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Stop Looking At Girls From Across The Room

January 4, 2013 by CH

If you don’t first rid yourself of bad, beta habits, acquisition of positive, alpha habits will be harder to internalize. One thing I see men do all the time is glance up from whatever they are doing to look at cute chicks across the room in hopes of eliciting reciprocal flirty eyeplay. What usually happens next is… nothing.

Girls are not going to suddenly find you irresistibly attractive because your bedroom eyes keep checking them out. They might be flattered or spooked, but rarely aroused. To spark arousal in women, you have to talk to them, with either your mouth or your body. And that means closing the distance fast.

The main problem with multiplying glances is that it tends to become a fallback zone in which to comfortably escape from making the difficult choice of opening a girl and finding out if she’s worth your attention. If you want to go years in between lays, waiting for that one killer glance which will send a girl into your arms, then this “strategy” is for you. But most men prefer their love lives are less insufferably arid.

Refraining from looking around a room multiple times at every girl is a step toward washing the feeble beta from your soul and replacing it with a more powerful alpha frame of mind. You will be tempted, of course, to check out pretty girls. Resist it, and supplant that temptation with another one: to WALK UP to pretty girls and speak to them.

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  1. on January 4, 2013 at 3:29 pm Dave

    Offtopic :
    My fiance and I are getting married soon, and she wants to wait until we are married before we have sex. I am not a virgin nor have I ever had sex with a virgin. My fiance however is a virgin. What should I expect when it happens?

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 3:37 pm Gooby

      Expect to find a broken hymen, and a void alimony.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 3:37 pm Falconer

      A really tight hole?

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 3:39 pm Anon

      Fuck her like the dirty little slutwhore that she is.
      A hymen doesn’t mean that you can’t be an alpha masculine beast.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 3:44 pm ianironwood

      An utter trainwreck of a marriage.

      Seriously, she wants to get married and she hasn’t even taken the training wheels off? You’re buying a pig in a poke. This is a great way for her to sucker you in to the great sexless beta marriage. It goes like this:

      You have a decent honeymoon, because she really is kind of excited about having sex . . . until she has it. If she’s intact, it’s going to hurt. Even if she’s not, it’s going to hurt. It certainly won’t be the tempest in her loins she’s been expecting, and while she’ll do all sorts of stuff with you — it’s your honeymoon after all! — once you get home, her enthusiasm will slowly but inevitably wane. She’ll reject you softly at first, then get annoyed by how “pushy” you are. In response you’ll taper off your initiations. Quality and quantity will fall off rapidly. You will both be unsatisfied and eventually wonder what’s wrong with your relationship.

      Here’s my advice: run, don’t walk, to get a copy of Athol Kay’s Married Man Sex Life before you even put a deposit on a tux. Memorize it. Reconsider your relationship in a Red Pill context and question whether it wouldn’t be a good idea to renegotiate before you sign anything. Insist that she give up some nookie as a symbol of her commitment — or at least get assurances to your satisfaction that her legs won’t jam closed the moment she’s over the threshold. Virgins-until-marriage are dangerous things, and you are risking a lifetime of your future happiness if you proceed without educating yourself.

      Trust the Old Married Guys. We know what the hell we’re talking about.

      Outstanding post. If you didn’t get close enough to smell her and count her eyelashes, it’s not an approach. If you’re too much of a dumb-ass to go in without a stack of prepared openers, then at least ask her if she has a sister who’s single. If you can’t build something out of that, you don’t deserve to get laid.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:09 pm Maya

        “If she’s intact, it’s going to hurt. Even if she’s not, it’s going to hurt.”

        It hurts but the pain is pleasurable and it’s very romantic.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:14 pm Hugh G. Rection

        Maya lost her virginity?

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:19 pm Maya

        No, don’t worry. I would never sleep with any man except Heartiste.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:17 pm Maya

        At least that’s what I’ve heard from other women. I’m still a virgin myself. Heartiste is the man who will take my virginity ❤

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:45 pm Maya

        OK, sorry CH, I’m being to full of myself … I’m not sure if I deserve you and whether you are willing to do what I dream about … but if there’s still any chance for me, let me know. I’m willing to pay.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 5:04 pm Greg Eliot

        Woman, the only thing virgin about you is your ears… they haven’t listened yet.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 3:57 am Unending Improvement (@UnendImprov)

        Nice zinger.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 9:28 pm feministx

        Congrats. You are the first woman on the internet I’ve encountered that is actually less well adjusted than I am.

        It’s kind of disturbing. Because I can tell that you are dead serious.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 5:32 am Maya

        What’s so unusual about falling in love with someone on the internet? Happens every day. He never explicitly mentioned that he doesn’t like me or that he doesn’t want to marry me. So there’s still a small chance that one day we will have babies together. I wouldn’t waste the last years/months of my precious youth here (I’m almost thirty years old!) if I didn’t have hope … He once said that he would sell his love to me and on another occasion he said that he would have sex with me if I am pretty.

        Anyway, I’m sorry to hear that you are not well adjusted. What kind of problems do you have? I only know that you are 30 years old, unmarried and childless and I can understand your anxiety. But you definitely shouldn’t give up. Accept the reality (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-112136/The-female-fertility-clock-starts-ticking-27.html) but you definitely shouldn’t give up and stop looking for true love.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 6:11 pm YaReally

        “An utter trainwreck of a marriage.”

        This.

        Also, down the road when you let your guard down for a minute, she’ll fuck a guy like me that she meets on a girls’ night out or in the grocery store or wherever, because she’ll be attracted and say “well I’ve only ever been with one man…I wonder what sex with other men is like, is it better? Worse? What does another penis look like?”

        And her grrrlfriends will encourage her to explore her sexuality because Eat Pray Love and all that, and she’ll have a couple slutty friends who insist she tries sucking a new dick when she’s feeling vulnerable about your guys’ relationship at some point in your marriage, because the slutty girls will feel less slutty and judged if their virgin friend has sucked a few cocks herself.

        Don’t legally tie yourself and your finances to her. This warning is from experience as the guy who’s seduced these girls. Having only been with one cock is the biggest “rationalize cheating on my man” card ever…whether she uses it because she’s mad at you or not in love with you anymore, or because she’s in love with you but just legitimately curious and placed in an opportune situation.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 8:48 pm Lucky White Male

        Ya says: “Having only been with one cock is the biggest “rationalize cheating on my man” card ever…”

        Interesting – a young girl I’m working right now fits this description.

        We are acquaintances. She regularly throws into our conversation the fact that she “has a boyfriend.” But I’m NOT interpreting it as LJBF – here’s why:

        She’s 21, he is the only guy she’s ever dated (since she was 18). She is a small-town girl with a limited world (she loves to hear my travel stories – but as to her, she’s never really travelled anywhere, except to South Beach once , but thought it was too “filthy” lol. )

        So she brings up “my boyfriend did this and that:”, yet :

        1. She gives me compliments, stuff like “You know, you have really nice hair:”

        2. She qualifies herself. I also notice after a few minutes of talking to her, she adjusts her speech to sound more sophisticated, or educated, somehow to keep pace with me. Tyler said in “Blueprint” this is a sure sign the girl is acting emotionally in response to you (you have higher value in her mind)

        3. She kinos ME – hands on arm and shoulder. Keep in mind we interact in public situation and I have a ring on my finger.

        4. She loves callback humor and the “little roles” I put her into – and actually brings it up herself. Like “your little servant is here again” and she laughs like she’s into it. This tells me she gets off on dominance, and probably wants more

        5. Her frame is breaking with me consistently every time – after about 10 min or so of chit-chat she gets this almost catatonic look on her face, deep staring at me for a few seconds

        Krauser calls this a “hypnotic scanning moment.” the girl locks eyes and looks catatonic – often on a Day 2, but can happen at any time – the girl is scanning the man for Identity, he claims and the man (if he is in the same trance) scanning the girl for Genetic Fit.

        So a few seconds later she goes into “You know that Joe, my boyfriend… yada yada” – almost like she is unconsciously, desperately trying to keep herself from telling herself “don’t go there” with me, and she reflexively brings up the boyfriend. So this is why I’m not interpreting it as LJBF – instead the opposite

        Be interested in hearing how to work this “one boyfriend type”. I was kind of surprised for you to say this type of girl is the KING of cheaters.. lol

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 3:58 am Unending Improvement (@UnendImprov)

        You sure you’re not just seeing something that isn’t there?

        Besides, just because she says she’s only been with guy doesn’t make it true. Some of the dirtiest girls put up a nice clean facade to hide behind.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 5:01 pm YaReally

        @Lucky

        Your read of the situ and why she brings up her BF is dead on.

        If you want to bang her, all you have to do is remove the thing that’s triggering her ASD, which is the guilt of cheating on her BF, a guilt that’s created by a fear of judgement. If you remove her fear of judgement, you remove the guilt, which stops triggering the ASD.

        The simplest way people remove the fear of judgement is to get drunk lol sober you put on a front around your co-workers, till the Xmas office party where you’re hammered and wearing a lampshade on your head because in that moment your fear of judgement is gone/impaired.

        Another way to remove judgement is thru comfort/rapport. When someone is in or has been in the same situation as you and understands your feelings and demonstrates that they’ve made the same choices/mistakes/etc too, you don’t feel like you’ll be judged because they’ve been there themselves. I actually found that having a primary girlfriend makes it easier to get girls to cheat on their BFs because they know I won’t judge them for it since I’m doing it too.

        Another way is to absolve them of responsibility for what happens either by fostering the idea that “it just happened” (it was our intense chemistry, we were so drunk, it was fate, etc) or take the blame for it yourself (sorry I couldn’t help myself you’re irresistible, sorry I was so forward but I can’t help it). If its not her choice/fault, she can’t be judged.

        Now if you can take all these methods I just described and combine them (have a few drinks, talk about infidelity in a non-judge mental way like animal instincts blah society is too reserved about sex blah blame fate and chemistry, etc), you have a pretty reliable formula for laying that girl. 🙂

        …of course you shouldn’t shit where you eat. 😛

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 6:00 pm Lucky White Male

        Interesting to hear your confirmation. I’ve already been working the “women have natural instincts and it’s normal and it’s not a big deal ” routine. I’ve tried to adopt an older man “instruction” role, almost, where I’m sort of educating her on the world as I see it. You can tell no other older guy has ever talked to her like this before. Its amazing what a little Game can do.

        I also like your idea of combining everything into one situation for best effect, I will try to orchestrate that soon – great stuff, apprciated

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 1:33 am YaReally

        @Lucky

        No prob. I escalate really fast on taken girls compared to a lot of guys so I have to deal with this kind of ASD a lot. It’s not a big deal when you understand what’s triggering it. Removing that trigger varies from girl to girl (she may be scared of her bf being violent if she’s caught, she may fear her peer’s judgement more than her own, etc) so you have to calibrate to her but yours sounds like an easy diffuse.

        Just remember 1) isolate her, take her somewhere away from “the group”. She needs to feel like it’ll be a secret between you two and she can’t do anything when you’re at the office Xmas party with Bob from accounting at the table beside you. Or at a bar where her friend might show up or works there. But if you and her are at some little out of the way bar where she doesn’t know anyone, you’re golden.

        Also remember that the faster you escalate, the more Buyer’s Remorse you’re going to get if you don’t do your aftercare and make her feel GOOD about what just happened. Like while cuddled up after, continue to relieve the responsibility/guilt (“I can’t believe we did that” vs “I can’t believe you did that”, “wow we were so drunk” (ie – it was out of your guys’ control) etc) but also show some relief/joy that it happened (“but I’ve been wanting to kiss you since I saw you…our chemistry has always been crazy (kiss)”).

        Even the wording like “I can’t believe we did that” vs “we shouldn’t have done that” can change the effect/result dramatically. The former wording makes no guilt the latter makes guilt. A lot of guys fuck this part up and the girl has regrets and it’s awkward after or they risk her crying rape out of regret or the girl feels so bad she confesses to her guy and he kicks your ass or she doesnt come back for more etc etc.

        Off the top of my head I can’t think of a single taken girl who’s regretted fooling around with me, because I alllllways leave them with some good emotions and take away the guilt. So to them it was a crazy adventure that “just happened” and not her consciously deciding to cheat. I actually get a lot of repeat business from these girls because they know if they go to another guy he might be more judgemental and make them feel bad. But like I say, I create the feeling that I’m just a sexual adventureland for them where there are no consequences and no bad feelings and no judgement and I’m not a part of their “real” life or world and I don’t try to be, and so to them I’m a safe escape.

        This is part of the “leave them better than you found them” motto of PUAs. Leaving her feeling guilty and used is leaving her worse…leaving her feeling good about what happened and with exciting sexy memories and a feeling of adventure etc is leaving her better.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 1:43 am YaReally

        *”her peer’s judgement rather than her own boyfriend’s reaction”

        Sorry, typo city up there and a hanging 1) lol on my phone.

        Just wanted to add on the isolation note, I once had a girl on a Day 2 and I used to take them all to the same little shithole basement bar of a club because it was shadowy and dark and isolated and had big couches so it was perfect for isolating. But I brought this once chick and when we went to get drinks the bartender and her started yapping and I realized she knew him either from outside the bar or she’s a regular at that place and I didn’t realize it. Aside from her knowing this one guy, and it wasn’t even a solid deep knowing it was just a small-talk “oh hey how you been?” thing, like the guy probably wouldn’t have cared at all in the long run…but despite it being a perfect seduction location otherwise, I know how important real isolation is so I told her I got a txt from some friends showing up that I don’t want to hang with tonight so lets hit another place after this drink. I took her across the street to another bar and was able to escalate no problem to the lay.

        COULD I have done it in that first bar? Maybe. But I could tell right away that when we went back to the couches, even tho she couldn’t see him because her back was to him, she was conscious that he was working behind us and could see us plain as day (couches were right in front of his bar). Her body language got more frigid/reserved etc. compared to the 2nd bar where we were groping eachother after a couple drinks.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 7:58 pm corvinus

        Virgins-until-marriage are dangerous things, and you are risking a lifetime of your future happiness if you proceed without educating yourself.

        I’ll admit I’m a bit confused. Virgins until marriage are dangerous? You mean like sluts who’ve had 20 partners? Does it matter if she’s religious or not?

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 9:52 pm yaser

        Nah, the fewer partners before marriage, the longer will it hold.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 12:37 pm Matthew King (King A)

        These guys have no clue. Live in a world of sluts and virginity will come to be regarded as a pathology.

        “trainwreck … pig in a poke … dangerous things … risking a lifetime of your future happiness … the biggest ‘rationalize cheating on my man’ card ever …” Automatic scores once they meet a real man, like a “player” adept at palm reading.

        This is classic projection. The masculine sex drive substituted for the feminine, variety and volume over stability, constancy, and protection. It’s one reason why “hypergamy” is such a popular theory in these parts: it’s an idea louche men can grasp personally. So they see this subterranean sexual force everywhere and in all things and above all things, like a phantom succubus controlling all society. Those of us who laugh at such reductive nonsense are considered insufficiently apprised of the dark knowledge secretly in control of all. That’s not to say the urbanized skank doesn’t exhibit gross male sexuality — such are the qualities of a certain type of woman in the last days of dystopia. But it is a fragment of a fragment of a theory dreamed up by men of severely circumscribed experience.

        This is an old observation. Certain loud mouths here have no ability to imagine the world beyond their own parochial purview, and they make assumptions accordingly. Not unlike the feminine perspective: all that exists is what I see, and everything outside of my immediate understanding is by definition irrelevant.

        One skeezy beta-in-alpha-clothing reads one PUA website and lures away one “married” woman, and suddenly they have think they possess knowledge of what’s secretly driving the social dynamic. Wigger please.

        Matt

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 5:41 pm threealpha

        you are an interesting poster. I wonder what applied concept or ideas, natural or learned, conscious or subconscious, allowed the guy who defiled the girl you are constantly yet anonymously defending in prose to get twixt her knickers? Was she a sister? girlfriend? god forbid a daughter?

        Your smart sure, but most people on here are too. But that’s where it stops dude. The masses are biological input/output machines. Save a few enlightened introverts with actual souls but that’s the entire point. You are looking for higher meaning, and none exists. Like iron rusting, reversion to the mean is the natural order.

        The gnashing of teeth, rigid consternation, and unyielding cognitive dissonance really points to a pretty severe case of what I can only analogize as an out of phase Panglossian Disorder.

        Maybe anti-depressants can help?

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 12:48 pm Stuki

        Cue “Live in a world of sluts and virginity will come to be regarded as a pathology.”

        Things are very different in worlds where sluts do not dominate. As much as many here wants to reduce the entire mating game to some sort of theater played out by “biological” automatons, for most of history and geography, things were and are not thus. Family and small society cooperation simply confers too great an advantage to those deemed sufficiently trustworthy to be allowed to participate. Hence, those of us still left on earth, are unlikely to be the descendents of those who got themselves stoned to death or abandoned, or had their entire societies burned and sacked by better men.

        The natural state of human behavior is that which ensures the greatest number of offspring over several generations, against the backdrop of severely limited resources. That is what the world looked like to almost all of our ancestors. And what the world will look like to our (or seemingly more likely by the day, some Muslims’), descendents.

        Observing, or partaking in recreational activity in, Sodom and Gomorrah, would likely lead one to similar conclusions about the “one true, biologically scientifically blah blah based” nature of human sexuality, as would stepping into a DC nightclub watching a gaggle of PUAs ply their trade. As would, for that matter, observing the targets of said PUAs as they go about attempting to climb their social ladders by emulating to them ancient forms of intercourse like marriage. But all you really discover(ed) from doing so, is the blueprint for an evolutionary dead end. Almost nothing about humanity’s evolutionary main branch, which pretty much all of us are part of.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 2:16 pm Matthew King (King A)

        I wonder what applied concept or ideas, natural or learned, conscious or subconscious, allowed the guy who defiled the girl you are constantly yet anonymously defending in prose to get twixt her knickers?

        Do any of you have anything except low-rent psychotherapy to offer when it comes to discussing higher-order things? Eat a dick.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 2:38 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Stuki: Theirs is sloppy thinking. Worse, it’s unconsciously inherited sloppy thinking: the dogmatism that liberal arts training is designed to identify and to transcend.

        But instead of skepticism dogma is met with credulity, and the fear of dissent manifests as unsolicited anathematizing from I’ll-Bluff-My-Way-Through-My-Lack-of-Education stooges such as “threealpha” above. Somebody stole my girlfriend, that’s why I believe “higher meaning” “exists.” To them nothing else could explain such naïveté.

        Granted, this level of pipsqueakery goes with the territory. I just wish the many who have the capacity to understand weren’t reluctant to get their hands dirty and snuff out these poseurs with me. I understand why most who know better don’t care about/don’t have time to counter widespread misapprehension. But then one day you turn around and stupidity controls the conversation. Come to think of it, that’s the history of feminist ascendancy in a nutshell as well. “All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

        Matt

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 8:14 pm Alexander

        “You are looking for a higher meaning, and none exists. Like iron rusting, reversion to the mean is the natural order.”

        That higher meaning is actually visible in everybody’s life as is a mountain in Flanders. All around you is a pointer to something higher than yourself.
        The problem though is that you(and humanity) is in a fog, really thick one, because of which – nobody can see that mountain, and they speculate –
        there may be some kind of elevation in front of us, but than again – may not be.
        When in reality the whole mountain lies in front.

        That fog can be broken only by a transcendent force, and when such a thing happens these individuals with enhanced vision start to charge towards the mountain – loudly proclaiming that they know the way.

        Only small portion of men believe them and follow, for the rest they’re lunatics, since common sense dictates that nobody can see through that fog, to say what’s actually there.
        It’s much, much easier to say there’s nothing in there and not think of anything.

        In this world it’s correct that everything corrupts. But it also comes in cycles.
        When one way of reality becomes so rotten, a revolution happens that usually flats the most rotten things of the previous system, but than makes new problems/injustices…
        every system on Earth is indeed subject to becoming mean, but we also correct ourselves, and the cycle begins again.

        Explanation of Bible for this phenomenon is this world’s autonomy from God, thus never reaching the perfection(state of the highest content, that you would have never changed for any alternative).
        The nature of this fallen world is to be accepted as a state of things, but one must never let this consumes him, since there is a force that can annul the influence and laws of this world, at least concerning the individual destinies and/or maybe limited to the other individuals destinies related to the one that did not yield.

        Jesus refused the crown when it was offered to Him on a few occasions, and exclaimed to Pilate that “His kingdom is not of this world”.
        That is to mean that only force able to change this way of the world is not willing to change it yet.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 8:28 pm Greg Eliot

        You are looking for higher meaning, and none exists. Like iron rusting, reversion to the mean is the natural order.

        Three estimable fellows have addressed this already, so let me just add one small note:

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 10:13 pm threealpha

        “King A”, thank you for proving my point, mon frere. It took 30 seconds of my time to draw you into an argument, reveal your basic, pedestrian views, and push you into rebuttal which include the ad hominem. How long have you thought about me just today my friend? Your types are generally my most lucrative clients: a bit above average in cognitive skills, great vocabulary, poor emotional control, and a loose grasp of philosophy. Are you the lion being castrated become your time is gone, being judged and found irrelevant and wanting? No, I think you are the young upstart using bluster to compensate for your insecurities. A little knowledge is truly a dangerous thing my friend, and thank god you aren’t dangerous.

        Kisses sweetheart!

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 10:12 am Greg Eliot

        Just what the chateau needed… another dweeb who gets his ass handed to him and then declares victory through “neener-neener, you gave me attention!”.

        Meh.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 12:03 pm threealpha

        Greg,
        Are you and Matt the two guys behind me at this Starbucks playing the board game? How many sides are on that dice anyway bro?

        I’m kidding cat, Rock/Paper/Scissors/Lizard/Spock is a valid intramural activity, so go ahead and throw it on your resume.

        Thanks, for thinking about me today too!

        Smoochies.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 12:36 pm Matthew King (King A)

        It took 30 seconds of my time to draw you into…

        So he openly admits he is a troll. There’s something you don’t see every day.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 1:14 pm threealpha

        Nah, just don’t like bully’s. Especially those who conceal themselves within prosaic megalomania.Think of it as me trying to help you flush your insecurities and bring you to extinction burst RE: your ego, finally allowing you to grow past your petty jealousies and authoritarian bent.

        I hate to see anyone waste their life. I’m a giver.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 1:10 pm Greg Eliot

        These guys have no clue. Live in a world of sluts and virginity will come to be regarded as a pathology.

        Well said, as usual. Props to Stuki as well.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 10:12 pm pdwalker

        What ianironwood says, especially about getting Married Man Sex Life (see the blog with the same name).

        Only you can prevent your next divorce.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 1:11 pm NiteLily

        I understand what you’re saying: Some men think marrying a woman who never had sex before is taking a risk. Some men believe that such a woman might not like sex and trap him into a sexless marriage. That might be true if she were an older woman who is still a virgin. But the girl is only 21. She sounds great, better than these stupid sluts hanging around.

        Anyway, there are ways you can determine her passion level. You can still do everything but penetration and see how into it she is. If she is always on the verge of telling you she can’t take it anymore and both of you are holding off by a thread because you promised to wait until the wedding night, I think it’s a pretty good indicator of how much she likes sex. I would be more careful if she was over 30 though.

        Besides, how much a woman likes sex with you has to do with your skills and how you game her. If you game her, she wouldn’t/couldn’t say no to sex with you.

        These guys scare Dave because they are too lazy to game their wives. It takes time and patience, and some men don’t want to invest all that emotion and feelings in one woman. He should read Athol Kay’s blog “The married Man Sex Life”

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 1:13 pm NiteLily

        Athol Kay’s blog “The married Man Sex Life”
        http://marriedmansexlife.com/

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 1:15 pm NiteLily

        I was right when I said feminism made men not value good girls. Most men don’t want virgins anymore. Is it any wonder women sleep around? It’s either sleep with men or be a virgin way into your 30s. Some women fear that scenario too. The epithet old maid would really fit in that instance.

        But if she slept with men before you met her, you wouldn’t be so quick to marry her either, and the thought of her with another man would always bother you.

        So it’s a harsh double standard women have to deal with because of feminism and men jumping on the bandwagon. That’s why feminism helps men more than it does women. Women are just too stupid to see it.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 1:36 pm PetiteOlive

        Except the difference between 2-3 partners by 25 vs. No Partners by 25 vs. 8-24 Partners by 25. I am not a guy but option A would seem like the best of the three

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 4:22 am yaser

        “I am not a guy but option A would seem like the best of the three”

        As i have stated before: being first is better than having leftovers from YaReally

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 1:41 pm Days of Broken Arrows

        If you’re female and remain a virgin until around 30, you could end up getting what one of my aunts got. Not sure what it’s called, but during intercourse the vagina/vulva gets so traumatized that it snaps shut and causes excruciating pain.

        When I was a little kid, my aunt would drop by every Thursday to talk with my folks. I later found out she was seeing a doctor in our neighborhood to help her with this problem. Started as physical then became a phobia. She and my uncle had to undergo years to therapy I’m told.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 2:08 pm Kate

        vaginismus

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 6:00 pm Greg Eliot

        Wasn’t that one of Caligua’s concubines?

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 2:01 pm NiteLily

        @Broken Arrows
        What your aunt had is rare. Most women holding off on sex don’t get this condition. I suspect if she had sex earlier in life the same thing would have happened to her.

        @ PetiteOlive
        I think remaining virgin until 23 is very acceptable, even 25. However by 30, I could tolerate a girl having had sexual relations with one or two man she loved and thought about marriage with them. Not friends with benefits or one night stands though. Most men by the age of 30 (if they are not alphas) already had 10+ partners with alphas exceeding that by much more. So the difference is quite striking.

        A man should always have more sexual experience than his wife. Yet, so many women try to outdo men in that category because feminism told them it’s in their interest to be like men in all aspect of behavior and situations.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 3:21 pm Jumbobeef

        Can i ask with all seriousness, What is your age (I know you won’t tell me the exact number but a hint would be great) and are you sure you will remain virgin till the bloody prince falls from the sky? I cross my heart that i am not mocking you or your beliefs just want to know why you are so frustrated with this virginity thing, and one more thing Feminism never benefited men, well in sexual relationship and hooks up it did but the amount of destruction is much more than it, You know what are the issues men face (Leaving aside that the sexual liberation thing only profits the 20% of men).

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 4:37 pm NiteLily

        I’m not frustrated with anything, Jumbo.

        Most of my comments here are about politics, not men/women cuz in that department I usually side with the men, with only a few exceptions like the spending thing because I KNOW both men and women (especially singles) spend money equally, just on different thing. Yet, the objective is the same – to get sex. Women to attract men and men to attract women. When men trash women for their spending while they do the same, it is disingenuous.

        “and one more thing Feminism never benefited men, well in sexual relationship and hooks up it did but the amount of destruction is much more than it, You know what are the issues men face (Leaving aside that the sexual liberation thing only profits the 20% of men).”

        I agree with you 100% here. You need to pay closer attention to what I say. In the sexual arena feminism helps men and hurts women, well, at least helps men who don’t necessarily want to get married ever. For society as a whole feminism hurts everyone especially men and patriarchy. Women cannot run the world effectively. They need to get off and let the men back into their rightful place. Then we’ll finally have law and order and happier people, both men and women. Broken arrows has a very good comment about this lower in the thread.

        The rest of what you have asked me you would have to figure out on your own and read between the lines, cuz I ain’t telling much more about myself. 🙂

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 4:20 am yaser

        “feminism helps men more than it does women. Women are just too stupid to see it.”

        True words.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 4:18 pm Kate

      paging David Collard

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 12:39 pm Matthew King (King A)

        For serious.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 4:32 pm itsme

      What should I expect when it happens?

      that she was lying about being a virgin.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 7:06 pm yaser

      I did that.

      Still married, 4th year. Nothing ideal about our marriage, but neither is there any divorce in sight.

      Both being muslims, we based it on a sharia law, witch stipulates, basically, separate economies and full custody of children going to me. If they are less than 7 years old, they get to be with their mom, until then that age.

      My tip: insist on full economical control. Nothing less. If she wants to be your only source of nara, demand to be her only source of yamo.

      (nara= any and all qualities females have that attract men)
      (yamo= any and all qualities males have that attract females)

      I have told my wife that she is not allowed to accept money from any man, except her father and brother. Companies and governments are considered men. The moment she does, she is not receiving any more money from me.

      She is entitled to her own money, and i regularly give her money. I do not control how she uses them. She has chosen to save them, and i counseled her to invest it in silver, and she did so.

      IF YOU FAIL TO DO THAT; THEN YOU ARE NOT THE LEADER OF YOUR HOME.

      Anyway. The honeymoon means a lot to them, but less so to men. Take sexual command and tell her what to do.

      She probably knows men don’t like sluts, but inform her that men expect their wifes to be sluts for them.

      Thats a part i didn’t need to tell my wife, religious texts told her that, in plain words.

      A quote from somebody else who also got it:

      (I don’t mean you need to treat her like a slut, I’m saying she needs to be fully available to you)

      Show her this, from a site about game for girls:

      http://www.therulesrevisited.com/2012/07/never-say-no-to-sex.html

      Make sure she understands that your sexual needs are as great as her emotional and financial needs. And just because you have suppressed them this far, does not mean you will suppress them after marriage.

      That you give your yamo for her nara.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 12:49 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Excellent. A Mahometan perspective. I hope you stick around and comment freely, especially with regard to your culture’s/faith’s take on all this.

        While I preach the Son of God made flesh, I doubtless have more in common with you than the moral-therapeutic deists and small-souled nihilists who think they’re cool around here, as the Kingdom of This World enjoys the final hours of its pathetic little Mardi Gras.

        I like the “yamo/nara” concept, though you haven’t earned the stature to attempt to initiate new jargon. What’s the etymology?

        As-salamu alaykum, brother. Godspeed.

        Matt

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 3:39 pm Scipio

        …and you HAVE earned the stature to decide who can, and can’t, attempt a new jargon?

        Wigger please….

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 6:36 pm yaser

        I have had derived immense pleasure and knowledge from this site for years.

        Bring the movies man, Skittles man: awesome times. The whole article, leading up to it, and then reading “bring the movies” was totally orgasmic. No fag, but i can’t find a better word.

        I choose to not write anything on this blog, until recently.

        Since i first saw your posts, King A, i got highly impressed by the way it was formulated. I had lost my custom of googling new words up until then.

        (Yeah, i know it sounds faggy, but fuck stifling fagfear. Don’t like it? Fuck you too).

        I actually thought about writing a book about this topic, but i never got anywhere except a few pages. While writing, due to my systematic mindset, i figured that something was missing, i couldn’t find a word that encompassed both alpha and beta traits, both being hot babe in bed and for the eyes and being a great feminine mother.

        No matter how much i thought, the word was not there. Something that included both the hard cash delivery power of males, and the their strength, and having a pussy moisturizing body and everything else. Both security & protection, and also C&K and badboy qualities.

        So i finally made up the words: yamo and nara.

        I really don’t want to explain why i choose those specific words, but here is a hint: first half of “yamo”.

        What i figured a few days ago was that there is also a lack for a word that encompass both yamo and nara, so why not “yara”. But i don’t know, two new worlds seems like a mouthful already. And anyway, i there REALLY no words?

        “Sexual currency”? But that seems to imply that it does not include “non-sexual currency”. But isn’t everything sexual in nature? Well yeah, maybe… but on the other hand, everything is also atoms and energy…

        Sexual buying power? That’s simply prone to misunderstandings. Attractive force?… nah…

        Better to just make up a new word i guess…

        Yeah, i know I haven’t established myself, also, I’m handicapped in being an outsider in culture, and not accepting the nihilist premises, but so what, the alpha way is to assume the buy.

        “What, you all didn’t know it’s an established jargong? ”

        I try to not rub peoples faces in my perspective, but don’t shy away from sharing if it seems relevant. And most definitely, i have more in common with a fellow Abrahamit than with an unwitting satanist, in matters regarding theological world-view.

        It was a challenge to mold the information present here to fit my frame, but the pleasure seeing bullshit evaporate, the relief of the unpussified environment and everything else made it more than well worth it.

        The first thing ill do as soon as i get wealthy is to employ people to ghostwrite me a bestseller about this topic.

        עליכם־שלום, brother in faith and humanity.

        PS, FYI:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammedan#Muslim_Objections_to_the_Term

        (no offense taken)

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 11:11 am Matthew King (King A)

        (no offense taken)

        I aim to offend the modern liberal pieties that randomly assert which words from yesterday are out-of-bounds today.

        I also say “negro,” “Oriental,” “Spanish,” and “Indian” because our Official Minders of Acceptable Euphemisms for Tuesdays and Thursdays can go fuck themselves.

        Even micro-appeasements like “Beijing” rankle. “Torino”? “Mumbai”? Bloooooow meeeeee.

        Quelle scandale!

        Matt

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 9:23 am Andoronicus

        What’s “Mahometan?” Do you mean “Islamic?”

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 2:28 pm yeahokcool

        No, he meant to use the obscure, dated term.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 4:56 pm Scipio

        @ yaser: I second King A’s welcome. Regrettably, though, you’ll find King A to be one of the most intolerant, bigoted, and needlessly cruel commenters on this site.

        And understand at the outset: King A has no interest in helping anyone here learn “game,” or get laid. His sole reason for posting on this (and other) sites is simple: he wants to shame, bully, and cajole everyone to adopt his conveniently – vague version of a Stoic, theological, manly, Christian lifestyle.

        Keep this in mind as you read his comments, and you’ll do fine.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 6:41 pm yaser

        Thanks for the welcome.

        Cruelty is fun, if done with finesse.

        (waiting for my reply to King A to get out of the spam filter)

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 2:51 pm Matthew King (King A)

        “Intolerant, bigoted, and needlessly cruel”: These are emblems of virtue to be proud of in an anesthetized, politically correct age. Thank you for the backhanded recognition, cog.

        Like I said, I have more in common with men of the crescent moon like yaser than I do the bitchboys living off the reserves of an eon’s Christian capital, proud supplicants satisfied by distractions, who don’t even know they are promoting the tyrant’s lies.

        Was that “needlessly cruel” enough for you, you pussy?

        Matt

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 5:39 pm corvinus

        Ha. +1

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 11:43 pm Mr Pointyface

        The applications for those with special, transcendental knowledge– because they are special and oh-so-smart- are by the door. The applications for Special Judges When The Millenium Comes. Absolutely the opposite of what Jesus wanted in terms of humility and kindness to others. But it make you feel big to Know more than others, doesn’t it?

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 11:55 pm threealpha

        the “special knowledge” contained within Matt ends where his vocabulary does. BTW, a common trait among the adult children of alcoholism (if there is such a thing as alcoholism, not sure).

        Pretty sure daddy drank and beat him, or maybe mommy liked wine a little more than our self-actualizing “king”. Regardless, he should chew on a barrel and end the suffering of these poor eyes reading his mini-manifestos of self importance. or get a hobby. Ships in a bottle?

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 10:22 am Greg Eliot

        You tiresome fool… back again to tell us what Jesus wants? You, who are no Christian?

        You, who would screech an “Oy, gevalt!” like a wounded crow upon seeing Him throw the moneychangers from the temple, headforemost?

        You, who would accuse Him of lacking kindness, upon hearing Him say to His best friend “Get thee behind me, Satan!”?

        You, who would gleefully call Him vainglorious… indeed antisemitic… for His powerful rebukes to the Big Jews of His day?

        Avaunt, you impious idiot… it’s getting tedious having to tell you the same thing every other week.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 1:34 pm NiteLily

        I love seeing un-pious Eliot unhinged. At least he’s quoting from the right side of the Bible this time. You know, it’s a bit ironic when a Jew hater quotes from the Old Testament Hahahahaha

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 4:31 pm Greg Eliot

        Silly twat… amongst a league of morons.

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 5:40 pm Alexander

        “The applications for those with special, transcendental knowledge– because they are special and oh-so-smart- are by the door”.

        You’ve just provided us with the exact pagan/Jewish perspective on the first Christians.

        Why do we act that way?

        Because you just know in your guts that you’re right, and you often get recognition from your brothers in faith – because most often they feel the same.
        Should those that don’t feel the same blindly believe what these people feel (and think it’s from God)? Probably not, at least not outright, but i appeal to them to be open to it. For their own benefit.

        And it doesn’t make you feel big to know more than others, it actually makes you sad. And that’s because most of the people don’t see it.
        Actually they are completely oblivious to it.

        Compare it to blue pill/red pill. Blue pill is a pile of shit – that everyone are into, and many of them run into trouble blindfoldedly because of it. Red pill has that “secret knowledge” – that is actually fucking observable from one’s life, and shouldn’t be secret at all – but it is, at least it is treated that way.

        Most of the mistakes of the beta men regarding marriage, and women would be so easy to avoid if they only knew the red pill. But they didn’t and these mistakes have been to their demise.

        The way the Gospel interacts with the world is very much similar to that. You must swallow it like a pill, and internalize it to get it, otherwise you might even believe it to be truth, and even spend your whole life in trying to live it and fatally fail at getting to a point that it directs you.(something like a beta using openers with women and than wondering why it failed).

        Those that have experienced the things will know almost exactly what i’m talking about. Those that haven’t will see it ridiculous. And than there are various other types of those inspired by the Spirit of the Lord that still didn’t experience these things in this manner, but if they try to mock it, they’ll feel they’re doing wrong, again in their guts they will know.
        It’s laughable until it happens.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 1:25 am yeahokcool

        With gusto!!!

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 3:11 pm Mr. Kissyface

        I’ve told sweetheart Greg before, He keeps sinking into absurd pride thinking HE understands Jesus and I don’t. That special knowledge is just for YOU right? Jesus didn’t want all humankind to benefit from his ideas?

        It’s my belief Jesus was a schizophrenic or possibly very elliptical speaker and humanitarian genius. Did a great deal for human kind by very, VERY clearly advocating kindness, ethnic tolerance ( “There are no Greeks, no Jews.”)

        Since you’re very proud, racist, AND anti-Semitic apparently one has to wonder what aspects of Jesus’s thought DO you follow?

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 4:22 pm NiteLily

        “Since you’re very proud, racist, AND anti-Semitic apparently one has to wonder what aspects of Jesus’s thought DO you follow?”

        He picks and chooses and makes up shit like his role models the Nazis did, get it? Just like they had their own brand of religion called Pagan Christianity, it’s his own brand of religion called Gregenazi Christianity. I can see the compound with the followers in it screaming obscenities at the nonbelievers, especially the brown ones, the women and the children even more vicious than the men practicing their Hail gregi salutations, and flags and other paraphernalia abound on every wall.

        All it takes is one real strong alpha to blow wind in his face and he falls like a paper tiger. Stupid loser.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 11:52 pm Entitled Dos user

        @NiteLily

        I wonder if anybody ever said that about Hitler…

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 4:24 am NiteLily

        Said what about Hitler?

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 5:53 pm Alexander

        Greg is a newborn Christian. That is observable from many of his posts.

        Still i can’t understand why does he has so much of racism in it. I don’t understand how did he manage to turn off the sensibility for Jesus’s will on these blacks.

        You can legitimately fight the parasitism of the minorities, without hating them in the process. Brother it’s doing you harm.

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm Greg Eliot

        Actually, I’ve been a Christian all my life…

        But what makes you think I hate negroes? Because I issue some sharp rebukes to the ones who post their antiwhite and Afrocentrist bs here? Or post the occasional skewering barb to my bizarro-world doppelgänger thwack?

        I’ve often said that there are men of good will of all races, and I consider them allies.

        It just doesn’t mean I’ll be inviting them to dinner to meet my sister. 😉

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 6:16 pm Alexander

        There you go liberals! The man told you. I totally support what he said here.

        If you can still see Hitler on a Tiger Panzer killing blacks form this post, it is officially now your own problem.

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 6:43 pm NiteLily

        Don’t be foolish, Alexander. The man is as bigoted and hateful as they come. The best way to teach others our Western values and morality is to be a good example to them. Engaging in defamation is not one of those ways. The man’s middle name is defamation.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 2:55 pm yaser

        I agree with this, and think it’s to bad that there aren’t more intolerant Christians around were i live.

        No joke, intolerance is awesome.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 3:14 pm Mr. Kissyface

        Well, then just cut their heads off if everyone else is too soft. But it works out a little weird, aren’t you supposed to cut off Greg’s head because your transcendental knowledge is better than his?

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 3:19 pm yaser

        @ Mr. Kissyface on January 7, 2013 at 3:14 pm

        “Well, then just cut their heads off if everyone else is too soft. But it works out a little weird, aren’t you supposed to cut off Greg’s head because your transcendental knowledge is better than his?”

        Cutting heads also has it’s time, specially when they are coming out to kill you are rape you wife. That’s not really the situation here.

        I rather point you to a great link i got from King A:

        http://isteve.blogspot.se/2012/12/intellectual-discourse-taking.html

        A really awesome read.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 4:36 pm Greg Eliot

        That link from King A was indeed a solid read… and it holds a mirror to the lunatic fringe that keep patting themselves on the back for their inanities here at the chateau.

        The chateau is starting to stink from outhouse psychology and twerp neener-neenerism. Time for heartsy to take a stand, I think… or at least skewer their nonsense with his usual rapier wit.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 5:51 pm NiteLily

        You might be the first one to get the brunt of his anger. Ironically, that’s what happens when the wicked think themselves righteous just to find out the judge doesn’t think so. This will happen especially when it’s time to give account Up Stairs. Keep that in mind, pious one.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 5:57 pm Greg Eliot

        Insufferable cunt.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 6:00 pm Head Man Upstairs

        ooooh, widdle Gweg is angwy now

        llollddddllzzz

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 6:01 pm Greg Eliot

        And whose sock-puppet are you, twerp?

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 6:21 pm NiteLily

        Insufferable, I am my man. And painful too.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 6:27 pm Greg Eliot

        Proud of being an insufferable cunt is no way to go through life, Salome.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 6:56 pm NiteLily

        Dummy it’s not my life; just to you on an internet blog.

        Now I got to go. Maybe someone else will take over form me and have some fun playing Ping-Pong with you.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 6:57 pm NiteLily

        BTW, I love Salome. Thanks for conjuring her up for me.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 5:21 pm Jason

        What part of the phrase “UNIVERSAL apostolic church” don’t you understand, Matt King?

        Cruelty, intolerance, bigotry = a three-ingredient recipe for needless suffering.

        Congratulations, you’ve just lost a hundred pairs of eyeballs.

        But not mine. I’ll still tune in, if only to see what horrific rationalizations you’ll use to justify the above-mentioned recipe of cruelty, intolerance, and bigotry.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 6:32 pm Tertullian

        +1, Jason. And threealpha brought up an excellent point, one which was so obvious I overlooked it: King A simply cannot post a comment without resorting to an ad hominen attack, defined by Webster’s as:

        1: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect

        2: marked by or being an attack on an opponent’s character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

        Now who does THAT remind you of….?

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 6:53 pm Greg Eliot

        Well, let’s be fair now, Tertullian.

        Most here are guilty of that, including the King A naysayers on this very reply chain. Look at how threealpo addresses him with the usual outhouse psychology.

        And I’ve lost count on the number of times alphie and his crew resort to personal attacks… just because they invariably counterpunched a lot harder, and rarely give as good as they get, doesn’t mean their hands are clean.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 8:58 pm Tertullian

        OK Greg fair enough….gotta admit you are right on that one. I’ll accept your criticism — but never NiteLily’s……!

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 9:14 pm Greg Eliot

        NiteLily is a bunch of sound and fury that signifies nothing.

        I regret the attention I’ve paid her thus far… but that’s over.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 9:21 pm Tertullian

        Agreed, and it’s a pity she has to clog up this site with her endless posts.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 10:10 pm Jason

        Tertullian:

        A couple months ago, I wrote a list of the rhetorical fallacies (slippery slope, ad hominem, false dichotomy, etc) that King commits every time he puts fingertips to keyboard.

        He never replied (though I don’t read every comment on this blog, so maybe he did).

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 10:56 am Matthew King (King A)

        What part of the phrase “UNIVERSAL apostolic church” don’t you understand, Matt King?

        When you start using feminism’s formulaic locutions, you should take a step back and reconsider the reactive nature of your hair-trigger rhetoric.

        “Intolerance” and “bigotry” and are scare words that do not impress me in a world where judgment itself is vilified. (Don’t judge!) The word “discrimination” not so long ago was used as a compliment — as in “discriminating taste” — but is now considered WORSE THAN HITLER.

        People identify themselves as victim and cry “cruelty” because that is the coin of the realm. We gain access to power by hypersensitivity and complaint. I stand athwart that faggotry yelling stop.

        Only a mincing moral therapeutic deist would look at the word “catholic” or “UNIVERSAL” or even the word “tolerant” and assume that means the impermissibility of recognizing difference. (But Diversity Is Our Strength.) To acknowledge difference is not a sin; indeed it is a prerequisite for locating and eradicating sin. It is our unavoidable duty to discriminate between good and evil, between true and false, between man and woman, between culture and culture, and between creed and creed. For all your platitudes, you certainly don’t avoid that duty, not even in your post above where you call me out for my unrighteousness.

        I am a white, Catholic man. I hit the trifecta on the last three acceptable bigotries. We are the villains of every movie, we are the only permissible objects of sport left in popular entertainment, we are the hapless Stepin Fetchits of every commercial. Anyone can roast us with impunity, whereas if I say the word “nigger” in public, my career is over. Consider that your little liberal sphincter viscerally twinged when I used the word “faggotry” above.

        No complaints here. Do your worst, leftoid, I won’t whine to mommy about “cruelty.” At the same time, however, don’t lecture me about what constitutes proper and improper “tolerance,” and which bigotry I am allowed to have.

        Matt

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 4:55 pm Jason

        That was the longest, windiest, bloviatingest comment you’ve ever left — and there’s been some real humdingers.

        Let me boil down your argument: Matt King can be cruel, intolerant, and bigoted because Matt King is a white Catholic male, a dying species. Does that pretty much cover it?

        I too am a white Catholic male who judges (despite the Bible telling us not to). The difference between us: You judge GROUPS, but I judge INDIVIDUALS.

        Try the latter on for size. Want to criticize a black man in public? Criticize his individual actions. Want to criticize a woman in public? Criticize her individual actions. Use their individual names, and you’ll avoid generalizing — your amply-demonstrated Achilles’ heel.

        It’s common sense. And stop feeling so butthurt about your demographic. Catholics ain’t going anywhere, and neither are whites, and neither are men. However, you’ll just see these qualities more spread out.

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 5:09 pm threealpha

        I love how you King Acolytes feed my ego by thinking about me and writing!!

        I can only imagine how it must feel to be judged and found wanting for immaturity of thought, as exclusion from the herd is anathema for you r types. Icky feelings, my condolences.

        Good “alpo” hit there Greg, sophomoric, but the timing was good, and the delivery concise. I thought about ending it all after I read it but this is much more fun. let’s focus on substance from here on out though, hell, that’s why I came! Well, that, the bitches and the drinks.

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 5:30 pm Greg Eliot

        It gets truly wearisome to have to constantly gainsay those who are not Christian telling Christians what Christianity is all about.

        Do the following words sound “Universal”?

        13“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.14“For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
        15“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

        In other words, even within churches, there will be those men and creeds that lead astray and are to be shunned.

        Further:

        49“I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled!50“But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished!51“Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division;52for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three.53“They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

        The true message of Christ, in and of itself, will cause dissent… even amongst family… for those without the ear to hear it, but are more enamoured of the ideas and “morality” of men.

        We’ve already gone over the violence against the moneychangers and the harsh rebukes to both friend (Peter) and foe (Sanhedrin, Pharisees, religious ‘authority’ of the day) that would, by today’s Mickey Mouse namby-pamby alleged Christian standards be deemed unChristian.

        Dozens more examples could be cited, but geez, how many times does the same thing have to be said?

        It only proves that you nonChristians and PC Christians that attempt to speak of scripture don’t know what you’re talking about, and don’t really care… for you repeat the same weak shaming language and misquotes of the “judge not” and “brotherhood” canards that show your nonexistent-to-merely superficial understanding of these things.

        Seems like every month the same ol’ same territory needs covered.

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 6:59 pm NiteLily

        @ Gregi

        I love it when beta boys spin tales about how strong they are. So, “NiteLily is a bunch of sound and fury that signifies nothing,” eh? LOL!!!!!! Is that why you don’t know what to do with yourself and you run to daddy with a black eye every day?

        @Tertullian
        “I’ll accept your criticism — but never NiteLily’s……!”

        Honestly, I can’t stop laughing at your childishness.

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 7:22 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Let me boil down your argument: Matt King can be cruel, intolerant, and bigoted because Matt King is a white Catholic male, a dying species. Does that pretty much cover it?

        Okay, I overestimated you.

        If you are Catholic, you are not much of one since we’re just hearing about it now. I don’t mind you CINOs nominally identifying with the church, even while politics is your true religion. It’s better than the open apostasy that is the trademark of your kind.

        …who judges (despite the Bible telling us not to).

        /eyeroll

        Back to catechism-class coloring books with you. You need a refresher in the basics. Judgment is not condemnation. There is no intelligence, much less wisdom, without judgment.

        Matt

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      • on January 9, 2013 at 2:03 am Jason

        Judgment, condemnation — it doesn’t matter. Bible says no.

        “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.”

        –Luke 6:37

        Care to take retract? Seriously, we can do this all week.

        I also wonder how insignificant one must feel, deep down, to sign his online handle with the word “King” … not once, but TWICE.

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      • on January 9, 2013 at 4:27 am yaser

        “I too am a white Catholic male who judges (despite the Bible telling us not to). The difference between us: You judge GROUPS, but I judge INDIVIDUALS.”

        The bible, new testament, about judging individuals:

        When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” (John 8:7)

        The bible, new testament, about judging groups:

        King James Version (1611): “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate (meaning faggots), nor abusers of themselves with mankind (also meaning faggots)” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, KJB)

        Judging groups seems solidly grounded in the bible.

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      • on January 9, 2013 at 9:49 am Greg Eliot

        +1 yaser… there are dozens of other examples that could be quoted as well.

        The point these would-be scripture experts who aren’t Christians themselves miss in their understanding is that the warnings against judgment entail merely a warning that the judgers themselves will be judged according to their own standards.

        1“Do not judge so that you will not be judged.2“For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

        Matt King, myself, and others of our ilk, have no problem with that… we live by our own strict standards and probably are much harsher on ourselves than anyone else could be.

        And thus alphie says: Care to take retract? Seriously, we can do this all week.

        How about you, you disingenuous quoter of scripture? Tired of getting your head handed to you yet? Note that I can’t do it all week, because I’ve been doing it like clockwork to your inane interpretation of scripture for months now, and this is the last time I revisit your hackneyed Mickey Mouse version of Christianity.

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      • on January 9, 2013 at 4:42 pm NiteLily

        @yasser

        These two examples you brought forth are contradictory, as many things are in the Bible, as well as in the Koran. On the one hand, it tells you not to judge sinners because chances are you are just as sinful as they are (what I tried to tell Eliot about being too self-righteous), but on the other hand it tells you who will not inherit the Kingdome of heaven. So it’s a bit contradictory, but I agree with you that judging certain groups is sanctioned in the Bible, and I do it too. However, the Bible says they shall not enter the Kingdome, not to kill them. Many misguided people throughout the ages thought the second verse gives them carte blanche to commit mass murder. Now, let me continue as I answer Jason.

        @Jason

        I have no problem with criticizing other groups, as long as it’s not hateful. Pointing out the obvious about a group’s behavior is not really hate, unless one engages in libeling, defaming, and using nontruths about said groups one doesn’t like, as Eliot is often engaging in. I have done it myself with the black culture, which I think is harmless to Blacks as well as the rest of the country. But I don’t consider myself a racist because I appreciate very much a black person who tells the truth about his black bother’s bad culture and rebukes them. One of my favorites is Thomas Swell. For people like Eliot, he can’t see the good in people ever, unless they are exactly like him – racially and religiously. That makes him a bigoted racist.

        You mentioned, “Cruelty, intolerance, bigotry = a three-ingredient recipe for needless suffering.”

        I will tell you that only cruelty is the one that matters here. Why you ask? When people are cruel and have no compassion for others, then intolerance and bigotry ensue, and when you can’t tolerate someone and you become hateful to them (bigoted), then you want to destroy them (murder). Cruelty leads to murder (Nazi Germany). That’s why we shouldn’t let evil men like Eliot try to hijack the problems facing our country and substituting them with hating groups, as if no whites have been complicit in these problems. He’s blinded to his own kin, but cuts no slack to anyone else. Then he has the nerve to say he has his own strict standards that are much harsher on himself than anyone else could be. LOL! His hamster is strong, but his rationalizing is weak and I see through it. I was right when I told him he is too self-righteous and thinks himself always right and pious. That’s the exact time you discover you’re anything but. The Greeks used to call this hubris.

        Except, he isn’t just arrogant and self-righteous (which are harmless in of themselves), he is also a religious fanatic (which I often speak against the Muslim variety, but he is a Christian who deserves the same treatment as the Muslim fanatics) who uses religion as a reason to destroy everyone when his big fray (as he calls it) will begin. He mentioned his fray many time until it was questioned by others. He tries to act harmless, but he’s anything but, so don’t be fooled.

        Nowhere in the Bible is cruelty mentioned. That’s something evil men like Eliot inserted into their actions to get their way.

        Bottom line, don’t let them twist the truth – it’s one thing to criticize, but quite another to transfer the criticism into hate and justification to commit mass murder, which Eliot is proponent of, and which his other allies can’t see – King and the others.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 8:04 pm 3rd Millenium Men

      Say Hallelujah. Marrying a virgin is winning my friend. The Best of the Manosphere on Virginity, including Heartiste’s best articles on the subject: http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/manosphere-virginity/

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 10:59 pm walawala

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpjoMHfmcoY This video is worth a post in itself. I have not used this personally, but I have used a variation of this gleaned from Krauser’s blog and to great effect.

      Krauser puts it much better. My adapted version (for text) goes like this:

      I launch it when the girl puts up ASD, or starts accusing me of being a player—a shit test. When the Agree of Amplify strategy of “Yah I’ve got TONS off girls” doesn’t put them off the question, I usually punt with this. I’ve done this 4 times. In 3/4 times i’ve banged the girl. In the case of the 4th situation, the girl wanted to bang me, but I blew her off because honestly I didn’t feel like going out to meet her.

      “Sex is not the most important thing, but it is important. I”m a man, you’re a woman. I don’t hide my desires the way so many other guys do. When they do that, it only confuses women and makes them uncomfortable. Is that what you want? Too many people think either worry about the past or think too much about the future without appreciating the present and what they have and share now…That’s how i prefer to live my life…”

      That in either text or spoken form has broken down ASD and also helped to get the girls talking and opening up about sex.

      After that it becomes much easier because after you’ve made your intentions known, there’s no sleaziness. You can calibrate how to either amp it up or pull it back.

      I use this when the girl starts to ask if all i’m after is sex or getting into her pants.

      Waiting for sex in a relationship is like playing a carnival game. You will never know what the prize is until after you’ve paid and shot your wad…

      Chicks instinctively get that the big reason you’re with them is to bang them. Otherwise you’re LBJF’d.

      They control the relationship. They lead otherwise.

      I’m now in the midst of gaming a very flakey girl.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 11:00 pm walawala

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    • on January 5, 2013 at 2:32 am Laraby69@hotmail.com

      It partly depends on WHY she is a virgin.

      Reasons of religion and upbringing?

      Strict family that she is/feels accountable to? (this works to your favour as it will help keep her hamster in check)

      She is young and hasn’t had the chance to rebel yet and ride the carousel for a while? (*this is the dangerous because later you could very well be othe one that she rebels on. Particularly if you don’t meet expectations that are most likely overblown/unrealistic).

      Low sex drive?

      I’d do some more homework if I were you.

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    • on January 5, 2013 at 11:55 am Doc

      Would you buy a car without test driving it? How do you know she likes sex? How do you know that you will enjoy sex with her? This is a train-wreck…

      You want a woman that you enjoy fucking, and enjoy being with. But you never want to marry her – that way lies higher taxes, and lots of other minuses. Just hook up with women and then you’re with them only because you want to be, not because the state is forcing you to.

      I don’t expect you to listen, but remember – you were warned….

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 5:20 pm yaser

        Funny, i thought it was about buying a card that OTHERS hadn’t taken for a tests drive.

        Wouldn’t it be awesome to buy the sloppy second of YaReally?

        “you want a woman that you enjoy fucking”

        She will learn. It’s fun to teach.

        “But you never want to marry her”

        I can patrially agree with this. If it were culturally available, i would go for a some equivalent of an Urfi marriage

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_Urfi

        The reason Urfi marriages can work in islamic countries is because the fear of consequences in the afterlife and social pressure incentives to make the marriage work. The marriage not being reported to the government doesn’t actually matter, cause nobody gives a shit about the government anyway.

        In Iran, people openly drove in the wrong lane until recently and nobody gave a shit; young males thought it was cool. When the government wanted to introduce VAT, all businesses owners just closed down for three days, until the government gave up. (yes, Irans government being strong and dictatorial is western propaganda)

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 2:55 pm Matthew King (King A)

        The Persians are an admirable people, despite it all.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 8:13 pm Greg Eliot

        They’re the cat’s meow.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 5:25 pm Anon

        Driving in the wrong lane is savage r-selected shit. I’m sure they do it in Africa too.

        But props for the Anti-big ass government.

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    • on January 5, 2013 at 8:32 pm Celeste

      I was like your wife. Incredible pain the first time. Barely tolerable for the first year. A little painful for the first six months. Now it feels good sometimes. We persisted. I love him, and I wanted it to get better. It finally did. I really don’t know how the promiscuous women do it. Maybe alcohol.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 3:29 pm Jumbobeef

        >I really don’t know how the promiscuous women do it. Maybe alcohol.

        Its not alcohol, are you presuming that these women are raped? I think not, because i didn’t had sex with a girl who is drunk dead, please if you were a virgin for your “The One” that doesn’t mean there arn’t women who enjoy sex, While i have had partners my fav question was to ask them “How much they like sex and in how many ways they think they enjoy it?” You don’t want to know the answers i got for the question, IT WAS NASTY, DIRTY and HORNY :D.

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    • on January 6, 2013 at 4:06 pm Anonymous

      It’s HURTS HURTS HURTS like a mofo!!! When I lost the big V I had painful sex for 1 whole year-and a few years after that too. A few years after losing my virginity my gyno said my hymen was still 75% intact, hence the painful sex! My boyfriend wasn’t happy. I sucked in bed cuz I had no clue who I was sexually, didnt know what I liked. It was a horrible experience. Fast forward to today-Sex is no longer scary or painful. I actually quite enjoy it. 🙂

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    • on January 6, 2013 at 7:30 pm Fluffy McGee

      Marrying a virgin is like playing russian roulette, who knows what’s going to come out when that trigger is pulled.

      She could transform into sex godess that meshes well with your personality or she could discover that she despises sex, or even worse, loves sex but finally realizes that she needs it from more than just you (less likely though). The good thing is you are in full control of shaping her sexuality, if I was in your shoes I’d be making a plan to sculpt her sexuality towards my liking. Virgins are usually terrified of performing badly (even women), so just giving her lots of praise in the things you enjoy will help her to enjoy the process more, and develop enjoyment in the sexual experiences, even if they are painful at first.

      Most of the problems people are pointing out here, are problems related to all marriages, not just marriages with virgins. I’d say with a virgin you’ve got a better shot at going the distance than with a sexually experienced woman, but until you open pandora’s box you have no clue of what you’re getting. Pray for the best, expect the worst, and do everything in your power to influence the outcome.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 7:51 pm Greg Eliot

        Pray for the best, expect prepare for the worst, and do everything in your power to influence the outcome.

        Nicely put… but with my one proviso… for all things in life.

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    • on January 7, 2013 at 12:07 pm Wrecked 'Em

      I’d say that I don’t know why some of the posters here are such retards, but I have my suspicions, so that’s not strictly true.

      Expect a lifetime of fidelity and good sex. She’s never known anybody else and so she’s unpolluted by comparisons. And if had the willpower to keep her virginity until marriage, she’ll have the willpower to keep faithful afterwards.

      Seriously, people… marrying a virgin is what civilization (at least that “civilization” which flourished) promoted, ’cause that’s what works.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 4:44 pm NiteLily

        That’s a healthy attitude before feminism took hold and polluted men’s brains with the garbage that women should have sexual experiences which rival that of men.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 5:07 pm Jason

        If you exclude fapping and homosexual dabbling, it’s mathematically impossible for men to have more sexual experiences than women…

        …unless you acknowledge that female hypergamy is necessary.

        Just sayin’.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 5:25 pm NiteLily

        I know what you’re saying – for every man that sleeps around, there is a woman to accommodate him. But, also take into consideration that only a few women have multiple partners way more than the average woman. The average woman is not as sexually active as the average man. And then there is the aware types that because of family and upbringing keep their legs closed. So it’s not true that every woman sleeps around just like every man.

        A bit off-topic. I read an article once about a woman (maybe I can find it) who had an experiment with her boyfriend who let her fuck him with a strap on. When she did that to him, she lost all respect for him. She was a big ho herself but after that experience she finally understood why men feel better with women who are not that sexually experienced or better yet virgins. I think most normal men can’t understand how a woman can open her body to a man without getting something in return from him, like his love. If the sex act was reversed, most men wouldn’t open their bodies to someone who could have control over their bodies. That’s why gay men don’t make any sense.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 5:39 pm Jason

        Re: strap-on story — I know a woman who divorced her first husband after experiencing that exact same scenario. He asked for defenstration, and she obliged — but then lost all respect for him.

        It’s unfathomable to me how some men are so screwed up. Cheers to the red pill.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 6:05 pm NiteLily

        Jason, here is the link.
        http://www.salon.com/1999/01/28/feature_453/

        She strapped on a dildo and fucked her boyfriend in the ass. Then she learned why the act of penetrating makes men dominate and women submissive, and why those roles should never be reversed.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 6:19 pm NiteLily

        You want to throw up? This is how some men justify “letting their GFs take their virginity.” LOL! If it weren’t so disgusting, it would be funny as hell.

        http://www.alternet.org/story/83459/why_i_agreed_to_be_a_bend-over_boyfriend

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 6:27 pm cynthia

        @NiteLily

        That’s a disturbing article, probably because of the way she wrote it than anything – it doesn’t seem like she had any respect for the guy to begin with. (But then, he must have been somewhat submissive to begin with in order to even suggest pegging in the first place) It seems like a very basic concept, how the act of penetration is fundamental to sex and sexual behavior. I’ve never understood how any woman can stand having her body open in that way to so many different partners. The level of trust on the woman’s part is far, far higher than the man’s.

        As far as gay men go… I think I’ve seen studies that say they fantasize about surrender almost to the same degree that straight women do. And also, not every one of them is comfortable with both roles; I don’t have the percentages, but usually, gay men seem to pick topping or bottoming and stick to just that.

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 7:18 pm NiteLily

        “I’ve never understood how any woman can stand having her body open in that way to so many different partners. The level of trust on the woman’s part is far, far higher than the man’s.”

        If feminism says it’s OK, they will throw out the window their instinctive feminine feelings to stay in tune with feminism, cuz after all only backward ass women are not feminist. Get it?

        Trust? They trust everybody, cuz after all there are laws against rape and abuse and the perpetrator would end up getting punished. Feminism is watching out for them, so are the police and the laws. So after they get murdered, everything will kick into place. They’ll catch the killer and bring him to justice so they can trust everyone.

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  2. on January 4, 2013 at 3:35 pm Falconer

    Yup, this is a huge problem for me. I always get flirty eyes from chicks, as I’m a reasonably good-looking guy. But I almost never act on them. I will give myself credit for not training my creeper peepers on them for too long though. I just make eye contact, smirk and eject.

    Not much I know, but it’s a start. My inner game is all fucked up from my current life situation, but I’m slowly scaling the mountain.

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  3. on January 4, 2013 at 3:36 pm immoralgables

    Amen.

    A few weeks ago me and my good friend were sarging in the West Village. Him and I were chatting and plotting our next move when i noticed this one HB8 glancing at me for half a second.

    I immediately dropped the convo with my wing and without hesitation went to the Hb8 and told her to stop treating me like a piece of meat and that I have feelings to, etc.

    It was the first time I didn’t even think about approaching a hot girl; I just did it because I was opening girls all night so I didn’t care by that point. The reaction I got from her was awesome. She did not expect me to initiate like that and so directly

    I of course fucked up shortly thereafter but for those few minutes I knew exactly what Heartiste is talking about.

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    • on January 5, 2013 at 12:58 am whorefinder

      NYC? Post on my blog with your email in the sig line. I’d love to sarge with some guys when I’m there.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 7:01 pm immoralgables

        Put up a contact email and I’ll reach out to you homie.

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  4. on January 4, 2013 at 3:37 pm corvinus

    Great advice, and something I’ve been trying to tell myself. When at the bar, I have been training myself to not look directly at a woman I want (unless I’m talking to her) and not even to turn my body toward her. Slowly but surely the beta is being squeezed out.

    Always good to have the reinforcement.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 7:14 pm yaser

      Male attention is sexual currency.

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  5. on January 4, 2013 at 3:39 pm youngreact

    Off topic but goes great with the post “Lots of Feminists…”:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/books/2013/01/alisa_valdes_the_feminist_and_the_cowboy_reviewed.html

    This about sums it up:

    “Our heroine’s attraction to him—that is, the animal attraction of a trash-talking feminist who grew up in a Marxist, Barbie-free household to this … this … caveman, this brute with a pickup truck and a gun rack who watches Fox News and eats steak—comes as an unwelcome surprise to her at first. She wonders: Aren’t all conservatives “stupid! Or evil!”? Shouldn’t a good feminist only be into guys in tweed suits who recycle? Isn’t it a liberal sin to be turned on by big, strong, leathery, tanned hands?”

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 4:27 pm Hugh G. Rection

      I think Uncle Elmer pretty much wrote up the first chapter of a novel to that effect… They are stealing from the manosphere!

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 7:05 pm Uncle Elmer

        Thanks Hugh.

        From Chapter 1 :

        “…The sun beat down now, promising to dry her before she appeared in town like a wet puppy dog. She brightened on seeing some people on horseback ahead. They disappeared into the woods. She walked briskly to catch them, finally reaching the trail head and walking into the pines, sure that they could give her the final directions. But no riders appeared. She trotted a ways up the dusty path , hopeful they were nearby…”

        From Chapter 2 :

        “…The memory of the previous evening’s ordeal edged into her mind, taunting her, shaming her. She was indignant and angry over her rough treatment by the crude and lustful cowboys. How dare they treat her like some cheap whore!…”

        —————-

        Other details are too scandalous to share in mixed company.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 7:14 pm Uncle Elmer

        I forgot the intro; the setup narrative :

        Jill Sandburn eased her car to the edge of the road, holding her foot on the brake as she pulled out the map for another look. Certain she was on the right highway, but puzzled by the expanse of mountains that had been creeping slowly past all morning.

        After a brief study she felt confident in her direction. With a little luck a turnoff shown on the map would be just ahead, and promised to shave some time off her drive to Needhampton and her new job as as Director of the Sally Ride Women’s STEM Directorate for Brademore College. She pulled the car back onto the blacktop and accelerated down the road.

        The sun baked through heavy passing clouds, warming the car comfortably. Pines glided past now as she moved deeper into the dark mass of mountains. And there it was , Route 27, the turnoff she had spotted on the map.

        She slowed around the curve, then pulled to a stop again, facing down Route 27 into the darkening hills. Ahead the highway was swallowed by the thickening forest.

        “Hmm”, she thought. Looking up at the clouds she wondered if she should just stick with the directions sent her by Dr. Maple.

        But the map hinted that an hour could be saved, and she had wearied of the long cross-country trek, so she decided to be daring her last few miles and started down the scenic road.

        She was climbing higher as the hills unfolded before her. As each hill passed and lulled her mind she thought again about what she had left for this Job.

        “Boredom, that’s what” she said aloud, laughing. What a long tense battle it had been. First deciding that she wanted something else besides a life of security with her kind but domineering boyfriend Steve, then breaking the ties and accepting the new position so far from his jealous attempts to hold her back.

        And now she was on her own and felt great about it, free to seek adventure wherever she liked. When offered the job she had been ecstatic, eager to move to the college surrounded by wild mountains for her to explore…

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 10:07 pm cynthia

        What’s really terrifying about this is I’ve read female erotica that basically starts out this way.

        Empowered wymyn are sexy! /sarc

        I’m guessing, however, that your story doesn’t end in a touching lesbian scissoring scene in which Jill discovers the meaning of being a true woman, nor a sweet post-fuck cuddle with the now-emotionally-castrated alpha male of her dreams…

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 8:26 pm youngreact

      Here’s another tidbit:

      “when men… act like men rather than like emasculated boys, you as a woman will find not only great pleasure in submitting to them but also great growth as a person.”

      And this woman was (is?) regarded as one of the most hardcore and strident feminists out there. Are we sure Heartiste didn’t ghost-write this? [I believe the book also makes heavy use of the term “alpha” as well.]

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 9:06 pm Zombie Shane

      this … this … caveman, this brute with a pickup truck and a gun rack who watches Fox News and eats steak—comes as an unwelcome surprise to her at first. She wonders: Aren’t all conservatives “stupid! Or evil!”? Shouldn’t a good feminist only be into guys in tweed suits…

      She’s overlooking the conservatives who eat steak and and watch Fox News and drive pickup trucks with 12 gauge shotguns and who ALSO wear tweed suits.

      That always freaks ’em out – in both directions – either walking out of the building together [you in your tweed suit and her in her business suit] and then ending up in the parking lot at your pickup truck [not a Porsche!], or else you driving your pickup truck [not a Porsche!] to some gathering [like a barbeque grill-out] but emerging from it dressed in a tweed suit.

      And then it really drives ’em nuts when you’re wearing a $4.95 Walmart flannel shirt beneath your tweeds…

      Shotguns, flannel shirts, and tweed coats.

      Guaran-damned-teed to moisten the most callous of feminazi poontangs.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 7:38 pm Papa Smurf

        Stop confusing rednecks and an alpha males. They are not the same thing.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 7:46 pm Greg Eliot

        Three rednecks, one alpha:

        http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkueq9_saturday-night-live-brenda-the-waitress_fun#.UOjJKqwTyq4

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  6. on January 4, 2013 at 3:50 pm universe

    You only need one or two good looks when the energies are mutual.

    Then just go about your affairs and half mindedly pay attention to her approach your way. When she closes in for her up close attention validation play it up a little more. At a decided time and if she can detect my voice amid the mind numbing club din she’ll hear “Hey, long time no see.” If not fathoming that one with up-turned nose and retreat – next. There will be others. If she amusingly or quizzically plays along drop the next one or two. Then it’s spontaneous or planned musings of your choice.
    Work woman, work. You ain’t gettin’ off that easy. Until I decide otherwise.

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  7. on January 4, 2013 at 3:59 pm Zmbiklr

    Exactly. Don’t fuck around unless you’re going to fuck her.

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  8. on January 4, 2013 at 4:01 pm Big Ern

    Getting up the courage to approach has never been my primary problem. It’s figuring out what to say. I actually have nothing to say to the woman. We most likely have nothing in common, and I’m lousy at small talk. I know it’s not due to fear, since I don’t really want to say anything to fat or ugly chicks either.

    Having to make conversation with our women. Hah! The philosophers of old would surely pity our generation.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 5:36 pm Starets

      Same with me. I’m lousy at small talk in general, and even worse with people I don’t know. With a new woman, I tend to draw a complete blank. Makes approaching difficult.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 10:53 pm Ronin

        Thirded.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 8:18 am Kate

        I would make a really ridiculous man. In my imagination I’d say things like, “I saw you had some ketchup on your shirt.” or “How come you’re not wearing a corsage?” of “Why did you steal my toothbrush.”

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 12:54 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Alert! These are cheat codes to Kate’s heart.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 2:31 pm Kate

        LOL- They don’t need cheat codes. I love everybody 🙂

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 3:30 pm Jumbobeef

        which is why you are my Geisha Kate.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 3:46 pm Kate

        I am only one man’s GeishaKate, and the name and the hobby have been retired in honor of what we shared.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 2:57 pm Matthew King (King A)

        They don’t need cheat codes. I love everybody 🙂

        Translation: she’s saying she gets around.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 4:14 pm Kate

        If by “get around” you mean drive, then, yes, I do get around. Not too many people can handle the stick shift. I’m pretty good with a grocery cart too.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 9:05 am Zombie Shane

        Do you have the discipline to learn boring-as-hell shit like how to write a VBA script within an Excel spreadsheet? How to employ sparse matrix techniques in statistics? How to write finite-difference methods in FORTRAN or MATLAB? How to recover a relational database if your dictionary becomes corrupted?

        Then learn boring-as-hell shit like:

        A) Chanel perfumes & cosmetics
        B) Dior perfumes & cosmetics
        C) Lancome perfumes & cosmetics
        D) Victoria’s Secret lingerie
        E) Bare Necessities lingerie
        F) La Perla lingerie
        G) All the “name” designers on the QVC channel
        H) The “vintage clothing” phenomenon – vintage dresses, vintage swim suits, vintage lingerie
        I) WINE!!! Chardonnay, Pinot Noir, Cabernet Sauvignon, Riesling, Champagne
        J) Women’s shoe makers? [Ugh – okay, that one might require an entire PhD’s worth of effort…]

        Approach the study of the fairer sex as though it were some boring-as-hell shit that you had to master in order to keep up your GPA and make Phi Beta Kappa and then get into a really good grad school or professional school.

        Only now you’re trying to get inside a really tight pair of pants and then beneath a really sexy pair of thong underwear…

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 10:07 am Zombie Shane

        Also REALITY TELEVISION!!!

        Chicks LOVE Reality TV.

        Learn your Guido characters and characterettes on Jersey Shore.

        Memorize who has and hasn’t been kicked off the stupid island [on whatever the hell The Stupid Island Show is called] – here you’re like a blackjack player who’s counting cards in a casino, only instead of trying to remember the cards that you’ve seen on the table, you’re trying to remember some idiotic idiot on some asinine fake island somewhere in the vaste wasteland of obscure televised idiocy.

        And trust me on this one – that MTV West Virginia Redneck show is gonna be HUGE!!!

        You don’t have waste too much time on this stuff – just fast forward through a few recordings to get a sense of what’s happening, and then scroll through the Wikipedia pages every so often so as to jog your memory.

        [Again, it’s like cramming for a final exam in college or for a CPA exam or for a Cisco Router exam – you can do it, you know you can – you’ve just gotta grit your teeth and suck it up and make it happen.]

        I guess that if you were really obsessed with it, then you could follow the soaps [chicks LOVE soap operas], although, like learning women’s shoes, that’s getting into some really hardcore [frankly almost sociopathic] con-man territory: If I had to memorize what Susan Lucci had been up to all these decades, then I think that I might just as well decide to say, “Ah, to hell with it”, and stay home and whack off instead.

        Anyway, the goal here is to have not TENS of angles of attack for your small talk, but instead to have HUNDREDS of angles of attack.

        You learn your Chanel and your La Perla and your vintages of Dom Perignon for your professional women, who did some post-graduate work and who have some professional certifications.

        And you learn your QVC and your Victoria’s Secret and your Kardashian family gossip for your chicks who spent some time at Community College and might have an Associate’s degree.

        Or, better yet, throw some reverse-direction-alism at ’em: Get all vulgar with your professional chicks but all high-class and snobbish with your working class chicks.

        Again, though, the goal here is to be able to move quickly and fluidly and confidently through hundreds of different possible topics for small talk* – from “Esther Williams Vintage Swimwear” to “New Balance Jogging Bras” to “Which Guido Knocked Up Snooki” – no matter what the situation requires, you’ve got a line of attack prepared for it.

        *Not to be confused with Smalltalk.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 10:14 am Zombie Shane

        And if all else fails, you can always fall back on utter and complete honesty.

        You: Are you any good at making small talk?

        She: No. Are you?

        You: Me neither… Hey, do you wanna get outta here and go someplace and have a drink?

        She: Okay.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 12:35 pm Skunk

        Sounds like more trouble than it’s worth.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 1:00 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Ha. Nice cheat sheet. Another private store of knowledge gets added to the mountain.

        Approach the study of the fairer sex as though it were some boring-as-hell shit that you had to master in order to keep up your GPA and make Phi Beta Kappa and then get into a really good grad school or professional school.

        This is the essence of the PUA project from the start. White men categorize and systemize knowledge to within an inch of its life (and, unfortunately, often past its life, i.e., vivisection, killing the passion project in the process). That’s why, once the effort begins in earnest and at large, the war will be short and bloodless.

        Matt

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 8:04 pm Zombie Shane

        “New Balance Jogging Bras”

        I swear to Goodness I am not making this up: I was at the gym this afternoon, and I noticed a big poster on the bulletin board, about how “80% OF ALL WOMEN WEAR THE WRONG BRA SIZE”, and advertising a free seminar on how to fit your sports bra properly.

        I kid you not.

        I tell you guys – if you just learn a few of the basics, then the “small talk” will write itself for you – all you have to do is just stand there and read it off the teleprompter.

        Shit like: “If your friend [i.e. the Cock-Blocker] weren’t such a cheapskate – if she’d pay just a few dollars more for an Under Armour bra – then she wouldn’t have to look all saggy like an old lady.”

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 3:00 pm Matthew King (King A)

        I praised your crib sheet, Zombie Shane, but it became food for WordPest’s caprice. Will this comment slip by too? Anyway, good show.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 9:13 am Entitled Dos user

        @King A

        You should post the substantial ones to your own blog as well (start one for the purpose). There would be an audience for that, especially if you improved your writing a bit (some of your older messages have been almost inspired).

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 4:03 pm 4cpiomega

        Finite-difference methods are not boring!

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 4:27 pm PetiteOlive

        hmm La Perla ❤

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 7:11 am chris

        That’s why PUA’s advise guys to learn routines to fall back on when they draw a blank, i.e. funny/attraction or comfort increasing stories/gambits.

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  9. on January 4, 2013 at 4:02 pm Raul Felix

    So basically… as soon as you see her, approach her. Simple.

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  10. on January 4, 2013 at 4:05 pm bills fan

    Offtopic: friended a woman on facebook, she starts liking my posts, and I hers. She seems VERY CLASSY so we have to keep this clean. So my first message to her was that ‘she was more beautiful than the photographs that she takes’ (and she’s a photographer, sunsets, flowers, etc). The reply I get is ‘thank you; you’re very kind’ and continues on. Question is what does very kind imply, and is it weird that her using the semi colon, and actually using it Properly, is a total turnon?

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 4:09 pm Big Ern

      “So my first message to her was that ‘she was more beautiful than the photographs that she takes’ ”

      /double facepalm

      [Heartiste: /triple bankshot facepalm. This guy needs to hie to the archives, stat. bills fan, you may begin with the 16 commandments above.]

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:16 pm bills fan

        why the /double facepalm ? lol I thought it was a good line. Basically shes really pretty and i figure shes heard that a million times so i had to come up with something original… bad idea perhaps??

        [Heartiste: I smell a troll…]

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:23 pm bills fan

        X Ignore her beauty. Epic fail on my part. This is my first time to the forum, and it shall not be my last!

        So based on how much I’ve put myself into the bravo male category, how do i undo what I wrote and take her over with alpha male gusto?

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:25 pm Maya

        No, just forgive yourself this small mistake and be an alpha male from now on. Don’t delete anything, that would be truly insecure and pathetic.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:28 pm newly aloof

        Tell her, “Sorry that last message was for your sister.” That or ignore her for a year while you concentrate on the one billion other hotties out there.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:30 pm bills fan

        lol i like that reply

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 4:56 pm Kate

        You’ve hardly ruined things. Just don’t overcompliment from here on out. It makes people uncomfortable. One compliment can be quite nice. Just leave it at that 🙂 Don’t take her pleasure at it to mean it needs to be repeated right away because a second compliment followinging the first will actually get the opposite response.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:24 pm yuppitsme

        Heartsy, he’s not a troll…I’m the friend who sent him here 🙂

        [Heartiste: ok. If bills fan wants a serious answer, he can’t go wrong with newly aloof’s reply. bottom line: never compliment a woman on her beauty before you’ve banged her.]

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:27 pm yuppitsme

        As his friend, she does look like a great girl for him…and she was the one who initiated contact with him…so he just needs to be taught how to respond to her.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:34 pm Holden Caulfield

        Except now he looks like a total fucking dweeb with zero game. Not sexy, no matter what any woman says otherwise…

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:33 pm Maya

        Send your address to https://heartiste.wordpress.com/about/, you’ll receive a gift for inviting a new reader to Chateau Heartiste! We are very grateful when people recommend us to their friends 🙂

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:46 pm bills fan

        newly aloof’s reply it is, it works because itll keep her guessing… she doesnt have a sister hahaha

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:55 pm newly aloof

        My reply won’t work because you’ll still have her on a Fn pedestal. Take your foot off the gas bro, breathe, and do a marathon read of this website’s archive. Then get Roosh’s Bang and Day Bang books. Then ask your buddy for links to the other Game sites and rinse repeat. Don’t talk to this one-in-a-billion female until then. By then you’ll be like Neo and know “there is no spoon(girl more beautiful than scenery)”. Seriously, imagine this dream girl of yours right now. Now imagine her taking a shit – while on the rag. Problem solved.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 5:06 pm itsme

        Now imagine her taking a shit – while on the rag. Problem solved.

        or not.

        after all, he did say that he found her proper use of punctuation a turnon. not really that much of a leap to coprophilia.

        http://isitnormal.com/story/i-like-watching-beautiful-women-poop-27980/

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 5:08 pm Greg Eliot

        If things don’t work out, there’s always Maya.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 5:11 pm bills fan

        Spot on newlyaloof, its time to take the foot off of the gas, breathe and do some reading. Just gotta remember shes just another chick that takes shits while on the rag.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 12:37 pm Skunk

        Don’t try to undo the damage just don’t do it again.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 4:16 pm immoralgables

      The hardest part about sending that kind of message is telling your parents that you’re gay.

      I’m kidding man I used to send cringe worthy stuff like that before. Hit the archives here and check out Krausers blog he has good insight into online openers.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 12:13 pm Wrecked 'Em

        Come on, you had no problem telling your parents that you’re gay.

        I kid! I kid!

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 4:17 pm Lara

      I’ve had men tell me I’m prettier in person than in pictures. It’s a bit of a backhanded compliment, but I’ll take it.

      [Heartiste: This is the alpha way of giving women compliments. Ambiguous, open to misinterpretation. Sometimes betas will whine that they’ve heard men compliment women and it didn’t hurt those men’s chances, but what they likely overheard was those men framing their compliments in such a way as to make them more enticing to the recipients. Betas who think they can just go in guns a-blazing and bestow women with effusive compliments about their beauty are in for a dispiriting surprise.]

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 6:01 pm Zmbiklr

        My most likely mode of compliment is quick and drive-by, usually implying they have good taste or expressed themselves well. This has gotten hookups with complete strangers inside of 30 seconds when their little brains pull the trigger and decide to run after the man they barely saw and may never again see now walking quickly away.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 7:08 pm Tartarus

        That’s a rather common neg, not a “real” compliment.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 4:20 pm Zmbiklr

      “Very kind” means her thighs squeezed shut hard.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 5:10 pm Greg Eliot

        and the semi-colon means she crossed her ankles as well.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 5:14 pm bills fan

        is it really that rare for a well educated woman to use proper punctuation when sending messages?

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 5:25 pm Holden Caulfield

        Only when she has decided you’re a pussy.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 2:33 pm Kate

        Oh, stop. A grammargasm is nothing to be ashamed of 🙂

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 11:43 am Greg Eliot

        No grammargasms during one’s period, please.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 3:10 pm Matthew King (King A)

        A jest with a pun on a syntax climax. You’re giving her multiples. She’s gonna comma dozen times.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 3:30 pm Greg Eliot

        I never stop until they reach their exclamation point.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 4:22 pm Kate

        Ah, laughter. If this keeps up, I might make a record 24 hour recovery from a LJBF. As it is, I’m in danger of going over to the enemy and yelling at men on the streets.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 4:33 pm PetiteOlive

        @ King A, lolzzz that was funny!

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 5:02 pm Erudite Knight

      Yeah man, that is really bad. If you are new, its a beginner mistake.

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    • on January 5, 2013 at 12:23 am Days of Broken Arrows

      The naysayers on here are right — this was a bad move. But you can probably pull out of this, especially if you’re both younger than 24 (i.e. she’s not too jaded yet). Here’s how.

      Go dark. No commenting on her FB posts, no messages, and don’t reply if she comments on your status for a month or two. If you’re around 30, this needs to be three months.

      After some time goes by, comment on one of her posts. Make sure it’s a post that links a news article or something. DO NOT take Beta Bait. That means never comment when girls post photos or status updates whining about BS and expecting White Knights to jump in an offer moral support. Your job on FB is to make little smart-ass comments in the margins and NOT to be an effortless “ego boost” for women. I’ve actually seen women use that expression “What an ego boost!!” These weren’t the guys they were screwing, though.

      After you’ve opened the door and commented on a post of hers, she may ask where you’ve been. You can go two ways here. The best option is ignore the past and just game her with whatever works. The other option is say “drama” move on and let her gradually pull out of you that the “drama” is that your ex ended it with you because you flirt too much. This gives you a “get out of jail free” card because it reframes your flirting with her as meaningless since you flirt with “everyone.” You can’t volunteer this info upfront, tho. Make her pull it out of you.

      Moral: never, ever compliment a woman on FB or like a woman’s photo on there unless it’s your grandmother. Good luck.

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    • on January 5, 2013 at 1:10 pm Matthew King (King A)

      lol I thought it was a good line. Basically shes really pretty and i figure shes heard that a million times so i had to come up with something original

      It brings a tear to the eye seeing a beta’s blinders violently torn off. That never gets old.

      Welcome, brother. We’ve got full 180-degree vision for you, even 360 once you get your head on a swivel. There’s a whole world you’ve missed in your periphery.

      Matt

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  11. on January 4, 2013 at 4:10 pm Andoronicus

    Wait so what you are saying is in order to have sex with a woman you have to talk to her and/or by physically near her? It’s not just enough to look at her from across the room?

    Let me get my notepad.

    [Heartiste: So simple a concept so frequently violated by men.

    ps it’s more than that. you also have to *stop* looking at girls across the room. the bad must be excised so that the good can find refuge.]

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 4:36 pm Holden Caulfield

      Eliminating beta behaviors is difficult, probably because so many guys don’t even realize its beta. Once you become a man of action, its so exhilarating, you won’t miss the old (beta) you.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 8:04 pm corvinus

      Like the black dude told the main beta in 40-year-old version, “NO! USE YOUR PERIPHERALS!”

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 9:30 pm Tarl

      Plenty of guys don’t even get to the “looking at women” stage – they are stuck in the “not leaving their apartment” stage. And I assure you, it is very difficult to have sex with women if you never leave your apartment, much less look at them or talk to them.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 2:50 am Entitled Dos user

        Reminds me of a natural I once knew. He telephoned a girl I knew by name and we had just seen somewhere while she hadn’t seen us. Something I wouldn’t have dreamed of doing back then, myself. He didn’t know her nor did the girl know him.

        I was listening to the conversation, and I suppose at some point the girl said something along the lines of, “Why would you call me, is this the only way you can get a girl to talk to you?” That’s more the essence of it than a literal paraphrase. I don’t think it was an assholish question, the way it was phrased. Anyway, he responded with honesty that he rarely left the house and the only girls who came there were some kids during Halloween, and that they were kinda too young for him.

        Just an honest, mildly humorous response. Didn’t seem to do him harm, as he was banging the girl within a reasonable period of time from the first phone conversation.

        In general, he didn’t talk very much. There were other times they would talk on the phone, and he would sometimes hold it far away from his ears making a bored face, not even listening to what she was saying. At one point he explained to the girl, “No, I’m listening. I am listening.”

        I was too stupid then to learn from his successes that being a bit uncaring and not saying anything very homo will get you far with beautiful women.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 12:43 pm Skunk

        lol I do the phone away from the ear bit with my wife. Bring the phone back every 5 or ten seconds for a “yup” or an “uh huh” and she’s none the wiser.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 12:58 pm Anon

        It’s called hikikomori, the most common condition in the wonderful world of middle-class geeks and dorks.

        The solution is Game, or getting kicked out of the apartment.

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  12. on January 4, 2013 at 4:14 pm newly aloof

    Roosh’s elderly openers for the win.

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  13. on January 4, 2013 at 4:47 pm JLT

    Off topic, but any comments?

    Why Girls Do Better At School
    http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/01/04/1555229/why-girls-do-better-at-school

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    • on January 5, 2013 at 3:31 am Entitled Dos user

      Men desire to learn, but not bullshit or irrelevant trivia. I think that’s the subtlety missing in the message.

      I wish people wouldn’t imply this makes the girls somehow better, and means the males require more social engineering.

      I don’t want males or maleness to be changed to suit the (crappy, hollow) education system. Just make some changes to the education system so it becomes a reasonably rational one instead of the communist day care camp it is. Thanks.

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  14. on January 4, 2013 at 4:49 pm nagual

    why my cousin is considered pretty if she doesnt have full lips, small nose, almond shaped eyes, high forehead. Furthermore, she has a square face shape. I was wondering why people think she is pretty…

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 5:02 pm JironGhrad

      Social conditioning. So many “hot” actresses aren’t.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 6:07 pm Starets

        Very true. The freaks in Hollywood seem to be trying to change the standard of female beauty. The recent photos of Mila Kunis that came out of her without makeup are a great example; without the benefit of professional makeup and photo retouching, she is not at all attractive.

        Many of the so-called hot actresses have very mannish faces. Hollywood actresses in the ’30s to ’50s were much more feminine looking and attractive.

        Really though, I often see women walking down the street who are more attractive than the average “hot” star.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 12:03 am Mr Pointyface

        I agree, and my theory is it takes hard-core MBA-style coldness, cold-calling, and ass-kissing to get somewhere in Hollywood today than genuinne estrogen-bomb bee-yoo-ta-ful looks. Alphas picked the starlets in studio days, now they bully their way in.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 9:02 am Entitled Dos user

        Marilyn Monroe’s strategy was having sex with any joo who could advance her in her career. She eventually got one of the best contracts in history, and remarked then that it meant she would never have to suck cock again.

        I wouldn’t say “alphas” were necessarily involved, paying for sex being the definition of beta. It wasn’t so much the men who used her, it was rather she who used them.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 10:29 am Greg Eliot

        Her and so many others…

        Although for the record, I’d like a verifiable source on that “never have to suck cock again” remark. That doesn’t sound like her… leastwise, not coming right out and saying it.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 11:40 am scatmaster

        Agreed Greg. Not to come to her defense but I have read just about everything I can on her. Non-fiction, fiction, and outright gossip rag shit. I have yet to come across that quote and I have been the “young man in the twenty second row” since I attended a film fest showing her pictures a few years after her death.

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 12:37 am Entitled Dos user

        You can find it in the book The Last Mogul by Dennis McDougal. It’s a well-regarded work of non-fiction, and points out that the quotation is not generally well-known and wasn’t reported by the newspapers at the time. If you search “another cock again” within the book at Amazon, you’ll find it on page 210, although that page isn’t accessible (but you’ll see the quotation on the left and some context for it).

        I haven’t read that book myself, and don’t have a copy, so can’t tell you more than that. But a lot of people say a lot of stunning things that the media won’t report because it protects the interests of its lords.

        I’m not an expert on Monroe but I don’t see why she couldn’t have said that. It seems like the kind of thing a cynical and depressed woman might say at that point in her life.

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 5:45 pm Greg Eliot

        Apocryphal, at best, since it appears to be just his word about it… tough to imagine that, although not reported at the time, it wasn’t salted away for future trumpeted reference by the myriad of media vultures.

        Still, it’s a reference, so thanks for the link.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 7:09 pm Tartarus

      Post pics, your description is worthless.

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  15. on January 4, 2013 at 5:01 pm Erudite Knight

    Walking instead of talking.

    The better option in almost everything.

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  16. on January 4, 2013 at 5:06 pm GTTS

    KUATO IS MY WINGMAN.

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    • on January 7, 2013 at 12:17 pm Wrecked 'Em

      You clearly haven’t gone drinking with Elvis.

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  17. on January 4, 2013 at 5:45 pm avd

    In my personal experience, I find that concentrating my energy to my immediate environment (whoever I’m talking to at the moment) works the best. What happens is that occasionally I will give a glance to one or two girls in the room that interest me, but then I will return to the person in front of me (male or female) and continue with the intensity of my interaction with them (politics, economics, fucking chicks, pop culture, etc… just so long as it’s intense). What inevitably happens is that the girl I graced with a glance will come over and try to integrate herself into the intense exchange I’m having with the person in front of me. She closes the transaction for me, and within the hour we’re fucking.

    This might seem strange and contradictory to some, but break it down analytically. You’re in a social spot. EVERYONE is angling to expand their sociality by looking around the room for new social nodes to explore. When you’re the only one in the room who’s totally into your immediate experience, regardless of what other social interactions are taking place around you, you become the energetic focal point. All those others looking around for social opportunities get drawn to you as if you are a social black hole of gravity. So they come to you for the concentrated energy you are generating.

    This is actually my natural state, but after dozens of instances of females coming to me, I finally recognized it for what it is. I don’t know if it would work for all men. It works for me. It’s like expressing your love and passion for life in a social venue attracts people (females and males) who also want to feel that joie de vivre. After experiencing it enough times, it just becomes part of one’s reality, and just happens.

    And the really nice thing about it is that the females who are drawn in are on a similar vibrational level to oneself, as opposed to someone vibing at a completely different frequency than yourself. In other words, it brings women into one’s life that are energetically compatible from the get-go.

    Anyway, just sharing. Take from it what you want and leave the rest behind.

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  18. on January 4, 2013 at 5:48 pm Uncle Elmer

    Well-oiled dance moves obviate any of the stupid games one usually must employ to make contact with women. Dance with a thousand women and approaching new ones on the street or elsewhere is like falling off a log.

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  19. on January 4, 2013 at 5:52 pm whorefinder

    You know how I stop myself from looking at girls from across the room?

    …….

    Rappacinis Daughter, tell them

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  20. on January 4, 2013 at 6:14 pm Shawn

    I’m not as down on it, as long as it isn’t starring. This behavior evolved in men for a reason. If she won’t return eye contact chances are nearly certain she isn’t interested. This saves me from the blowout and maintains my value in other girls’ minds.

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  21. on January 4, 2013 at 6:31 pm logicwontgetmelaid

    I will attest to this. Didn’t look at this girl the whole night, except when she first walked in. Though I didn’t make the move that night, she mentioned to her friend (a friend of mine) that it was driving her crazy that I wasn’t looking at her. Ended up kiss\number closing her at another party later that month.

    Baby steps – the first one being stop beta behavior so that alpha has room to manifest!

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  22. on January 4, 2013 at 7:00 pm yousowould

    Used to do this so much. Attempt to elicit a prolonged glance from a girl, and if successful, then walk off in a self-congratulatory fashion thinking “Could have had her if I wanted”

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  23. on January 4, 2013 at 7:24 pm dannyfrom504

    what’s worked for me (and i’m not a great looking guy) is to make eye contact and to stick my tongue out at her like we were in grade school. if i get a laugh or smile, i approach and ask her name.

    from there i know i’m in the driver’s seat and game takes over. i look for IOI’s and i escalate. it’s too easy.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 8:48 pm Cream

      I hadn’t read this when I commented right below. You nail it, this is basically what I do except that I wave comically.

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    • on January 7, 2013 at 12:05 am Mr Pointyface

      …as long as you’re young or very early middle-age.. NOTHING is too easy after that, unless post Philippines flight.

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  24. on January 4, 2013 at 8:27 pm yaser

    So, what’s the best way to declare your dicklessness to your feminist and queer pedestal dwellers?

    This guy knows:

    http://tinyurl.com/be7ftat

    It would be awesome if somebody had payed him to consume it himself.

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    • on January 6, 2013 at 1:30 pm Jumbobeef

      WTF? how sick can this man be.

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  25. on January 4, 2013 at 8:41 pm yaser

    http://marriedmansexlife.com/2012/12/sexual-spanking-goes-mainstream/

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    • on January 5, 2013 at 1:48 pm Hugh G. Rection

      That guy is a fag, right?

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 3:39 pm yaser

        I have TV so i don’t know, but i guess he is supposed to be a ubernerd. I actually know such one in real life. Just as awkward and small, but straight. And really good at what he likes.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 10:01 pm cynthia

        The Big Bang Theory is blackface for geeks. That’s more the problem with the character. Nothing to do with his sexuality, one way or the other.

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  26. on January 4, 2013 at 8:47 pm Cream

    I don’t completely agree with this one: I’ve fucked a few girls who I have eye fucked from the distance to get them to notice me. Basically I clearly check them out, and wait for them to give me eye contact. When they do I kind of smirk and maintain eye contact.

    When she looks away I do too, and like 30 seconds later when she looks again, I catch her eye contact and maintain again. Then I can either wave or just walk over.

    I think that looking at girls from across the room is confident if done right. At least it works for me. Of course you can’t just do it continuously but done calibrated, it sends a powerful “alpha-to-hamster” missile.

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    • on January 5, 2013 at 4:50 pm Cledgy Cocoonery

      Body language.

      Glancing furtively, keeping your chin down, looking away when she faces you = beta.

      Gazing intently and calmly, your head cocked a bit, holding it for a second when she sees you = ballsy.

      If you do it right, sometimes she’ll slip away from her friends and move to a convenient place for you to approach.

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  27. on January 4, 2013 at 9:38 pm anon69

    Report from the Front
    Just back from Los Angeles and Las Vegas. I saw lots of hot women at different places, clubs, bars, casinos etc. I noticed one phenomena I thought I should report.

    Sometimes I would enter a room etc. and see a pretty woman w/ her date or husband etc. If she was wearing a short skirt or tight pants I’d look her over from toe to head and my glance would linger at her face.
    I noticed that several times the woman would catch my checking her out and even if her man was standing next to her she’d give me a half smile of acknowledgement.
    I thought it a little odd b/c if she caught me admiring her form right in front of her date, then why would she smile at me?
    (Of course I am a hot stud myself)

    I finally concluded the half-smile was her way of acknowledging that I was indeed appraising her, and the smile was her way of saying, “Thanks for looking.”
    Again the Chateau premise that pretty women are accustomed to approbation and they DELIGHT in it.

    Sooo, the lesson fellas is to stop giving them what they want!

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    • on January 5, 2013 at 12:54 am whorefinder

      If she’s out in Vegas or LA and dressed like that, she’s willing to sleep around on her man. Heck, anywhere dressed like that, she’d sleep around.

      The men are weak, because they don’t put their foot down and tell her to stop dressing like a hooker. Once she’s with them,, she should dress appropriately—sexy, but not revealing. There is a reason more religious communities go apeshit if a woman even shows her hair—they know that it shows her willing to show off for other men/not respecting her marriage
      And eye-flirting with another man? Forget it!

      Those women would have slept with you, man. Their men weren’t even strong enough to get angry at you for checking their woman out right in front of them, nd the woman flirting with you whilst supposedly with them. Once upon a not-too-long-ago time, staring at a man’s woman was a no-no, and any man who experienced it would immediately fight you. Now, being weak beta bitches, they duck their head and pretend not to see it.

      I don’t like sleeping with another man’s woman, but I make an exception when the man in question can’t even bother the self-respect to get angry/leave/fight when his woman dresses like a slut and flirts with other men.

      Bonus: those times I have fucked these women (even married ones—ESPECIALLY married ones), I can usually get them to say something derogatory about their man whilst we’re fucking. Because they don’t respect them–we already have the proof. Hearing “My husband is a limp dicked loser!” or “fuck me like he never can!” is music to my ears.

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      • on January 9, 2013 at 2:52 am NiteLily

        “There is a reason more religious communities go apeshit if a woman even shows her hair—they know that it shows her willing to show off for other men/not respecting her marriage”

        Right on! A woman’s hair is very sexy, as you all know. If you ever walk in the religious Jewish neighborhoods in NYC, you will see the women walk with hair covered. I once asked one of them why and this is exactly what she told me – ‘your hair is very sexy, only your husband should be allowed to see it. Also, it sends a signal to other men that you are taken so not to look at you like a sexual conquest and focus elsewhere on an available women. It keeps people from cheating with married women, which is a big sin (according to Judaism).’

        “And eye-flirting with another man? Forget it!”

        That’s a total no-no. It’s even worse than the dressing provocatively, which I can still accept. If a woman is truly beautiful and loves herself, she will dress for her man and take pride in looking great for him, but the eye-flirting with another man is a dead giveaway she is “open to ideas.” Probably her beta husband doesn’t know how to keep her in line or her mind focused only on him, so she wonders if there is anything better out there, or if she is missing out on something else being married. These women look around them, searching all the time with their eyes like men do. They also question their GFs about their relationships with their men, comparing notes. Basically, they are unhappy with their betas, yet if only he put his foot down and laid down the law, thing would be different.

        “Their men weren’t even strong enough to get angry at you for checking their woman out right in front of them”

        Those are usually liberal men who believe in egalitarian marriages. They don’t make the pussy get wet, if you know what I mean. That’s why she looks for a man like you to give her what she is missing, but being the liberal bitch she is, she doesn’t even know why she is the way she is. She thinks she is deviant, not that her liberal-type marriage is leaving much to be desired.

        “Hearing “My husband is a limp dicked loser!” or “fuck me like he never can!” is music to my ears.”

        LOL! You really are a whore finder, eh?

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  28. on January 4, 2013 at 10:35 pm Gil

    It would be simply argued flirty eyes are the womens’ tactic and if guys are doing then that proves they are low-T and thus won’t be worthy of her anyway. It also wonders how much behavoiur of loser B-O types is in fact engaging in effeminate behaviour (waiting for her to initiate everything, being weak and “nice”, etc) thus simply proving Alphas are simply high-T men and if B-O types are to get anyone other than butch, high-T women then they should see if they can legally acquire testosterone supplements from doctors.

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  29. on January 4, 2013 at 10:44 pm Just saying

    Hey, simply looking DOES NOT work because women don’t know what the hell it means. It could mean “I think you are attractive” or “You look like someone I know” or “Why is that chick dressed in such a stupid outfit” or “That chick reminds me of my sister” or “the chick behind this chick is attractive””why the hell am I looking at that chick” or “god that chick is ugly” or “why can’t people leave me alone to look where my eyes happen to rest”.

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    • on January 5, 2013 at 1:55 am Days of Broken Arrows

      Looking also doesn’t work because action turns women on, not inaction. This is something they don’t teach in school and I don’t see it much in the manosphere either. I keep saying this, but I’ll repeat it. Even though they tell us we’re “equal,” men built everything you now own or work with (or in). Women’s job, biologically speaking, is to give birth. Men’s is to build society. We get turned on by things we notice about them that relate to giving birth (hips, breasts) they get turned on by knowing how we’ll help build the world.

      As with any rules, there are exceptions. But my point is that having the balls to walk up to a women like you own the fucking room and deserve her time is half the battle. It’s a metaphor for why she’ll be attracted to you. Men who sit and stare are margin dwellers, not doers.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 12:10 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Perfect aphorism. Golf clap.

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  30. on January 5, 2013 at 12:00 am taylor

    Alpha? Or not alpha?

    http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhV1HmTf7q4SAW9MR4

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    • on January 5, 2013 at 12:14 pm Matthew King (King A)

      I’m most impressed by his parallel parking skills. Muy alpha.

      Ah, city life, how I miss it. Bellowing coons, crazy drunk cunts making a scene, barking dogs, car alarms, and tight parking spaces.

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    • on January 5, 2013 at 12:44 pm Anon

      That depends if the chick is a stunner or a dog.

      Besides, Niggers…

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  31. on January 5, 2013 at 1:17 am Johnycomelately

    The funny thing is forums like this have created an internal disapproval of most women, and the more discust and inattention I display the more attention I get.

    When I have the frame of ‘just leave me the fuck alone’ they literally won’t leave me the fuck alone, go figure.

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    • on January 5, 2013 at 1:14 pm Madvillain

      I’ve experienced the same thing since I’ve gradually changed my approach and overall demeanor the last few years, to a fun teasing dashed with condescension and a ‘take it or leave it’ attitude. It’s been said on this blog many times, a woman LOVES to be teased as if they’re a silly little girl, and CH is damn right about that. I have a blast teasing girls and I particularly enjoy giving them cute or sexy nicknames pertaining to their personality or things they do.

      It goes without saying that all this is predicated on some attraction being there in the first place.

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  32. on January 5, 2013 at 2:01 am Tartarus

    off topic: one more reason to be proud to be American:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_heaviest_people

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  33. on January 5, 2013 at 3:49 pm thwack

    Johnycomelately
    the more discust and inattention I display the more attention I get.
    —————————————————-

    But is it believable?

    Is it just an act?

    or do you know why you are disgusted?

    I know they set Patrice up with this woman as a way to test his code because she is smart enough to know not to agree with him even though his analysis is correct.

    Think about it?

    She knows her book doesn’t hafta be any damn good because as a hot woman, she has never had to be good at doing anything.

    This is what Patrice is pointing out and this is what she is fighting.

    (Discussion starts at 2:05:00)

    BTW– Patrice has a rating system that goes from 1 to 30; its probably more useful for guys that can get a lot of pussy. It goes like this:

    1- 10 = ugly girls

    10 – 20 = average girls

    20 – 30 = hot girls

    He rates this girl a “22” and she really didn’t challenge it.

    To her credit, she did go all 12 rounds with him; but that length just exposed the weakness of her argument.

    This woman is hot and a doctor, so you know she has never been taken apart and held to account for her vaginal BS,

    until now.

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    • on January 6, 2013 at 11:20 am yaser

      I could mistake the nigger for GBFM any day.

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    • on January 7, 2013 at 7:55 pm KMoto

      30 scale easily can setup backhanded compliments

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  34. on January 5, 2013 at 4:27 pm Anonymous

    Is the manosphere going to sit back and let the so-called “tea party” cave on VAWA again?

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/130104/vawa-violence-against-women-act-return-likely

    “Political conditions favorable for a return of VAWA”?

    That means we’re not applying any pressure at all.

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  35. on January 5, 2013 at 6:00 pm threealpha

    Interesting. I’m a deep Sigma (once I read the term, I finally had a label) who basically runs a room when i go in to it. 37, I live a mile from ASU campus, and hang out in Tempe.

    For me, my natural “fuck me/I own you” eyes and a non approach work better, because the entitlement is implied. It turns into me finding the highest value girl by just watching them all and setting them on themselves.

    If you don’t think the 8’s and 9’s watch me land on the 10 (or best available) you are insane. The 8/9 will fall all over herself to get to me, pull on my tie (I wear one for that reason) and start up a conversation. I give the 10 either a “save me” look, or I get really into it with the 8/9 and turn my back to the 10.

    This ends up 5/10 times with the 10 walking up behind, putting her chin on my shoulder, and making her presence know to the 8/9 i am talking to. Competitiveness and pecking order rules the world.

    I am a deep introvert (outgoing, INFJ) and unfortunately I rarely partake. I was married for 13 years in the TBRP, and I prefer high quality bonds. Drives the fe-males through the roof, further loading up the social proof.

    I think a lot of game is for the beta/gamma/omega and I say great, but for me, it put words and logic that I desperately needed around skills that came normally (2 Playmates 2009,2010). I still prefer LTR and pairbonding. Fucked up huh.

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  36. on January 5, 2013 at 6:29 pm ylam

    Witness the male hamster:
    “We need a startup to fix online dating”
    http://techbyproducts.com/we-need-a-startup-to-fix-online-dating/

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  37. on January 5, 2013 at 7:44 pm Anti-Blue Pill

    Jim Jefferies on foreplay LULZLULZ.

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  38. on January 5, 2013 at 7:53 pm 1220

    Good post. The funny thing is though, a lot of guys think they are somehow excessively heterosexual if they check out every single woman under 60 that walks into a room (usually in a very obvious way). You know what I mean: “Look dude! Did you see that! Look-look-look, dude, dude check this out, and her friend.” This is usually accompanied with a tap on your shoulder and then his pointing to the girl. If you feel awkward or silly about this then you get the affected puzzled look of “sorry if I like chicks dude.”

    This post brought back some funny memories.

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  39. on January 5, 2013 at 11:54 pm Arid Desert Nomad

    Hmm. Does it seem obvious to anyone else, that the combination of

    “WALK UP to pretty girls and speak to them.”

    and

    “Ignore her beauty.”

    are openly contradictory? It seems as though this practice of pickup requires a strong ability to act out contradictions with a straight face — “who are you gonna believe, me or your own lyin’ eyes?” — an ability that does not come at all naturally to much of the population.

    The concept of “frame” is central to PUAistry as explicated at CH. As I understand it, a “frame” is an unspoken description of reality, ideally a reality favorable to the framer; and that reality will be revealed and reinforced if everything the framer says and does is consistent/congruent with it.

    What shape of frame, then, can _simultaneously_ contain the two facts that, (1) a man is willing to spend at least some time and energy, and at some risk of rejection, to cross the room and talk to a woman, while yet (2) He’s essentially unmoved by her beauty, aka physical attractiveness? Answer this, comprehensibly, and the rest will fall into place, it seems to me.

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    • on January 6, 2013 at 12:35 am Entitled Dos user

      I think you’re taking it too literally. “Ignore her beauty” is supposed to help you avoid stuttering while talking to her. It’s also supposed to help you avoid making unattractive comments like “you are the most beautiful woman I have ever seen, or am ever likely to see. Will you give me a pity fuck?”

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  40. on January 6, 2013 at 1:09 am chris

    Hmmm

    http://evoandproud.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/first-sexual-transmissibility-and-then.html

    Does this mean if you fuck whores you will be infected with a bacterium that will make you love your own cuckoldry?

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    • on January 7, 2013 at 2:54 pm Anon

      That explains YaReally.

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  41. on January 6, 2013 at 6:53 am Scray

    Phew….Field Report time.

    I’m still stuck at this place of ‘I feel like they fucking hate me.’ I’ve learned, over the years, to trust my gut read of situations. So, it’s likely true that indeed, these chicks hate me ;D

    Friday:

    Nothing much going on, so we decide to go to someone’s birthday party at a pub. We go there, and the pub is packed. I notice immediately that this would be a great place to sarge.

    Warm Approach 1:
    Plain girls — two of them, one slightly better looking than the other (tall, gangly, nerdy) one, but I’m trying to get warm. So I approach, I kind of know one of them. I start by asking about our one thing in common — our grad program. She graduated already and is working in the field, so I just open up the conversation. I let her talk for a little bit before I interrupt and point out her jacket.

    “That’s a really cool jacket. With the scarf it kind of looks like something a western gunfighter would wear.”

    Clearly I’m not in good form tonight. She blinks a few times, but offers a tepid smile, then nods — but really, nothing. I try to steer the conversation in a few different, non-work/school directions, but I get shut down pretty fast.

    Then, her little black friend comes up (now there’s three). Now, seriously, this girl looks like a frog. But cool, I think, ‘I’ll be nice and fun.’ So I say ‘hey, do you go to grad school with us?’ She glances to me with a stone face, then gives a slow nod, like she’s looking at a homeless man. I could give a shit — she looks like a goddamned toad — so I introduce myself, and she gives her name in return — again, in the flattest way possible.

    Then, almost immediately, her and the original target start having inside conversations and stop paying attention to whatever I say. The tall, lanky one is too far away to talk with, so I’m just kind of left there. I attempt to interject with ‘man, must be some conversation, are you guys fighting?’ Then, the original target looks at me and is like ‘we’re talking about her wedding.’ And I blink, “Oh yeah? Which one…who’d she get married to?” Then she responds, in an almost shrill tone “Her fiance.” I make a mistake “Since he’s her husband now, and we’re talking about him in the present, do we say she married her husband, or is it still fiance?” She repeats herself. Mentally, I tell myself that I hate the sexual marketplace, it’s bullshit, yadda yadda yadda. I accept defeat soon enough and just eject.

    I talk with a few other friends for awhile, internally pissed off that even froggies act like they’re better than me. But, I just deal with it.

    As I’m talking with my friends, this one girl walks by. So, background info — on NYE I got blackout drunk, so the hours of 7-12 are a blank to me. Apparently during those hours, I drunk-texted/dialed her. So, when she sees me she’s like ‘hey did you text me? I couldn’t tell what you were texting!” And I’m not quite out of my funk, so I’m like “oh, I was just texting my undying love for you. It’s cool.” She nods, kinda grinning “Oh. Cool!”

    Internally I melt down, so when a friend asks if I want to go play some pool across the street, I accept. I play a game. During the game, I tell myself to get my ass back to the crowded pub and DO. SOMETHING. Just anything. I pump myself up — the plan’s simple, just to go there and tell three girls that I love them. Ha. That’s where I was.

    So, when I finally lose at pool and my other friend steps in to play, I leave them behind and set out on that mission.

    Approach anxiety totally killed me, and I cruised the bar for like ten minutes like a tool doing nothing. Then, I’m making way through a big crowd, and I bump into this one girl. She turns, and I’m like, ‘wow, I just fell in love with you. You believe in love at first sight — of course you do.’ The girl blinks, then she reaches out and grabs the ropes on my jacket (they tighten the hood), then neatly ties them. Before I can respond, the drunktext girl from before finds me, turning me around. FYI drunktext is significantly taller than me. She’s like “hey, you’re walking around here — are you lost? You look sort of confused, I’m concerned.” I blink a few times, then shake my head with a smile. “Plus, you’re like ‘yay high, so…'” Have nothing to respond with, I just stand there and blink. Then she laughs, tapping me on the shoulder, and says she’s just kidding. I just nod slowly and say nothing — I dunno, I didn’t have it in me. After a pause “all right, so yeah, see you later.” Then I turn around and leave.

    I run into another group of people, and a girl in that group says ‘hey, that’s a nice sweater,’ and I respond with ‘thanks, I really love you.’ But I don’t stop, I just keep moving through the crowd. And then that was it for Friday. Turrible.

    Saturday:

    A friend asks what i’m doing, and I say that after I’m done hanging out with everyone, I’m headed back down to that same pub to talk to girls. He’s like ‘alone?’ And I was like ‘yeah.’ He’s like ‘well….why not just go with a group, then leave them for awhile to talk to girls at odd intervals.’ We have a back and forth about this — anyway, his conclusion is that he thinks sarging alone is gay and a last resort for when you don’t have a group. He’s like ‘dude, you have friends — use them. That way you have somewhere to go back to after each group of people you talk to.’

    Now, I have another friend who recently broke up with his girlfriend who is all about going out and just talking to girls. Unlike a lot of the other people I know, he’s not particularly good-looking, is overweight (moreso than me — which is saying something, because my bodyfat is like 22 percent trololololol). So he’s like ‘yeah, groups can become crutches. I like to go out with like, one…maaaaybe two…guys, split up, wing when we can, and just spend two or three hours out. If you’re looking to get good, you need to get out there like four nights a week for awhile.’

    So, me and him hit the pub. We see a group of people we know — set of one guy, three girls. We move in — I notice something different about the way he interacts versus how I interact. Unfortunately, this interaction I can’t remember as well, but in general, it was/is hard for me to get anyone’s attention/enthusiasm. Whereas, he got into several sustained, fun interactions. It’s hard for me to figure out what I’m doing wrong, I’m standing up straight, trying to point my feet away, trying to speak from my diaphragm, and trying to maintain an open posture. I also notice that I don’t have that many interesting things to say, beyond stupid shit like ‘that’s an interesting scarf/jacket….it’s like a [insert random observation]”

    Next interaction, we go upstairs.
    Set 1:
    Three girls, HB 7, a 6, and like…a 4.5-5. I try to approach at an angle, feet pointing away, and I say

    “hey, can I ask you guys a question?”

    6 whips out a phone after the FIRST word I utter and stares at it, along with the 7 (guessing there’s some sort of text drama brewing). Only the uggo sort of responds with

    ‘meh, no, that’s weird…but it is -this- area of town so….’

    The uggo actually helps me by asking her friends whether I look like a drug dealer. The 6 can’t be bothered, because she’s on her phone, so I just say

    “Oh man, what’s going on there, eh?”

    Then the uggo is like

    “Oh, they’re fighting.”
    I widen my eyes

    ‘what?”

    The 7 glances up, having not heard all of what I said, but she’s like

    “Yes, it’s a -lover’s- quarrel.”

    I pick up the vibe that she’s trying to shoo me away, but I respond with

    “Between YOU two?”

    Indicating the 7 and 6. The 6 sort of rolls her eyes and is like

    “Uh. Yeah.”

    I respond “So, you guys are lesbians then?”

    The 7 goes with it — but man, is it grudging.

    “So how often do you guys just spontaneously make out?”

    The 7 is like “We don’t really do that in public.”

    And I’m like “Ohhhh…….who calls the shots? It’s seems like this one on the phone is more the badass, and you’re the prim proper one in the relationship. You’ve got the hoop earrings and the feathered hair.”

    She nods, and looks up to ask what I said about her hair — but the 6 is just. not. having. it. After another 20 seconds, everyone is just looking at the phone. Another defeat, and I move on.

    Set 2:

    Three more plain looking girls — not totally cold, because they’re people who are friends of friends. The one I address is like a 4, the one on my left is like a 6, the one on my right is like a 5, on her phone. So, anyway, I walk up

    “Hey, quick question before I get back to this group behind me…do I look like a drug dealer?”

    The 4 takes time with the question, and then, she asks about what’s on my neck. I’d forgotten to take off my bluetooth before going into the club. So she asks what it is.

    “It’s a time machine.”

    She blinks.

    “What?”

    “Yeah. I’m from the future.”

    I remembered that line from before, so I figured I’d give it another try tonight. She laughs, and I continue.

    “Yeah, I actually know what’s going to happen before it happens. For example, these two, on the left and right, are going to get into a huge ass fight in a few minutes.”

    The 6 turns to look at me, “really?”

    “Yeah…you guys are going to have words. When the time comes, just know that -she- stole -it-.”

    I say, indicating the 5. So, I riff for a few more seconds, then the 5 chimes in with.

    “Yeah, yeah, whatever shut the fuck up.”

    Again, internally I’m outraged that this is just how the world works. That people can just be complete assholes with impunity. If I would have retaliated in kind, I’m sure several whiteknights would have ridden to the rescue. But, I know I can’t just call her a stupid bitch, so I just settle with a laugh (prooooobably not that congruent sounding though)

    “See, that’s the kind of hostility I’m talking about…she’s gonna beat the shit out of you.”

    At this point the set pretty much falls apart — the 6 kinda shrugs, the 4, bless her heart and limited options, tries to stay with me. But at this point, I ain’t staying around for a goddamned 4, so I dip back into the larger group.

    So, interesting thing to note with that 5, when she retreated to another larger group of people and I retreated to my group of people…I saw her look at me several times. I mean, I’m pretty sure she was looking at me at least. In my mind I’m like ‘how can someone -hate- me so fast lol?”

    Anyway, later I chat up a guy who’s also on the outer orbit of this social circle. The 5 is standing to my left, back turned, and so I try to make my way past her to another people, and he’s like

    “naaah man, just grind up on it, yeaaaah…”

    And I laugh as I pass and I’m like

    “naaah dog, I can’t spill this drink.”

    She turns around to see me there again, then the guy and me and her get into a conversation. I forget exactly what he said, but her response was

    “Yeah, I’m going to break his fucking nose.”

    At this point, I’m like ‘fuck this bitch, she’s a cunt.’ So I just smirk again with a shrug

    “So if you were going to do it, how would you do it?”

    And she says something, but I can’t hear her.

    “What? Pegasus, unicorns? Nah those things don’t exist, you’re bad at this game!”

    Then I turn and start talking to another group composed of the 4 from earlier, a new girl who’s like a 4.5, a drunk uggo 3. I talk to them for a few minutes, the drunk uggo lets me know she has a boyfriend — no prompting. (Now I’m pissed off because I’m like ‘jesus fucking christ kill me now if these 3’s and 4’s are going to start being difficult.’ That’s completely new to me.)

    At this point, I turn around again — 5 is still standing there, talking to another friend of mine, a fat 4 (who is really nice and social and bought me a drink earlier……..and also seems to know goddamned everyone) and the fat 4 asks me how I’m doing, and I’m like ‘sheeeit, I’m great, I’m about to domestic violenced up in this motherfucker.’

    The 5 waves a hand at me and is like ‘he’s fucking drunk, whatever,’ and walks away. I wasn’t drunk at all, in any way. Like, I didn’t even finish the drink fat 4 bought me.

    Sets 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8:

    Me and my friend change venues. I’m kinda bummed and he’s like ‘nah, fuck that. It’s going take a long time to get good. Those sets are over.’ We get to the new venue, and he takes up a spot, leaning on the bar — he’s like ‘this is a great spot, lots of bitches have to walk by. Here’s where we’ll ply our trade.’ So, he’d just point out girls and I’d go open them.

    I start noticing a pattern. Most of these sets went like this: ‘Can I ask you a question, do I look like a drug dealer?’ Blah blah blah, then I make some lame-assed observation. Never generate attraction, it’s awkward, I’m awkward, shit peters out, I leave.

    Now, one set went okay I guess. Set 7. Two girls walking by, a 6 and a 7. The 6 slows down and actually takes time to answer the question, whereas the 7 is just on the way out.

    6: “A drug dealer…what? Uhhh noooo…”

    7 (in a hurry/impatient): Oh yeah, you look like a drug dealer, like brooklyn, yeaaah.

    Me (to the 6): “Yeah, someone actually asked me for weed.”
    I notice that she’s completely facing me with a grin.

    The 7 makes to leave
    Me: “So is she (the 7) the badass of the two of you? She’s got the leather jacket, she looks pretty hardcore.”
    6: “hahhaah well tonight she is, but sometimes I wear the leather jacket y’know…”
    The 7 is trying to wrap things up, then my friend walks in, jabbing an index finger at the 7.
    Friend: You ride motorcycles? Like them crotch rockets, eh leather jacket?!”
    Both of them turn to look at him, answering at the same time…something like ‘yesyes/oh yeah!’
    Friend: Yeah, really awesome, like Judas Priest and shit.
    7: Ha, but they’re gay!
    Me: And tough. Gay and tough.

    This continues for a few more seconds, and then the 6 is like ‘you guys are really funny!’ but 6 and 7 are leaving.

    My friend seems to be glancing around the room before they’ve even left.

    I’m pretty much done with the night — it’s been three and a half hours. I need a break. My friend is like ‘hey, watch your feet. I noticed that a lot of the time your feet were pointing at them.” Now, I’ve been trying to have my feet pointing away, but maybe I’m still doing it a lot.

    I watch my friend get some girl’s number. I actually watch her go from -cold- to lukewarm the longer he talked to her. I mean, the logistics of the whole situation were terrible for him, but whatevs.

    Anyways, that’s what I did in my double ‘wannabePUA’ life this weekend.
    I’m going to try to get out there every Weds, Thurs, Friday, Sat. Probably going to get out there late late on Friday/Sat, cause on Saturday I didn’t even go out until 11:30.

    So yeah…it sucks still. Me coming up with decent shit to say seems to be very very inconsistent.

    My friend says I just need to, after getting the feet thing down, just polish an opener, false time constraint, transition, and DHV story. So, this upcoming week, I hope to have all of that shit down, rather than just an opener.

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    • on January 8, 2013 at 10:30 am Anonymous

      The things you say to the girls are so beta, which is why you’re always getting shot down. Learn how to actually interest them with your words instead of being awkward and unfunny.

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      • on January 8, 2013 at 2:02 pm Scray

        “See,” he said to the blind man.

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    • on January 8, 2013 at 5:07 pm Naz

      I’m saving this comment to later read responses as it sounds interesting to me. I see what you’ve done as good progress because despite having no responses from the sets you were working, you sustained your efforts.
      One thing I would’ve done differently is probably alter the opening line since it wasn’t getting good feedback.
      I also perceive you feeling hate from some of these girls as a positive reaction. The reason I say this is because hate reaction is better than apathy!

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    • on January 9, 2013 at 8:20 pm YaReally

      Alright, let’s take this mofo down lol sorry for the delay. On a side note, when I first got into pickup I had a 9-5 job that I was pretty adept at and didn’t have overtime, so my weekly routine would basically be Sunday – Wednesday read pickup stuff (Field Reports by other PUAs, PUA archives (Fast Seduction died but you can find The Tyler Digest online still at least), Mystery Method, etc.) and then Thurs-Sat I would go out and try to apply a few of the concepts I read about. I’d write my Field Reports either right when I got home (while everything was fresh) or the next day or on Sunday.

      This setup would give me the first half of the week to replay the weekend in my head and get advice and do research etc. on the situations I ran into, and usually by Thursday I’d have some new things to take out into the field and try applying. Rinse and repeat.

      I did get into going out like 4-6 nights a week down the road, but that was after I had a solid understanding of the basics and just needed more time applying them…at the start I was just consuming mass amounts of information. I was reading this stuff on my phone in the shitter at work lol That’s why now I have an encyclopaedia of pickup information in my head.

      Also I wasn’t slaying pussy left and right, I had a ton of nights like the Friday you describe here. Hell, I would’ve WISHED for a night like your Friday…you actually TALKED to people. I shit you not, probably half the nights I went out I was going out solo and would spend like 9pm-2am wandering around just trying to work up the balls to do a SINGLE approach, and probably half of THOSE nights I wouldn’t even manage to open that one set and I would go home kicking myself feeling like a loser.

      So don’t feel bad. Some guys might ask me “Why the fuck did you do that? That’s crazy, think of all the time and energy you invested, you could’ve climbed a mountain or something manly instead and probably gotten laid” and ya, that’s probably true. But 1) I was drawn to the chess-game aspect of consciously gaining social dominance and found it fascinating that this was something I could become better at so any tiny little successes I had would keep me sucked in chasing the next little success, and 2) I banged a chick in the ass this weekend and almost 3-somed her with her chick-friend lol That time and energy was all worth it, years later. 🙂

      “I’ve learned, over the years, to trust my gut read of situations.”

      You’re good at reading the vibe, it comes through in your posts, so keep trusting that. It’s a skill that a lot of the really socially inept type guys don’t have or have to develop, so you’re starting with an advantage over them at least.

      “So, it’s likely true that indeed, these chicks hate me ;D”

      lol that won’t go away for a loooong time. Just remember, they don’t hate YOU, they hate how you’re presenting yourself to them. If you went up to your best friend and started punching him in the face every time you guys greeted eachother, he would start to hate you too…you’d be the same guy he liked before, except you’d be presenting yourself in a shittier way. Just a little mental frame to keep in mind and make the rejections/snubs easier lol
      “but I’m trying to get warm.”

      Good stuff. Approach anything at first. Warm sets, ugly sets, easy sets, dudes, people on the street, the convenience store guy when you go buy breath mints (you have minty fresh breath when you approach, right? lol you’d be surprised how many guys go up to girls with beer breath lol) etc.

      One of the things I used to do when I was heading out solo or heading to meet up with a buddy, is I’d go a few minutes early and on my way to the bar I would stop random sets on the street (anyone who looked like they weren’t in a shitty angry mood, ideally the happy party type people but anyone neutral is cool too) and ask if they knew where the bar I was heading to was. I knew where it was, obviously, but I’d just pretend it was my first time there and that my friend wants me to come out but SHE (DHV! Social proof!! lol) didn’t give me an address and isn’t responding on her phone. etc. etc. All I’d do is try to get vague directions to the bar (“keep going that way” is fine, I don’t really care about the details) and then ask what they think of the bar (“is it full of drunk chicks who are gonna throw up on my shoe? lol”), and if the vibe is good I’d ask them where they’re heading and which place is better.

      I didn’t even try to number close or anything, I’d just say thanks and if the vibe was decent I’d joke that maybe we’ll stumble into eachother drunk later (if the vibe is bad, that sounds stalkerish lol) and head on my way. Often all that would happen is they’d give me some vague directions and then keep walking, but that’s fine. The whole point was just to warm up. If I did 2 or 3 of those, and then chat with the convenience store guy, etc. by the time I’d hit the bar I’d already have a couple reference experiences of “you won’t die if you talk to strangers” which helps shut the anxiety in your brain down a bit.

      The only thing to remember with these warm-up sets is to pick sets that can escape you lol Like if you ride the bus and you chat up whoever’s beside you, if it goes shitty, you’re both stuck there and it’s awkward and that’ll fuck with your night instead of help it. But if it’s someone you’re passing on the street as they’re walking the opposite way, hey, they can just walk off, no biggie. It’s like Style says, the biggest fear most people have when strangers approach is “How long is this guy going to be here?” That’s why we drop in a False Time Constraint like “Hey, I gotta head to this bar, I’m running late to meet my friend, but I don’t know where it is…Help me out will ya?”, so they know “oh, okay, this person won’t follow me around all night”.

      Sometimes guy-friends will see you chat randoms and be like “dude why are you talking to a fatty, you can get better girls that that man, why do you want to fuck a fatty?” or like “why are you talking to those dudes?? Do you know them? That’s weird man” and you have to just mention “lol it’s all good, I’m just getting talkative, I’ve been staring at a computer screen all day (or whatever your job is).”

      “I let her talk for a little bit before I interrupt and point out her jacket. “That’s a really cool jacket. With the scarf it kind of looks like something a western gunfighter would wear.””

      This really isn’t bad. You’re just rattling off what’s on your mind, it’s a good thing. The problem is:

      “She blinks a few times, but offers a tepid smile, then nods — but really, nothing.”

      …often people don’t know what to do in an unexpected/unusual situation. 🙂 Believe it or not, a lot of the people you’ll meet out and about are actually a little socially awkward, especially early in the night when they’re sober and they’ve been staring at a computer screen all day too.

      Alexander from RSD talks about making a “Statement of Empathy” at 2:35 in this video:

      I say a lot of pretty “in your face” outlandish shit to people I’ve just met so a lot of time people don’t know how to process what I’m saying/doing. It SEEMS like they’re unimpressed with me, but what’s really going on is they just don’t know how to react because it’s something out of the blue. Everyone knows how to react when someone asks about the grad program, everyone talks about that, that’s easy, you can do that on auto-pilot. But western gunfighter jacket? wtf? Thanks?? This guy is WEIRD…

      Alex talks about using “I know you think I’m crazy lol I just came from blahblah and–” and you kind of normalize the weirdness of the situation by acknowledging it. Thinking on it, I actually have two versions that I use. One is when I KNOW I’m sounding retarded (had a Redbull so I’m wired, or just my game is terrible that night and I just know I sound like an idiot lol) I’ll say “Sorry, I’m drunk and wired on Redbulls and I say inappropriate things, don’t listen to anything I say lol” which usually makes them laugh in relief that I’m aware of how insane I am and then try to resume a normal conversation. But if I know THEY’RE the retarded ones (the hot bitchy girls who are just acting like I’m an idiot because it’s part of their shit-test screening, or the normal girls who are just socially inept at that particular moment), and what I’m saying is gold/normal and there’s no reason for them to be reacting weird to it, I’ll say (with a BIG OL’ CHEEKY GRIN, not in a mean way) “It’s okay, that was a compliment, this is where you say “Thank-you for complimenting my jacket, YaReally, you’re so observant and charming!”. 😀 You’re not hammered right now, are you? 😀 Are you going to throw up on my shoe? 😀 lol”

      I would use the latter on your jacket girl. You really didn’t say anything weird there, she was the one being awkward.

      One of my super short buddies who can take over a room of strangers easily has a bunch of these because he’s so short (5’2″) but so out-going and makes dirty jokes and innuendo and shit, that people don’t know how to process what he’s saying because it’s like “wtf, is this really happening?” Often what’ll happen is some hot chick will make a flirty comment or dirty joke or something to someone in the group and then he’ll come back with something WAY over the top that’s even dirtier (and funnier lol) and she’ll look at him aghast like he’s a monster and he’ll go “Oh, what, THAT was too much? You’re sitting there talking about shaving your cooter and I’M the inappropriate asshole here? lol” and her and the group will crack up and often you can tell her attraction spikes toward him. But see how he’s coming from the frame of “what I’m doing is normal and fine, YOU’RE the one acting weird.” He has a really strong frame 24/7 which is one of the reasons he gets laid.

      The problem right now is that your frame isn’t very strong, so you’re looking at her to define “is what I’m doing weird?” So she blinks and kind of semi-nods, and you’re like “ah fuck, that was weird of me to say, ugh, lemme try to salvage this by changing the conversation around…” Compare that to your other Field Report where you stormed out onto the patio going “Who the FUCK is out here?” or whatever, where you weren’t looking at all to anyone else to define if that was strange or not.

      Don’t stress this too much, this happens at the start of the night a lot when you’re out of state…once you get into state (get chatty/flirty with people and start feeling awesome/invincible), you internally define what’s normal/weird and your frame is strong and other people fall into it.

      “I try to steer the conversation in a few different, non-work/school directions, but I get shut down pretty fast.”

      All good lol one of the solid things about you is that you don’t prematurely eject which is a problem a lot of new guys have. They go “omg it didn’t go flawless, she’s shooting me down, I’m out of here!!” and run away, when really it was just like, she didn’t know how to respond or he read into something too much or she wasn’t offended enough that he couldn’t turn it around still, etc. and they bail to avoid feeling any awkwardness.

      It’s good that you stick in, it teaches you to handle social pressure. Like getting up to do a speech at Toastmasters where you’re learning to have tons of people watching you as you speak…it’s scary as balls, but the more you do it the more you get used to the pressure and the less it freaks you out in the future, which is a big part of confidence. 🙂

      This is why when guys go mountain climbing and shit, ya, you’re a badass alpha and that’s great…but when you get to the bar, can you deal with the social pressure of approaching a hot girl? Because that’s a different kind of pressure that you didn’t learn to deal with when you were climbing that mountain. Often the answer is that no, they can’t, even though logically the Keyboard Jockey theorists think “wtf he climbed a MOUNTAIN, it’s just some girl in a bar, he’d have no problem”. In action, often (like 90%+ of the time) those guys are still chicken-shit with women.

      Contrast that to PUAs who will do shit like approach mixed sets of guys/girls, or couples on a date, or people in situations that are seemingly impossible or awkward like through the window of a restaraunt etc. Those guys are learning to handle the social pressure of “everyone is watching and judging me right now but I’m going to ignore it and stay the course and not let that sway me from attempting to achieve this goal”. 🙂

      Roosh had a post on his site slagging RSD this week and I shit all over the Manosphere in my response because I think a lot of the Manosphere guys only approach girls that are easy sets and run away from any kind of challenge whatsoever, and as a result they don’t know how to deal with any kind of setback, so a guy like Roosh comes to a North American city like Toronto and all the girls seem like bitches and all the guys seem like jerks and it’s a horrible experience because he hasn’t built up that skillset of handling non-optimal approaches.

      Same time, some of the overly-enthusiastic RSD style guys can take it a little far and get themselves thrown out of bars and malls and shit, so you have to use some common sense and social calibration lol

      “So I say ‘hey, do you go to grad school with us?’ She glances to me with a stone face, then gives a slow nod, like she’s looking at a homeless man.”

      Odds are what happened here was that either your Gunfighter girl or her friend “girl coded” to the Frog “help us!!” and she came over to just fuck shit up with you. Proooooobably it was after your jacket comment where the vibe went to shit because it sounds like it was alright from there. Also it sounds like they didn’t know when/if you were going to leave, so for all they know you’re the guy who’s going to try to hang with their group all night long if they don’t get rid of you…this is again where the False Time Constraint comes in, or leaving on a high note (get her to laugh and then go “I gotta’ go take a piss, have a good night!”), etc.

      For girls especially, it’s a very real problem that if they’re friendly to a guy they aren’t attracted to, he’ll end up thinking he has a shot and follow them around all night and they get stuck with him. Imagine if that Frog was like “Hi, my name is Frog!!!” and got all up in your space and followed you around all night while you’re trying to approach hotties. You’d be like “fuuuuck go awayyyyy” lol

      “Then, almost immediately, her and the original target start having inside conversations and stop paying attention to whatever I say.”

      It’s all good, this is part of why I figure she thought she was saving them. The irony is that if you had met Frog under different circumstances, she might be the nicest girl in the fucking UNIVERSE to you, but in that scenario she thought she was Batman swooping in to save her friends from you. This kind of thing happens in bars a lot because everyone assumes a guy talking to a girl is trying to fuck her, so a lot of people are over-protective, thus the mother hens and cockblock friends and AMOG guys and shit that leap out of the shadows all the time.

      Another way to handle these situations is to diffuse them by Disqualifying yourself (ie – imply that you’re not trying to fuck their friend). Acknowledge the situ (Statement of Empathy), then Disqualify yourself, so I use stuff like “lol don’t worry, I’m not hitting on your friend. I just recognized her from class and my buddy went to the pisser so we’re just shooting the shit. 🙂 So are you in her grad class too?” or if it’s someone you don’t know and who isn’t in your social circles or anything I’ll use “lol don’t worry, I’m not hitting on your friend, I have a girlfriend. My buddy went to the pisser and I’m bored so I’m just shooting the shit. 🙂 So how do you two know eachother?”

      One important thing to note there is that I’m transitioning after I say that stuff. So I Empathize, Disqualify, then instead of waiting for her to respond (because what’s she gonna’ say “oh sorry I was a bitch there”? lol), I just act like everything must obviously be smoothed over now so let’s talk like normal people. Like 90% of the time they’ll warm up to me after that because they realize I’m not a threat. It doesn’t mean I’m going to fuck their friend or anything, but it at least helps keep the set from getting awkward and I can leave it on the next high note and tell them to have a fun night instead of:

      “Mentally, I tell myself that I hate the sexual marketplace, it’s bullshit, yadda yadda yadda. I accept defeat soon enough and just eject.”

      …the feels of which I know all too well. 🙂

      This is why I say at this point you’re learning more the ins and outs of social interactions, VS tearing down pussy left and right. You’re learning to handle these kinds of things so that down the road you’re handling them on instinct (the way I do now, even though I had to consciously figure this stuff out like you are back when I started) and you can go “oh, whoops, awkwardness, okay fixed it, now back to seducing this girl” and it’s just a little road-bump in your sarge instead of a brick wall.

      Pickup is more about doing a million little things right instead of a couple big ones.

      For the wedding talk, see how if you view it from their frame of “this guy is trying to fuck my friend, and he’s going to follow us around all night and we really don’t want him to so I’m going to go in and save my friend from him and make him go away so that we know he isn’t going to lurk around us all night”, this:

      “I attempt to interject with ‘man, must be some conversation, are you guys fighting?’ Then, the original target looks at me and is like ‘we’re talking about her wedding.’ And I blink, “Oh yeah? Which one…who’d she get married to?” Then she responds, in an almost shrill tone “Her fiance.” I make a mistake “Since he’s her husband now, and we’re talking about him in the present, do we say she married her husband, or is it still fiance?””

      …is like a fucking nightmare to them? 😀 Like you’re doing GOOD at keeping the conversation going by asking questions and taking an interest and shit, but they’re viewing your actions through a really tainted lens at this point. If they were viewing you through the lens of “omg my friend totally wants to fuck this guy, she thinks he’s so amazing, and she hopes he never leaves the conversation they’re having and I’m going to go in and help her fuck him”, the EXACT SAME SHIT that you said would have gone over AMAZING and they’d have LOVED you.

      It wasn’t what you were saying there, it was that they were viewing you through a shitty lens because you weren’t able to diffuse that lens and replace it with a better one. 🙂 Again I’m not saying you could turn it around and fuck Gunfighter chick, but it was probably possible to at least steer the interaction into a vibe where you’re just a normal guy shooting the shit and go on your way with nobody feeling negative feelings about you and with you still in a decent mood instead of hating the bullshit that you just went through.

      “I talk with a few other friends for awhile, internally pissed off that even froggies act like they’re better than me. But, I just deal with it.”

      lol if it’s any consolation, they still often hate me even though I’m good with girls now. David Deangelo had a funny bit where he says the only girls he can’t pickup are the fat ugly ones, because if he says ANYTHING to them they’re like “You just want to fuck me!! Too bad I have a boyfriend!!” and he’s like wtf bitch lol

      “so I’m like “oh, I was just texting my undying love for you. It’s cool.””

      Good stuff. I like that by default you drop into the undying love and sarcastic romance stuff. It seems to be something that’s funny to you, and there’s a LOT of good roleplay/teasing in that that you’ll get into down the road (breaking up with them, making up again, etc. when there was no actual relationship, they love that teasing shit when your vibe is solid).

      “Internally I melt down, so when a friend asks if I want to go play some pool across the street, I accept.”

      Good. Get the fuck outta’ there, it helps. When I started out, the city I was in had a lot of bars/pubs/clubs on one street, so I would bar-hop to different places if I felt like my vibe was going to shit. Each new environment you walk into is a new chance to “reset” your state and try again…it’s hard to pull out of a nose-dive once the negative thought loops of “everyone can tell I’m lame, fuck it’s so obvious, I’ve been standing here alone for an hour, god I look like such a loser” etc. if you don’t jolt your senses out of it.

      Now I’m in a city where it’s difficult to bar-hop (cover charges, distances, etc.) so I’ll go out to the patio or to the other end or floor of the club, etc. for a bit if I need to, but it was a lot easier to bar-hop. The bar-hopping was also why going out solo was alright, because I didn’t have to explain to anyone where I was going or say any good-byes, I could just walk out and head to the next place. And in each place I could just spend like 20 min in each bar trying to open a few sets pretending I was on my way to meet up with friends at another bar, so I didn’t have as much social pressure.

      I would actually walk into a lot of places and scan them quick to see if there were girls to sarge or a good spot for me to post up or anyone in there or if the environment seemed friendly or if the music was too loud etc. and if it wasn’t looking decent I would literally just go to the pisser and take a leak, then walk right back out the door and go to the next place lol No one pays attention, no one cares.

      “I pump myself up — the plan’s simple, just to go there and tell three girls that I love them. Ha. That’s where I was.”

      lol frustration and rage at yourself will fuel a lot of what you do as you get further into pickup. It’s all good, whatever gets you going. 🙂

      “Approach anxiety totally killed me, and I cruised the bar for like ten minutes like a tool doing nothing.”

      All good, happens to all of us, even years into the game. I still have nights like that. Here’s a great Tyler video on it where he shows himself being a tool full of approach anxiety and how he pushes through it:

      It’s really fucking hard to do lol I still have the occasional solo night where I’ll go home without approaching a single set and kick myself while I’m in bed thinking about all the easy sets I totally could have opened but I’m such a pussy blah blah blah. Cold-approach is effin hard. 🙂

      “She turns, and I’m like, ‘wow, I just fell in love with you. You believe in love at first sight — of course you do.’”

      This is solid in terms of words/construction (the “of course you do” is a good “assume attraction” bit).

      “The girl blinks, then she reaches out and grabs the ropes on my jacket (they tighten the hood), then neatly ties them.”

      lol Would you say this girl was drunk, weird, or tooling you? Do you remember what kind of vibe you got from her? I bring this up because there’s a consistent pattern forming here that I’ll explain later in this comment after a few more interactions.

      “the drunktext girl from before finds me, turning me around.”

      Indicator of Interest.

      “She’s like “hey, you’re walking around here — are you lost?”

      She’s noticed and has been paying attention to you, another ioi. Lots of fun roleplaying/teasing you can do with this “Are you stalking me?” “Have you been watching me? If you’re in love with me, you can just come out and say it you know.” etc. etc.

      “You look sort of confused, I’m concerned.””

      Shit-test. She’s giving you a chance to flirt/tease back.

      “I blink a few times, then shake my head with a smile.”

      Not horrible, but missing an opportunity to convey your personality and roleplay/tease into a fun interaction. No big deal, you were out of state at this point after walking around feeling like a tool for 10 min etc. I’ve dropped the ball a zillion times where I’m just out of it and a girl lobs me a nice slow pitch over the plate and my brain doesn’t react with anything solid.

      On the plus side, by saying nothing you’re not actively fucking it UP, so that’s good lol

      ““Plus, you’re like ‘yay high, so…’””

      Another shit-test. She’s trying to get into a teasing back-and-forth fun vibe with you so she’s lobbing another one at you hoping you’ll swing.

      “Have nothing to respond with, I just stand there and blink.”

      lol. Again this is at least better than saying/doing something retarded.

      “Then she laughs, tapping me on the shoulder, and says she’s just kidding.”

      She can’t tell if you’re offended or not because you aren’t reacting either positively or negatively, so she’s apologizing just incase because she was probably expecting you to play along and be fun.

      You could probably bang that chick in the right circumstances, but you’d have some work to do and you’d probably have to get into some good back-and-forth banter/roleplaying with her to do it. Which is probably easy for you if you’re in state feeling good, so maybe another night!

      Note the funny part of all this: You did to her what Gunfighter chick did to you when you mentioned her jacket…stared, blinked, smiled, and made her feel awkward lol Note that the reason you did it wasn’t that you think she’s creepy or ugly, it’s that you were just not expecting that situation and weren’t in the right mood to play back.

      “and a girl in that group says ‘hey, that’s a nice sweater,’ and I respond with ‘thanks, I really love you.’”

      All good. That’s an ioi and you could stay and flirt with her, but you already know that.

      “his conclusion is that he thinks sarging alone is gay and a last resort for when you don’t have a group. He’s like ‘dude, you have friends — use them. That way you have somewhere to go back to after each group of people you talk to.’”

      He’s not incorrect. As long as your friends are cool with you vanishing and shit and they don’t try to get you so shit-faced you can’t approach coherently and they don’t tell you “dude don’t talk to girls like that, you’re being creepy” etc., it’s great.

      Even when I go solo, the first thing I do is establish a “home base” by making friends with an easy set (doesn’t matter who they are or what they look like). Just a group (big or small) that I can go back to in-between sets and such.

      “I have another friend who recently broke up with his girlfriend who is all about going out and just talking to girls.”

      I like this guy lol Go out with him when you can…from the rest of your report, this is a guy that you can make good progress with. He’s not so good-looking that you’ll chalk up any of his success to “well he’s good-looking” or get shunned by girls for him. And he’s out there TO TALK TO GIRLS, which is the main thing. And it sounds like he has a good positive upbeat attitude about rejection etc.

      “Unlike a lot of the other people I know, he’s not particularly good-looking, is overweight”

      Long as he’s out-going and charismatic, that stuff won’t really matter…as you found out. 🙂

      “I notice something different about the way he interacts versus how I interact. Unfortunately, this interaction I can’t remember as well, but in general, it was/is hard for me to get anyone’s attention/enthusiasm. Whereas, he got into several sustained, fun interactions.”

      Good, pay attention and observe him in action. I’ve learned a lot from watching and running sets with buddies who are good with chicks and comparing what they do to what I do.

      Got some suggestions for where you’re going wrong coming up.

      “I also notice that I don’t have that many interesting things to say, beyond stupid shit like ‘that’s an interesting scarf/jacket….it’s like a [insert random observation]””

      This is a good thing to do in general…I think the problem you’re running into is that you’re waiting for the girl to contribute something to the interaction after you say that kind of thing, but you haven’t passed the Hook Point yet (where they go from “when will this guy leave?” to “I hope this guy never leaves!”) so the girls don’t want to contribute yet. Your buddy sounds like he’s passing the Hook Point with the group, thus he’s getting sustained interactoins and attention/enthusiasm.

      Essentially you’re both on skateboards kicking the ground to get moving but you stop kicking and stand on your board too soon so you lose your momentum while he gives a few more kicks and makes it to a downward hill and sails along.

      “I pick up the vibe that she’s trying to shoo me away”

      Possibly just bad timing on your part with these 3, with their phone drama going on. Chalk it up to just a blah set. Nothing to really learn from this one.

      ““Hey, quick question before I get back to this group behind me…do I look like a drug dealer?””

      Solid opener (doubt any girls watch Keys to the VIP), and you remembered the False Time Constraint.

      ““It’s a time machine.””

      lol

      ““Yeah, I actually know what’s going to happen before it happens. For example, these two, on the left and right, are going to get into a huge ass fight in a few minutes.”

      The 6 turns to look at me, “really?”

      “Yeah…you guys are going to have words. When the time comes, just know that -she- stole -it-.”

      I say, indicating the 5.”

      This is REALLY solid stuff you’re pulling out of your ass here. Great roleplaying and just self-amusing. Creating little conspiracies and all that…this is great.

      “then the 5 chimes in with. “Yeah, yeah, whatever shut the fuck up.””

      lol 5 can sense the 4 is into you and 5 thinks she’s hotter than the 4, so now it’s time to shit-test you and eff your shit up.

      “Again, internally I’m outraged that this is just how the world works. That people can just be complete assholes with impunity.”

      lol ya, get used to that shit. If it’s any consolation, as you get better and a stronger frame, people are less dick-ish to you. It still happens now and then but you start putting out the vibe of “This isn’t a guy to be rude to, he’s a cool guy I should be friendly with”.

      Also some people are just shitty people…especially chicks at the bar who know there’s ZERO reprocussions for them being an asshole.

      “But, I know I can’t just call her a stupid bitch”

      Think of it this way: Your goal in a situation like that isn’t to necessarily fuck her, or anyone in her group, or to “get even” with her (calling her a stupid bitch), it’s just to see if you can turn the set around into a positive one regardless of how retarded she is. Like a test to see which is stronger, your determination to enjoy yourself, or her determination to be a dick-head lol

      ““See, that’s the kind of hostility I’m talking about…she’s gonna beat the shit out of you.””

      This is good, this was a solid way to handle it. The 4 probably likes you for not being phased by her bitchy friend, and the 5 will probably want to shit-test you more because you’re unphased (remember before how I said girls will start with weak jabs and if you remain unphased they’ll start bringing out heavier tests)…the irony is the 5 is probably a bit attracted/curious at this point because of how you handled that. She doesn’t necessarily want to fuck your brains out, but you’re on her radar as “investigate and test this one more”.

      “the 4, bless her heart and limited options”

      lol’ed at this.

      “interesting thing to note with that 5, when she retreated to another larger group of people and I retreated to my group of people…I saw her look at me several times.”

      You’re on her radar, but you haven’t blown her away or anything. She’s just trying to figure out your deal now. I would actually guess that she’s the type that isn’t attracted to guys who react to her bullshit, so she tests guys by being a complete bitch and threatening violence etc. and if a guy reacts, she just riles him up and causes drama, but if a guy doesn’t react, she’s attracted to that. You didn’t react, but she doesn’t know enough about you to know if that’s congruent or not.

      “In my mind I’m like ‘how can someone -hate- me so fast lol?””

      You hate the ones you love. 🙂

      “I chat up a guy who’s also on the outer orbit of this social circle.”

      Good stuff, keep making friends and being social.

      “The 5 is standing to my left, back turned”

      This probably isn’t an accident. Girls will stand near you but face away from you, hoping you’ll open them. A girl like this, when she turned around, I would call her out like “YOU again. (to the guy) This girl is so mean to me. She threatened to kill me earlier lol” and tease her about it, cold-read that she’s probably read 50 Shades of Grey and would slap you around in bed, etc. etc. and now you’re talking about fucking.

      ““Yeah, I’m going to break his fucking nose.””

      lol This is just her testing you some more. You didn’t react to “shut the fuck up”, so now she’s escalating it to see if you’ll react to that. A girl like this will often shit-test you allllll the way to the bedroom. Usually this type is a good feisty lay, but you have to balance whether it’s worth all that work lol

      ““What? Pegasus, unicorns? Nah those things don’t exist, you’re bad at this game!””

      lol This is good. When I’m bored in a set I like to misinterpret things in fucked up ways and then make fun of them for saying what I’m misinterpreted them as saying. It’s frustrating to them in a funny way.

      “the drunk uggo lets me know she has a boyfriend — no prompting.”

      lol. Just overcompensating for her ugliness. Plus they probably know by that point that you’re looking to fuck something that night.

      Honestly, you would probably enjoy your night more by approaching hotter girls. Like the ones that you figure you wouldn’t have a shot with. At least if you’re getting shot down by hotties, it’s not so frustrating. 🙂

      Note that at this point your state/vibe is COMPLETELY different from that other Field Report where you were dominating everything.

      “5 is still standing there, talking to another friend of mine”

      Again probably not a fluke.

      “‘sheeeit, I’m great, I’m about to domestic violenced up in this motherfucker.’”

      lol this isn’t bad, but it IS reacting to the 5.

      “The 5 waves a hand at me and is like ‘he’s fucking drunk, whatever,’”

      She’s just fucking with you here. Probably has a history of abusive boyfriends, but goads them into abusing her because she likes the emotional rollercoaster of it all, Rhianna style.

      Could you fuck that 5? It’s possible…without being there to see what her voice tone was like and all that, it’s hard to say, but I’ve had sets where a girl is that much of a bitch to me (I actually LIKE bitchy obnoxious loud girls, personally lol) and staying solid through it passes her tests and we hook up. But again it’s a case of “is the reward worth putting up with all the punishment?” For me, that kind of attitude isn’t frustrating or annoying at all, I think it’s funny because I interpret it as flirting and just playing hard to get and testing me, so it doesn’t affect me at all for a girl to say that kind of stuff to me. But for you right now, it’s annoying as fuck, so it’s probably not worth your time/energy to bother with her.

      Something to think back on in your head is, when she was looking over at you from that other group, in-between the head-to-head sparring you guys were doing, was she glancing over at you with an interested expression, a neutral expression, or anger/hatred? If it was neutral or interested, she was probably actually attracted (or curious about whether she should be attracted)…vs an actual full angry/hate staring daggers at you which is more like she just legitimately hates you for something. Often you’ll find that even though she’s a bitch to you face-to-face, there are sub-communications going on where she’s giving away that she doesn’t ACTUALLY legitimately “hate” you.

      Anyway, enough on her lol

      “I’m kinda bummed and he’s like ‘nah, fuck that. It’s going take a long time to get good. Those sets are over.’”

      Solid attitude. Again I like this guy. Try to let yourself get sucked into his positivity and spit it back at him. When my buddies and I go out, all we talk about is how awesome we are and how we’re the shit etc. even if it’s totally retarded. “Fuck I look good tonight, look at this badass hair, it’s fucking PERFECT!” and we’ll compliment eachother and shit. It’s just good for staying in a positive mood.

      “So, he’d just point out girls and I’d go open them.”

      Good stuff, play some games together. Point out girls for eachother to open, give eachother silly shit to open girls with, bet a drink on who can get slapped first, give him $100 and have him give you $20 back for each approach, give the other guy 30 seconds to approach or he gets a punch in the arm, etc.

      “I start noticing a pattern. Most of these sets went like this: ‘Can I ask you a question, do I look like a drug dealer?’ Blah blah blah, then I make some lame-assed observation. Never generate attraction, it’s awkward, I’m awkward, shit peters out, I leave.”

      Right, I think you’re just waiting for the girls to contribute to the interaction before you’ve reached the Hook Point. I think the 90-10 rule will help you:

      “Keep in mind Juggler’s 90-10 rule. That is, you must be prepared to provide 90 percent of the conversation at the beginning of an interaction with a woman until she is warmed up. If you go in and give 50%, expecting she will give 50% – like most conversations in the non-PU world, you will be disappointed. She will give only 10%. That adds up to 60%. Not enough and the conversation will stall and collapse. So be big enough for the both of you and then taper back as she gets warmed up.”

      Here’s a super young Tyler 2hr audio thing:

      [audio src="http://www.realsocialdynamics.com/realsocialdynamics.com_audio.mp3" /]

      At 94:30 he talks about the 90-10 rule.

      At 89:30 he talks about “illusionary input”, where you’re helping the girl contribute in a really easy lobbing-a-softball way.

      Also from the Tyler Digest:

      “Do not try to touch/kino/stoke/caress/sneezeon a girl who is locking up. She is locking up because you haven’t conveyed enough value, and you are trying toget her to be contributive to the conversation when her autopilot response isto lockup so you won’t keep talking to her. It happens to everyone from timeto time.You cannot try for rapport with a girl who you’ve not conveyed high enoughvalue to yet. If you have value going in, then you can. But otherwise you just keep plowing her with neutral rapport and illusionary input, until sheunlocks. The key here is neutral rapport with illusionary input. It is asecret PUA trick that allows you to put her on pause while you convey enoughvalue to get her to be willing to be contributive.”

      From Page 258:

      “Conversational ratios are indicative of social value. Withstructured/stacked game, we use NEUTRAL and BREAKINGrapport, in order to retain value over the girl despite that we are theones doing most of the talking (most of her talking in this case willbe done by applying ILLUSIONARY INPUT, as opposed to heractually struggling to think of something to contribute to keep theconvo going).”

      You might also find some useful stuff starting on the lower half of Page 259 where he talks about turning around girls that hate him or angry sets in general. He provides a structure breakdown for it after his example. Could be useful for ya.

      Anyway, so Illusionary Input is similar to a “Yes, Ladder” in sales, where you ask the person tiny quick questions that they contribute little quick responses to without having to think. They get used to contributing, but they don’t have to think at all. It’s a way of buying some time to convey your personality/value while still interacting (VS just telling her a story or making a stand-alone observation).

      So “That’s a cool jacket, you look like a Western gunfighter.” becomes “That’s a cool jacket. Have you ever seen those old Western movies? Like with Clint Eastwood and shit. (ya) You know when that mysterious stranger rolls into town smoking a cigar with a 6-shooter strapped to his belt? (ya) That jacket totally reminds me of that shit. (lol) You aren’t carrying a 6-shooter under it are you? (lol no) ‘Cause then I’m gonna have to make sure I stay on your good side. (lol) Let me guess, you’re the bad girl of the group that’s always starting bar fights. (lol noooo lol)”

      etc. etc. Basically you’re just stretching shit out and dropping in a bunch of easy spots for her to respond without thinking, so you can convey your personality, and pass that Hook Point where you can go from 90-10 to 60-40, and then eventually 50-50 or even 20-80 etc. depending on the attraction.

      This is why your buddy says “I just need to, after getting the feet thing down, just polish an opener, false time constraint, transition, and DHV story.” You’re basically doing an Opener, occasionally forgetting the FTC, and then you don’t transition into anything or DHV, and instead you wait for the girl to transition things for you or take the lead or respond to you in a way that helps you.

      “6: “hahhaah well tonight she is, but sometimes I wear the leather jacket y’know…””

      6 wants to fuck you.

      “The 7 is trying to wrap things up, then my friend walks in, jabbing an index finger at the 7.”

      Solid wingman here. He knows the 7’s attention is gone and he has to snap it back into place. An old-school PUA move was to snap your fingers and go “HEY. Show’s over here! (then turn to her friends) Man, is she always like this? lol”

      “Both of them turn to look at him, answering at the same time…something like ‘yesyes/oh yeah!’”

      6 wants to booooooone lol

      “and then the 6 is like ‘you guys are really funny!’ but 6 and 7 are leaving.”

      6 wants to booooone. 🙂 Bad timing/logistics but you could probably plow for the 6s number. It wouldn’t be super solid but you might be able to pull off a 2am “hey you still out? let’s grab a drink for last call” rendezvous because she’s looking for sex.

      “My friend seems to be glancing around the room before they’ve even left.”

      lol He can probably tell the logistics were too fucked to keep going.

      “My friend is like ‘hey, watch your feet. I noticed that a lot of the time your feet were pointing at them.””

      Try not to take his advice too personal, though it doesn’t sound like you did, but incase he throws some more tips your way. It helps him out to have a buddy who’s awesome, so he’s not going to try to tool you or anything, any tips he’s offering you are to help you become awesome too so that you’re two awesome guys and girls are like “wow we want to fuck both of you” instead of “this guy is awesome but ugh I’ll have to fuck the other one” lol

      VS an AMOG who’s just trying to fuck with you and keep you in your place below him, you know? Your friend probably has good intentions and it sounds like he has a decent amount of experience so he’s going to notice little things that you don’t because you have a lot of stuff running through your head as you get a grasp on all this.

      “Now, I’ve been trying to have my feet pointing away, but maybe I’m still doing it a lot.”

      Check your leaning in and pecking too, like where you lean way in to hear them, and stand in front of them like you’re an Entertainer Man trying to keep their attention. I have a short buddy who has this problem, from the outside it looks like he’s a dancing Hobbit in front of the girls putting on a tap-dance show for them lol I think it’s harder to snuff this out when you’re short because it’s legitimately harder to hear the girls and shit, but it’s important to work on if you’re doing it. 🙂

      (not sure if you’re doing it, but usually facing them and pecking go hand-in-hand with most guys. It took me a loooong time to stop pecking)

      “I actually watch her go from -cold- to lukewarm the longer he talked to her.”

      You’ll be able to do this in time. Check that Tyler bit about turning an interaction around that I linked up above in the Tyler Digest for an example of it. A lot of times you can warm a chick up simply by keeping your cool and acting normal and natural and expecting her to warm up, and just sticking in there…over time she falls into your frame of “we’re going to have a pleasant conversation here” and she’ll start to warm up.

      “I’m going to try to get out there every Weds, Thurs, Friday, Sat.”

      Good stuff! Keep it up!

      “Me coming up with decent shit to say seems to be very very inconsistent.”

      That’s ’cause you’re mostly winging it. There’s no shame in making up a couple routines or practicing telling a DHV story or two. You’ll find Naturals tell the same stories over and over if you hang around them while they interact with different people. And right now you don’t have a ton of experience making shit up or have many interesting stories to tell, so it can help to have a little foot-hold planned.

      You’re doing something like:

      1) Approach
      2) Opener
      3) Cold-read
      4) …waiting for her to contribute……..
      5) Fail

      lol VS something like:

      1) Approach
      2) Opener
      3) Tease her about her answer
      4) Cold-read
      5) Transition to DHV story
      6) Qualify her based on your story topic
      7) Tease her for her answer (Push)
      8) Just kidding, I love you (Pull)
      9) Qualify her (but wait, can you–)
      10) DHV story
      11) Qualify her (at first I wasn’t sure about you, but now…)
      12) Push for #-close
      etc.

      Like, you’re just using 10% of the arsenal available to you right now, and that 10% is pretty make-shift right now. Which is totally fine, you’re new and this takes time to build up. But just so you get an idea of what a difference it makes to have some cold-reads, stories, qualfying questions, etc. up your sleeve.

      Hope some of this helps. Any questions, feel free to ask. You’re on the right track, there’s a lot to take in right now. 🙂 You have some good natural instincts that come thru when you’re feeling in state so you’re not a hopeless case at all. Head out again this weekend and throw up another Field Report! Good luck!

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      • on January 9, 2013 at 10:02 pm Naz

        Here is a grand difference i noticed between yareally’s analysis and that of many other’s I know; he enforces the idea that this which appears negative is in fact a positive. That mentality -whether warranted by the actuality of the situation or not -is sufficient to manifest itself into a reality.

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      • on January 9, 2013 at 11:37 pm YaReally

        lol in the field actually sarging, EVERYTHING is positive to me, even if its delusional to think so, because that mindset helps the sarges that night.

        But in analysis afterward or analyzing other people’s reports, it’s 100% honesty because lying/exaggerating doesn’t help the person learn. In Scray’s case I’m also making sure to highlight positives where he may gloss over them or not realize there are positives to take from a situation because as a new guy he’s got a lot of negative thought loops that will make him pass over the little positives of the night and convince him he isn’t making any progress or has no chance at improving and can convince him to give up “I’m just not good at this” style when that’s really not the case when you know what to look for.

        This comes from the old-school days where bootcamps realized in the field wasn’t the time to critique guys cause it would just paralyze them, and the tradition of the “end of the night debrief” in a McDonald’s or whatever began where they’d review the night for each guy and offer the advice/critique there.

        ***I’m not saying you’re implying that I’m bullshitting him lol***

        I just want to make this distinction clear for the haters who DO think that, and think PUAs are delusional “sure she called the cops but that just means I could’ve banged her” types lol. We’re only that way IN the field. 😉 We shut it off when it comes to analysis.

        Scray says the right things but mainly when he’s in state, and his state is fleeting and easily fucked with right now, which is why I narrow his current sticking points down mainly to internally learning to keep his frame and deal with people fucking with it (so he’s in that good groove more often), and having some pre-made shit that he can fall back on when he’s out of state to try to help him get a foot-hold on it and claw his way into state.

        But ya, I 100% stand by anything I wrote. If I say I think he could’ve banged a girl or she secretly wanted him despite it logically seeming like she doesn’t, I mean that. Blowing smoke up his ass won’t help him, and I generally haven’t found that focusing on negatives (“you were a pussy dude, quit being a pussy, be a badass like me”) helps a guy either (unfortunately a lot of guys want to have a dick-measuring contest and just put other guys down instead of helping).

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  42. on January 6, 2013 at 8:48 am Days of Broken Arrows

    Excuse the off-topic comment, but HUGE news for the manosphere. The movie “The Last American Virgin” can be watched online. It’s been out of print for years.

    This movie is the ULTIMATE red pill movie every guy needs to take. Don’t read the plot outline in advance. Just watch it — and you have to watch it to the end. This starts out as an ’80s teen romp, but then takes a hairpin turn.

    This movie should be required viewing for all teenage boys. If I put in a link, I’ll get caught up in moderation, but to find it, Google (with no quotes): last american virgin videobash

    And remember watch it till the last scene, closing credits included.

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    • on January 7, 2013 at 7:54 pm KMoto

      Nice find. I like how you can differentiate the body languages of each friend and how it plays out in the movie.

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  43. on January 6, 2013 at 5:14 pm aspic

    Dont even care about this blog anymore.

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  44. on January 6, 2013 at 7:53 pm AlphaBeta

    Replace online dating with game and I think it still works http://m.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/a-million-first-dates/309195/

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  45. on January 6, 2013 at 7:55 pm Kate

    More off topic news: Mark your calendars! Nick Savoy, President and Program Leader of Love Systems, will be on the Today show February 5th!!! How’s that for mainstream 🙂

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  46. on January 6, 2013 at 8:44 pm Scray

    Ah, man….typed out a long field report. Hope it gets approved soon.

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  47. on January 6, 2013 at 11:00 pm shiva1008

    Approaching women is a Demonstration of Lower Value. It basically says, “I know you wouldn’t give a shit about me otherwise, so I’m going to have to force you to pay attention to me.” Keep at it chumps.

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  48. on January 7, 2013 at 6:26 am Don’t Look Back

    […] posted a short and sweet piece “Stop Looking At Girls From Across The Room“. It gives good advice on getting rid of the needy behavior of frequently checking out […]

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  49. on January 7, 2013 at 7:17 am AAB

    ‘One thing I see men do all the time is glance up from whatever they are doing to look at cute chicks across the room’

    You could apply this principle to other objects as well (aminate or inanimate objects). If you are looking at everything that moves around in your peripheral vision all of the time, then you are allowing other things to determine where you look (and thus what you do). Allowing other things (be they cars, birds, hot chicks or whatever) to determine where your eyes go is feminine. Men determine themselves, where they go, what they do and what they think; women are determined by other things and people.

    If you find yourself constantly distracted, constantly looking at every little thing that goes by, then you are tending towards the feminine. If you want to be more masculine, then focus on something, determine your own movements. ‘Control or be controlled’, as that famous Italian once wrote.

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    • on January 7, 2013 at 11:55 am threealpha

      Agree if your glances are furtive and jerky. That is why with enough “uptime” practice you can grab much larger chunks of the visual window. Start at the edges and work in. This forces you into the moment, and eventually even subtleties like a racing carotid pulse can be seen easily.

      Calibration requires input. Input requires observation, but the zebra at the watering hole has his head on a swivel, while the lion knows who is behind him because he just came that way, and is taking in the whole seen.

      Gotta engage your bipedal, upright eyes-forward tool making savage more.

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  50. on January 7, 2013 at 11:33 am Jack

    Only check out their ass. Fixed.

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  51. on January 7, 2013 at 10:42 pm Powerful Nonverbal Openers « PUA Central

    […] this post, we discussed the problem of men forfeiting a big chunk their sexual market currency by repeatedly […]

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  52. on January 22, 2013 at 6:12 am More good stuff ripped off from around the manosphere « Random Xpat Rantings

    […] My tip: insist on full economical control. Nothing less. If she wants to be your only source of nara, demand to be her only source of yamo. […]

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