Ah, that perennial conundrum. That gavel of masculine judgment. Does the quality or the quantity, or both, of women that a man beds determine his alpha mojo? The hosts have graciously elaborated on this topic in the past, which should have been the final word, but not all of the world’s 7 billion people have yet stayed a night at the Chateau to wake in the morning infused with the knowledge of the Celestials.
Any guy who claims to have game but picks up hundreds of circus freaks a year will be a laughingstock. And the boastful guy with few notches who claims to know everything about women because he’s been dating his cute high school sweetheart his whole life will similarly be mocked.
To put it in logical terms easily grasped by the aspies among us (first number in each series refers to penis-in-vagina notch count unless otherwise noted; second number refers to female attractiveness rating on a 0-10 scale):
Stiff autumn breeze <more alpha than> 100 0s
Unlubed masturbation <more alpha than> 100 hundred 1s <more alpha than> 200 0s
Couch crease <more alpha than> 100 2s <more alpha than> 200 1s <more alpha than> 300 0s
Lubed masturbation <more alpha than> 100 3s <more alpha than> 200 2s <more alpha than> 300 1s <more alpha than> 400 0s
Barely legal porn-assisted masturbation <more alpha than> 100 2s <but less alpha than> 100 3s over a two month time span
Handjob by a 4 <more alpha than> 10 3s
Blowjob by a 4 <more alpha than> 15 3s
Chandelier swinging, titty fucking, throat gagging, motorized defiling, publicly violating, video recorded facialized money shotting, post-coital sammich making, never see her again sex with a 4 <more alpha than> 50 missionary style 3s
Fleeting glance from a 10 <more alpha than> 100 1s
Handjob by a 10 <more alpha than> 1,000 1s
Blowjob by a 10 <more alpha than> 10,000 1s
Sex with a 10 <more alpha than> 100,000 1s
Anal sex with a 10 <more alpha than> Infinity 1s
100 5s <more alpha than> 100 4s <more alpha than> 500 3s
50 6s <more alpha than> 100 5s
40 7s <more alpha than> 100 6s
30 8s <more alpha than> 100 7s
10 9s <more alpha than> 100 8s
1 10 <more alpha than> 3 9s
LTR with a 10 <more alpha than> one night of sex with a 10 <more alpha than> LTR with an 7
One night of sex with a 9 <more alpha than> Rotating harem of multiple LTRs with 100 5s and 6s <more alpha than> One night stands with 1,000 4s
LTR with a 0 <more alpha than> Nothing
Serial LTRs with 5 10s <more alpha than> One night stands with 100 9s <more alpha than> Lifelong monogamous LTR with an 8
Unmarried, cohabiting, child-free, sex-gorged LTR with an 8 <more alpha than> Once-a-month married sex with a 9 <more alpha than> Once-a-day married sex with a 7
Unmarried, commitment-free, responsibility-absolved, sex-on-demand with a cast of 1,000s of faithful 10s wearing kneepads and schooled in the culinary arts <more alpha than> The universe
***
So, if you have ass-banged one 10 in your life, you have equivalent bragging rights to the guy who has banged every 1 in the world.
If you have effortlessly banged 10,000 1s, you have less bragging rights than the guy who has gotten one (freely given) blowjob from a 10. If you needed to expend huge effort to bang those 10,000 1s, you have less bragging rights than the guy who stuck it in a couch crease for quick relief.
If you have inspired a 6 to want a relationship with you, you have more alpha bragging rights than the guy who has inspired 10 4s to spread their legs for him.
Where it gets blurry is in the plain middle of the beauty arc. A guy who banged one 6 technically will be more alpha than the guy who banged two 5s, but at those fine gradations, who’s really keeping tabs? That’s where the Template will influence the grading curve and make distinctions harder to delineate.
Ultimately, the essence of alpha maledom all comes down to inspiring beautiful women to, first and foremost, desire your poundage, and then to desire your continual poundage, and finally to desire your love. If you can seduce a hot babe into bed multiple times, then seduce her into love, and then do this same thing with many hot babes over the course of your life, you are an alpha male, no matter what else you have or have not accomplished in your life. Many will balk at this, but that doesn’t change its truth.

You forgot the category for “30 kids with 11 women, probably of average or below average looks”.
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We don’t know that yet or do we? Let’s see photos of that black dude’s baby mamas.
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight,we’ll be all jealous an shit looking at all those fine black beeyotchezz this alpha notched! And if any of them are white,well,those BBW are so hot!
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Darius for the win.
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I bet $100 that at least 75% of them are obese.
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lozzzzlzlzozzolzol
what is up with all the buttehxting?
as the ancients said,
a bird in hand is worth two in the bush
meaning
a cock in hand is worth two in da tush
lzlzozlzolzolzololzzlzzoz
but a cock in da bush is best lzozozolozozoozozzo
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So I am guessing “assbanging” a pretty girl is a big goal!
Firepower, are what you write haikus?
Like I said the girl in that picture is not me. Just similar look and maybe a few years younger.
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Not haiku
Fireku
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Oh, OK.
Firepower, Sir,
I wish my ass
was
as red as my face.
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I guess this is the part where Heartiste tells us how alpha he is. How many 8’s, 9’s, and 10’s have you banged Heartiste? Where are you on the alpha spectrum?
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“Couch crease?”
“Motorized defiling??”
WHAT THE FUCK GOES ON IN THAT CITY
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Very good post, but I think you need to go a step further and codify the quality/quantity analysis into the dating market value test for men. It probably will take more than one question. For example:
In the past 6 months, I have slept with:
1) no one. Subtract a point.
2) 1 girl. Zero points, but see followup question.
3) 2 or more girls. Add one point and complete followup question.
Followup – the quality of the girl(s) I slept with over the past 6 months:
1) She was an 8 or higher. Add one point.
2) More than one was 7 or higher. Add one point.
3) More than one was 8 or higher. Add two points.
4) I was in a relationship with the girl and she is 7 or 7.5. Add one point.
5) I was in a relationship with the girl and she is 8 or higher. Add two points.
6) I slept with more than one sub-6 girl. Subtract 1 point.
I think this works because it is limited to the present. High notch counts don’t mean anything as far as what you can get in the here and now. A man married to a 7 gets a point. Good job. A man married or committed to an 8 gets 2 points. Great job. If you got lucky once with a 7 or lower, no points. That is expected. You got lucky once with an 8, good job. You got with more than one 7 or above? Good job. You got with more than one 8? GREAT job. If you slept with multiple girls over the past 6 months but 2 or more were sub-6, you’re back to even.
[heartiste: i will take your suggestion under consideration. i only disagree with your departing sentence. a man who has slept with a lot of 7s and 8s but has acquired a few sub-6 blotches on his record can be excused those fleeting indiscretions. i say this because men who have the requisite horniness and game to diligently pursue and bed 7s and 8s also have enough hormonal surge to push them, regretfully, into the occasional dumpster dive.]
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I hear you. But I give the PUA one sub-6 indiscretion per 6 month time frame. Plus, he already gets a point for having slept with more than one girl over the 6 months due to the first part of the question. And if he is as prolific as you hypothesize, he probably gets another point back by nailing an 8 or a couple 7s during the same time frame.
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I’m about a 6, even when younger. I knew I had to settle to get a commitment, but for raw attraction I was still interested in the same guys the hottest girls were. I’m not sure betas get much casual sex from any girl.
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Honey, you really had to settle?! WTF … I’ve always believed that everyone finds love eventually … Don’t you feel ashamed for what you did? What if your husband knew that you settled for him?!
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Pretty much all guys in The West realize they wouldn’t have “gotten” their wife if Brad Pitt was pursuing her concurrently with them. Only in Disney movies and commercials; and perhaps in cheesy romance novels; do people “find love” in the manner you alude to. The traditional cultures that live by the motto “love the one you marry, not marry the one you love” are an awful lot closer to a functioning reality than Lady and the Tramp will ever be.
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Why isn’t Lady and the Tramp accurate? Translated into human terms, Lady was an HB9 and Tramp was a charming alpha asshole out to have a good time with multiple women.
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Not if Pitt were some unemployed actor waiting tables.He’d be just another pretty boy. Most females actually prefer dark haired men (like 90%) which is a very clear preference. There’s a reason for that Tall Dark and Handsome cliche and why females go for the young Sean Connery types and John Hamm. He’s an amusing actor but none of his females comes close to any of my women.He looks pretty pussy whipped by tatooed kid collector, Angie.And if you look at Angie when she was young in a film like Hackers she’s not even good looking.http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4214785280/tt0113243
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I heard Angie had him pussywhipped.
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When you were a younger girl, would you have rather had an alpha pump and dump, or a beta commitment? Or did you have both on the down low
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alpha commitment!
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[smack]
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Go back and read Heartiste’s criteria for alphadom. Exactly how do you square that with commitment? The only maybe possible way to remain alpha (by our host’s definition), and simultaneously commit, is if the one he commits to is a universally acknowledged 10+. So, if I may be so rude as to ask; how many Victoria’s Secret catalog covers have you graced in the last 2 years?
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Ideally, both.
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Beta pump & dump?
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Alpha fucks and Beta bucks, of course. lolzolzololzolzozz
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@Lara: (personal questions alert) Then settling to you means choosing someone for whom you are not as physically attracted to as another? If you had to settle somewhere (on attraction, brains, or money) where would settling be of least detriment to overall happiness? I specifially wonder, if you knew the guy was a good and decent person, could provide for you, was intelligent AND found YOU very attractive, but you just didn’t feel it for them, could you/would you do it?
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Again, tits ot gtfo.
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Name or grow tfu.
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Why are you so mean to me? My dog just died.
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Yup, that one works like a charm. In the slim to none chance that there is any combination of you not being exactly anonymous and/or that your dog has actually died, I’m sorry to hear that. In the case of you using a strategy you read about on a blog, I see your dead dog and I raise you a living ungameable realtor. Why can’t I get my way. Stamp, stamp.
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Well-played, madam.
Now, about them tits….
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Considering that you’re not using your real name here (I might surmise your first name’s “Kate”, but without proof…) you’re a bit pushy to say that one.
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My mother never allowed anyone to call me any diminutive of Katherine, but I always used Kate as my pen name. For the past couple years, I have written under the name QueenBee. I had no idea it was a pick up term. Now I just prefer to use my own name. I appreciate the desire to remain anonymous, but I don’t think its any more pushy to ask that someone give themselves a screename to distinguish themselves from other “Anonymous” posters than to have people demanding nudes, which, even if I were so inclined, would be imprudent. I also understand the wanting proof part of your comment. Some people have already attained that. Here’s a good rule of thumb for sussing out people online: if you have the almost uncontrollable urge to roll your eyes, they might be pulling your leg 🙂
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Marry, so I mean, sweet Katherine, in thy bed.
And therefore, setting all this chat aside,
Thus in plain terms: your father hath consented
That you shall be my wife your dowry greed on;
And will you, nill you, I will marry you.
Now, Kate, I am a husband for your turn;
For, by this light, whereby I see thy beauty,
Thy beauty that doth make me like thee well,
Thou must be married to no man but me;
For I am he am born to tame you, Kate,
And bring you from a wild Kate to a Kate
Conformable as other household Kates.
[Re-enter BAPTISTA, GREMIO, and TRANIO]
Here comes your father. Never make denial;
I must and will have Katherine to my wife.
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How brave of you. Well, if the shrew fits…two ficticious marriages in one week. Not bad. Not bad at all. Now if I could only trade them in for one real one 🙂
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Easy. We’re getting there. She’s exposing a bit of shoulder now. Who knows how far south that neckline is destined to go?
Impatient little puppy humps ankle, busts nut, ruins seduction.
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If you are looking for a man to commit to you, it makes sense to find someone with less options. He is going to be more content with you. It is good to have some attraction to him, but it isn’t the most important thing.
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Lara
Or you could try for a man with more options but do more than most girls will do for him.
Dove
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True.
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This has never worked for me. In fact, it seems to work against me.
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Men, any suggestions on how to do this?
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Just a girl-
Simple things. Become indispensable to your man’s day to day functioning. Express early on that you get the team concept and are not above cooking, cleaning, laundry. Demonstrate that there are skills you bring to the table as well.
Be very open sexually. Not aggressive and masculine, but willing to try new things.
If its important to him, be willing to carry, have and raise his children. Always remain loyal to your relationship with him above all else.
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Just a girl
Sidewinder is right. Be useful. In all rooms of the house. Find out where the kitchen and laundry are, and spend some time in them.
I don’t mind ironing a man’s shirts. Why exactly is all this such a big deal?
I made my useful, really useful, and now I am in a pretty strong LTR which I hope will turn into more. And yes, I am open to kids.
Dove
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@JustAGirl,
Pay attention to the font of “Girl Game” wisdom that is CooingDove…
Her advice about being supportive of her mate in every room in the house, “knocks it for seven” (aka Knock it out of the park)
This is an example to all ‘Mericans girls who grew up indoctrinated in feminism, what an authentic girl should sound like.
If Dove’s attitude comes across as strange to you, then you’ve got a lot of learning ahead of you… or alternatively a lot of confusion and identity issues to deal with…
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That Guy
Thank you very much, Sir!
Nothing I said was original. Just common sense.
Be what a guy needs. Fill in the gaps. Oil the works. Help his life run smoothly.
There is a lot of pleasure in just being a girl looking after a worthwhile man.
Dove
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CooingDove, is your man okay with you calling other men ‘Sir’?
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I do admire him but I am not attracted to him physically. He’s considerably older.
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How many years older? How long have you been with him? Have you always not been attracted to him physically?
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Fifteen years older. We are not together because I have never acquiesced. No, I have never been attracted to him physically. I mean, I’m a very affectionate person, so its not like I’ve minded hugging him, but I can’t imagine anything further.
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I assumed he was your husband. Why is he relevant? Do you sleep with him?
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No, I am divorced. Why is he relevant? Because he would give me a relationship and could help me get out of an unpleasant situation. He wants to get married. No, I have never slept with him. Advice I hear from women is marry a man who loves you more than you love him. Advice men give men is to be with a woman who loves them more than they love her. Its really quite simple. I want to be wanted. He wants me. Will that be enough is the question.
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That advice makes sense if you’re a woman who is loyal, committed and values marriage. If you don’t really get the marriage thing then I would say divorce number 2 will be a quick inevitability.
But under any scenario, you have to at least be into the guy enough to sleep with him. You shouldn’t even be considering him for a long term relationship if you haven’t felt the desire to even sleep with him once.
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No good has ever come from me being into the guy enough to sleep with him. Maybe that is the part of the equation I need to change.
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I like to be the one who loves more.
Dove
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I do too. I mean, I don’t think anybody could outlove me, anyway. I think, naturally, women just love more. But that doesn’t mean a man is going to love you at all in return. So, is it really better to just be with the one who loves you more. I’m getting repetitive, so I’m going to stop:) If anyone has any additional thoughts, I’d appreciate hearing them.
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how could it be possible for woman to naturally love more when they naturally
go to the victor after the former “lover” dies.
The man naturally loves till the death.
Can’t love another than to lay down your life for them but yea
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Who died? What? When does this happen in normal, human society? In the wild I suppose the female goes with the victor because…he’s the one that’s left.
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Geisha, yes girls do love more. I usually do.
If you do a lot for a man, he usually loves you almost as much. Men are just naturally self-centred. I think that women need a man for completeness. It makes us a bit desperate.
Dove
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honestly kate? that picture minus the hair could pass for a man. you have a manly jaw. and when you’re pushing 40, you don’t have much choice, it’s basically now or never for you, capice?
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Well, that is interesting news. But why do people keep saying things like “minus the hair.” Are you expecting it to fall out or something? Is that why people dread forty so? Well, thanks, anyway. I’m almost completely talked out of it now. Sometimes one just needs a bit of an intervention.
It just gets a bit frustrating at times. I try to give people an opening. Like the other day. I smiled at this guy I see at the gym and he literally looked like a deer in the headlights. I’m surprised he didn’t drop a weight on his foot. This happens frequently. Now I’m thinking, maybe they’re afraid I’m going to beat them up! 😉
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You look a bit like an Australian in that pic, Geisha. Outdoorsy.
Dove
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@Sidewinder: Thank you for your comments. How remiss of me not to have said so earlier. I do appreciate your words of advice.
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I feel like there is something to Susan Walsh’s statement that it’s easier for a handsome beta to get a one night stand than a relationship. It seems to be the case especially in the nordic countries, where girls can go for pure looks if it’s just for sex. Doesn’t mean a handsome beta will get laid a lot, but ONS can happen. Some guys have this situation where they have ONS, but the next day the girl doesn’t like something and it goes nowhere.
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A girl who gets fucked properly will want it again. Beta fail. It goes nowhere because the girl didn’t get turned inside out.
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OR since he’s desparate for regular sex, he gets too interested in keeping her and it turns her off.
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And why is that? She wants to keep herself open in case a better deal comes along.
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Because if he’s desperate, few women/no women wanted him, then there must be something wrong with him?..(and preselection is important)
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@Maya
Your comments on this and other posts could be summed up by this tune – Lily Allen “22”
Then take a peek at what CooingDove and some other girls do right – it could be summed up in this tune – Bitter:Sweet “Dirty Laundry”
The question is, which is the better strategy, and for whom?!
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I will look at those videos later.
But I do laundry and try to make myself useful.
Not ashamed of that.
Dove
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That Guy
Thanks for the compliment, Sir.
Dove
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OK I have watched the Dirty Laundry video. Cute. It turned me on a bit.
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I can relate to the bit in the Lily Allen song about having a job and not a career. Even at 28.
Dove
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This song is not about a 22 year old girl but about a woman who is ‘nearly 30 now’
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maya, I am 28 and I have an OK job but not anything you could call a career.
Dove
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maya, I am 28. I have a job but no way a career. Most of my girl friends are the same. I am average or a bit above. Nothing special. I like the job most days but it is a bit of a dead end. I am on leave at the moment, doing a few things at home.
Dove
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Why is it that men have jobs and females have careers? I can be the head of the NYSE or President and I’ll refer to it as a job while some office girl will say she has a career.Females always inflate everything they do. Housework? It’s an easy relaxing job and when I was a med student many years ago we used to give housekeeping type work to the most feeble minded patients on the psych ward to keep them busy.They’d even cook and bake cakes.
No man needs a housekeeper anyway because we have machines to do the work and even my large house stays clean without a female around to make a mess and clutter it with junk. Cooking is also no problem and you can buy everything you want cooked by experts for little more than doing it yourself and without all of the waste. If marriage were an investment wives would be a depreciating asset.
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That Guy,
I love this song and video (22) and I’ve already posted it once on this blog 🙂
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@Maya,
If you take the message in it to heart, then good on ya!
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Hmm. I wonder what Lily is up to these days.
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I had some hotness in my life (9s and 8s), but I also didn’t give a F#ck about hitting some 6s and 7s. Sometimes, these girls only lacked small qualities that dudes would pass them for (silly shit like she’s too short, or she has a big nose, or a lazy eye, or she was plain, or her friend is hotter, whatever) I could see past/under these small potatoes and know they had some bodies on them. I don’t ever remember my dick complaining about the warmth and wetness of a 6 pussy as opposed to an 8 pussy. Maybe allowing my dick brain to override my regular brain and any beauty scale makes me less alpha, but so be it. Every night you go out and don’t get laid when you want to, you die a little. Ditch the scale and fill your memory back. Those 6s are just as fun, sometimes even more so.
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6s, yes. Sub-6s, no. I’ll give a guy one sub 6 over a 6 month span. But there’s no embarassment in taking home a 6. If you take home a 7, that’s cool. If the 7 decides to bang you regularly, that’s a good job. 6 is the threshold. Sub-6 can only be excused by severe intoxication or dry spell. 7s are quality girls. 8s and up are high quality. I find it fairly subjective in differentiating between 8s, 9s, and 10s.
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I find it fairly subjective in differentiating between 8s, 9s, and 10s.
That’s because you’re either young and/or inexperienced. Young guys may be able to see the difference between fugly girl and an average girl and a top girl but they almost never are able to distinguish between girls at the top level or have the discrimination to know why one is an 8 and one a 10.
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Please enlighten me. How do you differentiate 8s, 9s, and 10s?
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If you don’t know then it would take me hours to explain it to you and that’s assuming that you have any taste or discrimination to begin with. Post some pics here of females who you believe are 8’s 9’s 10’s and I’ll comment on them to give you an idea what to look for.
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Taste and discrimination he says… Heh…
Those are subjective things. I consider single-malt Scotches like Oban to be something of good-taste in Alcohol. But others will consider a fine Tequila to be better.
But then, I know a good beer when I see one. I also know a good woman when I see one. There’s some things, past looks, that downgrade the woman on the spot. Being nuckin’ futz being a major downtick. A 10 becomes a damn 4-5 in my books if she’s showing good evidence of being BPD (And I can spot them often…).
It’s all subjective up to a point anyhow.
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Taste and discrimination he says… Heh…
Those are subjective things. I consider single-malt Scotches like Oban to be something of good-taste in Alcohol. But others will consider a fine Tequila to be better.
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That’s an opinion and an opinion is a preference between things or ideas of equal merit. I may prefer a Latour to a D’Yquem but I recognise that the D’Yquem is a top class wine and would rate both close to a 10.
But you can’t rate a 10 female to a 6 and besides looks are only the bare minimum to be a 10 and the other qualities must also be a 10.
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Most men can come to a consensus on rating the hotties (8, 9 , 10’s), the average looking girls (7’s), and the uglies (1, 2, 3, 4, 5’s).
But a slightly below-average girl (6) is harder to define and more of a personal taste.
I’d say most men have very different tastes on what a 6 is.
A chick with a slightly below average face may have a banging body, and a chick with a gorgeous face may have an overweight body. Men would rate them all differently from 5 to 7. Yes, it would probably average to a 6, but not a consensus 6.
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How is a 6 slightly below average? I thought a 5 is, pretty much by definition, an average girl (not ugly, not cute, not going to stir anyone’s loins with her body face)? I’m of the opinion that a 6 is a cute girl, not hot or particularly striking; not necessarily hot enough to date (depending on how good the guy is with women), but nothing you’d be ashamed of having banged.
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I think of a 5 as average too, half way between 0 and 10. When guys rate women, I think they are usually thinking of women of childbearing age. This would be very roughly between the ages of 15 and 45. So a 5 would be the average female at the midpoint of that age range, around 30. An average 20 year old would be higher, like maybe a 6 or 7. An 8 would be an attractive 20 year old or an older woman way above average for her age. A nine would be the kind of girl you would stare at and couldn’t take your eyes off of if you saw her. This is the kind of female who could make a living with looks by being a model or an actress. Probably not more than ten percent of females would be above a 7 if you were looking at the totality of all women.
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Is 7 an average girl? I think of a 7 as a pretty girl, healthy weight. A girl that you would not feel the least bit embarassed about as a girlfriend, assuming she had a reasonable personality.
I think of a 6 as an average girl. Not someone to be embarrassed to sleep with, but not exactly proud to take out as a girlfriend or wife. 6s have a much greater variability than any other rating. They could be the pretty girl, that’s a little short with a big ass. Or the tall skinny girl with the pretty face but boyish figure. Or they could be the plain-faced girl with the porn star body.
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I think of an average girl as a non fat 5. Dunnum in the new HBO series is a 4. I’d say Soshonna or something like that is a 6.
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HBO series Girls.
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Even for a solid alpha 9, 6’s (cute girls but not quite pretty) are nothing to be ashamed of once in awhile if they came easily and were fun girls.
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I’m getting the Sinking Feeling
that Game was invented
so high school Math nerds
would know what to do with all the pussy
that came with the money from cubicle engineering jobs….
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@FP,
I just coined a term for this: “Game Nerds”
Kind of like the kid who watches baseball for the stats…
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You’ve never been with a girl because of game? Why are you even here every day and night then?
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Pussy from the money? Heh… If you don’t go out, you don’t get it. I could be as rich as Bill Gates and still not get laid without buying an escort if I didn’t go out and try to meet/pick-up women.
(Of course, if you’re in one of those “cubicle engineering jobs” you might not have the time to get out these days…)
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Heartiste now you need a scale in what a 10 and down actually is. Sidewinder is quite correct in the subjectiveness of 8’s-10’s thus 5-7’s. I have a friend now whose dating a very well put together 6 and he swears atop the highest mountain she’s a 10.
[heartiste: when a guy who’s dating a 6 swears she’s a 10, you can rest assured that’s the male hamster spinning his wheel. and you can be doubly sure that if a real 10 were to try to seduce him, he’d forget all about that fake 10 he faithfully loves.]
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Heartiste is right, many men are deluding themselves or have never been exposed to the top women. A 10 in Podunk would be an average female in a better area. Many females today are out of proportion either by being too heavy or too tall.
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Tens are not “subjective.” They are universally acknowledged as unimprovable, except by lying nigglers who think pickiness is proof of their status. If there is room for legitimate argument or accounting for taste, she is by definition a nine.
The rest of the scale is relatively subjective, except as a rough-and-ready ranking system, i.e., no man will ever mistake a 2 for a 7. Debating the fine distinction between a 6.25 and a 6.5 are arguments for Dungeon Masters.
I like the gold-spun hair and ice-blue eyes of my ancestors, it’s a Platonic preference of “one’s own” over “the good,” an almost genetic urge to propagate the unique traits of my line. On the other hand, I’m a sucker for the doe-eyed and freckled, and for sturdy half-breed exotics like the Spanish. There is wide latitude for preference, and the attempt to quantify beauty is mathematical vivisection, the urge of nerds whose twisted resentment substitutes flow charts for poets’ hearts. Everything tangible becomes intellectualized, and the intangible is made tangible to be deconstructed. Why? Because the only tool in the nerd’s toolbox is the intellect, and so they dismiss everything not easily quantified as imaginary.
A unique torture of our postmodern age is the absence of beauty — in music, in art, in fashion. This is because our Cartesian, science-worshiping forebears decided to attack aesthetic with the same arithmetical alacrity as they did with physics, expecting similarly spectacular results. The opposite occurred, and now we hate true beauty so much and have rejected it for so long that we have lost the ability to acknowledge it except by some contrived Geiger-counter standard.
“Beauty is truth, and truth beauty.” But like truth it can be distorted by the beholder. It is mediated by preference, mood, medium, angle, lighting, and context. It is rare to get even a moment’s glimpse at the beatific visions among us. You must be in the right frame of mind, and we have since become too cynical for that frame, discarding our innocence as dangerously immature naïveté.
“It is that beauty the great poets dream about but describe most poorly and inadequately.” Everything else is shadow and hint. Everything else is negotiable.
Matt
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“But like truth it can be distorted by the beholder.” I wonder. A quotation from one of my favorite movies (Something’s Gotta Give) comes to mind: “The truth doesn’t have versions.”
Your quotation comes from an innocent. It is too sadly possible that Keats might have changed had he lived longer. What keeps a Keats from becoming a Byron?
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^^She’s probably a 7 without that funked up smile. So you have a starting point fellas.
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Oh, good grief. Show us your teeth!
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You meant to say: teeth or GTFO.
A mouthful of gleaming-straight oral enamel is a good 25% of facial beauty. One thing Americans still have over Europeans. Not getting your little girl braces is tantamount to child abuse. Current fetish: Taylor Swift’s chipmunk choppers.
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Did I? Would you mind doing all my thinking for me, please? I’m sleepy.
She is stunning. Hope she doesn’t end up with elephant ears though 😉 So, I’ve deduced you have a thing for Taylor Swift and young, female detectives. Are you a college student?
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High school
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lol
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Not getting your little girl braces is tantamount to child abuse.
That’s how it is, nowadays… the least little crooked tooth and there goes six large to the orthodontist. I got hammered for my three kids, and only one of them truly needed the work.
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Now now. She spent years earning that knowing mien. Respect.
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Oh that’s ridiculous keyboard jockeying.
The young girl that Nickolson had justed dating in the flick was a solid 8. Maybe and 8.5.
Most of the 20 something to mid 30’s women portrayed in Hollywood as hot are 8’s or 9’s with a good number of 10s as well.
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The truth itself is not distorted, the perception of it is. I am not a relativist by any stretch.
Yes, Keats was an innocent, and we would do well to recover our innocence as we have tipped the scales too far on the side of cynicism. We are sarcastic because we are cowards. Earnestness is the mark of a rube to the provincially “cosmopolitan” hags who have taken over the commanding heights of our culture.
The irony is (and o how the weak worship their irony), the least mature adults see a return to innocence as a threat. They are just escaping the fetters of their childhood and cannot fathom the benefit of anything that faintly smells of school daze. The recently “liberated” from mommy and daddy are the most fiercely jealous about maintaining the mediocre status quo between youth and adulthood.
Return again and again to the bedrock assertion of all philosophy: All I know is I know nothing. Once you believe yourself wizened you freeze your development in place; after all, we do not explore those things we are sure we already know. “Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.”
The single most important skill I gained from my education was the ability to be naïve on command. To be alert to the obvious. To readily admit ignorance. To be curious and overawed like a newborn. To ask the stupid question. To be confident in the utility of innocence so that I could cease wasting energy pretending I am wise. I approach each object with fresh eyes, I retain the novelty and surprise of every moment I still draw breath, and I thereby discover wisdom the jaded no longer can see. We don’t get old, we just get impatient. Today I am here, I am alive, I have strength. So easy to forget just how improbable that fact is.
Rejoice always,
pray constantly,
give thanks in all circumstances.
Matt
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How do you game a rube?…….Rubik’s Cube. (yuk yuk)
“I am not a relativist by any stretch.” Glad to hear it. Monarchs rarely are.
Ah, yes, the vital importance of being Earnest. Innoncence is actually quite powerful. Many will do much to protect it. Perhaps only the “old” can embrace it and revel in the fun of feeling like twelve year olds?
I do like to take breaks in my education, to enjoy what I have learned, but, you’re right, the progress must continue. And it is true that one can be too haught.
I am always glad to have a reminder to be thankful because sometimes I do get forgetful. If anyone is interested in an awesome book, check out Alive by Piers Paul Read. Its the story of the Andes survivors and it is quite inspirational. One of my most prized possessions is an email from Nando Parrado, one of the two men who climbed out of the mountains to help rescue the others. Thinking of him and/or getting the stomach flu always give me a fresh appreciation for the blessing of life.
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That’s beautiful. I’ve been a fan of your posts for a while, Matt.
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Matthew
Are you really in high school?
God, you know so much more than me! And I am 10 years older. I have some catching up to do.
Dove
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Brains are sexy.
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Tens are not “subjective.” They are universally acknowledged as unimprovable
That’s nonsense. All 10 means is the best female at that particular point in time(even 10’s go down in rank as they age).It doesn’t mean tey are perfect but simply the top.The criteria used to judge their rank would be a consensus of experienced men’s opinions on what constitutes a quality female.Eperts do the rating not inexperienced horny boys with little taste. You rate females the same way an expert would rate a dog in a dogshow (looks, temperament, gait, intelligence, obedience,agility etc etc) or a figure skater is rated. An amateur who knows nothing about dogs would just think they’re all the same and would not see the subtle differences in the top dog category or why one figure skater is better than another.
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Beauty isn’t a competitive skill like figure skating, and this isn’t a dog show. Who are these experts, and by what objective standard do they separate the very good from “the best female at that particular point”? Can there be only one ten?
Your panel of experts sounds like the E! Fashion Police. The 1-10 scale is based on consensus subjective opinion which yields a rough objectivity at critical mass, not Joan Rivers and a phalanx of queers pronouncing official judgment we rubes “with little taste” are too “horny” to understand.
My point about the objectivity of tens was that it required unanimity (an objective standard) rather than acclamation. If one dissenter can articulate a reasonable case for improvement, the girl is not perfect, no matter what your gizmos and calipers say about her earlobes. It’s easier to make a case about “reasonable objections” with a jury of peers than to submit our judgment in toto to a panel of unreasonably appointed (self-declared?) “experts,” Barack.
Matt
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Who are these experts, and by what objective standard
The experts are older eperienced and discriminating men like myself not 20 something virgins or almost virgins. And you have no idea what you’re talking about kid because we can classify females. You just can’t because you’re a little boy.
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Do you even know what a peer is? Aside from that I can see that you’re one of these proles who doesn’t like the idea of there being experts whether it is about female quality or anything else because then an amateur like yourself’s opinion would mean nothing. Well there are experts whether you like it or not and it’s simply not a matter of what you think or prefer. There are eperts who can judge boing matches and eperts like me who can judge wines. Giving a 10 doesn’t mean perfection, it just means the highest score.
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No, toolio. Men with no sense of independence rely on the expertocracy to define all the standards for them. You imagine some experts are outside the cave, more proximate to the platonic form of beauty than others, and that we should be impressed by their proximity and rumor rather than by their ability to articulate a standard.
Beauty by definition inspires a universal reaction. It is not the possession of those with specialized eyes. “Beauty is that which when perceived, pleases.” One cannot be greater or lesser experts in what pleases an individual. And we can be reasonably certain by simple deduction that beauty is objective because certain images please more than others, and unanimously.
The three characteristics of beauty are: 1) integrity/wholeness, 2) proportion/harmony, and 3) brilliance/clarity. Infants respond to these qualities, not just Joan Rivers and “The Whammer.”
We arrive at truth through observation, contemplation, and dialectic, not reputation and credential. You have exposed yourself as an instrument of your betters — a tool — by deferring what authority you have to some imaginary expertocracy rather than speaking directly about the standard yourself. Because you have no ability to speak of it.
A ten on a scale of one to ten cannot be flawed, or else the extremities of the scale are meaningless, and you’re Spinal Tap turning it up to eleven.
Matt
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“i say this because men who have the requisite horniness and game to diligently pursue and bed 7s and 8s also have enough hormonal surge to push them, regretfully, into the occasional dumpster dive.”
Truth. last month on a vegas trip I pulled an exotic dancer who was a solid 8. but the next night, I banged a 4 (she was 40+ and chubby) who waylaid me on the street as I was stumbling home drunk after striking out at a nightclub. I was alone when she approached me, so I said, “fuck it, why not?” the next morning, I lied to my friends and told them I was gambling the whole time.
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Ahh, I’m coming to like these plunges into sexual scholasticism.
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math. boring.
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subjective and silly. salacious.
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My hamster and I are curious. I’m going to assume that, on occasion, you scholars of sensuality pursue your studies together. When you do, do you ever find yourselves disagreeing on a woman’s “score”? And if so, are you ever off by more than a point?
I’m wondering to what extent the universal standards of beauty–which science has indeed proven to exist–are influenced by individual preference. Say, can a predilection for redheads cause one man to insist that the redhead his friends have decided is a 6 is in fact an 8?
My male friends, who are usually quite forthcoming with me, are sketchy about this one. I have heard them parroting lines like “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,” and so on, and I suspect they are bullshitting me despite the fact that I am careful not to frame the question so that their answer would seem to have anything to do with me.
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You talk like a 6.
Be glad if guys call you a 7.
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Determining a woman’s SMV via textual analysis. Now THAT’s a blog post I’d like to read.
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BMI, waist-hip ratio, and cup size will pretty much objectively cover a woman’s body rating. Very rare for guys to disagree on facial beauty. Tough to pin facial beauty to a numerical score, but there’s a broad consensus as to whether a girl is cute or not in the face. And the face/hair score is secondary to the body score. If a girl has a rocking body, a cute face is going to be perceived as a perfect 10 face. If a girl is a little chubby with the same pretty face, she’ll be rated as a 5 or 6, with a decent face.
Amongst guys, I don’t hear many arguments about a woman being either a 6 or 8. There are arguments about 6s or 7s, or 5s or 6s, but i’ve never heard two men being that far off. In fact, I don’t recall hearing too many disputes between 7s and 8s. There is something about an 8 that is clearly hot to all guys, while a bit more subjectivity in 6s and 7s.
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That’s very interesting. Perhaps someone can weigh in on this one, then: Over the course of a business dinner that wound up turning into a drunken shitshow, I had three colleagues rate me as a 5, a 7, and a 9.
(Later that evening, the one who rated me a 5 made a very clumsy, drunken pass at me.) That experience got the hamster spinning so hard I had to feed him extra alfalfa for days.
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Give me height/weight and I can probably give you a better idea, but it sounds like you are probably in the 6 range. What is your best physical feature and what needs the most work (or is otherwise the worst feature)?
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5’5″, 118, 18% body fat. (Thanks, Paleo and yoga!)
I’m very fit, but having my body fat that low means I have A cups. The upside of that is that my ass is in great shape.
As far as my face, I’ve got those chiseled, low-digit-ratio features. But the hamster just passed me a note and wants me to tell you that it’s more Jodie Foster than it is Sigourney Weaver. I’m not hard to look at. I’m…kind of handsome.
My suspicion is that I am in fact a 6 who is benefiting from grade inflation because I haven’t let myself get fat. I also think Mr. You’re A Five is a breast man, Mr. You’re a Seven is an ass man, and Mr. You’re A Nine was white-knighting.
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How old are you? Sounds like you have a good handle on where you rate. Go with hair and makeup techniques to soften your facial features and you could easily be a high 7, assuming you’re not post-menopausal.
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RD
You haven’t mentioned your legs.
How do men rate them? That is pretty important.
Dove
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You are right. You are not a 9. Tight bod, nice ass, man face, you are a 6. You can be a 7 with long hair, makeup, and a sweet dispositon.
How many partners have you had?
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Jacques, if men rate her legs well, that would help, wouldn’t it? She hasn’t reported on her legs.
I suppose more partners is worse. I wish my count was a bit lower.
Dove
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How often is your ass visible? You’re probably a 6 with an 8 ass which makes you a 7 sometimes on a good day.
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You’re a 3
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You’re probably a 5, and got rated as a 7 then 9 as the beer goggles got stronger.
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alfALPHA?
Couldn’t help myself! =D
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I think preference for type tends to cut in mostly in the 8 and north areas. Though preference for redheads can raise a girl from a 6 to he honestly thinks 7 in his own eyes. Falling in love with a particular girl can do the same thing.
Who guys will call 10s as opposed to 9’s does I think have a whole lot to do with the guy’s ideosyncratic preferences and some guys only want to say that there are something like only 20 10s in the world, or none, which I think is rather pointless.
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Concur. My scale:
10 – Fucking immortal. Darn near non-existent. Quite possible, unless you live in NY or LA to go your whole life without seeing one in person. Think Sophia Loren, Raquel Welch, or Monica Belucci in their primes.
9 – Undeniably gorgeous.
8 – Undeniably very attractive.
7 – Undeniably attractive.
6 – Attractive
5 – Attractive with the beer goggles on.
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Pretty similar to my scale. I’m not quite as restrictive with tens though. If we like we could have tens and high tens,with the later being your 10. (btw, I’d only give Raquel Welsh a 9, possibly 9.5. Killer bod. Gorgeous but not incredibly so face. Too masculine a face for me.
I consider Kim Kardashian a 10 or did when she was 27 and 28. She’s got a 10.5 body, though she’s too short, and a 10 face, though admittedly I like her raven haired Mediterranean beauty look. I do wish she was smarter though and hadn’t been raised in and remain deeply influenced by such a matriarchal family. She’s probably got a 100 IQ. Though part of that is that she wants to be girly.
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For some reason, I can’t reply to all the nested replies to me above. Must be a WordPress thing. @Cooing Dove: My legs are as good as a woman my height can hope for. You don’t get really awesome legs until you’re at least 5’7″, in my opinion. @jacques: I do wear my hair very long and I know what to do with makeup.
Disposition? That’s where the LDR really kicks in. I’m basically a dude. I hunt, I shoot, I drink scotch neat, I smoke cigars, I tell filthy misogynist jokes. I don’t giggle; I don’t squeal; I don’t coo at babies. If you say something funny, you’ll get a throaty chuckle and maybe a high-five. If you met me, I doubt you’d want to sleep with me. You may well want to be my buddy, though. I’m fun.
As Heartiste has pointed out, to my gratitude, it appears I was born this way.
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“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,”
Only if you have beer goggles on or are deluded like that guy in Shallow Hal or are under the influence of the drug, Testosterone, and are 20. But that would be sort of like asking an alcoholic to rate different wines.
In reality though any ordinary young slim female is as good as any other to fuck..
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Cooking and laundry for a man in an LTR should count for something.
I guess I am a 6 or 7. Under 30. Not fat. Leggy. With an OK face.
Dove
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Height/weight?
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Sidewinder, since you demand it, I am 5 foot 9 like I said before. I would rather not give my weight, but lets just say thin and very flexible (!)
Is there anything else Sir would like to know?
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I don’t recall asking about flexibility but whatever. You are tall, but not too tall. I would say your height is neutral. Being thin with an ok face probably puts you in the 6 to 7 range. Impossible for me to be more accurate without seeing you, but I will tell you that generally speaking, the difference between 6 and 7 is often something you have some control over.
Given your height and healthy weight yet modest self-assessment, it sounds like you need to do some work on your look (makeup/hair/dress). Very subtle things can bring a girl up from a 6 to a 7. Know which clothing styles flatter your figure. Focus on using makeup to make your eyes and mouth appear sexier. If your teeth are messed up, get invisalign. And feminine personality traits can go a long way. I think you are probably under-selling yourself and could be making a better effort. I would expect a slender girl under 30 to be a 7.
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Maybe I could do more with myself. You get a bit lazy in an LTR.
I do play up my good features. Legs, interesting colouring (pale skin brunette). I think I have a compliant, slightly submissive style some men like.
My bloke likes a lot of makeup, so I already do that. When we go out, I usually wear short skirts most of the year. Sydney is pretty warm.
Like I said, I cook, do laundry, clean, so I think my guy does OK. Not married yet.
I am not ugly. Just average for a girl my age. Smallish boobs, leggy.
Anyway, thanks Sidewinder. Frank advice from men is always welcome.
Thanks again.
Dove
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Sidewinder, I wasn’t trying to be cheeky about the flexible thing. I thought it would give you a laugh.
Dove
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I’d guess you’re a 6.5, with a great playfully but not doormat submissive nature.
You sound delightful for many men for a wife. I’d guess you’re a good bet for that. given anglosphere incredibly tilted divorce laws esp. in family courts administration, I’d require a prenup that more or less mimicked living together in the event of a divorce.
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doug1111
Thank you. Approval means a lot to me. I really hope that by doing a lot for my fellow he will eventually want to make it more formal. I think we are suited.
Playfully submissive sounds about right.
I do like men. So many girls seem to resent guys these days. I have never got that.
I can live with 6.5. I might have been a 7 five years ago. I guess it depends whether you like “tits and ass”, or long legs.
Thanks again.
Dove
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I was gonna say too. American men seem to really like big tits. Aussie guys seem to be a bit less fascinated by boobs. A bit …
Dove
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We have to see the face.
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You’re 14 stone
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@Dove,
What are your vital stats?
Hour glass figures – LOW Waist To Hip Ratio – get a bonus with me?
Also, baby gotta have back!
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Sorry, That Guy. Good legs but not busty. Small ass.
“Tight and neat” he calls me.
Dove
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@Dove,
So you’ve probably got a little more testosterone swimming around than some girls – that would give you the more “athletic” figure you describe, and give you added horniness and risk-taking propensity – nice!
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Clever. Yes, I like to take risks sometimes. Very exciting with a man.
And yeah I get horny. I have been told I think about sex a bit like a man.
I like men. A man’s woman.
Still thinking about that skirt thing!
Dove
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I have an OK face, like I said. But he says that “you don’t look at the mantelpiece when you are poking the fire”. Old saying.
And his friends rate my legs good, he told me.
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The fragile vase of a so called soul mate sits upon a sturdy table of empty balls and a full stomach. What has led so many women to think that dogs do tricks without dog food? They expect these starving dogs to jump through flaming hoops of fat and stubborn ass?
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You know I have a suspicion that historically speaking(and genetically) its better 1000 1s than 1 10, and its a recent thing that humans have restraint…if you look at latin cultures that generally have less or no restraint, you f#$K anything that moves. I was chatting with one old guy about women, and then he kind of lowered his in a conspiratorial tone..and says..but between men..there doesnt exist the ugly woman! I had to disagree, but I’ve known plenty of alpha men who chased anything that moved, they seemed to have a blindness or a tolerance..kind of interesting the mentality.
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Yes, this squares with my experience over the years of guys who really got a lot. Some of them would bone anything that was available.
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I think the best measure of a guys sexual (not marriage or LTR) market value is the average of the hottest 3 girls he’s ever been able to shag for casual quick sex, or sex she had no assurance wouldn’t be just that rather than an LTR.
One girl can be a fluke, her being in a rebound vulnerable place, very tipsy and so on.
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I’m a girl. How does a female get an honest approximation of her 1-10 attractiveness ranking, if even ugly girls get a ton of male attention? I feel like most girls think they’re at least a 7.
[heartiste: ugly girls don’t get a ton of attention, and you’re probably not a girl. stop trolling.]
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lol what? I am totally a girl. And I’m not trying to troll…I am legitimately interested in this stuff. Whatever.
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If you’re legitimately interested, I’d suggest you post a photo and take a modal average. You sound concerned with where you rank, so I’m guessing you’re probably young. It should be easy for you to tell what guys think of you. Read the eyes, the eyes don’t lie. As far as where other girls perceive you, I know it’s confusing as hell. But it really doesn’t matter. Once you reach a certain age, though, you’ll look back on your h.s. yearbook differently. Girls I secretly thought were butt ugly or plain don’t look that bad now years later, even though my assessment seemed valid at the time.
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I am mostly interested in the concept of self-delusion and objective vs subjective reality. I happened across this blog awhile back and initially thought that it was complete shit, but I read it and realized that my perception of my motivations really was deluded. It was fascinating. It is just intriguing to me that most people consider themselves to be above average when it’s statistically impossible…
And sure, I am interested about my ranking for curiosity’s sake but I am hesitant to post my picture to the internet, in case anyone I know reads this blog…that would be embarassing. Anyway, I am married so it is not really a huge concern. I’m pretty sure that I have a grasp on my relative rank- multiple people have told me that I look exactly like one of the Urban Outfitters models on their website…tall, skinny, pale, long hair, pretty but not hot? But then I wonder, am I deluded? The deluded don’t know they’re deluded.
Also, I am definitely not trying to troll. I didn’t think I posted enough to qualify as a troll and I’ve only tried to contribute when it was about something that I knew enough to speak about intelligently (although the ‘intelligently’ part probably didn’t come through). I will just go back to lurking if I’m just being annoying
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Hi sally. You sound like you did social sciences. Yes?
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sally
We just don’t have ratings out of 10 in Australia. We have gotten, chick, ass (instead of arse), broad from America recently. Lots more of course. I think boobs went to the US from the UK.
TV does this and now the Internet.
Anyway, tall, pale, thin, short hair.
Dove
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What was wrong with your perception of your motivations?
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As an alpha or maybe better lesser alpha guy who’s loyal to his gf who you know but he doesn’t know you very well. Ask him to tell you the truth.
Girls who are fives and up get lots of attention from at least some guys. 4’s who aren’t fat get some. 3’s on down, not.
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*ask an alpha
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1 hideous (google cigstach)
2 unfortunate
3 next
4 a bit frumpy, meh (Dunnham in HBO’s new Girls)
5 average, plain, not bad looking
6 cute
7 pretty
8 very pretty, beautiful (Amy Smart, most good looking Hollywood actresses before they age.)
9 very beautiful, gorgeous.
10 world class beauty. The type of 9 the guy likes most. Beautiful in a very interesting way. (Monica Bellucci as a model in her 20s; Morena Baccarin, the elite courtesan in the scify series Firefly; Adriana Lima; Miranda Kerr; Charlize Theron in Woody Allen’s Celebrity, but not since Monster, Bollywood’s, and some Hollywood’s Ash Rai; Rebecca Romijin, )
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Post a pic on roosh forum. Pretend to be a guy asking for an honest rating of the last girl he banged.
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that’s easy. post your pic, and we’ll let you know.
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What about men like myself, who only have fetish sex?
Trust me here, you got to have some first-rate game to sit there and look a girl straight in the eyes and tell her how you plan to paddle her ass until it’s good and pink. Then, how you plan to play doctor and do anal exams and enemas with her.
Not only have I done this with attractive women, but I have converted them into the fetish so thoroughly that it quickly becomes the only type of sex that they want to have too.
Plain sex is like bread and water. Week-old bread, and luke-warm water. If I had to, I guess I could make do with it. But, I certainly am not going to be happy to settle for that for very long.
All new women that I meet expect to receive an erotic spanking. The nervous fear and sense of anticipation that they feel makes the sex so exciting that it’s almost like they are having sex for the very first time again.
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I like a good spanking as much as the next girl, but not sure about the rest of it.
And the only anal probing my man has done has been with his cock.
Dove
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Haiku
Go to fuck,
miss by an inch,
Anal.
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5-7-5, dearie.
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What do you mean, Greg?
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Haiku, baby… some rules aren’t meant to be broken.
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OK. Thanks, Greg. I’ll look up the rules.
Thanks again.
Dove
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We started to fuck
He slipped down by an inch
I’m so anal.
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pdwalker
LOL.
The story of my life!
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I found a good erotic haiku on the Web.
blowjob
she kneels
in Prada.
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Yer welcome. Just remember, 5-7-5 and make the last line a punch line.
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erotic blowjob
she kneels wearing 5 inch heels
dressed in Prada
(second line “she kneels in heels” depending on kneels/heels being pronounced as 2 syllables)
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pdwalker
I don’t think I could give a blowjob in 5 inch heels! I don’t think I own a pair that high. I don’t really need more height being a bit tall for a girl.
Trying to imagine it. Oh, you meant kneel. I could do that, but not squat in such high heels.
Dove
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One man used to get me to kind of crouch. Quite uncomfortable. He was a bastard, looking back.
Dove
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Anal, given its proximity to another spelunking opportunity, is just a mystery to me. Its a choice between prying a man hole cover in Cleveland vs a tour of the Skocjan Caves. I mean, the other option is right there and without the risk of traffic violations or the santorum. I just don’t get it. While I may appreciate the submissive willingness to do so, I would tell her to stay her anus like Abraham did for Isaac. My cock likes the landing lights and fire trucks of the pussy. Ya’ll can ride those fan boats in a swamp without me.
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chi-town, you have a real way with words. Some of you guys on this blog are really clever. I am learning a lot just hanging around.
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I do consider Heartiste to be a great guild of word blacksmith, a voulge against SWPL, or in other cases exemplified by GBFM, junk art sculpture of phallus(meant as a compliment).
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Yes, and credit to you men. Much better than boring feminists.
Dove
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I know exactly what you mean by the santorum. I found it disgusting to have all that pouring out of me afterwards in the bathroom. Like I said, it has a major downside. I think my men found it disgusting too. It spoils the afterglow, that is for sure.
I wish I was witty, but at least I can enjoy you guys. So clever.
Dove
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The submission is hot.
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So, yeah, the submission with anal is hot. But I can enjoy submission in other better ways. These days I just spend a couple of minutes on my knees sucking his cock before the main event. And, morally, he wants to finish in my vagina these days. So, not really a blowjob. But a little bit of cock worship. Very satisfying. He can then finish me off with his cock in my puss.
Dove
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Re: James Bond, I found this very insightful “And science agrees: handsome men are the best at identifying who is attracted to them.” How many times has someone crashed and burned on a pickup or whatever by misjudging attraction. Or think of cringeworthy comedies where some tool proposes way too early versus movies where two crazy kids in love totally get each other and elope.
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To be honest, I have a hard time with 10s and 9s’. Because every now and then, an 11 shows up somewhere, and I have to start the freaking system all over. Shades of Spinal Tap, maybe I will switch my personal system to just include an 11.
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move to LA
– they all think
they’re 12’s there
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I’d say on the 13th floor.
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George Carlin: I never had a 10, but one night I fucked five 2s.
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She told me to give her 10 inches and make it hurt. So I fucked her twice and punched her in the face.
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Since february, I’ve fucked a 44 year old 7.5, a 24 year old spanish broad who is a 9 facially and a little big bummed, so a 7, a 36 year old 6 on a good day, and. 40 year old 6. I put in Zero effort on any if them, I like to drink and I work too much. I used little game because I’m too lazy and I have a 2 year old daughter out of wedlock with a former 10 who’s now a 39 year old 8 who recently married a man 8 years younger than her. I don’t give a shit anymore really. I’m a burned out former lesser Alpha I suppose. And I’ve waisted the better part of 20 years trying to make a few relationships work…. So really I’ve been duped in my life.
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“My husband sets me a £250 allowance each month for my wardrobe, I ask his permission before booking a hair appointment and discuss with him what I will have done.
He even has an opinion — which I adhere to — on how I dress and what I weigh. He prefers I wear classic ladylike attire and, at 5ft 11in, he insists I tip the scale at no more than 10½ stone. In fact, he’s there when I weigh myself. ”
“Reading all this, it might surprise you to learn I started out as a strident career woman. My formative years were during Thatcher’s Eighties. Being a kept housewife was out; becoming a financially independent career girl was in.
I even found myself a younger, prettier husband — one who earned less than I did. At the time of my first marriage, in my early 30s, I was working as a successful TV boss on a six-figure salary and turning over millions of pounds each year. I wore the trousers in the office and at home, and enjoyed it — for a while.”
It’s the lady who recently wrote that women hate her for being beautiful, and she also wrote about how she went crazy managing an all-female workplace.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2147212/Samantha-Brick-Independence-A-career-Who-needs-A-husband-prizes-looks-key.html
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I guess she came to her senses in the end.
Nothing wrong with asking for a man’s permission!
And I would not want to manage other women. Yuk.
Dove
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5’11” is a wooki
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From what you lot have said, It seems to me there is an implicit notable distinction between a 7 and an 8 — what would you guys describe a 7? An 8?
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7 – pretty girl. Healthy weight. Feminine.
8 – stop-and-take-notice attractive. Not necessarily the hottest girl one has ever seen, but a girl with a body that causes an immediate sexual response in men. 7s and even 6s can have nice bodies or attractive features that grab the attention, but an 8 is all-around beautiful. Vast majority of men and women acknowledge as “hot”.
Men may differ between 7s and 8s when looking at photos, but when at the pool, most men can agree who is a 7 and who is an 8.
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Love the post
Think it’s time to fine tune the dating assessment to match
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A Beta once spoke of 10s that he
Would bang in the ass, he was chatty —
Twas’ nothing but lies
And we learned — no surprise —
That he married a hideous fatty.
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And speaking of Twas’:
The Pan Am coffee is all gone… but there’s still plenty of TWA tea.
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HAHAHAHA!
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Limericks >>>> haiku any day.
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Afreed.
An hypergamous young lady in France,
One boarded a train in a trance,
Two alphas f*cked her,
While the beta conductor,
Looked on and shot twice in his pants.
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OMG, I hope these keep up.
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Greg, that is very clever.
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An unusual poster named Greg,
Rather than post, made a limerick instead,
The girls said “Well I never,
heard something ever so clever!
Can you make those rhymes here in my bed?”
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There once was a queen named Kate,
who, sadly, had no one to date.
They called her manjaw,
so she summoned a saw,
and now her looks are first rate!
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A mathematician named Paul,
Had the largest cock of ’em all!
The cube of its weight,
Plus its length times eight,
Was his number, so give him a call.
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There was a young girl who begat,
Triplets named Nat, Pat, and Tat,
It was hard in the breeding,
And harder in feeding,
When she found there was no tit for Tat.
/I got a million of ’em
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That’s the beauty of limericks.
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LMTO!!!!!
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The dashing young poet McNamitter
Had a tool of prodigious diameter,
But it wasn’t his size
That the ladies most prized,
‘Twas his rhythm, iambic pentameter.
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With alternating syllables stressed,
my, were they ever impressed.
They would “ooh” at the sound
and “ah” all around,
and soon find that they were undressed.
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There once was a lad from Australia,
Who painted his arse like a dahlia,
The color was fine,
As was the design,
But the aroma… oooh, that was a failure!
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Heartiste, I beseech thee… if anyone posts the one about the dead whore in a cave, lower the ban hammer!
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Last one… at least for today:
A horny young woman named Alice,
Used a dynamite stick for a phallus,
They found her vagina
In North Carolina,
And her buttocks at Buckingham Palace.
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tmm;dr
(too much math; didn’t read)
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If you are a guy and you are a “2” looks wise, what is the matter with being with 5s? If you are a guy dating up by more than 2 points then you are doing some things right.
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that shit was funny as fuck good post
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i still say alpha of the universe is telling a chick to jump off a cliff and she does it
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Thulsa Doom. Alpha?
Couldn’t find this clip in English but oh well.
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I enjoyed the post.
***
Once-a-month married sex with a 9 Once-a-day married sex with a 7
****
Polite-fully and mildly disagree.
Few men have sexed a 9, however it seems it would be rough as all hell not to get laid but once a month. Intolerable even. Every day with a 7 sounds like a better lifestyle.
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ehh, strike that, on second thought, Heartiste is right. It’s still more alpha to sex once a month with a 9, than sex every day with a 7. Even if it’s not a better lifestyle, its still more alpha.
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If you’re having once-a-month married sex with a 9, you need to learn game and up it to once a day.
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If you’re having once-a-month married sex with a 9, you need to find the other man and crack his skull open.
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You can crack a new guy’s skull every week, or crack hers once.
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After 1 cranium crushing she gets a boot in the ass and you find another 9.
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Not giving a shit about the “number” of your women – more manly than all this thing. What is “alpha”? Troll that needs to brag about the “number” of his woman? Or the man that has his way with women?
10 is not objective category but I have fucked my share of models. But there is NOTHING manly in this one. And sure there is nothing “alpha” in this as well. I simply happened to be good looking as a young man. Is this something that should be the goal of our lives, guys? Are we nothing more than a moving dicks?
According to my point of view – the core concept with women is control. To be able to have women you like on your terms. She may be a 5 or 10, it DOES NOT matter as far as she is the women you honestly WANT and is serving YOUR purpose, not the other way. Strong man is living by HIS terms and do not give a shit to ANYTHING else.
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gregg, so very true. A girl should work to help a man. Not the other way. She should be useful to him.
Dove
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Applause!
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Glad you agree, Geisha.
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I understand the use of the number system for discussion purposes and entertainment value, but to actually tell a girl her number or to seek an assignment of a number is not alpha/alphette. If you are passing the erection test for men you are interested in, that’s pretty much all that matters. Just make sure you keep it up 🙂 By it I mean your looks, and, er, you know.
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We don’t have the number system much in Oz, Geisha.
Dove
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What is Lady Gaga? A 5?
I work in an environment with 50 guys to 5 women and a total workforce of 600, we have the total spectrum from 9s to 1s and I can honestly say anything below a 4 gets no attention.
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Don’t you think she is a bit cute?
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NO.
honestly, i’ve seen cuter trannies than her.
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Lady Gaga is without makeup and presentation a 5.
However she does those two EXTREMELY well.
She does manage to make herself into a sex bitch in the young public imagination.
She is very image creative, and reasonably musically so.
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Thank you, doug1111.
I think she is quite cute and I think a lot of men agree.
She is stunning to watch. Great presentation, like you say.
Dove
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ain’t gaga a lesi she a 0
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Not related to game but;
New study published on fertility awareness among American university students
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-05/cu-nsp050712.php
At last, scientists are illuminating the lies of the feminist establishment.
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Why, in 40 years, you’ll even be able to refute child-custody payments – if it’s genetically PROVEN to not be your kid!
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life is cruel to everyone in some way i guess huh
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Calling that girl a 2 is ridiculous keyboard pretense. She’s at least a 7.5, probably an 8. I’d like to see more pics and a frontal. Real cute ass.
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ummmm……it was a joke?
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sssssh! Don’t let him in on it. Let him figure it out for himself.
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Ok, played most likely.
But stuff not that much more extreme than that does occur on these sites. By keyboard jockeys.
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I love the bow on the back of her panties. Like she is a present to be opened.
Dove
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@YaReally,
Awesome – captures the “Keyboard Alpha” mentality so well.
Reminds me of a guy I knew years ago, who said he broke up with his girlfriend coz she gained 3 Lbs…
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I took it to be a satirical pic of what would happen if men thought like women in qualifying mates.
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It represents how everyone on this thread sounds and how retarded pointless e-penis comparisons like this are.
The only guys who compare belt notches are the guys who determine their self-worth by them.
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The original purpose of the HB1-10 system wasn’t for bragging rights and gay “I banged 3 HB11s so my opinion is more important than yours because you’ve only banged 12 HB4s”
It was a method of conveying data to other PUAs to put the field reports or techniques in context. ie – an HB6 responds to negs differently than an HB9 who responds differently than an HB10. A lot of times descriptions involved what the guy would rate her and how she rated herself (“an HB6 who thinks she’s an HB9”). The social dynamics involved in approaching and working a 2-set of an HB6 and HB5 are different than approaching a 2-set of an HB9 and HB3.
Why did we need this method of conveying data? Because we were breaking down social interactions and progressing pickup knowledge instead of sitting around comparing e-penis stats like today’s keyboard jockeys do.
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I’m still waiting for the punk ass who’s gonna call you a keyboard jockey.
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The schematics of this post is futile… A post delving into what gregg stated would be more progressive for an alpha state of mind/being.
Don’t pedestal the pussy, gents.
Cheers.
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This is some seriously aspie shit. Wow.
You can go ahead and claim “this is for the aspies among us” but only a fucking aspie would have bothered to write out that list to begin with.
Was it really necessary to explain that 30 5s > 100 4s? And then reiterate the point a million times down the spectrum?
Fucking nerrrrrdssss.
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Pfff. This post reeks of elitism. “I’m a wealthy, good looking “top male” who bangs lots of world class 10’s and you are just an average looking male who makes a pitiful working class salary who has only access to local 7’s and 8’s and therefore I’m a better man than you!
What a crock.
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Elistism is a bad thing? A crock how?
I understand that people dislike comparisons as those who compare unfavorably can feel bad about it.
But comparisons are a time honored motivator, and grading well on the curve also makes a person feel good.
I can’t see it as a useful strategy to pooh pooh the whole grading curve as “elitist”. Kinda silly.
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Why? Because most of the shit I’m reading here is based on stuff a man has absolutely zero control over as in you are either born with it or not. I refuse to accept a social outlook that tells me that my worth as a man is decided by the looks and/or opportunities I was born with/without and that even with solid game, I can only improve my social worth as a man a few points up or down.
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You refuse to accept it. Does that mean you are doing something to change that reality, or does it mean that you refuse to accept reality?
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It’s fate. You can refuse all you like but people pretty much end up in life as they began with only rare exceptions. And in general you may only be able to improve a bit and will likely go down further.
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I mean that is basically telling guys who were born in the middle of the bell curve that they are useless POS’s who are better off going their own way.
That helps men as a whole how? This obviously isn’t about helping men as a whole improve themselves, its about lording a mythical superiority over men perceived as “lesser”.
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Hi, first time commenter and long time reader,
I’m a 21 years old university student
I would like to know some relevent blogs pertaining to developping my aloof games with some visual exemples.
I choose aloof game because I am not that talkative but my confidence is quite respectable. From my little experience I got a chance to bed 16 year old 9 when I was in high school because of my past time of reading books and occasionally participating in social activity (not a habit) and being the best dancer of the whole school.(nerd who how to dance naturally and I’m Black !!!LOLOLOL). My teacher at that time told me that sometime girls like mystery. In short I think i’m a natural aloof gamer but how can I tell when I have to shift gears? From passive to active without setting up the SHIELD???
Help me out here coz I need it, since ass-hole game is too energy consuming (can pull it off but i’m lazy so….)
You can destroy me, probe my game, hate my guts and that’s will only make me stronger.
or
Playing your soft side: Please help this young Padawan
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I’m sure uh, john norman howard or greg elliott will be pleased to help you.
Stay tuned.
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A non-sensical retort from a non-white and a non-entity. Fail more, A non-
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I’m seriously about done with your white supremacy garbage. This is a GAME website, Mr Eliot. It ain’t the John Birch Society. Men are here to learn about what makes women tick beneath their melatonin — ALL women.
Non-white does not mean non-entity; welcome to the 21st century. You’ve got a chip on your shoulder the size of Cleveland, and it’s really sick.
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omg jasons a racist.
Why are you racist jason that is sick
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Jason, I told you once already to quit stalking me… when I want to hear from an asshole, I’ll fart.
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The status of men must be raised. That is the best way to help all men, not just the top ones.
Dove
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You’re a good one.
And I say that if I do so myself as an alpha.
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Doug1111
Thank you, Kind Sir.
Dove
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Very good! Beta males do not have to exist, except relative to their superiors and situationally within context. Beta males fetishize their weakness, claim it a strength, and allow it to define them. More women have to call them out on it. (But they’re too busy taking advantage of this temporary bout of social insanity.)
Matt
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King A or Matt, whichever you prefer,
In a healthy society, women would look up to most men, including betas.
Dove
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I prefer King Matthew the Priapic.
Kneel before the scepter.
[heartiste: will there be a ritual bloodletting in 12 hours’ time when the pain of your turgid burden becomes too great?]
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I kneel before your manly scepter.
Dove
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! Not one drop shall fall from this magnificent vessel!
*throws herself upon King A in manner of Pocohontas*
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Turgid Burden is the name of my choir group at church. (A capella, of course — accompaniment is too arousing.)
Sorry to tease, ladies. I’m saving myself for Lolo Jones.
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A girl can still dream.
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How ya gonna catch her? 😉
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Bait her with watermelon. And close with arugula.
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lol- I just saw this. Well, King, I have tried to find you and have not been successful, and its simply unbecoming a lady to chase someone around the internet, and, really, my mental state is not up to the task. Online trickery is something I’ve had more than enough experience with.
It was upon hearing your words (though I didn’t know that they were yours at the time) that I was drawn to this site. Upon reading some of the archives, I was particularly impressed with your early interactions with Maya. carolyn can perhaps attest that I was asking for you because she suggested you had given up posting for Lent. It was at some point after that that I discovered you were the author of that Comment of the Week post that originally caught my attention.
It really is time for me to be moving along. I do not have a skype account, but you can reach me at geisha.kate@yahoo.com I will probably be able to recognize you by your style, but in case anyone decides to go for their advanced degree in trollery, it would be best if you could devise some way for authenticating yourself.
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Your authentication code is “3D”
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It’s more fun for the rest of, and probably you two too, if you flirt quite a bit more blatantly on Heartiste’s before taking it off here but still online. That’s what London Bhetti and I did back in the day, when this place was named something else and located somewhere somewhat different. Mostly got encouragement, some catcalls. But the crowd has changed somewhat. For the worse if you ask me, but there’s probably at least a bit of an “old timers” “the originals” thing going on there.
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@Geisha,
Try here:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/matt-king/a/558/b5b
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I hope you’re joking, That Guy. Either way its a needless breach of somebody’s privacy. I’m out.
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His email is king1xa@yahoo.com.
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@Geisha,
Why would I imagine anyone is stupid enough to post under their real name on the Internet?! I mean seriously…
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If you are horny enough your scale start from 2 and ends at 12
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Why work your ass off for gold stickers when I can buy them at the store?
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[…] […]
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Is it alpha to have 20-year-old 9+ stripper standing on your front porch pounding on the door yelling “I know you’re in there, asshole!” ?
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Yeah.
However, it would be borderline superalpha if she was not a stripper.
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Strippers are for omega nerds who put dollars in their g string.
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Not joking: I´m about to debut a 18yo virgin HB4. I´m 29. How many points does her clitoris adds to the bill?
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carioca
Do you mean her hymen?
Losing that was a big deal for me. I had a tough hymen and it hurt a lot. The man had to get a bit forceful. And I bled the second time he fucked me too. It put me off sex for quite a while.
Ouch.
Dove
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Also, you break it, you pay for it, as they say. Deflowering a girl is a big deal. The guy that did it to me became my first LTR and I bonded to him. It is true, a girl remembers her first guy. You’d better be ready for her to want to marry you!
I am on my second real LTR now, and it is great, but I still remember that first guy and that hellish first experience. Someone once said that it hurts about as much as having a tooth out without anaesthetic. God, I know it.
I had a tough hymen. It was a messy and ugly experience for us both.
Dove
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I truly believe a lot is lost when women don’t marry as virgins. There is a BIG tendency for a girl/woman to deeply bond / fall in love with the man who takes her virginity if he’s otherwise a reasonable suitable LTR partner, and often even when he isn’t.
Now don’t get me wrong. Non of my LTR’s have been virgins, and I’ve only taken one girl’s virginity in my life. This is a rather late realization I’ve had. The truth isn’t always convenient. It often isn’t.
Our current culture poo poos this as “puppy love” and so on, but puppy love can be very strong and often really the strongest love.
This doesn’t fit at all well with feminist sexual freedom for women, or alpha male (of various degrees) desire for sexual promiscuity or at least periods of that, but is a truth I think none the less. Not for every woman perhaps but for by far most I think.
Still all is not lost when hubbie isn’t the first. More is lost when he’s number 25 though, and comes in after 5 heartbreak flings with alphas that she thought / kidded herself would go permanent.
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lol I meant hymen!
And this will be my Hymen Number 3 (if it means that I stole this unique experience from 2 guys, I´m sorry.. lol).
Anyway, thanks for scaring me.
BTW, hymen count can be a good data for measuring alphaness.One single girl can add limitless fuck notches to many different guys. It doesn´t happens to hymen notches. There is a limited amount of hymen notches in the World. If I took 2, some guy lost his opportunity forever.
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Yes, carioca, another man got my “hymen notch”. But I wish it had been my current guy. It would have been nice for him.
I am not kidding. It can hurt a lot. Anal hurts sometimes, but not as bad as having your hymen broken. You guys are lucky.
I hope this chick is stable.
Dove
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I´m a little confused about it. She´s a 4, and my general level is 6-7. It means that I won´t be comfortable going out with her in public. I would never introduce a 4 to my mother. There will be no LTR. But I refuse to give up on the opportunity of having again this unique experience. Is it too evil? I learnt to be like this in this blog. Blame it on Heartiste.
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carioca
My deflowering led onto an LTR. She will expect something. Also, it was a messy and painful and hideous thing for me, and I was glad it led onto a nice relationship with the guy. I still miss him. He was quite a man.
A young man like you, carioca, has a lot of power over women. You should be kind. You don’t need this meaningless notch.
The poor bitch WILL follow you around for a while.
A lot of chicks get what they deserve. But some of them are just poor lost girls.
Fuck girls you can brag about. And enjoy the bragging!
Dove
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carioca, if it helps, imagine me. I am 28. Not a virgin, but I think you would like some things about me, physically, and I have a compliant attitude. You sound like an attractive young guy. You could probably fuck me if I was there with you.
So, feel free to imagine yourself fucking me, any way you like.
Or, if you prefer, instead of wasting your fine young cock on an ugly girl, let a slightly older woman give you a few pointers. Here if you like, on this thread. Ask me anything. You will learn something useful about how women work, for the future.
Dove
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“I hope this chick is stable.”
Me too. No matter how hard you try to select the right people and be rational about things, there is just some programming that can not be overwritten. Nor, ultimately, do you want to lose that programming. You just have to find the right person to appreciate it.
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What if you end up naked with an 11 who insists, after a single wide-eyed look, that she was likely to get something torn or irreparably dilated just from trying to do it. I knew already that she was a consummate bullshit artist, but she was also pretty young, and there are some things you never want to have to explain; if you are man in my position…
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Mister selfish
Here is the ruling: Yes, that is alfa. But you hated the experience when it happened. Didunt you. I know I did. Because she was looking for a guy to serve as the lightening rod for absorbing her lifetime load of stored up anger re men.
Take lots of pictures and avoid leaving visible bruising on her body and everything should turn round right.
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Have you seen pictures of Kim K without makeup and regular street clothes? A 5 at best.
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yea the woman on tv seem to look like crap in most pics of them on the street why i don’t proclaim my love for movie ho’s like most here
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Gregg Allman = Super Alpha
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Awesome fucking interview.
Love the way he pauses before answering and faces away from the interviewer.
Dude is the man.
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ex says need divorce to put name on her kids birth certificate wtf does that mean
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Why didn’t she put the boyfriends name.
other than the kid looks like me when i was young he he he
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doug: Kim Kardashian does absolutely nothing for me. Don’t worry, I don’t understand it, either.
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i don’t care what everybody says. the guy who has bedded 100,000 1s is the most alpha. that’s a daily average of 3.42 1s for 80 straight years! the guy is a gem for all kinds of reasons…longevity, productivity, steadfastness, just to name a few.
[heartiste: bedding 100,000 1s is the equivalent of fucking 100,000 sheep. sure, it’s an accomplishment… like hitting your dick with a hammer 100,000 times is an accomplishment.]
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Numbers matter depending on your worldview. I married a ackowledged hot, but very devout virgin at 20. All my kid’s look like me. (Feel bad for them.) I dated before dating and marrying her. 20+ years out. She is probably more loving than ever, and never shit test’s me. She wonder’s at my ability to keep the kid’s in check. She may have hit the wall, but I will stick around. I am a good provider. In learning game to stamp out the last bit of shit tests. I have seen how other females react to me. Learning good inner game is powerful stuff.
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Marraige 1.0. It built Western society. Glad to see the oldest is going down the same road now that he is coming of age. There are still pockets of it out in the badlands.
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Game is good in allowing a fine tuning of your mental state. I used to wonder why she sometimes got bitchy. Now I know. I stay calm. She is in awe that I react less to it. It’s an upward spiral. Good for all involved. Therefore her hormonal swings means they are dampened. Good game mostly solves PMS.
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True that, including the PMT.
But a good short telling off is sometimes appropriate.
Dove
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I understand. I usually ignore it though. Therefore no hard feelings. I have realized her nature. Glad she gave me good kid’s. If I am stupid, she forgives. She now see’s my nature.
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Very important not to bicker with her. A sharp rebuke or ignore her. Not bickering. Women love bickering.
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You’re a wise girl.
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Thank you, Doug1111.
And you are a wiser man.
Dove
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the almost ex
“Ask the people that make the law! I don’t know why! But I had the option not to put anyone on!”
the fuck they make woman cuckhold lol
they don’t let em put the real dad if they married got to put the husband or nothing i guess. See men have so many rights lol
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””””””’I thought you were making all that money! Why didn’t you continue the job!”””””””’
””””””” Just easy no contest divorce ( meaning noone wants anything from the other)!”””””’
yea thats a good almost ex right there except for the part about not getting the divorce after i signed the papers a million fucking years ago.
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Private blog? Can we apply for access?
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YES this is what I’ve been waiting for, finally a YaReally blog. Next big thing in the manosphere I predict
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Female Rating System:
Men look at 3 areas to determine attractiveness: Face, Figure, and Boobs.
Face being most important, Figure being next important, and Boobs last.
10- nice face, nice figure, nice boobs
9- nice face, nice figure, average boobs
8-nice face, average figure, average boobs
7- average face, nice figure, nice boobs
6-average face, nice figure, average boobs
5-average face, average figure, average boobs
4,3,2,1,0 – negative qualities, i.e. big bulbous nose, obese, hairy chest, chaotic teeth, chronic flatulence, used to be a man, etc.
(note: figure does not mean weight, it means waist-to-hip ratio. Obviously they correlate, but the proper dimensions can be scaled up or down. 70% or better is ideal.)
Now go out there and bang a feminist in the ass! (without lube)
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