I’m not surprised by how many out-of-shape vegetarians waddle among us. Since most vegetarians are women, this means I’m not surprised by how many self-declared vegetarian women are dumpy. The media-pushed image of the slender vegetarian woman is far from the reailty.
Is it because fat women are more likely to adopt vegetarianism to lose weight? No. Fat women are more likely to continue eating whatever is put in front of them. The real reason so many self-righteous and putatively health-conscious vegetarian women are chubby is because they substitute their hated meat with a much worse food-based product: sugar.
You may as well call vegetarians “sugartarians”, or “pastatarians”. Spend any amount of time eating with a vegetarian and you’ll see that they don’t actually eat all that many vegetables. What they eat in place of meat is a lot of pasta, chips, noodles, rice, beans, cereal (oh lord, do they eat a lot of cereal), bread and pretzels. In other words, they have replaced an under-appreciated fat and protein source with an inordinate amount of simple, high glycemic carbs. Result: bloat.
Vegetarians should get off their high horses and realize that the pasta they shovel down their gullets is worse for their health and looks than the T-bone steak they claim is the root of evil and the gender pay gap. A healthy meat-eater like a paleo dieter probably eats more real veggies than a zealous vegetarian. And they look better, too. That suggests one tactic for moving the lemming sex away from a stupid status whoring trend: impress upon women how their sanctimonious diet is ruining their looks. They’ll stampede for the exits.
I somewhat agree and certainly made the same observations as presented above. BUT as a 10 year vegetarian, I feel obliged to be counted as such. 6ft 1″ 240lbs, decent health etc… It CAN be done, just as you say most people stop ‘eating meat’ but start eating sugars and refined carbs. Puffy, pale, bloaty, cranky….sounds familiar right? Menopause in dietary form lol
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6ft 1, 240 lb is overweight man, if you are a man, 6ft1, u should be like 180-190pounds.
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actually you are moderately obese according to BMI
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I would suggest further research on the BMI fallacy, dude. It applies as a rule of thumb, not an absolute prescription. I just happen to be moderately well muscled. 240lbs is 106kg give or take which is fine for 1.85m of body length. There’s a guy at hockey training who’s 5ft 11″ and weighs about 112kg, and he’s as fit and mobile as anyone else on the team.
NB: I train for strength and vigour, not cut abs or low body fat…horses for courses.
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I’m guessing you missed out on World Vegetarian Day and all its sickly glory, then?
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lozozlzz I didn’t need game to land your wife either lzozlzlz–GBFM
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Is that you, Dark Samurai?
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I see you’ve hanging out over there on Dalrock with all those good Christian men. You need to stay over here where you’re respected and appreciated.
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But men care about what’s inside the most.
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they’re all pink where it really matters.
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That’s right. Pink inside. And juicy.
We are talking about medium rare steak, right boys?
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You’re overcooking your steak.
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Even worse than sugartarians, they are HIGHFRUCTOSECORNSYRUPITARIANS
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The self-proclaimed paleo dieting females I have encountered are most more feminine and slender than the self-proclaimed vegetarians. Timely post.
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You give me a pile of flabby 6s and after paleo and weight training you get 8s and 7.5 butterfaces. The world needs to know.
A chick who eats paleo knows how to cook too. That’s baseline for relationship material.
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My girl eats a high protein diet with low carbs and looks amazing
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vegetarianism should be child-abuse
“Supposedly this movie has a scene that even the most disgust-tolerant moral reprobates can’t sit through. ”
disgust, fascination, study, rationalization, normalization
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Vegetarianism is like Yoga, in that women who are attractive anyway (and therefore the most fad-sensitive) self-select towards it, and less attractive women follow. The difference is vegetarianism lacks the peer pressure necessary to drum out the fatties. The result is a more, um, “robust” slice of the female gender.
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The problem is, yoga is almost always a healthy option for women, fat or thin. The ugly followers benefit as much as their more attractive trend-setting counterparts. On the other hand, if pursued by the wrong person (ie. someone with a poor metabolism or a propensity for binge eating), vegetarianism can be disastrous.
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Actually, many of the female vegetarians I’ve met have not only been skinny, they have protein deficiency, which shows in theiir faces
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I’ve noticed a lot of chicks who do specialized diets also tend to show signs of having eating disorders. I know a girl who is allergic to many kinds of fruit and vegetables, but is now a gluten-free vegan. She can barely eat anything now, and if she happens to eat the wrong food she could end up in the hospital due to an allergic reaction. She’s stick-thin, really pale, and has been very ill the past year or so (Including bone and joint problems I’ve only heard of senior citizens getting). Of course if she ate a cheeseburger she’d probably feel a lot better, but it’s more important to her to be thin and a walking petri dish than to have her health.
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I have to admit I have never seen any fat vegetarian women. I have seen many very skinny ones. I showed a picture of one to a woman I know and she said, “Protein deficiency.” I didn’t realize that until she pointed it out to me, and when she did, it was obvious the woman suffered from long-term protein deficiency.
Significantly, she finally found a guy when in her 40s, and suddenly started eating meat and put on weight.
It reminded me of “The Road to Wellvillle,” in which the author suggested people obsessed with “pure” eating have relationship, emotional and sexual problems.
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Yeah, I always noticed a correlation between special diets (Not health-related) and high-conflict/crazy behavior. Can you elaborate a bit more?
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“Yeah, I always noticed a correlation between special diets (Not health-related) and high-conflict/crazy behavior.”
Cosigned.
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I live in one of the ‘alternative’ capitals of the US, veggies everywhere. Most of ’em look like they’re in the final stages of flesh-eating disease. Many of them Lez or just batshit nuts. Or both.
Reasons: Incomplete protein, not enough food. They shop at the health food stores – of course, everyone else is ‘evil’ – but can’t afford full meals because everything in health food stores costs triple.
I’m about the most animal-friendly person you will ever meet, but fact remains that humans were designed as omnivores.
Paleo Man (and Woman) got game (meat) prolly ’bout 2-3 times a month, and made it last for several days, then it was back to nuts, fruit, grains and roots.
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This. I had a vegan tell me once that humans were made to only eat plants. If that’s the case, then why are (Most people) able to process meat and dairy? And why do people look so much healthier when they have meat in their diet? And why do we have canine teeth, which are used for chewing up meat?
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“had a vegan tell me once that humans were made to only eat plants.”
A comedian once made the comment that vegetarians kill to eat – they just kill things that can’t run away.
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if you wanted to do a global population study I’d say we’re talking about 40% of humans live day to day as mostly or complete vegetarians, some are of course first worlders but many many 2nd world Asians are culturally vegetarian verging on vegan and have been for centuries.
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Bob, I live in the Vancouver, B.C. area and regularly visit Seattle and Portland. All three places have fat female vegetarians, lots of them. Exactly why they are fat and what role sugar plays in their diet I am not totally clear on, but I have met literally dozens of them, so as for their existence, that’s a fact, Jack. Er, Bob.
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She isn’t allergic to anything. A high percentage of allergies seem to be personal food taboos. And it’s always white people.
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White people have hyperactive immune systems. We are descendants of the people who survived the plagues of europe.
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Two cents worth: Quite a few of my fellow yogis are vegetarians. We work off the bloat with intensity of practice. Over time we start eating less because we ain’t as hungry as we used to be. Some of us go back to eating meat because our bodies start looking sickly thin. Bikram of Bikram yoga fame eats only meat. He is in his mid-60s and looks not a day older than mid-40s. His followers on the other hand … are mere followers.
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I am a yoga practitioner and also a vegetarian. Most people who practice seriously eventually adopt a more or less sattvic diet for either religious or health purposes. They are almost never fat.
The secret of maintaining a lean physique, whether paleo, vegetarian or somewhere in between, is to consume lots of healthy proteins, fresh fruits and vegetables, and to avoid overeating and eating processed “fake” foods. It’s that simple. Everything else is just fad.
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Agreed.
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your name should be The Vain Yogini
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Damn straight. Many vegetarian chicks are fat. Especially the “raw vegan/fruitatarian” west coast chicks, who almost always have a muffin top rolling over their Lululemon yoga pants. Even the ones that look decent with clothing on are often “skinny-fat,” with no muscle mass, and have saggy skin & tits, and a droopy ass once you get them naked. Made that mistake a few times.
Most vegetarian chicks who eat a lot of carbs also smell bad, in that vaginal yeasty sort of way. Too many carbs feed that yeast. I can’t take the proseletyzing and attempts to lay a guilt trip, so I do not pass go when I find out a chick is vegetarian, or if I do, I put even less effort into it than usual.
The paleo chix are by far the best physically. I dated a single mom for a minute who was into the P90X and ate paleo… an amazing hardbody, who was tight everywhere even after a few rounds of childbirth and breastfeeding.
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In grad school, I was surrounded by some of the most unhealthy looking people I’ve ever encountered. In fact, someone should add that to the 100 reasons NOT to go to grad school: http://100rsns.blogspot.com/
A lot of grad students were vegans. The university neighborhood was full of vegetarian and vegan restaurants. I couldn’t get over how dumpy the places looked; they seemed to match the character of their customers.
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“Definition of a vegetarian: one who seeks a corresponding diet.” — Nietzsche, Ecce Homo
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“Vegetarians are cool-all I eat are vegetarians, except for the occasional mountain lion steak.” ~Ted Nugent.
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I read an article last week from what seemed like an ultra liberal professor that showed intense hatred for paleo dieters. He never got outright political but his references to the agrarian wheat eaters sharing “a plentiful renewable resource” over those “who would destroy the earth” was political enough for me. I knew what side he votes on and the article convinced me to eat less “democratic grain”.
He did say that grain eating goes back several hundred thousand years and made a reference to women being the main food providers because meat couldn’t be caught every day supposedly.
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Yea, he’s wrong. Grain-eating probably didn’t occur anywhere prior to ~13,000BC in what is now Israel and Jordan.
Reason human groups turned to grains & vegetables: scarcity of meat.
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I’m convinced there are enzymes or some damn thing in meat which shapes our thought processes along more natural and sane lines… and you can tell immediately those that aren’t getting them in their diet after a few minutes of conversation and/or observation of behavior.
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This is a very astute observation. It’s even more observable in children. Vegetarian & vegan children tend to be shy, avoidant, withdrawn, tend towards emotional outbursts.
The paleo kids I know (raised by paleo parents, of course) tend to be more brave, athletic, outgoing, easygoing, and relaxed. Sometimes they’re little terrors because they’re so energetic, but no one can accuse them of being shrinking violets.
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Absolutely.
I have a friend with three happy, bright, personable young carnivorous children. And I have a cousin with three children on whom she has imposed her vegetarianism — one boy is preferring theater to football, another is an autistic computer geek at 7, and the girl already has a weight problem.
Man, leftism is fucking people up!
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Leftism fucking people up – I can believe that. But I am not sure about cause and effect. Maybe people who are already fucked up become lefties? And it is not obvious where vegetarianism comes in, cause, effect or in parallel with other stuff..
Thor
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Yeah. I totally agree. I mean, I don’t have children, so I sure don’t feel like I should be telling people how to raise theirs, but I totally understand what you are saying. I think it is wrong to make your children be vegetarians, simply because it should be their choice. I just watched “About a Boy,” with Hugh Grant, in which he befriends the son of this hippie lady. The hippie lady is imposing her vegetarianism on her son, telling him that she will be “VERY disappointed” if he goes to McDonalds. Of course, this lady is also mentally unstable, and tries to commit suicide, so maybe the problems have more to do with the parent then the vegetarianism.
Personally, I think that if you are going to be a vegetarian, you can choose to not cook meat for your children, but that you should let them order meat when you go out to restaurants. Some vegetarians are repulsed by meat, and don’t want to cook it, but they should let their children eat it when they go to friend’s houses, dinner out, etc.
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What is this “leftism?” You seem to think of yourself as hardy realists, why can’t /won’t you talk in concrete, real terms? If you want to shut down Social Security and feed your parents yourselves, why not just say so?
If I want to, say, cut the military budget in half, I’ll just say so. I hear here an endless echo chamber with “left” librul” “conservative” ranting and it really leaves nothing to talk about, except saying the same words over and over again, ill-defined.
Why this speaking in code which has no common meaning?
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We use leftism in the broader sense to refer to the totalitarian cult of equality and fairness pushed by Jews and peopled by SWPLs, uppity wogs, queers, fatties, and betas.
I myself would chop the military budget.
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Strictly speaking, you are right. Political opinions are multi-dimensional. However, in most Western countries, one of the main axes constitutes what we call the left-right axis. It has less descriptive (and even less explanatory) power than most people think, but it has enough descriptive power to be useful. Loosely, the Left
Wants high government involvement, and a robust social safety net
Much business regulation, or businesses owned by the government
Less military spending (this was different back in say the 1940s)
Are secular
And the “right” goes the other way.
BUT, especially in combination with a two-party system (which in turn
follows from single-winner constituencies), there is more to it than that.
Precisely because of the two party system,
both major parties become fairly large tents, with lots of dissension within each party.
But most people DO have a rough and pretty good idea what is meant by “the Left” and “the Right”.
Thor
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Guys, guys, guys… don’t you know it’s a standard smarm-debate tactic to put you on the defensive, this ‘asking for definitions’ about what everyone already knows (or at least senses), but may not be so simply put into words?
Mostly used by Jews, but invariably by all lefties… I’ve seen it dozens of times way before the internet was available… and now it’s ubiquitous, as if it’s part of the standard curriculum.
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Quite so, but there’s no real threat. We have the secure frame here; we are not plunged into anxiety by anxious demands for ‘definitions’ of the obvious.
The loathsome creature was merely attempting to obfuscate the social disasters wrought by ‘progressives’, their kind that is, by shifting semantically to the consequences of strict Republican economic policy, utterly blind to the fact that we are not Republicans, it seems. In short, imposing a category error to take the heat off his/her back.
Similar to the beast Nicole, truly a wundersau of internet-borne narcissism, conceit, sublimated vindictiveness, self-serving rationalization, and virtually the entire list of cognitive biases and logical fallacies, all stuffed potato-like into a flabby melanoid sack.
Greg, these animals hate us for being what we are, and have no honest means of expressing their antipathy. They are not permitted antipathy for animals unlike them for they genuinely believe we are “all the same” animal. So they mistake their proxy differences for essence, and the slightest deviation from their script makes them deeply uncomfortable.
It’s all warfare between subspecies, between members of subspecies, and of course males and females. Our way proposes cutting away at least two of these tiresome quagmires and focusing on the first. But they won’t have it, this gutmenschen-mafia. They would rather genuflect before yid and kaffir, and bury our mutual interests under mountains of moral snobbery and millions, millions of foreigners.
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Well-said.
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“…Man, leftism is fucking people up! … ”
I agree but I also believe something – not sure what – is making more and more people in western civilization become fucked up people.
What I am trying to say here is that it is in part because people are so fucked up that they are attracted to leftism.
But leftism encourages fuckedupness ( not a word I know ) too
it is like some sort of vicious circle, and I have no idea how we can stop this.
Maybe there is something in the water? too many left over chemicals?
How can a whole civilization be so full of self loathing?
Vegetarianism is a form of self punishement, of self loathing.
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“How can a whole civilization be so full of self loathing?”
It is civilization itself, ultimately. It creates conditions in which the human animal can easily degenerate in some manner. It requires all sorts of unnatural and superfluous behavior, from the evolutionary p.o.v., merely to maintain ourselves. It offers spot palliatives like parks and paleo dieting, but cannot be stopped. It is a product of us and we are a product of it.
One of your eyes-open compatriots, Lionel Tiger, wrote a great book on this called The Manufacture of Evil. I urge you to purchase a copy.
Another concept you will want to look into is non-human stereotypy, or the effects of confinement, isolation, or starvation on other species. Parrots chew off their wings from lack of companionship; giraffes wear down their tongues from lack of mothering; horses choke themselves to death by eating too quickly to leave their stables; underfed pigs take to grinding their teeth and swallowing air; and so on.
Civilization produces “stable vices” in humans, basically.
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What uh said.
However, there are a million peculiarities in western civilization creating a perfect storm of fuckedupness that can’t wholly be explained by civilization’s side-effects. Civilization makes it incredibly easy fuck up in many ways, but we’ve managed to fuck up in almost every way. It didn’t help that we revolted against all the traditions that served to protect us against both civilization’s and nature’s dark side.
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Not an enzyme, but there is myelin, a glial cell. These cells form a “sheath” around the axons of your neurons. You will know axons as the nerve endings which conduct electrical impulses across synapses to other cells (including some muscle groups).
Well, guess what myelin is made of? Mostly water, but the dry mass is 75% lipids, 25% proteins. It’s also white, which is why you have “white matter”.
Here’s my theory: vegetarianism, or dearth even of substantial plant proteins (unrefined chocolate, yams, beans, etc.), could be one of the causes of demyelination — degradation and disappearance of the myelin sheath around the axon, causing neurons to die.
In short: vegetarianism may be a neurological disease. Cells need fat. It’s all that stands between them and a biosphere to which the cell is not adapted. Without lipids, no cells — no cells, no organisms, no life.
Check out The Vegetarian Myth. It’s by some formerly rabid feminist who spent much of her life berating people for eating meat, then one day was overcome by her fatigue and depression, and broke down for a stray can of tuna in her cupboard. Now she’s a happy feminist, at least.
But she turns much of her vitriol on pastatarians in the book. Fun read.
Humans are not adapted to vegetarianism, and as Heartiste notes, these SWPL fags aren’t even eating “mostly vegetables” (Pollan), but pasta, cookies, cupcakes, smoothies, gelato, and so on. A stroll through Whole Foods is pretty horrific for me.
Anyway, this is why they’re all limp, fey, and unmotivated. I think what happens, for example with fat girls, is that their low self-esteem becomes pathological, so they’ve invested too much psychologically, assisted by the female echo chamber now dominant in society, to admit or even understand the pathology and work through it by changing diet. They’re too cozy with their mental illness, in short.
One thing is certain: no one loses weight eating 1500 – 2000 calories’ worth of grains. NO ONE.
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“A stroll through Whole Foods is pretty horrific for me.”
Have you even BEEN to a Whole Foods? They have the best meat around. Their meat rating system is top-of-the-line. No antibiotics, no hormones, no preservatives.
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Didn’t say I won’t go there to buy their meat products. Said the rest of it is horrific. Products, employees, customers. My local store is also in a Jewish / Brazilian enclave …
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A kosher butcher in Brazil? Oh, Carne Vale!
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There is big difference between vegetarians and people which just do not eat meat, but discussing it is pointless because most people react too emotionally discussing such subjects. The rest of them just does not care and are busy doing more interesting things.
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All are weirdos with emotional problems.
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There’s also a bit of an “Emperor’s New Clothes” phenomenon going on with female vegetarians. Since being a special snowflake gives them a holier-than-thou attitude, they just assume that their healthier lifestyle is benefiting them in every way possible, including how they look. I know a girl who increased in size since becoming vegetarian, but it’s alright since she’s “saving the Earth” or whatever.
There’s a right way to go vegetarian or vegan, but unfortunately most people don’t do the research necessary to get the right nutrition. Most just cut out meat/animal products and replace them with processed veggie substitutes which really do nothing to aid them health-wise.
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Totally. IMO this has replaced the religion-fueled chastity than women used to hold over men’s heads. Now eating meat is the big “sin” they try to shame you with.
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I used to date a girl who became vegan towards the end of the relationship. Any time she found out I was eating something with animal products in it she’d go on a rant about what exactly I ate, how it was made, etc. Even if it was something as innocuous as a glass of milk, she’d tell me all about factory farms, how the dairy industry is “rape”, etc. If I ate any of this stuff around here, I’d be guaranteed the most unsatisfying meal ever, followed by post-meal shaming.
She expected me to go vegan since she had, but I refused to, and that caused tension. This was a girl who had Burger King with me one day, then was a militant vegan/animal rights activist the next. It was literally overnight. I was pissed at the time, but now I’m thanking my lucky stars that I don’t have to deal with her special snowflake shit anymore.
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Well, there are several cardinal sins for default leftists:
– Eating meat
– Preferring white people
– Not worshiping fags
– Not loving their pets
– Slapping women (they wave this in bed, usually)
It’s actually everything they want most, turned inverse. They desperately want meat, they all prefer to live around other whites, they have no real need for fags and the “bisexuals” mostly go back to dick before long, their pets are surrogates, and of course they love to be slapped.
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And it makes sense, since most lefties are incredibly self-loathing. Why give yourself the world when you don’t have any faith in yourself? Instead why not donate to starving kids in Africa, or volunteer for GLAAD? I’ve never seen a group of people so hell-bent on limiting their own rights/privileges while at the same time trying to champion for the rights/privileges of others.
And because of this I feel that responsible white males are becoming the new oppressed minority. Yes, white people did horrible shit to other people in the past, but now that we’re in a feel-good “everyone’s equal” kind of world, whitey is repenting for the sins of his ancestors. I’ve never advocated for colored drinking fountains, or for women to be baby- and sandwich-making machines, or for Jews to be eradicated, but now I have to pay for it through welfare systems and affirmative action and all this feminist and pro-NAACP Jackson indoctrination the public school system and liberal colleges are cramming down our throats.
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Not my ancestors. Someone’s perhaps, but I don’t believe in generational guilt.
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… – Slapping women (they wave this in bed, usually)…
Uh,
excellent observation!!
Most women are liberals ( thus “anti-violence” whatever that means ) and most women loved reading ” Fifthy shades of Grey”
Women…such weird creatures, so much denial packed in one little package…
but I LOVE them!!
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The biggest feminist I know was a girl I dated who loved being spanked, had rape fantasies, loved being called a dirty whore amongst other things, and hinted that she liked being tied up. Meanwhile, to the outside world she decried all these things.
Rule #1 of women: Pay attention to what they do, not what they say. They’re masters of projection.
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Here is a proud, healthy vegetarian womyn that stood up to a bullying doctor who made assumptions similar to the ones you’ve made in this post:
“I am seeing a new doctor, who immediately tells me that I should be eating a healthier diet and getting more exercise, and that I need to watch my sugar intake because I am “probably prediabetic.” I tell the doctor, “I’m vegetarian, and I swim at least two miles four days a week, and my fasting blood sugar results have always been excellent.” The doctor looks me up and down and gives me an unvarnished look of extreme skepticism.”
http://www.xojane.com/issues/whats-wrong-fat-shaming
She may not be slender, but haven’t you heard of the term “fit and fat”? This grrl is bursting with good health.
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This isn’t even “fit and fat” and in no way is this chick eating and exercising the way she says she’s is. I hear stories all the time about women who are eating healthy and exercising to the outside world while hiding the empty Twinky wrappers under their beds. Seeing people, especially women, that big is revolting.
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You’re right, being that huge is no better than holding up a sign that says “I don’t take care of myself!!!” Eating right and exercising are the cornerstones to having a good body. Someone who looks like that is NOT doing this right, if she’s doing it at all.
It’s okay, though, she’s a “real woman”. Because everyone knows the ideal woman is 300 pounds with an even bigger entitlement complex.
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If that woman says she’s on a “vegetarian diet,” what she means is her diet is mainly comprised of vegetarians, with a few taco salads thrown in here and there.
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That link is mind-boggling. Only in the mind of an American woman would a doctor’s concern be “fat shaming.”
If a doctor tells you you need a cast, is it “bone shaming?”
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Apparently, doctors telling their patients the truth is also known as “weight bullying”. This is from the same website, but is written by a different fat chick:
Article subtitle: “doctors could be killing women by making check-ups into an exercise in shame.”
“…he asked what I ate, but he didn’t wait for an answer. I had to exercise more, he said, having no idea how much I was exercising.
“I’m not concerned about it,” I said tightly, “and if it comes up again I’m going to have to find another doctor.”
“Any other doctor would tell you the same,” he said.
“Well, I prefer a doctor who at least waits to hear what I eat before telling me to eat less.”
He looked exasperated. “There’s no possible way you’re not eating too much.”
After that, I was sort of blinded by a fine mist of fury particles for a little while, and when it cleared I was dressed and headed out the door while flinging “Thanks, but I won’t be paying today” over my shoulder at the receptionist.”
http://www.xojane.com/healthy/dear-doctors-quit-it-weight-bullying
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So funny. You forgot to mention she-who-must-not-exercise was also trapped in the heartbreak of bulimia. (I can’t believe the doctor missed that.)
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For a recovered bulimic, it’s much better to be overweight and not purging than it is to be thin and still in the midst of eating disordered behavior. Bulimia really fucks up the metabolic system, so it’s pretty typical of recovered women to gain quite a bit of weight. If they keep eating healthy meals, exercising and working to eliminate the binges, they can get back to a “healthy” weight while actually being healthy.
And yes, I was also pretty surprised that the doctor skipped that and launched full-on into the weight loss lecture. It’s pretty standard among those who deal with recovered bulimics to skip the weight question altogether and instead focus on whether the patient is eating a balanced diet.
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from the article:
“my body’s dramatic response to starvation (and really, that’s what a diet is)…”
here’s the biggest problem with most fatties’ attempts at dieting and weight loss: they truly believe that a diet is a special subcategory of food intake that needs to be followed religiously until a predetermined outcome is achieved or neared, after which it can be abandoned in favor of their default food intake pattern. in reality, it isn’t. a diet is your food intake, period. you don’t “go on a diet,” you “have a diet.” if necessary, you “CHANGE your diet.” if we really wanted to spend government money on an education campaign about obesity, we should rebrand “diet” as the default food intake pattern rather than as a privation ritual when the default causes issues.
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Can’t remember where I read it, but apparently the human body needs X amount of vitamins and nutrients (let’s say 40 if I remember correctly) to live a healthy life, and a strict, by-the-book vegetarian diet lacks some of those essential ingredients. So, the vegetarian diet if followed will eventually not end well for it’s practitioners.
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Cupcakes are vegetarian too!
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Protein deficiency leads to muscle deficiency which leads to carbs and fat being stored easier since there isn’t anything there to burn them off.
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There are amazing looking vegetarians, but adhere to the diets with genuineness. High GI foods or processed starches will result in what was described above. After grazing on the salad, comes the cooking munching.
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Another problem with the female veggies is that once they hit 40, they go into skeletonization. Since they vaguely understand thin=attractive, they starve and lose muscle and fat, leading to their skin just hanging off their body. Think Madonna versus that hot britsh chef, same age, different bodies and diets. Lakimi or something.
My view is sorta contrary to the host’s. Walking around Whole Foods, there’s a lot of unhappy lefties, presumably vegetarian, who are too thin in a muscle tone free way, losing skin tone and hair but hopefully kept warm at night by the group smug that veggies have.
Oh, my god. That picture that SD links to. Eye bleach.
And that may be to host’s point. That and chicks who “run marathons” but are still chunky. Answer: “You’re Doing it Wrong.” They range from kinda to really chunky.
Finally, as for paleo’s and eating vegetables. I agree as I find my lower carb lifestyle has changed my palate so that while I avoid extra carbs except really nice ones, my vegetable consumption has gone up as well.
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Surprisingly the whole foods by me has pretty, pleasant looking people but your posts reminds me of this one from Cappy Cap.
People of Trader Joes
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The WF near me is full of Somalians eating for free on WIC and whatever else Fed programs there are to help foreigners repopulate american on the cheap and then there are the unhappy veggie libs. The Trader Joe’s has pretty much the same population but slightly more impatient and suburbany.
But funny link, rings a bell.
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In an admittedly futile effort to get snap-judgment drones to think, I’ll ask you for a objective definition of “libs”.
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Heh, heh… some Jew I was arguing with over 30 years ago pulled that one on me… must be a play from the Obfuscation Gamebook that they teach you guys in the schul during Debate 101.
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“… In an admittedly futile effort to get snap-judgment drones to think, I’ll ask you for a objective definition of “libs”….”
“Libs” tend to prefer throwing insults rather than debate
“libs” tend to accuse those who do not agree with them of being too dumb to think
“libs” tend to be in denial about a lot of things – including what it is to be a “lib”
“libs” tend to try to win , not with facts and logic, but by wearing out their opponents by repeating a million times the same things and demanding more and more facts and logical arguments, but no matter what we do and often we do it, they act as if we had done and said nothing and are asking for more, we simply give up and then the “lib” in his own delusional mind sees this as a victory.
“libs” tend to follow – consciously or not – the Allinsky rules
I could have also simply said: Look in the mirror
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I know what Pointy is trying to say but rest assured, the pale, frail hunched-over men wearing biking shorts in public (semi j/k, obvs some are wearing mom jeans) are usually talking to their signifO’s about their mutual desire to blow Obama. So, safe conclusion they’re libs.
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Yes, I “love” this cohort – the vegetarians who eat legitimately unhealthy food. If you want to know if you’re dealing with one of these Whole Foods-shopping, sanctimonious, liberal vegetarians: take a look in their fridge and I gaurantee they’ll have stockpiled tons of “Amy’s Organic” processed food, microwave dinners. Complete crap healthwise and tastewise, but it has great SWPL-cache.
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http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/19/6-organic-food/
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But Amy’s organic isn’t even real organic, that’s my point. It’s not organic meat or fruit (which I’m skeptical of anyway); it’s just processed, microwavable crap. It’s one step above Hungry Jack, but SWPLs have convinced themselves (or Amy’s has successfully branded themselves accordingly) that Amy’s is “health-food.”
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In an admittedly futile effort to get snap-judgment drones to think, I’ll ask you for a objective definition of “liberal”.
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Your inquisitorial attitude is a good operative definition, but I’ll bite again.
Dunno about my broskis, but I define liberal, quite apart from the original economic definition, though not unrelated (insomuch as the free market has invited corruption), as:
White people who worship fags, foreigners, kaffirs, cripples, a mythical six-million toten juden, think ethnic suicide is just wonderful, and attack everyone who thinks otherwise as nazi, fascist, “conservative”, bigot, hater, etc.
If you look closer, behind all the rapturous ethnomasochism, you will see some thin wires sprouting from their backs and reaching up into the sky. Far above them all is a nervous, shy, but endlesslyvindictive and enormously powerful, hook-nosed bunch with tons of money whose chief occupation is maintaining this population of goodthinking white serfs by monopolizing judgement.
Weird shit, I know.
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no one cares aspie
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You’re pretty much a snap-judgment drone yourself… only difference between you and those you disdain is that their judgments are invariably more correct.
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here is what i have noticed about vegetarians and vegans. they’re either dumpy or they are ridiculously skinny. they rarely fall in the curvy sweet spot in between.
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You are what you eat. A bit of meat on the bones = curvy. Lots of starch and corn syrup = disgustingly fat. No meat at all = skin and bones (no meat at all).
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Grass fed beef, plus lots of meat, veggies, and fat- and weights, the only way to go.
Did you notice too, that most vegetarians/vegans are liberals as well????
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Like I said above, those meatless thought processes are off-kilter, somehow.
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Myelin = lipid padding around neurons.
Lack of meat / B12 = dymyelination / cell death.
Too much meat = build up in liver.
B12 has a remarkable conservation rate in the body because it’s so important to certain vital functions; the body treats it wisely, so to speak. Because of this, a B12 deficiency may not present for a long time; but this might be the source of the breakdown many vegans experience.
“Vitamin B12 is necessary for the formation of blood cells, nerve sheaths and various proteins. It is therefore, essential for the prevention of certain forms of anaemia and neurological disturbances. It is also involved in fat and carbohydrate metabolism and is essential for growth. In humans, vitamin B12 functions primarily as a coenzyme in intermediary metabolism.”
I mean, that’s a biography of every fucking veg you’ve ever met. Anaemia and neurological disturbance. Stunted growth. The reason Mesoamericans are short: over-hunting their game and having to switch to vegetables and grains ca. 7000 BC.
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Can’t you counter the B12 deficiency by taking tablets, or eating Marmite/Vegemite?
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“Grass fed beef, plus lots of meat, veggies, and fat” With a slight mod to fats from nuts, avocados, and obviously from other sources like bacon and steak (can’t leave out the good stuff), I would say 100% agreed.
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Vegans are usually liberal, no doubt about it. Sometimes, you’ll find the odd conservative, but it’s rare. All I know, when meeting a new guy, if I find out he’s a vegan, I am not interested. It’s a total turnoff. It means he follows liberal thinking a little too much and lacks masculinity. It’s definitely one indicator to watch out for.
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And the sad fact that veganism is high carb and therefore a cancer booster. RIP steve jobs and MCA. Oh, and Michael Clarke Duncan.
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Ya, nothing made me laugh harder that day than when Black Kingpin died “unexpectedly” 2 years after going vegetarian.
By vegetarian logic, he should have been in perfect health by then.
Also a bonus nugget of info: he was in a long term relationship with a loud-mouthed, rude, ugly black reality-show star named Omarosa.
Guy may have been able to rip my arms off, but he was beta to the max: a hen-pecked, self-loathing, bitch-submitting, meat-escewing Hollywood pussy.
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If Michael Clark Duncan was a vegetarian, then the steroids he was on surely caused his premature death… nobody gets that big from broccoli.
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Vegetarianism is a bad diet for you. It is unhealthy.
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If he was in a relationship with Omarosa, he didn’t die… he’s just hiding.
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Listen, asshole, I’ve met Duncan, and he was a real sweetheart. I understand that he was a vegetarian in the last two years of his life because he had a severe heart problem (I don’t know exactly what). One molecule of cholesterol could’ve meant, and did mean, the end of him. In fact, I bet he probably died after he broke the rules and put away a whole porterhouse.
Fail more.
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My word — how many men has one met who comfortably describe another man as “a real sweetheart”?
More spilling of your pocketbook’s contents.
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Listen, asshole,
—Do I detect the dulcet tones of a stupid pussy? I think I do!
I’ve met Duncan, and he was a real sweetheart.
—Fag
I understand that he was a vegetarian in the last two years of his life because he had a severe heart problem (I don’t know exactly what).
—caused by rRoids/being overweight. In any event, vegetarianism was NOT the way to cure his problems.
One molecule of cholesterol could’ve meant, and did mean, the end of him.
—Oh god, another anti-cholesterol moron.
Try this on for size, eejit: http://www.hulu.com/watch/196879
In fact, I bet he probably died after he broke the rules and put away a whole porterhouse.
Blaming cholesterol/fat for causing a heart attack is like blaming the fire department for a fire.
The pussy deserved to die. Get over it.
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“The pussy deserved to die. Get over it.”
You are a sociopath.
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You are a sociopath.
—Sweetheart, keep your dress on.
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Not a denial. Beat any black prostitutes last night?
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Beat any black prostitutes last night?
—Chris Brown beat me to it.
/rimshot.
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“Blaming cholesterol/fat for causing a heart attack is like blaming the fire department for a fire.”
That might be the single stupidest thing I’ve ever seen whorefinder write. Stupider even than his usual barrage of hate, because this one can be disproven.
The National Institute of Health, the American Heart Association and the American College of Cardiology publish guidelines to help physicians and patients with risk reduction for heart attacks. They all include lowering LDL.
Fail more.
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The other point that WF was trying to make is that the National Institute of Health, the American Heart Association and the American College of Cardiology are wrong. There is no evidence linking heart failure, attacks, whatever to meat or fat. This dogma has been accepted and inculcated without question for decades.
The link between LDL is murky at best. That’s why there are the vitorin commercials that basically state, sure, you may be an olympic athlete with low body fat but your cholesterol is still high. well, then at least one of your assumptions is wrong. Arterial inflammation is the true cause of plaque build up and that’s caused by carbs.
One of the things that Taubes (and the video provided above) try to shine the light on is the dogmatic assertions by your appeal to authority in the National Institute of Health, the American Heart Association and the American College of Cardiology.
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Here’s one such link explaining further:
http://www.preventdisease.com/news/12/030112_World-Renown-Heart-Surgeon-Speaks-Out-On-What-Really-Causes-Heart-Disease.shtml
A frustrating thing about dieting, the link between obestity and diet, and so on is the dogmatic bullshit that certain politicians put in the public knowledge (as chronicled by the Fathead video clip above (and if you’re a conspiracy nut, as Big Corn bought the non radical politicians too)).
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Yawn. Another moron who doesn’t bother to learn about things that contradict what almighty government and its lobbyists say.
He’ll deserve the depression, obesity, and short-life he deserves, Just like Michael Clarke Duncan. (hehehe)
Appeals to authority are logical fallacies, sweetheart. Bless your heart.
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Why am I not surprised Jason is an anti-cholesterol/anti-fat fool? Yet more proof for Greg’s Meat=Sanity hypothesis.
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20% of our daily calories need to be fat. I love eating fats. Don’t put words in my mouth, fool.
Re: cholesterol, a high level of LDL has indirectly killed two members of my own family, so I’m inclined to agree with the above-mentioned authorities.
I love meat, but with the caveat that too much definitely hurts. But don’t listen to me. Just go right ahead and enjoy your daily porterhouse with a side of ham-and-cheese omelette — I’ll toss the first spadeful of dirt on your coffin.
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Duncan probably died from being in a relationship with Omarosa.
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Wrong. He died the moment he thought dating that harpy was a good idea.
Or at least his masculinity did.
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A lot of vegetarians are extremely thin, to an unhealthy degree. The thin ones are gaunt, and have unhealthy looking skin. They look like they have a nutrient deficiency disease. With the women, it looks as if they also have some sort of early onset osteoporosis, at a very early age.
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PREACH IT. Since I went Paleo, I’ve been able to eat until I am full without counting calories and work out about half as long, without gaining an ounce. And no, I’m not trading lean muscle for fat, either. Everything looks and feels exactly the same, only I’m not working anywhere near as hard to maintain it.
I’ve also been able to trash my ProActiv, because my skin has completely cleared up on its own. And my biannual trips to the dentist for cleaning have turned from unpleasant accusation-fests (“You can’t possibly be flossing twice a day!” “Yes, I am! What do you want from me!”) to quick in-and-out visits. My hair and nails are growing faster, thicker, and are less brittle.
I don’t even have to be all that hardcore. If I’m at a really great restaurant and want to try the risotto, I’ll do it. It seems to work out just fine if I hold to it about 90%.
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Topless bikini pics or GTFO.
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Topless bikini pics? Sure! Why not?
With a name like “Whorefinder,” it’s got to be a good idea!
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Well it ain’t smuckers, babe. hehehe.
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I’d walk through a wall of fire to eat risotto.
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Fag
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Total fag. You are the most worthless poster on this board. Well, neck and neck with Queen A….
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If I my words were truly that worthless, you wouldn’t be angry enough to reply to me.
And at least I keep my discourse at or above a 6th grade level.
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@holden caufield….of course, I forgot to add the king of all meats, uncured bacon!!- I keep a jar of rendered bacon fat in a fancy glass dish in my fridge- everyone asks why all my dishes are so delish…I add a tablespoon to almost everything I make. Makes a killer beer can chicken on the grill with super crispy skin 🙂
@rappacinis daughter- Im the same way. I strive to do 85-15, and one day per week I eat anything I want- I just fast the next day and get back on the plan. Same with workouts, I used to do endless cardio- NO MORE- 20 minutes with heavy weights and tabata sprints for 5 min on the bike- and lots of walking– all my marathon-triathlon friends are always complaining about all their injuries, its all I cannot do not to laugh- they think distance running and hours on a treadmill until their knees give out is the way to go.
In the next few months I am going to really try and go 100 hardcore and try cross fit. We shall see 🙂
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I know, right? It’s like playing a video game in God Mode. All of a sudden, everything’s so easy.
I actually tried CrossFit, but wound up abandoning it after 3 months. I’m a low-digit-ratio, high-T woman, and while my frame is actually quite ectomorphic…come to find out, I can put on muscle like a male mesomorph. The first time I realized my biceps were too big to fit through the armholes of a tailored blouse? Done with CrossFit.
But most of my female friends are loving it and doing just fine with it. You probably will too.
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We had a CrossFit move in down the street from my work. By the end of week one, everyone just kept calling them “those Cross-fit assholes.”
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You say you’re a girl and then use comments like: “playing a video game in god mode”?!
Seems legit.
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I’m a manjaw, aleister. Which means I’m gonna manjaw. Wanna play Call of Duty?
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@nitelily…AMEN- If a man doesnt eat meat, I dont trust him!-Def lacking in testosterone!!
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I never knew a man’s man who doesn’t eat meat. LOL, I can spot a liberal a mile a way. I can’t be fooled.
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But not the one just beneath your nose.
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And who is that pray tell?
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so, fellow low carbers and you paleos, how do you address teh finer things in life, like booze. Ok, just booze. Vodka? Teetotal?
[heartiste: vodka and club soda. i believe that’s the lowest calorie hard drink you can get. i like scotch, so i won’t be giving up big and brown any time soon.]
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if you’re trying to avoid grains – tequila, wine, mead, hard cider. but they’re all gonna have sugar in them, can’t really avoid that.
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In the Atkins book it says that distilled spirits (alcohol) are a separate food group from fats, proteins, and carbs and that drinking them won’t take you out of ketosis.
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How do I address booze?
“Going down?”
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When I was on a “clear liquid” diet prior to a colon examination, I realized to my joy that vodka was a clear liquid.
Thor
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Gin too! 😉
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Hard liquor is fine, just don’t mix it with sugary soda 😉 Dry red wine is fine too. If you must have beer or white wine, don’t get drunk on it, have one glass or two, you’ll be fine.
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If you’re gonna drink beer, only drink lightly hopped beers.
Remember: Thugs drink malt liquor. Manboobed hipsters drink Triple IPAs.
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hops are calorieless, yo. But yeah, they maybe heavily malted, if I have my brew terms correct, sugars that haven’t been converted to alkies.
One problem for the ladies drinking is that they like their alks to come in sugary sweet form, things I like to call “fatslides” or “pudgeritas”
last night was diet tonic and vokda night.
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The word you’re looking for dextrins. They’re compound sugars just complex enough for yeast to be unable to digest.
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One of my top five: St. Peter’s Sorgham Beer.
Crisp, well-balanced, wheat-free, organic (lozlzlzz), will get you drunk and not weigh you down.
http://www.stpetersbrewery.co.uk
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As usual, the devil is in the details. A vegetarian can eat in many different ways, not to mention different amounts. Thus, the vast divergence of observations above. I respect anybody who is a vegetarian for moral reasons (liberal or not), but the general theory that it is “healthy” to be vegetarian is false or at least meaningless – eating potato chips is not the same as eating blueberries. Reality is that it is EXPENSIVE to uphold a diet that is low carb, vegetarian or not. Carbs are cheap. Swedish has a word “brödsvullen”, an old term (literally bread-swollen) meaning somebody on a severely carb-loaded diet, thus fat.
Note that there are several diets, such as Atkins, paleo- and LCHF (low carb high fat) that differ only in detail, they are primarily low-carb diets. In particular, they are low grain or grain free (that includes bread, pasta and beer, but only
technically whisk(e)y).
The theory that humans have been eating grain (at least in significant amounts) for more than a few thousand years is ludicrous. Agriculture (as opposed to munching an occasional handful of grass seeds) started about 10 000 years ago, and then only in a few places (Fertile Crescent, Indus Valley, Yellow river). and spread slowly. But it allowed, for better and for worse, the human population to grow several orders of magnitude. Prior to that, humans ate opportunistically (“bush tucker” in Downunderese) berries, fruit, grubs, occasional animals large and small (and feasted after a big kill, tucking in voraciously but not very often for obvious reasons).
But I have a serious question to this learned group: How do you tell “protein deficient” people from those who are merely thin and/or anorexic in general?
Thor
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I recently came across an old book written in the 90s called The Zone: A Dietary Road Map by biochemist Barry Sears.
From all of the diets advocating restricting carbs, this one is my favorite because it doesn’t speak about totally eliminating carbs, but about eating complex carbs, and no more than 40% in one meal.
Each meal should consist of 30% protein, 30% fat, and 40% carbs.
He was among the first to advocate restricting carbs and among the first to advocate consuming Omega-3 and Omega-6 fatty acids. He says it’s all about balancing your hormones when you eat since food is a drug
http://crossfitimpulse.com/the-zone-diet-explained-edited
He recently published a new book with more recent research. A lot about our ancestor’s diets is discussed in his books. Fascinating read for anyone interested in health – such as exercising and eating healthy – as a lifestyle. Lots of scientific research included.
List of books on the bottom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_diet
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Agreed. All those shitty snack foods (Doritos, Bugles, etc) are vegetarian. Doesn’t count.
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University of Minnesota, the institution that gave us the Twin Study which enthroned nature over nurture, also conducted a Starvation Study which aimed to replicate the starchy famine diet of Europeans during WWII.
Results: Reduced sex drive, general irritability and depression, decline in cognitive ability, obsession with food, and at least one self-mutilation.
I suggest above that paleness and sluggish cognitive function are consequences of demyelination of neurons and B12 deficiency.
They’re also, you know, the assholes wearing skinny jeans and punctuating all their politically correct beatitudes with “man”.
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Raw fruits and veggies, seeds, a little animal protein for flavor, and a lot of hemp protein works. Too much meat taxes the internal organs.
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The fact is that vegetarians are leaner than the average meat eater and rarely protein deficient.
Ofcourse ppl who stick to a bodybuilding lifestyle are leaner but that is all that paleo is.
Paleo is a bunch of old Californian guys on TRT & hgh pretending that they got their physiques by not eating pasta.
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I just posted something about The Zone diet. From all of the diets advocating restricting carbs, this one is my favorite because it doesn’t speak about eliminating carbs totally, but about eating complex carbs, and no more than 40% in one meal. Each meal should consist of 30% protein, 30% fat, and 40% complex carbs.
I included some links so my comment went into moderation.
I think Paleo and Atkins are too extreme and shouldn’t be prolonged for more than a few weeks. The Zone Diet is best diet for a lifestyle. He says the 30-30-40 ratio is the way to balance your hormones when you eat, since food is a drug and should be consumed like a drug.
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Source? Oh, right.
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LMAO.
Lean, vegetarian, non-protein-deficient: pick two.
Proof? Rick Rubin.
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There are so few facts in your post that facts in other posts are being sucked into the vacuum…
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I remember watching a Youtube documentary about animal rights extremists, and there was one really fat extremist in it. A guy in the comment section wrote: “That cunt at the beggining didn’t get that fat from eating celery sticks”, lol
P.s. Do you think you could take me off the moderation list now, Heartiste? I only lashed out at that guy because he was baiting me, but next time I’ll just ignore guys like him.
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“Vegetables aren’t food. Vegetables are what food eats!”
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A joke, but physiologically sound: humans harnessed grazers for the reason that grazers are adapted to process chlorophyll. Hence the four stomachs. It is a fermentation process which isn’t replicated by the single human stomach.
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Uh, oh, almost. The issue is not chlorophyll. There are two issues,
i.e. there are two things the ruminant system of stomachs (with the aid of microbes) achieve that humans cannot do. Mainly
1) Digesting non-negligible amounts of cellulose. This is the main dry component of anything but the tenderest grass.
2) Synthesizing proteins out of base elements.
And that’s the main reason people have kept cows, goats, sheep
(all bovidae) and occasionally critters from the cervidae sister family (deer etc, including moose, check for antlers, not horns) – the two families are the bulk of the ungulate order.
This may be older than agriculture but MUCH more recent than the hunter/gatherer stage. (Genesis starts out with the agriculture vs. herder conflict, remember – the farmer slays the herder).
Thor
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Thor,
I meant cellulose. Mistake. Chlorophyll is cyanobacteria. Cellulose is fibrous matter.
Am familiar with that interpretation of Cain/Abel.
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I’ve always thought veganism is a sign of emotional immaturity. These people couldn’t come to terms with the fact that their food used to be cute and fluffy and thus feel guilty that such a cute farm animal had to die for them to be able to eat.
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I work at a chain “health foods store” and a lot of my female co-workers are vegetarian/vegan. Many of them are surprisingly not skinny. Not fat either, but definitely not slender or toned. Especially the vegans…they all seem to have health problems. Eating at McDonalds once a week is still probably healthier for you than a vegan diet that is 80% carbs, which is what most vegan diets seem to consist of.
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I’ve never known a vegan woman who wasn’t crazy. I know one who has even made her DOGS go vegan … and they’re really sick as a result.
But there’s one non-crazy vegan: Bill Clinton. He switched only because his doctors told him he would die within a year or two if he didn’t. His arteries must’ve looked like straws after all the crap he’d eaten in his lifetime.
Once, just for kicks, I decided to see if I could go vegetarian. It lasted two loooong days. Still, I still make sure half of the food on my plate is vegetables.
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Please. Bill Clinton is PUBLICLY a vegan. Just like:
“I did not have intercourse with that woman.”
You know he’s sneaking some bacon on the side. I don’t doubt that he’s cleaned up his diet, though, and good for him. He looks a lot healthier these days.
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Haha, you might be right. When I saw him talking about his new diet, he looked pretty miserable.
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I hope the doctor who advised him to go vegan actually knows that carbs are the true source of arterial inflammation. As Taubes said, there is zero evidence connecting heart attacks and meat (i.e., fat and protein).
What bubba is experiencing is the first year or so of extensive weight loss, fat and muscle, from a radical change to starvation zone famine type dieting that true veganism (without enough fats) causes. There is only so much fat and muscle to be burned off in famine mode, eh? then the body goes on to eat things like your brain and heart.
To put this delicately, hopefully bubba learns from MCA and Steve Jobs and MCDuncan.
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Are you saying that veganism causes cancer? I haven’t heard that one–but I hope it’s true.
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no, not that bad but apparently the high carb lifestyle that most veggies adopt is, you know, high carb. High carb diets blah blah blah blood sugar blah blah blah cancer cells love that stuff.
So, you have Jobs and MCA (IIRC, I know that MCA had high survival rate saliva cancer) with small time cancers but big time veggies end up getting overwhelmend.
So, stay off the sugar, ya know?
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I don’t think it’s the food, really. I think the body reflects the person’s true nature, and vegetarians are simply vile.
Seriously. Their diet isn’t about health, it’s about power. Being a vegetarian lets them tell other people what to eat. “I can’t eat meat! It’s got to be vegetarian!”
It also gives them a sense of (completely unearned) virtue and superiority over others.
Being vegetarian is a way to attack and belittle other people.
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A friend of mine calls it the New Puritanism. George Orwell was a hearty despiser of vegetarians, and much of the rest of his political camp, for this reason.
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Agreed, but I think this is more like the Quakers than the Puritans.
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I agree. Its establishing a criteria of their own choosing with which to feel superior over meat eaters.
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I have observed that when there is meat on a plate it is always the first thing eaten. Always. This kind of apparently instinctive choosing is, imho, unlikely to be wrong. And this is in reference to humans.
Has anyone watched dogs eat meat versus dried kibbles? Talk about clarity and single-mindedness of vision… Maybe they are trying to tell us something.
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No, I go for the grains first, because when I’m hungry it doesn’t require scooping.
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Not scooping … *cutting*.
Sigh. I need to eat.
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When I was a kid, my parents bought a half of a beef steer at a time, for the freezer. The Filet Ms went first, followed by the other cuts from the upper back. Then it was weeks of pounding round steak and gristle with a serrated hammer to make the cheap bits edible.
But there was never any “Chicken Fried” preparation. We were respectable people
I had no idea, at the time, how lucky I was.
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Meat has the highest conversion rate to muscle mass and it is also the most nutritional food by weight. It only makes sense you’d instinctively eat it first.
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I’ve read that kale is the most nutritious food, but if anyone knows better, correct me.
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First, don’t you always know better?
Second, thought experiment: two men kept in isolation, one on an all-meat diet, one on kale. Each has a television with cable, a treadmill, and a gun.
Who cracks first?
Wait, don’t answer, you’ll just obfuscate. We all know it would be the leaf-muncher.
Tryptophan is god unto omnivores.
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It’s amazing that you would reply to me, a supposed race betrayer whom you’ve publicly vowed to kill.
Care to take anything back now that the whiskey wore off?
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Never vowed to kill you. You rationalize it that way to serve yourself. Said: wouldn’t hesitate.
Nor would your camp if they had the opp. Make no mistake. We at wo’ nigga.
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“No, I’m really not hateful. I just publicly threaten to kill anybody who disagrees with me.” –uh
Haters like you are ALWAYS hiding something. What is it? Did the results of a genetic ancestry test flip your whole world upside down?
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Racial variation on the “you hate homos so my must be a latent queer yourself” playbook?
Very lame for one who fancies himself a master debater… and only partially correct.
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Hell, “so my, you must be”.
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Now, now. Putting words in my mouth does naught but help you score points in your own head. Do comport yourself with some dignity.
The correction quotation is:
“You are not my own, whatever you are. Wouldn’t hesitate to end you and any of your ilk.”
And here’s a charming couplet from you, same thread:
“He’s not an inspiring American. He doesn’t give a shit about this country. He gives a shit about making money wherever it can be made.”
“I’m choosing the present and future state of my pocketbook over my race, buddy.”
— Jason, female
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I’m pretty shocked that that, and Nicole Wundersau’s “a black girl kicked your ass in school”, are all the resident opposition have to offer.
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Meaningless. It depends on your definition of “nutritious” .
Pure fat (lard, tallow, cocosbutter) has the highest calorie count at about 8000 kcal per kg. Ir you have a more subtle (an sensible) definition of “nutritious”,
then you need to state how you define it before you can call some food “most nutritious”. But it is doubtful whether a sensible definition would put a premium on any ONE food.
Thor
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Indeed. And as you see, she has failed another of my thought experiments. FAIL MORE. (Helps to imagine Chris from Family Guy saying that.)
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Thor hit on something, the nutritious delusion. There was the gayfagqueer study that showed that eating nutritious cost like $40 a day or something because it would take about $40 of celery to get your avg daily caloric requirement or something else equally stupid (to show that poor people have it bad or something similar like the suburbs are uncool or capitalism sux). Kale is a great veggie, juicers love it, it’s apparently good for skin too. Like most veggies, prolly not enough calories to live off of, but if you try the juice weightloss diet, then bully for you.
Just don’t cut your kale juice with sunnydelight or full sugar apple juice.
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Yeah, eating healthy isn’t expensive. It’s cheap if you visit farmers’ markets, eat smaller portions (not the American way, of course), and cook at home.
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I repeat:
Two men in isolation. One on a meat-only diet, one on kale. Each has an electric synagogue with cable, a treadmill, and a gun.
Who cracks first?
I can’t believe we’re even discussing this shit. Living on fucking kale. Let’s reinvent the goddamn wheel while we’re at it.
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Are you really that dense?
I never said people should live on kale. That would be horrible. I personally hate the stuff. But it’s supposed to be the most nutritious vegetable you can eat. My only point.
But it’s useless to argue with someone who said that my life means nothing to him, who wouldn’t hesitate to kill me if the opportunity presented itself, and whose screen name is onomanopoeia for a mouthbreather.
Try more, hater. Fail harder.
BTW, I’m a man, which I’ve revealed in many other posts. Now let’s see you try to act like one.
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“That suggests one tactic for moving the lemming sex away from a stupid status whoring trend: impress upon women how their sanctimonious diet is ruining their looks. They’ll stampede for the exits.”
No they won’t. Jeez, they’re women.
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They’ll dig in their heels because a maaaan is telling them what to do.
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I’m one of those “extremely rare” conservative vegans. Why am I vegan? Because every nutrient that the human body needs can be obtained most cost-effectively from plant or synthetic sources.
Protein? Try split peas, lentils, beans, sunflower seeds, peanuts, soybeans, etc… You get far more protein per dollar than meat and dairy. You also get B vitamins and fiber, as well as iron, calcium and other minerals.
Carbs and fat? Piece of cake, pardon the pun. Plenty of breads, pastas, and junk foods are vegan. And no, you don’t need eggs for a cake to be fluffy. That’s what baking soda and lemon juice is for.
Vitamin B12? Take a supplement. Just nibble the tablet. Each tablet has 1000mcg, while a 16oz steak has only 10mcg. What’s a better deal?
Heck I even nibble on vitamin C because it’s easier than eating vegetables.
Vitamin A? Carrots.
Vitamin D? Get some sunshine, or pop the occasional supplement.
Vitamin E? Peanuts or sunflower seeds.
Vitamin K? Anything that has canola or soybean oil in it.
I stay vegan just to remind people that you can survive and thrive without animal products. All the philosophical arguments about what is “natural” are irrelevant.
I’m a healthy, manly man. I exercise regularly and I’m lean and full of energy. I’m not fat, thin, pale, weak, anemic, or protein-deficient. When I tell people I’m vegan, I often hear them say “you don’t look vegan”. After reading people’s comments here, I can understand why that’s such a common response.
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Unfortunately, it’s never simple, although us libtards wish it were.
7th Day Adventists (veggies) live 6 years longer, possibly due the non-smoking, so it might be that smoking hurts you more than vegetarianism does, if it does at all.
http://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1989/September/why-adventists-live-longer
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Adventists eat lots of nuts, avoid cholesterol, and have strong social networks. That probably accounts for most of it.
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Adventists eat eggs and milk. I know this from working with some, but if you must, check their own literature. They use the term ovolactovegetarian.
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I’m a vegetarian!!! I am NOT dumpy. I’m skinny and oh so cute!!! 😀
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Care to post photographic evidence or are you just stroking your ego? Multiple exclamation marks are strongly correlated with a diseased mind.
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Did you just eloquently say Tits or GTFO?
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That just doesn’t agree with the facts. First of all, no one is arguing vegetarians are “slimmer,” but healthier yes. And while it’s true that some people fail to replace meat with nutritionally proper alternatives, meat in itself is terrible for you. Meat eaters are 40% more likely to get cancer, live less, and are far more likely to get heart disease – the #1 killer in America. Do your own research, there are many studies (not anecdotes) that support this. I’m surprised to see this level of misinformation here, considering how brutally honest you are on all aspects of game and courtship. Think of it in the same way – just like many betas will be uncomfortable with game and dismiss it for that “reason,” many meat eaters discount vegetarianism because it makes them insecure to think that their diet is bad for them. What you eat is your own choice, and if you don’t give a damn and down a steak every day regardless of the massive cholesterol buildup in your arteries – more power to you. But don’t knock down the vegetarian diet without doing your homework first.
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Most of us have done our homework. I have seen no one advocate a regimen of all red meat.
Your pontificating upon this matter is therefore superfluous.
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How many vegetarians actually drink straight olive and coconut oil? Coz if you’re a male vegetarian with hopes of having ANY muscle and respectable circulating androgen levels you need to get on that shit fast…It’s the only thing that’ll save your testicles.
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I was a “vegetarian” of sorts for many years, my diet consisted of 5 different vegetable servings per day, 2 to 3 pieces of fruit, protein powder, moderate carbs in the form of beans mostly, and as much fish as I could handle.
I imagined to myself that were I an hunter-gatherer living on the seashore, that such a diet is what I would have existed on. Sans the protein powder, of course.
And indeed I was extremely fit, lean, and built. I have never been fitter in my life than I was in those days.
I think occasional red meat would have made me even heathier, in hindsight, though was obsessed with saturated fats and how bad they were at that time.
Goes without saying I eat as much steak as I can now though, though nothing beats fish. Catching it, cooking it, eating it, it scratches every cro-magnon itch I have.
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Yea, fish is definitely meat.
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The virtues of unsaturated fat is one of the many half-truths circulating. The body needs both saturated and unsaturated fats, and I suspect there is “best mix”. HOWEVER, it is a terrible idea to COOK in unsaturated fats. Those double bonds will react when heated, do cross-links and all sorts or other horrible things. Unsaturated = reacive.
There is an experiment I once did in front of a high-school class (as a substitute teacher). I heated a little butter in a test tube, until it melted, then poured in some elemetal bromine (NOT bromide, I mean the brown fuming stinky stuff ) . This is quite reactive (think tamed down chlorine, the halogen in the same column in the periodic table, one row above). However, on meeting with the butter, nothing visible happened.
Then I tried the same with some (unsaturated) salad oil, I did not need to heat it as it was already liquid, i.e. at room temperature, no more than 18°C (cold country, in the winter). On adding the bromine, the stuff shot out of the test tube like rocket fuel, minus the flames.
Now, I am aware that most people don’t add bromine to their food, wisely enough. However, heating it to frying temperature will also make it react, this time mostly with itself which is not visible. But you should not eat the stuff.
Note that much oil is “Virgin Olive Oil”. Virgin??? Yup, it means it has been extracted from the olives without applying heat. Great idea, but one rendered useless if you heat the oil later.
Thor
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Protein makes you lean, gives muscle. Vegetarians avoid meat, which are clearly the best sources of protein. Thus, no lean muscle mass, thus a very small chance of having a sexy, fit body.
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Have you even BEEN to a Whole Foods? They have the best meat around. Their meat rating system is top-of-the-line. No antibiotics, no hormones, no preservatives.
The world needs to know this one, but last week I entered a Whole Foods shop for the first time in my life. And I completely agree with the above commenter. The place is amazing.
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Thanks. They are incredible stores, though a bit expensive.
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Re the “Whole Foods” chain of health food stores:
It’s also been called “Whole Paycheck”.
Why TF should it cost more to simply leave crap (soy, anything hydrogenated, salt, sugar, white flour, etc.) the heck OUT of a product?
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Luke you have a point
whole food contains much less ingredients thus requires less handling/transport/buying stocks
it should cost less not more but I suppose mostly because of the high demand they can charge more for it?
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It’s actually a hell of a lot cheaper to create food with lots of soy, high fructose corn syrup, etc, because those ingredients are all subsidized by the government.
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Actually, it often DOES cost more to keep stuff out.
No antibiotics -> You need to keep the animals in conditions sanitary enough that they stay healthy without antibiotics.
No preservative -> Shorter shelf life
Sugar and salt are preservatives, among other properties.
Soy and white flour are cheap, so you can get a bigger portion at a lower price by adding them
Hydrogenated fats means you (usually partially) saturate them,
this will turn polyunsats to monounsats or unsats, (You can tell,
the more saturated the higher the melting point). Thus you can turn
cheap vegetable oils into something that looks meatier.
Avoid this stuff to. Mainly, all natural unsats are cis-form unsats,
but the hydrogenation will turn them into trans-form (google, too hard to explain without pictures). And the remaining trans-form unsaturated bonds are quite unhealthful. (It is also BTW another excellent reason NOT to heat unsaturated fats, as I discussed above; the double bonds can either to “trans” – bad – or crosslink to other double bonds – worse).
Thor
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Da meat was made to be eaten. T-boost. Protein. Iron.
The ocassional veg cleanse is ok.
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I’m surprised no one has mentioned Weston A. Price. He was a vegetarian dentist that decided he would travel the world, study indigenous people’s traditional diets, and finally prove once and for all that vegetarianism is the healthiest way to eat. He ended up showing the exact opposite. The healthiest peoples ate lots of organ meats, especially liver, and quite often raw. They consumed lots of milk and butter, but not fresh milk. They ate fermented milk products like clabber, yogurt, cheese, and butter made from cultured cream.
Fermentation in and of itself was one of the things healthy peoples had in common. Healthy grain eating cultures soaked and/or fermented the grain before eating it: e.g. sourdough bread made from sprouted grain (malt). They also ate a significant portion of their vegetables traditionally pickled through bacterial fermentation. The healthiest of the healthiest even ate small amounts of fermented meat from time to time.
He was also one of the first to show that animal fat is extremely healthy. He was also one of the first to show that your food’s food is important. Cows should be eating live growing grass, not corn. In his opinion the healthiest food for humans was butter made from cultured cream from cow’s that were eating nothing but quickly growing spring grasses.
People that eat like this are basically eating paleo, but they can still enjoy milk products and the occasional unpasteurized beer or sandwich without ‘cheating’
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Traveling around the world, and fermented milk. Yes, because globally, most adults are lactose-intolerant and fermentation breaks down the lactose. Making butter or cheese leaves most of the lactose in the buttermilk or whey. But most of us who are of Northern European ancestry cam handle unfermented milk. So can the Masai, for obvious reasons (a different gene but it does the same job).
Thor
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IIRC about 90% of Europeans, 50% of africans, and 10% of Asians are lactose tolerant. The Masai were one of the extremely healthy peoples, as were several similar african tribes.
His book is called “Nutrition and Physical Degeneration.” Its quite a read, but very worth it. Much of his research has only recently been validated. He was very much ahead of his time.
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“In other words, they have replaced an under-appreciated fat and protein source with an inordinate amount of simple, high glycemic carbs. Result: bloat.”
Right on. They eat too many processed carbs.
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Though according to the OKCupid blog (which appears to have died some time ago) vegetarian women are three times more likely to find giving oral sex enjoyable compared to non-vegetarian women.
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