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Women Dabbling In False Identities

January 4, 2013 by CH

It seems the domains of vice that were once predominantly the purview of shady men have found purchase among women. A reader writes:

I have encountered a few chicks (very smart ones!) who enjoy using fake identities to make friends with men on the Internet and manipulating the information they provide. (I mean actually lying about themselves, revealing false information rather than simply declining to share true information.)  I’ve gotten good at smoking them out and leading them into inconsistencies. They never admit lying even though they’re caught dead to rights, and they often try to turn the tables by claiming to be offended at the lack of trust I show by doubting them, before running out of lame excuses and disappearing in embarrassment.

Sometimes, though, there is a genuine spark, which is unfortunate because even if under other circumstances a real relationship could happen, I won’t tolerate sock puppets and they won’t admit to behaving badly. What’s the best way to get these girls to fess up rather than run away?

(A “partners in crime” attitude is one possibility, getting her to tell about her other fake identities and helping her make them more effective, but although that appeared to work great for me once, it backfired because it made me take longer to realize she had told me a completely different set of lies, so I’d rather encourage truthfulness.)

What advantages do women accrue from crafting false identities over the internet?

1. Fat chicks can enjoy, for a spell, the attentions of high value men by posing as slender babes. Upside: An hour of ASCII attention beats zero hours of real world attention. Downside: There will be no real-life consummation, unless the fattie is psychotically blind to her revolting condition.

2. Thrill-seeking and attention-whoring chicks enjoy an exhilarating rush from the deception. Sometimes a lie is fun for the sake of it. Duping people is a power trip. As anyone who has dated a lot of sexy sirens will tell you, girls LOVE LOVE LOVE to role play. But, unfortunately for them, most men are not very interested in role playing, (real life for the average man offers enough drama as is). So what’s a girl to do? Well, she’ll take the initiative and fire up a game of one-sided role playing. Upside: More fun than talking about the weather. Downside: She’ll tend to attract lunatics who wear dresses made out of skin.

3. Daddy’s Little Abandoned Princesses Syndrome. D-LAPS girls are drawn to the idea of “starting over” with new identities because it is a psychological balm which helps suppress bitter memories of daddy’s unfathomable sayonara (often prompted by mommy’s equally unfathomable surprize divorce paper filings). These girls make a great lay because they use sex to extirpate their suppressed rage; just don’t expect them to always act in their own best interest.

4. Femme Fatales. Ah, the manipulative woman (but I repeat myself). These are the most dangerous breed of female; they lie less to assuage their egos than to separate the swooning man from his money. Or time. Or sanity. You scoff at the notion that any woman would be able to lie you out of your resources, but it happens all the time. To pick one example of the genre, there are plenty of stories of beta males scammed out of thousands of dollars by hot Russians they met online who were probably computer generated algorithms by some hack face deep in a bottle of wuuudka.

Update

Forgot an obvious group!

5. Married women with ovulatory cheatin’ in their hearts, trying to keep it on the down-low. It’s imperative that you identify these women, because you don’t want to deal with the blowback from banging a married woman with an ex-con hubby just released on parole.

If women are embracing the traditional vices of men in greater numbers than ever before, then I take that as evidence that modern Western culture exerts a masculinizing influence on its women, (whether that is genetic, environmental, or both, I leave as an exercise for the reader). When the sexual and psychological polarity of men and women reverses, you can be sure the end of high civilization is near.

So what to do about this blossoming window into the female id? The reader asks:

“What’s the best way to get these girls to fess up rather than run away?”

His suggestion of a “partner in crime” strategy is fine if you want to get to sex quickly with no long-term consideration. Liars are just like trustworthy people in one respect; both want to be with honest people. Letting a woman know you are as much of a liar as her is not the stuff that beeyootiful romances are made of.

Another option, if you’re really interested in brazenly lying women as girlfriend material (and I would have to ask why you would be?) is the non-judgmental rapport building strategy. This is accomplished not by accosting the woman about her lies, but by sympathizing with her motivation for lying.

“You know, I feel you. I get it. It’s exciting to create a new identity and just run with it, and see what it’s like to live like a different person for a little while, to live like someone you secretly wanted to be ever since you were little.”

This empathy ploy will be more effective at coaxing her to open up about her lies, and from there you can dig at the truth. The key is non-judgmentalism and connection; players like to call this an “our world” routine, which draws the woman closer to you by erecting a false antagonism between you and her together against the rest of the world. In the end, though, women who love creating false identities for the purposes of gratifying themselves at the expense of trusting beta males are best left alone, hopefully never to breed so that their kind can be expeditiously cleansed from the gene pool. Luckily, condoms allow you to get your fuck on with them *and* clear your conscience of any anxiety that you may have sired a bastard sociopath in the act. Just don’t let her throw them away for you.  Keep your eyes on the used rubber, and see the disposal process through from start to finish. (Not kidding about this last part. I could tell you stories.)

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  1. on January 4, 2013 at 2:17 pm Jack

    A woman playing with a false identity online is either:

    (a) fat/ugly

    or

    (b) targetting a specific alpha male who spurned her.

    Hot chicks don’t have the need to seek attention with a false identity en masse in the digital world. Their T&A gets attention just fine on its own.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 4:38 pm Jack

      or

      (c) A man who is either a post-op homo like RD or “ewhoring” for bucks (look it up).

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 9:56 am Zombie Shane

        a post-op homo like RD

        Rappaccini’s Daughter?

        Get the fuck outta here.

        I am so damned naive.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 8:33 pm Rights4Men

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    • on January 7, 2013 at 12:25 pm Wrecked 'Em

      Au contraire… I have seen the achingly hottest of the hot chicks do this.

      Why? Because they have no control over their need for attention. Same reason alcoholics drink.

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      • on January 9, 2013 at 1:25 am Anonymous

        True that.

        I’ve known hot chicks in real life — and then run across their online profiles with various lies and misstatements. I’ve eventually teased out the truth from them: they enjoy the attention and, in their cases, have zero interest in actually dating from the online wooers.

        In both cases, they were infatuated with alpha males in their real-life social circles who were only granting them occasional dick or largely ignoring them.

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  2. on January 4, 2013 at 2:21 pm Dr. Zoidberg

    I fell for this ploy back in the old days when I was a beta manboob who actually trusted women. It’s amazing what you will ignore, overlook or rationalize away when a broad with a pretty face says the right things. I’m still not sure what she was after… attention, the thrill of manipulation, hiding her fatness (a deep google search has made this the prime candidate), etc.

    I’ve considered trying a ploy or ruse to get an admission of guilt and some reasoning, but I’ve come to realize that admitting guilt and reasoning are two traits women don’t possess. It’s like trying to figure out why Charles Manson is crazy by asking Charles Manson. You can’t trust the results.

    The good news is that the “relationship” with that crazy bitch led to me finding and learning game so now I’m in control and know how to smoke the crazy skanks out ahead of time. (It also helped that the entire time I was dealing with internet psycho, I was still banging my fall back booty calls.)

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 2:27 pm Kate

      That’s how I ended up finding game too.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 3:35 pm Hugh G. Rection

      The basic premise of every good deception: Making people want to believe.

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    • on January 9, 2013 at 1:29 am Anonymous

      Trying to get a truthful admission from a woman who’s hiding, escaping, or cutting off from real life? Ha, good luck with that.

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  3. on January 4, 2013 at 2:22 pm Revo Luzione

    A good buddy of mine, who is a very charismatic natural who’s also studied game extensively, met a hot, slightly crazy woman online for some kinky adventures last summer. She gave him a fake name, which he suspected from the get-go, but he didn’t care as she was down for some wild adventures–sex in public places, anal sex, kinky role playing… They had a very kinky run of several weeks of daytime boffing at her (very upscale) place, which he suspected she shared with a man due to some masculine touches around the place. Then she cut off contact without explanation.

    He ran into her about a month later at a social engagement with her fiance of 2 years! Turns out they were friends of friends. The mutual friend “introduced” her to my buddy. He played along, shook her hand, held it for longer than was comfortable for her, while repeating her real name, slowly, several times, staring her dead in the eye while saying in an over-exaggerated tone “_______, it is SO nice to meet you!” with a shit-eating grin. Then we was introduced to her fiance, a wealthy, but shlubly beta. He didn’t blow her cover or rat her out, but instead bought her fiance a drink, basking in the glow that he had rawdogged her senseless in every orifice just a few weeks before. The fact that her fiance and her erstwhile lover were drinking together caused her massive, visible anxiety and fidgeting, but he admitted nothing and heard no more about it later.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 6:33 pm Days of Broken Arrows

      Great story! Reminds me of the woman I met ten years ago on Yahoo Messenger who had sexual fantasies so vile they could shame men. I recently came into contact with her on Facebook and she’s married, has a kid and goes to church. She didn’t acknowledge my comment on a thread.

      I’ve yet to mention her threesomes and butt dildos, but I may do so in the future.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 10:15 am Zombie Shane

        she’s married, has a kid and goes to church… I’ve yet to mention her threesomes and butt dildos, but I may do so in the future.

        Dude – PLEASE tell me you were joking.

        You are not a PUH – a Pick-Up Hack.

        You are not a PUG – a Pick-Up Grifter.

        You are not a PUB – a Pick-Up Blackmailer.

        You are not a PUE – a Pick-Up Extortionist.

        You are a PUA – a Pick-Up ARTIST.

        A Gentleman NEVER kisses and tells.

        If you were serious [which, again, I hope you weren’t], then you’re talking about destroying peoples’ lives here, to include the life of a little child who is completely innocent in all of this.

        There are standards which need to be upheld here.

        Respect the artistry, dude.

        Be loyal to the craft.

        Serve a Higher Purpose.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 11:28 am Greg Eliot

        And don’t shoplift the pootie.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 5:20 pm Julia

        ITA. Why punish her for expressing sexual fantasies 10 years ago? She wasn’t even married then, if I read your post correctly. Doing that would make you very lame.

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  4. on January 4, 2013 at 2:25 pm Kate

    When you think about it, only a very sad and unhappy individual looking for escape would feel the need to make up an alternative identity. If you think this sort of person would be interesting to figure out (afterall, mystery is attractive to both genders) researching pathological liars will scare you straight.

    I wish I had an actual source for this, but a friend months ago told me a story of a man who fell in love with a Russian woman online and was planing to go there only to find out “she” was a computer program 😦 Worse than a false identity would be discovering that what you thought was a person isn’t even human.

    And speaking of Russian online brides, I once came across a court document of a divorce of an American man vs. his Russian bride two years after the marriage. He was claiming some sort of fraud (a medical condition, it appeared- my mail order bride doesn’t work!!!) and she claimed excessive cruelty. Because of the contract that had been made between them, she was entitled to the money he had promised her prior to her coming to the U.S. Not only that, but he had to continue supporting her two sons even after adulthood! BEWARE THE MAIL ORDER BRIDE!

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 2:30 pm Falconer

      “only a very sad and unhappy individual looking for escape would feel the need to make up an alternative identity”

      But why not make an alternative identity? If you’re sad and unhappy then you don’t really have anything to lose. Might as well become someone else.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 2:43 pm Kate

        Just change your life and be that person you want to be, then; don’t lie about it. I’m all for metamorphasis, but deception is different.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 2:51 pm Whitehall

        False identities can be a lot of fun! I loved it when my last GF would meet me at the door with the Terri Garr accent from “Young Frankenstein” or do dress-up with the French maid outfit. Yummy!

        Discretion is necessary for online dating. Meet online then meet in person. If your new person checks out OK, then and only then share the real you. Goes double for married men and women.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 3:47 pm Hugh G. Rection

      And I’m pretty sure that Russian woman in your first story had a cousin or brother or something who regularly picked up payments for her from her supporting beta boy abroad who she couldn’t meet due to scheduling conflicts 😉

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 4:24 pm Tyrone

      It’s more a question of how you go about things. Mail Order Brides are a misnomer anyway. It’s no different than meeting a woman online if done right, only she’s far away. The best approach is to find an agency, tell them you’re coming, maybe book a room or flat through them, and let them handle the appointments until you find some women you are interested in, then ditch the agency and date as you would here. Use the agency as a first step if you need that and try to make some local friends, etc, or meet girls cold as you would here.

      Men with no game or extreme naivite about women will get smoked there just as here. I’ve also observed men I considered to have personality disorders seeking women over there, but most were pretty normal guys and more successful than average. From what my wife tells me about her Russian Fiancee forum, most regular posters there are good women and give the entitlement queens and nutjobs a hard time. Almost none of them talk about divorce at all and never lightly. A good FSU woman will have an attitude like Kate, White woman, or Nite Lilly about men and romance. They see marriage as a partnership, not a government job. My wife is not a MOB but I started out that way and met her through a local female friend I had cultivated there after a couple of years of going over. My wife has two sisters and a best friend who she’d like to find husbands for.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:40 pm Kate

        Its good to hear that most of them are not like the example I provided. He just got sucker punched and I found it sickening.

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      • on January 9, 2013 at 1:33 am Anonymous

        Or just spend a little time learning game and reading Roosh’s guides on picking up women in that country.

        Avoid the middleman agency, the brokerage fees, con artists, men impersonating women in responses to you, and IMBRA regulations!

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 5:46 pm YaReally

      “Worse than a false identity would be discovering that what you thought was a person isn’t even human.”

      Fuckin Dr. Sbaitso…

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  5. on January 4, 2013 at 2:42 pm AD

    Anyone feel like pissing on the moron Schwyzer again..

    http://jezebel.com/5972788/no-one-is-entitled-to-sex-why-we-should-mock-the-nice-guys-of-okcupid

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 3:02 pm Kate

      That is a site that puts up men’s profiles to be ridiculed? How revolting. Most people write horrible profiles. So what. Most people write lame emails. So what. I was talking with a woman last night who complained that men are poor communicators. I advised her to write to every single man who emailed her because sometimes men need a little help getting the conversation going. Whether it leads to anything or not, it gives a person practice.

      People have ridiculous ideas of what online courtship should be. Unless you live far away, online is just the meeting place, and, from there, it should be taken into real life. In real life, a man is not going to approach a woman and talk for five minutes about his life, hobbies, and goals and then have the woman do the same. He’s just going to walk up and say hi and perhaps form a complete sentence:) So why does being online change the expectation of how people should approach each other?

      I took a new tack on this latest online bout. Nice pictures, very little additional information that did not pertain to my appearance. I did include my political persuasionand level of education, but not my job or my income. My headline was: “Would you help me find the ladies room, please?” The body was “Oh, thanks so much! I’m not stupid or anything, but I have been known to get lost in my own hometown:) Its nice to know in this topsy-turvy world, there are still people who are kind and generous.”

      Most successful profile yet. It implies I’m a lady (let’s not debate that please:)). It implies that the man has helped me with something I needed, and is being thanked for that setting the frame that I am to be respected and that I’m appreciative.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 3:06 pm White Woman

        That is cute and creative!

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 3:10 pm Kate

        I try 🙂 The funny thing was I really had writer’s block when I got to filling in that info. and that’s just what came out. The best part is that the feedback I got from it was that it was “mildly amusing,” so I was able to check off “amused mastery” on my alpha checklist!

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:00 pm Hugh G. Rection

        And aside from the pictures probably superfluous.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:32 pm Kate

        I’ve never used my picture on a searchable dating site before, so I’ve generally relied on words.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 5:44 pm JironGhrad

        You’re missing out, to a certain extent. In my time dating online (met the girl I’m seeing now on OkCupid, in fact), I always skipped over the profiles without any pictures.

        Perhaps that’s shallow from a woman’s point of view, but the reality is that I, as a man, don’t connect with text and I’ve done enough online dating since the 90s to know that while a picture isn’t certain to be accurate, it’s going to be a lot closer than seeing: “Height, 5’6″. Weight, 125 (before I binged after breaking up with my last boyfriend).”

        I’d be interested in hearing more about the quality of responses you’ve received with that approach.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 6:10 pm Kate

        I don’t think its shallow. Although there is something to winning someone over in writing and then having them be pleasantly surprised you look alright. Its like a man with money being appreciated for his personality, I guess. I wasn’t always okay with how visual men are though; I’ve learned to enjoy it.

        I guess my wording was unclear, but I did use my picture this time and got a lot more notice. Two responses that were ultimately quality out of this round. When I didn’t use my picture in the past, people were generally suspicious about why I didn’t have one and there was far less interest.

        I’ve met people other ways where neither of us knew what the other looked like. And sometimes they knew what I looked like and I didn’t know what they looked like. Its a crap shoot, but probably the best is to have the picture so you’re getting guys who are definitely attracted to you for your looks.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 12:26 am JironGhrad

        I definitely think it’s more important from a guy’s point of view. While I am not going to say that women aren’t thrilled with seeing what a guy looks like, I do know that looks-preferences are a lot more diverse among women and a picture-less profile is a lot more damning for a woman than a man.

        Something else worth noting (again from my perspective), is that while honesty is obviously created a certain amusement from the peanut gallery on OkCupid, a woman being honest about exactly what she wants (thinks she wants, really) is more likely to find the sort of man you’re looking for.

        My young lady is nine years younger than I am, and had read too much 50 Shades nonsense. I opened her with the opinion that Christian Grey was a poser, a sadist and that the books were the most poorly written swill to ever see the press more than once. I went on to say that if she actually wanted to experience the submissive side of things then she’d have to agree to certain rules. I have her well-trained now and that’s all I need to say about that.

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 12:31 pm Wrecked 'Em

        Tip: the picture you use here is slightly axe-murderery, so don’t use that one.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 3:51 pm Hugh G. Rection

        On the RooshV forum there is the internet hamster thread, basically the same done to women. And there is a hilarious thread on a bodybuilding forum where a guy named “Rohan Rildil” goes on a big game hunt.

        The thing is, these dating sites are filled to the brim with betas and undesirables of both sexes. I wonder how Jizzabellers would respond to “Fatties of OKCupid” or “Dating site entitled Cunt of the Week”. If this becomes something of a thing or meme these dating sites might have to take pretty drastic actions to protect their bottom line.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 7:03 pm Days of Broken Arrows

        This very blog actually originated the idea of publicly mocking personals. I submitted one to Heartiste March 12 of last year by a woman whose ranting was so over-the-top I felt it warranted some commentary.

        After running the post, he modified it a bit, and now it looks like it was deleted from the archives — probably out of sympathy for the author. I expect the shrews at Jezebel will not show as much mercy on the men they’re shaming.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 7:04 pm Days of Broken Arrows

        I just wrote up a comment explain how this blog originated the concept of mocking personals. The comment disappeared and I don’t feel like writing it again, so you’ll just have to take my word.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 1:51 pm Hugh G. Rection

        It usually shows up some time after. I’ll pretend I read it.

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 6:38 pm ADAM

        lmaooooo fatties of okcupid someone please make this site

        I bet 80% of those land whales have “curvy in all the right places” in their profiles.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:23 pm Anon

        AD asked for pissing on Schwyzer, not on the keyboard.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:34 pm Kate

        Excuse me.

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  6. on January 4, 2013 at 2:51 pm White Woman

    #5 here! I’ll make a fake identity so I can flirt with Greg Eliot.

    (That Russian bride thing is really funny lol)

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 3:50 pm Maya

      You already have a fake identity here. Women like you don’t exist. I hope so … But everything is possible in U.S.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 5:25 pm White Woman

        I’m actually Neecy… I just used some skin lightening cream.

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 5:31 pm Greg Eliot

        Not AGAIN!!! Geez, that was how I fathered my first thwack. :sigh:

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      • on January 5, 2013 at 5:12 am Maya

        you’re actually a troll …

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 4:56 pm Greg Eliot

      My secret to a rewarding relationship is to let the other person be who they truly are…

      and then pretend they’re someone else.

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  7. on January 4, 2013 at 2:52 pm Winston

    “When the sexual and psychological polarity of men and women reverses, you can be sure the end of high civilization is near.”

    You forgot to mention physical too…

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  8. on January 4, 2013 at 2:52 pm drunicusrex

    I would actually like to see a brief rescued-sperm-from-the-used-propho story.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 4:05 pm Hugh G. Rection

      Well there is some story or urban legend floating around about a guy who put habañero sauce in his condoms before disposing of them, if the woman were to grab her Martha Stewart Turkey Baster and try some quick artificial insemination. Ever cut chilies and rub your eye afterwards? Imagine that on the tip your dick a thousand times over.

      I think it’s pretty well done in one recording of the Tom Leykis show on youtube. Of the veracity of course we can’t be sure. Can’t dig up the link right now…

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 4:05 pm Hugh G. Rection

        It’s on jizzabel: http://jezebel.com/5160215/guy-who-put-hot-sauce-in-used-condoms-may-need-therapy-swift-kick-in-the-balls

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      • on January 4, 2013 at 5:15 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        OK, I went and read that Jezebel article and I’m pretty sure it gave me cancer. They’re outraged, OUTRAGED, because the dude used to either rinse out or put hot sauce in used condoms.

        Here’s my question: How does the hot sauce harm anyone, as long as his suspicions are incorrect? And which is worse, tricking a guy into fatherhood, or giving a woman who would do that a case of Sriracha Crotch?

        They even manage to top off the stupid, which I assure you burns worse than any Tabasco Twat ever could, by telling would-be Oops Daddy: “If you’re the kind of guy who would put hot sauce in a used condom, that’s probably why you attract women who would try to get pregnant without your knowledge.”

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 10:22 pm Jason

      NBA players have to deal with this a lot. You can probably find a story in that direction.

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  9. on January 4, 2013 at 4:35 pm tenderman100

    I pursue married women almost exclusively. Here’s why.

    First, a married woman who is out for new cock is more than likely to be married to a Beta. The Beta man can take many forms — a guy who is boring in bed, who can’t get it up, or when he does it’s too small. Sometimes the beta husband is exactly what the chick wanted — stable, financially secure to the degree she wanted (or to a lesser degree) but is soulless, intellectually vapid, inattentive, or simply ineffectual.

    Second, before you get involved with a married woman, you really have to sound out what kind of beta she is married to — or rather if she’s married to one at all. If she is some kind of total slut, who is married to a guy who is very powerful and an Alpha, and she really want ANOTHER alpha…well run away. But if she’s married to a guy who, for example, is simply not pleasing her sexually or is so incredibly boring as a man…then that’s a woman that is worth banging. Even if you are discovered by the beta husband — as I once was by this very successful attorney husband, but a pure beta who simply couldn’t pound her like I could — all he will say is “stay away from my wife.” That beta is not going to murder you or subpoena you.

    By the way, the more upscale the chick is, the better. If she’s got the nice house, the nice life, the nice workout club, the nice car….she’s not going to give that up. And the Beta husband isn’t going to do anything to you either…he’s got an image, commitments. Stay away from the babes with total working class loser types or, of course, the mafia types. But the upper middle class babes with the corporate husband or the small business husband…they are perfect targets.

    Third, married women love the fantasy that “this guy will take me away from all this.” But deep down she knows it’s not going to happen. So you work the imagination, but you also bring her to reality. She will see that you will not rescue her…but she has experienced the fucking that she has craved. That tension, for her, is thrilling. And when you make her come by eating her pussy, and it hasn’t happened for her for so long, she will come crawling back to you. You have her.

    Fourth, and finally, the encounters will be almost always completely sexual. She won’t spend the night. She will fuck, and leave. Oh, she might call, and text, and email, but her own schedule, her own commitments, will eventually lead her to see that this will be a sometime thing. In addition, she is almost always fucking nobody else but you — no time, no energy. She isn’t promiscuous, like the the 20 somethings unattached and in the bar scene. She also knows that SHE needs to keep it secret…and that she is in trouble if she gets caught. Women are tremendous liars, and especially good at lying to the beta.

    Anyway, that’s why I love the married women. It exploits the hypergamous instinct completely and confirms my existential view about women. I have two going now. The sex is tremendous. The commitment from me is virtually non-existent.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 5:00 pm Greg Eliot

      Jesus wept.

      No, not that Jesus! I’m talking about her pool boy… who just found out she gave him the clap.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 5:14 pm avd

      Have explored that. Good luck with your karma.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 5:59 pm YaReally

      While I don’t specifically target married women above other women, I concur 100% with everything you wrote here. It all aligns with my own experiences.

      I’ve found the ones that have been with their man for a long time and KNOW he won’t do anything if we get caught, tend to be a lot less careful about being sneaky. That’s a tricky situ if you haven’t done any recon on who her hubby is and how beta/alpha he is because if he goes haywire she’ll throw you under the bus in a second to save her own ass.

      I try to glance at his name on her phone when he txts her asking where she is so I can Google him but mostly I rely on discussing him and their relationship after we fuck…that’s right guys who’ve been cheated on, your girl was telling another guy about your erectile disfunction, tiny dick, shitty bedroom skills, weird fetishes, premature ejaculating, etc.

      Definitely no desire to get married anytime soon after the shit I’ve seen/done lol These girls always seem like Good Girls to all their friends and family.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 7:15 pm Anon

      I love cuckolding betas. I love the image of a cheating woman. It’s the best kind of hate-fuck. I love when they lie, especially while my cock is inside them.

      It’s now becoming my favorite fetish. But I don’t discriminate against single pussy.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 8:50 pm Whitehall

      Toruble with married women is it takes two, maybe three, to keep one as satisfied as a single unmarried woman can. You just can’t arrange banging sessions as easily so there’s fewer time windows for them.

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    • on January 5, 2013 at 8:42 pm judgybitch

      Good god! Who are these married women? Where do you find them? I know a lot of married women (I AM one!) and I can’t imagine any of them doing this.

      I must lead a very sheltered life.

      Also, I would have to really hate the second man, because my husband would definitely kill him.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 1:29 am tenderman100

        These married women are not you. But they could be your friends. Have any of those married friends told you about how their husbands are boring in bed, have small dicks, can’t get it up, or come in 20 seconds? Or do all your married friends have intense orgasms every time they fuck their husbands, who also suck their clits like they are juiciest sorbet?

        THAT’S what I do. I make the loins of the married women I fuck pulsate with ecstasy. There is nothing so magical as having a married woman’s hips vibrate in pleasure while your face is buried between their legs. And when I come up for air, and flip them over, pull their hair as I enter them from behind, and keep going until they scream “don’t stop!!”, their beta schelppy husbands are just a faded memory.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 5:18 pm YaReally

        They are your friends. They just don’t share that side of themselves with you because you’d judge them.

        Most of the chicks that do this stuff, their friends think they’re angels and hold them up as examples of quality Good Girl women. They can’t even conceive of these girls doing this stuff.

        I actually didn’t understand that at first but I had a few incidents where I knew a girl as a dirty little slut because that’s the side she shows me since I don’t judge her…so I’d see her out with her friends and kiss and grope her and she’s back off and signal like “nonono” and I’d be confused and when I’d get her alone we’d be back on hot and heavy. One of the girls told me that I can’t do that in front of her friends because they think she’s the Good Girl of the group lol and from there I started noticing the pattern.

        We like to view our friends in the best possible light, it’s human nature.

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      • on January 9, 2013 at 1:54 am Anonymous

        “Who are these married women”??

        One out of every five married women has *admitted* to cheating.

        http://healthland.time.com/2011/07/29/study-predicting-if-a-partner-will-cheat-is-gender-specific/

        Obviously the number would be much higher when you figure out all those perfectly “good housewives” who gave a BJ to the UPS driver (didn’t count), got wasted at the friend’s bachelorette party and hooked up in the lounge bathroom (didn’t count), and snagged the boss after the office holiday party (will never admit to it).

        So with all that cheating, you expect loud-mouthed, slightly-guilty-feeling women to keep their yaps shut? Expect them to not try to justify their behavior?

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    • on January 6, 2013 at 9:38 am whatsnew

      If she’s got the nice house, the nice life, the nice workout club, the nice car….she’s not going to give that up. [ … ] Anyway, that’s why I love the married women. It exploits the hypergamous instinct completely and confirms my existential view about women. I have two going now. The sex is tremendous. The commitment from me is virtually non-existent.

      Sure, but by the same mechanism she will be far more likely to falsely accuse you of rape, especially if she gets caught in the act, but also could claim abuse and blackmail and threats if the she gets caught otherwise. As you should know she will be believed in nearly every case.

      Also the husband must pretend to believe her because if he does not believe her and tries to divorce her, the divorce will even more completely screw him up because he will look like a monster who wants to abandon an alleged rape/abuse victim.

      It is a risky game, and is only safer if you are suremely confident that you can handle and mitigate the risks.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 11:19 am tenderman100

        I’ve had relationships with 5 married women in the last three years, and the risk of being accused of “false rape” is nonexistent. One woman paid for our hotels — can you imagine making a rape claim with discoverable credit card bills? No, the danger is a violent husband, and if you choose your targets carefully, you can mitigate that risk.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 5:22 pm YaReally

        All of this. It’s a risky game to play. I save all my txts and make them send me dirty pics/vids and txt them after we bang so I have a few “that was fun 🙂 I loved it” txts etc so that if it was necessary I would at least have some evidence that our sexual relationship was mutual.

        I’ve warned guys before that a chick who gets caught will toss you under the bus without hesitation. Like 99% of the time. Even if it means lying and you getting your ass kicked or going to jail etc. And she’ll do it without any remorse.

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      • on January 6, 2013 at 7:41 pm Anonymous

        I have had relationships with 5 married women in the last 3 years, three of which have ended, and false rape charges are a truly remote risk. And I have records.

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  10. on January 4, 2013 at 5:04 pm Erudite Knight

    Girls like emotional attention more than physical, its not surprising a girl can essentially ‘get off’ from doing this like a man needs sexual release.

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  11. on January 4, 2013 at 5:27 pm Greg Eliot

    I’m confused about this “dabbling” thing… since when did women have anything but false identities?

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 6:00 pm YaReally

      lol this was my first thought too.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 6:05 pm Dude

      Atta boy. That’s how you brevity.

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    • on January 4, 2013 at 8:26 pm Tertullian

      @Greg Eliot — hahaha!! “….anything but false identities….” perfect, perfect, perfect….

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  12. on January 4, 2013 at 5:49 pm whorefinder

    I often tell women who ask my profession: “I’m a gigolo.”

    If they’re pissing me off, however, I add, ” Well, it sounds better than my real job. Professional rapist.”

    Winning!

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  13. on January 4, 2013 at 7:38 pm Canadian Friend

    …4. Femme Fatales. Ah, the manipulative woman (but I repeat myself). These are the most dangerous breed of female; they lie less to assuage their egos than to separate the swooning man from his money. Or time. Or sanity.

    I have had my share of women who were after my sanity

    some of them treated me so badly it would qualify as psychological abuse ( I was much more beta then , I am about 1/3 beta now)

    and as someone said above, they did not have a capacity for guilt or reasoning

    Not even their best friends could make them ” see the light”

    I had to leave them and then they would miss me and want me back

    I would say they were sadistic but just as a baby does not know he just crapped in his pants, I don’t think they were/are even aware of what they are and what they do to others

    their brains are different from most men’s brains

    that type of woman. they don’t have a capacity for guilt or reasoning

    they are usually better than other women in bed, more horny and more kinky which is what makes it hard to leave them

    but they will crush your soul/spirit if you let them

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  14. on January 4, 2013 at 7:54 pm turtlesonroids

    This is a big reason why I don’t like gaming on the dating sites. There are a lot of profiles created for this purpose or for women to build ego to unobtainable levels. Also, occassionally you’ll hear about profiles used by girls to find their best friend’s bf “testing the waters.”

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    • on January 9, 2013 at 1:58 am Anonymous

      And a lot of those online dating profiles that women use to build ego and attention-whore go unused after just a few weeks (once she’s got her fix or gets tired of reading the message subject lines), and can sit unused for years.

      So we’re talking a lot of dudes spending at least a minute or two to email these profiles, over the span of years, that will never be accessed.

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  15. on January 4, 2013 at 10:01 pm Women Dabbling In False Identities « PUA Central

    […] (A “partners in crime” attitude is one possibility, getting her to tell about her other fake identities and helping her make them more effective, but although that appeared to work great Source: Chateau Heartiste   […]

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  16. on January 4, 2013 at 10:33 pm walawala

    Or lying about their profiles. One girl I met and banged in 3 dates had put “less kinky” on her questionnaire. Turns out she was the filthiest.

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    • on January 7, 2013 at 7:08 pm JironGhrad

      They almost always put “less kinky,” as it’s part of the whole hamster-deniability rational.

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    • on January 9, 2013 at 2:01 am Anonymous

      The truth is worse. On OKCupid, the “less kinky” is computer-generated, based on the girl’s responses to questions on specific activities (threesomes, strip poker, number of sex partners, etc).

      So, if the girl turns out to be a freak in real life, she didn’t just let the hamster run wild on one question (“how kinky are you?”) — she blatantly lied on an entire constellation of yes/no questions on particular sexual activity.

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  17. on January 4, 2013 at 10:47 pm pdwalker

    Not kidding about this last part. I could tell you stories.

    We’d love to hear them.

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  18. on January 5, 2013 at 2:02 am Johnny Caustic

    Nobody has asked why the quoted reader is spending so much time “smoking out” women online. Nobody should be spending that much online time with any one woman; it’s a numbers game. The goal is to meet them live in person with as little effort as possible; or if they won’t go directly from online to meet, get them on the phone or video chat as soon as possible, then go from there to meeting. If you have to put more than 20 minutes of total effort into getting any one woman past the online stage, it’s time to silently drop her and refocus on the other 50 women you’re contacting.

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    • on January 7, 2013 at 6:47 am TheBusDriver

      I disagree with this in certain situations. While I was deployed in the middle east I got a lot of mileage out of setting things up online with girls before returning to a city in the states. These interactions would last months. It was definitely a difficult game to play and it was easy for things to fizzle over that long time frame. I would try to escalate sexually as much as possible (getting them to send pics, dirty talk, cyber sex, etc.) so that the girls I actually ended up meeting already expected things to happen quickly on the first date. Like everybody says though, it’s a numbers game. I only ended up meeting a handful of girls once I got back and that’s out of hundreds of initial messages but hey, it’s more productive than sitting in the desert watching porn.

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  19. on January 5, 2013 at 2:30 am tom

    “1. Fat chicks”… well guys, never ever trust pics taken from above. never.
    in that case before you run away in disgust remember to buy two packs of six, and you’ll always have a fun story to share with friends, you can even end get paid from the fat liar haha… aaaaaahh sickness

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    • on January 5, 2013 at 2:00 pm Hugh G. Rection

      Fat chicks need love too… but they gotta pay.

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  20. on January 5, 2013 at 8:26 am greengranted

    Do you have a math degree?

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  21. on January 5, 2013 at 11:20 am Ken_in_SC (@Ken_in_SC)

    My first wife used to lie when telling the truth would have been in her interest. I think she did it just to keep in practice. And yes, she had other men.

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  22. on January 5, 2013 at 2:20 pm Villea

    “3. Daddy’s Little Abandoned Princesses Syndrome.”

    I have too much experiences with one of these.

    Long story short, followed with a question. I was involved with one for 2 years, 4 years back. Now, as I have been living abroad since (so has she), I have had my share of fun with other girls at home (during vacations). I actually met one girl, who is very very smart and honest and I had too much fun with. I did not exactly go in with relationship in mind and the situation is more like friends with benefits. I am fine with this. However, during these pseudointellectual discussions we had I accused her of something and suddently realised that I behave the same way. Just out of interest, I decided to contact this ex-of-mine and see if I could correct myself (as I generally want to learn stuff, this seemed a good thing to do). So I finish my vacation and get in touch with said ex. Problems begin here, as I felt that I need to have another try with this one.

    I got rid of my ex, as she was kind of a nutcase, but otherwise fucking perfect. This might have been a mistake, but nevertheless, we stopped living together and I moved to another country. Her problems were mainly DLAPS, as she was only trying to please me. It is fun the first few years, but somepoint you just say to yourself that fuck this, I need a person to talk to.

    After the initial contact, in which I was completely honest, we kept in touch until I had found my answer. However, she was just getting rid of her bf at the time, so I kept on it (as I was thinking “why not”). Actually went to see her, as she wanted to make herself to get rid of the bf, so I flew in and as I was coming she had to tell her bf that it is over. I land 2 days after the said discussion. We picked up where we left it 4 years ago, everything was fucking brilliant. No physicality though. So I get back and tell her that maybe you come over here and we see where it takes us. The answer was “no”. I tried few other times and after the last call said fuck it, not worth it I am done. “Lets stay in touch” me: “Yeah, I am not going to call you”.

    And obviously, everybody reading this and understanding DLAPS, knows that what will happen next: she starts calling me every once in a while asking “how am I doing”.

    I am new to the game, but have been playing kind of hard past 2 years. My life is quite brilliant, but this annoys the fuck out of me. I want this settled. It does not matter which way this goes: if she finally ends back with me, fine. If not, fine. (That was obviously a lie, as if it would not matter, I would not write here).

    I want to speed up this process. So, any ideas what to do with a ex, which is your ex because you wanted her to be ex, says that does not want to go further, but keeps calling you and has an obvious DLAPS?

    My opinion on the situation is: she always has a “leader” who she will follow to do what ever the “leader” wants. Before me it was a friend of her, who was kind of a cunt. Then it was me. Now it is this Canadian sorority girl, who quite simply has said no to hooking up with your ex.

    Another question for you people would be more general one: can a girl who did not want to break up with a guy, but this guy in to friend zone? I’d say no. Opinions?

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  23. on January 5, 2013 at 3:05 pm !

    One of the best tools for catching fake profiles.. http://www.tineye.com its like a search engine for images, and finds them even if they are fairly altered..has save me SOOO much time and hassle.

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  24. on January 5, 2013 at 8:14 pm michaeltx

    True Story.

    Dated a gal from Michigan that did the whole false identity thing. Long story short, she would fly to Texas to see me over the course of a year, (probably about 15 times),, I had flown up there a handful of times as well. She led me to believe she was a 1st year Emergency Doctor Resident the entire time when in reality she was a spoiled rich girl that was EMS personal for Life Flight @ an Ann Arbor Hospital. She of course lived in a nice place near the hospital etc. her whole story just didn’t seem odd to me. She knew the terminology and of course would embellish emergency situations and would even talk endlessly about the stress ‘of the job’. The real part is that I actually thought she was a great girl without all the lies. I could care less what women do for a living. I suspect she lied partly because well, she’s a pathological liar and because perhaps she wanted to seem important because I own a decent small business and I’m young @ only 33. She would talk about how Michigan’s football team would crush my little private school’s team if they ever played..basically was just a master at creating a reality that was false. I don’t really know, it still disturbs me and makes me mad as fuck. I found out her real identity because I sent flowers to the hospital one day for her birthday to reward her for the cool shit she bought me a few weeks earlier and got a call back from the florist stating there was no Dr. Catherine there. So I just had them rerouted to her residence thinking it was a mistake and no biggie. Well, one time she started bragging to me about her salary and another job prospect etc,,,so I asked a friend of mine that I know from privateer bike racing that is actually an ER doctor if they made that much cash (she told me made 400k a yr) and he laughed and said “yaah right especially if she’s a resident. I don’t know why but I decided to look up her medical license number on the MI state government website and only found an EMS license. I then called the hospital she told me she was at and confirmed there was no “Dr. Catherine”. I felt conned to be frank. There were so many lies that she told that when I sat back and thought of all the time we spent together I realized it was all pure fantasy…right down to the “colleges” she went to and all the medical research she was working on. Everything was a lie. Well, everything except her family siblings names which I remembered and started to look up online. I felt like pulling the covers off her charade by creating a facebook account (I don’t have one) and messaging her mom, sister and brother but in the end I just thought it’d bring me trouble.

    She was a very, very pretty girl, smart, very well put together socially (appearance wise she fit the mold). Anyhow, it scared the hell out of me and I just broke it off immediately after I figured it all out. I suspect she knew I’d figured it all out because I was real cold about it so she just let it go, never once called me again; nothing. This may sound odd, but I was actually worried she would retaliate somehow if I “outed” her. So, I just swallowed the situation for what it was and moved on. When I hear people talk of deceptive women I get angry and reminded of the ride I was taken on. I feel embarrassed even talking about it. It’s not in my nature to chase women, hell I have a hard time focusing on just one…but this was different. I was never looking for marriage or anything remotely like that – I just enjoyed the connection I thought we had and of course her easy going company. She wasn’t jealous like every woman I’ve been with, ‘let me be me’ and didn’t ask questions about my traveling or the amount of cash and time I spent racing for pure fun like other chicks. Truth be told I didn’t want to confront her in person because I was afraid I’d beat the shit out of her and go to jail.

    Looking back, there were signs but nothing that jumps out at me. No ah-hah moments if you will. She got away with it because she was a trust fund baby and could afford to drive a Audi A5 and live in an upscale place. She spent money buying me stuff etc so it wasn’t like I was used financially etc..

    Fucked up situation.

    It happens, beware.

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    • on January 7, 2013 at 1:45 pm Anonymous

      did you put it in her bum?

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    • on January 9, 2013 at 2:11 am Anonymous

      Reminiscent of the main character missing all the signals, except in hindsight, in the movie 500 Day of Summer

      https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/08/28/500-days-of-beta/

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 11:15 am pulsotic

      Haha, felt like I was reading a comment from a girl I dated. I often wonder how I’m able to keep up the charade so long. It’s because they want it to be true. I had a fleeting sympathetic feeling for a girl once, but sociopathy and sadism is more fun and rewarding.

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  25. on January 6, 2013 at 10:20 am Anonymous

    I used to dabble around on christian mingle. One encounter stands out to me, she was actively involved in her church and community, was a highly regarded school teacher, and her parents were well off… But I did not trust a single word she said. First it started with little things but eventually moved on to bigger stuff. Eventually I cut her off and she texted me and called me nonstop for days saying it was my fault. The thing to remember about relationships with women is compliance testing, you have to give them little jobs here and there to do for you every now and then. She will do one of a few things, either try to talk you out of it, agree but forget, or do a half assed job at it, or promply drop everything and do an amazing job at it. If she fails at the test use the assertive communication model to express yourself, and it will force her to reveal how callous she really is or she will show genuine empathy. Another thing about lying, its an active sign of disrespect. If your stuffin her all the time its one thing, but if your looking relationship direction its bad news.

    Ive ran into this a lot. It wasnt easy at first, but after a while you will get better at dealing with it, but its paradoxical, the more you care the worse it will be. Now I chuckle inwardly when they tell me, “I can never win with you” or “I can never beat you in an arguement.” Its because I dont care.

    So to sum it up, if women want to lie and have fake identities it really only hurts them, so why care if your being lied to, use it to your advantage, but dont give anything special to them, no weekend dates or time away from friends or activities, and definately no money. As to bust women about their lying, its a complete waste of time and unnecessary and most times impossible. You will never get that validation. While its completely possible that at some point she will have a come to Jesus(not the pool boy) moment, it will never happen with you actively second guessing and doubting her. Just enjoy the ride and learn from the experiences.

    While I was finishing this up something funny came to mind, a lot of women I date ask me why I dont ask them many questions, and I can never tell them the real reason… Im doing them a favor and not giving them opportunity to lie to me.

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    • on January 6, 2013 at 11:27 am Greg Eliot

      Post of the week… well-done.

      As to bust women about their lying, its a complete waste of time and unnecessary and most times impossible.

      We see so much evidence of it right here at the chateau.

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    • on January 9, 2013 at 2:13 am Anonymous

      Can you give more info about the assertive communication model you mentioned?

      Could be useful for ‘relationship game’

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 10:58 pm Anonymous

        being assertive means using the eight core emotions to describe how one feels and link it directly to someone elses actions along with a suggested remedy. an example, I felt sad, disappointed and betrayed when you ditched me while you were supposed to be helping me recover from surgery, it will be impossible for me to trust in you again. this has more application in the relationship setting then pick up. but it can be useful in calling people on their shit, but in small doses. imho its kind of beta

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  26. on January 6, 2013 at 1:11 pm Anon

    Slightly off topic but I’d like to get your comments on this article: http://goo.gl/mTxfp

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    • on January 6, 2013 at 2:18 pm Greg Eliot

      Heh… the usual hamster-spin with gems such as

      … most women tend to do well after divorce…

      One study found that age 48 is the pivotal year for women’s unhappiness, and women tend to be more prone to depression anyway. But at midlife, we’re dealing with menopause, the loss of our role as nurturer, the loss of our youth and beauty, etc.

      Shoot, 48 my ass…

      The fact that they’re able to glom off hubby’s lifetime of work and walk away from a marriage with a few hundred G’s in many cases, well… DUH!

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      • on January 7, 2013 at 12:39 am Rights4Men

        Cougar Town

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougar_Town

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    • on January 6, 2013 at 3:37 pm Greg Eliot

      These women are done. They say they aren’t happy. They say they aren’t in love with their husbands (or any other man — they aren’t having affairs). They say they simply wish they were no longer married to him.

      Heh… is there anything more useless than a woman who has not only lost her looks, but likewise her vivacity and sexuality… yet still requires providing for?

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    • on January 9, 2013 at 2:18 am Anonymous

      Good grief, beta-hubby divorce-theft red alert!

      “The common factor amongst all of these women is that they say that their husbands are really solid, good, nice men … they just don’t want to be married to them anymore because they have fallen out of love.”

      Also, shades of that odious writer Sandra Tsing Loh in The Atlantic, on all her SWPL friends kicking out and ripping off the beta hubbies:

      http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/10/the-weaker-sex/309094/

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  27. on January 6, 2013 at 3:05 pm michaeltx

    – “I keep wondering if this is all there is.”

    -… The common factor amongst all of these women is that they say that their husbands are really solid, good, nice men … they just don’t want to be married to them anymore because they have fallen out of love.
    ———————————————————
    Is this all women, or just American women? Why bother?

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    • on January 7, 2013 at 4:27 am Anonymous

      Its because women dont have to stay in love, if they get divorced they get child support, alimony, access to the cock carousel. When you eliminate the consequences for their actions they will do whatever they want and you get the bill for it. My personal opionion, it has to do with the level of government that is in a womans life. I think a way out of it is making them stay home and homeschool children. If a woman is not willing to do that she is not marriage material…PERIOD Homeschooling children is the greatest gift you can give to your children and its the only hope this nation has.

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  28. on January 7, 2013 at 12:20 pm Madvillain

    Let’s not forget men pretending to be women online. Over the years I’ve refrained from talking to people online because for every cool, normal person, there are freaks, weirdos, and lairs.

    Recently I broke my rule and talked to this woman on and off for two months with a seemingly legit profile. Her pictures looked real because they weren’t overly hot or perfect, although she was attractive, and her profile seemed down-to-earth and honest enough. But in the back of my mind SOMETHING wasn’t quite right, it was a few things she said that are too subtle to explain here.

    Sure I could have probably made her send me a pic holding a sign and the date, but I couldn’t be bothered. I’ll never be sure, but I stopped talking to “her”.

    Just a warning fellas, don’t “cyber” or engage in sex talk with a woman until you’re sure it’s a woman. I didn’t thankfully. Phew.

    (this comment will probably appear in about two days, if at all)

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    • on January 7, 2013 at 9:17 pm Greg Eliot

      Was it NiteLily?

      :LLLZLLZOZOZOZOZOZOZOZLZLZLZLZLZLZLZOZOZOZOZOZLZLZL

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  29. on January 12, 2013 at 9:34 am @webbmedia’s Amy Webb is on a roll | Fausta's Blog

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  30. on January 29, 2013 at 10:10 am cavman diet

    – fair enough, I can agree with that! I used to try to find paleo versions of neolithic foods, but as I stayed on paleo, I found myself craving them less and less, and now I don’t want them at all. I suppose paleo-friendly substitutes of sweets and snacks could play a role in this weaning process for others :). . I think these individual success stories say so much for the movement. I love reading them and seeing the great things people have had happen? to them.

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