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Game, Kino, Science: Choose Any Three

June 4, 2012 by CH

If you aren’t touching women early and often during a pickup attempt, you’re handicapping yourself.

Even non-sexual social contact can raise body temperature.

Researchers at the University of St Andrews found that non-sexual social interactions with men caused a noticeable rise in the temperature of a woman’s face, without them even noticing. […]

Lead author Amanda Hahn, explained, “We used a thermal camera to record skin temperature during a standard ‘social interaction’ where we measured participants’ skin colour at ‘non-personal’ (i.e. the arm and palm of the hand) and ‘personal’ (i.e. the face and chest) locations on the body. The thermal response was dramatic when the male experimenter made contact at ‘personal’ locations.”

While it may not be surprising that people have a physiological response to social contact, the size of the reaction was surprising. Hahn commented, “We observed some women whose facial temperature increased by an entire degree (Celsius) during interaction with the male experimenter.

“This thermal change was in response to simple social interaction, without any experimental change to emotion or arousal. Indeed our participants did not report feeling embarrassment or discomfort during the interaction.”

The study, published later this month in Biology Letters, shows that gender alone influenced the reaction of women, who showed no response to interaction with other women.

Sexual arousal and body temperature fluctuations (the literal manifestation of “buying temperature”) are intimately entwined, so much so that neglecting to elicit body temp spikes in women will make the process of seducing them more difficult. If your hands aren’t exploring a woman’s body while talking to her, you are flirting with the disaster of getting friend-zoned.

It’s already been demonstrated that touching a woman lightly on the arm will increase the odds that she will give you her number. Now we have scientific evidence that touching will dramatically raise a woman’s body temperature, especially in the facial region. Note that the women in the study did not respond to the touch of other women; it was only the wandering hands of men who got them flushed in the face. Note also that none of the women claimed to feel discomfort when the men touched them; their body temp rise was unrelated to any feeling that they were being threatened or their personal space was being invaded.

The difference in temperature rise between getting touched on the palm/arm and the chest/face was large, although there was a small rise elicited from simple arm touching. Game theory is very clear on the importance of kino and how it should progress (by “escalation”), so these studies are simply gravy on top of what is already experimentally proven by thousands of men running game in the field. To recap:

– It’s better to touch a girl more than you think is comfortable than to avoid touching too much because you think it would make a girl uncomfortable.

– Always touch sooner rather than later, and more often rather than too infrequently.

– Begin your touching on innocuous parts of a girl’s body, like the forearm and hand, and gradually move to more erogenous zones of her body, like the small of her back, the upper arm, the thigh and even her face. Also gradually increase the duration and pressure of your touching.

– The “slow boiling frog” principle is at work here. If you move too quickly from “safe zone” to erogenous zone, you might spook a girl. But more gradual kino escalation will allow you to touch “danger zones” with impunity.

– Don’t touch extremely charged body areas in public spaces. There’s too much risk of activating a girl’s anti-slut mechanism. Save the petting for private areas.

I’ve often wondered (well, not that often) why, if kino is critical to success with women, so many beta males (who, as a reminder, occupy the bulk of the male population) are so skittish about touching women? Now I have a theory. Lacking the confidence of their caddish convictions, it makes sense to betas to avoid boldness in action with women who are less likely to assume their impertinences. There is a real risk, in other words, of a crippling incongruency should the beta male decide to kino with a fury without the requisite overconfidence to sway the ladies and gird his fortitude.

From the female perspective, instinctively welcoming kino at a deep physiological level — that is, readying herself for sex in the most shamefully unfeminist manner — is actually a sub-subconscious biological shit test that signals to a girl who among the men hitting on her has the alpha goods. If her vestigial vellous hairs rise automatically at the touch of a man’s hand, any man’s hand, and her cheeks glow a rosy hue, then it’s a simple evolutionarily-greased leap of logic to be more open to the entreaties of men cocksure enough to touch her than to the hovering hands of “creepy” beta males. The act of touching — especially if exercised with devil-may-care élan — is sort of a preselection for alpha attitude that women use to screen men into despondent categories of desirable and undesirable.

As always, a jaunt through the female hamster brain is illuminating. We’ll compare what escapes like a hissing balloon out of a termagant feminist’s mouth to what the gentlehamster underneath it all actually thinks.

Asply-coiled feminist: “Unwanted touching ANYWHERE on my body is sexual harassment!!”

♥Hamster♥: “I can’t explain in socially approved turns of phrase why I feel closer to this guy.”

Misfiring pistoned-feminist: “You WILL respect my boundaries!”

♥Hamster♥: “This guy hasn’t touched me once in a half hour of talking to me. So much respect, but so little chemistry.”

Yoko Ono in a chokehold mid-warble feminist: “Check your male privilege at the door!”

♥Hamster♥: “This man is very comfortable touching me. That shows confidence. Which must mean he has a lot of experience with women. Which really turns me on.”

♥♥Hamster’s hamster♥♥: “…thus improving the odds that any son I have with this man will grow up to inherit the same pussy slaying skills, spreading my genes yonder and hither.”

As most of you are beta males, you should take this post to heart and begin training your reflexes away from automatic discomfort at the thought of touching women and toward taking liberties with their personal spaces. You may think you are disrespecting women, but in fact you are respecting their vaginas. Don’t be surprised if, after a few months of violating every known feminist taboo, you wind up not in a diversity seminar, but between the sheets with a very satisfied woman.

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  1. on June 4, 2012 at 5:03 pm A.B. Dada

    I’ve taken a lot of notice of younger, less-confident guys out at bars who are actually doing something that is probably the opposite of kino: strongly avoiding contact with women they’re talking it.

    I didn’t actually notice this until recently, but I’m guessing the inner brain hamster subconsciously does note it right before it turns the physical body around in disgust or annoyance.

    Kino contact should be a pretty natural confident response to initial flirtation — if it isn’t coming naturally, confidence is still low and needs to be worked on.

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    • on June 4, 2012 at 5:46 pm BD

      @Dada: I’ve seen this with hipster betas at bars. If they are talking with a girl in front of them (conversing better than the girls themselves as they’ve seemed to master) and a dude come up beside them to pass, the beta will raise his beer/wine shield (and cell phone in the other hand) over his head and do a tippy-toe dance move in front of the girl so as not to even have his clothes touch her to violate her comfort zone. Funny shit to watch. That’s like the perfect opportunity to take the girl by the waste and save her from the possibility the passing brute’s beer might spill on her though.

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    • on June 4, 2012 at 6:12 pm Anon

      RSS Dada ftw.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 12:26 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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  2. on June 4, 2012 at 5:09 pm askjoe

    damn, dada must have rss, he’s first again.
    Anyway, this is another beta-slaying post. Fucking hover-hands. Maybe betas and below aren’t supposed to procreate? They’re just drones in the human hive, working to make things better for the few alphas and all the bitches out there. Or they exist to support older droopier, wall bound bitches past their prime.
    It is funny, in an opposite note, how girls will kino dudes when they’re trying to get something or if the guy is preselected. I’ve had girls brushing their tits on my arms when I was unknowingly doing a version of “let’s you and her fight,” and she was locked out the conversation.
    More science gold from the host.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 1:57 am whiskeysplace

      Alpha males don’t create too much technology. Well, any really. If you want that killer tech, and if you don’t have it someone else WILL, you have to have LOTS of beta males. Lots and lots and lots. Hot chicks don’t create Atomic bombs, or jet engines, or deadly assault weapons either. Or early tests for cancer, or treatment for the same. Alpha male dominated societies generally resemble: Sub-Saharan Africa. Want to live there?

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 2:22 am Jason

        Agreed. Beta males make the modern world go round. They need to be well-cared for sexually so that old women can continue to safely email dancing-kitten videos across the interwebs.

        Some of us alphas have learned to adapt somewhat, but I still have never met a programmer who wasn’t utterly beta.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 2:49 am The Whammer

        Alpha males don’t create too much technology

        That’s bullshit that omegas like to believe to make themselves feel less inadequate. Everything ever accomplished in this world has been done by an Alpha. Betas and omega drones are just there to serve females and Alpha men.Betas are like the worker ants where if one gets stepped on there are always a million more to work.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 4:12 am Anonymous

        True. Also take this reality check over to The Spearhead (online support group for beta males) or Inmalafide.com which the owner believes should be kinder and gentler to betas than this site is (I think he believes that, when he gets older, he might get married and join them voluntarily as if life supposedly has seasons or something).

        The time has come for us to stop pretending that beta males are mostly doing anything else but following orders. Without getting into whether or not all techies are betas, the managers that issue the specifications are likely not to be.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 7:34 am Mr. Pointyface

        Bullshit. There’s exceptions, but the most Alpha guy I know,, super tall, GF less than half his age, just smiles at women and gets their numbers, forms no bonds with them, has fucked 100, and is hereditarily wealthy. Couldn’t concentrate enough on anything to solve a high-school quadratic equation. Does some bullshit internet marketing stuff to make money.

        Chicks don’t care. Alphas are generally morons. Look at Zuckerberg super-beta with a billion bux. You were too smart to waste your time hanging around in your dorm room, right. Mr cool guy, too cool to really create.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 11:46 am The Whammer

        @pointyhead-you sound like a bitter beta.If you had more experience in life outside of the basement and your silly computer you would know that the top men are good at everything whether it’s getting females or inventing junk. And pointing out a few people who you think are betas (they’re not) means nothing and proves that you’re just trying to rationalise your beta status.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 4:54 pm Tartarus

        Internet marketing is a great way to make money for doing very little once you get the ball running.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 3:58 am sid

        1. The more i think about it the more i doubt about betas being world builders, it seems to me more and more that betas follow the world builder alpha. The doers, movers and shakers are more likely than not to be alphas or at least will cross over to being an alpha more easily in contrast to the followers who are more likely to be followers. I really have a hard time believing hipster non gay mangina fags, gamers etc etc have a higher ratio of alphas among them than say politicians, doctors, businessmen, religious leaders, generals, lawyers etc etc. People who have some sort of power and status, are in touch with their social hierarchy and contend for higher space within that hierarchy are more likely to be aware of consciously and unconsciously of status and power and it’s mutual relationship with sex and mating ( even if this person isn’t alpha with women, his jump to alphadom is a much smaller one than the case for most followers/betas ) and is more likely to be seens as preferable as mates by women. Make a list of all the inventors, important scientists, businessmen, politicians, philosophers, public figures, orators, religious leaders etc etc, I will bet 100 bucks they form part of the alpha sphere rather than the average male of their society. Genghis Khan game.

        2. The difference between SS African and european model is that european alphas were fragmented and their sectarian competition helped them get them to where they are today at least technologically, their competition led them to focus their society in a certain path whereas SS African alphas were operating under totally different conditions and have thus influenced their society in a different direction.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 4:06 am sid

        The IT industry is pretty unique in that it’s participants spend hours after hours sitting and looking at monitors and having sex with their keyboard, it is unlike almost all major careers both past and present. Demographic of IT industry is vastly different than other fields past and present. The participants in this industry strikes me as leaning very far on the beta/omega scale and that also includes it’s leaders ( but not all ) and most It industry folks are also very leftist. IT nerd ain’t the same thing as being smart or intelligent, most are just very good with executing very long boring sets of repetitive tasks almost totally gulped down from college professors like good little drones.

        BTW you have just proven how much of an alpha the guy really is, he works few fruitful hours in an obscure field and makes money, enough money to live a pretty good life. That dude is smart, Internet marketing aint that easy but it is easier than it looks. If internet marketing is so easy and stupid why don’t you try to get a site in top 3 of goggle for whatever search terms fighting for that same spot with 100 million other websites. Besides he is providing what most IT people provide to the world and the actual economy….nothing. Difference is the nerd is just a sad keyboard jockey and this dude is the shit.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 9:26 am Stark

        Nah, you’re wrong,.
        Let’s go by the basic assumption that 10% of the population are alphas, that means that across history, only 10% of the 130+ IQ people have existed, and these are the people who “accomplished something”
        Society would’ve still been at the medival ages, you wouldn’t have Newton, Tesla, Maxwell, Faraday and… you know, 90% of the scientists ever.
        You seem to not understand how puny most (all) of us are, compared to true geniuses, the difference in mental capacities between someone like Newton to us is like between us and a ten years old kid.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 3:19 pm anon

        As has been mentioned on this site, for most of history, let’s say that only 20% of men have actually had children…carrying on his genes. Under what was the time of the great beta paradise, civilizations such as America pre-marriage 2.0 (and before letting women vote) had a male spawn rate of 80%. That is, even if you were herbly beta genetic material, if you played the game, got a job, combed your hair, etc., you could get married and expect a loyal wife and kids who were your own. This country, and others like it, were beasts, with armies that could mow down savage armies and devastate cities. All this power and with technological advancement, fun entertainment, and long life spans (don’t let commie hollywood fool you with movies like stepford wives and pleasantville)…and most importantly, bitches who were thin, came from the Christian beta societies.
        Change the rules, and all of the sudden, the game changes. See the BotM archives. Fat bitches can get plowed by high-T invaders (who’s own women folk are basically orcas anyway) and thereby leave their husbands, marriage is a suckers bet, and the male spawn percentage is descending back down to under 50%.
        Is it because betas are scientifically and militarily adept versus alphas? Maybe, but maybe it’s because more men are being rewarded for living virtuous, productive lives. Savages, run by alphas, on the other hand, hoard women with harems, and many young men lead lives of poverty and menial labor. It’s practically feudal, and the problem with that is serfs don’t excel, they get drunk and watch pr0n. And women…well, as we see today, they’re instinctively traitorous, cheering on the invaders, the savages, and hating the betas.
        And all you smugs hate on Sarah Palin when women like her are the ones who cheer on beta society.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 5:52 pm Anon

        “And all you smugs hate on Sarah Palin when women like her are the ones who cheer on beta society.”

        Cheering betas before sucking an invader’s black cock and cuckolding her hubby. Or after?

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 4:59 am sid

        1. Maybe 80% of males having kids was the problem, too many dumbasses having kids.

        2. the mongols, germans,,turks, vikings, romans, huns, scythians, rus, etc savaged cities and were premier or local powers in their day yet they had very different structures but at the same time they were all into raping and having foreign and domestic harems, mistresses… why were they successful? Even most of the barbarians had functional societies? why is that?

        3. whites and Af-Am have pretty much same or close T profile. In fact relatve to the rest of the world euros seems to be on the side of having higher T than the average and it’s also true when compared to africans too. White fat white botches who go for blacks are really a very small minority according to most statistics hovering around 5% of total population ( check gss data, zogby or some other poll ).. Depletion of white birth rate is mostly a factor of WW not having kids with WM.

        4. SS Africa had many different tribes and many different mating and marriage strategies. There is no one monolithic way of doing things that can be attributed to all SS Africans. If savage alphas hoard the wimmenz, then how come there is the prevalence of one form of religion or another among these peoples, for example marriage is pretty strong in african communities, islam or christianity is finding strong roots there albeit indigenized roots, the point is if they knew only one way then these things wouldn’t be true. Willy nilly divorcing, non commitant fucking, free woman syndrome is a very western thing which according to your definition was a beta strong nation and these things can’t be found in other savage places in the world in the same frequency as in western world. As far as africa goes these alphas that you speak off, are usually influential peoples like say government figures not necessarily the 20% of male population who are alphas. Also the savage hoarding women model doesn’t apply to savages of Afghanistan or most of islamic caliphate..

        5. Serfs are just serfs they dont change anything, they are not the drivers, the drivers are alphas who drive their own societies to the direction they want for whatever reason, the serf merely follows. The bolshevik revolution wasn’t started by either the proles or the bolsheviks.

        6. So if fuedal europe was so bad with alpha lords making babies with the womenfolk, then how come fuedal europe gave way to the 21st century?. Why is there a sea change in marriage and sex relations and overall social and cultural values in the last 100 years, but yet the technological innovations we have today are the direct result of technological inheritance from the past eras where we shouldn’t find any technological advancement because people were savages. There wasn’t actually a great deal of and cultural differences between europe and the muslim world 200 years ago relative to today but yet even then europe was far ahead in technology? today the muslims are savages because they are stuck in the past relative to modern est, but they have also moved forward technologically too. But this was true 200 years ago when both europe and muslim lands were equally savages compared to today’s modern euro outlook.

        7. Maybe it was a good thing that the 20% of the male population got to impregnate the wimmenz with their better genes, which lead to a better stock
        of people who lifted up civilization,

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 12:00 pm Gil

        Damn straight! It’s like everyone assumes all scientists are nerds. I’ve seen no real world proof that Alphas are brawny useless types while Betas run society. If anything Alphas are higher up on the pecking order because of their dominating ability. They like a sheepdog – keeping the Beta workers in line and doing their jobs.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 1:15 pm That Guy

        @Whammy,

        Totally agree!

        I’ve even seen a guy with Aspergers and Tourettes, running a mini-harem of 3 girls. It’s all about ATTITUDE, not occupation!

        It’s the same combination of smarts, boldness, creativity and drive that compels Aphas to BOTH bed a bevy of beauties, AND to conquer in all areas of life

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 2:58 pm Lololblackguy

        Not really, Isaac newton is quoted, on his deathbed, saying his greatest accomplishment ‘is dying a virgin’.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 4:33 pm The Whammer

        I’m sure that the betas on here will be saying the same thing except that it won’t be a choice for them 🙂

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 3:29 am Stark

        It also wasn’t a choice for Newton, probably.
        When you are that above ordinary people, you just can’t create ordinary connections.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 4:52 pm Tartarus

        Not true. Alpha does not automatically equal useless douche.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 1:27 am Talon

        Okay guys. Let’s make this clear: being able to create technology has nothing to do with being alpha or beta. I worked for years as a clueless, pathetic beta and wrote genuinely kickass programs. I’m now a room-shaking alpha and I *still* write kickass programs.

        Skill in technology is completely independent of skill with women. You can make your technological expertise make you look like an anti-social nerd. Or you can leverage it to make you look like a powerful badass. It is all in how you present yourself. If you are ashamed of what you do, women will think you are pathetic. If you are shamelessly proud of what you do, women will respect you.

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  3. on June 4, 2012 at 5:47 pm Capsaicin

    Here’s a quick way to get over your fear of touching women (it’s worked for me) — spend a few minutes browsing hover hand blogs:

    http://hoverhands.org

    These are photos of guys who are taking a photograph with a girl who often has her hand on his shoulder while his hand is blatantly several inches away from touching her shoulder or waist.

    Every time I see these, I get a sickening feeling. I feel their discomfort, but I DON’T want to be like that. That palm facing the wind or closed fist that just cannot make contact with the female anywhere, even lightly resting on her shoulder, I think, screams volumes about the guy’s inner being — he’s seriously lacking in confidence.

    So MANY guys of all ages and looks are so afraid to engage in even the most minute level of touching a female.

    So, this is not just about kino, it’s also about body language.

    Look at these photos … observe how absurd these guys look. Resolve not to be like them.

    Of course, don’t veer in the opposite direction and become Mr. Touchy-Feely.

    Just be normal about it and I think you’ll be fine.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 3:26 pm Anon

      Funny!

      Not sure if all of them are legit “hover hands”. It could be possible that some photos are taken right before the guy’s hand makes contact.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 1:37 am Talon

      lmao. That was great. You are right about this being strong motivation to just go all the way. Hover hands look way more creepy and pathetic than a firm, familiar, and confident touch. The pictures say it all.

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  4. on June 4, 2012 at 6:18 pm 123@fake.com

    Great piece of game science. I’ve really been focusing on ramping this up early (comes with being more assured and alpha anyway). The best part is mastering kino/becoming more active with it is that it gets you free stuff. Just last week, I got free beer and the cute waitress’s phone number. I think the two previous arm touches when she came around helped make that happen.

    Next time you are in a store, try it on a female salesgirl. You get much better service.

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  5. on June 4, 2012 at 6:19 pm Country Lawyer

    “Unwanted touching ANYWHERE on my body is sexual harassment!!”

    I think you have your answer to why betas don’t do it and even avoid contact right there.

    This statement has been drilled into them and reenforced at every hr meeting, every sensitivity training, everywhere in the cubicle prison and every public school prison.

    I can’t emphasize enough how strongly that message is being fed to our boys.

    And again it is, intentional or not, a way of culling the alphas that don’t give a shit from the betas.

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    • on June 4, 2012 at 9:47 pm DarkByke

      Glad someone else pointed it out. We live in a completely feminist state where being a man is criminalized. At any point a woman can make a false rape accusation against you for looking at her. Say goodbye to your career. Not to mention the white knight faggots who try to step in.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 4:21 am Anonymous

        Did you see all the news about Asus Computers? At a trade show in Taiwan one of their social media people posted a tweet about how the rear of the new computer model looks great, but the rear of the booth babe was prominently in the shot as well and the wording was “the rear looks great”. The “male” tech bloggers are all white knighting now about how noone should ever buy an Asus Computer again as their feminist staff members write enraged stories about how sexism in the tech world has to stop.

        Just search for sexism and Asus and you will see more white knighting tech faggots in five minutes than you thought existed before today.

        One of the most disgusting aspects of the white knighting is that the beta male bloggers are saying “There are so few women in this industry that, in order to try to attract more, we have got to stop being so sexist. It’s just self preservation for us to condemn it”. These manboobs have no clue about how, if anything, techies need to start getting more of a reputation as sexists, not less.

        It would be good to see some male bloggers promote Asus Computers precisely because they are under attack by the fembots.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 1:24 pm itsme

        it’ll only be a matter of time before we start seeing fat ugly booth babes.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 12:26 am SFG

      That’s what did me in for a while. That was the use of this blog: when you realize that what feminists consider sexual harassment is the normal male mating game, then you have to do everything feminists train you not to.

      In short, it’s actually surprisingly effective to be the perfect feminist man–in reverse. Sort of like the way guys doing Black Masses would say the Lord’s Prayer backwards.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 4:24 am Anonymous

        The first rule of game is to forget everything you ever learned about being polite and politically correct and enlightened

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 4:26 am Anonymous

        Just don’t make the mistake of thinking that talking social conservative politics is politically incorrect or alpha. It’s actually very politically correct and beta.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 5:54 pm Tartarus

        No it isn’t. Nothing is alpha or beta in and of itself, it’s all in how you say and do it.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 10:03 am RappaccinisDaughter

      Ding! Ding! Ding! Country Lawyer wins the prize. This is why. And the worst part is, that training that’s being ground into you poor boys is actually here to protect you. They’re *right*. The workplace rules and the laws are now so poorly designed that a man could lose his job and his reputation on the strength of a single accusation. Not even a rape accusation–an accusation that he made someone “uncomfortable.”

      It’s insane and it has to stop. Yes, it’s my body and I have a right to decide who gets to touch it. But I wish that we women could all collectively pull on our big-girl panties and stand up for ourselves if we’re uncomfortable, instead of asking Johnny Law and HR to do it for us. /rant

      Anyway, if you’re in a situation where you’re NOT likely to wind up getting hauled down to HR, touch away. Do keep an eye on her body language. If I don’t want to be touched, I’ll cross my arms and legs and twist sideways away from you. Eye contact will be limited.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 12:03 pm Gil

      It’s probably because a Beta jumps the gun and grabs her inappropriately before she’s ready. Gently touching her in neutral places first ought to be obvious.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 12:24 pm corvinus

        Or they try on nonreceptive women:

        Do keep an eye on her body language. If I don’t want to be touched, I’ll cross my arms and legs and twist sideways away from you. Eye contact will be limited.

        And even if the lack of eye contact and smiling isn’t obvious, actually getting a GF/FB will make the difference crystal clear for most guys.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 1:54 pm That Guy

      @Country,

      I remember my first job in the US and I had to attend mandatory Sexual Harassment training. The company had a short haired, hard faced, low voiced Dyke, dressed in a shoulder-padded suit doing the training. I was amused throughout and thought it was so much poppycock. At the end she asked if there were any questions, I was the only one to raise my hand and asked:

      Me: “Is it OK for me to flirt with girls at work?”
      Dyke: “No, it’s not a good idea, as you could make UNWANTED advances and be reported to HR by her”
      Me: “So is it OK to flirt with co-workers outside of work, say at an office party?”
      Dyke: “No, for the same reason” (Eyes narrow suspiciously)
      Me: “What about after a party, when some people move on to another place for drinks or dancing, not company related?”
      Dyke: “No, not a good idea”
      Me: (Smirking) “So you mean to say that you recommend that whether at work or in private I don’t flirt with co-workers?”
      Dyke: (Very irritated tone) “Yes, I recommend you NOT flirt at all with females whom you work with ANYWHERE!”

      Obviously this was completely hilarious to me – but when I looked around, everyone was silenced and looking at me like I had 3 heads, like how could I be so ignorant and inappropriate?!

      Quite an eye-opener to me!

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 5:11 am sid

        ” how will i know that it is unwanted if i don’t flirt in the first place ”

        after the same answer from her

        ” she can say no and reject me if she wants, she is a big girl, a strong vivacious independent woman making her own choices ”

        LOLOL feminist terms and platitudes.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 5:09 am Virgin

      Yes, I am a beta (or worse) and this was drilled by my mother which said to me “don’t be like your father who touched women”. So for me touching was something bad, something that shouldn’t be done. Now I am 30 years old sexual frustrated virgin.
      Advice for women: don’t turn your sons into beta or omega. Otherwise you will never see your grandsons.

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  6. on June 4, 2012 at 6:20 pm nugganu

    So very very true in my ownexperience, KINO is a massive thing to learn with regards to inner game. Sometimes you’ll have a woman KINO you as well.

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  7. on June 4, 2012 at 6:25 pm Uradyke

    I can tell you without a doubt that touching causes a very distinct change in a girl youre pursuing. It is what will cause her to look at you as a sexual option. Dudes…women want to be violated. Being touched tactfully, she starts to turn into putty in your hand. It triggers submission. Essential stuff to know.

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  8. on June 4, 2012 at 6:28 pm pulsotic

    It’s amazing how much you can get away with in such a short amount of time. I push the kino very fast now and usually have the sexual tension through the roof. Chicks always try to kiss me at the bar and they get impatient when I tell them to wait (till we’re alone). My beta friends just look on in disbelief. It’s faster and more efficient (weeds out time wasters). Beta’s never want to show their desire so for them to do this would require massive will power. Which they don’t have cuz they’re beta. Even just standing close revs up a girl, but watch most (all) guys at the bar and they look afraid to invade her personal space. Sixty got it right.

    Indirect game is undoubtedly effective, but Kino game is easier and more sexually charged (fun) if you got the balls.

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  9. on June 4, 2012 at 6:34 pm Johnson

    “Don’t be surprised if, after a few months of violating every known feminist taboo, you wind up not in a diversity seminar, but between the sheets with a very satisfied woman.”

    This is my story.

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  10. on June 4, 2012 at 6:34 pm Nathan

    Kino also works because girls take it as an indication that you are interested in them. I tend to be reserved around girls and have been told by a lot of girls that I am very intimidating. I’ve probably missed out on a lot of opportunities over the years because of this — girls who I am attracted to and who are attracted to me just think I’m not interested.
    I stumbled upon the power of kino by accident in my extreme beta days. One night I was at a house party and was sitting next to a girl on the couch talking to her. I drunkenly, randomly tapped her on the knee while we were talking. I thought nothing of it but overheard her asking my friend if a guy touching your knee means he likes you. Five minutes later we were making out in the parking lot.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 3:04 am The Whammer

      ‘have been told by a lot of girls that I am very intimidating.’

      That’s just a nice way of them telling you you’re creepy lol

      “Five minutes later we were making out in the parking lot.”

      What are you, like 16?

      And you should take some dancing lessons That way at the very least you’re holding her hand and have the other one on her back in a minute. Then hold her closer so she can feel your hardon against her pussy. That will make her hot unless you’re a complete beta nerd.

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  11. on June 4, 2012 at 6:46 pm Merc

    http://www.reddit.com/r/OneY/comments/ty4k8/how_am_i_supposed_to_meet_girls_when_i_feel_like/

    This is why betas don’t utilize kino. At the very least it’s the self doubt that consumed and confused me through my high school years.

    The consistent demonetization of male desire combined with the literal interpretation of what women claim to want in a man had turned a whole lot of men into self loathing, blubbering wimps.

    Example: When I was 16 I “dated” a girl for several months, and never even tried to kiss her. Every time we were together there were several inner voices, the first, of course, expressing self-doubt, but another which said “if you try anything, at all, then you are a pig and a jerk” because that was the only message I ever got regarding male sexual desire.

    Meanwhile, my best friend, a true “natural,” would literally and bluntly ask girls “how about a blowjob?” during a casual gatherings or parties, and would receive them in spades.

    (Just for clarification, that link above is not me, just something I read that rang true for me.)

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  12. on June 4, 2012 at 6:48 pm That Guy

    I’m reminded of when I came to this country over 20 years ago, and first made an attempt at conversation with American girls. I had become accustomed in Ireland to having a very easy time with girls, as I present well and could talk on any topic. So in Ireland getting sex was easy. Here in the US, girls liked to ask all kinds of questions relating to job/income, whereas in Ireland these things were immaterial to having a good time.
    Anyway, I’m at a function with many guys and girls and have no cultural references, or common interests with anyone, so am at a loss of what to say to start a conversation and more particularly to spark some action. All I can think of is asking some girl, “What star sign are you?”, knowing that would be extremely lame. So after another drink and some contemplation, I decided to do the opposite, I walked up to a group of girls and said to the prettiest, “I bet I can guess your star sign!”. Then proceeded to ad-lib all kinds of BS about her. I had realized that guessing a girl’s star sign would be relatively easy, if I read her micro-gestures, and that she herself would tell me my answer. I proceeded to break down the 12 signs into Fire, Earth, Air and Water, then give her the 3 signs in each of the 4 groups.

    I used this routine over and over to great success, in the early years, adding and modifying as I went. The heart of the routine was to say,
    1. “I need to first see how you walk. Take 5 steps back from me, now walk towards me and then turn.”
    2. Then would say, “You need to turn faster, let’s try that again” (Here I would take her hand and turn her fast as in swing dancing)
    3. Then I would ask her to do the walk “one more time”, this time on turning, I would turn with one hand and use the other to guide her, usually placing it on her back or small of back. Sometimes I would swing her so fast she would fall into me, and I’d help her to her feet.
    4. Then I would critique her look, clothes and overall style – usually with her girlfriends standing close by, and oohing and aahing.
    5. In each case I was making decisions, based solely on her “tells”, and would even narrate my decisions as I went. e.g. “This is tricky, on the one hand you dress like a hippy, but you act demure…” and so on.
    6. I would say aloud my choices, 2 at a time, and muse over them, watching her gestures and her friends too, and successfully read the answer. Of course most girls wanted me to be correct, and would subconsciously help me.

    I must have done this 25 or 30 times, with no failures. The whole routine would take 10-15 minutes, and by then I would have been accepted by the target girl, and her friends.

    Each time the participant would be “astounded” that I had correctly “guessed” her star sign. I guess you could categorize this as a kind of “mentalist” routine.

    The key here is that, while cooperating with me, I had my hands all over her, but it went completely below the radar with her.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 1:54 am Jason

      Nice post. Cheesy as it may sound, guessing zodiac signs is REALLY effective. And the accuracy, in my experience, can be as high as 50/50 as long as you have an interest in it.

      Back in college, one girl challenged me to guess her sign; I had known her for twenty minutes. I immediately said ‘Cancer’. Pure intuition. Her jaw hit the floor. It was a very, very good night after that.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 3:16 am The Whammer

      I must have done this 25 or 30 times, with no failures

      So you shagged 30 then?

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 12:40 pm That Guy

        @Whammy,

        No. There’s no routine that’s that good.

        I never failed in my prediction. That’s the kind of performance that girls will say, “Wow, you’re so smart!”

        It’s the kind of “smarts” they understand and appreciate – after being thoroughly manhandled by me prior, of course.

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  13. on June 4, 2012 at 6:49 pm Firepower

    All you guys now have full permish to go out an touch them ladies. Just think,if you’d have listened to MM 10 years ago, you woulda had 10 years of dirty stories to tell.

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  14. on June 4, 2012 at 6:52 pm nigelbiggame

    This is why I always put my arms around bitches when I’m feeding them. The truth G.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 8:37 pm Firepower

      Good move. I just wrap my legs around ’em

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  15. on June 4, 2012 at 7:25 pm garicov2002@yahoo.com

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/softball-coach-claims-reverse-discrimination-ousting-because-school-100523488.html

    Man fired because the school wanted a female softball coach.

    Reverse discrimination!

    Best comment:
    “Why call it reverse discrimination when it is actually discrimination? Just asking”

    I wonder if the feminists will line up to protest for equal rights.

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    • on June 4, 2012 at 10:17 pm Firepower

      Man fired because the school wanted a female softball coach.

      Reverse discrimination!

      When did stuff like this happen? I’m outraged at this!

      Best comment:
      “Why call it reverse discrimination when it is actually discrimination? Just asking”

      Great turnabout! Put it on them!! We need clever efforts like this!!

      I wonder if the feminists will line up to protest for equal rights.

      Now, this is the real dilemma: Let us know when they march – immediately.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 10:05 am RappaccinisDaughter

      I’m there. Do I have to make my own placard or do you already have some?

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 11:03 am Firepower

        my placard
        is totally
        hot

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 11:38 am RappaccinisDaughter

        The question is this:
        Will you brush my hand with yours
        Handing it over?

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 1:10 pm Firepower

        if you’re over a 7, maybe

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 1:27 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        I was just trying
        To write on-topic haiku
        Because I am bored

        My apologies
        For ripping off your schtick like
        Carlos Mencia

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 8:39 pm Firepower

        never met a chick who wrote poetry
        who was ever over a 5

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 9:04 pm Student

        firepower enjoys cyber flirting. because hes a boss.

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  16. on June 4, 2012 at 8:30 pm Tom

    Does this apply to any LTR as well?

    Or once you have a girl does lots of kino seem needy, as in her hands should be all over you and you should be like the oak tree.

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  17. on June 4, 2012 at 8:39 pm MigsFlecha

    THAT GUY
    from Ireland is it? You are a genius!
    The magic of your little, “I can guess your sign if you do the following actions etc”
    is that if indeed a girl goes along w/ it you have placed her in the limelight.

    You have pulled her away from her gal pals and set the attention on her as the whole bar is now watching you manipulate “her”. (and in a girl’s mind, it is always only about “her”) and it’s not even her “fault” that she is the one pirouetting and pony walking up and down the aisle.
    You are the perpetrator and she is the recipient of all the attention; brilliant!

    Don’t know if I could go thru all the steps you mentioned but I will definetly copy it for my own evil purposes!

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 1:31 pm That Guy

      @MigsFlecha,

      Yeah, when it works well, it’s all action, me leading, directing, opining, dominating and she being moved, being controlled, being submissive – like a mannequin and her master.

      Also, the turning literally has a head spinning effect, and gives a physical swoon, which invigorates the emotional swoon. Sometimes for good measure, after a vigorous twirl, when a girl would stumble into me, I’d add:
      “What… falling for me already?!” to ramp things up.

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  18. on June 4, 2012 at 9:42 pm DarkByke

    The answer is soooooo obvious. Men are indoctrinated by media into thinking if they touch her or say anything wrong to a woman they don’t know, they’ll be slapped or hit in public. Take a look, this is featured in cartoons to every fucking commercial on tv right now.

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  19. on June 4, 2012 at 11:02 pm Flip

    A young friend of Durocher’s once asked him the secret of his success w/ women; I mean, Durocher was middle-aged, balding, and not that handsome.
    Durocher’s answer: “Kid, let me tell you…when you make a date with one pick her up at 7 pm. Then at 7:05…SEVEN-OH-FIVE…you put your hand on her snatch.”

    “Now one of two things can happen: sure, she can knock your hand off, but if she does, it’s still early, plenty of time to make another date. But if she doesn’t…well then, hello dear, you know you’re in for the night.”

    “Kid, you’d be surprised…there are some damn famous broads that don’t knock your hand off.”

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 12:25 am pantyfx

      EVERY FUCKING GIRL I GET ALL FEELY FOR I TRY NOT TO TOUCH JESUS SHITCUNTING CHRIST WHAT THE FUCK HAVE I BEEN FICKETY FUCK DOING

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 4:43 pm The Whammer

      Flip-a little learning is a dangerous thing.You want to be subtle about that. You reach over and help her with her seatbelt and just lightly brush her pussy. She’ll get the idea.

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  20. on June 4, 2012 at 11:51 pm Anonymous

    Great, now we have to start worrying about the hamster’s hamster.

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  21. on June 5, 2012 at 12:38 am chris

    Xenophobia is alpha.
    http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/05/21/0956797611435133.abstract

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 1:12 am Greg Eliot

      Naw… it’s second-tier beta… a sign of sociopathy… proof of having a small penis… caused by jealousy and frustration at not being able to get girls.

      I know this because the coloured play-ahs and their tighty-whitey camp followers on this very site say so… at every opportunity.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 11:04 am Firepower

      xenophobe=alpha

      MY WORK is almost finished here!

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 12:04 pm Anon

      Alpha and wide face are not necessarily correlated.
      Nice try though.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 12:28 pm Greg Eliot

        Male facial width-to-height ratio appears to correlate with antisocial tendencies, such as aggression, exploitation, cheating, and deception. We present evidence that male facial width-to-height ratio is also associated with a stereotypically male prosocial tendency: to increase cooperation with other in-group members during intergroup competition.

        Hmmm… aggression, exploitation, cheating, deception… read much?

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 11:32 am chris

        “Alpha and wide face are not necessarily correlated.”

        But testosterone/androgenisation and wide faces is.

        And i think most people here would say more testosterone=more alpha.

        [heartiste: all else equal, yes.]

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  22. on June 5, 2012 at 2:10 am Jason

    I’m surprised nobody has mentioned the role of culture in forming kino patterns.

    Mexico, Italy, Columbia — Warm, impulsive
    Japan, China, Vietnam — Accomodating but non-impulsive
    Germany, Norway, USA — Cool, decisive

    I remember reading a study that measured touches in a cafe in Puerto Rico versus the touches in a cafe in Berlin. The result was ridiculously lopsided, something like 250 to 3.

    I guess H is saying that men need to learn from the warm, impulsive cultures. The effectiveness of kino also explains the Latin lover archetype.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 11:49 am King A (Matthew King)

      Absolutely. There is no universal wisdom on this topic unless we control for cultural standards. I do not hail from a Mediterranean huggymuffin touchy-feely emotionally-incontinent exhibitionist family. I can count on one hand the number of times I hugged my father. Kissed him? Can’t think of a single instance. Meanwhile, you olive-skinned hirsute unibrows from South Europe are practically making love every time you say hello. Maybe it has to do with the colder climes.

      That said, the essential sexual wisdom of this post is plain. Non-erotic touching scrambles the female brain. It is well known that, of the five senses, the tactile is the most immediately socially powerful (with olfactory the most memorable, visual the most immersive, auditory the most cerebral, gustatory the most internal). Tactile power must have something to do with the intimacy — all other senses besides taste interact with the sensual source from a distance. But until it becomes socially acceptable to collect sensual information with your tongue, lapping at each other’s skin like snakes, touch is the most direct access to the center of her nervous system.

      Matt

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 4:58 pm The Whammer

        You and Jason above need to get out into the world and stop reading “studies” or relying on stereotypes. Most of the population of Italy is north of Florence and they are not the touchy feely types.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 8:09 pm Anon

        Despite his erudition, King A is a bigoted antisocial dumbfuck.
        Don’t act surprised when you stumble upon the symptoms of his sad condition.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 5:20 am sid

        didn’t you read the memo… antisocial bigot is alpha, just scroll up and read the news…….Thanks King A

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 6:29 pm King A (Matthew King)

        I notice cultural distinctions. Therefore I am ipso facto a “bigot.”

        And you think I need to get out more?

        You have so internalized the Kool Aid there has never been a need for you to drink. It must have seeped through to you via your hag-mothers’ uterine lining.

        Matt

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  23. on June 5, 2012 at 3:58 am yareallypua

    Basically almost every approach in these videos involves instant kino:

    Cut the space. It makes a difference.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 10:47 am Anon

      How do we get access to your blog?
      By proving that we’re not keyboard jockeys? Is the password keyboard jockey? I tried but it doesn’t seem to work.
      You want the evidence that we actually go out? I actually have a couple of receipts from two night clubs. Where the fuck do I fax them?

      Or is it a publicity stunt? Making us simmering, is that it?
      How long do we have to wait?
      Do we have to pay?

      GODDAMN IT, YAREALLY, SAY SOMETHING!

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 1:20 pm Anonnnn

        just go read/watch Owen Cook’s Real Social Dynamics. Every word YaReally utters is stolen or reposted straight from there. I don’t think he’s put a single original thought into the PUA-o-sphere but the newbs and KJs look to him like he da man.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 3:29 pm Anon

        No originality.

        He just reposts or recycles RSD’s stuff, which is just stolen from other people like Mystery, Style, David D, or even Ross Jefferies.

        If YaReally isn’t just some dude in his mom’s basement, he might be some “intern” at RSD hyping up more business for RSD.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 7:28 pm yareallypua

        I’ve said since I got here that all I’m doing is re-hashing PUA knowledge that’s already out there and freely available to anyone. The Manosphere is years behind PUA knowledge/tech so I’m just dosing it out to you guys because I know most of you don’t read PUA sites or know where to find “the good stuff”. I try to give credit where it’s due when I explain concepts other PUAs have come up with.

        Tyler and RSD are at the forefront of modern pickup tech so I reference them the most.

        But please, do continue on your retard tangent.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 5:56 pm przemek

        i like TD’s stuff as i do yareally’s comments.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 8:19 pm askjoe

        YR posted some insane videos. They don’t seem to jibe with the host’s description of game, not that there’s a one size fits all thing. But I love the body language details, maybe 180 degrees opposite of what this greater beta/lesser alpha gives off when approaching. It almost makes me take Style’s slams on TD with a grain of salt, as Style comes off as way too talky to make his game realistic. Too bad these videos are mostly marketing teases for buying shit, eh?

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 7:26 pm Cured Beta

        “I don’t think he’s put a single original thought into the PUA-o-sphere”

        I once told the professor who lucidly lectured on general relativity that none of that stuff was his own, that he was just copying shit from another dude who had done all the real work, and that he was a phony trying to impress his dumb students who didn’t know any better.

        “But I can directly assist with specific misunderstandings!” he countered, to which I smugly replied that surely his answers could be found just as well in some book or another. “Then why are you here?” he wondered. Oh, just to knock you down man, easiest way to make me feel good about myself.

        And I’m pretty sure YR’s openers in an older daygame thread around here, about accusing girls of giving made up directions, are his own. Lately, after a lifetime of logical conversation, I’ve been accusing some girls of making up whatever stuff they just said. It’s amazing how swiftly a bored face lights up once she realizes you don’t take her seriously. Even if it turns out that guru X already covered this Y decades ago, I feel no less grateful to the person who brought it to my attention

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 7:36 pm yareallypua

        “And I’m pretty sure YR’s openers in an older daygame thread around here, about accusing girls of giving made up directions, are his own.”

        I have a ton of original material and it’s all brilliant and amazing because I’m awesome. The reason I have a ton of original material is because like every guy studying game SHOULD DO, I looked at the structure of openers, routines, etc., then tested them out thoroughly, then studied why they worked, then built my own material off them. I did this for years until the structure of gaming a girl became subconscious, and now I can just riff whatever I want off the top of my head in the moment and it’s going to follow an attractive/seductive structure.

        ie – I have field experience the Keyboard Jockeys don’t.

        “Even if it turns out that guru X already covered this Y decades ago, I feel no less grateful to the person who brought it to my attention”

        Glad you guys appreciate it. I already know all this shit, I don’t need to be here at all lol I’m just here sharing this information because I was once the guys commenting on this blog and I know how much learning pickup and social dynamics made a difference in my life.

        Unfortunately there are a lot of guys who want to just have a pissing contest and argue about shit they don’t even understand or haven’t practiced or haven’t done successfully enough to have a legitimate opinion on it. It’d be like me going on a science forum and arguing about general relativity. It’s just stupid.

        That’s why I call people out on being Jockeys. I don’t even do that for ME, I can tell who the Jockeys are from their posts, it’s easy. I do it so other guys reading the comments won’t listen to their shitty advice and will instead learn legit game and learn where to find legit teachings.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 7:42 pm yareallypua

        (for the record I’ve had an alias in the PUA community for years and I’ve written some very important articles. My other stuff has actually been covered on CH before lol, so yes, I HAVE put “original thoughts into the PUA-o-sphere”. But my PUA community shit is for advanced PUAs who thoroughly understand PUA game and would be way too in-depth for the Manosphere which is still banging rocks together learning to make fire…here at CH I’m happy just helping you guys figure out that flint works better than other rocks)

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 8:10 pm Cured Beta

        “for the record I’ve had an alias in the PUA community for years and I’ve written some very important articles. My other stuff has actually been covered on CH before lol”

        lol, now you have the tease of all teases on your name, you can safely reveal that alias…

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 12:03 am yareallypua

        lol no I like the anonymity of this alias. No offense but some of the guys on here are way too fucked up, I wouldn’t let them anywhere NEAR my actual social circles.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 10:09 pm Firepower

        Cured Beta

        I once told the professor who lucidly lectured on general relativity that he was just copying shit from another dude who had done all the real work

        Just think how smart you were
        to also pay handsomely
        for that privilege

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 3:32 am Cured Beta

        lol, over here universty education costs like E1700/year for EU members (“socialism” ftw).

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 11:43 am Firepower

        no sarc: you, i could like

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 7:45 pm yareallypua

        “How do we get access to your blog?
        By proving that we’re not keyboard jockeys?”

        Shit, that’s a good idea lol

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  24. on June 5, 2012 at 6:32 am Dr. Jeremy

    Excellent stuff. I have made similar points in a series of research-based articles here:
    How to Flirt and Seduce with Touch
    How to Influence and Persuade with Touch
    How to Start (or Restart) Your Sex Life with Touch

    Ample research indicates that touch builds attraction, is influential, and can be carefully escalated for maximum impact.

    Incidentally, I also received ample feedback from women on my articles. Their responses clearly showed the fight between “feminist” and “hamster” you describe above. Biologically, women swoon for touch. Socially, many bristle at the loss of control that it elicits in them.

    In addition, the comments and emails also showed that many women are acutely aware of the impact that their touch has on men. So, be sure, they are using touch as well. Some just might not be keen on having the same technique used back on them…

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 7:44 pm (R)Evoluzione

      Feminism is weak sauce compared to the almighty Hamster. The hamster’s going to annihilate 99 times out of a hundred. Unfortunately (for beta males/those branded as ‘creepy,’) the one hamster loss in one hundred may be grounds for a sexual harassment charge or other such feminist retribution, not for touching, but for not being an alpha male.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 11:35 pm Lady Thalia

      Dr. Jeremy Nicholson is the same douchebag who in his article about ‘where have all the good men gone’ on the Psychology Today website states that in response to the ‘lack of good men’ women ‘can choose’ to respond thusly:

      “What Some Women Do About It

      Beyond highlighting this double-bind for all, I will save the “what men can do” for another time. For women, a number of possible solutions exist, including the following:

      3) Mixed-Mating—yet other women join the “best of both worlds” club. Here, think polyamory, open relationships, or a hot boyfriend on the side. Evolutionary psychology indicates that women sometimes use this strategy to seek the most stable and supportive partnership from one man, and the best genes for children from another. When women can’t find it all in one guy, some choose to mix-and-match. For a more detailed analysis, see Cashdan (1996).”

      What a traitor to the male gender. To even suggest as the remotest possibility that 3) is a ‘possible solution’ is just fucking sickening. I called him on this in the comments, and like a typical mealy mouthed shrink, he danced around it saying how he was just stating what some women choose to do. NO YOU DIDN’T YOU ASSHOLE, YOU CLEARLY STATE THAT 3) IS A POSSIBLE SOLUTION TO THE SUPPOSED SHORTAGE OF GOOD MEN.

      Jeremy Nicholson why don’t you use your fancy fake education to promote good instead of suffering you first class idiot. For shame. You sir are pathetic. Learn at the Chateau. And stop spreading toxic feminist slime on the internet.

      momof5sons

      http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-attraction-doctor/201203/why-women-cant-find-good-man

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 2:50 pm jeremy nicholson

        Dear Thalia,

        If it is not obvious from my writing, let me make something clear. I am not a social advocate for any particular group. I provide information for both men and women, of all ages and sexual orientations.

        The majority of the time, I try to provide advice that is beneficial to BOTH men and women. However, due to the reality of dating and mating, some tactics are indeed one-sided. Both men and women can employ such one-sided tactics…and do so regularly. This reality should not be lost on you – or Chateau readers. It is a routine topic on this site and others.

        Because I write for both men and women, however, sometimes an individual article will be a bit more male or female centered. The article you cite is indeed providing advice to women. Other articles in my archive are neutral, or male-centered and provide advice whereby men are satisfied. I don’t hear any complaints from you about those articles on my site or here, whereby men get the upper hand…

        So, perhaps it would be best for you to stick with my male-centered writing. At the least, I would request that you don’t disparage my overall work or education based on false pretenses or disagreement with a single point of advice in one of my articles. Explaining one common, selfish, tactic women choose does not make me a traitor – nor does advising men in other articles makes me a misogynist. It simply means that I am not the female-or-male social police…nor have I claimed to be.

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  25. on June 5, 2012 at 9:11 am gig

    Alpha males don’t create too much technology

    Aaahh, Whiskey, how could I live so many months without reading your Scots-Irish! Tell me more how about all those Diablo-playing-nerds will find the cure of cancer anytime soon! And whattabout Ir an? I am losing my sleep because the mull.ahs under my bed keep shaking it every night ! Please, please, National Review readers should all enlist and go there destroy evil before Evil tryumphs!

    guessing zodiac signs is REALLY effective

    True. The thing is, astrology is serious business, but was infested by women and new age gurus who made it look silly because women and gurus ARE silly. I always suggest that men should read astrology books, but only those written by men and before WWII since after that the New Agre crowd infested the area.

    Naw… it’s second-tier beta… a sign of sociopathy… proof of having a small penis

    Not at all. The current crowd is loser/beta, but the cause is as alpha as it gets. Try framing it as “we will only accept immigrants that do not reduce the % of female beauty in the host country”. Can you imagine a cause that is more alpha than fighting for female beauty? Oppose welfare and mass immigration is just that…

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 12:31 pm Greg Eliot

      Dude, I was being facetious.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 1:37 pm Jason

      No, gig, Linda Goodman’s Sun Signs is a classic in the field of astrology. It’s great reading, was written in the 60s, and she’s obviously a female.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 3:45 pm gig

        Anyway, I think you got my point. So when I say “women are silly”, there is an obvious exception, which is my mom.

        But astrology is serious business, not only because of women believe the stuff, but also because there is much more truth in it than most people acknowledge.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 4:44 pm Tyrone

        That work is a glib piece of trash. She made a lot of money off it though.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 3:09 pm Tyrone

      Good observation on astrology being taken over by dipshits like Linda Goodman, but I disagree a bit on the astrology sources. I practice astrology and cast my own charts. I thought I was the only one here who cared about the art.

      Robert Hand is the best astrologer living, maybe ever in history. He’s right up there with William Lilly and Ptolomy and wrote his best stuff in the 70s. Robert Pelletier is good, John Townsend is as well. Frances Sakoyan and Louis Acker are also good and have the Astrologer’s Handbook and Planets in Synastry as their good works. Hand’s best works are Planets in Transit and Composite Charts. Townsend’s work is a very good one on Composite Charts. Pelletier has a good work on interpreting transits as well.

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  26. on June 5, 2012 at 9:14 am gig

    @ chris & greg

    “They shouldn’t come because they will take my job” >>> BETA

    “They should remain in the hellholes they were born because their women are ugly and their men are unable to produce beautiful daughters even if they marry our women” >>>>> ALPHA

    capisce?

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  27. on June 5, 2012 at 9:20 am gig

    measured touches in a cafe in Puerto Rico versus the touches in a cafe in Berlin

    It is amazing how any English-language forum will move into German-bashing so quickly. It seems that German superiority reaaally hit a nerve.

    If I knew more about HTML I would post two graphs, the Unemployment rate for Germany, the US and the UK for the last 30 years and Public Debt in the same timespan. I bet some would consider it bullying

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 1:22 pm beta_plus

      Dude, relax. All that poster is showing is that there are sometimes cultural adjustments that one has to make while running game or possible sexual arbitrage opportunities. Read roosh if you don’t believe me that that is sometimes necessary.

      I’m fairly sure the poster is not trying to dis Germany. Believe me, if there is a game forum that generally thinks the Germans are usually superior it’s this one (though not as superior as Russian chicks).

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 1:40 pm Jason

        Thanks, there was no disrespect meant to Germany.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 3:14 pm Tyrone

        I’m fairly sure the poster is not trying to dis Germany. Believe me, if there is a game forum that generally thinks the Germans are usually superior it’s this one (though not as superior as Russian chicks).

        Been married to both German and Ukrainian women. Ukrainians are far easier to live with and have most of Germany’s positive traits without the little policeman in their heads.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 4:19 pm Lara

        Russian men are pretty good looking, too. Unfortunately, I think they will only marry an American woman for money.

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  28. on June 5, 2012 at 10:30 am bigsby

    There goes the ‘social contract’: http://theprivateman.wordpress.com/2011/08/16/the-broken-gender-social-contract/

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  29. on June 5, 2012 at 11:23 am JZ

    Touching the upper arm or elbow is an extremely innocuous way to get a stranger’s attention. Use it on girls all the time, even if I’ve no interest in them.

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  30. on June 5, 2012 at 12:15 pm Gil

    The “hover hand” is just plain pathetic. If you’re not going to touch her then don’t pretend to. I’d feel like dying of embarrassment if I ever got caught doing that (doubly so if someone took a picture of it).

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 2:44 pm BD

      @Gil: I’m so glad Heartiste sent out that tweet about hover hands. I never heard of it before, but damn if it isn’t a clear-as-day embodiment of what beta males are (and what the Game blogs tries to fix). I’ll have to go back into my photo albums and see if I did any of that hover shit.

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  31. on June 5, 2012 at 1:04 pm beta_plus

    What’s the best guide to escalation out there? I’m very good about initial kino, but totally lost on where to go from there.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 1:54 am manofthetimes

      As another poster mentioned, 60 Years of Challenge has some incredibly insightful stuff that I highly recommend. Your inner game will be consistently tested by your target(s) using his methods but it’s my primary game and highly effective when mastered.

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  32. on June 5, 2012 at 1:21 pm Rollo Tomassi

    • An easy, early facility with kino
    • Irrational self-confidence beyond what appearance would merit
    • A fearless, natural ability for Cocky & Funny in spite of socialized restraints
    • An ambient presence of Amused Mastery

    All of the above are subliminal cues of Alpha status. Due to hypergamy, women have an evolved subconscious sensitivity to behavioral indicators that would imply sexual preselection for a man.

    By definition, hypergamy is always seeking its ‘golden opportunity’ for breeding potential, but, from an evolutionary perspective, it’s inefficient for a woman to wait for evidential confirmation of sexual preselection. Thus evolved hypergamy fine-tuned women’s psychological ‘firmware’ for sensitivity to behavioral cues that would indicate a man has been preselected by other women prior to her opportunity to breed with him.

    PUArtistry is essentially the ‘art’ of stimulating a woman’s Alpha sensitivity ‘firmware’. Environmental/behavioral stimulus (i.e. Kino) triggers physical response. Had the experimentation accounted for bio-chemistry I’m fairly certain kino would’ve also prompted an endorphin response, and dilated pupils in women.

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  33. on June 5, 2012 at 3:21 pm Sidewinder

    This is one of the best posts on this subject because Heartiste has woven the underlying and broader truth of successful game into this very specific example. Touching a woman works, so long as you have the inner game to do so congruently to a woman’s notion of a confident, or at least comfortable, male.

    The study makes a big deal about the woman’s reaction in the absence of overt sexual interest. But that’s exactly it: the absence of approval-seeking outcome-dependent motivations turn women on. While the details are not provided in the study, it appears that the male providing the touch in the sample was doing so in a casual, non-threatening manner. The study appears to have been designed so that the interaction was completely socially-appropriate. The females were subjected to comfortable interactions with a man who could at least pull off the interaction and touching in such a way that it did not disturb the female subjects. The man didn’t need a good line or the right script: it was the genuine absence of any ulterior motivation that allowed the women to be naturally attracted to the male’s interaction.

    I am relatively certain that an awkward, uncomfortable male stumbling over his words, unnaturally prodding or grabbing the female subject during the interaction at socially-inappropriate times, would have caused a negative female response. And I’m sure that a touch from another woman or inanimate object would not cause a positive response. It isn’t that the touch is magic. It is the man that is able to provide the touch that turns them on.

    Women are attracted to that fact that men are taller, stronger, calmer, more authentic and more sure of themselves. Game is not so much about adding new tricks, lines and body language postures as it is removing self-imposed impediments to a man’s inner maleness. In this way, game and natural game (or JBY pickup philosophy) are not inconsistent once a man has his inner game straightened out.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 10:04 am geo

      Good post.
      My ex dumped a guy she was dating. I asked her why and she said “because he pokes at me”. She demonstrated by repeatedly jabbing my shoulder and side with her finger. It wreaked of outcome dependence.

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  34. on June 5, 2012 at 3:25 pm Sid

    I think Harold Bloom claims that he can read 400-500 pages an hour, and in his prime, could read 1000 in an hour. On one hand, he’s demonstrated a vast, broad knowledge over literature, but he also comes off as insufferably self-absorbed, so I don’t know what to make of that claim.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 6:09 am Tyrone

      Harold isn’t reading much of anything these days, he died a few years back.

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  35. on June 5, 2012 at 3:51 pm gig

    @ Tyrone

    It is not only dipshits taking over, but most people who take time to think about it think that since there are only 12 signs in the Zodiac, while the number of different personnalities any of us now, combined with the range of possible life outcomes far exceeds 12, then Astrology is BS. Logically , indeed.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 4:39 pm Tyrone

      This where you’re wrong. There are over 6500 different possible combinations in a birth horoscope alone and the sun sign, which is what people think astrology is all about is only a small factor in one’s personality. That is why guessing star signs is iffy at best. I’m no good at all at just guessing for instance. I don’t claim to know how or why astrology works, but I have used it extensively in my own life and have found it to be a very useful tool. Every time I start to doubt astrology, I’m proven wrong.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 4:41 pm gig

        I was making the same point, actually! Most people won’t anything beyond the Zodiac

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 4:47 pm Tyrone

        Alles klar. Then I misunderstood you. My apologies. Good to hear someone else likes to use astrology.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 6:00 pm Beer Monkey

        Zodiac sign matchups have been PROVEN to have zero statistical significance re: compatibility. http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/how-races-and-religions-match-in-online-dating/

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 4:00 am Stark

        Well, who are the ones making Astrology charts these days? Complete morons.
        I believed most of my life that astrology was bullshit, I also thought that my sign was different, but after finding out my real sign (Scorpio), which somehow fitted nicely into my personality, I think that the problem may be in the people who write today’s astrology, and the most of the people who belive in it, not the craft itself. I’ve gone from thinking that it wasn’t true to being agnostic towards it.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 6:07 am Tyrone

        Compatibility anaysis requires about six charts. Its way more complex than mere sun sign compatibility.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 12:09 pm AlphaBeta

        Astrology’s only utility is learning how to think and speak like a woman. The not-quite logical logic of astrlogical language is a good tool to have for cold readings and other sorts of language games that drive the hamster crazy.

        Anyone who thinks that astrology actually has any relationship with personality thinks the brain runs on magic instead of chemistry and biology. Again, that is girl logic.

        A gf of mine tried to rationalize the mechanism behind astrology by claiming it was due to the gravity associated with the various sun/moon/constellation combinations. Sorry, driving around in your car everyday puts you under a couple orders of magnitude more gravity than some constellation; the advent of fast transport should have thrown too many wrenches into astrological predictions from all of the pregnant women driving, flying, or taking trains to make them useless. But that didn’t happen.

        Astrology apologists are a good example of the literary
        genre of science
        .

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 12:55 pm Jason

        Agreed that we don’t have a scientific cause for astrology yet. Agreed that it makes chicks swoon.

        However, there’s no dismissing the fact that — as mentioned above — I can guess a person’s sun sign, or at least significantly narrow it down to three possibles. Lots of other people can do the same. It DOES have a relationship to personality. I have no freaking idea HOW, but it does.

        Study it further, and you’ll see. But you have to drop your prejudice first.

        Read Michael Crichton’s “Travels” when he encountered a similar drop-the-logical-prejudice moment. It was at a spoonbending party. He couldn’t explain it, but it was happening right before his eyes.

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  36. on June 5, 2012 at 4:28 pm Gilbert

    “Save the petting for private areas” – I wouldn’t pet anything BUT private areas. Yuk yuk.

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  37. on June 6, 2012 at 9:22 am Special K

    Honestly I think approach anxiety and a lack of kino are the two things that kill most guys.

    If you’re really nervous about opening kino, one thing you can try is the “Palm Reader” routine. It takes about 10 minutes to learn where the lines in the palm are so that you don’t blow yourself out of the water if you meet a closet gypsie. After that you pretty much just make shit up and cold-read the target.

    Even now, there’s two times when I’ll break that out. 1: If my target seems like she’s into that new-age astrology tarot card bullshit. 2: If she’s with a group of friends, who seem socially conservative and likely to cock-block if I attempt direct kino in front of them.

    Just a little light touching makes the girl in the latter group far more compliant, which in turn makes her much easier to isolate from the cock-blocks.

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  38. on June 6, 2012 at 10:56 am geo

    Congruence seems to be a fairly recent topic but I’m finding it to be a very useful model for applying game principals in the field, diagnosing what went wrong and calibrating my behavior accordingly.

    Congruence provides a tactile link between inner and outer game and the way you touch women really illustrates this.

    Congruent behavior itself may not build attraction or cause girls to even notice you but Incongruent behavior destroys attraction and cripples social interactions in general.

    So much of learning new concepts is finding language to talk about them

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  39. on June 6, 2012 at 2:03 pm gig

    Read Michael Crichton’s “Travels”

    Michael Crichton is exactly the kind of baby-boomer freak who makes Astrology looks silly. I hold to my point, almost everything written by women, or post-WWII by any gender, is trash. A guy who wrote Jurassic Park is undeniably smart, but that is exactly the kind of ficction that can be safely labeled as trash. Jurassic Park added nothing to Human Knowledge and actually subtracted a lot of it from an entire generation

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 5:46 pm Special K

      Astrology does a pretty good job of making itself look stupid without any help.

      Fact 1: Stars are balls of hydrogen going nuclear due to gravitational compression at the core.

      Fact 2: Stars are INCREDIBLY far away. For the one closest to earth, Light has to travel for 4 years and 3 months just to reach us. However for the overwhelming majority of visible stars, we’re talking hundreds if not thousands of years travel time.

      Fact 3: It’s irrational bordering on the lunatic to believe a ball of gas from hundreds of billions of miles away can tell you anything about your life today.

      Fact 4: When making charts, astrologers take the current positions of the planets (whose light takes a few minutes to reach earth) and compare them with the where (via fact 2) the stars were THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. The timeline is completely incongruous.

      Seriously. Astrology is even lower on the respectable vs bullshit scale than psychics, ghosts, and feminist lesbians who think warm and cuddly thoughts about men. Hell, at least it’s more plausable than the easter bunny.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 2:23 pm Tyrone

        Astrology doesn’t use stars at all except for the Sun, which it treats as a planet. It is also geocentric. However, it works very well if you know how to use it. Tarot cards also work very well, once again, if you take the time to learn how to use them and ujnderstand their limitations. BTW, Gypsies are all crappy fortune tellers and will try to rip you off every time. I’ve heard all of your arguments before, even from Howard Hinmann. I acknowledge their factual basis, but they still fail to explain the phenomenon.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 8:56 pm Jason

      Wow, poison the well much?

      Amazing that you’ve swept Albert Camus, Cormac McCarthy, Tom Wolfe, Salman Rushdie, Christopher Hitchens, Annie Dillard, and about a thousand other fantastic writers, fiction and nonfiction, out to sea … all with a few clicks of your all-knowing keyboard. Including much of modern evo psych.

      Really, it’s better to avoid dumb generalizations and argue specific facts. For example, Jurassic Park (book and movie) woke up about a billion ignorant people to the simple theme that genetic engineering can be dangerous. I’d call that adding to human awareness.

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  40. on June 7, 2012 at 2:54 am Mike

    This shit works with more than just women. As a car salesman I use kino on all my customers.

    A subtle forearm tap while following up with “..actually I’ve got the PERFECT choice for you” really helps create good anticipation for whatever car i’m going to show them.

    To tell you the truth, you can learn ALOT about game through selling cars. From being numbers focused, to taking (LOTS of) rejection, to creating good vibes, to kino.

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  41. on June 7, 2012 at 3:17 am Manliga och kvinnliga interaktioner « Yasers hörna

    […] Test visar att kvinnor blir omedvetet varmare av att män rör dem, även om det är icke-sexuellt laddat [källa]. […]

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  42. on June 7, 2012 at 3:25 am Pickup artist « Yasers hörna

    […] Kino: Rör kvinnan tidigt och ofta. Fela genom att röra för mycket istället för att röra för lite. [källa] […]

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  43. on June 7, 2012 at 7:39 pm nati

    so if you do mess up and activate the woman’s anti slut defense or you’ve misread the signals and you get a negative reaction, what’s the alpha way to recover from that quickly?

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 10:35 am manofthetimes

      Blame her playfully. “Did you really have to wear THAT shirt?” <>

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  44. on June 9, 2012 at 3:31 am Ceasar

    You guys are a bunch of horny dorks who have probably never been laid.

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  45. on June 11, 2012 at 12:12 pm Talon

    Heartiste, I love your posts. Your advice is pricelessly valuable. But your frequent misuse of large words is distracting and confusing. I have no idea what you mean until I look up your word and realize you used the wrong one. Example:

    “…women use to screen men into *despondent* categories of desirable and undesirable.”

    You meant “*disparate* categories”.

    [heartiste: no, i knew what i was doing. i meant despondent because i was evoking the melancholy nature of dividing humans into categories. the way the word was used was not ideal though, i’ll give you that.]

    Other examples in this post are “vellus” and “impertinences”.

    [impertinence means unmannerly intrusion. its usage was correct. vellous was a simple misspelling.]

    I’m not saying to limit your vocabulary. But if you would reference a dictionary when you use unusual words, it would increase the readability of your posts. Vocabulary is one arena where overconfidence is actually a detriment if you are trying to communicate clearly.

    [clarity often conflicts with creativity.]

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 7:34 am Talon

      Mostly agreed. My problem with “impertinences” was the fact that you made it plural. Based on other definitions, I’m pretty sure dictionary.com means “[a state of] unmannerly intrusion” rather than “[an act of] unmannerly intrusion”. It would be like saying “rudes”, “impolites”, or “vulgars”.

      I understand that our difference in emphasis on creativity vs clarity is a difference in game/vibe style. Which I respect.

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