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Omega Male Hall Of Shame: What Women Mean By Creepy

June 11, 2012 by CH

A reader forwarded this email as an example of what not to say to a girl whom you “admire from afar”.

I’ve attached an email sent to one of my co-workers from a former co-worker who had the reputation of being ‘creepy’ towards most of the women in my office.

Anyway, I thought you’d get a kick out of this tripe.

****

Fw: U light up a room.

Hey – sorry if you catch me starring at you from time to time. I bet that it’s probably uncomfortable. You are very beautiful and continue to evolutionize your look at times so drastically that it;s intriguing. It also reveals the many levels, the rainbow of emotions within you. Most people have a collage of personalities that make them up into an individual, but struggle in finding a good, fun, kind balance between them. You are bless to be able to have such a capacity to be you and enjoy it. You are special. I have been around for a minute now (38 years) and seen and been in many adverse and awesome situations. Through it all I have met many people and few ( a handful)  have I ever felt like expressing what my spirit tells me to remind you of.

Today you look so Q, you can easily be thought off as a 23 year old. No harm intended in my comments young lady – it’s just that you light up a room. I also choose to e-mail you, rather than verbally tell you because I truly do not wish to make you uncomfortable, and if I do [name redacted] –  all you have to do is let me know and I will never comment again.

Anyhoo – you place a smile in my heart and I am just trying to place a smile in your face. There are folks with toxic attitudes around us at times do not get contaminated by them – instead – edify them.

:0)

Chao!

****

That’s one ugly mess. I nominate this yearning missive for inclusion into the Omega/Beta Hall of Shame. It’s a sterling representative of the genre.

A brief analysis of the points in the email at which the writer crossed the creep threshold are in order. Sometimes, it helps to spell these things out for the short bus contingent.

U light up a room.

Poetically flattering a woman you have not had one date with is like getting LOW VALUE MALE tattooed on your forehead. Because that’s how (modern) women are going to perceive your gallant efforts at a love connection.

“Hi, Jenny! You look really pretty.”

“Hi, Low Value Male! I can deduce by your forehead tattoo that your compliment is expected and honorably consistent with your low ranking on the male totem pole.”

“So you’re saying I have a chance?”

“Turn that LMV into an HMV, and we’ll talk!”

Also, there’s a beta and an alpha way to ignore punctuation. If your first word in an email is “U”, you’re starting off on the wrong foot. Generally, aloof alpha punctuation — where periods and capital letters are dropped in favor of mysterious cut-off sentences — is best reserved for text messages. Doing the same in email risks making you look like a remedial class teenager.

Hey – 

If he had begun his email with this, and ended it with this, he would have been on much firmer ground.

sorry if you catch me starring at you from time to time.

If you’re a desperate omega, the last thing you want to do is draw attention to your stalkerish omegatude. (This email is so bad, it better qualifies as the effortlust of an omega male than the tentative mincing of a beta.)

I bet that it’s probably uncomfortable.

A cool, funny chick would write back, “You bet correctly, sir!”

You are very beautiful and continue to evolutionize your look at times so drastically that it;s intriguing.

Great example of a mediocrity straining to sound smoother and smarter than he is. Paging Oswald Bates…

It also reveals the many levels, the rainbow of emotions within you.

You know when girls are down for this “I can appreciate all your levels” bullshit? When they have already been fucked by you at least 150 times. If you’re trying to make an impression on a girl by implying that you’re different than all the other guys who can’t see the real person inside of her, the time to do that is when it actually means something; like when it’s one year into a relationship and she’s still struggling to get you to agree on exclusivity. Also, no man should ever use the word “rainbow”, unless it’s to ridicule another man using the word “rainbow”. In today’s rapidly degenerating culture, the word too easily conjures scenes of bronies mutually fellating each other in a giant ponyjerk. With velvety plush headgear on.

You are bless to be able to have such a capacity to be you and enjoy it.

This is anti-game. He’s basically excused her from the burden of treating him kindly, let alone as a sexual prospect.

You are special.

When you’re in a hole, the first thing you do is stop digging. This guy’s gunning for China.

I have been around for a minute now (38 years) and seen and been in many adverse and awesome situations.

Worst DHV ever.

Through it all I have met many people and few ( a handful)  have I ever felt like expressing what my spirit tells me to remind you of.

What’s going through the girl’s head when she reads this: “He feels inspired to pour his heart out to me because he gets a chub every time he sees me over the cubicle walls?”

Well, that’s not actually what goes through her head. It’s more like this: “Creep, creep, creeper, creep. Ew.” Which amounts to saying the same thing as above.

No harm intended in my comments young lady – 

If you’re an older man hitting on a younger woman, the LAST thing you want to call her is “young lady”. Epic omega fail. And if you truly intend no harm, the last thing you want to say is that you intend no harm. There’s that rule in advertising that simply mentioning a negative is enough to plant it in a customer’s head and associate it with your product/personhood.

I also choose to e-mail you, rather than verbally tell you because I truly do not wish to make you uncomfortable

A seduction without discomfort is called idle chit chat. All seductions must contain a stirring of discomfort. Otherwise, every lame omega and beta male with sensitivity to spare and teardrops on command will be able to swoop femme fatales with ease.

all you have to do is let me know and I will never comment again.

Attainably attractive girls who have experience dealing with the fumbling come-ons of betas know this isn’t true. The minute a loser says he will “never comment/call/write again”, the girl knows he will do just that. Which is why girls will rarely reply to these sorts of queries; it only encourages the loser. (I once knew of a total omega male in high school who got a rejection message delivered personally from the girl friend of a girl he had a crush on for two years. The sad sack proceeded to pursue the girl for two more years, hoping to get a clarification.)

Anyhoo – 

Nerd alert.

you place a smile in my heart and I am just trying to place a smile in your face.

Let’s run this line through the Alpha Reformulator (a device which alters dorky beta droolings into coolbreeze alpha charmbullets): “my heart was smiling thinking about you until you microwaved that noxious curry lunch. thanks for killing the romance i was about to lay down on your day.”

There are folks with toxic attitudes around us

aka jerks who always take the girls.

at times do not get contaminated by them – instead – edify them.

What happens when a dumbass tries for profound and winds up writing gibberish.

:0)

No emoticons! What’s an emoticon doing in this email when I told you no EMOTICONS EVER!

and, oh dear lord, he added the o-nose. I bet he thinks women fart anime characters.

Chao!

You know what would’ve been funny? And less beta? If he had signed off deliberately misspelling “ciao” as “chow”. Unfortunately, his stupidity is of the unintentional variety.

Well, I hope that expedition through the thickets of the omega male psychological landscape was as painful for you as it was for me. Lessons learned:

1. Guys like this make it easy for guys with game.

2. There are shadowy realms beyond which even my considerable powers of instruction cannot penetrate. Introducing a lost cause like this dude to game will only provoke a defensive reaction and further turtling into his self-perpetuating misery. I think we all know a few guys who fall into that category.

I imagine every female reader who read that email had the word “creep” flash through her head. It’s a catch-all term that women generally use to describe men who exhibit the characteristics, mannerisms, self-negating attitude and social retardation that typically accompany involuntary celibacy and a lack of facility navigating the psychological peculiarities of women. Men need not necessarily be intrinsically low value to get slapped with the creep label; a man who could get lots of attention from women, but who evinces the attitude of the needy creep (much to the chagrin of the women who win an audience with him), is thrown into the same untouchables pile as our forlorn emailer inducted into the Chateau Hall of Beta Shame.

In short, “creeper” = “needy beta”. The slang may change, but the nature stays the same.

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  1. on June 11, 2012 at 4:38 pm peckerwood

    oh. wow. The train wreck is spectacular and pitiable. However, it begs the question, how does close the deal on the office hottie?

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 6:27 pm Firepower

      How how does [this] close the deal on the office hottie?
      Simple.

      Tomorrow, Ten Billion Beta Dregs finally Awaken to the Social Pressure that Game has exerted against them in yet another Beta Shaming Romp – to emerge from mantit-neckbeard cocoons as Beautiful Buff Butterflies all running Perfect Tom Brady Game.

      No questions.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:08 pm peckerwood

        well, yeah, there’s a far field between dweebly omega oneitis and Tom Brady game.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:09 am Firepower

        You have potential – you SEE, where others merely look.
        All you need is one easy to attend Seminar
        and low-cost payment plan

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 9:27 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 1:26 am DirkJohanson

        when are you gonna start selling those thongs?

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 12:57 pm Fer

        Best GBFM comment in a long time.
        <>

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 9:29 pm yareallypua

      Don’t shit where you eat, unless you don’t care about your job. There are girls outside of your office that are just as amazing and perfect as Janice in Accounting lol

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 11:21 pm mjay

        Keep it out of the workplace – exactly!

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 11:52 pm Backdoor Man

        I learned this the hard way. Many workplaces have become a PC shitholes. The powers that be will crucify you if somebody, even the most ridiculous underling, wants you crucified for some imagined infraction of personal decorum. Watch yourself.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 12:38 am Twist of Cain

        Bars/clubs can be the exception. I’m a 25 yr old bouncer fucking the 19yr old blonde bartender. I work there weekends so it’s not as if I’m fucking my fortune 500 away.

        She’s crazy about me, and isn’t a Paris Hilton cum nugget, so life is swell.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 12:01 pm Money

        how can she be 19 if she’s tending bar? if you’re not old enough to drink, you’re not supposed to be around booze.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 12:22 pm L

        I don’t know where he’s at. Assuming the states, you can absolutely bartend at the age of 18. I did it.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 1:31 pm Spiralina

        It depends on the state. And the “don’t shit where you eat” rule doesn’t apply in the food/drink service industry, where everyone tends to share the same drama, alcohol, cocaine, chlamydia and herpes in one big grotesque mess.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm Twist of Cain

        I’m in Kanhada

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  2. on June 11, 2012 at 4:40 pm theprivateman

    Holy shit, I wrote a letter like this back in high school. Hilarity did not ensue. Rejection, frustration, and depression did result. The young men of today are truly blessed to have the Manosphere and blogs like this. If only the Red Pill wasn’t such bitter medicine.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 1:31 am corvinus

      Been there too, except not as cloying. Even so… *shudder*

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 5:04 am Hans

        Using double asterisks to show action is akin to using emotes. Don’t.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 1:00 pm corvinus

        I stand corrected, sir.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 5:00 am Paladin

      Me too… it’s staggering how many men didn’t know that their cases were not “unique” or “due to their own faults” or “choosing the wrong women” until the internet allowed the manosphere to flourish.

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    • on June 13, 2012 at 10:43 am Lad

      In High School, a letter like this is naive, starry-eyed beta.

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  3. on June 11, 2012 at 4:44 pm FFY

    These are the kinds of guys that get hit with harassment charges and start virgin omega blogs.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 4:56 pm Bronan the Barbarian!

      Queue up the “Sexual Harassment Panda” song and add this email to the Bad Game Hall of Fame.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 5:45 pm Ulysses

      “Why due girls report me to HR every time I drop a heartfelt compliment on them. 😦 It’s a conspiracy!!!!?!”

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 6:10 pm FFY

        “Reform sexual harassment laws! I should be able to this to any girl I want!”

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 3:45 am Anonymous

        Let’s be careful not to imply that PUAs should laugh at these sick laws. They were meant to stop the older boss from abandoning his wife for the young secretary, not to deal with lovelorn omegas. As such they are dangerous and Ron Paul is the only politician who has been openly willing to say they are all nonsense and that, addition, there are no “women’s rights”.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 12:04 pm Money

        no, they were to keep bosses from saying suck my dick or you’re fired. Bosses dumping wives for hot office pussy has nothing to do with sexual harassment. moreover, it’ll always be legal.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 8:25 pm SFG

      Exactly! Women want to be free from the advances of beta males. If the dude had been an alpha with uncommonly bad email game, she might just write it off.

      Feminism created the sexual harassment lawsuit as a weapon against sexual extortion, and normal women, who are as immoral as men, used it as a weapon against annoying beta males. Unintended consequences, as conservatives say. Though I have my doubts they were all that unintended.

      Wir mussen die Feministen ausrotten!

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 9:15 pm Ed the Department Head

        Sexual Harassment laws should be overturned. I would not have any problem with real sexual extortion being legal again either. I feel total sympathy for these poor omegas and betas and not their female oppressors.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 11:12 am Firepower

      FFY

      These are the kinds of guys that get hit with harassment charges and start virgin omega blogs.

      Nope.
      These ARE the guys that start kj’ing in pua forums
      Ruin them ala MMF, TAF and SLF
      Come here to ruin chateaus
      THEN start their own…
      PUA blogs

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 11:48 am doug1111

      Yeah. This one was so bad it’s hardly worth analyzing. Stilted, bad grammar, supplicating, DLVing all over the place, etc. Also just being too chicken to start off by just talking to her is omega as well.

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  4. on June 11, 2012 at 4:50 pm maurice

    What happened to the “Beta of the Month” contests? Those were amusing.

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  5. on June 11, 2012 at 4:59 pm IHTG

    This guy sounds autistic. “You are bless to be able to have such a capacity to be you and enjoy it?” That’s Chris-Chan calibre material.

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  6. on June 11, 2012 at 5:06 pm The Chosen One

    I rote tis. she blue me n teh male room. i moneyshot rainbowz.

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  7. on June 11, 2012 at 5:08 pm Nine Furies

    HAaha I love it! You really have to appreciate these guys for what they are.

    Ive opened several women by making fun of guys like this directly following their failed attempt at talking to her. If you have just a smidgeon of game you are a true fucking hero when you rescue the poor broad who just had to endure such an akward mess. I think it really helps the chicks emotional state too, thus immediate rapport in alot of cases.

    Try imagining for a sec what it feels like to be an attractive chick that constantly against her own will is forced to listen to these tards? Just thinking about it makes me feel ugh. So basically you take that situation and then righteously clown the whole thing with the chick. Instant attraction because the contrast is so large.

    On another note

    “Men need not necessarily be intrinsically low value to get slapped with the creep label; a man who could get lots of attention from women, but who evinces the attitude of the needy creep ”

    Agreed. The more direct you go the less needy you should be. Im trying to think if theres ever a time any form of neediness wouldnt be percieved as creepy. Cant really think of a damn thing.

    Maybe the lustful neediness to penetrate her deeply on the spot and the cajones to do it.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 6:34 pm Days of Broken Arrows

      Ive opened several women by making fun of guys like this directly following their failed attempt at talking to her.

      You’re playing with fire here. You don’t even want to reference guys like this, lest you begin to seem Omega by Association. I knew a guy like this in high school. He sometimes would flirt with my g/f. I’d just laugh “That’s funny” when she mentioned it and never even spoke about him, fearing I’d get contaminated. Imagine that guys like this are drenched in urine — you even brush by them and you start to smell too.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 8:30 pm Nine Furies

        Point taken. I like to come in with a shit eatin grin and say sumthin like

        “Well that looked painful. Sure glad I dont have a pair of tits.”

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 10:23 pm yareallypua

        “You’re playing with fire here. You don’t even want to reference guys like this, lest you begin to seem Omega by Association.”

        Nah, it works fine. It’s a classic AMOG technique for PUAs. I used it a bunch back when I was first studying AMOG’ing. But The Whammer is right, it’s a super dick move. Some stuff to consider if you DO want to use it:

        1) morally/ethically this is pretty cut-throat and the super Nice Guy who legit means well but just doesn’t have any game doesn’t really need to be tooled with this move. It’s like bullying the retarded kid at school and a cool socially down to earth girl who rejects guys all the time but understands where the Nice Guy is coming from will think you’re a bully (whereas the full-of-herself “who the fuck does that nerd think he is hitting on ME as IF he could get me what a loser type girls will think you’re hilarious and love you right away…note: which attitude the girl has doesn’t necessarily correlate to how hot she is)

        2) I have less moral qualms using the technique on douches lol like the Affliction shirted white guy beefcake who thinks he’s a badass but runs shitty “yo girl you so fiiine!” wiggery game. Or the rich guy who’s buying round after round of drinks for her and her friends and generally being a dick to other guys because he thinks his $ gives him the license to talk down to others, etc. Those guys I’ll mimic their moves to the girl cause I know the girl thinks they’re douches rather than feels legit bad for them.

        3) you don’t even need a Nice Guy to go first to do this. You can just go up and run Nice Guy game totally deadpan but then exaggerate it till its obvious it’s a joke and give her a wink and then drop it and be normal and she’ll enjoy the emotional roller coaster (from anxiety of “oh no one of THESE guys” to “oh whew he was joking lol”). This is fun to do and doesn’t require being mean to any actual guys in the room. You don’t want to do this till you’re intermediate+ in the game tho cause you need to have alpha/cool sub communications down. A nerdy beta guy doing this is just a nerdy beta guy doing what they expect lol

        4) I also don’t mind doing it if a LOT of guys are having a go at a girl. Like if it’s a 2-set sitting and I see guy after guy approach and they shoot them all down I’ll use it there because then I’m not really picking on any one guy, I’m making fun of the embarrassingly bad game my gender has in general.

        5) if you’re really good at calibration and reading her body language you can spot when girls feel bad for the guy or are legitimately creeped out by him and this approach gets then jumping up on you to “save” them because they’re so relieved that someone “gets” what they just went thru. You can even mimic the creeper’s approach while he’s there right in his face if you want but then you’re risking the “stabbed from behind by a jealous creeper” AMOG tactic lol no that doesn’t really happen much but it COULD and really you’d deserve it for being a prick to him right in front of him like that. A cool guy doesn’t need to be a dick.

        6) you can tone it down a lot. These days if I want to go this route (cause it really is an easy open) I’ll be subtle about it. If you break it down the main reason this mimic move works is the girl goes from anxiety/awkwardness/fear/etc (negative emotions) to instantly relieved/thankful/relaxed/grateful/etc (positive emotions) and YOU’RE the catalyst for that switch, thus you get attraction.

        So if I see a girl who’s had a loser type hit on her and I can tell she’s sick of it she’s already in the negative emotion so I can give her a switch to the positive emotions by simply girl-coding with my eyes and raising an eyebrow in the direction of the last guy to leave and just saying “helluva night hey?” and my understanding of what they went thru is all in the eyes and facial expression and tone and the girls can tell and go “omg you have no idea” etc. and I can move on from there or talk social dynamics with them for a bit if I feel like it (and THEN escalating, of course)

        That’s a much less asshole way of doing it. It’s kind of like giving the nod to someone when you’re both watching a crazy person on the subway. You’re saying “I understand exactly what you’re thinking, don’t worry you’re not alone on that lol”

        7) if you’re already with a girl (even if its just for a few minutes) and a guy comes up to hit on her, the dynamics are similar except it’s way more important to be observant of whether she feels bad for the guy or creeped out by him. And you can take those to more extremes (ie – show extra sympathy for the guy if she feels bad or him and be more ruthlessly mocking of the guy if she thinks he’s douchey/creepy).

        Anyway there’s the how/when/why to use this move. The “seem like an omega for even acknowledging they exist” thing is more for a relationship and more for constant attention where you keep harping on it and start to come off insecure as if you actually consider the omega guy competition and since she feels what you feel, if you see him as a threat you have to keep making fun of, then he must BE a threat aka you must be lamer than him.

        So I get what Days is saying, but in cold approach there’s not much risk to this move at all. 🙂 I just wanted to explain the difference (whenever two guys have different results with a technique that means you can break the technique down further to figure out why it works for one guy and not another…this is really the heart of the PUA community).

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 4:35 am Nine Furies

        YaReally I always learn some some good shit reading your input.

        #3 sounds fun. Never really tried that so I think its time.

        “I just wanted to explain the difference (whenever two guys have different results with a technique that means you can break the technique down further to figure out why it works for one guy and not another…this is really the heart of the PUA community).”

        This rings true. Ive done things that go directly against alot of traditional pua “routines” that worked for me just because I believed in what I was doing and my actions were completely congruent. Think i remember hearing tyler durden talk about this in one of his videos where he imitates like a creeper guy sayin sum weird shit about her being snow white and him asking if he can perv out on her lol. He then goes on to say how he could use that as an opener etc. My experience tells me that is fully fucking true.

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 4:05 pm yareallypua

        Number 3 is fun, I’ll still use it in places. Especially on really hot girls who have no idea you’re joking because they’re used to guys actually being like that. It works as sort of a neg on those girls, like “wow you really believed me? Someone’s pretty confident isn’t she lol” and they get embarrassed about looking cocky.

        And ya, like the Snow White thing, I’ll tell guys some of the things I’ve said and they’ll be like “you can’t say that to a girl!!” and I’ll think “no YOU can’t say that to a girl. *I* can.” because even when I’m saying really offensive/retarded things to a girl, I have the internal structure of routines down so the retarded stuff I say, if you look below the surface level words, is actually following a proven consistently successful structure.

        My first post on Heartiste was clarifying BradP’s Horse Girl opener. BradP calls the structure of Horse Girl “The Shocker” and in his course he actually helps guys put together their own Shocker. Because you don’t have to use Horse Girl specifically, you just have to follow the structure of “say something outlandish, clarify, set a role-playing frame where you’re higher value, insert punchline, etc” so his workbook is like “step 1) write down an event that happened in your life where you were the cool kid and someone else was the loser” etc.

        This is also why guys who get into pickup and half-ass it expecting lines and routines to get them laid end up disappointed and become anti-gamers and whine that a girl will discover the “real you” when you run out of lines blah blah Keyboard Jockey bullshit…cause they didn’t go deep enough to understand why the structure of certain popular routines works so when they had to improvise they didn’t know how and embarrassed themselves.

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      • on June 19, 2012 at 4:59 am Nine Furies

        Awesome. I need to check out that HorseGirl thing. Most of my shit comes off the cuff and the advantage is that Im always 100% congruent. I work as a head bouncer at one joint and Ive got it down there so tight Ive literally grabbed girls I just met by the throat, made out with girls in front of their boyfriends, grabbed girls in groups of chodes and led them away to the dancefloor and made out, fingered her. Its just fucking stupid lol. I wouldnt mind having a few solid routines like you mention with that structure. You are basically talking about understanding the principle of the technique rather than the doing of the technique itself.

        Funny how when you understand one art, you can apply some basic principles that aid in your understanding of another.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 9:22 pm The Whammer

      Ive opened several women by making fun of guys like this directly following their failed attempt at talking to her

      You’re an omega pal if you need to denigrate other men in an attempt to get pussy which you never get anyway. I’m an Alpha as was my father and grandfather before me but I would never do anything to criticise those inept men below me. People like you fall into the same category as bullies who have to harass others due to their own inadequacies. And you only make yourself look like a pussy by agreeing or siding with a female. You even sound like a pussy beggar to me. That female’s time is worth no more that the poor omega’s and even the lowest omega is usually doing some job that benefits society even if he’s a garbageman or picks up trash in the park. You never encourage any female to denigrate a man.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 4:36 am Nine Furies

        u so alfa bro!

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 10:59 am Lololblackguy

        I’d agree, there’s no need to throw the omega under the bus, he’s not competition anyways. He’s probably better just ignored, women will still be happy if you politely blow him out, in example he’s fumbling with his conversation with her, you introduce yourself to him, then body block him while talking to the woman instead with a socially acceptable exit where you know the woman will day yes to just about anything to get out of the uncomfortable sitaution.

        It’s possible to smog him using indirect game if you framed it as “wow, I can’t believe he was hitting on you” negging the girl(implying he’s high value and she is not)

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:27 am Devis

        That’s pretty beta pal. Fucking over your fellow man over some piece of arse is not how you do it. Get some class, you bottom feeding troll.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 1:06 pm Nine Furies

        You guys sound like a bunch of whiny bitches. STFU. If you get butthurt that easily then being successful at seducing women isnt for you.

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 4:11 pm yareallypua

        lol to all of this. I agree that it’s not the best thing for your karma and general self-development as a cool charismatic guy to be stomping on lesser men, but at the same time Nightclub game can be pretty cut-throat, especially when you’re going for the turbo hotties where you can’t possibly avoid male competition (every guy in the bar and in her social circles outside the bar thinks he has “dibs” on her and are all chasing her 24/7 mostly with super beta game), so I know there are situations where it’s justifiable.

        Pickup gives you the knife, you decide if you’re going to make a sandwich with it or stab someone lol

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 8:41 pm Steve

      “I’ve opened several women by making fun of guys like this directly following their failed attempt at talking to her.”

      This is a bunch of garbage. If you want to be an alpha you should bolster omega’s. You earn a lot more value this way as women recognize your leadership role. I often take the shy omega of the group and force him into an interaction/escalation with a female. I earn massive value this way. Being a hero gets the HB.

      [heartiste: the sad fact of life is that being the cocky douchebag who shits all over weaker men also gets the girl.]

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 9:45 pm Nine Furies

        You’re an idiot. Being “alpha” is not a moral designation so quit trying to attatch some moral quality to a term that simply describes socio-sexual hierarchy. Its like all these guys have thier own definition of what alpha means and usually that is something that conforms to their delusional views of themselves,

        In case you havent noticed chief, your definition of “alpha” isnt at all shared by our host. So tired of hearing people use these terms to describe their personal ideals.

        “Im alfa bro!…..your omega cuz ur not a good guy hero!”

        “Im alfa cuz my dad layed bricks ( or sum other gay shit), your beta cuz u take advantage of other people! You betaish beta bitch boy omg u makemesomad!”

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  8. on June 11, 2012 at 5:09 pm Dan Fletcher

    In reply to tweet “Nancyboy beta SWPL is flummoxed by realtalking alpha.”:

    That video could have a post of its own somewhere.

    You can see the indoctrinated reflexes in action as the reporter instinctively tries to shame him. The reported is caught completely off guard by the deviation from the pre-approved PC talking-points. Unprepared from having never once had his sterilized PC beliefs questioned, the reporter desperately tries to corral the man back into the multi-cult barnyard.

    Beta beyotch reporter: “Is there anything *squeeek* wrong with what you’re saying?”

    What a fucking cunt.

    Alpha of the fucking week.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 5:40 pm Jack

      Where is this video. Please. Must see.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 5:46 pm Dan Fletcher

      http://www.wivb.com/dpp/search/full-interview-with-buffalo-resident

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 5:51 pm Jack

        Thank you. I instantly liked the interviewee. Regular dude delivering it straight, without emotion or equivocation. Also, I bet he’s a standup homeowner and if he has kids, a good father.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 6:01 pm anon

        Listened to the follow up interview with the local yuck yuck, morning crew…don’t you whites know that whites can bring down property values too? huh? Bet you didn’t consider that and not all black people are bad, some can become president of the united states!

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 6:14 pm Dan Fletcher

        Crude strawmen.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 4:08 pm Greg Eliot

        The ever-popular, ever-inane, ever-enervating NAxALT gambit.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 12:17 am Greg Eliot

        I’ll take the odds on property values in a white neighborhood, thank you very much.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 12:27 pm L

        Detroit is a fine city, wouldn’t you say? 80% black and thriving!

        Right?

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 12:15 am Greg Eliot

        It shows you how far this country has sunk when merely saying what everyone already knows (namely, that once a neighborhood turns a given percentage of ‘minority’, it deteriorates) is termed an “extreme race view”.

        I didn’t bother clicking on his subsequent “explains himself” call-in… hope he didn’t totally cave.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 10:31 pm yareallypua

      I don’t agree with his beliefs, but that’s what having a rock solid frame looks like.

      He doesn’t get emotional or angry, he doesn’t apologize when the reporter verbally prances around the bush trying to shame him, he doesn’t give more explanation than he needs to, etc.

      And it makes people with weak frames (the reporter, girls, beta males, etc) react the way the reporter does…flustered and mind-blown.

      Frame control lets you say and do a LOT of things that people wouldn’t think you can get away with. And you can use it for good, like preventing fights or cheering someone up instead of to promote segregation but hey whatever floats your boat.

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  9. on June 11, 2012 at 5:21 pm LS

    That’s omega all the way down.
    Even a beta would get to know someone first before he shit rainbows and skittles.

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  10. on June 11, 2012 at 5:29 pm Blue

    That email is about as revolting as a video of 8 dudes blowing 9 dudes.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 10:59 pm gunslingergregi

      ok wtf

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  11. on June 11, 2012 at 5:39 pm JCclimber

    Wow. In my brief 2 years as a semi-beta (don’t ask, bad spell), I wrote an email almost 25% this bad. To a girl from high school (10 years later, after running into her at a mini-reunion). It was instructive to me how quickly that missive killed her attraction to me, kindled by my alpha behavior face to face.

    The difference here is that I quickly learned the lesson. It is doubtful this schlub can, as the tenor of the email shows massive amounts of cognitive dissonance with observable reality.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 6:22 pm Scott

      I’ve never written anything this bad but I’ve definitely though about writing something this bad. It wouldn’t be as depressing if the guy was 18 instead of 38.

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  12. on June 11, 2012 at 5:40 pm RappaccinisDaughter

    I’ve gotten a couple of notes similar to this, and when it happens, it goes way beyond awkward and pitiable. It can be quite frightening.

    Just play thought experiment for a moment: You’re a female, and that e-mail just found its way to your inbox. You barely know the guy, but he’s just gotten done telling you that he’s been watching you for months. He catalogues your outfits. He assigns emotions to you, and responds to those emotions as if they were genuine. What’s more, he seems to think that it’s fine to tell you all of this, as if your only possible response will be to be pleased. It verges on erotomania, and what’s more, chances approach 100% that he can overpower you physically any time he likes…because the ugly truth of nature is that no matter how much you work out or how many martial-arts classes you take, you’re just never going to have his strength.

    If you know someone who’s gotten an e-mail like this, this may be a situation in which pulling a straight-up white knight routine can actually help you. I know when it happened to me, I didn’t want to be teased, playfully or otherwise, by the man I told about it. I wanted to be walked to my car.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 5:48 pm Jack

      I’m with you. Believe every word you said. I’d be disturbed receiving that from anyone, female or male. And I can only sigh in despair when I see men texting/emailing this kind of shit, or otherwise failing to stand up for themselves in soulless, sexless relationships, marriages, etc.

      Men, please, grow a pair.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 5:59 pm Lara

      Don’t worry, once you turn 30, you’ll never receive another letter like this.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 6:13 pm Retrenched

        Heh.

        Seriously though, no one of any age should ever receive a letter like that, period. An approach is one thing, but this… holy shit is this creepy.

        Stories like this make me glad I’m not a woman.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 9:17 pm Passingby

        I am a guy, and I used to get them from hopeful gals with no chance with me. It is not creepy, it is more like, “…how to let her down easy…?” But then, the gals were hardly any physical threat, so I suppose my reaction is different from a woman’s.

        I also used to have gals hanging outside my house, waiting in their car, to see me when I got home from partying. (Mind you, these were gals I had not even dated.) It is somewhat awkward when they corner you at a social event. Women can get stalkerish too is what I am saying.

        Naturally, they end up hating you for rejecting them. But then, they would hate you even more if you slept with them, so there is no win in such circumstances.

        The best reaction was to act clueless about their advances, give them no positive reinforcement whatsoever, and never let on you are aware they are interested. Then when they realize it is not going to happen, they can convince themselves they did not make a fool of themselves, because you never noticed.

        The frustrating part is the rejected stalker chick insists that all her friends back off and not date you, so her 2-3 friends will respect the bullshit “dibs” the least-attractive one of the group called on you. As if.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 12:54 am David Collard

        Be a little rude. That gets rid of them. Girls you don’t want, I mean.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 6:15 pm That Guy

        @Lara,

        Way to go Lara – keepin’ it real 😉

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 6:53 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        The first one was when I was 32.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 4:14 am Anonymous

        Yes, while Lara made a good point, often the real omegas will pick on women they feel they should be able to get, like those over 30.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 10:06 am Spiralina

        Haha, my grandmother is 80 years old and lives in a retirement community, and she recently had to complain to the staff because an 88-year-old man kept sitting next to her at meals and waiting outside her room even after she politely told him she wasn’t interested in his company. The omega never dies, he just gets older and more desperate.

        [heartiste: heh. the hypergamy never dies, either. it just gets less and less realistic to abide it.]

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      • on June 15, 2012 at 6:17 pm LBK

        Cougar alert!

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 2:11 pm Fred Rotten

        @ Lara…

        That’s some good stuff.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 6:18 pm Neecy

      Oh please stop! It’s not that damn serious! He is simply an uninformed maheir the truth of what women really want. He hasn’t received the memo that women ” really” do not want sweet romantic men who cater to them. That’s it. His heart is in the right place. And while an email like this may be awkward, if he were really a creep he wouldn’t put himself out there like that b/c true creepy guys you don’t know what they are thinking until after they are stalking you.

      This guy is innocently expressing how he feels b/c he really believes this is what women wanna hear.

      Give the damn guy a break!

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 6:25 pm Scott

        I’ve tried to tell my GF something along these lines. The guys girls are usually the most creeped out about are usually the most harmless. The kind of guy who is going to grab you in your sleep, throw you in a freezer, and eat you later isn’t about to send you a letter with his email address on it. Now if it comes pasted from old newspaper letters and it looks like a ransom note, start to worry.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:13 pm Neecy

        Exactly. creepy dudes are not sending sweet nothings in a work email where they could easily be caught and identified if they were truly being stalkers. Guys like this are harmless and think the way to win women over is by showering them with compliments and supplicating to them. If he is guilty of anything, its not realizing that a man should never be to overly supplicating to win a woman over. Also guys like tis should be smarter and avoid sending emails like this in a work setting b/c sexual harrassment charges *COULD* be brought up depending on the woman. Guys have to be very careful.

        The creepy dudes are the ones who stare and never say anything, until after he has your boob in a frying pan.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 8:22 pm Jack

        “until after he has your boob in a frying pan.”

        This cuisine is new to me. Do you recommend soy, tabasco, or worcestershire?

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 8:27 pm SFG

        Fava beans and a nice Chianti, of course!

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 8:31 pm LostSailor

        Depends on the boob. But you can never go wrong with an Asian marinade of soy, sesame oil, and ginger. Though grilling is better than pan frying.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 8:44 pm Neecy

        Salsa. I would say since it would be like a sunny side up egg, and since salsa goes best with eggs. yeah try Salsa. 😀

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 8:48 pm Neecy

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issei_Sagawa

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 9:43 pm Ed the Department Head

        I like tabasco! 🙂

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 2:15 pm Fred Rotten

        “…until after he has your boob in a frying pan.”

        BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Gross!

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 6:32 pm That Guy

        @Neecy,

        The question is, if you feel such sympathy for some dude like this, would you agree to meet him – after getting an email like this – for a date?

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:15 pm Neecy

        No i would not go out with a guy like this. I would however, send a reply saying “thank you for your kind words” and leave it at that. He isn’t being rude, obnoxious, vulgar. From the read, he is just trying to say how much he admires the way this particualr woman carries herself and that she makes his day. that’s it.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:29 pm Maya

        Yeah right. He seems to be obsessed. It’s much better to ignore him completely … Seriously, when you read an e-mail like this, don’t you feel that it’s creepy? You feel that this e-mail is kind and you should thank him for this?

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:09 am Neecy

        Maya,

        I don’t have time for your foolishness. READ my response again. NO I don’t get creepy from a letter like this. You and I see it differently do please refrain from questioning something I’ve already made clear.

        If you see this guy as creepy -FINE! I don’t. End of discussion.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:26 am Neecy

        Maya, I don’t have time for your foolishness. read my responses I think its clear I have stated SEVERAL times i don’t see a guy like this as a threat or creepy. If you or the rest of the female population does – FINE! I don’t. End of discussion!

        And yes, If someone who I work with sends me an email like this, I don’t automatically think “OMG HE’S GONNA KILL ME AND RAPE ME PLEASE SOMEONE WALK ME TO MY CAR AND PROTECT ME FROM THIS POTENTIAL RAPIST! “.

        I would send a reply saying to him “thank you for your kind words” and if he responded or sent anything else or attempted face to face contact that is when I would let him know I have no interest and I would prefer he not contact me again.

        I and other Women get approached or have comments made to them by men all day everyday. I guarantee most of us are not thinking “RAAAAAPE!” maybe women who don’t get approached often would. Who knows….

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 1:36 pm Maya

        Neecy,

        sorry for the comment above. I was reading your blog yesterday and I think you mentioned somewhere that I “have issues” (which I do not have) – and I thought it was ridiculous. Reading your comment above made me think that you’re white knighting to men here again – I simply couldn’t believe that you don’t find the e-mail creepy while even CH feels some sympathy for the woman who received it (and he’s a boy!).
        But again, my comment was very stupid and useless – I think I have some kind of impulse control disorder when writing comments on this blog :S Sorry.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 2:03 pm Neecy

        Ok Maya, i was wrong for saying you had issues and going off on you like that. 😦 Sorry.

        All i am saying is sometimes some women see things differently. i am not “WHITE KNIGHTING” anyone. I don’t White knight men. I simply don’t believe that everything women do is perfect or makes sense and everything men do is bad or ill intentioned. I try to keep a balanced view. I simply don’t see it the way everyone else does – it doesn’t matter to me that heartiste thinks he’s creepy or you or whoever else. i have a mind of my own and my mind says the guy is not creepy.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 4:09 pm jones

        You two are the same person, aren’t you? I love the way you worked your blog in there.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 4:19 am Anonymous

        Good point. He sounds easy to handle and easy to please.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:20 am Lololblackguy

        Lol ive got to agree with neecy, yea he’s not building attraction, but he’s just doing what society told him to do. You might even go out on a limb and say it’s cute, not creepy. Creepy = I’ve been staring at you and want to smell your hair…

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:56 am Neecy

        @ Maya

        Maya, I don’t have time for your foolishness. read my responses I think its clear I have stated SEVERAL times i don’t see a guy like this as a threat or creepy. If you or the rest of the female population does – FINE! I don’t. End of discussion!

        And yes, If someone who I work with sends me an email like this, I don’t automatically think “OMG HE’S GONNA KILL ME AND RAPE ME PLEASE SOMEONE WALK ME TO MY CAR AND PROTECT ME FROM THIS POTENTIAL RAPIST! “.

        I would send a reply saying to him “thank you for your kind words” and if he responded or sent anything else or attempted face to face contact that is when I would let him know I have no interest and I would prefer he not contact me again.

        I and other Women get approached or have comments made to them by men all day everyday. I guarantee most of us are not thinking “RAAAAAPE!” maybe women who don’t get approached often would. Who knows….

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 9:40 pm Ed the Department Head

        Thank you Neecy! This is what I got out of it too. I also blame Hollywood. A LOT of the films of the 1970s and 1980s showed women falling for sweet romantic men. I think this fucked a lot of well meaning guys up a bit. Men have need CH for a long time before he came online!

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 10:17 pm The Whammer

        Really? Which films were those? It’s the Gen X and Y films from the 90’s on that had all of this crap.You boys have been so brainwashed by the media and feminists that you don’t even know it.
        Back in the early 80’s there was a song by Sting called “I’ll Be Watching You”
        No one thought there anything odd about it and just thought it was about some guy obsessed with a female. No one ever used the word stalking or even knew what it meant.
        Today when that same song is performed it’s changed to “I’ll Be Missing You”

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 10:38 pm The Whammer

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 10:57 pm Ed the Department Head

        I remember plenty of films in which teen guys lusted after girls and the girls were basically “nice” girls interested in beta relationships. Even songs like Every Breathe you Take gave the impression that this type of not works with women. I think the media deliberately mislead men. They did it overtly not to offend feminists and covertly to create a messed up population of male omegas and betas.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:54 am Neecy

        Yeah but the difference is most women would boink Sting even if he was showering them with sweet nothings. LOL

        You know. i had a co – worker who pretty much summed up the mindset of most Western women when it comes to men and the ones they will allow to get away with certain things and the ones they won’t. After having a discussion about a man who was basically stalking her, but whom she was attracted to. I, and a couple of the other girls basically said the dude was a stalker. Her reply?

        “Its only stalking if its unwanted”. I won’t lie, I laughed, but thought to myself “wow okay then”. In my eyes a stalker is a stalker. *shrug*

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 4:53 pm Orion

        Uh dude, how old are you? The Sting admitted it was a bit on the stalker side years ago. It is about his ex-wife and how he was obsessed for a time.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 10:08 pm The Whammer

        A few years ago and after a generation of feminist bullshit and pc? And you may want to learn to read carefully because I was comparing the general attitude of people in 1983 when the song was popular to today’s attitude. I’m Sting’s age. So if you’re like under 50 you don’t even have a clue to how people thought and behaved in “83.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 10:41 pm yareallypua

        Neecy’s body language would be a lot more sympathetic to the guy and while Rappu would almost look frozen like a deer in the headlights and be locked-up hoping he goes away, Neecy would be a lot more relaxed and look almost more motherly/sisterly, like “oh you poor thing, I understand but no, good luck though someone will love you one day” like when a kid does something dumb but well intentioned. When the guy leaves she’d give her girlfriend more of an “aww that was sweet poor guy” girl-code.

        So with Neecy you could mimic the guy but when you reveal you’re joking you’d want to then go into some sympathetic stuff about how it’s hard for guys to approach girls and that guy was ballsy even if misguided and you feel bad for him but some guys haven’t learned that bla bla bla.

        So like I say it just comes down to calibration. Neecy would think you were a dick if you legit made fun of the guy, Rappu would feel more relieved the more you made fun of him or acknowledged how creepy he was.

        Thanks for the demo girls lol

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:50 am Neecy

        BINGO! Yes you got me down. LOL I would think a guy was a dick if he made fun of the poor guy. And yes I would take the more sympathetic approach to letting a guy like this down. Now if he continued to conatct me after that, I would start getting firmer in my rejection. But initially – no – I would go soft on him.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 6:20 pm That Guy

      @Rapp,

      Does this happen often to you?

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 6:37 pm Firepower

      RappaccinisDaughter

      I’ve gotten a COUPLE of notes similar to this!

      ok, its understandable for you online to say your a hottie. But where’s all the compash you girls are supposed to exhibit from good upbringings? like all you 10s say “weer just like regulr girls weer sweeeet!” when we all know you think more about your jewelphones. besides, whatsamattayou ought to have like a dozen cousin paulies that could take care of it. you all do. every hot DAP i ever knew had enough to take over a city block.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 6:46 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        I didn’t say I was a hottie. I said I have had the misfortune to attract a couple of honest-to-Dog creeps. The reason why I’m telling you about the experience is so a) you’ll understand just how frightening that can be for a woman, and; b) you’ll know that, if the woman in question is somebody you’d like to know better, this is a really good time to drop the aloof-alpha act and a good time to play the protector-alpha act. This is the one situation in which the white-knight routine is not beta.

        I developed a bit of a crush on the guy who walked me to my car for the next few weeks. It made me see him in a whole new light. Just trying to give you some information you can use.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 6:53 pm Simon Corso

        A crush huh ?

        And where did that lead ?

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:06 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Nowhere. Either he wasn’t interested or he didn’t know how to make the next move. I never knew which. But after a few days, all he would have had to do was ask.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 12:15 pm That Guy

        @Rapp,

        Seems like you didn’t know how to signal to him that you were up for some hanky-panky?!

        If this happens again and you’re tongue tied, just go to his office and ask for help on some silly computer thing, and say you have to sit in his seat and use his mouse to show him what kind of problem you’re having. Then after a few moments of idle chatter, get up and go back to your cube… but leave a “snail trail” on his seat, so he gets the message loud and clear… 😉

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:13 pm Firepower

        Simon Corso

        A crush huh ?

        And where did that lead ?

        Dude, you’re doing this wrong. Follow my lead – read between the lines. Get all tyler durden and shit – not the bald pua, either

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:10 pm Firepower

        RappaccinisDaughter

        I didn’t say I was a hottie. I said I have had the misfortune to attract a couple of honest-to-Dog creeps. The reason why I’m telling you about the experience is so a) you’ll understand just how frightening that can be for a woman

        i agree wholeheartedly. Sexual harassment is a devastating thing. instead of my Iceberg Slim Response [which is essentially the same as what you describe] I’ll let This Classic Work speak for itself:

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:19 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        I remember that sketch. SNL used to be funny. Oh, the nostalgia.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:30 pm Firepower

        that skit’s not funny either. you’ll have to explain it tome

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 8:19 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        No, I don’t have to explain it to you, Firepower. I will, however, provide an additional piece of information: The entire time my white knight was walking me to my car, I had a CCW and a five-shot hammerless .38-cal. S&W Airweight revolver in my purse. I was, and remain, perfectly capable of protecting myself (although I’ve since upgraded to a .45-cal. 1911).

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 9:48 pm The Whammer

        Firepowder identifies with Frank and doesn’t find being a nerd funny.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:21 am Firepower

        RappaccinisDaughter

        No, I don’t have to explain it to you, Firepower. I will, however, provide an additional piece of information: The entire time my white knight was walking me to my car, I had a CCW and a five-shot hammerless .38-cal. S&W Airweight revolver in my purse. I was, and remain, perfectly capable of protecting myself (although I’ve since upgraded to a .45-cal. 1911)

        dude, NO chick carries a hugeass Government Model in her purse – or anywhere. maybe in a mitchrosen pancake.That’s a man’s gun. stick w/ a Seecamp

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:27 am RappaccinisDaughter

        @Firepower: Sure I do. The bad news is that it requires a big fugly purse. The good news is that men don’t notice purses, so who cares if it’s fugly?

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:33 am Firepower

        RappaccinisDaughter

        @Firepower: Sure I do. The bad news is that it requires a big fugly purse. The good news is that men don’t notice purses, so who cares if it’s fugly?

        I like my females dainty, even if they’re willowy 6 footers. they always bitch when they chip their nails on the thumb safety. but, i suppose a girl can get away with a fugly purse if she’s older

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 10:17 pm The Whammer

        Guns are just a penis substitute. The bigger the gun the smaller the cock.

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 9:43 am RappaccinisDaughter

        @Whammer: Yes, you’re right. I carry a big gun because my dick is so small. So very small. Why, it’s barely even visible. In fact, it’s almost like a…oh, wait.
        I’m a woman.

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      • on June 15, 2012 at 9:47 pm LBK

        Oh no, an armed cougar. I support the right to keep and arm bears, but arming cougars is going too far.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 9:51 pm Ed the Department Head

        This is out and out oppression! I wish the omegas and betas would turn collectively misogynist and work actively for the end of our current system.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 10:08 pm The Whammer

        If they had any power they wouldn’t be omegas 🙂

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 11:31 pm Ed the Department Head

        “If they had any power they wouldn’t be omegas :)” I remember Mao said all power comes from the barrel of a shotgun. 🙂

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:23 am Firepower

        Ed the Department Head

        This is out and out oppression! I *wish* the omegas and betas would turn collectively misogynist and work actively for the end of our current system.

        Isn’t it Outrageous? Wishing won’t help omegas…cuz THEY’RE OMEGAS. But, your plan fits with The Spearhead Apprenticeship Program of collective whining for 10 years until you get your Should Card.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 10:09 am Spiralina

        You don’t need to be a hottie to get these kinds of letters. Just have boobs, not be obese or smelly, and be reasonably smiley and friendly to men, and some omega will think he has a shot.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 6:42 pm Wigz

      Funny how she automatically thinks about rape in this situation, nevermind the fact that these White-Knight/Beta-Omega types would never ever in a million years rape them. The more aggressive alpha-male types have much more chances of actually imposing sex on her, but she doesn’t mind that.

      She will gladly take a surprise asscocking session with any alpha male over a brush from that omega’s hand.

      Hamster and hindbrain hard at work here.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 6:51 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Although I freely concede that rape is not the all-purpose bugaboo that the media and our culture have made it out to be, it does exist, and it is rational to fear it. It is a deeply unpleasant experience, regardless of where on the DHV scale the perpetrator falls.

        The omega types are, it’s true, usually harmless. But not all of them. And when they do go supernova, it tends to be in a spectacular fashion.

        In short: My hamster and my hindbrain are giving you the Finger right now.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:08 pm Lara

        Rapists are always omegas, although not all omegas are rapists. It is good to be cautious around them.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:14 pm Firepower

        better to be
        cautious amongst
        – gang tautologists

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:47 pm rocket science

        Rapists are always omegas? Really?

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldridge_Cleaver

        I didn’t know there were no many black omegas out there.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 8:55 pm demetriustinov

        Au contraire, rape is the domain of the alpha male. Boxers like Mike Tyson, the Vikings, invading soldiers, football/rugby/soccer players, and bikie gang members (and gang members, in general) aren’t your typical betas. Yet in all these categories are disproportionately high numbers of rapists. The mild-mannered, soft-speaken rapist isn’t a complete fabrication, but he commits only a tiny portion of rapes. Most rape aren’t stranger rapes but date-rapes and the like. This is where women have gone home with a guy, suddenly worried about their reputation, denied the guy sex, and ended up getting raped. But there is a reason they went home with the guy in the first place.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 9:55 pm Ed the Department Head

        Yeah, I with the other guys on this one. I don’t see most omegas having the raw manliness to consider, let alone pull off, a rape. The omegas I knew back in the day turned pretty beta rather easily if and when they were given an offer from an acceptable female.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 6:46 am Maigo

        Well Mike Tyson (despite the prosecution, lets not debate this here you can find the details online) and most sports stars are falsely accused of rape. It’s more of an attempt to extort money/fame/social status from an alpha because she was naive enough to think he’d hang around after he’d cum.

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      • on June 14, 2012 at 11:37 am nonymous

        Great point.

        “Rape, murder, arson, and rape.”
        “You said rape twice.”
        “I LIKE rape!” –Blazing Saddles

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 10:47 pm Tertullian

        @RappacinisDaughter: I’m calling bullshit on the “.45 cal 1911” you allegedly carry. That sounds a little too try-hard. Besides, nearly all women lack the strength to pull the slide back and chamber a round. Wait, let me guess: you’re the exception….

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 9:33 am RappaccinisDaughter

        @Tertullian: With some of them, yes, I do lack the strength to pull the slide back. This particular one, however, is relatively easy for me. It was just a matter of trying different ones out until I found one that worked for me. And it’s actually not a try-hard, it’s a cop-out. The full-size .45 is actually considerably more pleasant to shoot than the titanium J-frame. Much less felt recoil.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:54 am Tertullian

        @RappacinisDaughter: Right.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 6:55 pm That Guy

        @Wigz,

        Correct.

        When a Beta/Omega insists on sex it’s “rape”, when an Alpha insists on sex it’s “seduction”

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:01 pm GeishaKate

        Did men learn somewhere its supposed to be alpha to reply to someone using third person pronouns?

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:09 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Not here, they didn’t.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 8:54 pm Wigz

        I was addressing the audience of barbarians and cave trolls thirsting for women’s blood, not her.

        Don’t talk about things you don’t understand.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 9:53 pm GeishaKate

        Fine. But only because you used “you.”

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 9:11 pm Tartarus

        Gammy’s getting upset!

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 9:48 pm GeishaKate

        Hahaha! You be nice, whippersnapper, or I will trip you with my cane! 🙂

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 10:36 am Spiralina

        Women ALWAYS automatically think about rape when encountering unknown men. It’s a primal, subliminal split-second risk assessment. Rape is always a strongly unwanted and avoided outcome, even if the man is alpha and otherwise sexually attractive, for several reasons:

        1) The risk of injury, disfigurement, or death is much higher than during normal consensual sex.
        2) Paternity cannot be established. Women exercise the strongest choice in the sexual marketplace and rape disrupts that choice, thus threatening her genetic lineage.
        3) No commitment. This is why a one-night stand, even with an alpha, is not socially valued unless it leads to further commitment. Rape is even more worthless than a ONS because a rapist can’t be relied on for later commitment or even a child support check.
        4) Social shame/loss of virginity/loss of marriage value in some cultures.

        So women will always perform that risk assessment. A “surprise asscocking session from an alpha” isn’t desired by any but the most fucked up women because of the likelihood of resulting in injury, murder, unwanted pregnancy, and no help raising any resulting children. Most of the time rape happens to suddenly to determine whether the man is even alpha or not; that’s what the whole seduction process is designed to assess. This is why most women will abort the fetuses of rapists without second thought.

        The mental hierarchy for most women would probably go like this: Commitment from an alpha > fling with an alpha > commitment from a rich beta > ONS with an alpha > fling with a beta > ONS with a beta > rape by an alpha > rape by a beta > rape by an omega.

        Notice I didn’t mention consensual sex with an omega since most women don’t even consider in within the range of possible outcomes.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 10:59 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Well said, Spiralina.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:19 am Neecy

        Speak for yourself and the women YOU KNOW. I don’t automatically think of RAPE when I encounter strange men! That is absolutely ABSURD! So every man you don’t know personally that you run into on the street is gonna rape you? Or you fear he’s gonna rape you? Get serious.

        YES if a woman is alone in a setting in which a strange man is giving off certain creepy vibes and she is not around others who may step in and/or keep such a creeper from doing anything – YES she may fear for her life or that he may assualt her in some way.

        A woman is more likely to be raped by a MAN SHE KNOWS and not a stranger.

        You guys are blowing this way out of proportion. This dude wrote a damn email in a work setting. If guys like this are truly out to hurt or RAPE some chick they certainly aren’t gonna pour their hearts out in a work email saying how much they admire her. Yes is this guy a dumbass – OF COURSE. A damn potential rapist? Gimme a break.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:31 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Spiralina’s point is that it’s a subconscious survival mechanism, one that deploys automatically. No, I don’t walk around in fear all the time, nor do I automatically suspect every man I meet of being a rapist; that would be psychologically debilitating. That’s why it happens at the hindbrain level.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 12:33 pm Neecy

        I don’t buy it based on the actions of the average Western woman. It seems even if most women have these “subconscious” feelings of being raped by any man, they pick and choose who they will allow to cross the line. And most women will even go as far as to put themselves is shady situations with a man knowing the threat or potential of rape, but she is willing to risk it b/c he’s HOT or she is attracted to him. Yet the poor dorks who wouldn’t kill an ant, are getting labeled “potential rapists” simply b/c the woman is repulsed by them.

        Most of the dorky guys are not even aggressive enough to even give off a vibe of harming her. The more aggressive types that women should fear, are the ones women allow themselves to get into vulnerable situations with b/c they are attracted to the guy in same way (even if she is feeling a little “scared” at the possibility of him harming her).

        These inconsistencies are why women cannot be taken seriously when it comes to rape accusations. We want to pick and choose who we label “potential rapists” and it’s usually the guys who aren’t even aggressive. Women getting raped by some random stranger on the street is much much lower than women who are raped by en they know or strange dudes they were in vulnerable situations with. Women need to be CONSISTENT across the board on their “fears” of rape. Until then, we will always be given the side eye when we accuse someone of such b/c society sees that women often put themselves in vulnerable situations even when the possible threat of rape or sexual assault is present.

        When I look at how much young western women drink and have “hook ups” and one night stands with and around strange men, it I clear to me that most are not subconsciously thinking “rape” b/c if they were they wouldn’t so freely and willingly put themselves in situations where they would MORE LIKELY get raped or sexually assaulted.

        Emails from dorks at work are so far off the rape radar its not even funny. Yet after work these same women fearing for their lives from the dorky guy who sent a heart felt email will go to happy hour and act a HAPPY drunken fool around “hot” guys (she doesn’t even know)who are crossing the sexual line.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 1:01 pm Maya

        “No, I don’t walk around in fear all the time, nor do I automatically suspect every man I meet of being a rapist; that would be psychologically debilitating.”

        I do walk around in fear all the time – that’s why I don’t want to spend time alone with men. I prefer the company of women.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 1:33 pm GeishaKate

        This discusssion reminds me of a time I was travelling from Paris to Luxembourg when I was in college. It was the middle of the night, I was looking for a seat and car after car was filled with boys I can only assume were returning to some sort of prep school after the weekend. There literally was not a female in sight. It was an alarming situation for me at the time. These guys were all taking up two seats since they were trying to sleep, so, finally, realizing I was going to have to sit with someone, I just picked one. He offered to let me listen to his music, I shared my candybar, and everything was fine. lol

        I had other experiences while travelling Europe alone and even in the U.S. or hiking in the woods that could be construed as threatening (it is always there as Rapp says and its just a vibe you pick up on), but so much can be diffused with the attitude Neecy is talking about and the main rule of “keep moving,” which is what makes day/street game challenging, I assume.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 1:52 pm GeishaKate

        @Maya: If you act like prey, you’ll be seen as prey.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 1:59 pm Maya

        Geisha,

        “If you act like prey, you’ll be seen as prey.”

        I know! This was my problem for my whole life but recently I think I’m slowly getting rid of it. ps. – I LOVE to read your comments here on this blog (you’re definitely the most inspiring and positive commenter!)

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 2:12 pm Firepower

        Maya cooed:

        women think about rape when encountering unknown men.

        Only if
        the guy’s
        doing it properly

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 2:43 pm That Guy

        @FP,
        Correct… FTW!

        @Maya,
        One you’ve had your first “Feargasm”, you’ll learn to love and appreciate strange men in dark alleys, following you at night…. MuuaHHHH!

        [heartiste: “horrorgasm”. it’s enough to strike tremor in a woman’s heart-shaped box.]

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 6:26 pm Maya

        there’s no such thing as ‘horrorgasm’

        [heartiste: as per usual you are wrong. there have been studies done which show that women get aroused watching a horror flic with their boyfriends. the tension caused by the fright has a direct connection to the vagina. you really should get out of the house and try to live a little. you’d learn that chicks love the cocka a whole lot after they’ve had a scare.]

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 4:00 am Maya

        i believe you that … maybe they are more in love with their boyfriends because they feel the need to be protected after having a scare. i thought we were talking again about how women want to be raped etc.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 1:12 pm Spiralina

        Neecy…err, great job missing my point entirely and going off on an unrelated tangent. But you do seem to enjoy the sound of your own ranting, so don’t let me get in your way.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 1:48 pm Neecy

        Uh. no. I didn’t miss your point. you made a comment and I addressed part of it that i felt was making a blanket statement about how all women view encounters with unknown men.

        Women ALWAYS automatically think about rape when encountering unknown men. It’s a primal, subliminal split-second risk assessment.

        I addressed this comment alone – No, not *ALL* women think about rape when encountering unknown men.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 1:55 pm Maya

        “No, not *ALL* women think about rape when encountering unknown men.”

        Maybe they do not think about rape but every woman feels fear when she is in a situation like that. It’s a hindbrain response (thinking is a cortical function btw)

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 2:08 pm Neecy

        Fear of what Maya? ok. let’s just agree to disagree. All women are not monolithic and do not share the same fears and emotions or the same levels of it. What may be scarey or threatening to you may not be to the next woman. I reserve my fears for more tell tale situations that really give me reason to fear I could be in danger. An intital pouring of sweet nothings from a guy at work doesn’t trigger a “fear” response in me. So sue me!

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 2:23 pm GeishaKate

        “I reserve my fears for more tell tale situations that really give me reason to fear I could be in danger.”

        Like this? https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/the-tell-tale-slap/

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 2:24 pm Spiralina

        Rappu got my point; you didn’t. You made up a ridiculous straw man and knocked it down long-windedly.

        Risk assessment is an autonomic response ALL mammals undergo when encountering a stranger, and male-female interactions also involve sexual threat assessment. You don’t consciously think “rape”; it occurs in the hindbrain. That you don’t consider men like the email writer to be potential rapists doesn’t disprove my point – it just means you made the same assessment and came to a different conclusion than the woman who received the letter. Women who get drunk with “hot” guys simply decided the enhanced social proof was worth the potential risk of assault. Alcohol also warps the brain’s capacity to make realistic assessments, which is why people do stupid things while drunk. Again, none of your straw men disprove or even accurately address my statement.

        You’re either deliberately distorting my point or you’re just not getting it. Either way…Jesus.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 2:30 pm Spiralina

        And for the record, I didn’t consider the email threatening either. But people tend to respond to threats based on prior experience.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 2:52 pm Neecy

        @ Geisha

        OMG that was a freakin hilarious post! Thanks !!!

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      • on June 14, 2012 at 4:21 pm Obstinance Works

        She never shuts up. It’s obvious she can’t get a real nigga.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 2:05 pm Neecy

        Good points Geisha!!!

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 2:18 pm GeishaKate

        Thanks, ladies:) Enough talk. PILLOWFIGHT!!!

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 2:27 pm Spiralina

        Rappu got my point; you didn’t. You made up a ridiculous straw man and knocked it down long-windedly.

        Risk assessment is an autonomic response ALL mammals undergo when encountering a stranger, and male-female interactions also involve sexual threat assessment. You don’t consciously think “rape”; it occurs in the hindbrain. That you don’t consider men like the email writer to be potential rapists doesn’t disprove my point – it just means you made the same assessment and came to a different conclusion than the woman who received the letter. Women who get drunk with “hot” guys simply decided the enhanced social proof was worth the potential risk of assault. Alcohol also warps the brain’s capacity to make realistic assessments, which is why people do stupid things while drunk. Again, none of your straw men disprove or even accurately address my statement.

        You’re either deliberately distorting my point or you’re just not getting it.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 2:43 pm Neecy

        @ Spira

        You SAID all women automatically and subconsciously think Rape when encountering unknown men. Hindbrain, front brain, side brain? BS! i said NO they don’t b/c all women don’t assess situations the same all the time. End of story.

        My point in bringing up the alcohol was to say that if women SUBCONSCIOULSY in the hindbrain are always thinking rape with unknown men (as you sugessted) , then women would avoid doing things like getting piss drunk around unknown men knowing that being intoxicated further weakens a woman’s defense and judgement capabilities in the prescence of unknown men.

        IOW’s your “theory” (b/c that is all it is) applies to some women. NOT ALL. That was the point I was making. Since I am a woman, I can say that NO I don;t have rape on my Hindbrain unless I am in a situation that is clearly physically threatening or where a man is giving off clear and sure signs of being a possible threat towards me.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 2:48 pm Spiralina

        Jesus, Neecy…I just…wow.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 3:21 pm Spiralina

        Dear Neecy,

        My “theory” is based on, you know, reading stuff. It’s fun to debate when people give me other theories to think about (even when they’re different from mine), but it’s not as fun when people misrepresent my points, talk out of their ass, and act as though typing in ALL CAPS is a substitute for reading stuff. You are one of those not-fun people. Here is some stuff you can read. Have a nice day.

        Love,
        Spiralina

        Gavin deBecker, “The Gift of Fear”
        Harris & Jenkins, “Gender Differences in Risk Assessment”
        Windmann & Kruger, “Subconscious Detection of Threat as Reflected by an Enhanced Response Bias”
        McKibbon & Shackleford, “Women’s Avoidance of Rape”
        Thornhill & Palmer, “A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion”
        Krahe, “Cognitive coping with the threat of rape: vigilance and cognitive avoidance”

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 3:48 pm That Guy

        @Geisha,

        Yeah, Pillow Fight!

        For once I agree, it’s high time these 2 got a room and thrashed out their differences…

        I’ll bet Spiro is spoiling for a good tussle with Neecy’s pillows 😉

        Then they can kiss and make up…

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 3:59 pm GeishaKate

        THWAP!

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 4:10 pm Neecy

        I’m no fun? Well you’re the one reading all those “how to spot a rapist” books!

        P.S. I have ZERO interest in reading those things about rape b/c it is plainly clear there are specific situations and clear signs of when a woman should feel threatened. I don’t and I am sure by now most other women don’t either, need a book to tell me this.

        I don’t believe its RAPE that is actually etched in women’s hindbrains, but rather the association of things that could lead to being raped. association of other FACTORS – like being in a dark alley alone, a man making threatening sexual comments, a man not taking no for an answer, a man harassing her, being surrounding by a group of strange men who are making sexual epithets, being followed by a strange man in public Etc.

        So it has never occurred to me or never have I had feelings of fear simply by encountering an unknown man UNLESS I am in a compromising situation where I feel by his actions or my surroundings that I am in danger. Some women just assume the worst in men (possibly based on experience) and feel fear of them until he has proven himself non-threatening. So in my opinion, its not necessarily “rape” that is in the hindbrain but the threat of such based on associating factors that would lead to it.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 7:06 pm Rihanna Deserved It

      @RappaccinisDaughter,

      U light up a comments section. I bet it must be pretty uncomfortable to find out that I frequently masturbate to your prose. Your presumably high dating market value test for women score puts a smile on my lotsacockas.

      Let’s bone,

      Rihanna Deserved It

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:12 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        @Rihanna Deserved It: I refuse to use “LOL,” but your comment did make me laugh out loud. Note-perfect, except you forgot to include rainbows.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 10:36 pm yareallypua

      To reference my post above about when to mimic the guy and in what way, with RappaccinisDaughter’s vibe she’d give off really uncomfortable body language and her eyes would be worried/scared and the second he left she’d girl-code her friend with an “omg that was so freaky” look.

      So mimicking the guy then relieving her by showing you’re just kidding would work with her.

      See Neecy’s reply below for more.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 10:48 pm yareallypua

        Or rather Neecy’s reply waaaaay the fuck above lol. This little thread expanded FAST jesus.

        This one:

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/omega-male-hall-of-shame-what-women-mean-by-creepy/#comment-344893

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 11:01 pm gunslingergregi

      ”””””Blue
      That email is about as revolting as a video of 8 dudes blowing 9 dudes.”””’

      substitute post for email hahahahahaha

      poor liddle thing stfu

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  13. on June 11, 2012 at 5:43 pm LD

    Recognise myself in here to a large degree especially during my teen years and up to oh maybe 27. What turned things around was xanax…kill the flutters between your ribs, kill your stress around women, kill your outcome vulnerability. I recommend ‘depression’ and anxiety as ways to improve innate game.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 8:09 pm RH

      Adderall works better, my friend. I’ve taken xanex too. It kills anxiety, but drops my IQ by like 20 points. Does anyone take xanax and actually work in an intellectually demanding environment?

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 9:54 pm The Whammer

        Omega stuff. Real men take morphine.

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  14. on June 11, 2012 at 5:47 pm asdf

    i could barely repress the cringe when i read “the rainbow of emotions within you.”

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  15. on June 11, 2012 at 5:47 pm Simon Corso

    It’s like Ralph Wiggum grew up and tried to write a love letter with echoes of Debby Boone.

    One thing though, in those rare occasions when I date a woman older than I am, I frequently address her as “Young Lady “. It’s a neg, a subtle way to draw attention to the fact that she’s older than me, and also, put’s me in the dominant, authority position. Younger girls I refer to as “little lady”. Or “squirt”

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 6:52 am Maigo

      I’ve used “Young Lady” on older women and they all love it. I’m suprised every time by how enthusiastic the responses are. Tie it into a something sex related and dominant and you’ve got cougar crack (as a bad example, “I’ll put you over my knee in a minute if you don’t behave yourself young lady”)

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  16. on June 11, 2012 at 5:55 pm Neecy

    Aww that’s sad! I honestly feel bad for guys like this b/c they truly mean well. And they honestly are playing by the “rules” that society and women tell them to. It’s just they don’t realize that what women and society says we want, we don’t really. Go easy on guys like this Heartiste b/c they honestly mean well and really don’t know any better. Just b/c a lot of you all on here figured out what’s best doesn’t mean every guy has.

    I blame women fir guys like this b/c women lie and say they want romance and sweet kind men and then turn around and call them creepy. I wouldn’t call this guy creepy at all. I will say he’s maybe a poor Schlub but not creepy.

    And I would respond to him only if it’s to say “thanks for the compliment” and leave it at that. He isn’t being rude, vulgar or obnoxious. Not sure why any woman wouldn’t at least say “thx” if nothing more.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 6:38 pm Firepower

      lol, you got like FOUR of them on your blog right now

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:16 pm Neecy

        I guess I shouldn’t mention that you posted there frequently? HA! I Miss you pumpkin *MUAH*!!!!

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:26 am Firepower

        You gave me what I wanted
        and I moved on
        dont hate!

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:31 am Neecy

        😆 😈 I love you I don’t care what they say about you MAN! LOL

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 5:07 am Special K

      Next time a guy hits on you like this… Try linking him here instead :). Do him a lot more good than “thanks for the compliment”

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:45 am Neecy

        WHY? If I knew him I would be more likely to do it or to offer some advice like “uuuh don’t do that again”. LOL But a stranger. I wouldn’t.

        Here’s how I see it. the guy wasn’t asking her out. he was letting her know that he admires her and that she makes his day. So i would write back saying thanks and assume this would be the end of the discussion. I do think the letter deserved *AT LEAST* a thank you. I guess i dont like making people feel bad when i feel they really mean well even if they did something clueless and stupid.

        I rarely make convo with men in public who give me compliments, but i will at least give a subtle smile or even say “thanks” *IF* I feel they are being sincere and as long as they are not being obnoxious, or vulgar. Some women absolutely don’t respond and get these feelings of fear. Such s life. But then again I see things differently from the average woman today so….

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 4:24 pm V

        “So i would write back saying thanks and assume this would be the end of the discussion.”

        Oh, but it would not be the end.

        “the guy wasn’t asking her out. he was letting her know that he admires her and that she makes his day.”

        He wasn’t asking her out only because he was to scurrred. He was desperately seeking approval and permission to go ahead and ask her out later after her little heart melted. You can write back saying thanks, but if you respond positively and don’t make it clear that you’re not interested, he’s going to see that as a green light.

        [heartiste: that’s it. the whole thing was approval seeking. that’s what women mean by creepy: a man who seeks their approval. he would have been much better off, if he wanted to go the skid-greasing email route, to phrase his email like this:
        “hey –
        i’m about to go over and ask you out because you intrigue me. just giving you a head’s up so you can fix your hair or something to prepare for the BIG MOMENT.”]

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 4:17 pm V

      “Go easy on guys like this Heartiste b/c they honestly mean well and really don’t know any better.”

      No, heartiste, don’t go easy on guys like this. Going easy on guys like this equates to reenforcing the delusional “rules” they are playing by. Guys like this will never change and never learn by going easy on them. That amounts to telling them ‘good job nice try you did everything right so just keep up the good work and maybe next time.’

      Many guys like this will never change anyway, but if any of them will they first need to be confronted with the error of their ways.

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  17. on June 11, 2012 at 5:56 pm Jack

    Heartiste thanks for posting this, along with the line-by-line breakdown. Educational, and spot-on. Your followers will read and understand, instinctively. But 95+% of all men won’t, and will continue to waste time and money texting/sending this mealymouthed bullshit, or buying stupid teddy bears, flower arrangements, and worthless jewelry.

    Listen up beta fucksticks: please just stop. Go play WoW or something.

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  18. on June 11, 2012 at 5:58 pm Bixby

    So bloody awful and cringeworthy. So illiterate too. Must be a black guy.
    This reads like the dozens of omega messages left on Facebook pictures of fat 45 year old hags, by the hordes of African, Indian, and Muslim retards that the women friended in a bid for attention. You can be the most disgusting and haggard looking woman, and still get treated like a celebrity by these desperate african creeps. They drool all over each and every picture with pseudo-romantic bullshit like this email.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 12:25 am Greg Eliot

      It did remind me a bit of the “Smoove” parodies on The Onion.

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  19. on June 11, 2012 at 5:58 pm itsme

    i thought it was sweet.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 1:26 am corvinus

      Winner!

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  20. on June 11, 2012 at 6:08 pm The Whammer

    Perhaps if you’re am Alpha like Shakespeare or Dom Draper you can get away with this crap and the girl will just find it funny and amusing. But when you’re a 38 yo omega nerd working in some cubicle wearing your Walmart suit(that you constantly sweat through) and square toed Kenneth Cole shoes then you’re just looking for trouble.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 7:02 pm anon

      hey wait. I like my K.coles.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 7:03 pm BLOWOUT SOON FELLOW STALKER!

      I run “creepy game” from time to time. Works well when you are in a group and you drop it unexpectedly when an unrelated person is talking or there is a lull in the conversation. Turn directly at the girl and peer through her with a slight grimace without saying a word until she notices and starts complaining. Completely ignore her protestations as if she doesn’t exist then break stare off to start an unrelated anecdote now that group focused has shifted on me.

      If you’re good looking or game was tight enough, she will be cracking a smile after calling creepy (anti-slut defense). You can call it back at random or use it as a disapproval tool when she says something stupid/inappropriate (script flip). When working properly, each successive stare will progressively weaken the bitch shield to the point where a mere glance will cause her to be turning away giggling, covering her face to start play fighting you, start play fighting you.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 10:02 pm The Whammer

        Go try it haha

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  21. on June 11, 2012 at 6:14 pm aneroidocean

    You missed on “Chao.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chao

    [heartiste: i’m assuming the guy is american. most americans who are trying to be cosmopolitan spell it the italian way — ciao. maybe he’s spanish, or more likely he misspelled it.]

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 1:27 am corvinus

      Maybe he’s Vietnamese

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 4:32 pm V

      He misspelled enough words in that email I think it’s fair to give ch benefit of the doubt on this. He misspelled ‘chao’ just like he did a dozen other words.

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  22. on June 11, 2012 at 6:16 pm EE

    The sad thing is that all the regular non-alpha guys are constantly trained by mothers and shitty love songs to believe that this kind of communication to to a girl does really express their “profound” feelings for her and is a way to go. Just listen to any radio song performed by a white guy nowadays.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 4:36 pm V

      Bruno Mars is not white.

      If you eva leave me baba
      leave some morphine at the do’
      cause it will take a whole lot of medication
      to make me forget im so brunomega.

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  23. on June 11, 2012 at 6:22 pm HLS

    Definitely foreign. Almost certainly aspie. Very likely asian.

    It’s almost not fair to dump too much on “him.” Not only does he not know better, he probably lacks the capacity to know better. He’s so far beyond being a competitor that it’s like blaming a dog for being beta because it wags too much. Much more fair to dump on me for once writing a letter to a crush in high school “confessing my feelings.” So, so pathetic, and even then I knew better, much less cringing at the memory today. Her reply was relatively kind, which was more than such asshattery deserved. The only thing tempering my shame was running into her at a wedding 7 years later. High school chick practically waddled by then, and my girlfriend who brought me to the wedding was smoking.

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  24. on June 11, 2012 at 6:23 pm GeishaKate

    I’m inclined to sympathize with this well-meaning/misguided individual since I’m a rather intense person and I understand even the most innocuous statements can be alarming to someone who doesn’t want to hear them, BUT, since I want to avoid a lecture from That Guy today, I’ll join in the omega pinata bashing (I just hope there’re some tootsie rolls in there).

    Rapp nails it in that the creepiness comes in with implied familiarity where there doesn’t actually seem to be any as well as the fact that men are physically intimidating simply because they are larger.

    I was telling a friend recently that I stumbled upon something I’m calling “taillight game.” I’ve always joked I only drive cars with cute butts, but I didn’t realize it was actually turning men on! Twice in the past six months I’ve had men alert me to the fact that I had a brake light out. Now, in each instance, the men were trying to be helpful, but the first one scared the hell out of me as the man literally pursued me following me a couple miles home right into my driveway. The second one used that “I saw you…” motif that I don’t know if anyone can ever pull off. At the time we were speaking I was nowhere near my car. It was mildly “creepy,” but I know it was well-intentioned as this guy was a stranger to me but he offered me the use of his truck to help me move the boxes I was later loading in my flirty little car.

    The best advice is to never put in an email anything you wouldn’t say in person.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 6:29 pm That Guy

      @Geisha,

      Good to see your progress… resist!

      BTW, if your car has a cute butt, but your taillight is out, aren’t you running the risk that some fast driving Alpha male might rear end you 😉

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 6:35 pm GeishaKate

        hehe- maybe I shouldn’t fix it 😉

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  25. on June 11, 2012 at 6:32 pm 357

    I hate reading such wretched prose, I feel like it might infect me with its ugliness.

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  26. on June 11, 2012 at 6:37 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    Creeps like him should be encouraged.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 7:29 pm Aureo

      that’s what is happenning today, and seemingly it’s working: alpha gets more rewards, betas and omegas get crap, but unfortunately the grand majority of male persons are betas, so, this system won’t last long.
      Alpha up, people!

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  27. on June 11, 2012 at 7:07 pm PA

    Re. “You are special.”

    A friend of mine who got dumped by his girlfriend was despondent and moped about how the girl who broke up with him ‘special.’

    I told him “she is not special.”

    He replied, “I understand what you’re saying about oneitis, but how do you square that with the fact that you think your wife is special?”

    I told him that all women are interchangeable, there is nothing magical about any one girl… except — if she lives you. Her loving feelings for you and the way

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 7:09 pm PA

      (continuing) … she treats you are the only way a girl can be “special.” If she doesn’t feel that way about you, or if she stops loving you, she is no longer special.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:39 pm Firepower

        Why do you value the simple philosophy IRL
        but go for the ostentatiously complex, online?

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 8:32 am Heero

        You forgot that he’s trying to avoid an OD in Red Pill knowledge.
        Remember it’s bitter not sweet.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:29 am Firepower

        There IS NO overdosing on knowledge
        It is rare. Those that DO,
        become teachers or librarians
        to disseminate vast repositories

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  28. on June 11, 2012 at 7:12 pm peckerwood

    Holy crap, this public humiliation is brutal. Now, you not only have to envision everything you write as broadcast on the jumbotron, but bitches be tweeting your flirting too.
    http://www.thefrisky.com/2012-06-11/the-soapbox-in-defense-of-brian-presley-or-why-melissa-stetten-comes-off-like-the-jerk-for-live-tweeting-their-conversation/
    So, yeah, there’s that now.

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  29. on June 11, 2012 at 7:18 pm LostSailor

    I think my balls tried to divorce my scrotum and crawl back up into my lower abdomen while reading that. And that was just at the horrendous grammar and diction…

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  30. on June 11, 2012 at 7:26 pm fiddy six

    Best note I ever wrote: I told a girl my d*ck was hard. She said, “why are you telling me this?” I replied, “I feel like you need to know.”

    That was some of the best sex I ever had.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 8:08 pm GeishaKate

      Status updates of this nature are quite enjoyable 🙂

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 8:26 pm GeishaKate

        Except, of course, when you’re just meeting someone. This is an actual second email I received earlier this year from a match that I thanked for his interest but told him we lived too far away.

        “hi Kate,i really know we are far apart but its your beauty that caught me in the net.i will really be glad if you again consider my proposal cuz i got a very huge cock 10inch which i know you will love.pls my love,your smile on this pics makes me fell you need me.i am very humble but very nutty when it comes to real sex.i dont make love harshly but take my time until the situation ges hot..i will really like to share my world with Kate..pls i need a woman like you to settle down with…just imagine things we gonna do hun..am waiting patiently for your reply Kate…”

        !CREEP!

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  31. on June 11, 2012 at 7:27 pm Burton

    You know what’s funny? American women have made a big production that they want men to be “sensitive” and “express their feelings.” And here we have a guy who (stupidly) does these things, thereby committing social suicide with not only the object of his affections but probably every other female within fallout radius.

    Reminds me of that song, “Hey there, Delilah” which, when I first heard it, thought was about a stalker or something. Maybe it was?

    The young men of today are truly blessed to have the Manosphere and blogs like this. If only the Red Pill wasn’t such bitter medicine.

    Amen, brother, amen!

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 7:30 pm Neecy

      American women have made a big production that they want men to be “sensitive” and “express their feelings.” And here we have a guy who (stupidly) does these things, thereby committing social suicide

      BINGO! Herein lies the problem. A lot of American guys really are raised this way. The divide happens when some learn through trial and erorr this isn’t really the way to go and others like this poor guy haven’t figured it out yet. That is why i don’t understand all the hate. i can understand men being frsutrated with guys like this just as women get frustrated with the loonies who make it harder for us. but he is just doing what he was most likely taught and raised to do.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:42 pm Firepower

        c’mon, lighten up you two lovebirds!
        ye mean NEITHER of you thought it funny
        The Fat Cubicle Dweeb
        wearing his heart on his sleeve
        got it stomped, crush-killed destroyed?

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 7:58 pm Neecy

        No, not funny Firepower!! LOL You are heartless 😥

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 9:34 pm Escape Velocity

        Thanks for your compassion for well-meaning, completely deluded dorks, Neecy. I mean that sincerely.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:35 am Neecy

        LOL I’m sorry but some things get waay blown out of porportion. This poor guy is guilty of being clueless. nothing more and nothing less. plus I think American women are crass and rude by nature these days and are just so full of themselves that they think every damn man who says something nice to them is some creeper who is gonna harm or rape them. Gimme a break!

        The men they should be worried about are the ones who they are so freely bedding in one night drunken stands not clueless men sending emails at work.

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  32. on June 11, 2012 at 7:31 pm jlw

    “Lessons learned: *** 2. There are shadowy realms beyond which even my considerable powers of instruction cannot penetrate. Introducing a lost cause like this dude to game will only provoke a defensive reaction and further turtling into his self-perpetuating misery. I think we all know a few guys who fall into that category.”

    So..what should these lost causes do? Or…what should be done with the lost causes? Has anyone ever considered those questions? Maybe something dreadful could be avoided if we had those answers, but no one, except Vox Day perhaps, has ever considered them.

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    • on June 13, 2012 at 9:13 am GeishaKate

      My experience in education is that you have to meet people where they are (their level) and gradually raise them up. Someone who can only play “Row, Row, Row Your Boat” isn’t going to learn the Rach 5 overnight. They will probably never learn it, but they might master the “Moonlight Sonata.”

      Every group is necessary. Even so-called “lost causes” should feel pride in what they are contributing to society. And they should have women. It is simply inhumane not to.

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  33. on June 11, 2012 at 7:44 pm Ken_in_SC (@Ken_in_SC)

    When I lived in the Philippines, there were these little sand colored lizards who lived in your house.

    They looked like little alligators.

    Their eggs were about the size of M&Ms

    They reproduced by rape.

    The males chased the females down and held them down by the throat while they mated.

    When this happened, the female’s toenails turned bright red

    When I lived in the Philippines, there were these little sand colored lizards who lived in your house.

    They looked like little alligators.

    Their eggs were about the size of M&Ms

    They reproduced by rape.

    The males chased the females down and held them down by the throat while they mated.

    When this happened, the female’s toenails turned bright red

    I think is why women paint their nails red.

    Why else?

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    • on June 13, 2012 at 7:57 am David Collard

      I wish my female would paint her toenails red more often.

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  34. on June 11, 2012 at 7:45 pm bell

    There’s a sniglet (google if you need) that applies here:

    Fardo
    From the french, fardeoux.
    noun. The feeling of embarrassment one experiences on behalf of someone who is either too stupid or too ignorant to feel embarrassed for himself.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 8:51 pm Tiger

      ze germans call it fremdschämen

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:08 am Tyrone

        I don’t think that’s a word.

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  35. on June 11, 2012 at 8:10 pm rocket science

    You know, with all this multicultural stuff they teach in school now, about race, sexual orientation, etc., you would think they could spare some classroom time to enlighten young men on the fact that women don’t really value men who treat them like ladies. And romance from a beta? Eww… Churchill of course said it succinctly: Treat a lady like a tramp, and a tramp like a lady, and you will never have problems with women.

    That letter was rough to read, because when in college I wrote a letter like that, to a girl I knew and interacted with socially. I even bought her flowers. She soon thereafter was knocked up by some alpha guy I didn’t even know she knew and had a “dusting and cleaning.” Needless to say I never got into her pants.

    I agree with Neecy, this guy shouldn’t be hated. He should be taken aside and given an education about women by some nice friend. Just a link to this blog site might be all it takes for him to have that Eureka moment, when the cloud of lies is lifted and the incredibly rich landscape of pussy lies before him, crystal clear on a new summer morning. My love, I see your bright essence flowing like a cascading stream in the early spring . . . This might take some work.

    Chao.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 10:12 pm Ed the Department Head

      “He should be taken aside and given an education about women by some nice friend.”

      100% Right!

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  36. on June 11, 2012 at 8:12 pm brian

    “Today you look so Q, you can easily be thought off as a 23 year old.”

    Way to remind her that she’s older than the hotties right out of college.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 8:36 pm Neecy

      LOL Well does he at *LEAST* get points for that NEG? Cause that really was a NEG whether he knew it or not.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 4:33 am Anonymous

        Yes, I noticed the neg but it ended up being a DLV because he was making it clear he couldn’t get the younger ones but would if he could.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:30 am Neecy

        Hmmm. I think by just writing the letter he proved he couldn’t get really ANY WOMAN. But it was a neg in and of itself b/c he is basically saying or seems like he is saying all the other days she doesn’t look so young, but today she does. LOL

        I guess it doesn’t matter b/c he is truly clueless at how to approach and interact with a woman he likes.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 4:44 pm Anonymous

        No, he loses those points for misspelling the word “of”

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 4:47 pm V

        No, he loses those points for misspelling the word “of”!

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  37. on June 11, 2012 at 9:10 pm Dale

    For a lot of beta examples, watch “The Bachelorette”

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 9:22 pm LostSailor

      You’re watching the bachelorette? Weak. There are enough beta examples in the actual world. Why would you waste your time?

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 8:37 am Heero

        I’m seeing nothing but gold digger…

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 1:53 pm chi-town

        Many men should be watching what girls watch. You really don’t always see every angle. Reading a woman’s magazine or watching chic flicks would do a lot of betas some good if they viewed it with real knowledge behind it. I for one highly praised Twilight for its sophisticated navigation of ephebophilia( He an old man who happens to be in the body of a boy. What ever happened to appearances only? ), restrained bad boy trying to be good while lusting for her juices, and god like power. Feminism can be set aside when the men are overtly stronger beings. It dances around every politically incorrect female instinct that they lust for and they don’t even seem to know it. Its like discovering a female porn stash. And as in the opposite case, it might never occur to a woman to make a use that she has discovered his high heel fetish.

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 9:43 am Convict Moll

        High heel fetish?

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 9:46 am Convict Moll

        Is that when he wants you to wear heels when he fucks you?

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 9:59 am GeishaKate

        I confess to watching a couple of episodes of Tough Love on VH1 as the male host tries to teach the female participants a few things about love/relationships. Its a bit of a modern Pygmalion.

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  38. on June 11, 2012 at 9:15 pm So, do the Zonk

    What makes this particularly painful to read is that many commenters (me included) see an earlier version of themselves in this message, though hopefully not so catastrophically bad. This guy is stuck in an ignorant and adolescent mindset and it is probably far too late for him to ever improve his life.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 10:57 pm yareallypua

      Oh ya lol I was totally this guy. Or at least headed down his path to become him one day.

      …I’ve made up for it since lol

      I just feel bad for the guy AND girl more than anything. It’s sad in a way because the guy could be a good dude and they mightve gotten along happily ever after, had 2 kids, a house, a white pickett fence, spent years and years together madly in love, been holding hands when he was on his death bed…but just because he was taught a bunch of bullshit by society about what women want, that possible connection will never happen.

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  39. on June 11, 2012 at 9:27 pm Man in Miskesona

    Even in my most beta past, I would never have written anything like this tripe. The worst I would have done is to call a girl special.

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  40. on June 11, 2012 at 9:28 pm rek

    OK, too many regulars in here masquerading as alphas. Shouldn’t you guys be out getting laid or something? I mean, you guys have more to say (by the end of thread) than Heartiste did writing the post – almost every time.

    The poor guy who wrote the love note…..he needs to be hit with so many rights that he begs for a left.

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  41. on June 11, 2012 at 9:33 pm Escape Velocity

    I have never sent a missive like this, but on two occasions I wrote one, and I almost suffered the consequences.

    The first time, I told a friend about my plans to pour my heart in prose out to a platonic friend. He responded by getting a horrified look on his face and urged me not to do it.

    The second time, I wrote a poem for a girl who I had dated but whose feelings for me had cooled. I told a different friend of my plans, and he didn’t discourage me. He just nodded silently, or was similarly passive. Luckily, I got my head together and decided against social suicide.

    The guy in the first scenario is still my friend. The guy in the second is not.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 1:55 pm chi-town

      A (sub)missive.

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  42. on June 11, 2012 at 9:48 pm Escape Velocity

    he guy who saved my ass was surprisingly quite beta, and still is, if noticeably improved by experience. (He’s in an LTR and thinks this blog is “too much.”) The guy who was wiling to let me walk off a cliff was, and probably still is a greater alpha.

    During both instances I was a handsome, tall, but socially inept beta. This post has sparked my memory of plenty of occasions when guys I thought were friends, or at least not enemies, didn’t warn me against self-destructive behavior I now know they were socially savvy enough to recognize as such, or who encouraged my self-immolation. Maybe my hindsight is too self-serving, but it’s my honest observation that guys can be just as dishonorably underhanded as women when motivated by jealousy.

    Without this blog, I’d still be their patsy.

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  43. on June 11, 2012 at 9:49 pm SouthTX

    Interesting to watch what a proven Alpha female thinks is creepy. He was top ten of class who is a state class power lifter. Judging by the girl’s I’ve seen him with is at least lesser Alpha. Tries to steal my son’s girlfriend. The boys were friends but now my son has threatened to beat the f*ck out of him. He took it serious and disappeared. Normal Male response. She was incredibly creeped out by him though. She even got her parents hating him.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 10:13 pm pulsotic

      Better rethink that, he wouldn’t have jeopardized his friendship if he didn’t think he was in. She was probably coming onto him and he didn’t know how to handle it. One misstep and he’s not the cool fling, he’s the creep. If she got her parents involved she’s on damage control cuz she fucked up. If it were my son I’d start schooling him on the wiles of women before he gets his adolescent heart broken, alpha or not.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 10:48 pm SouthTX

        No, he was liberal douche. The son dumped the Asian Alpha girl. She broke it off at first. She came running back to him. But he dumped her ass for a old school girl. He was a a leftists. Her Parents and her are old school.

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      • on June 11, 2012 at 11:38 pm Anonymous

        I’m siding with pulsotic’s point even more. You cannot steal a girl unless she agrees to it. They are not kitchen appliances. I bet you she got caught with her hand in the cookie jar. I’ve noticed it is even more common in Asian girls to juggle multiple suitors and play them off each other like that since they are more traditional. “now my son has threatened to beat the f*ck out of him.” Bad move with me, chief. That’s when I get stabby.

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 9:35 pm SouthTX

        It was early on. It may have been a test, he still seems a little beta to me. I have seen female nature because my wife gets hit on by older professionals. Apologize to pulsotic. It was a long day and the Jim Beam Black was kicking in. As far as getting stabby. That doesn’t necessarily work out too well in country that is signacantly south of a bunch of Mexico.Everybody carries a knife. Most know how to fight.

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 9:47 pm SouthTX

        You bring up a good point. It was early in for him. May have been a test by the current. I apologize to pulsotic on that point. Asian girl was valedictorian and hot, but she fucked up. If you ever travel this far south, just a friendly reminder, stabby means you will probably be shot. Fist fights are still tolerated, but if weapons come out, you pull a knife, no DA or grand jury will send it to trial when are shot.

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 10:08 pm SouthTX

        I guess a dangerous part of the country is a most polite part. If you know being an asshole to the wrong person won’t end well. You make friends and get along. Folks I know all get along well. Men seek common ground in that they want to provide for the wife and kids. Wives are happy because their Men provide. Ignore PMS. Kid’s take traditional gender roles. Boy’s establish themselves. Girls are happy for having a Dad, brothers. Mom takes care of us all. We may seem medieval, but most Moms I see are happy, even learning sports to cheer on the kids. Femenism hasn’t taken over here for the most part.

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  44. on June 11, 2012 at 9:55 pm YB

    I feel like puking. Thank GOD that I was never an Omega.

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  45. on June 11, 2012 at 10:01 pm Nom

    It must feel sick as hell to receive a card from a dude.

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  46. on June 11, 2012 at 10:02 pm Heero

    I didn’t bother reading that letter

    I try to attain the holy grail: Anal orgasm

    i know it’s grosss and don’t care

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  47. on June 11, 2012 at 10:05 pm SouthTX

    Just my experience, traditional girls tend to get creeped out if Men show romantic interest in them once they are obviously paired off with their choice.

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  48. on June 11, 2012 at 10:19 pm a girl

    eeeeewwww! this is creepy. i mean, i don’t doubt the guy’s sincerity, but he clearly lacks any sense of propriety. to shower a stranger with a page full of uninvited compliments and many semi-intimate details feels like a violation of someone’s personal space, like a hidden camera.

    perhaps, i am making any sense… but it just doesn’t feel right.

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 10:20 pm a girl

      i meant “perhaps i am NOT making any sense…”

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    • on June 11, 2012 at 11:00 pm Nom

      I’ve always wanted to ask “a girl”, and finally here you are:

      Was Dante creepy toward Beatrice when he wrote The Divine Commedy?

      And if so, how creepy?

      Apologies to Heartiste if this matter has been dealt with here before (and a link plz).

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 10:50 am pulsotic

        All that crap is creepy. If these artists/writers were able to get the girl they wanted through normal social means, they wouldn’t be writing books/songs/paintings/letters to them.

        Love song/book/letter = “please love me” = neediness = creepy

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 2:41 pm Anonymous

        er… i cannot say whether dante was creepy or not. perhaps, from beatrice’s perspective, he was, a little bit. but women tend to be smitten by geniuses and excuse them for all sorts of misconducts, including being super creepy. standhal wrote a whole book on love out of his frustration with some cold countess. frankly, that was kinda crazy, or even creepy. but since it was such good stuff, we all excuse him for doing it. no woman will complain about being immortalized as a subject of worship in a masterpiece.

        let’s face it, that guy who wrote “o, u light up a room” treatise is not a genius. so there is no excuse for being creepy.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 2:43 pm Anonymous

        the previous comment was from “a girl”

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  49. on June 11, 2012 at 10:49 pm Anonymous

    Needy betas are creepy, but I think the essence of being beta is being needy. So is it just that an especially needy beta becomes creepy when he reaches a certain neediness threshold? Or is there another factor at work? Maybe heartiste’s translation of the woman’s knee-jerk “creeper” accusation will be instructive:

    “He feels inspired to pour his heart out to me because he gets a chub every time he sees me over the cubicle walls?”

    What I think heartiste is suggesting here is what the woman perceives as the creeper’s absurd response (pouring his heart out) to his own sexual desire (he gets a chub). But I think it is interesting that we have no reason to call the creeper’s sexual desire itself absurd; rather it is only the way he acts on it that earns him the “creepy” label. And the way he acts on it is not exactly absurd either, but maybe just unconsciously self-defeating. Because on some level the creeper knows that his e-mail will permanently kill his chances with her and with every girl she tells about the e-mail, which suggests that he harbors unconscious destructive tendencies toward his own sex drive. And maybe it is those destructive tendencies that girls unconsciously pick up on when they feel inspired to call a guy creepy.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 1:08 pm Spiralina

      “Because on some level the creeper knows that his e-mail will permanently kill his chances with her and with every girl she tells about the e-mail, which suggests that he harbors unconscious destructive tendencies toward his own sex drive. And maybe it is those destructive tendencies that girls unconsciously pick up on when they feel inspired to call a guy creepy.”

      I wouldn’t give him that much credit. Applying Occam’s razor to the situation would suggest he wrote the letter simply because he thought the girl would like it and feel a connection with him. And who can blame him? Every romantic comedy ever made suggests these “crazy” romantic gestures are interpreted by women as sweet and attractive rather than creepy. Whereas in real life, a beta playing a corny Peter Gabriel song on a ghetto blaster in a stranger’s yard in the middle of the night doesn’t get the girl – he gets hauled off to jail.

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  50. on June 11, 2012 at 11:12 pm gunslingergregi

    he might get to hit it he was kind of alpha in a way cause he obviously didn’t care to much about her going to hr or sexual harassment bs
    He also said wtf he wanted to say how he wanted to say it and when he wanted to say it and on permanent email.
    He had fun writing that hopefully that night he went out and got 4 ho’s and had a 5 some.

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  51. on June 11, 2012 at 11:22 pm gunslingergregi

    i guess nice thing about being a man is plenty of time to learn we can have kids when we are 80
    once a bitch hits the wall and no

    “wall pass” not mine he he he

    she ends up like demi

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  52. on June 11, 2012 at 11:49 pm Listener

    The word that flashed through my head was “micropenis.”

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 8:44 am Heero

      micropenis is a physical impairement
      added with mental characteristic of an omega we have *Drum rollllll*
      a “picopenis”

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  53. on June 12, 2012 at 12:12 am (R)Evoluzione

    Relevant to coming off creepily, men, let this be a reminder to you that *every* word you say, pretty much anywhere, may be subject to getting recorded somehow or liveblogged on twitter. The dude was fucking clueless, try-hard, and had zero game. Think “Jumbotron” game at all times.

    http://www.manolith.com/2012/06/06/model-melissa-stetten-live-tweets-a-pathetic-pickup-attempt-by-married-actor-brian-presley/

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 7:13 am Art Vandelay

      That’s a fairly cunty move on her part.

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  54. on June 12, 2012 at 12:22 am Cam

    Goddamn. This is sad.

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  55. on June 12, 2012 at 12:57 am whiskeysplace

    There’s some stupid Google ad running that mimicks this, a long apology to some chick from a beta male loser and a plea for coffee.

    What needs to happen is honesty. The gal needs to go nuclear on him, but explain why she’s going nuclear. That the guy needs to Alpha up, be that arrogant, cocky, asshole jerk that women love and not the needy omega they hate. Just honesty. Not the BS passive-aggressive stuff that society with female partnership foists on men so women can pretend jerks and assholes don’t get them hot.

    Any guy if sufficiently motivated can raise his Game. Maybe for some not much, but some. If women don’t like “creepy” guys they themselves are to blame, for lying in public about what makes them aroused. Which is not “niceness” but Alpha aloof aholeness.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 1:20 am David Collard

      Good Grief, the man doesn’t even have to be present. Ovulating women get aroused by reading alpha-style comments on blogs like this. They admit it.

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  56. on June 12, 2012 at 2:32 am Burton

    But you know what is kind of tragic about this case? That in some alternative universe, the woman who was the object of this guy’s affections would have responded as follows: “You are a decent, sensitive nice guy, and as a reward, I will make mad passionate love with you.” And then she would actually do it.

    Makes you realize what a savage universe our world is part of.

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    • on June 13, 2012 at 7:57 pm Anonymous

      That was actually thousands of years of this world. It was enforced by enlightened fathers and moms that wanted what was best for their daughters. You couldn’t marry (or even date) the girl unitl you had been vetted by her parents and found suitable.

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  57. on June 12, 2012 at 3:09 am Jack

    Should do a story about this article and women’s hypergamy. http://deadspin.com/5914355/how-women-throw-themselves-at-pro-athletes-and-vice-versa-a-publicist-explains?tag=the-handler

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 4:55 am Anonymous

      Another hot topic: the bitchy model who live tweeted how the beta religious married actor, Brian, tried to hit on her while sitting next to her on an airplane.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 1:20 pm Spiralina

      All I know is I never heard of “Megan” or “Brian” before this live-tweeting incident, and now they’re all over every shitty news aggregator online. I wouldn’t be surprised if these two nobodies cooked this up together to get some press.

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  58. on June 12, 2012 at 3:22 am Jean-Luc LeGame

    I used to write terrible things like this to a girl I orbited for years. I was locked in the friendzone. Then a couple years after we stopped talking I found myself with her in a medium sized apartment get-together of mutual friends. I still hadn’t taken the red pill at this time, but I had gotten fully sick of her ignoring me so I ignored her and just tried to talk to other people. Nonetheless she kept wanting to come back and talk to me. She was surprised that I wasn’t falling all over her like I had before. The next day some of my friends were like “WTF man, you could have banged her last night, she was all over you.” I wasn’t able to pick up on it then. But basically my switch from omega romantic to aloofly ignoring her made her go crazy trying to get some of the attention she had become accustomed to receiving from me.

    I’m disappointed in myself how I never put all the pieces together on my own. It took the discovery of game blogs for everything to become clear. And now I’m slapping my forehead every time I remember my interactions with women from middle-school through college. All the evidence was there I just couldn’t solve the puzzle on my own.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 2:13 pm corvinus

      Turnarounds can happen, sometimes, but only if the girl is intrinsically attracted to the guy and he stops his beta-omega behavior and switches to alpha, like cutting her off and getting with other women.

      Because most betas/omegas are unsalvageable, the women tend to be genuinely surprised, and sometimes delighted, when the man acts like this. I honestly think a lot of rejections are women attempting to train men to not act like betas/omegas, even if they don’t quite realize it.

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  59. on June 12, 2012 at 5:16 am rocket science

    I guess this behavior is explained by money.

    Just a short time ago, women were dependent on men for resources to survive and raise their children. So, a “hopeless” omega like this guy, by expressing devotion to one woman, and by demonstrating he had resources, got laid and had children, and stayed around to raise his children to see to it that they survived to adulthood. He is what the women called “a good man” back when I was young. I used to think they meant it as a compliment.

    Now, women don’t need male resources to survive and raise children. At the very least, modern governments will provide survival rations. So, all those males descended from omegas/betas suddenly find that their cultural and genetic mating behaviors are worthless in the modern world. Instead of being rewarded, their behavior earns them scorn, at the minimum. These are the men who are victimized by the marriage and the divorce industries.

    A similar situation involves the males in the Middle East and Central Asia. After centuries of arranged marriage, the men have lost a lot of their alpha tendencies, both genetic and cultural, and rely upon family connections and money to get wives. Which, explains why they so violently suppress female independence.

    Not to be forgotten in this discussion is that what is called alpha male behavior today, as opposed to just being an alpha, was considered extremely poor form just a few decades ago. That behavior could easily get you killed. And, men who spent their time chasing women, like the modern alpha is supposed to do, were certainly disadvantaged in competing with the betas, who, satisfied supporting one woman and their children, devoted their attention to business, farming, war, or school. The betas didn’t get syphilis and gonorrhea, and pass those infections on to their women, and through their women to their children, at least in the case of syphilis. (Just imagine having either or both of those diseases without any effective treatment, and then re-evaluate what we call “alpha” behavior today.) And, nobody would raise the fatherless “alpha” spawn. They starved, and their women were held in contempt. They starved, too. The women understood these things. It affected their behavior.

    So, betas/omegas, as the modern world collapses around you, your day will come again. Maybe not soon enough to do you any good. But remember, the female personality won’t change just because the economy is bad. So, watch your back, and meanwhile, learn game. It’s easy. Just follow your asshole tendencies, but be clever about it.

    Be heartless and manipulative. The girls find that attractive.

    For example, intermittent reinforcement works both with pigeons in a Skinner box and with women in the wild.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 11:35 am Anon

      “So, all those males descended from omegas/betas”

      As would H say: False premise!
      Alphaness and omeganess are low heritability traits. The physical characteristics of an alpha (large stature, mesomorphism, high T…) are certainly more hereditary. But social skills and confidence/dominance, which play a bigger role in attracting women, are more dependent on the upbringing, environment, and a vertuous cycle of trial and error.

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    • on June 13, 2012 at 7:59 pm Anonymous

      *begins slow clap for Rocket Science*

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  60. on June 12, 2012 at 5:52 am pantyfx

    Beautiful mind and no execution makes you quite omega.

    Alpha is who executes first. Think about that. ;D

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  61. on June 12, 2012 at 1:16 pm anon69

    My take on ”creepiness”
    If a guy looks at a girl, she gives him a half smile or more and he does NOTHING but continues to look at her from time to time he enters the CreepZone.
    Girls know what guys are thinking, they know what we want b/c in their mind it’s always about them. Therefore if a guy is looking but not talking he is “stalking” in her mind.
    In my earlier life when I was more shy (or married and did not flirt w/ other women) I made this mistake and suffered for it.

    But the cure is as obvious as a hard on on a teen male. JUST SAY SOMETHING to the girl when she catches you looking at her. By just saying “Hi how you doing?” it moves the guy from “someone looking at me” to a person.

    I had a lousy job in an all night mini mart as a youth and the boss told me.”You will get robbed at gunpoint occassionally. You can protect yourself by always greeting people who walk in. By saying something to them you have began a relationship w/ them and they won’t hurt you. You become a person to them and they’ll just take the money and leave.”

    The FBI tells women in danger of being raped the same thing. Talk to the attacker and he will see you as a human and you have a chance to talk your way out of the rape. People are animals too and either see each other as prey or as people.

    So the lesson I learned was that be engaging people we then have a basis from which to deal with them. Therefore no matter how hot the girl is just SAY SOMETHING you fool.
    (Hmm I think CH has written that somewhere right?)

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm corvinus

      My take on ”creepiness”
      If a guy looks at a girl, she gives him a half smile or more and he does NOTHING but continues to look at her from time to time he enters the CreepZone.

      For an extreme example, watch the South Park episode “Spookyfish”.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 2:18 pm LostSailor

      This is true.

      In 25 years of living in NYC, I’ve been mugged only once, back in the 80s. I’d been out with friends and was heading home a little drunk at about 1am when on a dark part of a cross-street I was confronted by a kid with a large knife and demands for my “fuckin'” money. If I’d had a tactical advantage I might have responded differently (who knows?), but I didn’t, so I instinctively started talking to him in a calm measured voice. Telling him I’d been out, didn’t have much cash on me (at one point I even showed him my empty wallet before putting it back in my pocket) but he was welcome to what I had, etc.

      I put what few bills and change I had down on a step of the stoop he’d stopped me at and stepped back, talking calmly all the time. He was clearly confused that his script wasn’t playing out. I very slowly started backing away from him when when he stammered something about my watch–a very cheap Sanyo LCD thing–which I gave him, and he ran off into the night.

      Flip the script works in many situations…

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 4:19 pm Mexican Pete

        That’s a good example – flipping the script is something you can apply to most areas of life. When I learnt this stuff, I found that I started to treat my superiors at work in a more confident, and less nervous manner. Even learning how to stand and walk properly can change how people deal with you.

        That’s what’s the best thing about what folks call Game – it’s teaching recovering betas like myself the knowlege that men had prior to the feminist revolution: Not just about women but about life.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 3:41 pm GeishaKate

      Great points.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 4:22 pm Listener

      Yes. Simply engage like a human being and weaknesses become strengths.

      I have an intense stare. It’s just how my face looks. This can either be “intense creepy guy in the corner” or “David Blaine is hypnotizing me into his bedsheets, how delightful,” depending on whether I’ve been willing to simply strike up a conversation, like a man.

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    • on June 13, 2012 at 1:12 pm That Guy

      @anon69, @Sailor,

      I have a slightly different story, but it also involved not loosing my cool and staying in control of the conversation (or not loosing frame as people say around these parts)

      I used to live in a very dangerous neighborhood, with lots of gang-bangers knocking about. One late night I was on my way to meet up with some people and running extremely late, so was in something of a hurry and rushing along the sidewalk to the subway.

      Three mid-20’s Black guys, laughing and carrying on, walking abreast of each other were coming towards me. As I was walked past, the biggest of them – about 6′ 3″ and heavy built – slammed into me and sent me reeling into the street. I continued on my way and yelled back, “F*CK YOU!!!”

      Thug: “WHAT YOU SAY?”
      Me: “You heard me…”

      Thug: (Runs back and gets in front of me on the sidewalk, right in my face) “YOU BETTER APOLOGIZE FOR THAT!!!”
      Me: “What you did was wrong”
      Thug: “I SAAIIIDDDD YOU BETTER APOLOGIZE!!!” (Pulls knife out of pocket and hold it in front of me)
      Me: (Not impressed by knife) “Look, you can’t just knock a guy into the street like that, it’s not right”
      Thug: “APOLOGIZE!!! OR I’M GONNA CUT YOU!!!” (Eyes wide open. Presses knife through my jacket, so I can feel the cold steel point on my skin, just under my ribs and right over my left kidney)
      Me: “You could cut me… but what would that prove?” (Never looking down, never flinching, never breaking eye contact)
      Thug 2: “DO IT MAN”
      Thug 3: “DO IT ALREADY!”
      Thug: “APOLOGIZE!” (Becomes very uncomfortable and twitchy, as he’s wondering why I’m not scared… now beginning to look scared himself)
      Me: “I can apologize… but that won’t make what you did right… you understand?”
      Thug: “OK, Apologize then” (calms down a little)
      Me: (Same bland voice) “sorry…”
      Thug: (Steps back a little, puts knife away…)
      Me: (Look intently at him, still not moving…)
      Thug: (Clasps hands in front of him, one over the other) “Respect”
      Me: “Respect”

      Weeks maybe months later, I was in a different part of the neighborhood and walking home in the middle of the night, and a guy wearing a hoodie, that shielded his face, steps out of the shadows wielding a knife and looks about to mug me, then stops and says, “Oh, you’re ‘That Guy'” and leaves me alone.

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      • on June 14, 2012 at 9:02 pm SouthTX

        I work with some pretty rough folks. You nailed it that its a point of respect.

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  62. on June 12, 2012 at 1:22 pm chi-town

    Never forget that women want just their equals who like them. This is obvious in old Beatles footage where every girl screaming in the audience just wants someone just like themselves. Paul McCartney ‘s affectations of talent, international acclaim, influence, wealth and power had nothing to do with it.

    …the cloying approbation of a slave can only lead to …masturbation.

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  63. on June 12, 2012 at 2:48 pm Burton

    rocket science said:

    Just a short time ago, women were dependent on men for resources to survive and raise their children. So, a “hopeless” omega like this guy, by expressing devotion to one woman, and by demonstrating he had resources, got laid and had children, and stayed around to raise his children to see to it that they survived to adulthood. He is what the women called “a good man” back when I was young. I used to think they meant it as a compliment.

    Now, women don’t need male resources to survive and raise children. At the very least, modern governments will provide survival rations.

    Overall, the analysis is spot on. And ought to be read once a week to young men the moment they graduate grade school, if not sooner. Too many guys march into No Man’s Land believing in all sorts of nonsense about females. They usually do not get the truth until they have been dragged off of the barbed wire, with various organs blasted off. It’s fighting in a war with the official propaganda system lying about the goals and tactics.

    I did want to comment about the government’s role in this debacle: were it not for the government providing the survival rations, the welfare payments, the day care, the affirmative action, the “violence against womyn acts,” the agitprop on 500 telescreen channels, the kind of “independent” females you see proliferating these decadent days would not last a week on their own. Of course, the government gets the surplus rations by taxing the “beta” males and that sector of females who do behave responsibly, and redistributing it. This would appear to the casual observer to be a system racing towards self-destruction.

    We can already see that self-destruction manifested in record public and private debt levels, declining infrastructure, the inability to control the frontiers, the explosion of urban gangs in the manner of warlord armies, the bread & circuses which are laughably called “elections.” In saner times the “beta” male yeoman-citizen-militiaman would have mobilized to bring these travesties to an end in short order, as well as dragging their perpetrators in front of drumhead court martials. Today? Why should they bother when the system is rigged against them.

    The question is, when are people going to wake up to this con and take those Red Pill? Well, maybe websites like this one are a start.

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    • on June 14, 2012 at 9:10 pm SouthTX

      I didn’t even have a problem. But the red pill opened my eyes. Its has changed my personal dynamics. Wife is changed, kids are happier. She remarked that the kids always take my side. Now both do.

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      • on June 14, 2012 at 9:28 pm David Collard

        Game is not the whole answer, but that, and a few other structural changes, have made my family life much happier and more stable. It works on wives because wives are women.

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  64. on June 12, 2012 at 3:00 pm V

    “There are folks with toxic attitudes around us

    aka jerks who always take the girls.”

    aka men with masculine personailities?

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  65. on June 12, 2012 at 3:26 pm Rollo Tomassi

    think of this guy’s approach in terms of direct Game. Pitiable, borderline neurotic, Beta direct Game, but still direct Game.

    This is a shining example of why most guys never attempt direct Game; the potential and consequences of going down in a fiery ball of flames is a tough image to shake from a noob’s head.

    [heartiste: yes, it is a type of direct game, one i would call bleeding heart romantic game. i think this is why the concept of direct game trips up so many newbs; they think it means pouring your heart out like this guy. but direct game as it is played by puas is way more subtle than that. it’s really better understood as a variation of indirect game.]

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  66. on June 12, 2012 at 3:34 pm brian

    Can you imagine if she felt the same way about [i]him[/i]? His heart would have exploded.

    [heartiste: and that is why he fails.]

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  67. on June 12, 2012 at 3:46 pm Kay

    I would bet anything that this e-mail was written by a foreign guy. It is eerily similar to e-mails that I used to receive from a Czech guy that I had once met in Prague.

    Also, I can’t describe 100% how I know, but the language usage definitely registers to me as though he were writing in his second language. So while this e-mail is SO humiliating, I pity the guy just a little bit because there may be a little that is lost in translation.

    For how embarrassingly beta many American guys can be, it seems like a lot of cultures around the world take beta and omega to a whole other level. Don’t ask me why, but I watch a lot of Bollywood movies. I think I like watching them because they are so excruciatingly awful in so many ways. The point is, you will not find a more beta man that the male lead in a Bollywood movie. Watch a Bollywood movie if you want a supreme demonstration of what NOT to do.

    Also, if you feel like being perplexed, try watching a “love” scene in a Bollywood movie. Kissing is pretty much forbidden in Bollywood, so enjoy the hilarity as the leads try to “nuzzle” and “hug” each other to express their “love.” It is so very awkward..

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 8:54 pm Steve

      Its not as bad as Hollywood movies nowadays. Where the woman pulls the man in for the kiss and initiates the sex once she decides to accept his inadequacies.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 9:05 pm Anonymous

      This is fairly recent…watch bollywood movies from 80’s and even mid 90’s – you see all alpha male characters. It was all about the angry young man – fighting against the system and creating his own reality.

      The new bollywood movies, of course pander to female fantasies of alpha men catering to their every whim (which of course is fantasy).

      With urbanization and corporatism comes a new man. No longer does he have to struggle and create his own reality. Life is easy and comfortable with a corporate job – behold the Last Man is here.

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 11:24 am Kay

        You’re right, I should have made the distinction that I was referencing mostly current Bollywood movies.

        I should try to watch some older Bollywood flics…I can imagine that they’d be very different from what’s out there today.

        It is interesting how obsessed current Bollywood is with “destiny.” Sure, you see that in American movies too, but in a Bollywood movie it is emphasized over and over again. Strange for a culture that practices arranged marriages. Though sometimes destiny is mentioned in the context of an arranged marriage – the couple must marry, yet they eventually find that they were “meant” for each other.

        The movies are indeed usually just one feminist wet dream after another. I suppose if you are forced to marry someone you find unattractive, the dream does at least offer a more useful than usual form of escape.

        Indian women do seem to have some of the nicest smiles on the planet.

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  68. on June 12, 2012 at 4:32 pm Mexican Pete

    Most of us here have done something as stupid as this. We see it in the movies, so we copy it. My lowest moment was reciting a post-coital poem for a one-nighter: Her face turned to stone. It wasn’t till I discovered this site that I learned to curb such behaviour.

    Beta of the Month is a great feature of this site, but when I laugh at the antics of some deluded lunatic, there’s always the nagging whisper “….Pot, meet Kettle….”

    They deserve our pity, as well as our laughter. The letter writer is probably an honest soul who would love the girl with all his heart – It does the girl no credit to forward on the email as a joke.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 5:30 pm doug1111

      It’s real gender knowledge. Glad you’re open to learning and are learning.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 9:07 pm Mexican Pete

        Doug1111,

        The only pity is that this knowledge isn’t more widely circulated. If it wasn’t for a Weekly standard article, I’d have never found this site.

        And would be stuck in Lesser Betaville

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  69. on June 12, 2012 at 5:56 pm Flom-flom-flooie

    When my girlfriend and I started dating (first few weeks), she sent me a couple of responses she had received thru an online dating site (that rhymes with “snatch.com”). Lots of creeps and weirdos, who had NO online game whatsoever.

    Here’s one, from a 59-year-old guy who lived 800 miles away, that she sent to me one workday:

    * * * * * * * * * *
    “A compliment for a lovely lady

    It’s a far different experience reading your profile than the norm. Your feet seem so firmly planted on terra firma. You appear to be bright and cheerful and willing to stick your toe into new and exciting waters. I like curiosity and an adventuresome spirit in a person, and of course you are just lovely with a seemingly gentle spirit and a finely honed appreciation for life’s little beauties.

    I am a cheerful, fit, fun, thoughtful, and emotionally well adjusted man. I take each day on its own merits. There is always something new to discover and a new path to follow wherever it might lead. I am a curious traveler, an innovative cook, a man whose talents are now given to writing fiction and whose favorite physical activities are tennis, hiking, biking, and gardening. Toss in a trip to a museum, the theater opera and you start to get a clear picture of the man behind the keyboard in cyberspace.

    Yes, we live a distance from each other, but please allow me reiterate that I am retired, able to travel as I please or even live where I please. Most importantly, I am far more interested in QUALITY than convenience and you represent quality in its most extreme form.

    So…please do review my profile and if the spirit moves you, I’d love to hear back from you.

    Ciao bella ….

    ~ Steve”

    * * * * * * * * * *
    AND then here’s my response back to her (written within 10 minutes), with my own editorial comments added:

    “A compliment for a lovely lady
    I LIKE THE TITS IN YOUR PICS.

    It’s a far different experience reading your profile than the norm.
    I MASTURBATED MORE TO YOUR PICS THAN MOST OTHERS.

    Your feet seem so firmly planted on terra firma. You appear to be bright and cheerful and willing to stick your toe into new and exciting waters. I like curiosity and an adventuresome spirit in a person,
    I’LL PROBABLY TRY TO TAKE YOU TO A SWINGER’S CLUB ON THE SECOND DATE.

    and of course you are just lovely with a seemingly gentle spirit and a finely honed appreciation for life’s little beauties.
    IF I COMPLIMENT YOU ENOUGH, PERHAPS YOU WON’T NOTICE MY DIMINUTIVE COCK.

    I am a cheerful, fit, fun, thoughtful, and emotionally well adjusted man.
    IT’S AMAZING WHAT PHARMACOLOGY CAN DO THESE DAYS.

    I take each day on its own merits.
    I’M SO OLD, I’M JUST HAPPY TO WAKE-UP ALIVE ON MOST DAYS.

    There is always something new to discover
    …. LIKE WHERE I PUT MY CAR KEYS …..

    and a new path to follow wherever it might lead.
    …. I FORGOT WHERE I PARKED THE BUICK AGAIN ….

    I am a curious traveler,
    …. ALWAYS WANTED TO TAKE A SEX TOUR TO THAILAND ….

    an innovative cook,
    …. HAVE TO MAKE DISHES THAT ARE DENTURE-FRIENDLY ….

    a man whose talents are now given to writing fiction
    … LIKE THIS EMAIL, AND MY PROFILE …

    and whose favorite physical activities are tennis, hiking, biking, and gardening.
    READ: LOW-IMPACT ACTIVITIES THAT DECREASE MY CHANCE OF BREAKING A HIP.

    Toss in a trip to a museum,
    MY HOUSE

    the theater opera
    I LIKE FAT WOMEN WHO SCREECH. HOPING YOU DO TOO.

    and you start to get a clear picture of the man behind the keyboard in cyberspace.
    BECAUSE I’M NOT LITERALLY GOING TO SEND YOU AN ACTUAL CLEAR PICTURE OF MYSELF.

    Yes, we live a distance from each other,
    IT EXCEEDS THE DISTANCE OF ALL MY CURRENT RESTRAINING ORDERS.

    but please allow me reiterate that I am retired,
    READ: NOT WORKING (FORCED OUT, AFTER THAT ONE E-MAIL STALKING INCIDENT).

    able to travel as I please or even live where I please.
    I’M A FUGITIVE IN 12 STATES.

    Most importantly, I am far more interested in QUALITY than convenience and you represent quality in its most extreme form.
    YOUR TIT PICS ARE BETTER THAN THE AVERAGE BEAR.

    So…please do review my profile and if the spirit moves you, I’d love to hear back from you.
    ONCE YOU STOP LAUGHING, I’D FALL OUT OF MY SCOOTER CHAIR IF I ACTUALLY EVER HEARD BACK FROM YOU

    Ciao bella,
    I STOLE THIS OFF A BAG OF BERTOLLI PASTA IN MY FREEZER.

    Steve”
    THE NAME I’M USING IN 12 STATES.

    * * * * * * * * * *
    After this, she shut-down her dating profile, fucked my brains out that week, and bought us both tickets to see an NFL game.

    Keep it real, keep it funny, and (yes) making fun of anonymous betas/omegas on a dating website can provide you LOTS of opportunities to DHV with humor etc.

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    • on June 13, 2012 at 1:00 pm Anon

      lmao

      well done

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  70. on June 12, 2012 at 8:50 pm Steve

    I don’t understand why so many people here believe making fun of and putting down ‘omegas’ is ‘alpha’ behavior. It’s one thing to use him as an example of what not to do, but when addressing an omega directly you should try and bolster the man by giving him a direct piece of advice. There are a lot of omega women out there who need these men. You should be the guy that forces them to engage, and in doing so you will earn much higher value.

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 9:19 pm Mexican Pete

      It’s good to have examples of what not to do. And sometimes, It’s hard not to chuckle: Especially since the letter-writer reminds me of me at an earlier and more beta time.

      But you’re right: Cutting down omegas is not a demonstration of higher value- It’s kicking a man when he’s down. A DHV would be dissing some NBA or NFL star to his face.

      It’s important to advise and assist omegas if you know them, and if they’re willing to listen. If we ever want a fair sexual marketplace, and a replacement fertility rate, then the Gospel of Game must be spread.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 10:29 pm The Whammer

        Yeah, listen to wizardvirgin

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    • on June 12, 2012 at 9:33 pm wizardcorpse

      that only means you’re an idiot who will never understand this. Get off this website immiditelly mangina

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 10:27 pm Steve

        I am new to this website but I’ve read it long enough to know that you are a troll with bad spelling. You should get off and go back to your terrible blog _(insert manosphere insult)_.

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      • on June 12, 2012 at 11:14 pm wizardcorpse

        okay so let’s get serious. It’s not more of making fun of someone but of citing mistakes so that OMEGAS reading this would be aware of the cons of their actions. But I do agree that if you know an omega then you must not insult them rather teach them same as the one I wrote here:
        http://wizardcorpse.com/how-can-a-geek-get-laid/
        But just becasue I agreed to some degree of what you said, doesn’t change the fact that the comment you left was as stupid as fUck, since this post was framed in such a way that is humorous and therefore will have a greater chance of being retained in your small head and will help you in life. So if this post insults 1 omega to help a hundred, then it’s a fair deal and will not desserve your insult, steve your comment proves that this line is a fact:

        “There are shadowy realms beyond which even my considerable powers of instruction cannot penetrate. Introducing a lost cause like this dude to game will only provoke a defensive reaction”

        :0)

        Chao!

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  71. on June 13, 2012 at 3:19 am Gil

    When you’re with women you’re :

    an Alpha: you chat them up, neg them and show them who’s boss.

    a Beta: you talk to them and try to be their friends hoping it’ll lead somewhere.

    an Omega: you stare at them, creeping them out and if you have the guts to communicate with them you do it indirectly (and probably get charged with stalking).

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    • on June 13, 2012 at 12:13 pm nati

      I don’t have difficulty approaching and chatting up girls. But I find negging confusing. There are many examples on this blog but transferring them to the situations and subtleties of real world game is tricky.

      When I do neg it’s usually by accident and I realize after I’ve said it. Having experienced the power of negs up close I want to be able fully incorporate it into how I talk and think and not apply them individually.

      Any help? I know it’s contrived but perhaps a ‘3 steps to constructing a quality neg’ is in order.

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 1:11 pm Mexican Pete

        It’s about mindset. Look at her, no matter how lovely she is, from a position of superiority (and you CAN acquire this state by practice). Then you’ll notice some quirk of hers you can naturally produce a neg from. There are also lists online, but quality is mixed

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 6:48 pm nati

        Can you elaborate on this?

        Negs take finesse. The only way to get past using negs clumsily is to make approaches and understand them fully.

        If a neg is a compliment that is designed to elicit insecurity from and demonstrate high value, how can you avoid negs that are too harsh and hurt their feelings/close them off or too soft and come across as the kinds of compliments used by the army of supplicating schlubs she normally talks to?

        About a third of my negs are successful in producing an indicator of interest, playful laughter, feigned offense, etc…The other two thirds close them off or make them too happy about receiving a compliment.

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      • on June 13, 2012 at 1:36 pm Merc

        Negging is a good concept, but it’s not something that needs to be constant, conscious effort. It’s more like the front-end representation of the inner confidence to say “I’m not going to compliment everything you fart out, I’m going to be honest.”

        F: “Oh you hear this song? It’s one of my favorites!”
        M: “Really? Eh, I’m not that into it. I like…”

        Completely honest opinion. Can be done with anything, on every subject. No two people are lock-step in sync on everything all the time, so just being honest about YOUR opinions can be a neg enough of hers, especially if you back it up. How “negatively” you lay it on is up to you.

        From experience in my youth I’ve noticed that the difficulty in negging (though I had never heard of the term or concept) stemmed from desperation. Just the fact that I was speaking to this “princess” was amazing to me, so god forbid I say a single word to displease her lest she dismiss me. Women understand that this is the exact OPPOSITE of the respect they “want.”

        So, maybe not a guide, to constructing on the fly negs, but how I view the concept:
        – She woke up in the morning, let out a fart, and shaved her pits like a million other girls. Nothing that special, remember that at all times.
        – Contrary opinions aren’t a challenge, they are a normal part of conversation. If SHE can’t handle it, give her the boot.
        – Unless you’re looking for a long term relationship, you don’t need anything in common except the desire to fuck each other, so never pretend to like something you don’t.

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    • on June 13, 2012 at 5:32 pm corvinus

      Just saw this, after Heartiste tagged it. Brilliant.

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  72. on June 13, 2012 at 7:20 am Introsphere roundup – Week thru June 12 | The Second Estate

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  73. on June 13, 2012 at 10:58 am walawala

    This letter illustrates a kind of fairy-tale that young women and young men growing up are fed…

    Ivanhoe, knights, all the stuff of movies….love songs….”Every breath you take”….etc all plays up the “Boy meets girl….” love story.

    The problem is that these stories are just that…stories…..and they reflect a perfect ideal that doesn’t exist or that doesnt’t take into account the biological imperative.

    A few women here in Asia have recently confessed to me that when they were working in some state-run companies…ie government owned…their “boss”….usually an older guy with a comb-over…bad clothes, a family and tons of money….would try to “seduce” them….

    One girl related to me how her “boss” would offer her lavish watches or even a car to “be his girlfriend”…

    But even in what was then a poor country….girls who had their crap together would refuse..

    Or if they were ambitious, they’d play along by taking all the gifts and stringing the old losers along by treating them like “uncle”….

    These guys never got laid without paying for it…they lacked game.

    Like this letter writer, they talked too much, they didn’t understand what women want.

    That is why the idea of giving gifts as a way of supplicating is creepy.

    Anything that makes a woman feel like she’s “perfect” before she’s earned it…is creepy.

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  74. on June 13, 2012 at 12:28 pm Doc

    One of the women I’ve bedded off and on for the last few months was telling me about, “this creepy old guy at the office” – she’s 22, and in chatting I found out he is about five years younger than I am (her guesstimate on his age). I always find such things interesting since it boils down to – if she finds you attractive…

    When I said something like, “you know I’m X”, while smiling with a raised eyebrow just to see what she would do, she instantly went on the defensive trying to back-peddle. After making her squirm for a bit, I let her off the hook by just kissing her, and telling her, “Gotcha.”

    But to a large extent, it really is a question of if a woman finds you attractive nothing else matters. Like the SNL skit on sexual harassment was making quite clear…

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  75. on June 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm Flom-flom-flooie

    I’m all in favor of helping a beta or omega in need. But keep this in mind: what makes an omega an omega is = him. The common link in all his failed efforts is = him.

    It’s important to keep this truth in mind if you intend to help a guy like that. I’ve tried to work with a former-beta, now-omega, over the last FIVE YEARS. The amount of mental baggage and rationalization that goes on in his head is astounding.

    I’ve invited him out for guys-nights-out, to watch how more-capable guys work Game. That’s failed.

    I’ve sent him short articles (top ten lists of what to-do or not-to-do). That’s failed.

    I’ve had my girlfriend talk to him about Game. That’s failed.

    I’ve initiated suggestions to him, unsolicited. That’s failed.

    I’ve waited for him to ask me for help. That’s failed.

    I’ve tried the blunt approach. That’s failed.

    I’ve tried a humorous approach. That’s failed.

    What’s happened over the five years is that his desperation has grown (and grown more noticeable), and his beta-ness has added a layer of bitterness to it. Before, he was brushed off by most girls as “nice”. Now he’s brushed off by girls as “creepy”.

    What makes him (and others) an omega is a toxic mix of: social cluelessness, acute pedestalization of women, and a mental stubborness that translates into an unwillingness to leave comfortable lies about women behind, even if it means adopting uncomfortable truths that would ultimately lead to a happier life for himself ahead.

    After spending the better part of his 30s pining for a girlfriend who dumped him (then turned around and got engaged within 6 months) and desperately chasing girls who wanted nothing to do with him, he’s now resorted to reading self-help books. But here’s the catch. Instead of reading books written for guys about improving Game, he’s resorted to reading books written FOR WOMEN about what’s wrong with THEM. In other words, “there can’t be something wrong with ME …. there must be something wrong with these GODDAMNED WOMEN!” He doesn’t want to play the Game ….. he wants to change the rules to the Game and rationalize his own failure.

    I’m all in favor of helping someone in need. But realize what you might be getting yourself into if you’re working with a dyed-in-the-wool omega. Betas may be saveable …. omegas (by definition) are probably a lost cause, unfortunately for them.

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    • on June 13, 2012 at 4:26 pm yareallypua

      Can’t shove the red pill down someone’s throat unfortunately, even if you know how much it’d help them.

      We all learn this lesson the hard way like you, trying to teach someone who hasn’t hit rock bottom yet and hasn’t said “okay this is hopeless I will try ANYTHING to fix this part of my life”. As long as they cling to that fingertip grip of “but MAYBE this will work out….” they’re hopeless.

      I think this is a big part of why when PUA went mainstream we had so many people fail at it. In the old days to learn the red pill even existed you had to have hit rock bottom so hard that you embarrassingly and desperately typed in “how do I meet girls?”. That act alone was a huge ego shattering moment of admitting you suck and being willing and open to change in whatever way was necessary to fix your situation.

      Now every men’s magazine or random blog or How I Met Your Mother episode etc has bits and pieces of “game” so there are way more “dabblers” who, like your buddy, are still clinging to old beliefs and then surprise surprise game doesn’t “work” for them because they’re one foot in, one foot out ready for it to fail so they can go back to their comforting blue pill lies and forget the Matrix exists.

      “You have to know, not fear, KNOW that one day you will die. Until you know that, you are useless.” and all that good Fight Club philosophy.

      As soon as I found this shit and how well it worked the first thing I DID was try to share it with all my buddies who I thought would embrace it because surely they must want to get laid and would be as excited about this red pill magic as I was right?

      …nope lol it’s ridiculous and insane to me but hey, some people would rather eat donuts and keep getting fat than admit they’ve been willingly living a shittier life than they need to and go hit the gym.

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  76. on June 14, 2012 at 9:33 pm SouthTX

    The Mrs. won me over by being hot. And unspoiled. Almost 23 years later, I stay with her because of her femenine nature. Girls, being a good Mom to your kids, gives you a wall pass. I ignore her emotional issues.. She knows I love her. Medical issues not included.

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    • on June 14, 2012 at 10:25 pm David Collard

      If a “wall pass” means that you are still happy with her, then my wife has a wall pass. At 51, she still looks good enough to me.

      Tip: marry a tall girl – they age better.

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      • on June 15, 2012 at 7:20 am SouthTX

        I did. She’s 5’7. “tall for the 80’s” Aged pretty well.

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      • on June 15, 2012 at 7:32 am SouthTX

        Plus it is amusing when she is a more rabid fan of fall Friday nights when our kid walks across the the field for the coin toss.

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      • on June 15, 2012 at 8:01 am David Collard

        Yeah, my missus is 5 foot 7 inches. Tits and thighs like a thirty year old still. Amazing. She has put on some weight, but I have Gamed her into getting rid of most of it.

        Her mother aged well too.

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      • on June 15, 2012 at 8:18 am David Collard

        My wife started off with good basic material though. Not too fat or thin. I saw a woman we know today. She was once delicately pretty, but not enough feminine fat in her face. She looks bad now, very worn face for a woman of her age.

        My wife also had fabulous breasts when she was young. A good size and shape, and perky. So they have worn well.

        This may seem pointless to many men. But if you marry a 25 year old, and she knows her place, has your kids, cooks and irons your shirts for 25 years, you may well still be fucking her. Libido drops a lot less than you would expect.

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  77. on June 14, 2012 at 9:50 pm SouthTX

    I may be called a true bastard. But a girl who dedicates herself to Christ and wants a family. Find a true asshole who has a spark of Christ. She is happy.I am happy. Kids are happy.

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    • on June 14, 2012 at 10:28 pm David Collard

      SouthTX, you sound a bit like me. I am a serious Christian, but I was also a very arrogant and domineering young man, and I still am a bit that way. It has never hurt with my wife one little bit.

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      • on June 15, 2012 at 7:49 am SouthTX

        No doubt on your point.

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  78. on June 14, 2012 at 10:13 pm SouthTX

    Your kids are succesful. You have passed on your genes.

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  79. on June 23, 2012 at 10:35 am disgusted

    what heartless comments. You people are what’s wrong in the day and age. You can’t see quality when it hits you on the head. Go ahead, go back to your plastic, neon, pitiful meaningless relationships.

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  80. on June 28, 2012 at 1:57 am DarkByke

    This could have been summed up as “creepy = you don’t make enough money for her”

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  81. on August 4, 2012 at 4:17 pm catalinarea

    Hey I have a question.

    I got hit on by a creepy guy recently and yet he told me that his past girlfriends have been hot even though he also was forward with them (by forward i mean that the first time we met offline he kept commenting on my ass and telling me he wants me to be his girl and that there’s “something” about my cute personality…..ew.)

    so…..how do you explain that????? Please enlighten me.

    P.S. I LOL’d tears at this post. Thank you.

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