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No One Is Entitled To Commitment

January 14, 2013 by CH

No One is Entitled to Commitment: Why We Should Mock the Great Girls of OkCupid

“I don’t really have a lot of sincere girl friends, nor boyfriends. Most men say I am great, but then don’t call back.”

Those are the words of a solemn, Skrillex-sporting young chick in her dating profile, a profile that recently became the first post of 2013 on Great Girls of OkCupid. GGOKC, Kerry Id-Baker wrote, serves up “a roster of self-proclaimed ‘great girls’ who are actually total sluts;” in quotes culled from each woman’s profile there are familiar laments about being “too intimidating,” getting stuck in the “fuckbuddyzone.” There are also expressions of sheer rage and man-hating threats of violence: “all I want you to do is Lorena Bobbitt yourself, so you know what it’s like to live without penis privilege.”

Great Girls of OkCupid is a “dispiriting catalogue of desperation and man-hating entitlement,” writes Larry Penii for the New Statesman. Pathetic and infuriating in turns, the profiles selected for inclusion elicit gasps and manly chortles – and they raise questions as well. Is it right to mock these aggrieved and clueless young women, particularly the ones who seem less enraged than sad and bewildered at their utter lack of committed romantic success?

“This is the ugly bullying of those who already feel like losers,” says Arnie Fagg, a columnist for the Guardian who writes frequently about femininity. “It’s immoral to place them in the 21st Century equivalent of the medieval stocks to be mocked, abused and humiliated.” In an email, Fagg suggested that GGOKC could be “potentially dangerous,” driving those who are at a “low ebb emotionally” over an edge, from where mainstream feminists like Amanda Marcotte and Hugo Shyster have already leapt.

Without entirely dismissing Fagg’s concern that some young women’s rage or despair could be worsened as a result of GGOKC, there’s a lot more to the site than mockery. What’s on offer isn’t just an opportunity to snort derisively at the lovelorn malcontent; it’s a chance to talk about the very real problem of female romantic entitlement. The great unifying theme of the curated profiles is indignation. These are young women who were told that if they were great, then, as Larry Penii puts it, they feel that men “must be obliged to commit to them.” The subtext of virtually all of their profiles, the mournful and the bilious alike, is that these young women feel cheated and used. Raised to believe in a perverse social/sexual contract that promised access to men’s resources and long-term commitment in exchange for rote expressions of sexuality, these girls have at least begun to learn that there is no Magic Romance Fairy. And while they’re still hopeful enough to put up a dating profile in the first place, the Great Girls sabotage their chances of ever getting a husband with their inability to conceal their own aggrieved self-righteousness.

Great Girls of OkCupid provides an excellent opportunity to reiterate a basic truth: there is no right to romantic commitment. (Except, of course, with one’s own self.) Generations of children have misunderstood Thomas Jefferson’s line that we have the inalienable right to the pursuit of happiness. I was one such kid; when I learned those words in fourth grade (in 1976, the bicentennial year), I marched home and told my mother that I was owed joy. Mama firmly set me straight on the distinction between the right to want and the right to be given, and I have taken this lesson in rehashing cliches to heart ever since. Great Girls need a similar sort of come-to-Jesus talk to disabuse them, once and for all, of their insistence that in a just and democratic society, charming, reliable penis ought to be distributed equally to every Tara, Haley, and Deb who demonstrates a minimal level of sexiness. (And then I need a come-to-Jesus talk to disabuse myself of the notion that switching the places of Dick and Harry in the well-worn Tom, Dick, and Harry phrase is the height of creative writing.)

Romance with other people may be a basic human need, but unlike other needs, it can’t be a basic human right. It’s one thing to believe that the state ought to provide food, shelter, and health care to those who can’t afford these necessities of survival. It’s another thing to say that the state should ensure that even the hideous and the clueless have occasional relationships provided for them by others. While in Britain, a few local governments have sent aging and cranky women on trips to LA to see romance workers, aka gigolos, citing psychological need, not even the most progressive Europeans have suggested that anyone is entitled to have their romantic longings reciprocated. GGOKC reminds us just how many young women are outraged at this reality that pretty faces, femininity, and commitment-worthiness are not and never can be equally distributed.

Arnie Fagg and others suggest that it’s “immoral” to make fun of young women whose greatest crime seems to be that they’re stuck at the sad intersection of Not Hot and Dimwit. The plea to replace mockery with understanding is a familiar one; it’s what lies behind the calls to stop using the word “slut,” because women find it shaming. But in the case of Great Girls of OkCupid, disdain isn’t rooted in meanness as much as it is in self-preservation. While only a small percentage of these girls may be prone to imminent psychosis, virtually all of them insist, in one way or another, that men owe them. Mockery, in this instance, isn’t so much about being cruel as it is about publicly rejecting the Great Girls’ sense of entitlement to both relationship commitment and sympathy.

Besides the near-universal sense that they’ve been unjustly defrauded, the great commonality among these Great Girls is their contempt for men’s sexual interest. They rage about being “pump and dumped,” and complain about the hours spent fucking men without being given so much as a candlelit dinner in return for their investment. Sexuality, they make clear over and over again, is a mere tactic, a tool that they were promised would work to give them access to men’s economic and emotional resources. Their anger, in other words, is that their own deception didn’t work as they had hoped. It’s a monumental overask (?) to expect men to be gentle with the egos of women who only feigned noncommittal sexuality in order to get commitment.

So how should we respond, when, as Penii writes, “sexist twatwaddery puts photos on the internet and asks to be loved long time?” The short answer is that a lonely twatwad is still a twatwad; the fact that these girls are in genuine pain makes them more rather than less likely to mistreat the men they encounter. A rage rooted in anguish is no less dangerous because it comes from the Great Big Sad Place. For that reason alone, we shouldn’t make women’s pain into men’s problem to solve.

Do these women need dating profile makeovers? Yes, obviously; making an effort to have both good grooming and good manners is seldom a waste. What the Great Girls of OkCupid need far more than feminist braggadocio, tramp stamp removals and binge drinking rehab, however, are two essential reminders. No one is owed committed love. And no one who uses sex as a strategy for romance has the right to complain if she ends up with neither.

This Chateau Heartiste article reprinted from its original publication outlet.

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  1. on January 14, 2013 at 1:24 pm theprivateman

    I see what you did there. And hopefully, there will be a real GGOKC at some point.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 6:22 pm Ryan

      I have the means and know-how. Do you think there would be enough contributions?

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 8:17 pm j

        Have you ever actually been on OKCupid? You would be drowning in material.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 8:38 pm Ryan

        As crazy as it sounds, no, I haven’t actually.

        Plus I would hope for more contributions from everyone, I imagine there would be plenty from areas outside my city.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 6:47 pm PetiteOlive

      wow took me a while to ‘get it’

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 8:01 pm Greg Eliot

        Irony, like math, is hard.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 8:10 pm yaser

      lol, i didn’t bother to read the caption of the linked article, and instead all my attention was focused on the fact that the author was named.

      I was like, “what, Heartists real name is Hugo? Why did he blow his cover? Did he slip up? Should i e-mail him? Does he have a double life? Who is this guy Hugo anyway?”

      Took me an hour or so see that this guy Hugo had written an article named suspiciously close to this article and… lol

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 9:59 am Manlyman

      Larry “Penii” and Arnie “Fagg”? Pretty obvious if ya ask me.

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  2. on January 14, 2013 at 1:30 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Amusing, but I wish someone would actually put together a blog that mocks such women. The closest we have is a thread on the Roosh forum called the Online-Girl Hamster Thread which mocks women’s OKCupid and Plenty of Fish profiles.

    One of the latest posts on there featured a woman with a 117-point checklist. No, that’s not a typo: there were one hundred and seventeen demands made by this woman who has kids, is an “occasional smoker,” and is none too attractive at 31.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 1:58 pm Lucão

      Yeah, someone with enough time on their hands should do it just for the lulz (and to enrage some feminists)

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  3. on January 14, 2013 at 1:31 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Yes, if no guy is entitled to sex then no woman is entitled to commitment. That should include no provider-y benefits from the state either.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 7:53 pm casaanova

      Bump.

      Just because you took the easy beta road in your respective gender and ended up with beta results doesn’t mean people owe you anything. You can’t live in la-la land past 30; I’m still surprised women aren’t taking heed to this

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  4. on January 14, 2013 at 1:33 pm Speaker

    Nice one. I would love for any of the jezebels to comment on it but I think they are still in the denial phase.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 10:03 am OldNerdGuy

      I wanted to post a comment on the Jezebel article pointing people to this one… but I’m not willing to create a Facebook/Twitter login in order to do that. There’s also an anonymous login service called Burner, I tried it but it didn’t work.

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  5. on January 14, 2013 at 1:38 pm immoralgables

    Reminded me of that satirical article you wrote where that guy left his wife because she got fat and was no longer attractive.

    Ah, good times.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 3:30 pm Anonymous

      do you have a link? I would love to read it

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 3:53 pm Lad

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/why-i-left-my-fat-wife/

        http://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/relationship-issues/beta-husband

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 8:20 pm Zombie Shane

        Wow, that Marie Claire piece was fricking cold.

        Like nihilistically dark.

        Are we sure that it was on the up-and-up, and that it wasn’t just somebody’s idea of a hip edgy noire parody?

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  6. on January 14, 2013 at 1:41 pm peckerwood

    one thing that I find delightful is reading a profile and the girl feeling the need to be all “I hate republicans”. That’s so cute. That’s another way to advertise that you are an unpleasant, mentally insane, bad person.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 2:55 pm whiskeysplace

      That just describes about 95% of all women ages 18-52. So that’s nothing new there. Republicans in theory might be for restricting unlimited female sexuality and wealth transfers from beta males (Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks). Only in theory. But its enough to create rage. Besides Reps are far too beta. That also creates female rage — women don’t care about anything but Alpha for the most part.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 6:14 pm cynthia

        And the Dems – champions of nobody ever having to do anything for themselves – aren’t beta?

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  7. on January 14, 2013 at 1:48 pm theprivateman

    I’ve got a page on my blog for awful female online dating profiles. It’s slow to load because of all the comments:

    http://theprivateman.wordpress.com/awful-profiles-by-women/

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 3:01 pm Days of Broken Arrows

      Classic thread. I commented on it but had forgotten I did.

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  8. on January 14, 2013 at 1:49 pm Angry Y Chromosome Wielder

    […] https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/01/14/no-one-is-entitled-to-commitment/ […]

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  9. on January 14, 2013 at 2:04 pm Anon

    I spent half an hour stuck with the links in the first paragraphs, trying to figure out what this shit is all about.

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  10. on January 14, 2013 at 2:05 pm ianironwood

    Took a swing at this myself:

    http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2013/01/humiliating-omegas-for-greater-good.html

    And anyone who wants to see the female equivalent should definitely head over here: http://theprivateman.wordpress.com/awful-profiles-by-women/

    PM’s Awful Profiles By Women is one of the must-see sites on the Manosphere. Had a couple of fun ones there myself.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 10:08 pm Ashen

      I’m thinking of trying something on one of these dating sites. No pics or any information other than, ” I shit big “, in the information section. I wonder what would turn up lol.

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  11. on January 14, 2013 at 2:09 pm anon

    brilliant. You are a complex character Heartiste. One week, BOTM, the next week, an article implicitly sympathizing with the OKC Betas who were so mercilessly mocked. It raises the broader question: when do Betas deserve mockery? IMO, if they’ve swallowed the red pill and disregarded the knowledge therein, mockery is appropriate. If they’re still simply naive, the answer lies in re-education. This website is where I point them after an “inexplicable” breakup, as it reformed my beta ways a few years ago. Anyway, keep up the good work.

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  12. on January 14, 2013 at 2:12 pm Rick Derris

    Brilliant! Jonathan Swift would be proud.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 4:09 pm deti

      How is Cohee Lundin anyway?

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 8:20 pm Rick Derris

        He’s doing OK. I haven’t seen him in a while because I’ve been too busy training and nailing Jersey skanks.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 4:29 pm hesaidhe

      +1

      perhaps the disclaimer at the bottom of the article should be moved to the front for those who missed it.

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  13. on January 14, 2013 at 2:19 pm Neecy

    If women today really wanted more men to commit, they would not use sex as a way to make that happen. The sexual market is controlled by women and how women reward or debase men in terms of sex. men today do not need to committ to get what it is they desire most from women – NSA sex. Women need to look in the mirror and do some self-reflection on this issue instead of blaming men, b/c men are going to go along with whatever and however women reward them sexually. If men can get sex without commitment, for the most part what do you think they will do? DUH!

    But I surmise this would not happen (women’s own self reflection) b/c I feel too many women today don’t like to self reflect on the roles they play in the decline of solid relationships between men and women and the important role women play in making this happen or not.

    I feel men in society would committ more if they did not have such easy access to sex by so many women. Why buy the cow when the milk is free ladies? UGH. Get a clue and stop the whining!

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 2:20 pm Neecy

      Basically what I forgot to add was that women should be mad at themselves for the state of affairs in the SMP regarding the lack of committment on the parts of men. Its just too easy for them thanks to WOMEN wanting to have their cock carasoul cake and eating that committment cake too. Can’t have both ladies!

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 3:51 pm M3

      Shhhhhhhhh, you don’t want to wake the feminist orcs and trolls by suggesting women control their sexual impulses?

      Feminists. Rail about fighting for women!…

      Throwing chaste women and potential SAHM’s under a bus for 40+ years.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 4:22 pm anonymous

        They used to be called house wives, but do to political correctness, we now have to call them stay at home moms

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 5:20 pm br0k0

        they used to just be called wives

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 7:08 am aleister

        Nice!

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 4:03 pm Rollo Tomassi

      Your doe-eyed, naive, obliviousness about the the origin of this article warms even my own heart.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 11:13 pm Neecy

        LOL It happens to the best of us at times.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 5:23 pm taterearl

      “Women need to look in the mirror and do some self-reflection on this issue instead of blaming men…”

      I couldn’t read the rest of what you said because tears were streaming from my eyes from laughing so hard.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:05 pm Neecy

        Works both ways. men also need to do some self reflection in areas as well. Just so happens I am focusing on women. I do believe there is an etitlement with women today who want to have their cake and eat it too. Which means not self reflecting on how we contribute to our own un happiness in the relationship arena. Its easy to say men are the problem, its not so easy to say how WOMEN have really created the monster.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 7:27 pm Serenety

      This really need to be questioned and confronted.

      “The sexual market is controlled by women”……. really?

      Men provide sex
      Women provide sex

      Women control access to sex.

      Men also control access to sex, Alpha men, real or imagined (famous).

      Don’t believe me, all women’s highfalutin talk about making him wait, blah blah blah is thrown out the window in moments in the presence of panty wetting, gina tingling alphas.

      Alphas WILL ALWAYS have easy access to sex with as many women as they want and as they can handle.

      A L W A Y S

      Women cannot alpha themselves up, your physical decline is irrevocable

      Men CAN!

      Think on this….

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:10 pm Neecy

        Not IMO it doesn’t need to be confronted. Women are the gatekeepers of sex. PERIOD. Men have and will always do more to gain sex from women than the other way around.

        This is not to say that YES today we have a great amount of masculine minded women who are trying to compete with men on all levels – INCLUDING sexual promiscuity and thus, more women today placing a greater emphasis on sex.

        I still do not believe its in a woman’s nature to be as sexually promiscuos as a male or to even place such high emphasis on sex as men do. But of course in a feminist society women will step outside of their feminine nature to do things that men do on all levels and justify it by saying we are all equal.

        If you are a woman like myself that believes men and women are INNATLEY and BIOLOGICALLY different, then you believe that women are the gatekeepers of sex while men seek to spread their seeds. if you are a woman OR MAN of a feminist mind, you believe men and women EQUALLY are the gatekeepers of sex.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 2:49 am Serenety

        “Women are the gatekeepers of sex. PERIOD.”

        Your little mantra may have the useful idiots out there believing this pretty lie.

        But you and I know different

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 11:56 pm obsessivecakedisorder

      It’s all ‘I’m a special snowflake… but I wasn’t part of that avalanche’ mentality.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 10:04 am Manlyman

        Nice.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:18 pm Neecy

        Who me? Maybe I am b/c I do not think like a man and have no desire to compete with them like the majority of America feminist women?

        I am comfortable in being a woman that doesn’t need to jump on the “i can do everything a man does, i can have as many partners a man does, I don’t believe in slut shaming” etc. Women who say this are clearly uncomfortable with their choices.

        Am I perfect? Nope. I make mistakes but not stupid ones that cost me my sanity like so many women do and then blame men for why they are os damaged.

        what makes you think all women have the masculine mentality that sleeping around is powerful?

        Any man or woman who claims that a woman who points out that women sleeping around is costly to WOMEN and WOMEN ONLy and that its “slut shaming” is drowned in feminist thought.

        I have YET to see any woman who practices casual sex of ANY AGE feel like she has made out with this lifestyle. Most women at some point feel the burn (literally and figuratively) and this cannot be denied no matter how much women keep trying to believe they can sleep around like men and still be emotionally strong in the end. There is a lot of faking the funk going on with so man women today its sickening.

        I refuse to act and pretend like its “all good”.

        Women IMO are not made to sleep around. I do not believe women are emotionally equipped to handle it in a healthy way.

        Its not about being a “perfect special snowflake” its about not selling yrself out as a woman.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 12:09 am obsessivecakedisorder

        No, I was agreeing with you that some of these women want to have the raw benefits of feminism, but when it comes to reaping what they’ve sown, they don’t want to be blamed for what’s happening.

        Pretty much what you said.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 12:14 am Neecy

        Oh ok!! 😀 Its true. Do you notice that these same women who scream how “powerful” it is for a woman to be able to sleep around, suddenly drop thats schpeil when it comes to being around or wanting a high quality man? LOL

        That is why I say women with this feminist mindset cannot have it both ways.

        There has to be some sacrifice before progress. But I just feel women don’t want to sacrifie in order to have better relationships. And that sacrifice is sometimes not bedding that guy that is giving you maaaajor tingles. LOL

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 7:32 am Fawks

      I don’t think, once the flood-gates opened: that it is plausible to change this.
      I mean alot of girls switch to goody two-shoes with alphas already. They already do with betas, the classic “I’ll fuck hot alphas I don’t want a relationship with (but if they offer because I am a great lay why not?) but I’ll be a virginal prude with all the betas” scheme.
      What happens? The flow of suitors dries up and not long after they realise that banged up ole vagina is just getting older and less valuable by the minute. So back to the cock-carousel with them.

      However that is jsut the first stage: age 15-30. By age 30 and onwards alot of women are truly motivated to stop being sluts since they don’t have long until their SMV nosedives. Now the second surprise is that all those betas have moved on: either with some nice beta girl or just stopped giving a shit about women. The only difference in stage 2 is that our heroine is more determined not to put out.

      What I’m trying to say is alot of women are already trying to fight against hypergamic slutdom… and failing miserably. You see the trick is: never get on the train to begin with.

      However: let’s stay positive and constructive. I recommend Susan Walsh’s “choose attraction” for any woman that is struggling with her relationships because ultimately it boils down to which guys she selects.
      My own addendum to Mrs. Walsh’s post is that the slection is about easy sex. As I mentioned one of the biggest mistakes women make is that besides only choosing mates by way of disqualifying shit-tests and vagina tingles is that they play a double game. The double game being that you supply easy sex for the guys you know won’t commit and putting on a padlocked chastity belt for the guys you know would. I’m amazed you don’t realise it’s counter-productive for *you* women and you’re the only ones that can switch that around.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 12:00 pm Lem@lem.com

        ” and you’re the only ones that can switch that around.”

        One hundred thousand years of evolution says they can’t.

        Society put the screws on, feminists and the beta boys took them off. Now the feminists are whinging ‘coz it didn’t work out how they’d planned and the beta boys are whinging ‘cos they still ain’t gettin’ sexed.

        [Heartiste: This is an excellent two sentence summation of the sweep of modern history. No joke.]

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 1:52 pm Fawks

        Well I can’t say your point makes too much sense: evolution is one big aspect to this problem but society which is only about 2-3000 years old is the main context for this issue.
        As you pointed out society has indeed controlled women and their socio-sexual culture up until basically yesterday speaking in millenial terms.
        This is really the first time they’re on their own without either evolution or society really dictating or shaping their socio-sexual behaviour and psychology. This is the first time in history they actually bear the full responsibility and agency over their personal growth and gender-specific choices.

        What we are seeing is exactly like you say: they don’t like the consequences of neither their personal choices or the hypgergamic cock-carousel culture that their gender as a whole has indulged in and don’t want to give up.
        Right now I am definitely with you in regards of how imminent and realistic a change for the better is: our generations are lost in a melee of gina-tingles and indignant vindictive attitudes from both sides.
        However the point I made was not an analysis of any current socio-sexual trend but a highly philosophical one that, wether they like it or not: women will ultimately have to be the ones that change. I only offered one rather obvious alternative rather than stating that this is what will happen.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 5:12 am Anonymous

        This is an excellent two sentence summation of the sweep of modern history.

        But I thought, CH, that you agreed it was alphas who drove the sexual revolution, using the feminists as their pawns? These same feminists then got old and turned sour about male sexuality in the 1980’s because the alphas who drove the revolution didn’t want them anymore.

        The betas were meant, all along, to be screwed over by the sexual revolution.

        The fact that many left wing betas followed along in the 60s hoping to get sloppy 22nds while many real men went to Vietnam, or that many betas came home from Vietnam and married women who had serviced alpha draft dodgers while they were gone, doesn’t mean betas had any say in the way alphas like Hugh Hefner changed society in their own interests.

        Society can be healed a lot if we can just get the meme across in the west that women can’t expect to hold onto men in their own age group past age 25.

        Anyway, O/T:

        Female Mossad agents admit they can only succeed in their tradecraft if they are dealing with enemy betas. They (say they) won’t go so far as having sex with someone in order to complete their mission. If the article isn’t BS, the simple way to avoid being fooled by Mossad is to insist on sleeping with them before you trust them:

        http://www.timesofisrael.com/what-the-mossads-female-agents-do-and-dont-do-for-the-sake-of-israel/

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:38 pm Neecy

        I mean alot of girls switch to goody two-shoes with alphas already. They already do with betas, the classic “I’ll fuck hot alphas I don’t want a relationship with (but if they offer because I am a great lay why not?) but I’ll be a virginal prude with all the betas” scheme.

        I understand that some women do play games with sex and/or withholding sex by thinking this will get them a commitment. I do not condone this. HOWEVER, I do feel women DO need to withhold sex until she has become clear that the man is interested in HER and not just getting into her pants.

        In regards to withholding sex and pretending to be a “goody two shoes”. Men have created this monster too b/c men (at least high quality Alpha men) will not settle down with a promiscuous woman. They will sleep with them and maybe have short flings with them, but they will not settle with a easily bedded woman. So then you have women who will play these games.

        Men also want to have their cake and eat it too in this arena. They want to be able to have slutty women at their beck and call, but then use that against the slutty women when it comes time to settle down – they don’t.

        Women who are looking for serious relationships or QUALITY MEN need to VET men first and their intentions before sleeping with them. That is not playing games. Its not trying to be a goody two shoes. That is called protecting her best interests and having boundaries. Women today for the most part have lost the idea of having boundaries and simply go for the gusto with sex, b/c they just want to or b/c they think if they do not have sex with a guy they want, he will move on. That’s the problem. Too many women are afraid of being passed on b/c she did not put out. So many women sleep with a man or men b/c they can’t fathom that a guy she may be attracted to and want will keep it moving if he doesn’t give it up.

        Women who play “good girl” games only get away with that with unknowing lower Beta men. THUS why so many former slutty women end up being swooped up by lower Beta men, married and given the whole house, white picket fence, dog and 2 kids.

        Most high Beta and Alpha men are clear on the types of things a woman posses that makes her commitment worth.

        The fat is a lot of men are just not savvy or simply don’t care. So they wife up and settle down with women who played the game. WHose fault is that?

        I have always said. There are tell tale signs of a promiscuous woman whose pretending to be otherwise.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:42 pm corvinus

        Women who play “good girl” games only get away with that with unknowing lower Beta men. THUS why so many former slutty women end up being swooped up by lower Beta men, married and given the whole house, white picket fence, dog and 2 kids.

        What really annoys me is when girls play “good girl/prude” with me, when I know full well they’ve had a few boyfriends and are not virgins. C’mon, I’m not a dope.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:55 pm Neecy

        Exactly. I don’t believe in playing good girl prude games if that is not who you are as a woman. That is why i say women are full of shit when they walk around saying how proud they are and how “POWERFUL” it is to be able to sleep around like men. Because when all is said and done, these same women flip that script, LIE and try to act otherwise when they meet a man they really like and want to settle with. IOW’s, that hoe, proud to be a slut schtick gets thrown out the window when they want to be taken seriously by a quality man. if you are so proud of being a hoe, be one and let it be known at ALL TIMES right? I mean isn;t that what being powerful is about to these women? yeah not so powerful when they recognize quality men don;t want hoes.

        lots of women don’t have casual sex b/c they simply don’t want all kinds of dudes running through them. its not that they are prudes, trying to be perfect or playing games. There are a lot of women like this and they should not be confused with women who do sleep around but suddenly STOP when they meet some guy they really like.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 12:01 am Neecy

        I also don’t think that a girl who has had a lot of boyfriends should be placed in the slut files. Mainly because most likely she made sure to be with a man that saw beyond the sex and liked her as a person enough to be in a relationship with her. By default, yes, that means she has slept with all of them, but that doesn’t make her a slut.

        To me a promiscuous woman is one who sleeps around randomley with men who just see her as a piece of meat. She has no standards, boundaries nor does she care enough about being valued as a person and not a piece of arse to a man who is only interested in that.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 1:38 pm NiteLily

        corvinus,

        I don’t know the age of your women, but after a certain age a woman isn’t going to be a virgin. Having one or two BFs by the time she’s 30 isn’t being a slut; it’s being human. Don’t expect the impossible, or worse, once you get the impossible you don’t like it and start looking for reasons as to why it’s not natural.

        There is a difference between the woman who sleeps around indiscriminately with all kinds of men from one-night stands to casual relationships and beyond, and the woman who entered into a serious relationship with a man she thought might be the ONE and it didn’t work out.

        Being less judgmental and more realistic is the way to happiness in all areas, including one’s sex life.

        Now, if you don’t want to be serious with a woman who isn’t a virgin, that’s another thing and within your rights, but at least don’t bash that kind of woman if she won’t sleep with you on a casual basis.

        I realize that some of you men think that because a woman is no longer a virgin then she has no right to refuse casual sex with you. That’s wrong thinking. Quality women don’t sleep around, even if they’re no longer virgins.

        It’s a woman’s choice who she wants to sleep with and who to reject, just like it’s a man’s choice who to give a commitment to and who not to commit to. If a man can get a woman to sleep with him then good for him, if not he need not bash the woman.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 10:40 am taterearl

      “Women need to look in the mirror and do some self-reflection on this issue instead of blaming men”

      I had to stop reading after that because of the tears in my eyes from laughing so hard.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:31 am obsessivecakedisorder

        No, as far as feminism is concerned, the only reflection we need is the one that helps us put on makeup.

        I am of the generation steeped in feminism but I wasn’t raised that way. I’ve made mistakes in my life, some pretty stupid and egregious errors, but it doesn’t take me long to learn a lesson. Most of my mistakes are one-off, and I always look for a take-away from whatever’s happened, good or bad.

        Anyone who deludes themselves into thinking they are perfect loses out on one of the greatest opportunities ever: personal growth. This is evinced MOST perfectly in the younger, entitled generation. Special snowflake, my ass; you melt just like all of us when conditions aren’t perfect.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:53 am Kate

        “…you melt just like all of us when conditions aren’t perfect.” This is very true. But, try to explain that to someone who’s never felt the heat.

        [Heartiste: I see deadened people.]

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 12:16 pm Kate

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:45 pm Neecy

        I agree to an extent. You see not all women are interested in making OBVIOUS stupid mistakes. Some people prefer to grow and learn in more healthy areas.

        A lot of women today think its CUTE to do dumb shit that only hurts themselves, and then claim “well at least I am learning from my mistakes and I’m not trying to be perfect”. I don’t buy it. Some women want to do all kinds of crazy shit PERIOD. Shit that puts them at risk for hurt, depression etc. And some women cant be bothered with all that nonsense so they do their best to avoid situations and MEN who are going to bring them despair.

        This is what kills me about women today. A woman is trying to be “perfect” b/c she doesn’t want to fuck every dude that looks at her? Please! Oh I guess someone will come along and say I am “slut shaming” b/c I don’t think women should make OBVIOUS dumb decisions on sleeping around and getting nowhere?

        I don’t call sleeping around carelessly with a bunch of shady ass men “mistakes”. That is CHOICE. That s only used when a woman KNOWINGLY put herself and her body and mental state in jeapordy by messing with a loser, and then claims it was a mistake.

        Whatevs!

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 12:13 am obsessivecakedisorder

        I’ll bet you’ve been accused of ‘acting white’ too.

        I don’t mean that as a put-down to you.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 12:17 am Neecy

        LOL. But of course. But ususally that means I am doing something “right” in their eyes. Its sad that some Black people view doing the right thing as “acting WHite”. Talk about self-deprecating? UGH.

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    • on January 16, 2013 at 10:20 am Chewie

      Much as I enjoyed the original article, I liked Neecy’s first comment and the ensuing conversation more. She gets it. As she and PrivateMan noted, men are the gatekeepers of commitment and women are gatekeepers of sex. It’s a simple concept that seems lost on most people out there. When I try to explain this to my colleagues, I get confused looks at best and snotty accusations at worst. Maybe it’s because they can’t handle the truth?

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  14. on January 14, 2013 at 2:22 pm Kate

    You got me. I assumed it was real. I though the other site had been taken down already?

    Having just spent another week on match (that’s about how long it takes to cull a few dates with good prospects as well as how long I can take it) I spent half as much time writing with people I might actually be interested in and the other half trying to give some of the other ones assistance. When I turned down a date with one of them, he actually wanted me to tell him why. So, I explained that women were unlikely to go out with someone they felt like they hardly knew and had only exchanged a few very cursory messages. I suggested he try to ask women more detailed questions to have an actual conversation and that asking for a phone number before a date might be a better course of action- that I rarely go out with anyone without talking to them on the phone first at least once. He was thrilled I took he time to explain that. I’m thinking I should start teaching local courses???

    I had a lunch first date yesterday who brought me a gift. I was a little taken aback by that, but he said flowers were cheesy. Anyway, that was a first.

    One thing I noticed in this round is that when you set up your profile you can actually get professional assistance writing it. I wonder how that works…and if they’re hiring! AND what kinds of suggestions they make to people. In other words, whether they actually might help or not.

    I think its a very natural thing for people to have these expectations. What they have to realize is happiness isn’t just handed out and they have to work for it.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 2:54 pm ASF

      A gift to a lunch date? That’s a new one. I bet he will refinish your floors if you give even a hint of attraction.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 4:22 pm Kate

        No, no. With great power comes great responsibility 😉

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 9:39 pm meh

        Thank you Kate for EXHIBIT A on why never to buy women gifts. The ego rush and entitlement and sense of upper hand comes through loud and clear.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 8:49 am Kate

        Don’t worry, I’m sure someone will be along to tell me I’m fat, ugly, and stupid, and it’ll all even out 🙂

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 8:57 am taterearl

        I’ll lift your spirits then…as long as you aren’t fat and ugly, you aren’t stupid. 🙂

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 9:01 am Kate

        Grr. Don’t be nice! Now someone else will have to insult me! lol We are trying to keep my ego at a reasonable level here 🙂

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 10:01 am Greg Eliot

        Credit where due… you’re not fat and ugly.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:50 am Anon

        “I’m sure someone will be along to tell me I’m fat, ugly, and stupid,”

        You’re fat, ugly and stupid.

        (You said you were sure. And I want you to maintain your credibility)

        One more time: You’re fat, ugly and stupid.

        hth.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:55 am Kate

        I feel nothing. Try harder. 🙂

        [Heartiste: There is no try. Only hard, or harder.]

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 12:19 pm taterearl

        OK time to bring out the big gun of insulting feelings.

        Kate…you are the best thing in my life. I can’t live without you. You are my everything.

        Now I bet you feel something :).

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 7:52 pm NiteLily

        That’s how some men indiscriminately shame and insult every woman, whether she deserves it or not. It’s how they elevate themselves; by putting down someone else. I wouldn’t listen to any of them, as all they are trying to do is destroy your self-confidence on purpose because they are sadistic and it makes them feel better about their sorry selves. Ironically and hypocritically, they get angry if we disagree with them about certain things, accusing us of shaming them. Can a woman ever disagree with a guy without it being considered shaming him by the mentally weak around here? Can some men resist bashing every woman they come across?
        Seriously, it’s getting old, if not idiotic.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 9:57 am taterearl

        Compared to my ego…yours is a mustard seed.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 10:42 am Matthew King (King A)

        The kingdom of ego is like a grain of mustard seed which a man took and sowed in his field.

        It is the smallest of all seeds, but when it has grown it is the greatest of shrubs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and make nests in its branches.

        In other words, keep nurturing the sprout and Kate’s bush will soon tower over all.

        Matt

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 10:53 am taterearl

        Kate’s ego to me is like a merchant looking for a valuable pearl. Once I found it I sold everything I could so that I could buy it and put that sucker back in the oyster it came from.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:10 am Kate

        @King: Oh good Lord. *shaking with silent laughter*

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:16 am Matthew King (King A)

        Why do you speak to them in parables?

        And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

        “For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away.

        “This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.”

        King of kings, Lord of lords, Alpha of alphas.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:21 am Matthew King (King A)

        @King: Oh good Lord.

        Amen, the Lord is good.

        I was trying to work in the parable of the seed thrown into a thorny thicket and compare it to a well-trimmed Brazilian garden, but my powers failed me.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:43 am Kate

        “And then the windows failed, and then I could not see to see.”

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 7:53 pm NiteLily

        “King of kings, Lord of lords, Alpha of alphas.”

        Oh, God! What an inflated ego! It explains everything, dear Matt. Thanks for the insight. 🙂

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 10:51 pm Matthew King (King A)

        “King of kings, Lord of lords, Alpha of alphas.”

        Oh, God! What an inflated ego! It explains everything, dear Matt. Thanks for the insight. 🙂

        *KA-BOOOOM* are you dumb. Not in the good way.

        I’m beginning to think you are purposely baiting me in search of that corrective, cleansing brutalization I promised you. That’s the best case scenario because, despite it all, I refuse to believe you can be so prodigiously obtuse.

        I recently chased another girl off this forum much more easily, without even trying. You must have thick skin like a rhino. Bitch go lather up with Oil of Olay. Bath salts: use them or snort them. SOMETHING.

        Matt

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 1:57 pm NiteLily

        @Matt,

        LOL! These were your words, not mine. You don’t have much power over anyone, except in your inflated mind. Get a grip, darlin’.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 2:06 pm Greg Eliot

        I refuse to believe you can be so prodigiously obtuse.

        I understand it’s hard to fathom, but as has been given ample evincing at the chateau, her bluntness of skull would drive Beldar Conehead to despair.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 2:17 pm Kate

        *sigh*

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 3:06 pm Matthew King (King A)

        In my mind’s eye she is a vacuous, cute 20-year-old blonde with a stern daddy against whom she feels the need to rebel. Good for something. This utterly contrived fantasy I’m force-feeding myself is how we can remain on speaking terms.

        Tits or GTF…. Oh, forget it.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 3:18 pm Mark Minter

      Kate,

      The gift thing on the first date is kind of matter of debate.

      Some sort of Miss Manners type of columnist had said something along the lines that “The tradition of a gift for the first date is a dying tradition observed among better families. It thanks the woman for her consideration and for her time.” She said that while there might be debate, that choosing to honor the tradition did display to the woman that you were one of those men that was a gentleman, was from good family and background, and those women which men should truly wish to have a relationship would see the gift in the true spirit which the man intended.

      And then other women acted exactly as you did, they were “creeped” out and saw it as a pitiful and desperate action on the part of the man. The women said they used first dates as a screening process and the gift created a sense of obligation and the woman resented it.

      In any Game methodology, the gift would be considered entirely fucking beta as a Display of Lower Value. You acknowledged the higher value of the woman in “thanking” her for her “time”, that she was doing you a favor, that she was the power, the chooser and the man, merely, the chosen, if he was fortunate.

      So fuck Miss Manners, err on the side of Game and being an asshole. As a comment on the Reddit seduction forum said “She will forgive you for being a man but she will never forgive you for being a pussy”.

      It is another example that men should learn about women, “No good deed goes unpunished”.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 4:35 pm Kate

        Hi Mark 🙂
        I was surprised, but I didn’t feel it was creepy. It was thoughtful- a journal and pen in a nice gift bag. I thanked him but did not make any other comment about it afterwards. In other words, although it may have been a bit much, I did not treat it as something carrying any obligation.

        I’m learning to take these things in stride, but to someone else it probably would have been a real turn off (isn’t that ridiculous?!) I agree with you that this is actually not a good idea in most cases. Over-giving is an easy way to build resentment.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 4:39 pm Kate

        I should also add that it definitely would have been creepy had he acted in a desparate manner, but he just acted like this is what he does and we moved right into normal conversation. For all I know, he has a closet full of gift bags!

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 6:49 pm josh

        What if it had been a black didldo??

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 7:51 pm Kate

        THAT would have been creepy.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 8:00 pm Greg Eliot

        Why do you ask… is yours missing?

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 5:48 pm Mark Minter

        That is exactly what Miss Manners suggested, nothing huge, something that shows you though about her. If she is writer, maybe a journal and pen. If she has dogs, maybe a chew toy for the dog. And yes, it is ridiculous that even the idea of generosity on the part of a man is now over analyzed.

        Sometimes it pisses me off that I have to game. That I can’t just walk up and say “You know, the very deep essence of me is that I am fundamentally a decent and honorable person and when your back is against the wall I wouldn’t let you down”

        But that’s so beta.

        I can only stay for a moment, but let me ask you something, Who lies moire, men or women? You know you have something between your teeth. Here let me see your palm. No, your right palm. You read the left palm for men. Oh my god, you have the most incredible sex line, there, that one just under your pinkie.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 2:21 pm Kate

        ““You know, the very deep essence of me is that I am fundamentally a decent and honorable person and when your back is against the wall I wouldn’t let you down””

        That said in the right manner and context, I’d think that would be a very effective line. Especialy if her back was against the wall 😉

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 10:25 pm Chewie

        Right on, Mark.

        The gift on the first date is a sign of lower value. What Miss Manners says may have applied years (decades) ago, but it doesn’t now. First date gifts shows that the man’s rewarding the woman for going out with him. No one owes anyone a gift on first meeting. I’d argue that gifts are only to be used for birthdays, winter holidays, and perhaps anniversaries.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 4:48 pm Hugh Mann

      When you turn them down and they ask why, shouldn’t you point them here?

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 4:55 pm Kate

        No. First of all, a lot of the men I’m talking about have very little education and would have trouble reading this. Second, you know what its like trying to explain this stuff to people. Most won’t accept it anyway. I just tried to put it in terms they’d get and point them in the right direction. Third, merging worlds is not a good idea. A Kate divided against herself, cannot stand.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 8:59 am Kate

        I have actually referred several friends with like-minded ideas, but they haven’t latched on.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:07 am Matthew King (King A)

        Very smart. This generation is toast. So teach it (surreptitiously) to your students instead. (And your future sons.)

        On the other hand, a consistent effort will still bring the man out of the pansy/dork/sufferin’ supplicant. You have just the right temperament to teach: not overbearing, draw rather than push, artful enough to hint without insult. Kate’s gonna do just fine.

        Why send them to a website when a girl can embody the lesson? You know what’s missing in this turn-of-the-century renaissance of manliness? Women. MGTOW FU. The hinted assurance that a man will be rewarded by Five Minutes of Femininity will inspire an omega for Five Years, a beta for Three, and an alpha to give her a test drive.

        There are so many undersexed would-be alphas in your target range 40-50, devoted to their work in their prime, too busy accomplishing things to seek a muse. I suppose they might dip their wick into Match.com, but if you could gain entrée into their circumscribed social circles, you would clean up quickly.

        Lovelorn shlubs don’t deserve a fuel-injected high-test red-pill lady. And they know it. I say, use them as the stepping stone to better men. If the niceguys can’t rise to the challenge you throw down, they are asking to be walked all over (and probably will like it). Don’t feel bad about it; that’s how men learn. Ask them to take you to a party with their bosses, girl gamer. If your flirting doesn’t get you an upgrade, it will inspire your date to up his own game, or scare him off, make him bitter, and prove himself an incorrigible beta.

        Do some righteous AlphaBetical (h/t) sorting.

        Matt

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 1:11 pm Kate

        Well, this was an interesting pep talk. We are not trying to help hypergamy; we are trying to subdue it. And I’m not having any more children!!!

        [Heartiste: I dunno about youse guys, but I’m channeling hypergamy… to me!]

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 1:29 pm Kate

        I will start considering marriage proposals effective immediately. Please form a nice, orderly line. Signed, your local Yoko 🙂

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 1:30 pm White Woman

        Am I supposed to feel guilty for my hypergamous impulses?

        [Heartiste: No. Just as men should not be made to feel guilty for preferring the company of slender, young women.]

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 1:46 pm Greg Eliot

        Oh no!

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 4:33 pm Matthew King (King A)

        We are not trying to help hypergamy; we are trying to subdue it.

        Leave the subduing to us. We don’t discipline hypergamy by tamping it down, it just squirts somewhere else. We discipline it by giving voice to it, and a socially productive outlet.

        And I’m not having any more children!!!

        That’s up to your husband. Until then, use your influence as a teacher to mold little minds into lowercase alphas.

        α to Α

        Kate’s school of tadpoles. α α α α α α α

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 4:55 pm Kate

        Its nice of you to assume I’ll have a husband, but wouldn’t a man find it tawdry to have a child with a woman who already has one? Although its a simple biological impulse to want children with a person one loves, I’m not sure having two children by two different men is something I can actually stomach. Which is why Bachelor #2 is an attractive prospect as he loves kids, but his three children are much older.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 6:25 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Everything is “tawdry” today no matter where you turn. Such is our fate in this tawdry age. But is procreating with more than one man tawdrier than the betazation of yet another generation, who will omegafy the next?

        Conscious women like you should be making and training the men of tomorrow. Whether you indeed take that responsibility or leave it up to other “women like you,” the point is, the practice shouldn’t be culturally discouraged. That won’t make sense to your solipsistic tendencies — what does the culture have to do with me? — but the opportunity for alpha males to sire and raise the next generation of sons with good women should be encouraged at every turn. And there are plenty of would-be alphas waiting to be inspired by true femininity.

        Maybe you weren’t that woman when you met your ex and had his baby. Now that you are, or at least strive to be, you should ask yourself what good you might yet do. Tawdriness be damned: my grandmother had children after her first husband died at 27, and she is the matron saint of my life. Your old self is dead.

        Do not marvel that I said to you, “You must be born anew.” You must die to the former ways. You must put away childish things.

        I don’t mean to say Have Good Strong Aryan Children for The Future of the Reich. (I leave the Volksaufklärung to Propagandaminister Herr Eliot.) I am saying that a woman expresses her greatness through her children just as men do it through their work, and if you do want to land an alpha worthy of your elevated (red pill) status, the idea should at least be somewhere on your radar. It would be the surest thing you’d have in common, a mighty attractor, and the basis for a strong bond for the rest of your life. You can convert one alpha and have a blast with him, or you could be at the root of an ever-growing, fruitful tree, delivering the world from the despair we inherited (and you lived the first half of your life).

        Or … you can go have coffee with Herb, who comes bearing stationery.

        Matt

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 6:38 pm Anon

        “I’m not sure having two children by two different men is something I can actually stomach. ”

        This is very decent thinking.
        I’m withdrawing my “fat, ugly and stupid” line above.

        …

        naah wait… I’m not withdrawing it, it was funny.
        But I owe you one.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 9:07 pm Kate

        My dear King: You do know you are totally playing the serpent in the garden, don’t you? You are suggesting I can have something I have spent four years learning I can’t (remarriage and children). I don’t have the dignity of being a widow, though as you might remember, I fully expected to be. Its not a matter of who I might be able to attract if I lived without any restrictions; its a matter of accepting my limitations and working within those boundaries. Though I find it incredibly touching, no more false hope please 🙂

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 10:33 pm Matthew King (King A)

        You are suggesting I can have something I have spent four years learning I can’t (remarriage and children).

        I don’t know all the details of your situation, and acceptance and serenity may indeed be apt. You have an honest enough judgment about yourself, you are better positioned to make that determination.

        I can only speak in general terms, and a divorced woman in her early 30s who, most crucially, is armed with your red-pill knowledge, has the options of a girl much younger. I have seen women in worse positions — older, less good-looking, less fit, less personable, saddled with baggage and the blue pill — do well for themselves because of their natural feminine instincts underneath the official feminist carapace.

        So Julia in Brideshead Revisited you will be? But if that’s the case, why not go the distance? Why are you chasing mere companionship with men when a purer consummation with God in chastity is possible? Human weakness? You are reading too much literature, you are too much in the tragedian mode, you are too much a child of this superficial age, and you are underestimating yourself. Or you are underestimating just how responsive 40- to 50-year-old men will be to the kind of woman they knew as children and have been denied their whole lives. Don’t take the exaggerations of PUA-think for touchstones.

        Anyway, if the world limits you, let the world do the limiting. It is unseemly to allow mere calculation preempt fact and thereby dictate what you will and will not try. Let people and circumstance actually say no; don’t say it for them. What do you have to lose? It’s like a guy never approaching a beautiful woman because “she’ll probably say no.” Is there a clock ticking? What exactly are you aiming to settle for? Serial fuckery?

        If I am playing the snake, then “Let the Hero born of woman crush the serpent with his heel.” Because that Hero also said, “I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.”

        Matt

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 8:39 am Kate

        Well, if the man didn’t find it tawdry, I guess I wouldn’t either. I mean, it is normal to want to have the child of anyone you have strong feelings for. I don’t know that you can phrase it as “take that responsibility” as if I’ve somehow been shirking my duty to procreate when there have been no solid offers of marriage.

        “And there are plenty of would-be alphas waiting to be inspired by true femininity.” Well, this is very true. However, often times, once the man is “inspired,” he finds a new muse or it causes him to take his life in a different direction. Examples: Me: Yes, dear, I think it would be wonderful if you started your Ph.D. He: Okay, I’m moving 1,000 miles away to do so. Me: Gah! Me: You’re such a great writer. You should develop that. He: Okay, I’m starting a game blog. Me: Gah! Etc.

        Well, I am proud of what I inspired my ex to do. With my help, his career took off, and he is still alive, afterall. I guess the trend is that I inspire men in their work but not in their family life.

        “Your old self is dead.” Very true. But part of putting away childish things is realizing the silliness of the wish to run away and start over again. I’ve had to start over in the exact same spot and I’ve made quite a bit of progress in that. Finding someone local is the logical conclusion. By the time I am free to easily move about the country, I’ll be forty-six. And what kind of prospects will I have then?

        “It would be the surest thing you’d have in common, a mighty attractor, and the basis for a strong bond for the rest of your life.” I know what you mean here, but one has to be careful not to look at children as a solution to a relationship’s problems and think that just because you have a child together that means you will stay together.

        “You can convert one alpha and have a blast with him..” I can? I haven’t had much luck with this. The last one told me he got the friend vibe from me, agreed to continue seeing me but asked for some time, and I haven’t heard from him in over a week while he continues to prowl dating sites and ignore innocuous texts from me.

        “or you could be at the root of an ever-growing, fruitful tree” Well, I can now see this should have been the aim of my life all along except no one told me that and I didn’t figure it out on my own soon enough.

        “Or … you can go have coffee with Herb, who comes bearing stationery.” Oh, come now. Don’t make fun of a nice person. Its not as though I’m dating people who can’t spell. I screen for education, travel, etc. I’ve dated retirees (code for made or inherited my millions and am seeking entertainment cause I haven’t much to do anymore) and doctors (of both varieties). They’re looking for other high flyers, not someone who wants to cook for them and play with the family pets.

        Katt

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 12:15 pm Kate

        I’m not that familiar with Brideshead. I’ve lost my tolerance for fiction 🙂

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 2:46 pm yaser

        “Good Strong Aryan Children for The Future of the Reich” sounds awesome.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 3:07 pm NiteLily

        There won’t be a future Reich. There is going to be a clash-of-civilization war among all 3 monotheistic religions and atheism.

        The Reich is long gone.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 8:36 am taterearl

      There is no need for me to bring gifts…my presence is more than any trinket a woman can get.

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  15. on January 14, 2013 at 3:03 pm Killer Instinct

    C’mon Hearty you’re a more fun than this. Why the sudden crusader act on behalf of the ultimate societal dregs –incurable beta males? They deserve the mockery, the depression, the high suicide rates, and the demands to be better slaves. It’s because of their sac-lessness that feminism has achieved the sort of legal, political and cultural gravitas it currently enjoys. They’re the reason an entire generation of boys are being raised with long term depressive psychosis, all the while pumped with progressively potent doses of Ritalin. Each and every last one of them deserves to be used as a lowly tool for the material resources and self-esteem boosts of their female overlords. And dare they protest with any selfish demands, they deserve to be shamed and yelled into silence by the very females they helped to generate. And remember, regardless of the efforts of pro-male blogs, beta males always have and always will comprise the Vast vast majority of male populations. They’re here to stay. Let ’em burn.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 4:40 pm Ulf Elfvin

      Killer Instinct,

      They deserve a chance to redeem themselves.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 5:06 pm Diomedes

        Why?

        If a man has entered adulthood and has not taken any time or initiative in attempting to address his deficiencies is there any hope?

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 9:14 pm Ulf Elfvin

        At least some, since man has free will.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 10:26 am anonymous does not forgive

        Free will is a myth.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 1:33 pm Greg Eliot

        Bullshit.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 1:26 pm Unending Improvement (@UnendImprov)

        No, man’s brain is a series of electro-chemical reactions. Free will is no more real than an imaginary friend in the sky.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 1:35 pm Greg Eliot

        Bullshit again.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 3:18 pm Matthew King (King A)

        This is where all positivism/materialism leads, to a denial of the human.

        Don’t blame the regurgitator for his upchuck. Still, playing janitor to the kiddie puke gets old. Not enough sawdust for the constant spew.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 1:12 pm Robert

        Plenty. The later he achieves satori the more his regrets, but better late than never.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 2:20 pm NiteLily

        There is always hope if you provide a good example.

        Why?

        Because everyone makes mistakes in their youth, which they usually correct as they get older. It’s part of life’s journey. An idiot, though, will always remain the same and never evolve or correct his mistakes. But we’re not speaking of idiots.

        Do you think people vote the same way in their 40s as they did in their 20s?

        Do you think they like the same kinds of entertainment? Attracted to the same type of women?

        Speak to most 40-years olds and they will tell you how simpletons they were in their 20s.

        Bottom line, everyone deserves the chance to redeem oneself. Otherwise, what’s the sense of developing and evolving?

        Let’s use Darwinism since you can relate to that, what do you think a species evolving is all about? It’s about correcting its mistakes and redeeming itself to continue replicating another day, as long as it can.

        The life vision you present is devoid of hope and consideration for change and redemption. It’s a dark vision. No wonder why your type identify themselves as atheists, pagans and Nazis. None of them believe in Western Judeo-Christian values of free will and redemption. Yet, all of life continuing is based on learning, so that one can redeem oneself and continue evolving.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 5:19 pm Madvillain

      I prefer Heartiste’s approach of mockery and shame with the ultimate goal of helping men. I wouldn’t say it’s a “sudden crusader act”. It’s what this blog has been doing from the beginning, quite well too.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 6:51 pm whiskeysplace

      Cutting out say, 90% or so of White guys (Black guys are not beta, overwhelmingly) out of love/affection/sex is a recipe for a race to the bottom in thuggery. Quickest way not to be a beta male: kill a bunch of people. Since living in Lord of the Flies 2: This Time Its Personal, is not fun, it is in everyone’s interest to keep violence down and men 18-49 invested in society. Unless you think living in a place like oh say, Liberia is tons of fun.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 8:10 pm John

        Yeah it sounds nice to be able to say let beta males burn, but even alpha males are dependent on the cooperation of beta males. The electricity, the running water, road maintenance, and food production is all done by beta males. If beta males actually do say fuck it and become unproductive parasites or violent in order to get laid then everyone loses. Classic hawk-dove game. If the majority use the hawk strategy everyone loses. Perhaps it is necessary for society to collapse and let everyone lose. Feminism is not going to go away unless beta males stop cooperating by playing by the rules and paying into the system.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 10:10 am Mark

        The type of women who mock beta males and friendzone them are usually the same women who get impregnated by the loser bad boys and then vote for pro-welfare state politicians who promise to extract the wealth of the beta males and turn it over them and their bastard spawn. I attribute this to the extremely low future time orientation resulting from the low IQ of these females. They just can’t see that what they are doing isn’t sustainable in the long run. If their excess wealth is confiscated, the beta males will stop working hard enough to generate any excess wealth that could be taken away from them. That’s what I’ve started doing. As one of those nice guy beta males, I now leave these liberal women alone. I don’t spend money taking them out on dates. I don’t do favors for them hoping they’ll like me. I don’t work hard and generate extra income to be taxed to support their welfare state. I have lots of leisure time which I use doing things I enjoy.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 11:17 am Anonymous

        Girl Writes What? breaks it down… trifling wimmen should either admin trash turns ’em on or actually screw the sensitive, considerate guys they claim to want, but should stop bashing nice guys either way.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 8:29 pm Diomedes

        “it is in everyone’s interest to keep violence down and men 18-49 invested in society.”

        You are in contradiction with big business, banks and the state. Getting men into prisons and using them as cheap labour has been going on for years and is an ever growing agenda.

        “Prisoners paid £3 a day to work at call centre that has fired other staff.”
        http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/aug/08/prisoners-call-centre-fired-staff

        Ever notice that even though violent crime has been dropping (UK) for the last twenty years yet the prison population has doubled in the same time frame? If there’s money to be made who cares what you send men to gaol for, appears to be the ideology.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 2:49 pm Hugh Mann

        “Ever notice that even though violent crime has been dropping (UK) for the last twenty years yet the prison population has doubled in the same time frame?”

        Google ’cause’ and ‘effect’. Or replace ‘yet’ by ‘because’.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 4:18 pm Diomedes

        Explain further. I cannot comprehend your point.

        “Aebi et al. (1999) found no relationship between the size of the prison population in a country and the level of recorded crime.”
        http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/hosb1011/hosb1011?view=Binary

        (Additionally, the above states that the USA belief of higher incarceration rate being a cause for a declining crime rate is a misnomer, discounted by your Canadian brothers.)

        If you look at the tables of the latest report you will see it matches: http://www.europeansourcebook.org/ob285_full.pdf

        I am happy to have my outlook disproven, but everything that I have seen previously shows that prison populations are increasing in spite of declining violent crime levels.

        [Heartiste: “In spite of”? If prison populations are increasing then violent crime levels will decrease. Fewer subhumans on the street, fewer violent crimes.]

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 8:32 pm Wrecked 'Em

        You’re asking, “Who is John Beta?”

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 7:56 am Anonymous

        Who is John beta?

        Fucking awesome.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 2:30 pm Greg Eliot

        Atlas Thugged

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 9:14 pm retrophoebia

      This wasn’t so much pro-beta as calling out the feminist harpies on their rather obvious double-standards and solipsistic tendencies. That is always welcome.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 10:44 pm casaanova

      I sense a lot of hostility there lol that’s not very alpha

      But the point he was trying to make is that there is a reason for the beta male epidemic – society itself contributes to their fruition, and you can see the repercussions of it in the mentality of most men, and ALL women. And if something in society doesn’t change, it’s eventually going to cave in

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 11:12 pm Mr. Pointyface

      What a big, strong, keybored manhandlin’ guy!! You tell off those inferiors, there, Champ.

      Nothing’s more inspiring than an anonymous mediocrity looking around for the cops before kicking them while they’re down.

      You’re busted, little girl.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 12:06 pm Madvillain

      As a twist, you can look at it as alpha to help out your fellow man knowing that theoretically they’re your competition for pussy. In reality, though, most men are so immersed in blue pill land that it’s not going to make enough of a difference to affect you personally, and if it does it won’t be for decades in this fallen culture. A few times I spilled the beans and discussed aspects of game with women (I don’t recommend it unless you’re real good, because I’ve found that the interaction with her becomes too self-conscious), and they STILL fall for game right as we’re talking about at it!

      Even some manopshere, game-aware men don’t really get it and, for example, go out there and act like assholes or jerks, but without true understanding of what that means and come off like charmless fools.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 7:55 pm NiteLily

        “Even some manopshere, game-aware men don’t really get it and, for example, go out there and act like assholes or jerks, but without true understanding of what that means and come off like charmless fools.”

        Now you’re singing my song. I argued this exact point in regard to Roosh’s use of gentlemanly and chivalrous behavior on his conquests, but predictably I got accused of shamming men because I am a woman saying it and not a man.

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  16. on January 14, 2013 at 3:30 pm yaser

    Guys, what do you think about the “priviliges” the feminist harp about?

    http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-03-08_146

    It actually does make me go defensive when i read about it, just as author of above article claimed it would.

    Any thoughts about this?

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 4:48 pm Greg Eliot

      Meh… whaddya expect?

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 8:19 pm thwack

        You’ll never work in this town again!

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 12:26 am Greg Eliot

        Touche’

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 11:27 pm aspic

        LOL

        Despite his constant bullshit, I find it hard to dislike thwack.

        Greg and him need to do a buddy cop movie.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 1:41 pm Greg Eliot

        You’re a dandy, aspic.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 3:28 pm Matthew King (King A)

        “Buddy cop movie” ROFL

        I think they should remake Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner. NiteLily plays Joanna the daughter. Whorefinder is Monsignor Ryan (and he is free to ad lib the part).

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 9:33 pm Greg Eliot

        More like Scream XXIV

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 5:24 pm Joseph Tkach

      It makes you feel defensive because you can sense that you are being attacked. Despite the long list of protestations that “your privilege does not make you a bad person”, the tone of the article is hostile and the implicit assumptions that it carries are designed to lower you and to raise others above you.

      What I find particularly grating is the implicit idea that everyone should be perfectly equal in every way, and that any inequality is “privilege” which is somehow deplorable. In reality, some people are great and some people are mediocre, and we don’t have to make special allowances to try to smooth that out.

      Don’t accept their frame.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 2:37 pm V

        one for the gbfm:
        http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html

        A short story about when ‘equality’ goes to far and universal mediocrity is valued above all else.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 10:45 am Chewie

        Excellent call. Vonnegut knew something.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 3:11 pm V

        also take note that the handicapper general is a woman, clearly a staunch equalist, and likely a feminist reject jealous of the hot babes so she has to take away their hb ‘privilege’. i imagine the handicapper general as a creature like the janet.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 6:28 pm Hugh G. Rection

      If I make a bullshit claim and you go on the defensive, those it lend credence to my claim? The accusation that one doesn’t understand his own privilege can easily be hurled back at the female, given that white women are the majority group in the USA by numbers yet enjoy privilege de jure under protections that don’t apply to white men.

      That being said, of course men and women and different races and sexual “orientations” are being treated differently. It makes perfect sense, biologically.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 7:18 pm yaser

        Agreed. I guess i needed a reminder on the obvious.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 7:31 pm Ulf Elfvin

      yaser,

      The left use concepts like “privilege” to indirectly attack concepts like “property rights”, the distinction between “the earned” and “the unearned”, and, of course, as usual, “reality”. They want you to think that nobody can earn anything without hurting someone else. The state may then steal from the producers to rectify this alleged injustice. But they don’t to come out and say this, for obvious reasons, so they try this instead.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 7:59 pm Greg Eliot

        In a nutshell… well-done.

        They also use it as apologist fare for explaining the ongoing, continuing, ever-present different levels of group achievement.

        Funny, when it comes to WASPS, success was due to privilege and cronyism… but for others (nudge, nudge, wink, wink), it was because of hardships to overcome, intelligence, talent, etc.

        Nope, no mention of in-group support and favoritism there, no sir.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 8:06 pm yaser

        Good analysis, thanks.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 7:07 am chris

        John steals Peter’s apple. Clearly John is the villain.

        But hang on, John stole Peter’s apple because Peter stole John’s horse.

        Now Peter is the villain and John the hero.

        But wait, Peter stole John’s horse because John killed Peter’s son.

        Now Peter is the hero and John is the villain.

        But there’s more, John killed Peter’s son because Peter killed John’s family and raped his wife and daughters.

        Now John is the hero and Peter is the villain.

        The fact is, the morality of a person, class or group, who is the hero and who is the villain, is entirely dependent on their portrayal in the story and what information is left in and left out.

        Now you know why leftists are so concerned with ‘narratives’.

        And that’s all leftist griping is (i.e. about privilege), a narrative, a story, and one that leaves out a whole lot of the other character’s side.

        There’s a reason leftists get English, Media and Communications degrees rather than STEM ones. This is it.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 7:58 am yaser

        Great comment.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 10:02 am Greg Eliot

        Yes, indeed.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 1:25 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Thirded. Reminds me of the yeoman’s work that the brilliant James Bowman has been doing to deconstruct the left’s obsession with “narrative” for a long time:

        http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+narrative+imperative.-a062649837

        And an excerpt from another piece:

        The purpose of the President’s speech, as of nearly every other encounter he has with the media, is to gain control of “the narrative” — that word of which the media culture is now so fond precisely because it is agnostic about any connection of the story being told with reality or the truth. “The narrative” peddled by one side or the other, or by the media on behalf of one side or the other, isn’t the truth. It’s what people can be got to believe, and President Obama would never have dared to say what he said to the Associated Press if he were not confident that his auditors were already more than half-way to the destination he was proposing for them as the crafters of his presidential narrative rather than the guardians of truth.

        That’s the great irony of the “false equivalence” theory: that, like President Obama, it is right in theory only because it is wrong in practice. That is, it is right to say that truth is more important than balance, but its mistake in identifying as truth one “narrative” rather than another when both have been created for political advantage, is precisely what illustrates the need for balance if we are ever to get near the truth.

        Matt

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 12:16 am obsessivecakedisorder

      I get offended by the entitlement mentality on every level. I had a difficult life and worked for everything I have, including my man and my marriage. For a woman to just assume she has a right to a good man because she has slot B for tab A bothers me on a base level. Work for it, bitch, just like I did and do.

      It’s not just feminism, but feminism is the root of many evils today, including victimhood mentalities, broken families, and trading a real father figure for a figurative government father. Don’t get me wrong; I don’t believe women should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen (I always wear non-skid shoes), or that women should be viewed as property or chattel, but I did, do and always will believe that men and women have roles in society. Feminism’s attempt to blur black and white into grey only makes a muddled mess. Yes, I know this has been repeatedly repeated, but my disgust and anger and disappointment has yet to lessen over it and the only way for me to not feel powerless is to pass the message on, over and over, hoping it will stick for some new person.

      I keep hoping we are coming to the end of a destructive cycle. Hoping, hoping…

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 8:01 am yaser

        A sane person ↑

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 7:56 pm NiteLily

        I second Yaser and I add, best comment of the day.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 5:03 pm quasi

      First, don’t listen to feminists. They can’t be bargained with. They can’t be reasoned with. They don’t feel pity, or remorse, or gina-tingles (for you). And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

      Second, men don’t have ‘privileges’, men have obligations.

      When some femcunt harps on about privilege, she’s projecting, mostly for the purpose of distracting you from noticing what a spoiled, pampered, coddled – privileged – bitch she’s been brought up to be.

      Fuck, look around you, man. You think these women got their entitled attitudes from years of ‘oppression’ at the hands of The Patriarchy? What breeds that sort of bitch-complex is a life of having everything handed to them, without ever having to work for it (that’s what beta orbiters are for) whilst at the same time never having to take responsibility or be held accountable for anything.

      That, my friend, is real fucking privilege. Feminists are rarely consistent in their arguments but they can be relied upon to be hypocrites.

      I suggest you do some reading in the wider manosphere. An amusing place to start could be this recent ‘debate‘ (massacre, moar liek) in which a laughably stereotypical fembot borg regurgitates her womyn’s studies talking points, followed by GirlWritesWhat, who responds by tearing the hapless lesbian-in-training a new asshole (figuratively speaking, alas). It’s kind of relevant to your question.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 5:58 pm yaser

        “First, don’t listen to feminists.”

        as much as i can understand the sentiment, i have a hard time adopting it. As a immigrant shi’a muslim with a conspiratorial geopolitical world-view, and a patriarchal anti-feminist, i have too often being at the receiving end of that sentiment, and thus, i hesitate to adopt it.

        But having that said, it’s so true regarding the true radical feminists. Goddamn slutty lesbian bitches.

        “When some femcunt harps on about privilege, she’s projecting”

        Really good point. Reminds me about the fact that men do everything, except raising children and nurturing the sick (not implying any shadow of dishonor in doing those jobs).

        “That, my friend, is real fucking privilege.”

        Exactly. You have to be totally cut of the real world to say some of the shit they spew forth… reminds me of the “my favorite feminist” comment, lol.

        “Feminists are rarely consistent in their arguments”

        As true as witnessed. I swear i would turn feminist if they started to make sense. As evident from my original post, i even given them the benefit of a doubt here and there… i actually like listening to contrary viewpoints when presented, specially if they make me uncomfortable.

        “GirlWritesWhat”

        GWW is awesome. Thanks for the link. Here are a couple for you:

        http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkv2-FSSHPcTCip5Bls4JNw

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 9:03 pm Passingby

        All the dead men in Arlington and jailed prisoners and forgotten nobodies would be shocked to learn that, in fact, they are privileged. I suspect they, more than anyone, would realize that men are generally not privileged. Some are. Most are not.

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  17. on January 14, 2013 at 3:30 pm Mike

    Really looking forward to a Chateau response to the NY beta times article about courtship disappearing. That article has reached the mainstream and I’ve seen mind-dead facebook friends post that article to facebook, spreading it further.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/fashion/the-end-of-courtship.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 3:47 pm Retrenched

      Courtship is dead because women killed it. Courtship died when women started dropping their panties for PUAs, jocks and frat boys who often don’t even bother to remember their lovers’ names… not that it matters to the women they bed.

      I’m sure Heartiste could put it a lot better than I did though.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 5:12 pm Days of Broken Arrows

        Yep. This is what they wanted. The fish doesn’t need the bicycle. Too late to want one now.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 9:51 am scottmac56

        this

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 8:02 pm NiteLily

        I agree with your comment, 100%, but what do you tell men who get upset a woman doesn’t drop her panties to them on the first date and within an hour of meeting? They sure get resentful and start badmouthing any of us girls who think moving too quickly to sex is the wrong move for a woman.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 5:47 pm Libertardian

      http://f2bbs.com/bbs/show_topic/785110/1

      As one commenter puts it, “women wanted to be treated like men, so, they are.”

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 6:03 pm taterearl

      Most girls aren’t worth more than a drink at a bar.

      Dinner is for females that are worth it.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 8:04 pm NiteLily

        Unfortunately, you’re right. If she has potential she warrants a second date, and a quick drink is all the time you need to find out if the girl has issues, which should be a cue that you two won’t make a good fit.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 6:29 pm William

      Read the article earlier

      Funny how by the end of the article they just come out and say it, the hookup culture sucks in their minds because men don’t court woman anymore.
      One of the woman interviewed in one moment talks about women advancing financially then the next talks about some men finding dating passe because they can’t afford it.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 5:11 pm Hugh G. Rection

        It’s like a merchant giving away fresh fruit for free, then complaining about people not wanting to buy the rotten fruit that’s left over. What a chump a man must be to pay for dates with a woman who gave it away freely and readily when she was far more attractive.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 6:43 pm Hugh G. Rection

      Great excursion to SWPL land. The women are all in bullshit occupations (“Social Media Manager”, “Online marketing manager”, “author”, “blogger”), an HBO show is cited as evidence and the rest is all hearsay. And not a single male opinion was asked by the author. Aside from a waiter, not a single working class person is even mentioned.

      What I’d like to read is some betas being interviewed who got promptly friendzoned after paying for a date or are out getting fleeced by women for free meals and drinks. In fact, put them in a room with the slut who got banged by the bouncer and film it.

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  18. on January 14, 2013 at 3:34 pm M3

    Reblogged this on M3 and commented:
    Dovetails nicely into the ending of my previous post, The Crime of Being Nice ( http://whoism3.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/the-crime-of-being-nice/ ).. Heartiste does what he does best, performing the same wonderful switch as he did in his post about Everyman Needs A Harem of Women ( https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/every-man-needs-a-harem-of-women/ ) where he flipped a stupid CNN article in a gender swap.
    Bravo!

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  19. on January 14, 2013 at 3:41 pm yaser

    The wikipedia article about bobbitt got me thinking.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt

    It sound’s like he was the typical asshole, but it didn’t end with her getting all wet, but rather…

    Thoughts?

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 8:57 pm Nicole

      He went full retard. You never go full retard.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 9:02 pm yaser

        In any case, it’s funny to see that she didn’t get any punishment for it.

        The guy on the other hand was forced to do pornos to bring in the cash, that i assume went to his alimony payments.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 1:45 am gunslingergregi

        hhhahhahahahaa

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  20. on January 14, 2013 at 3:43 pm Adam

    Oldie but a goodie. Beta gets stuck in the friendzone and gets work done to resemble Ricky Martin. This made me chuckle pre-redpill but now makes me want to throw up.

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  21. on January 14, 2013 at 3:48 pm M3

    Women who bitch and moan about being played and being tired of the games and crying about all men being assholes…

    are like men who continually fall for gold digging whores who clean them out over and over again.

    Eventually, sympathy runs out.

    Most men learn after the first divorce. Then they learn game to weed out the shit and make women qualify.

    These GoodGirls of OKC should learn game. Or embrace patriarchy. That’s they’re version of Marcottes ‘just be more attractive’.

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  22. on January 14, 2013 at 4:06 pm Rollo Tomassi

    I had considered this style of rewording of my own take down of Hugo’s menstrual musings. Now I’m glad I didn’t go that route.

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  23. on January 14, 2013 at 4:24 pm Andrea

    It goes both ways. Men don’t owe women commitment. Women don’t owe men sex.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 5:39 pm taterearl

      Yes, but the state isn’t siphoning 20-40% of your sexiness to irresponsible beta males.

      And yet I have to work 1-2 days a week just to take care of irresponsible women I would never commit to.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 10:52 am anonymous does not forgive

        Perhaps this needs to happen. Call it Sexfare. In my ideal world every 7 and above is required to do a sexual community service by giving an hour of her “time” (nudge nuge wink wink) a month to a needy basement-dwelling WOW player.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 7:13 pm Hugh G. Rection

      This is not the attitude most married or frivorced women take.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 8:11 pm Kate

        Is a frivorce a frivolous divorce or a typo?

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 5:54 am Hugh G. Rection

        Yes.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 8:04 pm Greg Eliot

      Point already covered, above, by The Man Who Was…

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 5:44 am Jumbobeef

      Ditto! But if a man pays for sex? like a salad dinner or prostitution?

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 8:04 am yaser

        Then it’s contractually agreed upon in case of prostitution.

        In case of a salad dinner, it’s more like a bribe – it might work, might not.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 8:06 pm NiteLily

      “It goes both ways. Men don’t owe women commitment. Women don’t owe men sex.”

      That’s the bottom line, isn’t it? Too bad both sexes don’t grasp this, especially women cuz they think that they should sleep with men before they even get a commitment and that’s what’s fucking up both sexes in the long run. All of our old-fashioned values about love, sex, marriage, children, and family are being challenged now. It’s like a paradigm shift of the human family unit, if not the species itself.

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  24. on January 14, 2013 at 4:39 pm AD

    “Cause I really like you as a friend
    But there are things I can’t pretend
    Know I would love you ’til the end
    But there is just one problem (problem, problem)

    I would never have sex with you
    Believe me, you’d know it if I wanted to
    I already would have shown my boobs to you
    But that will never happen”

    “This shouldn’t come as a surprise
    You should’ve seen it in my eyes
    I kinda like some other guy
    But there’s a bigger problem

    I would never have sex with you
    Believe me, you’d know it if I wanted to
    I already would have gone down on you (Kate: You would have liked it!)
    But that will never happen

    No amount of alcohol
    Could change my mind at all
    Our lips will never touch
    So kiss that thought goodbye

    I would never have sex with you
    Believe me you’d know it if I wanted to
    I already would have held hands with you
    But that will never happen”

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 4:52 pm Greg Eliot

      Annoying. Even the audience.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 5:14 pm Days of Broken Arrows

      I wish people would stop posting music by these bitches. Women have nothing to say to us here. It’s bad enough we have idiots like “Kate” droning on about their vagina-problems let’s not make this an artistic forum for bitches.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 2:00 pm Unending Improvement (@UnendImprov)

        Agreed.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 6:35 pm Matthew King (King A)

      These chicks have a better (and better produced) song here, which made the rounds when it first debuted:

      The blonde’s shouting makes my eardrums bleed though.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 12:36 pm Greg Eliot

        29 prime? That hamster missed the mark by about five years.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 10:53 am anonymous does not forgive

        More like 10.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 8:48 pm yaser

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  25. on January 14, 2013 at 4:57 pm naguala

    you should do a contest of the 1-10 scale again as you did in 2009. Post pics for us to rate… that was fun.

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  26. on January 14, 2013 at 5:27 pm taterearl

    When I get around to it I’m going to create something like the birth control pill for women but this time for men.

    It’ll be a pill that takes out the need to emotionally commit to any old tart out there and you only stop taking it when an actual female who is worth it comes into your world. I’ll make millions.

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  27. on January 14, 2013 at 5:28 pm Customer Service

    I don’t know what to think of this post, I understand it’s the flip side of the article, so what’s the takeaway? Women are trying to enforce double standards?

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  28. on January 14, 2013 at 5:30 pm Mark Minter

    I am really starting to love Mondays on the Manosphere. Most of the major bloggers seem to kind of take the weekend off and post the prime essay for the week, the one that had been swirling around in their head, and the weekend gave them time for construct it into a post.

    So today, Rational Male has the flip side of this topic, that beta provisioning does not guarantee commitment from a woman. Her hypergamy may demand it but attraction can trump provisioning and failure to continue to provision or to increase the level expected, regardless of past behavior, is the inevitable death of the attraction that a women might have for a man.

    https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2013/01/14/house-of-cards/

    It’s almost like the two authors had a meeting.

    Rollo notes that one prior post he had written “Hypergamy doesn’t care” had elicited such rage in the comments and has become a meme in the manosphere.

    So, I add to this post, that these women that are outraged at not obtaining the commitment they seek after letting “the man” touch the Precious Princess Pee Pee Place is directed at Alpha, and not at the general population of beta males.

    This coin has both a male and female side to it: The legions of beta men that have “prepared” themselves to be chosen and are not; and the hordes of women of marginal SMV that expect and demand to receive the commitment of higher SMV men that the women feel they are entitled and do not get it after throwing themselves at men of higher value and getting Pumped and Dumped.

    There are mobs, legions, cohorts, herds, whatever, of beta men that would gladly, eagerly, stupidly, readily give those Great Girls of OK Cupid the commitment they so desire, but she is unable by her hypergamy to consider them, even the slightest bit, as attractive. She is viscerally repelled by them and in her primary job as “egg protector”, she could never allow those men, those “creeps” anywhere near those precious eggs.

    Dalrock states that women are incapable of being attracted to men that would be attracted to them as a function of her hypergamy and I think that this is the thrust, the underlying deep, deep, deep, deep, driver of Feminism. The reality of prior economies dictated and demanded that women find a provisioning male, that they would die without one. And obviously the great majority of women must have felt that they were “underemployed”.

    It is the underlying concept in Cinderella, that if the fairy godmother could remove those environmental constraints that were unjustly imposed on the woman, and she could be empowered with the infrastructure necessary, then surely her “prince” would see her intrinsic value, and choose her over all of those other sluts, those step-sisters and wicked step mothers, and shower her with the commitment and castles that she so truly deserved.

    And digital technology is filling the role of fairy godmother.

    I am a fucking match site maven, but I mostly frequent those that are inclined to hypergamic proclivities of women, ColombianCupid, LatinAmericanCupid, and the king of hypergamistic sites, the undisputed champion, MillionaireMatch.

    There are two general themes across the profiles on these sites.

    They seek “My match”, “My fairy tale ending”, “Prince Charming” ( “Mi Principe Azul” blue prince, the latin Prince Charming) , “My equal”, “My soulmate” (“Alma gemela” or “Media Naranja” -other half of an orange) , “A connection” (“Atracion” attraction in the physical sense). And they are quite adamant that they only will accept one of the above “Solo busco mi media naranja” ( “I only search” or this case “seek” meaning a selective search). It doesn’t matter if the woman is 38 years old, has two kids, no job worth a crap, and lives in some craphole town in Kansas or in the middle guerrilla country in Huila, Colombia requiring 4 planes and two buses to get to her. Any headline that states “Please read my profile before responding” is a demand that you not waste her time by sending her an email if you don’t check off all the boxes in her list of demands. She can’t be bothered to check the box next to your email and then click the delete key because being the valuable and sought after princess that she is, then she must receive tons of mail every day. “So please, pre-select yourselves, you losers”.

    And it is quite convenient that her “soulmate” would, of course, be found on MillionaireMatch for an American woman or Cupid sites frequented by foreigners with American or European passports for the Colombians.

    And the second theme common in profiles is the subject of this post, that enraged demand that “those men” not “play her” theme, that they fucking better damn well commit. “No games” is a huge headline on MillionaireMatch as is “No juegos” on the Latin sites. “No Players”, “No aventurosos” (adventurers, meaning men that travel to Colombia for the trip and to nail a Colombiana and never intend to actually marry her. Damnit, she did her part. She gave him the pooty now he must “man up” and marry her, get her a visa, bring her to America, set her up, and then get divorce raped when she falsely accuses him of domestic violence so she can get that conditional residency changed to permanent prior to the necessary two year waiting period.). Both MM and Cupid sites have big use of “No Liars” with “sinceridad” (not sincerity, no, they mean “truthfulness”) “me gusta la sinceridad”, “sinceridad ante todo”, “la base de una buena relacion es sinceridad”.

    So needless to say, those actual Princes have a lot of options, and commitment is pretty far down the list of the options. “So little time, so many hypergamistic women.” After a few years on these sites, there seems quite a lot of the same women that are still there, still waiting. For some of them, it is quite entertaining and interesting to me to watch as that SMV falls as they age. There is one particular Colombian woman that was quite the thing a few years ago, 5’9″, thin, athletic, breast implants and now she has run into the wall. Her profile says 32, I think 34 is more true, and she posted a recent photo as her main photo that shows up in searches, and she has sunk into the mass. Younger versions of her now have the main stage and she is now relegated to the second stage.

    I can’t say what lesson will be learned by women from all of this, if any. I can see writings where older women counsel younger women to use the window of opportunity when they have it. And the younger women say “Fuck off you old bitty. You’re just jealous of my beauty and power. Girlz gonna do what girlz gonna do.” And at the same time, I can see writings where woman say even though they didn’t find a man, so what, who needs one. A woman is better off alone that with some man she doesn’t have attraction for.

    The lesson for men is that you have two sides of you to develop, attraction and provisioning. Do not fore sake development of attraction, inner game, looks, body, style at the expense of concentrating on provisioning.

    When I was 51 years old, my doctor prescribed me Aderrall. I weighed 205 pounds. I am 6’3″. I had been lifting weights. And I dropped down to 185 pounds. And I got a trainer and I started drinking protein in the morning and at lunch, one gram per 10 pounds of my body weight. In 3 months, I went from a 50 year old guy to buff, 32 inch waist, 42 inch chest, some resemblance of “guns”, defined abs and pecs, at least in a shirt.

    No single one thing did as much for my sex life, no promotion at work, no new car, no clothes, nothing worked at well as that.

    In pre Red Pill days, I had gone down to Colombia to see a 25 year old girl and we traveled from Medellin to Bogota together. Bogota is cold, jackets, sweaters. I had literally just met this girl in person after months of talking online. She froze up on me. For two days, she walked around Bogota with me and was a fucking ice queen. We had a rental two bedroom apartment, she had one bedroom and I had the other. At 10pm, she would say “Goodnight” and lock her door.

    On the morning of the third day, I was furious and ready to dump her. I was in my room dressing. I had onj nothing but a tight pair of underwear and she accidentally walked in on me and saw my body, no shirt, just those stretch underwear. And having that body, and knowing I had it, I just gave her a look like “Yeah?”, no embarrassment at being walked in on in that state of dress.

    My 51 year old ass fucked that 25 year old that night.

    The lesson here is alpha trumps beta every fucking time.

    The government and society are gonna fulfill that woman’s need for beta qualities. You better get your ass some alpha ones. Now. All the money in the motherfucking world won’t make you happy if you don’t get no pooty.

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    • on January 16, 2013 at 11:11 am yaser

      good read.

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  29. on January 14, 2013 at 5:38 pm Wigz

    This was Epic Satire Gold!

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  30. on January 14, 2013 at 5:47 pm Billy B S

    I all wtf. Chateau content but beta style. Goes to show how style almost–but not quite–trumps content. Well done sir.

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  31. on January 14, 2013 at 6:02 pm Ryan

    I develop web sites. I would consider making this, which makes me wonder if there is enough support from the manosphere to generate sufficient content.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 7:55 pm Days of Broken Arrows

      If you build it, they will come. I submitted one here last year Heartiste did a post on, but it looks like it’s since been removed.

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    • on January 14, 2013 at 8:36 pm Wrecked 'Em

      Do it anonymously if you do it. It will languish at first, then rocket through the roof… at which time you will begin getting death threats for exposing the truth.

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      • on January 14, 2013 at 10:45 pm Ryan

        I definitely would get private domain registration. I would just wonder if enough guys would contribute profiles.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 6:11 am Days of Broken Arrows

        Have you seen the thread over at Roosh’s forum I mentioned earlier? It’s called the online hamster thread. Google it. There are more than enough profiles for men to contribute. I might have one or two up my sleeve now.

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  32. on January 14, 2013 at 7:23 pm anon

    Hugo is one of the few people I know by name who I would readily commit physical violence against if I ran into him in a private place and was assured not to get caught. God beating the shit out of that shitfucker would be so satisfying.

    That being said, I kinda liked looking at NGOOKC, fedoras of okc, and okcgoldmine. Even though I’m still in my amateur cocksmanship phase, I’m so grateful not to be any of these trainwrecks.

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  33. on January 14, 2013 at 7:32 pm Uncle Elmer

    What about OKHonkey?

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 1:31 pm Matthew King (King A)

      Thwack? You don’t have to put on username-drag to troll.

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  34. on January 14, 2013 at 7:56 pm V

    Excellent post.

    Feigned noncommittal sexuality in order to get commitment / using sex as a strategy for romance is like the female version of nice guy strategies of approval seeking, buying gifts / dinners / drinks with the expectation that it will lead to sex.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 8:09 am yaser

      Excellent comment.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 1:56 pm Nicole

      But it works for genuinely nice girls.

      Looking back on my love life prior to being in a place where ethnicity was a severe problem, I was spoiled despite having had premarital and quite dirty sex with my boyfriends. I still had boyfriends and fiances. Granted, I’m weird, but not that weird. The strategy I (albeit unconsciously) adopted does the job for a great many middle and lower middle class women.

      Guys meet you, and you may not be the ultimate beauty queen, but you’re pretty and take care of yourself. They get to know you and see you have good values, but aren’t a game playing prude or a whore. You shag. Instincts kick in, and dude does not want to imagine you doing that with anyone else ever. He stakes a claim. You accept. He marries you eventually, and then you make babies. Usually, it lasts.

      If you get unlucky like I did because your man has issues, you easily find a new one and go through the same process. Quite often, once those issues are worked out, there is a round 2 if one isn’t taken by then.

      The difference is that the guys in these scenarios are not players or slackers. They’re salt of the earth good, stable guys doing something productive with their lives. They’re looking for a compatible woman, and when they have the sex doesn’t make a difference.

      Most of the problem is that the girls are unsuitable themselves, or they’re selecting unsuitable guys. By suitable, I mean showing clear signs that they are going to be a good wife and mother. Too many supposedly great girls today have no home skills and do not exhibit any signs they’ll be anything but a drain.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 2:04 pm Kate

        This was helpful, Nicole.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 2:39 pm Nicole

        Thank you, Kate. I just think most western people are very clear on the fact that times have changed. People’s needs haven’t changed though, and if people are doing what Nature put them here to do, the natural thing is going to happen.

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  35. on January 14, 2013 at 8:24 pm AlphaBeta

    The biggest irony of the beta-shaming Nice Guys of OkCupid was that they were betas looking for relationships. Feminists had to reframe their lovelonging as “nice guys only looking for sex” just to make sure that they were properly demonized.

    Poor betas.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 2:41 pm Nicole

      When someone is determined to believe a lie (like all men are dogs), it is very hard to change their beliefs. There’s a saying, “You can’t wake up a person who’s pretending to be asleep.”

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 2:57 pm Entitled Dos user

      Excellent point I at least hadn’t thought of.

      It’s typical of the psychopathic modern culture to add insult to injury (which it caused in the first place) by demonising or otherwise blaming the victim for it.

      So we live in a culture where a woman can cut off her boyfriend’s penis and not be punished because she had been “abused” by him. A sane observer would wonder why, then, didn’t she leave him as soon as he first “abused” her? And since she chose to stay, wouldn’t her supposed resulting insanity be at least partially her fault, to the point that she might even have to take some sort of legal responsibility for freaking torturing a guy?

      But no, the victim was “evil”, you see. So it’s OK to cut his dick off and torture him and pity he didn’t die and what have you, though let’s not say that out loud, at least in front of the cameras, at least yet.

      I think I know who the real monsters are.

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  36. on January 14, 2013 at 8:39 pm Wrecked 'Em

    I’ve told women time and again, “When the male Dung Beetle brings the female Dung Beetle a big old ball of poo, he’s not just ‘being nice’ he wants something.” But a woman’s ability to delude herself knows no bounds.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 12:09 pm Passingby

      They oe nesadprety Sei ne odlso.
      The feigned ignorance is the way they convince devoted beta orbiters to keep bringing the dung, without getting the nookie. They act like a pure good girl naif for the orbiter, while reserving the womb’s operation for the men they lust for.

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  37. on January 14, 2013 at 8:49 pm Lucky White Male

    ahhh HUGO SCWHYZER

    We need to remember the Manosphere needs Tangible Named Enemies.

    Tangible Named Enemies will focus our efforts, define us more crisply against our Polar Opposites

    The Manosphere should:

    1. Be regularly naming these enemies in print — reminding everyone exactly what we stand for by who we despise, emboldening our words and spirit through righteous anger

    2. Rotating these enemies, on a weekly basis, like a rotisserie , skewering them over a hot fire of truth, logic, and cutting mockery

    3. Steadily increase the heat and humiliation leading to a spectacular public dissection and disembowelment so said enemy runs, fleeing from public life never to be seen again 🙂

    I am re-reading Machiavelli in 2013.

    Machiavelli favored occasional “spectacular public executions” in the public square. Such displays of Power reassured the plebs who was in charge.

    As I start in on a nice scotch I hit this line:

    “Machiavelli writes for the few men who understand him. He believes that Virtue and Prudence are confined to a very few….

    GREAT MEN ARE HIS THEME AND GREATNESS IS HIS AIM…..”

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    • on January 16, 2013 at 2:09 pm Unending Improvement (@UnendImprov)

      We need to Dox those who would Dox us in a second.

      They refuse to take the higher ground? Good, neither should we.

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  38. on January 14, 2013 at 8:58 pm Kärlek vs Sex « Yasers hörna

    […] [No One Is Entitled To Commitment] <- en satirisk spegelvändning på kvinnor som klagar på att män känner att de är ”berättigade” sex. Satiren påpekar att kvinnor inte heller har någon rätt att tro att de är berättigade ett åtagande efter att ha erbjudit sex. […]

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  39. on January 14, 2013 at 9:10 pm Libertardian

    http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/maple-leaf-foods-ceo-must-pay-175k-month-213113505.html

    ‘The CEO of Maple Leaf Foods has been ordered to pay his ex-wife $175,000 a month in interim spousal support after an Ontario judge struck down parts of a marriage contract meant to keep the family’s wealth within the bloodline.

    …

    In her ruling, Ontario Superior Court Justice Susan Greer said that while the agreement may have seemed fair to Michael McCain when it was signed in 1997, over time it had become “unconscionable.”

    What’s more, she said the agreement was achieved under “subtle and psychological” duress because refusing it would have meant significant financial penalties for the couple.

    “How could the wife possibly have refused to sign under those circumstances?” Greer wrote in her decision, which dealt only with the issue of spousal support and not the division of assets.

    She said it would have been impossible for Christine McCain to foresee what her situation would be in the future without spousal support.

    …

    After the marriage ended, Christine McCain stayed in the family’s home, which was transferred to her. She also kept two of their four cottages.

    She told the court her ex-husband tried to paint her as an irresponsible spender with mental issues in an effort to retain control of her finances and deny her claim to nearly $119,000 in monthly living expenses.

    These included $2,600 for a pilates and yoga instructor, $1,500 in club fees and $13,000 on clothing.

    …

    Greer found that regardless of the contract, “each spouse should be able to continue to live in a fashion that, while not equal, does not require the wife, in this instance, to have to immediately sell her matrimonial home or one or more of the cottages in her name.”‘

    The “man up” screechers like to say “just get a prenup if you’re so afraid”. Time for them to just shut up. Forever.

    [Heartiste: What have I been telling you people (“you people” = manboobs and head-in-sand tradcons)? An air-tight prenup can be shredded by a good lawyer in this legal climate. As long as the divorce industrial complex laws are squarely formulated by femcunts and their enablers against men’s interests, it makes no sense to marry if you are a man of means.]

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  40. on January 14, 2013 at 9:14 pm No One Is Entitled To Commitment « PUA Central

    […] Great Girls of OkCupid is a “dispiriting catalogue of desperation and man-hating entitlement,” writes Larry Penii for the New Statesman. Pathetic and infuriating in turns, the profiles selected for inclusion elicit gasps and manly chortles – and they raise questions as well. Is it right to mock these aggrieved and clueless young women, particularly the ones who seem less enraged than sad and bewildered at their utter lack Source: Chateau Heartiste   […]

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  41. on January 14, 2013 at 9:33 pm Foolish Dog

    Can’t help but think that i forgot to watch the Girls premier while reading this post. Anyone caught it? No need for spoiler alert.

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  42. on January 14, 2013 at 10:40 pm dannyfrom504

    I have been waiting for this generation of women since I was 22. I KNEW it would happen. These women make it easy for me to get female attention with little to no commitment.

    Then hamsterbate the fuck as an “it just happened” moment. There is ZERO shortage of vapid 20yo 8’s DTF like there is now.

    God bless game.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 8:07 pm NiteLily

      feminism helps men more than it helps women. Look at how much you have been helped by feminism. LOL! Could you live your life as it is without it? Probably not.

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  43. on January 14, 2013 at 10:41 pm Rum

    Lukki whitMale
    There is no such thing as the manosphere. The word carries too much hopefulness and suggests too much of a vibe of safety and support, or even of sanity … to be very honest. There never will be anything like that for guys . We have all been tossed into an underground fighting pit in a remote, unnoticed suburb of Hell; and from which no one ever gets out alive.
    Fair Dealing = Tell your brothers what to expect.

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  44. on January 14, 2013 at 10:49 pm Ace Haley

    Fair enough. If a guy isn’t entitled to a relationship for being friendly with a woman, then the woman isn’t entitled to a relationship just for having sex.

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  45. on January 14, 2013 at 11:49 pm BestHorse

    Game.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/fashion/the-end-of-courtship.html?pagewanted=all&_r=2

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  46. on January 15, 2013 at 12:35 am Greg Eliot

    With perhaps one or two notable exceptions, the women who frequent the chateau are entitled to commitment…

    at the nearest State mental facility.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 12:56 am obsessivecakedisorder

      WAKKA, WAKKA, WAKKA!

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 2:33 am Greg Eliot

        But my dear… you were one of the aforementioned notables. 😉

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 3:12 am obsessivecakedisorder

        Aw, are you trying to butter me up again? 😉

        FWIW, Fozzy rocked. Kermit sucked. ’twas never a greener beta. I supposed he was the first famous chubby chaser.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 3:16 am obsessivecakedisorder

        suppose*

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 10:16 am Greg Eliot

        Naw… just trying to reinstate your erstwhile confidence so as to see that little blonde bobble-head of yours back in the avatar…. lllozozozozolzllzlzozozozozozlzlzl

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 3:56 am taterearl

      This is the worst woman I ever saw; when you commit to a woman like this I betcha you get a free bowl of soup. Oh, she’s fine for you though.”

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 8:54 am taterearl

      Oh, these is the worst gals I ever saw. What, when you commit to a girls like that I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh? Oh, they’re good for you though.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 10:09 am Greg Eliot

        lllozozozozlllll… I had that scene in mind too… uncanny.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 2:48 pm Nicole

      Yeah run back under the state’s skirt when it suits you.

      A person who is well adjusted to a sick society is sick.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 3:33 pm Greg Eliot

        Not one of the aforementioned notables…

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 5:58 am Nicole

        I don’t think there’s anyone here who was interested in knowing, who didn’t know what I look like. I have enough photos and videos. Since I never claimed to be a hottie, what was your point? By the way, where are your pics, or hey, evidence of anything you’ve ever produced that requires more effort than a cow pushing out fresh fertilizer?

        Of course someone who prides himself in his ability to do nothing of importance would view someone like me as insane.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 8:39 am Greg Eliot

        Knowing my accomplishments would have you tossing and turning at night, in anticipation of the plane ride you’d just have to book, to come bask in my strength, once I’ve had my fill of Neecy.

        Even my failures, so titanic they, would have you mewling and wet, my zaftge dark dumpling. 😉

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 10:57 pm Nicole

        People who measure a person’s worth by their conformity to a self destructive culture don’t accomplish anything important. You’re too busy trying to be normal to be great. So on this, I have to say, “Pics or stfu,” or call you a hypocrite. You’re one or the other, a liar or a hypocrite.

        When I say “something important”, I mean something that will outlast your lifespan. I mean something for which generations and people beyond your own direct progeny will sing your praises or curse you. I mean break a cartel, force a change in legislation, start a real movement that does more than mutual mental masturbation and the like. Bonus if you do it without a high budget and by killing the dragon with a precise, surgical strike rather than using conventional means.

        I don’t mean get a piece of paper that says someone else deems you educated or whatever.

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      • on January 17, 2013 at 1:18 pm Greg Eliot

        There are more than a few gems which bear my stamp… and which will live beyond me… from sentient beings to works of literature.

        And no, I won’t divulge the particulars, because I’m still young enough to want to work in this town again.

        Besides, I told you before to get off that dumb “never accomplished anything” broken record of yours when a) you don’t know what you’re talking about and b) have no noteworthy track record yourself… my little double-chocolate pastry. 😉

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      • on January 17, 2013 at 2:24 pm NiteLily

        Wow, so you published? Literature?

        Like stories about different Nazzzzi scenarios had they won? Or maybe a romance with allusions to the evil J-conspiracy embedded within?

        The Wagner of literature is amongst us, what an honor! Just make sure your stuff is not as mediocre as his music was 🙂

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      • on January 17, 2013 at 2:33 pm Greg Eliot

        Wagner still manages to fill the Met, no matter how ridiculously avant garde the Inszenierung concocted by those who would attempt distraction or disdain of the traditional.

        And last I checked, there was still a waiting list for Bayreuth.

        Try not to make your tiny mind appear even more miniscule, dolly.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 1:51 pm NiteLily

        I think he meant that you’re black and therefore you too run under the state’s skirt when it suits you. I don’t think he meant anything to do with your looks.

        In any case, he doesn’t have proof of this, so he shouldn’t assume it’s what you do.

        Did you vote for Obama? If you didn’t vote in this round for whatever reason, if you could have voted, would you have voted for him?

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 2:02 pm Greg Eliot

        Stand aside, cockblock.

        Hell, woman, couldn’t you just go back to calling me a Nazi? At least that was getting me some action.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 2:56 pm NiteLily

        Don’t worry hun, I’ll call you that too. I just noticed that Nicole sometimes misunderstands.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 9:31 pm Greg Eliot

        You yourself misunderstand…

        The two most recent of your many missteps is this subthread (whose intention was merely a jest on the word ‘committed’) and mistaking Matt King’s ‘Lord Of Lords, Alpha of Alphas’ comment to mean him, when he meant the actual Lord, Jesus Christ.

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      • on January 17, 2013 at 1:46 am NiteLily

        How did I misunderstand when you show a picture of Nicole? You either meant what she thought (you mocking her looks) or you meant that she too runs under the skirt of the state like the others she berates? What does the word commitment have to do with Nichole’s picture?

        Regarding Matt, I may have misunderstood him. I admit that I didn’t read all his comments in that section, as he has a tendency to bloviate, which gets old after a while, so maybe I jumped to the wrong conclusion. However, that said, I wasn’t that off the mark where he is considered. He definitely has an inflated ego, and I am not the only one saying it. But of course, leave it to you his bodyguard to know exactly what he meant, hahaha…

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      • on January 17, 2013 at 1:11 pm Greg Eliot

        I admit that I didn’t read all his comments in that section, as he has a tendency to bloviate, which gets old after a while…

        LLLOOZOZOZOZOZLZLZLZLZLZLZOZOZOZOL

        Irony, thy name is Lily.

        How did I misunderstand when you show a picture of Nicole? You either meant what she thought (you mocking her looks) or you meant that she too runs under the skirt of the state like the others she berates? What does the word commitment have to do with Nichole’s picture?

        Okay, slowly, and by the numbers:

        1) The OP of this subthread began with my jest that the women of the chateau, with perhaps one or two notable exceptions, being entitled to commitment… in the nearest State mental facility.

        2) OCD chimed in with “Waka, Waka, Waka”, as being a playful “I’m crazy” sort of reply.

        3) I told her that she was one of the aforementioned notable exceptions.

        4) Nicole chimed in with one of her odd attempts at snark… namely, that my OP meant “hiding behind the skirts” of the State, or some such thing. (Notice the usual ‘irony challenged’ female response, btw).

        5) So I posted her picture as one of the NOT notable exceptions… in short, she was one of the women my original jest meant to playfully barb.

        Got it? Very tedious to have to drill down like this.. and alas, another jest fallen flat!

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      • on January 17, 2013 at 2:13 pm NiteLily

        “Got it? Very tedious to have to drill down like this.. and alas, another jest fallen flat!”

        No, didn’t get it. Too complicated and too much of wasted energy trying to understand your brand of waste-of-time humor. I doubt Nicole or anyone else got it either, which is why no one commented to you. Hahaha……I guess, it’s a jest only in your mind. You don’t have much to do to pass the time, ha?

        “Irony, thy name is Lily.”

        Absolutely not. I have many short comments, as well as long ones. I tend to write long comments when one of you Nazzzzis makes an outrageous accusation that needs refuting.

        Unfortunately, when making false statements all one of you needs is one line of falsehood and it’s already in the mind of the listener as possible truth. However, to refute it one needs at least 3 lines, because one needs to explain and also bring proof refuting the lairs. So for every one paragraph of the liars, I need 3 refuting it. It’s a 1:3 ration. That’s the nature of clarification. So I don’t consider myself bloviating.

        However, Matt, has a tendency to attack almost everyone with his long-winded posts, which he thinks are Works of Art LOL. He can go on and on forever in his pompous and boastful manner using analogies, wordplay, and allusions to literature before he gets to his point, which only you seem to think are clever. But of course, what do we expect from his bodyguard who attaches himself to his butt at every post?

        Not that I care, mind you. Matt can bloviate as much as he wants. I only attack him when he is being dishonest and attacking me for something he knows he agrees with, but because I’m a female he feels he needs to put me in my place. I know his low self-esteem tendencies. It’s beta and it’s practiced by many a men here. It’s called having hard feelings and being resentful towards women for things that are innate to their nature. Feminists do the same thing when they attack men for their innate nature. In either case, it doesn’t help the situation between the sexes.

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      • on January 17, 2013 at 2:22 pm Greg Eliot

        I doubt Nicole or anyone else got it either, which is why no one commented to you. Hahaha……

        lllozozoozlzlzlzl… missed another one, did ya?

        Obsessivecakedisorder commented right quick and got the joke.

        The men here at the chateau are used to my jests and don’t feel the need to remark upon each one, for the sake of time and word economy… but they enjoy them nonetheless.

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      • on January 17, 2013 at 2:27 pm Greg Eliot

        And for the record, taterearl commented as well, with his own meaty allusion of a jest.

        But the best jest of all is your long-winded reply, denying your proclivity for bloviation.

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      • on January 17, 2013 at 2:40 pm NiteLily

        “Obsessivecakedisorder commented right quick and got the joke.”

        Why are you spinning? How’s it becoming? I don’t see anyone commenting to you after you posted Nicole’s picture, except Nicole and me. I don’t know what you were “joking “ about before that comment was made, as it’s irrelevant. I am referring to the picture comment and anything subsequent to it. If it was a joke, it was only a joke to your peculiar mind, as it’s a big stretch to understand that you meant Nichole is one of the ones that needs to be committed “at the nearest State mental facility,” after she said something about running “under the state’s skirt when it suits you.” It’s easy to also make my assumption that you meant she is one of the ones who runs under the state’s skirt since she is a woman or black. Her assumption that you were making fun of her looks, I thought was totally off. I was crediting you, not putting you down. But now on second thought, maybe you were indeed making fun of her looks. Who the hell knows anymore?

        “The men here at the chateau are used to my jests and don’t feel the need to remark upon each one, for the sake of time and word economy… but they enjoy them nonetheless.”

        If you think that, I have the Brooklyn bridge to sell you, dupe.

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  47. on January 15, 2013 at 4:58 am 3rd Millenium Men

    “The plea to replace mockery with understanding is a familiar one; it’s what lies behind the calls to stop using the word “slut,” because women find it shaming… Besides the near-universal sense that they’ve been unjustly defrauded, the great commonality among these Great Girls is their contempt for men’s sexual interest. They rage about being “pump and dumped,” and complain about the hours spent fucking men without being given so much as a candlelit dinner in return for their investment.”

    Hahaha greatness Heartiste!! You’re spot on in terms of the role reversal affecting women who will rage against betas yet whinge and cry that they can’t get alphas attention for longer than the time of their erections… and still never understand why.

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  48. on January 15, 2013 at 7:58 am Feminism är verklighetsfrånvänt « Yasers hörna

    […] There’s a reason leftists get English, Media and Communications degrees rather than STEM ones. This is it. [källa] […]

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  49. on January 15, 2013 at 8:51 am taterearl

    I’m going to be working on a new drug. It’ll be called commitment control. Men will take it and it will stifle the need to emotionally commit to any old “good girl” tart that promises a happy marriage. Text messages will be replied to hours after receiving them and they will be short with “cool”, “lame” and “gay” as the norm. Flower shops will go out of business, high class eateries will become extinct, diamonds will be as cheap as coal, and divorce lawyers and counselors will be run out of business. Hamsters will spin out of control as women approach 30.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 10:13 am Greg Eliot

      Then hook up them hamsters wheels so as to generate power and you’ve got your Utopia, right there.

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  50. on January 15, 2013 at 10:59 am Tilikum

    Sat down yesterday and put together a very comprehensive plan for the next 10 years (I am mid-30’s, divorced, high income demographically) and on re-reading it, there were lots of plans to build a new cabin etc., but nothing about a regular woman.

    Oops.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 11:46 am Wrecked 'Em

      Add “traveling in Eastern Europe”.

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  51. on January 15, 2013 at 12:14 pm White Woman

    I don’t think women realize that men are only willing to commit to women that would be good wives and mothers. Most women believe that they are intrinsically valuable and special for their personalities. Self-esteem levels are far too high IMO.

    [Heartiste: A man’s feelings of commitment intensify in direct proportion to the beauty of the woman he is seeing. The prettier the girl, the more he wants to give his all. However, beauty is a necessary but not sufficient condition for inspiring commitment from men. Once that bar has been hurdled, the man takes other factors into account — her femininity, generosity, emotional stability, nurturing instinct, intelligence, kind-heartedness, even-keeled political leanings, etc. That initial beauty bar is high indeed — 90-95% of the romantic value of a woman is in her looks — but the other traits matter as well, and they matter more as time goes on. Good looks lose their impact over time on even the most smitten men, but bad character is the steaming deuce that stinks worse with every passing hour.]

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 1:56 pm Matthew King (King A)

      Cut “90-95%” almost in half. Fifty-five to sixty-five is more like it. Exaggerating for effect has its uses, but in this case it sounds entirely too much like a girl saying, “Good humor is 90-95% of the romantic value of a man.”

      I’ve seen a girl physically drop from an 8 to a 6 before my eyes after chatting up some droopy-pantsed, slackjawed, deadbeat spade. What other parasites and fungi does she let pollute her holiest of holeys? White Woman knows exactly what I’m talking about.

      But that’s just us. De gustibus. The point is, when you’re close enough to smell cock on her breath, or to hear her meth laugh, or taste the chlamydial cottage cheese, “looks” fall to their proper priority.

      On the other hand, looks, in their majority shareholder position, has veto power. A morbidly obese girl with a great personality is still a zero. But truly, monstrum in fronte, monstrum in animo. We are embodied souls. You can only abuse your physicality so much before it takes necrotic command of the rest of you. Which goes double in women. And double-double in double women.

      Matt

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 2:26 pm Greg Eliot

        The point is, when you’re close enough to smell cock on her breath, or to hear her meth laugh, or taste the chlamydial cottage cheese, “looks” fall to their proper priority.

        Feh! At times, certain truths are better described in some uncertain terms. 😦

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 3:12 pm Nicole

        I think the point that Heartiste is trying to make is that even though her value to you may drop when you see her engaging in some repellant behavior, on sight, you recognize her physical beauty objectively and first.

        Also remember that “looks” covers a wide range of visual markers. We, or at least I, am not just talking about dress size when I say “looks”. There’s the face, hands, skin, natural grace (or lack thereof) too.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 5:46 pm Matthew King (King A)

        That’s tautological: Ninety percent of physical attraction is physical attraction. Well then, so is the other ten percent.

        Of course “you recognize her physical beauty objectively and first” because that is all the information your senses have at that moment. The question was, what proportion of a woman’s general attractiveness is physical (looks)? This presumes having some sense of the entire package.

        The physical component is substantially more important to a woman’s attractiveness (2- or 3-times the importance it is to a man’s), but that doesn’t mean we should exaggerate it. “Her value” certainly drops “when you see her engaging in … repellant behavior.” The problem is we have no comparable gauge for intrinsics like we have for the most extrinsic quality, looks, and so we dismiss it too quickly as an insignificant rounding error.

        There is no precision in this kind of analysis to talk strictly in terms of percentages. But 90-95% means “almost completely” and “all other considerations are insignificant,” while 55-65% means “the substantial and controlling factor.” A vapid and clinically retarded, whiny blabbermouth feminist who wants to castrate you cannot be a 6 while her ebullient and submissive, red-pill twin sister who wants to be your sex toy is at best a 6.5.

        Once you get out of the range of veto-power hideousness, the distinctions become finer, more elusive, and based more on comportment/vibe. In other words, physicality may be of 90-95% importance below the fuckable threshold (0-4?). But after they pass the boner test, the finer distinctions assert a more disproportionate influence on attractiveness than the physical. It becomes a holistic assessment the closer to ten you get: her aura takes over judgment, and physical traits that would seem like flaws become endearing simply because they are on her.

        Nobody ever says “I’d really love Mila Kunis, but her tits are too small.” This division and overanalysis of the je ne sais quois — taking a microscope to a gorgeous landscape — is the origin of pointy elbows and skinny ankles and 2/10 Would Not Bang. Very white and dorky.

        Matt

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 9:15 pm thwack

        I really love Mila Kunis, but her tits are too small

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 9:42 pm Matthew King (King A)

        You mean her ass.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 11:36 am yaser

        I would never pledge monogamy to woman with physical 100% and mental 40%.

        If forced to choose between two options, i would rather go with the physical 40% and metal 100%.

        You can always close you eyes and have a role-played imaginary threesome, but how long can you pretend you don’t hear bullshit before going insane?

        Of course, the whole premise of pledging monogamy is counter to a mans desires.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 11:51 am yaser

        Having said that, i would put the physical importance at 40-50% for a LTR, and at 90-95% for a ONS.

        There are so many more non-physical traits to want in a LTR-worthy woman than physical.

        Don’t misunderstand me. Physical beauty is really important. But ultimately, in a LTR woman, what good does her beauty do when you get cuckolded? Specially considering that you get desensitized over time, and her beauty stops being as special?

        On the other hand, her nag , her shit tests, those will irritate you more and more for each day.

        Oh, you are alpha? You cruise through shit-tests? Nag don’t bite? Then how come i don’t see PUAs with 20 and 30 year old relations. and sharing wisdom about how to do married life-game, or my-baby-just-shat-and-puked-game?

        In my view, submissiveness, being God fearing, a desire to get into Heaven through pleasing the husband and a psychological inability to even ponder infidelity trumps extraordinary beauty with a good margin. But of course, you need to have experienced that to know it’s value, and unfortunately for my hedonistic atheistic brothers in humanity, i doubt you ever will.

        Of course, none of that means that the ideal is anything but a 100% / 100% woman.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 8:20 pm NiteLily

        I think CH means that beauty is not enough to keep a man with a woman, no matter how gorgeous she is if her personality stinks. How many women don’t know how to treat a man kindly and compassionately? I think a good attitude on a woman is much more important than most things a woman has to give a man, save her beauty. Or maybe both are equally important.

        Once her looks pass in his eyes, it’s time to evaluate the other things that matter, like her intelligence and her compatibility with him, because beauty eventually fades and a woman needs to have other things that cause a man to enjoy being with her.

        It reminds me of Proverbs:

        “Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain, but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised.”

        This was written by Kind Solomon, who rumor has it had a 1,000 wives. He came to the conclusion that beauty is fleeting but a God fearing woman should be praised. Fear of the Lord can be substituted in today’s language with kindness, intelligence, and an overall good personality, which is what he meant back in those days. A good personality is what stays with a woman after beauty’s short window closes.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 12:00 pm yaser

        Actually, “fears the LORD” surpasses the three great qualities you mentioned: “kindness, intelligence, and an overall good personality”.

        It means having a sense of purpose with her life, and knowing that this life is transitory. Seeing her marriage as a mission to please the creator of the whole goddamn universe!

        Being able to accept bullshit from her husband when he is having a shitty day, for the love of God. Being ready to take a hit for the team, no, not even for the team, but just in order to please God.

        That requires REAL belief in God.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 2:50 pm NiteLily

        “Actually, “fears the LORD” surpasses the three great qualities you mentioned: “kindness, intelligence, and an overall good personality”

        Agreed! But I was trying to make it relatable to most here who don’t believe in God, as you said in another comment:

        “But of course, you need to have experienced that to know it’s value, and unfortunately for my hedonistic atheistic brothers in humanity, i doubt you ever will.”

        See, those kinds of men will never understand what a man like you knows, and a woman with knowledge of old wisdom knows too.

        “Being able to accept bullshit from her husband when he is having a shitty day, for the love of God. “

        Cutting your hubby some slack goes a long way. Unfortunately, most women have no compassion for their husbands. They have more compassion for the dog than they do the husband. Instead, they are in constant competition with him. That’s what has become of the western woman.

        BTW, are you currently physically faithful to your wife, or not? Just curious.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 3:34 pm yaser

        “BTW, are you currently physically faithful to your wife, or not? Just curious.”

        Before getting married, while talking about getting married, i made clear to my wife that i wanted four wives, and if she did not agree, she needed to include in the marriage her objection.

        She objected, and i agreed to her terms, meaning that i would not marry other women while married to her. In practice, it means that she will have the right to divorce if i do. Extramarital sex (zinā) is out of the question, and what i gather, Ma malakat aymanukum are mostly taken by westerners this days, no matter their hypocrisy.

        I wanted to have the marriage contract write “unless we both change our mind later on this issue”, but i figured it was useless to insist on that, since it applies by default to everything in the marriage contract.

        Now, after almost four years of marriage, i have managed to change my wifes mind. She now views my vision of a polygynous family all living in the same house to have more significantly more benefits than drawbacks.

        (yamo = everything beta and alpha, physical or non-physical that men have and females desire, want or find attractive)

        (nara = everything physical or non-physical that females have and males desire, want or find attractive)

        The only problem with actually implementing polygyni is that society would not tolerate it, and since i know that a big portion of yamo is societal pre-selection, it would not work unless i considerably raise it my societal pre-selection.

        So in practice, she agreed that if i get wealthy, get a great body, improve my social skills and such to a point were people would not be able to look down on our family, she would agree to it.

        (and no, she won’t get a dime if she back-stabs me and go for a secular divorce.)

        I’m going for it, since i need more than my current wife to get ten kids – we have two kids and it’s very hard on her to produce them.

        So yeah, my kids are gonna take over the fruits of all the hard work that the ancestors of the now nihilistic atheistic childless self-deluding “alphas” have done. You keep screwing those infertile sluts mate!

        Also the work of the ancestors of believers in AGW.

        Carbon footprint, lmao!

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 4:02 pm NiteLily

        So you wouldn’t have sex out of wedlock because you believe it’s a sin, but you will take on more wives if the society didn’t frown on it and you could afford it, meaning you are currently faithful to your wife. Cool! Sometimes just the wife agreeing to it in theory is enough to make the husband feel good and dominant.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 4:17 pm yaser

        “So you wouldn’t have sex out of wedlock because you believe it’s a sin, but you will take on more wives if the society didn’t frown on it and you could afford it, meaning you are currently faithful to your wife.”

        Yes.

        Also, both Mosaic Law and Sharia agrees on it’s permissibility, while nothing in the new Testament abrogates it.

        http://waspolygamyasininthenewtestament.blogspot.se/

        “Sometimes just the wife agreeing to it in theory is enough to make the husband feel good and dominant.”

        haha…

        Well, it does help. But if it’s just bluff, it might blow up in the wifes face, when the husband gets around to fulfill the conditions. You do know that it’s the most potent male motivator?

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 4:43 pm Greg Eliot

        One God, this I can understand.

        But one wife? It is not civilized. It is not… generous.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 4:46 pm yaser

        “currently faithful”

        lol, i missed that the first time i read.

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      • on January 16, 2013 at 4:59 pm NiteLily

        Well, all 3 monotheistic religions imply to variant degrees that sex out of wedlock is not desirable. It’s not directly stated in the New Testament because it’s not really considered a sin in Judaism. In Jewish tradition, sex out of wedlock is not a sin per se, but it has a negative connotation, especially for the woman who is expected to be a virgin upon her wedding night. In contrast, it’s considered a terrible sin if a married woman has sex with another man, and it’s considered a terrible sin if a man has sex with a married woman – the Old Testament refers to it being a sin only in a case of a married woman. In the case of a non-married woman, there is only an implication of it being undesirable, and that’s found in the Jewish Oral Law.

        Islam is the most strict of all there. As you know, Islam is more strict than Judaism, but Christianity is not as strict as Judaism . For example, Judaism says married women only (not unmarried ones) must cover their hair as a sign of marriage and lack of availability to other men. Islam took this prohibition and made all women cover their hair and face regardless of age or marital status, with some sects even mandating the wearing of the burka, which covers the entire body. Christianity doesn’t even care about this Jewish rule. It stripped it from its religious tenets. Thus, Islam is to the right of Judaism and Christianity is to the left. Judaism is sandwiched between the two.

        Now you know why the West, which is based on both Christianity and Judaism, are prone to leftism, but countries following Islam are not. Leftism is mostly built into Christianity from its pagan predecessors, the Greeks and the Romans, who were converted into an off-shoot of Judaism that is much less strict than the parent religion, while Islam takes the parent religion way to the right. Christianity couldn’t be successful in converting the Greco-Roman world, unless it was more permissive than Judaism, since the Greco-Roman world was deep steeped in hedonism. Current events make more sense when you examine history and not pretend like the present was conceived in a vacuum like the left likes to do.

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      • on January 15, 2013 at 8:15 pm NiteLily

        OMG! What kind of women have you been hanging out with that you were able to smell their meth teeth, the cottage cheese running rampant in their pussy, and the smell of cock on their breath?

        What a cocktail of filth! Hahahaha……

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  52. on January 15, 2013 at 12:27 pm Georgia Boy

    “[this] article is full of east coast hot babes being tossed around like cheap hookup sluts.” nytimes.com/2013/01/13/fas… 1 hour ago”

    If the shoe fits …

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  53. on January 15, 2013 at 4:31 pm Burton

    Ah yes, womyn wanting “commitment.” Some thoughts:

    The number one complaint from men in the American dating scene is the extreme flakiness of American womyn. Like those same commitment-oriented females canceling out of dates at the last moment. Or simply not showing up. Or agreeing to sex then changing their minds at the last moment. This is commitment?

    We might also look at the divorce stats: who initiates divorce proceedings the vast majority of times? Womyn. She wants to eat-pray-love, and the guy is booted out the door. This is commitment?

    The big feminizt mantra is “No means no.” Fine. This works both ways. If a man says “no” to commitment, and the womyn refuses to recognize that “no,” she ought to be seeing a civil suit or going to jail. Karma, dudette.

    American womyn make a fetish out of being “independent,” fish not needing bicycles and all that sort of thing. Yet here they are stamping their feet and throwing tantrums because men took them seriously about wanting “liberation.”

    The obvious point is that one can not claim to want a sexual revolution, from multiple partners to no fault divorce, and then at the same time expect “commitment” to be part of the culture. Doesn’t work that way, not in the real world. But the real world does not figure into the delusions of the femiMatrix.

    More men are taking that Red Pill. Wake up and deny the system its power over you!

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    • on January 16, 2013 at 12:05 pm yaser

      “The big feminizt mantra is “No means no.” Fine. This works both ways. If a man says “no” to commitment, and the womyn refuses to recognize that “no,” she ought to be seeing a civil suit or going to jail. Karma, dudette.”

      Awesomeness.

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  54. on January 15, 2013 at 5:07 pm Abelard Lindsey

    No one is entitled to anything that they cannot create through their own efforts. Suggesting otherwise is an impossibility.There is no such thing as a “positive” right. There are only negative rights.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 5:30 pm obsessivecakedisorder

      This is the problem leftists have with the Constitution. They don’t want anyone telling them what they can’t do while they tell everyone else what they must do. Meanwhile, they tell all the willing ‘victims’ they are entitled to everything everyone else has. Why? Because shut up and go work; millions on welfare are counting on you.

      Socialism failed once in this country, let’s pray it fails again.

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    • on January 15, 2013 at 7:20 pm NiteLily

      “No one is entitled to anything that they cannot create through their own efforts.”

      If this was the rule of thumb, our society would be a lot more orderly. As it stands you always have a right to take from someone else what you covet. It’s lefty 101.

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    • on January 16, 2013 at 12:07 pm yaser

      A right to breath air?

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  55. on January 16, 2013 at 1:03 am Lightning Round – 2013/01/16 « Free Northerner

    […] Drop being nice; don’t invest in women. Related: The crime of being nice. Related: It doesn’t matter; reality wins in the end. Related: Schwyzer was right. Nice guys are manipulative. More. Related: No one is entitled to commitment. […]

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