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Spot The Beta Male Tell

June 5, 2012 by CH

A “relationship advice” guy who writes for Yahoo/Match/Tyrell Corporation published letters from readers who described the crazy things they did for love. Now, there is an alpha way to do crazy-in-love, and there is a beta way. Read this first letter and see if you can identify the tells that mark the writer of this letter as a beta male.

I went to bat for her engagement ring 
“My girlfriend and I had been together for about three years, and I was sure she was the one I wanted to marry. Problem was, I didn’t exactly have enough money to get her a good engagement ring. So, in order to raise funds, I put my collection of baseball trading cards on eBay. We’re talking a collection that spanned, like, 20 years, thanks to some cards handed down by my dad. I was totally bummed to part with them because they were so important to me, but I really, really loved this girl. I ended up making more than enough money to pay for a ring. Problem was, when I got down on one knee, she told me that she couldn’t see spending the rest of her life with me. I should’ve stuck with Shoeless Joe Jackson.”
— Owen, 26, Chagrin Falls, OH

Chagrin Falls is appropriate. Often, when reading these sad sack stories, one has the nagging feeling that a better grasp of the market value of the players would clarify why this or that venality visited the protagonist. Discerning the sexual market value of a woman online, when no photo is available, is tricky; women will aggressively lead the reader to believe, absent hard visual evidence, that they are desired by most men. The sexual market value of men is a bit easier to root out in written, online mediums because I find that men are a little more careless about revealing their beta cores. Reading between the lines for male and female beta tells is a fun pastime that I heartily recommend.

Back to the letter: you might be tempted to think that getting a girl an engagement ring is pure beta male, but because so many men fall into the diamond industrial complex trap, it’s not quite the tell that it should be. Instead, the big tells are the writer’s baseball card collection, his willingness to trade one of his most valuable possessions for a rock to slip on a girl’s finger (betraying his father’s love in the process), and, worst of all, his bended knee proposal.

Collections of the sort that are particularly unappealing to women are leading indicators of betaness, because a man who is good with women and able to get sex will not have the patience or motivation to amass piles of mostly useless junk that don’t add to his attractiveness to women. Baseball cards are the province of little boys and grown betas.

But it’s a forgivable tell. Alpha males have the systematizing instinct as well, and collections that can be categorized and subcategorized are addictive to all kinds of men. The bigger beta tell was this guy’s willingness to sever a holy bond, via baseball card, with his father to enrich his girlfriend. The man who sells off a bequeathed treasure from his dad to please his woman is an unprincipled cipher of beta provisioning. No woman with the least bit of character would, if known to her, allow her boyfriend to hock his pop’s heirloom for a blood diamond. Most American women don’t have the least bit of character.

Finally, the cringe-worthiest beta male tell was the bended knee beggary. If anything, since men give up more to get married, it’s women who should drop on bended knee thanking their boyfriends for making honest whores out of them. I don’t care how super alpha you are or how much self-handicapping you can endure without penalty, dropping to one knee is exquisitely, insufferably BETA. Ignore my advice to skip the nuptials for loving LTRs, but for the memory of millions of ancestors who harnessed the power of testicular fortitude to usher you into this world, don’t get down on your knees before a woman. You’re just asking to be treated like the dog who waits dutifully at the door with the leash in its mouth.

Three beta male tells, each worse than the last. The coda to this miserable letter should surprise no one, but I bet it surprised the letter writer. No woman wants to share her life with a man she has to look down at to see.

For shits and giggles, here’s another letter that represents the exact opposite of the one above.

I found out the hard way that our love wasn’t going to go the distance
“My boyfriend of a year and four months had to move for his job. It wasn’t dramatically far away, but it was still three states over. I was living in Ohio then, and he had to move to Maryland. We talked on the phone, wrote letters and all that, and I could tell that he was getting increasingly homesick. I decided to surprise him by ducking out of work early one Friday, driving over to see him — it’s about five or six hours by car — and cheering him up. Turns out I didn’t need to, though, because when I showed up at his apartment that night, I found him having dinner with a woman he met at work. At least I didn’t need to worry about staying awake on the long drive home — I was too upset to fall asleep.”
— Jackie, 27, Manhasset, NY

Spot the alpha male tell. Lessee… was it when he got himself a new woman who would be locally available for poundage sessions, so he wouldn’t have to spend months of his valuable life celibately pining for faraway pussy? Could be!

“Manhasset”, indeed.

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  1. on June 5, 2012 at 4:53 pm The Geographer

    Cue Great Books for Men in 5, 4, 3…

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 7:37 pm M

      having a blog is beta since you’re not fucking when you write.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 2:48 am Mockingjay

        You’ve made my day.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 7:40 am The Geographer

        You’re both morons.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 6:32 am xsplat

        I’ve never averaged more than four or five hours per day fucking, over a year. Have you?

        It’s neither possible nor desirable to fuck every waking hour every day. Weekend sessions of eat sleep fuck are fine, but even during such sessions other leisurely pursuits such as writing have their time.

        But I don’t know why I’m being logical with a troll.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 5:52 pm Obstinance Works

        Yep. Fucking is indeed just another fun thing to do. I guess that is why I will never respect women very much–married or not.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 10:39 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 10:47 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        during my rap carrer rap artsist careeere i rapped about da betas bros zlzoozozozozozzo

        hoes before beta bros zlzozooz

        yah man feel free to use it all anywhere lzozlzolzzoz i thk the matrix post would be funny in digital animation:

        http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/i-can-show-you-the-way-neo-but-you-will-have-to-walk-it-zlozlzlzozzlozlzlzo/

        alos one cock rule would rock as a animated rap:

        OMG both of you betado9uches above are violating THE ONE COCK RULE!!!

        You are alloowing chix to bring other COCKS into your mind lozlzlzzoz zlozllzl. The second a chick makes me think of another cock she is outta my house outta my mind or if she’s texting on a date which almost never happens because i almost never date i go “i gotta use the men’s room lzozlzl” and then i leave her with the bill. she can text her ten other cocks to comne over and pay for her drniks/dinner lzozlzlzllzlzlz and then,. after paying, they have full right to gizizizizizalizzz all over her lzozlz

        “I’ve been seeing this girl for a year. We live together and I’ve still got hand.”

        OMG lzozzlzll wtf are fuckity fucks doing with chix in your homes? lzozlzlzlz omg lozlzlzlzlzl looozers lzozlzlzlz1!! hzhzh

        THEY VIOLATE THE ONE COCK RULE THEY ARE OUT! OUT!

        OUT!

        O U T OUT! lzozlzlzl

        OMG lozlzlzozlozozolzl wft r u doing dating a chick 4 a yer did your dick fall off? Were yu chosen by Beernanke and given an award and medal to support today’s slutty slutt vampiressses cuckholders cockcutters?

        sounds 2 me it is the latter as u have no cock lzozlzlzlzl lzzozl

        and she made you think of another cock

        fucktard haven’t u heard of the one cock rule?

        hey yo!! let’s teach these douches somethin ’bout nbein a man yo!

        throw a beat over this way.
        yo yo yo yo
        yo yo yo

        now hit it!

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no beta fool i ain’t no beta tool
        about another cock ya make me think
        i’m gone, yo bitch,
        let the betas buy yas yer next drink

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no beats fool i ain’t no beta tool
        over vampires and werewolfe you ginas all drool
        letting their cocks touch your deep down stool
        then you blame the betas in school
        and transfer wealth for the bernanke gene pool
        jonah goldberg sends our alphas 2 die on foreign shores
        stuffing his face with dc pizza as they die in fiat wars
        neocon womenz repeating butthexers lies in their mags
        even after menopause and no need for da ragz
        telling young chickas to lust after vampires
        as they build their fiat empires

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
        about another cock ya make me think
        i’m gone, yo bitch,
        let the betas buy yas yer next drink

        let the betas pay to raise your bastard kids
        let the betas sign teh fiat masters marriage contracts
        theft in fiat inflation is hid
        as they swing their bankrupting axe
        i don’t care what last night u did,
        ever since i kicked ya gina out, i been relaxed.

        as they promote butthex across the land
        ripping out fetuses from parenthood planned
        as fathers form teh homes the neocons ban
        the atalnatic authoresses just don’t undertsand

        but when chix wakes up and her butt is sore
        it’s not my fault no–it’s cause she’s a whore
        as the fiat masters desoul women with butthex cock
        teach them to transfer wealth with pre-teen strumpet rock

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
        about another cock ya make me think
        i’m gone, yo bitch,
        let the betas buy yas yer next drink

        womenz womenz bernanke took advanatge of you
        you wasted your best years on vampires and werewolves
        and now you cry your tears cause of your sore anus
        stamp your little feet saying, “you betas must pay for this!!!”

        and aging neocon women promoting butthexing vampires
        teacxhing women to lust after the undead
        as the neocons suck the western world dry
        bankrupting it all,m enlsaving it debt
        while selfish womenz at the atalnatic monthly
        cry cry cry
        cry cry cry
        not for you or me
        but for themselves
        not for the 50,000,000 aborted souls
        but for their dried up ginas and sore assholes
        so many chances they had to marry a nice guy
        but he left her dry
        so whe butthexed with the asshole
        and now see her cry
        and wonder why
        and transofrm the entire univeristy
        into a program to further the fiat lie
        to transfer wealth and wage war and death
        to about fifty million more
        and redefine fifty cocks in her ass as empowered
        and not a whore

        all together now!

        lzozllzzl lozlzlz zlozozoz
        lozlzl lzozozlz ozlzooz zlo9oo
        lozlzlz ozlzoozl ozlzlzoz lzozlz zlzoz zlzozzlozlzozlo

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
        about another cock ya make me think
        i’m gone, yo bitch,
        let the betas buy yas yer next drink
        alreayd seen yer pink stink
        bent ya over the sink

        and howscomes the bankers southpark never does satarize
        because everything is fair game–truth love honor–excpet for fiat butthexing lies.

        all together now!

        lzozllzzl lozlzlz zlozozoz
        lozlzl lzozozlz ozlzooz zlo9oo
        lozlzlz ozlzoozl ozlzlzoz lzozlz zlzoz zlzozzlozlzozlo

        AND THREE COCK RULE:

        ^^^^ to the 24 for or so tardbetadouches who voted my “one cock rule” rap down

        lozlzlzlzlozzllzlzlzlz

        what do ya want?

        a two cock rule rap?

        or three cock rule?

        three cock rule, three cock rule,
        i’m a beta herb my own cock won’t do
        i need a chick to cuckold me
        i need a chick on me to pee
        three cock rule, three cock rule,
        i love being the greater fool
        one cock in her mouth, one in her anus,
        i keep mine in my pants,
        and pay her bills and rent and fare for da bus.
        so she can club and grind, on denim cocks dance.
        three cock rule, three cock rule,
        i treat my lady like a nice guy,
        give her chivarly while with 2 others she doth lie,
        three cock rule, three cock rule,
        while your cock doth touch her stool,
        i play videogames @ home in my single mom’s basement,
        as teh fed fianance feminsits studies @ school,
        teaching her to love and bail out the butthexers,
        to persucte me 4 letting her live 4 free,
        while she tickles drummer/druggie cock until it goes
        splooge splooge splooge! tee hee tee hee!
        three cock rule, three cock rule,
        i’m the beta herb, teh cuckholded fool,
        i respect her, keep my cock in my pants,
        fund her with other cocks to dance.

        lozlzlzlzl

        or would u betaherbs prefer a five cock rule rap! omg i bet someofya would like dat! lzozl

        lzozozozo

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 1:51 pm SFG

        Silly girl, rings are for kids.

        I’m going to remember that one.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 11:15 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      lzozozzozo

      what dis proves is dat peoplez in OHIO\

      both menx z and womenz

      are fucked zlzoozlzlz and betas feel chagrined as womenz man manassets it with another chcik on his dicklzozozlzoz

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 12:23 pm Darius Jackson

      And AB Dada right behind. 5,4,3,…

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  2. on June 5, 2012 at 4:55 pm A.B. Dada

    When I get married again*, it will not include an expensive ring or me on one knee.

    No, it will be me grabbing the gal from the kitchen just before she starts cooking me lunch, telling her to come with me for a ride, driving to the courthouse to fill out the paperwork and having a judge take care of it — with none of her friends or family present to celebrate.

    That story just makes me cringe — I *was* that guy on one knee, but thankfully the $50,000 diamond ring was free (her grandmother gave it to me to use).

    *I do plan on marrying again, but not until I’m old and tired and ready to truly let the body rest. I’ll marry someone far younger, with a job, who can provide some corporate insurance coverage for my aging body and mind.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 8:34 pm carioca

      You can generate healthy children with 70yo or even more. Don´t hurry.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 9:42 pm steve

      Reading your comments always makes me laugh. You are unintentionally hilarious more than you can imagine.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 6:25 am Art Vandelay

      See a true alpha would have hocked that 50k ring and disappeared.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 12:25 pm Darius Jackson

        …After a vigorous pipe-laying session with granny.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 8:34 am Redleg

      Yes, YES. Deprive her of the marriage industrial complex. Courtroom weddings are GREAT.

      I have a female co-worker who is engaged to her longtime boyfriend. She’s also having a very obvious affair with a male co-worker. The affair is ho-hum, but what’s striking is that all she talks about, day in, day out, is stressing over wedding preparations. Her marriage is dead on arrival, already, and her hamster is still playing wedding planner.

      Deprive the hamster of it’s big make-believe ceremony. Feed it only pellets.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 8:46 am Lara

      Just what every woman dreams about: an old man, who she has to support and take care of.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 12:55 pm LostSailor

        That’s good to know!

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 11:45 am Darius Jackson

        But imagine when he goes down on her after taking his teeth out!

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  3. on June 5, 2012 at 4:59 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    I have a completely OT question about “Auto Game”.

    I’m wondering what the acceptable protocol is for when when you’re hurtling down the 405 freeway at 80mph in your Porsche and you pass a hot blonde in a little Jetta.

    Are there certain hand signals you could use to get her attention, or perhaps a collection of laminated signs (including your name and ‘phone #) to wave at her?

    Just wondering.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 5:22 pm Tyrone

      Give her the Stuka Pilot salute and speed off.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 7:03 pm AHE

      Is “auto game” a thing? I’ve never heard a story about someone pulling a girl in car traffic.

      I suspect chicks dig a guy on a motorcycle more than a guy in a Porsche, with the obvious qualifier that the guy on the motorcycle also seems cool when he’s off his bike.

      There’s also the problem that when you approach a girl the odds are you aren’t going to be near your vehicle. Perhaps pulling up to a coffee shop with windows facing the parking is the best way to possibly be seen with your cool vehicle right before approaching a girl. Also, in the workplace of course, every chick is going to be well aware of what every guy drives.

      But a cheap leather band around your wrist will probably give you way more bangs for the buck than a cool car.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 9:49 pm Ian

        I read that the Miami cannibal pulled his girlfriend in traffic, true story.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 9:51 pm Ian

        http://news.lalate.com/2012/05/31/man-eating-face-in-miami-cannibals-girlfriend-blames-vodou-curse/

        Second last paragraph. Apparently you just yell at them, bonus points if you’re a face-eating cannibal.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 6:38 am xsplat

        I met a 55 year old dude in Thailand who would pull girls over on the street while they were both riding the local small motorcycles.

        He was an extrovert who made it his business to pull. A day gamer before there was a word for it. A real machine, and he had a great conversion rate.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 3:29 pm V

      Have her attention and when she is looking, give the “call me” handsign (thumb and pinkie extended). Then you can use your fingers to signal the local area code, like asking for her number. Get her to flash back her digits with, uh, with her digits hehe, or even get her to pull over. Anyway, there’s something to start with and she should get the message.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 5:56 pm Obstinance Works

        Picking up girls in traffic used to be the thing when I was in high school. There are ways. And also I see alot of very hot white girls with blacks around in this very redneck area so you colored boys have no excuse really.

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  4. on June 5, 2012 at 5:00 pm S

    Getting down on one knee and proposing is beta now? C’mon, man. It’s an accepted cultural tradition. Not doing it for the reasons you state reeks of insecurity and pettiness. You may be beta, or you may be alpha otherwise, but whether you propose to your girlfriend in a true, tried, and tested manner has very little bearing on that calculus.

    [heartiste: traditions work in the milieus in which they were created. since that milieu is no longer operative, the tradition is self-defeating.]

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 7:28 pm Joe Eoj

      I agree with S and disagree with heartiste. If I ever propose marriage, it’ll be on one knee, precisely because it is traditional, and because it’s a sign that she should expect our marriage to be somewhat traditional too — me as primary breadwinner and head of the family, her with primary responsibilities of maintaining the house and taking care of the children, et cetera. And a bended-knee proposal is a part of that deal.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 9:06 pm Eric Hale

      My grandfather proposed to my grandmother on one knee.

      By that point, he had beaten the shit out of three big, grown men in front of her. Tradition only works when the men are that alpha.

      In fact, I think that could fix all the pining for traditional proposals. She should be fully aware and convinced by your psychotic side and your ability to whup-that-ass before you think about dropping-that-knee.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 9:39 pm Anon

      1. The whole diamond proposal thing is NOT a tradition.

      Jews who owned DeBeers started a huge marketing campaign surrounding diamond engagement rings & proposals. Paid off Hollywood, novel writers, newspaper articles for product placement. True story. Look it up.

      2. Anyway, getting down on bended knee for a prime, virgin teen, whose chastity is guaranteed by her father and a large dowry is a lot different than getting down on bended knee for a modern American woman who comes, not with a dowry, but a lifetime liability of alimony.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 10:18 pm Petemeister

      It’s definitely beta as are you. I proposed to my wife 8 years ago before I had the pleasure of reading CH. But as a natural alpha who went through periods of beta brainwashing I knew a couple of things when I was ready to propose. These were that my lovely (and still hot) wife was getting a great deal and would be sacrificing less than I was, and, that getting down on one knee would have felt wrong. I also gave no thought whatsoever to a ring prior to asking but ended up giving an heirloom diamond ring provided by my family. I took her out to a see a (great) country punk band in the seediest bar in my town, decked about 10 beers and then said, as we walked to the car, “So why don’t we do this marriage thing you said you were keen on. I like you to be happy”. Of course we’d discussed marriage and I’d maintained that I saw no value in it but that I was happy to make a LT commitment to her and have kids with her. She’d said that she liked the idea of marriage as a demonstration of our love to family and friends. She said yes immediately of course before any ring and without any neutering display from me.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 11:11 pm The Whammer

      Getting down on one knee and proposing is beta now? C’mon, man. It’s an accepted cultural tradition

      No it’s not. It’s some Hollywood communist nonsense used to promote feminism and man’s subservience to females and somehow got confused in the public mind that this is how men behaved in the past.Most people are ignorant and believe that some misconception or even something based on fiction that was really only around for a couple of generations is some age old tradition. Outside of some film from the 1930’s which took place in the Victorian era or some cheap female romance novel men never did this. Hollywood of course just produced cheap entertainment that was almost always historically incorrect and produced by men who were formerly used clothes merchants from the lower east side. I can’t recall anything in literature where a man got down on his knee and proposed. In fact, marriage ceremonies are barely mentioned and at most may just say that the guy drove to church in a carriage, met his fiancee and got married.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 6:42 am xsplat

      Aside from the fact that this was not a long standing tradition, there is the fact that body language is not ceremonial, it is a real language. It conveys meaning.

      When you get down on your knee to propose, you aren’t merely performing a ceremony – you express with your body a very potent message.

      Never express that message.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 11:04 am Lad

      Those reasons reflect insecurity as well.

      [heartiste: sometimes a beta move is just a beta move. is refusing to let a fat woman shit on your chest a sign of insecurity?]

      You are following an outmoded tradition because you lack the conviction to propose in an appropriate manner that reflects comprehension of the nature of the proposal.

      [the nature of the proposal is back-asswards. women gain the most from nutpial upsuck, so it is women who, reasonably, should be dropping to their knees in gratitude for being taken off the market.]

      2-part essay on proposing:

      “What Would You Do If Your Fiancee Rejected The Ring As Not Good Enough?”

      http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/01/what_would_you_do_if_your_fian.html

      [leave her in the dust, as i would now have solid evidence she would be a giant fucking cunt over the long term.]

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 4:41 pm The Whammer

        You’re leaving out the most important thing, what sort of dowry or marriage setlement is the man getting? A female is a liability for a man and a dowry at least partially protects him. The dowry is sort of like insurance and becomes part of the marital assets.If the female wants a divorce then she can’t drain the man of his assets because she’s just getting her own money back from the marital assets.If a female is unfaithful then the man simply throws her out and keeps the dowry money.A man should also be compensated for wasting the best years of his life and being tied down to one female.
        I don’t believe in marriage and have no desire to become a husbonda, the AS word for husband which meant a housebound man with the connotation of an indentured servant to a female but if you’re looking to get married always get that dowry first. Never marry a female without assets or if she is young than a father who will settle property on you. Pussy itself is common and virtually worthless and any man who takes a female with nothing is just an omega loser.
        When Grace Kelly married Prince Grimaldi in the 50’s her father had to pay him a dowry of $1m ($10m in todays money and even a lot more in post war Europe when prices were low) Kelly was like a 9-10 in looks too and Grimaldi just had Monaco which had become a rundown place over the years(he revitalised it)
        http://tinyurl.com/7cg672s

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 3:12 am Glengarry

        Good point. No, excellent point.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 3:10 am Glengarry

        “What Would You Do If Your Fiancee Rejected The Ring As Not Good Enough?”

        The headline is enough, thanks. A tell if I ever saw one, so praise the lord for dodging a hollow-point poison-dipped phosphorus-burning bullet with frikken laser beams going right at your heart. Then get out.

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  5. on June 5, 2012 at 5:07 pm askjoe

    using the ring to seal the deal is beta. The sale should be preordained. The proposal a formality. As for bended knee…the host may have a point, or he may be bitter…but if it’s just a cultural relic, so is the wedding ceremony, the cake, the priest, all that stuff. I think the new style should be step 1. you propose, preferable in a booth at nice restaurant, no kneeling. She gets the ring as a surprise with something nicely said. Step 2. she presents you with a prenuptial agreement while on one knee, about a month or two before the wedding, preferably before 50% of the deposits are made on the expensive stuff.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 5:12 pm askjoe

      From the girl, on bended knee, with prenup

      “With this prenup, I hereby eschew your wealth and accept that without you, I need to support myself. Please accept this document as a symbol of my marrying you in good faith.”

      How about that?

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 5:40 pm 123@fake.com

      Exactly. I will never understand how men get turned down. How confused/awful your must be if you don’t know if your girlfriend of 3 years will marry you?

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 6:17 pm askjoe

        I think that this is one of those beta-hindbrain artifacts that the host and company ascribe to some evolutionary quirk from 10000 years ago…basically it’s this….it assumes that proposing will seal the deal with a reticent girl because it convinces a scared bunny of a girl that there is someone in this mean world who will take care of them. That is, the man is graciously offering his protection to someone with less status than he. But that’s not how the world operates, girls have higher status than men in the dating market…(on one hand, they have the wall but on the other hand, there’s always a market for poon*). So, if the girl has doubts, there’s no survival instincts in her brain that says, oh I better get married or else I will be eaten by wolves. Instead, today, she’s got a 1000 options and so the beta’s protection is worse than worthless.

        *=You, as a guy have to either be fit or perish.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 6:58 am xsplat

        I’m genuinely surprised that it’s not the women who propose.

        I know some prefer to be indirect and just have an oops baby, but my experience so far is that women will be the ones to bring up marriage, roughly six months into dating, often earlier. The most skillful will wait until she feels the man is bonded and she is not pressuring the man, as she won’t want him to bolt. Women are born socially savvy in these matters.

        There was one time in my twenties when I asked a girl to marry me, but it was a birthday present. I knew she wasn’t much into me, and would right away say no. It was meant to flatter her and put a notch on her belt. Like a hunter gatherer might wear a bear claw talisman on his belt symbolizing his victory over the bear, I gave her a marriage proposal as a gift of a victory over a man. A female notch that matters. Ya, it was beta. I was feeling generous.

        But otherwise I don’t have the experience to empathize, and lack the imaginative power to be able to step out from my personal experience into a strange world I know nothing about. It seems deeply odd to me that a man would propose without knowing the girl has been sending signals that she aches for the proposal. In fact the very idea of the man proposing at all is just weird. The woman should propose. Persistently, many, many, many times, over the course of months.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 2:47 am Crazystarf

        because shit happens sometimes.
        At least you’re not getting divorced with your whore taking half rite

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 11:15 am Lad

      A wedding ceremony still serves its original purpose, to an extent, which is to announce the marriage to family and community. Most of the other trappings are optional parts of the celebration which is as much for the benefit of the guests as the couple. Following a traditional template for throwing a big party isn’t really the same as unthinkingly following a traditional template for making major life decisions.

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  6. on June 5, 2012 at 5:07 pm itsme

    Discerning the sexual market value of a woman online, when no photo is available, is tricky

    it’s even trickier when there IS a photo available….

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 11:03 pm The Whammer

      What? Years ago before chats became just a bunch of ads for porn, bots and ball busting busybodies looking for “pervs” there were real people online.If you spoke to someone you liked you would then go on messenger or something like that where you would turn on your cams and audio so you would know exactly what the girl looked like and sounded like. You’d talk on the phone and meet if she was nearby.Why would you even bother otherwise? It could just be some homo or really fugly fattie you’re talking to.

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  7. on June 5, 2012 at 5:08 pm Anonymous

    S, I disagree. Been married several years and have a child, btw. Kneeling never crossed my mind.

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  8. on June 5, 2012 at 5:09 pm maurice

    Even worse than the traditions around the proposal are the now-apparently-mandatory “Bridezilla” weddings, in which thousands of dollars are blown on a usually grotesquely overblown ceremony and party to make the bride feel like a princess on her “special day”. I recall a post on this blog back in the day- contrasting skittles man vs. $10K-for-flowers-at-wedding man. This post echoes the same themes. I got married in a small courthouse ceremony and had a small diner the folliwng day for family and clsoe friends. Oh, and no proposal- just talked it out and agreed in advance with the wife. I get shit abot it from her to this day, but no regrets.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 5:14 pm askjoe

      remember, the post about the photographer, the super-alpha 50 year old guy who married one of his 18 year old models (well, she was 21 when they got married), he was like, well, let’s make this official. That’s it.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 10:56 pm gritartisan

        Fuck yeah, cant believe you remember that- richard kern. But i guess he is pretty memorable for his uh day job.

        Can’t see people of infamy like kern or hunter moore settling down.

        http://gritartisan.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/alpha-analysis-of-hunter-moore-and-isanyoneup/

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 4:11 pm pulsotic

        How is it possible to not remember that guy? He’s got the best job ever and doesn’t squander it. I think about him occasionally when I have to deal with ugly old fat people on a daily basis. Got nothing good to look at. Why I go so hard on the weekends. We all shoulda thought about the quality of women we would be around on our day jobs and planned accordingly. Fuckin guy is an inspiration.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 9:21 pm peterike

      Bridezillas is a guilty pleasure of mine. I have a kind of part time hobby being an anthropologist of the End Times, an observer of the final days of Western Civilization, and lemme tell ya, Bridezillas is prime viewing for that.

      So I seen a lot of them. And one thing about Bridezillas is that the husband-to-be is 98% of the time a brow-beaten, broke-down piece of beta male. The shite these dudes put up with from their nearly-always-fugly wimmin is a thing to behold.

      Young betas, you should watch Bridezillas, because there lies your fate! Marriage to an overweight, nasty, brutish hellion that will bring grief to you all the remaining days of your life.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 11:06 pm The Whammer

      That’s not important because the girl’s fathe ris paying for it but I’m keeping all of the monetary wedding presents. So te more the merrier 🙂

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  9. on June 5, 2012 at 5:10 pm AlphaBeta

    Getting down on one knee made sense when there was a massive power and status differential between men and women. A man with high enough status could afford a hit that huge to his status and still lord over his lady. With feminism that differential no longer exists and women instinctually know this, so getting down on one knee is only affordable for alphas like Jesus or the vampire from Twilight. Not very sexy for a normal human male to do, even if women fantasize about it.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 5:49 pm The Whammer

      If I remember correctly wasn’t it Jesus who was usually get is feet washed by his female groupies? And he seems to have been living in nice places and eating and drinking well at the expense of his patrons, sort of like the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi of his time. He must ave also dressed well because when he died they wanted his robe. He was also put into a nice tomb and not just wrapped up and buried in the desert like most Jews. Yeah, he was Alpha.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 8:07 pm corvinus

        If I remember correctly wasn’t it Jesus who was usually get is feet washed by his female groupies?

        His feet cleaned by his female groupie, with her hair.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 8:40 am DiaboloBello

        And when somebody points out that the cost of the pricey oils she’s using to wash his feet might be better used to feed the poor, He says “you’ll always have the poor, you won’t always have Me.” lol

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 10:11 am Stg58

        Jesus accepted worship because, as God, He is entitled to it.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 4:13 pm pulsotic

        Heh, you people think Jesus was real?

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 5:21 pm The Whammer

        Yes Jesus was real. He was the son of a Roman praetor and a Galilean girl. He had a wife in Rome so he paid this carpenter, Joseph, to take care of the girl and kid.Joseph btw had a wife and kids and James was Jesus’ stepbrother. Part of the NT Testament is correct but part is just filled in by the writers who did not even know Jesus. The part about the governor Pilate is correct. He didn’t want to execute Jesus because he knew who he was. If he had been an ordinary Jew Pilate would have just turned him over to the Sanhedrin. Jesus himself was well educated in Alexandria and other places and was familiar with many religions and was sort of a well off wine drinking bon vivant and ladies man around Jerusalem.The Jew rabbis hated him because he was ruining their business.Jesus as I said knew many religions and he would tell the illiterate Jew proles that their religion was based on the written word of the books of the OT and not on the BS that the rabbis invented and put into the Talmud to control them with a million rules and force them to make offerings which went right into the rabbis pockets.Jesus was one of these guys who liked to drink, shag females and bust the rabbis balls and demolish them in debates about the real Hebrew religion and it finally got him killed. One night while he was drinking and making fools of the rabbis they beat him to death and pushed him out a window.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 6:14 pm Rico

        Most historians do, actually. The issue in question is whether or not he was divine.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 6:36 pm That Guy

        @Rico,

        Most historians do NOT think Jesus was real!

        The noted Jewish and later Roman historian “Josephus”, lived at that very time in Palestine and never mentions a Jesus at all. He does mention John the Baptist however – so he’s probably real.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus

        IMNSHO (In my NOT SO humble opinion), it’s most likely that when Church elders met at Nicea, and standardized a few aspects of nascent Christianity, they promulgated the myth of a “living” Jesus. All the original “Christians” were Jews and members of the Essene Cult, like John the Baptist was, and as Jews they did not believe that “the Christ” had arrived at all.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

        Why do you think that the Pope and Christians everywhere are so upset about the Qumran Scrolls (aka Dead Sea Scrolls)? It’s because they contain information that roundly contradicts the Bible – why do you think it has taken 50 years to get any information from them?

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qumran

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 8:57 pm David Collard

        The Dead Sea Scrolls were published slowly because of academic in-fighting. There is nothing in them – they are all published now – that troubles the Church in the slightest.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 2:29 pm Pulsotic

        It’s amazing what people will believe when their identity hinges on it because they’ve been indoctrinated since birth.

        http://www.zeitgeistthefilm.com/

        Zeitgeist the Movie

        Watch it for free online if you can stomach the perishing of some persistent lies.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 11:30 pm The Whammer

        “The issue in question is whether or not he was divine.”

        After Jesus was murdered his stepbrother James took over the cult and followers in Jerusalem. To make a long story short it eventually spread to Rome the centre of the Empire and over time became popular. Jesus was elevated to the status of a god. A god was just a mortal of a much higher status and we actually don’t know who the original gods were and over time people began adding more made up gods to the pantheon. But the original gods whoever they were were certainly above the earth men but very similar to them. They lived a long time but were not immortal. If you recall in the Iliad, Zeus warned one of the female gods not to go near the earth men because she could be killed and he mentioned three gods who were in fact killed.Of course females never listen and she did get the shit kicked out of her and then they had to call their best physician to patch her up.

        After Jesus was made a god over time he became the chief god replacing Jupiter and eventually after the church became dominant he became GOD in the Christian religion. Whether all of this was just a misunderstanding or was intentional on the part of the Emperor and Pope for political purposes it’s hard to say but Jesus was not immortal anymore than the previous gods were.

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 1:52 am pulsotic

        Mr. Whammer, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 6:16 pm chi-town

      This is an understanding of the concept of romance. A prince must romance a slave girl because gap in status actually works against him. Women are on to the pump and dump game with such large gaps in status. So they will just assume its going to be a short term fling. As such they may be hesitant to continue. Romancing them is an act to convince them its something more lasting. Its meant to humble a man. Low status men are already clinging and dangling above the sewer. Every act of romance will bring in a merry lot to stomp on their fingers.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 12:30 pm Darius Jackson

      If I am getting down on one knee its only so’s I can more easily lap at her sopping pussy

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  10. on June 5, 2012 at 5:12 pm maurice

    p.s. a favorite joke of mine, relevant to the theme:

    A little boy is at a wedding, asking his mother lots of questions about what he sees. He sees the bride walk down the aisle and asks- “Why is the bride all dressed in white?” Mommy think about this for a bit and says, “Because it’s the happiest day of her life.” The little boy thinks about this for a bit, then asks: “Then why is the groom all dressed in black”?

    ba-dump-bump.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 4:14 pm Heero

      “Because It’s his saddest day of his life”
      PSSt Don’t tell your mom what I just said. ;P

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  11. on June 5, 2012 at 5:15 pm Tyrone

    My wife proposed to me. Selling my guns for a woman just wouldn’t happen.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 5:52 pm The Whammer

      Guns=beta=small penis compensation

      Big trucks and SUVS too

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 8:10 pm Tertullian

        Bingo, Whammer. You are right on target.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 8:12 pm Student

        so true. my ex called jacked up trucks ‘small dickmobiles’.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 8:48 pm Bixby

        Dudes without guns: dead omegas

        Dudes without trucks: betas unable to do manly shit like help a buddy move or take a chick off-road camping.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 11:40 pm The Whammer

        That’s silly kid’s stuff who are trying to overcome their inadequacies and engage in this “manly” stuff with the guns and big trucks.And only a dummy wants to go camp out in the woods and live uncomfortably. Men have always tried to make life more comfortable whether it was the cave men who put bear skin rugs in their cave to today’s modern conveniences.
        I’m not against men owning guns but at a certain point it becomes a fetish and obsession. And who needs a big uncomfortable truck when you could be driving a Mercedes.Unless you’re a farmer or in some business where you have to load and unload cargo everyday a truck is stupid but you’d be surprised at how many men in the US have big pickup trucks for no real purpose other than to make themselves appear “manly”=compensation for a small dick or low omega status.
        And I doubt very much that you’ve even had some chick go camping with you in the woods unless she was one of these masculine types in the lumberjack shirt and 200 lbs. 🙂

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 12:32 am Jason

        “And I doubt very much that you’ve even had some chick go camping with you in the woods unless she was one of these masculine types in the lumberjack shirt and 200 lbs.”

        I’ve been camping with an Elite model. No joke. She was the national face of Mervyn’s for a while, and she loved camping and hiking. We only lasted a few weeks, though, because the girl had more problems than a math class.

        She was a 9. But, yes, 7s and above usually HATE camping.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 1:48 pm chi-town

        I used to go camping with my girl friend when I was 19. Camp fires and not paying for a room. She was at least a solid 8.5. When hot chicks go camping whose frame is that?

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 5:47 am Tyrone

        How big is your dick?.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 1:47 pm Darius Jackson

        Big enough to fill your mouth!

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 4:24 pm Tyrone

        Won’t work if it can’t get hard. Why don’t you wash your ass and grab those ankles of yours so you can see how a real man fucks, bitch boy.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 6:17 am Tyrone

        Do you choose to be hard men, who rule over others, or soft men, who are ruled by others?

        Cyrus the Great

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 4:19 pm Heero

        Why not create a special section called Alpha Quotes with quotwtion from the manliest alphas throughout human history all around the world.

        Anybody could contribute and vote the manliest quote of the month of year.

        What about it?

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 9:46 am Tyrone

        So Whammer, if your dick is so big, how come we have to take your word for it?

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 9:50 am Tyrone

        I insist on seeing a photo of your dick.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 5:28 pm The Whammer

        fag

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 12:06 pm Darius Jackson

        I gues you miss the irony of your comments.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 3:20 pm Tyrone

        Only in your dreams little boy.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 9:51 am Tyrone

        We’re waiting….

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 9:58 am Tyrone

        We’re still waiting alpha man….

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 12:31 am Student

        you still suck.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 1:45 pm chi-town

        Now you have gone too far. I love my comforts but you need to purge that crap from time to time otherwise you begin to blend into the cushions. I also find “manly” tools to be of great use, as tools. As a vulgar display item, yes, its compensation.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 5:29 pm The Whammer

        That’s what I meant but I guess that when I’m dealing with silly virginal boys I have to spell everything out.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 11:56 am chi-town

        All you had to say was “compensation”, and it was. Felt like I was listening to Ode to Metro sexual though. That has its place too because I don’t mind having to smell good to get where I am going but…

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 3:59 pm Lara

        I’m not into guns. I don’t have anything against trucks, but driving one does not make a man alpha. I don’t agree with you about camping, though. I’ve always liked outdoorsy type guys, even if their idea of a good time didn’t always mesh with mine.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 4:01 pm Lara

        Also, if she really likes you, she will definitely go camping with you, no matter how much she isn’t into it.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 2:51 pm Money

        That’s right. Bixby, nothing says macho-man quite like helping a buddy move an antique armoire.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 5:33 pm The Whammer

        Bixby’s a dummy who’s too poor to get a professional to move furniture. Sure Bixby damage some furniture just to save a few hundred or perhaps injure yourself or fall down the stairs lol Real men of substance can’t afford to injure themselves and lie in bed because they have important things to do.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 3:23 pm Tyrone

        Mostly you’re just helpless I think and talking trash to compensate for it.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 8:50 pm Anti Blue pill

        Lulzlulzlulz Try saying that to the person wielding the Gun at you.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 11:00 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 5:49 am Paladin

        Who gives a f**k? I don’t like guns or trucks, but we’re talking about Alpha qualities here, not penis or engine size.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 9:18 am RappaccinisDaughter

        If guns were meant to compensate for a small penis, no man would ever have bought a revolver with a 2-inch barrel.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 10:24 am Rick Derris

        Thank you! Ask cops or people in the know about good carry pistols and they will probably mention the Smith & Wesson model 642.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 1:51 pm chi-town

        5 load cylinder and spur-less. Yep, had one. Most practical urban arm.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 5:35 pm The Whammer

        Hey dummy, do you think I want to carry a pistol under my suit? It’s not only uncomfortable but can be dangerous. We pay our servants the cops to do the dirty work.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 7:34 pm HR Lincoln

        I carry a revolver because a cop won’t fit in my pocket.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 8:27 pm Rick Derris

        I’ve had a car stolen from an upscale suburb of Philadelphia and caught a guy trying to break into my house in the same neighborhood. The perp in the second situation was a mass of humanity who outweighed me by at least 40 lbs. If I hadn’t yelled that I had a pistol I might’ve been killed.

        Maybe you’d better think before calling people “dummy.”

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 1:05 am Greg Eliot

        I’m my own police.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 10:08 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Dangerous, Whammer? Really? Have you ever actually seen a gun?
        Listen, Toots, if you don’t know anything about a subject you should probably not talk about it.
        Now be a sweet little thing and go make me a sammitch.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 3:16 pm Tyrone

        When seconds count the police are only minutes away.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 12:11 pm jacksheet

        What’s more alpha than having the means to dominate a 300 meter radius with precision rifle fire?

        I just use my penis for close range (within one meter with shrinkage).

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 1:55 pm SFG

        Everyone:

        This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting, this is for fun.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 2:38 pm Odinnson

        Yeah guys only get guns because of their small penis. This explains all the black gangsta types, right?

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 3:36 pm Anon

        I have a big dick. And I love guns.
        And if I had the money, I would buy a shitload of big SUVs and sports cars too.
        I’m also at least a lesser alpha as far as I can tell, with men (no homo) and women alike.

        Your prejudice is typical swpl tree-hugger crap.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 5:40 pm The Whammer

        You sound like a poor omega to me. And what’s wrong with “tree hugging” you moron? Do you think I want some asshole cutting down a 3k year old redwood just because he wants some wood?

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 9:16 pm Tyrone

        So tell us, Mr. Alpha, what do you define as cool? Most guys I know with a lot of guns also have a lot of money and usually do just fine with women. Women like guns as a matter of fact and shooting gets them hot. You don’t think people can own more than one vehicle? I know peoiple who own a truck and a Mercedes. Not only that, they wear suits too. Imagine that! I think you come here to talk shit and project your own failures onto others. You’re definitely a little girly man douche. Moreover, you criticize others for being childish on a blog that celebrates infantile behavior in men and never growing up to accept responsibility. You’re a stupid fuck and a liar.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 1:07 am Greg Eliot

        Then you’d be mourning wood.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 3:47 pm King A (Matthew King)

      Relax, all y’all. I think The Whammer was the same eurotrash tool who thought he could read your wallet like tea leaves and then announce whether you were “alpha” or not.

      There is no explaining the utility of firearms to someone with an animistic (and politically omega) fear of them, much less the masculinity of having access to them. He is programmed to spit out femmythological bromides about over-compensation because those are his only frame of reference to the gun culture.

      A gun is a political instrument. It is a symbol of the citizen’s ultimate sovereignty and independence. Men are prepared for every contingency at the extremes. Possessing lethal firepower is a sign that one’s utterances and one’s behavior are backed-up with one’s life.

      Of course that attitude frightens women and children. They prefer not to think about matters of life and death, and snarkily dismiss those of us who do, because such decisions remain permanently above their pay grade. They fantasize that their sarcasm brings us all down to their childhood playground, where they imagine themselves prominent. A world of fences and rules are the only places that tolerate their casual liberal pecksniffery. Men are men only insofar as they are prepared for that world beyond fences and rules, which is much closer than lisping critics like “The Whammer” prefer to imagine.

      The attempt to fit liberal politics into an alpha pose amuses me.

      What’s wrong with “tree hugging” you moron? Do you think I want some asshole cutting down a 3k year old redwood just because he wants some wood?

      Here I come, the “asshole” with two sidearms, a shotgun, and a chainsaw, eyeing that tree you’re hugging. What are you going to do about it, “alpha,” besides blow your sophomoric bons mots down like bubbles while I reduce your precious woody to sawdust? What will you do, call other men (with guns) to fight on your behalf?

      What you call “dirty work,” we call manly duty. You’d recognize that prerogative as exhilarating — even fun — if you had any experience of imposing your will on other men.

      I swear, every boy should play football, do military service, or train for boxing. Any young man who isn’t drawn to the world of guns is an epicene fruitcake, any adult male who doesn’t own an armory is psychologically my pet. You’d think boys want to be men, but it isn’t so universal or innate an impulse as it should be.

      Matt

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  12. on June 5, 2012 at 5:15 pm itsme

    may as well get down on both knees, because you’ll be sucking her cock for a while.

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  13. on June 5, 2012 at 5:19 pm itsme

    coulda been worse for the guy. he could have tried proposing to her on camera in front of millions of viewers…

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 6:36 pm The Alchemist

      It definitely could’ve been worse for this guy…she might have said “yes”

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 8:22 pm yareallypua

        lol’ed out loud

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 11:38 pm PermanentGuest

        Give me access to your blog already, you twat!

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  14. on June 5, 2012 at 5:20 pm Tyrone

    If I had been that kid’s dad, I’d have beat his ass for selling my baseball cards. You pass that stuff down for a reason, so it stays in the family and will be respected and cherished as you cherished those things. Not to buy a ring for some spoiled woman-child. If his kid was in the hospital or something its a different story, but for a woman? No way!

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 5:59 pm Nine Furies

      Ditto on that. Wow I bet that kid, like the majority of modern males has never been in a violent altercation his entire life. I bet the dad is a bitch too tho.

      How else can you explain having a kid that turns out to be such a fairy?

      “but dad I reeeeeaaaallly loved her!”

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 1:47 am Bryan

        You’d beat a 24 (???) year old’s ass for selling your baseball cards?

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 1:50 am Bryan

        eta, I suspect the 24 year old son would be able to beat your ass?

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 4:22 pm Tyrone

        Are you stupid?

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  15. on June 5, 2012 at 5:20 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    I suppose getting down on one knee just that once couldn’t hurt.

    Just as long as you make sure she gets down on both knees for the duration of the marriage.

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  16. on June 5, 2012 at 5:26 pm A♠ [Ace of Spades]

    This is why the Château recommends failing the Voigt-Kampff test.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 11:08 pm David Collard

      I score under 10 on the standard Empathy Test.

      But I am a nice bloke in most ways.

      Just low empathy.

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  17. on June 5, 2012 at 5:31 pm feral1404

    Uh, I’m pretty sure the beta tell was right up front in the first sentence, yeah?

    “My girlfriend and I had been together for about three years…”

    I pretty much pegged it and stopped paying attention to additional beta from there on.

    It doesn’t take three years to train one and they’re all pretty much interchangeable, so if you’re going to get married, just pick one and do it. Alpha doesn’t hesitate.

    The only reason I’ll be doing it is to raise a whole passel of little alphas to bang out the next generation of ho’s… and thoroughly enjoy coaching them to do it.

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  18. on June 5, 2012 at 5:51 pm Opus

    No, there is something in the first letter which is even worse, I say, which is that although he had dated her for three years, she didn’t want to marry him. Now, what is going through her mind; how could he so seriously misread a three year relationship? My experience is that long before those three years are up she will either be pressuring him or she will have dropped him. Weird relationship.

    As for the second letter, why do girls do these crazy things? – as they do. Sounds to me as if he was keen to escape her clutches, but could not quite bring himself to drop her – not easy I know, without appearing a bastard. Girl over-reacted of course.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 7:31 pm Joe Eoj

      Well observed.

      You shouldn’t mary every girl who starts dropping hints that she’d like to marry you, but you certainly shouldn’t propose marriage to a girl who hasn’t already started. Very few marriage proposals end in a rejection, so if yours does then you’ve made a serious mistake.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 11:44 am JZ

      “how could he so seriously misread a three year relationship?”

      This. This Type I Betaness (congential lack of empathy) versus type II (adult hypersensitive onset).

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 9:05 pm moses

      Consider the possibility that selling his Dad’s cherished cards PLUS getting down on one knee is what CAUSED this chick to refuse his supplication of marriage.

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  19. on June 5, 2012 at 5:58 pm theprivateman

    A man’s shit test for engagement – he asks for a pre-nup. If she says no, he walks. If she says OK, proceed to back up shit test.

    A man’s back up shit test for engagement – he buys a ring with a zircon instead of a real diamond. If she appraises it before the wedding and confronts him with the ruse, he walks.

    Of course, marriage shouldn’t even be in the equation but some guys haven’t discovered that yet.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 6:43 pm andrewmichaelmedina

      You are a shrewd man. I wouldn’t mind seeing an expanded post on this.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 12:54 am corvinus

      Prenups are beta, because in her head, she sees it as you’re expecting her to dump you.

      Zircons are a wonderful idea, though. I’ve heard that synthetic diamonds are getting pretty cheap too.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 7:09 am Art Vandelay

        you might also want to divorce her?

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 7:24 am xsplat

        Understanding the nature of women is not beta. OVER-confidence is not alpha.

        [heartiste: you’re wrong on that second assertion. overconfidence is alpha, if by alpha we mean an improved ability to attract and keep women.]

        Strategic understanding of the principles of reality, and acting in accordance with that understanding is a requirement of maintaining alpha status.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 2:51 pm xsplat

        Disconnects with reality are not always benign – not even when they are of the narcissistic flavor.

        You can be overconfident that your wife won’t leave you.

        Alpha or beta, it’s not strategic, and can lead to a man not being able to sustain his former alpha position.

        Being overconfident is not only a matter of being high confidence, although there can sometimes be overlap. It can also be such a disconnect as to slide well into psychosis. Or a mild disconnect makes the man a chump.

        Reality is the best basis for all strategic action.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 12:31 am gunslingergregi

        whats the reality though xsplat that is the question

        is reality that you can’t do what you want or is reality that you can do what you want

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 2:53 pm xsplat

        Disconnects with reality are not always benign – not even when they are of the narci ssistic flavor.

        You can be overconfident that your wife won’t leave you.

        Alpha or beta, it’s not strategic, and can lead to a man not being able to sustain his former alpha position.

        Being overconfident is not only a matter of being high confidence, although there can sometimes be overlap. It can also be such a disconnect as to slide well into psy chosis. Or a mild disconnect makes the man a chump.

        Reality is the best basis for all strategic action.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 11:15 am Crazystarf

        You’re going to get dumped in the first place anyways, seeing that the divorce rate in the US is already over 50%

        such a shame.

        The zircon ring idea is brilliant by the way,

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 11:37 am Lara

        You could just marry a woman with a lot more money than you, and then it would be on her to get the prenup.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 1:57 pm SFG

        Prenups are beta. But if you have the money, it’s still worth it.

        Beta isn’t always wrong. It just won’t get you laid.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 4:12 pm Lara

        I’d just keep it in an account she has no knowledge of.

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  20. on June 5, 2012 at 5:59 pm Blessent

    Re the Knee Problem, a technical solution:

    Visit a church or house of worship (historical, architectural significance, travel, etc., may vary), and propose whilst _both_ kneeling.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 8:51 pm Bixby

      That might work for a lower omega.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 7:26 am xsplat

      Woah, is that ever beta!

      Don’t you realize what beta is? It’s when you are subservient.

      The action of the both of you being subservient to anyone or anything is the very definition of Alpha. The both of you ruled by any other principle other than you yourself is the very principle of being beta. Ruled by other.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 1:20 am David Collard

        The basis of a husband’s patriarchal power is the rule of God the Father. “From whom all Fatherhood takes its name”. The best way to get wifely obedience is if she believes it is God’s will that she obeys her husband.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 7:17 am xsplat

        I don’t understand such thinking, but I understand that religious views are in-alterable, due to a deep psychological need for them.

        However look at the issue among primates. As far as we know they have no god. The alpha of the troup is the alpha. He is the top, with no one above him.

        According to the original use of the term, being subservient is by definition not being alpha.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 7:21 am xsplat

        I don’t understand such thinking, but I understand that religious views are in-alterable, due to a deep psyc hological need for them.

        However look at the issue among primates. As far as we know they have no god. The alpha of the troup is the alpha. He is the top, with no one above him.

        According to the original use of the term, being subservient is by definition not being alpha.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 4:06 pm King A (Matthew King)

        xsplat wrote:

        The action of the both of you [sic] [not] being subservient to anyone or anything is the very definition of Alpha. The both of you ruled by any other principle other than you yourself is the very principle of being beta. Ruled by other.

        Yeah, man! Only betas agree to live under the supremacy of the United States Constitution … or … or any law at all! Only omegas are ruled by the tyrannical dictates of gravity!

        This is fake liberty. This is freedom by fantasy, no contact with the truth. This is alpha roleplaying that nervously prays no one will call you out on your delusion.

        The “very definition of alpha” is dominance within a specific and limited context. Only the delusional imagine their power extends to declaring the limits of that context and/or ignoring context. And you call such preposterous daydreaming a universal rule of alpha! Only the literally insane imagine themselves an omnipotent deity.

        Matt

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:04 pm xsplat

        Those aren’t the only options.

        You can minimize the amount of authority that others have over you. No matter how much or how little you can minimize that, the desire to minimize it is a principle of being individuated and an individual.

        The desire to go in the other direction and seek out someone to be submissive to is the opposite principle.

        Men do well to have mentors, but we don’t need Gurus who tell us what job to take, who to marry, and what city to live in.

        There are men who live good ethical lives who have limited the authority that governments and others have over them to a great degree. God and church and patriotism don’t need to enter into it.

        Unless you are wired to “respect” authority, which according to current research on morality and genetics, some people very certainly are.

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 6:00 pm King A (Matthew King)

        You are a child of the “question authority” mythos, and you are repeating it obediently.

        The desire to go in the other direction and seek out someone to be submissive to is the opposite principle.

        Weren’t you just singing the praises of occasionally being dominated in the other thread, in defense of the cuckold fetish guy? Just checking.

        Look, the slave sees the world primarily in terms of “authority” and “submission”: those principles define his life. Independent men have bigger fish to fry. They aren’t hypersensitive to displays of authority, nor are they insecure about acknowledging a superior in context.

        You are the slave bound by the chains of your own delusions. “You can pick any color you want, as long as its black.” “I woulda picked black anyway, so there.” Somebody told you that you were free and you accepted it as fact without ever independently verifying it. That keeps people like you from accidentally rebelling. You have been told, preposterously, that the very idea of “respect” is beneath you. That should have been your first clue.

        Unless you are the deity, your mortal life requires you to “submit” to a great number of things outside the “authority” of your will — unless you pretend authority derives solely from the respect of it, and therefore when you cease respecting, you no longer have to obey. But this is proven absurd a priori by taking the commonest of examples. Does the authority of physics give a damn whether you “respect” it or not? No. It controls you all the same, and your only choice is to pretend it doesn’t. So go step off a cliff and get back to us.

        This is the same with human authority. Men either exert power and enjoy superiority over you in certain instances, or they do not, the civic mythology of egalitarianism notwithstanding. Your denial or acceptance of that superiority matters not an iota, except to your fantasies. All that matters is the truth of that superiority, and you have no capacity to discern that truth because you have declared it universally invalid — indeed, merely entertaining the notion that some authorities are worth submitting to is proof of slavery in your paranoid scheme.

        The alphas I know are recognizable by respect for their peers and their superiors. It’s the insensate omega who thinks he can challenge Kevin Durant to one-on-one. Respect is an inborn alpha trait because alpha demands it in return. In xsplat’s equalist nightmare-world, where respect per se is evidence of betatude, an inferior gets away with dissing the alpha and presuming himself to be a peer. I realize the attitude of unearned alphadom is a side-effect of slumming in places like these, but you are taking your unproven and unprovable status to the level of categorical imperative. That’s a bridge too far, son. You are so delusional that a private comeuppance does not suffice. No, you insist on demonstrating final proof of your inferiority publicly and spectacularly.

        Bottom line: what in the world does the “desire to minimize” authority have to do with anything? Desires are the dreams of omegas. The rest of us are not in the habit of caring whether someone wants something more or less than the next guy. Rather, we make our judgment based on what someone does or has in comparison. You know? Real things. Tangible, measurable things. Not declarations and figments.

        Matt

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:10 pm xsplat

        Those aren’t the only options.

        You can minimize the amount of authrity that others have over you. No matter how much or how little you can minimize that, the desire to minimize it is a principle of being individuated and an individual.

        The desire to go in the other direction and seek out someone to be submissive to is the opposite principle.

        Men do well to have mentors, but we don’t need Gurus who tell us what job to take, who to marry, and what city to live in.

        There are men who live good ethical lives who have limited the authrity that governments and others have over them to a great degree. God and church and patriotism don’t need to enter into it.

        Unless you are wired to “respect” (and willingly and happily submit to) authrity, which according to current research on morality and genetics, some people very certainly are.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 8:53 pm David Collard

        To exercise power, a wise man must know the limits of his power. I obey God the Father because of who I believe Him to be. Authority in my faith travels down from the Pope (a word meaning father) to the bishops, the parish priest, and then to me as a father, husband and head of a family. All of these powers are real, but limited in some way.

        I am not sure of my wife’s exact views, but I think one of the reasons she complies with my wishes a lot of the time, is probably that she believes I have God-given power over her. Limited, but real. If a woman believes that she was “made for man”, it tends to keep her ego in check, which is never a bad thing in a woman.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 6:18 am xsplat

        So for you, power and strength don’t come from within, but from those who are of higher station than you.

        Sounds a lot like the military.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 6:27 am xsplat

        While believing that you have a god given and given from the powerful above you auth0rity is attractive, there have been many posts here about how having an innate authrity is at least as panty wetting. The anti-social criminals and rapists who chose to take power under nobodies leadership but their own have a magnetic mojo.

        The source of your power is not the thing. It’s if you claim it and use it.

        And I am arguing that it’s more difficult to fully claim your power if you give over to others power over you.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 8:36 pm David Collard

        It is good to have both. I think my wife is fairly compliant because of her religious and cultural beliefs, and because I have tried to win her respect. Game ideas have helped a lot.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 1:11 am Greg Eliot

      Mighty kings have bent a knee to the Lord… avaunt, you impious fools.

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  21. on June 5, 2012 at 6:13 pm Boxcar

    I find that SMALL collections work in my favor as conversation pieces and DHVs. Fossils in particular, antique-styled maps, and old books.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 8:42 pm Sea7

      Do you call that Indiana Jones Game? How gay.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 7:50 am Special K

        LOL.

        Try it yourself some time. Fill your bachelor pad up with items that are fun, interesting and tasteful that you wouldn’t see in a typical home. Put them on display, and make sure you have a story about every one of them.

        For example the handcuffs hanging by my patio door? When I was 13, I lived in Hong Kong. This is still back when it was still run by the Brits. A few of my buddies and I thought it would be fun to sneak across the border into China proper one night, and get smashed/high. Tough to do that in Hong Kong without a fake ID, but it’s easy in china proper.

        As it turns out, not one of us thought to bring our passports. In fact, between the six of us, we had ZERO identifactiona at all. Hey, we were 13 and stupid. Anyways, getting into china is no big deal. It’s getting OUT that’s tricky, although I didn’t know that at the time. They caught us at the border as we were leaving.

        I was the only white guy in the group, so the chinese immediate assumed I was some sort of political activist trying to sneak dissidents out of the country. My friends weren’t helping either. They started taunting the officer, calling his mom a whore, etc etc. They also started bragging that I was a pro at this sort of thing, and would have them all in LA within the next 12 hours.

        Long story short, I spent the better part of 6 hours in a chinese jail trying to talk my way out of it being a permanent stay. To make matters worse, my translator was a drunk 14 year old who thought the entire thing was hillarious. Turns out it’s pretty tough to bullshit a pissed off racist, and the guy was gonna just leave me to rot. Eventually, one of my other friends *mostly* sobered up, and I told him to offer the cop $200 if he’d just let us go home.

        As for the cuffs, the interrogator left them sitting on the table while he was grilling me. I discreetly pocketed ’em so I’d have a momento of the first time I ever got arrested.

        I have an entire HOUSE full of objects with stories like that attached to them. Seriously, I get a girl in the door, and my house does the rest of the work for me. It’s a FANTASTIC way for a single guy to live.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 7:28 am xsplat

      Ya, you don’t want to highlight any hoarder traits. Being a hoarder is a branch of having OCD.

      Being a collector can be a display of wealth and taste.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 11:01 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      “I find that SMALL collections work in my favor.”

      What’re u collecting? your own cockas? zozzlllzlzozlz omg lzozolzoozloz

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  22. on June 5, 2012 at 6:18 pm SR

    If you’re gonna get married and want to propose as an alpha, here’s the way to do it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQSZbQWuSKs

    1) The guy gets 60+ people to help him out: DHV.
    2) He tells his bride to be where to be, and who to be with, with no explanation, and expects it’ll be done.
    3) At the end, the guy is walking down the middle, everyone looking at him, in a suit, looking cool as a cucumber.
    4) He doesn’t even show her the ring until she answers the question
    5) He raises his arm in victory after she says yes.
    6) He does such a good job that it goes viral nationwide, thus DHV again!

    She has only one question to answer, and there’s only one possible answer after a production like that.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 6:23 pm DRAGON

      You’re shitting me right

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 10:16 pm James

      no. you are dumb.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 7:30 am xsplat

      No. Even asking is beta. She should ask, and after many months or years, the man should grudgingly relent. If at all.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 11:36 pm Anonymous

        I just asked her dad. Didn’t ask her. Didn’t need to.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 12:38 am David Collard

        I asked the father, both times I got engaged. Just for form’s sake. It was a bit patriarchal too, which never hurts.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 1:38 pm Phinn

      The guy made a theatrical production out of a marriage proposal. That’s one step away from Bridezilla who wants a wedding more than a marriage. He might as well be a woman or a homosexual, because he’s acting like one.

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  23. on June 5, 2012 at 6:37 pm The Real Vince

    In grad school there was a feminist (genuinely hot) who married a Marine. When they were on the couch watching television he caught a glimpse of her finger. Hmmmmmmm. He slipped a ring on it. “Looks better now.” She would re-tell that story with Christmas in her eyes. Never met the guy, but she also said he got her addicted to tabloid celebrity magazines that he subscribed to, so….

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 3:15 pm Aaron

      “Assume the sale.” Guess this goes for marriage proposals too.

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  24. on June 5, 2012 at 6:38 pm Matt Strictland

    Give her the ring after you she says yes and the paperwork is done if you are crazy enough to marry.

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  25. on June 5, 2012 at 6:39 pm Matt Forney

    Damn straight on the first guy’s betaness. I mentioned this story on my blog a couple days ago, but I couldn’t manage to write anything more on it, it was so sickening.

    Really, any man who gets married in this day and age is a fool undeserving of sympathy.

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  26. on June 5, 2012 at 6:45 pm Jason

    Just a bit of nitpicking in an otherwise thoughtul essay: I don’t see why collecting things like baseball cards is beta – rather the contrary, I would think. FDR and JFK collected stamps, and they were quite alpha.

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  27. on June 5, 2012 at 6:55 pm rocket science

    It would be interesting to explore the first relationship.

    The 2nd relationship. The guy didn’t sound very alpha. He wanted to dump that girl but he was too chicken just to do it.

    My advice. If you want to develop the right attitude towards women, and are a beta, try this. If you have a pretty good girlfriend, no real faults, and maybe you like her quite a bit. A keeper, of sorts. Just dump her one day. Out of the blue. No explanations. Just get your stuff and go. No further contact. You will feel like such a son of a bitch, you will fundamentally alter your self image. You are heartless, after all. Then, child, you will be ready to take on the world, women included. The guilt goes away and life is better in every way. Not kidding.

    The woman can be replaced.

    I do know a 23 yo who has a bf. She remarked to me: “When I am through with this boyfriend, I am going to date money.”

    She’s a nice kid, too.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 12:35 am Jason

      If she’s really a nice kid, she won’t last long dating money. It’s too soul-killing (for those with souls). And the boyfriend better not take her back later on.

      I know a man who married a rich woman. He says it’s the hardest money he’s EVER earned. HIs “workday” never ends.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 1:09 pm NotJaffo

        This is a fucking fact.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 4:31 pm Tyrone

        A lot of rich families can be serious ball busters. Its not worth your pride or your freedom.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 5:50 pm The Whammer

        Bullshit. It never happens. Any female of REAL wealth is not going to marry some loser. Having a good job is not real wealth. Even crazy Paris Hilton wouldn’t marry a prole. Even that guy in the porn film with her is from a wealthy family.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 6:57 pm Blue

        You would be surprised. One of my fraternity brothers has a mom that is a multi-millionaire, and a dad that generates maybe 40k a year.

        His dad probably has good game and I bet his mom likes lotsa cocka

        [heartiste: a husband can compensate for his lower income with game. so these scenarios, like the one you describe, can and do exist.]

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 3:13 pm Tyrone

        I personnaly know a guy who met his very wealthy wife in rehab. The family was worth in excess of $150 million. At the time he was one of the biggest losers I’ve ever known -a coke head and a heroin addict to boot. No money or education himself either, worked a blue collar job testing cars for the EPA making about $25k a year. The family threw a big wedding in Georgetown and held the rehearsal at the Hard Rock Cafe. They’re still married and he now buys investment properties and flips them. My cousin did the same- that started Vulcan MAteriIt happens much more than you think.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 7:34 am xsplat

      How far do you want to go with deadening your emotional reactions?

      People take the concept of not being at the whim of their emotions too far. What about appreciating a sunset? Do you want to cultivate the heart of a cold blooded lizard?

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 2:39 pm Phinn

      “Just get your stuff and go.”

      I hope you don’t mean “get your stuff from her apartment.”

      Moving into a woman’s residence is weak. Leaving your clothes and keeping a toothbrush at a woman’s place reeks of beta. If you ever go to her place to fuck, the only things you should leave behind is a semen stain and a smiling woman.

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  28. on June 5, 2012 at 7:10 pm GeishaKate

    At last. Scientific proof that people from Ohio are fifty percent nice and fifty percent naught 🙂

    In online news, Match has a new thing called “Stir” which is basically events for subscribers to meet each other in groups. Of course, its not in my outpost, but it sounds cool.

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  29. on June 5, 2012 at 7:28 pm AHE

    Here’s my question: there’s a lot of women who ride the cock carousel, hit 29 and suddenly look for a provider beta husband (one they might not stay married to long — but most womenz seem to like to get married at least once just to do it.) In those frequent cases, isn’t the chick sort of looking for beta qualities in the dude she’s about to marry? After all, many dudes still do kneel and many chicks say yes to the kneeling dude.

    Point is, while I agree with the advice that a guy shouldn’t kneel or propose with ring or get married at all for that matter — don’t betaness and the marriage market kind of go together? We aren’t talking about the sex market, after all.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 8:07 pm Holden Caulfield

      Beta males probably make up at least 80% of the population, so she only needs to look as far as her current orbiters or the guys she has previously LJBF’d if she’s really lazy. The caveat is that most, if not ALL, women would much much much prefer to marry an alpha male. There just aren’t enough to go around. Hence, carouseling. . .5 minutes of alpha is worth more than 5 years of marriage to a beta male. All this is in the CH archives.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 11:37 pm Nom

      A lot of women look for a submissive slave. I bet none of them get wet for him though.

      It’s difficult, pleasing the whole of a woman, it can be such a mess of contradictions.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 9:54 am Holden Caulfield

        Absolutely nailed (heh) in this post:

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/12/02/the-ideal-lover-can-never-be-the-great-boyfriend/

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  30. on June 5, 2012 at 8:01 pm George Booth

    After seeing this website in an ABC News story:

    https://waronwomen.com/RockTheSlutVote/

    please, please, PLEASE, can we have a thread on “you might be a slut if …”?

    I haven’t seen this fat a pitch for over-the-top ridicule in years. Dear, sweet, merciful Jesus, dead on the cross for my sins, they are BEGGING for it!

    You might be a slut if … you believe that any of the questions on this website are the reason people think you’re a slut.

    You might be a slut if … you’ve traded sex for signatures on any petition.

    You might be a slut if … the county health service calls you to get checked out, whether anybody named you as a partner or not.

    You might be a slut if … local prostitutes won’t do business with anybody who’s been seen with you.

    I’m really no good at this, eh?

    You might be a slut if … images of your tramp tag are posted in frat houses.

    You might be a slut if … you need 2 babysitters to go out on a date.

    You might be a slut if … no vows are exchanged at any wedding you attend.

    Come on! Help me out!

    You might be a slut if … the people at the humane society giggle when you adopt a puppy.

    You might be a slut if … the local football teams kept your social schedule.

    You might be a slut if … your sister has a t-shirt that says “NO!”

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 10:35 pm RafterManFMJ

      But I like sluts

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  31. on June 5, 2012 at 8:03 pm The Specimen

    I think the guy’s biggest beta tell was his proposal getting rejected. Women will always drop unsubtle hints, and in some cases pressure you, when they want you to propose. If she’s not dropping hints, you’re game with her is not tight. The bended knee thing is ridiculous. If something like that makes anyone think you’re beta, then you lost the game long before then.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 8:18 pm colonelcrimson

      Yeah, beyond being beta, it’s just being stupid. If she’s not giving hints, and you insist on getting married anyway, it might be a good idea to bring up the topic of marriage with her beforehand. Ya know, before you sell all your baseball cards for a feckless rock.

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  32. on June 5, 2012 at 8:10 pm Firepower

    I recall Susan Walsh writing about these, I commented…a Sea of Estrogen welled-up around me, swirling into a vortex of juice within Scylla & Charybdis both greeted my trance with open claw – then, I snapped out of it.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 10:23 am Firepower

      …and I may add, THAT was just the male commenters…

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  33. on June 5, 2012 at 8:11 pm Holden Caulfield

    Regarding the Twitter post: One fatkini revolution is equivalent to three earth years. bit.ly/Kc1xvG.

    I suggest we start having “fat swimming pools/beach areas” and “skinny swimming pools/beach areas”. Skinny areas are accessible if your BMI is 23 or less. Preferably have the skinny areas policed by guards with assault rifles. Fattys can be shot on sight, like vultures.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 9:49 pm anonymous

      Only if we only segregate the women, men get their choice

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 10:57 pm Firepower

        i just wanna say
        fat girls are bad, mmkay?
        fatkinis are even badder – don’t do it

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 7:39 pm Fearless

        Too late my friend, the eastern seaboard is awash in the fatkini action. Our counter-attack of fit body hotties has failed and we are being pushed back. We suggest a tactical nuclear strike on the southern Jersey shore.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 12:03 am The Whammer

      Every female that I know is like a 20 or less on that BMI table. You can’t use that BMIfor both a male and female because even if they’re both the same height the man is always heavier due to a higher % of musle and heavier bones. A 5’10” man may weigh 170 lbs and look good but the same height female at that weight is overweight.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 12:41 pm itsme

      Preferably have the skinny areas policed by guards with assault rifles

      assault rifles won’t take down big game, it’ll just piss em off.

      need to break out the big bore shit.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 1:22 pm Tyrone

        Elephant poachers in Africa use AK-47s usually- 7.62×39.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 12:47 pm itsme

        compared to some fatties, elephant isn’t big game.

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  34. on June 5, 2012 at 8:27 pm carioca

    The alpha way to propose is making an unnoticed hole in the condom.
    That´s how I´ll do it, when the time arrives

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 8:43 pm cuckooclock

      Using condoms is beta…

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 4:36 pm Heero

        sure….
        It’s coming from someone with cuckold fetish.
        Are you finished recovering yet?

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  35. on June 5, 2012 at 8:36 pm cuckooclock

    In daily life I act alpha but sexually I’m fucked up, there is something inside me that makes me want to be sexually dominated. I’ve gotten on my knees before a woman and reached up her body and to her breasts and asked her to let me be her slave…to dominate me. And she smiled but actually she refused.

    Women don’t like this, they want to be taken. They’re attracted to me because of what they see and because in day to day life you’d never suspect this about me, but I can’t help it. I need to be sexually dominated, but they just won’t do it. However, I can’t tolerate being dominated in day to day life. This confuses them because women are cunts.

    I’ve never felt I needed a woman and never sacrificed time and resources for one, but sexually it’s a different matter. I want to kiss their feet and worship them. But they’re the ones who want to submit.

    There is nothing for me I might as well be gay.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 8:57 pm Bixby

      Looks like pay for play is your future, bootboy. No woman is going to respect you outside of the bedroom after she’s dominated you inside it.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 8:59 pm carioca

      Complex situation. I suggest you to take a Viagra and do your male job as if you were rapping her. Then, after she´s satiated, impressed and you got many points with her, expend all this points at once telling her that now she is charge and you´ll be her bitch. It´s a kind of trade.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 9:07 pm cuckooclock

        Haha yes this may be the only way carioca. But would it be a one-time thing, who knows. Maybe there is a woman who is not completely an animal and can separate things.

        Women will indeed trade almost anything for a good orgasm.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 9:15 pm Anon

      Seems like you’re a darwinian dead-end.
      Knock yourself out if you like it that much. But if you ever find a woman, you must know deep down that she’ll never love you.
      Just be smart about your finances. Don’t let any bitch exploit you.

      But have you ever tried to dominate a woman in bed? I thought I enjoyed sex before trying to go full caveman. There’s nothing more exquisite than manhandling a woman and slapping and hair-pulling and calling her a dirty fucking slut with an authoritative tone and a deep masculine voice.
      The sight of an exhausted chick drowning in her juices and trying to express her gratitude while shaking after a squirting orgasm is the reason why I want to live a little longer.

      Worshipping a woman now seems twisted and laughable. Maybe your fetish is born out of sheer ignorance.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 9:44 pm David Collard

      You may be overidentifying with females. Autogynephilia?

      Try taking pride in being a man, not a woman. Ask yourself, why would I want to play the inferior role? To mimic the second sex?

      I don’t believe that – usually feminist – trope that we become different people in the bedroom.

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 11:19 pm cuckooclock

        I don’t think you can change what you like sexually by thinking things out or changing your opinions, what you take pride in, or other stuff like this. It comes from a much deeper place. Now you can believe me or not, but I’m not at all submissive in day to day life, either in behavior or in my manner, to the point where women, who actually think like you, just refuse to believe I prefer to be sexually submissive. But I do, and I imagine there are many men with other strange fetishes, and you’d never guess it in their day to day life.

        I take pride in being a man and I agree with this blog about the nature of women. It doesn’t change one bit what turns me on, and I don’t know why I like to be sexually submissive or have a woman dominate me. I get a thrill out of it. But, by the way, many men who are submissive to women in day to day life, many beta males, actually fantasize about being sexually dominant. They don’t have a fetish to be sexually dominated at all.

        I think there is a deep connection between sexual desire and your character, but it’s not so simple as you make it out.

        Anyway I thought it would be funny to tell my story because it’s also about kneeling in front of a woman, but in a different way. It still doesn’t work though!

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 7:01 pm King A (Matthew King)

        This sounds like a call to the classic Dr. Drew/Adam Carolla radio show Loveline. Often they wouldn’t even have to hear the Tale of Woe before targeting the source of the caller’s sexual/chemical dysfunction, as it was all over the sound of his or her voice. The typical therapy session would begin with two words. “Where’s dad?”

        Bottom line: your wires were crossed somewhere in childhood. This “Born This Way” answer to every deviant impulse (“I don’t think you can change what you like sexually… It comes from a much deeper place”) is abuse on top of abuse.

        Both men and women find submissiveness repulsive in men. Some dudes cut off their genitals and feed them to their dinner guests too, but that doesn’t mean we need to ecstatically chant a Lady Gaga anthem about it down at The Manhole. In other words, brother, fight the urge. It is ultimately not good for you to keep stuffing a square peg in a round hole.

        You need to develop new muscle memories rather than indulging the pernicious ones programmed into you as a kid. Your attempt to be a woman is no different from the feminists’ attempt to turn all women into men. Only you are continuing the experiment on yourself, now that you’ve been informed what is (generally) ailing you.

        Matt

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 8:17 pm Fearless

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149879/Japanese-man-22-cooks-genitals-serves-paying-dinner-party-guests.html
        Might be the strangest thing I’ve read all week for several reasons:
        1) Alright the guy claims he’s asexual, whatever more snatch for me. But why have your nipples removed also. He also looks like he doesn’t have a drop of testosterone in him and a stiff breeze would knock him over.
        2) There is something wrong with you for being a volunteer eunuch. I try to be tolerant enough, claiming asexuality is rare (and baffling), but cooking your genitals borders on lunacy.
        3) Who pays money to eat a nipple-less asexual volunteer eunuch’s cooked genitals? The diners are just as mad as the eunuch.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 8:40 pm cuckooclock

        Next up, let’s teach serial killers that they’re really that way because they were “programmed” and we can just “reprogram” them. You sound like a liberal.

        Some people are sadists, others masochists, others both, others stranger things. You can’t change these things.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 2:47 pm King A (Matthew King)

        So you’ll agree your sexual confusion is along the same continuum as serial killing and masochism. Good. We’re getting somewhere. I’ll take it.

        I come from a large extended family with solid parents everywhere. None of my siblings or cousins are freaks, criminals, perverts, or queens. We didn’t have alcoholic step-daddies touching our peters, punching our moms, or raping our sisters. It’s as simple as that. All “born this way” noise is an intellectually lazy political program masquerading as genetics.

        I am not at all sure it is possible to “reprogram” you. But I am sure you should try, because nothing but (concealed and internal) mutilation occurs when you think it possible to artificially manipulate your nature. The fact that you are still trying to rationalize your deviancy is a sign you have no earthly clue how deep your neurosis goes.

        The good news is: you have some inkling how sick you are. Now take the next step and stop pretending the rest of the world is the problem.

        I love the misreading of Genesis 19, as though literal brimstone and fire consumed the city. No, you illiterate fools. The cities devoured themselves, thinking they could redefine nature according to whimsical predilection without consequence. It’s called a parable.

        It is not “beta” to watch a dude fuck your wife. It is off-the-charts perverse beyond possibility of relating it to the normal classification of men; which is why your connecting it to murderous sociopathy is not inapt. It’s like gay porn: either you react viscerally and negatively to it — regardless of its currently fashionable political correctness — or you exhibit a confused sexuality that cannot be called alpha, beta, or omega. Something dulled that proper ick sense in you that cannot be explained away by Lady Gaga.

        Matt

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 2:04 pm SFG

        No, it’s often true, and particularly true of feminists. They’re masculine types, but I’ve rarely found any who want to do the tying. (Which suits me just fine… 😉 )

        I think our friend should probably just try going kinky and becoming a switch. Given the paucity of female dominants, and that he’s said he’s pretty manly IRL, he might be able to find a female sub with some switchy tendencies. Then he can trade off.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 12:07 am The Whammer

      Just remember this, a man who wants to play at being dominated by the female is still giving her the orders to do it.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 1:21 am cuckooclock

        Yes haha

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 6:14 am Tyrone

        You sound as if you speak from experience.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 5:58 am Tyrone

      So messed up, I want ya here
      In my room, I want ya here
      Now we’re gonna be face to face
      and I lay right down in my favorite place

      Now I wanna be your dog, now I wanna be your dog….

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 9:36 pm SFG

        Only if I can piss on the rug and take her doggystyle. 😉

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 7:52 am xsplat

      I can be a bit of a switch myself, but not to the extreme ends of submission that you prefer.

      You aren’t alone, as you know. Such wiring occurs in a minority of men.

      What you might be able to do is discover and grow another aspect of your sexuality. Any personality aspect can be highlighted and grown, due to the nature of neural plasticity.

      While I’m not as extreme as you, I’ve found that most women like to at times take a dominant role, even if it’s just a matter of being on top. This is satisfying for them as long as it’s switched up with the man being dominant and at times extremely dominant.

      You might be able to discover those dominant circuits in yourself. Likely you have them in you – especially when you consider even women have a small version of enjoying sexual dominance inside them.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 10:03 am RappaccinisDaughter

      You’re not beta. You have a fetish. And it’s really not that rare or weird, either.
      I know this may not be the most popular statement around here, but my guess is you’ll find much better advice in the Savage Love column than you will here.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 2:05 pm SFG

        Of course. You don’t take all your advice from a single source. You use Heartiste methods to get into bed and Savage to tell you how to get what you want there.

        Browse around, pick and choose something that fits your situation. It’s a big Internet.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 3:11 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Nope, no, and fuck no. Dan Savage? There’s a reason why promulgating his disingenuous faggotry is not “the most popular … around here,” and it’s mostly about the disingenuousness.

        Every “fetish” is an indicator of dysfunction. It’s not like preferring butter pecan to mint chocolate chip. Rather, it’s like saying, “sucking a little cock here and there doesn’t make me gay.” The thought simply does not occur to the well-adjusted id, much less allows it to be turned into action. Nobody licks a steaming pile of animal scat because the smell made them curious about the taste. There is wisdom in our viscera. (Your host calls its positive occurrence “tingles.”)

        Some fetishes are less self-destructive than others, obviously. But to think every impulse toward deviancy is simply an inert or random expression is to join the feminist-leftist fabrication which believes our nature is infinitely malleable so long as we think it hard enough, chant it loud enough, pass laws, shun all dissent as bigotry, and ignore every evidence of ill-consequence.

        What fascinates me about you so-called “red pill” takers is how selective you are about which dark truths should be brought to light and which can be safely kept underground. Fat and old women are unattractive, yes! But a woman with a strap-on pegging her “man” is “really not that … weird”?

        Yeah, you Will and Grace aficionados have long since purged your disgust at seeing two dudes making out because “Savage Love” told you there’s no such thing as normal. That’s about as reliable a path to truth as it sounds.

        Matt

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  36. on June 5, 2012 at 8:46 pm anonymous

    Here’s a little ditty about a time I turned the tables when I used to be a beta orbiter: I wanted to get this girl’s pants and would go over there and help out in the yard, when she asked me, in exchange for some half-ass meal she would have cooked for herself anyway.

    It was a sad scenario but after leaving the town for a few years, I moved back and she started in again, asking me to help her move. By that time she was looming over the wall, and I was learning what the deal was, so she got this ice-cold text: “I used to come over and do chores because I found you attractive, but that economy no longer exists. Don’t contact me again.”

    What did she do? Sent a pathetic email a few weeks later bringing up old inside jokes and practically begging for attention. I couldn’t understand why she responded like that until reading this site.

    So if anyone out there’s being used, flip the script on ’em. Wait for her to ask you for something, then tell her she’s no longer attractive to you and can go fuck herself. Best of all, the more relationship is skewed in her favor, the more it’s going to flip that hamster like an omelet.

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    • on June 5, 2012 at 9:46 pm steve

      That is great. Thanks for sharing that story. That is what girls don’t understand and never will. Once they lose their looks they can GTFO. My how the tables can turn so quickly

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      • on June 5, 2012 at 11:26 pm anonymous

        Glad you liked it. And she definitely deserved it – she wasn’t cool about it, it wasn’t a fair deal -she knew she was trying to squeeze work out of me – yet was always acting annoyed. That hit her like a ton of bricks though…man it felt good to write. I saw on facebook she’s got a beta husband now. Not even one of the 50+ pics of her have her husband in them. Poor guy.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 1:22 am Greg Eliot

        I can picture the glow on your phiz, bro… like when the Grinch’s heart grew three sizes.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 5:08 am rocket science

      Isn’t the behavior of women deplorable and predictable?

      I think it just reflects their dual need from men: Sex and resources. They so much want a man who can give them both. Unfortunately for them, they reject 80% of the men as not being sexy, and the 20% of men who are sexy have no need to give a woman resources for sex these days. Woman’s lib and all, don’t you know.

      The self-loathing of a woman who “settles” is clearly directed at her unsuspecting husband.

      A good example of being careful of what you ask for.

      But, over and over, the proper behavior for a man is to not really give a sh*t what they want. Hell, they find that attractive.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 11:58 am itsme

        I think it just reflects their dual need from men: Sex and resources. They so much want a man who can give them both. Unfortunately for them, they reject 80% of the men as not being sexy, and the 20% of men who are sexy have no need to give a woman resources for sex these days

        yes. but because it’s difficult to find both in the same man, women will resort to the next best thing – obtaining both from different men. alpha fucks and beta bucks.

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  37. on June 5, 2012 at 8:52 pm Coldest. Advice. Ever. « The Private Man

    […] Heartiste: Spot The Beta Male Tell Comment Rate this:Share this:ShareDiggFacebookEmailTwitterRedditStumbleUponLike this:LikeBe the first to like this post. Leave a Comment by theprivateman on June 5, 2012  •  Permalink Posted in Dating/Online Dating, Good Links Here, Relationships, The Collective Wisdom of Men […]

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  38. on June 5, 2012 at 8:56 pm Anon

    Marriage before 1890 (shift to maternal preference concerning child custody): possibly alpha.
    Marriage after 1890: dumb betamax.

    Considering marriage under the current conditions is a beta dead giveaway. An alpha would be someone who sees through women’s whimsical nature, and places his selfish interests above everything else.
    An alpha is also able to recognize a more powerful opponent and walk away with a shred of dignity. No one can win against BIG DADDY STATE. Only betas are gullible enough to put their head inside a lion’s jaw.

    Putting one’s mental and financial well-being in jeopardy when all the cards are stacked against you, FOR LITTLE REWARD THAT YOU CAN GET WITHOUT SIGNING ANYTHING, is the sign of an individual who doesn’t have a developed sense of self-preservation, ie most probably beta or handicapped with deep-seated beta tendencies.
    Common-law marriage is not an excuse. You can always manage to avoid it depending on the state’s laws, or move to a state where politicians did not entirely submit to feminist dominatrixes or self-righteous manboobs.
    If you cannot move out of the state and you really want a family, you’re fucked. Just take a deep breath and you will realize how fucked you really are.

    Marriage is useful to rise above animal kingdom. But prosperity and women’s empowerment sucked all the wisdom out of the institution. All we have now is a tool of decadence.
    The sweetness of decadence is the only consolation prize that we get. Our descendents will have to hit the bottom before eventually gathering the old wisdom to rise again. Too bad it’s unlikely they’ll be white.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 8:40 pm Anonymous

      Right. Marriage is a legal and social institution. As the society and laws changed, it’s no longer the same thing.

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  39. on June 5, 2012 at 9:07 pm David Collard

    Never get on your knees in front of a woman. Do not propose on bended knee. A man who doesn’t know the answer will be yes is a fool. I proposed for form’s sake, but we both knew what would transpire. And I put her on my lap when I asked her.

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  40. on June 5, 2012 at 9:59 pm Ken_in_SC (@Ken_in_SC)

    What I did was ask my high school girlfriend to give me back my class ring. While she and her mother watched me in horror, I unwound the yarn she had put on it to make it fit on her finger. I paused. Then I gave her the engagement ring. A very small diamond that I could afford in those days. No kneeling, no begging.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 7:59 am xsplat

      Push pull and an emotional roller coaster of drama. Good thrill ride and good job.

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  41. on June 5, 2012 at 10:09 pm Guy@yahoo.com

    “If anything, since men give up more to get married, it’s women who should drop on bended knee thanking their boyfriends for making honest whores out of them.”

    Fucking Classic! Well said.

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  42. on June 5, 2012 at 10:16 pm Burton

    Be interesting to hear from the Beta males out there. Why do you get down on your knees before females? What do you think you are trying to do?

    You have the Internet with websites like this one to tell you that down-on-your-knees is a strategy which will lead you to doom. So why do you do it?

    No woman with the least bit of character would, if known to her, allow her boyfriend to hock his pop’s heirloom for a blood diamond. Most American women don’t have the least bit of character. … Finally, the cringe-worthiest beta male tell was the bended knee beggary. If anything, since men give up more to get married, it’s women who should drop on bended knee thanking their boyfriends for making honest whores out of them.

    As usual, your writing is hitting on all eight cylinders! 8? Heck, let’s say 12!

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  43. on June 5, 2012 at 10:58 pm demirogue

    Watched an episode of Pawn Stars where one guy sold his vast collection of Star Trek memorabilia for marriage. Think he got 6K for it all even though the collection was worth a hell of a lot more.

    And on a personal level, scored a rare factory fiberglass hood for $50.00 because the guy’s old lady made him get rid of the car for a jet ski and it had been sitting around collecting dust. How stupid.

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  44. on June 5, 2012 at 11:16 pm Fuckaire

    I like the old style of getting married:

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 6:19 am Herzog

      I think of this play often, it serves as a reminder of the days when fathers had to approve of a marriage. There was even a woman in the villiage who’s job it was to pair up men and women at a very young age(matchmaker matchmaker make me a match!). These traditions were necessary in the old days for survival and a healthy society.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 10:18 am Gina

      Interesting choice of movie clips to illustrate your point, considering what happens next…

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  45. on June 5, 2012 at 11:45 pm oalm

    Isnt telling a girl to stop contacting beta, and a little bitter? Wouldnt an alpha simply block her or not respond as if her contacts didnt even enter his conciousness

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  46. on June 6, 2012 at 12:09 am Zac

    “dropping to one knee is exquisitely, insufferably BETA.”

    I will kneel before my partner and she will kneel before me. Not just in the moment I ask for her hand in marriage but in our relationship. I think it’s super beta to worry so much about giving up any sort of “alpha” you possess. If you decide you want to spend the rest of your life with a woman but you can’t get down on one knee and profess your love for her what the hell are you marrying her for in the first place? I think that’s a huge reach man.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 1:05 am Nom

      How do all these guys find this blog but never manage to learn anything there?

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 1:16 am Zac

        You have no idea how much of a compliment that seems to be.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 2:01 am Nom

        When I encounter new experience-based ideas, I keep my mind open. Experience is smoke, and there is no smoke without fire.

        The method has led me to believe in aliens, ghosts, and God, but also in the hamster and alpha male. In the end, you choose either experience or “reason” (which is whatever you happen to believe at the moment). I’ve chosen experience. What have you chosen? And do you act in accordance to your choice?

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 3:22 am Zac

        What are you talking about….. Jesus man, I just don’t agree with the attitude of this post and I have a bunch of life experience to back up how I feel. Granted, I haven’t asked many girls to marry me. I don’t think most guys here have experience with more than one or two. how much over analytic mental masturbation does it take to even get to the point you are blogging about whether or not it’s “alpha” or “beta” to kneel down when you propose. What a week thing to say. Honestly, a guy that worries about stuff like that is a weak man. I’m sorry. The only thing that matters is what your relationship is, and how you handle yourself when you propose. If you seriously think you lose some sort of status or respect as a person for kneeling down in front of someone when you ask them to be your partner in life you might seriously need some therapy.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 2:57 pm Money

        Nom, my question, too. Jesus, no man should ever kneel before anything/anyone.

        Except in church and then only if you’re Catholic. (Protestants don’t kneel.)

        All these posters keep thinking their kneeling before a woman is the only acceptable exception to the rule.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 3:24 am Zac

        What reasoning in the world is there that a man shouldn’t kneel before anyone. Pride? I would kneel before my parents. I would kneel before the men and women that have come before me in life who have helped bring me things like this computer and this house I live in. I will probably kneel before the woman I decide I want to spend the rest of my life with. When she says yes she will be kneeling to me. Get over yourself.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 5:06 pm Lara

      So you are going to kneel down and then pull her down with you?

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 3:25 am Zac

        That’s really not a bad idea if I ever get to a point I want to marry a girl I might try just that. It’s different.

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  47. on June 6, 2012 at 1:44 am Bryan

    If you ever want to have kids, ignore the advice to wait til 70 (even if your swimmers can still do the breast stroke). You don’t want to be 88 (in other words dead), while attending your son’s graduation. Dead fathers don’t make for really good role models…

    This should be an important point from an evo-psych perspective (which seems to drive this blog). Just as important as you getting laid is whether your kids pass on your genes. Have 100 kids who don’t breed, and you (your genetic destiny, anyway) don’t exist anymore, just as if you had no kids.

    Some longevity is needed to teach son’s game (assuming game is teachable), and so breeding earlier would seem to be as adaptive, evolutionarily, as spreading much seed?

    What advice to give daughters?

    BP

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 6:03 am Tyrone

      Be an old badass and die a legend in your own time and remain a powerful psychic influence on your children.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 7:52 am Anonymous

        Agreed. The best example you can give your sons and daughters is to be remembered as a badass even if your motorcycle went over a cliff when you were age 75 and they were only 5 years old at the time.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 8:05 am xsplat

      The old K versus R strategy debate, huh?

      If you have excellent genes and can expect your progeny to excel based on nothing other than what you bequeath to their bodies and brains, pumping out tons of babies from multiple mothers will be the best way to ensure the continuance of your genes.

      I plan to wait until 60 to start having kids. By then I’ll be extremely rich, and will have 100 kids through 50 women.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 9:35 am GeishaKate

      “Break their hearts!”- Miss Havisham in Great Expectations

      JUST KIDDING!!!

      “And then I said, I hope she grows up to be a pretty little fool. That’s about the best a girl can hope for these days, to be a pretty little fool.” -Daisy in The Great Gatsby

      This one I find interesting as I can think of someone who fits this exact description and she seems very happy.

      “You want to be with someone who’s an equal.” -my Mom
      This one I disagree with. Equal’s not good enough. I need superior, which is actually what she may mean indirectly without knowing it.

      “I cannot wait till I am done with work. You want to marry someone who will support you.” – me recently to my five year old

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 1:26 am Greg Eliot

        It takes a superior man for a woman views him as her ‘equal’… the hamster never sleeps.

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  48. on June 6, 2012 at 2:08 am Serenety

    and now its easier for beta’s to find out if they have been cuckolded

    Men flock online for ‘peace of mind’ paternity tests

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/technology/men-flock-online-for-peace-of-mind-paternity-tests/story-e6frfro0-1226385528162#ixzz1wzThZ6un

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  49. on June 6, 2012 at 2:28 am walawala

    Super-beta proposal….going way too far for a 5…6 in the dark….

    But what I think this does is sets up the expectation that women have of the guy serving them…

    After a proposal like this, why on earth would she ever put out for him unless he goes to the same extremes to please her as he did in this proposal….seriously, after something like this anything woudl be a let down…and that’s where the approval seeking/supplication is destroying to his masculinity…

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 10:39 am Rick Derris

      Did you see ANY women in that vid who were over 5’s? I don’t mean the older ones (they can have a pass). I give the poor bastard 3 years max before he finds out that she cheated with the pool guy.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 1:30 am Greg Eliot

      Give me a thousand communities like this and I will build a nation… you guys have gotten too jaded.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 8:06 am Anonymous

        Even with the lack of hot females 7 and above? Do you think the smartest engineers and entrepreneurs will want to stay in a community that doesn’t give them what they want?

        Those happily married men in the video look like liberals who would steal the income of “civilization builders” and if these dancing men happen to be religious conservatives, then their voting with their wives to arrest the engineers and entrepreneurs who want to have sex with their 17 year old daughters doesn’t exactly make for an environment the young guys would want to stick around in to build anything.

        And the video looks like it was shot in a country where getting a woman pregnant would cost a man 225 thousand dollars, turning him into an indentured slave and preventing him from traveling the world and getting laid properly.

        This isn’t “jaded” thinking going on here. It also isn’t “nihilism”. We’re talking both self preservation, the chance to reproduce reasonably and the pursuit of happiness. Stick around this blog where the red pill is offered to you on a silver platter. 😉

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 12:18 am Greg Eliot

        Your problem is that you’re viewing this from the “if this were me” perspective.

        I view it as an overlord who requires useful citizens of the state… even if they are somewhat unprepossessing of feature.

        Here’s a teaspoon of sugar for your red pill.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 12:59 am Anonymous

      Looks like a lot of people having fun. It does not smell of beta neediness to me. It’s ok to do these things sometimes. A healthy society thrives on reciprocal altruism.

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  50. on June 6, 2012 at 2:56 am lightlybraisedturnipdotcom

    Great post. I think it should be noted, however, that selling a card collection is only beta if she learns about it. If you don’t have cash to buy a respectable ring and one is appropriate given her social status, you gotta do what you gotta do. But keep selling the family heirlooms a secret from her.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 3:32 am Mr. Pointyface

      respectable and social status my black ass. cheapest high carat gold band. if the bitch wants a stupid jeweler’s association diamond she needs to find a dumber guy.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 5:43 am sciencebzzt

        agreed. but even a high carat gold band may be too much… it depends. What is “appropriate” is what you can easily afford. if your alphacred is good with her, which it should be if you’re willing to marry her… you don’t need any of that shit… a bit of string should make her swoon. In fact, a bit of string may be even better if it has some emotional connection or meaning. you just need to make that connection. The ring should make her think of you, it should be distinctly ‘you’. Diamond rings really are a product of De Beers advertising.

        I once went out with a girl who I nicknamed “shitstain” because of a brown streak in one of her blue eyes. Apparently, I’m the only one who ever noticed it or said anything about it… one time I saw this blue jasper pendant with a brown streak in it while walking past a jewelry store. No birthday, no reason, I just decided to buy it for her, it was an inexpensive, silver chain gift. She fucking loved it. I shit you not, I saw this girl about a year after we had broken up, and she still had the pendant on. When she saw me, she reached up and fiddled with it. Thats the kind of power a “wedding” ring should have

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 4:18 am blert

      A plain band of gold = respectable.

      FYI, diamonds = carbon = coal — they BURN in flame. ( Proven 200 years ago — but still news to brides. )

      So, they’re NOT forever.

      Save the money — or give her a rack of American Eagle bullion coins if you have to buy her service. This way you won’t enslave Indian children at the grinding wheels of Lahore. You might even tuck it into the pre-nup.

      Divorcees, like whores, take their pay upon parting ways. Thusly, your true bride-price should be in the pre-nup.

      =====

      Many a jeweler lost gold and diamonds on 9-11. The gold melted to the bottom — and was mostly recovered in the rubble. ( It took months and months. ) The diamonds burned up into carbon dioxide. Obviously, no one was looking for those stones.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 11:04 am xytek2k2

      If you don’t have the cash to buy a ring, get a better freaking job.. simple..

      [heartiste: or don’t get married to a mercenary bitch.]

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  51. on June 6, 2012 at 2:56 am David

    Need some assistance from the experts.

    Girl A who visits sometimes is in town and we verbally agree to another date. I take Girl B out on date in the meantime. Somehow Girl A finds out, I get a text from her expressing disappointment and stating she is jealous. I reply to Girl A telling her not to be jealous and I will keep my promise.

    Was that the right reply? And in the future should I bring up her jealousy comment or never mention it again?

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 3:34 am Mr. Pointyface

      No you did fine. You made plans with her and you’re sticking to them, like an honorable man who gets things done. I wouldn’t bring up her competition problems unless she does.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 4:08 am blert

      Don’t reply without being cocky & funny.

      Never respond with straight logic to emotional outbursts.

      At what point did setting a date establish any level of exclusivity?

      NEVER text respond defensively — babes love drama ( think of the soap opera industry/ Oprah/ ) — …

      A better response would’ve been either no response at all — or a belated quip that makes light of the tension.

      To be dead serious is to be anti-romantic.

      =====

      Fundamentally, women love the drama of responses/ quips/ jests that can be taken many different ways.

      They’ll spin these around the hamster wheel — all night long!

      ====================

      EXAMPLE: ( Works on the younger set )

      “I don’t know WHY I like you…”

      Hug, hug; kiss, kiss; tickle…

      “Yes, just don’t understand it…”

      ——

      At this point one can interject a string of silly confusions: is it your hair? is it your charm? is it your body? is it …

      “I just can’t figure you out…”

      ——

      Long after you’ve left she’ll be wondering:” Why AM I likable?” —

      At which point she’ll fidget thinking of perceived weaknesses… right on through the dawn.

      With any luck, she’ll develop a punch list of attributes that she’ll demo the next time you’re together.

      That might range from dancing to bedroom antics — anything to DHV to you.

      Endeavor to keep her in ‘mid sale’… so that she has to keep on trooping her colors to get your approval.

      That’ll keep you both happy.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 11:11 pm RafterManFMJ

      Should have told girl A that (use made up name ie phantom girl C) was someone who asked you out and you were too damn flustered to say no. Fake surprise when she says, no! I meant girl b! For next date with now sopping wet girl A bring a bottle of Gatorade and a box of condoms.

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  52. on June 6, 2012 at 3:26 am sam

    You talk about sniffing out the beta..check out this Man Cave Collective. I mean they even talk about their desire to fuck other women(other?). What the beta could go wrong? http://www.meetup.com/Man-Cave-Collective/

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 9:30 am MW

      Well, it’s in the Bay area and they want to study Eckhart Tolle…..

      nuff said

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 3:00 am Mr. Pointyface

        Most wonderfully kinky girl I ever met was into Eck. Dem bitches is into “soul travel”. She was sure willing to soul travel when I was with her. Seriously, yoga, weird voodoo thinking means–

        No Jesus=bigger orgasms.

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  53. on June 6, 2012 at 4:10 am Archer

    I bet a number of betas out there propose marriage when they feel themselves losing the girl, one final act of desperation to convince her stay. This is the only reason I can think of that explains why a marriage proposal would be turned down – the girl had already mentally checked out.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 8:07 am xsplat

      Good call. He played the last card he had in his deck – commitment.

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  54. on June 6, 2012 at 9:59 am Stg58

    I proposed to my wife while I was lying on top of her in her bed.

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  55. on June 6, 2012 at 10:10 am Seattle

    Here’s a great example of non-beta behavior.. game themes abound: nicknames, posture, age difference…

    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/celebrity-news-gossip/cat-deeley-tells-us-tv-that-she-has-seen-the-light-with-patrick-kielty-3130927.html?ino=1#wcol

    ah, the news is always more interesting once you know these things.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 1:19 pm whorefinder

      Dude’s a fool and a beta. Cat Deely has openly hit on black dancers appearing on her show—once taking a black contestant’s mouthpiece from his mouth and putting it in her own during a taping. She’s a sex tape with an ape away from being a Kardashian.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 3:02 pm Rick Derris

        >>>She’s a sex tape away from being a Kardashian.

        It’s probably already been filmed and the poor whipped bastard will find out after the wedding 😦 I bet the vid includes a double-anal A2M too.

        She reminds me of that aging skank Chelsea Handler. I bet her number is over 200. The guy should get the hell away from her and find a 25 yr old.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 3:07 am whorefinder

        Poor whipped bastard will get what he deserves, then. Deely will be sleeping with sub-humans right in front of him and his response will be to blog sappily about it and ask for counseling. Left-wing men are such spineless, self-hating fools.

        Hell, the prostitute/kiss-and-tell blogger Washingtonienne (i.e. Jessica Cutler) got married to some beta lawyer shlub after : 1) her true name was revealed; 2) that she slept with everyone in her office’s 2 mile radius; and 3) that she was paid by some of them for sex. That’s right, after all that, some loser decided “that’s my honey!”…and had a kid with her. Or, rather, he put a ring on her finger (!) and thinks the baby she had was his (!).

        Beta losers get the whores they deserve.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 6:45 pm White Hetero

        Wow, the racial-based insecurity is so bad that is now includes fear of being cuckholded by black homosexuals? How “alpha” is this type of insecurity? I don’t think confident white guys feel threatened by black guys.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 7:35 pm Whorefinder

        Ah, another “enlightened” lefty self-loathing whitey, who loves watching his woman being rammed by sub human cock and dreams of the destruction of the white race. Do you blog at the Good Men Project like Piggy?

        And no, faggot, the apes she was hitting on were not gay.

        I hope you end up in the “diverse” section of town late one night and find out just how ” vibrant” and “tolerant” they are.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 1:34 pm Anon

      He’s been friend-zoned for 10 years, and finally awarded the privilege to lick her clit after she hit the wall.

      He’s a beta. Try again.

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  56. on June 6, 2012 at 11:34 am Sam Spade

    “Often, when reading these sad sack stories, one has the nagging feeling that a better grasp of the market value of the players would clarify why this or that venality visited the protagonist.”

    All due respect, who cares how hot she is? He’d still end up in a subjugated position. It’s not worth it if she’s a 10+ or a 5. (Though it’s less worth it if she’s ugly of course.) And obviously her market value is moot since she doesn’t want to marry him anyway. I don’t care how frivolous and childish baseball cards are (and they are), the guy expressed that he was “bummed out” about giving up something he treasured, just for the chance to be validated/humiliated by a woman. Totally unnecessary.

    Justifying it by establishing her market value is pointless. If she’d said yes, he’d be a subordinating beta all the same. I guess he can always say “my wife’s hot,” til she ages and/or cheats on/leaves him.

    Incidentally, I never bought my wife an engagement ring, and I sure as hell didn’t get on bended knee. I told her my plans for us. She bought my wedding ring (hers is a family heirloom).

    As for Story #2: Alpha tells – he didn’t pass up the job opportunity to be with her; she drove two states over to surprise him; she didn’t dump him on the spot (so far as we can tell). Instead she stewed with anger – rather than satisfaction.

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  57. on June 6, 2012 at 12:11 pm itsme

    is it still possible to get a decoder ring from a box of cracker jack?

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  58. on June 6, 2012 at 12:19 pm alejandro

    “Collections of the sort that are particularly unappealing to women are leading indicators of betaness, because a man who is good with women and able to get sex will not have the patience or motivation to amass piles of mostly useless junk that don’t add to his attractiveness to women. Baseball cards are the province of little boys and grown betas.”

    good article, i can agree with most of it, except the above quote. This quote strikes me as a comment coming from someone who is trying to act alpha rather then someone who is a true alpha at his core. First let me say there is no set definition of alpha, but my personal definition is a man who does things on his own terms and does not care what others would think of him for doing so. I get this impression because having this attitude of caring for what a woman desires over your own desires automatically makes you beta imo even if it gets you laid more. A true alpha in my view would collect baseball cards if he had a passion for it and not give a shit if it attracted any women or not, in fact he would probably proudly talk about the subject if it came up, and further not give a shit if she liked what he had to say or not. If getting pussy is your only hobby thats cool, i just think there are many ways to look at this kind of thing, and many approaches to increasing ones competance with women as well as ones self respect. However if you stop doing things you really like because you THINK girls dont like that stuff then you are a beta imo. Also there is a difference between cutting out addictive habits that waste your time that you want to quit, and quitting something because even though you dont want to on a personal level you are afraid to because you think others will judge you for it. Bottom line value your own self respect over trying to gain ground in a womans eye EVERY TIME

    additionally i believe the guys most beta move was selling something his father handed down to him, this is betrayl of the highest order for 2 reasons. 1. bloodline betrayel
    2. man to man betrayel

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 3:54 pm Kay

      How many true alphas “to the core” have the desire to collect mostly useless stuff though? I can’t even fathom how a baseball card collector could truly be alpha. If the alpha for some strange reason would have the desire to collect cards, then I do think that it would be beta to drop collecting just to seem more attractive to women. However, as just stated, I think that a truly alpha baseball card collector is such a rare thing that it’s not even worth discussing to much extent.

      While I classify all “collecting” hobbies as beta, I think seeminly pointless hobbies that at least create something (like model building) can be alpha.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 4:08 pm LostSailor

        Years ago, I worked with a definite alpha who was a very serious collector of baseball cards (and football cards, basketball, hockey, etc.).

        What’s the alpha way to do this? Turn your collection into a multimillion dollar publishing company. Google James Beckett. His personal collection of cards was worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 4:38 pm Kay

        Read a little on Beckett, and while I can’t make much of a judgement as to whether he seems alpha or not, his way of going about it would probably not hinder his attractiveness.

        But I think the distinction is between men whose livelihoods revolve around collecting, and those who do it as a hobby in their spare time. I still find it difficult to imagine an alpha card collector who pursues it just as a hobby, not as a career.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 5:05 pm LostSailor

        Well, I guess you’d have to take my word for it on his alpha-ness. I worked with him on several projects over a number of years, and based on the way he conducted business, the way he was regarded by his staff, he was a leader. Whether that translates into alpha success with the ladies, I can’t say, but his wife was pretty hot for her early 40s or so, in a monied, Dallas kind of way. His current wife seems pretty hot for her age, and she seems to go for alpha guys, judging by her last husband, Sir Mark Thatcher.

        My point, however, was that what started out as a hobby was turned into a very successful business, and if you’re going to collect such things as bubble-gum trading cards, that would be the alpha way to do it. I agree that as just a hobby to engage in your spare time, it’s beta, or omega…

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 9:14 am Kay

        I think another thing that diminishes card collecting’s (or any type of collecting’s) potential for alphaness is the fact that it is so easy nowadays…any idiot can open Ebay and see what’s out there. My dad used to collect cards (not seriously, just in a random kind of way), but before the internet you at least had to have a little bit of ingenuity to seek things out and be at the right place at the right time to get a good deal. Sure, you can still flea market and such nowadays, but active seeking seems to be done to a much lesser extent nowadays. So now I see that one thing that should qualify my stance about collecting being beta is that if the collecting at least involves some sort of challenge or ingenuity, then I suppose it might have the potential to at least be a greater beta/lesser alpha kind of thing.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 12:58 pm LostSailor

        Don’t get me wrong, collecting as a hobby is inherently beta or more likely omega. While stamp and coin collecting have a long history among adults, trading card or comic book collecting were inherently an activity for children. An adult that continues these childish pursuits is generally un-alpha. My comments was in response to your statement that you couldn’t fathom how a baseball card collector could be an alpha; I gave an example, even if the example is an outlier.

        People who collect other things, such as glassware, pottery, dolls, toys (think Star Wars figurines), even if they make a successful business out of it (and very few actually do, though they’ll delude themselves with false visions of success), they’re still omega nerd-boys who are really just slightly more organized hoarders.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 6:24 pm corvinus

        Alphas follow their passion, and have the confidence to back up their enterprises. Betas try to “settle”, not only with women, but with what they want to do.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 9:06 pm Anon

        “How many true alphas “to the core” have the desire to collect mostly useless stuff though?”

        Plenty of alphas collect useless stuff… like WOMEN & pussy notches.

        Men are externally oriented so it is in our nature to collect and categorize things. Women, money, cars, guns, knives, trophies, baseball cards, whatever.

        What separates alphas and omegas is the willingness, or lack thereof, to part with something that has brought them much joy all for the sake of a woman.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 3:04 pm Tyrone

      Collections of the sort that are particularly unappealing to women are leading indicators of betaness, because a man who is good with women and able to get sex will not have the patience or motivation to amass piles of mostly useless junk that don’t add to his attractiveness to women. Baseball cards are the province of little boys and grown betas.”

      Real alphas don’t give a shit what others think about them. They do and others folllow their lead

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  59. on June 6, 2012 at 2:01 pm LS

    Win a mate by combat or not; it will help the family survive, or not.

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  60. on June 6, 2012 at 3:04 pm Anon123

    cant be any more beta male than this liberal crying over the failed recall election on national tv.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 6:21 pm corvinus

      As said before here, Scott Walker is Alpha. He undoubtedly got the votes of quite a few liberal women who are wet over him. Even with the 114% turnout in Dem stronghold Madison…

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  61. on June 6, 2012 at 3:09 pm Stuki

    The bended knee ritual works well if one is undoubtedly the girl’s catch of a lifetime; if and only if it is done in front of a large sized group of her friends and family. Putting oneself out on the spot like that, simultaneously displays supreme confidence and true intentions, which is the kind of chick crack romance novels are made of. But you better be Fabio in a tailored tux for it to work as intended.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 4:22 pm Kay

      I think there’s something to this. This is about the only context that I can think of where the bended knee does not seem quite so disgusting. It would still be better to do it without, but it mitigates the beta a little bit. However, the girl would have to not feel that she was being pressured into saying yes via the numerous spectators.

      I’m very thankful that my husband did not propose to me on bended knee. However, I was honestly upset that he bought a somewhat expensive ring (less than $10,000, but still). I would have much rather have saved that money for a house or something. He knows that I don’t place value on expensive things, but my best guess is that he felt like I might want this to be one exception to our normal buying habits. Or maybe he got some kind of happiness out of buying me something expensive. Who knows. Even though I don’t value the diamond itself, it does still represent that he loves me a lot so I do appreciate it in that kind of way.

      I do wholeheartedly agree that a woman who cares at all about what kind of ring she receives is not worth it. Or I guess I would even take it a step further and say that any woman who gets upset at the lack of a proposal has some issues as well.

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      • on June 6, 2012 at 4:41 pm GeishaKate

        “I do wholeheartedly agree that a woman who cares at all about what kind of ring she receives is not worth it. Or I guess I would even take it a step further and say that any woman who gets upset at the lack of a proposal has some issues as well.”

        I think these things are important, but I see the above reactions as more of a sign to the woman that she is not with the right person. One of my favorite gifts from anyone was a strap wrench. The fact that the guy drove me to several hardware stores to find one simply because I mentioned I had a jar of salsa at home that I couldn’t open was the reason. That and him pointing out the forever guarantee with a shy smile. The guy is gone, but I still have the wrench 🙂

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 4:47 pm Lara

      No matter how wonderful he may be, I would never want a man to propose to me in front of an audience.

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  62. on June 6, 2012 at 3:50 pm Backdoor Man

    I lived in South America for several years. After dating and living with a local for 3+ years, I decided it was time to go back to the U.S. I said, “if you wanna come with me, we’re gonna have to get married.” Well, she could have come with me without getting married, but she wouldn’t have been able to stay and build a life here without getting a green card and, eventually, citizenship. So, a week after arriving in the States, prenup in hand, we got hitched. It’s been 13 years now. For reasons I can’t always fathom, she still worships me, even when I fuck up big time..

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  63. on June 6, 2012 at 3:57 pm askjoe

    caught the title of the actual letter, found out our love’s not going to go the distance. ya think? If you do propose and get shot down, I would think the only recourse is instant freedom.

    Anyway, here is the wages of betadom*, being the most screwed over man in the movies
    http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/the-most-screwed-over-man-in-history-movies/

    *=maybe he is, maybe he isn’t, it’s still funny.

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  64. on June 6, 2012 at 4:45 pm Kay

    Just curious (maybe an Ohioan can tell me) – why is Chagrin Falls appropriate? I was just there a few months ago for the first time and I’m not getting why it fits. Maybe I’m having a blonde moment.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 4:58 pm Anon

      Chagrin is a french word that means sorrow.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 5:07 pm GeishaKate

      I’m not an Ohioan, but I am a blonde 🙂 Chagrin means embarrassment.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 8:41 am Kay

      Haha wow, that was a blonde moment for me. I was wracking my brain trying to think what about the physical town itself made it appropriate since I was just there, and all I could think of was that it was a ritzy little town where maybe people had too much money on their hands, and therefore wasted it on stuff stuch as card collecting.

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  65. on June 6, 2012 at 5:14 pm Anonymous

    I love how you ignore the biggest tell of all: HE WAS FUCKING BROKE. Even underclass alphas get rich from criminal activity. No real alpha ever whined about society not giving them a break– like any “legit” one percenter, they exploit the system to take what they want, rules be damned.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 7:07 pm Nom

      Sounds more like psychopath than alpha to me. Alphas are supposed to be good leaders, and hence care about group cohesion and have empathy for their subjects. Psychopaths lack empathy and have no interest in the group’s success. Alphas are likelier to identify with positive role models, and tend also to avoid criminal activity for the reason that it’s harmful to others (empathy).

      (Since men have evolved to be warriors, it’s difficult to analyse alpha males as anything but leaders. Sure, you CAN analyse them as womanisers first and foremost, but since psychopaths get plenty of women as well, such analysis tends to confuse as much as it reveals, which explains why so many readers here are confused on this point. In any case, psychopaths aren’t alphas, they are parasites in the ecological-biological sense.)

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  66. on June 6, 2012 at 6:03 pm Musing Alpha

    I do not think marriage is per se inherently beta. I think it gets that wrap because in modern times it is really only betas that hop right into marriage. I know plenty of happily married alphas though. I think marriage compliments them because 1) they are alpha and control their woman and 2) their personality was more geared toward long term pair bonding.

    One alpha I know just got engaged last year. Dig how he did it too. Got a decent ring from JC Penny on sale for a few hundred bucks. It’s nice looking. Nothing that his soon to be wife would be ashamed to show her girlfriends, but at the same time nothing ostentatious. He asked her one morning while she was cooking him breakfast is some lingerie. He just slide it across the counter without saying a word and let her open it. In the box was the ring and some pre-nup papers he had his lawyer draw up a few weeks before. He just said “if you want to take those papers to a lawyer, have them reviewed, then send them signed over to mine. The offer is good for 30 days. It is a take it or leave it one.” She of course was over the moon about it but gave him some shit about the delivery. He was wondering how long it would take her to find a lawyer and get his lawyer the pre-nup. The answer came the next afternoon. His lawyer called him to tell him he had received the paperwork and everything was in order. It had been reviewed by another lawyer across town and was to her satisfaction. (Always have a potential wife get another lawyer to review any pre-nup. If you don’t you will regret it and it may be unenforceable in some states.)

    They got married about four months later. Nothing big. It was a garden wedding with about 30-40 people. They went to some island for a week afterward. The guy told me the entire thing cost them around $6,000 including the honeymoon. Not bad. Saved money and avoided giving her a princess complex at the same time. His wife is as happy as can be. It is funny to see the loathing hatred that her female friends have for her and her alpha husband now. They give her “the look” any time they are together and then just stare down their beta husbands or boyfriends with a look of sheer hatred. As someone on this blog once wrote – the best wedding ring a woman can have is an alpha husband.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 8:58 pm Anon321

      Pre-nups don’t stop a wife from leaving with half. They only aid in deciding which half she can take, i.e., you specify that you keep your million dollar house but will pay her $500,000.

      It’s also impossible for a pre-nup to protect every contingency, and lawyers will be quick to sue over every little contingency. Sometimes it may be cheaper to not have a pre-nup and part with half of everything instead of having lawyers fight over a pre-nup.

      Pre-nups don’t also protect against stealth alimony, i.e., child support.

      Sir Paul McCartney can give you better info on how pre-nups don’t really work.

      It’s amazing how many men think pre-nups are a bulletproof solution against divorce rape. Matter of fact, pre-nups can probably fall into the category of stuff that feminists have blown out of proportion and labeled as oppressive to women when they are clearly not.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 11:49 pm Musing Alpha

        The validity and power of a pre-nup is largely determined by the law of the state in which you live. In some liberal craphole states such as MA or NJ you might as well not bother. But in most states a rock solid pre-nup can save a dude from forking over alimony or seeing his ex walk away with his life savings and retirement. Sure, there is not a ton a pre-nup can do as far as child support. But, in most states a court will find conditions in a pre-nup to be “instructive” when it comes to awarding support and custody. That is better than nothing. In fact, if you want kids you are better off married with a pre-nup then just being a baby daddy. Think divorce rape is bad, try child support hearings to an unmarried mother who suddenly says she can’t work because she loves her kid too much to be way from it for 8 hours a day. Say good-bye to 60% of your paycheck for the next 18 years.

        Pre-nups are not a bulletproof vest when it comes to divorce. But, if you are making the decision to marry it is the most protection a man can even get with our current legal scheme. If a man wants to never put his possessions and money at risk he ought to get a vasectomy and stay single his entire life. That is a decision I would respect. But, if a man wants more it involves upping the ante of life and taking some risk. That is just the name of the game.

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 9:45 pm James Hooker

      “It is funny to see the loathing hatred that her female friends have for her and her alpha husband now. They give her “the look” any time they are together and then just stare down their beta husbands or boyfriends with a look of sheer hatred.”

      Priceless.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 1:04 am David Collard

      I realise this is probably a minority view here, but marriage can be a good deal for a man. If the girl is religious and believes in patriarchy for that reason, as well as because it turns her on, marriage can be good for a man. I think my wife is happy, and I get the sex and other services I want with a minimum of trouble. If you have a wife in the sense of “Washing … Ironing … Fucking … Everything”, it is not a bad situation at all.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 10:31 am Kay

      The delivery of the ring seems admirable, but if he used those exact words (“if you want to take those papers to a lawyer, have them reviewed, then send them signed over to mine. The offer is good for 30 days. It is a take it or leave it one.”), I would probably have been a bit upset as well. It just seems a little cold. I hope that there was adequate tone or body language to bring warmth to the actual words.

      I certainly understand the need for a pre-nup, but no matter what I can’t think of how a pre-nup would not have hung over my head if my husband and I had signed one. I know it’s practical and probably necessary for most marriages of today, but still..to me it just shows that there is a part of you that doubts that things will work out. Also, you would think that if you were marrying a good woman, that the woman would realize that it is stealing to force someone to make payments to you involuntarily, no matter what the reason for the divorce (children complicate things of course, but I’m not considering them here).

      A pre-nup also seems to give such an easy out that I could see it ending marriages prematurely as well. As crappy as it seems, I think divorce being difficult may encourage some couples (not all) to stick out difficult times in marriage and make it work.

      Though as pre-nups become more and more common it probably won’t seem such a big deal to future brides as it does to me. It will be so normal that future brides would think me crazy for doubting it’s necessity.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 12:46 pm itsme

        Also, you would think that if you were marrying a good woman, that the woman would realize that it is stealing to force someone to make payments to you involuntarily, no matter what the reason for the divorce

        a good woman may realize this, but when the chips are down, she will do what it takes to survive. her hamster will do all the paperwork. it’s simply not prudent to assume that any woman – good or not – will act rationally or honorably when it matters most.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 1:12 pm GeishaKate

        If people had relationship pre-nups, there’d be no need for financial ones.

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  67. on June 6, 2012 at 9:42 pm James Hooker

    Hell, this story has a happy ending. One, the guy avoided getting married (you think losing you baseball card collection is bad, try divorce court ass rape), two, he learned that when you try to sell your soul to the devil, you lose both your soul and whatever you were trying to buy with it.

    And speaking of the beta male habit of systematizing and organizing, I like how the cheated-on girlfriend gives her relationship as “one year and four months”. I bet she also remembers the anniversary of the first time they met, their first date, the first time he met her friend Susan, and blah blah blah.

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  68. on June 6, 2012 at 10:55 pm MigsFlecha

    Off Topic but appropriate
    I heard on the radio the French Govt has decided to roll back an earlier law that raised the legal retirement age to 62. Now it will be back to age 60.
    Can anyone say, “European debt crisis expands” ?

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    • on June 6, 2012 at 11:10 pm corvinus

      The Eurocrat nanny state is a time bomb that is only now (since 2008) bubbling and starting to go off. Greece, Italy, Spain, and Portugal are getting it worst because of their top-heavy demographic structure — lots of babies 60+ years ago, much fewer since 1970 or so — plus their laziness and/or profligacy and willingness to live off government — which Germany and Japan don’t suffer from, so they aren’t blowing up, at least not yet.

      Germany, however, is the part of the Titanic that is up in the air, while Greece and Spain disappear beneath the waves. It will follow soon enough.

      It’s highly interesting watching big government, the euro, and the EU self-destruct. I imagine the elites’ trying to save the euro at any and all costs is because the euro’s troubles are discrediting any idea of a one-world currency far better than Alex Jones ever could. If the euro goes, they can kiss a one-world currency goodbye.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 8:38 am Paladin

        Stop spreading myths about “nanny state”. While demographic changes certainly have to be addressed, this entire crisis has gotten out of hand precisely because of too much DEregulation, and had then gotten worse because of too little government stimulus and excessive cutting back forced upon Greece & C.O.. You will note that the only countries doing well (low debt interest rates and continued growth) are Germany, Sweden, Finland and Norway, all of them countries that are known to be very generous nanny states.

        Debts have to be paid and it’s ok to have binding agreements to do it after the crisis, but you can’t cut your way out of a recession. Debt is paid off during times of growth, and its interest rates thus depend much more on the projected growth rather than on overall debt to GDP ratio. Until the EU leaders (and Republican representatives in the USA) realize this, the hole will only become deeper and deeper.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 2:57 pm Tyrone

        You’re engaging in a rather selective reading of these nations you mention as is common when these nations are held up as examples to follow. They practice fiscal prudence for one, something you statist types seem to think is a non-issue.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:15 pm Stark

        Also known for having nordic population.

        Snap.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 10:38 am Glengarry

        So all we need are some shovel ready projects to invest in?

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 9:56 am Anon

      It will be back to 60 only for a minority of workers who started working at 18 yo.

      Socialists are dumb, but unfortunately not suicidal.

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  69. on June 6, 2012 at 11:57 pm Rum

    I took her dad to a bar and laid it out to him that I intended to marry his daughter but I did not want to ignore any feelings he may have on the matter because, though I did not exactly say it, I wanted to get things off on the right foot with him. For a lot of reasons, starting with the fact that she stone cold idolized her career-military, heavily decorated, old-school-dad. In the event, he shook my hand and said, “I hope you can handle her.” Both rings were 800 USD together.
    I do not regret those choices, in their time… She had a central role in creating 2 of the most fascinating and extravagantly gifted individuals I have ever known.

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  70. on June 7, 2012 at 3:06 am gregg

    Both are betas. The key concept is “control”. Man could do anything with woman as long as he is in control of himself and he is doing it for HIMSELF. He could kneel before her if he wants it and after a minute he could tell her to fuck off and get lost from his flat if she behaves the wrong way or does not respect his terms.Only STRONG man could afford to look weak.

    Second fellow is tooo scared to tell his “girlfriend” that he needs another one. He is basically playing int safe – waiting till he manages to find another one, so that he will not be alone. Typical WEAK man. Look at those “alphas”. They definitely must have some women in their orbit cos they do not stand being aloooone. Weak move.

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  71. on June 7, 2012 at 3:19 am DonaldMcRonald

    Chris’sake people. There is nothing beta about falling in love with a (beautiful) woman and getting married (after 25).

    You know what is beta? Caring about what internet try-hards say on an anonymous forum, and not wanting to get married because of it.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 4:06 am Zac

      Thank you DonaldMcRonald for being the absolute man here. Nothing is more beta than worrying about any of this.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 7:45 am Anonymous

      Looks like someone is trying to move over here after the owner of Inmalafide quit blogging. The reality is that there is zero, count it, zero reason to believe anyone is giving or following the advice not to marry because they want to be cool with anonymous Internet buddies.

      The CH advice is sound because that “beautiful” woman McRonald mentioned will likely not remain beautiful for more than another 5 years. So you won’t be married to a physically attractive woman anymore and it would have been best not to have married her in the first place if the first thing you thought of to describe her was “beautiful”. If he’d said “marry your best friend” there might be more to that but you’d still be better off keeping her as your best friend and having babies with a genetically superior babe in a country where there is no child support mandate.

      Also, McRonald said “after 25” without specifying whether that means the male or the female. A beta will assume people date the same age. Others won’t.

      If he’s saying that there is nothing wrong with a 26 year old marrying a 20 year old, the point is taken. But, when he is at his peak appearance 15 years from now, she will be 35 so one would hope her mother was hot and she has long telomeres.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 11:49 am Zac

        Beautiful isn’t just about looks, but you obviously don’t get that. That’s OK though, The normal guys will get the normal girls and you guys can have the girlst hat put up with the way you behave.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 2:51 pm Tyrone

      Well said. Marriage has become dangerous, but I’m very happy with my wife and can honestly say that marrying her was the best decision I’ve ever made. Decent society collapses without healthy families as its foundation.

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  72. on June 7, 2012 at 3:59 am Opus

    I only once ever proposed to a woman. I did it over the phone; not good I know – and she then came round to see me and we had sex – again. She never did give me a reply, so I must take that as a no. In hindsight, I am so relieved – and I got to have sex. Yes.

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  73. on June 7, 2012 at 4:25 am anon

    Hyper-Alpha Frank Yang reads between the lines of “Be your (beta)self”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWLRbj4YVRY&feature=g-u-u

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  74. on June 7, 2012 at 5:11 am chris

    Human origins and the transition from promiscuity to pair-bonding
    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/05/21/1200717109.abstract

    (Does this mean that if the importance of male provisioning decreases, then pair-bonding will decrease as women go after the highest genetic quality males?)

    The puzzle of monogamous marriage
    http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/367/1589/657

    (Feminists by trying to eliminate sexual monogamy will wind up causing and increasing all the problems with society that they rail against.)

    (This is a summary of the above paper:
    Monogamy reduces major social problems of polygamist cultures)
    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-01/uobc-mrm012312.php

    Modelling monogamy and the original sexual revolution
    http://theconversation.edu.au/modelling-monogamy-and-the-original-sexual-revolution-7340

    Society-wide benefits of monogamous marriage
    https://theconversation.edu.au/society-wide-benefits-of-monogamous-marriage-6908

    So what do all of these studies mean? As the feminists shift the sexual marketplace to the advantage of alphas at the expense of betas, (or cads at the expense of dads), then society will become fucked. Ironically, women will be worse off under this scenario then they were before.

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  75. on June 7, 2012 at 7:29 am xsplat

    David and Rum – it’s been discussed here before, and perhaps no better understanding can come of it, but I still don’t get it why you’d ask the father.

    What would you do if the man said no? Stop dating the woman? Or keep dating her until she broke up with you for lack of you being able to commit, despite her fathers wishes?

    I’ve been in the position before where the father asked me to come upstairs for a meeting. He, his daughter, and his wife were present. It was discussed if he would permit his daughter to come visit me in the United States.

    I didn’t argue with his “decision” to say no, nor did his daughter. I thought that he had nothing to say in the matter. His daughter was already 26. And it turns out I was right. She did visit. Many times, for at least 6 months at a time, or until I got sick of her and sent her back. That lasted three years.

    I don’t understand either of yours relationship to independent will. I’ve long thought that the hallmark of mature manhood is individuation – an independence of spirit.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 4:09 pm Tyrone

      Its a gesture of respect, plain and simple. This seems to be something that just doesn’t compute with you. It seems plain as day to me.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 4:56 pm xsplat

        Shaking the fathers hand, sitting down to a drink with him and listening to his stories, or calling him Sir are gestures of respect. Asking him if you can marry his daughter and then not doing so if that’s what the father decides is more than a gesture of respect, it’s a gesture of submission.

        I’m interested to know what you would do if the man said no?

        Are the words obey and respect synonymous to you?

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:22 am David Collard

        I thought it was polite, especially as the poor bloke was going to be shelling out to pay for the wedding. Also, I like following patriarchal norms. My wife thought it was unnecessary, but I suspect at some level she found it cute or even sexy. Also, the man gave her away. She literally went from his house to mine.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:25 am David Collard

        If her father had said no, she would still have wanted to marry me. In fact, she was prepared to simply live with me. I put her straight on a few things, and made decisions in areas most men avoid; including issues of contraception and when I would take her virginity.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 6:05 am xsplat

        I’ll ask a third time. What you YOU have done if the man said no. Would you have deferred to his authrity due to his position of being your woman’s father?

        Was asking merely a formality and you would have ignored his response? Or would you have not allowed yourself to marry, no matter your own feelings and judgment and the feelings of his daughter?

        I don’t think that other men necessarily have better judgment than I due to age or fatherhood. And sometimes the issue isn’t about judgment, it’s about a conflict of interest.

        So?

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 6:13 am xsplat

        I don’t know if you are going to want to see my point. It appears that you want to defer to the mans status and position.

        Not to his superior judgment. If it was about judgment then you could just as easily listen to another woman’s father for advice.

        You defer to his authrity that comes from his status and position only.

        That seems deeply right to you, therefore logical arguments have nothing to do with it. It’s right because it feels right.

        However the setup you are describing is subservient. It is a deeply subservient position you are willingly putting yourself in.

        I have a lot associations that go along with subservience, as you can probably understand.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 12:36 pm Tyrone

        No they do not. To elaborate, its almost like meeting a future business partner that will also be family. You live in SE Asia, it can’t be that foreign a concept to you. You will be exploring the possibility of merging assets at least on some level and meeting the father is critical to that end as it his assets you will be merging with. It’s also a big insight into the type of family you will be marrying into, her values, her level of respect for her father and men in general, etc. etc. If he were to say, no, I would see it as a serious red flag and consider not going through with the marriage. If I still went through with the marriage, it would be with a conscious decision to ignore the father’s wishes and I would at least know where I stood.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 2:02 pm xsplat

        So you wouldn’t actually be asking permission then would you. That’s all for show.

        You’d be asking him if he were cool with it or not. Like asking for his blessings.

        I’m a stickler for precision in these matters, as such a small distinction can make a vast difference.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 2:12 pm xsplat

        You will be exploring the possibility of merging assets at least on some level and meeting the father is critical to that end as it his assets you will be merging with.

        I’ve never considered that issue in regards to marriage. Marrying into the girls fathers money? I tend to think of supporting the woman with my own money, or if she has her own that’s nothing I’m beholden to in any way. I wouldn’t have any social obligations to a woman just because her family has money. That’s her business. Although I can see where your coming from – a man might want to use her fathers money to help build his business, or work in his wifes fathers business. I get a headache thinking about that, but I’m sure it could work for some. I’d rather a setup where I’m the clear head of the household though – not her father. Her father loses that role as soon as the girl leaves her house to be with me. He loses all of that role, and certainly does not gain that role over me. I’d prefer not to have any financial ties to the womans father myself, even if it meant living a simpler lifestyle.

        It’s also a big insight into the type of family you will be marrying into, her values, her level of respect for her father and men in general, etc. etc. “

        You don’t need to ask permission for marriage in order to get that insight.

        I’ve never come across these values anywhere else except on this blog board. It seems an unusual percentage of the commentors are conservative and some lean fundamentalist. May I ask your background? Where do you live and what are people like around you? Are your views common in your area? The places I’ve lived I’ve never had a conversation with anyone with these views.

        They don’t make logical sense, or emotional sense to me, and are extremely foreign.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 10:51 am itsme

      i think the better way to do this is to, instead of asking the father permission to marry his daughter, ask for his blessing instead.

      what you’re really saying is, ‘i’m marrying your daughter. i’d prefer that you’d be cool with it, but if not, oh well.’

      respectful, but not subservient.

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  76. on June 7, 2012 at 8:26 am SouthTX

    I did the bended knee to a hot 20 YO virgin. Was a bit beta then and she was extremely old fashioned. No regrets. 20+ yrs later, she treats me like a King. Guess outside of pockets, girls have turned into narcissistic bitches.

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  77. on June 7, 2012 at 8:44 am SouthTX

    Personal experience. Girl’s who marry their first boyfrineds seem to take pair bonding pretty seriously. She has good genetics. Which means I don’t have to pay for the kids college so far. .

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  78. on June 7, 2012 at 8:46 am Joe

    So what’s the consensus on this proposal. I was dating this girl for a bit over a month, madly in love, fucked her close to unconscious (no alcohol involved). As we both were laying there in an enormous wet spot, I asked “when do you think we oughtta get married?”

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  79. on June 7, 2012 at 8:57 am The Chosen One

    This doesn’t really go here but I want you guys to let me know what you think of this approach. I call it the “serial killer routine.”

    I approach a group, mixed or not, doesn’t matter. I tell them that I only have a minute but wanted to see if they could help me out with a psychology experiment. They may seem hesitant but usually one will say sure. If not just remind them it will only take a minute.

    First I ask them if any of them took Psychology in either high school or college. Almost every girl will raise her hand. Then I ask them if they took the test that determines how likely they are to be a serial killer. The results are varied. More often none or one took it. If it was a guy or a girl ask their results. Neg them regardless of what they say. If they say ‘likely’, don’t talk, just look at the others in the group and then clear your throat and move on. If they say ‘not likely’ tell them that the results aren’t always accurate.

    Then tell them that all you want them to do is look around the venue, and based on looks alone, tell me which person they think is most likely to be a serial killer. Tell them not to answer yet, but also don’t spend too much time on it. Tell them when you get back you’ll see what they came up with and as a reward, you’ll tell them which one of them looks most like a serial killer.

    Casually walk away to friends or the bar, where surely you’ve befriended the bartender, or just walk out of sight otherwise. Return in 15 minutes and ask them what they came up with.

    When they point out who, ask them why. They’ll usually find a tatted or weird looking goth kid. Tell them they are wrong. Find the hottest girl in the venue and tell them it’s her and why. Say good looking people are often serial killers, make up something about her facial structure, arm length, anything doesn’t really matter.

    Now you turn to the group and tell them who is most likely a serial killer, and they’ll believe you since you’re an expert on the subject. Be kind to the lesser looking girls. Disarm the guy(s) by saying they look too nice, don’t look like killers, etc. Then tell the group that your target is most likely. Describe why, but press hard or soft in your description depending on the reaction of the group.

    Then you say to your target, “look I know I haven’t even met you but can you do me a small favor?” She’ll say yes. “Don’t kill me.” She’ll laugh and say she won’t. “You’re a hell of a girl.”

    Leave. Come back and work your game knowing that this group Effing loves you, you charming, personable, educated man, you.

    Oh and grin the entire time.

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  80. on June 7, 2012 at 9:02 am SouthTX

    Old school. A girl who is easy, fun to play with. If you want a Mother of children, no f&cking way.

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  81. on June 7, 2012 at 9:17 am SouthTX

    Did the bended knee in Church privately on Christmas Eve. Unofficially, we both knew the answer beforehand. If I am bending a knee, it is to God.

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  82. on June 7, 2012 at 9:44 am Tall King

    I proposed to my wife post-coitus, while she was still catching her breath, and with no ring. “Ok, let’s get married.” I think proposing with a ring encourages ring idolatry and is a visible display of her control. If she says yes without one, you know you hold the upper hand in marriage.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 3:48 pm sonia

      dude if ur craving the “upper hand” in marriage, ur going to get a divorce at some pt…

      [heartiste: nope. women initiate most divorces, and a big reason for that is that they have the upper hand over their spineless hubbies.]

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 3:56 pm Zac

        Sonia, thanks for pointing that out. I’m glad all these guys will be married to the kinds of girls that put up with this kind of thinking. As your reply heartiste, that’s a gross oversimplification of why people get divorced. Their husbands might just suck at life and it might have nothing to do with the upper hand. You can be a good husband without looking for the upper hand in a relationship. How many times have you been married that you are an expert on divorce now?

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 4:36 pm LostSailor

        Well, I’ve been there and done that. And I’ve watched the same dynamic play out in failed marriages among some family and friends, and I know that Heartiste is quite correct.

        You and Sonia seem to have misapprehended that is meant by having the upper hand, and seem to think it a bad thing. Having hand is not being cruel, arbitrary, dictatorial, or malicious. In any marriage, someone is going to lead; even the feminists understand that there are power dynamics in any relationship, though they get the answer wrong. Experience–and as Heartiste has pointed out, science–has shown that normally, marriages are stronger and happier when the husband leads. They’re much more likely to end in divorce when a man doesn’t lead and the vacuum is filled by the wife.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:32 pm Anon

        And you expect a feminist harpie and her manboobed sycophant to understand that?

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 6:17 pm Zac

        I have a thesaurus and a keyboard and hide behind a computer. What a man. Teach me your ways.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 9:46 pm Anon

        I only open the thesaurus when I’m facing worthy opponents.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:09 pm Tall King

        We don’t crave it, we maintain it. She loves me because I maintain it.

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  83. on June 7, 2012 at 9:48 am SouthTX

    Harsh truth, from a Male perspective. Old school traditional girls have a better chance of being happy. My Wife is very successful in business. I support her. Means I can retire early. All my kids get to live a life of luxury. The boy’s are driven. The youngest daughter can enjoy her childhood because we put her in private schools. She knows her family Males will watch out for her. God help any player we are aware of.

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  84. on June 7, 2012 at 10:09 am SouthTX

    Just saying. Old school girl’s are a safer bet.

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  85. on June 7, 2012 at 12:05 pm DruchiiConversion

    Disagree with your ordering here. Bended-knee shenanigans aren’t exactly great, but compared to giving away a precious (to you) possession in return for a trinket due to social pressures? That’s the very definition of a servile cur.

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  86. on June 7, 2012 at 3:40 pm Rihanna Deserved It

    Another beta proposal, courtesy of barstoolsports.com

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  87. on June 7, 2012 at 3:41 pm sonia

    I think cheaters can be classified as beta males, not alpha males. An alpha male would have told the woman, good luck but i have needs and u don’t fulfill them four million miles away. only a beta male is cowardly enough to not be upfront… i’ve been dumped by an alpha male and he was a dbag, but at least he wasn’t a coward!

    [heartiste: nope. beta males don’t cheat because they don’t have the opportunity to do so.]

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  88. on June 7, 2012 at 5:37 pm gunslingergregi

    the problem sonia is there is no word in the language for just telling a chick you are seeing other people but she ain’t allowed.
    Need to make one up i guess
    lets call it
    being a man

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  89. on June 7, 2012 at 5:39 pm gunslingergregi

    anyone know a word allready in existance let me know

    seems like its intentional that there isn’t a word can’t even discuss the shit

    we could call it being kind

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  90. on June 8, 2012 at 12:26 am gunslingergregi

    http://www.kcra.com/School-Forces-Boy-To-Take-Flag-Off-Bike/-/11798090/12665650/-/609yxqz/-/index.html

    ””””””

    yea its gotten that bad i guess

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  91. on June 8, 2012 at 10:09 am a girl

    wasting money on a diamond ring is not very wise. but a ring, any ring, and the kneeling down part are both nice, especially because they are a part of the customs. a once-in-a -lifetime gesture helps draw a more discrete line in life. it saves the brain some energy from making switches later on.

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