Match.com is conducting its third annual survey on singles’ views and lifestyles, but this time they’ve included married people in their survey pool. The survey results will be released in a week. In the meantime, there is a video posted at the Match.com blog which has a sampling of the questions that were asked of respondents, and predictions by staff and randoms. Watch the vid and make your own predictions for how people responded to the survey questions. I’ve included my predictions below (based not on survey data but on personal experience socializing with both single and married friends and acquaintances, and on my talent for reading between the pretty lies people say in polite company).
CH predictions for how men and women, singles and married people, responded to survey questions
“What’s the number one feature both men and women judge most on the first date?”
Men: Kindness.
Women: Confidence. (Or some similar variant thereof.)
(This question is interesting, because they are asking what people *judge*, not what people *check out*. Men judge women’s bodies and faces the most, but that judgment occurs before the first date, when the man first sees the woman. A first date usually means the man has deemed the woman’s body acceptable, so he is free to judge other things about her. Kindness happens to be that specific female trait that men value because it is a signal that she will be open to sex in the near future.)
“Who goes out more, singles or married people?”
Single men: Singles.
Single women: Married people.
Married men: Married people.
Married women: Singles.
“Who thinks about sex more, singles or married people?”
Single men: Singles.
Single women: Singles.
Married men: Married people.
Married women: Singles.
“What percent of single women would never date someone shorter?”
Men: 75% (average of answers).
Women: 40% (average of answers).
“How many times has the average single been in love?”
Single men: 1.5 times. (average)
Single women: 2.5 times. (average)
“Who does more pre-date “research” on Facebook, single men or women?”
Single men: Women.
Single women: Women.
“Who are singles less likely to friend on Facebook, their boss or an ex?”
Men: Boss.
Women: Boss.
“Who fantasizes more about co-workers, single women or men?”
Men: Single men.
Women: Single women.
“What do married people miss the most about single life?”
Married men: Freedom.
Married women: Excitement.
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The usual caveat to take self-reporting surveys, especially answers from women, with a flat of salt applies. Remember, what women think and what their vaginas actually compel them to feel are two totally separate things. Nevertheless, it’s interesting in its own right to read how people perceive others conduct their love lives, or even how they perceive themselves in the conduct of their own love lives. Perceptions are the tuneful melodies people hum over the jackhammer rhythms of reality to soften the cacophony.
What are some ways a woman can show that she is kind on a first date?
Saying “thank you” to bartenders/waitresses?
or should she give anecdotal evidence?
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Swallows
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Threadwinner.
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Kindness in a woman is hard to miss. I don’t know if it’s hard to fake. I doubt that’s been tried.
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Most women are kind at the beginning of a relationship
it is in part politeness and in part intentional deception
the only way to know if she is really kind in everyday life is to get involved in a relationship for at least a few weeks or months
Usually after two months ( in my experience ) if she is a bad tempered ingrate nagging manipulative bitch ( as most good looking women are in my experience ) , she will not be able to hide it anymore
Me? I am the same after 2 months or after 2 years as I was on the first date, just kind/nice enough where it counts, and just enough of a bad boy in bed. A mix of alpha and beta…
but very few woman are the same once they get comfortable and think you are in love with them
( or as is often the case, once you are addicted to her good looks and the good sex…)
yes once she has you addicted to her, the sweetness of the early days is quickly replaced with ugly bitchiness that can drive you so insane you will want to pull out your hair!!!
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Excellent post.
Younger readers at the Chateau – take note.
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why you need to fuck other chicks or make her get you one maybe theory of mine if she knows not thinks you can have another chick it will keep her on hertoes
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lol in the commandments of poon he he he
and it works
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Alllllll of this stuff you just said.
There are a handful of girls I’d’ve settled with if they had stayed the same at 6 months in as they were at 1 month in lol
Soon as they know they have you locked in, the facade comes down…so don’t get locked in. Have other options and learn how to Soft/Hard Next properly.
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Yes, this.
In B.M. (before marriage), it got to the point where at precisely six weeks into a new relationship I would be lazily checking my watch (think Gene Wilder in Willy Wonka), waiting for a glimpse of the real identity of the Great and Powerful Poon. That identity was, at various times, a borderline personality, an alcoholic, a raging bitch, or a proud owner of a closet full of daddy issues.
Then I met a girl who *didn’t* change. Ever.
Ring, meet finger. She’s still the best.
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LOL! I Love it. 🙂
That makes about 3 happily married men here – you, Tyrone, and HappyCrow. All say the girls they married couldn’t be replaced because of how they behave and what they provide as wives. Your experience could help women learn what attracts a man after the girl passed the looks test.
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Oh, and I forgot to add yaser. He seems content to be married too.
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Puts down Obama and feminism.
Says she volunteers for pro-life or pre-mature babies charities.
Doesn’t say she works for breast cancer bullshit or domestic shelters.
Comes off as a sweet Mary Pickford/virginal girl from 80’s movie. Smiles genuinely/caringly/motherly at awkwardness, not sarcastically/ironically.
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True enough. A kind woman will know that 2 out of 3 men are conservative and not put herself up against the odds unless she’s a bitch or the male is liberal and shown her it’s OK to be one too.
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Also she thanks you for opening the door for her and doesn’t make you feel awkward over your innate manliness, and she thanks you for dinner and doesn’t act entitled.
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Just a good woman.
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Just listen to her talk about other people.
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Ancedotal evidence?? It’s a date not an Obama speech.
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When you ask women what other people think, they tell you what their own twat thinks. Give them a few minutes to think about it, and their twat will try to guess what their friends’ twats think, and start agreeing with that — and then tell you what their twat now thinks.
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Hahahaha so true
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Brilliant!
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It’s the hivemind, almost as strong as the hamster.
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See, I’ve recently been evangelizing my friends who have been striking out with not just attempted hookups but long-term girlfriends. Women cannot be trusted to give accurate and accountable answers about what they desire: at least not verbally.
Worse yet, asking your friend who’s a guy that has been picking up girls since he was 12 is hardly helpful either. He’s an alpha. Listening to him explain women is like listening to Billy Conn try to explain boxing. “Well, what you do is you move and you kind of put this here and wait for that guy to go there, and then you kind of do this.” They’re perfectly built machines. They didn’t come with instruction manuals, and even if they did, they wouldn’t read them. They’re natural-born alphas.
The only people who have a realistic idea of what women really want and do are the ones who actually bothered to observe and experiment. Literally the only people who can tell you with honesty and specificity what a women wants, paradoxically, are the men familiar with Game. It’s the inbetweens and the betas and the handful of self-aware alphas that bothered to pay attention to behavior and come up with the models.
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Yep. We gain conscious competence while most Naturals have unconscious competence. There are downsides to it (over-thinking during an interaction, paralysis by analysis etc) but in terms of explaining Game it’s useful to have it.
I sometimes get Natural buddies who don’t know I’m a PUA to explain their Game to me, just to see what’s going on in their heads, and it’s funny to me because they’ll summarize PUA Game but filtered through their own personal experience so sometimes they’ll have these seemingly totally random really strong beliefs like “dude if she has blue eyes, she’ll suck your dick in the bathroom, trust me every time I meet a girl with blue eyes she ends up sucking my dick in the bathroom” and they’re 100% intense and sincere about it like they’re sharing the secret of life with you lol
And on the flip side, they’ll be completely oblivious to Game concepts that they haven’t directly had experience with. So they’ll get laid like crazy but never get repeat business or girls will hate them because they have no concept of managing Buyer’s Remorse or disabling ASD so the girl feels good about the experience. Or they’ll approach 20 women in a night without realizing that if they changed their approach slightly they would be able to just approach 3 or 4 women and get the same results. Or they’ll have girls totally into them but still amazingly hold onto the social conditioning belief that they have to go on a dinner/movie date before banging. They just haven’t run into negative enough consequences for these things so they haven’t had to figure them out or correct them.
PUA is a combination of tens of thousands of men’s experiences in all categories, so while my best Natural buddy gets laid more than I do, I have a much wider understanding of what’s going on and can break down exactly what’s going on in our interactions with chicks.
Also because I have a wider understanding of social dynamics in general, I’m able to take girls off a lot of average Naturals because their skill-set is usually based around social proof and zero’ing in on a girl, whereas I know how to work the group or how to isolate and how fast I can get away with escalating and how to diffuse and turn around AMOG’ing etc.
Basically even though learning it was a bitch and being too aware can have its drawbacks, overall my skillset is more efficient and versatile that most of my Natural buddies. 🙂
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You know what I always have on my mind?
RAPE!
Ironically, so do feminists. And non-feminists. The former because they’re terrified of penis, and are ashamed that rape fantasy turns them on. The latter because they are terrified of penis, and are quite ok with rape fantasies turning them on.
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In conclusion, bitches fear the peepee. Especially the white one.
Rape!
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You had me at HELL NO! – Rapists.
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Surprise sex bitch!
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The most popular romance novels, the ones tens of millions of women love to read from 50 shades of grey to the tamer Arlequins, ALL have the main character – an alpha man – take the woman by force or borderline rape her or abuse her sexually.
Feminists are full of shit; rape/being abused sexually is the MOST common fantasy among women ( rape by a man the woman finds attractive of course, but still rape)
I am not saying it is ok to rape women, quite the opposite, my point is that women are really messed up in the head and utterly dishonest.
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Women need to be told what they want. Which is, ironically, exactly what they want.
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Yes. We like getting orders because they’re easy to follow and spare us the trouble of having to think.
[Heartiste: There’s a skullfuck joke in here somewhere.]
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Wow – Kate with the full facial photo?
Kiss your anonymity goodbye…
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I’ve had them up before. Why, does anybody care who I am?
[Heartiste: This penis isn’t gonna fap itself! I keed I keed. Fapping is so… 2011.]
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Don’t hurt yourself, my dear. Look what happened to Milton!
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As usual, whorefinder delivers the goods. In this case, pictures of a female heartiste fan.
Your welcome.
RAPE!
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This picture was for Stingray’s- stop getting so excited. I’ve had various pictures up for a year! Nice to know how much of an impact they’ve had 🙂 i.e. None lol
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Oh, stop.
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Kate,
my truth in jest comment was about this,
… Yes. We like getting orders because they’re easy to follow and spare us the trouble of having to think….
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It’s called plausible deniability.
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Kate,
There is truth in jest…
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You like surprises?
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@Canadian Friend: I’m sorry, I don’t follow. That blonde is my natural hair color.
@Obstinance: Why. Did you bring me a present?!!!
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Yeah come and get it.
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Women want you to figure out what they want to do, and then make them do it. That’s what women want.
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You’ve learned well, young paduan.
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Nice.
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Yet they will keep denying that is what they want
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Anger issues?
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lol. I am the jolliest rapist around.
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Whorefinder i didn’t know you where in blazing saddles LULULZ
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I’m so good, dude took lessons from me on how to act.
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And rape.
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I’ve talked to women who admit that they can’t bring themselves to honestly self-report about these things even when it’s completely anonymous…they simply can’t argue with their hamster.
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The “Excitement” the married women miss from single life is a parade of strange pump-and-dump cock and feeling like trash after each that got ’em to their husband… the rationalization hamster and “sex-positive” Feminazi influence convinces ’em to be nostalgic about it and dis-satisfied about marriage after a while, of course.
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My prediction: Aunt Giggles will take whatever this survey reveals and cater it to fit her build-a-better-beta feminine evangelism message.
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You know what would be interesting, from a purely racist and political point of view?
Put up the following profiles for a guy:
1. Muslim, brown-skinned Mideast guy. Into indie music, veganism, and Allah. Make his profile very hipster-friendly—lives in BK, votes Obama, Indie bands, SWPL shows, Hipster food and movies. Contact non-Muslim hipster girls. Keep messages in emails, but gradually reveal character as very traditional Muslim on feminism (feminism only—gays and blacks off limits) —-make jokes about putting back in kitchen, etc. Gradually escalate, but sprinkle in how it’s all because the US and Israel wrecked your homeland, and that this is your cultural response. See if you can get some feminazi dweeb girl on the hook (or how long you can play with her) for a man who wants her in a hijab.
2. Black guy profile. Same interests as Muslim guy (re: very SWPL, liberal voting). Contact whitey and asian hipster bitches. Then do same as Muslim—sprinkle in your views on traditional female roles, etc. Anytime she gets hot, start blaming oppression/slavery/whitey racism for your troubles. Then escalate again Cite that bitch. See how long you can keep a feminazi SWPL bitch in line for a man who wants her as a house negro.
3. You could do this for a white guy (nonreligious), but we know it would end much sooner.
4. Try for Asian guy. See how strong his trad frame can work, always reverting to “racism” and cultural oppression by whitey when attacked.
My vote is that the black guy profile will get fewer responses, but will be able to push misogyny hardest and longest (heh). Next will be Muslim dude. Asian dude will probably get more responses from non-Asian women than usual due to his more masculine frame rather than the stereotype. White dude will get blown out, publicly shamed on the dating website, have administrators complained to, be locked out of account, etc.
Heck, use exact same language in all emails, just cut and paste, only changing the fall back “racism” and “oppression” defenses.
Then publish evidence. Show how left-wing women will allow black men to act violently anti-feminist with little pushback, with Muslim men in second, and white guys not even barely getting a chance to breath before the attacks come. The only wild card, in my book, will how a traditional, frame-holding, masculine Asian profile would play here. It could go one of two ways: instant blow out as a banana, or white guilt coming in.
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With many of the white female profiles i’ve seen there’s a certain pattern. First a ton of liberal bullshit then later some variation of “I only date white guys”. It’s funny.
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Many say that, but many want a “chocolate notch”, just to claim non-racism/have a jungle fantasy.
The smarter ones try to hide it later. But leftist women are all, at heart, into bestiality.
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Yeah — along with the classic line “Not a prejudice, just a preference.” They ought to trademark that.
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That’s brilliant. “I hate Koreans, not a prejudice, just experience.”
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Have you guys been following the Soledad O’Brien scandal?
02:53 PM
http://minx.cc/?post=337047
04:26 PM
http://minx.cc/?post=337051
I actually feel a little sorry for the poor negress – being so stupid and naive as to have actually believed the sweet little lies which the fiat-electron-mongerers were whispering in her ear – and only now, in her humiliation and despair, does she learn what they really thought of her all along.
Sure would be nice if more Afros would wake up and smell the coffee.
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http://minx.cc/?post=337051
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Dude, that’s like expecting monkeys to do nuclear physics. It’s so beyond their capacity. Just round ’em up, put’em in cages, and let them throw their poop at each other.
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Says one of the most frequent flingers of the text equivalent of poo in the comments section.
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lmao. To a nigger-worshiping lefty like yourself, all truth is poo. Begone, truth, let me live in my pretty little lies!
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Nice.
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Dance, little monkey. Dance!
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White guys can push back plenty once you’ve established attraction. I’m banging a dyed in the wool liberal feminist, and in some post-coital chitchat she said something about “what if women were in charge?” – I just said “If women were in charge we’d all still be living in mud huts” and smirked. Queue playful wrestling attack by her followed by more banging.
Girls like to be challenged by dominant men who give a shit if they offend delicate sensibilities.
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Yes, but I’m talking pre-bang, pre-commitment–just contact via email from a dating website. The feeling out period.
yes, if you establish alpha first and bang her, she’ll let you get away with more and more. The test here is the social construct of what a feminazi will let a man get away with before she’s entrapped–and it will differ by race.
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Truuuuueeee….. but in my experience (at least in person) you can seriously push the boundaries of social mores if you do it right. But It’s dangerous.
Screw up and you definitely get some righteous anger. Do it right and she’ll punch in the arm proclaiming “you’re SUCH an asshole!” as the tingles wash over her nether regions.
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My point here is to show how leftist bitches let nigs and towel-heads do much worse than white guys. Hypocrisy on their part.
Please. I’ve fucked a light skinned-black girl and made her called me “massa.” And pulled her hair. Ask the nig boys which one is more dangerous.
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I wonder how much of that is just knee-jerk white guilt. That is, since white guys are viewed as part of the “in group” that has to walk on PC eggshells, they are not supposed to speak thoughtcrime; whereas non-whites get a pass on it.
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I’ve fucked a light skinned-black girl and made her called me “massa.”
Hmmm… intriguing.
The Strom Thurmond in me is getting a little rise out of that idea…
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pulling her hair for sure
hahahahahahaha!
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Survey questions with my comments on the answers in ().
Who goes out more, singles or married people?”
Single men: Singles.
Single women: Married people.
(Men know they go out and one married will have little to no motivation to go out with their future wifes. The girls believe once married they will keep going out with their female friends AND with their men. Little do they know about male psychology)
Married men: Married people.
Married women: Singles.
(Now married the Men have found out that going out is still fun while they always have their wife at home as “back-up” plan if things dont work out well, while the women now have realized their former errors)
“Who thinks about sex more, singles or married people?”
Single men: Singles.
Single women: Singles.
(The question really means: “Who gets to fuck more”)
(Men believe their PUs or short relationships are frequent sex while single women really have the jackpot if they are cute)
Married men: Married people.
Married women: Singles.
(Once married men realize how easy and effortless they can get 2-3 (or more) times per week, every week, sex with their wife and STILL may have a few PUs here and there. Women find themselfs limited to their married man and have far less options than before. Life it seems IS fair, after all.)
What percent of single women would never date someone shorter?”
Men: 75% (average of answers).
Women: 40% (average of answers).
(Here we see how realativly unimportant “look” is for women. Other traits can easily compensate that. Not so with a hot female body and men.)
“Who fantasizes more about co-workers, single women or men?”
Men: Single men.
Women: Single women.
(Hahaha here we see who the REAL sex-beasts are – and it is not us men!)
“What do married people miss the most about single life?”
Married men: Freedom.
Married women: Excitement.
(Men: The freedom to fuck all the cute girls I see around me)
(Women: The excitement of beeing treated like a women by an experienced womanizer)
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If nothing else, women’s surprisingly liberal attitude toward short guys explains why as an elf-like freshman in college I was able to bed two much taller women after using this opener: “Hey, so you feel like running off and getting married so I can have tall kids?” And I thought it was just my brilliant line!
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I look at the “kindness” comment as a catch-all for “does the woman think she has a bigger cock than me?” Guys will engage if the looks pass their initial filter. After that, you want to know if she is an “enntitled, over-educated bitch.” Single women do not get this most of the time. Nobody wants to date, let alone f*ck, a woman who wants to compete with you all of the time.
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I remember one girl trying that shit with me at a bar. Tried to out do-me on career accomplishments:
“I went to X. I work for Y. I’m in position Z.” etc.
I blew my cool when she started talking about her days volunteering at some shit-resume-building internship with lots of prestige:
“Honey, I don’t want to fuck your resume.”
Feminazis never seem to get that.
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Some women don’t deserve to get fucked, period. Fucking Feminazis, no matter how hot, is a service they should pay you for. Turn them down and see how upset they get at your none interest. Let them have to settle for idiotic betas fucking them.
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Or….Rape!
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RAPE!!! is my wingman
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Rape is always the best wingman.
[Heartiste: Don’t forget to bounce to a rape venue, isolate to rape, and go for the rape close. You may have to disarm LMRR…. last minute rape resistance.]
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Fucking Feminazis, no matter how hot, is a service they should pay you for.
Or….Rape!
Here’s an idea – rape ’em and then demand payment afterwards.
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That’s right; it’s either whorefinder doing the honors and delivering hot sex as needed like intervals of Antibiotics, or a beta that leaves you high and dry and unsatisfied. Wouldn’t you pay him to come over?
Feminazis, It’s time you paid him for his talents.
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Off topic, but more science. Which i know CH loves.
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/01/30/less_housework_equals_more_sex_for_married_men_study.html
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a graph is here:
http://blog.sfgate.com/science/2013/01/30/study-husbands-who-do-more-housework-have-less-sex/
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Hilarious comment thread over there.
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if its not sawing through boards with a handsaw or carrying more than 40 pounds i don’t do it
didn’t have water in house for 4 months guess who carried the water for baths from outside and heated it in the us
thats right my chick lolzzzzzzz
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This video was like eating too many cookies.
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“eating too many cookies”
So is this what they call Bukkake nowadays??
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Such skullduggery! After looking that up, I can safely say, bukkake would not make me bucolic.
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Found an interesting article about household chores and sex. Just like Heartiste says:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/want-more-sex-survey-says-stop-helping-chores-213917047.html
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“What do married people miss the most about single life?”
Married women: Excitement.
I wonder how these hausfraus get their excitement fixes? It’s good to know that a man who has committed his whole being to another person is thought of as boring door stop.
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“I wonder how these hausfraus get their excitement fixes?”
Fucking guys like me on the side. Welcome to “monogamy” in 2013 lol
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“Who goes out more, singles or married people?”
Single men: Singles.
Single women: Married people.
Married men: Married people.
Married women: Singles.
the grass always being greener for the ladies
“What percent of single women would never date someone shorter?”
Men: 75% (average of answers).
Women: 40% (average of answers).
in her mind, the definition of “date” is the recollection that she on some occasions let shortish semi-celebrities or high status men plow her. but all things being equal, the men have it right.
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seems like it needs some more in depth questions pretty boring shit
“Who fantasizes more about co-workers, single women or men?”
Men: Single men.
Women: Single women.
id go single woman single woman
””’“Who thinks about sex more, singles or married people?”
Single men: Singles.
Single women: Singles.
Married men: Married people.
Married women: Singles.
””””’
married woman down the line
my wives ltrs always thought about sex
my chick now tell me i talk about sex a lot but still she thinks about it more he he he
”””“How many times has the average single been in love?”
Single men: 1.5 times. (average)
Single women: 2.5 times. (average)
””””
kind of interesting
times in love doesn’t a chick think she in love on every relationship
think it would be much highr for woman
i only told three chicks i love em though in my life
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Fascinating study. LOL Wonder how the, er, aparatus, factored into the responses.
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question: if a chick wants to take your coat off when out and put it away for you is that wierd or fucked up?
If a chick wants you to snap your fingers when you want her to light you a cigerette what is that?
do you sit beside each other or across from each other at the table when eating?
How many time a day do you touch your womans pussy?
how many times a day do you pick up your chick in the air?
if your sitting at table and your cup is empty and you say your thirsty does your chick or dude
a: tell you thats nice
b: call over waiter
c: grab cup and walk over to the pop machine fill it and come back
d: run to the pop machine fill it and run back
your at bufft you say those were really good does your chick/dude
a:say yea they were
b: say would you like more then gets you some more
you wake up in bed and find out you shit yourself
a: does your mate go ahead and clean it up with smile on face
b: laugh at you and throw you a rag and leave
c: run out door and never call back
how many times a day does your woman beg for your cock?
how many times a week does your woman put on the sexy neglige for you?
How many times a day do you kiss?
how many times a day does your woman touch you?
how many times a day does your woman spontaneously say she loves you?
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i know i said aids might be a myth but
took my chick to planned parenthood today for aids test came up negative but the chick that did the test said they had never had someone come up positive
now how the fuck could that be posible
i was fucking around with her like you guys include arsenic pills with positive results or a gun or some soyleant green type shit the room with the poison gas or whatever
she was like we wouldn’t really know what to do since we never had a positive
was she lieing?
wierd shit
i mean if my chick don’t have aids then aids isen’t transferable with hetro sex
unless she really used condoms with everyone else like she says but even then wtf
didn’t die in iraq had condomless sex with strippers and prostitutes and don’t have a disease what the fuck is going on
always willing to put my body on the line to prove or disprove some shit
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im indestructable beotches
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how the fuck did my chick give up crack she on some shit for not doing heroin methadone but the doctor said it doesn’t do shit for wanting crack.
she quit crack cold turkey when i said i was gonna have to leave her ass couldn’t deal with the legal implications of the shit being around me.
i think it goes to show just how malleable a woman freaking is
malleable as fuck with the right application of bahavior modification
if you can get a chick to give up crack then what can’t you get a woman to do with the right incentives and dick application and game
she been clean 14 days now or so
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OT but still noteworthy:
http://www.france24.com/en/20130130-more-housework-less-sex-married-men-study
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Self reporting girls in comments, Heh xD
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/want-more-sex-survey-says-stop-helping-chores-213917047.html
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There are a lot of feminists and fem sympathizers in those comments. Because you can’t really upvote things anonymously, the politically correct people keep winning by downvoting any comments that mention the word feminist. The best comments say “This comment is hidden because it was downvoted by a lot of people” and you have to click a special button to see those comments.
Yes it can be a correlation thing.
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Married men who help with the housework get less sex: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/married-men-who-help-out-1563261
no housework > manly chores > washing dishes like a bitch
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Kindness? LOL – all MOST of them think they have to do is fucking show up. PERIOD.
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Haha great vid. I look forward to reading the full results.
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Phew…..crazy days. Oh yeah, a few notes before I start: all the names I use are fake, but thanks for looking out Yareally.
FR:
Last thurs:
Me and Mark are going to go out, when one of Mark’s friends hits him up. His friend Roger wants to come hang with us and talk to girls or whatever. So fine, after a sojourn at Roger’s house, we all head to the club. Mark has talked Ronnie up to me for awhile — ‘he’s slept with like 200 girls’ type of stuff. I was excited to meet him. Maybe I could learn something.
Turns out, Roger’s a really good looking guy. Whatever, he could still have mucho insight into the bodacious art scoring with chicks. We all get to the club and get inside. Roger elects to sit at some tables for a bit, and he says he’s gonna ‘show us the ropes.’ 30 minutes go by with him talking about life, and I’m starting to notice that none of this shit makes sense to me. It’s all woo-woo ‘just be yourself’ shit. Mark is enthralled, though. At the end of the half hour (I was checking), he lets slip that he ‘lets the girls come to him.’ At that point, I’m like ‘well I can’t learn anything from this guy.’ He starts talking more than a little shit about the whole cold approach attitude. I have my quota of sets to open, and I’m done talking to a dude who is going to just sit and stare at chicks all night.
I go and open a set — a 6, a 5.5, a 7, and a 7.5 at a table. By now, I can say the opener in my sleep, and I do the whole 45 degree angle, over the head style. I’ve also just started naturally talking really fucking loud. So, I address the 7.5. with the drug dealer opener.
Her: Hmmm, (a quirked grin) I don’t know, what do you guys think…
(her friends erect a wall of apathetic bitch pikes against my cavalry charge)
Me: (pointing to 5.5) Hey, are you a hairdresser?
5.5: (flat) No. None of us are hairdressers.
Me: (grinning huge) You’re a fucking firecracker.
6: You should go away.
Me: (feigning intense sadness, tilting head) Why?
(7 snickers, 7.5 is remaining silent…)
7: Well you know, we’re just all sitting here having some girl talk.
Me: Wow! I fucking love girl talk. Let’s dish: this one time, I tried to see how many times I could flick my ex-girlfriend’s tits before her nipples got hard. Turns out it’s 8….8 times.
(5.5 and 6 just look away, the 7 kinda keeps it apathetic, the 7.5 does the sloooow nod thing)
Me: (suddenly to the 7.5) What? Do you think I’m about to flick your nipples?
(She………..laughs!!!!!! YES!!!)
Me: Cause I’m fucking NOT. I just met you. And her (indicating the 7). That’s pretty forward to just fucking assume I’m gonna go on some kind of nipple busting rampage on some bitches I just met. For fuck’s sake.
(5.5 and 6 are kinda forced to be into it a little because the 7.5 and 7 are chuckling now)
5.5: Yeah well you’re being kind of creepy about everything.
Me: Whoa…calm down crazy.
I ripped this line from that one movie Silver Linings….it just kinda flew out of my mouth…worked pretty well. 5.5 was annoyed, but I feel the momentum starting to shift. Unfortunately, at around this time, 4 guys show up synchronously…like they had just rappelled down some sort of cockblocking black helicopter…and immediately escorted all of them to the dancefloor. I’m like, ‘ahhh fuck’ and just start to move on, when 7 turns.
‘Hey who are you?’
‘Oh…..Scray…’
‘Hey Scray, nice to meet you, I’m Renee….see you around.’
And then they were gone. Lame as it is, I was pretty psyched about this meaningless bit of politeness. Should I have asked for a number? Persisted? I don’t really know. It happened too fast, and it probably would have been a cold number anyway. However, I glance back to Mark and Roger — two girls are there — a 6 and a 6.5, pretty good. But, because Mark was my ride…I now had to leave because they were going to go home with these girls (I’m not paying for a cab…maybe I kind of bitched out :D).
So night over for me
Friday:
I talk with this one mexican guy, Ted who seems to do well with girls. He seems like he’s a natural.
So anyway, Ted’s like ‘we haven’t hung out in awhile…let’s go to talk to some sloots.’ I’m down for it, why not? Ted shows up, and he’s like ‘guess where we’re going?’ And I’m like, ‘idfk.’ Ted grins ‘we’re going to Country Western Bar.’ Me, ‘wtf.’
During the LONG car ride to Country Western Bar…Ted reveals that he’s really into PUA and into the concept of frame control, etc. So, his big revelation to me?
Ted: You’re half-black, right? Really, all this is about is not being a puta — a bitch.
Me: Yeah, sure….okay.
Ted: Nah, a lot of guys fold under social pressure. Guys like us have it easy, we have an easy training ground.
Me: What?
Ted: We’re half-minorities…really whole minorities, what’s the difference.
Me: Okay….
Ted: We gotta get lots of people to call you a nigger tonight.
Me: ……………………………………………………………I don’t want to die, or anything.
Ted: Don’t be a bitch.
So……yeaaaaah. Really strange night. I mean, his whole idea is like ‘if you can successfully control yourself and — somehow — turn around a situation where people just fucking hate you on principle….what can stop you?’ Anyway…it was a really weird night. As you can imagine….my AA was in serious overdrive. Ted forced me into a set two girls, three guys, and it was fucking ridiculous. Liiiiike, there was this raunchy auburn haired cowgirl who probably called me a nigger like a bajillion times, and I mean….I just didn’t know how to handle it. She also asked insane questions, like ‘how big is your cock?’ ‘would you like me to suck that nigger dick?’ She was a 5…but the set was mixed, so I had literally NO CLUE how to fucking handle it. I was a Scraymouse.
Ted is some sort of insane person. Like…one of the dudes at one point was like ‘this goddamned anchor baby beaner,’ and Ted throws his head back, ‘yeah, all right, gomer pyle, bob hope eat a dick whoever the fuck you are…’ and everyone laughed their asses off.
My question now….I mean, that was an extremely uncomfortable environment for me. But at the same time…like, Ted just handled it like a goddamned champion. Is there something to his theory, or is Ted insane…or both?
Saturday:
I lost my ID at CW bar. I was planning on not going out, but there was an event at a club that 90% of the school social circle were attending. So…why not? I snag a paper copy of my driver’s license from my job and just decide to run a gambit.
It works, and I get in to the club with everyone else.
Only one set, and really, it’s a girl I somewhat know already. She’s been with two of the guys in my social circle already. She’s like a 6.5. I talk with her at the bar. So, my new thing that I’ve been trying out has been break-up/make-up. It goes really well with ‘I love you.’
Earlier, I had told her friend that I was going to spread a rumor that she was engaged to an Argentenian wiffle ball player named Rodrigo. So, I tell 6.5 to make sure she goes back to her friend and asks about Rodrigo. Then I just am like, also, tell your friend that I’m in crazy mad crazy love with her. And 6.5 laughs, and I’m like ‘THIS IS SERIOUS, SHE’S MY SOULMATE!’ Her eyes widen, and she nods.
So we get to talking, blah blah blah blah…and she mentioned that she liked a band that I liked. Naturally, I just move away like ‘im falling in love with you now, goddammit.’ She laughs. Then she’s like ‘yeah, they’re almost as good as Nickelback.’ Then I turn to her and am like ‘what the fuck is wrong with you? We’re broken up. FOREVER. DON’T EVEN FUCKING TALK TO ME. DON’T EVEN LOOK MY WAY!’ She covers her mouth, she’s laughing, and I look away. After a few seconds, I’m like ‘remember that time we broke up. listen, I didn’t mean all of that. You just make me really mad sometimes.’
And she’s like ‘oh, okay…well so are we back together?’
‘Yeah. For now.’ I’m still staring straight ahead.
After a few more minutes, she made me pinky swear to be in her group for some sort of thing we’re doing in a class we have together because she didn’t know anyone in that class. (I pinky sweared but I didn’t do it, she was annoyed :D).
I also asked her at some point what friendship meant to her (shout out to whoever left that link to ‘good questions’). I was surprised at the in-depth answer I got out of her.
And then, three dudes from the way outer ambit of the social circle came and choded up the joint. We all were talking in a circle for a bit, and then there was the idea to dance. Three guys, one girl. She’s like ‘yeah, we can go to the dancefloor!’ She lead the way. In my mind I’m like ‘fuck this, I’m not running a race with these two chodes.’
So I bounce, get one of my friends, talk to some uggos for a few minutes while we get our bearings, then just leave.
Weds:
Still don’t have my new ID, but I’m just going to places that are lenient about carding. Today me and Mark go to a small club/bar. So, at this point, I’m deciding that my drug dealer opener is less me. I resolve to go direct, just enough to say ‘hey I came to talk because you seemed cool…’ then maybe after a minute or two, use the drug dealer thing to fuel conversation. I resolve to be more direct. State intentions.
I completely chode out. First set, girl at the bar. I look at her…she’s a 7.5. Sweet. I’m in perfect body language position, facing somewhat away, and I look over and say….
….
….
‘Hey did you get the bartender’s attention yet?’
‘No.’
/chodeoverandout
I just turn away lol. I blink a few times, like ‘wtf’ to myself.
Mark comes and stands next to me at the bar.
Another girl comes to my left, like a 6, to order a drink. I look over at her once. I try to form the words. NOTHING. I look over at Mark.
‘you’re a fucking idiot. just do it. what the fuck?’
I nod.
Then I just look over, and loudly say ‘SO WHAT DRINK YOU ORDERING? I’M DRINKING A BUD LIGHT. YEAH.’
She slowly turns her head, ‘yeah?’
I shrug, totally confused about wtf is happening to me. It’s like I’m falling back, which is bullshit, because I haven’t even gotten that far lol.
So, it turns out, through some disparate social circle connections, and a set that formed around Mark and I, that the 6 was in that group. Mark starts chatting them up…there’s two guys and two girls…the 6 and a 7.
I nurse my single beer…I feel like Maverick just drifting away from the dogfight in TopGun. I just can’t get my head into the game. Then, I just decide to go in there with fundamentals or something.
So, I walk into set — completely forgetting all Wing rules, much to Mark’s chagrin. I start talking to the 6 (probably should have distracted the obstacles, but fuck it, I need to get INTO the game). I look at 6’s beanie
‘I REALLY LIKE THAT BEANIE.’ said with just that kind of inflection.
She nods with grin ‘yeah, i like beanies so i don’t have to do my hair.’
‘NO. I’m the opposite, I like putting the beanie back so I still have to do something with my hair.’
‘ohhhh….well, my hair’s just kind of dirty cause I haven’t washed it today so I just had to use the beanie.’
‘that’s fucking disgusting. You’re gross.’
‘…yeaaaah…’
‘and with that bag you’re carrying and beanie you kind of look like you’re going to bomb the WTC’
she just continues to nod with an oooooooooooooookaaay grin.
I ask what’s in the bag, and she says something about a project.
‘A PROJECT FOR WHO…THE PRESIDENT?’
(yeah, I actually said this shit lol)
She shakes her head and says ‘no, like wax….you want to see some pictures?’
‘totally.’
She shows me the pictures, and this other guy is way into it. But me..I just say how I feel:
‘I don’t get any of that shit, but there’s a lot of colors…NICE.’
then the 7 interrupts, and then one of the guys invites us to go with them to a bar/club. However, it’s a bar/club with a strict ID. Goddammit. Set over.
So, I start walking away from that trainwreck of a set, and then I see my second legit 9 in field. I walk by and stop…45 degree angle, body language, blah blah blah.
Me: Hey, have they had a DJ here the whole night, or was there a band earlier?
Her: Oh, no it’s been a DJ all night…yeah I —
Me: Nah, fuck that. I just came over to talk to you because you seem sexy and I want to know if you’re cool, too.
(heartbeat warpspeed)
Now, here’s the little victory moment…and why I trust Yareally now. She leans back for a second, and her eyes widen, and she gets this quirky little smile.
Her: ‘Oh…’
Then, she looks both ways and dips her head a little
Her: I don’t know if that’s a good idea.
Me: Why, they don’t you let you talk to strangers in here?
She laughs. Cool man. And then…out of nowhere…this black dude gets straight up in my face, repeating ‘hey dude, don’t talk to her dogg, no disrespect, but don’t talk to her dogg, nah dogg, don’t talk to her, no disrespect’ repeated like a chode mantra over and over again.
I try to fly under the radar like ‘okay, okay…who are you, maybe we can all be friends?’ Maybe not so much under the radar because I’m pretty sure I kind of smirked when I said it….:D I actually don’t even think that was her bf…it was just some sort of devotee of the bf.
‘Nah we don’t need to be friends motherfucker, get the fuck on.’
Now, the 9 has watched the whole time…and her expression is serious, and I catch eyes with her. Then, I just kind of do a lackadaisical shrug…she grins. Then I do something, kind of stupid……
…I walk past her on my way out…
‘I tried to rescue you!’
“Motherfucker!” sayeth the black dude, starting after me along with two other dudes I didn’t notice before — like…seriously starting after me. I fucking bolt — Mark is on his way to wing me and I’m like ‘getthefuckoutnow!’
I’m pretty sure the bouncer at the door stopped him and let us run.
…
So yeah.
Thoughts:
Yeah man, all of that above looks lame as shit, but I dunno…for some reason I feel fine about it. I mean, the experiences alone are worth it. I definitely just do the ‘i love you’ ‘break up/make up’ stuff in everyday interaction more. I talk to a lot more people, actually. I also feel great, probably because of working out.
I can’t believe how difficult it was for me to direct open. That’s the kind of confidence I think I need to build. Now, it’s totally possible that I mistook the 9’s expressions and whatnot as her just being entertained rather than being intrigued — maybe!
I really think it all goes back to my sticking point of maybe not being sexual enough. No one wants to be a ‘creep’ I guess. But, I guess I’m definitely going to have to risk it to get better. These upcoming nights, I’m going direct. Hooo boy…..and then there’s Ted’s weird suggestion for building a strong, grounded frame.
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lol got a bunch to say about your shit but I’m on my way out the door so check tomorrow.
For now 1) welcome to having stories to tell lol and 2) watch the Tyler video I linked down below in this comment section, he talks about how he’ll start the night by approaching without trying, just saying whatever’s on his mind and retarded shit (like your “for the president?” shit), because that gets him into a social/fun expressive state where later in the night when he meets girls he’s into he’ll be feeling good AND be applying actual game.
Julien talks about building momentum too in his latest vid, his speech is a little more energetic/funny than Tyler’s:
You’re heading in a good direction bringing up sexual topics and getting out of the asexual role girls will put you in, and you’re learning which girl to bust on and when, to keep a group going, and building solid frame control to plow through awkward moments to get to the sweet rewards on the other side. Good stuff, remember this is a slow process, like losing 1 or 2lbs a week working out. 🙂
Check tomorrow for a breakdown!
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since i have no intention of getting married, the survey is moot. all that matters is how I THINK.
match.com. *lulz*
one blogger had me TRY online dating. i was getting viewed by overwight single moms that were 30-40ish. uuuuuh- NO. i need to read facial expressions and IOI’s. IMPOSSIBLE online. and for some reason a 6 thinks she’s a victorias secret model on PoF.
not i said dan, be gone Bowser.
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Tyler’s latest vid has a few minutes of good in-field footage at the start where he makes out with a girl with a boyfriend, instigates a 3-way makeout, and pulls a 3-some:
Remember, that’s THIS balding pale ginger 5’9″ super stud lol:
http://bit.ly/VpBvI0
http://bit.ly/XmRVCn
It’s almost Friday, hope you guys are going out to talk to some girls this weekend. 🙂
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Who wants to bet the jury will acquit this woman for murdering her cheating budding alpha bf because he cheated on her:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/victim-testifies-arias-trial-article-1.1251618
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@Canadian Friend: I wasn’t joking.
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Kate,
if you like to take orders from your man then you are not going against the natural order of things
and this makes you a good woman
but try to pick a man who will not abuse his power
you want a leader not a tyrant 😉
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