SFG remarks:
Women are shallow, but so are men. ‘Shallow’ means caring about appearances, which are the only things that matter in the social world. So ‘shallow’ is something we socially-inept types sling around to insult those who are better at marketing themselves.
Using the word “shallow” as it is reckoned by those who typically use it — women, feminists in particular, manboobs, and assorted fellow loser travelers — it is more precise to say that humanity is “shallow”. Women are just as drawn to shallow traits in the opposite sex as are men; the difference is that women’s shallowness is exalted in the public sphere. And it is exalted because there is no social compassion for the men who fail to meet women’s shallow standards and slip through the cracks. In contrast, women who fail to meet men’s shallow standards are decried as victims of oppressive male objectification and showered with sympathy.
This double standard exists because men are biologically expendable and women, sadly, biologically perishable. The underlying biological ur-reality forms the psychological reality which overlays it and projects into consciousness the workings of the subconscious id. Every word we say and action we take is ultimately slave in service to the primordial beast in our brains.
Another reason men are more easily and rapaciously slapped with the “shallow” label is because their sexual preferences are more visually discernible; female prettiness and sexiness, which is what men desire above all, are readily observable. Such is not the case (at least not to the same degree) of women’s sexual preferences; female preferences are focused more on men’s status, dominance and charm, and thus less easily distinguishable at a glance. The non-visual, time-delayed nature of much of women’s animal desires allows them to plausibly evade the smear of shallowness. But just because women’s preferences rely more on feedback from judging men’s dominance displays and comparing men’s relative statuses than on feedback from seeing men’s looks doesn’t make women any less shallow. It just diverts the flow of shallowness to a different part of the kiddie pool.
In truth, women’s preferences are no less shallow than men’s. It’s proxies for reproductive and survival quality all the way down.
Of course, the entire premise itself — that shallowness is an apt description of sexual preferences — is false, and the disparate semantic impact that the term “shallow” evokes is nothing but misty misdirection from the real truth: that there is nothing at all shallow about the deadly serious business of finding the highest quality mate(s) possible and, in a state of nature, passing on one’s genetic legacy into future generations. If the meaning of life is to fuck, then the means by which we achieve our purpose are the deepest, most profound feelings we possess.

Interesting post. I wonder how much of a shitstorm this one is gonna make
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Ironically, as Pinker writes, men’s taste for youth and beauty has developed in service of marriage and fatherhood. A woman’s current fertility is only relevant for one-night stands. However, to maximize the number of potential children a men should look for youth above all else in a bride. Among chimpanzees, where the father’s role ends with copulation, some of the wrinkled and saggy females are the sexiest.
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Women have an outrageous double-standard on that claim, of course- I remember a line from this blog back in the day, about the claim that women *really* don’t care all that much about their looks:” “The existence of the multi-billion dollar beauty, makeup, hair, and plastic-surgery industries refute that assertion.” True dat- women doll themselves up whenthey are in man-hunting mode (an in general) precisely because they know their SMV is based on looks.
Nothing new there, of course- but women will say that they doll themselves up, and practice all the myriad little vanities (clothes/shoe shopping, hair, makeup, etc.) because they “enjoy it for themselves”. Well, that’s because their genes tell them to: they enjoy it because it attracts men, and that behavior over the course of many generations in the distant past led to greater reproduction/ was evolutionarily favored. Same reason men have the drive to get to the top of a given hierarchy: innate competitiveness attracts pussy, and so was favored evolutionarily.
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I suggest the last sentence be put on the mast head of the blog. Well put.
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We can’t be blamed if a woman’s reproductive value is so obviously blatant.
If women want men to be less shallow, then every man should be offered his pick of 100 hotties. We’d be more choosy and will gladly take the top 50 or so smartest & personable hotties.
Until then, we’ll take the dumb hotties over the fat smarties.
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so, taking away the loser’s defensive judgment, shallow just means picky.
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Simply point out that women respond to taller men and avoid shorter men with even stronger preferences than men do regarding breast size. I’ve been surprised at the large percentage of women on match.com that are only interested in much taller men. My own survey, a decade ago, of 200 female profiles (Group 1=100 slender, average, athletic and Group 2=100 at “a few extra pounds” [heh] or large – a stratified sample) in the greater Washington, DC area (white women only) revealed this bias. About half specify at least 3″ taller and a quarter 5″ taller – AT MINIMUM.
According to health statistics, only 7% of women are taller than 5’9″ (the average height for men in the US) but one-third of women prefer a man, at minimum, taller than 5’9″. Isn’t this as superficial as men who will only settle for women with “a great rack”? See http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123853&page=2 and http://www.edatereview.com/blog/2005/08/online-dating-and-height.aspx#comments
The same analysis for men showed that 39% of men specified they would go out with someone taller and another 14% gave no specification for height.
in both groups 1 and 2, only 2% of women specified they would go out with someone more than 3 inches shorter than they were.
The average increase in height (rather than minimum acceptable) women wanted their men to be (in both groups 1 and 2) was 7 inches. This proves to me Heartiste points are the delusionality of the fatter women among us. However, the average man is only 5 inches taller than the average woman. No wonder women feel compelled to always be pointing out our ‘shortcomings’.
Hmmmm, and they say men are superficial when it comes to looks???
Clearly, the opposite is more likely to be the case in this instance.
Comment and study by a Ph.D. federal government health statistician!
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Equally shallow?
You are far too generous.
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You want shallow? Take a look at this broad :
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/05/17/time-scoops-newsweek-in-raging-cover-shot-war
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is this the modern poetry or what? im personally tired of gods, stars, myths. how about truth? science? this is absolutely fascinating and coming convo (convo get it?) -luted in order for you to get it (get it?)
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I was under the impression that women were not shallow in the sense that….
they want a good story
they dig contrast
they dig romance novels with plot twists
they measure a lot more traits than a mans apperance to formulate value
but they were extremely fucking shallow
in matters of
.. “love” (as in superficial sexual love vs. agape love)
abstract thought
morality
and general depth of knowledge
and ability to detach themselves from their narcissism and see things as they are
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“Shallow” is the word used by the losers of the SMP, no point against that; of course, that means fightning shallowness with shallowness is the natural consequence of it, and I don’t have a problem with that. The only issue is when the marriage apologists shriek against this use of logic and reason and insist you to be a morally superior nice guy and marry the shallow specimens anyway. The more they keep denying the poligamy that exists, the more obvious it is how worried they are about the certainty of their security checks.
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Women are considered profound. Why? Because we never fathom their depths. But women aren’t even shallow.
— Nietzsche, TOTI
The woman must obey, and find a depth for her surface. Woman’s soul is all surface, a mobile, stormy film on shallow water.
Man’s soul, however, is deep, its torrent thunders in subterranean caverns: woman feels his strength, but does not understand it.
— Ibid., TSZ
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Another reason is that men don’t overcomplicate sex. Let us fuck and get it over with. Women want to turn it into a fuck’n *production.
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“Of course, the entire premise itself — that shallowness is an apt description of sexual preferences — is false, and the disparate semantic impact that the term “shallow” evokes is nothing but misty misdirection from the real truth: that there is nothing at all shallow about the deadly serious business of finding the highest quality mate(s) possible and, in a state of nature, passing on one’s genetic legacy into future generations.”
Bingo. I’ve been saying the same things for months now. Nothing shallow about it – there ain’t nothing deeper than selecting hotties.
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And yet, over at http://www.inmalafide.com, Ferdinand has been cultivating an increasing number of proudly beta social conservative commenters who refer to alphas as “nihilistic”.
Real alphas need to show up over there more often.
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“If the meaning of life is to fuck, then the means by which we achieve our purpose are the deepest, most profound feelings we possess. ”
— I’ve always contended that life has no meaning whatsoever. But If one leans toward the more biological side – this is the most interesting and noteworthy things you’ve written in a while.
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Sure life has meaning.
believers think life has meaning because they think god, by existing and being conscious to give meaning, endows it with meaning.
That makes complete sense to them. It even makes sense to atheists who will usually agree that sure, *if* god existed, it could give meaning.
But we exist. We are conscious. We have everything anyone attributes to god that
allows god to give meaning to life. We are entirely capable of giving sense and meaning to our own lives. Appeal to higher power is needless.
We are the stuff the universe is made of, awoken and aware of itself. We are the universe being conscious of itself.
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Life’s meaning isn’t just to fuck and celebrate that, if anything you are just worshiping the chemicals the activities jet into your information processing centers. There is magic in the world man, you can worship things and it happens to the extent of your intent. This place is too much miracle to be so simple.
I know this because I have had the magical make you cum and not stop girl and left her, and survived that, and the career, and the early retirement, and the life changing discoveries. I have done everything a man is supposed to do, hell I even raised a family and it’s not time for me to fall down dead.
There’s more to it, lets just get them to the first part but I just want to remind all the fine readers of this establishment there is more to it. You get to that pussy heaven, you enjoy your stay but know there is still two other heavens to discover on earth and they make pussy….well I won’t spoil the fun.
Good post as always man.
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So true,you articulate obsverations that I have found to be true since early youth.
‘Women are just as drawn to shallow traits in the opposite sex as are men; the difference is that women’s shallowness is exalted in the public sphere. And it is exalted because there is no social compassion for the men who fail to meet women’s shallow standards and slip through the cracks.’
this rings very true
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I’ve discovered and field-tested the best response to expose or surface a girl’s shallowness.
Text her one word: “Interesting…”
This gets the hamster going and she will just completely spill the beans about whatever or start asking a smillion questions.
The context for discovering this was my ex…who I dumped in December after a year because her shit-tests and overall craziness was over the top…came out to a party I was at with some dude….it was a beta orbiter.
I was gaming one of my coterie and began chatting with this young girl. Out of the corner of my eye, I spot my ex get up and walk over to the bar and start talking to some random dude.
A short time later I had to leave and didn’t say bye while she was chatting with the dude.
The whole thing bothered for a number of reasons but rather than calling her on this move, I texted her: “interesting…”
2 seconds later she replied with “What’s interesting?”
I didn’t reply. A few hours later she texted me back with a very detailed explanation or rather “qualification” of the beta orbiter, why she was hanging with him and how she was only introducing the dude at the bar to some friend of hers…
Anyway, I’ve tried this verbally too…when a girl asks “What do you think of this outfit, my hair, my drawings, my singing, my cooking”
I reply with “It’s interesting…” try it…
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Dead on. I’ve never once heard an attractive girl or a guy who’s in shape complain about people being “shallow”; it’s always nerds, feminists, and fatasses.
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This stuff is depressing sometimes. It makes me feel like modern women are absolutely useless except for a quick piece on the weekends and best dumped off. No kids, because the kids will suffer from the inevitable hypergamy, and no love or companionship until you are old and grey and it doesn’t matter anymore.
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Alas, as somebody who’s been there, done that, I am forced to agree. For betas like me who grew up trusting and pedastalizing women, it’s sad, really. But then I remember being stabbed in the back by my wife, and I get over that quickly.
For good or ill, modernity is forcing us men to be utterly independent, flexible and adaptable, getting short-term surreptitious pleasure when/where we can, focusing on self-improvement and living life on our own terms.
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From what I understand, if you really, really want to do the family thing, you can improve your odds by going evangelical, Mormon, etc–any woman will lose so much in the community by going eat-pray-love on you it isn’t worth it to her.
Also they’re more likely to believe in the sacrality of the marriage bond and all that stuff people used to believe in the fifties.
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Truely. But like LibertyFreedPatriot said, think of what some ‘ho did to you and you won’t feel so bad about it.
Check out this link to “Scumbag Girl” at QuickMeme, if you need some reminders… or want to add some for others,
http://www.quickmeme.com/Scumbag-girl/
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So tired of plain tho ugly ass uggos feeling entitled to Don Draper look alikes.SMMFH.
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Where’s the post about the VAWA fight in Congress?
31 Republican senators voted against VAWA last week, meaning we have a few traitors to get rid of. Who were the 18 traitors? I believe Lugar, Murkowski, Snowe would be among them. Lugar was just voted out and Snowe is leaving.
The House voted for a changed version with the votes of 220 vs 205 that Obama says he will veto. It all goes to committee now where men will probably get stabbed in the back.
But it is good to see, as a change from 2005, that the majority of House members (the new ones) know how bad VAWA is and are trying to reverse the tide.
Meanwhile Congress ignores the fact that the Supreme Court has twice struck down parts of VAWA while implying the whole thing could be struck down if someone were to properly challenge it.
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Because they are so seldom shamed, there is evidence that women are More shallow than men. A decade ago, I did my own study on match.com, selecting a sample of 100 white women listed as slender, average, or athletic and another 100 listed as “a few extra pounds” (heh) or large.
I was surprised, at that time, at the large percentage of women that are only interested in much taller men. About half specify at least 3″ taller and a quarter 5″ taller. According to health statistics, only 7% of women are taller than 5’9″ (the exact average height of men), but one-third of women prefer a man, at minimum, taller than 5’9″. Isn’t this as superficial as men who will only settle for women with “a great rack”? For more evidence, see
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123853&page=2 and
http://www.edatereview.com/blog/2005/08/online-dating-and-height.aspx#comments
The same analysis for men showed that 39% of men specified they would go out with someone taller and another 14% gave no specification for height.
In both groups 1 and 2, only 2% of women specified they would go out with someone more than 3 inches shorter than they were.
The average increase in height (rather than minimum acceptable) women wanted their men to be (in both groups 1 and 2) was 7 inches. However, the average man is only 5 inches taller than the average woman. No wonder women feel compelled to always be pointing out our ‘shortcomings’ and they say men are superficial when it comes to looks???
retired Phd epidemiologist with federal govt.
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All WOMEN especially short fat ugly women HATE or are NOT ATTRACTED to SHORTER MEN. Women claim for a better gene pool.They wont feel insecure. They want their freaken feminist double standard cake to eat with a full cup of beauty. FACT. Until then ALL WOMEN are full of talk. They try so hard to ALWAYS PROVE MEN WRONG or EQUAL to their f ups.
Sorry..they make me so sick now living among them is hard everyday. Since I was a teen in the 90s 80s Oprah and women bitching about men for 20 plus years has affected me.
If Stephen Hawkins was a woman with money she would still get laid by men
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The only basis women have for claiming the mantle of less “shallow” is that they rely more upon those certain criteria that do not involve looks. For example, they rely upon career status more which they can spin as “driven.” We care about many of these sort of things as well, but we rely more upon physical beauty.
Consider that Stephen Hawking has an actual woman as his wife. As far as I remember, she is a 5 or better. A female Stephen Hawking ain’t getting married no matter how many books she published.
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Hey, people suck. What can we say?
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Older generations understood this. They knew that both genders were shallow, and didn’t try to hide it.
I have an old uncle, alpha as fuck man who fled Russia as a child, came here dirt poor, married my aunt young and worked up from poverty to become a very wealthy insurance broker and investor. His actions are purposeful, his manner playful yet intense. 100% A-L-P-H-A even in old age.
I remember he used to take me in his convertable, smoke cigars, talk about fine clothing, show off his gold jewelry, etc. At the time I was a teenager, getting the full feminism-ray to the face, learning to talk to women (but not yet understanding them). At the time he was repellant to me.
Now I realize he got it. He was right all along, joking and laughing crudely that women were shallow, that my aunt and my mother were shallow. He was 100% correct. His behavior, lifestyle and appearance were calculated to convey wealth, value, stability and power. He had the guts to talk about female shallowness openly, and the power and bravura to make sure people who normally would get offended, wouldnt.
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Guys you HAVE to watch this – The Chateau’s ideas are entering the mainstream!
It’s a one-hour interview with KRAUSER, one of London’s top PUA’s and Day-Gamers – he goes into hypergamy, shit-testing, feminism causing the breakdown of society and much more….can’t believe that everything I’ve been reading about on here is confirmed by his own experiences…
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Your daily dose of Wilde: “…the people who love only once in their lives are really the shallow people…There are many things that we would throw away if we were not afraid that others might pick them up.”
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what is shallow anyway? everyone only act according to their biological imperative: even kindness to others of the same species is a biological imperative
Sex is a major imperative and women also have it at top of their priorities next to finding food and shelter
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Women are not equally as shallow as men. They are more shallow than men.
We all know about women who will reject a man because he’s wearing the wrong color shoes or because he’s got a bald patch or even worse, because he’s too short for them. Almost every woman has a minimum height requirement that is greater (!!) than her own and she will NEVER date a man who doesn’t meet it.
They don’t just reject such men, they categorically refuse to even consider them.
And at least most things men look for in women you can do something about but you cannot make yourself taller.
So lets cut the double standard coddling women and uncritically accepting all the bullshit without calling out for what it is. Women are WAY more shallow than men.
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Does that mean abortion and contraception are shallow and female employment is shallow since both interfere with the ability of humans to reproduce. Feminism, in short, is biologically backwards and does white women no favours – it just gives sexual and reproductive advantages to muslim women.
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