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What Kind Of Woman Cuckolds A Man?

January 10, 2013 by CH

Following hot on the crooked heels of yesterday’s BOTM nomination, a new study is out which gives support to the conventional wisdom that skanks, fugs and other assorted low value women are the ones most likely to employ the cuckold strategy (or, looking at it from a different angle, the ones least likely to be concerned with the consequences of impulsively cuckolding their boyfriends or husbands).

Menstrual Cycle Changes in Mate Preferences for Cues Associated with Genetic Quality: The Moderating Role of Mate Value

Abstract: The purpose of the study was to explore the influence of mate value and fertility status on women’s implicit and explicit preferences for male traits associated with genetic quality. It was hypothesized that a woman low in mate value would experience greater fluctuation across her menstrual cycle in her preferences for characteristics associated with genetic quality than a woman high in mate value. Specifically, a low mate value woman during the non-fertile part of the cycle would experience a reduction in a desire for traits associated with health and reproductive success. To test the hypothesis, the college age female participants completed two measures of mate value and a self-report measure designed to gauge fertility status. Then the participants performed an Implicit Associations Test (IAT) designed to measure implicit associations with a male trait related to genetic quality and a questionnaire designed to measure their explicit responses to the same trait. As predicted, mate value moderated the relationship between fertility status and implicit preferences. […]

Inherent in Gangestad and his colleague’s reasoning about cyclic changes in [female] mate preferences is the proposition that the mixed mating [cuckold] strategy would be most adaptive for women who are unable to obtain mates that are high in both genetic quality and resources. Women who can attract both high genetic quality and resource rich males for long-term relationship have less need to acquire high quality genetic material through short-term mating. For this type of woman, the costs incurred from infidelity are less likely to outweigh the genetic benefits. An individual difference that is likely to play a pivotal role in woman’s ability to attract high quality mates is mate value (Fisher, Cox, Bennett, and Garvik, 2008). Although there are a variety of different definitions of mate value, most conceptualizations suggest that mate value is determined by observable characteristics that indicate the persons quality as a sexual partner (Kirsner, Figueredo, and Jacobs, 2003) and ability to increase the reproductive success of mates (Sugiyama, 2005; Waynforth, 2001). Not surprisingly, research has already demonstrated that a woman’s mate value influences many male behaviors and emotions, e.g., mate retention behaviors (Jones, Figueredo, Dickey, and Jacobs, 2007; Miner, Starratt, and Shackelford, 2009) and jealousy (Phillips, 2010). Further, numerous studies have found a woman’s perceived attractiveness influences her mate preferences (e.g., Feinberg et al., 2012; Little and Mannion, 2006; Penton-Voak et al., 2003; Vokovic et al., 2008).

It seems very probable that women who are low in mate value will have more difficulty in attracting long-term mates that possess both genetic quality and resources than women high in mate value. Hence, for low mate value females it may be adaptive to pursue a mixed strategy forming long-term relationships with lower genetic quality males and pursuing high genetic quality males for extra pair couplings. For these women, this is the best way to obtain the benefits of a long-term relationship and obtain high quality genetic material.

This is yet another study which validates scores of maxims propounded over the years by the Chateau for your reading pleasure. It’s almost as if being a layman simply observing how the world works with open eyes is as precise a method for discovering universal and lasting truths as being a credentialed scientist with a lab full of hardware drily measuring every jot and tittle of human interaction!

The study is very interesting in the details, both for what it reveals and for the inherent limitations it must work around, and I suggest you read all of it. Using a combination of explicit self-reporting and implicit association measures of attractiveness of stimuli (how desirable the men were to the women) and self-attractiveness (how desirable the women consciously and subconsciously thought themselves), the researchers confirmed their hypothesis that low mate value women — ugly, fat, crass, skanky hobags, or 3/4ths of American womanhood, in other words — are more likely to feel a desire to cheat on their beta male partners during their window of ovulation to acquire higher value male seed on the sly. Higher quality women — the cute babes PUAs target — are less likely to cheat or to feel a desire to cheat on their partners because they are the kinds of women who get what they want in a man, and are therefore more fulfilled with their romantic relationships.

(If you’re the type of person who enjoys aesthetic ornamentation on your dose of ugly truths, it helps to read this stuff while imagining a bulbous, half cyborg Cacodemon God of Biomechanics enthroned in the void firmament belching lube and smoke from his clanking flesh gears, cruelly laughing from his cosmic perch at his insignificant experimental human subjects toiling on earth below.)

As mentioned above, the study had to deal with some limitations present in the subject matter; specifically, the reliability of (explicit) self-reporting for measuring self-attractiveness, and the general reliability of implicit association tests. (Note that implicit association tests have been used to claim that white people are innately racist, conveniently forgetting the social context within which whites form their implicit associations, and the mitigating variables which influence them.)

On the first limitation, although women may be prone to overestimate their own attractiveness, it seems safe to conclude that such overestimation, because it presumably occurs in all test subjects, would still provide useful information on the relative rankings of all the women in the study. But that is of course open to debate. For instance, hotter women may be less apt to over-rate their looks, and may even downgrade them a bit to make uglier women feel better about themselves. (There are those people, too, who would assert that female beauty is subjective and thus unable to be accurately assessed, by either an observer or the subject. But those people are stupid.)

On the second limitation, although Implicit Association Tests are regarded as being less susceptible to “social desirability distortion” (i.e., peer pressure and social expectation to answer correctly), a problem arises that implicit feelings can vary based on hormonally-influenced or otherwise-influenced fluctuations in self-perception. Nonetheless, implicit association appears to be more trustworthy than explicit self-reporting, at least as regards the measuring of sexual desirability and sexual preference. As stated in the paper:

Contrary to the expectations, the study did not find the moderating effect of mate value when explicit responses were measured. Both high and low mate-value women expressed an explicit preference for muscular arms.

Why did mate value act as a moderator with implicit preferences but not with explicit preferences? One possibility is that the processes involved were operating without conscious awareness, limiting the participants’ ability to explicitly state preferences. Remember that an explicit preference is a positive or negative evaluation that is retrievable from memory and directs behavior. Whereas an implicit attitude is the product of positive or negative associations with an object (muscles) that can no longer actively be retrieved from memory. This explanation is consistent with the notion that many evolved processes operate passively without deliberate thought (Cosmides and Tooby, 1995; Tooby and Cosmides, 1989). Yet it is puzzling why participants would be able to explicitly state preferences influenced by the menstrual cycle but not by mate value. Another possibility for the divergence between implicit and explicit responses is that the participants’ were giving socially desirable explicit responses. The women may have believed that expressing positive attitudes towards the muscles was the expected or correct response, i.e., normal women should like muscles. Consequently, both the low and high mate value women gave positive explicit ratings of the muscular arms. On the other hand, the Implicit Association Test used to measure the women’s implicit preferences was able to detect the moderating role of mate value because the Implicit Association Test is less susceptible to this type of social desirability distortion (see Cvencek, Greenwald, Brown, Snowden, and Gray [2010] and Steffens [2004] for a discussion of Implicit Association Test’s resistance to response distortion).

Chateau Heartiste has been at the forefront inculcating the masses with some very valuable knowledge, primary among the oeuvre that men should never listen to what women say; instead they should watch what women do in order to learn what women really want in men. And this study, with its findings that there exists a discrepancy between what women explicitly self-report and what they implicitly feel, is another vindication of that hallowed CH principle. Recall that a woman’s brain has no fucking clue what her vagina is up to. Or, more precisely, women’s frontal lobes are not consciously aware of what their vaginas are feeling. For that, you must peer into their ids.

The sexual market works this way: on a subconscious level. In fact, it MUST work this way. It must, because it is the medium for the barter and trade of genetic material, the tiny, invisible Chief of Operations which is the ultimate beneficiary of all human motivation and goal-directed behavior. Dispiriting, sadistic, conscious awareness of the workings of the sexual market adds a level of unnecessary complexity that would not have been favored by natural or sexual selection.

So now you know… the rest of the story.

Moral of the study: Don’t marry a low value woman!

Better yet, don’t even bang a low value woman. If she gets pregnant and is unable to dupe her beta provider to stay with her and raise your illegitimate hellion, she may hit you with a paternity claim. But why would you bang low value women in the first place? If you’re that desperate or lacking in taste, porn is a more satisfying pressure release valve.

PS The study results show that high value women — aka hotter women — are not as subconsciously attracted as uglier women are, during the ovulation stage of their cycles, to bigger muscles in men. So if you are a womanizer who prefers the company of truly exquisite ladies, you don’t have to swole out to achieve your dreams. But if you like your broads a little slutty and road-worn, hit the gym hard. Probably explains why I see so many meatheads dating harsh-looking gym rats on the fast track to cougarville.

PPS This doesn’t mean muscularity, all else equal, won’t help you with the ladies. It just means that it’s one input among many which trigger female attraction modules, and it’s not as vital an input for attracting better looking, more feminine women as it is for banging out the substandard whores of pathetic cuckolds on the make for a fly-by-night injection of cad cream. Personally, I love the post-lift feeling I get, so I take some pleasure in knowing that I can exploit the flirty attentions of skanks to inspire jealousy, and improved sexual performance, in my sweeter lovers.

PPPS One other thing I would point out is that low mate value and IQ likely correlate. A beautiful woman is likelier to be smarter, and hence more conscientious and less impulsive (all these positive, K-selected personality traits correlate with IQ) than an ugly woman. So perhaps another unidentified operational factor that this study has uncovered is the notion that smarter girls grasp the negative consequences of cuckoldry better than do dumber girls, and are therefore better at resisting their temptations.

PPPPS You might also title this study “Ugly Chicks Must Settle for Beta Males, and That Makes Them Sad and Unfaithful”. Isn’t love grand!

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  1. on January 10, 2013 at 2:32 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    It’s almost as if being a layman simply observing how the world works with open eyes is as precise a method for discovering universal and lasting truths as being a credentialed scientist with a lab full of hardware drily measuring every jot and tittle of human interaction!

    How do you think Shakespeare, Homer and Tolstoy did it?

    With more systematic thinkers, Machiavelli, Hobbes, Adam Smith, and Edmund Burke all got a long, long way into the truth just by careful observation.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 2:41 pm Greg Eliot

      You can see a lot just by observing. – Yogi Berra

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 8:24 am Zombie Shane

        Heartiste: PPPS One other thing I would point out is that low mate value and IQ likely correlate. A beautiful woman is likelier to be smarter, and hence more conscientious and less impulsive (all these positive, K-selected personality traits correlate with IQ) than an ugly woman. So perhaps another unidentified operational factor that this study has uncovered is the notion that smarter girls grasp the negative consequences of cuckoldry better than do dumber girls, and are therefore better at resisting their temptations.

        Heartiste, here’s another thought [or at least a slightly different angle on your observation]: Do you suppose that you’re seeing in this data more or less PRECISELY what Murray is seeing when he describes the growing dichotomy in White America between the peoples of Belmont and Fishtown?

        Where the high-IQ college-edumukated folk are trying their best to cling to tradition, but where all hell is breaking loose amongst the trailer-trash meth-smoking ass-tat pole-dancing crowd?!?

        Where in Belmont the high SMV chicks are faithful to their high SMV men, but in Fishtown, the skanky cuckholding whores might be going so far as to get bestial on the sly with a Negro?

        It would certainly correlate with the change in the male SMVs, where the decline in manufacturing jobs has decimated the SMV of the fellow with the high school diploma, but where the guy with the advanced graduate degree has seen his [albeit Potemkin Village] SMV soar if only he has taken the time to master the fine art of manipulating fiat electrons to his [albeit Potemkin Village] financial advantage.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 8:59 am Zombie Shane

        I think I mighta double-posted.

        Sorry.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 3:08 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 3:25 pm Greg Eliot

        For the record, Helen cuckolded Menelaus, brother to Agamemnon.

        Wife Clytemnestra did in the Ag-man.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 3:47 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 1:19 am casaanova

        go to the head of the class!!!

        (where da chciks will give you head but no ass in my class zlozzlzoz)

        lmfao

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 3:47 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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        it is da way of da fed
        to transfer assetss to dose who butthext
        cuckold dose who pay for our bread
        beta bucks and alpha fucks
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        da assetts from betas we plucks
        after da alphas desol us through our hole for poo
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        as da feiisnsits see no truth nor justice in their laws
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        yes, yes, i did very good on my gmats
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      • on January 10, 2013 at 6:56 pm Zombie Shane

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 7:09 pm Zombie Shane

        When I was in grad school, I dated a big, buxom chick who was deathly ashamed of being 5’8″ and 140lbs.

        Nowadays, she’d be freaking anorexic.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 11:36 pm Desert Cat

        Genius. Love the poem, LOLZ!

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 10:07 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozozolzlzzol

        “It is only males who are created directly by the gods and are given souls. Those who live rightly return to the stars, but those who are ‘cowards or [lead unrighteous lives] may with reason be supposed to have changed into the nature of women in the second generation’. This downward progress may continue through successive reincarnations unless reversed. In this situation, obviously it is only men who are complete human beings and can hope for ultimate fulfilment; the best a woman can hope for is to become a man” (Plato, Timaeus 90e).

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 10:11 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozolzolzoozo

        ‘It is the best for all tame animals to be ruled by human beings. For this is how they are kept alive. In the same way, the relationship between the male and the female is by nature such that the male is higher, the female lower, that the male rules and the female is ruled.’ Aristotle, Politica, ed. Loeb Classical Library, 1254 b 10-14.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 11:09 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        THE FIAT BUTTHEXT MATRIX COMMEMRATIVE POTSER ZLOZOZOZLZOZOZO

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 10:59 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        hey hearrasitesss!!!

        JUVENAL THE ROMAN POET also writes about CUCKHOLDINGZ just like the RGEAT HEATRTEITSS!!! lzozzoozozoozoz

        “These poor women, however, endure the perils of child-birth, and all the troubles of nursing to which their lot condemns them; but how often does a gilded bed contain a woman that is lying in? So great is the skill, so powerful the drugs, of the abortionist, paid to murder mankind within the womb. Rejoice, poor wretch; give her the stuff to drink whatever it be, with your own hand: for were she willing to get big and trouble her womb with bouncing babes, you might perhaps find yourself the father of an Ethiopian; and some day a coloured heir, whom you would rather not meet by daylight, would fill all the places in your will.” –http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/juvenal_satires_06.htm

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 8:58 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      hey heartsistexx!!!!

      we’re famaouszz!!!!!! FAMOUSZZ!!!! more and more peopel ar eunbuttplugging from teh fiat fmataraix zlzoozzol

      http://gregariouswolf.wordpress.com/

      “Everybody unplugs in their own way.

      This was mine.

      In the throes of divorce I stumbled on this article while reading tech news:

      Ziff Davis Net: Ten fake profiles, one OkCupid experiment: OkCupid On Trial

      …which led me to the original source:

      John Millward: Cupid on Trial: A 4-month Online Dating Experiment Using 10 Fictional Singletons

      …and somehow I ended up at Chateau Heartiste:

      Chateau Heartiste: Results From An Online Dating Experiment

      I felt a little like Neo when he had just woken up, but hadn’t yet been flushed down the commode.

      “Whoa!”

      I was like “alpha” and “beta”? Like wolves? A wolfpack?

      What the hell is “SMV”?

      I’ve heard of polygamy, I’ve experience monogamy. What the hell is hypergamy. Sounds fun, where can I get some?

      Who the hell is GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)”

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  2. on January 10, 2013 at 2:43 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    I’ve posted before on my own former blog about how game insights were few and far between in classic literature.

    I think a lot of it came down to a couple facts:

    1. Being a provider used to matter a lot.
    2. Objective social status (king, nobleman, knight, yeoman, peasant) mattered a lot.
    3. Basically everything was social circle game. You would know everybody in your local community (or in you social strata if you were a higher up).

    Not that game didn’t matter, but more on the margins. Who needs game when you’re a nobleman and you want to bang one of your serfs? Who needs game when you are a middle class farmer and your only chance with a girl is to convince her father you’d be a good husband? So, the game insights remained fragmentary.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 3:18 pm Jason

      Great observation. Let me agree and amplify.

      The growth of game paralleled the growth of social mobility and rising living standards.

      It also explains why many authoritarian types here, who perhaps feel uncomfortable with the crimson arts, gleefully rub their hands together and pray for the end of modern civilization. They envision themselves as top-shelf providers in a world of survival.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 3:43 pm Greg Eliot

        I knew if I hung around long enough some of alphie’s outhouse psychology would attain a modicum of credibility.

        Not quite a “well done”, but certainly worth a “not bad”.

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 3:43 pm NiteLily

        “It also explains why many authoritarian types here, who perhaps feel uncomfortable with the crimson arts, gleefully rub their hands together and pray for the end of modern civilization. They envision themselves as top-shelf providers in a world of survival.”

        You hit the nail right on the head.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 3:39 pm Tilikum

      I keep a book of collected love letters (1500-1850’s) just to read when I get nostalgic and utterly full of contempt for the cultural wasteland of today.

      Glimpsing a time when game wasn’t nearly as necessary is like breathing pure oxygen for a moment, makes one light headed and giddy.

      Then I put it down, and go back to being the savage my momma ultimately turned me into. Whore.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 3:49 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

      @Man Who Was…

      Interesting. I was thinking along similar lines. Imagine being a husband in patriarchic times when the woman’s La La Land assessment of her social existence did not require constant gaming because the state did not transfer wealth and political power from men to women. A regular man had less overhead and more underhead I expect. I hate the idea of having to appease a 6-year-old live-in mentality wrapped in a pretentious adult exterior except during moments of truth when it’s a totally different person. Go make me a sandwich must have been a simple matter in times past when women had to pull their weight materially. The lack of overt individual failure has really liberated the livestock entitlement mentality and related genes to proliferation. La, la, la, la…the PC buzz of the synchronizing herd drives me crazy. I hope one day to play shut up and do it game with more elbow room. Somebody will get that eventually. Until then, poolside is the place.

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 3:50 pm NiteLily

        “did not require constant gaming because the state did not transfer wealth and political power from men to women.”

        You don’t like having to work hard to make your woman happy. Lazy, eh? I always said gaming a woman is too much work for weasel men. They want it all on a silver platter without putting any effort into it. You enslave a woman’s love for you only by playing the games of seductions on her. Marriage should not make you stop gaming her if you want the fire to keep burning.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 2:51 pm Anon

        “gaming a woman is too much work for weasel men”

        Gaming a woman is very little work.

        But being a dutiful servant of the suburban status whoring complex is too much work, I’ll give you that.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 2:54 pm Anon

        Also

        Weasel : n. 2. A person regarded as sneaky or treacherous

        IOW, a dark triad.

        If you’ve been paying attention, you’d know that dark triad and game are absolutely compatible.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 3:51 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      IN THE COMMENTS, leave samples and excerpts from the GREAT BOOKZ which teach game!!

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      read homers lodysysyey!! duh!!!!

      homer’s odysysey teaches that if you stand up to womenz you get to FUCK them lzozozozo

      if you don’t stand up to dem dey turn you into pigs

      yes homer was alomst as brrilliaaiant as heartistse lzozozozozo:

      HOMER’S ODYSSEY:

      “‘And I will tell you of all the wicked witchcraft that Circe will
      try to practise upon you. She will mix a mess for you to drink, and
      she will drug the meal with which she makes it, but she will not be
      able to charm you, for the virtue of the herb that I shall give you
      will prevent her spells from working. I will tell you all about it.
      When Circe strikes you with her wand, draw your sword and spring upon
      her as though you were goings to kill her. She will then be frightened
      and will desire you to go to bed with her; on this you must not point
      blank refuse her, for you want her to set your companions free, and
      to take good care also of yourself, but you make her swear solemnly
      by all the blessed that she will plot no further mischief against
      you, or else when she has got you naked she will unman you and make
      you fit for nothing.’ ”

      -http://classics.mit.edu/Homer/odyssey.mb.txt

      zlzozozozozoz

      ANOTHER GREAT PLACE IS IN GENESIES GENEIS IN DA BIBLE:

      16 Unto the woman GOD said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

      is it no wonder sad benerneiannkieirz funded fmeinnisnsmz to deconstruct the GRETA BOOKZ AND CLASSIZCXZ? zlozozzlzol

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 3:57 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN TEACH GAMEZ, WHICH IS WHY THE FMEINSITAS BANNED DA GREATS:

        http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/how-the-great-bookz-for-men-teach-game-zlozozlzozozozlzlozololzz/

        HAMLET
        O, that this too too solid flesh would melt
        Thaw and resolve itself into a dew!
        Or that the Everlasting had not fix’d
        His canon ‘gainst self-slaughter! O God! God!
        How weary, stale, flat and unprofitable,
        Seem to me all the uses of this world!
        Fie on’t! ah fie! ’tis an unweeded garden,
        That grows to seed; things rank and gross in nature
        Possess it merely. That it should come to this!
        But two months dead: nay, not so much, not two:
        So excellent a king; that was, to this,
        Hyperion to a satyr; so loving to my mother
        That he might not beteem the winds of heaven
        Visit her face too roughly. Heaven and earth!
        Must I remember? why, she would hang on him,
        As if increase of appetite had grown
        By what it fed on: and yet, within a month–
        Let me not think on’t–Frailty, thy name is woman!–
        A little month, or ere those shoes were old
        With which she follow’d my poor father’s body,
        Like Niobe, all tears:–why she, even she–
        O, God! a beast, that wants discourse of reason,
        Would have mourn’d longer–married with my uncle,
        My father’s brother, but no more like my father
        Than I to Hercules: within a month:
        Ere yet the salt of most unrighteous tears
        Had left the flushing in her galled eyes,
        She married. O, most wicked speed, to post
        With such dexterity to incestuous sheets!
        It is not nor it cannot come to good:
        But break, my heart; for I must hold my tongue.

        SHOPENHAUER
        The nobler and more perfect a thing is, the later and slower is it in reaching maturity. Man reaches the maturity of his reasoning and mental faculties scarcely before he is eight-and-twenty; woman when she is eighteen; but hers is reason of very narrow limitations. This is why women remain children all their lives, for they always see only what is near at hand, cling to the present, take the appearance of a thing for reality, and prefer trifling matters to the most important. It is by virtue of man’s reasoning powers that he does not live in the present only, like the brute, but observes and ponders over the past and future; and from this spring discretion, care, and that anxiety which we so frequently notice in people. The advantages, as well as the disadvantages, that this entails, make woman, in consequence of her weaker reasoning powers, less of a partaker in them. Moreover, she is intellectually short-sighted, for although her intuitive understanding quickly perceives what is near to her, on the other hand her circle of vision is limited and does not embrace anything that is remote; hence everything that is absent or past, or in the future, affects women in a less degree than men. This is why they have greater inclination for extravagance, which sometimes borders on madness. Women in their hearts think that men are intended to earn money so that they may spend it, if possible during their husband’s lifetime, but at any rate after his death.

        As soon as he has given them his earnings on which to keep house they are strengthened in this belief. Although all this entails many disadvantages, yet it has this advantage—that a woman lives more in the present than a man, and that she enjoys it more keenly if it is at all bearable. This is the origin of that cheerfulness which is peculiar to woman and makes her fit to divert man, and in case of need, to console him when he is weighed down by cares. To consult women in matters of difficulty, as the Germans used to do in old times, is by no means a matter to be overlooked; for their way of grasping a thing is quite different from ours, chiefly because they like the shortest way to the point, and usually keep their attention fixed upon what lies nearest; while we, as a rule, see beyond it, for the simple reason that it lies under our nose; it then becomes necessary for us to be brought back to the thing in order to obtain a near and simple view. This is why women are more sober in their judgment than we, and why they see nothing more in things than is really there; while we, if our passions are roused, slightly exaggerate or add to our imagination.

        It is because women’s reasoning powers are weaker that they show more sympathy for the unfortunate than men, and consequently take a kindlier interest in them. On the other hand, women are inferior to men in matters of justice, honesty, and conscientiousness. Again, because their reasoning faculty is weak, things clearly visible and real, and belonging to the present, exercise a power over them which is rarely counteracted by abstract thoughts, fixed maxims, or firm resolutions, in general, by regard for the past and future or by consideration for what is absent and remote. Accordingly they have the first and principal qualities of virtue, but they lack the secondary qualities which are often a necessary instrument in developing it. Women may be compared in this respect to an organism that has a liver but no gall-bladder.9 So that it will be found that the fundamental fault in the character of women is that they have no “sense of justice.” This arises from their deficiency in the power of reasoning already referred to, and reflection, but is also partly due to the fact that Nature has not destined them, as the weaker sex, to be dependent on strength but on cunning; this is why they are instinctively crafty, and have an ineradicable tendency to lie. For as lions are furnished with claws and teeth, elephants with tusks, boars with fangs, bulls with horns, and the cuttlefish with its dark, inky fluid, so Nature has provided woman for her protection and defence with the faculty of dissimulation, and all the power which Nature has given to man in the form of bodily strength and reason has been conferred on woman in this form. Hence, dissimulation is innate in woman and almost as characteristic of the very stupid as of the clever. Accordingly, it is as natural for women to dissemble at every opportunity as it is for those animals to turn to their weapons when they are attacked; and they feel in doing so that in a certain measure they are only making use of their rights. Therefore a woman who is perfectly truthful and does not dissemble is perhaps an impossibility. This is why they see through dissimulation in others so easily; therefore it is not advisable to attempt it with them. From the fundamental defect that has been stated, and all that it involves, spring falseness, faithlessness, treachery, ungratefulness, and so on. In a court of justice women are more often found guilty of perjury than men. It is indeed to be generally questioned whether they should be allowed to take an oath at all. From time to time there are repeated cases everywhere of ladies, who want for nothing, secretly pocketing and taking away things from shop counters.

        HAMLET:

        OPHELIA
        Good my lord,
        How does your honour for this many a day?
        HAMLET
        I humbly thank you; well, well, well.
        OPHELIA
        My lord, I have remembrances of yours,
        That I have longed long to re-deliver;
        I pray you, now receive them.
        HAMLET
        No, not I;
        I never gave you aught.
        OPHELIA
        My honour’d lord, you know right well you did;
        And, with them, words of so sweet breath composed
        As made the things more rich: their perfume lost,
        Take these again; for to the noble mind
        Rich gifts wax poor when givers prove unkind.
        There, my lord.
        HAMLET
        Ha, ha! are you honest?
        OPHELIA
        My lord?
        HAMLET
        Are you fair?
        OPHELIA
        What means your lordship?
        HAMLET
        That if you be honest and fair, your honesty should
        admit no discourse to your beauty.
        OPHELIA
        Could beauty, my lord, have better commerce than
        with honesty?
        HAMLET
        Ay, truly; for the power of beauty will sooner
        transform honesty from what it is to a bawd than the
        force of honesty can translate beauty into his
        likeness: this was sometime a paradox, but now the
        time gives it proof. I did love you once.
        OPHELIA
        Indeed, my lord, you made me believe so.
        HAMLET
        You should not have believed me; for virtue cannot
        so inoculate our old stock but we shall relish of
        it: I loved you not.
        OPHELIA
        I was the more deceived.
        HAMLET
        Get thee to a nunnery: why wouldst thou be a
        breeder of sinners? I am myself indifferent honest;
        but yet I could accuse me of such things that it
        were better my mother had not borne me: I am very
        proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offences at
        my beck than I have thoughts to put them in,
        imagination to give them shape, or time to act them
        in. What should such fellows as I do crawling
        between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves,
        all; believe none of us. Go thy ways to a nunnery.
        Where’s your father?

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:00 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN TEACH GAMEZ, WHICH IS WHY THE FMEINSITAS BANNED DA GREATS:

        http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/how-the-great-bookz-for-men-teach-game-zlozozlzozozozlzlozololzz/

        SHOPENHAUERZZZZ:

        In India no woman is ever independent, but each one stands under the control of her father or her husband, or brother or son, in accordance with the law of Manu.

        It is certainly a revolting idea that widows should sacrifice themselves on their husband’s dead body; but it is also revolting that the money which the husband has earned by working diligently for all his life, in the hope that he was working for his children, should be wasted on her paramours. Medium tenuere beati. The first love of a mother, as that of animals and men, is purely instinctive, and consequently ceases when the child is no longer physically helpless. After that, the first love should be reinstated by a love based on habit and reason; but this often does not appear, especially where the mother has not loved the father. The love of a father for his children is of a different nature and more sincere; it is founded on a recognition of his own inner self in the child, and is therefore metaphysical in its origin.

        In almost every nation, both of the new and old world, and even among the Hottentots, property is inherited by the male descendants alone; it is only in Europe that one has departed from this. That the property which men have with difficulty acquired by long-continued struggling and hard work should afterwards come into the hands of women, who, in their want of reason, either squander it within a short time or otherwise waste it, is an injustice as great as it is common, and it should be prevented by limiting the right of women to inherit. It seems to me that it would be a better arrangement if women, be they widows or daughters, only inherited the money for life secured by mortgage, but not the property itself or the capital, unless there lacked male descendants. It is men who make the money, and not women; therefore women are neither justified in having unconditional possession of it nor capable of administrating it. Women should never have the free disposition of wealth, strictly so-called, which they may inherit, such as capital, houses, and estates. They need a guardian always; therefore they should not have the guardianship of their children under any circumstances whatever. The vanity of women, even if it should not be greater than that of men, has this evil in it, that it is directed on material things—that is to say, on their personal beauty and then on tinsel, pomp, and show. This is why they are in their right element in society. This it is which makes them inclined to be extravagant, especially since they possess little reasoning power. Accordingly, an ancient writer says, [Greek: Gunae to synolon esti dapanaeron physei].10 Men’s vanity, on the other hand, is often directed on non-material advantages, such as intellect, learning, courage, and the like. Aristotle explains in the Politics11 the great disadvantages which the Spartans brought upon themselves by granting too much to their women, by allowing them the right of inheritance and dowry, and a great amount of freedom; and how this contributed greatly to the fall of Sparta. May it not be that the influence of women in France, which has been increasing since Louis XIII.‘s time, was to blame for that gradual corruption of the court and government which led to the first Revolution, of which all subsequent disturbances have been the result? In any case, the false position of the female sex, so conspicuously exposed by the existence of the “lady,” is a fundamental defect in our social condition, and this defect, proceeding from the very heart of it, must extend its harmful influence in every direction. That woman is by nature intended to obey is shown by the fact that every woman who is placed in the unnatural position of absolute independence at once attaches herself to some kind of man, by whom she is controlled and governed; this is because she requires a master. If she, is young, the man is a lover; if she is old, a priest.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 6:55 pm jon

        Man, your comments are great!

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:00 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        There’s some good analysis of female nature, but not a lot of stuff on how to get the girl, other than “be rich,” “be a nobleman,” or “be a military officer.”

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:02 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        Hamlet was a prince. Prince game = show up and don’t be a total wuss.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:04 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozolzl good thing
        that the GBFM
        is a RICH NOBL MILITARY OFFICER
        in my ARMY OF ONE lzozlzlzllozozooz
        dat is ONE LOTATSSA COCKASZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        lzozozozozoz

        THE GREAT BOOKS TEACH GAMEZZZ!!!

        http://www.womenintheancientworld.com/whatathenianmensaid.htm

        “1) Aristotle said that man is by nature superior to the female and so the man should rule and the woman should be ruled.[1]
        2) Demosthenes wrote “We keep hetaerae for the sake of pleasure, females slaves for our daily care and wives to give us legitimate children and to be the guardians of our households.”[2]
        3) “A man who teaches a woman to write should know that he is providing poison to an asp.”[3]
        4) Euripides has women characters make disparaging remarks about their sex:
        a) I am only a woman, a thing which the world hates.[4]
        b) No cure has been found for a woman’s venom, worse than that of reptiles. We are a curse to man.[5]
        c) Men of sense should never let gossiping women visit their wives, for they work mischief.[6]
        5) Hipponax, whose writing is quite abusive anyway, had this to say about women: “There are two days on which a woman is most pleasing—when someone marries her and when he carries out her dead body.”[7] This aphorism probably should be ignored, coming as it does from a Sixth Century BCE Ephesian whose malicious temperament left him with few friends in the land of his birth and very little good to say about anyone, but the remark is quoted too often today to be left out.
        6) Hyperides said, “A woman who travels outside her house should be old enough that people ask whose mother she is, not whose wife she is.”[8]
        7) In his Funeral Speech Pericles said, “A woman’s reputation is highest when men say little about her, whether it be good or evil.”[9]

        It seems clear, then, that Athenians saw women as beguiling creatures capable of causing considerable harm to themselves and others, and weaker in mind and body than men. Many believed that young girls were somewhat wild and difficult to control and that virgins were subject to hallucinations that could encourage them to be self-destructive. The solution was an early marriage, for only after a woman had delivered her first baby could she be a fully-operational female.
        ”

        zlzozozlolzoz

        ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE NEVER READ HTE GRET BOOKS FOR MEN
        WOULD STATE
        THAT THE GREAT BOKS 4 MENZ
        DO NOT TEACH GAMEZ Zlzolzlzlz

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:13 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        zlzozozolzol

        are you saying the ancientsz ancientz did not comprehend women’z nature?

        THE GREAT BOOKSZ FOR MEN were witten as a guide on how TO CREATE CIVILIZAION CIVILIZATION by encouraging womenz to live by a CODE OF HONR lzozozzllzolzoozozo

        from: http://www.womenintheancientworld.com/women%20and%20the%20law%20in%20ancient%20israel.htm

        “WOMEN AND THE LAW IN ANCIENT ISRAEL

        The Ancient Hebrew law code outlined in the Bible unfortunately lacks the detail that can be found in other ancient legal systems such as the Babylonian and Roman, but we can at least summarize the general principles.

        1. Marriage was called “taking a wife”

        2. It involved sexual intercourse

        3. While there was no death penalty in Hebrew law for property crimes, adultery was a capital offence for both participants.

        4. Marriage and children were necessary to have a fulfilled life. A childless woman could call herself a mother by giving her maid-servant to her husband as a second wife (assuming, of course, the maid-servant did indeed produce a child).

        5. A widow had the right to marry her husband’s brother if he lived in the same town.

        6. Polygyny was permitted but uncommon.

        7. Divorce was easy for a man and impossible for a woman.

        8. Childlessness was the most common reason for divorce

        9. The woman moved to the husband’s home and family

        10. While the husband was clearly the boss, each expected love from the other and a wife had the legal right to support.”

        lzoozzo

        yes, The Man Who Was, the ANCIENTZ did not focus all that much on how to game butthext outta womenz sordid smelly ebernakified buttholez, but please, do not hate them for this shortcummingz lzozzllzlozoozozo

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 3:59 pm NiteLily

        “yes, The Man Who Was, the ANCIENTZ did not focus all that much on how to game butthext outta womenz sordid smelly ebernakified buttholez, but please, do not hate them for this shortcummingz lzozzllzlozoozozo”

        You’re missing one thing though about ancient Israel. While all you said is right, a man had an obligation to clothes, feed, and have sex with his wife. No sexual satisfaction and she has a right to withhold sex from him and even divorce him. No sexual pleasure was the only reason a woman could divorce. So ancient Israel understood that some gaming was necessary for the happiness of the wife. Of course, this type of divorce never really happened because no man who respected himself would be caught not satisfying his wife properly that she needs to divorce him publicly. It’s just that every man getting married would be told of his obligation as a husband.

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 4:02 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        WHAT THEFUCK ARE U TALKNG ABOUT????

        Where do you see Moses Procclaiming “Thou shalt sexually seatisfy thy wife, or she shall be able to divorce ye!!!!” lzozozozozozo asshatszz

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 5:23 am infowarrior1

        I don’t think a woman can divorce her husband for any reason only the husband. Please use scripture citation or a reliable historical source to back up you claim

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 12:25 pm NiteLily

        @Infowarrior 1

        I explained it in a following comment, but so far it hasn’t posted. Maybe it’ll post eventually.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:28 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        zlzoozzoozozozo

        ONE OF THE MOST HILARIOUS THINGZZ IS HOW

        SO MANY FATHERLESS RITALIN RAISED PUSUSYSYSYYSS FANBOYZ SAY

        “WELL THE GREAT BOOKS TEACH NOTHING OF GAMEZZZ lzozozlzolz”

        THIS IS WHY THE MODERN CHURCHIANZ HAVE BANISHED THE BIBLEZ: lzozozzozo

        http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/womens_rights.html

        “Genesis 3:16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

        Isaiah 3:12As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.

        1 Corinthians 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

        1 Corinthians 14:34-36Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

        Ephesians 5:22-24Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

        Colossians 3:18Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

        1 Timothy 2:11-15Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.

        Titus 2:4-5Teach the young women to be … obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

        1 Peter 3:1Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.”

        SOMEDAY WHEN ALL D PUASZ GET BORED WITH STERILE BUTTOCKINGZ SESSIOZN tehy will return to d a GREAT BOOKZ FOR MENZ RENAISSANZESZ zlzlzlzllzlzlzz

        THE GREAT BOOKZ FOR MEN TEACH GAME AND MORE:::
        http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/how-the-great-bookz-for-men-teach-game-zlozozlzozozozlzlozololzz/

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 10:12 pm DarkTriad

        “….but not a lot of stuff on how to get the girl, other than “be rich,” “be a nobleman,” or “be a military officer.”

        Because that’s all you needed. No need for extraordinary gaes when you don’t need to play them. Hard work and resources play a lot further without a welfare state and giant Kleptocracy to protect them from their bad decisions. “You’re a good guy that does all the right things, women will like you once they decide to settle down”. Once, these guys were Patriarchs and the bedrock of society instead of some sloots safety net.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 3:53 pm Hugh G. Rection

      I don’t think you’ll find a lot of literature where the protagonist is an ordinary guy with an ordinary job.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:14 pm Jason

        Sure there is. “An ordinary man in an extraordinary situation” is a basic premise of storytelling.

        “An ordinary man in an ordinary situation”, however, isn’t interesting at all, unless he has some internal conflict.

        Any examples?

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:21 pm Greg Eliot

        Maybe Jude The Obscure (saddest book ever)… Something Happened (okay, stretching the bounds of ‘literature’)… Daniel Martin… October Light… anything by Philip Roth, go figure.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 6:31 pm Greg Eliot

        The above being ordinary men in ordinary situations, of course.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:56 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        zlozozlzzoozozozzozlozzlzozl fucktard
        the hobbit?
        frodo?
        bilbo baggins?
        harry potter?
        luke skywalker?
        even moses was an adopted orphan, like superman.
        spiderman is just a geeky high school kid
        neo is a lowly cubcle worker in th matrix
        jesus was born to a single mom in a manegrz lzzzoozo

        have you ever read any great bok or hero’s journey mythz zlzolzlz?

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 11:55 am Hugh G. Rection

        Well in any of these situations, imagine if nothing of significance ever happened to them, as is the situation for most people.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 12:28 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozozozoz

        i don’t know about you but i’m just a litte hobbit tooo

        and EVERY DAY I FIND MY SELF ON A HERO’S JOURNEY!!!!!

        HUGH GR RCTION!!!!!!

        THE WORLD IS WAITING FO RYOU TO ANSWER THE CALL TO ADVENRTURE, LIKE HEATRIEETS DID, AND JOIN THE BATTLE THE GOOD FIGHT!!!!!!

        Heartiste is just a little hobbit, but HE HAS ANSWERED HIS FATHER’S CALL TO ADVENETURE
        he has MANNED UP
        and by using LOGIC AND REASON
        divine gifts from THE GODS
        HErarties has cerated an ARMY
        A FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING
        as right now sauron (tucker max rhyms ith goldman sax) wants the ring as it will give him supremee butthextcual power, allowing hism to beocme invisible so as to buttehxt girls itn secrtei secrtee and profit off it and publish it as the weekly standardth sceleberates their butthextual hero

        but HEATRIET sees a higher, moral, NOBLER way!!!!!

        ANSWER THE CALLL!!!!

        FORME THE FELSLOWOWESHIP!!!!!

        JON HEATRIETEIDTS!!!!

        and his nhumble servant GBFM

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth

        right now, as it standz, you are rfusing the call!!!!!

        2 The 17 Stages of the Monomyth
        2.1 Departure
        2.1.1 The Call to Adventure
        2.1.2 Refusal of the Call
        2.1.3 Supernatural Aid
        2.1.4 The Crossing of the First Threshold
        2.1.5 Belly of The Whale
        2.2 Initiation
        2.2.1 The Road of Trials
        2.2.2 The Meeting With the Goddess
        2.2.3 Woman as Temptress
        2.2.4 Atonement with the Father
        2.2.5 Apotheosis
        2.2.6 The Ultimate Boon
        2.3 Return
        2.3.1 Refusal of the Return
        2.3.2 The Magic Flight
        2.3.3 Rescue from Without
        2.3.4 The Crossing of the Return Threshold
        2.3.5 Master of Two Worlds
        2.3.6 Freedom to Live

        we few, we happy few, WE BAND OF BOROHTOHERZ!!!!!! lzozozolzozozoz

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 4:19 pm The Man Who Was . . .

      All of those quotes from GBFM seem intent on proving my point. Nothing on how to attract a girl.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:58 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzoozlzoz

        r u saying that the GREATZ nver got laidz?

        lzozzoozoozozoz

        I REPEAT!!!

        HOMER TEACHESZ YOU HOW TO GET OAID HOW TO MAN UP STAND UP AND GET LAID!!!!!

        YOU DUMB FIFKCKCKITY!!!

        HOW THE GREAT BOOKZ FOR MEN TEACH GAME!!!! zlozozlzozozozlzlozololzz

        zlzoozozozo

        http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/how-the-great-bookz-for-men-teach-game-zlozozlzozozozlzlozololzz/

        OK EVERYONEZ!!

        CLASS IS IN SESSION!!!

        IN THE COMMENTS, leave samples and excerpts from the GREAT BOOKZ which teach game!!

        HEre is one for starters:

        lzozozlzozozoz

        read homers lodysysyey!! duh!!!!

        homer’s odysysey teaches that if you stand up to womenz you get to FUCK them lzozozozo

        if you don’t stand up to dem dey turn you into pigs

        yes homer was alomst as brrilliaaiant as heartistse lzozozozozo:

        HOMER’S ODYSSEY:

        “‘And I will tell you of all the wicked witchcraft that Circe will
        try to practise upon you. She will mix a mess for you to drink, and
        she will drug the meal with which she makes it, but she will not be
        able to charm you, for the virtue of the herb that I shall give you
        will prevent her spells from working. I will tell you all about it.
        When Circe strikes you with her wand, draw your sword and spring upon
        her as though you were goings to kill her. She will then be frightened
        and will desire you to go to bed with her; on this you must not point
        blank refuse her, for you want her to set your companions free, and
        to take good care also of yourself, but you make her swear solemnly
        by all the blessed that she will plot no further mischief against
        you, or else when she has got you naked she will unman you and make
        you fit for nothing.’ ”

        -http://classics.mit.edu/Homer/odyssey.mb.txt

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 7:58 pm Zombie Shane

        IN THE COMMENTS, leave samples and excerpts from the GREAT BOOKZ which teach game!!

        From the Cads -vs- Dads point of view, Jane Austen tried to warn her womynz about jerks like John Willoughby and George Wickham.

        [Heartiste: What’s interesting about this is that wiser women wouldn’t have to warn the others about jerks if women weren’t already naturally attracted to jerks. I mean, you don’t see women warning other women to stay away from reliable beta males. This is elementary logic that escapes feminists and manboobs.]

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 11:54 am Zombie Shane

        You can see the outlines of Game Theory and cuckholded-beta lamentation in the lyrics of the ancient Appalachian/Elizabethan folk song, “On Top of Old Smokey”:

        On top of Old Smokey
        All covered with snow,
        I lost my true lover
        For courting too slow.

        Now, courting is a pleasure
        And parting is grief,
        And a false-hearted lover
        Is worse than a thief.

        A thief will just rob you
        And take what you have,
        But a false-hearted lover
        Will lead you to the grave.

        And the grave will decay you
        And turn you to dust;
        Not one girl in a hundred
        A poor boy can trust.

        They’ll hug you and kiss you
        And tell you more lies
        Than the crossties on the railroad
        Or stars in the sky.

        So, come all you young maidens
        And listen to me,
        Never place your affection
        On a green willow tree.

        For the leaves they will wither,
        And the roots they will die,
        You’ll all be forsaken
        And never know why.

        On top of Old Smokey
        All covered with snow,
        I lost my true lover
        For courting too slow.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 5:40 pm Matthew King (King A)

        All of those quotes from GBFM seem intent on proving my point. Nothing on how to attract a girl.

        Some men need a glossy manual with pictures and graphs and bold “PAY ATTENTION TO THIS” clues in the text before they grasp a concept. Others can read tough stuff and exegese with ease. It depends on your level of training.

        So, sure, write “Game for Dummies” and instruction books for mass consumption. But if you are going to make claims about the deficiency of literature, you have to demonstrate you have a more discerning eye than Joe the AFC. Particularly if you want to contribute something truly original.

        What’s lost in the Mystery Monster Manual for Mating are the subtleties that put the “A” in “PUA.” Most men will have to sarge a hundred times a week before refining his art, but that puts the lie to the effectiveness of these straightforward A to B to C guides about “how to attract a girl.” Advanced social concepts cannot be expressed quantitatively or even in prose. They must be expressed through poetry, metaphor, example, and art. We learn more easily by, “Be like this guy,” than “Be like this and that and thus and so.”

        Every woman has the potential to throw a curveball. Therefore skills of improvisation and adapting on the fly become paramount. No man learns this by memorizing rules and research and probabilities and flow charts. The essence of pick-up artistry is one’s ability to reliably hit the curve.

        How you “attract a girl” today is not substantially different than it was a thousand years ago. Superficial analyses get lost in superficial details that are irrelevant. Man is, was, and always will be the active partner, woman the submissive, modern official bugaboos notwithstanding. It’s not rocket science to translate that knowledge, once truly gained, into working tactics applicable to any social milieu.

        You are mistaking your unfamiliarity with an idiom for absence of content. The solution is to become familiar with the idiom rather than believing each generation must reinvent the wheel.

        Matt

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 8:48 pm YaReally

        “Advanced social concepts cannot be expressed quantitatively or even in prose. They must be expressed through poetry, metaphor, example, and art.”

        lol IT’S TEH MAGICSSS!!! A woman can’t be understood because she is uncornsz!!!

        You should really stick to your race flame wars, you’re embarrassing yourself when you try to be an authority on game. There are tens of thousands of men doing exactly what you say can’t be done and there will be more in the future. You and the fantasy world you live in where seduction is magical and impossible for anyone who isn’t as fantastical and genius as you believe you are, are both ridiculous and one step up from LARPers running around drinking from chalices and talking in Ye Olde English.

        Keep doing your thing tho…I mean what’s the alternative, going out and actually talking to girls? Eewww!!

        P.S. please use “pipsqueak” in your inevitable reply, that one always makes me smile kthxbi

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 1:15 am Matthew King (King A)

        “Advanced social concepts cannot be expressed quantitatively or even in prose.”

        … There are tens of thousands of men doing exactly what you say can’t be done and there will be more in the future.

        Your prolix, ten-screen commentaries on “field reports” prove my point about the limits of prose.

        You have trouble following what I say. I’ll take half the blame for that. But that means your over-the-top caricatures about anyone who deviates from your dogma by an inch indicate you have no ability to pull your own weight in the struggle for communication.

        A woman can’t be understood because she is uncornsz!!! … You and the fantasy world you live in where seduction is magical and impossible for anyone who isn’t as fantastical and genius as you believe you are…

        Really, where do you come up with this random stuff? My guess is that they are vivid placeholders you use to fill in the gaps of your understanding. Which is fine. But don’t try using them for the grounds of a critique. You are only revealing how little you can process the prose you just now claimed “tens of thousands of men” are using to express advanced social concepts. Or in your confused hackery and misapprehension, did you not realize what assertions you were making claims against?

        Whatever you have to do to get to the all-purpose “going out and actually talking to girls” line, which you think is the trump card for every disagreement. It’s your imagined ace-in-the-hole that allows you to comment on arguments you can’t grasp. If you had a smidge of self-awareness, you’d realize it also comprises the arrogance that keeps you from rising above the habit of repeating tiresome niche wisdom to newbies.

        Matt

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 9:34 am YaReally

        You didn’t use “pipsqueak”. 😦

        “It’s your imagined ace-in-the-hole”

        I consider scientists who routinely build rockets that fly into space to have QUITE the ace-in-the-hole compared to the guy writing about how rocket science can only be explained through Shakespearean poetry and shits all over mathematical conversations with his endless bragging about how far above everyone’s head the magical unicorn advanced concepts are…as the former scientist waves hello at him from the rocket he built that he’s riding into space.

        lol maybe one day people will think you talking out of your ass about something you have no real practical experience in actually holds some weight. Try using more big words? That could fool them! In the meantime I’ll be over here routinely demonstrating that 2 + 2 = 4 while you keep trying to convince people 2 + 2 = UNICORN!!$MAGIC?%%$#<3 lol

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 7:07 pm Matthew King (King A)

        You are one pesky imbecile.

        Wait. Were those “big words” to you? Let me try again.

        You are fucking retarded.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 10:35 am YaReally

        oh look, an insult instead of pointing out why your opinion on modern social dynamics would hold any weight whatsoever.

        Color me shocked that you would post something that isn’t useful and has no point. As usual. lol

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 5:04 pm AlphaBeta

        “Those who know that they are profound strive for clarity. Those who would like to seem profound to the crowd strive for obscurity. For the crowd believes that if it cannot see to the bottom of something it must be profound. It is so timid and dislikes going into the water”

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 6:37 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        Keep on digging, little man. Game is more than just confidence, it’s a highly specific skill set. Saying, “Act like a Homeric hero” ain’t gonna cut it.

        From personal experience, given the choice between The Mystery Method and the entire Western Canon, a man who wants a pretty wife or a girlfriend had best go for The Mystery Method. Even Robert Greene who found inspirtation for his power book in Machiavelli, and for his strategy book in Sun Tzu, said that he basically had to start from scratch with his seduction book.

        A lot of the canon is actually counterproductive. Dante is the king of oneitis and he has had many, many followers.

        Having read most of the Canon, the most helpful works would be Madame Bovary and Casanova’s Memoirs. A sprinkle of Byron doesn’t hurt. Even Ovid advocates a kind of provider game (lots of presents):
        http://www.rooshv.com/more-book-reviews-9
        But that’s what worked in those days. It used to be the most efficient way to get a pretty woman was to get rich or go into a prestigious profession, so that’s what people focussed on. Duh.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 8:49 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzolzozolzolzolzolzolz

        you said “a man who wants a pretty wife or a girlfriend had best go for The Mystery Method. ”

        can you pleasez send us pictures of all da pretty wives and girlfliendz you havez?

        lzozozolzolzol you said “wife” lzzololzolzzol

        you said “girlfirend”

        allright then you can pay for what the GBFM got for free duringone night standz when it was hotter younger tighter lighter fifty pounds lighter.

        yes, you will taste the cum of the GBFM as you kiss your wifey wifey wearing your fur hat, while reading a book on game you have extended out just behind her head with yur left hand as you embrace her, so she can’st see you reading it.

        and den as womenz initiaite 85% of all divorcesz, she will get tired of your faux alpha act that masks a little beta butthole-longer and go back to da GBFM real thingz zlzlzlzolzololzolz

        hey fuktard–do you think that brad pitt readz green’s limp bookz on seduction? does kobe bryant? green is a good firendz of tucker max rhyems iwth goldman sax who buttcockz women in secterel tly taped sesissinsonzozznzzo and lies about his hieght and succeth so he can butthext more womenz zlzlzlozolzo

        is that mnanylzyz to u? lzozozzoz

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 9:32 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        Hey you stoooopopid fanboy fucktard!!!

        you wirtez: “From personal experience, given the choice between The Mystery Method and the entire Western Canon, a man who wants a pretty wife or a girlfriend had best go for The Mystery Method.”

        you said WIFE.

        WHO THE FUCK DEFINED “WIFE” YOU CRAZY FUCK?

        MOSES DEFINED WIFE AND MARRAIGE!!

        THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN DEFINED MARRAGAIGE AND TODAY all you little butthole pluggersz and wwankers run around and exalt mystery over MOSES and HOMER, and then you woneder why you have no wife and she has run off with your car house and kidz and left you to whaakckcicit zlzozozooz

        TH GRETA BOOKS FOR MEN are YOUR TRUE FATHERZ

        not tuker max rhemes with goldman sax the secrtive taper of buttehxt who lies about his height nor robert “fuck theheoric code of honor lets all be machiavllei fanboyz” greenz zlzozzlzlz

        it is time for MEN to MAN UP and reclaim their NOBLE EXALTED HERITAGE of THE GREATBOOKS FOR MENZ!!!!!!!!

        For as long as ye ignore the wisdom of tehancients the moral divine wisodm of the ancienetsz, then shall ye fail epicallaay zlzozlzloz

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 9:35 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        THE ANCIENTS HEROIC MOSES DEFINED THE TERM “WIFE:”
        http://www.womenintheancientworld.com/women%20and%20the%20law%20in%20ancient%20israel.htm
        WOMEN AND THE LAW IN ANCIENT ISRAEL

        The Ancient Hebrew law code outlined in the Bible unfortunately lacks the detail that can be found in other ancient legal systems such as the Babylonian and Roman, but we can at least summarize the general principles.
        1. Marriage was called “taking a wife”

        2. It involved sexual intercourse

        3. While there was no death penalty in Hebrew law for property crimes, adultery was a capital offence for both participants.

        4. Marriage and children were necessary to have a fulfilled life. A childless woman could call herself a mother by giving her maid-servant to her husband as a second wife (assuming, of course, the maid-servant did indeed produce a child).

        5. A widow had the right to marry her husband’s brother if he lived in the same town.

        6. Polygyny was permitted but uncommon.

        7. Divorce was easy for a man and impossible for a woman.

        8. Childlessness was the most common reason for divorce

        9. The woman moved to the husband’s home and family

        10. While the husband was clearly the boss, each expected love from the other and a wife had the legal right to support.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 10:13 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozozozooz

        yes ARISTOTLE knew nothing of womenz nor wifez lzozzozozozoz but only tucer max rheehymse with goldman sax knows because he knowns hot to butthext a womean and tape it in secteret which makes him a greater hero dan da GRETA BOOKS OF RMENZ zlzozozoz

        Aristotle: On a Good Wife,
        from Oikonomikos, c. 330 BCE

        A good wife should be the mistress of her home, having under her care all that is within it, according to the rules we have laid down. She should allow none to enter without her husband’s knowledge, dreading above all things the gossip of gadding women, which tends to poison the soul. She alone should have knowledge of what happens within. She must exercise control of the money spent on such festivities as her husband has approved—keeping, moreover, within the limit set by law upon expenditure, dress, and ornament—and remembering that beauty depends not on costliness of raiment. Nor does abundance of gold so conduce to the praise of a woman as self-control in all that she does. This, then, is the province over which a woman should be minded to bear an orderly rule; for it seems not fitting that a man should know all that passes within the house. But in all other matters, let it be her aim to obey her husband; giving no heed to public affairs, nor having any part in arranging the marriages of her children. Rather, when the time shall come to give or receive in marriage sons or daughters, let her then hearken to her husband in all respects, and agreeing with him obey his wishes. It is fitting that a woman of a well-ordered life should consider that her husband’s wishes are as laws appointed for her by divine will, along with the marriage state and the fortune she shares. If she endures them with patience and gentleness, she will rule her home with ease; otherwise, not so easily. Therefore not only when her husband is in prosperity and good report must she be in agreement with him, and to render him the service he wills, but also in times of adversity. If, through sickness or fault of judgement, his good fortune fails, then must she show her quality, encouraging him ever with words of cheer and yielding him obedience in all fitting ways—only let her do nothing base or unworthy. Let her refrain from all complaint, nor charge him with the wrong, but rather attribute everything of this kind to sickness or ignorance or accidental errors. Therefore, she will serve him more assiduously than if she had been a slave bought and taken home. For he has indeed bought her with a great price–with partnership in his life and in the procreation of children….Let her bethink herself how Alcestis would never have attained such renown nor Penelope have deserved all the high praises bestowed on her had not their husbands known adversity. To find partners in prosperity is easy enough; but only the best women are ready to share in adversity.Such then is the pattern of the rules and ways of living which a good wife will observe. And the rules which a good husband will follow in treatment of his wife will be similar; seeing that she has entered his home like a suppliant from without, and is pledged to be the partner of his life and parenthood; and that the offspring she leaves behind her will bear the names of their parents, her name as well as his. And what could be more divine than this, or more desired by a man of sound mind, than to beget by a noble and honored wife children who shall be the most loyal supporters and discreet guardians of their parents in old age, and the preservers of the whole house? Rightly reared by father and mother, children will grow up virtuous, as those who have treated them piously and righteously deserve that they should; but parents who observe not these precepts will be losers thereby. For unless parents have given their children an example how to live, the children in their turn will be able to offer a fair and specious excuse for undutifulness. Such parents will risk being rejected by their offspring for their evil lives, and thus bring destruction upon their own heads. Therefore his wife’s training should be the object of a man’s unstinting care; that so far as is possible their children may spring from the noblest of stock. For it is only by this means that each mortal, successively produced, participates in immortality; and that petitions and prayers continue to be offered to ancestral gods. So that he who thinks lightly of this would seem also to be slighting the gods. For their sake then, in whose presence he offered sacrifice and led his wife home, promising to honor her far above all others saving his parents, a man must have care for wife and children. Now a virtuous wife is best honored when she sees that her husband is faithful to her, and has no preference for another woman; but before all others loves and trusts her and holds her as his own. And so much the more will the woman seek to be what he accounts her. If she perceives that her husband’s affection for her is faithful and righteous, she too will be faithful and righteous towards him. Therefore it befits not a man of sound mind to bestow his person promiscuously, or have random intercourse with women; for otherwise the base-born will share in the rights of his lawful children, and his wife will be robbed of her honor due, and shame be attached to his sons.And it is fitting that he should approach his wife in honor, full of self-restraint and awe; and in his conversation with her, should use only the words of a right-minded man, suggesting only such acts as are themselves lawful and honorable. And if through ignorance she has done wrong, he should advise her of it in a courteous and modest manner. For of fear there are two kinds. The fear which virtuous and honorable sons feel towards their fathers, and loyal citizens towards right-minded rulers, has for its companions reverence and modesty; but the other kind, felt by slaves for masters and by subjects for despots who treat them with injustice and wrong, is associated with hostility and hatred. By choosing the better of all these alternatives a husband should secure the agreement, loyalty, and devotion of his wife, so that whether he himself is present or not, there may be no difference in her attitude towards him, since she realizes that they are alike guardians of the common interests; and so when he is away she may feel that to her no man is kinder or more virtuous or more truly hers than her own husband. And if the husband learns first to master himself, he will thereby become his wife’s best guide in all the affairs of life, and will teach her to follow his example.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 11:58 am Hugh G. Rection

        How many men would be interested in stories that solely revolve around getting some ordinary girl?

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 4:22 pm newyorker

      ‘Who needs game when you are a middle class farmer and your only chance with a girl is to convince her father you’d be a good husband’

      i wonder if maybe back then when women had less of or even no say in whom she married, cuckoldry was a lot more common. nowadays there is presumably love shared between spouses (at least at first) which would slow down succumbing to the temptation to garner better genes. guilt would work as well on non-psycopaths. how dare she even consider cheating on someone she married willingly with eyes wide open.

      now would a woman feel she owes her husband anything if he were just thrust upon her and she was indifferent to him or even repelled? not for nothing did the catholic church, not known as a liberal institution, declare long ago that forced marriage is no marriage at all, and indeed grounds for annulment. they understood that nothing but trouble would come from it.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:28 pm Jason

        +1

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:32 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        Maybe. But back then everybody knew everybody else and reputation mattered a lot more than it does in urban environments.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:35 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        In general, women in arranged marriages tend to be pretty happy with their husbands. The women tend to get a veto, which tends to weed out the most egregious betas and omegas.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm newyorker

        i agree that the veto power is essential to a marriage arranged by a matchmaker if it’s expected to be happy.

        it brings to mind the hasidic jews in brookyn who practice it, and there are few breakups among them. after the matchmaker vets likely matches they more or less go thru what evangelicals call courtship: a couple daytime dates in a public place to see if they get along. if not, each party moves on. very civilized. but these are not worldly people of course

        the horrendous indian custom where the spouses meet on their wedding day can’t result in a happy marriage that would satisfy westerners of either sex. where it does it may only mean that the spouses, at least the wives, don’t expect much of the other.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 5:34 pm newyorker

        it brings to mind the hasidic jews in brookyn who practice it, and there are few breakups among them. after the matchmaker vets likely matches they more or less go thru what evangelicals call courtship: a couple daytime dates in a public place to see if they get along. if not, each party moves on. very civilized. but these are not worldly people of course

        the horrendous indian custom where the spouses meet on their wedding day can’t result in a happy marriage that would satisfy westerners of either sex. where it does it may only mean that the spouses, at least the wives, don’t expect much of the other.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 5:17 pm Matthew King (King A)

      So, the game insights remained fragmentary.

      Pish posh. More from the Marxist school of progress where Everything Is New and Nothing From The Past Applies Anymore.

      Human nature is constant. When niche communities come up with neologisms for ancient concepts, that means the language and culture have changed, not necessarily the essence. If you need to comfort yourself with technical sciencey words like “hypergamy” to understand the nature of Eve in the Garden, then go for it. But don’t imagine you are pioneers. The arrogance that leads to deep ignorance of history allows superficial thinkers to fancy themselves novel.

      “Sexual intercourse began / In nineteen sixty-three …”

      “Originality” is preferred to truth. Cf. our “art” vs. the art of even a century ago.

      Of course the culture is in flux. But the individuals who live in every culture are cut from the same crooked timber as feudal lords, co-ed feminists, serfs, terrorists, kings, bureaucrats, peasants, prison inmates, and princesses. Feminism (and leftism in general) errs by imagining technology can overcome nature, when all it does is amplify what is already, inescapably there.

      Gaining a familiarity with “the best that has been thought and said” used to be the basis of education. The new pedagogy destroyed this idea under the weird assumption that “Behold, [Science] makes all things new!” Therefore ideas came to be thought of having expiration dates, and all wisdom from the past is obsolete, as new circumstances demand new thinking. We replaced literature with textbooks written by women with “educational science” degrees.

      Without a certain humility before our ancestors and a desire to learn from their trial and error, we are doomed to start at Year Zero with every generation and every individual, limiting ourselves to the cultural understanding of, at best, a single lifetime.

      All you need to know about game you can learn from Shakespeare. Or from the Book of Proverbs. If you cannot translate it into the modern idiom and thereby make its eternal wisdom practical, then you are not grasping that wisdom in the first place.

      Granted, not everyone can understand old expressions of wisdom. But those who make claims to “discovering” new ideas had better be. Because those ancient purveyors themselves acknowledge who came before them, and unlike the modern obsession with shiny new things, they drew from the experience of the dozens and hundreds of generations of men.

      Matt

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 6:08 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        Human nature is constant.

        You’re a fucking fool. I see you spraying your inane shit here every day.

        Women have never been so free from biological and material constraints as they are now. When things like that change, people change their behaviour. As I noted above, being a provider used to work, so there was less need for game. Now it doesn’t.

        All you need to know about game you can learn from Shakespeare.

        Bullshit. And this is coming from someone whose forgotten more Shakepeare than you’ll ever read.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 6:23 pm Greg Eliot

        His point was/is/remains that human nature doesn’t change too much, although the restrictions and governors put upon the less noble manifestations thereof do certainly ebb and flow throughout history.

        And even a cursory reading of merelyThe Taming Of The Shrew, let along some of The Bards other meaty lines, puts the bullshit to your “Bullshit”.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 6:40 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        So, all you need is to read “The Taming of the Shrew” to get pretty girls. Sorry, but that is bullshit. Not that it won’t give you some good lines.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 6:40 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        The “all you need” is from Matthew.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 6:46 pm Greg Eliot

        I’m pretty sure he didn’t not mean it in THAT binary a manner… nor did I say you only need to read TTOTS to “get pretty girls”… that was merely the first glaring example to be used as a gainsay to your “Bullshit” in re Shakespeare’s primers on ‘game’.

        FWIW, “game” in and of itself will not get you “pretty girls”… what it does is maximize your potential to score a mate (for the night or perhaps an actual relationship) that is a point or two above what your other assets would normally bring you.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 6:53 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        Stop apologizing for his inane bullshit. I’ll say it again, if you have to choose between The Mystery Method and the entire Western Canon you should choose The Mystery Method. Sometimes people actually do discover new things.

        P.S. An unemployed bum with game will often get prettier girls than some movie stars. Case in point this guy:

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 7:07 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        The modern era is a kind of natural experiment to see how women behave when they don’t have to consider what kind of father/provider a man is when choosing who to mate with. It ain’t your father’s world. Sexual attraction is now the sole criteria. That is a radical change.

        Here are some lyrics from Gracie Fields’ song Walter Walter to put this in perspective:

        Walter, Walter, lead me to the altar
        I don’t cost much to keep in food
        Walter-er, Walter, mother says you oughta
        So take me while she’s in the mood

        Walter, Walter, lead me to the altar
        And make all me nightmares come true
        Walter, Walter, lead me to the altar
        It’s either the workhouse or you.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 8:31 pm Matthew King (King A)

        The modern era is a kind of natural experiment to see how women behave when they don’t have to consider what kind of father/provider a man is when choosing who to mate with. It ain’t your father’s world. Sexual attraction is now the sole criteria. That is a radical change.

        Yes, it is a radical change. In the culture. Not in the nature of women.

        “Sexual attraction is now the sole criteria” only because we have allowed it under the idiotic (and now proved disastrous) rationale that such female behavior is liberating. What happens when “sexual attraction” becomes the “sole criteria”? Ghetto sexual apocalypse, mass bastardy, socially acceptable rape, the destruction of families, the ridicule of paternal order, and the pussification of men.

        You backhandedly advocate compromising with this dystopia precisely because you think a woman’s nature is different now. But Pick Up itself demonstrates the opposite: the very attempt to deny female nature by declaring it the equivalent of a man’s has become the vulnerability exploited by “red pill” actors maneuvering under the cover of official culture.

        Those of us who know these social cycles rise and fall in every age are not distracted by seeming novelty and therefore not as given to hysterics as you. We discern the consistency of nature which survives the ups and downs of culture, and therefore we understand that “naturam expellas furca, tamen usque revenit.” (“You can heave nature out with a pitchfork, and yet she will come back again.” — Horace)

        In other words, those who “choos[e] to mate” under the barbaric criteria of temporary sexual attraction do not have a say in the following generations, having given themselves over to a process of, at best, unreliable reproduction. Nature at first indulges these patterns before eradicating them through the perseverance of the fittest. Sure, plenty of lives are ground to viscera in under her pitiless maw, and that’s tragic for them. But what you call an experiment is already over, as we see in the non-replacement birth rates of the decadent west. Sluts do not beget sluts who crowd out the chaste. Sluts beget their own infertility, indignity, depression, and death, leaving a nullity behind. The age of contraception hasn’t overturned this natural cycle. It has accelerated it.

        Matt

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 8:59 pm immoralgables

        Easy bro King A. And Greg Eliot have been fucking on the regular so if you shit on one you’re shitting on both.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 12:39 am Greg Eliot

        You seem obsessed with the homoerotic… then again, what your words don’t betray, your hat makes perfectly clear.

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 1:27 am Greg Eliot

        Stop apologizing for his inane bullshit.

        Explanation and elucidation are not propitiation.

        Like so many others around here, you’re entitled to your own opinion… but not your own dictionary.

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 4:01 pm NiteLily

        “Easy bro King A. And Greg Eliot have been fucking on the regular so if you shit on one you’re shitting on both.”

        They’re bosom buddies aren’t they? Did you see how Eliot runs to the rescue? The guy is like the protector of the FORCE.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 8:02 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Human nature is constant

        You’re a fucking fool. I see you spraying your inane shit here every day. …

        Bullshit. And this is coming from someone whose forgotten more Shakepeare than you’ll ever read.

        Well, I didn’t see that spaz-out coming. WTF is it with you people?

        The only thing I can compare it to is beta frustration when others don’t behave as promised. They lose their shit all out of proportion with the controversy. You never see men who have confidence in their position reacting this way.

        “Human nature is constant” is not a terribly controversial statement. It is the essence of conservatism. If this is the best answer you have for conservatism — emotional flailing followed by naked assertions of superiority — it shows you’ve never allowed your foundational assumptions to be tested in a substantial way.

        So stop telling us about how well-read you are, and start demonstrating it. You come off as a skimmer, a Cliff’s Notes student of the great works, memorizing titles but absorbing none of their wisdom. Who but an insecure, English lit dropout claims they have “forgotten more Shakepeare [sic] than you’ll ever read”? Your trendy spitball attack on the Gods of the Copybook Headings might impress those who fall for name-dropping, but anyone who has more than a passing familiarity with “the best that has been thought and said” recognizes a sophist when they see one. Especially when a “little man” freaks out over the gentlest challenge.

        Dante is the king of oneitis…

        Indeed: the common man is better off with Mystery Markovic and Robert Dilettante Greene than your hilarious reductio ad absurdum of minds too expansive for you to fathom. Their works last to this day, infinitely replenishing upon each subsequent encounter and to millions of young men across every age. But because one of Dante’s themes sounds like a utilitarian PUA concept-du-jour, you judge his work an inferior product for modern purposes.

        Philistine. You are a monkey with just enough knowledge to know which books in the library to smear feces over for maximum vandalism. Yes, there are manuals for every practical need, from dating in this modern age to fixing the leak in your toilet. But the prissy assumption that proles beneath you can only absorb bullet lists and abbreviated tips is a commentary on your inferior station. The human mind responds to challenge, especially men, when they are sufficiently motivated and properly educated.

        Your Vo-Tech utilitarian approach dispenses with the idea of freedom itself, positive no one can handle it because you can’t handle it. An introduction to the deep concepts of human nature liberates men from the need for the step-by-step manuals to life that you are hawking. Those who look at The Divine Comedy and see more than “oneitis” are simply freer than you. They need less specific instruction and more general wisdom, because, as I said above, it’s not rocket science to translate that knowledge, once truly gained, into working tactics applicable to any social milieu. That’s the easiest part.

        So take your Robert Greene, and your PUA-approved translations of the classics, and go bang a thousand sluts with them. The rest of us know that cultural artifacts have an expiration date, and that the next generation will find them as useful as Valley of the Dolls and The Feminine Mystique. You’re so wrapped up in the idiosyncrasies of the beta version of game (Farrell, Jeffries, Markovic) that you have no input in 2.0, which has already debuted. To be a part of that project requires an ability to transcend the vicissitudes of the age, which requires a familiarity with the permanent things, which requires an education in the classics, which you only pretend to have.

        Matt

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 1:08 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        you will taste the cum of the GBFM as you kiss your wifey

        Somehow I’m just not terribly worried.

        skimmer

        You can go back to your chubby 6.5 now you lliterate namedropper.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 1:18 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        It wasn’t just me that has noticed how Dante didn’t know anything about women. He _didn’t_ get the girl. See if you can figure out where this is from:

        The only two that in my recollection
        Have sung of heaven and hell, or marriage, are
        Dante and Milton, and of both the affection
        Was hapless in their nuptials, for some bar
        Of fault or temper ruin’d the connection
        (Such things, in fact, it don’t ask much to mar):
        But Dante’s Beatrice and Milton’s Eve
        Were not drawn from their spouses, you conceive.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 1:25 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        Milton too didn’t know shit about women and his first (pretty) wife left him for being a bore. He also managed to alienate all his daughters. And Milton was plenty patriarchal, and plenty steeped in Shakespeare, Homer and the Bible too. Didn’t help though.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 6:26 pm Greg Eliot

        Whaddya think, Matt? Chinatown?

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 10:02 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Forget it, Jake. The worst are full of passionate intensity. Twerps who burn with the need to prove something to somebody.

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 7:19 am OlioOx

        See what King A is up to here? It’s the usual. Read the classics all you like, but if you don’t get out of them exactly what he thinks you should get out of them, then you’re obviously an inferior prole.

        King A is kind of my hobby these days, sort of like those periods one spends reading obsessively about circus freaks, famous deviants, ‘worst movies ever made’, Pee Wee Herman, etc.

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 9:20 am pdwalker

        You are a monkey with just enough knowledge to know which books in the library to smear feces over for maximum vandalism.

        I’m stealing that line. It’s a complete gem of an insult. I can stop laughing.

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 9:22 am pdwalker

        Can = can’t.

        Damn autocorrect

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 6:22 pm Glengarry

      Like so many old guys with young wives of yore, King Arthur was a cuckold. Some sort of seduction took place. (It may have been Lancelot, or perhaps YaReally.) Maybe he should have read Athol Kay.

      Here’s an old neg, knight to lady.

      “Tell me, lady, do you have any hair between your legs?”
      (Indignantly) “Certainly not, sir.”
      “I believe you, lady, for no grass grows on a well-trodden path.”

      Thus the refinement of nobility.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 6:30 pm Greg Eliot

        Great playful neg for the shaved generation.

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 10:06 pm DarkTriad

      It’s a little more extreme than that. – (Our) Game hardly mattered because men were chosen by dad, not by these young ladies at all. At the very least, they had to be dad-approved to be in the running. Lots of game in classical literature, it’s all just Dad Game like warfare, or being the best at something.

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  3. on January 10, 2013 at 2:53 pm Flavia

    Anecdotally, this has always been my experience. The uglier of my female friends have always been the sluttiest ones, with the biggest slore ever being my only overweight friend. I literally have had to pry her off of 5’2 sweaty pot bellied creeps twice her age (sorry guys) at night clubs.

    I think this is the case with some guys too. It is only men (in relationships) of low value who I see being very indiscreet and chasing women. Of course men of all value are prone to cheat, but it seems the betas will jump at any chance, whereas alphas are a bit more selective and secretive.

    It makes perfect sense. Of course if you’re an ug you are going to jump at the chance to move up in the mate market. Chances like that probably come around once in a blue moon, so there is a greater justification for taking advantage of the opportunity. Furthermore, it is more likely you (being low value) got a low value mate.

    Better looking women, if they are sufficiently chaste and intelligent are able to get a very high value man, so there is a less desire to ruin a perfectly good set-up for some dalliance. Also, and I am speaking from experience and also from what my good looking friends tell me….we already know you want to fuck us. So the ego boost that some of these uggos get is already de-facto without having to actually put out. Lastly, better looking women are not as easily woo-ed as ugly girls, as they have had more exposure to positive attention.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 4:18 pm Sidewinder

      Agree and disagree. Definitely agree with the chubby, less than hot, college slut. I’ve known a few. Some become known by how many random guys they’ve blown.

      But there are a lot of hot girl sluts too. This is obviously an overgeneralization, but this is how I rate the sluttiness of girls according to their hotness:

      below 5: who cares
      5-6: huge sluts
      7-8: have had boyfriends, but not necessarily slutty
      8.5-9: so many boyfriends since age 15 that they have slut-like notch counts, if not outright sluts.

      I also think the hotties may be sluttier because they actually enjoy sex more, being sexy themselves, and having their pick of sexy men.

      [Heartiste: You’re onto something about there being plenty of hot sluts, as long as we expand the definition of slut to include serial relationships seasoned with the occasional whore’s night out. My take:

      below 3: few sluts, because few obligers. even desperate men have minimal standards.
      3-5: lot of sluts, but quality of slutty interactions very low. Lots of chicks who have given nasty dudes bjs in bathrooms in this group.
      6-7: fair amount of sluts, but more slutty escapades in the form of short flings rather than one night stands. quality of men higher.
      8-9: fewer conventional sluts (not as many short flings and ONSs) but plenty of nontraditional sluts (chicks who bounce from one BF to the next).
      10: Unknown quantity. Some Secret Society sluts purported to exist, who trade a small select pool of alpha males amongst each other.

      Hotties probably do enjoy sex more than fugs, for the reason you give. They also have sex with more desirable men, so that too makes the sex more enjoyable for them. However, I don’t think this translates into an indiscriminate desire for sex with lots of men who won’t stick around. Are hotties more faithful than fugs? It’s a question for the ages, and this study suggests they are.]

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:58 pm Anon

        Possible interpretations of the study:

        1. Hotties are more socially astute, i.e., skilled in the arts of deception and social climbing. Ergo, they may be more prone to lying about slutitude on surveys. Fatties have nothing to lose by admitting their willingness to be easy.

        OR

        2. Hotties can get higher value males easily. Someone who already has what they want is likely to shop around.

        [Heartiste: I think you meant to write “less likely to shop around”. Women aren’t like men, who crave variety for its own sake.]

        OR

        3. Fatties have lower standards, ergo more suitable suitors (i.e., any cock will do). Hotties have higher standards, ergo less suitable suitors.

        My vote is for #1.

        Regardless, wasn’t there a study that said high female IQ correlates to higher cheating? That contradicts CH’s last point: pretty women have higher IQs and are more faithful.

        [I remember that study. But smart woman != high value woman. A high value woman, first and foremost, is a hot woman. Smarts may correlate with her hotness, but the defining trait of her high value is her beauty. And she knows it.]

        In any event, my guess is the best predictor is HIGH testosterone + opportunity.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 5:50 pm gaoxiaen

        In my experience, a smarter woman is more able to work out the logistics of not getting caught cheating. That’s why they’re knocking on the door at 6:30 in the morning or coming over in the afternoon for a “coffee date” (which has a whole other meaning here in Taiwan).

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 9:05 am Flavia

        A (pretty) smart woman might also have a sufficiently high value husband that cheating on him carries a great risk.

        Personally, I would never EVER EVER cheat on my husband, not even with a fling with Robert Pattinson. Why? He is of very high value, so the cost of the fling is very high. It is also partly the reason I stay fit and generally looking put together. I value my mate.

        Also, I love the dude 🙂

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 9:11 am Lara

        I think you once said your husband would completely write you off if he found out you had cheated on him. If he is worth keeping in your life, that kind of understanding can scare a woman into being faithful.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 10:12 am Flavia

        @Lara

        Right. That is what I meant by “the cost”. The cost is him. Our relationship is far too valuable to risk losing.

        I don’t even “get” flirting, frankly. I don’t see the point if you’re married. I don’t find it fun, I find it uncomfortable. And I feel very bad for the man making the move. How do you let him down? Isn’t it presumptuous? I try to avoid those situations, they just fluster me…maybe b/c I didn’t have many men in my family.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 10:24 am Kate

        Good for you, Flavia. Flirting with married people is unsavory. It might make one look cold or like a poor sport, but its not worth touching. Georgia Rule.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 12:47 pm Flavia

        I think some people enjoy the thrill of it….or the attention. It just makes me nervous….lol. Sometimes I wish I knew how to flirt, but when I try I feel disingenuous. It’s a strange social experiment though- when i have forced myself to do it- it’s incredible how men react.

        Blogs like this always state women are attention whores- and that is true- but men sure are whores for the attention of women- regardless of how minimal or fake it is.

        Nice blog, btw, I’ll have to follow.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 1:57 pm Kate

        Thanks 🙂 If I’m going to have a reader, maybe I should put something new up!

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 2:30 am stan

        I’ve been hearing a lot about this guy. All the ladys’ seem gaga for him but goddamn this mofo is ugly (I googled him. Btw no homo). I guess this is a case of social value cuz in reality this dude would be broke ass backwards working at walmart.

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 9:27 pm ManlyMan

        What’s the difference between a rooster and a slut?

        A rooster says “cock a doodle do” and a slut says “any cock’ll do”.

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 10:01 pm Anonymous

        The first time I heard that one, I laughed so hard I wound up kicking the bars out of my crib.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 12:08 pm thwack

        10: Unknown quantity. Some Secret Society sluts purported to exist, who trade a small select pool of alpha males amongst each other.
        ————————————————-

        Yo H, thats sounds uni-cornish to me; but I know the opposite of it exists. The rock stars, actors, atheletes… pass around and share girls who have a track record of keeping their mouths shut, not following you home… this is how tiger woods fucked up.

        Think about it?

        A hot girl who is known to be able to “be quiet” can make a career out of fucking celebrity men and living quite well by being “on call”.

        They never have to pay for anything.

        Its not a ho, its not a slut; its a groupie.

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  4. on January 10, 2013 at 3:17 pm Lucky White Male

    Interesting, so we can say that since low value men are most likely to be involved with low value women:

    Low value men are most likely to be cuckolds. A conclusion most of us surmised already. Gives credence CH, to your post on Mate Guarding being beta behavior, because Alphas and Sigmas feel no worry their concubines would cheat on them.

    [Heartiste: That’s right! Mate guarding behavior is a beta tell.]

    Interesting point on the Muscles. Over at Rollo’s he claims the most choice women – 18-24, DO what basically looks, and raw physicality along with social dominance as the sexual triggers quickest to get them into bed. He claims after 25 they start looking for more of the provider value traits.

    [I agree, with some minor caveats, that women older than early 20s start to put more emphasis on a potential mate’s provider ability.]

    I’m not sure about this. Krauser claims his target group of 21- 24 year olds, half of them want looks, but the other half want “gravitas” – manliness.

    [Looks, gravitas and dominance are all part of the constellation of traits that signal the presence of an alpha male. Provider and stability cues are traits of the beta male. So I don’t see the need for drawing stark distinctions between early 20s girls who prefer gravitas and those who prefer looks. They’re all kind of mixed together. I will agree with Krauser that women vary in the strength of their preferences for looks, gravitas and dominance, so if a man is very ugly, he would be wise to actively screen for girls who place less emphasis on his looks and more on his charisma or similar attractive non-looks traits.]

    So I’d agree that muscles play a role but not the main trigger for high quality young chicks

    [Every man of every age should hit the gym regardless, because the T rise from lifting will imbue him with a masculine vitality and a feeling of self-confidence that will redound to the effectiveness of his interactions with women, and to his motivation to approach women for sex. These are positive developments whether muscularity itself is a turn-on or not for women.]

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 5:24 pm MarkII

      “A conclusion most of us surmised already. Gives credence CH, to your post on Mate Guarding being beta behavior, because Alphas and Sigmas feel no worry their concubines would cheat on them.”

      That’s pure hubris; there’s always a bigger alpha.

      [Heartiste: Degree and exigency of threat matter. An alpha male may have alphas above him, but for all practical purposes he has less to worry about from his smaller pool of competitors than the beta male has from his much larger pool of competitors.]

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  5. on January 10, 2013 at 3:24 pm happycrow

    Married a high-value 8 with longevity after walking away from a 10 who’s by now probably a hard 7. Her line is “alpha wolves mate for life.”

    While that probably gets no love in general, it’s been interesting to see that over the last 15 years or so, she’s actually walked the walk; rather than trying to treat me like a beta herb, she’s actually VERY sensitive to criticism intended to improve the overall quality of the relationship.

    I don’t see any problem with the committed-beta (happily-married alpha, whatever) lifestyle, but fundamentally it’s predicated upon finding and landing a high-value woman. As anti-man feminism finally croaks, hopefully that’ll become an easier process.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 4:04 pm Hugh G. Rection

      Why did you want to get married?

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:26 pm Jason

        Because the game gets old; you see all the tricks.

        And then you meet one who’s clearly heads-and-shoulders above the rest. It’s not really a decision — more a sudden awareness that you’ve just reached your own personal apex. You sense that everything else will taste of denouement. So you jump in the foxhole.

        Of course, I might have a different reply in thirty years.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:47 pm happycrow

        Because getting laid like tile showed me that beautiful women are a dime a fucking dozen. Much like what Jason said. While I like a good squirt like the next guy, after a while it’s like “and I wasted six hours on this chick??” I walked away from the 10, literally, when she was begging me to stay and screw her again, because at the end of the day, she just had nothing interesting to say.

        Contrasted to the 8 — traditionally raised (virgin actually, but I viewed that as a *negative* at the time), Ph.D. in a field I care about and publish in, wildly compatible hobbies, professionally trained cook/majordomo, not only had interesting things to say, but we argue *constantly* and without rancor, and still do. And a hard 8, too, which is more than pretty enough for me (in fact, the best ongoing sex I ever had in my life was with a “butterface” 4, so while I grade quite harshly on beauty, I never let it get in the way of a relationship).

        In other words, call it the winning lottery ticket, but I found my match — if she, God forbid, got hit by a bus, I could have my bed warm in a week or so, but I couldn’t replace this girl: I’d need to combine like any six other women I was screwing just to get close, and in the words of the Great Turqsidian Muse, “fuck THAT noise.” So as far as I’m concerned, there comes a time when you gotta say “okay, I’m off the Ferris Wheel,” and any man who can’t do that when the time comes is a fool.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 4:35 am Hugh G. Rection

        I’m not hating on your woman, I just don’t see the benefits of a marriage license.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 5:27 pm happycrow

        The license, as opposed to the relationship? Meh. But given that she’s Hungarian and I’m a Texan, it DID make it a hell of a lot easier to get her over here.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 10:40 pm DarkTriad

        “it DID make it a hell of a lot easier to get her over here.”

        Hey, a guy actually got something out of his marriage license for a change. He’s way ahead of the game already

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 4:09 pm NiteLily

        @Huge G Reaction
        In his case there is benefit because he is getting what he wants out of life and this relationship with this woman. Also, from what he said previously about their life together, it sounds like he is in the driver’s seat. Win win!

        @DarkTriad
        If he’s happy, of course he’s way ahead of the game. Most of the guys here don’t sound as happy as he is, therefore, I’d say he’s way ahead.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 5:45 pm Kate

        “any man who can’t do that when the time comes is a fool.”

        Agreed.

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 4:04 pm NiteLily

        wow! Happycroe, yours is one of the best posts on the Chateau in a long time. I especially like when you say, “I couldn’t replace this girl: I’d need to combine like any six other women I was screwing just to get close, and in the words of the Great Turqsidian Muse, “fuck THAT noise.”’ So cool. I’d say you’re in love and part of the reason is that she was a virgin and didn’t have a man before you. As a result you feel more free to pour your love into her because she is truly yours. I love hearing your story every time, ‘cause each time you add another tidbit of info.

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 4:27 pm Jumbobeef

        >I’d say you’re in love and part of the reason is that she was a virgin and didn’t have a man before you.

        Are we dreaming of a prince charming like Happycrow, remember he is a PUA so would you accept a PUA Boyfriend and have sex with him because this virgin did have sex with happycrow.

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  6. on January 10, 2013 at 3:49 pm jack

    in before yareally accuses CH of having a maddona whore dichotomy

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  7. on January 10, 2013 at 3:59 pm ‘Reality’ Doug

    I don’t think more attractive women are less likely to cheat as a causal rule. It’s a side effect. Women with high value men are less likely to cheat because they are unlikely to acquire better sperm. I expect a beautiful woman with an ugly rich guy with great game would cheat because, instinctively, she ‘knows’ sperm quality. It would be usual for a high market value woman to want to stay with a low value man, maybe impossible, but the causality for cheating likelihood is not, IMHO, the woman’s high market value.

    [Heartiste: I think the cost-benefit theory of sexual market economics explains a lot: hot babes who are more likely to be in LTRs with high value men also have more to lose should they decide to scratch a vaginal itch and cheat with another man. Ugly chicks with betas and omegas pay a smaller cost should they cheat on their lackluster hubbies and get caught. For one, those beta schlubs are less likely to dump their cheating fug wives because they know they have limited options in women. Let this be a lesson: Life is a lot better as a man when you have options!]

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 4:30 pm thwack

      What does this have to do with race?

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  8. on January 10, 2013 at 4:00 pm collapseofman

    Gangestad rules.

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  9. on January 10, 2013 at 4:11 pm Anonymous

    “PPPS One other thing I would point out is that low mate value and IQ likely correlate. A beautiful woman is likelier to be smarter, and hence more conscientious and less impulsive (all these positive, K-selected personality traits correlate with IQ) than an ugly woman. ”

    Makes sense when you look at how the lower classes are way more likely to give birth out of wedlock, divorce or never marry at all compared to the educated and wealthy.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 4:24 pm The Man Who Was . . .

      High IQ and attractiveness correlate, but only up to a point. The sweet spot is probably in the 120s.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 4:32 pm thwack

        Hot smart woman = Bigfoot

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 5:39 pm Simon Corso

        They are difficult to find… but not a myth.

        Try your local campus or hospital.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 6:09 pm gaoxiaen

        Or teach at a university.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 4:28 am bob

        Make sure your game is fucking tight first, because you’ll need it.

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  10. on January 10, 2013 at 4:37 pm Beefy Levinson

    Off topic, but too good not to share: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/author-says-my-book-is-lie-head-case-alisa-valdes/

    “What I mean by this is that while I set out to write a memoir that was a love letter to a man I was deeply in love with, a man who challenged me in myriad ways, a man who changed my life profoundly, a man I respected and honored greatly at the time, what I actually wrote was a handbook for women on how to fall in love with a manipulative, controlling, abusive narcissist. The fascinating thing about the release of the book, for me, has been just how many reviewers have seen what I failed to see when I wrote the book: That the cowboy was controlling and abusive. I simply never saw it then. I admired and nearly worshipped the man. One reviewer described her disappointment in having learned that I was still with him at the end of the book, saying that she could not help but to think of cult members as she read my adoring account of a man who, to her eyes and through nothing but my journalistic descriptions of his interactions with me, was obviously a domineering abuser. It hurts to read reviews like that, but it is also empowering for me now. See, while I didn’t understand just what kind of man I’d fallen for at the start, and during the writing of the book, the longer we were together the more obvious it became.”

    lzozozozlzolz

    She took down the post on her personal blog, which is a shame since it confirmed much of what I’ve learned at the Chateau.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 5:18 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      zlzozozozoz

      pretty much every post these days containz eitehr

      “lzozozozlzolz” which is proeperly spelledz as “lzozlzozlzozllzozllzzlzozllzzlozl”
      or
      “buttext” which is peopeerly spelled as “buuzuztzzztehetxtxtdd zlzozllzlzozl”

      good to see opele man themanipsher tryingz!!!!!

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 4:38 am Hugh G. Rection

      Here is the TL;DR: “I’m a total fucking loser, it’s so empowering.”

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 5:19 am Entitled Dos user

      Another victim of fabricated conceptual associations, of mere ideas. Controlling = bad. Manly = abusive. Charming, witty, attractive = manipulative. Confidence, love for yourself = narcissism. Narcissism = bad.

      Feminist culture is psychotic nonsense AND destroys happiness. What a wonderful thing. I think drug companies are missing an opportunity right there.

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  11. on January 10, 2013 at 4:39 pm wfprice

    There are two forms of cuckoldry, IMO. One is the dishonest kind, where the woman secretly gets pregnant by another man while married, and the other is the “honest” kind where she first becomes a single mom then finds a beta provider.

    It’s hard to say which is worse, because in “honest” cuckoldry she gets to sponge off two men simultaneously, and both men (and the kids) are consciously aware of what she’s done. If you include both kinds of cuckoldry together, the contemporary rate of cuckoldry is higher than it’s ever been, and women are consistently rewarded for it to everyone else’s detriment.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 5:13 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      amen to that!

      and if ye include the fact that one only had sex in marriage and that sex basically = marriage in the bible, the divorce rate is far, farhigher these dayz.

      what they shoulld do is have a minister at the exit of clubsz who could marry the couple on their way home before they fuckclzlzozlzllzlzed .

      then when you married a womanzshe could tell you dat this is her 54th marriage (and 17th butthextual marriage) zlzllzlzlzlzloz

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 5:56 pm newyorker

        hehehe

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 8:17 pm stevie tellatruth

        Ha! GBFM is the truth!!!!!!

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 6:02 pm newyorker

      that’s harsh. the guy marrying the single mom is going in with eyes open. i doubt you can condemn it as cuckoldry since no deception is involved, but even if you could, wouldn’t that be making the perfect the enemy of the good?

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 5:21 am Days of Broken Arrows

        “the guy marrying the single mom is going in with eyes open.”

        In theory he his. But when you step back and look at what’s happens to society as opposed to what it was 100 years ago, his eyes are only open to the now. He has no idea of the larger context he’s operating in — and why his choice has even come to this. He won’t learn it from TV or newspapers.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 5:27 am gunslingergregi

        exactly he really doesn’t know what the fuck about to happen unless he has some experience with it but yea all bad make the bitch give up her kids for you is only way to go.
        Otherwise you got the babies daddy in your life and shit and fuck that.
        give those kids up make new ones if ya got to have her

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 10:47 pm DarkTriad

        No deception? Society endlessly tells men that single moms are the martyrs of 21st century, not the root of half our social ills…and their own problems. It’s extremely hard to make na infromed decision when being hammered with this kind of propaganda.

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  12. on January 10, 2013 at 5:06 pm Revo Luzione

    Excellent analysis, Lord Sith. I am duly impressed that you processed this decent sized chunk of data with alacrity. It made the rounds this AM, and you’ve spit out a healthy chunk of wit and wisdom by the early afternoon.

    My favorite line today was the visuals:
    “If you’re the type of person who enjoys aesthetic ornamentation on your dose of ugly truths, it helps to read this stuff while imagining a bulbous, half cyborg Cacodemon God of Biomechanics enthroned in the void firmament belching lube and smoke from his clanking flesh gears, cruelly laughing from his cosmic perch at his insignificant experimental human subjects toiling on earth below.”

    I lol’ed–The Cacodemon laughs in your face!! Great image.

    Two important points deserve to be highlighted here: One, this study, in a roundabout way demonstrates that game is an evolutionarily appropriate, eugenic practice that is in every way beneficial for mankind, if only because it enables smart, driven men to regain hand in an otherwise dysgenic (read: feminist) sociosexual landscape, allowing us to mate with the highest value women. Now just because you CAN allow that mating process to result in childbirth doesn’t mean that you WILL, but that’s another story entirely.

    The second point comes via an study widely reported today–that the US has the dead-last (heh) life expectancy for people under age 50 in industrialized nations. America’s young people are dying early, much earlier than in any of the other 17 industrialized nations. Source:
    http://www.iom.edu/Reports/2013/US-Health-in-International-Perspective-Shorter-Lives-Poorer-Health.aspx

    This is illustrative of the reason that dating in the US is so cutthroat, why there are so many poor quality women, why game is a necessity, and why, despite being a government-dominated shithole of ugly, entitled women, and cowering beta men, Washington, DC, continues to expand and “thrive” like Roseanne Barr at the Hostess factory, if you can call bloated, ugly entitlement to be thriving.

    Corporate crony capitalism has destroyed the free market, and with it, the health and well-being of the population. Phenotypic expression is constantly assessing the environment via nutritional and social cues, and modulating gene expression (and behavior) to best adapt to the sensory input. It’s obvious that the nutritional input in America is shit, which may actually be somewhat substantial compared to our social culture. With this crumbling environment, there is only so much adaptive capacity to go around, and those with sub-par genetics and resources simply fall off the back of the wagon, into the grave. If living a long, happy life after having a bunch of well-adjusted kids (and thusly lots of sex) defines winning, taking an early dirt nap is losing.

    The irony: the totally butthexed social environment that has been created in the US is creating a strong set of selection pressures, both natural and sexual. Maybe, just maybe, the humans that are left standing after the whole shithouse goes up in flames, maybe those humans will be smarter, stronger, sexier, and healthier, than their ancestors. At this rate, I don’t see how they couldn’t be.

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  13. on January 10, 2013 at 5:16 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

    Corporate crony capitalism (lzozozl spearheadd by the modern, immoral berannkiifed MBA/JD butthexted womenz) has destroyed the free market, and with it, the health and well-being of the population. Phenotypic expression is constantly assessing the environment via nutritional and social cues, and modulating gene expression (and behavior) to best adapt to the sensory input. It’s obvious that the nutritional input in America is shit, which may actually be somewhat substantial compared to our social culture. With this crumbling environment, there is only so much adaptive capacity to go around, and those with sub-par genetics and resources simply fall off the back of the wagon, into the grave. If living a long, happy life after having a bunch of well-adjusted kids (and thusly lots of sex) defines winning, taking an early dirt nap is losing.

    The irony: the totally butthexed (methinkz it is spelled buttehxtxttehed>?) social environment that has been created in the US is creating a strong set of selection pressures, both natural and buttsexual.

    zlzlzoooz

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  14. on January 10, 2013 at 5:21 pm And Balls

    Study shows thin male jurors more likely to find fat female defendants guilty.
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/01/10/no_justice_for_fat_women_male_jurors_more_likely_to_find_obese_women_guilty.html

    The authoress has some inneresting explanations for this result. I personally think that the obese woman has devalued her best asset, she has willfully lowered her own value. Why should I place any value in her at all? Why should I place any faith in her innocence?

    Alternatively, its not that she’s on trial for check fraud (like in the study) but I’m putting her on trial for letting herself become obese. Guilty!
    Guilty of being an eyesore, guilty of robbing men of the pleasure of a slender woman, guilty of raising fat shitty spawn!

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 4:40 am Hugh G. Rection

      There was already a study like that with a fake court case and pretty and ugly actors. The case was set up in such a way that the facts were inconclusive, and it was always the same case. Guess who got acquitted more.

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  15. on January 10, 2013 at 5:45 pm yaser

    OT:

    This is a SCUM manifest inspired piece, put together by swedes, with tax payer funding.

    wow.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 6:51 pm Greg Eliot

      That’s just flat-out weird… and a good argument for keeping them in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 11:08 pm thwack

        attention whore scum.

        Reminds me of the stuff girl musicians must do to compensate for the fact they can’t play their instruments.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 12:39 pm Hugh G. Rection

        Yeah, there aren’t many ugly female singers, and not many female celebrities over 40.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 11:18 pm Neecy

      WHAT.IN.THEEEEE.FOCK.!!!????? 😯

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 6:58 pm Glengarry

      It looks like they still needed a bit of male help to, you know, shoot the video and produce and stuff.

      As The Onion put it, “Man Finally Put In Charge Of Struggling Feminist Movement”.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 8:46 pm yaser

        lol – good catch

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 9:38 pm scatmaster

      That and it is shown to elementary school kids.

      They were outed by AVFM last year.

      http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/activism/the-radical-truth-about-josefin-von-zeipel-segerberg/

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  16. on January 10, 2013 at 5:56 pm taterearl

    “Better yet, don’t even bang a low value woman.”

    I was hoping you would say this one day. The only reason these harpies even have any shred of self esteem during their slut phase is because players bang them. If guys stopped having sex with the 80% of women that don’t deserve a dick, they’d either shape up or double down and become cat shelters. Either way win-win for guys.

    So instead of anger banging the fugs, single moms, fatties, sluts, golddiggers, feminists, and women that hate men…let them have the forced celibacy. I myself prefer filet mignon over a greasy hamburger.

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 1:56 am Ace Haley

      “If guys stopped having sex with the 80% of women that don’t deserve a dick” LMAO

      “So instead of anger banging the fugs, single moms, fatties, sluts, golddiggers, feminists, and women that hate men…let them have the forced celibacy.”

      You’re pretty much summing up all women or at least something close. And as for that last sentence, they can have their celibacy but that type of thing will never as frustrating to a woman as it is to a guy.

      You have 1 Andrea Dworkin for every millions of possible Sodinis

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 2:04 am taterearl

        “They can have their celibacy but that type of thing will never as frustrating to a woman as it is to a guy.”

        Until they get the instinct to be a mother.

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  17. on January 10, 2013 at 5:57 pm Kate

    When reading Hamlet, the man to watch is Fortinbras. He is the alpha. Sometimes his plotline is cut out of the performance (as in the Mel Gibson movie) but that is missing the entire point. In the play, three men (Hamlet, Laertes, and Fortinbras) all attempt to avenge their father’s death. Hamlet procrastinates, Laertes is too impatient, and Fortinbras leads an army and comes out the victor. Its not about what happens to us that makes us who we are but how we deal with it.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 8:18 pm Jason

      Love’s Labour’s Lost is a personal Shakespeare favorite — a battle of the sexes, three guys v three girls, all using sophisticated wordplay.

      It’s not very accessible to modern audiences though.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 8:31 pm Kate

        That is one I have not read, but it sounds right up my alley. Thanks!

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  18. on January 10, 2013 at 6:21 pm seraph235@gmail.com

    Hey, GBFM!

    Little constructive criticism on the website…the thin white text on black background is a deal breaker. I tried reading the post, but got eye-strain in about the first 10 seconds. Just sayin…

    Seraph

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 6:27 pm Greg Eliot

      Colleges charge tuition… guilds require apprenticeship… if’n ya wants ta grow wise off the GBFM’s bon mots, ya gots ta work for it.

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 11:08 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      lzozozozl dat is because I am using the HEMINGWAY THEME on my wordpress!!! lzozlzlzozoz

      THE FIAT BUTTHEXT MATRIX COMMEMERATIVE POSTER:

      lzozozozlzozo

      http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/the-first-panacea-for-a-mismanaged-nation-is-inflation-of-the-currency-the-second-is-war-both-bring-a-temporary-prosperity-both-bring-a-permanent-ruin-but-both-are-the-refuge-of-political-and-eco/

      n dante’s inferno the fiat masters were in teh same level of hell as teh butthexers!!! i ma not making this up!!! omg lzozllzlzlz

      lozlzlzlzlzlozlzllzllz

      “The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists. lozllzozlzlzllz!! –Ernest Hemingway”

      the fiat masters were right next to the butthexers lzozlzlzl!!!

      (14), Sodomy (15-16), Usury (17)

      no wonder they hate the greta books in colleges lzozlzlzllz and prefer tucker max sodomites lzozlzl

      http://danteworlds.laits.utexas.edu/circle7.html#violence

      “those who violate nature, God’s offspring (sodomites: Inferno 15-16); and those who harm industry and the economy, offspring of nature and therefore grandchild of God (usurers: Inferno 17). Identifying the sins of these last two groups with Sodom and Cahors (Inf. 11.49-50), Dante draws on the biblical destruction of Sodom (and Gomorrah) by fire and brimstone (Genesis 19:24-5) and the medieval condemnations of citizens of Cahors (a city in southern France) for usury. Dante’s emotional reactions to the shades in the seventh circle range from neutral observation of the murderers and compassion for a suicide to respect for several Florentine sodomites and revulsion at the sight and behavior of the lewd usurers. ”

      lolzozlzlzozozlzlzlzozlzzlzlzzozlzlz neocons hate dantes infrmnoo oolzozlzl

      the raison dat h and i gets along so wells is dat i play the striaght man to his funniness lzozlzllz

      like he talks about all teh light hearted subjsted like game and betaherb h8ers lzozlzlz and i cover all teh dark things descening into hell like dante did in the inferno and shuddering at all teh secretive tapers and tapinsg off butthex underway.

      hey you know whas funny?

      i dant’es inferno the usuers were in the same level as heel as the butthexers.

      while unlike real men like ernest hemingway and thomas jefefrson and ludwig von mises, tim ferriss and tucker max and jonah goldberg and charlotte allen never speak out against fiat currencies and their fed and butthex lololollzozlzllz and in fact hype and promote it lzozlzlzlzl alongside unsubstantiaed fiat lies serving the fiat masters of ny including trying to pass tucker max off as a six foor tall butthsecual hero when he’s s ahort short butthexer douchetard, it will interest you to knows that throughout histroy the greatest of teh greats, who teh fiat masters must take down on a diakly baisis lzozllzzllzlz always were cirticital of the immorality adn seeidness and sin of theft via fiat inflation and fiat butthexing the poeple lzozllzlzlzlzlzlz.

      i just want u guys to know taht there was a time when conservatism and manhood and turh and honor were baout the ocnstitution and the classics and honesty and the gold standrad and not about butthex and welath transfer to the fiat cabal via the fmeinist movement which exisst to sezie property from men while destorying and sdeosuling womenz menz and childrenz so that tehre is more business for teh neocon drugg gcompaniesl zlzozllz

      but anayways here’s yas goes–proof that great men once did walk this earth though the eneocns sell us trucker max and tim ferriss and jonah goldberg as ther master alphas when they are jyust master betas lzolzlzlzlzlozlzl

      The directors of such companies (joint-stock corporations), however, being the managers rather of other people’s money than of their own, it cannot well be expected, that they should watch over it with the same anxious vigilance with which the partners in a private copartnery frequently watch over their own …. Negligence and profusion, therefore, must always prevail, more or less in the management of the affairs of such a company? –Adam Smith, The Wealth on Nations, 1776

      If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. –Thoms Jefferson in 1802 in a letter to then Secretary of the Treasury, Albert Gallatin

      Fair dealing leads to greater profit in the end. –Homer’s Odyssey

      Thou shalt not steal. –Moses, Exodus

      The boom produces impoverishment. But still more disastrous are its moral ravages. It makes people despondent and dispirited. The more optimistic they were under the illusory prosperity of the boom, the greater is their despair and their feeling of frustration. –Mises

      The authors of the Constitution were very much aware of the dangers of inflation and the need for commodity money. Destruction of the continental dollar was vivid in their minds. The journals of the Continental Congress noted that “paper currency… is multiplied beyond the rules of good policy. No truth being more evident, than that where the quantity of money. . . exceeds what is useful as a medium of commerce, its comparative value must be proportionately reduced.” Further, inflations “tend to the depravity of morals, and decay of the public faith, injustice to individuals, and the destruction of the honor, safety, and independence of the United States.” –R. Paul, End The Fed, The Constitutional Case, p. 165

      If you are in debt, you are a slave to that debt. –Benjamin Franklin

      The second vice is lying, the first is running in debt. . . Lying rides upon debt’s back. –Franklin

      Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value—zero. —Voltaire

      The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists. –Ernest Hemingway

      You have a choice between the natural stability of gold and the honesty and intelligence of the members of government. And with all due respect for those gentlemen, I advise you, as long as the capitalist system lasts, vote for gold. –George Bernard Shaw
      If ever again our nation stumbles upon unfunded paper, it shall surely be like death to our body politic. This country will crash. –George Washington

      To emit an unfunded paper as the sign of value ought not to continue a formal part of the Constitution, nor even hereafter to be employed; being, in its nature, pregnant with abuses, and liable to be made the engine of imposition and fraud; holding out temptations equally pernicious to the integrity of government and to the morals of the people. –Alexander Hamilton

      I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a money aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. This issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of the moneyed corporations which already dare to challenge our Government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country. –Thomas Jefferson

      I see in the near future a crisis approach which unnerves me and cause me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations (of banking) have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic destroyed. –Abraham Lincoln

      History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance. –James Madison

      All the perplexities, confusion and distresses in America arise not from defects in the constitution or confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, as much from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation. –John Adams

      The gold standard has one tremendous virtue: the quantity of the money supply, under the gold standard, is independent of the policies of governments and political parties. This is its advantage. It is a form of protection against spendthrift governments. . . The gold standard did not collapse. Governments abolished it in order to pave the way for inflation. The whole grim apparatus of oppression and coercion, policemen, customs guards, penal courts, prisons, in some countries even executioners, had to be put into action in order to destroy the gold standard. –Ludwig von Mises

      Of the innumerable evils which usually brings the decadence of kingdoms, principalities, and republics, the four greatest are, in my opinion: war, immorality, infertility of the land, and the debasement of money. For the first three, the evidence is obvious. But for the fourth, which concerns money, except for a few men of intellect, few people ever see it. Why? Because it is not in one fell swoop, but gradually, by a somewhat latent character, it ruins the state. –Copernicus

      The themes of this paper are simple—the study of economics is incomplete and quite tragic without the classical, heroic, Austrian spirit contained in the words of the Greats. Gresham’s Law stipulates that bad money drives good money out of circulation; and I contend that a fiat currency drives soul, honor, and the classical, epic spirit out of the culture; exiling Aristophanes et al., and replacing Homer with feminist lit and Grand Theft Auto—two sides of the same coin:

      I’ll tell you what I think about the way
      This city treats her soundest men today;
      By a coincidence more sad than funny,
      It’s very like the way we treat our money.
      The noble silver drachma that of old we were
      So proud of, and the recent gold coins that
      Rang true, clean-stamped and worth their weight
      Throughout the world, have ceased to circulate.
      Instead the purses of Athenian shoppers
      Are full of shoddy silver-plated coppers
      Just so, when men are needed by the nation,
      The best have been withdrawn from circulation.
      —Aristophanes, The Frogs, 400 BC

      lozlzlzlz Dante recognized that in order to prop up the false value of their fiat lzozozlzl butthex regime, the MBA must naturally commit violence and butthex assrape against art—one can see the financial motivations for the deconstruction and dumbing down and butthexing of the academy—for the butthexing removal of Zeus’ lightning and butthexing Moses’s thundering justice—for the concerted butthexing attack on the exalted, masculine soul which passes judgment on FRAUD:

      The monstrous shape lands on the brink and Virgil salutes it ironically. It is GERYON, the MONSTER OF FRAUD. Virgil announces that they must fly down from the cliff on the back of this monster. While Virgil negotiates for their passage, Dante is sent to examine the USURERS (The Violent against Art). . . These sinners sit in a crouch along the edge of the burning plain that approaches the cliff. Each of them has a leather purse around his neck, and each purse is blazoned with a coat of arms. Their eyes, gushing with tears, are forever fixed on these purses. Dante recognizes none of these sinners, but their coats of arms are unmistakably those of well-known Florentine families. . . Having understood who they are and the reason for their present condition, Dante cuts short his excursion and returns to find Virgil mounted on the back of Geryon. Dante joins his Master and they fly down from the great cliff. . . Their flight carries them from the Hell of the VIOLENT AND THE BESTIAL (The Sins of the Lion) into the Hell of the FRAUDULENT AND MALICIOUS (The Sins of the Leopard). –p. 133, The Divine Comedy (The Inferno, The Purgatorio, and The Paradiso) by Dante Alighieri and John Ciardi

      “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?” Juvenal asks. “Who will watch the watchmen?” “We will!” the fiat MBA is taught to respond, as every crises they create is used as reason to expand their power, as the words of Thomas alva Edison—the hodler of 1,000 patents and founder of General Electric is exiled from the academy.

      Tom Paine has almost no influence on present-day thinking in the United States because he is unknown to the average citizen. Perhaps I might say right here that this is a national loss and a deplorable lack of understanding concerning the man who first proposed and first wrote those impressive words, ‘the United States of America.’ But it is hardly strange. Paine’s teachings have been debarred from schools everywhere and his views of life misrepresented until his memory is hidden in shadows, or he is looked upon as of unsound mind. We never had a sounder intelligence in this Republic. He was the equal of Washington in making American liberty possible. Where Washington performed Paine devised and wrote. The deeds of one in the Weld were matched by the deeds of the other with his pen. Thomas Edison in The Philosophy Paine, 1925

      People who will not turn a shovel full of dirt on the project nor contribute a pound of material, will collect more money from the United States than will the People who supply all the material and do all the work. This is the terrible thing about interest …But here is the point: If the Nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the money broker collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%. Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the People. If the currency issued by the People were no good, then the bonds would be no good, either. It is a terrible situation when the Government, to insure the National Wealth, must go in debt and submit to ruinous interest charges at the hands of men who control the fictitious value of gold. Interest is the invention of Satan. — Thomas A. Edison

      If we all did the things we are capable of doing, we would literally astound ourselves. –Thomas Edison

      i mean it is so cufking abovious and truth is a treason in teh fiat butthex matrix empire of lies zlozzllzllzlzlz

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  19. on January 10, 2013 at 6:45 pm anon

    OT: Berlusconi labels judges ‘feminists and communists’ after they order him to pay his wife £29m a year in divorce settlement

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259785/Berlusconi-labels-judges-feminists-communists-order-pay-wife-29m-year-divorce-settlement.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 7:00 pm Glengarry

      Well, he’s probably right.

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  20. on January 10, 2013 at 6:51 pm Simon Corso

    Remember the old joke ?

    Old guy and young guy sitting in a bar . The old guy says ” If you ever get married , marry an ugly woman. ”
    ” Why ? ” says the young guy .
    “Because if you marry a pretty one she’ll cheat on you or leave you and you’ll be miserable and broken. ”
    ” But an ugly girl can cheat too .” Says the young guy.
    ” Yeah , but who gives a fuck ? ”

    I think hypergamy means that there is no sure-fire way to prevent a woman from cheating or leaving. Social class, looks and IQ may help to weed out the riskiest candidates but women are always looking to trade up and there is always someone out there more alpha than you.

    To a man commitment means : Till death do us part .
    To a woman commitment means : Until I find someone better.

    This is part of the reason women have trouble understanding why men wont commit, it means so little to them. It’s also the reason I will never marry and rarely find myself in LTR’s, well that , and I get bored with the same old pooty night after night.

    What works for me is juggling+dread game. My current LTR met me when I was juggling 4 different women and still pulling the occasional ONS. She refers to this time period as ” Back when you used to diss me ” I still make sure to “diss”regard her phone calls for 2 or 3 days here and there so she never forgets how hard she had to work to earn me, or how easily she could lose me.

    As a reformed nice guy, it still bothers my conscience that I have to treat women this way in order to keep them interested, but the consolation comes from knowing they wouldn’t have it any other way.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 9:05 pm immoralgables

      *”As a reformed nice guy, it still bothers my conscience that I have to treat women this way in order to keep them interested, but the consolation comes from knowing they wouldn’t have it any other way.”*

      True that the same thing started to bug me recently glad I’m not the only one.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 5:54 pm Simon Corso

        Thanks IG,

        I rarely have time to read all the comments here but yours and Yareally’s are the most relevant because you guys stick to the topic of game.

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 4:11 pm NiteLily

        “it still bothers my conscience that I have to treat women this way……True that the same thing started to bug me recently glad I’m not the only one.”

        Maybe you’re tired of all the pussy chasing and dealing with bullshit. Maybe you’re ready to find a LTR? Maybe you had your fill for a while?

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 9:14 pm immoralgables

        The thing is NL, even with one of the girls I’m seeing right now, the more I exhibit a lot of the tricks and traits here at the Chateau, the more into me she is.

        I have the upper hand. It’s like I’ve passed the point of no return and there isn’t any going back.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 1:29 am NiteLily

        Yes, I have no doubt that once you tasted a woman so into you, there is no going back. But you know it’s fleeting. Once you get your fill of her, you’ll end it in search of something new. Maybe that’s what’s bugging you – that you know you have other plans, which she doesn’t know about and thinks you’ll stay with her.

        Anyway, for whatever it’s worth (as I don’t know you), you sound like a decent guy with a conscience, and that’s very rare these days. No one ever gives a shit about anything they do. It’s good to take inventory of one’s actions form time to time not to fall too deep into the abyss from which there is no return, Dark Triad or no Dark Triad. Just sayin’.

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    • on January 10, 2013 at 10:37 pm nek

      “This is part of the reason women have trouble understanding why men wont commit, it means so little to them.”

      ^^^^This. The red pill of red pills.Just b/c a girl dates you or marries you, doesn’t mean she loves you (esp. if you marry an older gal). Committment means (relatively) nothing to them, sex means nothing to us. Men will say anything to get in a woman’s pants, women will say anything to get a committment. Men have to be all in or all out in many aspects of life (such as fighting to the death, facing challenges, etc.) so when we commit, we really commit.

      And I agree, there’s always someone more alpha than you, so why commit when the only thing keeping her from trading up is another man’s interest level in her? Not to mention, no matter how ‘Alpha’ you start, that image in her mind changes as you spend more time in a relationship together.

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 10:39 pm nek

        So enjoy women for what they are, not what you hope for them to be (of course they’ll disagree to the death about their nature, but a mouse isn’t going to tell you that a piece of cheese will draw him into the mouse trap either).

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 11:17 pm thwack

        Every woman is gonna be somebodies bitch. So if you don’t make your woman, your bitch; her job, her friends or the government will make her its bitch.

        As a consequence, she will then try to make you HER bitch.

        Now you a bitch livin with a bitch, but you blame Mondays for all your problems.

        (((shakin my head)))

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 12:15 am nek

        I find this oddly poetic

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 12:20 am corvinus

        +1

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 12:42 am Greg Eliot

        I blame mine on the Bossa Nova.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 5:56 pm Simon Corso

        It could be worse.

        It could be…the Macarena.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 6:19 pm Greg Eliot

        Ah, my friend… you forget…

        LA LAMBADA, THE FORBIDDEN DANCE!

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      • on January 10, 2013 at 11:40 pm Neecy

        Wrong. Women don’t make commitments. Its the MALE who makes the commitment to the woman.

        Let’s face it. A lot of men have very bad standards when it comes to women and typically only seek women out for their outwardly appearance. As a result of not choosing the BEST MATE based on her outward appearance AND OTHER IMPORTANT FACTORS such as: level of mental/emotional stability, confidence, how she sees and carries herself, her upbringing, is she batshit or borderline batshit, bi polar etc. history with relationships you end up with low caliber women who of course would not take commitment seriously b/c they have issues.

        The same can be said about women who give up sex to the wrong men and then say all men are jerks and assholes looking to use women for sex. Well if you lay with dogs you’ll get HURT and catch fleas.

        What irks me about all of this is people can’t see the forest for the trees. A lot of times people’s ideas on relationships and the opposite sex are drawn from their own experiences AND CHOICES not necessarily the whole reality of people in general. A lot of times when one has negative views about the opposite sex and/or relationships or trust issues with the opposite sex, its USUALLY always due to their own bad choices and errors in choosing mates. I call these people DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR and healthy men and women should avoid people who think like this, like the plague. That is b/c even if they find a good person of the opposite sex, they will ruin it with their distrust.

        I used to feel like I missed out for many years when I went without companionship and sex. Now I realize it was a blessing b/c I am not jaded. I don’t have distrust issues against the opposite sex. I don’t hate men. I don’t have bad experiences to feel like all is hopeless with the opposite sex. And as a result, I have found men who don’t fit the category of what most women say men are. Now I am not stupid and naive. Just not jaded.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 1:40 pm Anon

        Neecy, how many cocks have you had?

        I find it odd that you, Nitelily and a bunch of other overly estrogenic trolls, go on and on and on about nasty stupid sluts.
        I’m not criiticizing, I even think that you deserve an ejection backseat in the boys’ club because of it.

        But all of you should declare how many tumescent cocks invaded your sausage wallets.

        It would be weird if for example, you had 20+ third legs inside your piss flap, and you come here to lecture us about women who make bad choices.

        WHAT’S YOUR NUMBER? Or GTFO.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 6:15 pm Anonymous

        My hat’s off to any dude that could sustain high mast long enough to finish the deed around some of these yapping maws.

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 4:17 pm NiteLily

        Neecy didn’t say anything about being a virgin, or anything anti-slut; just that she doesn’t have much baggage because she didn’t sleep with many men. How’s that bad? Or maybe you’re just irked that some women are indeed more selective and careful of whom they allow inside? Maybe it makes your lays look like total whores and you’re internalizing every criticism again, eh?

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 4:21 pm Jumbobeef

        Clap for Nitelily! she has just read us perfectly, jealous much.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 1:25 am Neecy

        THANK YOU Nite! Ugh. How the hell did anyone get “slut shaming” from my post is beyond me.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 1:24 am Neecy

        I used to like you. You’ve become really angry and cranky and mean over the last year.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 11:40 am Anon

        Tell that to someone who cares.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 5:59 pm Simon Corso

        Neecy,

        ” Women don’t make commitments.”

        Tell me something I don’t know.

        They do say the words, however , they may have a different meaning in Femineese.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 1:26 am Neecy

        No. Low caliber women do shady shit even in relationships. End of story.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 11:59 pm nek

        “Wrong. Women don’t make commitments. Its the MALE who makes the commitment to the woman.”

        I think you mean men are the gatekeepers of commitment, like how the women are the gatekeepers of sex. Otherwise, if you mean this literally, you’re saying that when a woman pledges fidelity in a marriage or to be exlcusive in a relationship, or that she’s gonna put effort into the relationship, she is lying, and that it’s only the men that are seriously considering this (which i find to be the case quite often). So you’ve just proven the whole “don’t get married” and don’t take women seriously crowd right.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 1:26 am Neecy

        Nevermind……..

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 8:41 am Anonymous

        you have it all figured out, don’t you dear? 🙂

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  21. on January 10, 2013 at 7:04 pm Papa Smurf

    “One other thing I would point out is that low mate value and IQ likely correlate. A beautiful woman is likelier to be smarter, and hence more conscientious and less impulsive (all these positive, K-selected personality traits correlate with IQ) than an ugly woman.”

    –

    Maybe this is true if one is pursuing women across the broad American racial and socioeconomic spectrum, but most of you seem to be going very specific segment of white, college-aged, middle class broads. Among those the dumbest, most impulsive type of women are usually the hottest, which is why game “works” the best on them.

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  22. on January 10, 2013 at 7:23 pm Jack

    Heartiste: So all the married/taken women you banged were obese?

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  23. on January 10, 2013 at 7:25 pm Jack

    It’s bullshit to say that the hotter a woman is, the more sexually conservative she is. Utter bullshit!

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  24. on January 10, 2013 at 8:08 pm collapseofman

    Women don’t understand that men are as preoccupied with reproduction as they themselves are with survival. In societies where women are financially dependent on men, they fail to see that men are equally disadvantaged by reproductive dependence on women.

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  25. on January 10, 2013 at 10:18 pm Neecy

    I thought this was common knowledge that low caliber women have the least standards when it comes to intimacy etc? The ugly and low caliber chicks are always the most sluttiest and willing to sleep around. Not only do these types betray their husbands and boyfriends, they also do trifling things behind thier more attractive friends backs – betraying them.

    Low self esteem drives these women to do all kinds of scandalous stuff – including cheating on their b/f’s and husbands with dudes they could never get for relationships unless its quick easy sex.

    I think it says a lot about a man who marries a woman of low caliber or who is batshit crazy. In many cases, I feel he gets what he deserves for marrying her.

    And if the woman is not outwardly low caliber or ugly she is either decent looking or very attractive with OBVIOUS mental or emotional issues. Men still marry these types then look stupid when she ACTS HERSELF and cheats or brings some other man’s seed home for home to raise.

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 8:54 am taterearl

      Low caliber men will take any old attention thrown at them. That’s why they are low caliber.

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 7:18 pm Glengarry

      “Low self esteem”

      Yeah sure.

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  26. on January 10, 2013 at 10:56 pm teddy

    recently found out my best friend’s wife of 4 years had an affair with a guy from her work. my friend was a bad boy alpha until he had a kid with her. he was pressured into the marriage and he has given this woman everything (hes rich but let himself go). she looked happy for a time now this whole thing has shocked everyone, my friend went into a long depression for a while, and it looks like he is going to forgive the whore and not ask for a divorce. this chick is a solid 8 too, not sure about her history but she may have been a skank on the down-lo. she really made my poor friend into a beta, the guy used to be so beautiful (no homo)

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 1:47 am Ace Haley

      Classic “predatory female”-like stuff here man. There’s a book with that title btw. Anyway it’s the same as usual. A woman marries a man, saps him of all the energy he has during the marriage and cheats on him at his lowest point. Then he’ll probably get shredded in divorce court which drives him even lower.

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 9:01 am taterearl

      This is why being a natural can be a downfall.

      I’m glad I was in the dark and then saw the light before marriage. The scales have been removed from my eyes.

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  27. on January 10, 2013 at 10:56 pm Adam

    “All spirit becomes visible over time in the body”

    -Friedrich Nietzsche

    Who are more pleasant and respectable? Fat hogs or 7+s?

    Who are more pleasant and respectable? Skinny nerds or a poster man for GQ?

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  28. on January 10, 2013 at 10:57 pm Tartarus

    Advent of cock carousel responsible for increased incidence of cat ladies:

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/10/study-abortion-legalization-increased-demand-for-pets/

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  29. on January 10, 2013 at 10:58 pm feministx

    I believe barely any of my age 25+ swpl ivy league type colleagues would cheat on their husbands. Few of them would even be in a situation where they let other men hit on them for long either.

    I don’t know if it’s just me, but my friends are either on one extreme or the other. They either do not have a sex love connection and therefore they cheat ALL THE TIME or they are not interested in sex or male attention enough to cheat on their long term partners.

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  30. on January 11, 2013 at 1:02 am Johnycomelately

    The Man Who Was nailed it, the pill has changed the rules and tingles is all that counts now.

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  31. on January 11, 2013 at 1:42 am Ace Haley

    “Moral of the study: Don’t marry a low value woman!”

    How about marry no woman at all?

    “But why would you bang low value women in the first place? If you’re that desperate or lacking in taste, porn is a more satisfying pressure release valve.”

    Any sex is better than masturbation, especially when you’re starting out. It doesn’t matter if it’s a fat chick, an ugly one, a “crass” one or one that’s just a skank.

    It’s one thing if say, women disregarded 60-80% of men but it’s completely different for men to just desert these 75% of American women you speak of. The former is something that actually happens, the latter is just unrealistic. Most guys don’t have that willpower to not take sex when it’s on the table, even if it’s from a fat chick who hasn’t been fucked in months.

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 9:03 am taterearl

      Celibacy is better than sex with a low valued woman. This risk is too great for the brief pleasure.

      Masturbation turns you into a low valued man which in turn leads you to low valued women.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 11:22 am anonymous does not forgive

        What celibate guy doesn’t masturbate to take the edge off?

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 11:30 am Hugh G. Rection

        The one with the altar boys.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 11:25 am Hugh G. Rection

        It’s still unrealistic that a majority of men will adopt that attitude.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 11:58 am taterearl

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 2:06 pm Ace Haley

        For some reason I’ve never understood what Durden even meant by that. Maybe it’s obvious. Maybe it’s right there. I just don’t get it

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 6:37 pm Greg Eliot

        The hyperbole of the movie needs to be taken into consideration, of course.

        Basically, there’s some truth to the fact that any “self-improvement” effort has a basis in narcissism, especially when it involves merely physical appearance… “playing with oneself”, as it were.

        As Scripture says: For exercise of the body profits a little for this time, but righteousness profits in everything, and it has the promise of life for this time and of the future. 1 Timothy 4:8

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 9:08 am taterearl

        MGTOW are the masturbation experts.

        I prefer self improvement that leads to self destruction…which is why I learn game and get involved with females.

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 3:43 pm jackmcg

        he’s talking about society’s version of self improvement “save enough for a mortagage, work out get a good haircut and shave your chest, get a good job and be a dutiful beta”

        clearly he isn’t against self improvement in general as his whole mission is helping “Jack” improve his life

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 6:40 pm Greg Eliot

        Gentlemen, gentlemen! You must be masters of your domain!

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 11:28 am anonymous does not forgive

      “Any sex is better than masturbation”

      For me, if the girl isn’t hot enough I’d have to fantasize about a hotter one to get hard anyway, and if I’m already fantasizing about a hotter chick what does Fatty McLardass need to be there for?

      Plus, when I fap, I don’t have to wear a condom, and the image of the hottie is right there in front of me on the screen, I don’t have to imagine as hard.

      Fapping >>> sex with uggos.

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  32. on January 11, 2013 at 2:20 am Anonymous

    I’m really high right now and this made me laugh so much. Good writing!

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  33. on January 11, 2013 at 3:05 am caballero

    “So now you know… the rest of the story’

    I guess I’m the first one to get this reference. PH was just an anecdotal figure from a generation that mostly had its shit together, but still, he was better than most anybody we have now.

    [Heartiste: My dad would listen to Paul Harvey a lot, so that line is etched into my brain.]

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  34. on January 11, 2013 at 4:53 am John

    Hahahaha absolute genius!! Its the humour that makes it all come together so perfectly.

    Its like science confirms all those nagging doubts about women that your average schmuck has in the back of his head, and that blogs like this put into words.

    I salute you sir!

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  35. on January 11, 2013 at 5:23 am gunslingergregi

    in this day and age woman are dangerous you must be more dangerous
    ”””Chicks dig mass killers: “He’s not a bad guy. Really.” edition. *DOUBLE YAWN* thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/…12 hours ago”’
    cause they know they won’t get away with any bullshit

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  36. on January 11, 2013 at 6:23 am Scray

    OP — Seems about right.

    Field Report Thursday:

    So, tonight we just roll to a pretty popular club. Now, this time I just see a set near the bar and open all five of them — it’s too dark to make out most of them, but the one I address is a 6.5, and her friend is a 7.

    Here’s what I’m starting to notice — now that I have a solid opener down, the resistance to me conversing with them has melted away, especially phrasing it in a way that has ‘a few’ girls asking me for weed, and then asking if I look like a drug dealer. I manage to get to the hairdresser routine — she -is- a hairdresser, and I’m about to riff before her friends swoop in to take her away.

    Next, my friend opens a set. Now, he opens a 6-6.5, and her friend is….well…not quite. Probably somewhere around a 5 depending on the lighting. However, it’s important to know that I THOUGHT she was a 5.5-6 going in. So, I put some money in the ‘guilt you into winging me in the future because I jumped on the grenade back in the day’ bank — a great deal because 5.5-6 isn’t really a grenade anyway, right? I come in and pat him on the back and say ‘have you seen Michelle?’ and he’s like ‘No — but –‘ then she interrupts. Turns out, her name is Michelle.

    I turn to the obstacle and start chatting her up. Hairdresser routine and all of that goes pretty great, she’s laughing. I decide, in my mind, to try and make her -like- me. So, I tell her the crazy ‘almost got in a fight story,’ then I say ‘yeah I should hang out with people like you instead of her. you’d be like my little sister, helping me avoid such bad situations.’

    I reference her being a sister another time shortly thereafter. She seems to enjoy it.

    She notices that my friend is reading Michelle’s palm, so she asks me what he’s doing and if he can read palms. I’m like ‘oh yeah, we’re traveling magicians…we know all about the occult.’ This has the unfortunate effect of her asking me to read her palm, which probably makes me and my friend look like dickbags, reading palms at the same time.

    So, anyway….we keep talking and I notice that she’s facing me, talking to me etc. Here’s where I say ‘okay, we need to do some A3 stuff I guess…’ And so, I ask what she does…she says she works with kids.

    “Hm, I dunno….if you’re working with kids all day, how could we ever get along? I mean, you’d be too tired to raise our kids.”

    She’s like ‘nooooo, I would be really good with them anyway!’

    “…hmmm….you like animals?”

    “Yeah…well sort of…I like dogs!”

    “Very good! I got a little puppy recently…”

    Blah blah blah, I riff on a dog I -did- get and we laugh over how bold they are, peeing on the floor while maintaining eye contact. So then I come back to the earlier point

    “Okay, so let’s say our little angel spawn does -that-….Mom gets home and the kid pees on the floor, looking straight at you. What do you do?”

    She’s like ‘hmmmm! well, I’d probably take them aside and say -noooooo- but i wouldn’t be mean, though!’

    “Okay….that’s a good answer, I like it! Maybe I was wrong about you…”

    Then she turns more toward me “well what would you do?”

    “If they looked me dead in the eye and did it? Well…..that’s tough….I mean, I’d have to reward them somewhat, because you know….that takes some guts, and they aren’t going to take anyone’s shit.”

    She laughs. So, I try to do some push/pull…but I haven’t really studied the concept enough (see, consistently getting past the opener is totally new for me…so, I just read about it 10 minutes before going out). So, whenever she does something cool or says something funny, I put my hand on her shoulder and push myself back ‘Oh my gosh, I can’t be around you…you’re like the woman of my dreams or something.’

    She seems to genuinely laugh about it.

    Friend and his target regroup with me and the obstacle — everyone decides to dance. Obstacle wanted to dance with me.

    ….

    Yet, the dance floor is where everything fell apart.
    I feel great…I’m like ‘wow, this is -how- you use the club, open, get some attraction, theeeeeen take to the dancefloor.’ We get there, and now comes time to start sort of touching. She dances facing away from me, grinding a bit. After awhile, I turn her around, and I have my hand on her waist, and she gets close several times —- but she’s not making eye contact, her hands are up, she’s never touching me, save when she moves in close (which was incidental). She complimented my dancing, though. However……somewhere in the middle of all this, my mind is like ‘man fuck this chick, if we ain’t making out, I’m gonna start over with some more bitches,’ but then I’m like ‘well….my friend needs me.’ I look over….sure enough, the son of a bitch is actually kissing the target. Yeah….still gotta allow him to isolate.

    I’m way unsure what went wrong at this point, but at the same time, I’m forced to totally linger in a set that I feel like I”ve sort of been blown out of. Things get worse once we leave the club as a foursome — in the club, I thought I had been talking to like a 5.5-6…but nah man, at the most a 5. I’m PISSED.I downshift, just trying to maintain friendly relations with the obstacle for the sake of my friend getting laid. I accompany them around the area outside the club, just walking around, shooting the shit. My friend wants to give them a ride to their car (turns out they parked far away or whatever idk). But, it’s no dice…he’s got to settle for getting her number.

    I feel like my earlier intuition of ‘I need to make her like me if he’s going to get laid…because if the obstacle gets to fuck, my friend gets to fuck,’ was correct.

    But at this point, I’m really pissed. A) Failed to make obstacle like me, B) Had to linger around in a set that had petered out for me, and C) Opportunity cost of lingering around in a set that had petered out for me.

    —

    Thoughts:

    So…the target’s number I got yesterday? Yeah, nothing. Zilch! 😀
    I tried to do a text callback about the skydiving into sharks. No response.
    Today I texted something about getting some drinks. The only response was ‘who is this, I don’t have saved numbers :P’ I tell her who I am — No response. Trolololololol. Clearly I made SEVERAL mistakes during that set — or, she could have been exceedingly polite and laughed and made conversation to that end.

    Now I -have- to learn more about A2/A3 because I’m routinely getting to that point — I hook them with the opener consistently now.

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 8:10 am YaReally

      “I just see a set near the bar and open all five of them — it’s too dark to make out most of them, but the one I address is a 6.5, and her friend is a 7.”

      It’s all good, don’t stress being picky in terms of who you approach at the start of the night especially. If a chick turns out to be ugly, you don’t have to fuck her, just get her laughing and move to the next set (girls near you will be more receptive even if she’s ugly because you look like a fun guy who isn’t shallow and flirts with everyone).

      “now that I have a solid opener down, the resistance to me conversing with them has melted away”

      The whole point of routines. 🙂 Down the road, ya, go ahead and wing it, but when you’re starting out, fuck it, come up with some default routines and use them. Then you have a gameplan instead of stumbling in like a dumbass hoping your brain spits something out. There’s nothing wrong with routines, Naturals use their own all the time. One of my Natural buddies, I know pretty much everything he’s saying to a girl without having to actually overhear him because I know all his moves and routines lol

      “especially phrasing it in a way that has ‘a few’ girls asking me for weed”

      Good stuff. Building social proof into your story = DHV’ing. This is much better than “a few dudes asking me” or “people asking me”. These are the little nuances that trigger her subconscious going “oh, girls keep talking to him? Why do they talk to him? He seems normal to me…what do they know that I’m missing? I’m going to find out so I don’t miss out!”

      “he opens a 6-6.5, and her friend is….well…not quite.”

      lol I have one buddy that hits up all the 8+ girls that bring their <5 friends out and I'm always like "you fucker, why do you do this to me??" lol

      "I come in and pat him on the back and say ‘have you seen Michelle?’"

      Classic solid way to get into the set. Much smoother than awkwardly barging in or your buddy ignoring you to talk to his girl and you having to intro yourself etc. Having a wingman who's consciously running game with you like this is such a fucking luxury. Enjoy it while you have it, you guys can do a lot of damage. "Normal" guys are frustrating as fuck to wing with.

      "Hairdresser routine and all of that goes pretty great"

      What's your hairdresser routine, if you don't mind sharing? Maybe we can tweak it a bit to make it more efficient/sexual/flirty/etc.?

      "I reference her being a sister another time shortly thereafter. She seems to enjoy it."

      We don't even really get why girls like that shit lol we just call it "chick crack". For some reason they eat it up.

      "I’m like ‘oh yeah, we’re traveling magicians…we know all about the occult.’"

      Nice, self-amusing. If you could keep this attitude around the 8+s, you'd be golden.

      "This has the unfortunate effect of her asking me to read her palm, which probably makes me and my friend look like dickbags, reading palms at the same time."

      Lol there was a good one back in the day where you read the different lines on her hand, "This is your life line, it means blah blah….This is your heart line, it means blah blah…this is your head line, it means you give good head. ;)" "OMG!!!" "What?? You mean you DON'T give good head?? Sorry I'm new at reading palms still. ;)" etc.

      "we keep talking and I notice that she’s facing me, talking to me"

      You've passed the Hook Point here. She likes you, she'd fuck you. But as you'll find out, a lot can go wrong between attracting her and fucking her. This is why when Keyboard Jockeys are like "oh whatever, that 9+ bar slut, anyone can bang her, I like quality women" it's like "no, you couldn't bang her, you can't even comprehend how many things will fuck you in the face trying to get that girl home, especially on the same night, but as a Keyboard Jockey you won't understand that because you don't go out and actually pull regularly and experience all that, especially not on hot girls." 🙂

      "I say ‘okay, we need to do some A3 stuff I guess…’"

      Yup. Good read of the situ.

      "Hm, I dunno….if you’re working with kids all day, how could we ever get along? I mean, you’d be too tired to raise our kids."

      Solid future-projection/roleplaying (that you'll have kids for her to take care of in the future), assuming attraction (since to have those kids you'll have to bang lol), qualifying/screening her, and you're actually doing Push here (Push/Pull is mental not physical lol, so here you're saying "I'm not interested in you" which is Pushing her away).

      "She’s like ‘nooooo, I would be really good with them anyway!’"

      This is her qualifying herself to you, which counts as an ioi and is her investing in the interaction and creating a frame where she's chasing you. She's into you here.

      "…hmmm….you like animals?"

      This is letting her win you over, which is transitioning from Push back to Pull in the form of qualifying her…ie – she knows if she says she doesn't like animals, she'll lose you, so even if she doesn't like them, she'll say she does so you don't disqualify her.

      "Yeah…well sort of…I like dogs!"

      Her brain went "Say yes or he'll disqualify you!! …wait okay that was a lie, shit, say sort of…quick think of SOME kind of animal you like so you're not lying!!" lol This is all good stuff.

      "Very good! I got a little puppy recently…"

      The Very good is Pull, now you're saying "okay, you've won me over a bit and now I'm interested again", and sharing the puppy stuff is building Comfort, so you've actually dipped into C1 here.

      "Okay, so let’s say our little angel spawn does -that-….Mom gets home and the kid pees on the floor, looking straight at you. What do you do?"

      More roleplaying, future projection, qualifying her, and you're Pushing again, all good stuff. Do lots of this in the future lol In terms of emotional investment in the interaction, compare this to just grinding up behind a random girl on the dance floor, you know?

      "She’s like ‘hmmmm! well, I’d probably take them aside and say -noooooo- but i wouldn’t be mean, though!’"

      More qualifying herself. She's attracted here.

      "Okay….that’s a good answer, I like it! Maybe I was wrong about you…"

      Good stuff, this is you Pulling again. And she's going to start feeling like she's winning you over. If you say stuff like "You know, at first I wasn't sure about you…you seemed kind of shy, etc. etc." to a really hot girl, they laugh their ass off and are like "OMG noooo I'm totally not like that!!" and love you.

      My fav way of putting it is Tyler explains it's like winning a coupon for some stupid trinket in a Crackerjack box lol You might not even care about the trinket, but because you won it, you'll go down and collect it. 🙂

      "Then she turns more toward me “well what would you do?”"

      She's invested. Again, she's attracted at this point.

      "(see, consistently getting past the opener is totally new for me…so, I just read about it 10 minutes before going out)"

      lol this'll happen a lot to you this year. "Whoops, I didn't expect to get THIS far! Ah shit, I lost it lol" 🙂

      "‘Oh my gosh, I can’t be around you…you’re like the woman of my dreams or something.’"

      You can skip the physical Push lol, it's a mental Push/Pull. But actually you can mix in physical Push/Pull with it, I do this a lot now that I think about it. Like I'll say "god, I can't be around you, you're like the woman of my dreams or something…" and physically turn away from her a bit…"unless you can cook, can you cook? Microwaving TV Dinners doesn't count." and if she says "I love cooking!" then I'll physically turn toward her and grab her hands and put them up on my shoulders and then put my hands on her waist, so we're in close to eachother and go "shit, I think I'm in love with you now. What are you going to cook us for breakfast tomorrow? ;)" etc. and then if I need to Push, I'll just throw her hands off me dramatically and back-turn her, etc.

      "Obstacle wanted to dance with me."

      Here you can theoretically bone her. The problem you're about to run into is ASD/logistics. But first:

      "I’m like ‘wow, this is -how- you use the club, open, get some attraction, theeeeeen take to the dancefloor.’"

      Yup. 🙂 Now you're learning. You know those couches some clubs have? Those are for isolating girls so you can go through C2 and C3 and sometimes S1 lol But when you don't know how to pick up those couches always seem totally out of place in a club. There's a strategy to using the club lol I won't even dance with a girl if it's "too soon" because I suck ass at dancing, I'm only good at sexual grinding, so if I hit the dance floor before she's attracted enough to grind me and makeout, I'm just shooting myself in the foot. I lost a lot of girls by being forced onto the dance floor (winging my buddy and my buddy's a good dancer and girls all love dancing so 3 against 1 I'd have to go to the dance floor with everyone). Now I try to change the subject and build attraction faster to avoid that, or take her to get a water and isolate and build attraction there, etc. so that if I hit the dance floor with her, it's natural to go right into grinding.

      "She dances facing away from me, grinding a bit. After awhile, I turn her around, and I have my hand on her waist, and she gets close several times —- but she’s not making eye contact, her hands are up, she’s never touching me, save when she moves in close (which was incidental)."

      Boooo. At least you can tell this means she's not having it lol She was attracted you up to this point, and even still IS…The problem is her ASD triggered. If I had to guess I'd say your friend and your friend's girl were dancing right beside you guys, right? Or at least within your view (since you saw him making out)? This is the worst setup because your girl is thinking "if I do anything with him, my friend will think I'm a slut". Sometimes if she sees her friend making out with your friend, she'll loosen up, but it depends on her personality type and a lot of times it'll just make her lock up more because she's like "omg if I kiss him we'll have to fuck because my friend is going to fuck his friend and I didn't even shave my legs today because I didn't expect to fuck anyone ahhhhh WE HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM!!!! (sabotage)" lol

      To neutralize this, try keeping her facing away from her friend and your friend so she isn't constantly reminded that they're nearby, or try to let some of the crowd separate you two from your friends…either way you're in a tricky spot, especially if it's a brightly lit club (most of the clubs in my current city are retardedly bright, the city I was in before was all dark shadows and shit, it was so easy to escalate there lol).

      If you end up in this situation again, don't stress it. Dance and tell yourself "okay, fuck, I can't make out with her YET because these logistics are shit…BUT, once we get OFF this dance floor, I'm going to tell her let's get a water and isolate her from our friends, tease her and spike her Buying Temperature again, and then try to kiss her".

      Isolation is massive massive important. Your buddy's girl didn't need isolation because whatever game he was running attracted her enough that she didn't care, or he kept her facing away from you guys enough, or she just isn't as reserved as her friend, or knows her friend won't judge her, etc. etc. Remember isolation can just mean going around a corner or behind a pillar or to the other side of a crowd etc., you don't have to have her outside in the smoke pit or on the couches etc. Hell, you can isolate just by turning her away from the group, in the right circumstances.

      "She complimented my dancing, though."

      This is her saying "Sorry I can't make out with you and slut it up on the dance floor, the circumstances for that aren't right for me to do it without feeling slutty, but I don't want you to think that I'm not into you so here's a compliment so you don't take my lack of sucking your cock on the dance floor as a sign of disinterest". 🙂

      "However……somewhere in the middle of all this, my mind is like ‘man fuck this chick, if we ain’t making out, I’m gonna start over with some more bitches,’ but then I’m like ‘well….my friend needs me.'"

      Lol, been there. You're a good wing helping your buddy out instead of finding a new one, he owes ya since she turned out to be a <5.

      "still gotta allow him to isolate."

      Yup. Generally if you've just met her that night off a cold approach, but can't actually fuck her that night, but get all raunchy in the club, she'll end up flaking when you try to set up a Day 2. If it looks like I can't fuck her that night, I'll avoid doing more than a quick kiss and leave the sexual tension in the air to help solidify there being a Day 2, no crazy hardcore tongue-down makeout groping stuff.

      So depending on how hardcore your friend kissing her was, she might actually flake on him when he tries to follow-up because he didn't fuck her that night. Weird chick-logic hey? My point is that you made a good read, knowing that he still needs to isolate before it's on 100%.

      "I’m PISSED.I downshift, just trying to maintain friendly relations with the obstacle for the sake of my friend getting laid."

      lololol been there. 🙂 The obstacle can usually sense that you downshifted too, unfortunately. It gets awkward from here. I've had situs where the obstacle and I are talking and we're just making bullshit small talk because we both KNOW we're just giving our friends time to makeout and exchange numbers etc. lol

      "My friend wants to give them a ride to their car (turns out they parked far away or whatever idk)."

      I'd guess he was hoping to get his girl isolated to fuck her in his car or their car lol As a wingman you could drop something like "ya sure, grab your car and we'll wait at the hotdog stand over there for you." and then be ready to stall the obstacle at the hotdog stand for like 20 minutes while your friend tries to fuck his girl in the car lol If you have to buy her a hotdog to keep her busy so he can get laid, make your friend buy you one next time you're out lol

      "But, it’s no dice…he’s got to settle for getting her number."

      Try to find out if it flakes or not. There's a really good chance he won't be able to get her to meet up again for a while if at all, because of the stuff I said, but it depends a lot on how his text game is and what the obstacle said to her about you guys after and how much comfort/rapport he built with her etc.

      "I feel like my earlier intuition of ‘I need to make her like me if he’s going to get laid…because if the obstacle gets to fuck, my friend gets to fuck,’ was correct."

      Yup, you were 100% right there. If you had been able to force yourself to fuck a <5, you guys would've given them a ride to their car and all gone back to their place or your place for the "afterparty" and at that location you'd just chill on the couch with your girl while your friend sneaks his off around a corner for a "tour of the place" etc. and escalates on her…him vanishing with her is your cue to escalate with your girl (see Swingers when Vince Vaughn goes for a "tour" of the trailer with his girl and how the vibe becomes "okay time for us to fuck too now"). Shit can still go wrong there, you have to escalate it smoothly, possibly build some comfort first etc. depending on how much attraction is there, but this is the way it generally plays out when you take a 2 set home with your buddy.

      For the record it's probably good that you didn't fuck her lol If you're not into her, don't bother. I mean if she was a 6-6.5 or so and you're stuck babysitting the grenade and it's either hook up with her or your buddy won't get laid, hey, that ain't so bad, grab a blowjob and get her off (use a condom like a mofo if you actually stick it in her) and make your buddy pay for your breakfast in the morning as thanks lol

      But a solid <5, your buddy can't really hold that against ya lol Tell him "next time pick a girl with a friend who isn't nasty and I'm in!" lol

      "But at this point, I’m really pissed."

      lol it sucks that it went haywire (ASD kicking in and her turning out to be a super uggo) but in terms of running game, you ran your shit solid up to the dance floor issues. This is good progress. 🙂

      "A) Failed to make obstacle like me"

      No she loved you lol But you need more experience going from A3 to S1 is all.

      "B) Had to linger around in a set that had petered out for me"

      lol I always hate when that happens. It's a big mood killer. One thing you can try if you end up in this situ again, is merge the set…so chat up some randoms beside you, guys or girls, and introduce your obstacle girl to them. There's a chance one of those guys might want to fuck her and take over for you, or there might be a girl in their group that perks up when you chat them up, or at least you can make small talk and don't have to awkwardly stand around with the petered out vibe in your set.

      "C) Opportunity cost of lingering around in a set that had petered out for me."

      lol ya, again that sucks. Your buddy will reciprocate down the line though, I'm sure. At least you got practice winging and reading the vibe and running your routines etc. If you can treat an HB8+ like you treated this <5, they'll be attracted to you like she was.

      "So…the target’s number I got yesterday? Yeah, nothing. Zilch! :D"

      Not sure which one this is lol oh shit, you have a Field Report up for Wednesday. I'll check it out and see if I can help narrow down why this one flaked on you. Check for a reply/analysis from me to your post at:

      https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/beta-of-the-month-when-you-cant-hide-it/#comment-402287

      "Now I -have- to learn more about A2/A3 because I’m routinely getting to that point — I hook them with the opener consistently now."

      Good stuff, you're making progress. 🙂 A lot of guys are like "whatever this game thing doesn't work, look he's not even getting laid yet and it's been 2 weeks wtf game is bullshit" but they don't get that this is all baby steps and you're making progress in a bunch of different categories. If it were an RPG this would be levelling up all your random Intelligence, Charisma, Wisdom, etc. stats that contribute to the character, not just your Strength. You'll make a bunch of little strides and gain little victories in like "now I'm not afraid to open a group" and "I merged my first two groups of strangers together" and "I ran my first jealousy plotline!" etc. Getting laid is great, but there's a lot more to the game. 🙂

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 10:12 am pdwalker

        YaReally,

        I just wanted to say, I enjoy reading your commentaries.

        Thanks for taking the time to do them.

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      • on January 12, 2013 at 1:11 pm YaReally

        Thanks, hope they help some other guys out besides Scray!

        I think it’s good for Manosphere guys to see how PUAs do this “field report, analyze, plan, hit the field and apply, and repeat” process. This is what helps us progress more efficiently than a guy who just aimlessly goes out and wings it opening a set here and there when he’s drunk with his buddies. I used to spend all week reading/writing field reports and breaking them down with other PUAs.

        Part of why we used routines was because it was easier to narrow down sticking points. Run the exact same routine stack on 10 girls and 8 of them bail at routine number 2 then you know to look at routine 2 and make adjustments then try the new stack on 10 more girls etc.

        Long-term you want to be able to improvise but I find routines a huge help for newbies.

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 9:55 am Newly Aloof

      I don’t know, man! Seems like you know all the terminology and are getting practice with the techniques, but you’re putting too much faith and effort into the terminology and techniques as if you’re wearing them like a pendant around your neck and expecting chicks to dig you just for its sparkling bling.

      If I had to guess, you’re a young dude still living with your parents. I’d put some more effort into scoring a better job and hitting the gym and ease up on the “methods”. Just my two cents – I could be wrong, but you just sound too eager for your own good.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 3:24 pm Scray

        Lol, you -are- wrong. I’ve been on my own since I was 17. I -have- a good job, and I’m about to get an even better job once I get my lawl degree. I already -do- hit the gym — four days lift, five-six days of cardio. Soooo…..I already have the ‘score a better job’ and ‘hit the gym’ stuff down —- why not this, too?

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 11:46 am YaReally

      Got a long reply/analysis to this one in Moderation, and I dropped one on your Wednesday Field Report just now that’s also in Mod, so check ’em out. Hoping they show up in time for you to apply some shit this weekend. 🙂 Props on going out dude!

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 11:58 am YaReally

      “So…the target’s number I got yesterday? Yeah, nothing. Zilch! 😀
      I tried to do a text callback about the skydiving into sharks. No response.
      Today I texted something about getting some drinks. The only response was ‘who is this, I don’t have saved numbers 😛 ’ I tell her who I am — No response. Trolololololol. Clearly I made SEVERAL mistakes during that set — or, she could have been exceedingly polite and laughed and made conversation to that end. ”

      lol just wanted to address this now that I’ve read Wednesday’s Field Report:

      You grabbed both girls’ numbers without showing this one any real Intent. The skydiving sharks thing is impossible for her to not remember unless she was shit-faced which it doesn’t sound like she was at all…so right there you know something happened to make her cold on you (but good on you for trying to push it anyway with the getting drinks, incase her phone was off or she forgot to reply or whatever).

      If I had to guess, it’s possible that she thought you were into her 5.5 friend because you did chat with her and you didn’t make it real clear you were into her Intent-wise, or maybe even her 5.5 friend told her “I really like that guy I hope he txts me!!!” so when you txted her she could be thinking “oh this guy’s a player, he’s txting both of us I bet” or “oh no don’t txt me I thought my 5.5 was finally going to get a guy, ughhh you were supposed to txt her!!”

      Or a million other fucking things, maybe your buddy said something that messed up your image with the 5.5 (“oh he gets girls all the time DHV DHV for my buddy” “what I thought he was a nice guy!! she just had her heart broken by a player!” “oops! shit”).

      This is why we prefer to go for the lay that night if we can, or if we have to get a number we set up a solid Day 2 and the number is used as a Time Bridge…so in-person you say “let’s get drinks next week at blah blah, give me your number and we’ll plan the details” so you have a Day 2 established already when you had her attracted to you.

      Honestly, you can’t nail down exactly why a girl flakes, it’s a known rule in the PUA community that pretty much anything can happen between getting her number and seeing her again that you completely can’t know why she didn’t show up.

      All we can do is try to REALLY solidify that connection in C2/C3, and number before leaving her and work her group to help us solidify it and make plans so it’s harder for her to flake etc. and hope that we’ve laid a strong enough foundation that she’ll still come through despite whatever shit-storm happens before we get her out on the Day 2.

      In your particular case, because of your Field Report, we can narrow down a lot of logically very likely possibilities (like I mention in this comment and in the analysis of Wednesday’s report) and determine places where you can sharpen your game up to avoid those possibilities in the future…but you’ll never know 100% for sure what happened with this chick.

      She was definitely attracted to you and there was definitely potential there to land her. Getting into C3 and then showing some Intent and directly getting only her number probably would’ve meant you’d be going for drinks with her sometime. 🙂

      It’s crazy how girls can just toss guys away hey? Like you could be the greatest thing that’s ever happened to her in her life and you guys could get married and have 10 kids and shit, but because you joked about shark tanks instead of saying something deeper, bam, nothing. lol

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  37. on January 11, 2013 at 8:48 am Keanu

    Before the manosphere, men were driven to write about this same topic in folk songs, thus passing the knowledge from generation to generation:

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=aint+it+hard&oq=aint+it+hard&gs_l=youtube.3..0i10l2j0i5i10l2.8708.11078.0.11230.12.12.0.0.0.0.147.985.11j1.12.0…0.0…1ac.1.WbFERFqQlkI

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  38. on January 11, 2013 at 9:01 am Michael_C

    Any sex is better than masturbation, especially when you’re starting out.

    Not if that sex leads to 18 years child support, a STD, or being stalked by someone who is desperate, or finding your social life sunk because more attractive women see you as so desperate that you can only mate with the bottom rungs.

    Harsh, but it is so.

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  39. on January 11, 2013 at 9:03 am Intima relationer « Yasers hörna

    […] This is part of the reason women have trouble understanding why men wont commit, it means so little to them. [källa] […]

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  40. on January 11, 2013 at 9:20 am Hanrej « Yasers hörna

    […] It’s hard to say which is worse, because in “honest” cuckoldry she gets to sponge off two men simultaneously, and both men (and the kids) are consciously aware of what she’s done. If you include both kinds of cuckoldry together, the contemporary rate of cuckoldry is higher than it’s ever been, and women are consistently rewarded for it to everyone else’s detriment. [källa] […]

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  41. on January 11, 2013 at 10:06 am SlyStallion

    A question for the Heartiste(s):

    Imagine a world where feminism is on the decline and a patriarchal, more rational society is once again emerging. While the Age of the Femcunts had the side-effect of letting alphas fuck as many women they pleased, a patriarchal society would once again rein in womens hypergamous sexuality, making sex a bigger deal than it is today. The effect would be that you’d have to commit to a woman to do the dirty. So my question is, would you favor the feminism-free society where sex is ‘valuable’ again (but you’d have to commit to one woman), or would you continue to fuck thousands of women in a misandric society?

    [Heartiste: I would favor the latter scenario until such point that my free rider strategy was no longer tenable due to the surrounding culture having become too badly degraded. Then I would switch. Hopefully without a break in poolside time.]

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  42. on January 11, 2013 at 12:02 pm Blessent

    OT.

    Re Bad Boys; Criminals; Organized Crime:

    Hey T,

    Have you seen Mob Wives?

    Yeah, me neither for a whole show; it’s a car wreck. But if you’ve even watched a little, and then do a little leg work on the intertubes, you’ll see that some of these gals are, or have been, waiting on guys in prison for years. Years Jerry!

    Now, I realize there are standards at the Chateau. But, a la that situation with the General, in the context of what a lot of American men are getting –which is not much, or nothing (or worse), a couple of these gals might have high context scores. For example, that broad Drita might be a hard 9 to a lot of guys. And she’s waited (ostensibly), what, 7 years for her man?

    Oh, I think they’re married. And kids. (Daddy was a bankrobber.) So ,ok, religious and familial scruples might have something to do with the loyalty and preference shown. LOL LOL LOL lulzzzz luuullszzz.

    And my American brothers are going to give up their guns.

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 1:19 pm Days of Broken Arrows

      Clever Seinfeld and Clash references.

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    • on January 12, 2013 at 11:09 am DarkTriad

      Proof that any of them have actually waited? They can get their needs met and still get to play the martyr….and I’m sure that’s exactly what’s happening. As for the 99% that can’t even put on the show of loyalty that long? The’re not qualified to be on the show, so we’ve got major sample bias.

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  43. on January 11, 2013 at 12:14 pm naguala

    I’VE FOUND A 10!

    YOUR THOUGHTS?
    THX

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 1:15 pm Anonymous

      I’d do her.

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 1:39 pm Jumbobeef

      Perfect, but she is not a 10 because her photo doesn’t show her waist line and butt cheeks.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 5:31 pm happycrow

        She’s cute, no question, especially if you’re a classical-features guy.

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      • on January 11, 2013 at 5:32 pm happycrow

        Her swimsuit shots are significantly less appealing — this is one of those gals who benefits tremendously from hinting rather than showing.

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    • on January 11, 2013 at 5:26 pm John Dark

      Oh Naguala, what good taste you have! I so agree! She is a young and upcoming Dutch model, her name is Mahja Krag. Se has not done any nude work yet but she has done a radioactively hot pictorial in S Magazine (upscale photo erotic/fashion mag).

      Other Dutch models; Rianne Ten Haken, Dioni Tabbers, Lara Stone,…..

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    • on January 12, 2013 at 4:31 pm Hugh G. Rection

      Might be, send her over to my place for inspection.

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  44. on January 11, 2013 at 1:16 pm Anonymous

    What kind of woman? Breathing and fertile. AWALT.

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  45. on January 11, 2013 at 9:47 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””http://www.ejfi.org/family/family-91.htm
    February 2, 2006— The Ohio Supreme Court upheld a state law Wednesday that gives men unlimited time to use DNA proof that they are not biological fathers, which means they could stop paying child support.

    Previously, men had one year to challenge support orders with DNA. The law removing the time limit, enacted by the General Assembly in 2000, was challenged by the Cuyahoga County Prosecutors Office.

    Thousands of the 685,000 child support orders in Ohio could be overturned, sending mothers and child support enforcement agencies searching for the real fathers.

    An estimated one-fourth to one-third of DNA paternity tests nationwide result in men learning that they are not the fathers, according to the American Association of Blood Banks, which monitors the laboratories doing the tests.

    In Cuyahoga County in the last five years, an average of 120 men a year sought DNA tests. About 40 a year had their child support orders dismissed. [one third]
    ”””””””
    25 to 33 percent not the father dam!
    i guess ohio no time limit on paternity test

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  46. on January 12, 2013 at 4:39 pm women ovulation calendar

    I like looking through an article that can make men and women think.
    Also, many thanks for permitting me to comment!

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  47. on January 12, 2013 at 10:24 pm Ronin

    Heartiste, you are correct that higher IQ is positively correlated with good looks.

    I think it was on Neatorama about a year and a half ago.

    I believe the bump is a minimum of 6 points.

    This ~may have been what they linked to: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200903/beautiful-people-are-more-intelligent-i

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  48. on January 13, 2013 at 12:56 am Ronin

    Could high-value women not cuckolding also be threat of Violence from alphas, too?

    Betas don’t seem the type to inspire that fear.

    Also, I hear this awhile ago and can’t think of where, but it goes ~”If you don’t treat a rough person roughly, they will never respect you.”
    Maybe there is a part of some women’s souls that also needs ~rough treatment.

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  49. on January 13, 2013 at 5:19 am gunslingergregi

    depends how they grew up i guess this chick tells me that it is ok if i hit her she will stay with me.
    Im like ahh that won’t make me feel good to hit you.

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  50. on January 13, 2013 at 5:26 am Disillusioned.

    Fuck it.

    The way things are going you are better off taking a trip to Bangkok and visting the establishments where you can bang Russian/Eastern European and Asian whores at bargain basement prices.

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  51. on January 13, 2013 at 1:45 pm UMCW

    I suspect muscular arm desirability is inversely proportional to social class. I’ve never seen a beautiful upper-class woman with a meathead. Instead they typically go for men that are tall, thin, impeccably dressed, and most importantly – have money. … On the other hand, physical strength appears to be something lower class women are impressed by.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 12:47 am NiteLily

      That’s right, we usually like clean-cut professional men. That’s why I can’t understand the kinds of women who go for the hood-type of guys all the men here tell tales about. Are these stories real, or are they just a figment of an overactive imagination based on one or two incidents that turned out to be exaggerated to the max. In fact, even a man like Tucker Max turns me off. His antics are disgusting and I don’t know what types of girls sleep with him when he wants nothing but sex and he’s so disrespectful. Most of the girls he beds are stupid. It’s impossible to respect girls like that.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 11:32 am Anon

      I had a few uppity swpls who adored my big biceps.

      Although I’m not exactly a meathead (I’m not hy-ooge and I don’t juice up), I wouldn’t trade my muscles for anything in the world. As I didn’t notice that they could hurt my chances with any categories of females. Most girls don’t notice anything (maybe they’re used to ripped guys who constitute probably between 60-80% of the cock carousel). Some do, and try to tease me about it. Those shit tests are easily passed, and chicks do love ripped guys who are not obsessed with their looks and don’t make much of a fuss about their workout routines and nutrition. Make it sound completely natural.

      And most guys on here agree that muscles are not relevant to pussy access. The extra-confidence is helpful for many guys. Aesthetics are also important because a muscular male body simply looks good (no homo). But I mostly do it for long-term health reasons, and I love the feeling of testosterone simmering in my blood.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 5:25 pm michaeltx

      UMCW, Interesting, I observe the same here in Texas.

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  52. on January 14, 2013 at 1:14 am gunslingergregi

    i honestly feel bad for the dudes in the hood lol its pathetic

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  53. on January 22, 2013 at 3:18 pm Doc

    It’s interesting that I was introduced to sex by an older woman who was married, and as it turned out, trying to get pregnant without success. Apparently this is quite common, and such women tend to get pregnant MUCH more often when cheating on their husband. Now, I was very young, and very horny and she was attractive to me – of course, at the time a knot-hole probably would have been attractive. But I digress. However, that pretty much was my MO during high-school and college – sex with older married women since they didn’t want more than I was willing to give, and I didn’t have to play all of the games of younger women to get them into bed.

    Of course as I’ve gotten older, I now find the young women a challenge and well worth the effort – for the same reason I tended to enjoy the older women when I was younger. In both cases, I am clearly not long-term relationship material, so it’s just sex and that is fine with me since it has protected me – well, that and trusts so that I own little on paper…

    So, I would say that the women when I was younger all cuckolded their husbands for a simple reason, they wanted to get pregnant – but it was also definitely a turn on for them to be having sex while talking to their husband on the phone. (And I suspect that part of their pregnancy was due to being so turned on by having sex with someone that was so WRONG.) Of course, today the same thing goes for younger women I take to my bed, who make their BF wear a condom, and yet they allow the older-guy they just met to ride them bare-back – of course they are upset when I cum in them, but more often than not they will chastise me for being “such a bad man” and come back for more. The shear number who aren’t on any type of BC is amazing, and I cannot fathom a guy that puts up with that non-sense.

    Now it could be argued I am playing with fire, and I am – but no eighteen yr old will admit to getting knocked up by the guy older than her Mother (since most do not know their Father). When it is so much easier to point at the clueless boyfriend… That is why I avoid women in their desperate years – to them, I would be acceptable “marriage” material and even coveted. Easier to avoid them and be the “dirty little secret” that turns them on and they never admit.

    So I would say that the reason women cuckold men, is because it turns them on.

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