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Identifying The Self-Centered Girl

May 29, 2012 by CH

BD writes:

[W]hen I first learned of game, I saw the videos of these dudes and thought what fags these dudes looked like! I wondered if these feminine-sounding PUAs actually liked the women or they were just playing a fun game like dress-up or doll-house.

A few posts back I submitted a link to a study that showed how women talk can reveal how self-centered they are (I can’t find or remember link right now) by using “I” so much. Ex. Upon asking them what the weather will be like tomorrow, they could say, “It will be cold,” or they could say, “I don’t know; I think I heard on the television it would be cold.” The girl that answers the first way isn’t self-centered. The girl that answered the second way, using three instances of “I” is self centered. Watch a group of hot girls talk. What’s the first response each of them says after one of their friends says something? It’s, “I know, I know right!” Isn’t that a trip!

So, I can neg the group with this concept in a masculine way, but when I highlight the examples of how women answer questions to reveal their self-centeredness, I can go all gaylike on them and mimic their feminine responses. Win/Win.

People like to talk about themselves; it’s fun and it makes us feel happier. The problem with identifying the self-centered girl in any group is that there are so many of them. Where to begin? Most women are self-absorbed by nature; it comes with the territory when you are, biologically and hence psychologically, the more valuable sex. This is why women should never have been given the vote; when the world revolves around you, it’s not a huge rationalization leap to decide that the world owes you lots of gimmedats.

But there are girls who defy even the bounds of their own sex and exhibit a level of conceit and self-focus that would shock even a bar top dancing whore. It behooves the master hamster seducer (where all seductions must begin) to know who these girls are, for they can be your greatest ally if harnessed correctly, or your worst enemy if left untended.

Find out which girl in the group is the most self-centered by listening for overwrought first-person singular pronoun usage, but also by watching for which girl is constantly interrupting someone else’s conversation to interject her opinion or exclamation, or which girl is moving her body forward into the group’s center of mass to draw attention to herself. This is the girl who will assuredly cockblock you if you don’t take preemptive countermeasures. (Example: “Who brought their attention-seeking little sister along?”)

Unusually self-centered girls are narcissists par excellence, and they love “screening” men for their friends and playing matchmaker, when they aren’t actively stealing those men away from their friends. This eternal cycle of drama feeds their insatiable egos, for the girl who self-loves more than she loves has a paradoxically fragile ego that requires a steady injection of external validation to keep it respirating.

BD’s suggestion to neg the ego-driven girls by mimicking their female solipsism is an ancient craft, and one I’ve used many times. Girls love it when you make fun of their girl-isms, and this can be in the form of aping their words or their mannerisms (easy to do if you have observed enough girls socializing and have a handle on their gender’s peculiarities). This is another one of those rapport-building techniques that is so powerful it can be easily overdone. Just a little to spike buying temps, and not more, or you risk sounding like a clown. And a gay clown, at that.

Or you could dispense with all this keen psychological acumen, and just drop a killa line on a girl like the one my buddy uses on occasion: “Does this fine pocket square smell like chloroform to you?” 1% of the time, it works every time.

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  1. on May 29, 2012 at 4:01 pm Bob

    Ricky Raw’s series on emotional vampires is great for this…

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      • on May 30, 2012 at 12:52 pm Marellus

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    • on May 30, 2012 at 4:41 pm Firepower

      Bob

      Ricky Raw’s series on emotional vampires is great for this…

      yuk yuk! So was Style’s stuff when he first wrote

      …ten years ago.
      But, I’m just guessing you don’t get a percentage of his “webinar” revenue, though.

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  2. on May 29, 2012 at 4:35 pm Anonymous

    Sounds almost as good as Sex Panther.

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  3. on May 29, 2012 at 4:42 pm Firepower

    “Identifying The Self-Centered Girl” is really easy, BD
    Just look for a
    Vagina

    Glad to help out.

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    • on May 29, 2012 at 7:48 pm gritartisan

      Insert G comment on feeding e-tab candy to the chick’s ego.

      Chicks love introspective drugs that lets them coo at their own hamster.

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      • on May 29, 2012 at 8:23 pm Firepower

        who told you
        my secret identity
        oh, & quit stepping on
        the punchlines

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    • on May 30, 2012 at 10:27 am Balls Walls

      How to identify the MOST self-centered girl in a group:

      The one that doesn’t suck your dick.

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      • on July 4, 2012 at 1:14 am Anon

        Concern for hygiene is self-centered?

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  4. on May 29, 2012 at 5:19 pm Pantalones

    I Pantalones uses I alot. This means nothings,ok?

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  5. on May 29, 2012 at 5:48 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    Women love an audience.

    Women NEED an audience.

    Understand this, and you’ll understand women.

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  6. on May 29, 2012 at 6:02 pm Pantalones

    They do love to go on and on, don’t they? My DiOS. They just don’t know when to stop. Me this,me that. Then after suffering their snooze fests, who remembers WHAT they say, let alone the fucking point. Have a point, went don’t you!?

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  7. on May 29, 2012 at 6:37 pm geo

    Here’s a link to a study of pronoun use http://hbr.org/2011/12/your-use-of-pronouns-reveals-your-personality/

    Unnecessary use of I indicates:
    1) you’re more focused on yourself
    2) you’re depressed
    3) you’re low status
    4) you’re telling the truth

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  8. on May 29, 2012 at 6:41 pm WeAreAmused

    Use of “I” all the time is actually an indication of low status. In fact, use of personal pronouns reflects a number of personality and character differences, as discussed in the linked article. This is another example of science validating game concepts, although it doesn’t line up with the points made in this post.

    http://hbr.org/2011/12/your-use-of-pronouns-reveals-your-personality/

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    • on May 29, 2012 at 7:30 pm Tartarus

      I thought narcissism was a dark triad trait…

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      • on May 29, 2012 at 9:21 pm Fearless

        Not when you have a vag.

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      • on May 30, 2012 at 2:16 am Harland

        Think of men who behave like women, and you’ll understand how repulsive masculine women are to men.

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  9. on May 29, 2012 at 10:06 pm Obstinance Works

    If I ever catch a dude calling a pua a fag I will bust him in the teeth and say something smartass. What should I say can’t think at the moment?

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    • on May 30, 2012 at 5:03 pm Glengarry

      I kind of like “Speak up, I can’t hear you thru your busted teeth, bitch.”

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      • on May 30, 2012 at 9:30 pm Obstinance Works

        I could say that if he responds to “Yeah, then I guess that makes me the pua tooth fairy. “

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    • on May 30, 2012 at 5:20 pm gunslingergregi

      hopefully dude knocked out and you won’t have to say anything.
      Best thing if you do violence is say nothing then nothing can be used against you in the court of law to establish motive or to establish some other kind of hate crime type bullshit.

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    • on May 30, 2012 at 6:09 pm Odinsson

      Be careful. Some of us have been there a few times and can handle our own. I carry a handgun and boxcutter for anyone who wants to threaten my well-being.

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    • on May 30, 2012 at 6:27 pm C

      honestly, lots of puas are kinda fags. into yoga and shit. care to much about their diet. don’t want to get drunk, cos they’re afraid of losing control. not alpha to me.

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      • on May 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm gunslingergregi

        lol at C testing you.

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  10. on May 29, 2012 at 10:35 pm Anonymous

    what is the study BD linked to with the weather examples? can someone relink it?

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  11. on May 29, 2012 at 10:42 pm Openbar

    When it gets old, and you’ve got her friends listening, with big puppy dog eyes (if you can manage it without cracking up), deliver: “You know, you are the most unique person you know.” And stop, dead stop. (I forgot who to credit for this one.)

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    • on May 30, 2012 at 2:09 pm BD

      @Openbar: Consider that one stoldt!

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  12. on May 29, 2012 at 10:57 pm Tartarus

    http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/20/is-there-anything-good-about-men-and-other-tricky-questions/

    “The “single most underappreciated fact about gender,” he said, is the ratio of our male to female ancestors. While it’s true that about half of all the people who ever lived were men, the typical male was much more likely than the typical woman to die without reproducing. Citing recent DNA research, Dr. Baumeister explained that today’s human population is descended from twice as many women as men. Maybe 80 percent of women reproduced, whereas only 40 percent of men did.”

    An old study of interest here. Don’t think I’ve seen it quoted by heartiste or his predecessors.

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  13. on May 29, 2012 at 11:21 pm Tartarus

    Bloody moderation. Anyway, old but interesting article:
    http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/20/is-there-anything-good-about-men-and-other-tricky-questions/

    “The “single most underappreciated fact about gender,” he said, is the ratio of our male to female ancestors. While it’s true that about half of all the people who ever lived were men, the typical male was much more likely than the typical woman to die without reproducing. Citing recent DNA research, Dr. Baumeister explained that today’s human population is descended from twice as many women as men. Maybe 80 percent of women reproduced, whereas only 40 percent of men did.”

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  14. on May 29, 2012 at 11:27 pm Anonymous

    Chateau you are usually right on par with women and dating, but I think you got this one all wrong. These are just differences in how women and men communicate. Women tend to qualify all their opinions with a disclaimer such as “I think that” or “I feel that” not because we are narcissistic, but because we tend to be less forward than men in expressing ourselves. Most career advice columns for women advise them to stop doing this and to “talk like men,” i.e. “It will be cold” not “I think that it might be cold.”

    Also, we always say things like “I know right” because women like to talk out our issues, unlike most men, and this validates that we are listening, we understand, we empathize.

    Now if the girl just wants to talk about herself and her opinions for an exceptionally long time, then yes, perhaps she is a narcissist.

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    • on May 29, 2012 at 11:33 pm Tartarus

      I don’t understand where the stereotype that women like to talk out their issues came from. Usually you all just fume (often for weeks at a time) waiting for the frequently oblivious man to notice something’s wrong.

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      • on May 30, 2012 at 10:03 pm Anonymous

        This sounds more like a shit test. Some women think that if you were truly “the one” then you would magically understand the inner workings of her soul without her having to utter a single word. This is the female version of putting her man on a pedestal that he can not possibly live up to. Its retarded. They should communicate, but if we were all perfect at social interaction them there wouldn’t be blogs like this around.

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    • on May 30, 2012 at 12:00 am Anon

      “this validates that we are listening, we understand, we empathize”

      You hear that, Betas? Women are sooo understanding and empathetic. They want to listen to your problems (especially your non-existant sex life), and you know, understand them and empathize with you.

      You guys are so lucky to have women around.

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      • on May 30, 2012 at 9:59 pm Anonymous

        No no no no. Do I have to explain everything?! We empathize with our girlfriends, not with you in the same way. I completely agree with older post on men showing vulnerability/talking about their problems with women. You should never talk about your problems in front of a woman you are attracted to unless (a) she already likes/respects you (b) she has shared her problems/vulnerabilities with you first and (c) you end your own problem story with what actions you are taking to resolve your problem so that you do not sound like a whiny loser. Even if you are not sure the actions you took were right, make it sound like you are completely confident and you now have it under control.

        Woman like enough vulnerability to prove you are not a robot, to suggest we are special enough that you wanted to share with us, but that you can prove you are still a strong man who can handle shit. Personally I think that must really suck that guys just can’t talk about what’s bothering them freely but whatever, that’s life.

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    • on May 30, 2012 at 2:49 am Obstinance Works

      Here we go.

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    • on May 30, 2012 at 1:31 pm Redleg

      Bracing for epic.

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    • on May 30, 2012 at 5:04 pm Glengarry

      But who cares about her, right?

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  15. on May 30, 2012 at 12:17 am gunslingergregi

    any chick in the west really too much fucking T.V.
    and they believe the shit is supposed to be reality is the problem.
    Every day i hear another dumb comment from a us chick.

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    • on May 30, 2012 at 3:41 am Gil

      Too much TV? In this day and age?

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    • on May 30, 2012 at 6:46 am Maigo

      Its the same in the UK. They honestly believe that they can live like one of the Sex and the City characters (or any unrealistic character/reality TV stooge they see on TV and in films). It’s starting really young as well, I know teen girls that come across as socially inept and a bit mental because they are constantly ‘performing’ in an attempt to emulate the behaviour they see on TV.
      And they genuinely believe that the New York fashionista lifestyle will come to them without them doing anything to earn it. I think the most common aspiration for UK girls now is to marry a premiership footballer, essentially their main goal in life is to whore themselves out to a rich, high status guy.

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      • on May 30, 2012 at 1:33 pm Anon

        “I think the most common aspiration for UK girls now is to marry a premiership footballer, essentially their main goal in life is to whore themselves out to a rich, high status guy.”

        Whoring out to a high status guy has ALWAYS been most girls’ main goal in life.

        The difference is that overexposure in the media have made clueless men hip to it and makes the average girl feel it’s ok publicly express their true goals.

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      • on May 30, 2012 at 1:42 pm Anon

        “I think the most common aspiration for UK girls now is to marry a premiership footballer, essentially their main goal in life is to whore themselves out to a rich, high status guy.”

        Women have done that since the dawn of humanity.
        Welcome to planet Earth.

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      • on May 30, 2012 at 4:22 pm gunslingergregi

        yea but they want to marry the high status dude and not contribute anything but lay on there back and think that is all they have to do and they can even deny that

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  16. on May 30, 2012 at 1:54 am colonelcrimson

    A bit off-topic (though not entirely– we are talking about selfish women here), but I had to share an impressive online post I read, written by a woman. At least they haven’t ALL drank the feminist kool-aid…

    “I’ve got some things to say about several evil women I know about who hurt their husbands and children. And I don’t care if you’re a woman…domestic violence is NOT okay against ANYONE. EVER. Not even if he COULD hit you back if he wanted. It’s just not okay. A child could poison their parent, but they don’t…so just ’cause someone doesn’t retaliate doesn’t make it fine to do. And stop bad-mouthing your husbands, ladies. It’s not cool. If you have a problem, sort it out directly with the party you have the problem with. Don’t get mad at people for not reading your minds and knowing all the things that they do that annoy you when you’ve only ever confided it over (and over again) to your friends. And don’t take alimony if you left your husband so you could sleep with little boys just out of high school. And for the record, your daughters will suffer if you teach them that boys can’t ever be around them because ‘boys hurt girls.’ That’s not the whole truth and you know it. I’ve got more to say, but I’m not gonna say it. ‘Cause it already sucks that women are all over this world, doing this to their families out of self-indulgence and a warped sense of ‘freedom.'”

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  17. on May 30, 2012 at 2:43 am Anti Blue pill

    Slightly off topic but you should check this study Heartiste.

    “Study traces origins of monogamous coupling”
    From an evolutionary standpoint, the key players in the mating game were males with poor fighting skills and females faithful to them.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-human-monogamy-20120529,0,7040060.story

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    • on May 30, 2012 at 1:45 pm Anon

      What’s so mysterious about the origins of monogamy?

      An alpha male got tired of chasing random ape ass, so he rounded up a harem. Being around bitches all day made his testosterone drop, which made him become omega. Naturally, the bitches left him because he became omega and could no longer fend off the other alpha males. Only the fat bitch that had no other options stayed.

      Presto! Monogamy was born.

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    • on June 1, 2012 at 2:48 pm Anonymous

      Monogamy begins evolutionary, in it’s most basic form, as a means of mate monopolization, under conditions of individual K-selection. K-selection means limited resources, which means some are going to die due to a failure to successfully compete for resources. Under these conditions, the only offspring which survive are offspring which are fitter than peers, and can take resources by force in free competition. Here, females which tolerate polygamy see their offspring thrown into a competition with other offspring also produced by the same highly fit father. This offers a female limited advantage. Females who eventually are able to successfully monopolize the fittest mate see their offspring enjoy an advantage over peers, and thus this is what females evolve towards.. Highly fit males who accept such a limitation on total offspring number in return for access to a highly fit female, produce fitter offspring, since Mom is fitter than most other females. If what determines genes passing forward is overall fitness, monogamy is favored. If resources are effectively limitless, then polygamy has an advantage, since numbers count. If resources are limited, all the numbers in the world don’t mean jack against superior fitness. In the violent K-selected environment, two parents has other advantages as well, from offspring protection to offspring training.

      As K-selection continues, individuals eventually group together, to compete together for resources. This produces group competition, which studies show also favors monogamy. Here, monogamy prevents in-fighting and bickering over mates, and this produces a more cohesive group, with individuals who are more committed to the success of the group. These cohesive groups can then shred other less cohesive groups in combat for limited resources.

      You can’t judge what succeeds in evolution without taking r/K Selection into account. What works in r will not work in K, and vice versa. Any evolutionary biologist who doesn’t grasp this is wholly clueless.

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  18. on May 30, 2012 at 3:47 am Anonymous

    Robots, men and sex tourism

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016328711002850

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  19. on May 30, 2012 at 4:42 am Paladin

    “Does this fine pocket square smell like chloroform to you?” HAHAHAHAHHAA! That’s brilliant… plus no matter a fine form of game, given that you have to be suited up.

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  20. on May 30, 2012 at 7:30 am walawala

    “”This eternal cycle of drama feeds their insatiable egos, for the girl who self-loves more than she loves has a paradoxically fragile ego that requires a steady injection of external validation to keep it respirating.””

    Here is a transcript of text game I was running on a Taiwanese girl I met on a flight to hin where she lives. IMy game was tight and I number closed. She dropped the I have a bf. I ignored. Then I began text game ahead of an upcoming trip back to her city…

    I’ll pick it up where it’s relevant

    Her: You’re such a player

    Me: You bet. and whhat is it abt players u like so much?

    Her: I don’t conclude that I like players, do I?

    Me: Player? No way. I’m the coach. Players come to me for advice

    Her: The I’m not a player…it’s you that come to me

    Her: No offense…….

    Me: Guilty as charged

    Her: Ha ha

    Me: I may need to spank you if yuou dun behave

    Her: Now you are sexually harrassing me, uncle

    Me: hmmm, interesting where ur mind is…

    Me: What is it about spanking u that u find sexual?

    Her: Any physical contacts that I find uncomfortable

    Me: My spanking woud make u feel…

    Her: Feel what?

    Me: Do you like the sound of it?

    Her: Now I’m pondering if you are the SM type…and pondering where ur mind is

    Me: Many girls like a dominant man who knows to to lead…how about you?

    Her: And spare your efforts on gett me hooked. Go find other Asian girls…exclusing me to satisfy your masculine needs

    Me; WHo said I was interested in hooking you? Big ego

    Her: Don’t know,,,just my bold assumption

    Me: …

    Her: Assumption comes before conclusion right?

    Me: I find most girls like a dominat guy

    Her: hmmmm maybe

    Me: That’s why their favorite position is doggie style. Maybe ur different

    Her: …..hmmm maybe i can try it with my boyfriend…thank you for your advice

    Ends

    Next morning she texts me:

    Her: Found a new term for you….”sexpat”

    Me; I prefer ‘sexpert’

    She babbled on a bit more and I stopped. I’m set to come back to her city in a few weeks and will contact her.

    She’s clearly a drama queen and loves the attention. Despite claiming to have a boyfriend she is lapping up my text game….

    Text game for self-centred girls is cat nip….

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    • on May 30, 2012 at 12:58 pm Marellus

      … more please …

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      • on May 30, 2012 at 5:49 pm walawala

        @Marellus, you’ll notice that many of the responses are the ones prescribed here on this blog…

        Haven’t texted for a week. Supposed to go to her city next week. Will update…

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  21. on May 30, 2012 at 7:55 am Anonymous

    Hey, quickmeme has a meme about her…
    http://www.quickmeme.com/Scumbag-girl/

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  22. on May 30, 2012 at 9:31 am BD

    I can listen to these hot chicks and:
    1. Have fun mimicking them, tell them about the concept, and watch their hamsters spin as they try to rationalize the game and their behavior.
    2. Listen for the girl that doesn’t have her head up her own ass and have a decent conversation with her.
    3. Tell the group they are perfect for the Marry Shag Kill game and see how brutal they really are.

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  23. on May 30, 2012 at 11:36 am HLS

    On an unrelated note, science validates kino escalation. http://www.livescience.com/20630-male-touch-woman-flush.html

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  24. on May 30, 2012 at 12:16 pm Anonymous

    off-topic. I just noticed this unusual story from Norway: a 72-year old woman sentenced to three years in prison for abusing her husband through 41 year.

    http://www.b.dk/globalt/kvinde-i-norge-mishandlede-sin-mand-gennem-41-aar (Danish)

    “The court reveals a marriage far from the usual, and it appears that the husband was victim of physical abuse countless of time. He was beaten with an iron bar, a lamp foot, and other household effects through the marriage. Furthermore, the wife spat on him several times.

    The physical abuse was however supplemented by numerous cases of psychological abuse. The woman forced the man to live in the basement since 2007, and he was often denied access to the kitchen, toilet and bath.

    The man slept under a jacket in the basement. His other clothes was cut to pieces and thrown around. The 72-year old woman also destroyed his car and made noises at night to ruin his sleep.

    The man died last year, and the court focused on statements from the couple’s child as well as their neighbors. The woman pleads not guilty.”

    What self-respecting man puts up with that? He’s below omega, and unfortunately the sentence doesn’t mention anything about sexual abuse of him, because that’s the only explanation I can think of (except masochism). The woman on the other hand is something between bitch and beast.

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  25. on May 30, 2012 at 2:50 pm Rollo Tomassi

    All women are solipsistic, so asking which one is more self-centered is like wondering which shark in the ocean has sharper teeth.

    http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/war-brides/

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  26. on May 30, 2012 at 3:20 pm Anonymous

    Off-topic, but… Those wacky left/liberals are at it again for our own good or something.

    “ATF to Accept Public Comments Prior to Outlawing Shotguns,” by Jack Minor, Greeley Gazette
    http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=9223

    “The basis for a possible ban is based on a loosely defined ‘Sporting Purpose’ test. Using the vague definition almost all pump-action and semi-automatic shotguns could be banned as they are all capable of accepting a magazine, box or tube capable of holding more than 5 rounds. …

    Dudley Brown, Executive Director of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, said if the ATF succeeds with the banning of tactical shotguns it ‘will be the most dangerous interpretation of the 1968 Gun Control Act ever envisioned and will outlaw thousands of perfectly legitimate home defense shotguns.’

    The ATF is currently allowing public comments on the study until the end of the month. Those wishing to express concerns about the study can send an email to shotgunstudy@atf.gov “

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  27. on May 30, 2012 at 5:10 pm Glengarry

    “Does this fine pocket square smell like chloroform to you?”

    Exquisite.

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  28. on June 3, 2012 at 5:04 am Linkage is Good for You: Week of June 3, 2012

    […] Control: Your Orgasms“, “Dating in Bangkok Dangerous”Heartiste – “Identifying the Self-Centered Girl“, “Women Want to Be with Men Less Physically Attractive Than They Are“, […]

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  29. on July 3, 2012 at 9:16 pm Anonymous

    I find many of the comments here sexist. You won’t have much success with women, particularly capable, grounded women, if you exhibit such sexism. Particularly BD’s comment that women never should have been given the right to vote. So 19th century! So clueless.

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