How many women do men really want to fuck? The answer, if surveys are to be believed, is a bit less than infinity. Scientists are baffled. A reader writes:
I’ve said on your blog that I consider you a bit of an outlier, someone who places much more importance on sex than the average man. I thought I should bring some data to back that up. The average man seems to only want about 6 lifetime partners. And gay men, who presumably can get as much sex as they want don’t all go hog wild. If we judge by teh gey only about 32% have more than 10 partners, while only about 18% had more than 20. Perhaps numbers would be higher without AIDS, but blowjobs (raw) and sex with condoms are both pretty safe, even for gays, so I’m not sure how much to count that. However, even with AIDS, 18% is nothing to sneeze at so you’re not that much of an outlier. As for myself, I too sympathize at least somewhat, in theory, with the guys who want to rack up large numbers. But I try not to judge other people’s sexual proclivities by my own.
None of this contradicts the finding that men are considerably more promiscuous by inclination than women. It just means they aren’t outrageously more promiscuous by inclination.
Ah, self-reported data. Of sexual desire. The least trustworthy data there perhaps exists. As I’ve noted before, people are never more apt to lie than when they are being asked about their sexual habits, or about their sexual desires. The hamster is a rationalization machine first and foremost for sugar-coating lust, the most primeval of the primeval emotional juggernauts that silently yet relentlessly infuses and guides our every thought and action.
But that aside, I actually don’t have much beef with what this self-reported survey data says. I’m not at all surprised that men, when asked how many women they would want to sleep with in the next months or years, would choose a number not fantastically higher than that chosen by women. The hamster resides in male brains as well, (though it is a far less sturdy specimen than that found spinning in female brains), and will happily spit out “acceptable” answers that adhere to social expectations for virtuous behavior. Sometimes these acceptable answers are completely unintentional, and reflect less a hypocritical posturing to conform to cultural pressures than an ego-assuaging, knee-jerk bromide to buttress one’s self-conception.
But reality has a way of intruding on happy thoughts. If a researcher had asked me at age 18 how many women I would want to sleep with in the year ahead, I might have offered, with some haughty self-righteousness derived from precious feelings of romantic abandon and insta-pedestalization, one or two as my optimal number. Had that same researcher asked me, ten years later and post red-pill (as the scallawags would say), how many women I had slept with in the previous year, the number would have been considerably higher than the one I suggested was optimal before a pussy potpourri of options opened themselves to me.
To put it more simply, most men are not going to admit, to themselves or others, that they want to fuck hundreds of women. Or, more precisely, they aren’t going to admit that they would be interested in fucking hundreds of women if the option to do so were readily and uncomplicatedly available to them. Men and women both don’t really like to think of themselves as sex fiends.
And this goes as well for gay men, who, though they have less formidable obstacles to hurdle on the path to sexual release than do straight men, are still nonetheless straitjacketed by some unforgivable rules of the sexual marketplace, such as the fact that ugly gay men are not going to have the same number of opportunities for amassing partner counts as that afforded to handsomer gay men; and of those opportunities the less favorably endowed do have, the urge to capitalize will be much enervated.
And therein lies the crux of skepticism I hold about these sorts of “hey, tell me about your sex life and most secret fantasies!” self-reporting surveys: they aren’t telling me what men, or women, would do IN REAL LIFE if they had no restrictions on their buffet of mate choice. They are only telling me what numerically-bounded desires men and women — most of them by nature enduring severe restrictions on their sexual or romantic opportunities — are acclimatized by circumstance and lifelong experience to expect, and thus to valorize, for themselves.
To find out what men would avail themselves of in real life, we have to examine what kinds of partner counts real men with virtually UNLIMITED OPTIONS acquire. For that, we need to find those men who live with few, if any, constraints on their ability to fulfill their desires.
Men with few restrictions on satisfying their carnal cravings are men with options. By restrictions, I mean anything that could act as a force against the full realization of one’s desires. If most women don’t find you desirable, then you are working with limited options, and this is true no matter how much you tell yourself or others that your small sample platter is just the right amount to slake your desire. If women find you desirable, but social expectation or political calculus discourage your follow-through, then you are working with limited options.
For these reasons, some very alpha men who could theoretically clean up with women don’t make the UNLIMITED OPTIONS MAN cut. A married CEO who could conceivably entertain a harem of adoring lovers is limited by his wife, children and close acquaintances to behave according to certain norms that preclude harem-building. The President of the United States, a super alpha by dint of his station alone, would suffer tremendous blowback from the consequences of sleeping with even a tiny fraction of his admiring thong-y throngs.
No, the men of our modern society who are free in the best sense of the word… the men who have limitless options with women… are unmarried rock stars and famous actors. There are others, but these two groups best exemplify the unchained man. What kind of man has the lustful fervor of millions of women directed at him, and who would not suffer much of any consequences in his personal or career life from indulging in his bounty?
Well, George Clooney comes to mind. Here’s a guy whom women love, and who would not jeopardize his career or social status by sleeping with the maximum number of lovers his heart (and groin) can accommodate. And how may women does such a man with nearly unlimited options accumulate over a lifetime?
A lot. And these are just the women the media know about. Or the women Clooney wants the media to know about. The true number is likely in the hundreds, maybe thousands if we count one night stands and short flings.
PUAs also make the list of men enjoying veritable limitless options. The haters will slip into hate overdrive upon hearing this, but skilled womanizers, as many PUAs are, luxuriate in the attentions of many women, and don’t pay a price for satisfying their desire. The successful PUA does not have a wife or family to protect from his predations, nor does he have a political career that would crumble from public airing of his dalliances. He is, in contrast to the mass of mediocrities railing against his lifestyle, a free man able to meet his own needs, in whatever capacity he deems satisfactory.
This is not to say that men don’t desire long-term relationships with women, or to say that men would not be happy banging fewer than one hundred or more women in the course of their lifetimes. It is simply a perspicacious reminder that, as with women, what men may claim about their ideal number of lovers is often less a true measure of their visceral desire than it is a mental palimpsest revealing underneath the restricted range of limited options within which they necessarily resign themselves.
To quote by way of illustration a billion ugly, obese feminists with severely curtailed options in the dating market:
“I don’t NEED a man!”
My take on this matter, sociological stabs at the truth notwithstanding to the contrary, is that most men are inclined to periods of “settling down” monogamously with a woman of outstanding quality, but that most men would also rack up considerable numbers of lovers between and during their monogamous downtimes if there were no consequences to suffer and they had the option to acquire those lovers relatively effortlessly and expediently.
Since most men labor with a limited menu of options, what we see transpiring in the real world are the top 10-20% of free men acting in accord with the rhythms of their primitive compulsions, and a horde of less-free men learning to love their meager choices.
You want to be a man with options.
The option to love recklessly, or love faithfully.
The option to marry, or to sow your oats as an eternal bachelor.
The option to have kids, and to be assured of your paternity.
The option to date monogamously, or to date profligately.
The option to stay, or to leave. On your terms.
The option to give ultimatums, and to ignore ultimatums.
The option to screw around, or to start a family.
The option to do what you want, when you want it, and to do what others want, when you want it.
This year is the Year of Men With Options. There has never been a time more suited to teach men the art of options than right now, when options everywhere for men seem to be shrinking.
This dwelling of ideas will be your guide.

Good point about CEOs. Officially, the CEO of Best Buy was fired in 2012 because he “had an inappropriate relationship with a much younger subordinate:.
If that isn’t a major reason NOT to help build or maintain American civilization, I don’t know what is.
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Companies want to avoid “sexual harassment” lawsuits. Thus, relationships between executives and subordinates is generally very much frowned upon.
Perhaps CEOs could trade their more-attractive subordinates among each other?
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Having options does two things:
1: It makes girls disposable in your mind, thus you come off more natural
2: Sometimes girls see or sense this and want you ever more.
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“This year is the Year of Men With Options.”
Amen brother.
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Every year is the year of men with options, by definition. In other news, this year will careerwise be the year of the man with the most in demand skills.
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Athletes, actors & musicians have always been a great barometer of the unchained, unfenced, male desire in action. Social norms have never corralled these men. Witness the impressive notch count (with the top actresses of his day) accrued by Clark Gable, in a supposedly more conservative time socially.
http://thehairpin.com/2011/06/scandals-of-classic-hollywood-clark-gable-the-scandal-that-wasnt
To Men with Options, Happy 2013, Gentlemen. May your options overflow.
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Gable is also a prime example of how men can be born completely without game—even having small dicks!—and become lady killers.
Gable was born a nerdy, jug-eared social wallflower with a high pitched girly voice and no confidence He studied for years with a tutor to deepen his voice, walk with confidence, talk with confidence, and perfect his appearance and social skills.
The result? He ended up marrying that tutor, before going on a lady killing spree. He ended up with gorgeous Carol Lombard, who worshiped him, despite letting out the rumor that “if his penis was any smaller, we’d call him Mrs. Gable.”
So, in conclusion, Sweetheart Jason and twack, there is hope for you yet! Swallow the red pill!
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Let me tell you, women still swoon for Clark Gable. He’s my favorite old Hollywood actor. They just don’t make them like him anymore. Whether he was a true alpha or not, he exuded alpha in every role and his movies are still alluring till this day, even in black and white.
He was a big patriot too, like many other Hollywood actors of that era. They are nothing like the liberal cry-babies of today – Pitt, Clooney, and others like them. I never found them attractive in the least.
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What’s your definition of patriotism, NiteLily? People waving an American flag? Crooning the Star-Spangled Banner with hand over heart at a baseball game?
The greatest patriots are the ones who are willing to risk their own reputations by criticizing parts of the empire that are putting the entire system at risk. (Much like H does, except that he refuses to use his real name. But that’s okay — Voltaire had about thirty pen names too.)
George Clooney made a great movie, Good Night and Good Luck, about the tyranny of groupthink and the dangers of unjust paranoia in certain quarters of our government. He also produced Argo, which was apolitical but awesome. You haven’t done either, and neither have I, so maybe you should rethink your opinion of him a little.
A friend of mine has met Brad Pitt, however, and pretty much agrees with your assessment. He’s a nancy boy.
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Well, Bratt Pitt is very much brainwashed by his wife so that’s his issue. I don’t think he was like this years ago growing up in TX.
Clooney I don’t like because I think he’s fake. He comes across like looking for publicity when he is doing charity work. Just a vibe I have from him. Charity is best done is silence and hidden. He gets tremendous publicity form his chantry stunts.
He might have done some movies with a message you agree with, but that’s his work. He got paid for it. It doesn’t make him a patriot.
A patriot for me constitutes someone willing to fight for this land. Criticizing America in the face of other nations doesn’t make one courageous. Would you badmouth your family to outsiders and expect them to respect your family afterwards? I feel that Clooney and many of his buddies in Hollywood like Penn, go to despots like Chavez and badmouth America is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. It’s not patriotic.
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Fact #1: Clooney didn’t take a paycheck to make Good Night and Good Luck. It was a passion project. He literally worked for free. Regarding his charity work in Sudan, good luck finding more than a handful of headlines about that. He generally keeps that waaaaay under the radar. Again, please rethink your opinion of him–and make it based on more than mere “vibe”.
Yes, Sean Penn is a classic Hollywood liberal. BUT … he walks the walk, unlike most others. Fact #2: Penn personally saved about 30 lives, on his own dime, in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Fact #3: He has been living in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, off and on for several years, working to reorganize that hellhole of a city. He sleeps in tents.
Facts: They’re real.
Also: patriotism isn’t by definition the fighting for country — it’s by definition the LOVE of country. Which can take many forms. In addition to external enemies, NiteLily, patriots also to destroy internal enemies, often fellow citizens, through laws and words. (See: H v insane third-wave feminists.) So please rethink your opinion about what makes a real patriot.
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Oh Sweetheart, you lying little-dicked pussy:
#1. Clooney makes sure front and center everyone KNOWS about his”good deeds” bullshit. He often expresses how “sad” he is that he was unable to raise “more awareness” for his project du jour. poor sad George, no one will listen to his pet charity, isn’t he a sysphean social savior.?
#2.Penn’s a classic gloryhound—always bring phtographers along to document his good will. You want a Hollywood lefty who did good for no glory? Gregory Peck—head of the American Cancer Society, for no further fame or honor. Penn only saved those people for his own fame. He also continuously lies about Chavez to get to a position of power with him—a Walter Duranty for the Chavez Regime.
#3 : Have you seen his place of residence in Haiti? Merely because he says something doesn’t make it true. Like Castro, let’s bet on a heavily secured palace whilst the little people starve.
#4: Good Night and Good Luck was for oscar. Clooney does three kinds of movies: those for money, those for fame, and those for oscar-bait. He had a bad rep for a while as a wooden actor (according to his own words) and so revels in critical acclaim now that’s he’s sufficiently famous & rich. A great way for a lefty to get easy critical claim is a left-wing agitprop movie that isn’t horrible—they’ll tonguewash anything beyond mediocre.
#5. Michael Clarke Duncan deserved to die, and saturated fat does not cause heart disease or make you fat.
You lose, Sweety
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Dude, stop dick riding…thats beta.
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Sean Penn’s Katrina antics are way overrated. Sure, he did a bit, but you know, geegollywhiz, so did I. Maybe I saved the life of the lady to whom I gave water and comfort while she told me how she went back to see her husband’s grave and his coffin and remains, along with many others, were all over the place. We can all talk about the hero we might have been. It doesn’t mean we actually were. Most people, once the water started to go down, were able to walk the streets, albeit with wet feet. Keeping their feet dry wasn’t saving their lives, just like I didn’t save that lady’s life. I don’t even want to talk about the bullshit bubble that surrounds Katrina news to this day.
Nothing SP did for his photoshoot can overcome what he does by cozying up to Chavez and whining about how terrible America is while living off of her bounty. He’s an asshole poser, pure and simple. Most actors are; it comes with the territory. At least Spicoli was honest about being a layabout stoner.
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>she told me how she went back to see her husband’s grave and his coffin and remains
Really is that true? because i cannot imagine that happening with today’s womyn who have sworn to destroy male sex and there are more feminist than real women, Is this lady an old one?
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Jumbo-
Nice not-so-subtle, more lame than anything, attempt at introducing feminism into a situation where it has no place. Not every woman hates the men in her life. Just because you can’t imagine a woman who loves you mourning the desecration of your final resting place and needing to share the horror of seeing you, her love, and others in that state, doesn’t mean we can’t, won’t and don’t.
Yes, that did happen. There were worse things but that was the saddest.
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Congratulations to whorefinder for leaving a response that did NOT reference interracial gay rape.
Hope springs eternal.
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Define unlimited options – unlimited supermodels are one thing, and I’m sure we can agree that 99% of men would never tire of fucking a new one every day. Unlimited 6s and 7s however, with the odd smattering of 8s or the occasional 9 thrown in, if you bust a gut to make it happen? Been doing it for 10 years, bored already.
And PUAs generally tend to have become PUAs because they have insatiable sexual appetites, and have done everything in their power to improve their game to the point where they can find satiety. These type of personalities are outliers.
So for the average man, in the realm of the data being discussed, I don’t see these as unreasonable claims. If anything, there is more pressure on men to boast “I want to fuck a million women!” to prove how much of a man they are. Men are not judged by the same standards as women for sleeping around.
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Agreed, there isn’t really any social stigma against a guy admitting he wants to boff hundreds of chicks.
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My main thought when reading this post was that if I could have a magically non-wallhitting 10 on call 24/7, I’m pretty sure I’d be perfectly happy with the one. I think your post gives it the context I couldn’t formulate myself.
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In my 20s I did a lot of fucking, all different kinds of women. When I was 28 tho, like flicking a lightswitch, I just didn’t want to do that anymore. Humping some conquest for the night just didn’t do anything for me anymore. Kind of like masturbating into or onto another person. Maybe hormone levels or something like that were the cause?
Anyway, so I found a moderately attractive woman who was low-maintenance, smart, and could help me in my business. We got married and except for a couple brief affairs I’ve been pretty loyal. Infinity women seems like more trouble than it’s worth, now.
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I suspect you are loads more typical than our host.
One thing is, most people tend to overvalue that which they deem themselves good at. Wealthy people tend to place more emphasis on money than most. Buff guys on being ripped. Martial artists on fight skills. Ditto PUAs, gamers and other alphas wrt notches.
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“We got married and except for a couple brief affairs I’ve been pretty loyal.”
Nice ringing endorsement of marriage. “Except for my dick being in about 20 other women since i’ve been married, i’ve been 100% loyal”. LULZ marriage is a joke.
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When you conquer something that is easy…it gets boring and mundane.
We live in a society where sex is easy if you know what to do. The real challenge is ruling women outside the bedroom.
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Besides the “one or two brief affairs” you have had during your marriage (tsk tskk! :mad:), I think this is the way IDEALLY most men should do it. Sew your oats like crazy until you just tire ad before you even make any committments or marriage vows.
I think some of the best most faithful Alpha husbands are the ones who have done this.
I feel like a man who hasn’t really lived his life and experienced enough women in his prime is dangerous for committments and marriage b/c he at some point will feel he is missing out. And God forbid the opportunity arise for him to sleep with a woman he couldn’t get earlier in his prime comes along he will risk life and limb to have an affair or sexual relationship with her IMO.
I know this isn’t completely 100% but I believe it to be very close.
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Yes, if you want to be a playerslayer, you have to catch them in retirement 🙂 Then you’re an old dawg’s new trick. This is also why greater betas are actually dangerous.
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Agreed Kate!! Greater Betas are very dangerous! I feel with them you will be waiting for the other shoe to drop. And the scary part of it is, many of them wouldn’t hurt a woman *intentionally* It just kind of *happens* with them. They can be BRUTAL if they happen to find a woman he felt he missed out on. These are the men who end up leaving their wives for other women – BETAS/Greater Betas.
Alphas don’t leave their wives for other women.
A lot of women disagree with my whole philosophy, but it works for us when a man has experienced enough women of his desires earlier in life and before he marries or settle down. I would wager MOST men who did this would eventually get bored with that lifestyle at some point and want to settle. Once they do, its not very hard for them to turn the other cheek to temptation b/c they have already been there and done that.
PS HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!! 😀
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Happy New Year 🙂 I’ve found men forty-three and up most willing to commit. I suppose it all depends on the individual, but that seems like some sort of average for getting things out of their system.
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Yeah agreed. And thankfully many are still good looking and physically appealing in these ages. A woman lucks out if she finds a guy in his mid to late 30’s which I also think is very possible as long as he has lived his life for most of his 20’s and early 30’s. Many will settle mid to late 30’s in these instances. But 40’s is a pretty good age it you want the probability of finding a man who has the player out of his system.
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That’s just something I’ll never understand about men. The constant need for more. I get it if the woman gets fat or old, but how does someone get bored of a perfectly attractive young woman so quickly? I guess it’s just biological programming.
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Do you eat the same food every meal?
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Do you eat dessert twelve times a day?
For all the (laudable) fat-shaming of this site and others, many here are selectively ignorant about the concept of gluttony and its consequences.
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“but how does someone get bored of a perfectly attractive young woman so quickly?”
Usually along the lines of her saying something like, “I want us to go to the next level”, or “Don’t you ever see yourself settling down?”, or “You left the bed unmade again”, or something along those lines.
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See those two right there? They are better than you.
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“That’s just something I’ll never understand about men. The constant need for more.”
I see that projection you did there.
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Sorry, I should have been specific. Constant need for more women. I know, women have their own greedy problems.
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“…but how does someone get bored of a perfectly attractive young woman so quickly?”
Because she was never interesting to begin with beyond her looks. Or because she became annoying when she started sending whiny, guilt-tripping emails when she knew we were busy (just a random example there!).
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“Because she was never interesting to begin with beyond her looks.”
I can’t speak to the tastes of other men, but for me personally, I prefer relating to the highest quality of female possible (beyond only looks). I only date (as opposed to fuck) women who are interesting “beyond their looks.” The problem for me is that even the very BEST women become boring after some amount of time with them, so I inevitably move on. I don’t advocate this conundrum for others, nor do I relish it for myself. From an ROI perspective, I would much prefer to keep a great woman whom I’ve trained into an even greater woman, for as long as possible. But I always get bored with them, no matter their looks or sexual skills. My interest never seems to last more than roughly nine months (exercising options during that time).
I’ve accepted this about myself and have made adjustments accordingly so that I am happy with my lifestyle. But damn, it gets old breaking in bitches. . . like a broker who lives off transactional fees, rather passive income.
If I ever discover the female who defies this inner programming of mine, I will happily remain off the market. I don’t expect it to occur, and therefore am not invested in that turn of events.
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I don’t understand it either, at least, not in some deep, inborn, visceral way. Just like most men will never understand the deep-seated female need for The Perfect Guy. We have different biological motivators and drives, and that, at least, is something I can accept on an intellectual level.
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There is more to it. Here, the topic is about promiscuity, sex & the rest. But, truly “great” men, historically influential, always have this insatiable appetite for more life & accomplishment. If they’re warriors, then you got Alexander or Caesar. If they’re artists, you got Michelangelo & Shakespeare. If they’re not that caliber, still- Richard Francis Burton and Jack London are interesting examples.
That’s unquenchable appetite for life- even in celibate males who direct their energies to supposedly other dimensions of life. With men, it’s about expansion, sometimes conquering, but essentially about “more”. Perhaps the very notion of deification stems from that drive.
With women, it’s about adapting, “going with the flow”, settling, nourishing. In short- the archetype for a man is a hero, for a woman is a mother, sometimes a muse.. Simplistic, but covers much of the territory.
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Because men who understand female psychology know full well that their attempts at commitment is just a frugal way to ‘win a guy over’ in order to satisfy their ego, and not necessary because they’re ‘in love’.
Rollo Tomassi explains this perfectly on his blog. Women simply do not have the capacity to love like a man does.
So what is a man to do? Get his heart broken knowing a girl is constantly trying to play him? Or to stay off the wagon and spread his wings?
Women have no idea what it’s like to live as a man in modern society.
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It’s like food for us.
Would you like to eat the same food every day no matter how good it was?
The sex gets old, but not necessarily the relationship.
The man doesn’t usually want to leave for the other woman, just take her for a spin.
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Google the “coolidge effect”.
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Have you never seen When Harry Met Sally?
Of course you did. You just didn’t pay attention.
Fact: your man wants to fuck every woman he sees, unless she be a family member or a negative one on the fuckability scale. .
Fact:Every male celebrity you see cheats on his wife/gf regularly with all varieties of women. Unless he be gay or super-religious or super-beta.
Fact: On his wedding night, even a faggy little beta pussy like Justin Timberlake was getting a blow job from a groupie not named Jessica Biel.
Fact: A fourth-rate celebrity like Nick Lachey was openly cheating on a then-red-hot Jessica Simpson, who was also his brand-new wife, and whilst starring in a reality show with Jessica about their married, lovey-dovey life. With quite willing little sluts like you.
Facts are stubborn things, ladies.
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No, actually, I didn’t. I don’t watch chick flicks.
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For every beautiful woman there is a man who is tired of fucking her.
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“That’s just something I’ll never understand about men. The constant need for more.”
Sometimes, they get bored even after the first time they slept with the woman, because it was just sex for them, that’s all. Once they got her out of their system, it is time to move on. It’s all about getting her out of their system, ‘cause until they had her she still lingers in their brain as “unfinished business.” However, if a man is in love, he’ll stick around for as long as his love lasts. It could be a few months or a few years, or even forever (in rare cases). Therefore, if a woman sleeps with a man too fast, then you know how long it will last after the first time.
Don’t believe them when they say she was never interesting to begin with. Unless a girl is a complete idiot, it has nothing to do with it. It’s really about the fact that he got you to sleep with him. Once that happens, your specialness ceased to be in his eyes, which is why they say she was not interesting or annoying or whatever. These are just excuses for moving on after they got what they wanted.
They really can’t help it though. It’s their biology so don’t be too judgmental. A girl just needs to know how it is and how to protect herself of being discarded like a cheap ho. I wouldn’t lose too much sleep over it, just know the facts.
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Andrea wrote:
I just don’t understand it!
Some do, and have, for millennia:
“[H]ow does someone get bored of a perfectly attractive young woman so quickly?” In a word, “concupiscence,” an element of our nature as insistent as the desire to breathe, eat, and sleep.
Matt
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And “I guess it’s just biological programming” is the cop-out of a simpleton bewildered by philosophy. “Biomechanics is God” is a fabrication and article of faith, the precise equivalent of “because it’s in the bible.”
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>That’s just something I’ll never understand about men. The constant need for more.
It’s the men’s desire to explore other territories, which is why men are called conquerors, not only we don’t like to be stuck with a fat woman but we don’t like to be stuck with a beautiful one for life time, because as i said you cannot make him commit to you for long if you don’t have what it takes to know his inner traits, Feminist took away the titles of provider and protector and left the men with nothing so now men have found another title for themselve, the PUSSY CONQUEROR.
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To the younger guys out there: it only gets better as you age. Options galore.
But wtf am I doing reading a blog? I’ve got work to do.
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Now women have options: the pill, jobs, financial and moral independence.
Now women can follow their hearts: share the Alpha.
There´s no place for the betas in post feminism SMP, except as late leftovers eaters of the banquet. You know this. What are you doing? Giving false hopes?
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Wilt the Stilt (basketball player or something), I cannot remember his real name, claimed on radio to have done something north of 10 000 women. He may of course have been bragging, but still….
Thor
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Wilt chamberlain
His status as a filthy manwhore is well documented
Godspeed Wilt
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There is no such thing as a manwhore.
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True
But this isn’t about shaming
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lol. Like a typical nigs he tried to save face and proved, once again, he couldn’t do math. Probably as a cover for his being on the down low.
Steve Sailer has alluded to the fact that Chamberlain may have been gay, or at least bi (like Magic Johnson is—how do you think he got AIDS and appears so , ahem, “chirpy”).
I’ve heard dark rumors in dark corners of the internet that Bill Russell knew of Chamberlain’s, ahem, “predilictions”, and that was how Russell owned Chamberlain so much in big games—Russell would trash talk him as a “fag” or “boy lover” or ask him “Is that your boyfriend?” and Chamberlain would just crumble psychologically.
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Well, I guess that if you regard sex as the most beautiful thing on Earth, you’d want to have an unlimited number of sexual experiences.
But some men do regard other earthly things as more important and rewarding than sex, like developing a strong partnership with your lover. Screwing around is not the best way to get to it.
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Or you can screw around til you click with someone and get into a relationship
If it doesn’t work, start again
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Are you a man or a woman?
I can’t tell.
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Tough call. It doesn’t help, that “Alex” is a gender-neutral name.
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Clooney is an excellent person to emulate
Dumped twice ever, once for a superalpha with much more fame, once because the girl had been pushed to the limit of mindfuckery
The man’s a legend. Also having being married gives him the perfect excuse to stay single forever and implies a wounded core
Oh, and Vendela Kirsebom looks fucking terrible in that picture. Like a butch over the hill unfuckable feminist
Why hype her beauty so much then use the worst picture available
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Who were the two girls who dumped him? And who was the superalpha? Must’ve been early in his career, because these days nobody has “much more fame” than Clooney. The US President has somewhat more fame.
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Have a look at the article linked in the post
First was before he was big (80s?) and left him for Charlie Sheen
Second was…Lisa Snowdon maybe? Wasn’t even exclusive so it barely counts as a dumping
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I don’t know who finds Clooney attractive. He’s old looking and annoying as hell. Maybe the over 35 crowd thinks of him as the most desirable man. I don’t think of him as the epitome as alpha.
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Lolz! and who is the epitome as alpha according to you? It better not be Mitt Romney.
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First of all You are just one woman saying this, tell that to the women who jump infront of his car every often, so next time don’t project much onto others, say the things but dont judge that “WHY”.
>I don’t think of him as the epitome as alpha.
Do you even know what an alpha is? Do you even have a clue of what traits alpha has? Oh so sorry you donot have a dangling stick under your pants which is why you may never know but i can give you something to chew on.
http://www.bodylanguageproject.com/articles/how_to_be_an_alpha_male.htm
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nline.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324461604578191872144855896.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion
A real alpha.
You need to add an initial small “o” to this link to make it work.
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Bullshit on the commenter. One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year. The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.
How else did the AIDS virus spread like wildfire in the gay community, to the point that it was originally named GRID (gay related immune deficiency). Where are the drug-resistant super STDs emerging? San Francisco…….
Gays are male desire with no risk of pregnancy. AIDS and STDs have barely dented their promiscuity, in fact there are those who actively pursue sex with HIV positive partners.
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There is no such study.
You can catch AIDS even without crazy numbers of sex partners because anal sex is an easy way of spreading the disease.
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but crazy numbers of sex partners certainly helps
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“Gays are male desire with no risk of pregnancy.”
Spot on! Gay men want to have unrestrained and unrestricted sex. They have unbridled uncontrollable sexual desire, which they are not mature enough to know how to control like heterosexual men do. If you pay attention, most gay men are extremely childish and immature. Their immaturity and unbridled sexual desire doesn’t allow them to seek sex with women, which have limitations like pregnancy and other issues women have. I just saw some clips of Anderson Cooper giggling like a school girl on New Year’s Eve. Apparently, Kathy Griffin was kissing his crutch on TV and he was giggling away. That’s a serious newsman? What straight man would allow this?
“One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year.”
I agree on that too. AIDS slowed them down a little bit, but many still engage in sex even while having AIDS. Yet, no one dares to say anything about them spreading AIDS. No one wants to be called a homophobe. But I really don’t know why being called a homophobe has to bother people. If you really think homosexuality is wrong you have to speak up. Maryland just became the next state to allow same-sex marriage. Horrible!
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Ask the average man how many women he meets every day who he’d agree to fuck if she said he could. That is the answer to “how many lifetime partners does the average man want?”
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This is exactly what I was thinking while I read the article. Not a day goes by that I don’t see or meet a handful of women that I would define as very attractive and would like to have sex with. There’s your answer. Too many men, too many people in general are too afraid of their own desires. I say own it.
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I have to chime in with the “Eventually, you get bored”, group.
When I was 11, I swore that I’d marry a “strong black woman”. At 18, I started down the path of finding that “strong black woman”.
When I was 21, after finding myself firmly outside of the preferred cock carousel for “strong black women” (read as, I wasn’t thugs enough or rich enough), I swore that I’d marry the first “strong” woman who would take me. At 28, after one death and 5 women who were (in retrospect) too good at acting “good”, I started down the path of PUA competency.
When I was 31, I realised that I’d actually “fucked” the world. Thanks, in part, to Facebook, I was able to type names of former partners into FB and see their true origins. I’d fucked my way through Europe, most of Latin America, the Caribbean, every Asian country whose name would be easily recognisable, 5 Muslim countries and over a dozen African countries. I reached a quick conclusion: only fuck women from (my perspective) “virgin” countries. From my 32nd birthday to now, I’ve added another dozen African countries, half of the Pacific Islands, New Zealand/Tasmania, Malaysia, Nepal, Bhutan, Pakistan, Oman and 8 different Native American/Canadian tribes. Irony being what it is, my lack of interest in American women has made me virtual catnip for almost all of them (and, on the few occasions in which a woman from a “new” country has been in the same area as a turned-on American woman, has helped my “capture the flag” Game immensely. I earned my Bhutan flag when I snubbed a blonde in a bar, then went outside and lit the Bhutanese girl’s cigarette.) All of this, and I still test negative for STDs.
Bottom line: too much of a good thing is never good for you. The 18-19 year old me (who respected women so much that he would *never, ever* insist on sex on the 10th date!), wouldn’t recognise the man who earned his North Korea, Okinawa and Moldava flag in one weekend. I used to pay for 4* hotels; now, I take Gucci/Versace/Wang wearing girls to the “no-tell” (if I bother to pay anything at all.) It’s “fun”, but it begins to feel empty after a while. At least, until I’m drinking on 46th Street in Manhattan and I hear some drunk chick tell her friend, “I’ll bet you’re glad you took that plane from Singapore now, aintcha?”, and my player-sense begins to tingle…
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You’re too quick to dismiss the data on what gay guys actually do. Even an average gay guy can get partners at least as good looking as himself. For a lot of young gay men, that means there’s a lot of decent looking people out there to screw. Variety is variety, even if it’s just a bunch of 6s.
Furthermore, if a gay guy wants better looking partners, all he needs to do is hit the gym, as many of them do. If you want to become a gay butterface, you know exactly what needs to be done and, unlike a hetero man, you’ll see an immediate return on your investment. Working out has a lot fewer moving parts than learning game. And yet they still aren’t screwing around to the extent you might think.
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they aren’t telling me what men, or women, would do IN REAL LIFE if they had no restrictions on their buffet of mate choice.
Again, what gays actually do does gives us a good indication of how men would act. If you’re gay, you can basically get a new (decent looking) guy to suck your dick after work every single day of your life, with no one finding out and almost no chance of an STD.
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That would probably bore a gay man. He’d have to find a more exciting outlet to keep up the thrill…which would involved people finding out and STDs flowing.
Or he could take up the challenge of becoming straight.
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we have to examine what kinds of partner counts real men with virtually UNLIMITED OPTIONS acquire
Again, this is why the gay guy data is important.
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Step 1: Become a sperm donor using a sperm bank to minimize risks of child support.
After finishing step 1:
Step 2: Become a PUA and use condoms.
Enjoy the best of both worlds.
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botm?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/29/jennie-scott-florida-arrested-oral-sex_n_2381876.html?ref=topbar
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You want to see beta rage?
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That show is about girl vomit.
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Lolz! Never knew that beta were so enraged which is why they are called creeps.
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Can I go off topic? I ran across this about the FI in a book I was reading:
While the behaviour of the men on the Titanic represented to the popular imagination the ‘natural’ order confirmed by the sea, Inez Milholland was a symbol of the increasingly unnatural order of things on land. Aged eighteen, she had made four militant suffrage speeches on a soap box in Hyde Park and paraded the streets of London with a banner emblazoned with ‘Votes for Women’. In 1911, Milholland appeared in barely disguised form as the passionate heroine of Isaac Stevenson’s novel, An American Suffragette. Her presence at the inquiry today was a reminder of the ‘Votes or Boats’ debate which had been ignited by the Titanic disaster: women in the lifeboats had refused to return to rescue the men whose gallantry they had been only too pleased to accept on the sinking ship. ‘What do women want?’, the newspapers asked. It seemed that chivalry at sea was considered chauvinism on land. ‘I suggest, henceforth,’ said a man from St Louis, ‘when a woman talks women’s rights, she be answered with the word Titanic, nothing more – just Titanic? ‘The heroism of the men on the Titanic,’ wrote the Baltimore Sun, shows ‘that women can appeal to a higher law than that of the ballot for justice, consideration and protection.’ A writer calling himself ‘Mere Man’ asked if ‘the suffragette would have stood on that deck for woman’s rights or for woman’s privileges?’
Wilson, Frances (2011-10-18). How to Survive the Titanic (Kindle Locations 2252-2254). Harper Perennial.
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Most women want both – rights AND privilege – and they think feminism will give it to them. But this is one of the greatest fallacies of the movement. Most women don’t realize that it’s a one-or-the-other situation. We are either essential or disposable, in a biological/reproductive sense, and being “equal” to men means being equally disposable, and therefore, unworthy of special consideration in such a disaster situation as the Titanic.
If forced to make the choice, though, almost all women – even, perhaps especially, the feminists – would choose privilege.
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Imagine what the men dying of exposure in the water thought when they saw their women wouldn’t come back to save them.
Buncha betas got screwed. And women have never expressed remorse. I saw the movie. All they cared about was the diamond. The men who saved themselves were of course made to look small in the movie.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/23/aurora-shooting-boyfriends-died-protecting-girlfriends_n_1695290.html
How many feminists jumped in front of bullets for their boyfriends?
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I’d say a fairly natural order of things is for a man to die protecting his woman, and for a woman to die protecting her children.
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Like it or not, most likely this IS the natural order of things. Remember that a woman will typically NOT protect her man, although exceptions exist. Be careful about buying large amounts of life insurance, make sure you are worth more alive than dead – to her. Especially if you are married.
No, I don’t mean that she would be tempted to kill you, but in a pinch
her instinct will be to let you go. The “worth more” is the easiest way
to deflect this.
Thor
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Thank you for sharing this.
Sums up the whole problem of feminists today.
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Wanting is one thing. Deep down, every man wants to screw every attractive woman he sees. But beyond the fact that most guys are limited in this, the “want” factor gets dialed down when you play the scenario through.
Sure, you might *want* to screw this one, but she’ll make your life hell; the other one will whine and tell everyone you’re a cad and that will end that. So “want” is both an instinctive thing and an intellectual one. If sex could all be emotion-free, it’d be easy.
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Sure, this reflects how some men think. But how do you know every man thinks like this. You can’t get there through introspection.
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Ah the evasive ‘some’ but ‘not every’ response. An overwhelming majority of men think this way. See porn. Men who masturbate at least once a day (how many you guess?) would quite happily have the object of lustful desire in the room in the act with them if absolutely no strings were attached. The comment about how many women you see each day and think ‘I’d fuck the shit out of her’ nailed it (heh).
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Let’s balk down a little. If you see say three young women you would
like to have sex with in a day, and there were no restrictions etc. and they were all willing (lots of assumptions), it is still very unlikely that you would do all three. Mainly, once you are off with number 1, you would not likely run
into both #2 and #3.
Thor
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Wrong. See Coolidge Effect.
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(if by ‘run into’ you mean fuck)
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My point was, there are only so many hours in a day.
Thor
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“Sure, you might *want* to screw this one, but she’ll make your life hell; the other one will whine and tell everyone you’re a cad and that will end that.”
This is a good example (no offense intended here, I know you’re exaggerating) of what I wrote down below where society conditions guys to think that there’s always some other shoe about to drop with sex and that there’ll be all these negative consequences (losing your relationship, drama, losing your time, headaches etc etc).
The notion that you can just have strings-free casual sexual relationships with multiple women who know you have those same relationships with other women besides them is like, not even a possibility to most guys. Even Naturals tend to get wrapped up in drama etc. PUAs are the only ones who really consciously approach creating these relationships efficiently and with as little long-term drama as possible and purposely figuring out how to keep them going for as long as possible (though some guys like the one night stand short-term stuff).
And these relationships don’t even have to end bad. A lot of them end when the girl eventually meets some relationshippy guy and dates him for a bit (while fucking you and making him wait for sex lol) then decides he’s a good guy and vanishes to go pursue that. You just wish her the best of luck, hope she gets what she’s looking for, and move on to another girl. Sure you miss some of them here and there but it’s often really minimal drama overall and usually you can keep in touch anyway so down the road you can re-kindle things or just reach out to her to say hi sometime and catch up on life.
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“And these relationships don’t even have to end bad. A lot of them end when the girl eventually meets some relationshippy guy and dates him for a bit (while fucking you and making him wait for sex lol) then decides he’s a good guy and vanishes to go pursue that. You just wish her the best of luck, hope she gets what she’s looking for, and move on to another girl. Sure you miss some of them here and there but it’s often really minimal drama overall and usually you can keep in touch anyway so down the road you can re-kindle things or just reach out to her to say hi sometime and catch up on life.”
Pretty much my experience with this caveat: “but it’s often really minimal drama overall and usually you can keep in touch anyway so down the road you can re-kindle things or just reach out to her to say hi sometime and catch up on life.”
In my experience they always push the drama to the brink because they want children by me, and when they (finally finally finally) realize they’re not going to get it from me, they break off all ties and settle with a beta. In my twenties, they didn’t do that. In my thirties, they do. It’s sad, because I still love them the same, just not going to commit to an exclusive relationship with them.
YR, any tips on keeping around girls who want your kiddos that are utterly crushed when they realize they aren’t going to have them? It sucks investing in all that intimacy and bonding, only to have them break clean out of heartache. Suggestions?
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Dread game seems to help for the longevity of these types of relationships. That, and throwing a bunch on the wall, and some stick for a long time.
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“It sucks investing in all that intimacy and bonding, only to have them break clean out of heartache.”
Why would you be hurt they left you when you yourself don’t want it to last with them? If you’re not going to commit to a woman it means you can live without her no problems, so it’s not like you bonded that deeply just to have the girl be wrested from your bosom. I found your comment a bit odd.
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‘Why would you be hurt they left you when you yourself don’t want it to last with them?”
Understandable question. I don’t feel “hurt.” The issue is loss of return on investment. Would prefer that they go about their life and I go about mine, but that we maintain some level of the investment that we made in one another. Have come to believe that’s not realistic, but if someone has hacked this particular paradox, I’m all ears.
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“any tips on keeping around girls who want your kiddos that are utterly crushed when they realize they aren’t going to have them?”
I didn’t give you a million dollars today…were you crushed by that? Nope. ‘Cause you weren’t expecting me to give you a million dollars today. You probably don’t even hate me or resent me and our relationship could stay the same.
Now what if I told you, or hinted at, or simply allowed you to convince yourself that I was going to give you a million dollars today and you spent all month dreaming about it and how you’d spend it and how it’d feel to hold in your hands and all the ways your life would be amazing as soon as I give you that million dollars…and then today I don’t give you that million dollars. How much more disappointed would you be then? You’d probably resent me and it might even be too frustrating and disappointing after all that build-up in your head to even be around me anymore.
In your 20s, they probably assumed you weren’t going to provide kids etc. because you’re still young and doing your thing. In your 30s, they probably assume you’re ready to start settling down because society tells us that men should be marrying and raising kids in our 30s so by default they assume it’s an option if they win you over.
The best way to get around this is to completely take yourself off the table as a Provider. If you know I have no money, or I tell you I hate money etc., you aren’t going to assume I’m going to give you a million dollars someday. So in your 30s you kind of have to actively make them aware that this isn’t something you’re offering, willing, or able to provide.
You could lie about it and say you’re unable to have kids or had a vasectomy but lies often lead to complicated webs down the road (“well then let’s not use a condom!” lol). You could be abrasive and make a note to point out “ugh, I hate kids” when you two see a little kid at a grocery store crying or whatever. You could tell girls that you had “a friend” who got fucked over by his wife and can’t see his kids and that you don’t want to go through any of that. You could tell women you have too much left to do with your life (build a business, travel goals, etc.) to let having kids slow you down. etc. etc.
Basically you have to take the notion that it’s even a remote possibility that it could happen, completely off the table, and hold onto that frame with an iron grip no matter what she throws at you (and she WILL test you).
This can be difficult to do because:
1) you will probably lose some relationships that could’ve lasted longer if you had just swayed a little or let her believe in the hope just a tiny bit…the cure for this is fostering an abundance mentality instead of allowing the feeling of scarcity to make you cave (“oh no I’ll lose her if I say I hate kids, I’ll just say maybe someday down the road with the right girl I could consider it but not right now…that’ll be better, then I won’t lose her”)…if you let it cave you, you will continue getting this drama so it comes down to whether you’d rather lose a few girls here and there or keep dealing with this.
2) she will test you HARD, for your whole relationship depending on how much she wants kids. There’ll be a lot of awkward moments where she “subtly” tries to get you to see her view and win you over and admit you secretly want kids someday etc. etc. She’ll try to avoid using condoms with you, she may even sabotage them depending on how crazy she is (don’t let her provide the condoms and put them on your dick yourself and always use brand new condoms…a few bucks for a box of condoms is better than 18 years of child support). Down the road she’ll probably cry and tell you you’re hurting her. Past that she may even get angry/violent with you. These are all like classic psychological reactions to not getting your way, similar to how the guy describes the way women will react when you punish them (about halfway through this video):
That in itself can be a frustrating amount of drama to deal with in a relationship and you may have to start Soft/Hard Nexting your girls to train them out of shit-testing you about it all the time:
http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?5492-How-To-Soft-Next-Step-by-step-instructions-and-answers-to-questions
But wait, there’s good news!
If you hold your frame rock-fucking-solid for long enough, congruently, through enough shit-tests (how many you have to pass varies depending on the woman), eventually the stronger frame wins and she’ll accept your frame and write you off as not someone who can/will provide her with kids. She may leave at this point, but more likely if you have a good sexual relationship, she’ll just shop around for a beta provider type to have kids with but still fuck you. She’s usually still attracted to you, nothing’s changed there, it’s just that her wiring says “okay there’s no blood to squeeze out of this stone, let’s move on for the sake of our biology”.
Personally, I COULD actually see myself wanting kids someday, and even to raise them with a woman. There are some appealing things about the white-pickett fence lifestyle that as I get older, might appeal to me.
BUT, for the sake of keeping my life and relationships drama-free, do I let women know this? Fuck no. I make sure to come across like I would never ever want those things. Down the road if I find a woman I want to do that stuff with I can always let her “win me over” and go for it. But I get much less hassle in my life if I don’t allow them any possibility of thinking I’m going to give them that million dollars someday.
I learned this stuff first-hand by breaking a lot of very sweet relationship-quality girls’ hearts. I hate making women cry, coming off as too effed up for a serious relationship is better for both of us to me lol
Good luck!
P.S. Ignore NiteLily’s troll-baiting.
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Interesting. You’ve suggested pretty much every strategy I’ve employed (minus the “I’m too fucked up to be in a relationship” gambit — I could never bring myself to utilize that one, but have definitely considered it.)
“Basically you have to take the notion that it’s even a remote possibility that it could happen, completely off the table, and hold onto that frame with an iron grip no matter what she throws at you (and she WILL test you).”
This is what I’ve basically distilled it to, and it does work; however, it tends to preclude the deeper aspects of relationships with women that I personally enjoy.
To date, I consider it a conundrum to which I haven’t yet found an answer. C’est la vie, I suppose.
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Perhaps men wanting so many different women is an attempt to re-create the first time….or something. Not emotionally, but the physical sensations, the ineffable ones. I know this much, I will never forget how incredible it was the first time I slipped inside a warm, moist, accepting vagina.
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I think Our Genial Host should do a post about effort vs. reward, because that’s what this one is really about.
For rock stars, George Clooney, and Wilt Chamberlain, the effort in getting laid is pretty much zero. I mean, they could literally go over to a hot girl at a party and say “Hi, I’m George Clooney — want to come back to my place?” with a very high expectation of success. They don’t need to do an hour or more of negging, demonstrating their unconcern, maybe getting a phone number, going on a couple more dates, and finally scoring.
So when it’s literally zero effort, it’s pretty obvious that they’ll have as many partners as their bodies can physically manage. It’s as if they are married to all women, so getting laid is about like a married man taking his wife to bed.
Of course, few of us — even zen master PUAs — can reach the zero-effort realm that wealth, fame, and massively promoted good looks create. We have to work at it.
Which means there is a COST. Even when it’s low, it’s there. Some nights you just don’t want to invest the mental energy (and cash) in wooing a new conquest. It’s convenient to have a long-term partner — what in a saner world would be your “wife” — for low-cost sex.
[Heartiste: Good points, but remember that wives can lose interest in their hubbies who take them for granted as low-cost sex relievers without returning the favor by displaying adequate alpha maleness — what happens to these hubbies is what is known in industry parlance as “betatization”. So that low-cost sex you thought you would be getting by acquiring a wife can quickly cost you a lot of mental energy if she becomes dissatisfied with you. Which can then cost you a lot of financial pain should her dissatisfaction find its outlet in the pro-woman law and divorce industrial complex.]
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Not an exaggeration. In Wendy Leigh’s bio of Arnold, in his Venice Beach days he would just enter a bar, walk up to the hottest chick and say, “Hey, wanna fuck?” And they’d almost always walk out with him. I don’t think he worried much about saying it “over the shoulder” or prefacing it with a “false time constraint”, LOL.
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I read The Rock admitting the same thing. He pretty much just has to say, “Hi, I’m Dwayne” — and boom, she’s usually good to go.
Gods walk amongst us.
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Exactly the same thing with Hulk Hogan in his days, when he fucked his colleagues wife (There is a scandal recorded tape of it too, where the wife screams with delight) and didn’t left Macho Man randy savage’s onscreen and offscreen girlfriend.
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You really think Clooney has had sex with thousands of women?
And I doubt anyone who consciously adopts the title of ‘PUA’ has unlimited options (lol look at ‘Tyler Durden’ — can anyone tell me with a straight face that is a man who has options?)
I’m 27 years old, gay. I’ve had sex with slightly under 400 different partners since losing my virginity at 16.
In terms of attractiveness, I would say I am significantly above average. I am a hardcore gym enthusiast and long-time user of anabolic steroids — although, facially, I’m probably average, maybe a little better than average — so let’s say an 8 or 9 out of 10.
It is physically and mentally taxing to have that many partners. And I am speaking as someone more chemically enhanced than Barry Bonds — anywhere from 150 mg test/week to 750 mg/test per week, Viagra, ProVigil, and occasional coke and crystal meth use.
I could be having sex right now. Straight people don’t understand how easy it is for gay men, even ugly gay men, to have sex.
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That’s still over one different partner a week, probably something that isn’t even imaginable to most straight men. I would ask you how many gay men would choose a man like George Clooney over you though if he was available 😉
With that kind of testosterone intake (I assume you are using straight up testosterone) enanthate you will also have a fairly higher level of estradiol and low levels of GnRH, FSH and LH. It’s hard to say what the effects on libido will be, it varies from consumer to consumer. That you are taking Viagra might be a sign that not all is well in that area, or do you just use it to protect your heart?
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Being a man with options aligns with one of the key criteria of “pre-selection” which is one of the 3 criteria of sparking attraction in women—the other 2 being “leader of men” and “protector of women and children”.
I think for newbies into game and those refining their own like me, the “man with options” concept needs to be calibrated. You can have them—how you communicate and sub-communicate that will determine your success.
If you’re seen to be over-gaming and being a player, that triggers a woman’s ASD and then plays into the hands of game haters.
But communicating inner confidence, being outcome independent are crucial.
As i now go into my third year of learning and understanding game, i end 2012 having banged 11 women, most under 30 and apart from one, all 7’s or above.
I’d love to see more posts and articles on improving inner game, and how to subcommunicate the “man with options” concept without over-gaming.
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Just want to say props on your progress dude! It’s been good to see your skills develop thru your posts. Keep it up in 2013! 🙂
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I really think you shouldn’t use gay male behavior as a guide to what straight males would do if women were just more promiscuous and less-selective.
And, there is certainly a wide range of behavior among gay men, so putting all gay men into one category is also incorrect.
BUT:
The behavior of gay men in response to the AIDs epidemic is totally unlike that of the straight male population. The gay men actively spread their disease (blood donations), hid their status, and fought every routine public health effort to stop the spread of this STD (partner notification, routine testing of patients, routine testing of “healthy” people, ie. screening, testing of people getting a marriage license, testing pregnant women). They did this for over two decades.
Meanwhile, the epidemic has maintained itself among gay men while the disease has stayed rare among white men. (Please don’t bring up blacks. They are another situation entirely.)
The average straight man, who has a hard wired instinct to protect the herd, would never promote such dangerous policies. I can only conclude that gayness is a reflection of an “other wired brain,” like some form of autism. They seem to have a female type of personality with a male sex drive. That is, they are victims, can’t help themselves, don’t call me a slut, etc. No personal responsibility. No pity for their victims.
Of course, they were helped in doing this by the exact same white liberal men who pushed feminism and single motherhood. There are patterns in life.
There are major differences in how the male and female brain function, demonstrated by brain scans. I wonder if studies have been done on gay men to see if their brain scans match males or females. I would think nobody would dare do such a study. Imagine if he found that gay men have brains more like females than males in some respects. He would be finished as a respectable researcher, and would lose all his research money. No hope for tenure.
Anyhow, please don’t compare straight men to gay men. Both groups would be offended.
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Such studies, comparing the brains of gays to females, have been done and are well-known–the most famous study showed that gays are more similar to women than to straight men with respect to the hippocampus, the part of the brain associated with a variety of memory operations. I would be surprised if there were not others.
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Women have a 50% bigger Corpus Callosum than men.
How about gay men?
(OTOH, men have a much bigger Cavernosum).
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Nils
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Citing gay male sexual behavior in this community as a reference point is completely off base. Male homosexuality is an energetic inversion. Most (the vast majority) of men in this community do not share that imbalance. They want to fuck women, as they should, biologically. Yes, the universal testosterone-driven urge to fuck exists in men, but fucking other men is not a universal urge. 2% of the population does not extrapolate to 80% of the population. Rather, it’s disgusting. At the lowest point in MOST men’s life, they would still prefer to fuck a woman over a man. Purge your brain of its PC programming.
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Agreed, and againI’m reminded of the complete illogical behavior of some men in American prisons. I don’t care how long I’m in he clink, ain’t no man’s ass ever gonna start looking appealing to me, nor will his mouth!
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“I can only conclude that gayness is a reflection of an “other wired brain,” like some form of autism. They seem to have a female type of personality with a male sex drive. That is, they are victims, can’t help themselves, don’t call me a slut, etc. No personal responsibility. No pity for their victims.”
They have an even stronger sexual drive than heterosexual men. However, If you pay attention, most gay men are extremely childish and immature, which is why they come across like women. And their immaturity and unbridled sexual desire doesn’t allow them to seek sex with women, which has consequences like pregnancy and other limitation women have, such as non-promiscuity. I just saw some clips of Anderson Cooper giggling like a school girl on New Year’s Eve. Apparently, Kathy Griffin was kissing his crutch on TV and he was giggling away. That’s a serious newsman? What straight man would allow this?
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Gay men have no more higher a sexual drive than hetero men. They Just don’t have to contend with the object of their desire (women) restricting their behavior.
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Remember that “Alpha Men constrained because of “certain norms” – such as marriage or politics.” —
This is the “Feminine Imperative” at work. There needs to be a new “Masculine Imperative.”
This would involve acknowledging that
1. Monogamy is unnatural – it suits women, not men. Men are agreeing to it, but sacrifice much more than a woman.
2. That Females want the “Best Available Man” (One Man at a time); while Men want “Variety.” So Females and Males have different needs, and societal norms should accept this.
3. That Men’s SMV is age 38-42. That Alpha Men in this age bracket simply DESERVE to sow their oats with younger-hotter-tighter pussy in the 18-24 age bracket – their “cheating” is harmless compared to a girl’s more dangerous hypergamy.
And so long as married Alphas do not put it in the face of their wives and children, everyone involved should “turn the other way.”
What’s changed from 2013 to the 1950’s is that women WOULD “turn the other way”. We need to go back to this.
Men in Manosphere need to be bluntly talking about a “Masculine Imperative” and formulating one that “rigs the game in favor of men”– just as completely as the Feminine Imperative has “rigged the game” in favor of women.
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Random shit as I enjoy the after-glow of my first new vag lay of 2013:
1) I wanted “The One” back before getting more than one was an option because it was SO outside my reality to be able to get a variety of women that I couldn’t even conceive of it. That was “other guys” or “those sleazy player assholes”. I would’ve answered 2-4 back in the day probably. Now the question itself makes me laugh like what in the world other answer could there be than infinite? lol how much free money do you want? how many days would you like to have 6-pack abs for? lol
2) it has nothing to do with the woman not being awesome as a person or keeping them all at a distance. She can be great and I can be in love with her and want to see her all the time and be all shmoopy and turn down other girls for her because i legitimately like her more and shit, but its like someone said, do you eat the same meal every single day? For the rest of your LIFE? Regardless of whether that meal is cooked badly some days or for years at a time?
Variety is nice. Both sexually (some girls like slow romantic sex, some are good hate-fucks, some love giving head, some like doing kinky shit, some have super sensitive clits and can only cum once and they’re toast, some can squirt for hours, etc) and physically (classy high-end socialite business chick, tattooed rocker badass chick, submissive Asian chick, loud obnoxious party girl, young naive virgin chicks, older milf chick who rocks your world in bed, etc). Unless I meet a girl who wears various wigs and outfits in bed, and also likes a massive massive variety of sex, and like, can speak in a bunch of different accents, I can’t see settling down with just one. And even then, it wouldn’t be as good because part of the lure of variety is the different personalities. How often do people cheat with someone who’s exactly like their significant other and how often do they cheat with someone who’s the total opposite or reminds them of how their S.O. *used* to be before they let themselves go in the relationship (bad boy asshole turned whipped beta, sexpot flirty girl turned fatty who hates her body, etc), ya know?
3) I think part of the answers is that most guys don’t realize that you can just fuck around and not date or make her your girlfriend or have it be a “thing” that takes any significant time or effort etc to keep going. So a guy thinks “well ya that playboy model chick is hot but dating them is a headache and my girl is no drama so nah I wouldn’t want her” because they’re picturing a serious relationship, instead of it being more like if that chick were just there, spreading her legs, begging you to fuck her, consequence-free with no strings attached, would you have a boner yes or no? Or replace that with whatever you like that gets you going. So the guys aren’t even in the right headspace to answer.
Take the chick I just sent off. We hooked up right away and she’s a cool chick, good lay and we have good flirty chemistry. But I made sure to lay the groundwork that i’m a casual fling guy to basically just txt when she’s horny or flirty and not a guy to escort her to things or invite her out to party or go for drinks or anything. I also made sure to feel out her views by being non-judgemental and sharing my own views first on sex, relationships, seriousness, clingyness, some of her dating and fucking history, etc so I screened her for red flags that would say she wanted me to be a serious relationship and with this one there aren’t any flags but even when there are, often you can work around them or delay them becoming an issue with proper Game.
So now to maintain this casual fuckbuddy setup with her, all I do is pop her a flirty txt once a week or so, or respond to hers here and there and flirt a bit. Then tell her to come over when it’s convenient for me, which can even be like 2am after I’m done partying with my friends and getting other girls’ numbers etc. She’ll show up done up all sexy (since she’s here to turn me on, not to go grocery shopping or some relationshippy stuff where she isn’t concerned with her appearances), we’ll fool around and both get off and she knows from the frame I set like I described before, that I’m not the guy to stay with overnight so a few minutes of cuddling after all the orgasms and she’s off heading home and I do whatever I want with the rest of my day/night.
And most guys will go “well that girl is just a slut. Anyone could bang her, she’s a whore not like the madonnas *I* date”
The thing is, a “normal” guy would meet her and treat her special and not plow through to the bang instantly (we had a “date” planned but I just pinned her against the wall and made out and we skipped that…gotta save $ when you’re poor lol). He’d take her on a date and set the frame of courting her and by setting that frame that she’s the prize, she’ll naturally fall into the frame that she’s the prize, so she’ll act more reserved with him, trying to live up to his vision of her, to not look like a slut.
That guy will wine and dine her for 3 dates and then try to kiss her and it’ll be wonderful and awesome like the movies and maybe she’ll fall in love and they’ll live happily ever after together…
…but he’ll have no idea how fast he could’ve moved if he understood Game. So when he answers the question of how many women, he’s picturing investing 3+ dates, months of a relationship developing, her getting clingy when he has to break it off, etc etc instead of how a PUA views the question where it’s “well I banged last night’s random girl again this morning when we woke up, then she went home and a fuckbuddy came over and brought me food and beer so my fridge and liquor are re-stocked for free and that’s convenient, and tonight I’ll get another new girl or run into a fuckbuddy when I’m out with my friends and let her drive me home when I’m done partying”. You could have mini-harems of 2-5 girls going for years switching new/old girls in and out of them without really having to invest anything but a few txts and orgasms lol. And if you just want sex once a week or so, or need to focus on work for a few months, or if you meet a cool girl abd want to settle with her as your Primary for a few years, that’s cool too, the girls will still be there and you’ll still have the option of hassle-free variety when you want it, when you have Game.
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What the hell is a “vag lay?” (I didn’t read the rest of it)
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Vag = short for vagina
“New vag lay” = banging a new girl you’ve never fucked
“Old vag lay” = banging a girlfriend or fuckbuddy
Not PUA terminology, just what my buddies and I call them lol
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This is true.
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We use it to make fun of eachother.
“Ya I took a girl home Saturday and we banged”
“New vag?”
“Well we hooked up a couple times a few months ago…”
“Wow. Awesome. Hey guess what!! Yesterday I kissed my girlfriend!!! Let me tell you the exciting story!!!”
“lol fuck you.”
It’s all in good fun between friends though lol
Relevant HIMYM quotes:
Barney: Which one of us has more game?
Marshall: Neither one of you has any game, right? Or else you’d be married. Like me.
Barney: What?
Marshall: If dating is the game, then marriage is winning the game.
Ted: If you’re playing in the women’s league.
And:
Marshall: I am not irrelevant!
Ted: What?
Marshall: I crunched the numbers. If Lily and I have been together ten years, we’ve had sex 1,053 times. That’s more times than Barney’s ever had sex and to your point Ted, Lily is a quality girl. I win! Lawyered.
Barney: Doesn’t count.
Marshall: It has to!
Ted: It does. It counts as one time. You’ve had sex once. How was it?
Marshall: …I still matter!
😦
lol on a side note, this kind of “bro bonding” and talking smack to eachother about getting laid was a totally foreign assholish concept to me when I was first starting to learn pickup and was one of the things where I had to learn “ohhhh it’s not actually being mean to eachother once you’re both confident enough to not attribute your self-worth to whether you got laid that weekend”. It took a while to realize its actually a form of respect, like “I can make fun of you for this because you seem confident enough at it that you won’t take my ribbing personally”. Mind was fucking blown when I pieced that together and suddenly realized half the AMOG assholes annoying me were actually good guys who just didn’t realize I was still in the “fake it” stage of fake it till you make it lol. Now a lot of them are good buddies of mine.
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“It took a while to realize its actually a form of respect, like “I can make fun of you for this because you seem confident enough at it that you won’t take my ribbing personally””
This is a crucial piece of inner game, and for the meta understanding of not only game, but life itself. Realizing this about 2 years ago, in no small part from reading this blog, it completely renewed the relationship I have with my father, a natural alpha who jokes with & teases everyone in his life from a frame of amused mastery. I used to think he was a jerk, and an asshole, not “sensitive to people’s feelings, etc” . Now I realize he is a sterling example of a traditional alpha male, a natural with supreme in-born frame control.
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@Revo
Glad your relationship with your father has worked out. It really is like two sides of a coin when you finally understand male interaction that way. I legitimately thought a lot of guys were complete asshole shitty people because I completely didn’t understand the way they communicate or the reasoning behind it.
I think there’s a market for a book on legit street-level male psychology, like applying PUA principles to interacting with other men and earning respect, handling AMOGs, father/son dynamics, etc. It’s stuff I could have used when I was a nerdy outcast in high school lol
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YaReally comments are as good as the posts in this blog. I´m not the one saying it: start your own blog man! no commitment to post frequently… but you have much to say, and you write very well!
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I think he already has a very large online presence of his own.
Not sure why he uses a nom de plume when posting here.
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lol I’m not Tyler if that’s what you’re suggesting. 🙂 But I bet he and I could have a fucking fascinating conversation about Game.
No blog plans, it’s too time-consuming to make it readable. If there was some way to auto-post what I write, along with the threads it’s a part of, to a WordPress blog I’d give it a go, but when you take my posts completely out of context of both the discussions and articles they’re in, it’s all a pretty big disorganized jumble. Most of my writing is in response to things, not stand-alone article style.
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Straight men would act like gay men if the women would go along. I’d have a different woman every night if it were feasible.
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It is feasible. Not recommending it, just saying that it’s feasible.
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I think it would be too much work to arrange to be feasible (unless with pros in which case it would too expensive).
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“How much free money do you want?” I think he got it. 🙂
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Joe Namath is supposed to have said he had over 500 girls when he played football at the University of Alabama in the late 60s. I considered that a goal to aspire to. I didn’t make it—quite—200 for me.
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Did your cock stop working or why have you given up on that goal?
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I got old, got married, and developed Peyronie’s condition.
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I’ve never been happy with just one porn video.
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Ive had sex with 3 different women in one day…just in my daily flow .. (without trying for notch count or thrill seeking.. no effort) … a number of times … if I could have sex with women I meet in course of a day that turn me on and we connect .. I will
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On the OP — yeah, I’m sure every male wants to bang hundreds of chicks, but even with game, most guys simply will never have that kind of choice. So, I mean…if you have a little white lie you tell yourself to get you through the day, it seems better than just realizing — every day — that you will never get what you want, regardless of what you do.
Update:
It’s been sort of rough. I’m still in that awkward phase of trying to build an identity, and for the most part it kind of sucks. I’ve noticed a lot of little things that irritate me. For instance, most of the time, I have to initiate everything — hang outs, conversations, etc. This obviously means I’m doing something wrong, but I still have yet to figure out what that -something- is. That -something- is important because I feel like it has to a lot to do with attraction, and that’s, unfortunately, what I believe my biggest sticking point is right now.
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“It’s been sort of rough. I’m still in that awkward phase of trying to build an identity, and for the most part it kind of sucks.”
No lie: it’s going to suck for a while lol you’re doing a massive overhaul. I can’t even count how many awkward nights, conversations, approaches, social faux pas, bad miscalibrarions, embarrassing peacocking, massive shit-testing, etc I ran into my first few years when I was in that stage. There is no way to make it less shitty, but on the plus side this is the stage where you learn to find the silver lining in things and celebrate even tiny little minor victories like just putting on pants and going out to the bar, etc…because if you don’t dig into every nook and cranny to find SOMETHING to give yourself props over, the negative experiences will overwhelm you and you’ll quit.
This is part of why a guy has to hit rock-bottom before he can get into pickup seriously, because the thought of living his life the way he’s been living it for his teens and adulthood has to be more painful than the thought of putting on pants and going out to embarrass himself and get shit on all night, week after week lol. It’s like someone working out because their doctor said if you don’t lose weight you will die in a month. Suddenly their imaginary thyroid problem they didn’t even get diagnosed vanishes and suddenly calories in vs calories out works for them when it was just a myth before and suddenly they find 2 hours a day to workout that they didn’t have before. 🙂
A couple things you can try are to disassociate yourself from your results. Look at everything as a social experiment like you’re a scientist in a lab just running experiments and noting the results. The other thing is to drill into your head that you are not your results, people rejecting you or thinking you’re weird or tooling you is based on the vibe you’re projecting or the way you’re displaying yourself and not on who you are to the core as a person because they can’t see that yet…so it’s like you’re a beat up car with an amazing engine inside and you haven’t got it rigged up yet so all everyone you pass sees is the beat up car.
These are kind of woo-woo concepts but I’m just throwing them out there because you never know what will click for someone. A bootcamp with the right people could help but I hate recommending guys spend $ on stuff that they can work on for free. It’s hard to say how you’d like having an instructor for a few days boss you around and even then all they can do is get you a glimpse of success and from there you’ll have to do the leg-work you’re doing now or you’ll end up as a “bootcamp didn’t magically fix all my problems what a scam!!” guy haha
For what it’s worth, I still don’t think you’re at a hopeless point at all. You just have a sticking point to narrow down and fix right now. Field Reports (even unsuccessful ones, we call those OTs (an “outing”, went out but basically did nothing or maybe one approach but are generally bummed out…or made some observations people-watching), FRs (normal Field Report, some approaches but no makeouts or anything) and FUs (fuck-up reports lol where you just fail hardcore) are usually how we figure those out because when someone’s got like 10+ Field Reports up you can often notice consisten patterns in their actions that might be triggering their results.
If you post up Field Reports of your frustrating interactions here, I’ll try to help. I always like reading FRs, reading other people’s FRs on a place like Sedfast (google it) helped me progress a lot because you get to see where other people succeed and fail and learn from their experience on top of your own. I had a lot of “oh shit girls keep saying that to me TOO!! And this other guy gave him some advice okay ill try that!” 🙂
On the plus side, one of those silver linings to look at, is that at least you’re aware that you’re doing something wrong. Being aware of it means you can eventually fix it or work around it. That doesn’t help your results, you’re still going to bomb, but at least you can start figuring out a plan of action and work through it…you couldn’t do that if you we’re so socially inept and uncalibrated that you can’t tell there’s anything wrong. 🙂 Tyler from RSD is fucking weird, even today, but he was one of the hardest-case fucked up socially awkward newbies and he KNOWS he’s fucking weird and even 10 years in he’s still trying to learn to be normal…but the important thing is that he has the self-awareness to know that he’s still weird and fucking up and putting people off.
So you have some self-awareness and you can read social interactions and feel the vibe of how people treat you even if you don’t know how to fix it yet. That’s something to be proud of. Baby steps. 🙂
Let’s take a look at it more in-depth tho:
“For instance, most of the time, I have to initiate everything — hang outs, conversations, etc. This obviously means I’m doing something wrong, but I still have yet to figure out what that -something- is.”
3 Qs for the sake of narrowing it down:
1) Would you say that this is the case with your actual friends and main social circle as well as with people you approach when you’re out?
2) Would you say that you’re approaching cold sets (totally random people you’ve never seen or met and who don’t know you or anyone you know) or warm sets (introduced to new people via your friends or social circle etc) and is this the case with warm sets as well as cold? (it’s cool if you mainly do warm approaches, no judgement here, we’re just narrowing down what’s up to diagnose your sticking point better)
3) Would you say the people you’re having to chase around are higher value than you right now, similar value, or lower value? Like a hot girl or the fun out-going good-looking guys in your group, versus some fatty-fat or a shy quiet friend? Again not a judgement or anything, I’m just asking a fat person what their daily diet is like, you know?
“That -something- is important because I feel like it has to a lot to do with attraction, and that’s, unfortunately, what I believe my biggest sticking point is right now.”
My extremely loose diagnosis now would be simply that these people don’t see you as high-value enough to want to initiate with you yet. Brad Pitt doesn’t have to call around asking for movies he can be in, you know? So usually this is just an issue of value.
But that doesn’t help you much in practical terms, does it? lol the good news is there are fixes that can give you an advantage. Like if your social circle sees you as low value, it might be better to go out solo or make new friends because then you aren’t constantly fighting the label of “our lame little buddy we let hang with us if he puts in the effort to chase us down”. On the flip side if your buddies all think you’re awesome and it’s just new people you meet that you have to chase around, then it’s likely a disconnect between how you act with your close friends VS new people which is usually an issue of entitlement and being stifled etc and that comes with its own set of shit to diagnose and worth through (like figuring out your runny nose is just a symptom of a bigger problem like the flu and then treating the flu instead of the runny nose).
I’ll go into more when you answer the questions in this comment so I can narrow it down some more. 🙂
Hang in there! Glad you’re still trying. For what it’s worth this (January-April) is the toughest time of year to pick up because its colder out so less girls go out, as a result there’s more male competition and fighting over the few available girls, and most girls got themselves a boyfriend for the winter so they have someone to take home for Xmas and kiss on NYE and be solidly in a relationship for valentine’s day and take home for Easter etc etc. like its a few months of “you’d better have a boyfriend and not fuck it up or you’re in for lonely/awkward holidays full of relatives asking why you’re still single etc” for girls along with a bunch of cold lonely depressing winter nights not cuddled up to a boyfriend. It can be really tough to even find “single” girls right now.
This usually starts up around October right after they slut it up for Halloween…they go “time to find a man for thanksgiving/xmas!”. There’s a window right after V-Day where a lot of relationships break up though lol and once spring hits a lot of girls become single and on the prowl again. But after the NYE “last chance to find a man before Valentine’s Day” window shuts it can be a rough few months lol
(people still get laid during this time it’s just like comparing a small-town pub to Vegas on spring break, you know? For you just getting a handle on this, it might be rough)
On the plus side in your case you’re still working on the basics of approaching and running normal flirty fun social interactions so its not going to prevent you from working on that. Hell I’d even tell yourself you probably won’t get laid till spring as a way to sort of not beat yourself up about not pulling girls right now. Like focus on “I’m working on my social skills in general right now, all I expect by spring is to be able to approach and flirt a bit and not feel like I’m chasing all the time”.
The pressure to get laid is huge, esp if you go out with buddies who are social and good looking and getting laid and it just confirms all the negative thought loops you get in your head. Like your buddy will go home with a girl this month and you’ll think “fuck, SEE YaReally?? You said it’s hard but my tall buddy took a girl home so it’s all about looks just like I thought!!” 🙂
You’re playing a mental chess game with yourself through this journey, stuff like affirmations, viewing it as a social laboratory, even external stuff like having a game plan of “I’m going to say such and such to X number of sets tonight”, are all tricks PUAs use to try to win that chess game against our brain…until it figures out a way to put us back in Check and we have to come up with a new strategy. 🙂
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Incoming long-ass reply/breakdown with some Qs for you, check back in a couple days when it passes moderation!
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My last full-on field report of sorts was here: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/12/21/were-gonna-need-a-bigger-hamster/#comment-398911
“1) Would you say that this is the case with your actual friends and main social circle as well as with people you approach when you’re out?”
I actually think that with people I cold approach, I’m good at presenting a good front and seeming high value. But, eventually, you have to actually -be- high value. So, thinking about it more, I guess that is something different than attraction.
“2) Would you say that you’re approaching cold sets (totally random people you’ve never seen or met and who don’t know you or anyone you know) or warm sets (introduced to new people via your friends or social circle etc) and is this the case with warm sets as well as cold? (it’s cool if you mainly do warm approaches, no judgement here, we’re just narrowing down what’s up to diagnose your sticking point better)”
Mainly I’m doing warm approaches — I’ve done a few cold approaches, but those are hard on my psyche.
“3) Would you say the people you’re having to chase around are higher value than you right now, similar value, or lower value? Like a hot girl or the fun out-going good-looking guys in your group, versus some fatty-fat or a shy quiet friend? Again not a judgement or anything, I’m just asking a fat person what their daily diet is like, you know?”
Hm. The people I have to chase around are probably objectively higher value. But I dunno, I’d rather hang on to the bottom rung of the cool kids group than be King of the Losers.
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“My last full-on field report of sorts was here”
Dropped a massive analysis for ya as a Reply to that comment, so check it out in a day or so when WordPress lets it show up. Awesome stuff man, you did better than you realize lol
“I actually think that with people I cold approach, I’m good at presenting a good front and seeming high value.”
Ya, this is actually why I asked the question. If your actual friends see you as low-value and you’re trying to “fake it till you make it”, it might actually be better for your progress to avoid your friends who still see you as “the little harmless guy in our group we let tag along” and instead start making friends with random dudes at the bar who will have no previous reference experience of who you are or what your personality or role or label is, and will only know you as what you present yourself (the “fake it” part) and will accept you as that guy. Sort of like how a character actor might foster a situation where he plays his role 24/7 to stay in character and really get into it, VS having to “turn off” his character every day at 5pm when the crew wraps up for the night or he goes on his noon lunch break out of character ording food at McDonald’s.
This’ll be a judgement call on your end. You don’t have to decide today or anything, but pay attention to this stuff and ask yourself “are my friends trying to put me back into their label for me or are they accepting of this new me I’m trying to become?” now and then.
In time you’ll become high-value, but if you’re trying to lose weight it helps to avoid going to wing night with your buddies who don’t really care about your goal and just want you to be “the fun guy who we have fun with at wing night”, you know?
“Mainly I’m doing warm approaches — I’ve done a few cold approaches, but those are hard on my psyche.”
lol all good. Like I say, we’re just diagnosing here. Because you have the height limiting-beliefs to overcome on top of just getting good with girls, and because you actually have ACCESS to social circles that go out and parties and shit, go ahead and stick to warm approaches for a while. For me, I had moved to a new city where I didn’t know anyone, so warm approaches weren’t even possible when I started out…literally my only option was going out solo and cold approaching. I actually enjoy that, but it’s a huge challenge and rough on the psyche like you say, and I’ve got enough experience now that I know how to keep it from de-motivating me. Right now we want you transitioning into this smoothly so don’t feel like you’re not doing “real” game by doing warm sets etc. Down the road you’ll start going out with friends and have some warm sets going and just feel in a good state and naturally approach some randoms here and there. No rush. 🙂
“Hm. The people I have to chase around are probably objectively higher value. But I dunno, I’d rather hang on to the bottom rung of the cool kids group than be King of the Losers.”
Right, no, this isn’t a bad mentality or anything…girls judge you by your friends, especially at a bar where it’s like “that guy’s hot, but my friend would have to fuck his weirdo loser buddy and that’s so not going to happen” when you approach and they can just blow you off.
But 1) if your friends hold you back and try to keep you in your bottom-rung label, then it’s a problem, and 2) a lot of the “losers” at the bar are actually decent dudes who are just having a shy night or whatever, or they have cooler friends that you get in with, etc. so it’s not like you’re befriending the guys from The Big Bang lol Pick guys who look cool (good looking, good style, etc.) but who are standing around kind of quiet/nervous…then even if the guy is kind of lame, he LOOKS cool so girls will be receptive to you two lol
Again, this is all stuff to play by ear and watch out for. You’re in a good spot because you have social circles and parties and all that, so keep doing what you’re doing. If you were a harder case like some guys, I’d have some different advice but there’s no need to bog you down with it. 🙂
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‘This’ll be a judgement call on your end. You don’t have to decide today or anything, but pay attention to this stuff and ask yourself “are my friends trying to put me back into their label for me or are they accepting of this new me I’m trying to become?” now and then.’
I have no idea how to accurately convey this…but I kind of get the feeling that a lot in the group are waiting for me to become cooler, if that makes any sense. Well…so, what happened is that a few years ago, single me and one other person — still probably my best friend in the group — pretty much put together the group through several drunken hangouts. Then, I got into a relationship, so I’ve kind of been out of it for the last two years. Now, these last four months I’ve slowly drifted back. So….thinking about it, I might just be rejoining still. Anyway, long story short, I don’t think they’d object to me being more awesome or banging bitches or acting more dominant or whatever. That said, when I do some legit awkward shit — which I’m sure is going to happen — I’m sure I’ll get called out on it, but it won’t mean anything the next day.
Okay, so I’m going out this weekend. Whole night of sarging. Me and another friend, who also wants to improve his lot with womenz, are going to a bar, splitting up for a few hours, and doing what we can. I’ll probably leave a FR here.
Also…
yeah, I haven’t even talked to kinda-crush or her friend from the last FR. All right, see ya then.
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Good stuff. You’re probably not imagining the waiting for you thing, given that history and how social your friends sound. It sounds like you have a pretty supportive environment in general, so that’ll help you. Usually guys start out from either no social circles or really poisonous ones which is why I keep stressing to watch for it, but it sounds like you’ll be fine hanging with them. And you have a buddy who wants to go out and work on his game at all, that’s a huge benefit, you can encourage eachother and shit.
Swipe some games/challenges off Keys to the VIP to keep your night fun and playful and not a serious life or death mission.
A few PUA games are to give your friend $100 and he gives you $20 back for each approach you do. Or no drinking your next beer till you open a set…so if you pussy out and buy one without opening it’ll get warm and shitty and that’s your punishment (this game saves $ too lol). Or you have 30 seconds to approach ANYONE doesn’t matter who, or your friend punches you in the arm. Or you only get 30 steps before you have to open so if you get to 30 you’re stuck there till you open.
It’s all just ways of keeping shit fun out there. Remember not to base your self-worth on your results, just dick around and focus on escalating and setting a dominant sexual frame
Good luck! Massive props for going out! 😀
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the post is very well done but as you are something of an objective stat freak where does the 10-20% estimate of alpha cocksmen come from? As an old guy trying to remember the cool, confident guys who always were the first to get laid, even in college and accounting for all the jocks and frat rats, I could never estimate more than 1-2% of my contemporaries were in that class. All the Clooneys,jocks and rock stars of the world can’t be more than that. The rest (at least 50%) were helpless omegas and the remaining betas got along as best we could. You guys are doing a great job spreading the word and will up the numbers of successful horny guys but even 10% of single males sounds ridiculously high to me. Maybe the Wall Street assholes skew the numbers.
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“For instance, most of the time, I have to initiate everything — hang outs, conversations, etc.”
You’re not doing anything wrong (as far as this post is concerned). You’re the man. Make your desires reality. (Admittedly, it does get boring.)
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There are a lot of guys who fantasize about having sex with multiple female partners: i.e., getting invited to that orgy they have read about all their lives in Playboy. But how many of them would dive in were they to have the opportunity? How many of them would instead settle for the first female who gave them the time of day? And what if they met a female who was so superlative that they would want shift into monogamy–would they be willing to share her with all the others in the orgy pool?
There’s an assumption here that there is a near-infinite pool of females who are open to casual sex. Actually, those numbers are quite limited, and mainly available only to “alphas” or practitioners of “game.” What most men do is struggle to meet someone decent, and given female hypergamy, this can be difficult in the post-modern era. We’re seeing the long term results playing out in the disintegration of Western Civilization. It just may be that the future will see men and women rallying around warlord bands of alpha males, bringing order to the rubble.
Thus endeth the sermon.
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You need options in a world like this:
http://www.pbfcomics.com/255/
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You watch porn. You´re crtl+tabbing through the videos of many different pornstars. This is what your brain wants, if you weren´t a restrained beta male: dozens different hot babes daily. remember the Coolidge Effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect
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Evolutionary psychologists take a look at Game/PUA.
The dating mind: Evolutionary psychology and the emerging science of human courtship
http://www.epjournal.net/articles/the-dating-mind-evolutionary-psychology-and-the-emerging-science-of-human-courtship/
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A man with options… the man a woman loves to hate. She loves him because she can’t be in control of him.
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Truth. That is the best kind of love to receive, because it is very close to unconditional.
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I can remember reading a Playboy interview of Brett Michaels back in the late 80’s where he was asked how many women he’s had sex with in a single day.
“Eight, and then I went back to the hotel and masturbated before I went to bed.”
There’s a reason pornography has been the single most consistent, obscenely profitable, revenue generating industry the world has ever known, and it has nothing to do with men’s claims of ideally wanting only 1 or 2 lovers in a year.
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Whatever you can imagine, those rock’n’roll dudes have done and even more. Vince Neil of Motley Crue claims that he actually got tired of having mother/daughter threesomes.
I’m not saying it’s right, but it’s a huge wakeup call to people who would pedestalize women.
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Another Brazilian chick auctions off her virginity. More feminists are going to lose their shits. I like how these third-world girls are capitalizing off Western women’s sluttiness.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c3#/video/world/2012/12/31/darlington-brazil-virginity-for-sale.cnn
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Atleast there are some things right with this world.
http://www.parapundit.com/archives/008848.html
Correlation Between Fertility, IQ, Conservative Disposition?
“Several months ago JayMan made a number of interesting points in a post about liberalism, conservatism, HBD, intelligence and fertility. His most interesting observation: the negative correlation between intelligence and fertility that most realists assume hold for all groups does not seem to hold for extreme conservatives. Not only do conservatives have more kids than liberals (as most of my regular readers surely already know) but also, conservatives at the 7-8 range on the WORDSUM score actually have higher than replacement fertility. Wow.”
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Most men would love to have options but their shortage of money means they can’t afford to. At least according to them but I’m not gonna refute it. Less money generally means less options.
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Having options in life, especially with women… Is an attitude, not an expense.
The most i’ve spent on a woman in the past year was ONE bottle of wine, 16.99. Now, divide that by my number this year (8, not counting the inevitable recycled pieces here and there) and you’re looking at roughly 2.12 per woman. Per year.
It costs NOTHING to approach a woman you’d like to spread across your floor or picnic table… and if done so correctly, you can spread her across that table after wiping off the ants and lays patato chips left there from the evening before. Always assume the sale, regardless of what’s in your bank account. Attitude is everything.
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conservatives at the 7-8 range on the WORDSUM score actually have higher than replacement fertility. Wow
Long before conservatives outbreed them, Liberals would have already overthrown Western Civilization and unleashed a new Dark Ages
Chris’ post only means that female beauty will not go extinct, if you now what I mean.
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“This year is the Year of Men With Options…”
Yep.
At 18 years old, got cuckolded with a rather evil woman by having a child. Then another 5 years later with the same woman. (this was the first woman I had ever had sex with. The lone son in a very strict Catholic family, a mom and 3 sisters. Pre-marital sex was something banged into my brain before I could even say “I wanna watch the Flintstones”… in this frame of growing up and learning about “reality”… You impregnate the first girl you sleep with, and you marry girls you impregnate, regardless.) We married temporarily, did all the predictable things and divorced. Took the California court raping like a man-bitch.
4 years ago, in the thralls of what was another terribly imbalanced unhealthy pre-red pill LTR, I sowed another child within the harem I had unappologetically built. She left me eventually when me fucking other women was simply something she could not take any longer.
3 children, two mothers.. All is well now. Finally.
At 37 now, I have finally created a lifestyle in which I can (without explanation or appology) sample and savor whatever damn option it is I choose to indulge in.. Be that in finance, business, travel, leisure or women. I am still very easily able to attract women in the 18 to 25 year old range, and as long as my youthful looks, lust for life, sponteneity and excitement will allow, I will NOT stop… no matter what the number on my birth certificate says. Currently 4 plates spinning themselves, almost irrationally at times. Seems they spin faster for me when I
Now, CH, It may be my age becoming a bit of a factor, but the options I have with women are more of a stationary internal understanding I have within myself, more so than a constant aching motivation to continue to add notches to my ball-post. Better said; it seems that through my living whatever way I choose, without regard for anyone else other than myself and children, Living life as “The Eternal Bachelor” is really the only way that makes any sense at all to live now. It’s the ONLY life that makes sense to me. And women now seem to flow so effortlessly, even when my attentions are 99% of the time on other personally satisfying peruits. After living the way most people do; soulmate searching, 2.5 children having, beta backsliding, pedestal building, mini-van driving man-boob pansies!…. There is NO more incredible feeling than having OPTIONS in all facets of life.
An HB7, 24 year old I’ve been banging for a 6 weeks, shit tests me on New Years Eve exclaiming, “you’d better get your ass over here and plant that mid-night kiss on me or I’ll find someone that will!”.. And I had the confidence, SOLELY derived from creating a lifestyle which presents the most OPTIONS to me in all ways, to simply reply: “nah”
I never said a word after that, and banged her 3 hours later when she showed up at my house.. on MY terms. Always on MY TERMS.
Living YOUR life on YOUR terms is truly the key to happiness that everyone is searching for… It’s the elusive Skeleton Key… It’s OUR choice, period. Just as it’s always been.
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I think you overgeneralize a bit. Some of us are just natural Betas.
I’ve never wanted an infinite quantity/variety of pussy. Even when I was a horny adolescent, my fantasies included emotional intimacy etc. with a particular woman, along with sex. Porn has never appealed to me, and neither has the “two chicks at the same time, dude” fantasy. I’ve turned down implied and explicit offers of sex, BJs, etc., and once even took my dick out of a woman’s mouth (fellatio interrupto?) because I didn’t want a relationship with her and the physical pleasure of the act (yeah, she was skilled) was negated by its shallow hedonism. So it doesn’t seem to be sour grapes in my case.
I have low-average testosterone (tested) and have a weak jawline, pretty mellow temperament and struggle to put on muscle/strength.
I’m now married to a woman I love, and my only regret is that the attraction took a nosedive as soon as I committed. If I were a queer I’d probably be one of the rare ones who mates for life.
I assume this is a trait on which men are normally distributed, like everything. Probably strongly correlated with testosterone. This blog’s readership has an obvious selection bias.
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btw, George Clooney is not too good example, when Kiss’ Gene Simmons according to his own words slept with over 4600 women :)… (interview transcript http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/we-can-kiss-our-self-respect-goodbye-123983474.html)
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Tiger Woods, 2008: “I’m a one woman kind of guy.”
[Heartiste: ahahaha! The best unlaid plans…]
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Does the Devil get the last laugh? All the work and worry to finally get some 1st rate young puzzy…and we get bored?? Oh death where is thy sting??
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There is room for a range of styles.
Me, in my 48 years of sexual career (started at 14), I’ve been with over a 100 women as best I can remember. But I can’t consider myself promiscuous. I prefer to find one good one and really explore her. To me, sex doesn’t really start to get great with a woman until the third or fourth session. Sure, sometimes the first night is great but usually it is exploratory.
At 100 over close to 50 years, that’s but two a year on average. Yes variety has its charmsbut so does developed quality.
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In the spirit of increasing options and playing to your strengths, a question for the PUA gurus:
What are some game basics for someone for whom provider traits are their strong suit?
[Heartiste: Keep your cards close to your vest.]
Asked another way, how do you maximize the benefits of being well educated, employed, good with kids, without slipping into the beta provider category?
[Don’t make a production out of it. Chicks love to be surprised by that kind of beta provider stuff *after* you’ve wowed them with a bit of the ol’ ultralpha.]
How does an ALPHA provider differ from the stereotypical beta provider chump?
[Alpha provider = protection & adventure. Beta provider = resources & stability.]
Obviously bragging about money or education is going to come across as try hard and needy. A flashy car could also come across as obnoxious and try hard.
[Flashy cars are fine as long as you don’t mention you have one UNTIL she is walking toward it to accompany you on a drive.]
But my initial thought is to accentuate the provider upside by wearing nice shoes and a nice watch.
[Yes, shoes and watch are a good starting point. Let the girl do the work of discovering your provider potential.]
Nice clothes that fit. Nice shades. Not flashy, but obviously high quality and expensive. Straight, whitened teeth. My thinking is with these status signals, little if anything would need to be said about what I do (i.e. how much money I make). Any other suggested non-verbal indications of status and provider ability? Am I just way off on this line of attack? What are the potential pitfalls to this approach?
[Well, you’re on the right track. Displaying provider potential always beats explaining provider potential. Other helpful yet subtle indicators of endowment include cufflinks, plush ATM receipts left “laying around”, and photos on your phone of faraway exotic locales.]
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Gay men have boatloads of partners, this 18% had more than 20 partners is nonsense. The reality is that HIV is not an easily acquired disease- Here is the CDC on it. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/law/transmission.htm Now these are your odds of catching it assuming the other person is infected. Basically there is about a .05%(male) to a .1%(female) chance of getting aids when sleeping with someone who has the disease, thats 1 per 2000 acts for men and 1 per 1000 for women. Surprising things-a gay man “pitching” is about as likely to get aids as a hetero man having sex with a woman. Women are twice as likely to catch it per act as men(I expect feminists to protest HIV as a sexist disease). and the really high group is gay men “catching” but still we’re only talking about a .5% chance of getting the disease per act, thats 1/200. So if gay men arent having that many partners how do you get a 38% HIV rate among gay men in Baltimore? Answer, lots of sex. I think gay men are like straight men..when they have opportunity they do it more..gay men in small town=sexually frustrated, gay men in big city=sex in public restrooms.
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Do I have a girl for you!
Are you into Puerto Ricans? http://guyinism.com/uncategorized/girls-gone-violent-again/
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Men with options are more likable because of their exuded confidence. A man without options is considered thirsty and a square.
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All women company ended in disaster: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html#ixzz2Gwdzf1GW
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[…] The take-home message for men is that a woman’s declining attraction is more crucial to guard against than is her declining rapport. Low levels of rapport can be quickly mitigated. Just talk to her more, and show a soft side. But lowered levels of attraction cannot be fixed by more rapport, a “solution” so reflexively beloved by cloying betabots that will only make the problem worse. For that, you need to amp the alpha, and re-certify your worth as a challenging man with options. […]
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I run with some folks who run with Clooney. His inner circle name has long been: Cloon-tang. Enough said.
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[…] How many women and children does a man want? As many as he can have. […]
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