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How Much Do Your Smarts Matter To Women?

May 17, 2012 by CH

This question comes up regularly at Le Chateau. You’ve got two schools of thought. The first insists that smarts, like any other positive attribute, can only raise a man’s dating market value because women are hypergamous and appreciate a smarter man than themselves. The other school says that women are put off by men who are too much smarter than themselves, and that experience shows women fall for lunkhead jerks all the time, perhaps because these types of men are less introspective and more unthinkingly assertive about hitting on women.

The science I’ve read on this subject has been all over the place, but the consensus seems to be that having some smarts is a net plus to a man’s desirability.

Where do I come down on this perennial issue? I stick by the Dating Market Value Test for Men at the top of this blog. A better-than-average IQ is beneficial, but the benefits to picking up women begin to dissipate past a certain degree of brainpower, because very high IQ seems to be associated with a lack of social savviness and other off-putting personality quirks. If you know a lot of Ivy grads in the sciences and maths (a group of smarties if there ever were) then you can’t help but notice how awkward they can be in social settings with women who are more likely to represent the meaty part of the IQ bell curve.

Anyhow, both schools of thought have a point. Chicks are more viscerally turned on by raw male power and alpha attitude than they are by male smarts, but because chicks are wired to seek men who are higher status than themselves on as many metrics as possible (except looks; no pretty girl likes to be upstaged by her man in the looks department) they will generally be turned off by men who are dumber than they are.

This isn’t just theoretical musing. I say this from a position of real world observation. I’ll use a short anecdote as example: I was once hanging out with some girls in my group of friends when one of them got hit on by a very good-looking guy. She had previously noticed him and was tittering about him with her girlfriends when he approached, so she was already emotionally lubed to accept his entreaty.

Having a ringside seat to this blossoming courtship, I happily eavesdropped on the proceedings from a half-concealed vantage among the crowd. It didn’t take long for the whole thing to implode in entertaining failure. The flash point was when she used a two-dollar word and he replied in a way that proved he didn’t know what the word meant. Lemme tell ya, you never saw a woman’s flirty face turn sour so fast.

Afterwards, she confided that his apparent dumbness made him seem so much less good-looking to her.

So maybe this is the best way to view male smarts from the perspective of pickup success: all else equal, it’s better to be smarter than the girl you are hitting on than dumber than her. Sounds obvious, but I think this simple point gets missed. Girls may not be immediately turned on by men who are smarter than them, but you can bet girls are immediately turned off by men who prove themselves dumber than them. Men’s smarts then, act as a threshold test of fuckability for girls; too much won’t necessarily help or hurt you, but too little (relative to the girl) will definitely hurt.

The above is not a maxim, because I find that it applies primarily to overeducated girls in the cities. Less educated and less intelligent girls, who, it should be reminded, occupy the bulk of womanhood, are neither as impressed by male smarts nor as turned off by male stupidity as are their smarter sisters. Mostly this is because the mediocre mamacitas are not going to be throwing around two-dollar words that test the verbal acumen of the men they meet. Secondarily, dumber girls don’t have the cortical horsepower to quickly ascertain male dumbness the way smarter girls do; therefore, other sexy male traits, like dominance, loom larger in the dumb girl’s head.

But no matter how smart you are, if you aren’t using your smarts to light up a woman’s limbic lust center, you may as well drop your pretense to genius and try to speak to her on her level; no man ever incited tingles in a girl by solving quadratic equations or philosophizing deeply about deep stuff. After all, the reason women are drawn to male smarts is not smarts per se, but the promise of resources and power that typically accrue to the smart man. It’s proxies all the way down.

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  1. on May 17, 2012 at 1:49 pm Island

    Alpha of the Year: Anthony from the Opie and Anthony Show: http://pastebin.com/m2yQ5ZDm

    If you have never had a letter like this written about you, then you are not an alpha.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 6:01 pm aneroidocean

      Sounds like he’s an addict pedophile, though. No reason to treat other people like shit and lie to them.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 7:52 am M

        more like the reason l0l0l0l

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:18 am artvandelay2

        Banging a 17 year old doesn’t make you a pedophile.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 1:06 pm Anon

        For an older woman, sure it does.
        But who cares, right?

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  2. on May 17, 2012 at 1:55 pm A.B. Dada

    Here’s one more area where it’s best to let external DHV/social proof keep her hamster ticking.

    Play dumber, let others say you’re faking dumbness.

    She’ll be confused as to why you don’t live-out your smartness that others see.

    Wealth, intelligence, popularity: social proof and external DHV are the only way to let those talents “brag” for you.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 2:14 pm Listener

      My greatest challenge. I go to the gym, I have a good job, attitude, etc., but I am still A) on the far, far right of the bell curve B) aware that I am. Obviously substances cloud one’s intelligence but I’d say that’s too destructive to be called a solution.

      So… playing dumber. Easy via texting, etc., where one can just drop the strick adherence to the rules of grammar. In person, I still find it hard to not verbalize whatever ‘deep’/witty/out there idea that’s graced me with its overwhelming interestingness.

      Certainly not comparing myself to him, but at the extreme end:

      “Sarah Bernhardt, a famous actress, tried her hardest to woo [Nikola Tesla] but he considered her to be little more than a distraction from inventing a death ray. When asked about marriage, he replied: ‘I do not think you can name many great inventions that have been made by married men [or players].'”

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 4:12 pm M

        same here well said. it’s really hard to pretend ure just dumb cock

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 6:48 pm Darius Jackson

        Use of the term,”indeed” will dry her vagina instantaneously.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 12:08 pm Firepower

        Faking dumb (like faking any Game aspect) only endures briefly – due to that structural difficulty at keeping up appearances.

        Humans just aren’t evolved to do it. That’s what detectives rely upon in catching criminals. It leaks out. Even Bernie Madoffs etc. can’t keep it going long enough.

        It’s why con-games are quick. Sadly, it’s also why Game works best on seduction and people you don’t have to interact with for extended periods of time.

        Pump and dump.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 2:54 pm yoo

        Well said but let us not forget Tesla was BAT SHIT INSANE, a genius yes but away with the angelic laser eyed pigeons? Most definitely.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 6:17 pm carioca

      Play dumber! I also do it. It works. The girls get intrigued by my (fake) humility.
      Actually, fake humility works well on other issues too.

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  3. on May 17, 2012 at 1:57 pm collapseofman

    Also depends on who you’re hanging with. I spent a few years with the drinking class and was amazed to find I didn’t have to dumb it down anymore when I got back with the SWPL girls.

    Most important point, however, is that accumulated knowledge is worthless to game. It’s the intelligence to spar and outsmart your female counterparts that actually adds up to something.

    Big shouts out on that WHR->Female Brain article find, btw. I’ve been searching for something similar regarding prenatal estrogen levels and mental state attribution / emotional intelligence for a while, to act as a counterpoint to the prenatal androgen / male brain research that blew everyone’s mind a few months back. This is pretty good in the meantime, though.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 10:14 pm The Whammer

      Perhaps the drinking class at the Dew Drop Inn guzzling beer but not at the bar at 21 or similar places.
      There are all sorts of “studies” on the prolenet but only the sophisticated can seperate the wheat from the chaff and that takes real life experience.

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      • on May 22, 2012 at 4:54 pm collapseofman

        Bet you had some “seperation” anxiety when you typed this at 10pm on a Friday XD

        Cool your jets, Whammer. You’re obviously irritated by something, and that oozes a snail trail of low status behind you wherever go.

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  4. on May 17, 2012 at 2:04 pm PDX

    Dumb for not knowing the $2 word, dumber for not negging the f out of her for dropping nerdy words.

    He could’ve sidestepped, unless of course, it really wasn’t a difficult word.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 2:40 pm Anon

      His mistake was not being dumb.

      His mistake was being dumb in front of her friends.

      [heartiste: her friends weren’t around her. only i overheard their convo.]

      Chicks fuck dumb guys at the time, but won’t cop to it front of their friends. Ask any dumb college jock.

      When a chick says she digs “smart” guys, she’s really saying, “If a guy is not super good-looking, muscular, etc., I might still fuck him if he’s at least as socially saavy as me.”

      Except for dick, everything that comes out of a chick’s mouth needs to be properly translated.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 3:39 pm lurker

        dick doesn’t come out of a chick’s mouth. it comes in a chick’s mouth. lolzozozzllollolz

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 11:09 pm YaReally

      your avatar looks like a sad clown lol that cracked me up in real life. Awesome. Mine just looks like a shitty space invaders alien

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 7:54 am M

        its ur cock noob! like rly, dont u get it l0l

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  5. on May 17, 2012 at 2:06 pm Master Po

    Chances are, the hunky dolt was also turned off by the $2 word, no?

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 2:48 pm Obstinance Works

      It could be. Or maybe he acted like it was a big deal. I always treat the girl like she is stupid no matter how smart she tries to seem. Even the smatest women act like idiots in judgement. They get no respect from this guy ever.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 4:42 pm DiamondEyes

        Agreed, after years of fancying myself an intellectual and seeking the company of women based on their intelligence, I regretfully found that even the smartest among women were not smart at all….no analytical skills, no creative thinking, just the ability to parrot soundbites through rote memorization (as a sexual strategy to attract higher status males who would normally not notice her plain looks). True intellectual curiosity seems to be the sole province of men.

        How liberating to no longer look for women based on their (non-existent) intellect – now I just screen for hotness and fitness.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 3:16 pm Obstinance Works

        They sure are good and tricky at getting YOU to do the work however. They make good executives and middle managers in that sense. Pay attention next time a project is under way and see how well a woman will manipulate people into doing a great portion of the work. There are a few that are skilled, but for the heavy lifting and real work, it’s all smoke and mirrors.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 8:06 am Original JB

        “Even the smatest women act like idiots in judgement.”

        QFT.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 6:50 pm Darius Jackson

      I once heard some sports announcer fag drop the word “obviate” into a conversation about football. Apparently this guy has seen too many dumb footballers banging too mnay hot sluts. Gotta strike back.

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  6. on May 17, 2012 at 2:10 pm GeishaKate

    Smart gets my heart. This encompasses intelligence, creativity, and formal education. This means you’re adaptable, you’re funny, you’re quick-witted, you won’t be caught off guard, you’re aware, you’re in control, you’re reliable and dependable (in the good ways). It means I will never be able to fool you for long, but you might. It means I will always be able to look to you for answers. We won’t run out of conversation in a few years, and we won’t depend on anything for our own entertainment.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 2:29 pm Firepower

      Women HATE smart guys irl.

      You always think we’re trying to outsmart you, trick ya and you all just fume about it,
      never letting a Good Thing Be.
      Even when a girl is blissfully “in love” she always wants to prod The Great Master. Pick Poke Prod Jab

      Then, “The Situation” or Ashton Kutcher come along while Mr. Ph.D. is at the lab…and you give the Engineer

      The Talk

      Smarts only matter on the internetz.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 4:47 pm DiamondEyes

        I probably had 30 points higher IQ than my last GF but she just could not stop second guessing me, doubting my facts, challenging me, and generally being a cunt even though she was proven wrong every time. The fact that I was vastly smarter than her, even though she thought of herself as a smart chick, drove her nuts. The other thing that drove her nuts was me being better looking than her. Women hate to feel threatened, but like everything in the female world it’s a seething mass of nonsensical contradictions. They only like a guy that makes them feel less secure, but they loathe feeling less secure.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 10:24 pm The Whammer

        So I take it then that you didn’t get laid even with these fuglier chicks.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 2:30 pm Jason

      You’re one of the good ones.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 2:36 pm GeishaKate

        Thanks!

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 2:36 pm Listener

      It sounds like you’re looking to be entertained by a guy. For awhile, there’s a beautiful synergy (he’s compelling to her; she’s fucking him). Then he gets bored. He may not run out of conversation, but you might. I doubt that intelligent guys are more dependable. They can dependably keep on track with their own goals, but romantic partner no.16 is not necessarily an integral part of that. Once the honeymoon’s over, you may find yourself in competition not only with other women but with Arthur Schopenhauer, José Ortega y Gasset, Edward Gibbon, etc.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 2:52 pm Obstinance Works

        If a girl has a hot enough ass the man will find everything she says so interesting. Women talk a lot about everything so I’m sure he will be fooled into thinking all the idle noise is real real smart.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 2:50 pm Obstinance Works

      You must have the biggest loosest heart ever dear.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 4:04 pm GeishaKate

        I do.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 6:56 pm Darius Jackson

        How about ya pussy?

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 4:13 pm carolyn

      you and me both. smartz acts as a proxy for wittiness-to be sure, not all bright men are witty, but there are no witty dolts. there’s nothing worse than a stupid, boring man…or woman, for that matter. i have to watch myself when confronted with such and keep a neutral expression since their ability to pick up vibes of disdain is probably as good as mine.

      yeah it sounds terrible. it’s not their fault really, IQ being largely genetic. probably about as much as the tendency to obesity is (dammit), as i keep reminding myself when required socially to suffer fools gladly.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 5:05 pm Whitehall

      Many more mature and stable women share your values on this.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 9:12 am GeishaKate

        Stable women? More horse references. I don’t know if I’m supposed to stay in the kitchen or the barn! 🙂

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 8:53 pm corvinus

        The kitchen, I’d hope. The barn is where fatties go, with all the other cows.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 3:56 am Marellus

      And for me, what sets one woman apart from another is her hair. You can tell so much about a woman by her hair … And this hairstyle is utterly captivating to me.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 4:46 am Marellus

        … and why is this hairstyle not so common as before ?

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 8:35 am GeishaKate

        I think its actually not so common because women wash their hair more frequently now. Mmm. Bait look shiny. What can you tell about a woman by her hair?

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:51 am Marellus

        Same girl, different hairstyle. But the one on the right makes her more attractive. It’s a gut reaction.

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 12:05 am Inlone

        Hair on which part of her body?

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  7. on May 17, 2012 at 2:12 pm Killerq

    I’ve found that showing your smarts depends completely on the audience you’re trying to get into. You have to tailor your responses on a sliding scale between smarter and dumber. However, making yourself seem dumber than her gives her higher status and is to avoided lest you slip into betadom.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 5:25 pm Stuki

      Unrelenting displays of intellectual superiority in a one-to-one setting with anyone, particularly women, cannot fail to come off as lack of ability to calibrate socially. And probably as an inability to bond to “inferiors”, like one’s own mate and offspring, as well.

      For those who are blessed with unusual mental acuity, the time to flaunt it, is when opportunities arise to DHV in larger groups. Consistently “being correct”, and “winning” arguments, will get others in the group to start deferring to you; nervously looking at you for validation after saying something. I have found this to be a great way to joust with the typical “sales guy” alphas. The guys who are as confident as Bill O’Reilly when pontificating about pretty much everything, yet half the time are completely unable to argue coherently for whet they proclaim. Women, and most timid betas, will tend to simply agree and laugh along; but will quickly switch sides if you skewer the poor schmuck by pointing out how ridiculous some of his points are.

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  8. on May 17, 2012 at 2:33 pm itsme

    and the $2 was…..hypergamy.

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  9. on May 17, 2012 at 2:37 pm Crank

    The problem isn’t so much being smart, even in the techy sense. The problem is that nearly all guys with very high IQs, especially the math and science types, hyper focus on that skill growing up as their ticket through life. As a result, they never develop meaningful social skills, especially with women. I was that way, but I got by with women to a limited extent based on looks an athleticism as well. But I was fairly socially inept and had no game. Had I actually known how to deal with women confidently when I was younger, I probably would have notched hundreds, so maybe it’s better that I didn’t.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 4:23 pm carolyn

      maybe the solution is to court nerdy girls. seriously, there are a lot of them out there.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 12:22 pm SFG

        Yeah, but fewer than the nerdy guys. So it’s not a ‘solution’ for all of us.

        I’ve had the best luck mixing nerdy behavior with mild game–light kino and mild arrogance while whipping out the science playing cards. All with nerdgirls, of course.

        Oh, and what is it with you nerdgirls and BDSM? I’ve actually lost girls because I didn’t know how to use rope!

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 7:21 am emily

      i used to think i had a thing for nerds. i had a crush on this guy i worked with; he was tall, handsome, ect. really smart, to the point where he had no social skills and people thought of him mostly as weird and a little rude. i thought it was cute, that he was just misunderstood. i would go out of my way to see him at work so i could say hi to him. but one night i went into our break room after most people had gone home and he was there, alone, and the entire room smelled like the nastiest fart EVER. it was painfully obvious he was the poopetrator and that was when i realized i cant do nerd, its too much

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 8:48 am Harland

        …and people say women are shallow. Let this post stand as a monument to hypocrisy.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 12:19 pm SFG

        Women are shallow, but so are men. ‘Shallow’ means caring about appearances, which are the only things that matter in the social world. So ‘shallow’ is something we socially-inept types sling around to insult those who are better at marketing themselves. 😉

        Successful alphas are shallow, arrogant, and evil. ‘Cause those are the genes for success! I find Nietzsche to be quite illuminaitng here…

        [heartiste: no argument here. humanity is “shallow”. the reason men are more easily and rapaciously slapped with the shallow label is because their sexual preferences are more transparent; women’s looks are readily observable. in contrast, women’s sexual preferences, being as they are focused more on men’s status and dominance and charm and thus less easily distinguishable at a glance, can more plausibly evade the smear of shallowness. in reality, women’s preferences are no less shallow than men’s. it’s proxies for reproductive and survival quality all the way down.]

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 4:14 pm emily

        lighten up harland everyone has turn offs. nerds seem particularly prone to olfactory offenses. and i have a weak stomach.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 4:33 pm askjoe

        yup, wimmin have what, a 100 times* more sensitive sense of smell than men? Farting around girls who haven’t been conditioned to love the smell of your toots is a bad idea.

        *=smell like BS to me.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 10:50 pm SFG

        Makes sense, they had to detect spoiled food and such. Particularly if you’re pregnant, you don’t want any toxins around–that can really mess up your baby. Conversely, men out on the hunt would have to hold their noses and eat the occasional mildly spoiled piece of food.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 10:35 pm The Whammer

        A lot of nerds have uncontrolable flatulence especially when nervous around females 🙂

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 8:13 pm Ben

        Haha, awesome commenter. First great woman here. Much needed relief after “Geisha Kate’s” self absorbed hamster blurts.

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 10:34 pm Harland

        What happened to loving a man for who he is? One fart and he’s off the list? You do know that passing gas is a normal human activity, right? After you’re married, you’re going to smell your husband’s farts all the time. Better get married soon, those eggs are rotting away, one at a time, while we speak…

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      • on May 23, 2012 at 11:27 pm necorochi

        “What happened to loving a man for who he is? One fart and he’s off the list?”

        LMFAO

        I know write, just because he farted doesn’t mean anything everyone farts. First of all @emily I bet your farts don’t spell like roses. Second he was in the room by himself for a reason, maybe he was trying to get away from everyone so he could drop the bomb AWAY from people. You were stalking him so much he couldn’t sneak a fart off.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 7:22 pm King A (Matthew King)

        I LOLed at “poopetrator” long before Heartiste honored it with a tweet.

        Once again, the indirect lesson gleaned from female testimony is worth ten comment posts from men attempting to impart wisdom directly.

        “Tall, handsome … really smart … a little rude … cute … misunderstood … go out of my way to see him …” All the ingredients for victory if correctly assembled. But without the IKEA instructions of game, a sturdy looking armoire ends up a slapdash pile of particleboard and screws.

        The commenters who chastize Emily for her shallowness are way off. She wasn’t turned off by his stink bomb per se, it was just the final evidence of his mismanaged mojo.

        Chump probably didn’t even know how close he came to Emily Easy. His ass did all the talking for him.

        Matt

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 11:25 pm drunicusrex

        How odd. Usually, when I break wind women laugh, but I generally follow a noisy ripper with an accusing look at the hottest women in the room.
        “You pig,” I’ll say. “Must you do that in public?”

        Anyhoo, as far as perspacity goes, there are really two types. A con artist might have zero formal education, but can be extraordinarily quick and clever.
        A professor of applied mathematics might come up with brilliant formulae, algos, proofs, and theorems, but be so socially awkward, shy, nervous, or bumbling that his gawkiness can clear a room.
        Women adore strength – either mental, physical, or psychological. Betaness or social cluelessness is, really, a form of weakness.
        Weakness is far more effective as a vagina repellent than even the noisiest, smelliest, juiciest, ass tearing-est fart. You’re probably better off, as a man, dropping a Growler in your pants than appearing weak.

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  10. on May 17, 2012 at 2:40 pm Jason

    Too much smarts are a handicap, no doubt.

    I’ve learned to adjust my own convos. Sliding scale is right, Killerq. It’s best to stay 1 standard deviation above her, instead of 2 or 3 or 4. (Make up your own scale, IQ, college degrees, whatever.)

    The Atlantic Monthly did a good piece a few years ago on exactly that: how women want men with just a tad more education. Which basically leaves female doctors and professors up shit’s creek, man-wise.

    But in the end, cocky/funny attitude trumps ze power of ze leetle gray cells. “He just makes me laugh” is always number one.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 2:54 pm corvinus

      But in the end, cocky/funny attitude trumps ze power of ze leetle gray cells. “He just makes me laugh” is always number one.

      True. Poirot was charming and polite, but wasn’t exactly good with the women, despite being French or whatever.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 3:13 pm Jason

        Meestair Poirot was Belgian. You should be slapped with a waffle.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 4:12 pm That Guy

      @Jason,

      I always attempt to tone down my IQ on first meeting a girl, and try and shut-off my analytical mind – just focusing on the moment, on the connection in the here and now… nothing more… this always works for me

      You’re out by the side of it if you think doctors are very smart, they’re not on average. My wife is an MD/Phd, but I don’t consider her very smart (as in very high IQ), rather it tracks conscientiousness, and work rate. If you are looking for raw high IQ, then you need to look at Math, Physics, Computer Science in the STEM area and Philosophy in the Arts – that’s in terms of credentials – otherwise, those who score above IQ 145 on a standardized IQ test, (sd 15).

      Also, that’s a complete canard that girls are attracted to “Funny guys”, the causation is exactly the opposite. When girls are attracted to a guy, almost any joke – lame, stupid, goofy or whatever – seems funny. You can take that to the bank!

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 5:01 pm Jason

        Good point: Conscientious attention to detail is most important for docs. But intelligence — specifically, problem-solving ability — has to be a close second, along with memorization skills. I know very conscientious people without these types of intelligence, and they would be terrible doctors. But they make great employees, and generally stay lower-middle-class.

        Cocky-funny is commonly accepted as a great way to establish your value upon meeting a woman, man, or whatever else exists. But your point is valid too.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 8:13 am Original JB

        Physicians have a mean IQ in the mid-120s. Way above average, but not in the MENSA range. (Although, not that many guys in STEM or Philosophy have a 145 IQ either – that’s genius territory.)

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    • on May 28, 2012 at 10:47 pm Joe Eoj

      I’m very late with this reply, and probably nobody will ever see it, but here goes anyway.

      I think the idea that women dig guys who are one standard deviation smarter than them is pretty accurate. I’m one of those hard science PhD types, and I find I work best with women who are quite smart but not *too* smart. Y’know, lawyers, biotech types… I think my ideal woman would probably be a veterinarian; they’re smart, compassionate, work in a female-dominated field, and they probably know how to cook. (Because if you can desex a cat, you can stuff a chicken.)

      Anyway, I’m getting off topic. The weird part that I’ve noticed is that I tend to find myself attracting, and attracted to, women in this general range even when *no words are involved*. I have, on the odd occasion, found myself making out with random women on dancefloors prior to exchanging any words with them. Later on, I inevitably seem to find out that they have degrees in microbiology or zoology or something — exactly the range I’d be shopping in anyway. How it happens I don’t know — I don’t *look* that smart as far as I can tell. But my record for picking up dumb women on the dancefloor so far is a big fat zero.

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      • on May 28, 2012 at 11:33 pm David Collard

        Joe, agree about most girls liking a somewhat smarter man. I am a PhD biologist. I have often attracted science girls. My theory is that they are likely to find the slight remoteness of science guys a sexy challenge. Also, daughters of scientists tended to be attracted to me, although my wife’s father was a military man. She was a librarian.

        I think the scientists’ daughters had imprinted on their fathers’ abstracted and remote personalities.

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      • on May 29, 2012 at 6:12 am David Collard

        Also Joe, stupid women often believe stupid things. Such as star signs. Many men would be insulted at having to discuss such nonsense. I remember a smart young man I knew who took a secretary out at my old workplace. He told me he found her conversation too stupid for him.

        Also, while it is good if your woman is comfortably inferior to you intellectually, if she is not even smart enough to realise how dumb she is compared with you, she is likely not to respect you. I had problems taking out a couple of unintelligent women.

        Here is my theory on the function of female intelligence:

        http://davidcollard.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/womans-intelligence-as-mirror/

        I notice that I got 66 comments on that.

        The girl needs to be smart enough to know that you are smarter than her.

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  11. on May 17, 2012 at 2:41 pm Lara

    The best guys are the ones who I can’t tell whether they are smart or not.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 2:51 pm maya

      exactly! 😀 the best are those who are smart and stupid at once (if this is possible …)

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 8:14 pm Ben

        Annnnnd back to the solipsistic morons.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 2:54 pm Obstinance Works

      Starstruck or better Alphastruck. Best is “it doesn’t matter.”

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 2:56 pm corvinus

      You mean, the best guys are those whose intelligence you cannot ascertain?

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 3:27 pm rockthrowingpeasant

        I see what you did there.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 3:34 pm Lara

        The ones I’ve liked best, are the guys who didn’t try to impress me with their brains. In fact, they didn’t try to impress much at all.

        [heartiste: approval-seeking behavior is the death knell of any seduction. unless it’s the woman seeking approval. then it’s straight to the bedroom!]

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 5:14 pm corvinus

        You certainly didn’t impress me with your brains, that’s for sure.

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 8:15 pm Ben

        You’re also a pathetic American woman brainwashed by a corrupted culture. Don’t forget that disclaimer toots!

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 5:30 pm Stuki

      “The best guys are the ones who I can’t tell whether they are smart or not.”

      Which is another way of saying, guys that are smarter than you. Paul Graham coined the term The Blub Paradox to describe this:

      http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html

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  12. on May 17, 2012 at 2:46 pm maurice

    Well, there’s the “Mating Mind” hypothesis that intelligence- and related attributes of large brains like language, art/music, even compassion, etc. evolved as sexual displays, like a peacock’s tail, to show fitness. In other words, smarts evolved via sexual selection (passing on genes) vs. natural selection (an individual organism surviving).

    More to the point, intelligence can be a form of dominance- but only if it pertains to something the woman cares about. If she’s impressed by wit, brains, even accumulated knowldege, then yes, demonstrating that can aid seduction. (Think undergrads sleeping with their professors.) So in that sense, only show what you know to that subset of the female population that is likely to be impressed by it.

    Otherwise, don’t “play dumb”- usually a bad idea- but show open-mindedness, an aspect of intelligence that is always valued.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 5:35 pm Stuki

      When populations grow large enough to make life and offspring sustaining resources scarce, natural selection trumps sexual selection. Fossil fuels and mineral resources temporarily seems to have delayed the onset of this situation for a few generations. But not for much longer.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 7:21 pm gunslingergregi

        you wish the shit would run out but you stuck here and it won’t

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 7:15 pm The Real Vince

      Undergrads sleep with professors not because of intelligence but dominance. Professors simply use intelligence (in the classroom) in order to dominate.

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  13. on May 17, 2012 at 2:46 pm Stephen

    It’s hard to say how this really works. Sometimes I think it’s just about doing something unexpected, which sometimes pays off and sometimes blows up in your face. I’m a guy who’s very smart but who went to a middle-of-the-road state university. I remember doing a work project (I was working at another school) with a group of young women who were both beautiful and smart. One in particular, the daughter of a consul from a foreign country, had degrees from the Sorbonne and Georgetown, besides being truly exotic and physically attractive.

    Despite my lack of pedigree I was considered the “smart person” in our work group (basically the nerd I guess). At one point, talking to the group, I told them we should “analysize” a given situation (rather than “analyze” it). I was completely appalled at myself for what I said but I still remember the look that woman gave me, like she’d take me home that instant if she could. After that I could do no wrong for some reason and she made very clear I could spend the night with her whenever I wanted to.

    I’d been married less than a year at that point and so never took her up on the offer (I guess I shouldn’t admit that on this blog, though looking back I wish I’d taken advantage of some of these opportunities when I had them, given my wife’s willingness to jump at these chances when she has them these days), but before that moment of temporary mental retardation, she wouldn’t have given me the time of day. Who knows how their minds work when it comes to this kind of thing.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 2:53 pm Carnegie

      Your decision to get married during a period of rising Western-style nazism (feminism) and their draconian anti-male legal system should also fall under the category of “temporary mental retardation”

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 4:45 am Thor

      Some people – including me – make a point of mangling words or expressions, as moderate injection of humor. She might have thought you did this on purpose.

      Changing the subject, I recently totally awed a woman (in a fairly brainy crowd) quite accidentally, I can’t remember how it came up, but I pointed out that the Old Testament story of the Garden of Eden (while I don’t for a second believe it literally) has some interesting points, particularly the part that after eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge childbirth would be painful. Actually true, it is DIFFICULT to push out that big brain through the birth canal, notwithstanding that the baby’s brain is poorly developed at the time.

      Given that she had a BF and the logistics were daunting, nothing came of it and she lives in a different state of the US. But her reaction was good for the old ego. (or id or whatever).

      So _sometimes_ smarts pay off. But hey, she might have been within
      that standard deviation of me (few people are).

      Thor

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  14. on May 17, 2012 at 2:48 pm Carnegie

    All bitches want to be with a man who is better (physically, intellectually, socially) than they are. The great thing is, you don’t actually have to be any of those things – you don’t need muscles, nor an intellect, to attract bitches, you just have to know that you’re better than her and express it in the form of enforcing your expectations and punishing her (with words) when she disobeys or disrespects you. Bitches automatically know a man is valuable when he respects his own expectations and gets them met through the use of pain and pleasure – like a dictator.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 10:43 pm The Whammer

      Still a virgin I see

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  15. on May 17, 2012 at 2:49 pm Merc

    In my experience, intelligence means virtually nothing past the point where you are not embarrassingly stupid—which of course is subjective to the women around you.

    I’ll use myself as an example. Looks wise, I’m at least average if not slightly above; Intelligence wise, I’m very above average (lowest I’ve ever scored on a standard IQ test was 143, literally breezed through college math and science with zero effort and A+ grades), and attitude wise I have been hopelessly beta most of my life.

    Past my obvious betaness, my intelligence is the factor that dries a vag the quickest. Women will say that they are attracted to intelligence, and they do, *in theory*. Women like the *idea* of my intelligence, but placed into action it’s a clear turn off.

    To be fair, people are impressed with little bits of esoteric knowledge, or a well thought out opinion in a heated conversation when you first meet, but it’s as valuable as a party trick. It’s a hook. I have a few theories as to why this is:

    1. Laying it on too thick makes people feel inferior.
    2. Constantly “out-smarting” people is condescending. This might be social-retardation talking, but no matter how nice I feel I’m being, if there’s a disagreement on a subject, and I’m correct, I come off as a prick, but that’s likely my issue.
    3. This is where I’m leaning, being to smart screams of “nerd,” and there is absolutely nothing that turns women off more than being a nerd. This is an association that occurs young, and is strong throughout life. If you’re too smart, you’re a nerd, regardless of whether or not you display any other “nerd” attributes.

    I suspect my situation would be different if I were less of a supplicant wimp, maybe a few overtly intelligent folks who’ve successfully made the transition from pussbag to player can chime in on that.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 2:55 pm rockthrowingpeasant

      Merc,
      I agree:
      “Women like the *idea* of my intelligence…”
      What they mean is, “I like the idea of intelligence, but only if all the other switches are flipped.”
      I don’t think it dries the vag as much as it can’t substitute for what they’re actually looking for in a man.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 4:19 pm Exurban

      OK, I have some similarities to you, but have had some success in lessening betatude (also I’m probably a lot older, pushing 60). Here’s what I’ve learned:

      If you have brains, you use them to get ahead and live better. You do not, do not, tell people how smart you are. You do not have to be the smartest person in the room.

      Most people at the higher IQ levels are men, just like Larry Summers said. Several important principles relate to this. Women with 135+ IQs are even more outliers than you are, hence likely even more neurotic. If you want to have an intellectual conversation, talk to a guy. Genuine female intellectuals are rare. Forget about finding a soul mate who wants to talk philosophy or science; the numbers are lottery-style against it, and that’s not how male-female relations work anyway.

      Your potential female fan club consists mostly of women who are at the next level down of intelligence. Note this is just like it is with every other trait – your female fans are likely to be just a little shorter, just a little younger, just a little poorer, et cetera. You certainly don’t want them too dumb. Just don’t waste time searching for sexy nerdy brainiacs.

      One possible measure of how smart they should be at a minimum … if they have tattoos, they’re too dumb. Some academic should do a study of tattoos cross-referenced with IQ. They’d likely find that the tattoo bell curve drops steeply off on the right side above IQ 115 and falls near zero around 125. So if she’s got tats, it’s a short term relationship and you’re on the lookout for trouble.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 4:42 pm M

      intelligence is knowing how to turn ur intellect into pussy, if u can’t ur not intelligent, its basic shit. or ur coriallanis and dont give half a fk. and u care about truth soundmoney like gbfm does l0l

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 5:03 pm That Guy

      @Merc,

      Very true. My IQ is 157 and almost every girl who professes to “love” intelligent guys, nevertheless hates intelligent conversation?!

      For girls to say they love intelligent men, is just their way of trying to signal that they themselves are intelligent. Often the ones who profess this the strongest are the dumbest ones. Girls of IQ over 130 or so, almost never profess their love of intelligent guys.

      So my rule of thumb is never, NEVER, attempt to have a serious discussion with a girl until you have at least bedded her once. For the high IQ guy, who’s a little shy or lacking in social confidence, but assertive in his high intelligence, this is a fatal trap girls will set for you. Don’t take the bait. Always deflect to trivial things and themes. Ask her about colors or some innane topic, and let her wow you with her “color IQ” or whatever she likes to label it…

      In fact my general rule of thumb is to make all your early interactions less about substance and more about style. In other words, attitude, dominant demeanor are very important initially. So if a girl wants to call me early on, I don’t focus on content, except to keep it brief, but make sure to speak in a low, deep voice.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 8:35 pm The Whammer

        Egad! So many people with genius level IQ’s on the Net And they’re all posting on a blog about how to get laid 🙂

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 9:02 pm That Guy

        Is there any more noble cause for a guy than for to shed light on the dark arts for their padwans?!

        I try to be that guy…

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 12:14 pm Dan Fletcher

        I’ve noticed on any internet thread relating to IQ there is a massive amount of people claiming an IQ in the upper 1% of IQ scores.

        Call me crazy, but I smell some serious BS.

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 4:16 am Whammer

        I do too especially when they seem stupid to me lol

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 11:38 pm drunicusrex

        No, I’ve noticed that as well. It probably is true that people with internet access tend to have slightly higher IQ’s than average, but it does seem that comments on articles about intelligence mysteriously turn all or most of the commenters into near-geniuses.
        Most humans will, by definition, have an IQ of 100. College grads, most professionals (including doctors) have IQ’s averaging around 120; Asians and whites will, on average, have far higher IQ’s than certain minorities, but this is likely more related to relative wealth (the wealthy and upper -middle) having far higher IQ’s than the poor.
        Anyway, “street smarts,” or sales abilities, are far far more likely to get a man laid than, say, being a really talented actuary, though the actuary will benefit from a high salary.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 7:49 pm AnonH

      I’m a Mensa man too, but the difference is, my college mates were skirt chasers, so I became a skirt chaser, by mimicking their behavior.

      It meant lifting a ton of weights, hanging out with a lot of coeds, and just plain learning to joke around.

      You want to change your life?
      1. Lift free weights, an hour at a time, twice a week, every week, for the next year. Yes, I said year. It takes a good year to get into shape.
      2. Approach lots of women, as long as you find her attractive.
      3. Stop being serious; funny or witty is better than deep or correct.
      4. Learn game.

      Game is really ways to handle points 2 and 3 better. As for point 1, being physically fit is attractive to women, as is the confidence you gain knowing that you are physically fit.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 10:56 pm Greg Eliot

        The cable and lever machines work pretty good too… and without the tendonitis that non-twenty-something guys can get from awkward positions putting the bar back on the bench.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:42 am money

        AnonH,

        Is Mensa as bad as everyone says — clueless losers trying to get into the pants of fat girls by impressing them with their knowledge of trivia? Lots of games involving people taking their clothes off?

        [heartiste: the smart, cool guys i know would never step foot in a mensa meeting. the smart, uncool guys i know brag about their mensa membership. that should tell you all you need to know.]

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 4:18 am Whammer

        Yeah, just get them to play naked twister with you.

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      • on May 22, 2012 at 2:27 pm AnonH

        @money, I’ve never been to a Mensa meeting. I joined on a lark, just to see if I could get in.

        Living in the Boston region, Harvard/MIT alums are a dime a dozen. No matter what you do, you’re bound to meet several, so I never felt a need to go to a Mensa meet up.

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      • on May 22, 2012 at 3:16 pm That Guy

        20 years ago, a few weeks after I came to New York, I tested and joined Mensa, thinking I might meet some smart and hot chicks.

        I attended about 5 meetings over a couple of months, till I could take it no longer.

        The two biggest problems with Mensa – New York Chapter anyway – were:

        1. Almost everyone was socially inept to a lesser or greater extent. Then there was the ritualistic behavior of almost continuous “Carnelli” sessions – where Carnelli is a 6-degrees of separation game, involving Hollywood Celebs. It’s boring to play, unless like some members you have literally tried to memorize the entire IMDB website. But in either case, it’s not socializing, it’s participating in a quiz.

        2. Most members that I encountered with few exceptions were those who just scraped by the magic number of IQ 132, after multiple IQ test attempts. So basically they had marginally high IQ. So for very high IQ members, they came across as stoooopid.

        Years later, I would date the niece of the founder of Mensa, Isaac Asimov, and though she has an IQ of 170 – the highest IQ female I have ever dated – being female rendered her conversation bland, in that she couldn’t think outside the box much, and delighted in reciting talking points of the Uber-Left – which I found odious. Needless to say the relationship didn’t last 6 months.

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      • on June 28, 2012 at 1:58 am David Collard

        That Guy

        What was she like, the 170IQ girl? Was it obvious she was that smart?

        You claim an IQ of 157, which is about 1 in 10,000. Where were you tested?

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      • on June 28, 2012 at 2:47 am That Guy

        @David,

        I was tested at 17 yo in Ireland. I score highly on Verbal and Math, but my Abstract/Visuo-Spatial Reasoning is off the charts.

        The 170 IQ girl was a college prof, and author of a number of books – last I checked 9 or 10. She was an absolutely exquisite writer, with an astounding vocabulary. It’s very rare for me to meet someone who can write brilliant prose, and include multiple words in a single paragraph that I have never heard of, but that was her.

        The downside was that her extreme liberal views rendered her non wife material, and barely gf material. But sex was good as she was keen to please.

        Appearance wise, I’d give her face a 7 and her bod an 8. She had an hourglass figure, D-cups, and was tall, 5′ 11″, with long flowing hair.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 11:04 pm King A (Matthew King)

      Merc wrote:

      Laying it on too thick makes people feel inferior. … Constantly “out-smarting” people is condescending. … I come off as a prick … This is where I’m leaning, being to [sic] smart screams of “nerd” …

      You hit the nail on the head, but not quite for the reasons you fantasize.

      Smart people lay it on thick at times, but smarter ones are cognizant of that supremely annoying trait and correct for it. Being “smart” is the way you justify your insuperable social retardation. You are doing it right now. Who even knows his IQ, much less offers it as a résumé-item to bolster his point, rather than letting the point speak for itself?

      People who feel the need to display/demonstrate/prove their so-called intellectual superiority are not smart. They have been told they are “smart” as a self-esteem maneuver to compensate for their social awkwardness. Men who are minimally socially aware understand that “smarts” don’t have to be underlined. The very act of underlining is a tell. Intelligence is broadcasted sufficiently by your tone, your demeanor, and often, by the way you look pre-verbally. Only a dullard could think smarts are conveyed by declaration rather than passively.

      Someone inclined to prattle on about his C.V. is someone who is paranoid, bone-deep, that he has to actively work to distract people from unconcealable flaws like ugliness, shortness, nerdish discomfort with social interaction, or even an interior dumbness itself. He is effectively saying, “I know I give off a bad vibe, but (PLEASE!) stick with me because I have other compensating talents that aren’t as obvious as the pit stains on my shirt.”

      That’s the “clear turn off” women are rejecting in you. Not intelligence per se. If you were a little smarter you’d realize that.

      Matt

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 12:13 am blert

        Solid points.

        ===

        A truly smart fellow, with maturity, entirely stops trying to win arguments in a social setting — that’s for debate club.

        In a college setting, just admitting your major ( STEM, etc. ) is more than enough to establish your brains.

        In the presence of women a smart man ENTIRELY drops educated lingo — unless you’re already on the faculty.

        Instead, one aims to speak like a TV talking-head with most of the babble easy to understand for even a hot frosh.

        For any man that is really smart his mating goal is to appeal to a reasonably wide female audience. Arcana is no help.

        ====

        More generally, high IQ guys TALK TOO MUCH.

        This tick stops them from escalating kino at the correct tempo.

        One of the FIRST rules of selling is to stop selling when you’ve closed the sale.

        Brainiacs violate this dictum constantly — because they’re so in love with their train of thought.

        To succeed with young women, they must learn to abandon all theses upon bed-bounding cues.

        ====

        A first ‘baby-step’ on the road is to …

        Pull her into a different venue ASAP so that you can drop all prior conversationalists; and devolve her priorities down to just where and when she’s going to have to hit the sheets… since it’s her turn to seduce you.

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 5:23 am Mr. Pointyface

        Absolutely right, top 1% on GRE’s here– higher than Harvard doctoral admits– and I blew a date yesterday with a stunning Ukrainian 20 year old. Was all goo-goo eyed when I told I was Italian; by the end of the day she was so weirded out by my oddball ranting she texted asking me not to call her anymore.

        Also ( to prove your point about us not being able to shut up): a repetitive, off-putting mannerism is a “tic” , not an insect (“tick”) or a percussive sound.

        I tell you one thing I was smart enough to do is get out of Murka after I made a little F-U money. Bye, whales.

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 2:10 pm attractionreaction

        “More generally, high IQ guys TALK TOO MUCH.”

        Not quite correct: high IQ guys talk too FAST. Just slow down. To smrt guys, talking fast shows intelligence, which garners respect.

        But for women, talking fast communicates “nervous”, which is DLV; talking slow communicates “relaxed” ( = confidence).

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:23 am Merc

        I feel I may have misrepresented myself. I long ago realized a lot of what you’re saying and have adjusted my behavior accordingly. I only pointed out my test scores in my original post because I felt it was apropos to the point being made; it’s not something I’m in the habit of doing. It doesn’t matter at all whether or not I state my intelligence level or let it speak for itself in a blog comment. I certainly don’t declare how clever I believe I am to others in social situations.

        These days I’m much more socially adept, but it takes conscious effort. Probably always will. I’ve learned that in depth knowledge of a conversational topic, after a certain point, just makes people uncomfortable (again, because it implies nerdiness; people often respond to me with questions like “when the hell do you *learn* all of that?” or “*how* do you know that?”, both of which can be read as “why weren’t you busy doing what normal people were doing?”). Still working on reading people and knowing when they have heard enough of my encyclopedic talking points.

        I’m certainly still coming off like a prick, but no big. I’m pretty sure that most people like to play at intellectual conversation, when really they are just flapping their mouths while they subconsciously work out who is going to bang who at the end of the night. I get it though, people are out to have a good time, not attend a college lecture.

        You’ll always be able to tell the difference between someone who spent his freshman year in high school reading through the World Book rather than trying to fingerbang chicks. Guess which one I was? =)

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 6:45 pm King A (Matthew King)

        These days I’m much more socially adept, but it takes conscious effort. Probably always will.

        Nah. You can wear intelligence well just like any prowess. It does however require humility, which doesn’t jibe with the general ethos of game-for-betas rising out of their chumpdom. Arrogance about one’s intelligence comes off as overcompensating and nerdly, not dominant. People who know they’re good at something have zero need to prove it, much less preemptively declare it. I was suspicious of your initial explanation because that “conscious effort” at social aptitude shows almost as much as the maladroitness you’re trying to conceal. Trying hard alerts us to the fact that the person, for some reason, feels it necessary to be trying so hard.

        If you’ve laid the groundwork, purposefully dumbing yourself down is counterproductive (and more awkward than you might think). You can use two-dollar words in context, with confidence, and in such a way that shifts the communication gap to her responsibility. “I should know what ‘slattern’ means! Everyone else knew what he meant! I should at least know if it’s a compliment or an insult!”

        The key is not using $2 words when a ten-cent one will do, like, “somnolent” for “sleepy.” There are subtle differences in connotation that make uncommon words preferable to the common, but that subtlety should be strictly reserved for the written expression, where visual poesy, precision of meaning, and avoidance of repetition matters. In speech, though, expressing those subtleties are the work of tone, body language, and demeanor, and repetition is accepted as method of emphasis.

        I believe you are smooth as you say. No judgment to the contrary from me based on a blog comment explanation. It goes without saying that the manner and the substance of our communication in a written forum like this has nothing to do with the spoken and subverbal communication we achieve among women.

        A lot of haters who are insecure about their lack of “book learnin'” can’t seem to grasp that point. They think that, just because we can quote the classics in a place like this, we’re socially inept enough to try Shakespeare on women. That’s the flip-side of the syndrome I’m talking about above. Mom told her idiot offspring that he’s good at “street smarts,” so don’t be intimidated by men with “book smarts.” They take that childhood lie — that the one kind of acumen precludes the other — and extrapolate it to adult social interaction. If you’re conspicuously intelligent you must be lacking in other areas, areas that mom told me I’m good at.

        Matt

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      • on May 21, 2012 at 11:24 am Merc

        All good points. Specifically:

        [quote]If you’ve laid the groundwork, purposefully dumbing yourself down is counterproductive[/quote]

        Both my girl and a few of my female friends have regularly told me that it’s sexy that I am “like, so smart,” I don’t “dumb-myself” down around them. I think what was coming through in my initial post was a specific frustration I have in these specific situations, whereas I feel comfortable enough to get into disagreements with them, or babble on and on regarding my latest topic of interest only to receive the dreaded “nerd giggles” that I grew to loath in my youth.

        Reading back my original comment I probably look like the typical nerd who finds himself consistently angry that no one is seeing through his shell to the brilliant point of light he really is (just like in the movies!) That’s not how I handle myself anymore, but I guess the old injuries still flair up from time to time.

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      • on May 21, 2012 at 11:26 am Merc

        Fuck. If anyone wants to tell this “genius” what the proper markup language is for this blog, I’d be eternally grateful.

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      • on May 21, 2012 at 1:39 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Reading back my original comment I probably look like the typical nerd who finds himself consistently angry that no one is seeing through his shell to the brilliant point of light he really is (just like in the movies!).

        Good, then. You’re aware of how you come off when you’re not careful about letting an easy mental facility degenerate into nerdery.

        One thing to think about: game is for intelligent men almost by definition. Game is a process of applying certain precepts to a social situation in order to create different results than what comes naturally. The naturally socially dominant has no need for game, except as a reinforcer or intellectual buttress to his instinct, and the dumb man has no ability to apply intellectual concepts to practical action. We’re all potential nerds here. You might even say there is a gravitational pull towards nerdery by the very fact that we are almost scientifically deconstructing a social dynamic that is driven by instinct.

        That makes this “How Much Do Smarts Matter” a decisive (if not the decisive) factor in the application of game. Our receptivity to turning its precepts into results makes us vulnerable to overdoing it — The Whammer’s Wallet Trick below is an example of overanalysis. Our smarts must be subconsciously tempered by our cool or our amused mastery or, as I would put it, our humility.

        Matt

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      • on May 21, 2012 at 1:42 pm King A (Matthew King)

        P.S. Don’t use brackets, use greater- and less-than signs. I think that’s the html standard.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 10:53 pm The Whammer

      I come off as a prick

      You sound like one to me so you can imagine what females think.

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    • on May 28, 2012 at 11:01 pm Joe Eoj

      Another factor is just interest level. According to Aldous Huxley, “An intellectual is a person who has discovered something more interesting than sex”. And I have to admit that as a smart academic type I just don’t seem to get nearly as interested in sex as my dumber peers.

      Don’t get me wrong — I certainly like sex. But, y’know, I’ve already done it, so is it really worth expending a lot of effort to do it again?

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      • on May 28, 2012 at 11:41 pm David Collard

        Yes, I like that quote too.

        In my younger years, I chased science, not girls. Most girls are intellectually unimpressive, so putting up with them just for sex seemed like a dubious bargain to me.

        But Joe, you may find, as I did, that a stronger interest in sex kicks in quite a bit later.

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  16. on May 17, 2012 at 2:50 pm rockthrowingpeasant

    “because very high IQ seems to be associated with a lack of social savviness and other off-putting personality quirks.”
    For most, yeah. I think there’s a good number that just have a conversation take place in their heads and they do a mental “eye roll” at the lack of intelligence they think they’ll find.

    Lara nails it. For guys on the far right of the bell curve – don’t talk so much. It’s one of the first lessons. Slow down. Talk less. Make your words mean more, without forcing intellectual pretentiousness.
    In fact, it’s something of a gift. If your synapses are firing faster, you may have three or four responses to pick from as you await her finishing her thought. Most guys experience this. You’re talking with a woman and you know where she’s going and can practically pick the words she’s going to use.
    Slow down. Talk less. Use the time and gift to make the next chess move.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 5:10 pm Whitehall

      “Lara nails it. For guys on the far right of the bell curve – don’t talk so much. It’s one of the first lessons.”

      Did the young Newt get much action? I doubt it. And while he has a hot wife now, I don’t think he has learned his lesson yet.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 1:01 am SFG

        He seems to keep getting hot women, so he’s doing something right from the game point of view.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 10:58 pm Greg Eliot

      In every aspect of life, the less said, the better.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 1:51 am Special K

      “In fact, it’s something of a gift. If your synapses are firing faster, you may have three or four responses to pick from as you await her finishing her thought. Most guys experience this. You’re talking with a woman and you know where she’s going and can practically pick the words she’s going to use.
      Slow down. Talk less. Use the time and gift to make the next chess move.”

      That’s actually a CAUSE of problems. Smart guys have their own hampster, typically powered by insecurity. At very least… I did. I finally managed to kill him, but until I did that little fucker was the cause of virtually all my crash and burns.

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  17. on May 17, 2012 at 2:51 pm Redleg

    Social intelligence does not equal academic intelligence. The distinction is enormous.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 2:57 pm Carnegie

      Agreed. There’s only 2 things a man needs to fuck young attractive bitches.

      1) social skills
      2) come to the realization that a healthy relationship is:

      man = dictator
      woman = follower

      It really is that SIMPLE.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 6:27 pm gunslingergregi

        naa ya only need one thing money

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 6:28 pm gunslingergregi

        but yea if you guys get loot ya hire a bitch to go get bitches for you make a chick the middleman you the client and the bitches she show you will work for your attention he he he

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 6:30 pm gunslingergregi

        shit is not rocket science nor is it hard very simple really
        too simple why ya think people make it hard try to act like there is something to it

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 6:54 pm gunslingergregi

        there is no meaning of life to be found in pussy. A holy grail might fit in some of them though he he he

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 8:01 pm GeishaKate

        The grail is the womb.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 11:00 pm Greg Eliot

        Most women certainly act like theirs is gold-plated.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 11:00 pm gunslingergregi

        dime a dozen

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 11:01 pm gunslingergregi

        the ones the grail could fit in are somewhat rare unless ya force it in there he he he

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 11:48 pm drunicusrex

        The grail would be numerous wombs of exceptionally attractive women.

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  18. on May 17, 2012 at 2:55 pm Tyrone

    Brain power is generally wasted on women beyond a certain minimum level. Even smart women have at best limited intellectual curiosity and those long philosophical conversations you dreamed of when you finally meet a smart woman end up being a chimera. Women want fun conversation and clever, charming banter. Most are incapable of even recognizing true intelligence.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 2:59 pm corvinus

      Name the ancient Greek philosopherettes.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 6:52 pm Anon

        uhh… Marie curie? lolz

        Careful though, fembots may dig out the name of Hypathia if you give them enough time.
        There are exceptions but the fact remains that the greatest historical figures are males. Women achieve greatness by being pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen. True story.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 6:15 pm SFG

        A few women do play the man’s role well. Margaret Thatcher and Elizabeth I come to mind, as well as the aforementioned Madam Curie. Still, that doesn’t mean men and women will be the same *in aggregate*. History is full of exceptions, and anyone who makes it into history is, of course, an exception.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 10:38 am Phinn

        Ha.

        The great philosophers were celibate.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 12:26 pm SFG

        Or gay.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 6:03 pm Nyk

        [geek]Hypatia was[/geek] the only [geek]one[/geek].

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 3:45 pm Anonymous

      A+

      Female intelligence is all surface, no interior.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 4:13 pm Kay

      Well I think the key is that the witty, charming banter must always come first. Once a guy shows this charismatic facet of himself, he can then move on (after whatever amount of time feels right) to the “long philosophical conversations.” Granted, not a whole lot of women are keen on such conversations (or are capable of carrying one on), but if a woman is able and desires it, I think there is a chance for a moving soulful connection to take place between the two people.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 4:43 pm HR Lincoln

      “Most are incapable of even recognizing true intelligence.”

      Agree. I believe most women are poor at gauging true intelligence; put them in the presence of a smooth talker with slightly above average IQ and some game, and they’ll readily convince themselves (and tell their friends) about how brilliant the guy is.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 8:19 am Original JB

        A few days ago a woman with a high IQ (above 130) shocked me with her thoughts on how brilliant Obama is. A perfect illustration of your comment. Their rationalization hamster works on more levels than are typically discussed here.

        [heartiste: smart girls have the buffest hamsters. no surprise that they believe the stupidest shit.]

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 5:44 am Mr. Pointyface

        If you’re so smart [er than BHO], why aren’t you president? Losers.

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    • on May 19, 2012 at 11:47 pm CooingDove

      That’s us. Crazy AND dumb.

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  19. on May 17, 2012 at 3:03 pm askjoe

    For most girls, smartness isn’t the thing, it’s the path to the thing. The things are doctor, lawyer, banker, *rich*. I noticed some smart, rich girls who are just looking for good genes may shop for smartness without any particular fiduciary upside but otherwise, if you don’t have a prestigious job title, your smarts are meh.
    A note to all dc nerds, dropping the intelligence bomb isn’t easy. You have to prove it, if the girl is one to whom it matters. I let it slip once and the HB was like, eye rolls, “uh huh, every guy says he’s smart.” And since girls can’t measure things (what, do you think mentioning LSAT scores is sexy?), they’ll only know your smart by problem solving skills and other acuity measures that pop up (it’s not solving Elder Scrolls).
    Smarts as a practical matter can go either way, making you dread rejection so much you never do anything or letting you study your HB victims like Hannibal Lechter.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 5:35 pm DiamondEyes

      This is why women (including the wretched cows in HR) use the college credential as their primary gauge of “intelligence”. It’s not raw intelligence they seek, it’s conformism and marketability. Nothing screams “provider beta that will boost my status” quite like the dupe that has a Master’s from an Ivy.

      I used to be fooled by the applicants with advanced or prestigious degrees, now I realize they are usually the least worthy of their salaries. If you want good employees, look first for guys that made something of their lives with limited education, look second to guys with a BS from an unglamorous state school. It’s all about hunger, ambition, and humility.

      Sort of the same principle as not marrying the club girl HB10 and expecting good wifely qualities.

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  20. on May 17, 2012 at 3:20 pm Whitehall

    My bedmates almost always say my high intelligence is a big turn-on. That might be self-selection of course.

    Your defintion of “smarts” is too stereotypical to be useful. Certainly “brainiacs” with no social skills will find their cognitive superiority of little use in getting laid.

    But…if they put their minds to the task of marketing themselves to females, they will succeed. The most important task is achieving high status and intelligence can find many ways to do that. When women I’ve met start googling me, they find all sort of high status indicators – New York Times articles about me, pieces I’ve done, even Amazon reviews of books and music.

    But do you lord it over women verbally? Heck no! That’s a sure sign of your insecurity. Good conversational skills are the point of application for one’s intelligence.

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  21. on May 17, 2012 at 3:35 pm Flahute

    Gentlemen, it is much better to demonstrate your intelligence by what you do than by what you say.

    Not this –> “Well, you see, restoring a classic vertical twin usually means replacing the push-rods which tend to bow blah blah blah.”

    This –> “Bike’s done. Wanna ride?”

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 3:54 pm Whitehall

      Explaining the difference between laminar flow and turbulant flow is not nearly as effective as fiddling with her plumbing.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 1:30 am Special K

        I call bullshit. I did a 2 year research project on modeling laser induced turbulent flow (physics student) as an undergrad. Even got it published in the AJP. If that shit turned girls on, you’d all be reading MY fucking blog.

        One day, just as an experiment, I started lying about how smart I was. I’d tell people I was majoring in something easy (econ, philosophy, etc). I’d tone down the vocabulary, and occasionally use poor grammer.

        I’ve been doing it ever since. The one caveat is that I will occasionally allow my facade to crack. For example when a girl rhetorically asks me “why is the sky is blue,” I’ll teach her about optical scattering.

        The trick is to act like you’re of normal intelligence long enough to avoid being pigeon-holed as a socially inept Sheldon-Cooper type. Then use your brains as a DHV item later on in the game.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 1:46 am That Guy

        That’s exactly my take too. Much better that a chick sees herself getting with a bad boy, and later as her feelings for you are stronger, you reveal the intellectual side – which makes you a multi-dimensional, conundrum to her – rather than gets you screened out as “boring” in the seduction phase…

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 6:15 am Erik L

        If you watch “Big Bang Theory” and read this blog, you must conclude that Penny wants to sleep with Sheldon by now. The dude is inadvertently alpha but doesn’t even want to touch a woman. This is the central gag of his character.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 1:29 pm DiamondEyes

        It’s another show that often reveals that the writers are Heartiste readers, or at least game-aware. Sheldon’s character is pretty damn funny.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:38 am Kyo

        Special K, your experiment would also work when in a foreign country — here in Japan, whenever I tone down my Japanese ability, I somehow become a lot more attractive to women.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 12:05 pm Lara

        There is something endearing about a man who has broken English.

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 5:57 am Mr. Pointyface

        Love this. No more doctorate-filmmaker-programmer-expatriate-screenwriter bragging. I do try hard at life, but women can’t understand that– you should be wasting the money on Cape Cod trips with them.

        I just want to play the guitar. Want to get drunk?

        No? Oh shit, my landlord just texted me, got to go.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 4:16 pm Kay

      LOVE this point. So true.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 6:14 pm shiva1008

        really, I thought that was pretty obvious. Just goes to show that girls are impressed by dumb s***.

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  22. on May 17, 2012 at 3:40 pm Anon

    “no man ever incited tingles in a girl by solving quadratic equations or philosophizing deeply about deep stuff”

    Yeah, Nietzsche never fucked Lou Salomé despite spending days talking about deep shit.
    And his 180 IQ didn’t prevent him from doing the ultimate beta mistake: proposing to the girl without establishing the smallest bit of attraction.

    My life has been easier since I stopped discussing serious stuff with chicks. Keep it light and emotional, don’t discuss evolutionary psychology or star formation for more than a couple of minutes (except in the rare occasion where she’s genuinely fascinated by the topic).

    Make her laugh, make her happy, make her sad, make her cry. Focus on emotions, that’s how bitches feel alive. Keep the serious stuff for your buddies.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 3:49 pm Listener

      “Make her laugh, make her happy, make her sad, make her cry. Focus on emotions, that’s how bitches feel alive.”

      Sounds like the feel-good hit of the summer.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 3:52 pm Jason

      +1

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 3:55 pm Carnegie

      “Make her laugh, make her happy, make her sad, make her cry. Focus on emotions, that’s how bitches feel alive. Keep the serious stuff for your buddies.”

      YAHTZEEE we have a WINNER

      THIS + Be dominant = Ultimate aphrodisiac

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 4:46 pm Tyrone

      “Make her laugh, make her happy, make her sad, make her cry. Focus on emotions, that’s how bitches feel alive. Keep the serious stuff for your buddies.”.

      That is exactly correct. I do this and my wife worships me. It’s amazing how well this works. My wife has a very high IQ. She is an excellent student and attended a prestigious university and was an honor student. She’s fluent in several languages, etc. Now she has straight A’s in accounting and does it easily. She has a photographic memory. She’s still more interested in celebrity news over more serious topics and filters her knowledge of these things through me and is relieved by it. We still talk a lot together but its almost always middle brow at best. We’ve had some deeper conversations, etc. but they’re generally behind us as we agree on most of these things..By extension, just look at the entire womens’ media. I think Aristotle said it best, that women are somewhere between men and children. However, women excel at espionage and intrigue. Highly intelligent ones also understand power structures well. Women apply intelligence to social situations for the most part. Society exists to control men for their sake and always has. We’ve just gone too far. .

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  23. on May 17, 2012 at 3:58 pm GhostShip

    Brain power in men only matter to woman as much as a man uses it to advance his status. A man might be a genius but if he doesn’t use it to climb the social pecking order and thus be more valuable to her she couldn’t care less.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 8:42 pm Uradyke

      Well said, thats pretty much the jist of it. Smarts are appreciated and admired when there is tangible proof they’ve contributed to the mans success.

      …..and that they exist alongside the more immediately important qualities.

      A girl could walk through an alley, see a homeless guy solving theoretical physics problems on a chalkboard, and not give two shits.

      Relatedly, I find contrast has always been money. Convey qualities to her that are unrelated and unexpected. Sometimes be genuine. Other times be suprisingly callous and rude. Girls go nuts for guys who they cannot identify and categorize. They love a puzzle, a mystery. Never let her think she has you figured out. I would suggest that to your relations with anyone.

      People soon leave the well thats run dry.

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  24. on May 17, 2012 at 4:29 pm ironndrugs

    There needs to be a bigger distinction between academic intelligence, athletic intelligence, and social intelligence.

    Its not intelligence girls hate. Its the intellectuals. Intellectuals are the among the biggest narcissists on the planet and not in the panty dropping way. Nobody gives a fuck about the Nietzsche philosophy books you read. Nobody gives a shit about your job or which Ivy league school you went to or the Doctorate you’ve got.When in doubt, don’t say anything.

    I’ve found that by being Ivy, having a doctorate, and having a 6 fig job get in the way more than they help. You should never bring them up. Let the girls find out on their own by accident and play it off like its nothing.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 9:30 pm Money, Muscle, Math

      Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Being a nerd hurts. Being unable to carry a normal conversation hurts. Being intelligent but failing to apply it successfully is a waste.

      Ivy league and money are signals and they are positive ones. Women want resources for their spawn.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 2:16 am my_beanus (@mybeanus)

      Humility is more important than “Let the girls find out on their own by accident and play it off like its nothing.”

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  25. on May 17, 2012 at 4:30 pm Spiralina

    “The flash point was when she used a two-dollar word and he replied in a way that proved he didn’t know what the word meant.”

    Ugh! You can almost hear the ‘gina drying up from across the room (I imagine it sounds like crinkling paper).

    It’s simple:

    1) A dumb man is a turn-off.
    2) A smart man who acts nonchalant about his intelligence is a turn-on.
    3) A smart man who acts pretentious about his intelligence is a bigger turn-off than a dumb man.

    Social proof works here. If a man talks in a plain-spoken way but his friends brag about his intelligence, he’s an intriguing mystery. If a man brags about his own intelligence (dropping his GRE score, Ivy League credentials, or unnecessary $2 words within 10 minutes of meeting him)… *paper crinkling sound*

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  26. on May 17, 2012 at 4:41 pm Kay

    In all seriousness, I am really intrigued as to how you (Heartiste) can be so highly intelligent in so many ways (high social, verbal, logical intelligences, etc.) Usually they don’t all coincide at once in one person – hence the normal distinctions between “nerds” and “players,” etc. It seems to me that this coincidence of intelligences is a fairly obvious reason why some people just seem to be so much more charismatic (and therefore attractive) right off the bat. This kind of person is ideal.

    So as I hinted at in an earlier reply, smarts mixed with other intelligences is hugely attractive – smarts on their own are pretty much neutral as far as primal attractiveness goes.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 5:49 pm Listener

      Don’t fall for that multiple intelligences PC claptrap. It was crafted to make stupid people feel better. Yeah, some guys have notably developed delts or pecs, but in the real world, if someone’s strong, he’s sufficiently strong all-around. He won’t have weird, shriveled calves.

      I’m a decently accomplished artist but work a very analytical day job. People will focus on one of those two aspects when meeting me, but the reality is that they’re both high functioning. Maybe you’re about to call me out for “shriveled charisma,” but I can turn that on when need be.

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  27. on May 17, 2012 at 4:45 pm Charlie

    Intelligence matters, not only because it’s an attractive quality, but also because a man who has passion and motivation in his work is more confident and attractive.

    There is more to life than dating and sex, the thirst for knowledge should be purely for the individual.

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  28. on May 17, 2012 at 4:47 pm ironndrugs

    I was home schooled until middle school due to living with “the great unwashed” in a shitty school system while my family got out of school debt (parents had 3 kids before Fathers doctorate was finished). Team sports was my saving grace. The banter you learn talking shit to your teammates and opponents can not be replaced by to the gym solo, a good job, or whatever shit you do to improve status.

    My advice? Beer league sports with “dumb” guys. Hockey, rugby, lax, softball whatever. Play it. Learn to chirp. The rest falls in place.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 9:44 pm The Whammer

      How about bowling? 🙂

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 8:30 am Original JB

      I ball wit da brothas.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 8:49 am Lara

      This is a good comment. Hang out with, and learn to bond with, guys who are not as smart as you. You’ll be cooler as a result.

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  29. on May 17, 2012 at 5:15 pm RappaccinisDaughter

    I adore brilliant men, the smarter and more well-educated the better…as long as they are not bores. The key is that, in addition to occupying the thinnest section of the bell curve, they must also have a sense of humor. An intelligent man who can make me laugh can be shorter than I am, make less money, be significantly over (or under)weight, or have a face like an elbow–in short, he can be beta as fuck–and it won’t matter. I’ll be laughing at his quips while simultaneously trying to figure out how I’m going to get him alone.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 5:44 pm That Guy

      See my comments above on girls who “love” smart guys and “funny” guys…

      You lump smart and well-educated together, yet they are only loosely correlated in the general population – but it’s a ubiquitous American mistake.

      Your post makes you exactly the kind of girl I’m describing above. For you see, “boring” is girl-speak for intellectual conversation. Well-educated is correlated with higher earning potential. You remind me of a young girl I knew who had “dated” a mid-60’s extremely wealthy guy, and who professed her admiration for him. However, when called on to say exactly what was most admirable about him, she came up short, then stammering for something to say, ended up with… “how he became so wealthy”

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 5:54 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Ah, you suspect that I am attempting to broadcast my own intelligence? Perhaps, but if that’s a motivator, then it’s a subconscious one. What I mean by “boring” is that if a man is expounding on a subject about which I know very little, I may be very interested in listening in silence for quite a long time…as long as he’s able to make the lecture interesting. If he’s just rattling off facts and figures like he’s got a case of the Aspies, then I’m checked out. If it’s about a subject with which I am familiar, then I’ll be happy to converse with him for hours…as long as he displays a sense of humor. For me, the attraction starts there and becomes physical later (even if, as I’ve noted, he is not physically attractive by most standards of measure).

        Of course, this is only anecdotal and the plural of “anecdote” is not “data.” You may well be correct about the majority of women. I’m an LDR woman, so do feel free to take my feedback with a grain of salt the size of my ringfinger. Which, I assure you, is quite something to behold.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 6:04 pm Spiralina

        So as long as he’s jumping through enough conversational hoops to amuse you, you’re satisfied to tolerate his presence? How revolutionary.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 9:33 am Redleg

        C-C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 6:24 pm That Guy

        I like LDR girls, if and only if they are LWHR also? This I define as a QT.

        So RU a QT, that is the question?

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 9:13 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Well-played.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 9:50 am M

        can sb translate this?

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 1:01 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        He said he likes low-digit-ratio girls, but only if they also have a low waist-to-hip ratio, because he thinks that’s cute. Then he asked if I were cute. Gently mocking me for my use of acronyms with a storm of acronyms of his own, with extra points for using topically appropriate acronyms, while simultaneously challenging me to prove my worth to him by telling him whether or not he might find me attractive.
        Like I said, well-played.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 10:28 pm King A (Matthew King)

      Miss Rappaccini’s Playboy centerfold profile says:

      WHAT ARE YOUR BIGGEST TURN-ONS?
      Sense of humor, cries at movies (but not too much!!!), makes me laugh, loves his mother, sense of humor

      WHAT ARE YOUR BIGGEST TURN-OFFS?
      Mean people, cloudy days, cruelty to animals, leaving the seat up

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 11:19 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Cruelty to animals? Mean people? Darling. I am a hunter. Deer, antelope, turkeys, varmints. I don’t think I define “cruelty” the same way most women do. To me, “cruelty” is not making a perfect shot on the vitals. This, for the record, I will not do.

        And as far as cloudy days? You get better photos on cloudy days. Increases the contrast and makes colors pop.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 11:42 pm Khal Drogo

        Female hunter? That’s like a breastfeeding male.
        Yikes.

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 1:02 am King A (Matthew King)

        You Cain’t Get a Maiin with a Gunnn

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 1:08 am King A (Matthew King)

        I must be confusing you with another Rappaccini. Are you the one who’s totally shaved, or are you the one with the full bush? (Talk about varmints!)

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 9:16 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Great, King A. Now I have “Wynonna’s Big Brown Beaver” by Primus going through my head.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 9:34 am Redleg

        A woman who can quote Primus. Well my erection is gone, but let’s smoke a bowl, have a beer and watch some football, yeah?

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  30. on May 17, 2012 at 5:20 pm KK

    Someone once posted a theory how the ‘measurable male attributes’ such as height, muscularity, or in this case intelligence, hit a sweet spot somewhere above the mean but below the extremely high values. A tall guy’s height starts to work against him somewhere above the 190cm mark depending on individual female preferences and hits a tailspin at some point. The same with intelligence.

    A rough sketch for us systematically oriented men:
    mean = baseline
    +1 standard deviation = peak female interest
    +2 standard deviations = back to baseline
    +3 standard deviations = clear negative effect

    As noted earlier in the thread, the girl’s personal attributes relative to yours skew this model. A tall girl will cut you more slack (upwards) in the height department, an intelligent girl isn’t going to be put off as much by your Mensa quirks.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 6:02 pm Anon

      With PERSONAL attributes like height, build, penis, looks, intelligence, chicks dig above average personal attributes but get turned off by way above aveage attributes.

      With EXTERNAL attributes like social status or wealth, chicks prefer way above average.

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  31. on May 17, 2012 at 5:25 pm Aspie Nerd

    It’s not brainpower that matters, it’s what you do with it.
    The main use of brainpower is as a backup: you should be dismissive of your target’s intellectual pretensions, and use your brainpower only when she challenges you on your dismissive stance.
    At an advanced level, you should use your brainpower to discriminate between intellectual pretensions and real intellectual depth.
    There was a post on this blog that revealed this truth to me. I’ll link to it in a reply to this comment, if I find it.

    Needless to say, I only tried this strategy unintentionally; but when I tried it, it seemed to work.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 5:21 pm Aspie Nerd

      Here’s the link:
      https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/reader-mailbag-marriage-independence-day-edition/

      Money quote:
      “I am a philosophy student, so I held my argument fairly well, but in spite of what I said, he would be altogether dismissive without substantiating his claims. Normally, this would infuriate me, but I perceived it as a challenge, and it created an erotic situation. I slept with him on the second date.”

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  32. on May 17, 2012 at 5:42 pm Money, Muscle, Math

    lolz. as an ivy league student this is hilarious.

    loser “I’m working on blah, blah, blah…”

    winner: “you wouldn’t get it. leave me alone so I can work and we’ll fuck later”

    quadratic equations are for high school kids. multiple brownian motion finance models are for men.

    you will never beat the machine, you can only hope that you or your offspring will become part of it. sorry gbfm, but you lose

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  33. on May 17, 2012 at 5:50 pm Aspie Nerd

    “The above is not a maxim, because I find that it applies primarily to overeducated girls in the cities.”

    I’d like to point out that one of the most intelligent American girl I ever met (Ivy League B.Sc. in Engineering Physics) grew up on a farm in Michigan.

    “Less educated and less intelligent girls, who, it should be reminded, occupy the bulk of womanhood, are neither as impressed by male smarts nor as turned off by male stupidity as are their smarter sisters.”

    A stupid girl is not turned off by male stupidity … as long as the man is not more stupid than she is.

    Perhaps we can generalize:
    Women want men taller than they are, therefore short women have an advantage;
    Men want women slimmer than they are, therefore fat men have an advantage;
    Women want men richer than they are, therefore poor women have an advantage;
    Men want women younger than they are, therefore older men have an advantage;
    Women want men more intelligent than they are, therefore unintelligent women have an advantage.

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  34. on May 17, 2012 at 6:42 pm Serenety

    No No No NO NO!

    Its been said too many times here in the comments and elsewhere.

    Chicks do no fuck men. Period.

    Men fuck chicks

    Penis goes into vagina, mouth etc

    Vagina does not go into penis

    When women say they fucked a guy, what they are really saying is they got a guy to fuck them.

    Correct them on this matter or at least be irritatedly amused by this pc monstrocity

    Be the man who fucks women, not the boy who a girl fucked once

    Wome want to be taken, thats all I have ever really heard them say when it came down to brass tacks

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    • on May 20, 2012 at 7:26 pm CooingDove

      Yes. Great. Please guys stop girls saying this.

      I get fucked. My boyfriend screws me or nails me or fucks me.

      I take it in the puss and the ass. Passive.

      I do not fuck. What would I fuck WITH??

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  35. on May 17, 2012 at 7:23 pm rek

    http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/

    Be, and stay, a bad boy.

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  36. on May 17, 2012 at 8:25 pm Big Bang

    Here is what the brainiacs don’t want to admit: You are not really as smart as you think if you can’t figure out how to get laid. If you are really that brilliant you will figure out how to get the girl. It is called applied intelligence.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 9:02 pm Uradyke

      I understand what youre saying. But your logic is off. Looking around, its easy to see that higher brain power usually exists alongside weak willpower/assertiveness, in men.

      Its as if the qualities of assertiveness and intelligence are inversely proportionate.

      Seems the majority of highly intelligent men lack the nerve to implement their understanding, and act upon their knowledge. This is very true.

      Some people conceive easily and grasp ideas well, but are incapable of action. Knowledge is only power when you can align it with your will, and carry out those behaviors/tactics that bring you closer to your goal (pussy!).

      I’d be willing to bet the overwhelming issue for 95% of men is that they lack boldness, and are too timid. Developing courage to interact/escalate with women (particularly escalate) is definitely something to consciously develop, and improve with.

      When you have the know how, and you can really start acting on your knowledge….i think thats the path to being a ladykiller.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 9:25 pm Money, Muscle, Math

        I think you are correct, but are missing a small piece. It is not that these men are incapable of being assertive, the problem is they are smart enough to know there is a chance they could be wrong. This is most often the source of hesitation.

        If you piss one off enough, his response will not be any different from any other man. Ask a group their opinions on something and most of the time the more intelligent members will hesitate unless it is an area they consider themselves to be highly competent in.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 9:03 pm The Whammer

      Being able to rattle off Pi to the thousandth decimal place is not intelligence. That’s something that a machine or the retard Rainman could do. And btw, really intelligent people are not nerds or socially inept. That appears to be a stereotype in Hollywood films. In my experience socially inept men are generally rather dumb or they have some sort of mental disorder.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 10:26 pm Uradyke

        You make some pretty broad generalizations.

        “And btw, really intelligent people are not nerds or socially inept”

        A sweeping generalization. Never said intelligence implied nerdiness. There are alot of girls out there attracted to passionate nerds. It boils down to these terms “nerd” “intelligent” and what they represent.

        Being able to rattle off pi to the thousandth decimal place is a measure of intelligence, sure. Unless it is just a memorized bit of information and ALL that the guys knows….likea party trick.

        Otherwise i’d say its a function of strong intellect, which you could argue as being related to intelligence. It would imply a great capacity for storing mental information, which is the hallmark of intelligence.

        I disagree, i think its a very easily observed phenomenon that many high iq types have below avergae social skills. Theres no hard and fast rules though. Intellignet people can be just as bold and successful as less reflective, cavemen types. Its a general trend, and a common one.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:20 pm The Whammer

        i think its a very easily observed phenomenon that many high iq types have below avergae social skills.

        Only if they’re smart kids from the lower classes.Smart kids from the upper classes learn how to socialise from a young age and the boys learn how to read females and are not inept geeks.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 10:45 am HR Lincoln

        Whammer, I’m wondering if you’re a relatively young man or just one that has traveled in vastly different circles than my 55 year old entrepreneur self.

        I’ve known and done business with scores of highly intelligent men. Engineers, actuaries, scientists, CPA’s, mathematicians, etc. Few of the truly brilliant ones were what we would call good with women, as they tended to be somewhat socially awkward. I’m in agreement with KK about one SD above the mean as being the likely female preference sweet spot. And again, I have little regard for the ability of the vast majority of women in estimating relative male intelligence.

        A note on acturaries – I’ve probably known dozens of them. Really smart sonsabitches that do high level math for recreation. I still haven’t met one that didn’t have at least some degree of social awkwardness.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:22 pm The Whammer

        Whammer, I’m wondering if you’re a relatively young man

        I’m older than you and yes I’ve traveled in different circles than you.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 9:15 pm Strauss

      Yes, sometimes i wonder if i am smart because i lack social skills (lots of lonely time used to develop intelligence) or if i lack social skills because i am smart (as in i prefer my own company).

      I do have figured out what it takes to get laid (thanks to the manosphere), but, as you say, it is different to understand the theory than actually apply the techniques succesfully, especially when something so fundamental as social skills are poor (working on it though).

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  37. on May 17, 2012 at 8:51 pm The Whammer

    I can acccurately predict who is the Alpha or Beta with a simple test which I will prove here. I’ll tell you who will get laid within the next week. Do this, take out your wallet and then describe the wallet and list the contents (don’t bother to list that condom that expired in 1999) I can determine from this test how well you will do with females and whether you’re a true Alpha.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 9:01 pm Strauss

      Debit cards, metro card, identification, money.

      So, am i alpha or beta?

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 9:18 pm Strauss

        I forgot to describe the wallet: it is a regular brown leather waller. Two separations on the money part and two sections for putting up to 8 cards.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 9:06 pm That Guy

      I’m up for a test – but won’t answer first, as I’d just give the game away.

      Create a test elsewhere and post a link…

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 9:10 pm The Whammer

        I won’t comment until I have a decent number of replies.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 9:12 pm The Whammer

        And I’ll answer either yes or no as to whether you will get laid without telling you how I determined it.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 9:46 pm That Guy

      OK, here goes.

      I’ve never owned a wallet, but always know – down to the about $5 – how much money I have in my pocket at any time… usually $100 – $200

      Girls always ask me, “How come no wallet?” I usually use one of the following, depending on the situation:

      1. Don’t have enough money to own a wallet
      2. Who needs a wallet when you’ve nothing to hide in it

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 10:07 pm That Guy

        Of course a cheekier answer is:
        3. I don’t have enough room in my pocket for a wallet 😉

        Which while true, needs a little calibration in delivery

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 10:24 pm The Whammer

        If you’re pants are too tight then you’re probably gay.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 11:04 pm That Guy

        I only wear loose trousers, the joke was on pocket rocket…

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 10:09 pm The Whammer

        So that’s the complete contents of your wallet or lack of wallet? Do you drive a car? And btw, I’m not looking to see how much cash or Amex Gold cards you’re carrying.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 10:15 pm That Guy

        plus a debit, a credit card, metro card, health ins. card, a few business cards, a few scraps of paper with numbers or addresses on them, house keys that’s it.

        No car keys, I don’t drive – I prefer to use a taxi or town car to get around if I’m out late

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 10:20 pm The Whammer

        But at first you said you didn’t carry a wallet.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 10:57 pm That Guy

        I don’t – all that stuff is loose in my pockets.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 10:19 pm King A (Matthew King)

      Cool! The “cube” routine, but for guys!

      Old college ID. Flat braille rosary. Coffee shop punch card. Expired drivers license. $170. Visa/MC/Amex/bank cards. Receipts. ΦΒΚ ID. A laminated note that reminds me, “YOU MATTER.” Business cards. Gift cards. Photos of goddaughters. Blockbuster and Borders Rewards cards. Pic of George W. Bush with the inscription, “Remember when we had a real president?” Lock of hair from the last woman I loved. The scent of leather and Drakkar Noir. Applebees coupons. Stray skittles.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 10:20 pm The Whammer

        You won’t get laid. Report back in a week.

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 11:21 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Shit. Okay. I just emptied out my entire wallet. I have cleared the decks and made space for the master pussy key. Already it feels as though a great weight has been lifted.

        Was it the obsolete Borders card? I knew I should’ve chucked that after the last chick laughed at me for my bibliophilic nostalgia.

        Dude: you’re going to have to cut down your parlor-trick duration to much less than a week. Standard shtick like yours has a 24 hour putrefaction rate online. Forty eight if you’re lucky.

        Matt

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 1:40 am The Whammer

        OK I’ll explain then. Have you ever seen someone carrying around a wallet bulging with stuff? Sometimes you’ll even see a rubber band around it it’s so full of junk lol This is typical prole (beta) behaviour.They carry all of this stuff in case they have to “prove” something. You will never see an Alpha carrying around all of this crap. Alphas carry a slim wallet with perhaps some cash, a credit card and a license at most. Alphas have certain habits or traits and they’re reflected subconsciously in a lot of outward ways.An Alpha would never even think that he’d ever have to prove anything to anyone.The first guy who answered said he just carries some cash in a money clip and that would indicate Alpha behaviour to me. I wasn’t really concerned with the amount of cash.People, especially females, subconsciously equate a bulging wallet with a beta flunky and that’s not even taking into considerstion the bulge you’ll have in your chest suit pocket. Betas don’t get laid.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 1:47 am The Whammer

        Oh, and no fanny packs either 🙂 And I really hope I don’t have to tell any of you that.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 2:03 am That Guy

        Interesting, what do others think?

        BTW, the business cards in my pocket are not mine, they’re whatever I’ve been handed recently… I don’t really carry anything to identify me

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 8:17 am M

        l0l0l0l im aplha i knew this allalolng thanks. are you aware you are playing men atm? gay game literally.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 9:39 am Redleg

        This is a stretch. A wallet can be nothing but a thin moneypouch, or as useful as a toolbox. It’s how you use it. The key is using it discreetly, without fuss or hastle.

        If you have to root through it like a purse, it’s too much. I organize my wallet, pocket by pocket so that it’s quick, no matter how big or small.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:40 am Greg Eliot

        OK I’ll explain then. Have you ever seen someone carrying around a wallet bulging with stuff? Sometimes you’ll even see a rubber band around it it’s so full of junk lol

        Only on Seinfeld.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 6:59 pm King A (Matthew King)

        The Whammer wrote:

        Oh, and no fanny packs either 🙂 And I really hope I don’t have to tell any of you that.

        Fanny packs mean CCW to me. (Look up “CCW,” metro moppet.)

        Maybe I’ll comment on the inanity of your parlor trick over at Rollo’s place later, where he puts it in some context. Suffice it to say, don’t try to shtick a shtickster. We aren’t freshmen girls just dropped off by their daddies here.

        Matt

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 12:37 pm geo

        Prole = Proletariat as in working class / lower socioeconomic status?
        There are plenty of working class alphas.
        Or does Prole have another meaning

        My wallet contents: Triple A card, 4 of my own business cards, health insurance card, credit card, ATM card, corporate credit card, driver’s license and around $30. It’s still pretty thin but I suppose I am ready for most any situation.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 10:25 am The Whammer

        Youmay have a key but I doubt it’s unlocking any pussy lol

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 10:30 am GeishaKate

        Awe. I think he’s sweet. You guys forget that matters too. And, by the way, Whammer, thanks for this display; it was VERY instructive. But why the F do you guys have all your posting fun after nine o’clock? That’s my bedtime!

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 12:01 am King A (Matthew King)

        But why the F do you guys have all your posting fun after nine o’clock?

        What time zone are you in?

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 2:02 pm GeishaKate

        Eastern. You?

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      • on May 21, 2012 at 2:19 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Various, depending on the occasion.

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      • on May 21, 2012 at 2:21 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Awe. I think he’s sweet.

        “Awe” is the correct word for it, if unintentionally applied.

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      • on May 21, 2012 at 2:26 pm GeishaKate

        I know how much you enjoy dressing people down, so I left you a mint on the pillow:)

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 11:29 pm lazy guy

        No wallet for me either. For one thing,having that lump in my back pocket spoils women’s view of the shape of my butt (something which matters to them, they tell me). Also it would be uncomfortable (and I read somewhere, bad for your back or something like that). A wallet is unneccessary.

        Instead i have some cash, credit cards, driver’s license, health insurance card, AAA card, and 3 business cards, all held together with a rubber band, carried in my left forward pocket.

        Okay Whammer, your comments?

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 1:18 am The Whammer

        You and the ther guy say yu have no wallet but bviously you’re carrying around stuff. OKI meant a wallet or something you use to carry stuff if that wasn’t clear.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 9:16 am lazy guy

        Yup, I’m using my pants pockets to carry stuff … and?
        Your response tells me nothing about what my habits say to you regarding your predictions of a man’s probabilities to do well w/women.
        C’mon dude, you got us curious about your mysterious evaluation method.
        So ?

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 10:07 am The Whammer

        Rubber band? You’re out!!!

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 8:45 pm lazy guy

        boo hoo hoo … actually, what I’d like to know is, what is your method or reasoning for your wallet evaluation idea … what is ‘good’ or ‘bad’, and why?
        Maybe you already posted it below. I’m just checking in quickly each time (busy day)

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 11:42 pm Greg Eliot

        I pictured Rene Zellweger telling you to shut up, and how you had her at “YOU MATTER”.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 8:56 am Stingray

        Thank God I finished my coffee. I would have ruined my computer.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 11:30 pm Khal Drogo

      I got no wallet.

      I walk around with my cell phone, credit card, drivers license, cash and keys.
      No condoms.

      I know for a fact I’m getting laid this week, better adjust your predictions.

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 11:34 pm Greg Eliot

      Okay, I’ll play:

      Driver’s license, $280 (all twenties), Visa card, Discover card, license to carry firearms from three states, spare car door key, health insurance card, grocery store discount/gas card.

      The wallet itself is a tan leather bi-fold, and a bit worn (some would argue it should be replaced soon).

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 1:16 am The Whammer

        Any other junk in it? Is that all?

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 8:52 am Greg Eliot

        That’s it… a spartan existence, by today’s standards?

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 11:58 pm Student

      koa money clip containing: drivers ID, professional ID card, ~4 business cards.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 12:18 am Rick Derris

      OK, I will play.

      I have a black Louis Vitton wallet that a chick bought for me at the Forum shops at Caesars Palace in Vegas. Has a few $20s. Attorney license card, D-license, pistol permit, 3 personal CCs, 1 business CC. A little piece of paper with quotes from Genghis Khan, Conan The Barbarian, and Xenophon hidden behind everything.

      If I don’t like your answer I will call the purchaser and tell her.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 1:15 am The Whammer

        It’s not the wallet but whati t says about you.

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 1:33 pm Student

        dude you are qualifying yourself like a MFer. its like mystery’s not-so subtle embedded stories from the early PUA days: “so im in a maserati that my stripper gf had on loan from a model shoot and we are driving down the highway and she just tells me to pull over and gives me a bj…”

        and who cares whether you like the judgments of others or not. a man should never live by the acceptance of the mainstream. you rock your style because its you. if you’re a pistol packin lawyer who spends weekends in vegas, then great! but if you do all that just to fit in or compensate, then youve got a ways to go. patrick bateman is a great EG of this. (great flick btw on the topic of alpha tells or lack thereof)

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      • on May 25, 2012 at 11:03 am Rick Derris

        um – I was honestly answering his question and describing what was in the wallet 🙂

        I usually say I have a sugar mama to pay the bills when asked about my job and I never discuss firearms around women.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 12:35 am AnonH

      Brown embossed leather card case. 2 credit cards, driver’s license, concealed carry license, 2 subway passes, 2 gift cards, 3 bandaids, $514 (mainly C-notes), rubberband.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 1:13 am The Whammer

        Definately no! Tell me in a week if I’m right.

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      • on May 22, 2012 at 3:20 pm AnonH

        Of course I got laid over the weekend.

        I figured a few items in my list were dead giveaways: a concealed carry firearms license, for a frequent traveler to 2 liberal cities with subway systems, is behavior that is quite outside the norm.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 2:26 am LR

      Military ID, driver’s license, mastercard, amex card, 24 dinars.
      Wallet is small, thin, dark brown leather, italian

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 4:16 am Billu

      Ok nice test, lets see

      I don’t keep wallet unless in very hot environment for long where sweat can ruin papers.

      In my pockets I Have:
      A pocket diary (to list things as I’m gonna sit in front of computer for finding things)
      My driving license
      90 rupees (far more than I require, which is 0, I don’t have any money, me student. The amount would be average of what a student would keep here)
      Pen Drive
      Pen

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 5:37 am Special K

      Sure. I’m in.

      Credit card.
      4 gift cards to local coffee shops (If it matters, this is a Seattle thing. I’m given several of these per week).
      Driver’s Liscence
      Medical insurance card
      Drivers insurance card.
      Concealed carry permit
      $20 (ish) in cash.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 10:02 am The Whammer

        If you had game you wouldn’t need the coffee cards. The hot coffee server girl would give it to you free 🙂

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 7:46 am C

      i don’t carry a wallet. but i have around 20$, a big piece of high quality hash and a burberry handkerchief in my jeans’ pockets right now.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 8:08 am Prince2

      my wallet: credit card, driving licence, 2 fresh condoms

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 10:44 am Fingerbanger

      A. B. Dada carries a Beretta in his man-purse. Will he get laid this week?

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 4:30 am Whammer

        Yes but the female will look like Lotte Lenya

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 11:49 am Kyo

      * Paper money worth about $60.
      * Three business cards.
      * Train pass
      * Health insurance card

      Coins and keys in the opposite pocket. Nothing more; I ride a bicycle everywhere and don’t really like having something bulging out of my pocket.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 12:04 pm itsme

      i carry a money clip with some cash, an atm card, and a metrocard.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 1:20 pm KillerQ

      License, Debit card, Credit Card, Cash < 200, Military ID. That's it.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 4:53 pm JVH

      After reading this, I looked at my wallet and though about playing.
      Then I decided that I really don’t care what anyone thinks about me or my wallet.

      BTW. Tue & Wed. Plans for tonight.

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 4:31 am Whammer

        Let us how you make out Chief.

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      • on May 21, 2012 at 10:05 am JVH

        Exactly as planned…grin.

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    • on May 21, 2012 at 9:04 am Doc

      Wallet is maybe 3×5 size, black, with two compartments – one clear for my DL, health insurance, and 5 business cards, the other compartment has a credit card. There is a money clip on the side with the credit card with emergency cash: 1 (100), 2 (50’s), and 1 (20 on the outside to conceal the other bills). They have been in the money clip for probably the last six months – every now and then it proves useful to have cash.

      I have a separate money clip in my pocket with smaller bills.

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  38. on May 17, 2012 at 9:39 pm gunslingergregi

    “cough” its a setup lol
    like when they ask those questions that either way your wrong

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 10:09 pm The Whammer

      No

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  39. on May 17, 2012 at 9:42 pm Bastrop

    Heartiste wrote: “Less educated and less intelligent girls, who, it should be reminded, occupy the bulk of womanhood, are neither as impressed by male smarts nor as turned off by male stupidity as are their smarter sisters.”
    Agreed, but I don’t think it’s their lack of ability to discern the IQ of the guy so much as it is that within their cultural/social circles, ‘book smarts’ is not as highly valued as among the college educated, especially at the higher iq/accomplishment levels. Other alpha signals take precedence.

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  40. on May 17, 2012 at 9:45 pm bryan

    “no man ever incited tingles in a girl by solving quadratic equations or philosophizing deeply about deep stuff.”

    I don’t think this is true at all. I suspect Einstein got (or could have) more ass than he deserved based on looks and attitude alone.

    I think men who acquire status because of brains are just as potentially alpha as those who acquire status by other means?

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 12:12 am Dan

      Einstein got quite a bit of tail. So did Feynman apparently.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 9:03 am Greg Eliot

        Maybe later in life… but I have it on good authority that, on the night of his prom, his date warned him not to get any “big ideas”.

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  41. on May 17, 2012 at 9:49 pm me@excite.com

    be better than every woman in every way.

    It’s really very easy to explain. It doesn’t matter if you know more than everyone else. You only need to know more than her.

    HOWEVER you will look like a loser if you’re defeated verbally by someone more intelligent who defeats you in a way that exposes how inferior you are intellectually which will lower your value in your eyes because you lost at something.

    So you should know everything and be great at everything. It really isn’t as difficult as it sounds.

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  42. on May 17, 2012 at 9:53 pm King A (Matthew King)

    No man ever incited tingles in a girl by … philosophizing deeply about deep stuff.

    Speak for yourself. It’s my finishing move. They turn to quivering mush. It’s like a mind ray. I wish more men had experience with it because I know it sounds improbable. All I can say is, you haven’t lived until you’ve seen a woman unblinking and in awe, rapt with your every word like it’s her lifeline. “No one has ever talked to me like that before…” etc.

    Obviously, you have to warm them up first; a woman’s brain in social mode is like an automobile before the dawn of a subzero morning. And much more obviously, it depends on the audience: Never put styrofoam in a microwave. You neg and you tease, you prod the elasticity of her nous … how much can it handle?

    You know how chicks are attracted to bullshit mysticism like palm-reading and astrology? It’s all the better when it’s not bullshit. If women didn’t respond to bathos there would be no soap operas or romance novels. True enough — most of them can’t distinguish between true depth and illusion, so illusion is a solid substitute. But, like with anything else, it’s hard to maintain pretenses when you’re making it up as you go. It’s easier to leave tantalizing hints of what beguiling (and scary) layers of mystery are yet to be explored by Little Kitty Curious.

    The twist, if you want to call it that, of the film Blue Car dramatizes what I mean. She is smitten with her teacher, fucks him, and then finds out his poetry journal is a bunch of doodles and doggerel. She falls apart when she discovers there was never any there there. Game over. Her romantic liberation becomes so much statutory rape. Mimicry is fine if that’s the best you can do. Substance is better, if you got it.

    A familiarity with “deep stuff” is just another form of mastery. One’s ability to hold forth competently about concepts above her pay grade while relating it to her on her level is just another form of command. METAPHYSICAL GAME, bitches.

    You pikers are just after bodies. I want their souls too.

    Matt

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    • on May 17, 2012 at 10:29 pm That Guy

      @kinga,

      That’s all well and good post coitus, when you can later claim you were delirious, but if a chick is saying, “No one has ever talked to me like that before…” then you seem to be doing most of the talking, right?

      You want to be in the position of the Master and she the Marionette, not the other way around. It is she who should be dancing for you, and trying to gain your approval and admiration, and you the judge and jury on her effort – capiche?

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      • on May 17, 2012 at 11:38 pm King A (Matthew King)

        No, I don’t do most of the talking, except when inclined to. Mind reading is a finishing move, not an opening line. I don’t do it to impress her, I do it to first evaluate and then control her. It’s not a gambit or a ploy or the street magic of your imagination. It is an instrument, and it is magnetic.

        You lack a frame of reference. Which means my experience is of little general utility, as I mentioned above. I brought it up only to qualify Heartiste’s false “no man…”

        Matt

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 8:47 am Stingray

        When a man talks like King A is describing he is the Master through and through. Sure he does most of the talking, and in doing so he ties all the needed strings and then moves her which ever way he wishes. She will try to gain his approval and admiration by trying to take part in the conversation and display some of her knowledge. Then you display dominance by firmly (yet, not brutally) correcting her when she is wrong and then praising her and telling her how impressed you are by her knowledge on occasion.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:53 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Got that? Not just “master” but italicized and capital-M Master.

        Mattster

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:56 pm King A (Matthew King)

        ^ The soundtrack that goes with that last post ^

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 8:23 am M

      about mysticism game, go to glp and learn it there. hiromancy, magic tricks all very useful. playing messiah savior jesus whatever. divination, zodiac, occultism. this kind of shit works on evrybody, just like Whammer domnstated.
      2 long cant read: GAME is literally all about games gaming playing with toying with

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 9:02 am GeishaKate

      One of my favorite things is when you are so into what someone is saying and you are so focused in on each other that the outside world totally disappears.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 11:37 am Greg Eliot

      You pikers are just after bodies. I want their souls too.

      What exactly are these “women’s souls” of which you speak?

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 5:27 pm The Whammer

        Pussy lol

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    • on May 21, 2012 at 2:15 pm King A (Matthew King)

      Don’t underestimate the thrill of dressing down a girl in front of other people, either. It’s a skill of rhetoric, not “smarts,” but a superior intelligence is a requirement. (Albeit, this is not a high hurdle when we’re talking about the average man compared to the average woman, which makes it a technique a typical man might employ.)

      You humiliate a woman, put her in her intellectual place, even make her cry. It’s like tearing off her clothes in public and exposing her innermost secrets. It applies especially to uppity women who are intoxicated on the modern lie of their officially equal status, knowing in their hearts (privately terrified) that it’s just a matter of time a man will put them in their place. They hate it but they are awed by it. “Limbic” attraction.

      Obviously much can go wrong if you aren’t used to doing this. Dangerous territory if you are overly aggressive — the conflict becomes more about you and the display of your insecurities more than her not so obvious inadequacies, and it blows up in your face. I became used to the technique accidentally during my school days. There was nothing mean about dressing down a hot stuck-up snot, just factual, though she would take it personally and attempt to respond on an emotional level, which would make her humiliation total. They never forget the experience, even years later.

      I wish I could have recognized those signs of attraction for what they were better as a kid. Wasted opportunities. We have a duty to train young men how to spot the signals.

      Matt

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  43. on May 17, 2012 at 9:56 pm gunslingergregi

    so ya quit raping goats huh?

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  44. on May 17, 2012 at 9:59 pm gunslingergregi

    look at kinga go he he he

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  45. on May 17, 2012 at 10:12 pm gunslingergregi

    watching that guy is like watching a train wreck

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  46. on May 17, 2012 at 10:38 pm colombian guy

    looking back at all my pick up endeavors, i realize that my 143 iq, is some kind of a handicap. as someone said it here before, i was probably using that, thinking i deserved a hot babe just because i understand 4 languages and have a handful of diplomas. wrong!!!

    what has worked for me lately.

    1. first meeting , convey the fact that you are a cocky but funny 100 iq guy,.

    2. taylor your interactions depending on her situation (dumb, smart, uneducated..e.t.c)

    3. if she is dumb, …dont lecture her, just play along, but structure your comunication in a way that she thinks someday youll get smart.

    4. is she smart?, let her know ypou are too , but one thing at a time in a long period.
    e.g.: first or second date, they know i am an architect.

    second or third date : they have goen to my house, so they see my lybrary and my small music studio so they probably migh wonder if i play guitar or piano, which i do… if they dont ask, i dont say anything.

    never claim anyhthing with words, let your actions speak about your talents.

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  47. on May 17, 2012 at 11:06 pm gunslingergregi

    yea my dad like 143 or 145 iq or some shit like that but yea he hasn’t gotten laid in like 15 years cause he is still remaining faithful to a woman that divorced him and something about the church or some shit.
    Smart enough to fuck himself over lol
    i keep trying to get him some companionship to no avail but i think maybe getting closer. He just using that shit as a crutch though. He is like are you my son lol
    I must not be i like getting ho’s lol

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  48. on May 17, 2012 at 11:13 pm Anonymous

    The only true genius I’ve ever seen in my life has been GB4M….lololololzzzololozzz

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 8:28 am M

      he just read shakespear bible and can parpapgrase them in retdarede (retardedr is a language used in gaming easy to learn hard to master hes rly good at it)

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 8:29 am M

        yeah and mises and rpohtpbard too who heard about hem? whi did>? ha?

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 8:51 am M

        gbfmtalk is wordplay infused stream of cocksiousness, the rules following never backspace never backpedal if u enjoy his work l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l go there http://www.reddit.com/r/nocontext/

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:12 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozozlzloz herarruststes shkeepare msisiesns rtehbabrdz zlzlzlzozlzzoz

        lzozozo

        i am working on d gbfm economics nobel prize

        THE LAW OF COMPOUNDING BUTTTHEXT (AKA POUNDING BUTTHEXT) zzozpoozozz0

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 6:20 am Mr. Pointyface

        LIke a bilbroad that never changes tho; butthex, fed, bernanks, fiat money, alpha bux betacox repeat….reapeat…. repeat….reapeat…. repeat….reapeat…. repeat….reapeat…. repeat….reapeat…. repeat….reapeat…. repeat….reapeat…. repeat….reapeat….

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 11:02 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        mr. pointyface lzozoozl is da point on your face from a pencil dick nose? lzozlzozo den we can call you dichead lzozolzozozozo dickhead lzozozoo

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  49. on May 17, 2012 at 11:15 pm gunslingergregi

    i am surrounded by really smart people who are dumb

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  50. on May 17, 2012 at 11:26 pm gunslingergregi

    fuck i’m bored dam

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  51. on May 17, 2012 at 11:52 pm Fearless

    Law 21: Play A Sucker To Catch A Sucker.
    No one likes feeling stupider than the next person. The trick, then, is to make your victims feel smart- and not just smart, but smarter than you.
    -Works in war and seduction both gents.

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  52. on May 18, 2012 at 12:03 am YaReally

    8=====D~~~~

    Adding a jizzing ASCII penis to go with all the mental masturbation in this thread.

    Hey guys! You better get a car to get girls. This one time I overheard a girl ask a guy what he drives and he said he didn’t drive and her gina dried right up! So obviously you need a car. But not too nice a car because then some girls are intimidated by it. Keep living your life in reaction because girls want you to conform to what you think they want instead of being authentic.

    In that last paragraph, replace “having a car” with having money, a six-pack, a job, intelligence, height, hair, a deep voice, knowledge of Glee, etc.

    It’s just that everyone on the Internet is a super genius IQ brain ninja so while most of you know by now to ignore this argument when it’s about six-packs, now that it strikes closer to home you throw the exact same proper logic out the window.

    There’s two ways to view using words that are too big for the girl to understand:

    1) You’re weird for not trying to dumb down your big words to better communicate with her.

    Or:

    2) She’s weird for not understanding your big words to better communicate with you.

    and two ways for if she uses big words:

    1) You’re dumb for not understanding her words.

    2) She’s dumb for using big words that no one understands.

    In both those scenarios which option do you think is the one running through an alpha male’s mind? Hint: it’s option 2.

    So what pickup concept does this bring us back to? Where the perception of the events occurring in front of you is determined by the person with the strongest…….?

    Hint: F____ C______?

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 12:57 am That Guy

      Fuck Close!

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 2:20 am Special K

      Thought experiment here. Suppose you’re an avid fan of Magic The Gathering.

      You meet a cute girl at a coffee shop. You happen to notice that she’s reading Lawhead’s “Song of Albion” trilogy. When questioned, she says she loves it. Now that you know she’s into high-brow celtic fantasy, do you invite her to your place for a game of Magic?

      FUCK NO! There’s a social stigma attached to magic players, and you don’t want to be voluntarily painting yourself with that brush.

      Works the same way for brains. Smart but socially inept is an engrained concept. The way around it is to first prove the socially inept part to be false, THEN to reveal the brains. By then, it’s too late for you to fall into the sterotype.

      The car analogy is really good though. It’d be entirely accurate if it weren’t for the need to avoid being sterotyped as “unfuckable” right off the bat.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 1:33 pm YaReally

        “Thought experiment here.”

        Shoot.

        “Suppose you’re an avid fan of Magic The Gathering.”

        lol I played it when I was younger.

        “Now that you know she’s into high-brow celtic fantasy, do you invite her to your place for a game of Magic?”

        …are you kidding? No, because liking a genre of something isn’t the same as wanting to play a card game of it, wtf. “Hey, I see you like the color blue!! Do you want to paint my apartment blue???”

        “There’s a social stigma attached to magic players”

        Don’t make your identity “guy who plays magic”. You’d be surprised how many girls are mindblown when they find out I’m a computer nerd. “REALLY?? You don’t seem like it at ALL…” I used to tell them to guess what job I do just to see what vibe I was putting off and I’d get shit like Fireman or Bartender lol

        Why? Because my identity is “cool social guy who happens to like computers” not “computer nerd”.

        “and you don’t want to be voluntarily painting yourself with that brush.”

        Pretty sure I can make “We should play Magic together. I’ll show you my craw worm and tap your mana. ;)” work.

        Don’t be ashamed of your shit. If you’re a high value guy and you think something is cool, she will too, because she wants to like what you like. That’s why douchey jock guys can be like “Naw man, ultimate frisbee is badass!!” and have girls digging it.

        And even if she hates whatever it is that you think is cool, what happens is she categorizes you as separate from “those other guys”. So she labels you a magic player “but not like those nerdy ones” the same way she labels me “a computer guy, but he’s not nerdy like those Warcraft guys” and the same way she labels an asshole “he’s a jerk, but not like those MEAN jerks”.

        You’re letting society dictate how you should feel about yourself. When you approach with the attitude of “I look to external sources to determine my worth”, then ya, she labels you the same way she’d label any other Magic player.

        “Works the same way for brains.”

        You’re making conclusions based on your own biases instead of actual abundant experience.

        Here’s one of the oldest PUA routines from pre-The Game days:

        HB: What do you do?
        PUA: I work at Taco Bell. Usually I’m just chopping lettuce at the back, but I
        just got awarded Employee of the Month, so now I get to wear a special hat and I work out the front where everyone can see me!

        Why does that not make the girl label him as a Taco Bell employed loser and make her run away? Because he’s not ashamed of it and he has the frame that what he’s doing is awesome. I mean, he gets a special HAT!!

        “Smart but socially inept is an engrained concept.”

        Limiting belief. I’ve seen short guys get laid by tall girls who hate short guys. I’ve been the poor guy getting laid by girls who only like rich men. I’ve seen good-looking guys land intelligent girls who assumed they’d be dumb. etc. etc. You need to go out and train more.

        “The way around it is to first prove the socially inept part to be false, THEN to reveal the brains.”

        Nah, you don’t have to do that. Watch videos with Russell Brand. He doesn’t even try to dumb himself down, from the word Go he’s doing a highly intelligent verbal dance that barely anyone can keep up with. And yet he gets girls. Why? Because he thinks what he does is cool.

        “By then, it’s too late for you to fall into the sterotype.”

        You are living in fear and reaction, letting external things define who you are as a person.

        “It’d be entirely accurate if it weren’t for the need to avoid being sterotyped as “unfuckable” right off the bat.”

        Intelligent guys who get labelled unfuckable are guys who have other shit wrong with them. Usually it’s stuff that’s in this 25 points list:

        http://www.rsdnation.com/node/60062

        They’re dressed shitty (shows a lack of social awareness), have awkward body language (posture, fidgeting, hands in pockets, etc.), unsure of themselves (think too much and second-guess themselves and seek approval from people of what they’re saying), don’t project their voice properly (since they’re usually introverts who are scared to take up anyone’s space or impose themselves on anyone), don’t touch girls properly (since they have little experience with women or going out to socialize), etc. etc.

        It has nothing to do with their intelligence.

        …but then, it’s a lot easier for a guy to hide behind a bullshit limiting belief as an excuse rather than admit that he sucks ass at a dozen other categories of social interaction and that he’s too fucking lazy to work on them. This is the same as the stereotypical ghetto black dude sitting on a couch watching TV all day saying “I can’t get a job man…it’s cuz I’m black”.

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 1:50 pm Student

        “And yet he gets girls. Why?”

        because hes famous.

        I’ve hung out with big name celebrities. there is often a big discrepancy between how they act on camera (anytime they know a camera is on them) and how they are in real life. esp actors (although there are the occasional exceptions that are straight up typecast based on their real personality). that’s why these guys have teams of PR and image ppl. and that’s also why its fallacious to assume that what you see is what you get.

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      • on May 23, 2012 at 1:16 am YaReally

        “because hes famous.”

        He was getting laid long before he was famous.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 2:16 pm M

        wemen dont like intelectual pursuits i play magic very well i learned a lot from it where womynz learn form dunno…. wemen who actually like mtg you wouldnt likethem thats how it works bro. i wouldnt eben mention it. heard about that finkel onliunedating fiasco? she tried to eat him alive, and got raped by angry internet denizen l0l0l0l funny sotry
        2 long cant read play magic with men play game with women

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 2:19 pm M

        basically the sotry goes as follows :hes a mtg legend and beta and she googled him after/before date and thought him lesser than her l0l0l0l what a cunt

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:30 pm The Whammer

        Now that you know she’s into high-brow celtic fantasy, do you invite her to your place for a game of Magic?

        No, I invite her over to drink some Bushmill’s 18yo

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      • on May 22, 2012 at 5:40 pm That Guy

        @Whammy,

        You do know that Bushmills is Scots-Irish, for most people that wouldn’t qualify as being authentically “Celtic” – as Scotland is just the poor man’s Ireland.

        Also, depending on who your company is, serving Bushmills vs Jameson could land you in a world of trouble…

        That said Bushmill’s 1607 is mighty fine!

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  53. on May 18, 2012 at 12:04 am Zappa

    My theory is that a man with a genius level IQ or above who is very sociable and able to relate to the average person would be very attractive to women. This kind of person also probably doesn’t exist or is extremely rare. I’ve heard that people have difficulty relating to others that are +or- 30 IQ points from themselves, and based on the people I’ve met in my lifetime, it sounds accurate.

    My hypothesis is that if you are an extremely smart person who could display your intellectual dominance in a way that is neither creepy or weird (the hard part) and also talk to a girl in a way that would make her in awe of your smarts rather than embarrassed of her mental inadequacies, it would probably kill with women.

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  54. on May 18, 2012 at 12:47 am gunslingergregi

    i just had two different ho’s blow me and i didn’t cum oh well wasn’t the first time won’t be the last.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 1:04 am That Guy

      Well it’s your money, so I guess easy cum easy go!

      But you know what, I’m very open minded about sex, and would do most things with a girl/girls, however receiving a blow-job is something I don’t enjoy that much, the reason being is that it’s too passive. I like to take command of the action, not be a passive recipient…

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 9:08 am Greg Eliot

      You don’t avoid the company of women… but you do deny them your essence.

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  55. on May 18, 2012 at 1:46 am gunslingergregi

    meh
    i only fuck chicks that are special

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  56. on May 18, 2012 at 7:54 am what

    There is “street smarts” and ” book smarts”. One without the other is NOT good. A mixture of both is the best. I’d rather a little bit more book smarts. I enjoy a good discussion! hehe!!

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    • on May 19, 2012 at 7:05 am gunslingergregi

      wait what still alive no way

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      • on May 23, 2012 at 7:25 am what

        of course!!

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      • on May 23, 2012 at 8:19 am gunslingergregi

        hows the boyfriend thing going you married with kids yet
        you know you are never gonna find me out there he he he

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  57. on May 18, 2012 at 8:56 am Walter Mitty

    I only clicked this link to see if A.B. Dada managed to post first again, with yet another amazing revelation about his incredible life. All of which I believe.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 9:59 am The Whammer

      Yes, I’m also quite astonished at the number of rocket scientists and geniuses on here 🙂

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 3:53 pm B.C. Mama

      Don’t read this blog as much as I used to and A.B. Dada is one of the reasons. Though from what I’ve seen in a couple other posts it looks like Dada is pretty much recognised as being full of shit.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 6:21 pm Fearless

        ^^Great handle, I chuckled.

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  58. on May 18, 2012 at 9:42 am Rollo Tomassi

    “I think smart guys are sexy.”

    – Mating call of the post-Wall woman.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 10:24 am GeishaKate

      Then how do you explain my high school crush on the valedictorian?

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 10:54 am Money, Muscle, Math

        Was he also an athlete? You can be both.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:34 am GeishaKate

        Yes, he was. And also gay, apparently. Talk about confusing.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:45 am Greg Eliot

        A gay athlete valedictorian… what is this, the storyboarding room for the writers of Glee?

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 12:57 pm Money, Muscle, Math

        So let’s put this all together:

        smart? check
        athlete? check
        too busy to put time or thought into you? check

        Being gay just made him more indifferent toward you.

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 11:29 pm The Whammer

        SoI take it then that you didn’t get the old in-out in-out on prom night.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 10:58 am Rollo Tomassi

        Some women hit the wall earlier than others.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:10 am GeishaKate

        lol- Maybe when you reach a wall you need to find a different way out of the maze 🙂

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:22 am Rollo Tomassi

        Or maybe women have an innate (though too often ignored) understanding of where they measure comparatively in the SMP, and then cognitively adjust their preferences according to their capacity to attract a comparative match.

        Attraction isn’t a choice, but preferences are developed.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:32 am GeishaKate

        That could be read as a compliment or an insult. YOU MUST BE SMART! 🙂

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:34 am Rollo Tomassi

        I run rings around you logically.

        Heheh,..

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:37 am GeishaKate

        Well, call me Jupiter and send me to orbit. My hamster is now riding a tricycle.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:42 am Greg Eliot

        I’ll call you Juno and discover a new moon.

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 9:01 pm corvinus

        Not Juno/Hera, unless you’re trying to call her a jealous, vindictive beotch 😮

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      • on May 20, 2012 at 5:03 pm Greg Eliot

        Hera/Zeus…. Juno/Jupiter… gotta keep them Greek and Roman references straight, mate.

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  59. on May 18, 2012 at 9:43 am Doc

    I learned a long time ago, when in grad-school, to never tell a woman that I was working on a PhD in Physics – it made them feel stupid, and their perception of Physics as the hardest of disciplines made it a problem. I could see the interest turn off. I learned quickly to just say Engineering – it wasn’t as intimidating. But I would move to other subjects quickly. Of course, these days when people ask what I do, I use the old common line, “I could tell you but then the men in black might show up.” If they press, I’ll tell them I’m a “Beltway Bandit” and that I do – “Whatever people will pay outrageous rates for my company to do.” I always answer the question, but having grown up in a blue-collar family I learned all of the common things – rebuilding a car, plumbing, electrical wiring, you name it. Of course, when it comes to the things women talk about – shows, etc, I know enough to use it to my advantage but it doesn’t interest me.

    But really, if she’s talking I can think of a lot better things she could be doing with her mouth, and I want to direct things along those lines. So I may drop that sometimes I will be in some third-world hell-hole, for a week, and the next day at an embassy in Paris. But generally, if we have to “talk”I want to learn about her – that is her favorite subject and I want to learn things about her. That gives her a way to avoid the “I’m a slut” thought process in the morning, since she can justify ending up in my bed due to “the connection we have”.

    Of course, having women who know me warn them, “He’s a smooth talking dog. so you have to watch out for him,” while laughing just makes me more of a challenge – having attractive women with you is always a plus since every women competes with other women, and it puts them at ease since you’re obviously not a threat. So you want to appear intelligent, but not so much so as to intimidate her or make her feel that telling you she’s an “actress” counts against her. The key is you want to build comfort for her – so anything that stands in the way of that rapport needs to be avoided.

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  60. on May 18, 2012 at 10:57 am AlphaBeta

    Too much intelligence is like too much muscle. You should simply be above average, not laughing at Gauss’s peaks from a distance.

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    • on May 19, 2012 at 11:27 pm The Whammer

      I don’t think that anyone on here has the problem of having too much muscles or brains 🙂

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  61. on May 18, 2012 at 11:33 am Greg Eliot

    I think smart women with big tits and blonde (or red) hair are sexy.

    Dumb ones too.

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  62. on May 18, 2012 at 11:58 am Orion

    I think that men with in a couple of standard deviations above normal IQ have an advantage in being better able to fit their words to their audience. Farther along the high end, the more effort involved in dumbing down because the gap is wider. I’ve been complemented a couple of times by average or slightly above average IQ women for being “subtle” (accompanied by big smiles because they caught it and were pleased with themselves) when I didn’t put quite as much effort in “translating down” a turn of phrase. On the other hand, it is a card to definitely NOT play very often because if they don’t catch on they get irritated.

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  63. on May 18, 2012 at 12:20 pm The New Sensitivity «

    […] profuse apologies for shamelessly lifting this thread from CH’s most recent post comments, but it dovetailed perfectly into my topic […]

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  64. on May 18, 2012 at 1:05 pm KC

    Yup, girls hate nerds. No girl is interested in actually discussing the finer points of the triple entente or GBritain’s foreign policy with respect to the continent. As a recovering nerd, some of my good friends told me to drop heavy topics while conversing with women. Sane and good advice.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 1:53 pm askjoe

      IMO, girls like passion. Being able to talk about anything is good. But there’s the thing known as building comfort and attraction, which your passion may build, not your knowledge of bullshit. After awhile, if a girl knows you can solve any problem, take care of things, then that may be sexy. Otherwise, IQ is the tool you use to attain higher SMV.

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  65. on May 18, 2012 at 1:48 pm askjoe

    FWIW, even with hot smart chicks liked my high IQ (enter in whatever the current brag number is, as Yareally’s joke about us all beinng super genius IQ brain ninjas) but that was just one aspect. Other social skills were still required. As it was put to me, there are smarter guys out there, there are better looking guys out there, there are smoother guys out there, but finding a guy who combines the three is hard to find. So, being smart can be at best a check mark (one of these hawt high IQ chicks ended up with a chronic smoking slacker because you can’t trust what a bitch says she likes) on the hamster’s list.

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  66. on May 18, 2012 at 1:58 pm JVH

    After reading this, I looked at my wallet and though about playing.
    Then I decided that I really don’t care what anyone thinks about me or my wallet.

    BTW. Tue & Wed. Plans for tonight.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 11:39 pm The Whammer

      The best-laid schemes of mice and men gang aft agley

      report back and we’ll analyse that wallet 🙂

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 2:11 pm GeishaKate

        ooooh! Burn(s)!

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  67. on May 18, 2012 at 2:10 pm askjoe

    Oh yeah, and this is why so many suckers go to law school, so they can brag about how smart they are and give a little hint hint about how much money they make. Not so smart now, are you with $150K in student loans?

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 11:40 pm The Whammer

      It doesn’t matter if you’re making $300k a year.

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  68. on May 18, 2012 at 2:23 pm Shawn

    A man can be much much smarter than a woman, but he has to know how to not act nerdy around her; for a lot of guys this takes practice. This way he won’t come across as Screech Powers

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  69. on May 18, 2012 at 2:29 pm VD

    My hypothesis is that if you are an extremely smart person who could display your intellectual dominance in a way that is neither creepy or weird (the hard part) and also talk to a girl in a way that would make her in awe of your smarts rather than embarrassed of her mental inadequacies, it would probably kill with women.

    This is correct. The trick is to never, ever, talk about your intellectual interests with women. They love hearing you talk about the night life in Tokyo or stories about how your band got signed to a record label, they never, ever want to hear your thoughts on Thomas Aquinas or the strategy you’re thinking of using in your ongoing game of ASL: Red Barricades.

    Intelligence can be a formidable DHV. But it is a two-edged sword where women are concerned.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 3:35 pm anon

      intellectual dominance in a way that is neither creepy or weird. Was just sitting in a restaurant behind a kid who was trying to do so, it was just terrible. You know the nerdy type, long hair, totally rejects your corporate outlook on life, has weird theories on stupid things, and totally talks in a tres droll manner that is suggesting like he’s in on an inside joke (the vision in my head is Ace Ventura’s computer nerd friend). If that’s your idea of smarts and how you use them, then you’re just announcing a rejection of social conventions that most women would rather not reject…i.e., you’re weird.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:44 pm The Whammer

        I always get the impression with these types that it is actually they who are the rejects and it’s all sour grapes.

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  70. on May 18, 2012 at 2:29 pm PDX

    I’d love to see CH tackle the appeal of nerds that so many of the “cool chicks” profess these days. Feminist egalitarianism projected back onto men?

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 2:39 pm SFG

      $. The computer industry made a lot of geeks rich. Then the artsy types started pretending to be nerds in their neverending quest for a subculture to ironize. I suspect most of the ‘nerds’ the cool chicks are after are actually hipsters (who often have quite a bit of game, being rather estrogenated) wearing big glasses and comic-book T-shirts ironically, rather than actual midlevel computer programmers.

      A lot of fat girls have no choice but to date nerds–it’s either the geek or the shower nozzle–so they convince themselves they actually like them. Self-delusion does wonders.

      I would like to see CH tackle the specific question of gaming nerdgirls–it would probably generate a lot of hits to the blog. I have found that expertise (even in a nerdy subject) can be a DHV in this situation (and don’t even think of pulling this with any other type of woman) as it allows for the exercise of intellectual dominance. Because nerdgirls have so much of their ego invested in their IQ, they can’t respect a guy who’s dumber than them, so combining intellectual dominance with other aspects of game such as a cocky-and-funny attitude, etc. can be effective as there aren’t a lot of dudes out there who can both spank them in their area of interest and on the ass.

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  71. on May 18, 2012 at 9:23 pm gunslingergregi

    you know who was smart the guy who came up with the who want to marry a millionaire.
    Got 30 woman to fight over getting with one dude. Perfection
    You know who was dumb scarface got some old dudes leftovers and a chick just for her body who had nothing to offer cause he had onitis for a cheating bitch.
    only 3 million millionaires in states so obviously being smart alone does not get you the all important thing in this life which is money
    but yea if your smart outsource the game part and have someone put together a group of bitches ever couple months for you to go through and maybe they get a chance at getting a shot at being in your more permanent rotation.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 9:57 pm The Whammer

      Is English your native language?
      Millionaire means nothing. Is that his net worth or what his yearly income is? And any really wealthy man is not going to go on some show with a bunch of golddigging dingbats who have nothing to offer him.
      Is Paris Hilton gping to marry some guy who works at Walmart (unless his name is Walton)?

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 10:46 pm gunslingergregi

        your entire comment is dumb i suggest you read as best you can for comprehension.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:46 pm The Whammer

        You really sound stupid. You may want to stop smoking that wacky weed

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 12:16 am gunslingergregi

        “””Millionaire means nothing.””””

        qouting the whammer

        is there really anything left to say lolzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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  72. on May 18, 2012 at 9:25 pm gunslingergregi

    be smart enough to know your limitations and outsource that shit ya hire lawyers and accountants hire someone who is good at picking up bitches to bring em to you instead of taking valuable time out of your schedule of becoming successful to worry about putting work in picking up ho’s

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  73. on May 18, 2012 at 9:40 pm The Whammer

    The computer industry made a lot of geeks rich

    It made some geeks rich while the other 99% are cubicle working drones and the average female knows this. . Besides, many of those so called geeks like Gates or Jobs were never really geeks to begin with. The whole rich geek thing is just a myth anyway. Geeks don’t start their own companies, they work in cubicles for the boss and do all of the boring gruntwork. Geeks are so inept in life that they don’t even know how to start a company or finance it, if they did then they’re not real geeks.
    And btw, nerdgirls are no different than any other girls and look for the same things in men. And in real life people don’t go around looking for intelligence.They generally associate with people like themselves. I just assume that the people I know have a certain level of intelligence, sophistication and wealth and we’re indifferent to these things.When I have to explain something I know that I’m dealing with a person of a lower class, and I’m not talking about some highly technical matter because that stuff is not important outside the lab and has no place in a male/female group socialising. If you’re in a mixed group and the guys are talking about technical stuff or Star War s films you know you’re in a blue collar nerd party where none of them can even dance a simple Foxtrot with a woman and don’t know the difference between a Chambertin and Lafite.

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    • on May 18, 2012 at 10:54 pm SFG

      Point. I guess it’s probably the hipster thing. It is weird though.

      That said, Gates is pretty wealthy, does seem to have Asperger’s, and I doubt he’s the only one. Most geeks don’t get rich, but a few do. Not as many as the bankers who live off them, of course.

      “And in real life people don’t go around looking for intelligence.They generally associate with people like themselves.”

      You’ve partially contradicted yourself, actually. Smart people do run around looking for other smart people for the reason you mentioned.

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      • on May 18, 2012 at 11:50 pm The Whammer

        I meant that they don’t consciously seek them out because they are already socialising with people of their class.
        And Gates and Jobs were basically businessmen whose field happened to be computers and software.

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  74. on May 19, 2012 at 12:15 am Inlone

    http://www.memecenter.com/fun/28437/I-love-awkward-nerdy-guys

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    • on May 19, 2012 at 2:08 am SFG

      Didn’t the guy on the right wind up becoming the 11th Dr. Who? Would make a huge amount of sense…

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  75. on May 19, 2012 at 8:22 pm Ben

    I patronise women intellectually–always. This means having the mindset that they are less intelligent than me and thus should be spoken sort of like children. There’s no need to impress someone intellectually (a weakness of mine when trying to dominate other nerd men) when the intellect is not capable of being impressed.

    I pull out the intellectual guns though at certain times. If a woman can’t find a word, I’ll give her one that’s suitable but that she doesn’t understand. If she can’t explain something, I’ll explain it to her but purposefully in a way she can’t understand (but with a carefree attitude as if it were the simplest thing and that she should understand.)

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    • on May 19, 2012 at 8:42 pm CooingDove

      Good advicE, Ben

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    • on May 19, 2012 at 8:48 pm CooingDove

      Ben, I prefer guys who are smarter than me. I like to ask the meanings of some words. And I agree that girls are not that smart. Most of my friends talk about stupid things.

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 9:02 pm corvinus

        Like shopping and shoes and shit, I imagine

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 9:37 pm CooingDove

        Pretty much.

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      • on May 19, 2012 at 9:41 pm CooingDove

        I do like shoes. So does my guy, on me I mean!

        I don’t mind some guys talking down to me either.

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  76. on May 19, 2012 at 9:21 pm Mr. Pointyface

    If it doesn’t apply to direct consumption– food, makeup, clothes, travel– oh they love travel!!! Make the world into a movie for a mere 500-600 per day! A movie where I’M the Star! — if it doesn’t relate to direct consumption– they aren’t interested. So your yacht– wow, you’re smart. Your PAPER in a peer-reviewed journal—-……..(silence). Just get used to the fact they’re children with VERY expensive tastes.. babies, houses, travel.

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  77. on May 20, 2012 at 1:28 am Anonymous

    Just a comment on your market value test: you mention that men with high IQs generally are less socially savvy, so you subtract points for an abnormally high IQ. I’m not sure this is necessary. Wouldn’t this social ineptness show itself and already be compensated for in other parts of the test?

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    • on May 20, 2012 at 10:16 am don julian

      dont worry, you’re not that smart

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  78. on May 21, 2012 at 2:46 am wizardcorpse

    @anonymous
    Its very very hard for a smart guy become socially copetent at the same time. that is why the most famous PUAs know this becasue they were once nerdy guys before they learned game (I bet even is one before) that is why your perplexed question quickly proves that, yes, you need not worry about that since your not smart anyway

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  79. on May 22, 2012 at 1:33 am pantyfx

    If you cannot incite emotion, then your words are the bricks other men flow over with elegant career into her pussy. Its really that simple.

    If you think your smart, your a fuckface.

    Stop it noone cares, literally noone cares.

    The noones who haven’t done anything care and thats who you are. You think a six figure salary means anything to your dick? No – once again, your a fuckface. You will be fuckfacing that pussy as a cuckhold trying to DHV because she wants a provider. You will orbit these girls.

    Smarts is to kill off other possibilities. However you do it, whenever you do it is your own flavor of life. That is what matters. Niggers kill off possibilities with muscle, white guys with cut-offs and surprises. Im sure other ethnicities do it mostly that way, or through a huge social network – remains of royalty.

    All of your intellectual masturbation that got you that sweeeeeet jobbbbbbbbbbbb that lets you buy the clothes you think matter? Neat.

    The only thing that matters in real life is solving problems that actually matter. You eat food because your hungry, it solves a small but relevant problem. If you cannot solve a useful problem and you claim to be smart, your a fuckface.

    The only reason why you think its a good idea to tell me your IQ is because I need you to do work.

    Think about that the next time you try to drive your intelligence down a girls throat.

    That should be your dick. Provide a memory that lasts a lifetime, don’t provide sperm. I provide sperm because my stock is superior. You on the other hand should be lucky to elicit orgasm.

    You focus on the girls, you focus on you, none of that matters.

    The problem is me.

    I make your rules.

    Belief or disbelief – you are mine.

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  80. on May 22, 2012 at 11:31 am Deutsch

    As a very high IQ male I can confirm that being smart indeed builds its own brick walls on the road to improving yourself and becoming better with the girls. Many times I feel that I am overthinking things or know too much. Alcohol usually helps me temporarily dumb myself down, but it also has its own disadvantages.

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