CH, what is best in life?
To mock your enemies, see them driven to hysterics before you, and to hear the mooing of the fatties.
That is good!
You’re damn right that is good. This post will continue a proud tradition.
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If someone told me, “Hey, did you know fat women married to in-shape men have worse marriages?”, I would reply “Who doesn’t know that? A man married to a fat sow will be unhappy, and if he has options he’ll start looking elsewhere. Common sense.”
Well, unfortunately for those who are inclined to give the masses the benefit of the doubt, the world isn’t filled with sane people who trust their lying eyes or who grasp rudimentary logic. The world, especially the Western world currently 5,000 feet from terminal velocity impact, is filled with delusional dregs, ego-assuaging equalists, fantasy world feminists, and puling porkers. Great fun if you’re a psyche-smashing sadist; not so much fun for normal people living in post-sanity secular societies who inevitably wind up footing the bills for these loudmouthed losers.
Hot on the heels of, oh… ballpark estimate… one million previous CH posts about the penalties fat chicks suffer in the dating market and the personal health market (and now, the marriage durability market and happiness market), comes a new study which finds that fat wives of healthy-weight husbands have worse marriages.
Using dyadic models, we found that mixed-weight couples, specifically couples including overweight women and healthy weight men, reported greater conflict both generally and on a daily basis, compared to matched-weight couples; however, general conflict was reduced with greater perceived support from the partner. Mixed-weight couples who reported eating together more frequently also reported greater general conflict. These findings suggest that mixed-weight couples may experience more conflict than matched-weight couples, but perceived support from the partner can buffer this conflict. This research suggests that interpersonal dynamics associated with mixed-weight status might be important for romantic partners’ relational and personal health.
The researchers veer a bit into PC territory in their conclusion, so it will require a truly malevolent force to spell out the take-home lessons of this study in flashing neon lights that no one, not even hare-brained hogs, can possibly misinterpret.
Lesson Number One
Men are repulsed by the sight and feel (and smell) of fat chicks. All further lessons flow from this basic premise.
Lesson Number Two
A man with options to do so will choose a slender babe over a fat chick, EVERY TIME. (Rare exceptions prove the rule. Or: Don’t count on miracles, fatties.)
Lesson Number Three
A man married to a woman who has bloated into Hogzilla proportions will become increasingly unhappy, frustrated and resentful, and will express his displeasure with his fat wife in both passive and active ways.
Lesson Number Four
A fat wife is more harmful than is a fat husband to marital health and happiness. Fatness exacts a bigger toll on a woman’s sexual market value (and, therefore, marital market value) than it does on a man’s sexual and marital market value. Men are more visually oriented than women, and a fat man can compensate for his fatness by being attractive in other ways that women love. Fat women cannot compensate for their fatness except by losing weight and slimming down to a sexy, hourglass shape.
Lesson Number Five
Fat wives increase the odds of spousal adultery and marital dissolution. A wife who lets herself go on piles of cakes and cheesy poofs is primarily responsible for any infidelity her husband commits. Harsh, but true.
Lesson Number Six
A husband will be more likely to love, cherish and support his wife if she is thin. Life is conditional. Stop crying, and deal with it.
Lesson Number Seven
The cure for marital unhappiness and a lowering of the high risk of divorce among fat wife-healthy man couples is the fat wife losing weight until she has regained her attractive, slender, feminine shape. Marriage counselors will invariably bleat tired platitudes about “interpersonal dynamics”, “increasing perceived support”, and “unresolved masculinity issues”, and none of their solutions will work except to line their filthy pockets and turn wives against their husbands. They are worse than useless, because they lead women away from the one tried-and-true solution that *will* fix their marriages: losing weight.
Any questions? Or would you stubborn fatties and fatty apologists prefer the whistling lash upon your stuccoed hides a few more hundred thousand times?
I can already hear the trolls and transparently bad-faith skeptics.
“So fat women should marry fat men. Then all will be good!”
All will be good if you don’t mind living like the walking dead.
Mutually fat couples have no reason to rejoice. While thin husbands are more apt to distance themselves from fat wives, emotionally and sexually, fat husbands feel just as much frustration and resentment. Fat dudes are just as disgusted by fat chicks as are thin dudes. The difference is that fat husbands are less able to act out their frustrations without risking divorce rape and subsequent involuntary celibacy. A man who is forced by his lack of options to settle for a low quality woman will quickly acclimate himself to his dour circumstances, or suffer daily blows to his ego no man could withstand for long without the assistance of soothing psychological contrivances. The Acclimated Man (a subspecies of The Manipulated Man) will then become a simulacrum of the fox who cried sour grapes because he couldn’t grab the juicy fruit dangling just out of reach.
“I’m a thin woman reading CH for the rapturous tingles it inspires in my vaginal core, and all my (carefully screened) girl friends are thin, so how bad could this problem be?”

The Walking Fed
See here for an animated map going back to 1985. Gripping (gimping?) stuff.
“Fatness is genetic. Fat chicks can’t do anything about it.”
Bullshit on stilts. See above graph. There’s no way fat crappery can increase that much in a population of hundreds of millions in the span of 25 years by genetic selection alone. The best the “fat gene” crowd can argue is that most humans are wired to put on excess weight in an environment of plentiful sugar-rich, high glycemic index carb food and sedentary lifestyles. That isn’t the same as saying fat people have fat genes rendering them immune to efforts at long-term weight loss. What it means is that fatsos have to stop eating pastries and pasta, and start getting off their double wide asses and moving their limbs more than they do when reaching like an obese infant for a cookie on the kitchen countertop. The worst of them could begin their training by discarding the Walmart scooters for walking.
No fat gene hypothesis is needed to explain the growing army of lardbuckets and the shitty marriages they leave in their battle cruiser wakes. The answer is staring everyone in the face. The reason there are so many fat chicks in the world, and particularly in America, is because THEY CHOOSE THE PLEASURES OF FOOD AND IDLENESS OVER THE PLEASURES OF PLEASING MEN. That’s it, fatties. You choose… poorly. And you *will* pay the consequences. Forever. Or at least until you push away from the table.
“Thin, attractive wives sometimes suffer spousal infidelity and emotional coldness, too. So how can you say fat is the problem?”
This is the mirror image of the MGTOW false dichotomy fallacy (“If you hit on women, you are a beta because you have to put in effort to meet them.”) Feminists often employ this tactical fallacy when confronted by bleedingly obvious facts of human nature that remind them of their low status in the sexual value hierarchy. Just as MGTOWs, handicapped by their shut-in, stunted understanding of the innate differences between men and women, can’t fathom how a man can be both alpha and happy to approach and seduce women he desires, so too do feminists and their ilk betray a studied lack of comprehension about the effects that women’s degree of desirability has on men’s motivations.
A feminist sees a slender girl get cheated on by her asshole boyfriend, and the feminist’s stretch garment, Möbius strip mind promptly infers that being thin and sexy offers no more protection from infidelity than does being fat and gross. The feminist does not explore other, more likely, possibilities, such as the idea that hot babes are more likely to hook up with alpha males who have more temptations to suppress, or that the thin wife who suffered her husband’s infidelity probably would have suffered a lot more of his infidelities, and a lot earlier in the marriage, had she been overweight instead.
“But I read somewhere that fat people live longer than thin people?”
Not so fast. One dubious meta-analysis that contradicts literally thousands of individual studies showing the deleterious effects of fatness on health should not inspire confidence that being fat is A-Ok. However, let’s assume for the purposes of troll patronizing that overweight people really do “””live””” longer than thin people. Suffice to say, such extended longevity would come at a cost. There are the healthcare expenditures to treat all the illnesses that arise from being fat, of course. Then there’s the fact that most people would prefer a quality life as a thin person that ends, at last, rather peacefully in deep sleep, rather than a stricken life as a fatso waddling out an extra year or two on one diabetic foot and aching joints, wheezing and puffing and pants-pissing recklessly because any visible signs of graspable genitalia were lost long ago.
There is furthermore the obvious point that none of this feeble protesting about the supposed lack of health consequences of fatness has anything to do with the topic under discussion, which is that fat women repulse and drive away their husbands. Even if fat women are the healthiest people in the world and will all live to 110, that doesn’t change the fact that they are aesthetically repulsive to nearly all men. Thin people outcompete fat people in the dating market in the ways that matter because people, all kinds of people at all kinds of weights, prefer to gaze upon the lithe contours of slender bodies (for women) or V-shaped fit bodies (for men) rather than the undulating rolls of blubber on fat people. If fat craps don’t want to lose weight for their health, then they should lose weight for the better impression they’ll leave with others, and especially with those of the opposite sex whom they desire as romantic possibilities.
“Shaming fat women won’t work.”
A leading health academic has called for fat people to be ‘shamed and beat upon socially’ in order to halt the obesity crisis.
In a controversial article, Daniel Callahan, the 82-year-old president emeritus of The Hastings Center a New York think-tank specializing in health policy ethics, calls for increased stigmatization of obese people to try spur weight-loss across America.
The senior research scholar says fat people should be treated like smokers who have become increasingly demonized in recent years and thus ‘nudged’ by negative attitudes of those around them into giving up the unhealthy habit. […]
‘The obvious target would be the large number of people who are unaware that they are overweight,’ he writes in the paper printed in the center’s first periodical volume of the year.
‘They need, to use an old phrase, a shock of recognition. Only a carefully calibrated effort of public social pressure is likely to awaken them to the reality of their condition.
Get this hero a free copy of the forthcoming CH book!
Shaming works. If it worked on smokers and “””racists”””, it will work on fatties. Shaming isn’t the sole solution to the obesity epidemic, but it is a powerful weapon against the marching manatees. Shaming fat women to lose weight will bring increased happiness to the world, and that’s a utilitarian argument men can spring to life for!
The shaming stick coupled with the encouragement carrot is a potent combo. Be genuinely helpful and complimentary to women who are sincerely making efforts to lose weight. Remind her, in nuanced language as necessary, that a reward of feeling better about herself and having a more exciting (read: more pleasurably orgasmic) dating life await her on the other side where thin women take their desirability for granted. But the carrot should always follow the stick, like you might give a dog a treat only after it has done what you commanded of it. Too little shame, and the carrot becomes an excuse to avoid the hard choices, or to delude oneself that no improvement is needed.
Let’s end on a positive, uplifting note of encouragement: Shame on you, fatties! Shame! Shame! Look at yourselves. You’re all a bunch of triple decker sauerkraut and toadstool sandwiches wrapped in a casing of subhuman sausage flesh. Blue whales sonically laugh at you. Your smegma hiding stomach folds have spawned a new species of armored crevice mice who nibble on your mouth droppings. Your pets eagerly await the feast that will accompany your untimely sofa-bound death. You are the reason a cottage industry of ass-wiping implements exists. The sight of your dumpy hind quarters can reduce a porn star’s viagra- and yohimbe-fueled hard-on to an inverted micropenis in less than a second. Whole villages of gnomes have been found ‘twixt your enormous buttocks. When you pinch a loaf, sewage treatment plants go code red. Your clitorii can fill hot dog buns. Your manboobs can spray milk from ten yards. You sicken me. You sicken everyone. Admit it, you even sicken yourselves. For shaaaaaaaaaaaame.
PS Since lower class women are fatter than upper class women, (smart ladies know what matters in the big picture), it behooves all men of taste who care about preserving pleasing female forms to engage in noblesse oblige, before the habits of the lessers percolate upward and become the habits of the betters, or what zee French call noblesse obese. There used to be a grand Iron Junk tradition where higher class men would scavenge lower class women for their pretty secretaries and nurses, because upper class women tend also to be battle-axes and egregious status whores. And the lower class women, for their part, loved that system. What cute, economically depressed girl wouldn’t relish an opportunity for love with a charming Gatsbian? But now, these men have nowhere to turn for tender female company; the lower classes have become untouchable, in the strictest sense of the word. So this is why the CH anti-fatass campaign is both pro-man *and* pro-woman… and pro-egalitarian! Making lower class women attractive again will help break down class divisions. Never let it be said the Oracles of the House of Heartiste aren’t generous of heart and willing to share their bounty with the rabble.

Fat chicks used to have nice personalities. For an omega, this was at least a sop: he might have a land-beast as a wife, too ugly for anyone else, but at least she never gave him lip and was properly ashamed of her looks, and tried, with pleasantness, support, cooking, cleaning, winking at infidelity, etc. to make up for it.
Nowadays, at least 3/4 demand you worship them as princesses. They aren’t pleasant, they’re feminists.
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So true…fat chicks have worse attitudes than your skinny entitled princesses.
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It makes sense that there’s more conflict in fat woman / non-fat man relationships.
However, I think the conflict is the result of the woman being turned off by a man so omega as to settle for a cow.
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…I think the conflict is the result of the woman being turned off by a man so omega as to settle for a cow.
someone once said that he would never join a club that would have him as a member
I suppose that the type of man that can be with a very fat woman – like anon said – is the type of man ,she the fat woman, can not stand, respect or even like or love
She is frustrated for being fat and she is frustrated for being with a man that does not have what she wishes he had
the man becomes the recipient , the punching bag where the fat woman “dumps” her resentment and anger
instead of being greatfull to that man who is not fat
and still wants to be with her
but women are rarely greatfull with the men who treat them right
ask any of the millions of nice men out there if women are good at showing gratitude and appreciating men who treat them like princesses
Ingratitude is one of the main problem with women
they feel entitled beyond belief
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did you ever notice that most nurses are huge, fat husky rude women? I guess hospitals are the only places that will employ women looking like that.
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You have your causation mixed up – they’re not nurses because they’re fat, they’re fat because they’re nurses. You notice the same with most shift workers, fucking around with your sleeping patterns screws your metabolism.
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interesting point!
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Of course they’re do. All their life they are told they are special and equal, and then life hits them with a big dose of reality and they are stuck in the bar, waiting for an equally repugnant man to get drunk enough to bed her after last call…..
They’re entitled because life has never given them anything but lies. I’d be bitter, too.
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Awesome GIF embedded in the story – it’s so nerve wracking to see Colorado hanging on and hanging on and hanging on, in skinny territory, until the very end, when [SPOILER ALERT!] it gives up the ghost, and goes obese.
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Of course the mass 3rd world immigration has a lot to do wiff our growth in obesity.Also you’ll notice how bad the South is;the emigration of many northern ni–I mean blacks back to the South,after destroying–I mean seeking a better way of life–affects that ranking,.as the black female is the most obese of them all. Dey be healfy! Aint no one want a bone but a dog!
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Yup… on facebook, you’ll routinely see fat sows being constantly complimented on their looks. And judging from Daily Mail votes up/down, a majority of people still think shaming or criticizing fat shits is bad.
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Fat women are some of the nastiest women I have ever encountered in my life. They are normally very abrasive at best and rude/mean generally. There are about four girls who are roughly the same age early-mid-late twenties while everyone else at the firm are male and decades older than us. So naturally we tend to flock together at work. Two of us are tiny and short, one is tall and thin, the fourth is short AND fat. This fourth girl is sooo nasty to me and my young colleagues. The way she talks down to people is crazy. To be honest, I find the stereotype that skinny chicks have worse attitudes than fat chicks to be a FAR CRYfrom (my) reality. Most of the skinny chicks I know are generally very pleasant people to others. Sure in a relationship setting they might shit-test the shit out of you, but in general like day to day dealings they are normally very sweet (even if they are faking it)!
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A direct result of the “fat pride” movement. Twenty years ago, fatties felt inferior and tried to make up for it by being nice. Now, they’re told that they’re just as good as everybody else. Because nobody complies with their fantasy and overlooks their “differentness”, everyone around them is obviously a dumbass and worthy of scorn.
Therefore, being kind to fatties makes them even MORE insufferable. Kindness that kills epitomized.
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To be honest, I find the stereotype that skinny chicks have worse attitudes than fat chicks to be a FAR CRY from (my) reality. Most of the skinny chicks I know are generally very pleasant people to others. Sure in a relationship setting they might shit-test the shit out of you, but in general like day to day dealings they are normally very sweet (even if they are faking it)!
Not just your reality — this is exactly my impression too.
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Enablers of destructive tendencies. Hell, it killed that wino-Winehouse chick. All those compliments, mixed with booze…dead’r than a door nail now.
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Which it is why I’m baffled any dude marries one of them. It’s one thing to marry a skinny pain, but you must have absolutely no game to marry a fat pain.
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because some of them are good at household chores like cleaning cooking and licking my taint. Some of them have good jobs and make lots of money. And I can get some on the side.
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You sir see the glass half full instead of half empty. Good on you!
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Ha ha ha they do what my sister did. With the advantage of youth and an iron will they slim down,dress well look good and snag a guy. After the marriage…hehe heh heh. After the 1st child ,its katie bar the door. (The refrigerator door!) Now women who are fat and seek and find a guy WHILE being at full-metal fatness,thats a hippo of another color. I dont understand why a man would marry a fattie while his scrotum is still pumping out even the smallest drip of T into his flaccid lil wille. Only an older guy who has given up the ghost and is willing to settle,just to get out of having to spend all his time on his own,should consider to marry a whale.
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Yep. A lot of fat girls I’ve met were emulating the tv stereotype of the confident and sassy big woman but just ended up throwing around insults and offending everyone around them.
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It’s a failure of the system, trying to make girls feel better about being fat. The over-praise needed to offset the fact that these bitch-cows are disgusting results in such a skewing of reality that these fat, slovenly whores aren’t worth the bullet it would take to put them out of their misery.
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I wish there was a way to “like” all of the above comments. I thought it was just me that fatties were nasty to.
It’s gotten to the point where if I walk into a business and there is a fat bitch behind the counter, I will not patronize that business. I’m tired of rude comments and condescending remarks — that is when you can even get one of these porkers to do her job.
My theory for their rudeness is that no guys talk with fat women so the only way they can get any emotion is by upsetting everyone.
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Indeed. “Fattitude” is a fairly recent thing.
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It is a backlash.
Treat a class of people like crap long enough, and eventually, some of them get sick of it and lash out.
It’s funny to me that people think they can provoke a person, and then blame them when they respond with equal or greater hostility.
I was an extremely fit person who became fat partly due to illness, and partly due to bad advice on how to solve it. I don’t actually catch much hell for it, but the bit I do, I respond to with pretty much whatever force will do the job of teaching that person their presumed status is an illusion.
To me, it’s a bit uncomfortable that men who are presumably heterosexual, engage in this kind of feminine dick sizing about who is better than whom based on looks. This is the chick department of social commentary. I understand why it happens, and the why is disturbing.
If you aren’t turned on by fat women, simply don’t shag them. Women in a culture pretty much take care of their own looks regulation, and if they’re doing a bad job of it, it’s because you (men) indulged them. You went along with the feminists making socioeconomic class more important than beauty and femininity, and they’re just taking it to its natural end. Solve cause before you start bashing effect just because it looks like an easier target.
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If you aren’t turned on by fat women, simply don’t shag them. Women in a culture pretty much take care of their own looks regulation, and if they’re doing a bad job of it, it’s because you (men) indulged them. You went along with the feminists making socioeconomic class more important than beauty and femininity, and they’re just taking it to its natural end. Solve cause before you start bashing effect just because it looks like an easier target.
Translation: “Dudes, don’t fuck fat chicks.”
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More like fuck whoever you like, and don’t fuck whoever you don’t like. Just don’t be a girl about it.
I think it is an excellent thing that men push back against a society pressuring them to go against their “higher” Nature. Just don’t let your baser Nature take you too far from reality when you do. Loving yourself doesn’t have to mean hating on others. Save the hate for worthy foes like the engineers of the sick society, not its victims. You may find that you have some allies then, among the newly awakened former victims.
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Alas there aren’t enough black guys for all he fat white chicks out here..
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When I came home on leave while living in town I used to go for my morning run at the same time the school run was taking place. The family next door were a disgusting group of fat northerner’s who I would run past dropping there revoltingly obese children at the school, and would arrive back home long after the cars engine had cooled. All old guys say I used to walk x amount of miles to schoo, but in my case its true, there can be no doubt that kids not walking or cycling anywhere is the catalyst for sedantry/fat/lazy lifestyles in later life
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“the forthcoming CH book” Yipee!!!!!!!
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Yes. Correct on all points. Let me add…as a physician, Ive seen the lard-laden bodies of heavy women naked. Its to the point that I will not even consider dating a woman who isnt shapely (and in shape). I can also tell you that the quality of life of healthy fat women is far worse than the quality of life of healthy thin women. (applies to men, as well, as far as health goes). The statistics on fat people live longer are contaminated by the inclusion of chronically, and acutely ill people who die thin. Not people who for the most of their life lived thin or lived fat. Those statistics are also contaminated by inclusion of smokers….who are often thinner, but not healthier.
Diabetes? Hypertension? Vascular disease? Immobility? Bad joints? All are increased with obesity. (Obesity sounds so much nicer than fat). Complications from surgery? Anesthesia? Need for chronic medication? Higher food bills? All increased with obesity. The only benefit of obesity is that you get to stuff your face. And that, my friends, doesnt feel nearly as good as eating right, and getting some exercise.
Preach on. And good luck to my 350 lb ex-wife.
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CH posted: “CH, what is best in life?
To mock your enemies, see them driven to hysterics before you, and to hear the mooing of the fatties.
That is good!
You’re damn right that is good. This post will continue a proud tradition.
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If someone told me,”
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So, it looks like Fat is a largely black phenomena, but as I don’t fancy black chicks (sorry, I tried, I really did) I guess I’d have to really be a mug to end up with a fat one.
Of course fatter can be prettier; there is an old rule of thumb: face or figure, and another; slim woman by day: fat by night.
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Are you black? Where do you live? What “part” of society do you normally associated with? IMHO fat is largely a socio-economic and maybe geographical phenomenon. On average, rich people (I mean upper middle class) tend to be skinnier, black or white. This has been evident in the schools I went to for my biz and law degs and there were black chicks there. Especially in law school, there were maybe 2% of the female population that could be “termed” overweight and the ONE girl who was morbidly obese (stuck out like a sore thumb) and she was native american. Now that I am working and go to happy hour type mixers, none of the black girls come across are even remotely fat. This does not mean that the black women are not amongst the heaviest women I have seen. I remembered the week I had problems with my car and had to take the bus for a week. A) 70% of bus users were black women and B) 90% of these women were fat. I think it is more a “poor people” phenomena as opposed to a “race” phenomenon. Majority of black women just happen to be amongst the poorest demographic.
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Your observation is correct, because the “cheaper” foods available to those without resources are largely wheat and corn. The same grade garbage fed to cows to fatten them up for slaughtering… is it any wonder that the poor are being fattened up too.
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True, but they sell apples in EVERY grocery store. Even if you’re options aren’t the best, it’s your duty as a sovereign human being to make the most of your available choices.
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There’s lots of cheap food options if you buy fruit and vegetables and cook from scratch.
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Fruits and vegetables are “more expensive” per pound than pre-packaged foods.
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You’d be surprised how wrong you are. Many of these people are receiving food stamps, or EBT cards, which in recent years have been focusing on nutritional food for the recipient. Trust me ; some of these people, eat better than people who pay taxes. Therefore, if they are fat it’s because they either don’t have the mentality for being slim and in shape or because it’s their built, as many black women are simply humongous cows, heredity speaking.
So, I think Martel is essentially right. Assuming it’s not their built and body type to be humongous cows, it’s really their lack of making good food choices. Furthermore, many of these mothers who are on food stamps, use the money for other things while they feed their kids McDonald’s every day, which has about 700 Ca per medium-sized meal. Of course, it’s much harder in the last few years to use food stamps, especially EBT, for anything but food, especially since Katrina. But still, when there is a will there is a way, and food stamps and EBT have many abuses.
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Shit. I want to live where you do. Pre-packaged foods are always cheaper than fresh by me. Toss in shit (fatty) meat, and it’s a perfect storm when you add in fat acceptance.
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Fat meat won’t make you fat, unless you eat a couple of rolls of german salami every day or something. Fat has an undeservedly bad rep when it’s the carbs in junk food (particularly wheat and sugar) that are primarily responsible for allowing you to eat far beyond your calorie maintenance numbers.
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Like this…
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I appear to have upset you – and not just with regard to whether poverty causes obesity (I think not). Whereas I have no intention of replying to your somewhat impertinent questions I would merely point out that the most obese states, as shown on the changing map, are in the south which I have always understood (for reasons of history) to be the blacker states. I assumed that, although Heartiste did not mention this fact, that that was what one was supposed to assume.
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Sigh, I must be inadvertently giving out angry vibes with my replies as you are not the first person to tell me this on CH. It is not the case. My friends think I reply text messages in a rude manner too but they know me in person.
I am not sure why I should/would be upset…I am neither black nor fat? The reason I asked if you were black was because, unless you were black, stating “I don’t fancy black chicks” in the manner you did, is irrelevant as no one will expect you, a non-black to date a black chick in the first place? I am unfamiliar with your history on CH so wasn’t sure if your race/ethnicity was common knowledge? We are all expected to stick to “our own kind” so I can understand your comment if you were black and you were stating that (black chicks on the whole are fatter) and as a result you don’t fancy them. Otherwise, to what end would a white guy make that comment in the first place? It would be analogous to Heartsy making a swpl post and Twack saying “but I don’t fancy white chicks”
I am simply curious…It is never my intention to provoke/instigate/troll anyone else’s comment here…although it is more than likely I will still get rimmed and attacked either way…afterall I am a woman in a manosphere world. Sigh
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We aren’t expected to “stick to our own kind” however. Those liberal MS media toadies would have a white man who prefers the same race as himself be ostracized by femtards for being racist. It’s been removed, as far as I can tell, but quite a few of the “Nice Guys of OkCupid” who were singled out were strictly for that very statement.
You delude yourself if you think the feminists and liberals aren’t trying to interbreed the white man into history alongside the Neanderthal.
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True
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As Steve Sailer ahs said,”On the internet,everyone is a white guy.”
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I think it is more a “poor people” phenomena as opposed to a “race” phenomenon. Majority of black women just happen to be amongst the poorest demographic.
Let me guess – you and mathematics didn’t cross paths much in college?
It’s a shame that folks don’t have common sense anymore, because it [common sense] was such a good [& natural & intuitive] substitute for a formal grounding in rigorous probability theory.
Or maybe you were being facetious?
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your guess is correct *embarrassed face*
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Well just try to remember that if the same thing keeps happening over and over and over and OVER and OVER again [on the order of n = 45,000,000, or worse], then you aren’t dealing with an occasional bout of random noise – you’re dealing with a pattern.
And patterns arise from underlying causes.
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Saying poor = fat is just pure victimization. What is preventing these people from growing a garden or joining a community garden? Are they not allowed to go for a twenty minute walk every evening? The bottom line is the very things that lead to poorness also lead to fatness: Being lazy and unmotivated.
A motivated person rarely stays fat (or poor) for long.
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Man, you must live somewhere else than I do. It’s landwhales everywhere in Dallas, TX. Yeah, the skinny white businesswoman sucking off tax credits to run her boutique business is pale, slim, and wearing a $600 tracksuit, but here in my office I know three women who aren’t porky, and one of them is an immigrant so she doesn’t count.
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The open campus, shiney Vespa, mailbag on your hip, and your iPod in your ear.
WRONG!!!
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Yep. I married the best country cook in five states and she hung a hundred on both of us the first year (I wasn’t skinny when we married; I was downright gaunt, the way long-distance runners are). So we were both fat. After the divorce I lost much (but by no means all) of that marriage weight; she didn’t, and she’s busy fattening up her new hubby even as we speak.
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Did you have any kids with her?
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You mean like for dinner?? Thats sick!
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Everybody loves kids , but it’s hard to eat whole one by yourself.
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haha, read this as ass-whipping implements. those exist too.
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Some part of me wants to propose that we just shoot all the fat chicks.
But the cold, calculating part of me realizes that this would just increase the bitch shields of the remaining chicks.
There is no solution except expatriation.
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Ah, fat chicks—why god invented that one black friend most guys have.
“Hey Jammal, I’m at the bar. I got a set for us. Get over here—your girl is about 6 sizes larger than mine. And blond. And I just heard your girl complain about men being “intimidated” by strong women like her.”
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I was in the Army. An amusement of some of the lower-enlisted was going “whaling,” in which the object of the night was to see who could come back the next day after the bars with the largest set of panties. It made me think of the movie Road Trip, exept these guys were most definitely not the omega in that flick–they were out, and even for hard-core combat-arms types, competing in an exeptionally dangerous arena.
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Were they poaching each other’s wives? Because one look around the commissary…
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I heard there is a custom in ML baseball that if a guy is in a slump,he can break it by going out and fucking an ugly woman. (I read about this in reference to ladies man Mark Grace,while he was wiff da Cubs.) I imagine weight plays a huge part in the assignment of “slump-breaker” status to a woman.
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Plus, since they’re all heavy, moving them afterwards (not to mention the cost of custom coffins to fit the oversized remainders) would be a burden on society.
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Expatriation is the only solution. It really and truly is. Hopefully you don’t have one of these things in your family. I unfortunately do (sister-in-law). To go with her fat, she is also going bald! Two for one! My omega brother worships the ground she walks on.
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Yeah. I’m in Eastern Europe. Ha ha. Suckers. Just wanted to remind you. Gawd, too bad you can’t see them. Heh-heh. Poor basterds. You wouldn’t believe it. And I don’t have to come back to the whale pool. Expatriation, drones. Heh-heh.
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Just bought the condo in SEA myself. Six months per year there, six months with the orcas at present….
But only two more years and it’s full-time SEA and orca-free forever.
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Or bringing one back with you. I did that.
The Pill ballooned her up, which bugged the shit out of me….but she does pushups and situps with me now, and that makes me proud of her. I’ll give ANYBODY props if they’re sweating their asses off working on it.
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CH, two questions: http://www.primecurves.com/tiffany-curvy-goddess/
1. Is she fat?
2. Regardless of answer to question 1, would you hit it?
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IF you are at work, please note that the above link is NSFW! she is not skinny, but she seems to have a flat stomach and curves in the right places. #nohomo
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@Petite: Read my original comment. Is your name CH? Typical of a woman to feel she should interject herself into a conversation meant between two dudes, AND simultaneously correct said man for improperly PG-rating his comments. You might not be fat, but you’re heavily presumptuous.
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She’s not “fat” but not really better than a 5.5/6 either.
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5.5! Seriously? How about this pic? http://images.primecurves.com/tiffany-busty-brunette/10.jpg
[Heartiste: Face is a bit beat up. Body is nice. She’d look better if she lost about 10 pounds, and tightened up those upper arms. Still very fuckable, but could be even more fuckable.]
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Sorry to say… shopped.
Look at her left hip. It has straight lines.
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Have to agree with Heartiste. She might be a 7 with his suggestions…. 2 points worth mentioning though. 1st, she’s on a porn site… which means airbrushing. 2nd, her face isn’t getting any better, only worse.
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She’s an 8.
End of discussion.
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she is about a 5 and she is definitely fat. The thing is, she is still young and hasn’t sagged yet, which is why she looks halfway bangable. Did you see her thighs? Did you see her fat legs? Did you see her fat arms? Did you see her humongous butt?
However, to be fair, she might be a bit less fat in real life as the camera puts 10 lbs on you, if not more when you’re this big. Anyway, I thought you liked yours petite? This woman is pretty big.
Her boobs are definitely not natural. Not that it makes much of a difference, as pretty tits are pretty tits, and hers are pretty nice. But she is also young so she isn’t sagging yet. However, if she stays fat as she ages, everything will start drooping.
Her arms

her butt

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Hardly. Shes a 6 at best, probably a 4 without the photoshopping.
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Interesting how the same woman can be a 5 to one guy and an 8 to another
I was dating a woman who was a 7 at best , but strangely a lot of men thought she was much better looking than that,
I know because some of them walked up to me and actually told me they thought she was super hot and congratulated me ( no they were not drunk/had beer goggles )
strange…
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” I thought you liked yours petite?”
Yeah but it’s only a preference. I don’t discriminate against tall big (quality) pussy.
But honestly, I really meant that she could be an 8 if she lost a little bit of weight.
Minus 1 point if her boobs are really fake.
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bored at office…..clicked on link….thought people who are at work should get a heads up…not sure how you deducted from my post that I was trying to “correct” you. Whatevs
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@Petite: Gay!
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🙂
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No
Yes
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The real question is: How will she be in 10, 15 years? Or after marriage? Or after giving birth?
I think she is what men want when they think about Big Beautiful Woman, but… as an athlete, I know this balance between hotness/fatness will survive only until she’s below 30. WITH LUCK.
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1. No
2. Yes
I’m not a fan of the Lykis model of fat-gauging. Some girls wear a little weight better than others: those with naturally round bottoms and larger breasts. The attractiveness points they lose for not being toned and having a gym-sculpted body are more than made up for in a C+ size bust and a heart-shaped heiny.
The bad news is that if a woman works out a little too much, she starts to lose ALL of the fat deposits in her body. This includes the above two perks which are, after all, fat. Very rare is the woman with a six-pack and a full, natural bust.
All in all, this girl is what wise people had in mind when they said “a couple extra pounds don’t hurt,” not this
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She has very nice curves
I would certainly ” do ” her and I would date a woman that looked like that,
but I am one of the older guys here, so my tastes differ and my options are ” narrower” due to my age
most young men would say she must lose weight, but I think she looks fine because of her very nice curves
her face is a bit “boyish” but not ugly
nice body , ok face
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You may be older, but you CAN get younger women.
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Fuckable 6. Any bitchiness/arrogance whatsoever brings her down to a 3
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Okay maybe 6.5, or a veeery weak 7. But the attitude will still certainly make or break her
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She is still young and attractive and she is woman in the right places. Her problem is she is at her tipping point for SMV. If she lost 20 pounds and kept them off and had a decent chharacter she could be LTR material. I’ve hit worse
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Look at this for comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDLLXUaqZxg
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I forgot. 10/10
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Most impressive. Only change I would make is to her have grow the hair to near waist length.
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She’s a little chunky for girlfriend material, but she’s got a solid hourglass ratio. So yeah , I’d hit that.
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Wasn’t there a previous study done that said that when the man is more attractive than the woman, the marriages suffer? This is basically the same situation, because as everyone knows, fat = ugly.
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“‘Fatness is genetic. Fat chicks can’t do anything about it.’
Bullshit on stilts. See above graph. There’s no way fat crappery can increase that much in a population of hundreds of millions in the span of 25 years by genetic selection alone.”
Can we let go of the strawman, please?
[Heartiste: No strawman here. This is what most people believe is being asserted when they hear the words “fat” and “heredity” spoken together. An air clearing is necessary to disabuse them of wrong thoughts.]
First off, the first statement ≠ to the second statement. People who talk about heredity, like me, do not make that claim.
[I’m not responding to you. I’m addressing the public. And the public is an ass. They need it spelled out.]
BMI is highly heritable (80% so), but, as I discussed in my post on heredity, the expression of heritable traits heavily depends on the environment in which they’re expressed. Change the environment, you can often drastically change the phenotype without changing the genotype.
“The best the ‘fat gene’ crowd…”
(BTW, it’s not a “fat gene”; obesity, like most traits, is the result of many genes with small effects, and is apparently heavily influenced by “non-additive” genetic effects, i.e., effects where the precise combination of genes matters.)
“…can argue is that most humans are wired to put on excess weight in an environment of plentiful sugar-rich, high glycemic index carb food and sedentary lifestyles. That isn’t the same as saying fat people have fat genes rendering them immune to efforts at long-term weight loss.”
Correct, but the conclusion you draw is not so simple. The vast majority of people who lose weight (80%) eventually regain it and more.
[One question: How did all those pre-1970 Americans (90+%) manage to stay thin their whole lives? Surely, if the same proportion of pre-1970 Americans as today’s proportion of Americans had a diaspora of genetic traits predisposing them to obesity, the numbers would reflect that. But they don’t. Answer: Americans are fatter now, and stay fatter longer now, because they eat worse food and they eat more of it. And they don’t exercise as much. If they cared, they would change their eating and exercise habits. No recourse to genetic explanations necessary, except inasmuch as it is blatantly obvious most of humanity have genes which encourage overeating and sedateness in environments that provide plenty of opportunity for both.]
You can try to blame them by saying they “lack willpower” or they’re “too accepted”, but that’s foolish.
[Is it?]
Human nature it what it is.
[Human nature hasn’t changed much since 1950.]
The gene-environment convergence that produced obesity is still here, and as long as the “obesogenic” factors remain in place, it is impossible to expect people to lose weight en masse.
[Yet so many manage to do just that. SWPLs for instance. People have abandoned smoking en masse; they can do the same with overeating and underexercising. And this blog will be a clarion call to shake them from their stupor. If you don’t like it, best just ignore it. Anything else will only encourage the cruel beast to increase the voltage.]
It is simply not going to happen, unless some strong environmental intervention is introduced (like drugs).
[Such negativity. Won’t stop aesthete sadists from trying. Note that I am not opposed to drug panaceas, but in the meantime there are surefire ways to influence people to shape up.]
“‘But I read somewhere that fat people live longer than thin people?’
Not so fast. One dubious meta-analysis that contradicts literally thousands of individual studies showing the deleterious effects of fatness on health should not inspire confidence that being fat is A-Ok. However, let’s assume for the purposes of troll patronizing that overweight people really do “””live””” longer than thin people. Suffice to say, such extended longevity would come at a cost. There are the healthcare expenditures to treat all the illnesses that arise from being fat, of course.”
In reality, the connection between obesity, diet, poor health, and longevity is much more murky than we’ve been led to believe, as you can see in my most recent blog post:
A Fat Problem With Heart Health Wisdom.
People live in poorer health these days not because they’re fatter, but because we’ve gotten better at keeping sicker people alive.
[Do you deny obesity is associated with increased risk of diabetes, arthritis, stroke and cardiovascular disease?]
“See here for an animated map going back to 1985. Gripping (gimping?) stuff.”
That map is of course highly misleading.
[Only if you don’t give a shit about nearly half the American population — blacks and amerindians — being disgusting slobs. Those WNs who fret about black men hooking up with white women might want to reflect for a moment that the black dudes may be less inclined to leave the reservation if their own women are more bang-worthy.]
That’s because it’s not broken down by race. When you do so, you get a different picture. The White obesity rate is not all that high, particularly outside Greater Appalachia and the fringe areas of the Midlands.
[The white obesity *plus* overweight rates (both matter equally for aesthetics, if not equally for health) are still too damn high, and if you would look closely at that data, have been trending higher since 1970. (Though very recently there does seem to have been a leveling off. Perhaps the CH message is getting out loud and clear? Yay!)]
“Mutually fat couples have no reason to rejoice. While thin husbands are more apt to distance themselves from fat wives, emotionally and sexually, fat husbands feel just as much frustration and resentment. Fat dudes are just as disgusted by fat chicks as are thin dudes.”
Men vary in their taste for body fat in women
[No they don’t. There are hundreds of studies showing that men’s tastes in women is fairly universal, barring a few tropical and Indonesian outliers, with the focal points being a preference for a 0.65-0.75 WHR and a 17-23 BMI range. Even the goddamned African pygmies — about as weird a human group as one will find — express a preference for hourglass shaped, thin(ner) women!]
(and this is not just because they’re “settling” with what they can land).
[Actually, yes it is. Sour grapes is a real thing. The Greeks were a wise people. Have you seen the kind of women a man with suddenly improved options will fuck? For a real life experiment of this in action, look at the mate choices of any famous man, before and after his fame.]
Waist-to-hip ratio is a far more reliable gauge of female attractiveness than is her degree of “fatness”.
[Study after study has shown men are repulsed by fat women, and the fatter, the more disgusted and turned off men are. Now perhaps you are one of those exceptional fatty fuckers who cares not for this fact about men’s natures, in which case I say fly your feral hog flag high. But don’t assume the masses of men will line up under your banner.]
It’s not how fat a woman is per se, it’s where she has her fat (which varies considerably among women).
[Even a woman with fat deposited in her hips and ass is going to look grotesque if there’s too much of it. Black dudes may like (to a degree) that steatopygous rump booty, but white dudes, on the whole, do not. PS If you want to see what kinds of women black men with options actually date and marry, see any black Hollywood actor. The chicks are either white, or they’re thin and sexy black women.]
Discordant weight couples may be unhappier partly for the reasons you suggest and also because of the lack of proper assortative mating.
[That’s just a fancy way of saying that fat chicks are gross to most men.]
Matched weight couples, including where both are overweight are probably happier because of the pull of genetic similarity (which is highly important).
[Or because the fat guy is just relieved he’s not horribly alone, so he’s good at tamping down his natural lust for thin women to keep his relationship functional. Look, talk to any fat dude married to a hog. Get out of the lab or the internet bubble, and watch their eyes. The eyes tell the tale. These are not happy men. These are beaten down men, listless and despondent. They put on a good show for company, but talk to them in private and all kinds of dissatisfactions spill out. Then observe what kinds of women formerly fat men who have slimmed down choose. As soon as the former fat man experiences a surge in dating market options, he chooses thinner women than the warpigs he left behind. I have YET to see an exception to this rule.]
““Shaming fat women won’t work.”
Oh, really?
“
Can we say appeal to authority
[The guy wrote a paper about it. Why don’t you read it and get back to us?]
(although this should fall under the special category of “appeal to assholic authority”)?
[I’m sensing butthurtness. Why is that? Hmmm?]
He has no more idea than you do.
[How shut-in does one have to be to profess disbelief that shame is a powerful motivator of people’s actions?]
As aforementioned, what he states is highly unlikely to work, because appetite and food availability won’t simultaneously change.
[People are not automatons, bereft of any ability to choose at all. Genetics is probabilistic, not deterministic. Plenty of people manage to keep themsevles thin in this modern environment. It may be harder for some than others, but ultimately it comes down to how much importance a person places on his or her sexual desirability vs food pleasure.]
All that will succeed in doing is making more people more miserable – for unclear benefits.
[From the crucible of misery, great works are amalgamated. Anyhow, I’d rather fat fucks be miserable than be ignorantly and obstreperously happy about their disgusting conditions. At least with the former, you have a chance at conversion. The latter type are prone to proselytizing patent absurdities like fat acceptance, thin privilege and BBW myths.]
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How many think JayMan is fat?
What’s funny about this obesity epidemic is that it’s so damn easy to combat.
Eat clean high fat portions meats and veggies and ditch wheat/sugar. Problem solved.
Weight lift if you want to build a musclar physique within your genetic potential.
Running around a track like a chicken with it’s head cut off simply for weight control is a losing proposition simply because your body wants to refeed after a serious workout that loses a lot of calories and the hormones will push you in that direction.
Running should be training to be able to run with more endurance for activities not for weight loss. Weight lifting is the real activity that improves and reshapes your body.
Do an experiment, go to a gym and then look at treadmill section and then go to the weight room. Look at which gender is doing what and which gender looks better. Odds are you will find fat women on treadmills desperately running like a hamster to lose weight and fit guys lifting free weights. That says all you need to know about cardio and weight control.
The woman with the best body at my gym with maybe 15 percent body fat (very low for a woman) is one of the only women to lift like a dude. It’s just that women see female bodybuilders pumped full of steroids and they think that by even looking at a weight they will turn into a she hulk despite the fact that tons of guys with 17 times more testestorone are busting their ass everyday for that look and coming up snake eyes.
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First of all, it’s important to note that free will does not exist.
[Heartist: Has this been proven? Serious question. I mean real proof, not philosophical conjecture. Anyhow, these sorts of discussions about free will always wind up being moot, because even if one could prove that at the quantum level there is no free will, for all practical purposes at the social interaction and stimulus-response level, it does exist. Or rather, a simulacrum of voluntary action exists which can be compared to free will.]
Human behavior is always the result of genes + environment + random events. There’s no getting around this fact. In order to change behavior, you need to change one or more of those three things (the third component being unchangeable by definition). It’s important to keep that in mind.
[Genes don’t need to be changed. Pre-1970 Americans prove that. Environment is where it’s at. And that change can and should occur on all fronts: diet, exercise, ostracism, mockery, stick-carrot, etc. Note that I am not opposed to a future where genetic engineering makes it possible for people to eat whatever they want without getting fat or unhealthy. But as of now, that is a pipe dream. Best stick to tried and true methods.]
What you are suggesting is changing the environment (into a more shameful one). The disagreement here is whether that particular environmental change (if even possible) is likely to lead to a reduction in obesity.
[Right now, our society is increasingly contorted to make life easier for fat shits, and to find offense at anyone who dares point out how ugly fat shits are. This needs to change, because it is convincing growing legions of fatties that their conditions are acceptable, and won’t cause them trouble in the dating market.]
“This is what most people believe is being asserted when they hear the words “fat” and “heredity” spoken together.”
Fair enough. People are stupid.
[You don’t want to give a fatty (or a feminist or an equalist) even one iota of hope, because they’ll take that crumb and try to bake an entire loaf out of it (and then eat it. hahaw!)]
“How did all those pre-1970 Americans (90+%) manage to stay thin their whole lives?”
Umm, the pre-1970s environment was different? I said that…
[Ok. Implicit in my replies is that the message is directed to a presumed audience of readers.]
“‘The gene-environment convergence that produced obesity is still here, and as long as the “obesogenic” factors remain in place, it is impossible to expect people to lose weight en masse.’
[Yet so many manage to do just that. SWPLs for instance.”
“‘It is simply not going to happen, unless some strong environmental intervention is introduced (like drugs).’
[Such negativity. Won’t stop aesthete sadists from trying.”
“Plenty of people manage to keep themsevles thin in this modern environment. It may be harder for some than others, but ultimately it comes down to how much importance a person places on his or her sexual desirability vs food pleasure.”
Apparently, you’re missing what heredity means. Obviously, SWPLs, “aesthete sadists”, and those “plenty of people” are genetically different from others who do gain weight.
[But even pre-1970s lower classes were much thinner on average than today’s cohort. And they are presuambly the same genetic stock.]
“Note that I am not opposed to drug panaceas, but in the meantime there are surefire ways to influence people to shape up.”
Good luck with that.
[I won’t stop I can’t stop.]
“The guy wrote a paper about it. Why don’t you read it and get back to us?”
I have. He has no proof that his rather draconian recommendations will be effective (granted, there is no way to have such proof unless it’s tried), and it was laughable that he cited Bloomberg’s large drink ban. He is merely offering a suggestion for a new course of action. And by his own admission, “shaming” can easily slide into discrimination, and, owing to human nature, that is by far the most likely outcome. Obviously, while this is a matter of personal taste, that’s not a society we should be striving for.
[Why not? We discriminate against smokers and that shaming campaign has worked like gangbusters. I’d rather live in a discriminatory society than in a society that tolerates and even encourages all sorts of degenerate and disgusting behaviors. For instance, refraining from accommodating fatties on planes by building wider seats (and thus raising everyone’s airfare) when they bitch and moan, is my idea of good, effective discrimination.]
“How shut-in does one have to be to profess disbelief that shame is not a powerful motivator of people’s actions?”
Shame is a powerful motivator indeed. But will more shame to lead to more lots more thinner people (it will likely lead to a few more), or more extremely miserable fat people, who, despite their efforts, remain fat?
[This is why I support the carrot along with the stick: everyone likes to be flattered for their accomplishments, however relatively trivial. If someone is sincerely working at weight loss, and is showing progress, I will be the first to pat him or her on the back. But in the final analysis, I guess I just can’t give much of a shit if ugly fatsos putatively incapable of losing weight are miserable. It beats the alternative: assuaging their misery and living in a society full of sexually worthless blobs who ruin my view. Call it environmental activism. The downside to fatty misery is outweighed by the upside that at least some of them will take stock of their conditions, of their environments, and do what is necessary to shape up.]
Again, while you may be OK with that result, I personally am not.
[Ok. But now we’re in the realm of emotion, not science. If mood affiliation is your thing, may I recommend the Cheap Chalupas site? He’s keen on jacking up the US population to 500 million with hordes of third worlders. Such a giver that guy is!]
“The white obesity *plus* overweight rates (both matter equally for aesthetics, if not equally for health) are still too dman high”
That’s a taste issue.
[Most men share the same tastes. So, practically speaking, a taste issue is a fact issue.]
“and if you would look closely at that data, have been trending higher since 1970.”
Or, everyone genetically susceptible to being fat is now fat.
[Or, everyone currently thin has made the hard choices to control how much their environment negatively impacts them.]
We have reached the ceiling. Smoking rates were never close to 100%, for example.
[No, but they were much much higher. The precipitous drop in smoking is proof positive that a coordinated social effort to shame and discriminate against people exhibiting poor behaviors works.]
“Only if you don’t give a shit about nearly half the American population — blacks and amerindians — being disgusting slobs.”
If I am skeptical of the effectiveness of shame on White obesity rates, I’m even more skeptical on said effectiveness of groups with lower future-time orientation, lower impulse control, and a stronger sweet tooth.
[Then the issue is less genetic susceptibility to fatness than it is genetic susceptibility to impulsiveness, a behavioral trait, btw, which influences a whole panoply of life outcomes beyond just weight gain. If impulsive people are less likely to resist gluttony (a claim I don’t disagree with) then it is perhaps true that shaming won’t work as well on them as it would on less impulsive people. But it will work some, even if only at the margins among impulsive people. You can argue diminishing returns, but my take is that even if little progress is made among the lower classes, at least you somewhat halt their advance into decrepitude, and slow the infiltration of their bad habits into the middle and upper echelons. Shame is a primeval emotion, very origin human, so I expect it will work better among impulsive people than you give them credit for. Why do I think this? Because pre-1970 the lower classes, as impulsive back then as they are today, were nevertheless much thinner on average. Culture matters, and I say this as a guy who has given equalists a lot of shit for believing in the fairy tale that culture is all that matters.]
“Do you deny obesity is associated with increased risk of diabetes, arthritis, stroke and cardiovascular disease?”
It’s associated, but it may not be causal.
[I’m a doctor. A fat shit waddles into my office. He asks “Is my fatness associated with or causal of my diabetes?” I say “We don’t know yet, but some evidence shows it could be associated rather than causal.” Fat patient then asks “So what should I do?” I tell him “Lose weight.” I hope the moral of this parable doesn’t escape anyone.]
As we see in my post, the connection is less than clear. Where there is a connection, they may be common symptoms the same root causes (e.g., poor genetic health).
“There are hundreds of studies showing that men’s tastes in women is fairly universal, barring a few tropical and Indonesian outliers, with the focal points being a preference for a 0.65-0.75 WHR and a 17-23 BMI range.”
Such studies do not necessarily reveal individual variation within those groups.
[Fatty fucker exceptions prove the rule.]
“Even a woman with fat deposited in her hips and ass is going to look grotesque if there’s too much of it.”
Indeed. But at which point is that reached? (Say, pre-trim-down Kim Kardashian, for example.)
[Some racial difference comes into play here. For white and asian men, I’d say anything over a ten pound weight gain, however optimally distributed, is the gain at which a woman begins losing attractiveness points. For black and (maybe) hispanic men, I’d say they can better tolerate higher weight gains on women, on the order of 20 pounds. Now, “tolerate” does not mean “prefer”. Maybe black men do prefer thicker women, or maybe they’re just less discriminatory (read: hornier) than white men and don’t mind popping a fatty once in a while. Perhaps the disgust reflex in blacks in muted compared to the same in whites or asians. This is pure speculation based on what I observe in real life, though I wouldn’t be surprised if science came around to confirming my suspicions.]
“If you want to see what kinds of women black men with options actually date and marry, see any black Hollywood actor. The chicks are either white, or they’re thin and sexy black women.”
Well, there is our president for one (though marrying a Black woman was likely a political necessity for Barry). Successful Black men tend to be more White in ancestry, and as you note, White guys prefer thinner.
[I was thinking Will Smith. Jada Pinckett is a cutie. And very slender.]
“Then observe what kinds of women formerly fat men who have slimmed down choose. As soon as the former fat man experiences a surge in dating market options, he chooses thinner women than the warpigs he left behind. I have YET to see an exception to this rule.”
That would be an interesting experiment to conduct.
[May you live in interesting times.]
Of course, the results would be confounded by the fact that these men wanted to be thinner, hence were unlikely unhappy with their current state of affairs. They would be obviously different from guys who remained heavy.
[Degree of “want” can vary within an individual based on contextual feedback. Ever notice how much more ambitious men get when they have a taste of success? T levels are known to rise in concordance with status boosts (and with “power poses”!) This is why fat men who have resigned themselves to their fate and settled for fat partners lose the instinct to better themselves. It can quickly be revitalized with a taste of how much better life can be on the other side.]
Note that I don’t doubt that many, perhaps most (White) men prefer thinner women, and that mutually heavy couples exist for the reasons you cite. However, many men do prefer women who are not as thin as Barbie, even if given the choice.
[The BMI range in which men’s taste vary is not particularly broad. Most studies pinpoint BMI 17-23 as the ideal female range. And anecdote supports this. Go to a bar or nightclub and what do you see? Almost all the men checking out the same few super hot, super sexy babes. Of course, not all those men will go home with those few sexy babes, but that is not proof of their preferences; it is a manifestation of the fact that not all men can fulfill their preferences.]
“From the crucible of misery, great works are amalgamated. Anyhow, I’d rather fat fucks be miserable than be ignorantly and obstreperously happy about their their disgusting conditions.”
Well that’s a matter of personal taste. It’s not the society I’d like to live in. I’m not concerned about obesity in the long run because:
1. The increase has stalled, as you note.
2. It’s not clear how dangerous it actually is.
3. Sooner or later, we will have a “magic pill” that does the trick, if we don’t already with Qnexa.
[1. Time to reverse it. Remember, obesity affects the dating market to men’s detriment. Fewer babes, tougher dating climate for men.
2. It’s dangerous to one’s sexiness.
3. In the meantime, we have the “push away from the table” magic pill.
PS You write like Half Sigma. Any relation?]
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First of all, it’s important to note that free will does not exist.
So you’re a Calvinist? The vast majority of Calvinists I’ve run into are arrogant holier-than-thou fucks, which leads me to believe, ipso facto, that free will does in fact exist.
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+1 for educated reply. He’s posting a hell of a straw man. “Pure” free will doesn’t exist. The human ability to make choices though, does.
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“Pure” free will doesn’t exist. The human ability to make choices though, does.”
Excellent point! We have finite choices, but we can select from within this finite selection a choice.
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WHY do you make the choices you do? That’s the kicker…
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Hey JayMan…Leave it. This is a truth that is too harsh, and largely irrelevant.
It’s like the difference between people who need a mystical god, and people who are cool with Nature and view the idea of God as a useful symbol. Some people need there to be free will that is not at all tied to biology, illogical as that may seem, or else their life has no meaning. Let them have that because this itself is built into their biology, the “god spark” magical thinking.
With enough self inflicted misery, it will eventually die out. The only unfortunate thing to me in this is that along the way, they miss so much of their potential. Learning and promoting game though, is a “good enough” I can get behind. Let them pursue their happiness.
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JayMan, this is the stuff of theory and philosophy.
If each person with the same set of choices made the same exact selection, then you can honestly say there is no free will. But, since different people will make a different selection based on their own understanding, needs and personal situations, then you can say there is free will. All the possibilities pertaining to a situation are open before you, but what will you choose in the end, that is the question.
For example, God forbid, let’s say you and your wife are expecting a retarded child. You have two choices to make – either keep the child, or have an abortion. These are the only two possibilities pertaining to this situation, and you have to choose one of them. The choices are not easy so that you actually have to make a decision. Therefore, to say we have no free will is not accurate at all. We have free will, and yes, it is based on reasons (as you say), and the reasons are not predetermined (as you think). Each person will choose based on his understanding, needs and personal situations. That’s not predetermination. It’s the nature of the issue.
Choices are never easy on purpose. Once it’s too easy, it’s not a choice. It’s difficult so that our selection will indeed be a choice, not a direction. Call it God, call it fate, call it a type of murphy’s law, call it a variation on Sod’s First Law, or call it anything else, free will is most definitely a question connected to spirituality, and that makes it also hard to understand. Why is it that we choose what we choose? Can we always answer this? No. Most of the time it’s unclear. The reason it’s unclear is because we have no way to experience every possibility as a choice, and so most of the time we choose what we think will be good or work best for us. If we had hindsight for every decision, that makes the choice predetermined – the one we knew worked. Since we can’t operate on hindsight, every choice is indeed a choice, and hence an exercise of our free will.
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If there’s no free will, then I can’t stop myself from making fun of fatties. It’s not my fault, I don’t have a choice. Stop blaming me, moo cows.
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To a certain extent you’re right. Serenity prayer, my friend (and I’m an atheist).
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Well blow me down with a feather.
Alt.: Blow me.
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If you could stop, would you?
Here’s a better question that might break the real issue down for you in a way your tiny brain may be able to digest:
If you knew that making fun of a fat person would certainly result in your immediate physical injury, would you still do it?
Here’s another that might stimulate a brain cell or two:
If a person was fat but also had cerebral palsy was riding around on their scooter through Costco or someplace, and you made fun of them before you got close enough to see their twisted limbs, would you apologize?
And another:
You are having a stroke, and the only person around who knows how to save your life is a fat person. Would you be grateful for their presence, or would you rather die or face the rest of your life as a disabled person?
You can only see the humanity and worth of others you are programmed to see it in. There is your evidence of lack of free will. There is also your evidence of society not really shifting towards fat acceptance, and therefore this whole moral panic over it being just more bullshit masking itself as trying to solve bullshit.
You do it because you don’t have a choice. You have no other options for boosting your ego but to be a good boy and do as you’re told. You get a nice petting from society, and more petting from a dude writing his opinion which I respect but disagree with because it lacks perspective, and you feel all warm and toasty inside.
Good boy.
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Hey Nicole! Why don’t you and Fat JayMan get together and make the earth “move”?
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I didn’t read in anything he said, a preference for big girls or an argument with the fact that most men prefer smaller women. He just doesn’t want to have to kill anyone for being a dumbass.
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@Nicole:
“He just doesn’t want to have to kill anyone for being a dumbass.”
If for no other reason than it would be a whole lotta work… 😉
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Heh. I always imagine how far a shaming war on fat people would get in a stand your ground state. “Tell it to thejudge”. Well, yr honor, he was threatening me, how could i know he wasnt serious.
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Really. Sometimes people forget that real life doesn’t work like the internet.
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If there is no choice about it, does the answer matter? It’s as pointless as complaining that a dog barks or shaming a shark for eating a cute seal.
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If there is no free will then how come I am typing the letter “y” yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy 17 times ?
who made me do that if not me?
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Y did you want to y?
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Jay this seems really confused to me. Everything you’re saying could just as easily apply to Beta males. Sure, beta behavior (along with every other behavior) is some amalgam of genetics guided by environment. But clearly Beta behavior can change and the incentive structure society places upon it have a strong effect on that change. Some men have an aversion to risk and discomfort (say natural beta inclinations) and we can see that their likelihood of overcoming that is going to be deeply related to the rewards (and more importantly their understanding of the relationship between the behavior and said rewards.)
So the question is just one of degree re: the malleability of fatty behaviors. Its possible that fattys on the whole are largely hopeless, and that no adjustment of the incentive structure would impact their behavior. But that doesn’t seem obviously likely; some fatty’s may simply misunderstand the incentive structure (buy into fat beauty.) If we look at fatty behavior as a continuum we are almost assured to find individuals for whom the “gorge or not gorge” decision is fairly close. These people would be very susceptible to minor changes in the reward structure. In that context a regime of fat shame could go a long way to make real lives more worth living. Its even possible that the majority of fattys fall into this category, in which case not fat shaming is a monstrous crime against human flourishing.
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“Everything you’re saying could just as easily apply to Beta males.”
Actually, there’s a little bit of bullshit there too, but that’s for another day.
“So the question is just one of degree re: the malleability of fatty behaviors.”
That’s always the question when one talks about heredity, since people think (largely incorrectly) heritable = immutable.
“Its possible that fattys on the whole are largely hopeless, and that no adjustment of the incentive structure would impact their behavior. But that doesn’t seem obviously likely”
Most people will remain fat even in a more shameful world. Isn’t the (largely futile) obsession with diet and exercise enough evidence that most overweight people know that they’re overweight already?
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Doing diet and exercise all wrong doesn’t help these fatties. They get all mad at you if you point out how to improve so they can see results.
As someone who use to be fat, I have to say it is choice. Personal experience tells me heredity that leads to easy weight gain can be overcome… if you choose to. Hard part is learning you have them and what are the good ones for your type and lifestyle. Shit they should teach kids in high school but that would actually be useful for our society so can’t have that.
Because I been there, I have no sympathy for fat people becuase they choose to be fat and I know it is a choice to be that way.
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“As someone who use to be fat, I have to say it is choice. Personal experience tells me heredity that leads to easy weight gain can be overcome…”
Heredity is involved in choices…
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> First of all, it’s important to note that free will does not exist.
Free will obviously exists.
http://lesswrong.com/lw/r0/thou_art_physics/
http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Free_will_%28solution%29
It exists so obviously that, looking back, it’s embarrassing to have even seriously considered the question.
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Yup, there is yet another response from me to this that sits in the spam filter…
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Welcome to the party, pal.
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On Sam Harris’s say-so? You are stupid and derivative. I’d hear a case about how your free will doesn’t exist.
No wonder you are as credulous about social “science” studies as our host here. You’ve swallowed all the standard assumptions without examination, beyond the similarly unexamined reiterations of people who share your prejudice.
Just asking this question in this manner marks your method of inquiry as limited. As though you have conclusively determined that there is a standard of “proven” that in all cases nullifies “philosophy” and “conjecture.” You and your pea-brained interlocutor there need to do some serious investigation of your own epistemological “conjectures.”
If you do not understand the sovereignty of philosophy (unrestricted inquiry) over science (deductions based on the observable and repeatable) then you are essentially answering the question “How do you know you know?” with “I just do.” Like a woman and her precious “intuition.”
Matt
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I’m with you jayman. A so iety with fewer fatties but shot through with cruelty and rudeness to total strangers is one i prefer not to live in. Think of all the negative externalities possible if such itolerance is encouraged. What else would such a society find acceptable
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Precisely. Too bad there’s not Facebook “Like” here…
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The narcissistic self loathing you people engage in is getting tiresome.
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I don’t think the rudeness to total strangers will work, or should be tolerated. BUT, seeing fat as ugly and unhealthy by society, as well as not sugarcoating it to make fatties feel good, will work. I agree, intolerance is dangerous, but telling someone the obvious isn’t intolerance. It worked for smokers, it should work for overweight too.
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Editor says, “I’d rather live in a discriminatory society than in a society that tolerates and even encourages all sorts of degenerate and disgusting behaviors.”
Disgusting and degenerate behaviors like premarital and extramarital sex? Prostitution? Cursing?
Just wondering about the needle in your moral compass.
If you’re for shaming fat people because you believe fatness is ugly, morally wrong/sinful, and expensive to society, are you not aware that sexual promiscuity costs a whole lot more than a few extra pounds?
I don’t personally think people should be shamed for being fat or for having sex between consenting adults. I’m just saying, people have to eat to live. They don’t have to have sex to live.
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Lets have a little fun here
those who were put in concentration camps during world war two – no matter what genes they had – were all super skinny like anorexics after a few years of very low calorie intake
ALL of them
what more does one need to know?
eat less = lose weight,
eat more = gain weight
your genes make you gain weight easier than the next guy? your bad genes “keep” you fat?
well eat less than the next guy!!!
If genes had some magical power to keep people fat then those in concentration camps would have remained fat
but they did not
yes I know I know this is an EXTREME example I know I know people in concentration camps were MALNOURISHED I KNOW I KNOW!!!
but you should be able to get my point
est less = lose weight
eat more = gain weight
what is so hard to understand about that?
eat less no matter how “bad” your genes are
eat less !!!
try it
it works.
You say it is hard?
Everything in life is hard
we go trough painful breakups, we may lose a job or a lot of money, we may get very sick or break a few bones, our loved ones may die unexpectedly etc etc
life is hard
life is unfair
Don’t make your life more painful by being fat and unhappy
I don’t always feel like lifting weights but I do it anyway ( and I am still recovering from over a decade of Chronic fatigue Syndrome, I am feeling better every year but not back 100% yet)
I have a herniated disk, and yet I still do (very carefully) over 100 sit-ups every other day
Of course I would rather eat bacon-pizza and chocolate ice cream and sit on my ass all day but I don’t
Life is hard
life is unfair
life is a fucking bitch
but don’t make it worse with bad choices
eat less = lose weight
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Okay, work more, make more money. Then you have no trouble finding skinny girls to shag.
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Not that simple, you say? People born with different situations, talents and opportunities you say?
Well, tough break. Nobody cares.
This is my main point. It is not to justify fatness. It is to simply point out that different people have different lots in life, and if you were lucky enough to get a good one, then you need to spend more time counting your blessings and less time counting others’ faults. That’s all…not that you should shag fat women or even like fat people, just that you should be able to see past the end of your nose.
It’s a big world out there with all kinds of things that you currently view as numbers and statistics, but with time and experience, may view with some ground level observation and hopefully compassion, especially when age inevitably catches up with you, and you find out that both you and the fat ass are going to die someday with no exceptions.
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“It’s a big world out there with all kinds of things that you currently view as numbers and statistics, but with time and experience, may view with some ground level observation and hopefully compassion“
Conservative types don’t really have much of that.
[Heartiste: Actually, the conservatives I know are far more compassionate than the leftoids I know. There’s truth to the aphorism that conservatives love humans but hate humanity, while liberals love humanity but hate humans. I wouldn’t extrapolate from me, as I am a very special and unique snowflake.]
That is what makes them conservative…
[The Red Menace was compassionate… to their kind. Be careful what you wish for.]
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“Lets have a little fun here”
Yes, let’s:
“those who were put in concentration camps during world war two – no matter what genes they had – were all super skinny like anorexics after a few years of very low calorie intake
ALL of them”
See how much fun that was?
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“genes + environment + random events” said the soulless atheist… until he realized he has a soul, too late…
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H said: [One question: How did all those pre-1970 Americans (90+%) manage to stay thin their whole lives?]
1. They smoked cigarettes.
2. They hadn’t been raised *entirely* on processed foods. That juggernaut was juuuuuust starting to roll.
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3. Pre-autos, they had to pull their families’ groceries home from the store by hand. That’s a calorie burner if there ever was one. And it’s unavoidable.
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Excellent point; not everyone had a two car option. So many times the man used the car to drive to work while his wife took busses and walked to the shopping center for groceries or to pick up the kids from kindergarten. Now we have SUVs just for the soccer moms hauling the kids all over town. Life was different 40 or 50 years ago. Think about it, how many things can people do on the internet without leaving home? It wasn’t like that years ago. Our lives are much more sedentary now.
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The doctors back then were also more free and easy about drugs. If you were even slightly overfat, they’d prescribe you amphetamines on demand.
Now, you have to pretend to have adult ADHD.
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@Jay man
Nice list of stupid excuses…you’ve been brainwashed well
Less food….more work…..lose weight ……simple
How many American fat f*cks do you see in pictures of Vietnam prison camps…..none……
It’s not American or genetic……it’s being willfull enough and diciplined enough to eat less and work out more……
people like you are the reason along with the American food industry thay we are in the fat f*ck epidemic that we are in
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The nuances of the argument such as the importance of environment to the expression of heritable traits may indeed be lost on most people.
But, what canya do?
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The nuances of the argument such as the importance of personal responsibility may indeed be lost on JayMan and Nicole.
But, what canya do?
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Personal responsibility must extend to a whole host of behaviors. If one is fortunate enough to have the ability to grasp it, I simply do not understand why you feel that others should take so much personal responsibility for what goes into their mouths, but you should not take any for what comes out of yours.
Fat people often do not know how to feed themselves properly, as in a way they would be satiated and energetic enough to get through their day, within a reasonable caloric intake. You however, are aware that human beings have psychological limits to the amount of shaming and harassment they can take without reacting negatively or possibly fatally. This is posted about whenever an omega implodes, externalizes his rage, and it makes the news.
I just don’t see how men who are aware of how being shamed and labeled as all potential rapists has harmed them, can think it is okay to behave the same way towards someone else. I mean, I see how it happens, and know why it happens. I guess I just naively hoped someone here would notice that you’re becoming the monsters who made you.
I hoped that you would surpass your monsters, not shrink, becoming small, pathetic, and sniping at people like mean girls.
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It,,’s so easy to blame thevictim. So that’s what we do. More demanding is to findout what there isin the environment that causes these adverse health outcomes. How likely is it really that there has beena collzpse in the moral fiber of americansi the last 40 yearss.
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“How likely is it really that there has been a collapse in the moral fiber of americans in the last 40 years.”
Actually kind of likely. “Moral fiber” should be thought of as a result of all the institutions which promote pro-social behavior, either through propaganda or incentives. The collapse of pro-social behaviors among the working classes is associated with a wide range of low future time orientation behaviors. (These inclinations have always been there, but until recently robust social structures kept them in line.)
In any case, even if it turns out that corn-syrup, T.V. or whatever else are the reason we’re fatter than before (in the same way the invention of heroin is a reason why we’re more addicted than before) it still makes sense to treat it as a moral issue. I’m sympathetic to people struggling with their weight, but at least some people can successfully change, and we should do whatever we can to help them.
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Somewhere above Jayman said to CH,
… What you are suggesting is changing the environment (into a more shameful one). The disagreement here is whether that particular environmental change (if even possible) is likely to lead to a reduction in obesity….
Funny because shaming has accomplished something never seen in human history, something completely unnatural, something much serious and much much bigger ( no pun intended)
white self loathing
If shaming has accomplished that in what? less than 60 years? then it certainly can do it with overweight people
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I won’t say fatness is this or that. I won’t say fatness is excusable.
What is different from the Pre-1970’s? We grow tons of shit you can’t use for human food without modifying the shit out of it, or feeding it to animals that turn fattier themselves.
Pre-1970’s Americans had far less choices for cheap, calorie laden, unhealthy as fuck, food. We made fatty, unhealthy, shit cheap. We made healthy food (by comparison) expensive. A jar of raspberry jam costs a couple bucks. A pint of raspberries? Approximately $3.75. This goes across the board. Add in the fattier, but cheaper, meat and you a recipe for obesity.
So you can lay some of this on Earl Butz for helping create the agricultural system that made shit food cheap. You can blame others for encouraging fat acceptance. Both played their part.
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Hot damn, someone gets it.
Now one more step. Consider why the people with the money would do such a thing in combination and be promoting both acceptance and railing about an obesity epidemic at the same time?
$$$
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Clever point Nicole.
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Thank you, Jayman. I’m hoping it will sink in eventually. Full of hope I am, sometimes stupidly. Some years ago though, I posted about the importance of a natural diet because we were being duped by big food, big pharm, and the government, and was called paranoid, crazy, and making excuses for being fat. Now, not so much.
Monsanto and Michelle Obama aren’t doing this for fun. It’s money in the bank.
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Here’s another point re american culture: for better or worse ours is a guilt and not a shame culture. Not for nothing did the gay rights movement get its start here. This tendencyis usually a good thing overall thank god.
So encouraging shaming would just backfire,im afraid. People, even those not burdened by weight problems would get their back up in support of their comrades. For good reason cruelty is not their modus operandi; theirs is modelling the good life so to speak. A kinder gentler world,even if it mean marginally more fat people is one preverable to your visionof utopia.
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Also fat is not only related to what you shovel into your mouth…but also your attitude.
Angry and stressed out people get fatter easier. Now it may be like a chicken-egg scenerio…but I think stress and anger is the trigger to weight gain.
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duly noted.
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Actually, there’s plenty of evidence to back your theory up. Stressed out people have higher levels of cortisol…and high cortisol leads to greater fat storage.
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Well, we just officially declared war on fat people. Doors were always a certain size, made under the maximum size two people can go through simultaneously.
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Yes, my wife has been packing on the porkage over the course of a fifteen year marriage. In my blue pill days, begging, cajoling, hinting and the occasional out and out confrontation all failed. She admitted that she needed to lose weight, but it was haaard. Off course, this kind of talk put our sex life into an intermittent coma. Kids are involved so walking out wasn’t a terrific option. However, I started getting some ass on the side, took the red pill and then the punany really started rolling in. I did this with the realization that if I got caught, all hell would break loose and I steeled myself for that possibility. Recently I got caught red handed with a hottie 20 years my junior. I apologized but advised the not so little lady that yes, this was all about attraction and sex, and nothing else. She was devastated but shockingly, she came around, melted in my arms and said I appreciate you and I will make an earnest effort to lose weight. This is a tribute to DREAD, of course. So far, she is on course and has lost about twenty five pounds. The jury is still out, but things look promising. So, to those in my situation, please realize, dread game is your friend. Of course, divorce rape is an issue. In my case, the threat of divorce rape is minimized by the fact that she has a well paying job. I’d be on the hook for child support, but whatever, it’s WORTH it.
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Just demand 50% custody. Or better still “offer” to take primary custody. The courts in many places are swinging back to no child support for a 50% split and if you’re faced with divorce, look up your local “father’s rights” lawyer.
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get her step arobics hour a day should do it
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How are you going to handle her looking over your shoulder now? Its not like you’re going to give up on younger ass after all…i sure as hell wouldn’t. Getting caught sucks.
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I’m more than willing to put aside the young, tight, hotness as long as wifey is holding up her end of the bargain. I went into the marriage with the reasonable expectation that she’d age, get wrinkly, stuff would start to sag, etc. What I did not bargain for and will not tolerate is her neglect of something she can control, her weight. At my age, I probably got another 15 to 20 years of a decent sex life and I’m not wasting it with someone who isn’t going to respect herself, her husband and our marriage. Sure, I do and will miss the strange, but hey, that’s what my beta self signed up for 15 years ago, so I’m willing to honor the contract as long as both parties are living up to their obligations. Had I taken the red pill pre-marriage, I’d probably be a single man today. With options. Spinning plates. Sigh …..
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You’ll be single again soon enough.
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nah, women love taken men (see previous CH articles), so you never go without female company. life is grand.
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Love is a very strong word. Remember the concept of overqualifying. When a woman becomes convinced that you believe she’s not good enough for you, then she starts planning an exit. By putting another woman in the position of being able to take him away or replace her, he challenged her, and I will say there is no fuck like a grudge fuck, but that doesn’t last.
…but the day she loses all that weight, she will find someone else. He just made her wiser, not more attached.
Too much dread can make you a pivot. High dread is for guys who don’t actually want to keep the woman for long. If you keep them too long with high levels of dread, you get either drama or left.
So like I said, he’ll be single again soon enough. The question is only whether she’ll just disappear one day, or fuck someone who does think she’s sexy enough in his bed.
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Partially disagree with the comment below. Understanding your specific target’s need, indeed compunction, for emotional range cannot be overstated. Dread, competition for the (contextual) alpha male and adhering to the alpha’s unflinching standards will likely draw a target feverishly in, not push her away. A barrage of congruence tests from the target will assuredly be forthcoming however.
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“Comment below” rescinded to “comment above.” Thanks WordPress Gremlins!
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“Sure, I do and will miss the strange, but hey, that’s what my beta self signed up for 15 years ago, so I’m willing to honor the contract as long as both parties are living up to their obligations.”
Honoring your obligations is quite honorable and alpha in itself, when most people are weasels. So as long as both of you stick to what you agreed upon before the marriage, that’s fair and the best she could expect when many other lesser men would find ways to get out of their promises. I hope she knows how lucky she is. She should thank you for insisting she lose weight. You probably saved her health too.
Keep up the dread – I bet you she loves it too.
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This is a tribute to DREAD, of course. So far, she is on course and has lost about twenty five pounds. The jury is still out, but things look promising. So, to those in my situation, please realize, dread game is your friend. Of course, divorce rape is an issue. In my case, the threat of divorce rape is minimized by the fact that she has a well paying job.
Dread game is alpha. Women divorce betas.
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Fat chick: How dare you say that to my face?
Al: I’d say it behind your back but my cars only got half a tank of gas
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I’d say it behind your back but my cars only got half a tank of gas
BLOL’ed.
[BL = Belly Laugh]
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As someone who exercises and tries to eat healthy, I’m on the belief that NO ONE should be fat. It’s pretty damn easy to maintain a healthy weight, and any excess weight a person has is directly proportional to the excess crap they put into their diets.
Over the past several years my mother has put on a lot of weight which has caused many health issues (Joint and back problems, borderline diabetes). I’ve tried telling her to eat better for her health, because I hate seeing her that way (Of course I also have to mention that she’ll look better – Adding in something superficial like that is the only way to get a woman’s attention). But of course bringing this up leads to her getting angry and snapping at me. If she was really happy with her body and diet, would she snap at me? It’s clear that she wants to get healthier, but she’s probably too unmotivated to stop it.
Deep down women know that men want them to be slender. This is why chicks work out when single and fatten up when they have a man (They have their goal and don’t need to be appealing anymore). As un-PC as it is, we have to start shaming fat chicks and let them know that we won’t accept their fat rolls anymore. Other “lifestyle choices” like smoking have been demonized – Why can’t we turn fat chicks into social pariahs?
And lastly, if you want American women to shape up, do one thing – STOP FUCKING FAT CHICKS!!!!!! This validates them and makes them feel sexy. If you fuck a chick that is of an unhealthy BMI then hang your head in shame, because you’re contributing to the hambeast problem in this country.
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How ’bout if you bang ’em and make ’em feel humiliated and dirty and ashamed? Can we do that still?
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That could work in theory, except that you’re still giving sex to her. Even if you’re humiliating her and your concept of dirty talk is calling her a fat pig, the fact that your dick is inside her is still validation that she has sex appeal – Why would she improve herself if she can still get sex as a land beast?
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Still sex. She’ll hamsterize that you like rough sex.
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Should I add… part of the hamster process to be accepted and sexy is to be selected for flirt/ONS. The fats will have to be invisible to all men to try to change their own bodies.
And you can be sure, some will continue to be stubbornly fat and angry…
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beta males luvvvvvv fat chicks
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Shaming is used, and works in many contexts. These include: smokers; racists; cheaters; slutty behavior; charity; lazy behavior; getting your neighbor to mow his lawn; and many other areas. Why is shaming fatties, especially fat women, so taboo? Is it because it cuts to the core of a woman’s SMV? CH has written that the closer one comes to defining a woman’s true SMV, the louder she will shriek. Is that what this is about? If so, are the fat acceptance and “health at any size” agendas feminist induced smokescreens to blur or bend the SMV of all women. Shame on them.
What is worst in life?
A porker with tattoos, for she has delusions that they somehow add to her beauty and is resigned to being that size for the rest of her life. Otherwise she’d never have printed an image on her flesh if its dimensions were going to change.
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Good insight re fat chicks with tattoos.
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Shaming fat people is not taboo. I don’t know what planet you people are living on where fat people are being praised for it except by a few fetishists and whoever’s tooling their demographic (by the way, all of you who have a herd mentality are getting tooled in some way) at the moment. Most fat people though, are shamed quite regularly.
What is taboo is going out of your way to be an ass towards someone. It is taboo because it is dangerous to push people you don’t know or know what they are capable of.
You know how one of my favorite sayings is that even sheep are dangerous when they’re stampeding? Well, sheep are also dangerous if they are mad or cornered. Running up on a sheep the wrong way, or a fattie can and often does get people kicked the shit out of.
Now, in a forum of men, they are turning over the idea partly because they believe that being stronger than most women, they could do it with little or no physical danger to themselves. Fair enough, they might be able to get away with it if they keep it just under the threshold where it would drive someone to violence.
The problem is that they don’t listen to their own advice about women being socially dependent. What happens if you shatter a socially dependent person’s world by convincing them that they are universally hated for a trait that will take them a lot of time and resources to change? Psychosis.
Guys actually considering going out of their way to make other people miserable are obviously sheltered. Never in their lives have they had the gutts to push someone that far, because if they had, and they were flipped out on, that would be the last time that would happen, if they survived it.
I’ve had folks flip out on me because I was in the wrong place at the wrong time and it is not fun. So I wouldn’t go looking for that kind of trouble.
…but hey, if you want to make a herd and go do something dumb together, there’s strength in numbers. Just make sure your kicks are pumped.
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Yes, fat people are shamed, but it’s generally the men who are openly shamed. It’s almost like a crime against humanity to insult the way a woman looks. Most guys have seen people complimenting fat women on looking great when they try and look nice, basically looking like 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound sack. You also see this with BBW praise in the media and online. I’ve seen so many groups on Facebook dedicated to “curvy women” being “real women”.
I’ll also compare it to my upbringing. I’ve always been rather slim, while my sister has always been overweight. When she was around 11 she was dangerously overweight, and her doctor, wanting her to be healthy, advised she go on a diet. Rather than take the doctor’s (An expert’s) advice, my mom and sister screamed bloody murder – How DARE they challenge her “perfection”! Meanwhile, I gained the freshman 15 at college and had a bit of a gut, and my family was ruthless, making fun of my stomach any chance they could (Keep in mind I was still pretty thin). That was motivation for me to get fit, though, and I began watching what I eat and working out. My sister, on the other hand, is the literal elephant in the room, and NO ONE is supposed to make fun of her weight. She’s in her 20’s, 5’5″ and easily verging on 200 pounds, but people still tell her she looks great, and any negative comment about her weight leads to a temper tantrum. I wonder if treating “fat-shaming” like it’s not the end of the world would cause more women to realize their flaws and try to improve themselves. I have to say that for every 1 woman I see that’s in shape, I see 5 guys that are in shape. Women are told they’re fine as they are, and this is leading to an epidemic of cottage cheese ass at the age of 18. No matter what Oprah tells you, that shit is NOT sexy.
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Part of this is the stupid notion force-fed (heh) to us that we should love people for who they are, not how they look. Women these days truly have never had someone directly say to them “nobody wants to fuck you or stay with you because you’re fat.” Society used to do this for them–mothers, grandmothers, aunts, finishing schools, etc. Now it’s all body positive imagery and blaming men for not wanting infertile porkers.
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Meanwhile, fat apologists operate under the assumption that changing other people is easier than changing oneself.
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But it works because humans are stupid sheep who want to fit in, and will murder their children to do so.
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had a chick that LJBF’d me in italy get stationed with me in NO. i picked her up at the airport and i let her stay at my place. she asked me to take her to the quarter, she got drunk, and i ONS’d her. she was a hard 7.
6 months later she had gained 30 pounds and had a FUPA you could see from behind. she was PISSED that guys didn’t pay attention to her (she was about 23 at the time).
personally, if i can’t pick her up, throw her over my shoulder (or am disgusted by the thought of it), i’m not putting my mule inside her.
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exwife kind of looked like newly aloofs pic of chick but man yea after we got married i saw pic recently my chick found and wow she had bulked up
i didn’t notice it happen i think it can creap up on ya pretty quick
chick was looking at me like that was your bitch lol for real he he he
no wonder i told her to leave before
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One of the few useful NYBetaTimes articles:
Study Says Women With Mate Get Heavier
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/05/health/05weight.html
The average 20-year-old woman will gain 10-15 pounds over ten years. This study was conducted 1996-2006, so it’s already outdated. Who knows what the average is now.
If a woman doesn’t exercise or practice portion control in her 20s, her body will be a disaster in her 30s. It’s not just age that causes women to hit the wall, but bad/lazy lifestyle habits!
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I live in CO with all the thin girls! We run the fatties out of the state!
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I’ve lived in Aspen, CO and I think that’s actually an argument against this post’s fat-shaming theory. I’ve never witnessed anyone actually outright shaming the rare fat tourist who shows up…it’s just that exercise and healthy food are a part of the culture. People grow up thinking that taking a hike in Snowmass is fun, as opposed to being raised to enjoy regular visits to fast food restaurants or spending their entire social lives in front of the TV. So I wouldn’t say it’s so much direct shaming as there are few opportunities to be fat in much of Colorado.
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don’t happen to often but yea i was embarassed
not embarassed of my former drug using ho but embarassed of a fat chick he he he
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Callahan says that “the obvious target would be the large number of people who are unaware that they are overweight.” How is this possible? I don’t believe that fat people don’t know they are fat.
[Heartiste: Not so much unaware as unconcerned. Too many fatties don’t give a shit about their wretched conditions, or actually believe “fat is beautiful”. It is those who will most benefit from a massive, all-out shaming campaign.]
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Actually there is a point of becoming “unaware”. The market and the evolution forces are at work and that’s what worries me the most. First of all it’s changing definitions: small, mid-size, big are all re-defined what is medium today was big or biggest in the past. Many statistics don’t even bother to count overweight people (about 70%) but only the obese (about 25-30%). In the ocean of fatness an overweight might look like average. Just got back from a trip in Asia and it is amazing how an average body looks quite large in a sea of thin and beautifully shaped bodies.
[Heartiste: You’re absolutely right. Proof of this is the fact that the average American weight was lower fifty years ago than it is today. See: 1959 MetLife charts. Our sense of what constitutes “fat” has shifted upwards, to everyone’s detriment.]
And the evolution works as well by selecting for males who are capable to have an erection from fatties. I cannot 😦
As my friend put it recently: “What shocks me when I see a couple with a fat wife, slender husband and a child is that this image is a proof that that guy had at least one erection with her:)”
[I dunno if evolution is selecting *for* men who can get it up for fatties. Rather, what I think is happening is that evolution is selecting *against* men who use birth control, or who date girls who use birth control. Since men who dumpster dive with fatties are more impulsive, less discriminating and more desperate for sexual relief, you’d expect to find among them a greater willingness to settle for suboptimal women, or at least a greater resignation to their dreary fatty fucker fates. Among these men, there will also be less diligence about using birth control. Anyhow, the premise that men who can get it up for fat women is proof that these men *prefer* fat women is flawed. Some men can get it up for goats, but they’d choose hot, slender women if they had the choice.]
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Almost all over the American girls I see in public are overweight. Unfortunately, this uniform heaviness has the effect of hiding/diminishing the appearance of largeness, as none of them stand out (unless she is REALLY overweight). What breaks this spell (fat hypnosis?) is seeing a Chinese or other Asian girl in the same setting. The contrast between the uncommonly thin Chinese girl and the rest is striking.
On a related note, the movie “Branded” had a plot of evil advertisers for a fast food company trying to move the public’s preference from fat acceptance to fat desirability. Over time, even the models got fat. Interesting movie, and unlikely to ever come to pass as biology is too strong.
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It’s called social norming. You don’t drink too much. Hell, your pals all throw back 8 brewskies a night. She’s not a slut. All of her friends have boned 4 dudes this month.
And finally: I’m not fat. All of my other friends have this height-to-weight ratio. That’s why her fat friends want her to stay fat, her slutty friends want her to stay slutty, her drunk friends want her to stay drunk, and her divorced friends want her to hop on the wagon.
Also, beware: fatties hate the height-to-weight ratio and tell everybody who will listen that it’s an inaccurate model. They are right, after a fashion. If you are muscular, height-to-weight means nothing to you. I don’t think many people pointing their porky fingers at that model have to worry about the muscle-mass clause. Instead, they rectify the cognitive dissonance by pretending the model is ineffective and the doctor is wrong.
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Hah yeah, scoffing at the model doesn’t make you any less fat. Of course numbers on a scale don’t matter, I don’t need to know how much a woman weighs to determine whether she’s fat. I could just as easily discern that in a low to no gravity environment, although it takes way too much fuel to shoot those porkers into space. The mirror doesn’t lie.
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I would actually love to gain about 10-20 lbs. For all that Heartiste says about fat women being unattractive, I took the dating market value test for women and I actually got docked points for being too thin. Maybe Heartiste could finally make a post as to what men think of women who are too thin?
[Heartiste: For women, thinner is always better than fatter, unless a threshold point is reached where the thin woman begins to take on the contours of undernourishment. Now, interestingly, this “skinny threshold” is generally closer to the ideal female weight range, than is the “shambling mound threshold”. That is, a woman of ideal weight — say BMI 19 — wouldn’t have to go far in the weight loss direction before she started to look too bony and emaciated to visually please men. In contrast, a woman at the same ideal BMI 19 would have to put on considerable weight before she started to look too fat for even desperate beta males to consider attractive. Most ideal weight women are on the lower end of the sexually attractive BMI range for females and, therefore, have more leeway in the upward direction than they do in the downward direction. But here’s the catch: it’s a LOT harder for most women to lose that last 15 pounds which demarcates sexily slender from sickly stick-like than it is to pack on 40 donut-fed pounds which pushes a woman into the unfuckable category. This explains why there are so many more fatties than anorexics.
Note, too, that women can get away with a 10 pound or so weight gain (and by “get away with” I mean they won’t suffer a lack of attention from betas, though they may see their alpha male pool dry up a little) as long as the gain is distributed to their hips, ass and tits in a pleasing manner, i.e. free of cellulite. Since most women do not gain weight in the optimal pleasing manner, it’s best just to make sure you stay within that golden 17-23 BMI range (where you fall within that range is influenced by your frame size).
PS Are you a troll? I ask sincerely. It’s ok to speak truthfully. I won’t bite… a little.]
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Eat paleo/primal (for your tits) and do squats (for your ass).
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gain muscle then.
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Provided this comment isn’t trolling, it does bring up a good point.
I agree that the whole “love yourself, no matter how fat you are” thing is utter horseshit, but there’s a good reason why women buy into it. The media glorifies a version of the female body that’s not exactly attainable for most of us, and seems to be even below the ideal BMI for most men. Promoting an unhealthy LOW weight is equally as damaging to little girls as “fat acceptance” is to the chunky college co-ed. Women at an ideal weight may be loved by men, but you don’t see very many of them on TV, do you?
Because of this, most women are just craving a way for their bodies are okay. The most devastating thing to the female is being told she isn’t fitting in with everyone else. And honestly, if you’re presented with two body types that are culturally acceptable – one that is genetically unattainable by most women (ie, model proportions) or that is potentially unattractive but very easily accomplished, which one are you going to pick? Like CH says there, it’s extremely difficult to drop down into that sub-19 BMI, but very easy to eat your way into 25-35 BMI. Laziness plays a part in that, yeah, but it’s more about being able to fit in to a standard.
To be fair, maintaining a 19-23 BMI isn’t all that hard, but a size 6 or 8 woman also doesn’t have the benefit of being able to defend the extra few pounds she’s packing in her belly or on her hips. She’s supposed to thinner, right? Or if she’s fatter, then nobody can say shit against her. Again, most women, if given the choice, will adhere to whatever the standard is in order to protect themselves from the attacks of other women, no matter how terrible that standard is.
Until the wider message is that girls should look more like Jennifer Lawrence than either Queen Latifah or the models in the Victoria Secrets’ catalog, this nation isn’t going to be producing women in the healthy 19-23 BMI range.
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how do you get comments so fast?
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This video is very relevant. Everyone here should watch it as it shows some interesting facts like debunking that CDC chart.
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I made it to 0:01:16
Aww… the rheumy eyes, whiny bleating voice and horse-head nodding…. Manboob Alert!!! xD
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He is certainly not a very suave or funny person but what he’s saying is quite interesting.
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The video is somewhat more rustic than we’ve come to expect from the lying cocksuckers in the mainstream-everything.
Randy pities the poor fool who can’t get past that.
Thanks for embedding, Loc. I watched the whole thing. We’re telling fatties to get their act together. It’s nice to know the “how” of that.
The spectacular examples of govt/institutional corruption and leftist pseudo-science are just icing on the cake.
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Awww… Randy. Tone it down mate, i didn’t say you like shoving your man-leather up your pooper.;D
Loc’s reply was much more mature. You don’t win arguments by sly name-calling, yo just escalate them. And frankly, Whocares about you. xD
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Awww… Randy. Tone it down mate, i didn’t say you like shoving your man-leather up your pooper.;D
Loc’s reply was much more mature. You don’t win arguments by sly name-calling, you just escalate them. And frankly, Whocares about you. xD
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awesome video, many thx.
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Man, i just watched the whole of it, and it’s amazing.
Yeah, this should be mandatory viewing for everyone.
ending credit:
“This documentary is not intended to be a substitute for the misguided nutrition advice you an get from your doctor or other health professional”
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Paging Captain Obvious… feminazis pay attention.
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I work in a life-guard department at a theme park. I see thousands of people a day in bikinis. Let me be be clear: humans (especially those of us in the US) are objectively fatter than ever before. If that were the only problem, we’d be ok. Americans are a tough breed and have (or had) a tendency to self-correct when we had a problem. That’s changed.
In this new self-help pseudopsychological culture, inner-zen trumps reality. These fat chicks (and fat men) are told beauty is a matter of character. Let me tell you, when you’ve seen a 5’5″ 250 lb woman “werking it” in a two-piece thong set it’s like drinking a handle of bathtub-gin. You’re blinded, nauseous, and questioning your life decisions.
The problem is that the above woman is unaware that she’s obese. She really doesn’t believe she’s fat, at least on the surface level. This is another part of the feminista war on reality. She even has the social-norming help of looking at all of her fat friends. Another secret is that her fat friends will sabotage her efforts to rein in the lard because it makes them look worse (same thing with binge-drinking and whorish behavior).
I have a simple and more-or-less effective way to judge whether a woman is psychologically equipped with the toughness to stay thin in this society. If a girl graduates from college with a fit body, she has developed effective habits for ensuring her health in most cases. A good amount of thin women in college are so because they are still coasting off their metabolism. Women’s bodies tend to gear down at that time, and the binge-drinking and overeating will turn her into inflate-a-whore in no time.
22 and 23 year old women who are fit are so because they eat healthy, exercise regularly, or both. These are stable habits and ones unlikely to drop off (with the possible exception of college athletes who have no incentive to work anymore). What’s more, nobody hats fat women like fit women, although they aren’t allowed to mock them openly.
The test of Gen Y is whether men will “man up” and marry some porker with her fattitude or skip out and dey more womyns their marriage rights.
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Great comment. Post more often.
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agree with jason, update your blog man. the masses need to be saved.
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+1
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I agree this is a great comment. However, I could have done without the following mental image being planted in my brain:
“These fat chicks (and fat men) are told beauty is a matter of character. Let me tell you, when you’ve seen a 5’5″ 250 lb woman “werking it” in a two-piece thong set it’s like drinking a handle of bathtub-gin.”
Aahahahahahahahahahahaah.
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Which Karamazov and which idea?
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Ah, but they are all the same idea, enacted differently. The brothers and their father were men of pure impulse and radical drive to act.
It is rather like the thunder in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad. From the ear-shattering “Da,” it was said that men heard: “Datta,” or give. The demons heard “dayadhvam:” sympathize. The gods heard “damyata:” (self) control. All of these commands stem from the same idea: the urge to neutralize the inherent wrongness in the nature of the hearer.
In psychoanalytical terms, the gods are the overactive superego which through its very strict denial creates the urge to disobey. Man is the ego, obsessed with normal functional interaction with other humans. The demons are of course the id: primitive indulgence coupled by innocence forever locked within a sado-masochistic warfare with the superego. For any who doubt that, watch the behavior of a child raised by an overbearing mother.
But you were asking about Karamazovs. In this sense, they all embody the concept of full-pursuit. They have no “medium” or “lukewarm.” A Karamazov moves at full speed toward whatever it is he has set his sights on and does so without distraction or hesitation.
Alyosha stands out as a typical superegoic character. The ironic thing about this is that as he has practiced control all of his life, he is completely devoid of innocence in the sense that he is divorced from the id. His constant tension between the urge to be one of the people he wishes to save and to retreat into cold morals for comfort prove to be his own sado-masochistic inversion on the “Thou shalt not. Commit adultery.” tension between law and lawbreaking forbid him from being like his mentor, Father Zossima, who was actually at peace.
Ivan was the ego. His obsessive ponderings of what is best for Russia, philosophy, and culture are categorically the efforts of a person to function as a person in a world of people.
Dmitri is of course the id. He is caught between childish displays and thuggish acts and constant capitulation to his desires. (This can be thought of as a sort of Peter-Pan Manboy.) He has a level of innocence that completely dwarfs Alyosha’s that is made clear by viewing the very manner in which Dmitri does whatever it is that comes to his head with no effort to rationalize (ego) or exert self-control (superego). However as with many id/superego relationships, he begins to retroactively impose a greater moral structure on his actions when his brothers finally cease to oppose him. Without opposition, he is no longer able to play the part of the child.
The old man is more or less similar to Dmitri minus the psychological balancing that the three brothers achieve in the end
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Mostly due to the death of their father, the symbolic divider that caused these issues. Smerdyakov constitutes yet another id character and, ironically, the only true copy of his illegitimate father in that he does not achieve balance.
***************END SPOILERS***************
The idea is constant pursuit of the goal and living as a man who chases what he desires fearlessly. Every day with every action we take, we must pursue or else resign the object of our desire to eternal loss. Recognize the difference between discipline and desire for punishment. Learn to act in defense of yourself rather than natural deference to others. Finally, much has been provided in this life for our indulgence. Enjoy what is wholesome and pure. Truly enjoy it. Relish it until it is almost sinful. But do not cross the border into the domain of excess lest you become child and parent warring in the same body.
*Disclaimer: I do not avow all aspects of psychoanalysis. I merely choose to view the brothers in terms of the Freudian model because of the implications it poses and the explanations it elucidates concerning why they acted in such fashions.
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Ah, but they are all the same idea, enacted differently. The brothers and their father were men of pure impulse and radical drive to act.
It is rather like the thunder in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad. From the ear-shattering “Da,” it was said that men heard: “Datta,” or give. The demons heard “dayadhvam:” sympathize. The gods heard “damyata:” (self) control. All of these commands stem from the same idea: the urge to neutralize the inherent wrongness in the nature of the hearer.
In psychoanalytical terms, the gods are the overactive superego which through its very strict denial creates the urge to disobey. Man is the ego, obsessed with normal functional interaction with other humans. The demons are of course the id: primitive indulgence coupled by innocence forever locked within a sado-masochistic warfare with the superego. For any who doubt that, watch the behavior of a child raised by an overbearing mother.
But you were asking about Karamazovs. In this sense, they all embody the concept of full-pursuit. They have no “medium” or “lukewarm.” A Karamazov moves at full speed toward whatever it is he has set his sights on and does so without distraction or hesitation.
Alyosha stands out as a typical superegoic character. The ironic thing about this is that as he has practiced control all of his life, he is completely devoid of innocence in the sense that he is divorced from the id. His constant tension between the urge to be one of the people he wishes to save and to retreat into cold morals for comfort prove to be his own sado-masochistic inversion on the “Thou shalt not. Commit adultery.” tension between law and lawbreaking forbid him from being like his mentor, Father Zossima, who was actually at peace.
Ivan was the ego. His obsessive ponderings of what is best for Russia, philosophy, and culture are categorically the efforts of a person to function as a person in a world of people.
Dmitri is of course the id. He is caught between childish displays and thuggish acts and constant capitulation to his desires. (This can be thought of as a sort of Peter-Pan Manboy.) He has a level of innocence that completely dwarfs Alyosha’s that is made clear by viewing the very manner in which Dmitri does whatever it is that comes to his head with no effort to rationalize (ego) or exert self-control (superego). However as with many id/superego relationships, he begins to retroactively impose a greater moral structure on his actions when his brothers finally cease to oppose him. Without opposition, he is no longer able to play the part of the child.
The old man is more or less similar to Dmitri minus the psychological balancing that the three brothers achieve in the end
*****************SPOILERS*******************
Mostly due to the death of their father, the symbolic divider that caused these issues. Smerdyakov constitutes yet another id character and, ironically, the only true copy of his illegitimate father in that he does not achieve balance.
***************END SPOILERS***************
The idea is constant pursuit of the goal and living as a man who chases what he desires fearlessly. Every day with every action we take, we must pursue or else resign the object of our desire to eternal loss. Recognize the difference between discipline and desire for punishment. Learn to act in defense of yourself rather than natural deference to others. Finally, much has been provided in this life for our indulgence. Enjoy what is wholesome and pure. Truly enjoy it. Relish it until it is almost sinful. But do not cross the border into the domain of excess lest you become child and parent warring in the same body.
*Disclaimer: I do not avow all aspects of psychoanalysis. I merely choose to view the brothers in terms of the Freudian model because of the implications it poses and the explanations it elucidates concerning why they acted in such fashions.
**I also tried to post this before and it did not appear. If this is a double-post, please delete posthaste, plox.
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Ah, but they are all the same idea, enacted differently. The brothers and their father were men of pure impulse and radical drive to act.
It is rather like the thunder in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad. From the ear-shattering “Da,” it was said that men heard: “Datta,” or give. The demons heard “dayadhvam:” sympathize. The gods heard “damyata:” (self) control. All of these commands stem from the same idea: the urge to neutralize the inherent wrongness in the nature of the hearer.
In psychoanalytical terms, the gods are the overactive superego which through its very strict denial creates the urge to disobey. Man is the ego, obsessed with normal functional interaction with other humans. The demons are of course the id: primitive indulgence coupled by innocence forever locked within a sado-masochistic warfare with the superego. For any who doubt that, watch the behavior of a child raised by an overbearing mother.
But you were asking about Karamazovs. In this sense, they all embody the concept of full-pursuit. They have no “medium” or “lukewarm.” A Karamazov moves at full speed toward whatever it is he has set his sights on and does so without distraction or hesitation.
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Every time I attempt to reply, the page reloads and there is no “awaiting moderation” area or anything similar.
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Some get snuffed by the spam-bot for random reasons beyond the moderator’s control — it’s a WordPest thing. Others get stuck in a filter while the moderator takes the weekend off.
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Well now they all showed up. This is quite embarrassing.
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Don’t be embarrassed. WordPest combined with a laissez-faire approach to moderation leads to funky results, and that’s all taken as a given.
You have a well-thought-out perspective on the best novel in Western Literature (I’ll be talking about it with my Russkie squeeze this afternoon). The thoroughness shows in the quality of your commentary on all subjects. Stick around.
Matt
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That sounds like a fun date. Enjoy 🙂
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Really…get lost.
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I notice this so much with the tourists in my town. My area is basically a freak show of very good looking, very fit, gym obsessed men and women.
You see the tourist women from flyover country walking around in their size 12 capris and their baggy empire waist shirts and you can just see the defeat and hatred in their eyes. They may be “normal” in Ohio…but here they stand out horribly. You also catch the (usually less fat) husbands walking around, oogling the talent and they look so confused and beaten down, looking at all the beautiful women their wive’s age. Women with kids who don’t let themselves go. Imagine that!
“Wait, 35+ women with 3 kids can be a size 4? What the fuck?” You can literally see their minds being blown.
My mom’s friend recently came down from some flyover, and she was very uncomfortable. It is the ultimate fat shaming. The Europeans fit in nicely though, usually.
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just curious. what town do you live in?
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Miami Beach. Miami is a hot mess, btw, but The Beach is glorious!
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Titties on the beach. Nommy nom nommers.
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Miami Beach is like a whole different city in terms of women – if you’re an ass guy, MB’s the place for you. 8s 9s & 10s galore. The women in actual Miami city can go either way (though for some reason they still have ass too), I spent the first 18 years of my life there thank God
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Bienvenido a Miami. No puedo comprender why that particular population boasts so much ass. ¿Tú?
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Colombians, Cubans and the other Afro-Caribbeans. Este lugar de bien culo, de vera.
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I am all about the ass!!!
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There was an article in the “new york magazine” in 2005 that was about women who had bariatric surgery. Somehow it isn’t on the web now. Married women who were fat before they got married have a massive divorce rate after bariatric surgery. I worked with a guy that this happened to. Married women who got fat during the marriage have a much lower divorce rate after bariatric surgery.
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There’s a lot of anecdotal evidence out there, but was this what you’re referring to? http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2001/07/09/010709fa_fact_gawande
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It was a cover story:
http://doryferraro.com/news.html
They probably pulled the link at new york magazine because of this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1312609/Former-New-York-magazine-cover-girl-dead-gunshot-suicide.html
I think it was anecdotal evidence based on what the doctor in his patients.
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This is because baby weight and illness weight happen for entirely different reasons than eating disorder weight. The woman who married and then gained weight did so because of circumstances that were new and often temporary. She married her best option when she looked relatively optimal.
The woman with the eating disorder who was always fat and then got thin, punched below her potential, and wakes up when her options increase.
See, the thing about having prettier women is that they have higher expectations. This is true even in the utopias some of you think eastern Europe and Asia are.
I do get the idea though, that there is a “worth it” factor. For some of you, it’s worth the high cost of maintenance. I can respect that.
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Hey Nicole are you a Jimmy Cagney fan? Remeber the scene in “Public Enemy” where Jimmy is talking to a girl,and he says,”I wish you was a wishin well,so i could tie a bucket to ya and sink ya…’? Do you sense where I am going with this? Then Jimmy takes a grapefruit and…ha ha ha. Im dont know why you make me think of that scene…?
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I’m not as harmless as that girl. Thus, I am not as attractive. It is a tradeoff that, in cultures of girly men and mannish women, I am happy to accept, as it is beneficial to my survival. Bonus, manly men don’t seem to find me so challenging, and seldom hear my bitchy voice.
If James Cagney asked me if I have a drink in the house…well, he wouldn’t even have to ask. If he spent the night at my house, he’d wake up to his choice of hair of the dog, two aspirin, and a sausage pastry on a tray with a daisy in a mini vase.
…then his clothes neatly folded, as he’d obviously not done a good enough job the night before.
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Fucking epic.post. hall of fame. Thus should be a definitive post on the subject of American obesity. Manosphere and elsewhere. Bravo. Im buying your book the second its available.
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CH, I love your writing. This post also explains why white men tend to prefer Asian women. Asian women keep a slimmer figure throughout adulthood, even after childbearing. As an Asian guy, I used to think it was a complete fetish thing and white men enjoying the “submissive, mysterious” nature of Asian women but it might boil down to something more obvious.
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From what I can tell, it’s a particular type of white man who suffers from yellow fever. It’s either a) someone who’s spent a lot of time in Asia, b) an overly refined aesthete who spends twenty minutes adjusting a single lily in a vase just so, or c) an authoritarian military man.
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Nah man, it’s only computer science nerds with anime tentacle rape porn fetishes that are in to asian women. To the rest of us they look alien and are almost indistinguishablefrom asian men.
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Nope. Theyre beautiful and yes,I’ll say it,exotic. True,many of them look like monkeys,lol. But the beautiful ones are stunning.
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Been living in Asia for 16 years. Every time I go back to the USSA, I’m shocked at the…um… inflation rate. Lots of beautiful Asian women. It’s not yellow fever, it’s women that are femimine and attractive.
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Thank god, finally a comment from someone who lives in Asia and therefore knows what the fuck they’re talking about with respect to Asian women.
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I’ve dated a few Asian women over the last few years of perfect singledom. The closest I come to your classifications is c) an (delete adjective) military man.
Though they can be somewhate docile, depending on their upbringing and American socialization, that’s not what attracts me. It’s the desire to please their man, their sexual attitudes when behind closed doors (or in public many times), and their attractiveness level when compared to the trends found in American women.
And I don’t give a shit about their wall, they won’t last that long before I’m tired of them and have moved on.
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Remeber walking through Tokyo with a friend who’s head was swiveling right and left, who finally asked me, “How can you stand it?” “Stand what” I asked. “All these beautiful women walking around.” I looked around, looked around again, and said “All I see are a bunch of Japanese women.” “That’s what I’m talking about!” Asian women do absolutely zip-diddly for me. For most guys I know- they do a lot for. No accounting for taste. I’ve seen a few Asian-Caucasian mixes that are hot, particularly Korean-Caucasian. But pure Asian? No, not for me.
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I know a few white guys with Asian wives (I lived in Asia)…they didn’t care if she was a bitch or not that cute in the face. “Oh god, she’s thin! And she’ll be thin forever!”
Guys care a lot more about this than they let on.
However, I don’t much support White on Asian pairings. It makes White guys look beta, and it is sad when your kids look nothing like you. It’s kind of rude to Asian guys too, like White women dating Black guys.
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The take-home message is that if white chicks stopped getting fat, white guys wouldn’t be going after funny-looking Asian chicks.
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correct. it also should be noted that time is much kinder to asian women.
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Nawh, its that time is brutal to white women and white men.
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Black dont crack?
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Having lived in Asia, I find this statement to be a canard, mostly used by guys with yellow fever. Asian women hit the wall just as hard as other women, especially since (in their home countries) they tend to give up on trying to look cute after they have their kids (they’re still thin but they cut their hair short and wear really unflattering clothes).
Not to mention the huge amount of plastic surgery done there kind of skews the stats. Your kids won’t look like you, but they probably won’t even look like your Asian wife.
However, I will say that Caucasian women, especially those of the Nordic variety really need to follow the Asian model of sun avoidance. Time would be much kinder to White women if they followed proper skin care and used sunscreen.
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“Cut their hair short…” Go look at a YouTube clip of John & Yoko in their early days. They look incredibly young and Yoko just about veers on the precipice of being fuckable. Look at her in the later days:BLECH
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Oh god, she’s thin! And she’ll be thin forever
if they keep eating an asian diet, then yes for the most part.
but stuff an asian girl with shitty western food and she will balloon like all the others.
i live in a neighborhood with a large asian population and the thin asian girls are recent arrivals from asia. the girls who were born here in the states and raised on a typical american diet vary from thick to morbidly obese.
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They also tend to gain weight under the muscle, so they look like stuffed sauasages.
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“Oh god, she’s thin! And she’ll be thin forever!” ”
If she stays in Asia, maybe.
But American culture is toxic for asian chicks. Actually, it’s toxic for everybody, and I’m not only talking about fat:
http://tinyurl.com/6o72hgo
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Are you per chance white and mostly into white guys? You don’t like white+asian pairings because it gives the white men other (better) options.
So what if the guy looks beta, if he’s with a thin Asian he’s a lot better off than with a fat white girl. Even I recognize this and I’m as racist as they come. Tough luck for the Asian guys but it’s a dog eat dog world.
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I am white and married to a white man. I am personally against White/Asian pairings because I am against miscegenation in general. It’s not personal.
Reasonably attractive men and women don’t need to settle for consolation prizes, even if the pickings are slim.
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even if the pickings are slim
Nice play on words.
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I am against miscegenation in general
Clio may have been the first traditionalist chick on this blog, but she was still one foot deep in liberalism; you’re not.
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The problem is that reasonably attractive men outnumber reasonably attractive women by a wide (heh) margin. Personally, I’d rather have my fellow white man be happy with an Asian than miserable with a white blimpzilla.
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Miscegenation isn’t a problem with me. I don’t want to get married or have kids. Why would I want to ruin my life like that?
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+1 for self-extinction tendencies. More earth left for me.
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Obviously, then, you are against rishathra. There’s only one race- human, and we can all breed together. There are minor differences between racial groupings, mostly in melanin production. Though I don’t find non-caucasians attractive, that’s my taste. If others choose to do so, gene mixing improves the species overall. Narrow minded…..
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Harold
There is only one race-canine, and they can all breed together – timber wolves, coyotes, and tea cup poodles. (OK, with a very big tea cup poodle). They are all the same species with only minor and superficial differences. The smallness of their differences is proven by the fact that these canines can successfully cross-breed.
Modern humans have in the past successfully crossbred with Neanderthals
which proves they were the same as us.
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the thing is you can leave them with a 100 grand and they won’t rob you
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That’s pretty much it in most cases. There are some guys who truly have “yellow fever”, but most are just want a non-fattie and Asian girls are the main supply. Sadly, even this is beginning to change for US born Asian women as the American diet has become so bad that even they are getting fat.
20 years ago I rarely saw fat Asian girls.
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“A leading health academic has called for fat people to be ‘shamed and beat upon socially’ in order to halt the obesity crisis.”
This needs to be shouted from the rooftops. Instead your typical liberal solution to everything is “education.” It always fails! This follows from their blank statism in that they think then can place a belief on the blank slate by education, and that it will now be written on the mind, and the mind will now work on that belief. All wrong! They think that education can prevent teenage pregnancy. That education can stop drugs. That education can stop poverty. That education can stop obesity, and so on. Education never motivates behavior! What motivates behavior are biological needs, and then social stigma (which is itself a biological need). But liberals whine “oh no, it would be mean to stigmatize single mothers! Think how they would FEEL!” Lo and behold, the stigma is removed and single motherhood explodes.
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So men with white coats are encouraging you to push the shock button when the subject gets the answer wrong, and you do it.
…and you think you’re being revolutionary. LOL!
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A corollary:
“Soft drinks, candy, cookies, snack crackers, and ice cream are food items and are therefore eligible items.”
This comes from an article discussing food stamp use soaring, and stigma fading (by government design, by the way).
That pesky “stigma”!
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You know what the big secret is though? It’s not that hard to be thin. I am thin, and I know what I eat. I indulge in crap all the time. I have dessert almost every day, and it was uncommon for my husband and I to polish off an entire XL pizza after spending the night before drinking beer on the weekend. Of course, we hit the gym and in general are not gluttons, but the point is that the myth of thin women living at the gym and depriving themselves of everything is just that.
The amount of gluttony and sloth that it takes for someone to be overweight is staggering. You have to really try to become obese. It doesn’t just happen.
I can’t find it now, but there was a thread on Reddit (r/loseit) where people were honestly talking about how they ate when they were fat (before they lost weight) ……it consisted of multiple king sized candy bars a day…driving to both McDs AND Burger King for lunch. EVERY DAY. Eating entire pizzas every day. It’s hard work and expensive, man. No excuses.
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*not uncommon
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Sugar urges only last one day, but every day you take it your ability to resist temptations in general goes down forever.
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Nonsense. I was overweight and never ate that much.
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some people are blessed with the ability to eat a lot of junk and not put on weight easily, you happen to fall into that category.
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The large majority of the population has a difference in metabolic rate of about 200 calories, i.e. one cookie. If you compare someone in the 95th percentile of fast metabolism and someone in the 5th percentile, the difference is around 600 calories.
But IN GENERAL, there is not much difference in metabolic rates. However, there IS a difference in leptin, which allows some people to feel full much faster and eat less.
http://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people.html
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I don’t think you’re gonna convince many people that staying thin is easy for them if it’s not. I think they may know better than you what is easy for them.
I’ve never been overweight in my life, but shaming doesn’t work if the people you’re trying to shame think you’re full of shit.
Two subjects you’ve not touched on: how easily adipocytes store fat in different individuals, and compulsion to eat (completely different from how full you feel).
It grates on me when someone thinks the bad fortune of others is a sign of their bad character, and conversely that luck is equivalent to accomplishment. I’d like to hear a bald black obese clinically depressed schizophrenic multi amputee orphan female homosexual pedophile talking passionately about how we are the creators of our own fates etc. etc. That would be convincing. “I just eat too much, it’s that simple, and I choose not to trust in people, hence my paranoia, I enjoy frightening or confusing hallucinations, so won’t bother to invent meds that work, plus I am depressed due to the unshakable conclusions of my syllogistic reasoning which I engaged in with full awareness of the likely consequences, became black after I modified my genes with a homemade virus of my own making exactly as I always wanted, have an aversion to adults after a process of Pavlovian conditioning I put myself through, and chose to become a multi amputee in a war I started and volunteered in just to make the point that I don’t need my hands or legs to be awesome. Oh yeah, killed my own parents when I was five because I felt I needed to be more independent. Turns out I was right.”
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Excellent comment! Very much on the right track.
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Infantile comment! Flavia is right, it’s very, very easy to stay in decent shape IF you know what you’re doing. But few people know about paleo, IFing, nutrient partitioning etc.
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@Laconophile
I’m familiar with the paleo crowd. Do you have to act like you’re the only person who can see the outside world? Some might think you are somewhat sheltered in that you believe this sort of thing is a real revelation. Wow, you read something. Incredible.
The paleo diet movement isn’t even specifically about weight loss, you always had the Atkins diet for that, and at its height of popularity more than 10% of Americans were following it (the Atkins diet). Not exactly “few”.
Try to understand I’m not saying a change in diet and eating habits mightn’t be easy & effective for most people or even the vast majority of them if they were the kind of people for whom it were easy to take fringe theorists seriously as alternatives to received wisdom.
You may think so but you’re not the only one who thinks he could create an unbelievable utopia or at least make a lot of people happier if only, well, if only they weren’t like they are and stuff.
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“The amount of gluttony and sloth that it takes for someone to be overweight is staggering” – not so true if your metabolism is as slow as mine.
I merely have to look at a snickers bar for the thing to latch on to my stomach as though it was an alien babe that somehow missed my face. That being said: I am in rather good shape (a manly V-shape, that is), but I eat less than many people half my size and have to compensate for every spoon of nourishment with a chin-up, a clean and jerk or some other exercise.
I’m not complaining, for such are the realities of life, but don’t kid yourself: Unless you are the winner in the genetic lottery, living through 21st century consumerism AND staying in shape requires a lot of self discipline.
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lol at all the fatties making excuses
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Really? How old are you? To maintain 125-130 at 5’7″ I juice/salad during the day and eat a small meal for dinner. No junk food or snacks, ever. No white carbs. I occasionally (1-2 month) share a dessert when eating out. I never drink beer, but occasionally have wine with dinner. It isn’t easy, and it does get harder as we age, for both men and women. Admittedly genetics play a role. But the myth that you are inhaling pizza and beer and still maintaining a fit shape sounds unbelievable. I find it refreshing and motivating when thin women actually admit to the behaviors that yield a desirable body type. Most are eating a diet that looks nothing like yours.
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I only eat once a day on the weekdays, so that probably plays into account. I have a green juice in the morning and then a big lunch of whatever and a small dessert. Usually no dinner, no snacks- can’t be bothered….Never said indulgences were my main source of calories, but I definitely eat what I want on the weekends, usually once or twice a day, never three squares. I also work out and live in a fairly urban place where I can walk everywhere.
Youre skinner than me though, I was 121lbs at 5’4 before I got pregnant.
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If you only eat once a day on weekdays, and weigh more than 120 pounds, that disproves your absurd assertion that overweight people must eat king size chocolate bars and double fast food lunches every day.
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No. I am trying to dispel the notion that it’s somehow a huge ordeal to stay moderately thin, which it’s not. It’s not hard at all. I eat a very big meal once a day, not to deprive myself, but because I’m not a goddamn farmer out plowing fields that needs 3 squares. People eat too often.
Also, I am not referring to “not thin” average-ish people. but the overweight and obese. I stand by my assertion that becoming obese is a goddamn full time job of gluttony and sloth.
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Yeah, and being a shrike is a full time job of self righteousness and hypocrisy.
I’d rather stay bubbly if it was a choice between one or the other.
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Hey “Flavia”, you genius, you’re awfully picky about other people’s language but damn loose with your own. “Overweight” or “obese” — I’d be overweight at 170lbs and obese at double that — so which is it? It might be helpful to formulate a coherent thought before you go around “dispelling” my “notions”.
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No joke…I wasn’t overweight to begin with but when I quit drinking soda that was the easiest 10 pounds I ever lost.
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Easiest 180lbs I ever lost was dumping a left-wing feminazi back in college.
RAPE!
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Funny how femcunts bellow.”Women do NOT lie about rape!!”,while at the same time enjoying mightily the power to terrorize men with the possibilty of…lying about rape! I truly hate,hate,hate femcunts!!
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Wouldn’t dating a fat chick be a great way to buy above your purchasing power? If you’re only marginally attractive, you can just date/marry a fat chick, shame her into losing weight – which is apparently pretty easy – and end up with a much hotter babe than you could otherwise hope to get. If you’re alpha enough and can keep her in line by reminding her of her past heifferness, it should be easy to get her to stay with you once hot. It’s not something a strong alpha would do, but it seems like a pretty solid investment for lesser men. Perhaps the Chateau should discuss this strategy?
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Problem is unless you keep her locked up she will start to realize that she has become attractive. If you were alpha enough to deal with the new attention she is receiving I doubt there would be a need to enact such a strategy in the first place.
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I forgot to include a link to the story, which is here: http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/The-Circle-Bastiat/2011/0318/Swiping-away-food-stamps-stigma.
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You know, I wouldn’t care if it was healthy food they bought. People can genuinely fall on hard times (see the housing / real estate fraud by borrowers and bankers) through no direct cause of their own. My mom was on food stamps for a year while she got real work. My dad became a drunk and got killed in a car wreck. Suddenly she had to get a job and support two kids.
She got real work and raised us, without assistance.
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Shhh…We’re not allowed to talk about real life here. She was supposed to be poor and still optimize her SMV so she could get you a new dad from a higher socioeconomic class. 😉
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I agree with you, but unless food stamps and other social assistance programs are treated as temporary , it’s taking advantage of the taxpayer. People who stay on food stamps and other assistance for life is the result of laziness, unless someone is truly needy like the handicapped and the blind. All other people should get on their feet as soon as they can and wean themselves off social assistance programs, like your mom did. There is no honor in it. It’s for weak losers who have no pride and no self-respect. For some reason, most Blacks and Hispanics are never in a hurry to reject social assistance programs in favor of work. They think the white taxpayer owes them money. Unless Black leaders explain to them that they will never get ahead with this mentality, indeed they will always continue to be charity cases lacking self-respect and always behind whites. There is nothing greater than EARNING your own living. That’s why I believe every job is respectable compared to charity. If it puts food on your table, it should be valued.
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Women have more incentive than ever before to lose weight because so many of their competitors have eaten their way to the bottom of the sexual market hierarchy. It’s hard to believe how many of them forego exercise and embrace dessert when so much is at stake.
I had a coworker go from a 6 to an 8 in three months. She was mildly attractive to begin with, then she lost 10-15 pounds (she’s 5’1 so that’s substantial) and changed her hair style. That’s it: a $60 pair of running shoes and two hours a week of running was all it cost. Wisely, she cashed in and got married at 25.
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Just as much reason why men have incentive to learn game.
Let the haters hate.
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Most women still haven’t figured that out, though…
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Shaming didn’t take the “””racist””” put of me. I’m still white, after all, and everyone knows we’re “evil wacists” by default.
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It worked like a charm on most white Republicans. In fact, liberals are slightly more likely to tolerate wacist views than conservatives now.
http://www.volokh.com/2012/11/18/are-liberal-or-conservative-americans-more-likely-to-support-restrictions-on-racist-and-anti-religious-speech/
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Well, and us evil southern white types actually LIVE AND WORK WITH black people, as opposed that whole “I’m a yankee and can’t be racist, but don’t know a single person of color who’s not gay” SWPL thing.
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Now that you mention it… for some reason, a disproportionate number of Diverse males around here are queers. Hmm…
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My best friends are gay. My boss — the best boss I’ve ever had in my life — is black. And I am DEEP in the heart of Texas.
Way different than living in Chicago — dear GOD were the white people there bigoted as shit, and wouldn’t admit it for a heartbeat.
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Awww shucks! He likes negroes! Bless your heart dear.(Rolls eyes.)
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3/10 Come on, dude, you can troll better than THAT.
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When I worked in a steel mill in Pittsburgh long ago, my favorite foreman was black and he was not a racist. He worked hard and expected us to work hard. I did and never had a problem with him, nor he with me. If you didn’t do your job, you had a problem with him, regardless of race.
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I definitely believe it. Neo-cons are everywhere. Typically, it’s your WASPs adopting the 3rd world. At least the liberals don’t reproduce. I’m a Christian, but man… Do the evangelicals at the moment really irk me.
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That’s the best thing about living in Asia. You don’t have to deal with all the Christian bullshit.
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Please, evangelicals don’t adopt from the 3rd world. They preach having your own children because it’s one of God’s commandment to be fruitful and multiply. Stop trashing good Christians.
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Actually… they do adopt Third Worlders. They’re just as bad as liberals at doing so, with the only difference being that they usually have their own biological kids too.
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“They’re just as bad as liberals at doing so”
Please, don’t exaggerate. They don’t do it as much as the liberals. Some do, but most really try to have their own kids or adopt Whites. The ones that do adopt from the 3rd world are liberal evangelical. Believe it or not, they exist. They are a small group within evangelicals, but they do exist.
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Every group has deviants. Liberal evangelical are deviants form the norm of their larger group. It doesn’t mean that most evangelical are like them.
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A+
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Here in North County Coastal San Diego there are literally no fat people, except in the summer, when the Zonies show up drinking their 24os frappacinos.
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San Diego has a very high concentration of hotties , probly better than LA and less plastic.
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Brief summary: Me, 37… single, 3 children… still “date” 20-25 year old HB6-9’s on the regular. Had an email discussion regarding why I recently just dropped all my plates after new years in order to get some different things situated, set forth a new plan for things in order to make this year better than the next. I do this every year, REGARDLESS of how “quality” any of my plates are at that time.
Here is her (29 year old HB6.5 on a good day, just friends, banged her twice a few years ago..HB8 back then… Now JUST FRIENDS) response.
“Oh boy. Narcissism much?
I say these words out of love, because I sincerely care about you.
I don’t need you to change or be fixed or anything.
I don’t even need you to get defensive.
I’d just like you to hear me out.
First of all, the photo illustration you used of Sharon Stone (photo located in a post here at Le Chateau with “31 year old women” in the title) was disingenuous to say the least. You’re comparing an airbrushed studio shot of a young Sharon Stone with a raw paparazzi shot of her 10 years later. Um, not a great example.
Most importantly, what about your children…. especially your smart, beautiful daughter? It makes my heart hurt to think of her as one of these young women. Is that how you expect her to be treated when she gets older? You don’t want her to be treated like the princess she is, even once she starts to age out of youth? Your philosophy is basically saying that after the age of 30, women are quite useless and will suck the life and money out of ambitious, charming men, like yourself. Men should simply use the young ones and then let them fend for themselves, or maybe they will get lucky and snag a dumb guy that will “sacrifice” all that he has for the sake of his relationship. That’s a great outlook for your kids.
I fear that as you get older and become much less charming and attractive, your whole philosophy will come crumbling down and you will forced to PAY (financial sacrifices!) these young women to even sit next to you. You think 20 years olds blow old man dick for fun??
I think you like them for the exact reasons you say you don’t ❤
I don't know the history with your family. You've always just told me you have none. I just hope the same doesn't happen with your children, because in the end, they may be your only saving grace when you find yourself old and alone. You certainly won't have a women by your side at that point, unless you're paying her.
One more thing, women are genetically coded to be loving, nurturing creatures. That is the way we were designed by our Creator. You are abusing that beautiful gift we give and I don't want it to come back and bite you in the saggy, old man ass……………but I'm sure you'll be fine."
Hey, at least they are consistent, if nothing else, eh?
I have an IDEA of how I would like to respond to to her questions, especially in regards to my 3 year old daughter.. But would like some feedback.
I'd LOVE to just link her to a post/response by The Lords of Le Chateau..
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In regards to your daughter, you just make sure that she grows up with a good head on her shoulders, devoid of feminist philosophy and whorish tendencies. It’s already too late for the idiot 20-somethings you’re banging; they’re the ones that are letting themselves be used, they are victims, they’ve done it to themselves. Your little girl doesn’t have to be like that. Any girl who grows up with a good father and a healthy balance of self-respect and humility ought to be fine. As her father, it’s on YOU to raise her to be a decent, chaste woman capable of finding herself a good husband before she hits the wall (if that’s what she wants), or accepting the consequences of not capitalizing on her beauty/youth to those ends.
So… “I’m not going to raise my daughter to be whore”, perhaps? Or “I’m not going to raise my daughter to think she’s a princess to whom the world owes an alpha male”, more accurately?
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appropriate response:
‘ok’
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“do they still had the big farmers market on Thursdays?”
We used to live in the same town.
Best apples I ever had.
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have*
maybe “nah” would have been better.. “ok” almost sounds defensive, considering the context
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Just disregard her.
But why do women only assume that old players will be forever alone because hot 20 yos will only use them etc…
An old player without fame nor money might swim in a poontang ocean of fuckable 40-45 yo divorcees, spinsters and married women.
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What the fuck are “plates”??
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Ha ha. You’re not cool enough to know. Somebody needs to earn his “manosphere” card.
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Yes I AM cool! I know what plates are,like on Ed Sullivan. Cept its pussy!! Do you know Ed Sullivan?
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One more thing, women are genetically coded to be loving, nurturing creatures. That is the way we were designed by our Creator.
What’s wrong with that sentiment?
The whole idea of feminism, and of Frankfurt School nihilism more generally, is precisely to DIVORCE people from their true natures: To convince women to become dark, black-hearted, evil witches, who run off to the abortuaries to murder their babies, and to convince men to become soft, pansy-assed, euro-ph@ggot betas, who dutifully chant, “Oh Dear Leader, Senator Feinstein, please forbid me from owning an assault weapon!”
And the whole idea of the Dark Enlightenment is
A) To get back to the underlying Truths of Life [e.g. that women are supposed to be “loving, nurturing creatures”, and that men are supposed to be ready & willing to kill anyone who poses a threat to their families, to include any would-be “alpha” who thinks he’s free to cop a feel of your wife’s ass at the company Christmas party], and
B) To tell the Frankfurt School [and that certain Tribe of fiat-electron mongering mediterannean legalists who foisted the Frankfurt School upon us in the first place] to go phuck itself.
PS: I wouldn’t give up on this chick – she sounds like she’s got potential.
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“ok sike lol”
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Much like commenter Spankie, I dreaded my girlfriend into considerable weight loss (The word works like that now, deal with it). Beyond saving our relationship, I think that episode holds an important lesson for the implementation of fatty shaming. (My phone’s auto-correct didn’t recognize shaming as a word, almost surprising!) We can’t expect women, the general enforcers of cultural norms, to enforce a thin agenda; they have shown their preference for fat acceptance-as-sabotage. We can, however, use visable, pinnacle alphas as tools for spreading mass-dread. Imagine a sequel to twilight, where RPat leaves KStew for failing to lose the baby weight. Imagine The Jonas Brothers (or their current equivalent) vocally refusing to date, or even acknowledge, fatties. Imagine the harmonious flatulance of all that cognitive dissonance unraveling at once.
The difficulty lies in the fact that the media forces capable of this noble undertaking are those with the strongest interests in continuing their campaign of lies.
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Those are actually fantastic ideas.
Imagine, Bieber sings: “Chubs, I don’t want no chubs, chubs the kinda girl can’t get no love from me…”
More of that and less fatty Aguilara singing “you are… so beautiful (just the way you are)”
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confession: im a six one tall female who is a size 4/6 (27 inch waist, which looks much smaller on someone as tall as me)and i come here purely for the thinspo. sure there are lots more like me. i just wish you would be a bit nicer about how you think every woman who is older is so worthless, but whatever i guess.
[Heartiste: An older woman who has hit the wall may be sexually worthless, but that doesn’t mean she’s worthless altogether. Older women are responsible for raising the next generation and seeing them through to adulthood.]
im very happily married (thank god) 29 year old.
[29 is not old. Calm down. Now when you start getting close to 35…]
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Feminism causes fat. Everyone is at work all the time. No one is home to shop for real fresh food, let alone cook it every night. So everyone is eating out of a box/carbing it up. Usually men get away with this longer than women, but eventually the fat arrives on everyone unless and until they figure out how to cook (or, as often happens with women, develop an eating disorder).
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Wah! I WAS one of those fat bitches. Pregnancy. Gained 60-70 pounds EVERY TIME.
Yep.
Sorry haters.
Aaaaaand I took one look at myself in a mirror three months after spitting out the lastest JB junior, and then watched my husband walk out the door, 6’2 and 200 lbs, off to work with plenty of young, nubile ladies who would loooove to replace me, and guess what?
Hello, calorie counting app.
Fifteen years and three kids later, and I weigh two pounds more than when we met, and those two pounds are gonna die a sad, painful death if it fucking kills me.
It sounds trite, but I honestly, truly, deeply believe it’s true: marriage is mostly about sex. You need to find your partner HOT. Sex is what binds you. Sex is the glue that keeps it all together. There is pretty much no limit to what you will put up with when you want to get laid. Let me see: should I bitch him out about not sorting the recycling and risk losing out on that awesome O I have planned for later, or should I go ahead and be a cunt about cardboard and find some batteries?
No contest, folks. Fuck the cat food tins.
True story: BigMike’s wife just spit out LittleMike, and she is over 200 lbs AFTER giving birth. The look on his face. He’s horrified. Especially when she texted him to “bring me a bag of ripple chips”. Oh lord. Me and Mike’sWife need to have a chat.
The moral of this story is that women WILL gain shit tons of weight when there’s a bun in the oven. DON’T PANIC!
Give her some time, and encourage her thin friends to come over a lot.
She doesn’t have any thin friends?
Dude, your’re fucked.
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you my dear are a good egg.
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Yup. Mrs. Happycrow did too — as I said way up above, I’m proud of the fact that she’s DOING something about it. If she weren’t it would cost her respect….and respect-death is step one in the “marriage fucked up plan.”
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I think that’s part of it too, no? Like OF COURSE you prefer your wife to look as when you married her, but if you see her calorie counting and working her ass off at the gym you’re more likely to be patient with her, than if she were in her PJs eating pringles.
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A legit healthy pregnancy only requires 18-20 pounds of weight gain *including* the baby. The baby is 7-10 lbs of that at the end. This gaining of 60-70 lbs is bullshit fatass laziness that is actually unhealthy for the pregnancy. Most of these women are starting out overweight in the first place.
Kudos to the woman that lost her pregnancy weight, but most don’t. No need to gain that much weight.
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It’s actually 25-35 that’s needed, but I hear you.
Baby: 8 pounds
Placenta: 2-3 pounds
Amniotic fluid: 2-3 pounds
Breast tissue: 2-3 pounds
Blood supply: 4 pounds
Stored fat for delivery and breastfeeding: 5-9 pounds
Larger uterus: 2-5 pounds
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Yep. We already have a longstanding agreement. I don’t get a potbelly, she doesn’t cut her fantastic hair in “old lady giving up on life style.”
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Heh. Ours is, “You don’t get fat, I won’t go broke.”
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This one got the idea.
A man getting fat is acceptable if he is still wealthy. A man getting broke is out of the house.
Men want sex, females want cash.
Men who let their women become economical competitors are halfway to the divorce.
Economically independent wife + divorced feminist friends = imminent divorce.
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“Men who let their women become economical competitors are halfway to the divorce.”
That’s the key. Women shouldn’t be competitors, period. They need to accept the fact that they are secondary, but nevertheless an important half of the union. A wife is a complement/balance to her husband. Why aren’t women happy with that role? Because of feminist leaders who lead them astray telling them they need to match men on all levels. What is the latest “females in combat” all about, if not this? Running institutions is not about common sense or about what’s good for society and the country anymore, it’s about what feminist leaders say women want and have to get.
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Because of feminist leaders who lead them astray telling them they need to match men on all levels. What is the latest “females in combat” all about, if not this?
God in heaven, it looks like I’m going to have to repeat this from now until the cows come home: THE FRANKFURT SCHOOL IS ALWAYS LYING!!!
If you play by Marquess of Queensbury rules, and enter into any ostensible “argument” with the Frankfurt School – as though they were being sincere, and actually believed in the rhetoric du jour which they’re dishing out today – then you’ve lost the war before the first shot has even been fired.
Again: THE FRANKFURT SCHOOL IS ALWAYS LYING!!!
The purpose of today’s assault, called “Women in Combat”, is NOT to “empower” women.
Rather, the purpose of “Women in Combat” is TO DEMORALIZE MEN!!!.
C’mon people, wake up and smell the coffee – this is supposed to be a Dark Enlightenment.
Sheesh.
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“The purpose of today’s assault, called “Women in Combat”, is NOT to “empower” women. Rather, the purpose of “Women in Combat” is TO DEMORALIZE MEN!!!.”
Not necessarily true. However, to some radical feminists I am sure this is also true. I mean, we already know that some feminists want to make men obsolete, with the most radical feminist Maureen Dowd asking if men are even necessary. But to most feminists this is really about equalizing everything and the hell with whether this equalizing is good or bad for the institution and the country in general. As you know, most liberals are not great thinkers, and they don’t stop to think about the consequences of things that sound good on the face of it but are really very harmful to society. Thomas Sowell calls it “stage one thinking.”
Meanwhile, you are too deep-steeped in conspiracy theory lore, and you sound angry and crazy, like when you blame it all on the J. Not all J women are feminists, and not all feminists are J women. That’s a fact. What you spew is just an excuse to hate them, being the supposed religious God-fearing “good guy” you are. Ironic isn’t it? If you are truly good, you’ll stick to the truth without embellishing it to make it fit your narrative. Sorry, you’re full of shit. Get off blaming the imaginary “FRANKFURT SCHOOL” for all your unhappiness.
No question about it, communism is a failed system, but your alternative would have been Nazism and that’s nothing to celebrate either. Both systems are garbage because they reject Judeo-Christian values on which our Constitution is based, no less. Or maybe you hate the Constitution too because you believe it’s a “FRANKFURT SCHOOL” trick??? Most neo-N hate the Constitution because it’s a document with a conscience, and that’s why I am asking if it’s in your case too.
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The magic of dread.
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Kudos to you. Just curious, how long did it take to lose the weight post birth?
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Did it take very long to lose the weight? I am terrified of becoming overweight when pregnant. It’s tough though, you really do get so much hungrier, especially 2nd tri.
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Christian
Since you are a troll, the response you should get would be 2 9mm Makorovs to your hind-brain.
If you want a different response, that try coming up with a more interesting scam.
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According to that fat map, it appears that Memphis, Tennessee is the epicenter of American fatness.
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Heartiste, tonight I got a number close from an insanely hot blonde chick. It was my first real pickup success since I broke up with my ex.
The thing is, before I asked for her number, I heard her talking about her boyfriend with her friends. She was even on the phone with him some time before I made a move. Now, I made sure to go through all the phases, attraction, comfort, rapport. But when I got her number, she didn’t even bring up the boyfriend. I even grabbed her ass and dry humped her a little. Still no mention of the boyfriend.
Is Game really this powerful? Or is she just humoring me and soaking up the attention like whores do? Should I be wary that she didn’t boyfriend-block me or is it a sign that my game was tight?
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Obesity is due to Bent Elbow Disease
…. Never met a person who got fat with straight elbows !!
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Theodore Darymple, the British doctor who has studied the “underclass” close up, has this to say: “It’s not poverty that’s fattening.”.
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Bobby Dylan explained this all so clear, though many years ago…
“ah mamma, is this really the end, to be stuck inside of Mobile with Memphis Blues again!!
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I was once stuck inside of memphis with the Mobile blues.
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Not to make excuses for them, but I think one reason black chicks are fat is their hair. They hate to exercise because sweating makes their hair unmanagable. If I were a black chick, I’d get it cut real short. Just as black dudes look good bald, black chicks look okay with short hair.
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in addition, women need a safe place to run or power walk… Getting attacked or harrassed in public is one reason black females don’t exercise.
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Running from an attacker is not a good workout?
All joking aside, even going to a gym can be intimidating with all the sweat and grunting and whatnot. Now I don’t let it bother me. Although I could do most of the stuff at home with the right equipment, its motivating to be with other people working out. Lots of people form exercise groups. They run in packs. I know of one group of women who pooled money to have one trainer for their group.
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even going to a gym can be intimidating with all the sweat and grunting
if you’re not sweating and grunting during a workout, you’re not working out hard enough.
any gym that has a ‘no grunting’ policy (e.g. planet fitness) is a joke.
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There is such a thing as a ‘no grunting’ policy? LOL What will they think of next?
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@Frank Smith
Black women spend over $500 billion a year on fashion (with the majority of it going towards their hair). Any black women with even the slightest modicum of intelligence could find a way to look “good” (body *and* hair) for the approx. $20,000/year that they spend on appointments, etc.
@thwack
The same black women who “cower in fear” of black criminals during the day, have *no problem* with going to night clubs, churches and eventually making children with thugs of any stripe. When the number of obese and childless black women are even 1/10th of the number of obese black babymamas with jailbound fathers, your comment will make sense.
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The same can be said for white women. They may not spend all their money on hair products but they certainly pay top dollar for purses, perfume, makeup and pedicures (superficial beauty items ignoring their obese body). And theyre the first to complain that assholes in garage bands with drug problems are no good, but they end up leaving the club and bar with them just as often as black women. The problem doesn’t lie with race, it lies with society
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Yep, nothing like getting doused with gasoline and set on fire by a group of rednecks to encourage jogging.
My solution was to learn a martial art, spar with friends, always carry a weapon whether alone or not, and be crazier than the crazies.
Thank you equalitaaah.
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Give a single example of a black woman being doused with gasoline and set afire by “rednecks”in the US. One news report.
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That’s a shame, especially since great results can be achieved without super-sweaty steady state cardio workouts. Powerlifting + walking + eating well can do a lot.
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Listen to the POET. Dammit…
Your debuttante knows what you want; but someone else knows what you need.. Her name is candy or evette or margory.
May they never meet…
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Frank Smith
needs to have everything cut off of him and fed to starving pigs. If you can not like that sort of win- win situation. you do not deserve a sane horse.
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I don’t get it.
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> Since lower class women are fatter than upper class women, (smart ladies know what matters in the big picture)
Do they?
“Contrary to conventional wisdom, … the poor have never had a statistically significant higher prevalence of overweight status at any time in the last 35 years. Despite this empirical evidence, the view that the poor are less healthy in terms of excess accumulation of fat persists.”
paper http://ftp.iza.org/dp5366.pdf
and write-up at Overcoming Bias http://www.overcomingbias.com/2011/08/the-poor-are-not-fat.html
There’s nowhere to run.
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OK, turns out they do.
> Poor women had higher prevalence of overweight in all years, and
the severity measures amplify this difference. For example in 2003-06, the overweight prevalence for poor women is about 10 percent greater than for nonpoor women, while the overweight severity for poor women is 40 percent greater than for nonpoor women.
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The lower classes tend to be fatter than the upper classes. Given that the real wage in the US has diminished since 1970 or so when women en masse started entering the workforce, thus meaning we are all actually poorer then than we are now, it does tend to explain the proliferation of fat women. Since Great Depression 2.0 has it’s roots approximately around 2007-08, this point is also reflected in the increase in obesity over the last 9-ish years.
Hey, feminism causes fatness, their bleatings for fatty acceptance are nothing more than efforts to divert blame from themselves.
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This is a great country. Our poor people are fat.
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Our poor people are fat because fatty foods are cheaper than healthy food. Tax policies drive federal money into rural areas to grow shit that is unusable in it’s normal form for food. This makes other food cheaper, but it’s unhealthy and piles on pounds while giving tons of calories.
We started our own problem, fat acceptance is just making it worse.
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I’d say flat wages help cause fatness. Having to work longer hours (lower class / lower middle class especially) to try and attain the same level of prosperity is bad for your health. Fatty / sugary food (unhealthy in general) is cheaper than healthy food. Less time because of more work to make ends meet, means less time to prepare healthy meals.
These are all factors. Feminism doesn’t help much, especially with their fat acceptance cause. Still, the last 30 years has sucked for the lower classes in regards to prosperity. That has hurt healthy food buying and meals.
There’s a picture about child obesity, it has a hamburger (fatty) for $1.99 or $0.99, and a salad for $4.99.
I’ll blame income / investment tax policies for the last 30 years (as well, but not as a sole cause) driving wealth concentration. Also, food tax policies that help make unhealthy foods cheaper. You see it in other countries too, the larger gap typically signifies fatness, even in Europe. Fat acceptance earns a share as well.
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I think you’re on to something, Alex. But feminism is not just on the hook for promoting an attitude of “fat acceptance.” Feminism, in driving women to work outside the home, also has contributed to the obesity epidemic, at least according to Laura Wood at The Thinking Housewife. First of all, the ingredients for a nice healthy salad do not cost 4.99 when planned for, purchased and prepared by a loving housewife. But I suspect it’s not really the ingredients that make a fast-food burger or other processed food so pernicious. It’s just that there’s virtually zero mindfulness involved in preparing and consuming such food, while all those buttery and sugary baked goods that Mom used to make require, relatively, a great deal of lead time and effort to create, such that you are more aware of what you’re doing when you eat them. I have attained much success maintaining a svelte figure for my dear husband, and I found to my surprise that allowing myself all the homemade ice cream I wanted (we have an ice cream maker) but shunning all ready-made sweets actually led to positive results.
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A pound of beef will always be more expensive than a pound of lettuce. The expensive salad (which is a shitty choice anyways) is just a smart way to milk the “health conscious” customer out of more money. It’s the same scam that’s pulled with the organic food. And it’s not even the burger that gets you, it’s the fries and soda.
I’d venture to say another contributor to obesity is urban sprawl. Not only do you work long hours, you also commute another hour or two, which also makes you miserable.
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Wanted to say as a divorced guy how much truth there is in this post. Both my wife and I got fat after marriage. “Happy fat” people called it. I speculate that obesity, if it didn’t kill our attraction to each other, it helper our relationship wither and die.
I should have stood up for myself. I should have demanded she maintain herself such that I could maintain a physical attraction for her. Like every body else, I kind of bought into the idea I was being “shallow” if I wanted her to be sexy to me. So personally, I find “fat acceptance” pernicious.
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Hi, guys. I just have to state here that it’s at least partially your fault that your woman became fat.
If she’s really, truly in love with you she’s going to want to keep you happy. If she started getting fat after you got together, she either :
1. Didn’t love you enough to keep herself in shape for you
Or
2. Didn’t realize her looking good made you happy. (Women are usually told that as long as you treat your guy well, it doesn’t matter what you look like-so it’s not always obvious how much appearance matters).
If she was unhealthy before you got together, she either:
1. Wants to lose weight but finds it difficult (in this case, praise her and help her)
Or
2. Doesn’t care enough about herself to keep herself healthy/ Doesn’t realize how unhealthy she has become. You’ll probably want to stay away from her in this case, unless she seems open to change.
So guys, please think about all that before you settle down with her. Make sure you let her know how much her beauty means to you, and reward her for it.
Thanks for reading.
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TL;DR: no fat chicks
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I’m not sure why something that takes 30 seconds to read is too long, but I guess it’d be like TL;DR Don’t DATE a fat girl.
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It’s not worth the 30 seconds. I just stepped in to help.
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As long as the message gets across. Thanks, kind sir.
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Maintaining hand for the lazy man :
http://www.experienceproject.com/groups/Encourage-My-Girlfriend-To-Gain-Weight/2124
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There are exceptions. I got friend zoned last fall by a man in favor of a woman who is about five inches shorter, seventy pounds heavier, and twenty years older than me. She’s rather domineering, so I keep telling myself that he’s too intimidated by her to break it off.
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Count your blessings, that guy is quite possibly a fucking weirdo. Or you’re an utter trainwreck.
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I’m not a trainwreck. At least this rejection led me to find the manosphere blogs and swallow the women’s red pill.
He may be a trainwreck if this relationship continues. He’s the one that will have to bang the “BBW” with the leather face.
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That’s just your opinion my dear. In any case, good for you. Fuck him and his leather-faced hogzilla.
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nah, she just lets him plow her in the cornhole.
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or she lets him plow her in the cornhole.
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Maybe, his loss though.
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[…] Are you a Fucking Tub of Lard, Woman? Then Chances are Your Husband is Screwing around on You […]
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“Rare exceptions prove the rule.”
i hate this saying – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy
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http://isteve.blogspot.se/2006/09/exception-that-proves-rule.html
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“Lesson Number One
Men are repulsed by the sight and feel (and smell) of fat chicks. All further lessons flow from this basic premise.”
LOL! My dad is a prime example. He hates fat women. Can’t stand to look at them, but then again he’s no beta.
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“Lesson Number One
Men are repulsed by the sight and feel (and smell) of fat chicks. All further lessons flow from this basic premise.”
LOL!! My dad is a prime example. He hates fat women. Can’t stand to look at them, but then again he’s no beta.
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Thanks, sweetie. I knew I raised you right.
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🙂
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sorry I’m late.
Awhile ago there was a “panic-stricken-debate” in Washington DC about the farm bill/ dairy industry subsidy that was set to expire.
Fools lamented that if the subsidy ended the price of milk and related dairy products would go up by 20% (?) and there were TV news reports of families struggling to buy milk for the children.
That could have aided in the fight against obesity and saved a few bucks for the Federal Treasury but no, at the last minute just as the Congress was facing the fiscal cliff they managed a one year extension.
So rejoice in milk chocolate, pizza and my personal enemy “American Cheese”. We have only ourselves to blame.
Rock on Chateau, shame those fatties and fight the “Fattitude”!
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So? Let them bitch.
I’m not some HB8+ chased. In fact, my normal standards fit between “cute sans makeup” (a soft 7/facially-gifted 6) and “just attractive enough to avoid children pointing at you in the street” (a fit 5). However, one standard will never change, and I tks women this to their faces, “If I can’t lift you up, I’m not going to fuck you. If I can’t carry you, then we can’t date.” Interestingly enough, I don’t get assaulted anywhere near as much as you’d expect (even with the provisional alpha Fred that I have due to race, fitness and lack of couth.
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I married my ex, she was a curvy not fat at ~120lbs, she had huge boobs. A few years (and two kids) later, she had ballooned to 180lbs. She’s 5′ tall. I was no angel at 5’11” either, I had ballooned to 270lbs. There were two differences though:
1) I was in an accident that left me unable to walk (much less run like I used to, she never ran) and I was dumb enough to keep eating 3000 calories a day. My own stupidity got me fat.
2) I was properly ashamed of how I looked, and cut back my caloric intake, and hit the gym. I got back down to a proper 170lbs in 1.5 years of hard work and sweat.
Her? I offered to watch the kids (they were asleep when I hit the gym, but she was there for them) so she could hit the gym. I made healthy meals for all of us. She never went to the gym. She never stopped filling her mouth with unhealthy shit. Soda (diet), fluff, too big portions, and so on.
She hated me being around other women, especially if they were the proper weight and showed me anything that could be perceived as affection.
In the end I divorced the fat cow, and she’s still fat. Funny thing, I didn’t divorce her because of weight. Nope, lack of sex. She never wanted sex, probably required too much physical labor and acted like a jealous harpy all the time.
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“In the end I divorced the fat cow, and she’s still fat. Funny thing, I didn’t divorce her because of weight. Nope, lack of sex. She never wanted sex, probably required too much physical labor and acted like a jealous harpy all the time.”
She is a feminist fat witch bitch who thought she is entitled to keep you around as her husband without sex, and then she became jealous when you looked at other women. LOL! Some nerve. What was she thinking? Did she think it’s normal for a man to give up sex? I swear some of these stupid women think they are so entitled. They resent men for wanting sex.
Marriage=sex, end of subject. No sex, no relationship. Men and women have no other reason for getting together, otherwise. She deserved to be dumped. Goodbye and good riddance.
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Lack of sex = relationship killer. So many women either don’t get this (too fucking stupid) or don’t care (too fucking selfish). That’s why you have to always keep options. Always.
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Anyone paying attention to the Fat Acceptance movement will quickly realize that what those people want most of all is an excuse for their epic failure; not a road-map to a better place.
They seek the approval of a herd, not the Truth of how to make their existence more tolerable. And, yes, there is a difference.
The approving comments of a group of fellow fatties is quite a different thing than the sincere desire of a real-life guy to regularly bang and stay with a particular woman.
The sick, sick thing about this whole picture is that it is so effing obvious. Every commenter who says, “What if you are injected with huge amounts of lard against your will?” or such like is furthering a crime against nature.
When someone speaks a truth that can save a person, do not try to change the subject.
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You’re absolutely right about people wanting an excuse for their failure. I was one of them. I always said that my metabolism was too slow to allow me to eat what I wanted and not gain weight. The problem was that I wanted to eat junk. Then, I changed my eating and lifestyle habits. After some time had passed, my metabolism sped up! I was just using an excuse for my fatness.
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Remember reality TV show host/white trash Bristol Palin?
If her body is of the typical young unwed/single white mother, then most of them are not obese. Just a little chubby.
How horrible is the USA when young white unwed mothers are thinner than some white married women?
Don’t talk about SWPL Amazon-like white women who have size 0-2 bodies and looked like they were on the 2012 London Olympics. That’s wrong and disgusting.
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I believe laws cut down smoking, not shaming.
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There should be a law against fatties then.
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There should be a law against morons too, but I don’t see either happening in this life.
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If there was a law against morons you wouldn’t exist..
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I’ll need some aloe for that genius burn right there.
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actually there is a law against ” morons”
Darwin may not have called it a law against ” morons” but obviously stupid people or stupid animals usually do not have long lives ( How long would a ” moron” zebra survive if it is too stupid to run away from lions? ) they tend to die young, thus have lower chances of transmitting their stupid genes
but we humans have reversed the natural order of things
Almost everything in western super liberal society is aimed at saving the lives of stupid people
that is why when you buy a egg beater there are 12 pages of safety warning and one or two pages on how to use the product
the “good thinking” liberal nanny types who are in charge of everything are protecting the stupid people from themselves
and then the stupid people who have been saved can transmit their stupid genes , which in turn will help our society self destruct even faster
no matter if you believe in intelligent design or in the theory of evolution , you can not deny stupid animals die young, it is a kind of natural law against ” morons”
survival of the fittest is also death of the stupidest morons
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and for the herpes, right?
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Yup
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One can only hope.
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Not that I am pro-smoking, but let’s be accurate. There are no laws against smoking. Of course there are smoke-free areas, but the war on smoking was won by warning people and almost shaming them about health-related issues associated with smoking. Otherwise, more people would have been seriously resentful of nonsmoking areas in public. The population accepted it mostly because of the bad publicity smoking got. And don’t forget all the warning on cigarette packages and all the anti-smoking advertising for the last 20 years or so. I think the same thing should be done with overeating, and specifically obesity.
It used to be that mothers and grandmothers would shame their daughters and granddaughters about looking pretty, desirable and feminine if they wanted to catch a husband. Now, such thinking is considered passé. Women looking to catch a catch? No way. Today the thinking is, a woman doesn’t need a man. She doesn’t need him to support her, and she doesn’t need him to have children either. And society doesn’t look down on unmarried woman anymore. No shame. People have no shame looking like fat pigs or having kids out of wedlock. Hell, people have no shame about having sex videos either (Paris Hilton and Kim kardashian).
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The thing is, fat shame is already pretty massive and has been for a long time, yet obesity continues to rise. Fatness is not just a matter of eating too much for many of them. I have fat friends who don’t eat as much as me yet they are still overweight. That’s the problem with the idea that shaming fat people is going to make them thinner. It really is more complicated than this.
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If society makes it unacceptable to be fat, it will work for most of the population, unless one has a medical problem. But if one has medical problems they need to see a doctor anyway.
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It has been unacceptable to be fat for over 50 years, and yet there are more fat people than ever.
Obviously, shaming did not work. What would work is educating people about proper nutrition, and supporting businesses that provide for this need, and not supporting businesses that screw things up, and passing laws that would help the businesses you want to support, and getting rid of the laws that enable the businesses screwing us to do so.
It’s not as simple as attacking your neighbor’s daughter for having a cookie, but it’s more likely that someday that cookie would be made with almond flour and sweetened with stevia.
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Actually, you got this backwards; it has been acceptable to be fat for over 50 years because of feminism. Before feminism, women respected their man much more and no woman would be caught dead gaining weight for fear of not finding a husband or for fear he’d get a younger GF on the side. Now, men are getting shamed for being more turned on by a hot thin babe than they are by a fat cow.
Shaming works. Look at men. Most of them buy into the feminist bullshit, which is why they have erectile dysfunction at 50. A 50-year old man is still sexually viable, but with a fat cow wife his dick doesn’t work. Bring him a hot 20-year old and see his dick react.
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“What would work is educating people about proper nutrition, and supporting businesses that provide for this need, and not supporting businesses that screw things up, and passing laws that would help the businesses you want to support, and getting rid of the laws that enable the businesses screwing us to do so.”
Education works only up to a point (see all the smart kids that get bad grades in school), and passing more laws, OH GOD, NO. We don’t need more laws in this country. Losing weight or keeping trim should be a choice, not mandatory. That’s the only way people who make sure they look great, get rewarded for their good-choice making, while the ones that don’t, pay the consequences. It’s a commodity like everything else. If you get excellent grades, you might be able to go to an Ivy league institution – you get rewarded for your hard work in school. But if it was mandatory for everyone to get excellent grades, good grades wouldn’t be such a high commodity and Ivy League wouldn’t be so special anymore. See, now we’re back to not everyone is equal but everyone has a chance to pursue their dreams if the Left stays out of their way and stops mandating everything.
So everything in life should be a choice, but society as a whole should have a set of standards that we should all try to attain. One of those standards should be being thin. Society shouldn’t sugar coat, or tell people that being fat is OK and as desirable as being thin. If you read lefty publication, this is their new trend in recent years. It’s wrong. It’s lying to people.
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NL, apparently, you have been living under a rock or on another planet where all the models and actresses have to be over 200 lbs. to get a part. I don’t even know how to begin to approach what you’re saying except to say get out more or get your head out of your self pity.
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Nicole, as usual, I think you have a serious reading comprehension.
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I meant, you have a serious reading incomprehension.
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NL, you said that it has been acceptable to be fat for the past 50 years because of feminism. That is simply untrue. So you’re either ignorant of the origins and basic principles of feminism, or lying.
One of the things they tried to push the hardest in the past 50 years is that gender is a social construct, and that the ideal woman has no extra bodyfat. They even gave lectures and wrote essays about how women should strive to be more athletic and not worry about losing their fertility since we’re supposed to be rebelling against being “breeders”. They called normal weight and fat women oppressed.
In the 1980’s they even pathologized fatness to a higher degree than ever, claiming that if a woman was fat, it had to be because she was sexually abused in childhood. They recruited fat women to these crackpot therapy clinics where they were to recall (usually fake) repressed memories, and some accused their fathers and other families of molesting them. It had to have happened because the evidence is around their waistline right?
When that didn’t pan out, there were other waves of “fat people are mentally ill”.
So again, you are out of touch with the planet Earth where at least in western countries, fat people are considered freaks.
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Nicole, you must have been a victim then, if you think fat people are considered freaks. I mean how else could you speak such jabbering?
Fat has been accepted as on par with thin in recent years. Yes, while magazines show gorgeous hot women (although photoshopped, but nevertheless still hot), fat women have never been more accepted by leftists and feminists as normal. The only group that still will not accept fat women are men. Their biological juices just won’t allow them to comply with what doesn’t turn their dicks on. But rest assured, feminists are doing all they can to shame men’s dicks into getting turned on by fat women. If a man is seen with a hot young shapely thing he’s called shallow. If you haven’t heard that before, then you probably don’t live in the West.
A case in point about how fat has been accepted in pop culture, look at Adele. There was a time a pop artist like Adele would have been too embarrassed to perform in public until she lost weight. Today, she is celebrated precisely because she is fat. The lefties love women like her since to them because she is fat it means she has talent, implying that supposedly she didn’t get there by her looks alone. I think she is an awful singer and I hate her music. I say, if she weren’t fat, she wouldn’t be where she is today.
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NL, opera singers are often fat, as are a great many endurance swimmers. This doesn’t mean that fat is considered an acceptable or okay thing to be, just because it is tolerated in people who have other talents (and can either buy or kick your ass).
As I said before, I don’t catch much hell for being fat. It’s very rare for me, and usually it is because they can’t think of anything else to say that’s bad. However, I am aware of things that happen to people other than me.
Apparently I am the only one in this conversation who is.
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Nicole, I knew you would use opera singers as an example. As much as I love classical music which I have mentioned often enough here, opera singers are not part of pop culture and they are not the mainstream. And in fact, it’s desirable for opera singers to be big, husky, fat, and tall. Ask why? Because they perform on stage and they need to be seen and heard. That’s why most of them are huge – both the women and the men.
Swimmers are not fat, as in obese. What you see on them is extra padding because swimming tends to that to you if you spend so much of your time in the water. They are also incredibly muscular. I wouldn’t call swimmers fat.
Now to be fair, while fat is still not desirable and I don’t think it will ever be as desirable as thin, it’s also being silently encouraged by feminists, leftists, and other equalists. That’s all I was trying to get at. The fact that you see hot women on magazine covers doesn’t take away the fact that if you turn away a woman who is too fat for a job you will be shamed by liberal society. In fact, it’s being challenged as we speak in the courts. As it stands now, you’re allowed to discriminate solely based on looks, which is how a restaurant chain like Hooters can turn fat women down. But as you know, Hooters is constantly being sued by Activist fat cows who say they were turned down for a Hooters Girl job.
There is a reason why feminists make a point not to eat at Hooters. It’s not acting equal.
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Let’s see the tits, honey.
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Years ago I went to a health spa to decompress after a tough few months. I got chatting to a slim woman who was there with her overweight daughter. She glanced across the room at her daughter and sighed, “You have no idea the pain of a woman with an overweight daughter.”
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Only a thin man with a fat wive knows that feeling.
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A couple of simple things that people can try to get the weight down.
1) Do the first 2 weeks of the South Beach Diet. That’s where you eat no carbs. It’s a big like quitting cigarrettes – not fun and you are grumpy beyond belief after 2 PM but it works.
2) Intermittent fasting (IF). Do this AFTER #1 and preferably after you start lifting weights based around squats, deadlifts, and the one they do in the Olympics with short rest intervals never beyond 90 seconds. When you intermittently fast, 2 or 3 times a week you eat nothing until 3:30 PM and then eat whatever you want afterwards.
What these 2 things do is change your emotional relationship to food. I gave up IF for Christmas after getting up to 4 days a week because it was making me depressed and difficult for my family and friends. I told myself that I could eat whatever I wanted. The funny thing was, I didn’t want to eat that much more.
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It is so true that society women (wealthy status seekers who wear $15,000 watches with their jeans) are rarely overweight. My former gf said that at her daughter’s debutante ball (basically a $5000 per head dinner-dance party) only one of the 18 mothers was slightly overweight.
She herself (5′ 7″ and a 12x lb hardbody) and her friends were all in the 19-20 bmi range, which for me is just right. I’m a slender six-pack toting runner (and I don’t lift). Any girl I date has to weigh at least 25 lbs less than me and has to be serious about staying fit.
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One positive for in shape guys with a fatty. She makes a great addition to his set of weights
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test
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yea should definetly use your woman as an additional piece of gym equipment
but don’t do heavy weight low reps lighter weight higher reps better he he he
sex is guarranteed to make you lose weight
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my chick picked up another chick for me last night had a threesome
i asked why it was no big deal for that since that has always been a big problem in her life
she said she knows i wouldn’t get with that chick behind her back
asked me if i would i said no
but yea interesting i guess
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honesty works to get what you want out of life allthough it is hard to be sometimes
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As usual, very well-said, CH.
Out of all the people I talk to about it, Women, By-A-Mile, have the hardest time losing.
Three big problems they have viz. men:
*Women naturally have ~30% less muscle-mass than men.
*Before fatness, they starve themselves to stay thin, leading to a further-decreased muscle mass and metabolism, in the style of a “Yo-Yo Diet”-ed body.
*Their socially +/- “acceptable” fat-load (~22%+ for some) veers dangerously close to the tipping-point for metabolic-downregulation, regcell-overwhelm, and obesity-acceleration (yes, Fat Does Make You Fatter)
So the female fatties have EVEN LESS of an excuse.
They simply Can-F**king-NOT tolerate bad nutrition; compared to men, the difference isn’t even close.
They Must:
*Get to a gym, Lift Weights; even do GVT (very heavy weight, low reps) if they want to get really crazy
*Learn their God-Damned Calorie+Protein recs ASAP.
-Btw, it’s 10 calories/lb. of bodyweight/day and out of that, .5-1g protein/lb. of bodyweight/day;
(-for the few cool girls who read this blog. -You’re welcome.)
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I don’t know where you got your information but heavy weight/low rep for women is very bad advice
this will only make them build muscle mass , they will not only look big but they will weight more as muscle weighs more than fat for an equal volume
women should always do light weight/high reps , this burns a lot of calories and it makes muscle more firm , not bigger
unless the woman is into a sport/carreer that requires large muscles women should never do heavy weights/low reps
No I am not an expert but just grab any book on the topic you will see I am right
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I hear you and & don’t generally disagree. -Although there are few absolutes.
–The thinking behind the GVT, -which I did not adequately clarify up there^^^, was for a Short-Run, and just to get the muscle on them in the first place.
+For women, accidentally building too much muscle is like Larry King’s Scrotum accidentally winning the Indy 500 without benefit of a Saturn 5 Rocket and a set of Mickey Thompson racing-slicks.
It takes so much effort in the first place, and girls bulk so slowly compared to men, excesses are unlikely; -hence the initial over-correction to build it.
But Yes, otherwise you are correct; the typical high-rep, light-weight, ‘toning’ program is generally the right Long-Term for women once build+sculpt becomes unnecessary.
**Weight is generally not the issue. Excessive Under-supported Fat is. 1Ex: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbpxovG8cG1rd0tw8o1_1280.jpg
Most women over say ~26, especially Starvation-Dieted ones, don’t have Any muscle on them to hold shape & fill out the architecture.
Their structure goes: bones, organs, fat, skin.
The GVT would be switched off for toning once they’ve built it back out. The 3rd frame of that jpg ^^^ is generally where the girl should go back to the program you outline.
Note: As they get older, properly volumized muscle mass is actually one of the Few things that will help a woman stand the ravages of Aging; along with just the right amount of fat.
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if she does a couple thousand reps a day riding your cock she will lose the weight when combined with a tight regimen of cleaning your house taking out the trash and shoveling snow
my chick had a belly she wasent real proud of when i met her its gone
funny part is she took some shit from her mom for being to thin oe something yet the moms boyfriend kept saying how beautiful she was and was the best she ever looked
kept telling me i need to let her do whatever she wants or some shit cause she so beautiful
I’m like it dont work like that bro
hes like what ya gonna do if she wants to go back to her husband when he gets out jail he he he
im like well she can go back to him if she wants got free will
Hes like no way you love her or some shit you wouldn’t let her go
me yea i would
same dude who shares her mom with other dudes but yea acting like i’m gonna share her or some shit fuck that
i guess desperate times when ya got to share a bitch i ain’t gonna do it on permanent basis
i guess confidense does help some
i told her before that i could replace her in minutes
she told me i’m overconfident
couldn’t replace the amount i want to spend time specifically with her but could get another piece of ass anyway.
allright she ready gonna hit the club
she read got a tear in her eye cause of the couldn’t replace the amount i want to spend time specifically with her even though i could get another piece of ass
awww
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More chicks dig (violent) jerks:
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Classic song – Slick Rick/Morcheeba – Women Lose Weight
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O/T but Angela Merkel’s “conservatives” are joining the feminist bandwagon regarding a Stern Magazine’s female reporter claiming that the libertarian FDP’s new leader made a sexist remark to her last year saying “You can really fill a Dirndl”. The hatchet job comes a year after the remark was allegedly made, showing how feminists will just hold evidence against men to use in the future (most of us probably could never become President of the US because of what feminists have against us already)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/25/us-germany-politics-sexism-idUSBRE90O0W720130125
I always figured one ultimately couldn’t trust a hag like Merkel to protect men’s rights and to stop the feminist machine from infringing on male free speech.
At least the normally pro-feminist conservative http://www.bild.de is ridiculing the whole “scandal” saying men are allowed to say less and less because of political correctness in Germany.
and at least Merkel is on record slamming Condi Rice and her manboob boss George W Bush for lying about non-existent sex trafficking to Germany during the World Cup awhile back.
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This could qualify as On Topic because it shows that men are vilified for noticing when a woman is not fat, unless the “fill a dress” remark was meant to say the journalist was fat, which is doubtful in this case.
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Men are not vilified for noticing that a woman is fat. You’re just rightly called on your unattractive betatude when your herd mentality and femininity (goes hand in hand quite often) leads you to shriek about it.
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Sense. Try and make some.
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A book. Try and read one.
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Sandwich. Go and make me one.
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Sir. Yes sir. 😉
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wash your hands first
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The sink is in the kitchen, so of course I’d wash my hands.
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Nicole, the comment about the German political scandal was about the FDP politician (libertarian) telling a thin but busty journalist that she had a nice chest.
And about that feminist German woman (but I repeat myself) waiting until he was promoted before springing the “news” about his un-pc credentials.
And about manboob politicians in Germany (but I repeat myself) falling over themselves to call another man sexist.
And about Merkel proving that anti-feminist men like ourselves can simply never trust a woman in power. She will always side with feminism.
So there was no reason to get nasty and hurt as if I was some kind of bastard who doesn’t like a woman to have some weight on her. 😉
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Heartiste, did you see this? This woman is married, and proud of her figure.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/01/21/plus-size-model-holds-record-for-world-largest-hips/
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This got nothing to do with pickup or feminism, but I´m posting it anyway since i find it really fucking funny, and i like you guys:
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Here is some obvious research to back up what you say:
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A study conducted at the University of Granada has demonstrated that
men like female thinness more than women and they find female
overweight more unpleasant than women do.
In addition, the study revealed that women who are not comfortable
with their body perceive women with a “normal” body –i.e. women with a
healthy weight– as a threat. Specifically, when these women see a
“normal” body they experience feelings of displeasure and lack of
control, since they feel they have not any control on their own body
and cannot make it be as they want.
http://scienceblog.com/59338/men-like-skinny-women-more-than-women-do/
The article is a little confusing. Later it seems to say that men
prefer normal weight women to super-skinny models.
But again, this is obvious. If you want examples of the women that
men find most sexually attractive, look at Playboy, not Vogue.
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Lesson Number One
YES we are. Even having to talk to such a land whale is an offense, worse if you have to get closer than 5 feet. The islamic countries really had a good idea with their clothing rules for women. We could adapt sharia rules for women with BMI over 30.
Lesson Number Two
YES every single time. This does include a former sexy and slender girl to be replaced by a currently sexy and slender wife. Here I see the advantage of our system where we can dump them fatties, while in islamic countries you may take a second wife but have to keep the fat hagg around and even love her (sex wise) as often as the new one.
Lesson Number Three
In the early stages only. After a while he may prefer to proceed with Lessen Number Two.
Lesson Number Four
If you are a fat and ugly wife you sexual market value is 0.01! It does not matter what job you have or how much you earn. Unless you plan spending your vacation in kenia on a regular base; sex tourism for feminists IS an option nowadays after all.
Lesson Number Five
YES. If there is only substandard sex in both quantity and quality at home it is the natural solution to go find it elsewhere. Women who do not keep themsels sexual valuable should be made responsible for the divorce because of non-respect of their husbands needs and therefore have no right to any financial claims. The reality is different and that is a shame! A spit in the face of nature.
Lesson Number Six
If she does respect her partners needs for sex and good looking female companionship the chances are high he will respect her needs likewise.
Lesson Number Seven
The cure for these problems is a re-adjustment of society and law. In islamic countries there simply is no problem with patchwork families or single moms. I wonder why that is…
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o/t – “Does this man have any money?”
http://timworstall.com/2013/01/27/so-heres-a-dreadfully-sexist-question/
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OT
Feminist fathers have successful daughters
http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/13961/20130120/fathers-attitude-towards-females-shapes-womans-ambitions.htm
Mu conclusion is that sexist fathers’ daughters make better mothers. And that’s all that matters.
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“Feminist fathers”
I meant kitchenbitches.
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[…] En kommentar angående huruvida man skall skäma ut feta människor [källa]: […]
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A Rock-Hard display of one kind of realty based status is to be able to recreate this: … A several thousand acre, properly high-fenched in ranch right outside of Houston (or anywhere near Austin) where upon you raise exotic African big game animals. (The climate fits very niceley.)
There are more full grown African lions and Bengal Tigers on private land in Texas than in Africa, India, or anybodys lame ass zoo in N. America.
Just be careful where you try to land yur glidying toy.
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Here is a study that confirms that a woman’s attractiveness affects the erection — including the degree of angle of the erection — of her sexual partner. A man’s age also plays a role in the erection. Of course, the media, big pharma and women ignore the role female attractiveness plays.
[Warning: the graphic with the article is rather tasteless.]
http://www.lightlybraisedturnip.com/ugly-women-cause-ed/
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I think you’re right on with most of this post…except the last point. Shaming only works to a certain extent. There are studies upon studies suggesting that, in fact, shaming usually leads to dieting, and as we all know, 90 percent of diets do not work. That’s why you have all these women (and plenty of men) constantly yo-yoing with their weight and ultimately getting fatter in the end.
What works best is a society conducive to fitness in which the focus is not on that number on the scale (which is generally not the best indicator of health) but on eating healthy, vegetable-heavy meals and exercising at least one hour each day and ideally more. Access to refined carbs is way too easy as is technology (not to mention a societal setup based on cars and strip malls) that allows us to sit on our asses all day.
I know plenty about this having had an eating disorder (bulimia and binge eating…yes make all the fatty jokes you want, I can take it) for six years and then recovering and pursuing an education in nutrition and dietetics. I fat shamed myself all the time even though, prior to the ED, I wasn’t fat. I tried dieting and spiraled into one of those out-of-control patterns involving bingeing followed by severe food restriction….and as a result, gained 20 pounds. Once I stopped the constant self-shame and decided to ignore the damn scale, I was able to focus on eating lots of veggies and getting plenty of exercise through daily yoga and ballet. I have no idea what my weight is now as I have a strict policy of ignoring scales, but I’m wearing size 4 jeans so something worked.
Yes, it’s an anecdote, and no, I’m sure none of the readers here give a damn, but I’ve seen a lot in my time at eating disorder facilities and have realized that A TON of fat women have something very similar to binge eating disorder. It sounds counter-intuitive, but the second their weight is made fun of, they run for the comfort food. When they start focusing on establishing lifelong healthy eating/exercising habits instead of losing weight immediately, their weight naturally goes down on its own.
/rant over
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Damn CH, you even inspire me to lose weight and I’m at like 12% bf ~
Keep rockin it =]
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i guess pickup can be nasty girl drank quite a bit last night guess some dude tried to pick her up going to bathroom she asked are you my gregi greg he said no she hawkered up and spit in his face
she was crying in bathroom and shit he tried to be a white knight or whatever are you ok then was trying pickup
she had some chick sitting in bathroom with her while she cried
i guess i got a little mad about something
told me like 500 times she loved me and do you know how much i love you do you know i love you
guess he said he should spit in her face she said then i’ll get my gregi greg lol
telling dudes to move the fuck out my gregi gregs way when we were leaving club
was a funny night
surprized i didn’t get in a fight
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I’d really love to punch you…
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you and every other dude in my town he he he
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Haha, Pigs In Zen:
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fat dont kill marriages… I kill marriages
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OT: Russian parliament backs ban on ‘gay propaganda’
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/25/16700904-russian-parliament-backs-ban-on-gay-propaganda
Only one against the bill. 🙂
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And Putin at his “least popular” is far more popular than Obama at his highest… says something about how good socialism and communism really are for people.
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I might not like communism, but Putin is a great leader, and I have been a fan of his for a while. He takes no prisoners. We need someone as crude as him to knock some sense into people. Unlike western lefties, he doesn’t pander to anyone.
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How is modern Russia socialist/communist?
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It’s not, because they tried it and it obviously doesn’t work. Russia is far more conservative… to the point where they’re cracking down on homosexuality in their MSM.
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”Russia is far more conservative”
Exactly, and which is why even a communist totalitarian government couldn’t eradicate for 80 yaers.
On the other hand, in the US, conservatism is dying, which is why the Left is so successful. If we return to good old-fashion values there will be no Left eventually.
Nothing worse than homosexuality to destroy a culture. If gay marriage is legalized, kiss the US goodbye. It’s been going downhill for a while, but gay marriage will take it to a place from which there is no return.
That’s one of the main reasons I admire Putin. At least he is right on homosexuality, and he knows homosexuals employ propaganda to get what they want, something the majority of people in our country can’t seem to grasp since they have been brainwashed by liberals. Who would know how propaganda works better than former Soviets? If they tell you homosexuals are using propaganda to achieve their goals, you can bank on it. They do it in every Western country but people turn a blind eye.
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Any thoughts on the Boate Kiss fire where hundreds were killed in a crowded nighclub fire at 2:33AM?
I learned about the tragedy in bed with a 9 that I had met daygaming after dark (on the street around 6PM).
My first thought, not having been to Brazil so extrapolating from a British night club at that hour, was that the kind of women who would be in a disco at that ungodly hour wouldn’t have been anywhere near her quality but possibly full of themselves. Many of the men would be desperate or overly professional PUAs.
Horrible event. They did not deserve this.
But I wouldn’t have been there unless Brazil has a friendlier environment than most western or even Russian discos.
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Here’s a snapshot of the nightclub minutes before the 2AM fire and panic:
Would you be there? Too many men and not enough reason to be there?
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Yup… definite sausage party.
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it’s a simple fucking ratio:
if you take in 2500 calories, then only burn off 2000. 500 calories are stored as fat. rinse repeat for whatever amount of years you accumulated weight. if you spent 5-6 years getting fat, you ARE.NOT. going to lose it in 6-7 months.
ESPECIALLY if you continue to consume 2500 calories.
lastly- instead of eating 3 large meals a day, switch to 5-6 SMALLER meals per day. your metabolism ramps up in preparation for the next small meal 3-4 hours later. PLUS, after about a month or 2 your stomach acclomates to smaller portions and you get FULL FASTER.
i used to weigh 145 pounds on a 5’4″ frame. i was tubby as fuck. i dropped down to 130 by doing this and dropped from a 35″ to 31″ waist. don’t obsess over weight, progress is in the way your clothes fit.
if it comes in box or bag. DON’T.EAT.IT. cook your own fresh foods. processed foods are AWFUL. as we say down here, “eat close to the farm”.
of course all this requires *GASP* WORK. no pills, not shortcuts. but God knows Americans today can’t work for anything. So shut up and pay extra airfare.
and fat girls, alpha guys with game have ZERO interest in you. get yourself a beta/omega/dickless wonder.
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Fifteen whole pounds. Call me when you lose 70 more.
Alpha guys shag whoever they want, regardless of what you would view as an appropriate status object. The planet where any reasonably friendly, clean woman can’t find a dick is not named Earth. What dick does after depends on social concerns, if he has any, but before and during, alphas get around. Proportionally fewer may go for fatties, but that number is high enough that even we have to worry about how we dress and the company we keep.
There is a line between expressing your preferences and dislikes, and damning people to unrealistic fates based on your wishful thinking. The moment you cross the line of rationality, you smell like girl. Watch that.
It is more relevant to women who would keep them or consider them an appropriate long term partner. Generally, the guys with money and power consider a woman who is slim and has compatible manners and is either an asset to his goals or a good accessory to them who doesn’t impede them. So if a woman has the right stuff, but is fat, and wants that kind of guy, she needs to lose weight. If a woman wants to boost her betas ego (or show potentials that she is conscious of their ego needs) by looking like Ferrari even though he can only afford Toyota, then it is also a good idea to be slim.
An alpha though, is still going to shag her. He just won’t want people to know about it unless he is deviant and working that to his benefit.
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“an alpha though is still going to shag her”
A true Alpha with dozens of more attractive options?….um Highly unlikely, but whatever you wanna tell yourself.
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Petite, if alphas did not shag fat women, there would be none. First, take a step back and stop thinking in terms of what you think is your personal favorite kind of guy, and consider it more objectively. The alpha male is the one with the most power in a particular social unit, and the traits that facilitate that are usually a result of high circulating testosterone in combination with an aggressive and perhaps slightly antisocial psychology.
These guys really do not give a crap about what is healthier or what the magazines say is best. It’s about what makes their dick hard, and/or what is available to them, and as they gain experience (which they do younger than betas usually) it is about what gives them the most pleasure.
Some of these men shag other men. What makes you think some of them wouldn’t shag a woman who is moderately overweight, or even freakishly obese if that is his fetish.
Also bear something else in mind: men are not shallow, just more empirical. Women are shallow. A man can have a preference for a certain range and still be excited by and attracted to someone outside the boundaries. That will have limits, but within those hard limits, there is plenty wiggle room. Women are screwed up and can’t love someone they don’t respect a certain way or feel something like attachment to someone they don’t have from what to exploit. (Not all women, but a vast enough majority that I feel comfortable with that generalization.)
So please don’t project your shallowness onto men. Fat chicks get plenty of dick. What they don’t get as much of is social reinforcement because most people are sheep and alphas herding the sheep understand that they have to maintain a certain image.
Alphas shag everybody (sometimes even dudes).
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Eh..whatever you say Nicole. It has absolutely nothing to do with “my favourite kind of guy”. I know a lot of Alpha guys and NONE of them have ever shagged or found an obese women remotely attractive. I hate playing with words but “moderately overweight” is significantly different from obese. All the Alphas I know would find kim Kardashian “moderately overweight” and she is by no means gross fat but she IS chubby and that is their limit. I speak from personal experience of course but even objectively looking at it, apart from the fetishists (who are outliers) what would motivate the MAJORITY of Alpha men to date a grossly overweight girl when he can get fitter or skinnier girls lined up for sex as a natural or through gaming? Unless you disagree with the assertion that most men want hotter skinnier girls even if it is just to have sex with. It has absolutely nothing to do with what society has “imposed” on men. Even across cultures, you will be hardpressed to see a society where the majority consensus is preference for some morbidly fat shapeless multiple tummy folds having whale over a more slender option…..just does not happen no matter how much you will like to will it so. The true fetishists and outlier who would do it does not normalize it. Sure, some social and psychologically deviant Alphas like to have sex with dogs, farm animals, corpes and other disgusting animate or inanimate objects too….and your point is?
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You didn’t specify majority or consensus of preference in society and neither did I. You also didn’t differentiate between fat and ginormously obese. You were trying to say that no alpha would shag a fat chick if he has other options (which they all do), and I was simply informing you that you were wrong about that.
It is partly the not giving a damn that makes them alphas.
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5-6 smaller meals per day is not doable when you only get 1 hour lunch break in a 9 hour work day.
Also who has time to cook their own fresh foods when they’ve been slaving away 9 hours of their day at the office? After that grind, I just want to plop my ass down and play some fuckin vidya, maybe jack off to some barely legal cuties.
Also fresh foods are EXPENSIVE, and they go bad quick.
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@danny: Great comment. Perfect. And Good On Ya for that loss.
-The truth is always in the waist-measurement.
If you ate the way it sounds, I’d wager that weight lost was at least 80% fat, too.
Once you shred down, you should check out the 500 calorie version of Mark Rippetoe’s GOMAD. -Supposedly, Milk is one of the few things that adds mass as if it were steroids.
+I can’t add too much more than 500 calories extra/day when I’m bulking or I pick up fat.
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ht-
well i’m at 130 now, i have a swimmers build. i’m short and quick. krav makes me deadly. i could NEVER be a fatty pig fatty.
and i def don’t want to fuck a fat girl.
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I like the map
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yeeeahhh buuut…guys still cheat on their hot wives.
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“The people who lived longest were moderate drinkers, 1-3 drinks per day.” (tweet)
I that what they call ‘moderate drinking’? Three drinks per day is what I call moderate drinking… on weekends. If I did that everyday, I’d call that ‘alcoholic’ and I’d be a sluggish, hungover mess at work.
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OFF TOPIC (but not really): kind of just twiddling my thumbs at the office waiting for a new post Heartsy!
I visited a relationship blog I previously frequented in my bid to kill time. Today’s post was something along the lines of “stop comparing your relationship to other relationships”. The blog writer is pretty cool for the most part, encourages women to be feminine, non slutty, etc but is still very “girl power” oriented. The comments on the post were hilarious though and quickly shifted to something BESIDES the main point of the post.
The readers saw it as an opportunity to verbally affirm that they would stop comparing themselves to the “skinny” women their “jerk” boyfriends or husbands would check out while they were in public together. Though the writer meant comparisons in the sense of relationship happiness, they began making affirmations not compare themselves (all fat or as they term it ‘a bit overweight’ btw) to the skinnier younger attractive women their partners were staring at while they were on dates/public settings. These comments were followed by other posters commending them on their new found body love, acceptance and body confidence e.g. “Even though I am overweight, I will learn to love and accept myself and not feel bad when I see my husband staring at a hot woman” “you go girl! love your body girlfriend” “confidence is the most attractive thing girl!” lol….Anyway since injesting the red pill, all I could do was laugh and posted something along the lines of ” I understand you can’t do anything about your age, but don’t you think you should maybe hit the gym and slim down?”…of course I got attacked lol.
Sometimes I shake my head as my fellow womenfolk.
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Losing limbs due to fatness
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In another part of the world:
disclaimer: I’m not claiming the the fatties are eating her food.
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After a few more years of nigger Obongo,this will be Iowa!
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“i would give anything to weight like you do right now”
Yeah, except…
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Don’t miss minute 14
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Poverty and fatness
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Cougar suing match.com for matching her to a violent killer.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2013/01/25/nr-hostin-match-com-lawsuit.cnn#/video/us/2013/01/25/nr-hostin-match-com-lawsuit.cnn
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Women are notorious for making poor choices.
They often pick bad boys and then they complain he treats her badly.
In my corner of the world a study has demonstrated that at least 50% of women who leave a violent man end up in a relationship with…you guessed it, another violent man!!!
it means that those women are attracted to such men, nothing else can explain why she leaves one to find another one who is just as violent.
Women are attracted to bad boys who are selfish, inconsiderate, have no conscience, treat women like shit and are violent
Those women have only themselves to blame
they lift their nose on nice men, they prefer bad boys who end up treating them like shit
No one put a gun to their head ( no pun intended ),
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A slut is better created than found. — the Prophet Heartiste 3 hours ago
””””’
why i get whores they come with business savy
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Her is my conspiratorial take on this.
Why are the US government happy to sit and look while this is happening? Well, obviously, it’s because they don’t give a shit about you guys.
Fat people have fewer children and drain public hospital funds.
http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/news/20071211/obesity-linked-to-infertility-in-women
They are also a great excuse to eventually claim that shit has gone out of control, and we need to start carbon dioxide rationing to save everybody.
This of course, goes perfectly with the first commandment of the Georgia Guidestones
“Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones
In northern Europe, a propaganda push has been initiated to create support for having a carbon dioxide tax on meat. Just regular meat.
I really hate this bastards. Not the fatties, they are victims (who need to be shamed and scorned), but rather the ones who created the Georgia Guidestones. They need something more physical.
Heartiste, i would be really careful about undergoing any GMO treatment or taking any drugs who would “help” me or make me more “fit”, considering the horrific truth about the people who control those industries.
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Fat shaming on steroids?
Just show this:
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omfg
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I often hear women complain that it’s not fair that other women are prettier than they are and get all the advantages of that. News flash: “Pretty” isn’t something you’re born with: it’s something you do. If you want men to think you’re pretty, do three things: 1. maintain a reasonable weight; 2. grow your hair long and keep it nice; 3. dress attractively (not slutty, but definitely not sweat pants and baggy flannel shirts). That may not make you a national beuty contest winner, but it will almost always put you into the “pretty” category. (Just like, going to college will not necessariliy make you a millionaire, but it will usually result in you having an above-average income.) Is losing weight easy? No. But you know how to do it: eat less and exercise more. It may not be easy, but it’s simple.
[Heartiste: This advice is all fine and well, but in fact women *are* born with or without a pretty face. Makeup can add improvements, but it can’t make ugly disappear.]
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[…] There was an article in the “new york magazine” in 2005 that was about women who had bariatric surgery. Somehow it isn’t on the web now. Married women who were fat before they got married have a massive divorce rate after bariatric surgery. I worked with a guy that this happened to. Married women who got fat during the marriage have a much lower divorce rate after bariatric surgery. [källa] […]
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That is because they now have access to the cock carousel. That is like when a kid can can reach the cookie jar after years of someone telling them no. Think they will be able to control and regulate the attention/cookie? Then they get that mindset that they deserve the cock carousel and to hell with her beta husband and betalings… More reason not to date low value women.
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[…] I can’t find it now, but there was a thread on Reddit (r/loseit) where people were honestly talking about how they ate when they were fat (before they lost weight) ……it consisted of multiple king sized candy bars a day…driving to both McDs AND Burger King for lunch. EVERY DAY. Eating entire pizzas every day. It’s hard work and expensive, man. No excuses. [källa] […]
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Since what number in the Looks Scale guys begin to talk(positively) about a Girl’s appearance? what number a girl should be to get guys interested in her purely by her looks?
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no post tear falls
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If it weren’t for the tweets, I’d think he was trapped under a bookcase again. Such a hard-working man: we must let him have a day of rest now and then 🙂
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days of rest can help my back still hurts though
trapped under a bookcase what did ya do to him
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Moi? Why, not a thing. I told him there wasn’t a secret passageway behind it, but did he listen? No. Just kept muttering collaries and maxims and looking for secret levers. So, I went up to do a little sunbathing by the west turret and when I came down he was nowhere to be found! I suspect he’s with the scullery maid.
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the woman who does the cleaning will get the dick every time he he he
speaking of i’ll prob get mine chopped and stuffed for talking with a chick with a pic oh well
my chick still doesn’t get that everything on here is perfectly innocent
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got my dick sucked by a chick she picked up couple days ago but she still scared of me getting with another chick
the fuck lol
i guess its good not sure
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woman don’t seem to care about ya fucking another chick well ok they do care about that but don’t want no emotional connection that seems to be the true fear
all these guys worried bout cheating
cheating is not the problem
they seem to be only worried about you leaving and lieing about cheating
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i guess them wanting to control something really
you went lighthearted i went serious
it does freak me out a bit to have gone so fucking far off the beaten path
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There’s always a new horizon.
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Here we go again. Ch venting at best. At worst advocating a crueler world that would do way mlre harm than sheltering fewer fatties. Be careful what you wish for.
His argume t wwith jayman iscircular. The pre 70,s working class is slender and is now fat despite no change in their impulsiveness or future orientation. Their moral fiber is the same. So what changed. My guess is some factor in the environment that had a disparate impact on tne working class as opposed to swpls that has not been detected thus far. Perhaps the swpl penchant for organic food? Preposterous maybe. But the same was said for the germ theory.
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I’m just gonna leave this one here:
http://everydayfeminism.com/2013/01/how-to-date-a-fat-girl-2/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EverydayFeminism+%28Everyday+Feminism%29
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“Be aware that sizeism is completely real, and don’t invalidate her experiences.”
sizeism
sizeism
yeah
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all i know is my thin chick is cleaning the fuck out of my house today
guess my game works on any chick that falls into my clutches
mua mua hahahahahaha
i’m gonna need to get in better shape though or something she wore me the fuck out lol
glad she is getting rid of some excess energy
says after her shower she gonna wear the pink little jeans i got her
glad i got plenty of relaxation today
we go to a chinese resteraunt with chicks who speak chinese and they be like god dam the way my chick treats me all smiles and speaking chinese and watching us
fed at the table and such you know the routine
some dude said get a room as he was walkin away i took it as a compliment
he was sitting across from his ugly fat chick at a booth and i understood why
felt bad for him
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[…] touched on this topic briefly before so I absolutely had to reblog Fat Kills… Marriages Dead from Chateau […]
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I almost threw up in horror when I accidentally bumped into and witnessed my hand slowly sinking into a layer of pudge from this whale on the dance floor. I’ve never been more repulsed in my life and was in total disgust and compare the level of repulsiveness to unhygienic feminine orders emanating from certain cooches. I rather be a celebrate monk instead of ever having to sleep with any of these monstrosities.
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You guys remember the Swedish feminists who produced this beauty?
We now can proudly present this fine feminist installment from Sweden:
The feminist voice is listing the names of known anti-feminist pro-equalist advocates in Sweden (no, not even MRMs), sprinkled with the names of the Norwegian mass-killer and the name of the Swedish prime minister.
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[…] has been on fire lately. I am in particular drawn to a conclusion of a recent post of […]
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[…] Fat kills marriage. (No kidding?) Related: Shame […]
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Fatness, or rather the predeliction for it is genetic, one thing the CDC doesn’t touch on is demographics, but the expanding… groups in America tend to be its newer arrivals.
That absolutely doesn’t mean that nothing can be done, or that being fat isn’t a tremendous drag on you that only gets worse as you get older however.
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Deep inside every woman knows no man would choose a fattie over an athletic girl with a tight body.. So they just look for ways to rationalize their fattiness.
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[…] Fat Kills..Marriages Dead […]
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[…] There was an article in the “new york magazine” in 2005 that was about women who had bariatric surgery. Somehow it isn’t on the web now. Married women who were fat before they got married have a massive divorce rate after bariatric surgery. I worked with a guy that this happened to. Married women who got fat during the marriage have a much lower divorce rate after bariatric surgery.[källa] […]
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[…] can’t get mad at. Yet the girl game she teaches is similar to the things that JudgyBitch and CH tell women to do, but no one can accuse her of being […]
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