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Are Messy Girls Easier Lays?

September 20, 2012 by CH

Reader “Trajan” opines:

You tweeted about sexual excitement lowering a women’s disgust reflex. Is there a corollary, that a women with a lower disgust reflex has a higher sex drive? More masculine perhaps. Anecdotally, chicks with messy bedrooms are easier lays than ones with well-organized bedrooms.

Female messiness — of her bedroom, her bathroom, her car, her finances, her thoughts — is a leading indicator of sexual looseness. Beam with expectant joy and grab your tumescent pride when you step into a girl’s roomful of clutter, because you, my friend, are about to rocket down orgasmic highways of limitless pleasure.

In my personal experience, there’s no doubt that messy girls are good to go. They love sex, and they love it sooner rather than later. The myth that clean freaks have a lot of repressed sexuality that will rain down on you once unleashed by some psychological schism is just that: a myth. Maybe they have repressed sexuality, but why would you want to volunteer your valuable time and energy coaxing it out of them? Skip the therapeutic endless foreplay required by anal annies and head straight for the sloppy janes.

It should go without saying that the qualities that make messy girls great lays also make them horrible girlfriends. Once you’ve tapped that a few times, you’ll be surprised how quickly you tire of her slovenliness. Disgust, while it is mitigated by sexual arousal, is still a goddamned powerful emotion. You want to lose a boner fast? Step on one of her used tampons in the bathroom that she tried to toss into the trashcan with her girly-armed throwing motion, but missed and didn’t bother picking up. This has happened to me. I spent fifteen minutes scrubbing the sole of my foot until it was raw.

And messy girls are high cheating risks. If she can’t be bothered to care about her living space, she won’t be bothered to care about pleasing you. She will be as sexually impulsive as she is spatially impulsive. A scatterbrained woman has a scatterbrained vagina.

It’s interesting to see science confirm what we all know intuitively and observationally. Women who live in squalor don’t exercise stringent self-control in other areas of their lives. Just try not to focus on the pile of skid-marked panties on her bed. It’ll kill the mood.

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  1. on September 20, 2012 at 11:58 am redpillwifey

    I can confirm this, with the exception of the cheating. And I had plenty of opportunity, but Mr. RedPill was fairly alpha and had tons of preselection going for him during that time. And I’m too stubborn to mess up a good thing, so no infidelity.

    But dirty girls do dirty things. ๐Ÿ™‚

    But I can also confirm that the messy habits can eventually be overcome, if she wants to. I mean, I’m not disinfecting the kitchen everyday, but I do a damn sight better than I did in the beginning if our marriage. That’s not to say all messy girls eventually become good wives, I’d surmise that I’m an anomaly.

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 12:09 pm RockHard

      Oh man, I know I’ve seen this in my life. The craziest, wildest sluts have the messiest bedrooms. The ones who are clean freaks are the same ones who have to go rinse with mouthwash after they go down on you, and forget about that facial.

      I think it’s the same about fussy eaters, to an extent. A girl who’s easily grossed out over food is probably not going to be giving too many sloppy blowjobs, though I’ve actually met exceptions to that rule.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 1:52 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Going to give you some golden advice, RockHard. Chicks with eating disorders–especially bulimics–are often very “fussy” about their food, but are frequently not at all fussy about…other things. And not all of them look all messed up, either. Bulimics tend to look pretty good, actually. Oh, and their gag reflexes get worn down. Connect those dots…

        How can you spot one in the wild? Well, after a couple of years of stuff n’ chuck, acid erosion will wear the bottom surfaces of the incisors into a gentle arch. If she’s still actively following the “what goes down, must come up” maxim, and hasn’t graduated to a toothbrush handle to effect the gag reflex, you may also notice some roughening of the skin on the index finger of her dominant hand. (Also a consequence of acid erosion.)

        Care and feeding: Do not neg. Eating disordered women tend to have genuinely low self-esteem when it comes to their appearance. There’s no pedestal to knock them off of.

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      • on September 23, 2012 at 7:41 pm Andrea

        Actually, bulimia does a real number on your appearance. I should know, I’ve recovered from it. Like you said, the acid erodes the teeth, which can look pretty damn nasty (fortunately, I did a good job with using baking soda, etc, so my teeth aren’t too horrible). While the person is bulimic, she’ll usually have a bloated face and often quite the pair of chipmunk cheeks. And it doesn’t necessarily keep her thin — on average, bulimics have “normal” BMIs or slightly above. I actually lost 20 pounds when I recovered.

        You are right though that they can be “easy” when it comes to sex. It’s the impulsive nature. I personally wasn’t, but of the people in my recovery program, I could tell that a few were hardcore sluts. And that was definitely NOT true of the anorexic chicks.

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  2. on September 20, 2012 at 11:59 am Chris Bechtloff

    So I guess idealy you want to find a girl whos place seems neat but her closet and drawers are a mess. Shes kinda messy but tries to hide it for social reasons. That might be the ideal ‘freak in the bedroom, lady in public’

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 1:25 pm Anon

      Nah.

      Messy place = whore.
      Neat place = run of the mill slut.

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      • on September 22, 2012 at 11:15 pm Andrea

        Not necessarily. At 20 years old, I have messy tendencies and am still (gasp) a virgin. Anecdotes don’t prove the rule, but I don’t think it’s fair to automatically assume all messy women are sluts.

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      • on September 24, 2012 at 4:59 am KidB

        Always assume girls are sluts. Game theory (actual game theory), supports this assumption.

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      • on September 24, 2012 at 5:00 am KidB

        Like John Nash game theory

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      • on September 29, 2012 at 2:48 pm wingwoman

        Not actually. I think you need to reread.

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  3. on September 20, 2012 at 12:01 pm Adam

    Sometimes I have the urge to beat off to cuckold porn. The hardcore interracial gangbang creampie kind, and as filthy as possible. But I always imagine myself as one of the guys fucking her rather than the husband in the corner. It fires off a certain dark corner of my brain that gets turned on whenever I watch painfully rough porn or rape fantasy porn.

    So yeah, I think I have a cuckold fetish… sort of? I could also by a fucking psychopath. Not trolling, though.

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 6:41 pm Thasswhatimtalkinbout

      When I was in college, I fucked a wife while her hubby watched and jacked. His fantasy. He spurted his load seconds after my cock sank into his wife’s snatch. Then the fantasy lost its allure. He sat on the edge of the bed sobbing. He was unhinged enough I worried what he might do. I got the hell out of there as fast as I could. One of weirdest sexual experiences of my life.

      But fucking wives while husbands watch can be hot as hell. That kind of amateur porn, especially when it features big black guys fucking some white wife is often textbook examples of alpha males having fun. The black dudes don’t ask wifey for anything. They tell her and she’s blissfully happy to oblige. To the extend you want to learn something from porn, this kind of porn is a lesson in how to handle girls.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 8:29 pm Adam

        Fap fap fap

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 11:32 pm Anonymous

      Naw, a “bull” fetish maybe… it’s healthier to fuck the wife than enjoy watching yours get pronged by someone else. …as long as you’re not hurting the husband and/or getting off on him, too, that is (then that’s getting freaky). It’s a cro magnon, medieval or Ghengis Khan kind of thing defeat other men and fuck their women, but not to get BDSM/gay with them.

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    • on September 23, 2012 at 2:14 am aspic

      Any porn that is not lesbian or solo = gay porn.

      Nice job, you pathetic faggots. (go eat an dicks)

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  4. on September 20, 2012 at 12:02 pm Cense

    Maybe this also correlates with ghetto mama’s and their herds of rotten crotchfruit.

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 12:17 pm Ozonator Narcosalla

      You’ve been saving that one up for a while haven’t you. ๐Ÿ™‚ I’m gonna start using it myself. Good job. “Herds of rotten crotch-fruit”. Love it.

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  5. on September 20, 2012 at 12:12 pm DiaboloBello

    My girlfriend (you can eat off her floors) and my ex-wife (Oscar the grouch) would seem to be the exceptions that prove the rule … although I suspect that in the latter case it was a symptom of her chronic depression, along with her low libido.

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  6. on September 20, 2012 at 12:37 pm Turbo

    The ex was pretty messy… and also pretty messy, if you know what I mean. Can’t think of too many neat girls I’ve dated so it’s hard to compare…

    Come to think of it, not someone I dated, but a relative of mine is like OCD-level neat and she’s only ever been with her husband… so there’s that.

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  7. on September 20, 2012 at 12:40 pm JS

    I love the site but I worry you’re running out of material. What’s next? Are girls who drive foreign cars easy lays? Are Giants fans easier lays than 49er fans? Are tall girls easier than short? Are supermarket girls easier than drug stores?

    [heartiste: n/a, n/a, no, n/a.
    hth.]

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 1:04 pm Olympius

      The “running out of material” line has been used by trolls like you since 2008.
      Check the archives.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 1:09 pm Greg Eliot

        I only come here because I’VE been running out of material.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 1:15 pm Turbo

        I’m testing out new material. I’ll be at the Chuckle Hut this whole week!

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 1:21 pm The Dude

        Heh…The Chuckle Hut. Does it become the Laugh Factory at night?

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 1:25 pm Kristen

      Fuck off

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 1:35 pm Neecy

      I’m gonna say the drug store girls are much sluttier than the supermarlket girls. Bevause the drug store girl is looking for something quick and easy. She doesn’t feel like spending time searching for everything she needs. usually its in and out.

      The suprmarket girl is taking her time to find all of what she needs and is usually not there for a “quickie” buy. HTH!

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 1:56 pm Kristen

        Hi Neecy,

        nice to see you here again ๐Ÿ™‚ How are you doing?

        M.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 2:01 pm Neecy

        *waving* Hey GIRL!!! I like to pop in from time to time!!

        i’m doing ok. this has been a turbulent year for me but its getting better already ๐Ÿ™‚ Good things are finally happening. Thanks for asking. And i hope all is well with you?

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 2:14 pm Kristen

        I’m fine ๐Ÿ™‚ I still like this blog, of course … but otherwise I’m OK. I’m glad you’re feeling well, I see it on your very pretty new profile picture!

        xoxo

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 2:46 pm Neecy

        Aww thank you so sweet!!!

        And yes we gals here have come to terms with the fact that yes we love this blog in all of its high testosterone glory and even in times when we wanna kill some of the commenters(including our beloved host), scratch thier eyeballs out and scream – we can’t stay away! ๐Ÿ™‚

        [heartiste: sounds codependent.]

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 3:07 pm Kristen

        Haha, Heartiste, we loooove you *

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 7:17 pm Neecy

        Dammit you got me Heartiste! ๐Ÿ˜›

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 8:20 pm Olympius

        “scratch thier eyeballs out and scream โ€“ we canโ€™t stay away! ”

        I first understood that you wanted to suck our balls and scream, but it suddenly didn’t make any sense.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 8:41 pm Neecy

        ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ˜ฏ :twsited: ๐Ÿ˜•

        Yeah that’d be a pretty hard thing to accomplish at one time. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 1:46 pm The Dude

      The easiest lay when it comes to football teams is Cleveland Browns fans. They have the lowest self esteem and standards. Problem is they are also from Cleveland.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 5:52 pm Simon Corso

        I dunno , I once had a cowgirl fly across the room attach herself to my face and try to lay her eggs in my head.

        Had to retire the Aikman jersey after that.

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 6:06 pm GeishaKate

      Heartiste can make anything interesting. I look forward to the Lays vs. Pringles girl article ๐Ÿ˜‰ The modern man’s Scylla and Charybdis. Penelope awaits!

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  8. on September 20, 2012 at 12:41 pm Greg Eliot

    I have it on good authority that Martha Stewart would absolutely rock your world.

    Anyone who takes pains to fold a dinner napkin into a mini-replica of Versailles is certainly going to perfect the boudoir arts as well.

    All fun aside, I’ve found this to be true… the so-called anal annies are the women who still care about pleasing others, and often their men foremost.

    The sloppy broads are the egocentric ones who don’t reach over and lift the car door button.

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 1:15 pm The Dude

      Yeah the sloppy broads may give it away easily…but the clean ones give it away better. It must get down to quality or quantity to guys.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 3:31 pm evilalpha

        I agree. There is a precision to neat girls that carries over to the bed room…especially blow jobs. Sloppy girls will devour your cock as if it were a Philadelphia hoagie. Where your cum ends up is a mystery. It could be in her hair… on the sheets.. on the ceiling.. or on the floor… which you will then slip on later while going to the bathroom.

        Neat girls will suck you off with precision of a solider cleaning his rifle. And your jizz will always enter her mouth, either ending up in her stomach, or in a bath towel.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 3:35 pm Greg Eliot

        Most droll!

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      • on September 21, 2012 at 2:02 am gaoxiaen

        That’s a Philly cheese steak (or cheesesteak). You don’t need to say sandwich, They have hogies all over PA.

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 2:36 pm gunslingergregi

      the car door a test that works

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  9. on September 20, 2012 at 12:44 pm NoNameForThisOne

    Off-topic, concerning cuckold fetishism

    ร€ friend of mine is a sperm donor extraordinaire. Although willfully unemployed he has found himself a niche where he can impregnate as many women as possible. He must number well over the 100 children by now.

    He, though smart and likeable, isn’t really, what’s the term, future oriented. He never wonders what will happen down the road, if you impregnate dozens and dozens of women. Anyway, that’s his problem. He chose his hell and will someday learn donating around isn’t very wise. But he’ll always have the memories, like this one.

    I’ve told him repeatedly that most of the people on the net surfing for donors couldn’t be your everyday kind of normal reasoning people; his clientele ranges from, among other things, older spinsters to asexuals and from lesbian couples to married couples who can’t (or don’t want to) do the trick.

    Anyway, as I said, he’s a donor extraordinaire and is being contacted from a website, he once owned, by people from foreign countries. He’s been to Spain, Kenya, Germany, Belgium, several other countries and South Africa. The latter country is where he met a couple who were out of love. The woman, an aging model, and her slightly younger douchebag pushy husband who only liked money more than sleeping around. Anyway, somehow these broken people decided their marriage needed saving by having another child.

    What better way to think of than… yes, a sperm donor! Now, there’s one reason why there’s so much sperm bank by-passing these days. It’s a gateway for guys who can’t laid and older spinsters to have some sex on the side. This is how my friend gets most of his lays — and probably why he does it.

    Now get this: the SA couple wanted him to come to SA, all paid for by them, to impregnate the cougar. Why the cheating douche didn’t, I don’t know and it doesn’t really matter. The douche, cougar and donor got into a talk and the douche actually asked the donor to fuck his cougar wife. He liked it better if his child would be conceived ‘normally’ — not through supposedly abnormal IVF…

    My friend, amoral and horny, decided to go ahead, and indeed went upstairs to fuck the woman, which he did. The cougar wanted a bit of foreplay, and they didn’t get down to business immediately; suddenly the douche came into the room “to get something” 15 minutes later he came in again, looking at his wife being fucked by my donor friend.

    My friend stayed for over a week and in this week he had sex multiple times with the woman, just so she could get the chance of pregnancy up. Everytime they had sex, the douche came in to get something, snoop around or stare at the spectacle.

    After his strange trip he told me the absurd story and wondered what kind of freak would do such a thing. I told him, my boy, you’ve been set up by a cuckold fetishist.

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 2:44 pm YaReally

      lol two things:

      1) I’ve turned down the “bang my wife” scenario a few times for that reason. The dude always says he’ll stay downstairs or whatever but you know for sure their move is that he’ll need to get something from the room and they just hope you’re too into banging to freak out on them and just let it happen.

      That in itself isn’t horrible, I don’t mind an audience or I wouldn’t fuck girls public lol but in a lot of cases the dude is going to try to join in and then it’s weird unless you’re into the MFM 3-some thing (not me, even if the guy keeps his junk to himself, eww).

      The other trap is the wife who wants to get gangbanged by a bunch of dudes. But then you get there and the wife “will be right down, she wants us to be naked and hard for her” or whatever and then when you guys are naked and dude gets too close you realize oh hey, there IS no wife. Lol. I’ve known a couple guys who fell for that one.

      Some of them are legit and won’t try to join in and just get off on being cuckolded but you gotta be careful and watch for the red flags.

      2) I’d like to have offspring from a primal urge to reproduce and all, but I don’t want to raise it or settle with a woman to raise it. I’ve read that in North America, even an anonnymous donor clinic guy can be forced to pay child support if it’s in the best interest of the child. That’s fucked up to me and not worth the risk.

      I hadn’t thought about going foreign, but legally maybe that’s the way to go, like your friend. Interesting…maybe it’s time to start reading Roosh’s books.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 2:50 pm Greg Eliot

        The other trap is the wife who wants to get gangbanged by a bunch of dudes. But then you get there and the wife โ€œwill be right down, she wants us to be naked and hard for herโ€ or whatever and then when you guys are naked…

        And then suddenly a giant negro bursts through the door with a machete, shouting “I’M GONNA KILL YOU MUTHERFUGGIN’ WHITE BOYS!!!”, and, like, it’s a free-for-all trying to dive out the window.

        I hate when that happens.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 11:40 pm Anonymous

        Yeah, fucks up the entire evening…

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 3:37 pm evilalpha

        No need to turn down the scenario. Just use a hotel room and a camera phone and have him wait in the lobby.

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  10. on September 20, 2012 at 12:44 pm MattDamon

    I’d confirm the theory. My wife and exes who were obsessed with tidiness were a bore in bed; messy chicks were a joy to fuck.

    Never drew a line myself, but will totally use it now!

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  11. on September 20, 2012 at 12:49 pm Ollie

    5 minutes of Alpha…..
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2206075/Women-nostalgic-men-sex-ex–THIRD-saying-sex-past-partner-better.html

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 1:00 pm Greg Eliot

      For most women, imagining what they once had, or what they’re going to be getting, holds more mental cache than what they now have.

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 11:41 pm Anonymous

      Why a lower partner count is better.

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  12. on September 20, 2012 at 12:50 pm Ollie

    The wall spare no woman:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2206149/Demi-Moore-strikes-worrying-figure-displays-frail-frame-white-minidress.html

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 12:54 pm The Man Who Was . . .

      Too bad all the daughters look like Bruce.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 5:17 pm Starets

        A woman’s knees always show her age. Take a look at Demi’s in those photos. The over-cap sag.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 9:05 pm Just a Girl

        I read somewhere that older women can save face a little by wearing small nude fishnet stockings when she would have gone barelegged as a younger woman. What do you Men think?

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 2:01 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      I think she looks really good for 49. Needs to eat a sandwich, though.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 2:26 pm Lara

        Her hair is too long, for her age, and she is too skinny. Other than those two things, she looks good.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 2:42 pm Greg Eliot

        The shell-shocked look is in this year.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 2:42 pm Neecy

        Yes her face still looks a little youthful but some added weight will plump her face up and give her a much more youthful look. And her hair is still shiny with sheen and long which is also a very youthful trait. I agree she needs to add some weight to her frame. I think something older women do to thier own detriment is get too skinny and it turns thier faces gaunt which makes them look older.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 2:56 pm Kristen

        I don’t know … When you’re older it’s not so easy to put fat on your face. It usually ends on your stomach, not on the face and if it ends on the face you get double chin not plump cheeks. Also, I don’t think she’s that skinny – she’s just normal for a woman her age – her calves are wasted and her knees look old, but that’s how it is …

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 3:50 pm Lara

        True. After a certain age, you need to chose between your face or your body.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 6:22 pm Lily

        Nah. I interned at a “Health Center” which turned out to be more like a spa and offered cosmetic procedures. The nurse practitioners there (all of them women in their 40s and 50s) advised to keep your body slim and trim, and they used Juvederm and other fluid gels to fill out the hollow of their cheeks, laughing lines and so on. The effects last 8-11 months and don’t freeze your face. Their motto was- Botox above the cheekbones, fillers bellow. None of them were models to begin with, but all of them looked much younger than their ages, like 10-12 years younger.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 7:22 pm Neecy

        Didn’t think of that. yeah the weight gain may go to oher places she doesn’t want or NEED it to go.

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 2:40 pm sharpcool

      Mayyyybe she is too skinny. I’ll take that over you chubby frumpsters any day of the week though. I notice women are very quick to call out another woman’s supposedly too thin body. Her hair isn’t too long either. It looks nice.

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  13. on September 20, 2012 at 12:52 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Liberals have messier rooms than conservatives:
    http://www.bakadesuyo.com/can-you-tell-a-conservative-from-a-liberal-by

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  14. on September 20, 2012 at 12:55 pm Bwana Simba

    Not always true. I know a few “super conservative” girls who used to be super neat but were well known as attention whores and sluts on campus. They did all eventually get really messy (rooms wise, they kept themselves clean) so maybe sluttiness leads to a lack of cleanliness, at least when it comes to their own living spaces.

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 1:09 pm Dr. Zoidberg

      Yeah, its a myth. I was hooking up with the most conservative girl at school – president of the federalist society, immaculately NOVA dressed in pastel Polo sweaters and matching accessories, etc. Her apartment looked like a hurricane blew through it. All the hippie chicks since then always had very well kept places.

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  15. on September 20, 2012 at 1:04 pm The Dude

    There’s probably some corollary between a gal not respecting herself that she won’t care to have a presentable place. The gals with low self esteem put out the most easily.

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 1:25 pm Kristen

      +1

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  16. on September 20, 2012 at 2:06 pm The Dude

    On an unrelated subject to this, but to the whole idea of game in general…I’d like to talk about dancing and why guys how are looking for confidence should consider looking into lessons.

    What I’ve learned from dancing is that as the man…you are the lead. You direct the dance and the female has to follow. If you let her start getting out of control by directing how the dance is going to go, it will mess the dance up. If you think too much, are indecisive, or apologize for screwing up…it will mess up the dance. Once you know what you are doing, it’s like a confidence gold mine. The best moments I’ve had is telling a gal “no” when she tries to do her own thing or when the lady lights up because I lead well. That confidence has spilled out into the rest of my life.

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 2:09 pm Greg Eliot

      ^^^ This, in spades.

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      • on September 21, 2012 at 4:55 am King A (Matthew King)

        Why do you have to bring race into everything?

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      • on September 21, 2012 at 1:54 pm Greg Eliot

        Heh… sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 2:11 pm The Dude

      You can also tell the beta males from the alpha males dancing. It doesn’t even matter the sexuality of the male either. I’ve seen women react differently from how they dance with the confident gay male instructor versus a weaker straight male who facilitates to them.

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  17. on September 20, 2012 at 2:15 pm jynxi

    Gentlemen, you are what you eat.

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  18. on September 20, 2012 at 2:20 pm LS

    Easy girls are messier lays.

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  19. on September 20, 2012 at 2:28 pm jarl

    By this reasoning, a surgeon would be the sluttiest possible woman. She has the testosterone drive of a man jaw lawyer chick, but has also been thoroughly desensitized to all manner of disgusting situations. So, are female surgeons the most likely to be gangbang queens?

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 2:36 pm Turbo

      One of the hottest lays I’ve ever had was a doctor. At least I think she was a doctor. Well, she examined me pretty thoroughly at any rate.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 2:41 pm Greg Eliot

        She left his prostate prostrate.

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  20. on September 20, 2012 at 2:42 pm gunslingergregi

    ho’s houses tend to be fucked up but they clean mine well

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  21. on September 20, 2012 at 2:47 pm Winston

    This post couldn’t be any more timely. Notched last night with a scatterbrained 8 from OkCupid who explicitly called out her messiness in her profile. Two drinks later and a few changes of venues, she’s screaming in my ear. I love science.

    She had a massive change in personality after the lay though and I could tell she was beating herself up about putting out so soon. Not sure how date #2 (if there is one) will go down now. Curious if readers here have advice on how to handle this 1st night lay remorse thing (this has happened to me a few times now).

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  22. on September 20, 2012 at 2:50 pm gunslingergregi

    wife cleans the fuck out of the house and my dick still loves her but yea living nasty ain’t worth it just got to set standards for your woman to live up to guide them in the direction of what you want if they want to be with you they will approval seek.

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  23. on September 20, 2012 at 2:52 pm gunslingergregi

    course easier when they do it on there own neither one of my wives started out knowing how to cook clean but they perfected it for me by putting in the effort

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  24. on September 20, 2012 at 2:56 pm Phinn

    The hottest lays is the one with an insanely messy bedroom/bathroom/closet (or other private living area), but who still manages to emerge from her pigsty looking polished and effortlessly chic.

    Phinn’s Law #18: The greater the contrast between (a) the messiness of a woman’s private environment and (b) the cleanliness and polished sharpness of her person when out in public, the more vigorous her pounding will be on your cock.

    These women have the social sense to know that looking sharp (but not too uptight) is what gets them male attention. They’re not frigid. They’re putting it out there.

    The secret messiness, however, is a key component of her life and mind. She will diligently maintain this one private area as a sloppy hellhole, even when she has the opportunity to clean it up, even when she’s otherwise organized and together in other areas of her life.

    Sometimes it’s a bathroom that looks like Huns have been using it. Sometimes it’s laundry that gets piled on her bed when she’s not sleeping in it, then the whole pile gets moved to the chair or floor when she wants to use the bed to sleep in (or she will sleep alongside a mish-mash of both clean and dirty clothes). Sometimes it’s a closet that is crammed with crap like an inmate at an insane asylum. Sometimes it’s only a drawer or box or area of a garage, but she keeps it filled with totally random crap.

    It’s her crazy space.

    This crazy space is an outward manifestation of a crazy part of her brain. It’s her nagging whirlwind of out-of-control emotion. It’s her uncontrollable need to fuck like a wild animal, manifest in symbolic form as a disgusting bathroom sink, or whatever. She wants to preserve this area, but also wants to keep it hidden from view from most people.

    When you hook up with a woman like this, let her keep her crazy space. Your cock will thank you.

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 3:15 pm Harry Morgan

      Astute. I knew a girl who had a very tidy apt and was always made up and dressed nicely in public, but her bedroom was constantly a a garbage dump of clean/dirty clothes piles. I made her gush off her balcony onto the neighbors’ terraces below in full view of every other building on the block.

      Undercover freaks indeed.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 3:24 pm Greg Eliot

        That was YOU?!!!

        Grrrrr… you owe me two cacti plants.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 9:12 pm Harry Morgan

        Nah, the show totally made up for it.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 9:47 pm Greg Eliot

        Parallax view, bro… events don’t show the same from all angles.

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      • on September 21, 2012 at 9:18 am abcdefg

        i’m naturally messy, but i keep any shared space clean. one former roommate was a disgusting pig in our common space, but her bedroom was immaculate. she was abrasive, inconsiderate, and not slutty. i’d watch out for any girl like that

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      • on September 21, 2012 at 10:07 am Phinn

        Yeah, that’s the opposite of the dynamic I was talking about — a slob in public but a neat freak in private? That’s not someone I’d want to get involved with, in any capacity.

        The “public” sphere includes one’s personal appearance and grooming, the outer rooms of one’s apartment, the exterior of your house, the outside of your car, etc. These things are a reflection of how you want people to see you.

        Being a personally and publicly sloppy (hair, nails, clothes, living room, car, etc.) is a way of saying “fuck you” to people. This is someone who wants to be seen as tough, and hostile to other people’s opinions. This is not an agreeable person.

        Private spaces have a completely different psychological dimension. The interior of your car, your bathroom, closet, storage areas, etc. They are a reflection of how you see yourself.

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  25. on September 20, 2012 at 6:12 pm Lily

    Faulty premises. It’s not whether her bedroom/bathroom/house is messy or not. It’s whether or not she is shameless enough to allow people to see it. Many, MANY more girls are pigs than you’ll ever know. And a lot of those women would die if you ever saw the state of their bathroom at rest, and they feel compelled to clean any time the air conditioner repair guy or a colleague might stop by, let alone a romantic prospect. But a girl who is shameless about her mess is a lot more likely to be a shameless slut too.

    Side note: sometimes when a woman turns you away from her door when you had every reason to expect an invitation, it’s because she just remembered that she forgot to clean up her pigsty. That’s when a date would turn weird at the very end. Or if she was planning on this night being the night and something in her schedule prevented her from cleaning up as she planned, the date will start out with a weird feel as she freaks out about giving you the wrong idea with the unexpected cold shoulder, but finds it impossible to let you see her messy bedroom. It’s kind of like a girl turning cold because she remembers she forgot to shave her legs, all of a sudden. Or her plans to sleep with you tonight had been foiled by her waxing appointment being postponed through no fault of her own, and she just doesn’t know what to do.

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 6:41 pm Harry Morgan

      Plausable. It would explain some end-of-date weirdness I’ve run into; but then perhaps that’s just my own hamster placating me.

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      • on September 20, 2012 at 7:41 pm Lily

        One thing I dislike about these game blogs is their brushing over the incredible complexity of human condition. Even the most shallow, predictable bimbo can have hundreds of reasons for acting a certain way. Her possible reasons might be shallow and stupid, but they are still many.

        I don’t know why you experienced end-of-date weirdness, Harry Morgan. Maybe you did something wrong and your “game” was off. Or maybe she just remembered that she has a large pimple on her ass. Or the song that just played on the radio is from the last episode of Law and Order she watched, and now that she looks at you closer, you are cute and blond just like that fictional killer on TV, yesterday. Or she might have quit smoking last week, and the cravings for a cigarette had really gotten to her by the end of your date. Or she’s experiencing gas all of a sudden and needs you to get the hell away so she could fart in peace this evening.The boring, trite possibilities are endless.

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    • on September 20, 2012 at 8:06 pm Bluto

      Yes Lily, there are a lot of reasons that a female will appear to reject a man and many young inexperienced boys always think it had something to do with themselves. The girl may be getting her period and doesn’t want to tell you that, and btw, when a female likes a man she will never talk about periods or any bodily function. Or the girl may have diarrhea from that dinner you just paid for. Never go on dates that involve dinner if you want to get laid. Aside from feeling bloated her breath will stink from food esp. that Indian crap or stuff with garlic or onions.Invite her for a drink at 11pm.
      There are plenty of other reasons too that have nothing to do with you that she’ll forgo se. I’ll let Lily take over.

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  26. on September 20, 2012 at 7:32 pm Anonymous

    A messy chick digs anal… with the your best friend, brother and father, too.

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  27. on September 20, 2012 at 7:55 pm Bluto

    We must have different ideas about what constitutes messiness. What you described seems like some crack whore living in the ‘hood and in that case then yes she will put out but I doubt that you’d want it. If you’re going to judge whether a girl puts out based on messiness then you’re going to have to be more reasonable.More like if she leaves some dirty dishes in the sink or her car is unwashed because no girl that you would want to shag lives in a shithole.

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  28. on September 20, 2012 at 8:09 pm Bluto

    I don’t care how hot some girl may be, if her house looks like a mess I’m leaving.

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  29. on September 20, 2012 at 8:11 pm Darius Jackson

    “Pile of skid marked panties…” Like thats a bad thing?

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  30. on September 21, 2012 at 1:54 am gaoxiaen

    Seems empirically true to me. On the other hand, many OCD neat freaks are pretty enthusiastic when it comes to B&D or anal, as all of them that I’ve fucked are ready for something new. Besides,as long as they tolerate my messiness, I can deal with theirs.

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  31. on September 22, 2012 at 8:31 pm Brute

    Skip the therapeutic endless foreplay required by anal annies and head straight for the sloppy janes.

    Whoa, whoa, whoa. Anal annie is getting pounded, pile driver Texas oilman style. Sloppy chick is getting stuffed into the shower.

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  34. on September 23, 2012 at 9:40 am Gentle

    That depends, really. My girlfriend has strict, christian parents. Her room is tidy as fuck, and she writes every appointment, including dates in her notebook as if she had autism.

    She lost her virginity at 14, dated a 25 year old guy at 16, has had a one-night stand and a scout camp, and is now in a monogamous relationship with me. She begged me to do her anally. She’s a ginger, if that’s relevant.

    You do the math.

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