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The Curse Of The Player

June 7, 2012 by CH

Beware the blessings of gratification.

The relationship. The long-term relationship. The Holy Grail for some. Purgatory for others. Serene limbo for most.

The relationship — aka marriage, when in its most loathsome permutation — is supposed to be the culmination of romantic transcendence. It moves lovers beyond lust into the realm of silent covalent bond. But this bond, unspoken and understood, can’t form out of any primordial soup; it requires the presence, and the absence, of specific ingredients. The rarity of the founding broth is the reason why poets elevate inviolate love to the sublime. One isn’t liable to effuse about the commonplace or the trite, which can spring like weeds from the craggiest soil.

In every relationship, there is a transition period; that window of time when a man senses he has crossed a boundary from experimental abandon to tribute paid in increments of freedom. A man stands at the Gates of Pudenda and makes his decision for Eros: to step through, committing himself to a revised moral code etched with broad brushstrokes of obligation and the peculiar rewards accrued therein, or to turn back to gallivant another day.

The decision at the moment of transition is not the same for every man. If you haven’t experienced multiple lovers, your transition into an LTR will be easier. You won’t sacrifice much in leaving behind your life of infrequent elation for the rhythmic reassurance of content stability. Players with a lurid, technicolor memory plate filled with many women will find it harder to accede to the straitjacketing of an LTR because of an acute sense of something missing, of what could still be had for the taking, and of withdrawal from the thrill of the hunt. The man who has bedded in his lifetime more than two or three lovers (the average number for the typical beta male) has a feature length film of past and present conquests running in a continuous loop, instantly evoked, as H.H. would say, on the “dark innerside of his eyelids”, in perfect optical replication, to effortlessly remind him of the incomprehensible pleasure of vulvic variety and of all the women waiting in oblivious anticipation for the arrival of his plunderprong.

The memory and the knowledge are the curse of the player. Memory stokes the wanderlust with insistent, torrential recall of scores of curvaceous bodies and rippled vulvae. Though in theory one vagina is no different than the rest, in a man’s mind each furrow is an ecological feature etched into strange planets across the galaxy. Every vagina is a new world to a man, some more exotic than others, and the unbridled enthusiasm he will feel planting his flag on fresh colonizations is no accident of evolution. Contrary to feminized misappraisal, this is not the pretentious joy of shame or escape; it is the sincere joy of pleasure that needs no reason.

The knowledge that the player possesses at his whim the skill to seduce women is the twin sabotage that undermines relationship endurance. A player will see the world of women lit from every angle, exposed to his exploration, if he knows, through experience, through the touch of a thousand fingertips, that he can bed women fairly consistently, and with manageable effort. The psychological emollient of knowing this power is his is enough to burden the heart of a man contemplating even a facsimile of fidelity. Bound to his lover by, in turns, conscience, social opprobrium, and legal sanction, the streams of waiting conquests slipping past like rivulets of glimmering intimacies, taunting his parched loin loosely moored to the ballast of loyalty, is the torture of a lifetime of short-circuited ejaculations.

In contrast, to be the grateful man with no history of sexual plenitude, for whom omnipresent sensual possibilities seem as remote as the twinkling stars in the heavens and thus unlikely to stir his ancient calling, is to be released with the gift of the constrained vision. Where possibility is dead, or unfathomable, so is dangerous yearning. He is now free to step back from the beautiful painting and dryly ponder its geometric contours. When this man falls in love with an accessible work of art, one he can call his own, he has little else to compare its grip on his imagination. He cherishes his chosen muse, blissfully ignorant of the carelessness and glibness with which he would succumb to, and love, the millions of competing muses were they to be more tangible to him than airbrushed magazine cover placeholders.

The curse of the player, then, is ultimately illumination, tactile and cerebral. His own success in love betrays his quest for the ultimate love. He has seen vistas he cannot unsee.

He is not a disbeliever in everlasting monogamous love, quite the contrary; but his eternal search for it has corrupted the destination. Each step of his journey lands like the heavy stamp of slash and burn machinery, decloaking the mystery of the source at the mouth of the tributary. He is as certain to destroy underfoot the elixir of redemption as he is to finally catch it, leached of its nutrients.

Ironically, the man (or woman) best situated to find divine love is the one whose efforts aren’t excessively profitable.

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  1. on June 7, 2012 at 2:52 pm theprivateman

    “Bound to his lover by, in turns, conscience, social opprobrium, and legal sanction, the streams of waiting conquests slipping past like rivulets of glimmering intimacies, taunting his parched loin loosely moored to the ballast of loyalty, is the torture of a lifetime of short-circuited ejaculations.”

    Depending on one’s view of literature, this whole post is either completely overwrought or breathtakingly beautiful.

    …”vulvic variety” indeed.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 7:49 pm Firepower

      Time for a poll…

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:55 pm GeishaKate

        In favor.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 9:02 am blueredcat@gmail.com

        Me too. Probably the best heartiste post.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 6:25 am Spiralina

      The entire post is painfully, jaw-grindingly overwrought.

      [heartiste: i take my cue from the greats.]

      Heartiste could really use a good editor.

      [(feminine) chicks dig the adjective.]

      But then Heartiste wouldn’t be Heartiste anymore, would he?

      [accept no substitute.]

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 11:13 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      hey hearrtsites heartsistes!!!!

      i am gaining new insight after muchcch studies, inot da fiat butthext matrix!!! lzozzoz

      look clcossely and you wills see the da anaswerz to da profesisonal american woman’s questsisons:

      “Why are there no good men left and why is my butt sore?”

      lzozozzozlzozozo

      http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/i-can-show-you-the-way-neo-but-you-will-have-to-walk-it-zlozlzlzozzlozlzlzo/

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 11:50 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      heartsiste!!!!! you write, “Though in theory one vagina is no different than the rest,”

      da gbfm begs 2 difer lzozozoz:

      http://www.rooshv.com/30-types-of-pussy

      i have ssenene s seen all of deses at least 7 times each, and some up to 42 timez! lzozozozozozo

      my favoriete is #28 as it both looks and lawyas smells like a tropical flower z a sweeeeet toprricla flowers zlzozlzoozzl

      #7 i firszt saw on firepwoerz’ mom when we were busy cretaing da little firebpeoerz zlozozlzzo

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 12:31 pm Firepower

        Beware: In your liberal state
        even a specious acknowledgment of paternity
        grants me specific and secured financial rights
        to your vast T-shirt & coffee mug profits.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:16 pm gunslingergregi

        yea one vagina is not the same as the other for dam sureeeeeeeee!!!!!!!

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  2. on June 7, 2012 at 2:56 pm Backdoor Man

    What? Who wouldn’t want to settle down with a quality gal like this one?

    http://news.yahoo.com/cancer-bride-alleges-accomplice-wont-snitch-110119194–abc-news-topstories.html

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  3. on June 7, 2012 at 2:56 pm Jason

    First?

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 11:09 pm Firepower

      stupidest…

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 9:01 am blueredcat@gmail.com

        Don’t be jealous.

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  4. on June 7, 2012 at 2:59 pm Nine Furies

    Is this basically saying that for the uninitiated ignorance is bliss?

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 4:46 pm Obstinance Works

      Or maybe that the excitement is less concentrated, exact, and sacred.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 5:10 pm Anon

      Yes, ignorance is bliss.

      The guys on the right of the bell curve, who can get different pussy each week, may wonder about relationships from time to time, but they are too busy to dwell on it. Too pussy-rich to give a fuck.

      The guys on the left side of the bell curve are happy to be married because they can’t get different pussy each week. Too pussy-poor to give a fuck.

      The guys in the middle of the bell curve are ones who are truly cursed. The middle-class in terms of pussy.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:26 am Mr. Pointyface

        The glaring counter-example Mr. Pointyface is obligated to bring up is the hyper-alphas– huge rock stars who could ( and can and have) literally and easily, without even approaching themselves (via roadie collections) have a different model to fuck every night.

        At least some, as shownby for example Eddie Van Halen tire of it and seek a bond that’s deeper, characterized by the self-styled “Heartiste” as a “straightacket”. Umm, THAT is how love is characterized by a guy who calls himself “Heartiste”? W isn’t the only guy using doublespeak, eh?

        The variety of onanism-with-a-live-body-present which is the life of the player autistically fails to recognize–wait, get this–there’s another _person_ on the end of your wonderful dick there, pal!!!

        Yeah, they even have _emotions_ and hopes which you cleverly massage, ignore, and dash. Because by your own titles, you’re “playing” at love. Not really loving.

        You know, they’re toy emotions, “girl” emotions. So they don’t count, right?
        So, you’re just “dicking” her.

        What heroes you are.

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 3:16 am Canada

        Yeah, they tend to have some serious divorce rates tho

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  5. on June 7, 2012 at 3:01 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Which is why its best, if you are the LTR type, to be a relative natural who can attract a cute girl while both you and her are young and inexperienced and then settle down. High school sweethearts and all that.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 3:10 pm Anonymous

      So that the guy hits his prime when she’s basically an old hag? No thanks.

      There is a reason why a healthy age difference of 10+ years has been advocated by many wise men with eyes to see.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 3:23 pm chi-town

        Agreed. My old man did an 8 year age difference. He didn’t have to tell me why.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 4:50 pm Tyrone

        15+ is better. One can easily go up to 25 years difference if one has the game to master it.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:20 pm Anonymous

        Steven Segall regularly does a 40 year difference and not because of his fame.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 6:46 pm Anonymous

        Well it’s definitely not his looks, acting ability or martial arts skill..

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 11:06 am itsme

        it’s his singing.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 12:10 pm Darius Jackson

        Or his innate dignity…

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 5:07 pm Beastmode

        Steven Seagal is a genuinely good guy, and he’s accomplished a shit load more in his life than you will in yours.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:38 pm xsplat

        Location helps as well.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:29 am traumaboyy

        IMHO Young is fine for hump/dump….but LTR…..Hell No!! They have no idea what they want in their life from day to day. The young hotties are only good for a tag and gag!! If looking for the LTR hit em in their thirties, If they are Hot and 35 AND their mother is still fairly hot……FULL THROTTLE!! They are the least unstable.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 6:02 am xsplat

        So your experience is that women mature?

        My experience is that women have personalities. Some women are immature all of their lives, and some are mature for their age all generally balanced all of their lives.

        I’ve dated a good number of women over thirty. They can be more mellow, but they still have all the foibles of women. They can even have BPD.

        I’d say the most important thing regarding emotional and mental stability and overall maturity are the girls innate personality characteristics.

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      • on June 10, 2012 at 4:35 pm Anonymous

        Too bad the system won’t let me reply to xsplat’s comments…

        That’s okay, though…I’ll respond to you directly as I would’ve even in response to xsplat confirming his remarks…

        Humble opinions aside, young’s good either way- depending on how mature (keeping in mind that women rarely go the directions a male does when they “mature”…) they actually are.

        Just as much as I’ve met 35 year olds that were not worth the time I gave them (11 years of Hell on Earth from a high-functioning BPD bitch…)- it’s a difficult path you walk to get to anything resembling an LTR.

        After two disastrous marriages with two differing “good actresses” that were BPD, I don’t think that they’re going to GET a monogamous LTR out of me. They MIGHT get one where they’re my primary concern- but I will be dating off and on elsewhere from time to time. No, I won’t be rubbing noses in it, but in the same vein, I’m just not willing to do it. And…it has little to do with what Heartiste ascribes to things here (Though I strongly suspect that he’s right…he usually is…).

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 4:27 pm gunslingergregi

        i found it to be cheaper in the us to have a different daily ho less than minimum wage earnings provides it

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 6:40 pm Anonymous

        how does that work?

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 10:19 am gunslingergregi

        it surprizes me i know that
        getting my cock licked don’t really care

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 12:44 pm chi-town

        And the age unless one is a sucker for zygotic charms.

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 10:42 am gunslingergregi

        watch new jack city some of the theme is close to real life

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  6. on June 7, 2012 at 3:09 pm SimpleMan

    Maybe the best post on here. I’ve said that many times.

    This is the siren’s song of all my triumph, tribute, and frustration.

    Beautiful.

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  7. on June 7, 2012 at 3:10 pm Ulysses

    Yet another unfortunate side-effect of delayed adulthood, if not for those sampling the poolside buffet but for broader society. Men and women, unable to effectively pair bond, substitute passing pleasure. When they do settle, they settle. Settling is not a great precursor for long term success. We get more divorce, more kids from broken homes, and the beat goes on.

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    • on June 10, 2012 at 5:09 pm Anonymous

      Not to mention this latest gem…

      “Police: 3 Killed in Shooting Near Auburn U,” by Bob Johnson and Johnny Clark, AP via Yahoo! News, 10 Jun 2012
      http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-multiple-gunshot-victims-auburn-080418649–spt.html

      “…searching for a gunman who killed three people – including two former Auburn University football players – and wounded three others at a pool party near campus after several men began punching each other in a fight over a woman… ”

      Hypergamy and mate-poaching… Cro Magnon behavior has Cro Magnon consequences.

      [heartiste: neanderthals used to be regarded as the caricature of the primitive man. ironic how today the evidence is mounting that neanderthal admixture in cro-magnon man may have been the secret ingredient that allowed civilization and modernity to flourish.]

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  8. on June 7, 2012 at 3:11 pm ve

    “He is not a disbeliever in everlasting monogamous love”

    Then he is indulging in a pretty lie. Monogamy is a choice, and a difficult one for a man with options, but it has nothing to do with love. I still love my wife as much as when we first got together. I chose to settle down and have a family with her; because I knew she would be a great wife and stay-at-home mom. She’s the mother of my 3 kids, and I would never want to hurt her or break up my family.

    But she doesn’t stir my loins nearly as much as she did when she was in her 20’s. Because I lover her, I keep my dalliances out of sight. She’s made comments that suggest she knows (things like “be safe” when she’s leaving for an extended trip or I’m headed out of town). I don’t rub her nose in it–I don’t sleep with her younger friends, the babysitter or the young girls at church, even though I could. I don’t bring women to our home, even when she’s out of town. When she’s asked me straight up, I’ve lied and denied it. If I have my way, I’ll live with her for ever. But I doubt I’ll ever be faithful.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 3:44 pm Anon

      Maybe she’s ok with your out of town dalliances because she also takes plenty of her own “extended trips”.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 4:45 pm ve

        She travels to the mountain village she was born in overseas (less than 100 people) and to her parents’ house a few hours away and takes the kids with her. She might cheat on those trips, but not likely because she was raised in a very traditional, patriarchal culture and she doesn’t have much opportunity. But, IMO, all women will cheat given the right circumstances, which is why I had my kids paternity tested even though I thought they were almost certainly mine. Why take chances, right?

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 4:52 pm Tyrone

      You’re handling this correctly. It important to have respect for one’s partner’s dignity if one cheats. Maintain plausible deniability.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 12:53 pm chi-town

        In the one case it may be interpreted to be the management of a primal human function, mileage may vary. The cat box is in the corner of the basement and we close the door when nature calls. To do it openly is to take a crap on her dinner plate. Yeah you gotta go but… . Much bigger difference. Though I would maintain that if you pass on some risk of disease, you are still an ass.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 6:49 pm Lara

      This seems reasonable. I’m not some doormat, and I could live with this. I don’t think men should ever confess to infidelity, unless it is so completely obvious, it would be impossible to plausibly deny it.
      Also, it takes pressure off your wife to be sexy to you, which can be very hard to maintain.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 7:25 pm Lara

      Also, having a man who is pleasant to be around day in, day out, is more important than having one who is faithful.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 10:29 pm drunicusrex

        As long as she doesn’t know. Confession is weakness, to alleviate guilt; the brave soul takes its punishment in silence.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 10:10 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Agreed, with the following caveats: Don’t rub her nose in it, don’t give her a disease, and don’t have children with The Other Woman.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 5:47 am Anonymous

      That’s the way of a true gentleman…and I am convinced many men with options do it exactly like you (and me).

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 8:14 am SouthTX

        This

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 8:21 am SouthTX

        Seen it in action with a friend. He was discreet enough to not rub her nose in it. Plus the other was a little hottie.

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  9. on June 7, 2012 at 3:17 pm atyd

    I know that feel bro. the secret: know that you don’t want to know

    I just broke up with a naive college cutie. long term type girl. regretting it everyday.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 4:47 pm theprivateman

      http://theprivateman.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/coldest-advice-ever/

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  10. on June 7, 2012 at 3:19 pm PlaneFunMike

    Brilliant Resonance. I have seduced perhaps a hundred incredible women in the past 5 years, each better than the last. The more I take, the more experience, the more I get to know, the further away my Holy Grail becomes…..

    I would have it no other way!

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 3:37 pm PlaneFunMike

      I’ve learned that there are no unicorns

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  11. on June 7, 2012 at 3:22 pm chi-town

    Try leaving it all together. Its a bit complicated, but I did have hot girl friends. Yet I had no real knowledge of game so it was like bucking broncos I and decided to just lay off. This was during a more religious phase along with AIDs so I was not in to hooking up. Just though sex and girl friends were one and the same. You do sort of forget about the immediate sensation after awhile but …

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  12. on June 7, 2012 at 3:26 pm Stingray

    What of those men who were the carousel and simply had enough? It is a story I have heard from time to time, though not as prevalent as what you speak of here, I would guess. What is different about these men? Do they happen to find the unicorn?

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 3:34 pm Anon

      New pic?

      If you were trying to show us your pussy, I think you got the wrong gif.
      A close call though.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 3:44 pm Stingray

        They were plum out of clams (and tacos).

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 4:55 pm Tyrone

      That would be me. I found mine. i still look at other women but I spend nearly all my spare time with my wife and have little to no desire to cheat. If the opportunity came easily and I were able to get away with it then maybe, but the desire is just not there.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 6:24 pm Pulsotic

      I’m still having a ton of fun on the pussy carousel. If a guy’s game is tight then it would be easy and you would not deny yourself the pleasure. The men who drop out because they choose not to be part of the cock carousel are flat out lying. They’ve become beta provider to their female’s hampster and are spouting all the nonsense that comes with it:
      Sour Grapes
      Rationalization
      Conforming to society’s (feminist’s) pressure to settle.
      There is no unicorn. Romantic love is a HOAX. The feelings associated with romantic love last between 6 months and 3 years. What are you gonna do after that? Women take prozac, the men turn to porn. My dick still works so I’m not staying home on a weekend night watching DWTS with an aging, inflating Harridan. Especially when I took the red pill and took the time to hone my skills to get my ‘magic number’ to under 10. That means that with a modicum of effort I will be getting laid tonight with a thin 20 something girl, who is probably a student at Penn State. Why the hell would anyone settle?

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 9:11 am Mr. Pointyface

        What’s a magic number? And are you over 50? the 20-somethings start to screen us out.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 5:48 pm pulsotic

        don’t know what happened with the double post. second one’s better. Magic number, concept of 60 years of challenge. Look at the blog roll to the right. How many girls do you need to talk to before you find the one you’re going home with that night. I’m 35. I keep myself in shape and I plan to continue that when i’m 50. Maybe then I won’t be banging 20 year olds, but I’m still gonna try.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 2:15 pm pulsotic

      I’m still having a ton of fun on the pussy carousel. If a guy’s game is tight then it would be easy and they would not deny themselves the pleasure. The men who drop out because they choose not to be part of the cock carousel are, IMO, flat out lying. They’ve become beta provider to their female’s hamster and are spouting all the nonsense that comes with it:
      1.Sour Grapes
      2.Rationalization
      3.Conforming to society’s (feminist’s) pressure to settle.
      There is no “unicorn”. Romantic love is a HOAX. The feelings associated with romantic love last between 6 months and 3 years. What are you gonna do after that? Women take prozac, the men turn to porn. My dick still works so I’m not staying home on a weekend night watching DWTS with an aging, inflating Harridan. Especially when I took the red pill and invested the time to hone my skills to get my ‘magic number’ to under 10. That means that with a modicum of effort I will be getting laid tonight with a thin 20 something girl, who is probably a student at Penn State. Why the hell would anyone settle? Because they can’t compete anymore. No guy would say ‘no’ to banging new girls every week if it was easy. That’s preposterous. It’s because they couldn’t reproduce their ‘luck’ or their ‘skills’ were only situational.

      “Settle” implies second best. “He wanted better, but settled for less.” He wasn’t getting regular sex, so he went all in on a sure bet. Guaranteed mediocre bangs, guaranteed regret.

      You’ve heard it ‘from time to time’? Sounds like guys embellishing their glory (situational) days. Don’t listen to a woman’s words and especially to a Beta’s.

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  13. on June 7, 2012 at 3:31 pm chi-town

    Game does not solve all your problems. It does sublimate your choices. Multiple babes does not have that same cozy effect especially anything like an immediate family . That does not mean sensual pleasures are not going to take a blow. A young, loyal and feminine wife, or revolving hot sex is a much better choice than most have , but its still a compromise between the two.

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  14. on June 7, 2012 at 3:33 pm The Specimen

    There comes a point where conquest and novelty are not so novel.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 6:20 pm hein

      This!

      There is another journey with different rewards.
      Awesomeness is to conquer both journeys.

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  15. on June 7, 2012 at 3:49 pm Zac

    This reminds me of a piece by Mark Manson. He sort of agrees with you but also takes a different point of view. Basically he says that because he has been with so many women it makes him think he will be more likely to know when he finds the right one to settle down with.

    http://postmasculine.com/does-promiscuity-ruin-you-as-a-potential-husband

    an excerpt:

    “My personal experience and what I’ve observed has been the opposite though. The more sexual experience I’ve gotten and the more I’ve gone out, the more unimpressed I’ve become towards casual sex and pursuing one-night-stands, and the healthier and more fulfilling my relationships have become. Granted, it took me quite a while to reach this point, but I’ve seen the same process play out in plenty of other men as well.

    The fact that my standards for a woman that I’m willing to settle down with have become so high lead me to believe that I’d be less likely to stray when I did find that woman who I’d be willing to commit to for the long-haul. When a man has only been with two women in his life, it’s easy for him to question how valuable his connection with his wife is. But when he’s been with 100, he can rest assured that what he has in his relationship is truly special and unique, and therefore he’ll be LESS motivated to stray.”

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 3:52 pm PlaneFunMike

      Unless she’s a pathological hypergam

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 4:01 pm Zac

        Not sure what you mean, definitely sounds like it was over intellectualized though =)

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 4:08 pm corvinus

        Pathological hypergams tend to have the means and motivation to move to large cities. And the men in large cities tend to be tougher. New York ain’t for the weak.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 4:12 pm Backdoor Man

      This is pretty much my story. I was never a player, but when I lived abroad, especially, women were all over me, models and actresses included. None of them were LTR material (my standards for such were very high), and ultimately, I wanted an LTR. So, when I met the woman I ultimately married, I knew she was simply better than the other girls I had dated. All you faux players can claim that all bitches are the same, and that’s a good mindset to adapt when you are on the prowl, but it’s just not rue.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 4:22 pm Zac

        I can’t wait until all these guys are 50-60 and lonely and they only have their memories of objectifying women to keep them warm at night hahaha

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:04 pm PlaneFunMike

        The only lonely nights we may have in our 50’s, 60’s and beyond are those we chose to have. You fail to understand that as we get older, and gain more experience and resources, single men, especially those who keep themselves in decent shape, become more rare and hightly sought after, while single women become more available due to attrition (death and divorce of their husbands). As we age, the tables turn. Any man with even the most limited of Alphaness (betas, too truth be told) will have the pick of the litter as desperate and lonely spinsters will significantly outnumber us. The statistics already support this.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:24 pm Zac

        You haven’t chosen anything because you have no idea how you are going to look back on your life when you are dying alone because no respectable woman worth dying with would have you. Enjoy your lonely spinsters.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:31 pm Anonymous

        This is the feminist point of view. Feminists want men to achieve menopause at the same time women do.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 6:39 pm Anonymous

        Zac: “no respectable woman worth dying with”

        You claim that they exist?

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 6:44 pm Zac

        Claim what exists? Respectable women worth spending your life with? Yes. If there are no respectable women worth spending your life with are there conversely no respectable men worth spending your life with?

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 10:33 pm all things alpha

        Everyone dies alone, only betas think otherwise

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:25 pm Anon

        Ignore that dumbass. He will grow tired and gtfo.

        This blog has witnessed funnier and more colorful trolls over the years. It’s not funny to see the impotent gesticulations of unintelligent contrarians who think they might point out something that we missed. Just fuck ’em all.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:32 pm Anonymous

        So who is this Zoe and the Post Masculine blog? It sounds like a female over 40

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:34 pm Zac

        Sounds like someones ego protecting itself.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:53 pm Anon

        Poor me. Because your powerful writings drive me to the edge of cognitive dissonance…

        Dude, wake the fuck up. You’re mediocre at best, and your manboob doctrine has been debunked by many players, including our host.
        No amount of cunty retorts and snowflaking analyses will cover the idiocy of your approach.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:28 pm Anonymous

        Between 50 and 60 is when most alphas should get the most pussy. The practice makes one better. Game, by the way, cannot be compared with professional sports where you start losing your edge in your thirties.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 4:21 am Zac

        Speaking from experience obviously.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 3:09 pm Kay

        I find some men in their 50s attractive, but if you are in your 60s, you’ve got to be immaculate in so many ways to compete with a 50 year old. 60s is really pushing it.

        I think it’s more realistic to lower the player maximum age to 58 or 59. An exceptionally charismatic person, like Heartiste, can push that max, but that kind of person is so rare that one probably shouldn’t consider it when forming a general rule.

        I guess another obvious thing to note is that it depends on what kind of woman you are talking about. If you are considering twenty-something girls, then 60 is way too high a max. If you are considering forty-somethings, then yes, I suppose you could push it a little beyond 60. This has probably been said before somewhere.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 10:33 am Anonymous

        Zac is a feminist troll.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 4:56 pm Tyrone

      This is my experience exactly.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:37 pm Zac

        Mine as well. I’ve dated a lot and been with plenty of women. I’ve never used any of the tactics or gaining upper hand tricks touted around here. My relationships have been amazing and when I find girls I really want to be around I stick with them because I know what is good for me and what is bad for me.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:49 pm Anon

        You talk like a chick

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:52 pm Anonymous

        That’s what I was thinking!

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:58 pm Anonymous

        somebody needs to get laid

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 6:20 pm Zac

        Listen to the fools reproach! it is a kingly title!
        -William Blake

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 7:40 pm Firepower

        Baby, YOU
        are a posting MACHINE!

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 8:32 pm Anonymous

        “I’ve dated a lot and been with plenty of women.”

        Ok, but were they pretty? Or were they just “respectable”?

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 9:42 pm Anonymous

        They weren’t.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 4:21 am Zac

        I’m sure you spend all your time coming up with these replies because you are super happy with your life.

        [heartiste: so then, the large number of asinine hate comments you have shat here indicates… what about your happiness?]

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 7:51 am BD

        @Zac: You’ve got it all figured out… so why are you here arguing with supposed inferior intellects? The fact that you are here, leaving snippy comments, disproves the validity of your own comments. Don’t you see the irony of this?

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 10:11 am Zac

        I’m very much enjoying my time here.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 12:34 pm Firepower

        Zac

        I’m very much enjoying my time here.

        But the flipside is,
        thousands more enjoy it less,
        with your snotty arrival.

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  16. on June 7, 2012 at 4:05 pm Cyrus

    Betas really only have 2-3 lifetime partners?

    Wat

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 4:11 pm corvinus

      Yes, quite often. I’m a recovering beta myself. Many could easily have several times that, but even if receptive women come along, fear and bouts of crippling oneitis keeps the number down.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 7:11 pm Cyrus

        So the 2-3 only tells part of the tale.

        You were still found desirable by other women, but you didn’t see them with game aware eyes.

        Does oneitis just compound on itself with age?

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  17. on June 7, 2012 at 4:08 pm Anonymous

    I read this three times, and I still don’t understand what you’re talking about.

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  18. on June 7, 2012 at 4:08 pm GeishaKate

    Heartiste: Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should. The curse you are referring to is real as I know others who have expressed suffering from it. Some might even call it an addiction.

    I think I shared the story before of how I wondered prior to my maternity leave if one baby could make up for my involvement with 130 students. There was ultimately no comparison. Now, I know the situations are not exactly the same, but you are still trading in a lot of superficial for one connection of depth.

    My thoughts in the past have been, if you find the right person, what came before won’t matter and nothing will deter you. If you are thinking of getting into a relationship again, go for it! What do you have to lose? Hopefully she won’t let you have your way ALL the time 🙂

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 5:27 pm That Guy

      @Geisha,

      Just remember that there is more than one “Right Person”, in fact there are many!

      At any given time or circumstance, one may be better than others, but there will always come a better one.

      BTW, isn’t there a law against being involved “with 130 students” – that seems like a breach somehow 😉

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 6:58 pm GeishaKate

        I don’t think I agree. There are right people for us at various stages, but, ultimately, the last person is the right one. I think there eventually is a rightest person 🙂

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:04 am That Guy

        Of course the “last person” is the right one, until the next “last person” comes along, and they are…

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:04 pm GeishaKate

        That’s what this article is really about though: putting a limit on the endless train of people. If you find someone you can grow with, you can find ways to be a new person within the same relationship.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:28 pm That Guy

        @Geisha,

        What makes you think I have NOT found someone I can grow with a girl I can train to my tastes?

        I have always been a great organizer, sportsman and coach. As a youth I grew up with many horses and would break in wild fillies – today I haven’t changed one iota, I still like breaking in fillies, and training them to take the bit… 😉

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:41 pm GeishaKate

        That wasn’t meant to be a personal comment, That (Annoying) Guy 🙂 But, if you really want to make it more clear, perhaps you should leave the “current” off of wife and tame your flirting impulse.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 2:45 pm That Guy

        @Geisha,

        I solemnly swear to never stop flirting, amen!

        As regards you being annoyed… what can I say… didn’t mean to get under your skin like that…

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 4:01 pm GeishaKate

        I’m sorry. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I have issues with married men, so its not personal. I just don’t like to be teased by what I can’t/don’t have.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 8:33 am Reggie

        let me guess, that baby is from a married man? And he’s not married to you.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 9:41 am GeishaKate

        No. The majority of the readership would never believe me if I told that part of the story, so there’s no point in even sharing it. You know, people don’t believe in honor ‘n all 🙂

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 12:16 pm Wrecked 'Em

        Men want to be a woman’s first love. Women have subtler instincts… they want to be a man’s last romance. ~ Wilde

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 1:23 pm GeishaKate

        One I have not heard! Thanks 🙂 Is it necessary to be first if you’re instead best?

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 6:24 pm Tertullian

      @GeishaKate: you divorced your husband, right ?

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 6:54 pm GeishaKate

        Yes, I did…what are you driving at.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 8:17 pm Tertullian

        Draw your own conclusion.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 8:19 pm GeishaKate

        I’m a poor artist.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 10:02 pm Tertullian

        And, apparently, an even poorer wife.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 9:08 am GeishaKate

        That is a horrible thing to say to someone you don’t know. I was devoted. Devoted. No one would have sacrificed and been loyal to him like I was nor have treated him so well at the end. And he knows that and has told me as much. I don’t think its very common for an ex-spouse to tell you they love you after nearly four years of divorce. He did. What I did is called detatching with love. I put a stop to letting his drinking ruin both of our lives. If that makes you think I was a poor wife, so be it.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 11:36 pm Rihanna Deserved It

        ^NEG

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 2:29 pm Jason

        Not cool, Tertullian.

        Kate, it sounds like you made the right decision. If he was an alcoholic, he didn’t *truly* love you; he probably loved being enabled. I’ve known lots of guys like him, and watching them mangle relationships is always pathetic.

        I’m sure the experience has made you highly sensitive to guys with addiction issues — you’ll be screening better, right?

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 2:40 pm Tyrone

        Although its not a popular message on mens’ boards, there are women who carry the load of the marriage too and the man uses that goodness shamelessly. There are, unfortunately, often compelling reasons for divorce. Each case has to be judged on its own merits. So far, I think you’re a good woman Kate. You’re at least fair minded enough to be here and learn from others rather than judge in isolation to meet a preconceived sense of reality.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 4:07 pm GeishaKate

        @Jason: Thank you. I understand why Tertullian would make that assumption, it just doesn’t happen to be true. No, he doesn’t truly love me. Its just lies, lies, lies. Words with nothing to support them. Yes, I think I am light years ahead of where I was before.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 4:10 pm GeishaKate

        Although its not a popular message on mens’ boards, there are women who carry the load of the marriage too and the man uses that goodness shamelessly. There are, unfortunately, often compelling reasons for divorce. Each case has to be judged on its own merits. So far, I think you’re a good woman Kate. You’re at least fair minded enough to be here and learn from others rather than judge in isolation to meet a preconceived sense of reality.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 4:15 pm GeishaKate

        ^^^Was trying to quote that. Thank you, Tyrone. In addition to the drinking, there was also the fact that he had cancer about halfway through our relationship. I had wanted to leave him before this, then felt it was like God’s way of recalling me to the relationship. I tried to stick it out the requisite five years and even felt at one point that things were going to be better, but I only made it four. He’s been cancer free for about eight now but he hasn’t given up drinking. I’m not willing to go through that all again if he isn’t willing to change.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 2:36 pm Tyrone

        Tertullian:

        you’re not being a very good Christian.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 2:53 pm That Guy

        @Tyrone,

        Geisha’s problem is that she is inexorably drawn to the weak Beta types, in a effort to save or mother them. Till will only lead to a dearth of attraction when she’s got her talons in them though – so it’s a loosing strategy.

        She has tempted/taunted some of the most Beta types on this very blog. So I’m guessing her SO was one of those, and she was probably an enabler of his behavior in some manner.

        Plus, she invidiously tries her damnedest to spread Beta memes like “Honor” to any schmuck who will listen. This needs to be countered by the few Alpha that populate these realms…

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 4:26 pm GeishaKate

        What? You make me out to be some kind of Siren. Yes, I do like to help people and, yes, sometimes people who need help like me. That is why I try to keep helping people separate from who I’d want to be in a relationship with.

        My ex was a situational alpha, but once the situation was gone, so was the alpha. I have admited here before and I’ll say it again, yes, I have many faults and I made many mistakes. Its never totally one person’s fault and I know that.

        What do you have against honor? I don’t understand that.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 4:30 pm gunslingergregi

        give up drinking jesus christ its a lifetime movie
        every chick thinks she is diferent about the ex but very very very few really are

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 4:38 pm That Guy

        @Geisha,

        The “need” to help “other” people usually bespeaks some need that is unfulfilled in yourself.

        Needing to help others, leads you to fixate on losers, then develop an enmeshed, “co-dependent” relationship with them – it’s unhealthy.

        I’m not assigning fault, I’m attempting to enlighten you on the Achilles heel in your relationship pursuit strategy. Fix yourself, then you won’t need to fix others.

        Trying to fix losers will lead to repeated cycles of unhappiness and despair.

        WRT honor – there is no honor, no matter how defined, in being made a dupe of monumental proportion on National TV, in the most Beta way possible. Purporting to see any kind of chivalric behavior in this so called honor is absurd, and shouldn’t be encouraged.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 5:07 pm Tertullian

        @ Tyrone: doesn’t King A (Matthew King) have exclusive rights to determine who is, and is not, a good Christian?

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 7:34 pm GeishaKate

        @ That (Persistent) Guy: I do appreciate you wanting to advise me and I want to assure you that I have already thought long and hard about what you have brought up along with many other issues. I don’t see anything wrong with pointing people in the right direction while maintaining my personal distance. Women are different than men, haven’t you heard? 🙂

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 10:48 pm King A (Matthew King)

      GeishaKate wrote:

      Some might even call it an addiction.

      “Addiction” is the word, at least for our hypochondriac culture that has to medicalize every facet of the human condition. “Mania” might also be an apt term. Whatever you want to call the unquenchable desire to possess infinite beauty, it is nothing new. What’s new is the tragic assumption that it is an achievable goal worth pursuing, even to the point of dedicating one’s life (and death) to it.

      Heartiste wrote:

      Players with a lurid, technicolor memory plate filled with many women will find it harder to accede to the straitjacketing of an LTR because of an acute sense of something missing, of what could still be had for the taking… .

      This is what Plato referred to as “the leaky bucket” in the Gorgias:

      [I]magin[e] that each of two men had a number of jars, and those of one man were sound and full, one of wine, another of honey, a third of milk, and various others of various things, and that the sources of each of these supplies were scanty and difficult and only available through much hard toil.

      Well, one man, when he has taken his fill, neither draws off any more nor troubles himself a jot, but remains at ease on that score; whilst the other finds, like his fellow, that the sources are possible indeed, though difficult, but his vessels are leaky and decayed, and he is compelled to fill them constantly, all night and day, or else suffer extreme distress. If such is the nature of each of the two lives, do you say that the licentious man has a happier one than the orderly?

      Gorgias, 493d-494a

      The good news is you have recognized it as a curse. The bad news is, you are still trying to rationalize it into a blessing.

      The memory and the knowledge are the curse of the player. [cf. The fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.] … The curse of the player, then, is ultimately illumination, tactile and cerebral. His own success in love betrays his quest for the ultimate love. He has seen vistas he cannot unsee.

      You’re too smart not to take this to its next logical step. But pride gets the better of logic all the time. You’re groping madly.

      But how could something so beautiful be so ultimately unsatisfactory? How can always desiring more and achieving more end up as less? You can write thousands more pretty words to describe this long-known and never-understood paradox without ever progressing to knowledge — until you’re ready to put everything on the table. Until you find the courage to put it all on the table. It’s a lot to ask for, especially as we age and reinvest in the youthful conclusions out of which we have meticulously constructed our identity.

      He is not a disbeliever in everlasting monogamous love, quite the contrary; but his eternal search for it has corrupted the destination. Each step of his journey lands like the heavy stamp of slash and burn machinery, decloaking the mystery of the source at the mouth of the tributary. He is as certain to destroy underfoot the elixir of redemption as he is to finally catch it, leached of its nutrients.

      This is where you want your cake and eat it, like a woman who pines after the alpha stud with beta stability, who fucks every dick on the carousel and thinks she can hop off into Bridezillian Bliss whenever she gets the notion to.

      You are a “disbeliever in everlasting monogamous love” no matter what you believe you believe: one’s modus vivendi is established by one’s deeds, not his dreamy philosophies. You are what you do. What you have done has transformed you while you weren’t looking. Your pursuit of unlimited options has quietly narrowed some options, and all you have left is to mock the hapless virgins who married each other fifty years ago as either impossible or secretly and unconsciously miserable. Whatever else you have experienced, you have can never experience or perhaps even comprehend what fruits may be yielded by a lifetime of fidelity to a single person, though you assumed as a child it must be an unspeakable torture.

      Ironically, the man (or woman) best situated to find divine love is the one whose efforts aren’t excessively profitable.

      Satyrs aren’t anywhere close to “divine love.” They are pursuing mirages that forever retreat the nearer they get.

      I appreciate the gumption it took to hint at what you cannot yet speak out loud even to yourself, to confess that something still gnaws at you regardless of your rationalizations, and to admit that the best conclusion you ultimately can generate is ironic and paradoxical, i.e., no conclusion at all. I’m not claiming to have the answer any more than the next guy. I’m just not shy about diagnosing the problem: denial is how women approach conundrum.

      You have a wealth of experience and sensual information, a lifetime’s (or eight lifetimes’) worth of wild oat-sowing. Surely you intuit that the party must start to sour, that your immortal instincts are trapped in a mortal body, that the impulse which drove you this far would best be sublimated into something worthy of your dignity and talent.

      Whatever you do, stop imagining yourself a pioneer of the human condition. All great art and literature are about precisely this sense of tragic incompleteness that you are struggling to articulate within assumptions you are too stubborn to reconsider.

      Matt

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 12:57 am Listener

        Listen to the man.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:41 am Mr. Pointyface

        I usually serve as “King” A’s gadfly, but homie just done skooled Heartiste, all filosophical-like. Ouch.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:46 am Nom

        >Whatever you want to call the unquenchable desire to possess infinite
        >beauty, it is nothing new. What’s new is the tragic assumption that it is an
        >achievable goal worth pursuing, even to the point of dedicating one’s life
        >(and death) to it.

        I have to mention one of the prime explorers of the subject in novel form: James Branch Cabell.

        P.S. Manuel (from “Figures of Earth”), though not after beauty like Jurgen or Florian, would be a good subject for game study at Heartiste. Women (readers as well as characters) loved him.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 7:58 am David Collard

        Good. You could have referenced the story of Faust too.

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 1:59 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Good reminder. I’m always leaving out Faust for some reason. Maybe it cuts too close to home.

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 9:53 pm David Collard

        Good comment at MMSL. That was a really weak post from him.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 10:26 am coconuts

        Book recommendations, please?

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 2:28 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Start with accessible books in the modern idiom. The common theme is a reclamation of manliness.

        Game primers
        Ross Jeffries, Erik Markovik (“Mystery”), Strauss’ (“Style”), plus whatever CH produces whenever he gets off his ass and writes a book

        Sociology
        Warren Farrell, The Myth of Male Power
        F. Roger Devlin, various articles

        Film
        Swingers
        Tao of Steve
        In the Company of Men

        Gateway to classics
        Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead should do, but then throw it away
        Allan Bloom, The Closing of the American Mind
        Harvey Mansfield, Manliness
        James Bowman, Honor: A History

        Then consult GBFM.

        Anything beyond that, you will need a tutor and mentor. The books don’t read themselves. If they are misread — as the academy insists upon today, using great works merely to hunt for the telltale prejudices of DWEM goblins — you might as well be wiping your ass with them. Even a book list like this is tough to certify without diagnosing the student’s deficiencies. Prescriptions vary with the patient. If you are an underrealized natural, you need depth of support. If you are a determined omega, you will need breadth. Like drugs, wisdom in the wrong doses can kill you.

        I’m open to suggestions. My education was eclectic, I’m realizing.

        Matt

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:18 pm GeishaKate

        Daily dose of Wilde: The Picture of Dorian Gray

        Dorian claimed he was poisoned by a book (believed to be a reference to the work of Walter Pater).

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 2:08 am David Collard

        No, it was probably A Rebours (Against Nature) by J-K Huysmans, who, ironically enough, later reverted to Catholicism and wrote a marvellously gruesome hagiography of St Lydwine of Schiedam.

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 9:08 am GeishaKate

        Really. I haven’t heard of any of those people! Thanks for the info. 🙂

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 9:51 pm David Collard

        That’s OK, GeishaKate, I like informing people, especially women.

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  19. on June 7, 2012 at 4:12 pm Man in Miskesona

    You don’t have to *have been* a player for your LTR to be poisoned by insistent, torrential *call* of scores of curvaceous bodies and rippled vulvae.

    You just have to become aware of your player potential too late, and have a good imagination.

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  20. on June 7, 2012 at 4:14 pm Flahute

    Sounds like your Muse descended upon you today and rubbed her vulva all over your keyboard.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 4:28 pm itsme

      i’m still not convinced maya is real.

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  21. on June 7, 2012 at 4:30 pm Obstinance Works

    Astounding words fine sir. Simply astounding. The thoughts of a god. I hope every man finds love. I found mine and then she found her alpha. I will love again some day like I had, but just not now. No just one more adventure. Just not now.

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  22. on June 7, 2012 at 4:31 pm Southern Man

    And there’s the dark side of knowledge. While a gameless white knight beta provider I was in relationships continuously from high school until a few years ago, including a sixteen-year marriage to a very pretty girl eight years my junior that produced three fine kids. Now that I’ve discovered game and the relative ease with which girls can be manipulated, I’ve pretty much lost interest. I’d much rather work out at my little piece of rural land or ride bikes or fish or do stuff with my guy friends than deal with ANY amount of female BS. My primary use of game now has been to resurrect and solidify my relationships with my daughters, for which I give endless thanks to the Three Wise Men. But getting girls into my bed? I don’t care enough to even try any more. What’s wrong with me? I’ve surely got a decade or more of sexual function left. Why don’t I have any motivation to use it?

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 4:39 pm Obstinance Works

      You have to “forget” game for a solid month and just approach like a madman. Also get a plenty of fish account and message woman. Make mistakes but have fun. Do this and return to this site. Your eyes will open.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 4:41 pm Khal Drogo

      Because deep down, you’re still not absolutely sure that you can seduce and dominate women.
      The only way is to try, succeed, see how easy/uneasy it really is, and then make your decision.

      When you’re flooded with game blogs knowledge, everything seems within reach because you’re in a bubble. The outside world is still full of challenges that you subconsciously acknowledge. But I guess it’s easier for you to take the lord posture and rationalize your lack of experience.
      Your mgtow approach is understandable. But you’ll be more entitled to it when you’re swimming in pussy. Otherwise, it seems like cowardice.

      The role of a leader frightens you. But it’s really like jumping in cold water. You’ll get used to it, eventually.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 8:59 pm Southern Man

        I don’t think I was very clear. I’ve put my new-found red-pill knowledge to good use and I’ve no problem getting girls; I just have no interest anymore. The flesh is willing (and able!) but the spirit is on vacation.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 6:56 pm Lara

      I think I might be a little younger than you, and I really wouldn’t have much of a desire to control a man or give him trouble. You might be able to find a woman in a similar situation as yourself, whose company you enjoy. It isn’t so much about sex anymore.

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  23. on June 7, 2012 at 4:44 pm chi-town

    Though it was a little too verbose in a few areas, I was remiss in not mentioning such excellent prose in this case.

    “Though in theory one vagina is no different than the rest, in a man’s mind each furrow is an ecological feature etched into strange planets across the galaxy. ”

    But too many ruffles, the words like “emollient”, “cherishes” and “yearning”, cannot survive without loss like sluggish Hessians at Trenton.

    Not overly bad but :
    “He cherishes his chosen muse” is a bird house for cannon shot, fired from patriots in revolt against sappy. .

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  24. on June 7, 2012 at 4:44 pm Senior Beta

    This post is beyond Hemingway. You are in Pat Conroy territory now. But did I read GeishaKate’s post right? 130? Can you match that?

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 7:50 pm GeishaKate

      HAHAHHA! Oh, stop! I tried several verbs there and none of them sounded quite right.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 7:51 pm GeishaKate

        (btw, its 130/year x 10 years) 🙂

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  25. on June 7, 2012 at 4:46 pm Tyrone

    I can’t really agree with this essay’s premise as it does not coincide with my experience. I have a notch count well above average- in the high double digits. The number and variety of women’s physical features became less important to me and their character and personalities more important. Having known a large number of women in the biblical sense has made me see that physically, one is much the same as another, given a minimum level of attractiveness. I simply don’t miss being with a variety of women anymore. I’d rather be with my wife than just about anyone else. We live in our own little world and I wouldn’t want it any other way.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 4:49 pm Obstinance Works

      You found out exactly what you want and now you have it.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 2:34 pm Tyrone

        What I wanted evolved over time and with age as well. When I was 20, I wanted to live and fuck like a rock star. Now I want to live and fuck like Clint Eastwood.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 4:50 pm Zac

      That’s why you don’t take marriage advice from a guy who isn’t married.

      [heartiste: marriage is no different than an LTR, except with a certificate to give it the illusion of inviolability. a man who has had long relationships with women can certainly give advice to men seeking marriage. it’s not like women’s hamsters magically transform into sloths after a ring is on it. (though their bodies may do some transforming.)]

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 4:59 pm Tyrone

        I’ve done both. Marriage is different because you can’t easily walk away. You are an officially recognized common entity and have the respect and recognition from society that comes with it. Living together is still just shacking up.

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      • on June 10, 2012 at 3:54 pm Mr. Pointyface

        Yeah, a guy who’s never been married claiming marriage is “just like” a LTR is obviously lacking wisdom of lengthy experience along with the arrogance of adolescent logic: ” It appears logical to me, therefore it must be true, those who disagree simply don’t understand the logic as well as _I_ do.”

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:05 pm Tyrone

        I’ve done both at least twice. Marriage is much different because one can’t easily leave and one is seen as a common entity by society in general and gains the recognition and respect that go with it. Living together is still ultimately just shacking up. In Germany live in lovers are known as “Life Segment Partners.”

        [heartiste: life segment partners. so orwellian. ol george couldn’t have known how prescient he’d be.]

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 12:10 am Greg Eliot

        Oh, those wacky Krauts! I bet it’s a real neat long word, like Lebensstückmitgleider.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:09 am Tyrone

        No, its Lebensabschnittpartner.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:19 pm Anon

        50% of married guys will become experts at giving divorce advice.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:49 pm Zac

        Those are definitely the guys I want to be listening to when it comes to how to have healthy relationships.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 11:44 pm Rihanna Deserved It

        Who is this guy? He doesn’t even go here.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 7:34 pm Glengarry

        Who cares?

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:40 pm Anonymous

        One should take marriage advice from any man who’s been in a relationship lasting more than 5 years.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:45 pm Zac

        Heartiste, how many healthy long term relationships (let’s say 2 years) that didn’t end in you getting dumped have you been in? Just curious.

        [heartiste: false premise. try harder, “zacalina”.]

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 8:18 pm Zac

        I’m confused how it’s a false premise. If you don’t have much experience with long term healthy relationships I don’t really understand how you can make the above claim.

        [heartiste: where did i write that i don’t have much experience with long term healthy relationships? rhetorical. i didn’t. so your trollish musing qualifies as a false premise.]

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 6:24 pm Man in Miskesona

        The more I think about it, the more I’m convinced that marriage needs to evolve to something legally and emotionally expected to last only 2 decades or so. It’s not that life is too short; it’s that life is TOO LONG.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 1:02 pm chi-town

      I have been able to live out a 1950’s kind of nuclear family. My younger wife has time to make dinner and work on a sore shoulder. I like doing things with my kids that my quiet and confident alpha father did with us. However it is not without some risk and I fully understand abandoning the attempt in these decaying circumstances. Weigh the risk and the reward as always.

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  26. on June 7, 2012 at 4:46 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    It’s tough being a stud.

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  27. on June 7, 2012 at 4:47 pm Cured Beta

    Nabokov was a supreme alpha. After ending the most serious fling he had during his marriage, the poor girl spent the next 40(!) years of her life writing love poetry about him. She was also convinced that all his books since published contained secret messages for her to decode.

    I highly recommend the most accessible of his novels: Laughter in the Dark. Besides featuring one of the most striking bad boys in all of literature, it illustrates in charming detail many of Le Chateau’s concepts.

    To whet your appetite for Nabokov’s wit, I will quote its opening…

    “Once upon a time there lived in Berlin, Germany, a man called Albinus. He was rich, respectable, happy; one day he abandoned his wife for the sake of a youthful mistress; he loved; was not loved; and his life ended in disaster.

    This is the whole of the story and we might have left it at that had there not been profit and pleasure in the telling; and although there is plenty of space on a gravestone to contain, bound in moss, the abridged version of a man’s life, detail is always welcome.”

    …and this lovely description of the protagonist’s love life:

    “Blunders, gropings,disappointment; surely the Cupid serving him was lefthanded, with a weak chin and no imagination. And alongside of these feeble romances there had been hundreds of girls of whom he had dreamed but whom he had never got to know; they had just slid past him, leaving for a day or two that hopeless sense of loss which makes beauty what it is: a distant lone tree against golden heavens; ripples of light on the inner curve of a bridge; a thing quite impossible to capture.

    He married, but, though he loved Elisabeth after a manner, she failed to give him the thrill for which he had grown weary with longing.”

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  28. on June 7, 2012 at 4:50 pm Flahute

    He is not a disbeliever in everlasting monogamous love, quite the contrary; but his eternal search for it has corrupted the destination.

    Ah, the eternal search for everlasting love. The Beloved which you seek is not a woman.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 9:25 pm King A (Matthew King)

      Deus caritas est.

      It goes by many names, it leads to diversions and dead ends and so much wasted time. But at last:

      Fecisti nos ad te et inquietum est cor nostrum donec requiescat in te.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 8:47 am Asinus Spinas Masticans

        For those whose Latin may be lacking:

        “Thou hast made us for Thyself and our hearts are unquiet until they rest in Thee.”

        Augustine

        Plato, then Augustine.

        Good luck with this lot, Matthew
        τοὺς μαργαρίτας… ἔμπροσθεν τῶν χοίρων

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 5:21 am Mr. Pointyface

        If you know Latin, does that make invisible, medieval friends visible?

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 2:50 pm King A (Matthew King)

        ASM wrote:

        Good luck with this lot, Matthew

        Be not afraid. For every loudmouth ignoramus who doesn’t think before criticizing, I’d wager there are two or three who silently get it; or others, when they do get it, will retroactively appreciate hearing the counterargument spoken in the wilderness. H8rs intimid8. They blovi8 into the relative silence and claim the preponderance for themselves, asserting stupidities in the absence of evidence. I’m running things up the flagpole here. And now I’ve met you.

        I see your 7:6 and raise you 10:11-14.

        With some Mark 2:16-17 to sweeten the pot.

        I’ll check out your website. Looks promising.

        Matt

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 4:51 pm Tertullian

        @ King A (Matthew King) : “H8rs intimid8. They blovi8 into the relative silence and claim the preponderance for themselves, asserting stupidities in the absence of evidence.”

        Hmm….kind of like….YOU?

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      • on June 10, 2012 at 3:57 pm Mr. Pointyface

        Argument by majority– “We insiders know.” Keep reassuring each other, if it makes you happy.

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      • on June 10, 2012 at 4:05 pm Mr. Pointyface

        Sly asides, no evidence.

        One tough issue, is if you had grown up on a desert Island, and no Bibles or Korans or whatever the local brand is– were available, how would you know “the truth”. If it’s really truth and not shared delusion, couldn’t a person born before Christ figure it out? Because Dog was actually present and not a marketing scheme?

        If one brand was really true, wouldn’t a big percentage from the false brand’s world realize it and convert to the other brand?

        Religion is great for frightened people who can’t examine reality closely. If you’re happier with it, then you should believe it.

        But please try to shy away from burning the rest of us alive like you used to. Kind of odd the omnipotent Dog let you get away with that, and your only excuse is “He has his reasons” So did Hitler.

        Just remember we atheists aren’t taking your sanctimonious delusions without asking— show a shred of evidence; besides your pals believe the same as you do. Just one monolith like in 2001 or something.One single piece of evidence. You would think there would be something.

        Maybe a pancake with the Sermon on the Mount written in Courier appearing on its face. That would be pretty hard to get by chance.

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      • on June 10, 2012 at 8:06 pm Nom

        As with many other historical events (such as the Holocaust), there is only witness testimony. That’s usually called evidence, so there is evidence, at least, that Christ performed miracles and rose from the dead. Not direct evidence of God, but one tends to give more weight to the statements of someone who can perform miracles than to some random internet intellectual.

        If you want to examine a modern Jesus, a man who also performed miracles and claimed there was a God, read “The Magus of Strovolos”. It was written by an initially sceptical Greek-American sociology Professor, whom I consider to be a reliable witness, although I’m naturally open to any challenges to his credibility that you might be able to come up with. Do realise though, that “it is impossible” is no such challenge, because you don’t know what is possible. You honestly sound like you don’t even know what you don’t know, which is like knowing less than nothing at all.

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  29. on June 7, 2012 at 4:51 pm That Guy

    My take on this would be that a leopard cannot change his spots, and so be it!

    I think American guys worry too much about being faithful – it’s probably a legacy of the Puritanism that founded this country. Elsewhere, like Europe for instance, guys don’t share this burden as much.

    My father is happily married for over 50 years, to my mother, and has had a string of dalliances. He doesn’t hide these from her, nor does he apologize for his behavior – it just is. When he turned 83 yo, last year, he did however have a vasectomy – on my mother’s encouragement – as he has become a little forgetful, and doesn’t want to forget to use condoms during sex.

    I was here for the whole Lewinsky “scandal” and like most European guys, couldn’t understand what Clinton was hiding, or apologizing for – there simply was nothing wrong with his actions.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 5:08 pm Tyrone

      Exactly. Marriage is not the end of the world, its just a state of existence and the foundation for building a family and wealth.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:38 pm That Guy

        @Tyrone,

        Right a Brazilian friend of mine introduced me to the phrase, translated from Portuguese:
        “Married, not Dead” 😉

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 9:32 pm pdwalker

        in English: “married, not buried”

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 5:42 pm Anonymous

        Building wealth? Was that a typo. 😉

        It is not as if employers or biz contacts reward men these days with extra money for being married.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 12:11 pm Rick Derris

        He might’ve meant that the poverty rate for women and children in a two-parent married family is less than the rate for single mother households. That statistic is correct.

        Of course the wealth of the man drops by 50+% if the woman leaves him. Lies, damned lies and statistics 😦

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 2:51 pm Tyrone

        If one stays married, one will indeed build wealth. Why else do you think the upper middle classes still marry?

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 5:20 pm Sidewinder

        This

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 6:35 pm Special K

      If I was screwing a girl that ugly I’d be hiding and apologizing too!

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 6:40 pm That Guy

        @K

        LOL – good point!

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 8:08 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

      “couldn’t understand what Clinton was hiding, or apologizing for – there simply was nothing wrong with his actions”

      Seriously? Did you ever take a look at La Lewinsky?!

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  30. on June 7, 2012 at 4:52 pm Anonymous

    This post is as beautiful as an early morning sunrise. An everyday occurrence, but rarely witnessed in all of its glory.

    I come here for the facts, but stay for posts like these.

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  31. on June 7, 2012 at 5:04 pm Aspie Nerd

    “Name the last *great* movie you saw in a theater. A film that lingered for days afterward.”

    The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.
    Before that, 13 Assassins.
    Before that, Warrior.

    That’s within the last 12 months.

    [heartiste: ugh. the girl with the dragon tattoo = the wispy femcunt with the bug up her butt. feminist porn. garbage.]

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 9:34 pm King A (Matthew King)

      Movies blow. All the good stuff is on television. The last great film I saw in the theater was Gran Torino.

      Everything in cinema has become either omega fantasies of alpha (comic book superheroes/scifi eyewash) or romcom hamster huffing. I used to be more indulgent with popcorn flicks. Then I grew up and learned something about art and the world.

      Thirteen Assassins! Dudebro that shit was intense bro! When’s DJANGO UNCHAINED coming out?

      Matt

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:14 am Tyrone

        Same here. That movie rocked, although I would have preferred a Dirty Harry style ending. Ya feel lucky punk? Well do ya!

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 3:13 pm King A (Matthew King)

        I consider Gran Torino the conclusion of Eastwood’s killer trilogy. The first two installments were The Outlaw Josey Wales and Unforgiven.

        In Outlaw he is essentially a superhero, an untouchable, remorseless killing machine who kicks ass in style. In Unforgiven he resolves to put that life behind him, a widower who prefers pig farming to the outlaw life, but gets sucked back in.

        Torino shows the fully retired gunfighter, now dyspeptic and left on his little patch of land, jealously guarded, just wanting to be left alone. But, like Will Munny, Walt Kowalski (great fucking name) is sucked back in to what he does best. Only this time he chooses sacrifice, the ultimate neutralizer, rather than furthering the spiral of iniquity.

        Little Bill Daggett: I don’t deserve this, to die like this. I was building a house.
        Will Munny: Deserve’s got nothing to do with it.
        [aims gun]
        Daggett: I’ll see you in hell, William Munny.
        Munny: Yeah.
        [fires]

        Kowalski is faced with the same situation, and at that point in the film I was certain I was watching a remake of Unforgiven. The climax surprised me. He choose against hell this time. How often do movies surprise you these days?

        If you want a different ending, pop in Unforgiven. Same essential story. But then you won’t get all the refreshingly vicious racial and ethnic humor.

        Matt

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 9:42 pm Simon Corso

      Bernie

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 12:02 am Greg Eliot

      Slumdog Millionaire
      Cinderella Man

      Honorable Mention:
      The Wrestler
      Black Swan

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:15 am Tyrone

        Cinderella Man is a great film. So is the Wrestler.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 1:07 am Listener

      The subject of contemporary alpha-hearted music has come up. These tracks come to mind:

      The Walkmen – “Lost in Boston”

      The Smashing Pumpkins – “Dross”

      Sunset Rubdown – “Dragon’s Lair”

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 1:16 am Nom

      The Dark Knight (2008)

      Probably the best movie in ten years.

      Plenty of good recent flicks, though few that one would feel the need to rewatch. The Dark Knight I’ve seen at least seven times now. Batman Begins is also worth watching, though not a masterpiece like its sequel.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 1:31 pm Anon

      Still watching movies?
      A great life includes three things: TV series, video games and bitches.

      Movies are for the previous generation.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 2:32 pm Tyrone

      All of those films suck. I won’t even consider spending money on the Dragon Tatoo crap feminist hampoop. I want to see John Carter of Mars though. I used to be a big fan of Edgar Rice Burroughs novels and read the John Carter series with relish. The flying gun ships they use are especially cool. These are the kinds of books young men and boys should be reading these days to relearn how to be a man.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 4:50 pm Dan Fletcher

      13 Assassins was okay but really nothing amazing.

      The Dark Knight was really the last good movie I can recall seeing in the theaters.

      But it seems 99% of all movies, TV and music coming out these days is utter, predictable crap. Perhaps it has always been this way and am just now old enough to realize. I cannot fathom that people actually enjoy Lil’ Wayne and Nicki Minaj.

      And Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Slayer? Give me a fucking break.

      Only good thing out these days is Game Of Thrones. Show is filled with good male role models in stark contrast to the bumbling “yes dear” schlubs that compose every other show these days.

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 3:50 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Everything is television.

        The only good writer-directors left in the States (James Cameron, Peter Jackson, Christopher Nolan) have completely succumbed to fantasy flimflam. Why? Because the truth is illegal today. We have to disguise it in fantastical metaphors to make it palatable, to make the fiction so obvious and cartoonish that no one will mistake it for reality and condemn it as insufficiently enlightened. It’s so obviously “just a movie” that we are still allowed to use that excuse. Klingons and dwarfs are allowed to be racist sexists, you see. Villains too, as long as they are bested by the 110-pound warrioress in the end. A new Hayes Code has taken grip of Hollywood, far more malignant and insidious than the old, official one.

        Scorsese is wheezing. Spielberg is a weepy father now. Who else is there? P.T. Anderson maybe, but not really. Alexander Payne is a good craftsman with bad material.

        Compare the last decade’s cinema to TV: Rome, The Wire, Deadwood, The Sopranos, Mad Men, Friday Night Lights, Band of Brothers, The Office, Breaking Bad, Justified, Game of Thrones, and a bunch of BBC imports.

        Big films of the 2000s include five Harry Potters, two Pirates of the Caribbean, two Spidermans, two Shreks, Ice Age, and Finding Nemo in the top 20. Last year, every big film was either a sequel or cartoon.

        The sewage is so heavy at the top of the tank that it will take years for whatever auteurs still remain out there to rise to daylight and take advantage of the cheap technology to tell stories. Right now they are all hiding from Michael Bay in television while Will Smith blows $300 million on a joyless regurgitation of a joke that wasn’t even all that funny a decade ago.

        Matt

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  32. on June 7, 2012 at 5:06 pm Professor Mentu

    It’s odd to think the losers in mating are the winners in love. Doesn’t make much sense. Then again, I’m sure it’s easier to sell a pet monkey to an accountant than the guy who worked at a zoo.

    I’ve learned from my experience in the dating zoo that North American Hamster Monkeys are cute, but they’re too much trouble to have in the house.

    If that’s a curse, sign my ass up.

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  33. on June 7, 2012 at 5:08 pm Rollo Tomassi

    If ignorance is bliss, then slap the smile off my face.

    My problem starts when the inexperienced begin to believe they have something to actually teach / preach to the experienced.

    https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/12/22/a-ship-in-a-harbor/

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  34. on June 7, 2012 at 5:10 pm Frank

    The only people who think this is well written are people who don’t read. “Poetry” for illiterate goons seeking sex. This post is your standard, automatic, every 3 or 4 month “heartfelt” reflection on the ambivalence of your lifestyle, in the same way that every hard partying rock band has one plaintive ballad on its album. You’re not just a shallow cad; you’re also a sensitive poet, a deep thinker. No wonder you’re such a hit with the ladies.

    [heartiste: envy is 100% bad box office.]

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 5:36 pm Anonymous

      Another refugee from the demise of IMF. Ferdinand let the alpha-haters run wild in the comment sections.

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  35. on June 7, 2012 at 5:12 pm Simon Corso

    ” The curse of the player, then, is ultimately illumination, tactile and cerebral. His own success in love betrays his quest for the ultimate love. He has seen vistas he cannot unsee.”

    My current front-runner is an ER Nurse . She’s beautiful, fit, highly intelligent very competent and extremely passionate. Not long ago I would’ve given up my right arm for a night with a girl like her. We spend most our weekends together. She calls every-single-freakin-day just to see how I’m doing. She’s super sweet and rarely complains, though she does push me to better myself .

    It struck me a few weeks ago that I should be in love with her. I should be but I’m not. When I think of the perfect woman for myself she represents about 95% of that image. Which is closer than any woman I’ve really known.

    So I have actually wondered what’s wrong with me ?

    I don’t miss the days when a break-up would send me into binge drinking marathons of showerlessness, laying around pathetically in my sweat pants and blaming the gubment for my misfortune.

    But I guess I do miss my ability to feel attachment to a girl.

    For a guy like me there is no middle ground.

    C’est la vie.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 7:17 pm Lara

      Cheer up, maybe she’ll meet someone else.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 8:00 pm GeishaKate

        Lara! *mouth agape*

        Simon: maybe she need to give you the gift of missing her. Sometimes what we think we want isn’t actually what we need.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 8:57 am Asinus Spinas Masticans

        What he’s trying to say is he knows there are five more just like her around the corner and down the street, just as smart, just as sweet, just as fit, just as beautiful.

        They aren’t meeting anybody either.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 1:36 pm GeishaKate

        I’ll never be able to understand this candy store mentality. If you’re not really interested in someone, why are you spending time with them? Don’t you have something else you’d rather be doing?

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      • on June 10, 2012 at 2:34 am manofthetimes

        For some of us, it’s about the hunt, not the prize per se.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 9:47 pm Simon Corso

        Lara,
        And that’s my point.
        She should meet someone who really deserves and appreciates her.
        The trouble is women aren’t attracted to the guys who appreciate them.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 10:12 pm PlaneFun

        Women have created gamers. We are just giving them what they want, and need. If they truly wanted to fuck nice guys, and were honorable and loyal to nice guys, every single guy on this board, with the exceptoin of maybe Zac, would be the nicest, most loyal guys on the planet! But chicks don’t really want that, now do they…

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 10:43 pm Anon

        Depends on the girl. There are some rare ones who want a nice guy. Few and far between they are, and getting rarer, but they do exist.

        So, technically, you are right. Most girls can’t figure out what is best for them, and the market has taken advantage of that.

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      • on June 7, 2012 at 10:59 pm King A (Matthew King)

        Lara wrote:

        Cheer up, maybe she’ll meet someone else.

        Droll.

        /golf clap

        I love the female faithful among this readership. Sharp broads, most all of them.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 8:09 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

      Nurses, I’ve found, are like that.

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  36. on June 7, 2012 at 5:12 pm delicioustacos

    Reminds me of Huoellebecq:

    “Love as a kind of innocence and as a capacity for illusion, as an aptitude for epitomizing the whole of the other sex in a single loved being rarely resists a year of sexual immorality, and never two. In reality the successive sexual experiences accumulated during adolescence undermine and rapidly destroy all possibility of projection of an emotional and romantic sort; progressively, and in fact extremely quickly, one becomes as capable of love as an old slag.”

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 5:13 pm delicioustacos

      Or “Houellebecq” rather. God damn is it hard to spell that fucker’s name.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 2:27 pm Tyrone

        This is the correct spelling. French never uses Huo as a letter combination.

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  37. on June 7, 2012 at 6:18 pm dan

    First of all, I dig your writing style. If only the actions of men and women were this eloquent.

    Second, as a 23 year old Asian American reading these manosphere blogs, and utilizing my somewhat analytical and intuitive gumption, along with my limited source of experiences, am I correct in understanding that it (game) should, in pure mathematical and biological reasons, be a long journey for me at this point? From how I see it, a lot of older guys I know hook up with girls around my age and sometimes a little older and younger. A lot of the girls I want to hook up are attracted to older guys for obviously greater means of their reality and experiential reasons. I shouldn’t find it weird, then, to think that despite me not having experienced multiple girls simultaneously or girls on my contacts constantly, that as I get older, younger girls will “naturally” be attracted to me?

    I don’t think I have game, I don’t really find myself attracted wholly to 6 and 7’s, but it’s only when once in a while I see and 8 or 9 that all my senses become directed and conscious of her, and it’s usually in these instances that the attraction seems to be directed both ways. Initially, a few years ago, I would get the needy and nervous and worrisome feeling, but as I get older, I start to become aware that I do feel a bit nervous but more than that I get EXCITED and want to just suck her into my brain and repeat to myself that “this girl has no idea what I’m about…and what she’s going to experience… and how good our sex will be” despite my lack of sound game fundamentals or special standing in society.

    Is it also sound for me to justify not going out to clubs and bars every few days to practice my game than to focus on building the lifestyle I want i.e travel and job, and lifting weights, than to focus all my energy in trying to develop a game or something? This notion of game is at the peripheral of my mind but it seems more pertinent in my situation and age to build up what I want to do and achieve ie moving to another country, getting a job there, create a company/website, etc.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 4:28 pm Heero

      In My Opinion, I think you could do it this way:

      – Learn game, Because even if you have some intrinsic advantages such as your experience and stability and wealth. You’ll only make it so far in the SMP. For example, let’s say you find a 10 in your social circle (just an hypothesis). If you just have summary knowledge of game you might how to open but will you be able to carry on to the next stage LTR or SNL if you do not the necessary experience to interact with her type. You should that 10’s, 9’s, 8’s require more than your usual alpha display since they’re used to being approached a lot.

      -Bulk up, Make yourself look more impressive but do not overdo it keep it in a healthy range. Because first impression is what matter in the SMP.

      -Build some wealth, enough to satisfy your target’s hypergamous instinct

      -Lastly amd most importantly, No matter what happens even if you’re dealing with a 11 or a 14 do NOT put them on a pedestal. Because if you catched her being an alpha then you dump her being an alpha do not let it to the point where it’s her who end your relationship.

      It was a longer post than i planned but you can start with this.

      good luck

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  38. on June 7, 2012 at 6:43 pm pantyfx

    And you see why value itself is the enemy of perfection.

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  39. on June 7, 2012 at 7:14 pm Anonymous

    Some things are more important than finding yet another girl to slip your dick into.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 7:26 pm PlaneFun

      Game isn’t simply about slipping your dick into some chick. It’s a study of how to successfully manage your relationship with a woman, (or women as the case may be) no matter what stage it may be in; from first meeting to marrying and beyond. Most importantly, it’s about how to successfully manage YOURSELF AS A MAN. (and overcoming the brainwashing you got in this new age feminist world).

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  40. on June 7, 2012 at 7:15 pm Poppa Load

    “Every vagina is a new world to a man”? It’s a pretty small world if that’s the case.

    A womans birth tract isn’t the be all & end all pot of gold the majority of men make it out to be. They’d serve themselves better as men if they treated it more like a bucket of fish.

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  41. on June 7, 2012 at 7:48 pm Firepower

    The ONLY way that being a player is a curse
    is if you settle down with one woman.

    THIS will be PUA 2.0
    as the Old Breed approaches their 50’s.

    Mystery, In A Wheelchair.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 8:09 pm GeishaKate

      Well, if you settle down with two, someone’s going to get the raw end of the deal 🙂

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 11:03 pm King A (Matthew King)

      LOL²

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  42. on June 7, 2012 at 9:20 pm Ken_in_SC (@Ken_in_SC)

    I don’t know how many women I have had sex with. My first wife was the second woman I ever had sex with. I was her second too. After her however, I had sex with lots of others . She did too. We were swingers. I lived in the Philippines for two years. I estimate I had sex with over 200 women. I am an old man now. I look back on it with fondness—Viagra works BTW.

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    • on June 7, 2012 at 9:41 pm Anon

      Swingers are nothing more than sackless betas coupled with ballcutting sluts.

      Acknowledge your unmanly past and repent to the lords of the chateau!

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      • on June 10, 2012 at 9:26 pm Ken_in_SC (@Ken_in_SC)

        Swingers fall in all categories–alpha, beta, omega, and worse.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 1:08 pm Ken_in_SC (@Ken_in_SC)

        Addendum: If your are alpha enough to have a hot wife, you will be invited to more parties. You have to use game at the parties to be with the hot girls. If you just hang around like a herb, you will be sitting on the couch alone while the other guys–and some of the women–are lining up to fuck your wife.

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    • on June 9, 2012 at 5:01 pm Obstinance Works

      I’m from Greer/Greenville SC. You? Yeah me too. I can’t count the women. Well, I could but I get distracted by the historical details. I don’t have that kind of focus. And just so yah know. This site is the main reason to some extent.

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      • on June 10, 2012 at 9:04 pm Ken_in_SC (@Ken_in_SC)

        Yes, in the general area, I don’t want to identify myself too closely.

        Once you have had enough pussy, 100+, you realize that with a few outliers, they are all the same. All cats are gray in the dark. That means that when you are ready for a real LTR, you should pick one for reasons mostly unrelated to her hotness. I picked my current wife because of her earning potential, extreme honesty, fairness, lack of drama, and the fact that she gives great Bjs.

        She has made more money than me for half the time we have been married and she has not failed to share it with me. I am retired now and she is still working even though she is slightly older than I am. I don’t do anything I don’t want to do. We have a yard service for both of our houses and a maid service for the one we usually stay in. Guess who mostly pays for that—not me? I consider my main job is to keep her happy in bed, and that makes me happy in bed too. Life is good.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 9:12 am Art Vandelay

        Maybe try fornicating with the lights on for a change?

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 10:03 am anja

        Art, what DO you mean?

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 1:10 pm Ken_in_SC (@Ken_in_SC)

        When you do it with your wife, it is not fornication.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 1:17 pm rvsr1@juno.com

        If you know where the Mason Jar in Greer is or Sharky’s Pub and The G Spot in Greenville on the the strip there is where I can be found sometimes. I was in Wild Wings last night and saw the hot little blond with the short hair news anchor from Fox And Friends in the morning there with her husband. I even got some flirting in with him there and gave her my number and gamed her up a bit. Probably nothing will come of it, but it very well could be interesting. I’ve already fucked (ONS) that blond weather lady she’s on WYFF 4 I think. Christy Henderson. Also a Wild Wings incident. I roll solo most of the time but I have a couple of fairly good wing men, but I just met this dude he’s new to the area he’s like a 10 and is a freaking star dude. We gonna run this bitch into the ground haha.

        And you are right woman are mostly the same. So are hotter of course, but they all have hamsterpoop for brains.

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  43. on June 7, 2012 at 10:26 pm Rum

    Pussy is good. It is good in a way that is absolute and transcendent(God be praised). However, no amount of drinking from the well of pussy-goodness will ever close the gap between the tenets of nihilism and the way real people experience meaning in their lives.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 8:27 pm Anonymous

      Pussy is meaningful.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 10:05 am anja

        Is the girl meaningful or just her “pussy”?

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  44. on June 7, 2012 at 11:09 pm operatingomega

    “The curse of the player, then, is ultimately illumination”

    Once you are made acutely aware to something, it becomes incredibly difficult to ignore it. Even taking something as simple as a film class and having the most basic ideas of filmmaking pointed out to you makes it impossible to fully return to your former ignorance.

    At best, you may temporarily exercise suspension of disbelief given that the subject matter is convincing enough. The same could be said of the long term PUA and Love.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 4:19 pm Kay

      Uggh, I regret to this day having taken a film class..very true.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 4:34 pm Heero

        It’s also true for software development lessons, The games that used to immerse into their story are now just a “Did they use C++ or C#?”

        I want my ignorance back, I wish that minority report was real so that you can implant memories.

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 3:54 pm King A (Matthew King)

        It’s called the blue pill. Go swallow it and shut the fuck up. Truth is for men.

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  45. on June 7, 2012 at 11:14 pm Big Pimp

    18+ partners in 15 years=?

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 1:38 pm Anon

      Not bad.

      Lesser alpha if you had the upper hand. Greater beta if you were their bitch.

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  46. on June 7, 2012 at 11:23 pm Jason

    One way to avoid the “curse” is to be unaware that you’re a player to begin with. Preserve that innocence. Be natural, work on your inner self constantly, pursue any woman you fancy, and when your notch count eventually gets high enough — Roosh says at least 20 (he’s right; that’s when a light bulb went on for me) — then the right lass is able to appear. She’ll feel utterly different from the previous 19.

    It’s quite organic. Being alpha also helps to walk that path.

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  47. on June 8, 2012 at 2:49 am corvinus

    Moderation is key.

    Being an omega is one extreme, being Mozart’s Don Giovanni is the other.

    Balance.

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  48. on June 8, 2012 at 3:13 am wizardcorpse

    http://wizardcorpse.com/how-to-fix-hangovers-get-drunk-without-feeling-drunk-the-next-morning/

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  49. on June 8, 2012 at 3:13 am How to Fix Hangovers | Optimum Awareness Leads to Optimum Control in Your Life

    […] – okay that’s just exaggerated. But the point remains, you cannot walk the path of trying to be alpha, social significant, savvy or etc, etc, whatever you try to call it without walking the path of having to drink booze […]

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  50. on June 8, 2012 at 3:14 am wizardcorpse

    A gift that is also a curse. It comes to how you handle your curse

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  51. on June 8, 2012 at 6:02 am Do You Have to Bang 20 Women to Recognize The One? | THE UNIVERSITY OF MAN

    […] lurking in the shadows of the Chateau, I came across a comment on this post that caught my attention. …Be natural, work on your inner self constantly, pursue any woman you […]

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  52. on June 8, 2012 at 6:47 am kronos1978

    This post is just beautiful and nails down, what every man with options has in his mind!

    Nevertheless, it shows how strong the idea of monogamous relationship is present in all our minds – even the best players spend some time rationalizing their “infidelity” in several ways. The social pressure on males to commit to one partner, to get married and to remain faithful is strong; from friends, from family, from society….Even when you are resistant to it, like CH and many of his readers (incl. me), there is a lot to think about this issue.

    As a biologist, I see it like that and try to life like that: When I as a good man with options, a good job and good game commit emotionally to a woman and partially provide for her, I sacrifice already a lot, because I don’t have to, as options are available. As a human being, I like emotional bonding to one woman, as a men, I like variety of pussy. As a conclusion, my infidelity is the price she has to pay to have me staying with her. Basically, I’d say as a good man with options, a good job and status, it’s my “right” to have other women in exchange for being emotionally aqttached to just one woman.
    My options are not only good for me, but also good for her (even when she would never admit it), because these options prevent me from becoming clingy or obsessed with her.

    But one should handle it like a gentleman: She knows that I was not always faithful in previous relationships, and she fears that I could cheat on her. I let her know, that other women like me, but I avoif giving details. Also, when I take “side dishes” (which became less frequent since we cohabitate), I always do it in a way that she never finds out and generally avoid long-term mistresses, since almost no woman tolerates being a mistress on the long run. In reality, what my lady really fears, is not that I fuck other woman, but that I could leave her…so she says “she hpes, I don’t have others”, but she is clever enough not to ask concrete questions. If the relationship is balanced (meaing you are her king), reassurance is necessary to prevent her from mental breakdown. It’s a delicate balance between assuring her of your commitment and gaming her like crazy everyday…even after years of practice, I still do mistakes, but realize them immediately in her response. Luckily, I still mostly fall on the side of overgaming, but if combined with some kindness to make it up later, it’s still better than undergaming.

    To cut a long story short: let’s face it, men are not made for monogamy, women are made to make men sexually monogamous. If you are good enough in her eyes, she will accept as a substitute, that you are emotionally monogamous, even when you are not 100% sexually monogamous – but give her no concrete reason to doubt your fidelity. To my experience, just the fact that she knows you are good with women is enough and works wonders in keeping a good relationship, so if you fuck other women (aka “cheat”), dont tell her straight in the face.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 6:48 am kronos1978

      double post, sry !

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  53. on June 8, 2012 at 7:03 am Joost

    Geez, the whole point is to be free of scarcity in fullfilling your needs. The freedom and lack of fear in getting what you want/need is what allows you to be at ease and live like you want to.

    As far as getting pussy goes : it’s the same as the total abstainer and the alcoholic in relation to alcohol. It has power over the lives of both. The only way out is to find the elusive point where it simply is something that takes place in your life and you can have a few beers with friends while sleeping with girls you like.

    Sex isn’t the end-all, even if you’re coming from total scarcity as a frustrated beta or drowning in the pussyjuice as an uber-alpha.

    It’s just awesomely nice and after finding out how to get sufficient of it, it’s time to move on to new pastures and needs to be fulfilled.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 8:24 pm Anonymous

      The brain has reward centers that when activated lead us to want to reactivate them at a later date.

      Are you saying that we should
      1) deaden the pleasure so that we don’t get addicted
      2) infrequently activate the pleasure so that we don’t get addicted
      3) somehow stop being human and get lots of pleasure regularly yet at all times have no desire for another hit of pleasure

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  54. on June 8, 2012 at 9:03 am SouthTX

    Beautiful. My wife knew I lied to the girl I was seeing when I first asked her out. The hamster is strong. I heard your post through Richard Pryor. Reminds me of him saying if your hair is on fire, people try to put you out.

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    • on June 10, 2012 at 8:20 pm SouthTX

      I dont blame her knowing her nature. End of the day. She wants the best kids. I do to.

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  55. on June 8, 2012 at 9:19 am SouthTX

    My opinion for what little it is worth. Choose wisely. Thank God I did, by Grace. I did. After having an all air bags car crash requiring surgery and PT. Long term good wife took care of everything. It affected her emotionally more than me. I’m back 100%. But her nurturing side bought her a “wall pass”.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 9:36 am Laguna Beach Fogey

      x [-b + – √(b^2 – 4ac)] / 2a = lol

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  56. on June 8, 2012 at 9:28 am moses

    “He has seen vistas he cannot unsee.”

    So true.

    I’ve feel in my bones that I’ve traded the possibility of relationship bliss for the knowledge of the red pill.

    I wouldn’t have it any other way though.

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  57. on June 8, 2012 at 9:34 am SouthTX

    Wall Pass should be trademarked. Girls, take care of it early. Be a good wife. A smart guy gives it.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 9:40 am Laguna Beach Fogey

      Yes.

      “Wall pass”.

      Pure genius.

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  58. on June 8, 2012 at 9:42 am SouthTX

    Got to give Heartiste my respect. I have different worldview. Hope he finds the real endgame. But knowledge gained has led to a happier Marriage.

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  59. on June 8, 2012 at 10:08 am moses

    Btw I went out with my father and his wife last night.

    My dad is a massive beta who got lucky with a quality, beautiful woman who was divorced, pushing 40 and looking for a safe harbour. He has ultimate one-itis (he recited “How do I love thee?” from memory at dinner until I stopped him). Not only does his wife have good character, but she knows she has a good thing going and treats him like gold. They’ve been together 20 years now.

    Both admonished me to “keep looking” because I would “just know” when I find “the one.” I wanted to puke. If only they’d seen what I’ve seen.

    I have seen vistas I cannot unsee.

    No way to explain that.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 2:23 pm Jason

      I’ve seen some of those vistas too … and yet meeting “the one” left me reeling. There’s truth in your father’s words.

      You can have it both ways … just not at the same time.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 2:45 pm Tyrone

      Its funny how that works. The night I met my wife, we were entranced with one another and the waiter had to wave his hand in front of us to get our attention. I knew that same night I would likely marry her. True love makes all the cheesey love song cliches come true.

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  60. on June 8, 2012 at 11:10 am Anonymous

    The screed of a hopeless narcissist.. woe is me cause I chase tail and whack off to my prior fuck-n-chucks. Because you can’t write that, you wrap it in literature grad student bloviation.

    [heartiste: you sound like a cunt. dollars to donuts you are a cunt in real life.]

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 1:25 pm chi-town

      Anon, you seem to patronize burger joints where it suffices to say in the remarks on the menu, “Includes chili and cheese.”. As measured by the fullness of your stomach, the memory of the coarsely chewed lump fades.

      Some people really have a taste for it and a beautiful woman is like another’s Peterus.

      “The dark plum/ruby-tinged 2004 Petrus possesses high acidity as well as copious amounts of sweet cherries and black currants intermixed with hints of cola, earth, and truffles. Deep, medium-bodied, concentrated, ripe flavors are excruciatingly firm and tannic. This backward, structured, muscular Pomerol requires a decade of cellaring, but it possesses the potential to be the longest lived wine of the vintage, lasting 30-40 years. Anticipated maturity: 2017-2035.”

      Seems to have made an impression.

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  61. on June 8, 2012 at 12:00 pm Neecy

    What is this i say! Shakespear?

    Just stoppin by to say Hi heartiste!!!! hi firepower!!!

    And uh – where’s Maya…….

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  62. on June 8, 2012 at 1:30 pm a girl

    this is a lovely and touching post.

    for precisely the reasons explained in this post, a marriage is different from a long term relationship, especially for those with options. marriage makes some options not so legitimate in one’s mind so they are not considered on a flip of a dime. simply knowing there are options can slow things down. it is easier to have some options closed down for us. it is quite different in a long term relationship where most options remain open so every glitch in the primary relationship is a test of will. for most of us mortals, will is there more to be admired than to be tested.

    i am not saying marriage is better. but with a decent partner, marriage does seem to leave one with morepeace of mind. i have never been in a marriage so this could be entirely what an outsider sees looking in.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 1:52 pm Neecy

      am not saying marriage is better. but with a decent partner, marriage does seem to leave one with morepeace of mind.

      Yes, b/c in marriage there are tangible prices to pay for infidelity on the part of the cheater if it results in a divorce. In a LTR there are really no legal boundaries for cheating. Also, it’s a lot harder for a person to simply walk away from a marriage for stupid reasons as opposed to a LTR. Yeah yeah i know someone will post that women initiate most divorces, but even still it can get very messy and there’s a lot to be lost on both sides – especially if there are kids involved and if she is past prime years. So I would agree marriage offers more peace of mind simply b/c there is a lot more at stake if someone chooses to walk.

      This is why it is always in the nest interest of younger women seeking children and long term stable relationships to not settle on just a LTR and to pursue marriage or get out – especially if she wants children.

      LTR’s (IMO) are for older people or women past prime who may be out of child bearing ages or who have the mindset of just finding a decent well balanced human being to spend time with, travel with etc. If he walks out or cheats she hasn’t really lost anything b/c she didn’t have his children and she wasn’t entangled in a marriage (or hoping for either) and he didn’t “suck up” the best years of her life since she is already past prime years.

      I would never recommend a young woman in child bearing ages to settle for a LTR unless she doesn’t want children and is willing to risk that a man can walk away from the relationship at any given time for any given reason. I find in these stuations where young attractive women find themselves sin LTR’s eventually find themselves hitting past prime years and the guy leaves with no strings attached.

      IOW’s some men will “suck up” the youth of women with no intentions on marrying or procreating and then these women are left desperate and searching for someone to settle down and marry her. Marriage protects young child bearing women. LTR’s protect men – especially those of the player variety.

      Also, a man who is willing to marry a woman will do so fairly quickly and won’t drag it out. Any man talking LTR is a man really looking out for his best sexual interests which usually involve as the host so eloquently put it “ VULVA VARIETY”. LOL If you are a young woman in childbearing ages who wants marriage and children, AVOID LTR’s at all costs. You have two choices – You are either dating a guy who wants to eventually commit to marriage or you are just hooking up. At least that is the way I see it these days.

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    • on June 8, 2012 at 4:52 pm Kay

      If only there was a god before which the bond between a man and a woman could be sealed.

      A respected tribal/clan elder would work as well.

      Without either, we are stuck with the state.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 4:56 pm gunslingergregi

        There is a god on earth who can make the bond sealed in blood by his will his name is man.

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      • on June 8, 2012 at 5:03 pm That Guy

        @Kay,

        Any marriage, whether with ceremony or not, is still an agreement between 2 people, and it beholds a guy to choose wisely, and then train his girl appropriately, that’s what creates the glue that keeps a relationship strong.

        Take myself for instance. Wifey was at a conference all week on the West coast, so flies in her mother to make sure I have a home cooked meal waiting for me every evening…

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      • on June 9, 2012 at 9:58 pm David Collard

        Good stuff, That Guy. My mother-in-law used to cook for me when my wife was in hospital giving birth.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 8:52 am Mr. Pointyface

        I sucked the youth out of a woman , thoughtlessly and inconsiderately; and I will always regret it. She will be childless.

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  63. on June 8, 2012 at 3:09 pm Big Bang

    Heartiste’s advice is priceless. You can use it to become a permanent gamer or use it to score the best mate you can get and own her.

    Personally I can’t see game being a permanent solution. Being a player is great for some. But being married means that I can get laid by a hot chick (my wife) any minute I want. And I want it a lot. I don’t care how tight your game is, or how much of a natural you are, for 99% of non married men you are going to have to work all night in some loud club to get laid. Some nights you give 120% effort to get the HB10 and you strike out and go home with no pussy.

    Sorry but I’ve got shit to do in the morning. I wanna get laid, be done with it and get some sleep.

    And when I come home after conquering the world, I have a built in cheering squad. My wife is happy for me. She’s happy for herself too. After all she’s got some skin riding on my success. I don’t care what you say. No HB-10 that I score with is gonna give a rats ass about my success. She only cares about what’s in it for her.

    You may say my wife does not care about this in an altruistic sense. She may only care because if I get ahead because then she gets ahead. That’s close enough for me.

    I broke both of my elbows in a motocross mishap. My wife had to wipe my ass every day for a month. Good luck getting your barfly HB10 to do that.

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    • on June 13, 2012 at 1:32 am David Collard

      Getting her to screw for you is the easy part. Getting her to cook your meals and do your laundry as well takes real skill.

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  64. on June 8, 2012 at 4:19 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””’He is not a disbeliever in everlasting monogamous love, quite the contrary; but his eternal search for it has corrupted the destination. Each step of his journey lands like the heavy stamp of slash and burn machinery, decloaking the mystery of the source at the mouth of the tributary. He is as certain to destroy underfoot the elixir of redemption as he is to finally catch it, leached of its nutrients.

    Ironically, the man (or woman) best situated to find divine love is the one whose efforts aren’t excessively profitable.””””””””””””””””’

    divine love is not possible with current wording we use you have to take yourself and thoughts completely out of the matrix and think for yourself and make a choice to have divine love. Instead of till death do us part. You make a choice to love forever and enforce that choice with your will. That easy to take it to divine level and takes a lot of pressure off. Descisions made nothing to worry about in that respect. Love in this life and the next. The till death do us part is a load of shit for people who supposedly beloieve in an afterlife.

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  65. on June 8, 2012 at 4:23 pm gunslingergregi

    if you look at the lies there are grains of truth.
    Just like the diamonds are forever meme we have went over before even though they burn in a fire and in fact don’t last forever just like the marriage is not forever even in the vows it is till death do us part so the married couple would not want each other included in there version of what heaven would have? I want my wife with me for eternity and i tell her that she likes it and it adds another level i don’t just want her body i want her soul.
    So yea thats i wants thats what i gets.

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  66. on June 8, 2012 at 4:44 pm Kay

    Reminds me of the story posted a while back…the one where the man is eyeing the girl at the bar yet remembers the girl at home who took care of him while he was sick.

    I think I’m in the minority, but I love the short stories. Please do another one soon.

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  67. on June 8, 2012 at 8:45 pm Team-Red

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  68. on June 9, 2012 at 5:20 am SouthTX

    Good rule of thumb. If she is occaisonally hormonal. Ignore it and her. She will apologize later. Every time. Secret for married game. At a point SMV flips over. She is smart enough to know it. I usually avoid getting myself in to situations where I am tempted. I do it for the kids and her.

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  69. on June 9, 2012 at 9:37 pm beta_plus

    Stumbled into this on youtube – seemed appropriate

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  70. on June 9, 2012 at 10:03 pm David Collard

    The Damnation of Byron by AD Hope:

    http://www.poetrylibrary.edu.au/poets/hope-a-d/the-damnation-of-byron-0418041

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  71. on June 9, 2012 at 11:06 pm SouthTX

    Glad to have learned game 20 years into marraige. The Boys seem to be naturals. With solid proof. Game means no more shit tests. I’m old enough not to capatilze on it. I have my Beliefs. A win-win for all parties involved.

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  72. on June 10, 2012 at 5:01 am SouthTX

    I thank game for helping me understand the female mind. I have a 10 yr daughter. She has gorillas for brothers. They’re easy. Their motivation is easy to understand.

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    • on June 10, 2012 at 5:36 am David Collard

      SouthTX, a modicum of game has helped me with my 18 y.o. daughter. She has a good bf, but still listens to me. All women respond well to a firm hand.

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      • on June 10, 2012 at 7:40 pm SouthTX

        Daughters are the best winners at game. Dad has it, Mom isn’t too crazy. Brother’s have it. She is teased but develops mental defenses. Old school Patriarchy worked for a reason.

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  73. on June 11, 2012 at 7:15 pm Gainsbourg69

    I’m in my mid thirties and have checked off every box in my sexual fantasies wish list and then some. I lost my virginity to a hot older neighbor when I was sixteen, bedded my gorgeous English teacher during my senior year, dated some of the best looking girls at college, have been in threesomes, have had affairs with an array of married women, etc. In short, I’ve always had the ability to fulfill every sexual impulse I’ve ever had. However, there comes a time when exercising this super power becomes as boring and mundane as eating the same food every evening.

    Personally, once I knew I could have pretty much any woman I set my sights on, and I had all the validation that comes with that, I changed and my tastes changed as well. Now, instead of looking to hook up with every hot piece of ass I encounter, I am more discerning and the quality of women in my life has improved dramatically. In fact, I’m dating a woman who is eight years younger than me and I’m starting to think that she could be the mother of my kids.

    If there exists such a thing as the curse of the player, I think it affects men who haven’t grown out of that phase in their lives where validation through female attention is more important than intimacy, good sex, romance and all that good stuff. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with living a lifestyle full of sexual choice, but let’s be honest. If you’re still getting off to the same experiences you had when you were in your twenties, then you’re doing it wrong.

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  74. on June 12, 2012 at 8:59 am blueredcat@gmail.com

    “Bound to his lover by, in turns, conscience, social opprobrium, and legal sanction, the streams of waiting conquests slipping past like rivulets of glimmering intimacies, taunting his parched loin loosely moored to the ballast of loyalty, is the torture of a lifetime of short-circuited ejaculations.”

    Man o man this prose is beautiful.

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  75. on June 13, 2012 at 2:18 pm Jack

    [quote]Test.[/quote]

    Test.

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    • on June 13, 2012 at 2:18 pm Jack

      italic

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  76. on June 15, 2012 at 3:07 am Discussion on Game « Free Northerner

    […] Right now I plan on being a patriarch, not a player, so I am looking for a wife, and do not want to ruin that prospect with the player’s curse. […]

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  77. on July 6, 2012 at 2:02 pm Tinderbox

    This was good. As I get older, I find myself less interested in getting involved in serious relationships, not more interested. It’s just not worth the hassle.

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