a suggestion for how I could be more ladylike? I’m here to learn, after all. (Not sarcastic.)
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I’ve my doubts.
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And that’s okay. Unless you’re my man in disguise, it’s not you with whom I’m interested in even further improving my relationship.
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Bold reframe. A manly move if I ever saw one.
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You’re fun to banter with, Redleg. =)
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Hear that? Geisha Kate, I want my gold star.
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lol Yeah, I heard that. I’ll give you silver. Just A Girl’s in charge of the gold on this one 🙂
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Matriarchal cronyism, huh? I am not surprised…
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Would you buy me a drink for flirting with another man?
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Male Behavior & Expectations != Female Behavior & Expectations, RE: Everything ever posted on Chateau Heartiste.
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lol get ready for the oops
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Stds through the roof (for women) as no guy would wear a rubber if he is infertile. Interesting how little research is being done on the rise of mouth and throat cancers in guys due to chicks having HPV.
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Really though if i could talk to my 15 year old self i would tell me to go ahead and cum in all the ho’s i could and get them all pregnant. Would of been mad game telling all the chicks i met i want them to have my baby cause they special he he he
they can only take so much of your paycheck for so long.
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Dis zaklie what I be doin nigga.
Rent a womb! Lolozzzlolzies!
They only get 1/2. If you make 150 it’s no problem at all.
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If you consider 18 years and 216 payments as not long then go ahead and knock yourself out lolAnd wat if you began earning a lot of money and she takes you to court to get her hands on it. Or you inherit or even win the lottery. You’ve seen these dopey basketball players end up paying a tremendous sum to their gf’s who they knocked up.
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21 years in some states.
Transaction costs. They can only garnish half your wages. Make 150 and you’re good. Make sure you find a good mate who will take care of the kids and it’s worth it. You still get to be a player and ex wives can easily become a game centerpiece and a dhv.
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Go down to walmart or jiffylube and ask any of the child support slaves how that worked out for them.
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Dudes getting raped for child support are paying for 1 to 3 kids, and usually less than 5.
On the other hand if you have 10 kids, the chick that you knock up with #11 isn’t going to pay a lawyer to hit you up for her $10 share of child support. Plus every extra kid you make will cut into the other chicks’ share.
Chicks are economically rational when it comes to taking men’s money. At kid #10, they’d all rather collect welfare because it would be more money.
Lesson: fuck ’em all & fuck society and beta taxpayer dudes.
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exactly Zachary. Pass on your seed and piss on everyone in the process. No consequences.
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What about the cunts who have their ex sent to prison?
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Actually 10% is the maximum that can be garnished from a salary and that’s after some exemptions.So if you were earning $1k a week the total that can be garnished by all creditors is like $70. BUT, child supprt is handled entirely differently and there are some guys who are ordered to pay more than they earn. I know it’s hard to believe. Back in the 70’s in some places like Sweden or UK some people were taxed at 110% of their income. which I guess meant that they had to dip into savings and assets to pay the tax. It’s also why many people left the country and became tax exiles. Of course the real intent was to redistribute the wealth of the more competent rich down to the proles.
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thats why you don’t eat out a bitch unless you married to her that shit nasty you don’t know where she has been lol
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Does anyone else find it OUTRAGEOUS that a married man has to notify his wife in order to get a vasectomy? Imagine the exploding cunts OF FURY that would result if the tables were turned and women were legally required to inform their husband before getting an abortion or any other gyno health procedure. Imagine the hypocritical faggot politicians raging about “the war on women” if anything like that was required.
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Comment made my day.
“exploding cunts of fury” is on my must say twice a day list.
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And how is anyone going to know you’re married? Use a fake name and have it done in the office and pay cash.
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Good job, Whammer. You completely missed the point. It’s not can he get it without her knowing, of course he can, but why is the system involving her in HIS decision in the first place? This decision should be completely up to the man, and HE should get to decide whether his wife knows about it, NOT the doctor. Imagine the outrage if doctors were required to notify men that their bitch was getting an abortion. There would be national and international media campaigns against it.
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“There would be national and international media campaigns against it.” and yet it’s one of the most sensible, basic things you could do to start restoring fairness to marriage. Imagine, a bitch can cuckold you and go abort the baby with you never finding out. Even worse, you want to have a kid, she says she does too, but secretly aborts YOUR baby because she is planning to leave you in a year. She just legally murdered your baby without even having to inform you, much less get consent.
Under conditions like these, there is no way to have the kind of hand with your woman that would be required to remain alpha in a marriage. Fuck it.
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I don’t believe that there is any rule requiring a doctor or wife to give permission.I was just saying that if there were you could easily circumvent it.
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http://www.bakadesuyo.com/10-things-that-can-predict-whether-your-spous
A lot of juicy tidbits in here like;
“The more economically dependent a man is on his partner, the more likely he is to cheat on her (for women, economic dependency had the opposite effect.) Ironically, men who make significantly more than their female partners were also more likely to cheat.”
and
“Women’s number of lifetime sexual partners predicted an increased risk of getting some on the side. Wives who wear the pants in the relationship are more likely to cheat.”
and more.
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The other day I posted something in reply to a CH post, it passed moderation and appeared for a couple of days, but now it has vanished. Anyone know what might account for that?
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maybe a future post i had a chick come up to me in the club and ask me my name then my last name she is like ahh yea i knew i remembered you.
She was eyeing me all night.
What is the deal with that am i missing a gene or something or just don’;t give a fuck i mean i could prob remember the prettiest girls in school and people i was friends with but to remember every freaking person plus do age progression and add a beard.
normally people been coming up and know who i am and i don’t know who the fuck they are, they like we went to high school.
oh yea and the chick was 2 years ahead of me in school.
and dam she had ok body but her face hit the wall of too many club nights i guess.
fucking wierd i been gone for like 16 years.
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maybe cause i went to like 8 schools and have so many faces i have seen.
i guess if you allways lived in same town would be easier i have just met 10’s of thousands of people so kind of hard to remember them all.
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Regarding the 24 year old in Georgia who just lost her legs and hands to flesh eating bacteria after falling on a rock in a stagnant pond area of a river, what is the real story as opposed to the cleaned up version the media is giving? Did her boyfriend just leave town? Were they on LSD? Did she keep on swimming afterwards? Did the doctors commit serious malpractice just stapling the wound?
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Don’t know but this is a seriously messed up story. If I was the doctor I might have just let her go that time her heart stopped instead of letting her wake up with her body pretty much destroyed.
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At first I was going to rant about how weak we are on the topic of euthenasia, but a darker thought occurred. What if the doctor on hand, maybe a beta, maybe an uggo woman, let the girl live out of spite? Let the former hot chick suffer?
At least the patriarchy kept dignity in mind. This new matriarchy we’ve erected is merciless in its mercy.
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I’ve been talking about the male pill for years and the beauty of it is that the female will never know who’s using it.Men will then ave complete control over whether or not a female gets pregnant. If a female wants a child it will be on the man’s terms whichmeans that she will have to pay a fee(say $1m) and sign contracts releasing the man from any child support. So girls you may want to plan carefully and save all of that money from your “careers” or you’ll die barren and childless 🙂 I’m also for going after sperm donars for child support so that the sperm banks will completely dry up. Sure they’ll be some slipups from idiot manginas but who cares because they’ll be the ones getting drained of their money and they’ll deserve it for being such idiots. And they can forget about making synthetic sperm because it’s just not going to ever happen. We don’t even know what causes identical twins or how the egg divides or the process involved which produces two identical individuals let along how to make DNA and then arrange it into a sperm cell. The male pill will completely end feminism, femaleism etc. and restore the male to dominance over the female, the way Nature intended ,and make no mistake about it, all Nature is a competition for dominance. There is no equality in Nature, each individual has their place in the hierarchy. We’ve been living in an artificially created society for a long time which was against Nature and the correct balance will be restored. And btw, the male pill will not rely on any hormonal manipulationl like the female pill. It will work on the simple principle of blocking an enzyme which permits the sperm to enter the egg. Without the enzyme the sperm is normal but just cannot penetrate the egg. It would be like a lock but no key fits the receptors on the egg to allow it in. Blocking the enzyme would be no more harmful or have any side effects than a drug like Viagra which although used for a different purpose works by blocking the PDE5 enzyme.
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“We’ve been living in an artificially created society for a long time which was against Nature and the correct balance will be restored.”
*waves white flag*
HUZZAH!
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what do y’all think…?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/14/family-life-best-for-1000-years
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I’m certainly jealous of men’s much longer period of sexual viability. In a way I feel guilty that when I hit middle age my man’s partner will be a middle-aged woman and not a young, hot thing. Naturally I’m taking as good care of myself as possible to lessen the blows of time, and hoping my non-visual contributions to Team Us are worth something. Still, all things being equal, younger is better than older. It might come in handy that we’ve always enjoyed open, honest non-monogamy, so he’ll certainly have my full encouragement and help in finding younger, hotter, tighter sex partners.
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Sorry, I can’t stop myself. Jealousy of men is the root of fake feminism. Real feminism is pride in being female. Younger is better than older? Only if all you have to offer is your body. Hoping your contributions to Team Us (:)) are worth something? I think they just might be. Just a Girl? Not convinced:) But, you’d better be more than that if you’re planning on Being Julia.
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I didn’t mean to imply that I think my body is all I have to offer. But as a 20-something, my body responds well to exercise, my skin is smooth, and (I think/hope?) I’m fairly okay-looking. But it’s all downhill from here. I’m sure my man enjoys me being at my physical peak, and I wish it weren’t going to pass so soon.
I looked up Being Julia. It’s on my to-watch list. And thank you for the words of confidence. I’ve always observed the most solid, satisfied couples in my life act as teams, each person making decisions for the good of the (two-person) collective rather than just themselves. It’s something I strive to emulate now that I have a life partner.
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Perhaps you are having a quarter-life crisis? 🙂 I didn’t start really becoming me till I was twenty-eight, so I do disagree that its all downhill from twenty-something. If your body responds well to exercise now, what makes you think it won’t in the future if you keep it up? Wrinkles are just proof you’re not a statue 🙂 I get that you are enjoying how you are now, so by all means, live it up!!!
Its a fascinating movie about a couple’s various daliances. Rivals Valmont. Jeremony Irons. How could that go wrong? Annette Bening. She has GOT to be quite a woman.
I think you are right on with the team idea with the man being captain. Working in concert is a beautiful thing. Kudos to you for being awake and having good relationship goals. A little anxiety is a good thing, but don’t miss out on what you have now worrying about losing it.
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Just a Girl has a valid point. This was discussed in the archives:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/why-i-date-younger-girls/
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Thanks:) Aging is something that really can’t be prevented and maybe I’m still too “young” to be that concerned about it. I’ll always be older than some people, but I’ll also always be younger than others. Interesting read. I know there are others on similar topics I’ve read as well. Men don’t seem to like to think about it, but they age too, and old man butt and old man gut can be equally unattractive. But as long as everyone’s having fun on the swingset, attitude still counts for something.
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what asshlole got YOU talking about age and stuff
besides, didnt you tell us your 49?
ha
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I don’t know. There are a couple to choose from 😉 I already posted that I’m 33.666 except I rounded up. You probably don’t remember because I hear you’re 81. Do you use those ear trumpets Beethoven had?
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no trumpet. just ghetto viagra- 18 y.o black strippers
you should wathc sometime. it’d be fun
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lay him a lot. Pay attention to what he REALLY likes in bed. Practice it. Get better at it. Experiment with it. If you can regularly make him orgasm hard and long and intensely, that is what he wants from you. He doesn’t always need a hot young body. In fact, as he gets older and has less stamina, it might be a benefit that you know just what to do with and for him, yet still be able to make him cum hard.
I’ve read a few reports of men who actually prefer older prostitutes and “massage” women because they are so skilled at what they do. Think about that, these men have money and can buy a younger woman, but prefer (at least some of the time) just to have someone with experience.
Hopefully you are secure enough to learn from that instead of blowing it off that they are prostitutes or that the men I refer to are gamma/betas.
Personally I prefer the younger hotter women, but then I’m only in my 40’s and still have 95% of the energy I had in my 20’s.
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I’m also going to point out that i’m not in the market myself, being quite satisfied with my marital relations. If I were, I would be going after younger and hotter.
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Thanks for bringing that up; it’s a good point. Our sex life has only been getting better with practice and I can only assume that’s true for most couples. I love getting to know his body better and better and vice verse. It’s sexy knowing things about my patner’s sexuality nobody else knows about. And of course, kudos on having a hot sex life with your wife. Athol Kay would be proud!
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Yeah, ditto on the congrats. Its awesome to hear things like that. You guys are fortunate. Imagine being bound to someone who’s punked out on learning what makes you tick while you try to look innocent when the dentist who’s known you since you were a child wonders how you got a click in your jaw.
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“It might come in handy that we’ve always enjoyed open, honest non-monogamy, so he’ll certainly have my full encouragement and help in finding younger, hotter, tighter sex partners.”
lol. Riiiiight.
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Some people are just wired for open relationships/swinging. We enjoy it. Right now both of us occasionally enjoy other partners (with whom we have preexisting friendships) on our own or together. I expect he’ll have more luck than me attracting other partners as we both age, though. But what can be done?
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always got to be equal in every way though except when it come to the man making a paycheck he he he
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Who said anything about equal? And you seem to be implying that equal = identical, yes?
Horny, yes. And heeheehee indeed to that! ;)!
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And since you seem curious, we’re both students bringing in small checks. Money isn’t a concern. Our finances are afloat and neither of us particularly has a taste for lots of elaborate things. It’s gaining knowledge and adventure that motivate us!
Yup, we’re both a bit hippie on the inside.
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Is your man bisexual?
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sweetheart you are not aging together with a relationship like that. better wrap your head around that sooner than later.
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/facebook-co-founder–america-is-ok–it%E2%80%99s-the-rules-that-are-a-pain.html
look at the responses little diferent than the last time
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Or you can get a vasectomy. I’m considering it very strongly. My wife is on the pill but I still check the credit card statement AND open the band aid to make sure she got her shot on time. Always room for error, but I made it clear I will leave her is she gets pregnant without my consent. I’d rather pay child support than be with an untrustworthy woman.
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Better than a vasectomy: http://www.theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2012/03/male-birth-control-its-here-and-its.html
Temporary vasectomy, and fairly inexpensive. Lasts 10 years. Going to get my boys done the moment they’re 18. If everyone did . . . wonder what the feminists would do then?
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Wonder what the feminists would do? Complain of course 😉
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Um..no.
The feminists would organize a campaign and fill the streets if they had to.
More likely, they’d make a few phone calls to powerful liberals and
GET THEIR WAY.
Idle, impotent complaining
IS the realm of the men’s rights movement *squeak*
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This is why men have secretaries. (And why they used to have wives.) Perhaps you need to attract more women to your cause. And there needs to be a concrete goal and some motivation.
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erm..men used to have secretaries to get them coffee. pinch their asses.
there once was a section in the spearhead called “shieldmaidens” for supportive women.
The Stink of Fail quickly drove them away – prolly to go fuck millionaire CIA airline pilots – and bikers
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So I spent a couple of hours engaging feminists in a hipster coffeehouse last night. I didn’t ask any leading questions, I simply related the story of the video and said that I wondered what the general feminist consensus was on the male pill.
One of the five I talked to was vehemently opposed to the male pill. She was also the most stereotypical butchy, masculine type. And she teaches a women’s studies class at the local community college. She said that women have had too much reproductive power taken away from them by “the white male establishment” and that this was simply about political balance. She specifically cited current anti-abortion legislation in many states as justification for the growing war on men.
The other four thought it was fine. One was very excited because she has a lot of side effects from her own pill.
I’m making an educated guess that most feminists are fine with the male pill, but the leaders of the movement, the disciples of the idealogues, feel like they are at WAR with men and the end justifies their means, no matter how nonsensical the means are.
You pretty much see this in all movements. The tea party is not representative of most conservatives, but they are dominating much of the dialogue. The positions of Occupy are more extreme than the garden variety liberal, and so on.
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TEA Party is not conservative.
They don’t want government funding anti-abortion church services or your tax money to go to the NRA for mandatory guns.
They are about smaller government and lower taxes.
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Tea partiers are morons who like govt spending if it ends up in their pockets and hate it if it doesn’t.
Fuck ’em. They’re a walking argument for requiring voters have a minimum IQ before we let them screw up public policy with their idiotic demands.
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A great, cogent response.
You’re right: let’s keep GIVING money to welfare blacks, Illegal Mexicans – instead of American retirees who worked for 50+ years.
It’s worked out well, and will continue to do so, just so long as we don’t change.
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Money–
Firepower is right and you’re wrong.
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Heartiste: “Feminists loathe male desire.”
Well, beta male desire anyway. I know you knew that, but sometimes it’s worth repeating, it all depends on which camp he falls into. Alpha f**ks and beta bucks, different men for different purposes.
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Has anyone been reading the Daily Mail? Every week there are about 15 articles of gf’s getting stabbed/punched/dropkicked by their abusive bfs.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2144755/Melissa-Dohmes-remarkable-recovery-stabbed-32-TIMES-jealous-ex-boyfriend.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2143942/Former-junior-tennis-star-charged-gruesome-death-baby-sons-mother-strangled-home.html
I’m not going to post every link but chicks really do dig jerks.
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To be fair, the doctor said that Betty Friedan claimed that men would lie about being on the pill, impregnate their sex partners, and then skedaddle. So it wasn’t an issue of taking power away from women as much as duping them.
But I wonder what she would think of women lying about being on the pill? And duping their partners, and hitting them up for child support. Sadly, she’s no longer around to ask.
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Of course, I have a whole thing about it on my blog. Feminists have never been, and will never be, against the male BCP. This is typical ‘manosphere’ stuff I’ve come to loathe.
[heartiste: do you, or do you not believe, feminists lie on a whole host of issues in order to advance their agenda?]
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I’ll answer that. I do not believe most feminists lie on a while host of issues in order to advance their agenda. Most of them genuinely believe what they espouse.
[heartiste: then they believe lies, and are dishonest enough with themselves and with others to refuse enlightenment.]
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Rad feminists by and large don’t lie about what their positions are. They openly advocate them.
What they endlessly lie about is the evidence backing up their assertions supporting their positions. For instance feminist leaders know that their reported “fact” that “studies show” that one in every four or five women will suffer sexual assault or rape or attempted sexual assault at college by the time that they graduate. Feminist leaders and those that did the study in question know that it was 1) a skewed and not representative sample consisting of those who responded to an internet survey they did (which will certainly attract far more participants among those that feel aggrieved by the issue), and that 2) they used definitions for rape which radical feminists favor which are not the legal definition nor even that used by campus disciplinary codes, and in fact are what the women asked considered as constituting rape (eg, tipsy sex=rape) and 3) they worded questions in an ambiguous way that encouraged women who have after the fact regrets about having had sex, consider it unwanted and there answer that way, which the researches scored as non consensual i.e. rape. E.g. “have you even been given drugs or alcohol with a man and then had sex with him you didn’t want?” Did want when? The next day when he’s not nice to you or a week later when your friends know because he’s mouthed off or they discovered it, and he’s not looking like he wants a relationship with you?
Similarly the rad feminist claim that only 2% of rape allegations are false is a big fat law which traces back to something Brownmueller more or less just made up. There are studies which show that between 25% and 50% of rape allegations are false. Often they’re made to cover up infidelity or slutty behavior, to get revenge against a guy for some reason (such as not becoming her bf or seeing another girl), or even just for attention.
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LOL, feminists aren’t against the male pill. The majority of them are for it.
[heartiste: cite? and, btw, we’re talking about the feminist leadership here. not the conformist bulk of womanhood who mouth allegiance to a feminism they don’t follow in real life at all.]
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“Did religion evolve because it reinforces fitness-increasing self-control? Bold hypothesis and bad news for secularism. bit.ly/JxpLzD”
Hayek’s “The Fatal Conceit” proposed the same thing – no society arbitrarily comes up with self-restricting rules like “Thou shalt not kill/steal/bone thy neighbor’s wife”. He believed they arose from religious taboos. Relatively productive sets of taboos (i.e. Judaism/Christianity) made for successful societies, which then invented myths like Moses coming down from the mountain to explain where the taboos came from. Stupid taboos, like “cut the hearts out of a bunch of your own people every day or the sun won’t rise tomorrow” or “equalize outcomes instead of opportunities”, led to a society becoming poorer, dumber, and more easily wiped out. This is why he warned against using “reason” to reshape society, because it was built on irrationality.
Related story: “Death anxiety increases atheists’ unconscious belief in God”. No kidding, I bet Bibles sell fastest in hospitals by far.
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What I don’t understand is how people aren’t seeing this as a great means of additional protection. Sex without a condom can be more enjoyable, and if both partners have been recently tested, STIs can be a non-concern. However, in cases like this, the pill still has a chance of not working: in cases like that, why would BOTH partners not take their respective pills, thus making the chances of an unwanted pregnancy even more unlikely?
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A close friend of mine came by to pick me up on our way to a club and nosily browsed through my book collection while he was waiting for me. He picks out a book entitled Feminism and says to me: “did you read all of that book?” I respond: “Yes I did.” His response? “You must know a lot about women then, huh?”
I laughed.
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I consider myself a feminist. I am wholeheartedly in support of a male Pill, and I’m absolutely aghast that anyone, feminist or no, would think otherwise. The ability to choose when or if one will reproduce is a basic human right, and it’s been denied to men for far too long.
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we should sterilize the whole country and start over
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Women do want to maintain control over reproduction. They now are using a ploy in which they take a used condom and reinsert it inside out — without the consent of their partner. It’s called “condom stuffing.”
http://www.lightlybraisedturnip.com/condomstuffing/
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Tie the condom into a knot or two and then flush it down the toilet.
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