Reader Zombie Shane (ha!) writes:
IN THE COMMENTS, leave samples and excerpts from the GREAT BOOKZ which teach game!!
From the Cads -vs- Dads point of view, Jane Austen tried to warn her womynz about jerks like John Willoughby and George Wickham.
Yes, the classics are filled with examples of chicklove for badboys, and warnings to avoid falling under their spells. What’s interesting about this is that wiser women wouldn’t have to warn the sisterhood about jerks if women weren’t already naturally attracted to jerks. I mean, you don’t see women warning other women to avoid exhilarating romantic entanglements with boringly reliable beta males. Women do that all on their own. This is elementary logic that escapes the walnut-sized brains of feminists and manboobs.
On the flip side, in contrast to the jerk avoidance warnings, what you see are older women advising younger women to seriously consider the invisible charms of stable betaboys. Apparently, women have to be coaxed and cajoled to understand and appreciate the intangible benefits of dating betas who will treat them with respect and kindness.
Emily Bronte is no slouch on bad boy love. Except her bad boy doesn’t beat her, knock her up, and leave her destitute. Instead he loves her from beyond death. I believe the book was titled “Wuthering Hamsters.”
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What about Charlotte? Her love for her married employer inspired Jane Eyre. In Jane Eyre, she ultimately gets the man tortured by his past of being tricked into.a marriage with a woman of unsound mind by using girl game strategies of being quiet and calm 😉
With Emily book, Wuthering Heights, the protagonist, Catherine, actually chose the beta (Linton) over the bad boy (Heathcliff)- even though she loved Heathcliff more- knowing it was the right decision.
[Heartiste: Right, but that gets at the crux of the “problem”: women have to *deny* their sexual essences to choose beta males as romantic partners. I’m sure all those beta males feel lucky to be the logical choice of women, instead of the love choice of women.]
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One movie I really like is The New World. It illustrates Pocohontas’ love for John Smith (alpha) and her subsequent marriage to the man who puts her back together again after Smith leaves telling others to explain to her he died in the crossing to England. When she travels to Engand with her husband and learns that John Smith is actually still alive, the husband allows her to go see him, and you see him agonizing while she is away. The movie doesn’t show what happened in their meeting. All you see is this great scene of her RUNNING to her husband afterwards. Maybe it doesn’t feel so great to appear second choice, but, these are the guys who get to experience being husbands and fathers, and I think that’s something.
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” these are the guys who get to experience being husbands and fathers, and I think that’s something”
I can’t help but think of the Bruce Willis smirk posted in the CH archives when thinking of consolation prizes to console the beta male on coming in 2nd place…
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Its only second place from the perspective of someone who doesn’t want a wife and family.
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And if you are the only guy to ever have sex with her, that’s kind of like . . . . first place.
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Wrong. Its 2nd place if she *prefers* another guy (alpha male), regardless of whether she settled for a long-term commitment with her 2nd place choice (beta male).
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Ah, but she didn’t. She may have loved him in the past, but the love and life she shared with her husband surpassed that, making him first place.
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Wrong. Its 2nd place if she *prefers* another guy (alpha male), regardless of whether she settled for a long-term commitment with her 2nd place choice (beta male).
To quote our host, all that matters is penis in vagina.
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@ Kate. lolz at how you manage to (irrationally) posit that the beta chump gets first place for being the (logical but) second choice of the said female. How lucky is he to then be stuck with all the b.s. of marriage and whatever (potential) headache that the “union” brings down the road while his “prized wife” stills entertain the idea of cuckolding. Hamster…exit left.
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I am using an example that is four-hundred years old! Back to school, little olive 🙂
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Even i cannot believe that someone would say that with a straight face and without laughing out loud and the Beta husband is pegged by the Alpha, who still runs over the emotions of his “beloved” wife, But to think of it does anybody have any idea of real life situation where the wife leaves the Alpha and runs back to her beta husband, ANYONE! Even 1 example would do us a favor and may change our mind on wife and family, Do i hear crickets! tsk! tsk! so we have a movie review but not only life instance where the Beta actually wins over, That is why they say Beta may become the one to wear (If she doesn’t divorce his ass, which is highly unlikely as we have seen 75% divorces initiated by women) the label of Husband but the Hole belongs to the Alpha who comes in her dream every night.
Look at the example in the past few weeks when Chateau posted the BOTM who was cheated and later got to raise another man’s spawn, Can’t stop my laughing after this, maybe Kate thinks that a woman who fucks the whole football team and later marrying the beta boy makes the BETA BOY LUCKY CHUMP to even have a time with her, YAY beta boy get back to please her she needs you between her legs, OHHHHH not for PIV sex you silly, for some lesbian rug munching.
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I am talking about normal women with values, judgement, and perspective- ones who don’t sleep with entire football teams. They will likely vascillate between alphas and betas each one acting as an antidote to the other one. The reason this is so hard for you to fathom is that man’s ego does not allow for the very realistic occurrence of being forgotten about. Sure there will be memories of other people, but build something meaningful enough with someone and the past is obliterated.
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Kate would you kindly tell me where those *normal* women are because i havn’t in my years seen one, i had experiences with slut walkers, pro choicers, asexual beasts, fatties marching for male attention, Bisexual and lesbian whores, shrieking feminist hags but i didn’t see any *normal* women in those bunch not in the conservatives too, even those churchian ladies are mostly not *normal*, the big bunch of christianity is hanging onto feminism and its tenants that there is nothing *normal* in the daily lifes of women these days.
Between your new pics are really nice, i would rate you a 5 “well actually a 4 but you have got a toned body and those hips are lovely but didn’t had a good show of your breasts are those 34B or D, if i am wrong kindly write your figure graph and i have given you 1 point extra for being smart above average women *which is because that after cock carousal you learned the life lesson”.
>The reason this is so hard for you to fathom is that man’s ego does not allow for the very realistic occurrence of being forgotten about. Sure there will be memories of other people, but build something meaningful enough with someone and the past is obliterated.
What is so hard that we cannot fathom? I don’t know what ego you are criticizing right now, the ego of having an unused women, ego of not wanting left overs? or is it that men should accept sluts even if they cheat after marriage, kindly give me 1 example of such where the wife had build something meaningful for the beta husband or she has forgotten about the memories about her Alpha lover?. The past doesn’t just wash away by drinking from the holy grail, it is there and it bothers most men that they are using something that has already been opened by some other men and they are the sloppy seconds.
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If you want to find normal women you should look for them in small towns. For a thirty-four year old mother of a six year old, my looks are fine. I was with my ex-husband for ten years and in the four years I’ve been divorced I haven’t exactly been out clubbing it up.
As for what men can’t fathom, let me try to explain again. Its not that you guys shouldn’t get to have a good woman. You totally should! What I’m saying is that people, because of their belief that they are somehow unique and special, find it hard to believe that they will be forgetten and replaced. Our egos don’t allow it, but that is what happens. So, imagine a woman broke up with an alpha and married a beta. The alpha can’t imagine the woman no longer loves him because his ego can’t believe that, when, in fact, she may very well have forgotten about the alpha because she is so happy with the beta.
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Your looks are indeed fine, and more than that… so get out while ye may and gather some more rosebuds…
And I don’t mean sleds.
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Thank you. I’m a’trying. I’ve got two new ones rousted up after a few days on autoflirt.
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Kate,
I second Eliot on this rare occasion; you’re looks are indeed fine.
I also agree with you about picking the beta over the alpha and being happy with that choice. So the beta isn’t going to give you the most thrilling sex every night, but at least you won’t get STDs from him and he won’t leave you eventually for some other slut. And the funny thing about it all, it’s all a waste of time in the end anyway because even the alpha can’t sustain this kind of lifestyle forever. He himself is chasing the wind – eventually becoming jaded where no woman would be able to satisfy him. I can see some of the guys here already developing pessimistic feelings regarding women. Eventually, some alphas might decide to take a different route and settle down, but it has to be early enough. Otherwise, if it’s too late, no decent women would have them unless he was some mogul or famous person. Many self-aware women with a little bit of common sense and substance end up making the choice you describe. It’s a choice, like everything else in life: Happiness now for a short time and for instant gratification purposes, or slow developing happiness that is more long-lasting and will keep you warm at night while everyone else your age is chasing kites.
@The Man Who Was . . .
“And if you are the only guy to ever have sex with her, that’s kind of like . . . . first place.”
If that’s the case, you are indeed in first place.
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Sorry, I meant your looks are indeed fine.
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Thank you, NiteLilly. That’s nice of you to say. If you look closely, your gravatar had nice breasts and a good WHR 🙂
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Er, and I meant one “l” and *has*. The only thing I’d work on is those horns! 🙂
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Kate: If you want to find normal women you should look for them in small towns. For a thirty-four year old mother of a six year old, my looks are fine. I was with my ex-husband for ten years and in the four years I’ve been divorced I haven’t exactly been out clubbing it up.
Jesus H Christ, Kate, there are THOUSANDS [tens of thousands? hundreds of thousands?] of single dudes in the Dark Enlightenment and the HBD-o-sphere and the MilCon blogs etc etc etc who would gladly put a few more buns in your oven.
Woman, get the hell out there and put yourself back on the marketplace and find a good paleocon dude and get yourself knocked up posthaste – we need them ovaries back in action working overtime to help protect civilization from the coming dysgenic apocalypse.
Seriously.
Please.
Save the world.
And have the time of your life while you’re doing it.
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That was very sweet. Thank you. Because I am divorced with a child, I am limited by law to live within my county unless I have the permission of my ex-husband to move somewhere else. Naturally, he does not want us to leave. Its been pretty hard to find anyone local who meets my standards, so the challenge has been lowering them and trying not to think about what things might be like if I were free to be with people I have loved who live too far away.
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Pocohontas was a sellout. Other Native Americans called her an “apple”; red on the outside, white on the inside.
The only Indians they teach you about in school are the ones that helped the white man.
(((shakin my head)))
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Other Native Americans called her an “apple”; red on the outside, white on the inside.
LOL’ed.
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The Indiana indians were extremely proud of their race consciousness and purity… hence they named their capital Indianappleless.
Of course, the white man later gained sway and brutally adjusted the spelling.
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“Indianappleless”
None of us saw that coming.
Nice.
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What? Like the Apache and Comanche and Souix? The fucking Aztecs? Because, let me see, I’m pretty sure they were neither helpful nor particularly interested in the whites being on their land…
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You must be a bounty then (black on the outside, white on the inside).
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The usual parlance is Oreo.
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your butt is getting big
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That picture is a year old, silly. I’m actually in better shape now. The stairmaster is my best friend 🙂
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Too bad, I could have spanked down for you.
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very nice me like
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no its not.
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No big enough for you obviously.
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Most human beings have to settle. (How many alphas have slept with Giselle lately?) Historically, many women wouldn’t even go near the ‘cad’s because they’d ruin their chances of marriage and family with the ‘dad’s, who were the better long-term pick. In this case, the woman’s sexual essence is irrelevant, in the sense that most people would prefer a Ferrari but settle for Toyotas and Fords.
(Also, a lot of nerds overvalue logic, so that doesn’t sound that bad…)
Feminism and no-fault divorce make being a ‘dad’ a worse strategy because you’re way too financially exposed to divorce rape. So, yes, being a beta male used to be a pretty good strategy, and the old marry-a-single-guy-and-have-kids routine is still practiced among the upper-middle class. They mess around first, but they basically do the old Victorian game of finding a suitable partner, while putting feminist trappings on it.
The rest of the social scale, of course, is sliding into the vast morass acutely described by CH. It’s a matter of degree, which has changed hugely: while before most guys did the beta thing and it worked, now it’s a fool’s move as the number of men ruined by divorce-rape rises.
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The Brontes are great but I often wonder if they are a good influence on young women.
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Probably not.
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Especially considering Charlotte was the only one who actually married. The other two died youngish maids and Charlotte herself died not all that long after she was married.
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Austen didn’t marry either, but she’s a much better influence.
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My understanding is that she found love but the relationship was thwarted by the man’s guardian. I guess they almost ran away together. She turned down another man’s proposal because she felt if she had a family she wouldn’t have a time to write. I agree she is a better influence and writes about very practical and honest women and decries the behavior of women who don’t conform to those traits.
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Kate in her element. You should start an online book club, lit mistress.
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Austen wrote some great stuff. Some of her novels got adapted into other media without attribution, for instance the 1990s movie Clueless was based on Austen’s Emma. What strikes me is the goddamn near total absence of any good advice being passed down from mature women to today’s younger women. It’s considered mean to simply state the obvious, and a lot of people are too dumb to even understand the obvious.
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Kate should change that gay photo of herself.
Put on your jeans, hop on the back of some guys bike and have someone in a car behind you take the photo.
*you’re welcome*
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That would be fun. But there are only so many hours in the day. I just talked my boss into letting me teach The Iliad to my eighth graders 🙂 I try to post some good poetry at my site, but I don’t have time to write the analysis of it. Did you read my article on Ghosts at Eradica?
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Alright, thwack, but only because I’m feeling cheeky. The others have already seen this and they don’t give a damn 🙂
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Reminds me of the story I heard about Marilyn sitting through the daily rushes of one of her movies after having attending that Strasbourg acting school… I think it was Bus Stop, and someone remarked about one of the close-ups where the faces were prominent but the tops of the head were cut-off:
Says Marilyn in her best erudite manner: “But the audience already knows they have tops to their heads… it’s been established.”
BTW, you’re a floozy for letting thwack wear you down.
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“After he ascended the throne of Crete, Minos competed with his brothers to rule. Minos prayed to Poseidon to send him a snow-white bull, as a sign of support (the Cretan Bull). He was to kill the bull to show honor to Poseidon, but decided to keep it instead because of its beauty. He thought Poseidon would not care if he kept the white bull and sacrificed one of his own. To punish Minos, Aphrodite made Pasiphaë, Minos’ wife, fall deeply in love with the bull. Pasiphaë had the archetypal craftsman Daedalus make a hollow wooden cow, and climbed inside it in order to mate with the white bull. The offspring was the monstrous Minotaur. Pasiphaë nursed him in his infancy, but he grew and became ferocious, being the unnatural offspring of man and beast, he had no natural source of nourishment and thus devoured man for sustenance. Minos, after getting advice from the oracle at Delphi, had Daedalus construct a gigantic labyrinth to hold the Minotaur. Its location was near Minos’ palace in Knossos”
–http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minotaur
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hearrsitesz writes, “On the flip side, in contrast to the jerk avoidance warnings, what you see are older women advising younger women to seriously consider the invisible charms of stable betaboys. Apparently, women have to be coaxed and cajoled to understand and appreciate the intangible benefits of dating betas who will treat them with respect and kindness.”
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This is surely why, historically, no one thought the current regime of simply letting young and not-so-young people pick their mates was a great idea. You might bond with a beta if it’s “one man, one woman, for life” the old regime of mating, where families had a lot to do with who you could and couldn’t respectably marry. Now it’s total anarchy, with young girls’ emotions almost totally in control with no chaperoning or any other supervision or guidance, and what we see is a) breakdown of marriages by nonmarrying b) breakdown of marriages by high SMV women divorcing at drop of hat if they get married young c) total whorification of young woen and d) destruction of ability to pair bond due to too much of the butthex in the youth of women.
But at least we’re honoring the wisdom and feelings of young women and that’s the important thing. Oh yeah, we’re destroying civilizaztion in the process. Great job sexual revolution, Abbie Hoffman, Alan Ginsberg, Gloria Steinam, and all the rest.
Anyone notice something they have in common?
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Don’t say it… or you’ll never work in this town again!
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The same thing Mary Wollstonecroft (the mother not the daughter), William Blake (the poet not the actor who murdered his wife), Thoreau, and all the other Christian revolutionary start-from-zero people had in common: new aristocrats wanting a Platonic Ideal state coupled with the Spartan idea of the State as arbiter of everything including family. Blake and Wollstonecroft wanted to destroy the nuclear family and marriage back in the 1750’s and 1790’s respectively, so that’s nothing new. Plato argued for it in the Republic back in the 4th Century BC for that matter. The Spartans practiced it (youth cohort, family removal, etc.) back to 700 BC. Its nothing new. The French revolutionaries and early Soviets practiced this too as did the Red Guards.
The nuclear family has always had the same enemies: new arrival aristos fearing the same threat from beneath them. Knowing full well how they threatened or overturned the old aristos, they don’t want the same happening to THEM.
Nothing new or original here. Supposing of course history exists from before 1963.
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The Spartans are interesting. They get tagged as “conservatives” even though they were nothing of the sort (though they were admired by a lot of people in Ancient Greece who should have known better). They seem more like fascists, modernist authoritarians, to me.
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Jesus H Christ, Evil Neocon is out banging the drums for The Tribe at every dadgum website on the innert00bz.
Dude must not sleep.
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But it’s true that leftism was off to banging start well before Jewish emancipation, and that it has flourished anyways in places where there aren’t really any Jews.
Also, Ancient China had its own homegrown variety of leftism in Mohism going back to its earliest days.
No doubt the tribe really likes leftism, but I doubt we’d be in any different a situation if they had completely disappeared before modern times.
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Heh, heh… when was the last time you tried to sell something and got Wollstonecroft’ed down?
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Whiskey you are dead on.
For me, there is so much prescience in Orwell’s “Animal Farm,” of all things.
The people on the bottom want to be on top. And once you let them be on top, they want to destroy anyone else from challenging their supremacy.
This is what we have right now. The Ron Unz study on Ivy League Admissions reveals that Jews for some reason are being admitted 6X what they should be based on SAT scores.
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/12/19/fears-of-an-asian-quota-in-the-ivy-league/statistics-indicate-an-ivy-league-asian-quota
Yet for years all we heard was how the WASP Ruling Class a generation ago had quotas that kept Jews out?
Well – what is it?
You either control or be controlled.
My life is too short to play the sucker.
If you think I’m going wrong, I’d be interested in hearing your argument:
http://www.amazon.com/Might-Survival-Fittest-Ragnar-Redbeard/dp/0972823301
“The world is a gruesome butchershop.”
“The successful man of affairs is a SCALP HUNTER…..”
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Whiskey: ROBERT Blake was the actor who murdered his wife.
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had a vibe roach was going for something different there….
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Yes, the classics are filled with examples of chicklove for badboys, and warnings to avoid falling under their spells
Funny you should mention that: I wrote a post that mentioned an opposed but similar phenomenon:
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Gatsby had oneitis for Daisy. Romeo, on the other hand, would have fallen in love with anyone. Not long before Juliet was Rosaline.
[Heartiste: Gatsby is one of the most egregiously nauseating betas in modern lit. But at the time the book was written, his kind may not have been as off-putting or inscrutable to the readership as he is to today’s readership.]
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yes! fitzgerald shows the tragedy of the romantic beta who believesz in “love” and divinity zlzozozloz
we’re sympathetic to gatsby because he dreamed teh dream and teh world fell short, so whl ehe is a tragic chaaacterz, we can yet see his beta nobiloity
[Heartiste: The man who refuses cynicism and suffers for it is one of the most tragic figures imaginable.]
and an even greater beta in the naarrative is the mechanic whose wife myrtl is fucking tom–daisy’s rich alpha husband. the mechanic dies and in many ways he is a lesser gatsby as his true love–myrtle–who tom hits and breaks her nose–is also fucking tom as is daisy.
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And without spoiling the story too much for anyone, the betas cancel each other out and the alpha reigns supreme. The book centered on the contrast in the kind of money Gatsby and Tom had, but the real difference between them was alphabetical.
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Kate: ” the real difference between them was alphabetical”.
I like that phase. At first sight, the difference doesn’t seem to be great. But we know that it is.
With your permission I’ll use it. (I’ll use it anyway, of course, but I was well raised.)
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You have my permission to disregard my permission 🙂
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I don’t think there has ever been a time except ours where the psychology of a person was so important. Looks and money used to be enough! Maybe with a decline in looks and a poor economy, its our last bastion.
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Not sure if you’d count it as “modern” but by far a worse beta is Dobbin in “Vanity Fair”. He pines after Amelia for something like thirty years after her husband’s death before she finally is persuaded to give him the time of day.
Best alpha? In the running would definitely be “One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest”‘s MacMurphy (the movie tone it way down). MacMurphy is the kind of alpha that inspires other men to be alpha, and that’s why “the combine” has to shut him down.
No book is a better allegory for our feminized society and for how the Feminine Imperative castrates men.
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What about the guy in Love in the Time of Cholera? Beta loses woman to alpha, sleeps with countless other women till the alpha dies, and finally wins over the woman in their wrinkled old age 🙂
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Funny you should mention both of those books… they’ve been on the top of my “overrated” list for decades.
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For a good laugh at the most notorious example of oneitis …
… check out Yvain, by Chretien de Troyes. A medieval writer of romances whose main character defines “white-knighting”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvain,_the_Knight_of_the_Lion
Sigh. Those knights-errant: screwing up efficient courtship for nearly a millenium.
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all you fanboy fuckatrdz who say dat da GREAT BOOKZ knew nothing of womenz and game, just because you couldn’t find a passage in Homer that allowed you to get a deosuled ebernankifed womenzto spread her buttcheeeks for you last night, here is another passage from anicnet litertaure from the roman PEOT JUVENAL who understood womenz liek the NOBLE HEEARTITES does:
“Eppia, though the wife of a senator, went off with a gladiator to Pharos and the Nile on the notorious walls of Alexandria (though even Egypt condemns Rome’s disgusting morals). Forgetting her home, her husband, and her sister, she showed no concern whatever for her homeland (she was shameless) and her children in tears, and (you’ll be dumbfounded by this) she left the theatre and Paris the actor behind. Even though when she was a baby she was pillowed in great luxury, in the down of her father’s mansion, in a cradle of the finest workmanship, she didn’t worry about the dangers of sea travel (she had long since stopped worrying about her reputation, the loss of which among rich ladies’ soft cushions does not matter much). Therefore with heart undaunted she braved the waves of the Adriatic and the wide-resounding Ionian Sea (to get to Egypt she had to change seas frequently).
You see, if there’s a good reason for undertaking a dangerous voyage, then women are fearful; their cowardly breasts are chilled with icy dread; they cannot stand on their trembling feet. But they show courageous spirit in affairs they’re determined to enter illicitly. If it’s their husband who wants them to go, then it’s a problem to get on board ship. They can’t stand the bilge-water; the skies spin around them. The woman who goes off with her lover of course has no qualms. She eats dinner with the sailors, walks the quarter-deck, and enjoys hauling rough ropes. Meanwhile the first woman gets sick all over her husband.
And yet what was the glamour that set her on fire, what was the prime manhood that captured Eppia’s heart? What was it she saw in him, that would compensate for her being called Gladiatrix? [1] Note that her lover, dear Sergius, had now started shaving his neck, and was hoping to be released from duty because of a bad wound on his arm. Moreover, his face was deformed in a number of ways: he had a mark where his helmet rubbed him, and a big wart between his nostrils, and a smelly discharge always dripping from his eye. But he was a gladiator. That made him look as beautiful as Apollo’s friend Hyacinth. This is what she preferred to her children and her homeland, her sister and her husband. It’s the sword they’re in love with: this same Sergius, once released from service, would begin to seem like her husband Veiento.
Do you care about a private citizen’s house, about Eppia’s doings? Turn your eyes to the gods’ rivals. Hear what the Emperor Claudius had to put up with. As soon as his wife thought that he was asleep, this imperial whore [2] put on the hood she wore at night, determined to prefer a cheap pad to the royal bed, and left the house with one female slave only. No, hiding her black hair in a yellow wig she entered the brothel, warm with its old patchwork quilts and her empty cell, her very own. Then she took her stand, naked, her nipples gilded, assuming the name of Lycisca, and displayed the stomach you came from, noble Brittanicus. She obligingly received customers and asked for her money, and lay there through the night taking in the thrusts of all comers. Then when the pimp sent the girls home, at last she went away sadly, and (it was all she could do) was the last to close up her cell-she was still burning, her vagina stiff and erected; tired by men, but not yet satisfied, she left, her face dirty and bruised, grimy with lamp smoke, she brought back to her pillow the smell of the brothel.
Isn’t there anyone then in such large herds of women that’s worth marrying? Let her be beautiful, graceful, rich, fertile, let her place on her porticoes her ancestors’ statues; let her be more virginal than the Sabine women (the ones that with their dishevelled hair brought the war with Rome to an end); [3] let her be a phoenix on earth, something like a black swan-but who could stand a wife who has every virtue? I’d rather have (much rather) a gal from Venusia than you, Cornelia, mother of the Gracchi, if along with your great excellence you bring a snob’s brow and count your family’s triumphs as part of your dowry. [4]
All chance of domestic harmony is lost while your wife’s mother is living.. . .
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–http://www.stoa.org/diotima/anthology/wlgr/wlgr-mensopinions69.shtml
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So, in other words in order to get the girl, become a moviestar or professional athlete. Great advice there, Poindexter.
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lozozzzozo no i’m saying just be a man living by a code of honor, instead of a utthexting, sectrely taper of butthext manipulate furry-hat wearing gaming butthole-seekingz little, soulless famnoby
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Don’t construct your life around the pursuit of women, construct the pursuit of women around a worthwhile life.
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dude if you go out and do something coolz with your life, the women will cum to u so u can cum on them zlzoozlzlzolzlzoz acieveinementz and succtehete is da ultimate gamez zlozolzozz
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I’d say the attitudes that allow you to succeed with women often will allow you to succeed in other pursuits as well.
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I’d say the attitudes that allow you to succeed with women often will allow you to succeed in other pursuits as well.
Yes and no, we’ve all known successful men who underperform with or get taken to the cleaners by women. Doing well with women is, to a certain extent, a highly specific skill set.
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For the billionth time on this blog, game works on all girls.
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Eyeroll.
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BTW I hope the irony is not lost on you that this blogpost is about how “chicks dig jerks” is not exactly a recent phenomenon.
But then logic isn’t your strong suit.
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her vagina stiff and erected
How does a vagina get stiff and erect?
A clitoris maybe.*
Hey, wasn’t there a scene in Smilla’s Sense of Snow where the beta had his urethra fucked by the bitch’s erect clitoris?
[*Or maybe the idea is that the vagina is stiff (= sore) from having been “erected” by so many erections?]
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take a biology class. the vagina engorges with blood and opens and rises up within the pelvic cavity.
what impresses me about that passage is that they knew that thousands of years ago! and we think we are just hot sh#t in the 21st century!
the more i’m exposed to acient writings, the more was loss with the burning of the Library of Alexandria than we will ever know.
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late edit: the more i realize more was lost with the burning of the Library of Alexandria than we will ever know.
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take a biology class. the vagina engorges with blood and opens and rises up within the pelvic cavity.
You know, I actually thought about that possiblity – but then I dismissed it as being ludicrous [in a pre-modern age, without Magnetic Resonance Imaging and Computed Tomography and whatnot].
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take a biology class. the vagina engorges with blood and opens and rises up within the pelvic cavity.
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this is the pussy you remember the next day by thinking, “damn, that was some really good pussy last night”
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Leading to “ur pussy rocks!” texting.
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No, you don’t say that because you have to figure out why the pussy was so much better that time than before.
When the pussy gets extra swole like that, you hafta wonder.
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Once i was a with a woman, she had a 2cm clit. she was a petite blonde but let me tell you this that pussy was the best i ever had not only the folds and labia were warm, it was the first time that i fucked a women and stayed with her for 5 long months 😀
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Wasn’t it Ovid who had the whole book on how to get laid, including when to take girls to football…er, gladiatoral games?
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“On the flip side, in contrast to the jerk avoidance warnings, what you see are older women advising younger women to seriously consider the invisible charms of stable betaboys.”….
Cougars trying to keep the alpha jerks for their own pleasure?
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Older women have already hit their wall and they know what happens to you when your alpha thinks you’re ugle.
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Foresight and morals… wisdom from older women that younger ones (and even frivolous-divorced cougars) don’t get now. Enjoy the bumpy carousel ride and the buying of TidyCat and Friskies, ladies… don’t forget to tell those who follow what you’ve learned.
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It’s an interesting indictment of blogs like Hooking Up Smart that women’s natural tastes lean towards Alpha Bad Boy dominant behavior, while an appreciation of beta providership has to be learned.
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I watch television commercials and count how many times I see a typical beta-looking dude made to look like a chump by doing stupid, incompetent stuff. And who’s there in the commercials looking like alphas rolling their eyes at the poor saps? Yeah, women.
On a side note, bad-boys to women are like happy hours to dudes. Women will never like Mondays more than Fridays.
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Don’t tell SW. She is busy trying to administer herself the blue pill again. You can only increase her huge cognitive dissonance.
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It takes more training under some conditions than others. One powerful instinct that used to work in favor of the beta was abject fear. During other eras, if you gave it up for the wrong alpha you were likely to find yourself like Fantime in Les Miserables, starving, selling your hair and your body to keep the kid alive.
The rich kids that Austen’s characters were warned about needed the warning because they were shielded from the possiblity of this happening to them.
This is why game in the era of Laclos and the Duke of Richlieu included “I was a rake, but you inspired me to change my awful ways”. It would be stupid to use that line today under most circumstances because there’s no consequence for falling for the wrong guy.
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The only group of people I’ve found where a sizeable fraction of the young girls actually goes after stable betas is Asians, and even most Asian girls will go for a badboy who isn’t too much of an asshole.
[Heartiste: While I don’t have hard data, I suspect based on limited sample size that degree of female desire for assholes, and the degree of assholery sufficient to inspire female desire, does vary by race. Rushton’s Rule probably applies to this arena as well.]
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Most Asian women will go for a typical beta, but only if he’s white. White men are in general more alpha in personality and physicality than Asian men. So, in effect, they (white men) are percieved to hold a higher rung on the social ladder then Asians. The result is the same – hypergamy. It’s just occuring at a relatively lower threshold then what’s become the norm in the over inflated dating market.
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Nice call.
I always found it that confusing.
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I dont really buy this as, frankly, Asian men are the least alpha and smallest in stature of all races. So why dont other races do as well with Asian women as White men?
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So why dont other races do as well with Asian women as White men?
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I don’t know, but I suspect its because of the SMV of “whiteness” in a system of white supremacy.
Historically, “whiteness” has had an alpha quality all its own in relation to females.
Neecy is ready to give it up to any white guy here. But she’s gonna try and make me go on 3 dates with her and meet my parents before I can get a crack at the poon.
(((shakin my head)))
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Better put a ring on it… LLLZOZOOOOZOZOZOZOZOZOZOZOLLZLZLZLLZ
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Why are 3 dates unreasonable?
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3 dates are unreasonable if she ever put out in less time before. And every modern woman has. Especially over 23. I met a snowflake recently who just wouldn’t shut up and talked about all the mistakes she made and how she used to put out for guys left and right. She’s 31 now and on JDate looking for man. She MAKES THEM WAIT — WEEKS — before she will even consider sliding her panties off…. and then wonders why the guys lose interest before 3 dates or even 2. She’s a screaming red flag with two sirens on top.
Whenever any chick over 21 pretends she is “saving it for marriage”, or “must have 3 dates first”, or uses the term “friends first”, or pretends like her vagina is made out of porcelain……
Ask her:
“Have you ever had a one night stand before?”
(OF COURSE most modern women have)
“Well then why would you put out for guys you are NOT interested in , and WITHHOLD it from guys you ARE interested in for something more permanent????”
Holy shit, does that ever put a whore’s hamster into high gear. Ho boy did she ever start wailing.
MEN: If she ever put out in less than 3 dates before, while making YOU wait, DUMP HER right there. Her vagina is not worth waiting for. And NOW after all the butt-cocking and spreading her legs she did for OTHER guys, she now has the nerve to pretend some sucker should sit through 3 meals first??
Please.
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Believe it or not I agree with you. So many girls sleep around with men they are not necessarily interested to have an LTR with, and yet when they meet one with potential all of a sudden they are a goody, goody. They act like their whore self with the guys they are not serious about and just want to sleep with, but act all virginal with a man that could be the ONE.
That said, for a woman that doesn’t do one-night stands or doesn’t have casual sex (and believe me there are such girls), 3 dates are not a lot. Believe it or not, there are some women who don’t sleep around. If you don’t know any, then maybe it’s time to look for better quality. Unless, you don’t really care and have no use for them at this time in your life, and that’s fine.
Anyway, if you run away after one date because a woman doesn’t sleep with you, I say goodbye and good riddance. No offense. But all you want is sex, not to develop a serious relationship. Don’t get me wrong, I am not judging you. You have a right to be a player and make your own rules and decision as to what kinds of women you want to date. But likewise, don’t be mad with women who rather take things slow or just won’t sleep with you because they sense that all you want is sex. Everyone makes his/her choice, and there is no need to be resentful.
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I think the reason white men do well with Asian women is simple. They are bigger and more aggressive (in a nice way) and more creative than Asian men. Just testosterone at work. White men are only a little dumber than Asian men, and we know that most women don’t put a really high premium on smarts, so that small difference in intelligence doesn’t matter. You don’t see a lot of Asian women with black men (who seem to prefer blonds in any event) because the intelligence gap between Asians and Africans is just too great, IMHO.
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One data point: skin color – in many Asian cultures, being fair skinned is considered a very attractive quality. So hooking up with a someone of a darker hue, even if he’s very alpha, is considered a bit of a shame.
One of my friends is as dark as night, and incredibly handsome to boot. White women were falling all over him all the time, and Asian women hardly noticed him.
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Yup. White beta = Asian alpha for Asian women.
However, it’s also important to remember that quite a few Asian guys treat women like shit . The most ill-mannered or maladjusted Western man treats a woman much better than an average Asian man. There is an asshole-level threshold at which most normal women of any race will lose interest in man – contrary to what some people around here seem to think, decency has to play a part in a relationship at some point if the woman’s not a total ho. White men also tend to live in areas of the world that aren’t complete shitholes, and are more interested in being part of their children’s lives.
Or, alternately, Asian women are after his cock. White men have bigger cocks. In some cases, significantly larger. They like this.
Either way, they’re after resources.
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Jewish women tend to prefer brainy, booking men. At least from what I’ve seen (and I’ve lived in several heavily Jewish places).
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Or it might just be that there is more social pressure to exclusively date other Jews? I hear Jewish men are shamed a lot if they date “outside the tribe”.
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Dude, you just said the “J word.”
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Gypsy?
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I didn’t hear anything.
See that plane, over there!
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This is true but the Jewish culture is very paternalistic, so that the brainy man is likely to care little about pretty lies and more about running his family with a stern hand. Males and females have strongly defined roles in most strains of Judaism.
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There has to be a reason why Jews are so smart. I think it is true that Jewish women like smart men, and reward such men with marriage and children. Also, I have the impression that dumb Jews are not celebrated in Jewish culture, and tend not to have children or just abandon the Jewish tradition and fade into the general population.
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Not true.
Jewish women are like any other. As long as you have swag, you will get their cunts tingling. However, unlike the philosophy they spout, they are very traditional and are keen to marry a nice Jewish boy who ticks their parent’s checklist.
It should also be noted that the Elie Wiesel indoctrination has given them the disposition to being very masochistic in the sack.
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Well, well, well, Diomedes!
So you dabbled in J? Can’t stay away from sampling the fruit of the forbidden and the object of your hate, eh?
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You dirty little girl. Slide that tongue back into your mouth.
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It’s OK, Diomedes. While Eliot dabbles in Black, you have been dabbling in J, sometimes. Some of you bigots can’t practice what you preach, darlin’ .
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8==============D
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no one ever seems to mention Soren Kiekegaard’s
“The Seducer’s Diary”
The protagonist sets out to pump-n-dump. he does. roll credits.
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The term “jerk” and “asshole” to a woman is interesting to me.
It seems like higher valued men who are dominant are jerks to women so they have to tear the guy down…(bring him back into the crab bucket). The concept of shit tests to me is a woman trying to bring the guy back to a value lower than her.
[Heartiste: The typical shit test by a cute chick is less about bringing a man “down to her level” than it is a subconscious screening method for a man’s ability to remain calm under pressure. The shit tests you are talking about are more like the taunts of fat chicks who are bitter about being ignored.]
Your nice guy is already in the bucket…so there is no need to tear that guy down. He is already below them.
[Most women are not enthusiasts for rubbing salt in the beta’s wounds.]
Anymore when a woman calls me these names I just smile and say “thanks for the compliment.”
[Exactly. You are unmoved by her judgment, as if she is a little child who has adorably lashed out at you for not fairly dividing a bowl of candy. And that is how she likes it.]
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Hastily arranged a booty call last night around 6. Went over, she led me to her room. I acted distant..she sat down next to me. I escalate. She resists. I persist. I put her hand on my cock, blowjob ensues..i leave soon after hastily to “get food”. She texts later that night “why you such an ass”. Me: “good genes i guess”. She followed with a 5+ text litany of whining…where at one point she called me evil. I went to sleep ignoring it. Midday today i texted back “sry u don’t value my company”. Lol. They love assholes.
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you houldda texted her:
u gotz ur food sucking my lotsas cockas,
and now i goota feed it
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Lol ya she got her vitamins and minerals for the day. i had to replenish my cockas
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What about the all time great badboy, Alcibiades? He impregnated the Queen of Sparta!
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For while king Agis was absent, and abroad with the army, he corrupted his wife Timaea, and had a child born by her. Nor did she even deny it, but when she was brought to bed of a son, called him in public Leotychides, but, amongst her confidants and attendants, would whisper that his name was Alcibiades, to such a degree was she transported by her passion for him. He, on the other side, would say, in his vain way, he had not done this thing out of mere wantonness of insult, nor to gratify a passion, but that his race might one day be kings over the Lacedaemonians.
— Plutarch
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Check out “Far From the Madding Crowd” by Thomas Hardy.
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Bad-boy Troy vs boring beta providers Boldwood and Oak.
But Bathsheba only went after Oak in the end when he started being distant … did Gabriel Oak read this blog or was it the wisdom of the ages?
Lots of alpha v beta in Hardy.
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Or better yet, just watch the movie.
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There’s lots of bad boys in the movies. In the last month I’ve seen Louis Jordan play one in two separate movies. He made a great jerk. In “Madame Bovary” the heroine falls for aristocrat Rodolphe Boulanger and in “Letter from an Unknown Woman” the girl falls for concert pianist Stefan Brand. Both affairs end badly for the female.
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If I ever encouter you it’s machete time for your retard negro speak.
[Heartiste: Your IP details have been forwarded to the proper authorities.]
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Huh?
that exchange went right over my head?
Is that the “dog whistle” I hear white people use?
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I would have guessed it was Quentin working on his next screenplay… but he didn’t say nigger.
I had the impression Blur was trying to address GBFM, but I could be wrong.
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Heartiste is black?
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lets not go crazy
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I said it before in the other thread that while the classics have plenty to say about about how perfidious female nature can be, they have precious little insight into how to get and keep the girl. Dante famously didn’t get the girl and pined after her for 40 years. (He was also, like Plato, a fabulously inept politician.) He was also famously Milton’s first wife left him while his second was a holy terror. He also managed to thoroughly alienate his daughters. All of his vivid warnings about female malice and treachery were not enough to give him any insight as to how they should be handled in real life. So, two of the greatest writers in the Western tradition, writers steeped in the Shakespeare, the Bible and the classics were total betas in their love life.
A good analogy is politics. No doubt there is much wisdom in political writers from Plato to Aristotle to Hobbes and Burke and beyond. But all that doesn’t mean that reading those guys will make you into a good statesman. You fucking need practical knowledge on the ground on how to deal with people. And in fact you might be a better statesman if you have some good instincts and read Steven Covey, Dale Carnegie, Robert Greene and Robert Cialdini.
Besides if reading the classics were enough, we’d see Classics majors and Shakespeare and Biblical scholars should be getting the hot chicks. I laugh at that to scorn.
Here are a few more thoughts:
1. In general, it is unwise to assume the ancients were fools and that we are so much better than them, but it is also untrue that we can never learn anything new about human nature.
2. The best game ideas come from relatively minor writers like Ovid (though he’s a bit beta), Castiglione, Casanova. The best of them are probably Byron and Flaubert.
3. I have a theory that patriarchal social structures were set up, at least in part, so that men wouldn’t have to learn game.
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Besides if reading the classics were enough, we’d see Classics majors and Shakespeare and Biblical scholars should be getting the hot chicks. I laugh at that to scorn.
The Trads are useless. And they wonder why the left is running circles around them.
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Again, you’re utterly missing the point. You are too ploddingly, densely literal about locating “game” in the classics.
Milton was blind, what did he know about imagery! Beethoven was deaf, what did he know about music! Newton was a virgin, what did he know about bodies in motion!
Of course no pick-up tips emerged from ancient Athens because ancient Athenians didn’t “pick up” chicks the way we do. The frustrated, slowly crazifying überomega Nietzsche might see to the bottom of the Ewig-Weibliche (“eternal feminine”) more clearly than a well-sated satyr who has no need to catalogue his observations.
Likewise, the ability to express ageless ideas with clarity have little to do with one’s success with women. The ability to achieve is coincidental to the ability to describe achievement. It requires the systemizing mind of the white male, who, as you are not the first to notice above, is typically a loner with an obsession to collect and a mind to quantify knowledge in order to add it to the general store in such a way that can be interpreted universally. (See CH’s chart next post. See this masterpiece of social microquantification.)
The classics are a general education of great breadth and depth. They are not the specialist’s instruments. If you want to know how to change out a fuel pump, you don’t consult Aristotle’s Organon. You pick up a how-to manual or you apprentice under a master. The great works aren’t akin to screwdrivers and wrenches and drill bits. They are the factory where the tools are conceived of, designed, and machined.
The need for practical manuals in our age comes from an absence of this classical introduction to manliness, which informs a young man how to know what he doesn’t know while training him precisely where to find relief from ignorance. The canon is not for 40-year-old chumps seeking immediately practicable Hints from Heloise. It is for giving young men an early familiarity with the greats so that they forever have access to more than what contemporary mores, interpreted by unreliable translators, can deliver.
Dale Carnegie? Robert Greene? This is, or you are, a joke. They are compilers categorizing disparate superficialities. Their compilations aren’t misleading in themselves, but their unifying themes are. There is no practical shortcut to a liberal education, our penchant for an “Idiot’s Guide to Everything” notwithstanding. Forty-eight laws of power, now? Who says there aren’t 61? Why are you so easily impressed with this particular screenwriter rather than the works of men who have survived fifty-times longer than he has been alive?
Classical training helps a man independently separate the shortcutters (like you) and charlatans (like the writers of the guides you promote) from the wise. Classical training is learning him how to learn. A facility with applied wisdom not only helps a man more easily grasp and more efficiently apply a practicum, it also enables him to expand the genre through independent thinking and criticism. He does not have to accept the authority of every sophist who comes along: he has a background in the nature of authority, allowing him to better judge among various claims to it.
Finally, and perhaps most important among the monomaniacs who tend to assemble here, the classics help a man place game along a reasonable continuum of priority, rather than thinking game to be the Salvation From All Woes just because it saved them one of their more proximate afflictions.
No, you don’t tell middle-aged divorcees to go read Rousseau and Schopenhauer and get back to you. If a man is coming late to this level of intensive training, it will be as hard to adopt as learning a language or musical instrument from scratch is after adolescence. It can be done, but it is exponentially harder. You, however, do tell them to direct their sons to the source of all inherited wisdom so that future generations are not trapped in the feminist idioms we grew up with and hardly recognized were enslaving us.
Matt
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Dude, it was you who said that reading the classics was more effective than learning game. Stop moving the fucking goal posts. Now back to the retard cave with you.
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No, I didn’t, Professor Awesome. Not once.
I said that your reductio was asinine and that all the wisdom is there for those with the mind to locate it. “Game for Dummies” manuals are attractive because of a flaw in modern (feminized) pedagogy, not because of some imagined deficiency in the classics.
How many restatements till you get it? This isn’t a “goal posts” thing. It’s an endless time-out while the less-than-perceptive referee is reviewing the play.
Matt
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Retard cave? 😡
It’s one thing to disagree with Matt King…
It’s quite another to take the South Park snark approach and not, at the very least, show respect for his erudition.
Indeed, this type of petulance from men, of all beings, is a textbook example of masculine decline… and why feminism, PC, and peacockery now hold sway in the West.
I despair…
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his erudition
The man can’t think his way out of a paper bag.
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Let’s not go crazy now.
Fair is fair… not seeing eye-to-eye doesn’t mean the other fellow is blind.
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This is how most confrontations fizzle out in our All Hat No Cattle era. The self-esteem movement allows an uppity cipher like “The Man Who Was [Thursday]” no path to a dignified, diplomatic retreat. They are typically reduced to one-line cris-de-coeur — briefer, but no less an unsupportable assertion than their original contention.
The Mommies and beta dads of The Divorce Generation let precious junior get away with every sort of willfulness, so against challenge he never developed a recourse beyond petulant defiance to the end.
It was after your time, Greg. Imagine having to grow up alongside this population of piss-pants.
Matt
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Newton was a virgin, what did he know about bodies in motion!
One would be very ill advised to go to Newton if you want to do well with women, just as it would be foolish to go to our host for knowledge of physics. There is this thing called the specialization of knowledge you know, and its come up with a few things we didn’t know before.
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What glib thickheadedness. This is what happens when you try to quip away at an advanced position. You just start making shit up.
The context of that thought (right up there for you to reread) was:
Just as most natural players have little ability to pass on their wisdom (“Just be yourself”), the best describers of phenomena have nothing to do with the action observed. Hemingway would not necessarily be a good bullfighter.
Let me spell it out for you, since you seem to have trouble grasping substance the first time around. The classics are descriptive prose and art based on observation more than experience. They have lasted as long as they have because they are exemplary in their observational and descriptive power. This is a superior mode of learning because it can build on inherited knowledge from the past rather than relying on one man’s limited experiences.
Newton is instrumental to physics not merely because he was a specialist but because he was the very best possible describer. If he had turned his attention to another dynamic like, say, his equal Charles Darwin turned to the origin of the species, he would be a better observer than the alphaest alpha by several orders of magnitude. Or, to put it in your terms, the specialist observer will always observe and describe better than the best specialist achiever will ever observe or describe his own achievement.
To where do we turn when we want words to explain the glory, nobility, and brotherhood of war, Henry V or Henry V? Shakespeare never wore a crown or a suit of armor. How would he know!
Once or twice a millennium you might find the superlative powers of action and description coincident in a single man: Thucydides, Marcus Aurelius, Lincoln, Churchill, perhaps Sun Tzu, Xenophon. Your attempt to discredit the classics is an error in your understanding of coincidence. No one cares that Plato or Machiavelli were failed politicians: their accounts of politics are true and unparalleled, proved not through local achievement but ongoing, universal recognition.
Matt
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I would disagree that it’s necessarily the case that the best game ideas come from relatively minor writers. Both Shakespeare and Chaucer have some very prescient displays of game; it’s just not what we tend to associate them with since they produced much greater works.
In the Taming of the Shrew, for example, Katherina is a headstrong, “independent” woman surrounded by betas. But Petruchio manages to tame her through unbelievably strong frame control.
Then Chaucer’s Wife of Bath resembles in many ways the aging female journalist with an outsized hamster. She talks with pride about how she has mistreated all her husbands by cheating on them and trying to dominate them, but then declares herself ready and eager to remarry.
Human nature has not changed over the centuries, and I think people in the past were somewhat less deluded about it because they did not hold abstract ideals such as equality that are inconsistent with the reality of human nature.
That being said, I think it is true that patriarchal social structures are designed to civilize sexuality by severely regulating it, and so your average person in the past would not need to know “game” per se. As a result, while you definitely find an acknowledgement of the elements of game and the mechanisms of female attraction and mating strategy in great books from the past, they never arrive at a step-by-step system like the one that has been devised in more recent times.
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The classics are also taught today through the prism of modern “sensibilities”. In “Taming of the Shrew” every professor assumes that Shakespeare either satirized chauvinism or that he meant it and was wrong. Thackeray’s Becky Sharp is the victim of circumstance and not a hypergamous whore. Game is in literature all over, but there’s probably not a professor anywhere who’s willing to point it ot.
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I have a theory that patriarchal social structures were set up, at least in part, so that men wouldn’t have to learn game.
Maybe. Or maybe it just insulated men from having to deal with the worst of female nature, rendering game unnecessary. When the woman’s nature is equally or completely restricted by law, the man doesn’t have to worry about it coming out to bite you on the ass. The problem now is that men have no options, and women are completely unrestricted.
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I will repeat this again, you didn’t need game to get the girl back in the day, so the classics don’t have a lot of good advice that way.
Want proof? Here is a review of Roosh’s Bang Ukraine:
“The way Roosh seems to go about sex in this book would get you laughed out of most NYC bars. He asks “interview style” questions, he holds doors open, he pays for stuff – all of these things that your parents taught you to do, but then you painfully realized that they did not work in 2012 America. Roosh is a damn gentleman in this book, which in itself is surprising to see.”
[Heartiste: The Ukrainian and Polish girls I dated also required (or rather, appreciated) more chivalrous beta provider game than American girls. Note: They still needed the alpha, but not to the same lengths, or with the same prolonged intensity, that American girls need it. Btw, for American men who *like* to shower girls with beta provider game, without suffering any negative blowback, the best course of action is to date women who are a couple points below oneself on the SMV scale. Not saying this is an ideal strategy, but it will work if chivalry is your best skill.]
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That’s the way it used to be.
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Roosh is actually chivalrous; a gentlemen? That’s a revelation!
Maybe, despite his shenanigans, he honestly likes women, unlike some of the resentful men posting here.
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That just reeks of sarcasm. Typically female. Women will never cease to revert to the default “YOU HATE WOMEN!!!!” whenever their VERY REAL actions and behavior is criticized. And true to form, you imply that he “hates women”….. but in REALITY, a man would never be willing to throw his junk into something he “hates”. That’s a guarantee.
He doesn’t hate women. He would be the first to tell you there is no better place to deposit sperm. When you hate someone, are you still willing to fuck him?
(Think about it. It’s OK. I’ll wait.)
Roosh doesn’t “hate women”. He hates what women actually DO. There is a very big difference between “hating women” and hating what they do. So instead of mocking the man, pay attention to the message. It’s not a MAN’s fault that women are flaky bitches. But you will also never hear a woman say “I am sorry for being such a bitch. I’ll change.” Instead, when a man openly criticizes her for it, and puts her in her place, shuts her up, or challenges her….. instead of recognizing that there is something ACTUALLY WRONG WITH HER, she will posit that he “hates women”.
Classic female manipulation tactic and infantile deflection.
Regular as your periods.
Cute try, though.
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There actually isn’t a contradiction between hating women and wanting to bang them.
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Quite right, there is certainly no denying that hate fuck is HOTT. I’m quite certain Roosh has written about it (if I recall), and certainly engaged in it on may separate occasions. Films like “Mr and Mrs. Smith” are about exactly that. Show-stopping *chemistry* where male and female can’t stand each other yet you can’t keep thing from ripping each other’s clothes off. Sam and Diane from Cheers. Rhett Butler and Scarlett o’Hara. Shrek and Fiona. Audrey Hepburn and Rex Harrison in My Fair Lady.
Classic. Timeless. Sexy.
But where it starts to get interesting is when a woman will accuse a man of it as if hating her is some kind of PROBLEM. “YOU HATE WOMEN!!!” is the accusation, but in reality NO MAN “hates women” as much as women hate themselves – and each other.
You will never see a man stick his finger down a woman’s throat to get her to lose weight. But countless women do that to themselves. This simply thought doesn’t even cross a woman’s mind when she points a finger at man for “hating women”.
Men don’t even NEED to hate women.
Women already hate each other – and themselves.
One wonders why they even bother trying to shame us for it.
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Actually, I do think that some men do display some resentful attitude towards women. Not every man, but some do.
As far as how women behave, it’s part of the mating game. You need to learn their game and counteract it, not be resentful at everything they do and constantly trash them. I hate women feminist trashing men too. Either way, I think it reeks loser.
Regarding Roosh, who said he hates women? I said that after all he is chivalrous, so maybe some of the men here should take a lesson from him and stop their resentment.
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@NiteLily
“You need to learn their game and counteract it.”
No we don’t. That assumes YOU set the rules of “the game” and it’s up to men to play by rules set by women. When it isn’t. While women may be the gatekeepers of sex… MEN are the gatekeepers of commitment. And no man is therefore *required* to counteract your BS.
“Regarding Roosh, who said he hates women?”
YOU did. Are you really gonna try and attempt plausible deniability here and hide behind your phrasing?? (face palm) Since you need it spelled out for you… by saying “Roosh is actually chivalrous; a gentlemen? That’s a revelation!” it was YOU who indirectly implied that YOU believe he hates women, with all the sarcasm you could possibly muster in print, which I could smell across the internet.
“Maybe be actually likes women”??
Duh. He travels the globe to bang them. Of COURSE he likes women, silly. I had to point it out to you.
But you should really stop with the man shaming and assuming “the men here” resent women. A woman’s own shitty behavior is her own creation and not for a man to resent. Any man who “resents women” likely took her word at face value and thought it had some validity – and was then disappointed. Men who resent women give them too much unearned respect. But when we know everything that comes out of a woman’s mouth is utter nonsense, there is nothing to resent.
Have a pleasant evening.
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No Tom, I still stand by my point that some men here are extremely resentful of women and use bogus excuses as to why they treat women like crap, and why they feel justified in using them and dumping them like a piece of rag. I agree, some women are beyond stupid and they set themselves up to being used, and some women are extremely bitchy and mean-spirited and they deserve to be manipulated and tricked. However, not all women are like that. Some are just truly looking for a serious connection and yet most of the resenters here can’t see the difference. They lump all women in one boat and cast them off.
If you think all women are a waste of time and only good for a fuck, then maybe you should start looking for better quality women.
Regarding Roosh, I was trying to say how interesting it is that he acts like a gentlemen with his conquests, which is in direct contradiction of the asshole behavior some of the men here are advocating and that’s why maybe these guys should act more like gentlemen and display chivalrous behavior at times beside constantly acting like assholes. However, I know many of you guys keep talking against chivalry so that ain’t going to happen.
“YOU HATE WOMEN!!!” is the accusation, but in reality NO MAN “hates women” as much as women hate themselves – and each other.”
First, I am not speaking about the hate fuck, which in itself is exciting and both like engaing in it. Second, bullshit. Men hate women that reject them. Half of the comments by the men here is how they were stopped by the bitch shield, or how women have a long list, or how women only like tall men etc, etc, etc…….
It’s no different than women complaining about what men are most attracted to and women feeling resentful if they don’t measure up.
So I have no doubt that some of the men here (not all), truly dislike women and feel it’s their duty to make them suffer or get even with them for all eternity. Trust me, I know exactly what I am reading here. Some of the comments say it all.
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The first literal and unironic use of NAWALT on this site ever. Keep chugging along, LilyBaby.
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So I have no doubt that some of the men here (not all)…
Not to mention the NAMALT coming in Place for the Exacta!
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As usual, without fail, the master provocateur and his protector bodyguard running around like little boys making sure they hit and run all targets. LOL! So predictable.
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I want to you fuck you so bad, NiteLily. You must know that’s why I pull on your pigtails. But for the sake of the forum, Let’s Just Be Friends.
Okay?
I will think of you when I’m grudge fucking someone else tonight. But here? In this space? FRIENDS. Or at least frenemies.
Deal?
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No deal, remember? 🙂
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Stooooopid.
You “didn’t need game to get the girl” just as you hardly need it now. In an age of sluts you “get the girl” by more-or-less unzipping your fly.
Or are we talking about the highest quality women? Back then, just as now, there are barriers to the best girls. “Back in the day” those barriers were overt and institutionalized. Now they are covert, chaotic, and barbaric. Still a tall wall to climb.
Instead of being a prize guarded by families, they are celebrity untouchables guarded by high-glare demotic attention and all the proxy mate-guarding that brings on velvet ropes, limousines, and bouncers. “Just get me alone in a room with Barbara Palvin, and I’ll game my way up her skirt in no time!” Okay. How do you get alone in that room with her? By reading Neil Strauss’s The Game? I guess, but this is no different than a pauper trying to scheme his way onto the king’s court.
Or take the naïve, pretty country girl who comes to the big city. She is fucked-out the first night off the bus, not by the biggest baddest alpha, but by the first lucky dick who knows how to take advantage of a bewildered rube, moving her hips like yeah. Is this what you mean by “getting the girl”?
“Back in the day” men had to prove their quality to other men to truly get the girl, i.e., the betrothal. Seduction beneath the radar of officialdom happened all the time — in fact, I think there might be some classics written about that phenomenon. So now the cover has been ripped away, and other men’s judgment has little influence over whom a girl gives herself to. That means even less game is necessary, with the stud having to overcome only one thin layer of defense — a girl’s wits — to gain a far inferior prize: the non-virginities of unprized women.
Not only did you always need game to “get the girl.” You needed it to get the dad’s permission to get the girl. If she was doing it without his permission, then that is little different from the modern situation. And even then you needed game to conceal your activities, unlike today.
You can split hairs about arranged marriages and provincial dating pools, but the wisdom is the same. A man needs to cut a dominant figure to attract women (and the men who protect women). How that wisdom is applied, however, is as diverse as any applied wisdom. Ask Roosh. There are nuances between hitting on Latvians vs. Ukrainians, but once you get past superficial cultural cues, the approach remains the same. Same with any relative time period: travel guides to an era are necessary to get your bearings, but a girl is a girl is a girl. Even feminists.
Matt
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Speaking of feminists and manboobs, here’s another bile-inducing BOTM candidate for you: Christian Piatt.
The guy has panic attacks because he can’t measure up to his alpha dad, so he’s grateful for the current environment that allows him to say things like this:
“It’s my wife who brings in the bigger paycheck every month, and she’s the one with the impressive title and the corner office on the Park Blocks in downtown Portland. And you know what? I’m happy for her. What’s more, I don’t want that.
Here’s the vag-wilting quote:
“And thanks, Amy, for being more ambitious than I am in the professional sphere.”
Oof. I bet the poor bastard can’t even imagine what awful things are being done to his wife in the vicinity of a Xerox machine.
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Oof. I bet the poor bastard can’t even imagine what awful things are being done to his wife in the vicinity of a Xerox machine.
Or on it. Keep Windex handy.
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Piatt ought to read this (or maybe he’s done that and is now supplicating):
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/10/the-weaker-sex/309094/
It’s like a mirror of the good old days, except with not so hidden hatred and contempt for the kitchen bitch. You’ve come a long way, baby.
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…And if men actually liked bitches, as clueless feminists like to boast, we would see in the older literature stern warnings from dads and older male friends to the young’uns to avoid bitches.
No, the warning is always to avoid girls who are pretty but are golddiggers; instead try to find a girl who is pretty but not a golddigger. The constant is always the focus on looks.
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The Fountianhead? Roark “raped” Dominique and she still ended up with him.
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Start at 1:14… not too subtle suggestion that Dominique needs a drillin’
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Roark is alpha (or sigma).
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TMIMITW would be Roark’s wingman.
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“Just read the classics” is the traditionalist version of “Just be yourself.”
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“Marjorie Morningstar” by Herman Wouk is a pretty good look into the ugly reality of alpha vs beta, even back in the 1930s.
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A YKW wet dream from start to finish… but I actually enjoyed the movie.
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In the time of Jane Austen or the Brontes, all men aspired to Alphadom. Hence the strong social pressure to be a good Beta male, build a stable lifelong relation with your wife, etc.
It was good advice. It built the modern world. It gave men a reason to work and save and build. Trouble is, once masculinity becomes a thoughtcrime according to the feminist/liberal regime, betadom stops being something useful to men.
Now the ideal man is an unemployed black gangsta. Our entire government is working to turn all men into parasitic, hedonistic, and ultimately useless creatures.
And eventually our society will be swept away.
Unless someone is willing to fight back. Fight — really fight, with weapons — against the sniggering liberal media, against the brainwashing academics, and against liberal politicians who are actively destroying us.
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One girl actually said to me, “I can’t date you because I need a guy my parents would hate. You, they’d love.”
A buddy of mine had a female friend who dumped her loving beta hubby because, in her words, “I realized I needed an alcoholic, abusive schmuck – just like my dad.”
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One girl actually said to me, “I can’t date you because I need a guy my parents would hate. You, they’d love.”
What would have happened if you’d have hauled off and smacked her or whipped it out and then asked “Hm, think they’d like me after I abused their bitch of a daughter?”
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Women were not always so bad-boy obsessed, the distance between men and women in the West while leser than in other cultures, was still substantial enough to make most beta males masculine, and dominant enough, to be attractive to women. And face it, most women knew pretty early that they might be a fling but never a wife for a true Alpha, the dominant and masterful nobleman, business baron, or what have you.
Meanwhile, a woman who did not choose a faithful beta would be left out in the cold, her kids would suffer greatly, unless she was an honorable widow or such. Even Matthew Weiner, Hollywood beta, wrote that Mad Men retains its sexual bedroom politics and thrills because of the social gap and inequality between most women and men of the era.
Society demanded that women be raised up to equals, to supplement the workforce, keep wages lower, and increase productivity. However, that meant most men became well, sexless, and women became sex-starved as a result.
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Yes, being a good provider used to work.
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Society demanded that women be raised up to equals, to supplement the workforce, keep wages lower, and increase productivity.
Two out of three ain’t bad… usually.
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Plus, people still stuck to their gender roles. People interacted with each other in ways congruent with their instincts. Men could still treat women like women, and women still treated men like men. Masculinity wasn’t being beat out of children at a very young age.
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I had a very quick “Marry Fuck Kill” game with a girl I”d been gaming. I explained the rules to her. It was interesting. She said she would bang a kind of guy she knew, but there was a guy she knew who was marriage material and would be a good husband and in the context of this chat and game, she would marry him, but she didn’t want to marry him for real.
This stood out for me. She clearly understood that guys who would be good husbands weren’t necessarily guys she would want to bang.
THe one area I’ve written about lately and have been exploring is how to balance out the “jerk” thing with the soft-dominance concept.
Girls dig jerks, but they also want to know that the jerk they dig is a real person.
A few girls I’ve gamed and banged still keep coming back to bang me when I’m able to show a softer side as well as the jerk side.
Too much nice guy—turn off….
Too much jerk—eventual disillusionment.
Jerk with a soul? I think this is where guys need to be more leaders in whatever field they work or play in.
After spending 3 years learning game, i’ve found it easy to get into jerk mode and it works very well.
Balancing that….is the next step.
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You need enough nice guy to keep them around. Provided that jerk is the default setting.
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Dude, the jerk has even been seen in the Mahabharata where there is this one (bad boy) who is leading his army somewhere, ran into some girl, promised that he will stay with her, then she got pregnant and the dude just bailed. The girl had to leave the monastery and follow him to get child support. Shits funny yo.
So I would say jerks have been attractive since the ancient times.
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Young female professional, not bad looking, marries a convicted rapist after said rapist got out of jail. Rapist killed and dismembered the poor gal. Must have had that sociopath’s charm.
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/01/09/charges-husband-killed-dismembered-wife-in-st-paul/
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‘On Human Bndage’ (Bette Davis) was my first look through the mirror, darkly.
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Of Human Bandage is the working title of the next Mummy sequel.
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[…] Filed under: Alpha, Girls, The Id Monster, Ugly Truths Source: Chateau Heartiste […]
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[…] [Chicks Have Been Digging Jerks For A Long Time] […]
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What’s the difference between being a “jerk” and being rude? Where do you draw the line?
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I concur: where is the line drawn between the confident and cocky guy versus an outright abusive asshole?
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@ Ace
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/12/22/caring-vs-uncaring-assholery/
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[…] Nothing new or original here. Supposing of course history exists from before 1963. [källa] […]
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There is an excellent general rule that Nature adapts by changing an old thing into the improved “new’ thing by adding what it needs, not by trying to totally start over. Because there needs to be a working old thing in order to become a better working newish thing-in a newish environment. I mean, animals that go extinct rarely get asked afterwards to evolve into something more adaptive.
In other words, the things that appear later in evolution/adaptation are never really discontinuous with what which came before them.
The mammalian female hind brain id is what it is; one male kills another right in front of her and she feels flooded with strong hormones that instruct her best girly bits to feel luv for the new killing-man.
Guard your fences/ Remember your barbarian heritage.
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Pride and Prejudice puts the lie to the binary Alpha-Jerk/Beta-Creep distinction. Mr. Wickham is a panty-chasing jerk to be sure, and Mr. Collins is the embodiment of “the invisible charms of stable betaboys” (“advis[ed] … to consider” by the fictional Mrs. Bennet but not by the authoress Austen).
So what does that make Mr. Darcy, the aloof, brilliant lord of an impressive manor who personifies the “Pride” of the title, and who inspires the flimsy “Prejudice” of Elizabeth in her attempt to deny a fierce, book-length attraction for the top dog?
The alpha rises above both cad and beta. Cads, like Wickham, mimic the behavior of their betters to connive something for themselves out of the unsuspecting and unprotected woman. Back then it was to marry into money/station. Now it is for a same-night lay, a decidedly easier accomplishment.
It would be more accurate to separate the genuine alpha from the cad imitator, but that will never fly in a community unified under the principle that pleasure ought to be a man’s highest priority, above wealth, honor, righteousness, wisdom, and power. Darcy is a type recognizable to all but without a place in the sexual theory of PUA’s (if not retired PUA’s). Rather he is explained away as a gameless cryptobeta who needs to get his fuck on. That’s where PUA sociology tilts into the absurd.
Matt
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La donna è mobile…
Yup.
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I’ve always enjoyed the irony of that ditty being sung by a rake.
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Modern, highly socialized human females DO desire gentleness, help with the heavy lifting, provision for their babies, and so forth. But keep in mind how recently in evolutionary time these considerations regarding the need for male nurturance and provisioning have been meaningful at all, much less crucially important. Rare indeed is the female animal mother that chose a mate because he was the type of male animal to stick around and help out.
Nature/evolution does not work by removing a trait and then replacing it with a better version like we do constantly with the things we invent and improve. In Nature, the thing -ie, the species – has to live thru the process.
The Beast is still in there, in all of us. It was not killed so a nicer version of us could emerge. Instead, a thin layer of niceness and broad awareness somehow got a hold of the fore-brain. Thus the inevitable dual-nature of our kind. We can live with this, sort of.
But here is the M-effing ridiculous part. Imagine, or try to imagine, a group of older, more worldly wise menfolk taking the time to instruct the younger men that they should not lust after lard-infested shanks but should instead give a second look at slender young women with more feminine personalities. Sounds crazy, does it not?
Yet this is precisely the kind of thing older women must do for younger women.
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There are species where the female inspects the male for his provider capacity. For example, some migratory seabird mating habits feature the males going ahead of the females and building a nest in the rookery. The females arrive days later, and the males sit in their nests, shrieking for female attention. The females first inspect the nest before they mate. The males are very plain in their appearance. No bright feathers.
These birds live in a very unforgiving environment, and it takes two to raise the brood. Peacocks on the other hand . . .
And, I have to agree with Kate a bit. In middle and old age, men do get more satisfaction from having a family than scoring pussy. Sex just for the sake of sex gets boring. There is no doubt about that. But, a younger man should certainly learn the dark arts and use them, and avoid like the plague the numerous unsavory female personality types whose behaviors have been unleashed by our modernity and which find support in our legal codes.
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Rum,
Older men certainly advise younger men on how to marry. And, we tell them not to marry the hot slut type of girl. We tell them to marry the girl who will make a good wife. We never tell the young men she will cheat on them or what not. We say things like she won’t settle down, too independent, high maintenance, etc.
Of interest, older men advise younger men to avoid fat girls. We tell them not to marry the daughter if they wouldn’t marry the mother, which is the same thing. Men just don’t like fat women, for all the right reasons. It is a character flaw in women. It shows zero respect for the husband. It shows disregard for her own health. It shows she does not mind being a burden on others. Just avoid.
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“What’s interesting about this is that wiser women wouldn’t have to warn the sisterhood about jerks if women weren’t already naturally attracted to jerks.”
– Some would say opposites attract. Just as many, or more, others, ‘like attracts like’.
[Heartiste: It’s usually the most feminine women who are most attracted to the dominant jerks. Sexual polarity electrifies sexual pleasure.]
“Apparently, women have to be coaxed and cajoled to understand and appreciate the intangible benefits of dating betas who will treat them with respect and kindness.”
– In essense, they grow up.
[More precisely, they grow older and have to settle.]
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If you want to go to classic examples, Aphrodite (Goddess of Sex and Beauty), Ares (God of War and general Bad Boy) and Hephaestus (God of Crafting, Artisans, to a degree Technology).
Papa Zeus is worried of the destructive potential of Aphrodite’s beauty among the rest of the gods. So, for the betterment of society, he arranges things so that she is married to Hephaestus, technically proficient, builder of so many of the things enjoyed by the other gods, tech-head that even built metal automatons back in the Bronze Age.
Hephaestus the loyal and steadfast and crippled.
This was the best for civilization, tying Sex and Productivity.
Unfortunately, Aphrodite despised her new husband and conspired to have affairs with Ares, the competitive, slaughtering and dangerous. She loves it.
Finding out about the affair, and outraged that his loyal, clever, provider nature was not enough to keep her attracted, Hephaestus tricks the couple in an attempt to humiliate them both (rather than, say, confront Ares, Hephaestus feels that looking clever should be enough). The rest of the gods have a good laugh about it. She is returned to Hephaestus and Ares just has to pay a fine.
Later still, Aphrodite has offspring with Ares. Even Eros, consider by some to have been a child of Hephaestus and Aphrodite is thought by other authors to have actually been a child of Ares passed off as Hephaestus’.
Ancient myths often have a better understanding of the primal forces at work in society and the mind than most modern analysts.
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Sir,
As much as one relishes references to the “walnut-sized” proportions of a feminist’s brain, one might argue that there is a simpler reason as to why women direct their warnings against the cad, and not the provider male.
The ministrations of the provider male are not overtly detrimental to the woman, and she is left with the power to decide the course of the relationship.
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Anony
Yeah, the reason that older, experienced men must carefully teach the younger men to avoid emotional involvement with morbidly obese women with huge rolls of lard-flesh covering their fun-holes is that without such teachings the young, horny guys would be hell-bent on spending all their youthful energies in pursuit of a little luv and approval from the lard-skanks…
idiot.
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Here is a surreal situation of a beta going alpha on his bitchy cohost because she dared call him a chauvinist.Sadly and weirdly he used his alphaness to reiterate his white knight credentials.
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Yup that is what Roger Devlin referred to as “The Grandma effect” and he used to ridicule modesty commissar Wendy Shalit who despite her pleas for women to keep thier legs together ,recommended that women dont date calmly(ie use your pussy instead of brain to preselect men) and keep your standards high(ie not only avoid all betas like the plague but not even offer your pussy to a high status alpha with many options) ,yup sounds like a winning strategy.
I know F Roger Devlins ruminations on women is something most recite in the middle of their sleep, but the slim minority who dont -seek him out.Its a must.He is a essentially a more concise and PG rated version of heartiste.
http://www.thorntonwalker.org
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i get called an asshole on a consistant basis lolzzzzzzzzzzz
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i look around though and i see the jerks getting cheated on and disrespected like a motherfucker though
the bitch goes back to em but ahh yea they definetly get fucked up by em put in jail for dv and whateve else they got to do for the chick
how it works is this
dude goes behind the chick and fucks some other chicks lieing about it she finds out then figures it is her lifes work to make the rest of dudes life a living hell so yea if your gonna cheat be honest about the shit beforehand then she can’t have you by the balls or tell her to get you the bitch then she again can’t say much.
Seems like the dishonest alpha cad types lives end up a living hell to me
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i know we talked about harems and shit on here but i am seeing woman with harems of dudes like wtf
chick i’m hanging with now her mom got 3 dudes and fights with one goes to other dudes house lol
money runs out goes to other dudes house
shit off the wall
her husbands mom got like 4 dudes and a nasty chick
the dudes don’t seem to give a shit well the mom gets beat every now and then but she apparently been getting that her whole life must like it.
course i live in a shithole area but still i don’t get it but i guess woman can definetly get away with the whole harem thing too
So then yea i got the former daddies of kids she wants coming over to drop off kids and shit told her she had to give up kids for a while i don’t need former dudes in my life i ain’t one her moms dudes lol
the plumber comes over and talks about going to indo to get a wife and he couldn’t afford or do the paperwork involved they wanted him to jump through 8 million hoops to bring her over a dude making decent money he said he has 11 cats and his money goes mostly towards kids college son got 3 masters degrees lol jesus christ wtf is going on i tried to give him my bitch i felt bad for dude talking bout what woman would want him owns his own plumbing company now thats beta he he he
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i been seeing some crazy fucking shit man my mind is blown
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Aside from the mind getting in the way, I still believe everyone likes a good, hot sweaty roll in the hay with mind blowing orgasms as the result. That’s what I have experienced (for the most part) anyway.
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Patrice O’Neal, last interview.
Every point he makes is not only valid, but they even get verified by the black female sitting right next to him. His observation of the difference between white and black women AND WHY is so simple and beautiful it could be expressed as a mathematical equation.
Also, about halfway through he mentions the role of “The Uniform” and the key effect it has on game, relationships and the sexual market place.
The concept of “the uniform” really needs to be understood because it drives so much behavior. And its very destructive because as guys, we choose the hot woman (the uniform) and forget that she gotta go straight to the mail room and lick envelopes
We get fooled because we allow her to start on the 40th floor BECAUSE of the effect “her uniform” has on OTHER PEOPLE!
(((SHAKIN MY HEAD)))
So many guys get destroyed because they let a bitch join the company as VICE PRESIDENT!
And its all because of that “uniform” they did nothing to earn! If you tolerate these bitches, you deserve to have your company destroyed.
BTW, theres a lot of white people walkin around doing the same thing. Checkin and collectin based on that God Damn “uniform”; they got no skills, they missin, let me see ya box, you swingin like a girl…
Then they walk up to me and say, “hey coon, you got my money?”
This is the shit I gotta deal with every fucking day.
FUCK YOU.
I knew there was a connection between game and racism; I knew it!
This is why the discussions here, if they go on long enough, always degenerate into “race war”.
H blames us and we blame H.
Its stupid.
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I think there’s too much focusing on the terms alpha and beta, although I agree with the whole concept.
The most successful cocksman I’ve ever known, got laid every nite by a different decent chick, wasn’t an alpha professionally or personally.
He was only so-so in the looks department. His trick was to talk to women, or rather he LISTENED intently to women as they babbled their inane nonsense. He honed in on a woman, made her feel important, and that he understood her. He had excellent game.
The key is to be confident and have good game. Doesn’t matter how tall you are, what a bastard you are, or if you are an alpha.
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