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This House Is Clean (And Sex-Free)

January 31, 2013 by CH

Back in September of 2012, CH highlighted a study which showed that modern couples who share the housework are at far higher risk of divorce than couples where the woman does most of the domestic duties.

Divorce rates are far higher among “modern” couples who share the housework than in those where the woman does the lion’s share of the chores, a Norwegian study has found.

In what appears to be a slap in the face for gender equality, the report found the divorce rate among couples who shared housework equally was around 50 per cent higher than among those where the woman did most of the work.

Women have been claiming for God knows how long that they want a man who will do his share of the housework, but when he does, their vaginas dry up like the Sahara. You see, equality of the sexes is a myth. Women don’t *really* want equal husbands. What women want are strong husbands who don’t act like women, which means, in practice, not puttering around the house dusting, mopping, vacuuming, cooking, or doing the laundry.

Right on cue, feminists plugged their ears. The ones who stumbled into this happy hating ground tore at their pendulous breasts. Even the trolls had no room to maneuver a subterfuge.

As good as that post was, there is a new study out which may trump it in delicious equalist-eviscerating goodness. Following in the same vein as the study above, researchers discovered that married men who do more housework have less sex.

Husbands who spend more time doing traditionally female chores — such as cooking, cleaning, and shopping — reported having less sex than those who do more masculine tasks, said the study in the American Sociological Review.

“Our findings suggest the importance of socialized gender roles for sexual frequency in heterosexual marriage,” said lead author Sabino Kornrich, of the Center for Advanced Studies at the Juan March Institute in Madrid.

“Couples in which men participate more in housework typically done by women report having sex less frequently. Similarly, couples in which men participate more in traditionally masculine tasks — such as yard work, paying bills, and auto maintenance — report higher sexual frequency.” […]

“The results suggest the existence of a gendered set of sexual scripts, in which the traditional performance and display of gender is important for creation of sexual desire and performance of sexual activity,” Kornrich said.

When men are men and women are women, the sex is more frequent. And probably hotter, too. When men are scalzied manboobs and women are manjawed feminists, the bedroom is an arid wasteland of dashed passion.

Sexual polarity — the primal force that adheres the cosmic cock to the celestial snatch — is the truth of truths that belies every feminist assertion ever made in the history of that insipid, leprotic ideology. May the losers of the world quake and fall to their knees before its divine directive.

This isn’t a truth borne of social constructs, or of cultural conditionings, or of privileges of privilege. It’s a truth woven into the fabric of our origin atoms, the glue that binds our helical commandments and reaches outward to breathe life into the monolith of our souls.

It is what is.

The “correlation is not causation” crowd will surely attempt a say with this study, but you know what? It won’t matter whether it’s a primarily correlational or causal force which accounts for the reality of this particular intrinsic sex-based dynamic. If you are a man interested in sparking your flailing marriage and reigniting your wife’s dying lust, and you have come here to the Chateau for guidance, I will tell you to put down the vacuum and laundry detergent and take up the power tools and lawn mower. Leave the womanly domestic chores for your woman, and the manly handyman chores for yourself. Do this, and your sex life will improve. I promise. And it won’t matter if it improved because you fixed a correlational or a causal upstream factor of your marital woes. You will have realigned the sexual polarity, and even a hardcore feminist’s vagina can’t resist the allure of that naturally evolved gender construct.

I really love these sorts of shivtastic studies. It’s almost as if Science approached the doors of Chateau Heartiste, asked to be let in, peered and poked around, and solemnly announced, “This house is clean”.

And if you are a sexy man, it will have been your wife who cleaned it.

PS Two of the authors of the original study are surnamed Sweet and Bumpass. Sweet. Bumpass. Sweet Bumpass. Yes. Sweet Bumpass? Meet Purple Saguaro. Sweet Bumpass and Purple Saguaro? Meet Skittles Man. Sweet Bumpass, Purple Saguaro and Skittles Man? Meet the Rationalization Hamster. And on the eighth day, CH rested.

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  1. on January 31, 2013 at 10:13 am JironGhrad

    I wonder what science says about the non-husband who does housework? I don’t think it strictly correlates (from personal experience). The rational is that a stay-at-home boyfriend has more time on his hands to play video games OR go meet and bang other women AND less fear of the system reassigning his possessions to her.

    Admittedly, it takes a stronger frame to be a stay-at-home boyfriend… but I get by quite well.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 10:23 am bob

      Are you happy staying home? Don’t you want, sometimes, to face the vast external world? I don’t know if a man can really stay at home, to be honest.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 10:42 am JironGhrad

        I prefer working to not. That said, my ex-wife can’t handle being a parent, so years before the divorce I quit work to stay home and take care of the kids. Then, 18 months ago the ex ran over my foot with her SUV and since my occupation requires a lot of walking, I’ve been trying to heal.

        Being run over actually gave me even better frame and totally worked in my favor toward getting laid. The slight limp is noticeable to women and they always are super curious, and then their eyes get huge when I tell my story of how my ex ran my foot over with my kids in the car at their elementary school, and never apologized for it.

        Every woman who hears that story wants to go and kill my ex for me. 🙂

        But as for being able to stay home, I do lots of things. Volunteer at the kids’ school, pursue my hobbies, and play some video games. I’m not a shut-in and there’s a lot of pre-selection when women see my girl buying me stuff which makes her jealous of them noticing. It’s almost a no-effort game really. That said, I am looking for work in my field with less walking, but only because I make twice what my g/f does when I am working and I like shinier toys than she can afford all the time.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 11:03 am Hugh G. Rection

        Why not trade her in for a higher earning girlfriend?

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 12:30 pm JironGhrad

        Cause she happens to be:
        1) Extremely Submissive
        2) 9 years younger
        3) Is a better mother to my kids than their real mom
        4) Knows her place, and doesn’t bitch
        5) Conservative
        6) American and White

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 5:49 pm Simon Corso

        You found the unicorn.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 5:51 pm yaser

        Sounds like a keeper.

        Besides, it sucks to have your LTR make her own money, from a mans perspective. It’s as bad as the man being with other women, from the womans perspective.

        What women want from a man = money.
        What men want from women = sex.

        A womans financial promiscuity equals a mans sexual promiscuity.

        Never promise sexual exclusivity unless she agrees to financial exclusivity.

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      • on February 3, 2013 at 3:58 pm Lily

        “Never promise sexual exclusivity unless she agrees to financial exclusivity.”

        Yaser, do you know what good deal this is for women, especially for us traditional/conservative girls? I mean, you can’t find a man nowadays that hasn’t been brainwashed by his mom, aunt(s), and society at large that a woman who wants to be a full-time wife and mother is an atavist gold digger. This is the feminist mantra. So it’s refreshing when you hear a man wanting his wife all to himself and the family they will have together. I find it extremely romantic, not oppressive.

        I told some of my more conservative girlfriends who can grasp these concepts better than their liberal counterpart that if your guy insist you work, he isn’t as masculine as a man who wants to be the bread winner and the dominate partner in the union. I warned that romance will suffer as a result of it. A manly man wants to protect and cherish his wife for her femininity, not have her be his equal like one of the boys.

        It’s very hard to explain this to feminists and liberal women in general who think romance is her man acting like one of her girlfriends with a deep voice, yet she wistfully reads “50 shades” and longs for the powerful dominate man, while at the same time she looks at you like you’re backwards when you say these things to her.

        Sigh….deep in their psyche women know the truth, which is why they read “50 shades” type books.

        Kudos to you, yaser.

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 10:05 am JironGhrad

        My mom was a full-time, stay-at-home parent. She’s a music instructor also, so she was able to work inside the home. In an ideal world, that’s the best thing possible for a family.

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  2. on January 31, 2013 at 10:13 am MichaelC

    One possibility is that couples who share housework do so because they are both working full-time jobs, while in couples where the woman does most of the housework she may be a full-time housewife or only employed part-time.

    If she’s home with the kids, she’s more likely to be doing the housework.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 2:51 pm The Man Who Was . . .

      Another thing. Athol Kay says that letting a woman get harried and overworked shuts down the sexytime, possibly because her body is telling her not to have another baby when she’s already got more than she can handle. So, there may be some value to doing some housework on some occasions. But it’s playing with fire. Do too much and she starts thinking of you are her kitchen bitch.

      So, do just enough to keep your wife from being exhausted, but don’t do too much, definitely not more than her, and try to do the more manly types of chores in preference to the less manly stuff.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 5:53 pm yaser

        Or rather, work an extra hour at the office, and hire a cleaning lady.

        Who do you rather be, the man who brings home a cleaning lady, or the man who do the dishes?

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      • on February 3, 2013 at 3:59 pm Lily

        LOL! The man that pays for the cleaning lady is seen by his wife as much more worthwhile and effective as a man. And women love effective men.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 5:58 pm yaser

      A working woman has a higher threshold for what she regards as a male valued high enough to not trigger her hypergamous tendencies.

      If she works, and makes as much money as you do, what good are you to her? And what good is she to you?

      What, don’t tell me you just traded away having a housewife in order to get an extra car you don’t need an a bigger house you don’t like to cleaning, but you must?

      Inofficial marriage + religious wife + virgin wife + housewife = killer combo that will let you build your own clan.

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 5:58 pm Lily

        “Inofficial marriage + religious wife + virgin wife + housewife = killer combo that will let you build your own clan.”

        Interesting you mentioned that. There are people who get married only religiously, meaning they don’t do it legally. The thinking is that it will protect their assets if there is a split. But in a state which recognizes common law marriage, it wouldn’t matter if you’re married officially. Even if you’re not married officially in such a state, after a few years the state will recognize it as a “marriage” and the “spouse” would be entitled to part of the assets.

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 6:16 pm yaser

        The fucking parasites treat the humans as citizen ( lower case ‘c’, i.e 14th amendment slaves) when it fits them, and then treats them as Citizen (upper case ‘C’, sovereigns) when it fits them otherwise.

        “official” marriage are for 14th amendment slaves, common law marriages are for sovereigns. The government gets to choose what you are.

        That’s bullshit on stilts.

        And they get away with it cause people are more interested in this:

        Instead of noting that “Citizen” is spelled differently at the 14th amendment and onward. Check it out:

        http://www.constitution.org/afterte_.htm

        Guess who the 14th amendment was for?

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

        Chew on that as a conspiracy theory!

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 6:28 pm Lily

        We need the gov’t to get out of the business of marriage and divorce. That’s the only answer. It will also stop gay marriage from getting legalized.

        Of course, it’s too much of a big business for the gov’t and for femcunts to stay away from regulating, but it’s really the only way to free ourselves from feminists ruling our lives.

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  3. on January 31, 2013 at 10:13 am Alasdair Simpson

    sorry for shamelessly plugging myself but I think this short clip will strike a chord with many readers. enjoy, and share if you like.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 10:15 am Alasdair Simpson

      ha. and now for the link: http://youtu.be/Pi1KnpD_uV8

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 6:03 pm yaser

        A man who gives away emotions and commitment readily and easily is like the woman who does the same with sex.

        The male slut.

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      • on February 3, 2013 at 4:06 pm Lily

        Yep! Because men give love and women give sex. Each should be selling their wares for a high price.

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  4. on January 31, 2013 at 10:16 am taterearl

    More than enough evidence that what comes out of a woman’s brain does not equal what’s in her heart.

    Let her complain you don’t do the dishes or the laundry.

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  5. on January 31, 2013 at 10:16 am Kate

    One of the roots of this choreplay concept is that a clean house actually puts a woman in the bow-chick-a-bow-wow mood. Its true. When all your chores are done, you start to think, well, now what can I do? With no responsibilities, one is able to relax and enjoy…messing things up again!

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 10:21 am taterearl

      It puts you in a comfortable mood.

      Comfort does not equal arousal.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 10:25 am Kate

        Fine. Its puts a woman in a *receptive* mood and the man still has his job of creating arousal.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 10:32 am ar10308

        So,
        Man does housework THEN escalates -> gets sex
        Man does NO housework, escalates-> gets sex

        These decisions make themselves.
        Why do housework to get sex, when all he has to do is escalate?

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 10:58 am Kate

        Because she may not be open to it if there is too much on her mind.

        [Heartiste: Interestingly, the study said that wives were more *content* when husbands helped with housework, but less open to sexytime. What we can conclude from this is that when men do womanly chores, wives lose their sexual desire even as their gratefulness increases, thus rendering the husband a beloved eunuch housecleaner. Women don’t consciously know what drives their sexuality, and when they try to rationalize it they say things like “want a man who helps with the dishes”, or “love watching a man push a vacuum around”, when the reality is just the opposite: men who do those things stamp themselves with the Scarlet B: Beta provider. And betas are simply not very alluring to the part of a woman’s brain that has a direct pipeline to her vagina.]

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 11:12 am ar10308

        If there are other things on her mind, escalation isn’t being performed properly.

        Me telling her what to make for dinner should be foreplay. Obviously, her ability to cook is what earns her a good, hard cocking.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 11:59 am Kate

        The Scarlet B. lol I refer you to my comment at Rollo’s.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 12:04 pm Kate

        “If there are other things on her mind, escalation isn’t being performed properly.”

        True, but you may be underestimating how imporant organization can be for some women. If there is still something on the mental list of things to do that isn’t done yet, its harder to think about something else.

        [Heartiste: A woman who is with a sufficiently sexy man will abandon her mental to-do lists. A woman psychologically chained to such a list is evidence she is not with a man dominant enough to lead her away from such tedium.]

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 12:15 pm Freckled

        Women are always more content when the husband helps with housework, who wouldn’t. The important distinction is the type of housework the husband does. A husband who is pushing the vacuum around is not nearly as attractive as one who swinging an axe. The first one is percieved as domesticated and the other one is percieved as untamed. If it comes down to sexual attractivness we are looking for the same things our ancestors did, even if we deny it.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 12:15 pm Kate

        Is there a place where such men can be found? A castle of some sort????

        [Heartiste: They’re a rare breed, and that’s why hypergamy women love them.]

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 12:34 pm JironGhrad

        I have to agree with Heartiste here. If I didn’t make my g/f do them, she’d simply ignore the chores and take care of my sexual needs. It’s a good thing I stay home and do some of the chores because we’d really never have any clean dishes otherwise.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 12:43 pm taterearl

        @Kate…

        Guys who grew up in rural settings mostly. Work such as mowing, cutting wood, fixing things, heavy lifting was done by my dad, me and my brother.

        Your typical city manboob feminist would be scared to get his hands dirty.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 1:09 pm Kate

        Mmm. Men swinging axes 🙂

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 4:52 pm lyle

        I feel like kate may have a valid point that doesn’t actually clash that much with the study. Specifically, did the study account for if these women doing housework were also working women, or whether they were stay at home wives/mothers? I think it’s likely that a woman working a full time job and cleaning the house fully by herself, would find herself overwhelmed and distracted from sex. If the woman stays at home to care for the house, husband, and kids, it is not as overwhelming to her to keep a good house, in fact she feels pride in it rather than being exhausted.

        I’m surprised people haven’t discussed much that this could be an issue for the men doing housework too! I assume most of these men are not stay at home dads. As such, they must be very overworked. Who can blame them for not having the time, or energy, or wish, potentially, to seduce their or fuck their lazy wives?

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 10:34 am taterearl

        And that’s what most guys miss. They think household chores = reward for sexay time. Which it doesn’t. Men should just see chores as something to do and that doing them is the own reward.

        Creating arousal is a different story.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 11:14 am Hugh G. Rection

        Some wives manipulate their husbands that way, turning sex into a quid pro quo situation. More than once I heard a coven of married women talk about their husbands (who were slaving away at their jobs) like they were trained pets…

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 9:06 pm YaReally

        “Comfort does not equal arousal.”

        This. And it applies to happiness, joy, laughter, etc. It’s why guys run dancing monkey game and think they’re doing good because a girl is laughing and smiling and shit, but then they’re surprised when she doesn’t want to fuck them.

        Don’t build a situation where attraction can organically happen, just build attraction DIRECTLY.

        A girl will be late for work, cheat on her husband, forget about messy dishes, stay with a man who beats her, ditch her friends to go home with a complete stranger, and basically shit all over her responsibilities and logical common sense while hamster-rationalizing it all away, if she’s sufficiently turned on.

        She can HATE you, or be stressed and angry in general, and still be attracted enough to fuck.

        Kate is picturing a gay beta monogamous live-in boyfriend, not her dream alpha.

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      • on February 1, 2013 at 9:36 am Kate

        I’ve been cheated!!! There’s not a dream alpha in by Barbie dream house!!!

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 12:44 pm Flavia

      That correlation would be appropriate if the evidence didn’t suggest the exact opposite.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 1:04 pm Kate

        lol- I was talking about when *I* have done my chores, not when a man has done them for me.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 1:36 pm Flavia

        Ah, my bad. Yes, I agree, then. I think there is also the case that men get turned on when women do womanly things, even if that means chores. It is my observation that men resent lazy women.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 2:36 pm JironGhrad

        Damn right!

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 4:12 pm taterearl

        Wearing nothing but an apron while cooking does the trick.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 6:06 pm yaser

      As a married man, i can attest that there is some truth to that statement.

      So much more important to marry a woman who is good at doing her chores efficiently, and knows how to plan the children routines and raise them to be self-cleaning and eventually helpful.

      If i had more money i would defiantly hire a cleaning lady, so she has more time to read the articles i instruct her to.

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  6. on January 31, 2013 at 10:40 am Pete

    Wonder how feminists will react to that.. Oh wait…

    As long as you stick to the traditional gender roles you’ll be okay. I mean,why mess with something that’s proven to work?

    http://www.progressivemale.com

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  7. on January 31, 2013 at 10:41 am Pete

    @taterearl that’s like trying to get laid by buying her gifts

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 11:52 am taterearl

      Some worthwhile reading for the gentlemen.

      http://bossymoksie.wordpress.com/2013/01/25/the-money-guy-i-mean-the-funny-guy/

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  8. on January 31, 2013 at 10:46 am Greg R

    what did you think about the frequency of sex that was cited? like 5 times per month was the best reported frequency?

    Sent from my iPad

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  9. on January 31, 2013 at 10:47 am Reggie

    This may be a repeat post, the first time disappeared.

    When the guy does more housework, he has been betaized (or born that way) and his wife is effectively using sex to get him to do more. She is using the gambler’s effect on him by randomizing her affection/sex.

    http://ed5015.tripod.com/PaGambling34.htm
    “Mice, monkeys and other animals trained to press a lever to get a food pellet keep pressing the lever even when the pellets come every 10th, 20th or 100th press. The lever-pressing behavior is strongest and most resistant to extinction if the reward, the food pellet, was previously received at irregular intervals.”

    Turn this around in the CH way. Be nice to your wife when she gives you affection/respect/sex but not all the time. Randomize your Alpha attention and she will aim to please you constantly. She’ll appreciate that you cleaned the house because you felt like it rather than because it was your chore. Do it randomly and not when she is swamped (she’ll expect that). Mrs. Reggie is a Professor at University and she does the lioness’ share of the housework.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 10:52 am Reggie

      Don’t forget to occasionally tell her to keep the racket down when she is cleaning and you’re watching TV.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 1:50 pm gunslingergregi

        thats awesome

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  10. on January 31, 2013 at 10:47 am TRUTH

    Studies show that traditional (conservative) couple are more willing to work through any type of maritial problem; however, modern (liberal) couples are always open to the idea of divorce when times get tuff.

    Therefore, when times get tuff and happiness is at an all time low, instead of working through the problems facing the relationship, liberal couples pull out divorce papers. Traditional couples bite the bullet and weather the storm.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 6:26 pm yaser

      It’s easier to create a relationship with somebody who you already have a relationship with, even when it’s bad, than to create one from nothing.

      Something > nothing.

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  11. on January 31, 2013 at 11:05 am Erudite Knight

    Women want a strong demanding male, I have learned that in a little over a year, despite the pleas of feminists everywhere, deep in their heart its what they truly desire.

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  12. on January 31, 2013 at 11:16 am maldek

    The rules of Maldek

    1) Do not do any work, you can have someone else do as good or better than you. And I mean it.

    2) If work has to be done, and nobody else can do it, then YOU do it – no matter what.

    3) When other people do your dirty work, always make sure to give approval. A “well done” at the right time gets you a looong way.

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  13. on January 31, 2013 at 11:27 am Thor

    Grotesquely, if one takes this tendency to its natural extreme — man does all housework, woman does none — then what you get is an almost total absence of sex. This is exactly what happened to a college buddy of mine: his wife became a doctor, he a stay-at-home dad to his 7 and 5 year olds doing practically all housework. I visited him a few months back and he complained that he had only had sex four (sic) times that year — and it was already October! I told him straight out: “get out! Get out of your sexless marriage!”

    I myself had been living a similar situation, during 15 years of marriage (if only I had found this site sooner). Shared a lot of the housework and got minimal sex (once I did a field test: I waited until she wanted sex, but had to give up on the experiment after I went a month without it — and after that I went after other women). Luckily, I got married again to a wonderful, old-fashioned girl. I do absolutely NONE of the housework (just change our new baby’s diaper once or twice during the week) and I get sex every single day (twice a day on vacations) — this for the past seven years. And the killer is she has a PhD and is a university professor, sexy as hell and all eyes are on her wherever we go.

    I keep saying to myself: “Lord, am I gonna die? Because you’ve given me everything I ever wanted….”

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 12:07 pm Reggie

      I got me one of those too. PhD, makes more than me and does the laundry. Last week I told her she should sleep in. She got up at 6:30 and I asked her why she wasn’t sleeping in as planned.

      “I have to do the garbage.” she said
      “You certainly do!” I said and rolled over to sleep some more.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 12:50 pm Flavia

        I think there is also a similar correlation with divorce when the woman earns more than the man….

        [Heartiste: Yep, I read a study about that too. This past year has witnessed an avalanche of scientific evidence supporting the Chateau Heartiste worldview about the sexes. It’s really an embarrassment of riches. To preen, or not to preen? To preen.]

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 1:46 pm Reggie

        Those studies are testaments to beta behaviour and have nothing at all to do with housework nor income.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 5:06 pm Flavia

        I don’t know…personally, as Alpha as the guy is, I would not like it if I did most of the housework AND brought home the majority of our income. I like to feel dependent and that someone is taking care of me. It feels nice to spoil, but also to feel spoiled.

        Before I married I supported my then fiance financially and put him through school for a year, so I’m not speculating. But I did it with the mind that the reason for this sacrifice was so that we could have a traditional arrangement (where I didn’t have to work and he could support 3-5 kids), which we now do.

        I guess its similar to an alpha guy being very overweight. Sure, he is still an alpha and he tingles his girl yadda yadda, BUT you’re telling me the girl wouldn’t tingle more if he was alpha AND had a nice body? We’re not THAT visual, but we do have eyes……

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 6:02 pm Sacred&Profane

        It’s all about status and prestige. Correlated with income, and negatively with what we think of as “chores,” but not always one to one.

        Think about a guy who’s a musician. Or artist. Or something else that might be low-income, but is the sort of alpha cultural star in the making that can get the girls that have good steady paying jobs. Status. Prestige.

        A woman may make more, but there are plenty of ways for the man to have the higher status in society. Just think about telling a crowd what you do at a cocktail party. There are ways the man is going to have the more interesting job, even if the woman makes more.

        Same with chores. Today’s chores have a Western bias to them, you can look at thousands of years of history across countless cultures and you’ll find differences in how the work is divided between the genders.

        First, it’s always divided, somehow, even if it isn’t always divided the same. Sometimes in Tribe A processing a hunted animal is a woman’s job, sometimes in Tribe B it is a man’s job, but in each society it’s always understood which gender is responsible for work.

        Second, it has to do with status. In many hunter-gatherer societies, women bring home the majority of “income” by providing most of the resources (food, clothing, whatever) in society through gathering. A guy can walk in with a piece of meat he hunted down that is entirely unnecessary nutritional for the diet and is only a minor caloric prize compared to the work of the woman, but he’s still THE MAN because society values that meat more.

        In my own relationship, I cook a lot, but I COOK. Any woman can throw food together to produce a meal and call it “cooking.” Perfectly grilling a steak is a high status cooking symbol. Any idiot can scramble eggs. How many people can properly poach one?

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 6:31 pm yaser

        +1

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 7:32 pm Flavia

        Sacred….

        Yeah, I think that works on certain girls…probably less so on girls who aren’t into the carousel. There is no prestige in being a failed artist though, especially after a certain age. I always disliked the artsy type. Too emotionally promiscuous.

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      • on February 1, 2013 at 12:00 pm Reggie

        I see you’re one of THOSE girls.
        ,

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      • on February 2, 2013 at 11:41 am Flavia

        Explain.

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 12:28 am Lily

        “think there is also a similar correlation with divorce when the woman earns more than the man….”

        The divorce rate increases not just when the woman earns more, but also when she has more education than him. Add to that the stay at home dad, and romance suffers completely. It’s role reversal.

        When the woman is the one who puts the food on the table, she starts asking what does she need him. women hate it when they have to support a man. They don’t feel as feminine when they do that. It’s part of their feminine psyche to be taken care of. A woman feels more protected by him and romance blossoms. Put too much responsibility on a woman, like breadwinning, and her romantic feelings for him plummet.

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  14. on January 31, 2013 at 11:27 am whorefinder

    The only time I clean the house is after rape.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 11:33 am PA

      Is your favorite opener with a chick “bitch, I’ll teach you to tease.”

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 2:59 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      What, you mean like laundering the bloody sheets? Damned considerate of you.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 3:00 pm whorefinder

        Tit pics or GTFO.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 3:20 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        So small, I know…

        http://tinyurl.com/6hgnmcq

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      • on February 1, 2013 at 4:17 am RyanS

        Well done, RD….gave me a chuckle

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      • on February 1, 2013 at 12:19 pm Sidewinder

        I think you’ve pulled that trick three times, and I have fallen for it each time.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 4:07 pm Jason

        Don’t lie. You’re hoping she’s a guy.

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  15. on January 31, 2013 at 11:30 am Dr. Eric Stratton

    My first child was conceived in the kitchen while I was cooking. (Side note: don’t pretend to be Catholic if you don’t really understand their raw dog strategies.) These studies use chores as a proxy for the truths they don’t want to admit. It’s about the power dynamic. If you’re a master in the kitchen, it doesn’t matter that you’re cooking.

    At the same time, there is no way to express dominance via laundry folding or vacuuming prowess, so chores are an effective proxy.

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  16. on January 31, 2013 at 11:40 am Anonymous

    “Hey, you get your bitch ass back in the kitchen and make me some pie!” –Eric Cartman

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 12:08 pm whorefinder

      Cartman is my wing man.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 6:37 pm yaser

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  17. on January 31, 2013 at 11:47 am maldek

    Regarding the study: 5.2 times sex per month on average for the males.

    Meaning for the average couple with 2-3 time sex/week there are 2 housymens out there who get laid maybe once a year?

    Does not sound right to me – what do you think?

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 1:25 pm happycrow

      Correlate with a national BMI that’s indicating “lardasses ahoy,” and I’d believe it *regardless* of the domestic power dynamics.

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  18. on January 31, 2013 at 12:04 pm anon

    Real alphas make enough money to hire young, sexy au pair housekeepers.

    [Heartiste: ftfy.]

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 6:40 pm yaser

      “Fuck this fuck you” or “fixed this for you”?

      If #1, what’s wrong with what anon wrote?

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 10:58 pm Anon

        CH has a long history of “fixed this for you”.

        It means anon’s comment was trollish and has been “fixed”.

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  19. on January 31, 2013 at 12:08 pm Husbands who do 'her' chores have less sex, study finds - Page 7

    […] […]

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  20. on January 31, 2013 at 12:08 pm alfredwclark

    Everyone,

    Here’s a new blog: Occam’s Razor

    http://occamsrazormag.wordpress.com/

    It has multiple bloggers and will include topics: HBD, politics, history and economics, immigration, etc.

    We are still working on blogroll. If we do not have you added, please add us, leave comment or email, and we’ll add you.

    Thanks.

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  21. on January 31, 2013 at 12:14 pm Professor Ashur

    Bring the movies.

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  22. on January 31, 2013 at 12:41 pm Jules

    What happens if the couple is living in an apartment building? There is no yardwork to be done. The mexicans have it taken care of. There is also central heating, so no need to be a lumberjack and chop wood. And cooking is effeminate? Please. The best cooks out there are men, not women.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 1:27 pm happycrow

      You can have that in a house, too: they’re called maids, and they visit my place every other Wednesday.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 1:33 pm Lara

      Cooking isn’t beta, especially if you are just doing it for yourself rather than making her a special meal. I would avoid cleaning, though, except basic picking up after yourself.

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  23. on January 31, 2013 at 12:41 pm Sarah

    Proof that contentment and sexual tension don’t coexist well. Like the study says, I could be perfectly content with a husband who does housework. I’m sure I would be more comfortable if I wasn’t entirely responsible for the housework (it’s a common joke around here that my husband doesn’t even know where the kitchen is). However, as I’m trying to stifle a giggle thinking about the dominant meat-stare he gives me when I refill his drink our how he looks down my shirt as I clear away the dinner dishes, I think I would choose that over a shorter chore list and a little contentment any day.

    [Heartiste: You are a good woman, Sarah Brown. In other news, feminists stewed.]

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 3:02 pm Stingray

      Herein lies a big problem, though. How many feminist giggle when they get the meat-stare? More likely they are repulsed because the man giving them the meat-stare is repulsive to them. Part of the reason they are repulsive is because the man does house work. The other part is because she never respected her husband from the get-go.

      Getting the meat-stare is utterly worth doing all the house-work, IMO, but that’s got a lot to do with the fact that we love our men and we respect them. Feminist cannot understand that. There is no such thing as a feminist who respects her husband. The two cannot coincide.

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      • on February 1, 2013 at 1:02 am Sarah

        To be fair, I would probably be repulsed if I were getting a meat-stare from any guy willing to marry a feminist too. We respect our men because they’re real men, deserving of our respect and adoration. Feminists don’t respect their husbands because generally the ones they choose don’t command respect.

        Besides, I don’t think it’s called a meat-stare when it comes from them, it’s more of a “if-I’m-a-good-boy-will-you-touch-my-weiner-pretty-please” pout.

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      • on February 1, 2013 at 7:03 am Stingray

        Sarah,

        I couldn’t agree more.

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      • on February 1, 2013 at 12:37 pm PetiteOlive

        “it’s more of a “if-I’m-a-good-boy-will-you-touch-my-weiner-pretty-please” pout.

        So true.

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 11:30 pm gunslingergregi

        lol

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 12:44 am Lily

        “I would probably be repulsed if I were getting a meat-stare from any guy willing to marry a feminist too.”

        That’s an interesting point. If I knew that my man dated before me an ugly woman, an older woman than him, a fat woman, or a woman who’s lower than 8, I would get turned off completely. He wouldn’t be such a big prize if his standards in the past were lower than me. Now, if he dated an attractive feminist, it wouldn’t bother me as much so long as I knew he ruled her, not the other way around. I couldn’t respect him if a woman stepped all over him. Unless…..maybe he was a bit of a beta before and he learned his lesson. Everyone is allowed to make a couple of mistakes and learn from them. A higher beta/lower alpha learning his lesson doesn’t constitute a loser in my eyes. It makes him a smart guy who is capable of learning and reinventing himself.

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 6:50 am maldek

        “If I knew that my man dated before me an ugly woman, an older woman than him, a fat woman, or a woman who’s lower than 8, I would get turned off completely. ”

        Aha the joy of honesty! What happened to the inner values of that 5 or her nice but slighly overweight personality?
        …and there was I, thinking men would be shallow on women at times 😛

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 4:57 pm Lily

        Both sexes have their physical preferences in the opposite sex. If that’s shallow, so be it. 🙂

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 9:31 pm maldek

        Shallow would be a compliment in your case.

        You take preferences in your mates based not only on his looks but also who he dated before you and her looks.

        You may want to help a non-native speaker out here: Wouldn’t “spoiled” describe you best?

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 10:51 pm Lily

        Indeed! I’m spoiled because I can get away with it. Other girls might not, though. But I am also very considerate and compassionate to my loved ones, especially may man. So I’m worth it.

        The thing is, it’s hard to take one seriously who dated losers. It’s equivalent to a man who doesn’t respect a woman who slept with many men before him and now she wants him to wait for sex with her. Why should he?

        A woman doesn’t care how many other girls a guy slept with before her, but at least she wants the quality to be high because that validates her on the same high level as his previous lovers, and also it validates the man as an unmistaken alpha, which means she got a good catch. LOL! It’s female psyche at work. We’re just as competitive with each other as men are with themselves, but we manifest it differently since men and women are different, as you know 🙂

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  24. on January 31, 2013 at 12:44 pm TB at BlueCollarWorkman

    Right on, man. My wife cooks, she cleans, and she takes care of our girls. I go out, I work, I do carpentry, I fix our cars, I built our deck, I put in a chimney for us… and our home is not sex free. I’ve learned that appreciation is a big thing. If I say how nice she’s made the house look, well, that goes a long way let’s just say.

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  25. on January 31, 2013 at 12:53 pm Flavia

    This is so obvious it makes me sad there’s an article about it. It’s not sexy when a man does woman things. Yes, maybe it’s appreciated, but men doing woman’s work is not arousing to women.

    Next ,an article that shows that men aren’t turned on by women farting and belching.

    [Heartiste: The best feeling of appreciation a woman can have is feeling powerful desire for her lover. She appreciates his very presence.]

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  26. on January 31, 2013 at 1:06 pm Erudite Knight

    Here is something for a thought experiment, as a male, would it be sexy for a female to do ‘male’ things? (Using power tools, fixing something etc)

    I would venture that indeed yes, it would be. But perhaps it stems from the novelty.

    [Heartiste: Depends. Does she have a hot bod?]

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 1:11 pm Dr. Eric Stratton

      Perhaps it’s a Southern thing, but seeing a hot chickadee behind the wheel of a large pick-up gets me every time.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 1:29 pm Antoninus

      The boner killer is in the details of reality (since when one imagines something one only visualizes the positive) I.e. grimmy dirt under the finger nails, rough hands and skin. Imagine what it would be like getting a hand job from your mechanics hands….

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 4:59 pm Canadian Friend

      If she tries to use my power tools it may be “cute” at first especially if they are too heavy for her and she looks clumsy trying but

      Anything a woman does that reminds me of a man , from having hairy legs , burping, farting to using power tools, is not a turn on to me …and I would think a lot of men agree…

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 6:45 pm yaser

      No.

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      • on February 1, 2013 at 11:55 am Canadian Friend

        You like your woman with hairy legs?…….

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 7:41 pm Zombie Shane

      Here is something for a thought experiment, as a male, would it be sexy for a female to do ‘male’ things? (Using power tools, fixing something etc)

      Power tools – NO.

      Guns & Rifles – OH HELL YES!!!

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 12:46 am Lily

        “Power tools – NO.
        Guns & Rifles – OH HELL YES!!!”

        Amen! Especially, in this day and age.

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  27. on January 31, 2013 at 1:08 pm AlphaBeta

    About 10 years ago I went over to an ex’s place. Her fouton was broken so I decided to fix it. While I was fixing it, she said “you fixing the fouton is turning me on a bit”

    This is male housework.

    I can guarantee you that only the most masculine of women would ever get turned on — if at all — by watching her “man” (I use that word loosely) do the dishes, or any other stereotypically female housework.

    Oddly, that ex was one of the most self aware women I’ve ever met; verbalizing many CH maxims before any sort of manosphere existed. She literally told me once that one of the reasons she was into a guy was because he scared her, she was digusted by guys who didn’t have the balls to approach her, and told me that she did the equivalent of shit testing guys to see whether she could respect them or not. She also got married early while she maintained her high smv (she was married when I fixed her fouton).

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 1:15 pm Erudite Knight

      Good point you hinted at here, in college I would be fixing my bike, and girls would flock over to see, and one girl who was a friend and I fixed her bike essentially told me the same thing.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 1:41 pm taterearl

      One of the gals I used to work with made a comment about being turned on by her husband lugging stuff up and down stairs.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 2:06 pm Fawks

        Haha, I can see why: strong man doing the physical work. It’s also why I refuse all kinds of chivalry when asked for it. Single guys have got to start disciplining women that if you aint their boyfriend they get jack shit in terms of attention and gestures: especially when they openly ask for it.
        One of my favourites here in femicunt fortress Sweden is never holding a door open for women. The angry >:O look of unfulfilled entitlement I get kills me every time.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 2:10 pm taterearl

        Odd enough I had a very attractive woman open a door for me and let me go through first. I like it when gals help me for once.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 2:22 pm ar10308

        I had a girl once reach over the driver’s seat and open my door for me, after I helped her into my car.
        I was literally speechless.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 4:18 pm Ramjet

        Sounds familiar

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 4:43 pm ar10308

        I remember hearing that sound-bite in a song back when I was in high school. It was immediately brought to mind when the girl opened the door for me.
        I never knew where it came from. Now I have to go watch this movie.
        At the time, the girl was my buddy’s GF and I was taking her on a LJBF date.

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 12:52 am Lily

        “I had a girl once reach over the driver’s seat and open my door for me, after I helped her into my car. I was literally speechless.”

        I don’t think it’s a turn on for men when a woman treats them like they are invalids. Role reversal/turning the tables is not sexy.

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 6:14 am ar10308

        The fact she was attractive made me want to fuck her, her doing that made me want to marry her.
        There used to be a time when women were taught to be generous, pleseant and add value to a man’s life. It made them worth keeping around. Not so much anymore.

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 5:02 pm Lily

        “There used to be a time when women were taught to be generous, pleseant and add value to a man’s life. It made them worth keeping around. Not so much anymore.”

        Agreed! But there is a big difference between being generous and pleasant, and doing a man’s job or roles reversal. I mean, if you can’t open the door yourself without her help, obviously her doing it was the right thing to do, not to mention considerate. But, if she is just acting chivalrous towards you, I think it’s emasculating, no?

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 7:22 pm ar10308

        She wasn’t doing my job for me. She was just being considerate and demonstrating that she was also willing to put work into the relationship. I had opened her door fully, allowed her to sit, then closed the door for her, as chivalry dictates. I considered her reciprocating the gesture to the extent she could and investing further in the relationship. She wasn’t holding the door of a building for me or pulling out my chair, which would have been emasculating. She used Girl Game to show that she wasn’t some entitled brat.

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      • on February 5, 2013 at 3:29 pm LIly

        OK, I miss understood what transpired. So after you let her into your car, while you were walking around to your side she opened the door for you, right?

        In that case, it’s definitely a considerate gesture and there isn’t anything emasculating about it. Somehow, stupidly I had some other scenario in my head.

        In any case, did you marry her in the end?

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      • on February 5, 2013 at 3:35 pm ar10308

        You have the scenario correct.

        Actually, she was my friend’s (Natural Alpha) GF at the time. He had to work and asked me if he would take her to some arts festival.
        I was a HUGE Beta/Omega at that time in my life, so he knew I wouldn’t be able to get anywhere with her, even though she was really easy (this wasn’t the last time this happened with this friend and his various GFs). I spent the entire afternoon and night into the early morning with her as her giant Beta Orbiter. I was way too timid to make any kind of move on her and I got a hug out of it.

        I couldn’t have married her even if she wasn’t dating my friend because she was WAY too crazy to wife up.

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      • on February 5, 2013 at 4:32 pm Lily

        Well, as crazy as she was, she was indeed considerate, and even though you were a giant beta according to you, she still had some respect for you to care enough that you won’t have to fiddle with the door.

        Maybe she just had a basic decency about her that most women don’t have nowadays. Or, maybe your buddy trained her well.

        But I’m curious, would you have sexed her if she wanted to, or if you were an alpha at the time?

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 12:50 am Lily

        “One of the gals I used to work with made a comment about being turned on by her husband lugging stuff up and down stairs.”

        Women love men who lug. I love it when he grabs both our carry-ons in one hand and holds my hand in the other while he leads the way as we exit the plane. The only thing I take is my purse in my other hand and get led out by him.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 2:11 pm Georgia Boy

      In whose idiotic definition is fixing futons not housework anyway?

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 2:51 pm Anon

      What about fixing their computers?

      I’m not a comp science nerd, but I’m literate. And I found out that many chicks can’t run a virus scan to save their lives.

      Anyway, I used to help them with that “when I was a beta”… a lot!
      And I don’t do it anymore under any circumstance, as a matter of principle.

      I suspect that with a hyper strong dominant alpha frame, you can cook and clean dressed in a ballet tutu and still get laid at night. But I also suspect that there’s something about computers that strongly signals beta nerd suckuppery.

      At least, I’d recommend to never touch their computers before fucking them.

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      • on February 1, 2013 at 4:47 am bob

        Fix only what can be fixed easily and quickly on her computer. In other words, don’t show that you could happily sit there for hours. And don’t ever give her details of what you’re doing. As soon as it’s fixed, give her basic rules to follow so she doesn’t screw it up again, and move on to something else.

        Fixing a laptop doesn’t get nearly as much gina tingles as fixing a car or something in the house, but you can still win something if it’s done correctly (ie avoid nerd behaviour).

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 5:12 pm Lily

        @Bob
        Actually, fixing a computer can be just as much an aphrodisiac to a girl as house work, especially if you really know what you’re doing.

        @Anon
        If you refuse to help her fix her computer, you just come across as a jerk. Stupid girls might still fuck you but decent girls would get annoyed at you and figure you’re just being nasty. Anyway, fixing a computer is more manly than doing housework.

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  28. on January 31, 2013 at 1:49 pm Georgia Boy

    Another explanation, alphas don’t waste time on busywork. Housework is the least effective way I can think of to spend my valuable time. Not a thing edifying or fun about it, all it does is buy you a few days until task X has to be done again. It’s exactly the kind of work you want to just contract out. If I can make 60 bucks an hour as a well-trained cubemonkey, why do the work of a 12 dollar an hour prole? Just pull a few more OT hours and I have more than enough to pay my servants and come out with a better performance review to boot. I want to spend my time learning Spanish, getting ahead, and when I’m done then honing my skill at social dynamics at the local restaurant bar or dance hall.

    Bring over a few more mexicans, I say. I’m busy here building my personal empire, don’t want to run out of them.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 6:56 pm yaser

      Personal empire ftw.

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  29. on January 31, 2013 at 2:28 pm Pauly

    Rush has been reading Heartiste. He’s all over this in the 3rd hour of his show.

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  30. on January 31, 2013 at 2:36 pm WillBest

    The more manly you are the easier it is to split the chores on traditional sex roles. If you have handyman skills (sealing driveway, changing oil, appliance, repair, etc) in addition to yard work and money management on your side then you have more or less split the chores evenly from a time perspective.

    Then again if you are paying for people to do some or all of your handyman, yardwork, and/or money management don’t be surprised if she has an attitude about you splitting her work since you already broke the social contract by outsourcing your shit.

    That being said, I personally like doing the cooking and don’t really consider it a chore. You aren’t restoring or maintaining so much as transforming or creating. Plus, I am more choosy about what goes into my mouth so I end up doing the shopping to make sure I am not getting a healthy dose of chemicals or insane amounts of sugar with my food.

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  31. on January 31, 2013 at 3:05 pm Creo

    I think this study could be re-confirmed by ‘lesbian bed death’ syndrome. Here, the lesbian lovers happily share in all household tasks…busily and contently cleaning, cooking and gardening together, etc.
    Next thing they know they are lying in bed wondering where all the vagina tingles went lamenting, “WTF??”

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 6:54 pm josh

      Maybe the LBD comes from the fact that most lesbians cant get any pussy exCEPT from other lesbians. And who wants a manjawed hairy-faced short-haired nasty looking dyke anyway?? The lesbian marriage-whatever it may be-is NOT a bacchanalia!

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  32. on January 31, 2013 at 3:07 pm RappaccinisDaughter

    I don’t do housework. (I hate it, so I just pay a maid to do it.) So it’s not like I’ve got a dog in this fight. I would like to interject a potential exception to your rule:

    If she’s sick or injured, helping to “take care” of her while she’s down by helping out around the house isn’t going to hurt you.

    A few years ago, I was in an LTR in which we were living together. We just sort of wound up falling into the traditional gender roles with housework–he mowed the lawn, did repairs and did the occasional steak on the grill, while I did most of the indoor stuff. It wasn’t ever discussed; that’s just how it happened.

    Until one day, I broke my arm. Although it was my non-dominant hand and the other arm worked just fine, I’d lost a lot of blood (compound fracture) and I was in a great deal of pain. I’d drag myself to work, deal with it on Advil until I could barely stand it, then come home and pop a Percocet. During this time, I did virtually no housework beyond loading and unloading the dishwasher. Things got a little grungy.

    Not only did he refuse to help out, he picked a fight with me about how dirty the place was getting. I never forgave him for it and the relationship dissolved a few weeks after my cast came off.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 3:09 pm Georgia Boy

      More generally, it seems like when she’s hurting (emotionally, physcially or whatever) is often the time to turn on the beta if there is one.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 3:50 pm whorefinder

      I’m willing to bet your ring finger is longer than your index finger.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 3:58 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Yes, it is, considerably so. I broke that arm falling out of a treestand.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 5:03 pm whorefinder

        wait, the ring finger is longer only on one arm?

        Hmm, I wonder if this has been tested for in those lesbian/straight tests. Maybe the girls with only one arm like that are for masculine girls who nonetheless aren’t dykes/have some femininity (aka like the cock) in them.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 5:07 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Oh, no, the ring finger is long on both hands. I made the comment about how I broke my arm because I’m aware of what you were asking and why–yes, I’ve got the low-digit ratio. Enough so that I like to spend my Saturdays in the autumn hunting. Only now I do it from a blind, instead of a tree stand, because walking half a mile with a bone sticking out of your arm is no fucking fun.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 6:54 pm josh

        And both are longer than his dick!

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 11:02 pm whorefinder

        Your mother sucks cocks in hell.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 4:20 pm PetiteOlive

      Omg RD He sounds like an a$$hole and not the good kind of a$$hole either! A poster above mentioned that randomized Alpha acts could be more of a turn on. To the extent that household chores can result in beta-ization depends on the frequency the man does the feminine chores.

      My dad was Alpha as they come and growing up the ONLY time I saw him cook was when my mom had surgery to take out a tumour and she had to be on bed rest for two weeks…..the way he took care of her was the cutest. He made us clean the house but we were still too young to cook so he cooked the entire two weeks, the food of course was one of the most disgusting things we ever ate but neither my mom or us thought he was a sissy for cooking…we just thought the was the best father/husband EVER. When my mom recuperated things went back to normal…..

      Unfortunately my ex-fiance was the opposite of your dude. He loved to cook and do all the feminine chores..all the time….we got into a fight one time when I asked him if he was gay. He also told me his dream was to be a stay-at-home dad. W.T.F. :S

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 4:30 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Yeah, I can see why he’s your ex-fiance. Sheesh. Just reading your story made me go Gobi over here.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 4:33 pm taterearl

        I’m surprised that guy made it to fiance status.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 5:43 pm PetiteOlive

        I dunno, he was the kind of guy my family and friends thought would be good for me….the ying to my yang. I had masculine personality traits, not going to lie, and I am working on them now, but I was opinionated, dominating, had to have my way, assertive, challenged people… etc. so everyone just thought that he would be my perfect compliment. I guess I should have known it was not going to work when I cried the entire day after he proposed. Until I started frequently CH, I used to think something was wrong with me because my friends made it seem that I was the luckiest woman alive, to have a guy who was happy to go shopping with me, happy to cook for me and happy to do domesticated shores and give in to my every wimp (no matter how absurd) they thought hit the jackpot but towards the end….I just couldn’t. The more I pushed him expecting him to ‘man up’ the more he would not. But when he got really really drunk, he would start insulting me and calling me all different versions of Biyatch. It even made me lose more respect when i realized he did not have the guts to call me out on stuff until DAYS/or WEEKS later when he was hammered.

        This is why I am now learning how to be more domesticated and adapt more traditional feminine traits.I am sure he would make some girl happy someday. I think he is a great individual all things considered and wish him the best but he was just way to soft for me.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 5:52 pm taterearl

        “I am sure he would make some girl happy someday.”

        You won’t say it but I will.

        He isn’t going to make any girl happy…well except his mother.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 7:07 pm yaser

        This adds to what i thought previously, that masculine women need hypermasculine men.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 7:17 pm Entitled Dos user

        Google Blackdragon “three types of women” for a different perspective.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 7:33 pm yaser

        Thx for the tip. So you regard the guy as a beta, and her as an… independent? Or?

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 8:03 pm Entitled Dos user

        Well I don’t really know her, but dominant came to my mind from what she wrote. As Blackdragon wrote, dominants can be feminine. Being dominant doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with the masculine-feminine axis, because it can just as easily be conceptualised as feminine control-freakiness.

        Perhaps a lot of women evolved to dominate a man, to make him serve as a slave, while the woman’s sexual desire is fulfilled by random alphas (which would lead to cuckolding). It’s just a strategy you’d expect to evolve in some women, maybe even most of them since betas are so common and alphas rare.

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      • on February 1, 2013 at 4:01 am yaser

        Thanks.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 10:21 pm PetiteOlive

        Read blackdragon’s types….based on what he wrote (barring any self assessment bias) I would say I was (and trying not to be) an independent with dominant tendencies. I do not derive pleasure in controlling…but I do want things to go my way. I am naturally a pacifist so normally shy away from drama unless my schedule is tempered with. My unwillingness to accommodate others’ schedule and offer some compromise is something I am working on. I am independent in the sense that I often have a lot of things on the go and generally happier when doing things alone. I guess it is because it takes away from the having to negotiate and/or compromise with someone else on how and when something is done. I wish I was naturally more submissive but I am not sure how to be especially when I am not being negatively reinforced, I just want or hope I can find someone who can stand up to me and make me want to compromise and be all sub! 😦

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      • on February 1, 2013 at 4:04 am yaser

        Honest question: Why?

        Personaly, i take that it makes for a better dynamic, but im taking the chance to ask a woman:

        Why would an independent woman strive to change her ways into becoming submissive, rather than find a hypermasculine man? What are the insentives, why didn’t your old ways work?

        Thanks. And good job.

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      • on February 1, 2013 at 12:43 pm PetiteOlive

        Because I am not sure if I want “Hypermasculine” per se as they tend to cheat more and leave you when you are 40 for someone half your age. Ideally I think I would suit a higher Beta. He would possess some Alpha traits mainly the realm of being very confident and protective, but without the “dark triads” mainly narcissism and deviancy. I think also as part of self growth it is good to learn some submissiveness. I know I would never be Asian bride submissive levels, but anything less dominant than the way I naturally am is a step in progress!

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 5:27 pm Lily

        “I do not derive pleasure in controlling…but I do want things to go my way.”

        This means you’re a control freak. Many feminist women are control freaks; they can’t trust a man enough to let go. But men with a dominant streak know how to break such women and make them let go of their controlling ways. If a woman wants to stay with such a man, she’d have to learn to trust him and let him lead her, and I don’t just mean in the bedroom, in case that’s what you’re thinking. 🙂

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 5:29 pm Lily

        “Why would an independent woman strive to change her ways into becoming submissive, rather than find a hypermasculine man?”

        A hypermasculine man will expect her submit to him if she wants to stay with him, so either way she’d have to tone it down and let go of her control-freak ways.

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 5:22 pm Lily

        “This is why I am now learning how to be more domesticated and adapt more traditional feminine traits.”

        The first thing you have to do is learn to close your legs, then the rest will follow. Legs closure has very feminine effects on women. 🙂

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 5:53 pm yaser

        haha, first time i hear it, but it makes sense.

        If you can’t attract guys with sex, then you have to use other tactics!

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 6:21 pm NL

        Yaser, it’s not really what I meant. I meant that if she wants to become more feminine, domesticated, and adopt a more womanly aura about her, she needs to stop having casual sex.

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 5:53 pm FuriousFerret

        “Ideally I think I would suit a higher Beta. He would possess some Alpha traits mainly the realm of being very confident and protective, but without the “dark triads” mainly narcissism and deviancy.”

        That’s not a greater beta. You are asking for an alpha with the right mix of beta qualities without any of the downsides (for a woman anyway) of alphadom.

        So basically you want what every other woman wants. Good job there you unique snowflake.

        I really hope for your sake you are comparable to magazine models and work no your personality.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 5:33 pm Entitled Dos user

        House dad or corporate whore, which is gayer and why?

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 5:49 pm PetiteOlive

        Again IMHO, I think the duration and frequency is something that should be considered. A full time house dad who spends 5-10 years raising the children is gay imo. Why? because men were not suppose to be the ones to stay home and take care of the kids…they were the hunters. A stay at home dad is reversing the evolutionary gender roles.

        A corporate whore may be whoring himself to a bigger giant machine but at least he is providing resources for his family. It will only be gayer if while he was slaving away in order to provide resources, his wife was banging the pool boy.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 7:14 pm Entitled Dos user

        Are you sure it wasn’t the women who spent most of the day foraging berries and doing other necessary shit, while the men were relaxing long-term outside the huts chewing recreational drugs and singing songs after having chilled out for a few hours after the last meal? Wouldn’t that be what you’d expect in a society where men had all the power?

        In a technological society that might translate into men staying home playing video games (while changing the occasional diaper out of compassion) and the women doing all the boring crap people usually do to make a living.

        What I’m really interested in is, is your perspective the only one allowed to you by your nature or could you trick yourself into having twat tingles for a parasite of the above sort if you re-conceptualised him as something else (or he did it for you discreetly and convincingly enough)? I guess it boils down to what kind of men the social environment considers worthy of respect (which is different from what it considers “good for you”, as in your original message), and how independent minded the woman is.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 7:34 pm Sacred&Profane

        Men staying home and playing video games while the women do all the boring crap people do to make a living won’t work unless the man has a reason to keep the woman with him and providing the income. Playing video games isn’t alpha enough for that.

        It might be as simple as fixing the toilet or the car when it’s broken, but he’s got to have something in his toolkit that makes him a man.

        And also male solidarity. Society could work great if men are doing high status activities that don’t pay well and living off of the work of women. But the fun is ruined by one guy saying “Hey guys, maybe this isn’t fair.”

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 11:01 pm Entitled Dos user

        Isn’t “doing what you want” manly enough? What if you replaced video games with painting and the translation of poetry? Basically you’d be the dude in the infamous Marie Claire article “Why I Left My Beta Husband”. I mean the stay at home dad she ended up falling in love with after leaving her previous stay at home dad, the difference between the two men being that their attitudes were different. The one she left wanted to be a corporate whore or some such but couldn’t find work, whereas the one she respects and loves preferred staying home with the kids and his hobbies, which is what he consequently did.

        I’m sure a guy gets dating value points for being a “winner”, but what if you could re-define what being a winner means in your life and make a convincing case for your lack of enthusiasm for the paths you didn’t take?

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      • on February 1, 2013 at 8:55 am White Woman

        Men doing childcare and housework tasks is one of the most sexually unattractive things I can think of.

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    • on February 1, 2013 at 12:02 pm Canadian Friend

      A man who does not help when you have a broken arm or you are sick is an ass hole.

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    • on February 4, 2013 at 5:19 pm Lily

      “Not only did he refuse to help out, he picked a fight with me about how dirty the place was getting.”

      If he didn’t want to do the cleaning himself while you were sick is one thing, but picking a fight with you and making you feel inadequate about the cleanliness situation when you can’t really do much about it until you heal is very selfish. I don’t think he really loved you. His took out his frustration on you because he didn’t really care. He couldn’t even fake consideration for you. You did the right thing ending it.

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  33. on January 31, 2013 at 3:10 pm Annie

    I agree things are best when men are men and women are women. Certainly men are better at labor (yard work, etc.) just because they’re stronger…but I’m not convinced that women are always better at cooking, cleaning, etc. than men are.

    What I will say is that gender roles, whether biological or sociological, definitely contribute. I’ll admit I feel very “feminine” when I, for example, cook a meal for someone. Whether this is a result of some natural yearning to care for others, or just something I’ve been conditioned to feel, again, I don’t know.

    That said, I wouldn’t necessarily be instantly turned off if I saw a guy cooking or cleaning. If he was humming and wearing a frilly apron, that’s a different story, but I wouldn’t be opposed to a guy helping out if he wanted-that might even attract me, making me feel loved since he’s considering what (I think) needs to get done.

    I think the problem is that lots of guys who do “woman’s work” forget to act “manly” when they do that and other things…and if they’re not making their woman feel womanly, too, then there’s absolutely no attraction.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 3:18 pm Georgia Boy

      About that second sentence, that doesn’t have to be true to make Heartiste correct, see Comparative Advantage, Law of.

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  34. on January 31, 2013 at 3:23 pm gunslingergregi

    Annie

    I agree things are best when men are men and women are women. Certainly men are better at labor (yard work, etc.) just because they’re stronger…but I’m not convinced that women are always better at cooking, cleaning, etc. than men are.
    ””””””””’
    i’ll agree that men can probably do everything better than a woman can if he wanted to compete with her

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  35. on January 31, 2013 at 3:33 pm gunslingergregi

    i guess i should say that i have never dealt with living with a woman who had a job working for someone else so yea i guess that could make a diference.

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  36. on January 31, 2013 at 3:34 pm Ronin

    Hahaha! -Just very, very clever & funny writing! -cosmic cock & celestial snatch. roflroflroflrofl

    At The Minimum, Paragraphs 4,5,6 and your final sentence, should be shouted from the podium at a John Gray seminar after you punch his lights out, and “Imagine The Fire” from The Dark Knight Rises Soundtrack, plays in the background.

    MUAHAHAHAHA!

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    • on February 1, 2013 at 1:09 am Corsair

      I just read paragraphs 4,5,6 and the final sentence out loud with “Imagine the Fire” playing in the background, and it was Epic. Hats off to you, sir.

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      • on February 2, 2013 at 2:44 am Ronin

        Great movie+soundtrack, eh!?

        ITF and “The Imperial March” from Star Wars remind me abit of one of the original epics: “Mars” from Gustav Holst’s, “The Planets”.

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  37. on January 31, 2013 at 3:45 pm DdR

    Question for the guys in relationships here: do you still go out and game?

    I’ve been in a relationship for 10 months. Girl’s a winner in every aspect and has fallen head over heels for me primarily because I apply the advice from this website in our daily interactions. I love her too.

    I will add, though, that I miss going out to a bar, approaching a hot girl, and running game. It was exciting, I got to booze hard, run cigarette game, and maybe get a lay.

    I also know that my game skills are getting rusty. While they don’t need to be sharply honed to make the girl very happy and submissive, I still fear that they’ll atrophy too far without regular practice.

    So, do you guys in relationships still make it a habit to go out there and game? Do you wingman? I went out once to game and ended up hooking up with a hot 20-year-old. Once the game locomotive with a hot girl got going I couldn’t stop.

    I didn’t feel guilty afterwards, but don’t want to lose my girl, hence my apprehension on going out specifically to game.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 6:52 pm Simon Corso

      Yes, game always and forever.

      It is your continued ability to attract and seduce new women that will keep your LTR glued to to you. You don’t have to cheat if you don’t want to but you must know –not think– KNOW that you can.

      Make no mistake, letting your game dull is a sure ticket to loneliness, and Betaville.

      Your girl fell for a player. Don’t let her convince you that she wants a beta, even if she believes it , she doesn’t.

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    • on February 2, 2013 at 12:54 pm driveallnight

      I just flirt with and “friendzone” hot waitresses, shop girls, etc. right in front of my gf. Their reaction is a dhv, plus it often puts the gf into mate-guarding mode.

      Dread, aka the defensive crouch. It’s what great bj’s are made of.

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 5:54 pm Lily

        It’s actually a turn on when you see your man flirting with other girls who go completely gaga over him, and unless he isn’t taking them home, I don’t mind him doing it from time to time. I actually like it. I flirt too, but in more subtle ways than him. It’s a form of validation and I think both sexes need it at times.

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  38. on January 31, 2013 at 3:51 pm gunslingergregi

    wait no had two chicks with full time jobs and i still didn’t do any cleaning

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  39. on January 31, 2013 at 3:51 pm whorefinder

    As always, what women say that they want and what they actually want are very far apart.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 4:05 pm Jason

      And as always, what whorefinder says he wants (women) and what he actually wants (gay black men) are even *further* apart.

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      • on January 31, 2013 at 5:03 pm whorefinder

        Aw, ain’t that cute. Sweetheart’s mancrush has turned him into a stalker.

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  40. on January 31, 2013 at 4:13 pm RappaccinisDaughter

    O/T, please forgive, but if you guys aren’t reading The Last Psychiatrist, you’re really missing out.

    http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/01/no_self-respecting_woman_would.html

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 5:11 pm Flavia

      Awesome! Thanks for giving this guy some attention- I recently read that polemic and was so impressed. I love the deconstruction of our purely outward based society (when not made from a whiny beta bitch or feminazi).

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  41. on January 31, 2013 at 4:42 pm 3rd Millenium Men

    Hahaha. Awesome. This is why you remain the super-heavyweight undisputed, undefeated King of the Manosphere.

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  42. on January 31, 2013 at 4:43 pm lyle

    “It won’t matter whether it’s a primarily correlational or causal force which accounts for the reality of this particular intrinsic sex-based dynamic. If you are a man interested in sparking your flailing marriage and reigniting your wife’s dying lust, and you have come here to the Chateau for guidance, I will tell you to put down the vacuum and laundry detergent and take up the power tools and lawn mower.”

    Mmmm. Not quite. Whether its correlation or causation makes a slightly bigger difference than that. You assume that if one of these men just put down the mop, he’d start getting more sex. That isn’t necessarily valid if it’s correlation rather than causation.

    More and more, I think men unwilling to examine the possibility of correlation are burying some ugly truths themselves. Specifically, one men and women alike used to know, but both deny desperately these days: that women don’t really enjoy sex that much. And that the more freedom you give a woman, the less she will want sex. Naturally, it follows that a woman who is still willing to do the housework her husband wants, despite the times telling her she doesn’t have to (either because her husband is quite dominant or she is quite submissive), she will also be more likely to obey his other desires, such as sex.

    So, correlation v causation does make a big difference. Because in some cases of correlation, putting down the mop won’t do a thing – the man either needs to become more dominant in all ways, or find a more submissive girl.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 11:40 pm feministx

      “that women don’t really enjoy sex that much. ”

      You make a great point actually. I hate having sex with my current boyfriend and I hated having sex with 1 of my ex boyfriends. I still fucked them every day though. Female sexual willingness is not actually necessarily correlated with female sexual desire.

      It is likely that women who do more housework also make less money and are therefore more beholden to what their husbands want. You want a new car? Better fuck the breadwinner because you can’t get one yourself.

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  43. on January 31, 2013 at 5:08 pm Humpty Dumpty « Hidden Leaves

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  44. on January 31, 2013 at 5:09 pm nothingbutathought

    of course a man shouldnt be doing that pointless busywork … question is should his woman either? i always thought anyone of any gender who wants their spouse doing tons of pointless busywork doesnt trust their spouse and is just trying to keep them busy. ive always just planned to hire a maid because theres things id rather my wife be doing (working out, staying fit and hot, catering to me sexually and emotionally) than housework.

    is there some problem with this im not seeing?

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 5:34 pm Sarah

      Granted it would be different if we had a full time maid, but we have a cleaning woman come twice a week and there is still a lot for me to do everyday. I vacuum, sweep and mop the kitchen, and scrub the countertops every evening, make the beds every morning, pick up toys after we put our kids to bed, and I usually end up doing laundry a couple of times a week. I realize it’s a lot less than some have to do and I’ll be the first one to admit that I’m lucky enough to have more free time then most, but I do work hard to keep our house in order. Though because I realize how lucky I am, I do also spend a lot of time working out and doing little extra things that make my husbands life easier.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 7:21 pm yaser

      I’m no veteran here, but I’m thinking the same way. I rather have my wife reading articles about health, anti-feminism and other stuff that makes her become a better wife, and a better mother.

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  45. on January 31, 2013 at 5:12 pm thebechtloff

    Scalzied. I love it. That guy is such a twat thanks for coining this term.

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  46. on January 31, 2013 at 5:27 pm Lysander Spooner

    Don’t marry and don’t let teh wimminz live with you.

    If you have kids, get custody.

    Eff the fems.

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 7:22 pm yaser

      Sounds like you got a problem controlling them.

      Can’t argue with the 2nd line though.

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  49. on January 31, 2013 at 6:12 pm Stuki

    And, whatever you do, don’t forget the corollary: DO the manly tasks, the handyman stuff. Otherwise she will have to hire someone else to do it in front of her…………………….

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    • on January 31, 2013 at 7:23 pm yaser

      +1

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  50. on January 31, 2013 at 6:39 pm gunslingergregi

    just got my haircut and shaved by my naked chick it was hot

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  51. on January 31, 2013 at 6:55 pm Maria Smith

    This is a very interesting post. I kinda agree with it! I do most of the cleaning in my home, though sometimes I call in a green cleaning service. Maybe that’s a good compromise for our marriage ;).

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  53. on January 31, 2013 at 7:35 pm jack sprat

    My wife satisfies my sexual needs whether the house is clean or not, because that’s how I roll. Housework is a separate matter entirely.

    Sometimes I’ll help with it, depending on mood and energy level. If I get the sense that she’s beginning to feel too entitled to me helping out, I’ll leave and say “that bathroom better be white-glove ready when I get back or it’s the belt for you.”

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  54. on January 31, 2013 at 7:43 pm MII

    scalzied–That’s fucking hilarious!

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  55. on January 31, 2013 at 8:10 pm the fauvist

    The evidence just keeps piling up, doesn’t it? Seriously, scientific studies confirming game happens like clockwork…and the feminists can’t do anything but whine and pout, because the truth hurts. Excellent.

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  56. on January 31, 2013 at 8:11 pm Obstinance Works

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/21625687/dan-marino-admits-to-fathering-child-outside-marriage

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  57. on January 31, 2013 at 9:25 pm judgybitch

    Ooh, I took this study and ran with it! Jezebel mocked the data in a post called: What chores will get a man laid?

    See that? Sex is something WOMEN give to MEN in exchange for MEN doing whatever shit WOMEN think is necessary.

    Good dog.

    Doesn’t that make sex coereced?

    Don’t we have a word for coerced sex?

    I think we do!

    You can read my take at http://www.judgybitch.com

    Hope it’s OK to post a link without asking first.

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    • on February 2, 2013 at 4:15 am Reggie

      Nice to see you here you Judgy Bitch. Your handle kind of reminds me of Judge Judy.

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  58. on January 31, 2013 at 11:03 pm Anon

    Thanks for the tweet. “Gods of the copybook headings” is a fucking must-read.

    Almost as good as CH.

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  59. on January 31, 2013 at 11:36 pm feministx

    I hate housework. I cannot imagine how me having to do more housework would get any man laid more often.

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    • on February 2, 2013 at 4:34 am Reggie

      You’ll have to do more housework emptying all that cat litter.

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      • on February 3, 2013 at 9:24 am feministx

        If the world really operated the way this blog said it should, someone like me would never be with a man. Yet somehow, I am never without one.

        [Heartiste: Are you ugly?]

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      • on February 3, 2013 at 6:40 pm feministx

        Am I ugly? Honestly, I do not know. According to you, women have an innate sense of how they compare. I don’t know why you think this. I am very used to seeing myself, so I am not able to be objective about how I look. I really do not know how ugly or pretty I am.

        [Heartiste: I don’t know what you look like, but the only way for your assertion — that your ability to land a BF disproves CH principles — to have merit is if you are an ugly woman who managed to land a high quality man. Even then… the existence of such a rare abnormal flux in the core generator would only serve to reinforce the validity of the rule.]

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 12:59 pm maldek

        A woman who does not at least state that she is “average or a little above it” is – from my experience – overweight and ugly. If her nick comes with a “feminist” pre-fix it is almost certain.

        Feminism is an invention of ugly women to give them a chance versus their cute fellow girlies.

        If people are fooled to believe the inner value and the outer look can be seperated, the ugly chick may claim to have at least a valuable inner self, hidden deep below the wobble.

        I perfer the ancient saying: “Mens sana in corporae sano”
        (google, if you are not familiar with it – there is wisdom in these words)

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      • on February 4, 2013 at 9:08 pm feministx

        “Even then… the existence of such a rare abnormal flux in the core generator would only serve to reinforce the validity of the rule.]”

        There are clearly millions of examples of ugly women landing ostensibly high quality men-

        [Heartiste: No there aren’t.]

        Teresa Heinz Kerry (did it twice), Melinda Gates, the majority of women all CEOs are married to.

        [What do the mistresses of these CEOs look like?]

        However, you simply explain away all these data points by assuming that every seemingly high quality man who is with an ugly woman is “beta” and therefore undesirable.

        [Many of these high value men married when their wives were younger, tighter, hotter. Then, too, there is the little issue of defining “high value” as it pertains to men. Bill Gates is a billionaire, but he is also a socially maladroit nerdling. The latter can outright kill the advantage of having the former.]

        Why is there a universe? no answer, therefore God made it.

        [What happened before the big bang?]

        Is that logic or a convenient excuse to rely on?

        {Kathy Bates once said on a talk show that despite her fame and riches she had trouble finding a man to love her. Now I wonder why that would be?]

        Why are there rich handsome men with ugly wives?

        [False premise. And misleading premise. Try again.]

        no answer,

        [I gave you answers above. You just don’t want to hear them. Then why do I bother? Because you are serving as an example for the others.]

        therefore they are beta and not truly desirable according to rules which you have made.

        [I don’t make the rules. That’s the job of the god of biomechanics.]

        Rules that you can’t actually verify internally because you have no vagina, so how would you know?

        [You write like a psychopath devoid of any concept of empathy.]

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      • on February 5, 2013 at 4:04 pm Lily

        “Why are there rich handsome men with ugly wives?”

        You never see such a thing. The richer the man, the more beautiful the wife. There might be very few exceptions for extenuating reasons, but it’s almost as accurate as a mathematical equation.

        All men want beautiful women. Even a beta male without much success in life still wants the most beautiful woman his status will fetch. Therefore, a high-status man like a superstar, a tycoon, or any type of celebrity (provided he isn’t gay or bi) will date/marry women who are much younger than him and super beautiful. His status makes it easier for him to fetch the crème de la crème. So why would a high-status male settle for his middle-aged counterpart ? Some women can’t exercise common sense, is why.

        This works in women too to some degree. Women with high-paying careers or who are highly educated, are more likely to divorce men of lesser status. The only way their relationship might work is if the guy is very alpha in spite of his lower financial or academic status. If he dominates his wife and makes her swoon sexually, she won’t leave him. She’ll respect him. Women don’t leave men they respect.

        Anyway, from your comments lately you appear unsatisfied with your man. Why don’t you leave that relationship and move on? Other than his money keeping you around, what else is there? Is it worth being unhappy for money? You only live once, so you better make it a happy one. I think you need a new set of values…..

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      • on February 5, 2013 at 5:55 pm Maldek

        “Women don’t leave men they respect. ”

        These are words of wisdom.
        Can you imagine how good your posting had been, if it had consisted of this single sentence only?

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      • on February 5, 2013 at 8:19 pm feministx

        “What do the mistresses of these CEOs look like?”

        Probably like the 34 yr old accountant that works in their office.

        [Heartiste: Still beats their 55 year old wives.]

        “Many of these high value men married when their wives were younger, tighter, hotter”

        And many of the high quality men in the world are still married to their aging fattening wives.

        [Divorce theft has a way of cramping an alpha male’s style.]

        Many of them are probably faithful to them.

        [And many not.]

        I am not sure why you think reality is otherwise other than that you want to think it is.

        [You sound a bit churlish in this comment. Did I get to you?]

        Looks to me like the world contains loads of plain looking women with men I would consider attractive at least.

        [You need glasses.]

        I would be basically attracted to a tall, well educated, well built and successful guy.

        [What woman wouldn’t? That doesn’t mean you’ve got a shot.]

        I see many such men with women who are nothing special in terms of looks.

        [You notice them because of their rarity. And because you prefer to notice them. That hamster’s gotta feed, after all.]

        Those girls aren’t very overweight or anything, but they are no head turners either. Just regular SWPL types.

        [You’re blathering.]

        “[You write like a psychopath devoid of any concept of empathy.]”

        You write like a more eloquent incarnation of the same.

        [At least I’ve got truth on my side. Seriously.]

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  60. on February 1, 2013 at 12:08 am DavidVS

    I’ll share a househusband secret.

    The husband can do any housework. But it shoud be without her asking and when she is not watching.

    Imagine your wife is exhausted and needs a nap, and when she wakes up is surprised that the laundry is folded and the dishwasher is emptied. She calls her husband “magic” not “serving me”. Sexy!

    Do those same chores while she is watching? Not sexy, probably comforting.

    Do those same chores while she is watching, because she just asked you to do them? Not sexy, probably not comforting.

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    • on February 1, 2013 at 6:53 am Annie

      I agree with this 100%.

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    • on February 1, 2013 at 3:34 pm maldek

      Violates the first rule of Maldek. Not recommended.

      —-
      The rules of Maldek

      1) Do not do any work, you can have someone else do as good or better than you. And I mean it.

      2) If work has to be done, and nobody else can do it, then YOU do it – no matter what.

      3) When other people do your dirty work, always make sure to give approval. A “well done” at the right time gets you a looong way.
      —

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  61. on February 1, 2013 at 12:09 am dannyfrom504

    i have a better idea- earn my own money, hire cleaning woman twice a month at $40 a session, learn game and get laid anyway.

    winsauce me.

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  62. on February 1, 2013 at 3:17 am Mr. Pointyface

    Oooh, is that chore I did DOMINANT enough? Am I projecting the right amount of ALPHA ATTITUDE that women REQUIRE for their sacred snatches, because fucking a dim-witted slut is the greatest thing in my life?

    What a bunch of conformist, goosestepping while looking at each other in formation, unimaginative pussy slave comments.

    Bores.

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    • on February 1, 2013 at 4:15 am yaser

      Why do you have a dim-witted slut in your house?

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      • on February 2, 2013 at 4:37 am Reggie

        They are the best kind of slut to keep around. Better than a dim witted bitch.

        Slut – Fucks anyone
        Bitch – Fucks anyone but you.

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  63. on February 1, 2013 at 4:45 am Juann Strauss

    It’s quite logical really: a woman is sexy when she bends over to clean out the dustpan. A man -not so much.

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  64. on February 1, 2013 at 8:41 am Anon

    On a related note, has anyone heard of Suzanne Venker? An attractive, articulate woman makes a conservative argument, and…you know the rest. http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2013/02/suzanne_venker_s_how_to_choose_a_husband_reviewed.single.html.

    I’d like to see CH wax poetic about this. It’s refreshing to see happy, good looking, sane females making smart but unpopular arguments…on the other hand, the liberal media (Slate, Stephen Colbert) can do no better than to make a mockery of it.

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  65. on February 1, 2013 at 9:29 am Rollo Tomassi

    Choreplay 2008 – http://www.today.com/id/23015839/?GT1=10856#.UQvQUlqb_vh

    Choreplay 2013 – http://todayhealth.today.com/_news/2013/01/30/16758810-husbands-who-do-her-chores-have-less-sex-study-finds?lite

    Both by the same author, Diane Mapes. If you need better evidence of the machinations of the Feminine Imperative I don’t know of a more graphic example.

    2008: “Fem-Up do the housework and your wife will wanna fuck you more.”
    2013: “Man-Up you fuckin’ pussies! Do the yardwork and your wife will wanna fuck you more.”

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  66. on February 1, 2013 at 10:30 am Trimegistus

    As I said over at Athol’s place, be the guy who helps out because you’re so awesome and your woman is overwhelmed — not the guy who washes dishes for sex. Clean to your own standard and then stop. If she isn’t satisfied, hand her the cleaning bucket.

    And, yes, dividing up the jobs so that you handle the Man’s Work is definitely the best option. Anyone can vacuum, but only a strong man can split wood or put a new roof on the garage.

    And if you hire someone, it’s your golden opportunity to stir up some competition: make sure the cleaning lady is young, pretty, and if at all possible, single. And YOU’re the one who pays her.

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    • on February 3, 2013 at 10:12 am maldek

      Good advice indeed. I am doing the exact same thing and it works well. It is even possible to escalate to a FB relationship with said maid AND get the reward for having your wife on her toes at the same time.

      Requires some experience to handle but well worth the effort.

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  67. on February 1, 2013 at 11:21 am Tartarus

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    • on February 2, 2013 at 4:44 am Reggie

      +1

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  68. on February 1, 2013 at 12:28 pm Sidewinder

    What about single guys and their level of neatness? I’m not talking about doing the chores in front of the girlfriend or other prospects, but I really do prefer to walk into a neat and clean home. I try to keep my place picked up. I hope chicks don’t find that faggy, but i feel much more relaxed when I come home to a clean and neat house at the end of the day.

    On the one hand, a clean and neat house plays to my strengths (older, professional, nice things, not prole). On the other hand, maybe a chick’s hamster would rather see a messy place and start to think about all the ways she could shape me up? Maybe there’s a benefit to appearing as a “diamond in the rough” to chicks?

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  69. on February 1, 2013 at 1:18 pm Prof. Woland

    heartiste – what is the research for hiring a maid? for me it is just cheaper to get help in twice a week to mop the floors. the ironic thing is that my wife still fusses over the house and she still complains when I make a mess. in fact, it escalates the pressure to keep the house clean. my wife is russian. they are notorious about being neat freaks in a way that most american women never are. I always stay somewhat aloof about the house keeping, it simply matters more to her than me and i don’t pretend otherwise.

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  70. on February 1, 2013 at 1:18 pm Matthew King (King A)

    [Tweet]:

    Scalzied is similar to being afflicted with palsy. The body & mind contort to accommodate delusional pablum.

    Pffft. I hold copyright on the term Scalzied. And it means being hectored and censored by sissies and their mobs who derive a sense of self-righteousness through moderator power, and who then congratulate themselves for an elevated tone.

    [Heartiste: How about that consilience! FYI, (not that this matters in the universal scheme), I did not read your comment before writing this post. We came up with the bastardization independently. Also FYI, I prefer my definition. But yours is swell too.]

    I get Scalzied a lot (I can’t imagine why). Which is fine. But the idea that blocking sharp criticism is the equivalent of responding to it/handling it properly is deeply delusional. As if everyone who disagrees with with you is the equivalent of spam. It is (or used to be) the strength of this site’s commentary — haters get as much say as they need, and trolls are handled in-house by superior wordplay/fisking (see the recent post “Stop Amnesty Now”) rather than with a “loving mallet of correction” (i.e., the admission of rhetorical powerlessness).

    Matt

    [Some trolls embed worthy debate points, intentionally or not, that coax response. Most trolls don’t. And even a stirring counterattack will not move the troll one iota away from his/her troll campaign. That is why I rely on ridicule for most of my dirty work.]

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    • on February 1, 2013 at 2:03 pm Matthew King (King A)

      That is why I rely on ridicule for most of my dirty work.

      Also … because you can. You have a flair for rhetoric that most moderators lack, so you can afford to give the haters enough rope to hang themselves/tie them up in knots with other commenters before coming in with the killing blow.

      Scalzi is the preeminent example of the opposite. He also has a facility with language, but his pussy ideology is too insecure to let it speak for him. He overcompensates with banning. Nearly all of the other moderators/authors fall somewhere in between — they can only handle the mildest criticism, they misunderstand the enormous power of ignoring, and their only recourse is to secretly manipulate the conversation.

      Matt

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    • on February 1, 2013 at 5:49 pm Kate

      There, see? The two of you could be brothers. Family hug! Those people seem to have a peculiar obsession with furry animals. Now wipe that moat water off your shoes. The proper place for a king is in a castle.

      If you can keep your head when all about you
      Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
      If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
      But make allowance for their doubting too:
      If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
      Or, being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
      Or being hated don’t give way to hating,
      And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise;

      If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
      If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim,
      If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
      And treat those two impostors just the same:.
      If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
      Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
      Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
      And stoop and build’em up with worn-out tools;

      If you can make one heap of all your winnings
      And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
      And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
      And never breathe a word about your loss:
      If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
      To serve your turn long after they are gone,
      And so hold on when there is nothing in you
      Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on!”

      If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
      Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
      If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
      If all men count with you, but none too much:
      If you can fill the unforgiving minute
      With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
      Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
      And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

      – Rudyard Kipling

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  71. on February 2, 2013 at 9:44 am geldedus

    of course correlation is not causation: if the divorce rate is lower in couples with traditional views on marriage, it is BECAUSE they have traditional views on divorce too

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  72. on February 3, 2013 at 8:50 pm Kira

    Bahahahah this is garbage, I’d prefer an equal relationship because I have NO desire to have sex with anyone who thinks :men should be “men” and women should be “women” (read: slaves).

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    • on February 4, 2013 at 6:31 am maldek

      …and thats why your only male pleasure needs bateries. If not now, wait a few years and you will see.

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  73. on February 4, 2013 at 9:13 am Housework | Heal Britannia

    […] Athol Kay — “MAN CLEAN. WOMAN LIKE. SEX NOW.” CH — “This House is Clean (And Sex-Free)“ […]

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  74. on February 4, 2013 at 8:43 pm Scalzied « Jim’s Blog

    […] Author John Scalzi’s propensity for terrified whimpering grovelling before leftists has led Heartiste to coin a new word “Scalzied”: […]

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  75. on February 6, 2013 at 1:02 am Lightning Round – 2013/02/06 « Free Northerner

    […] Science: Men, don’t do housework. […]

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  76. on February 12, 2013 at 12:14 am Peace, Love, and Beta Males: A Churchian Story | The Karamazov Idea

    […] less political, less dogmatic, and more willing to accept its own faults. Women also say they want men to wash dishes, buy them drinks, and submit to them. One should not confuse professed desires with innate desires […]

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  77. on March 15, 2013 at 4:38 pm Peg U. | Gucci Little Piggy

    […] As readers here know, some male feminists have taken it beyond just the sensual pleasure a man might experience.  A man who lets his woman penetrate him with a dildo can become a feminist ally and a better lover.  Didn’t they say something like this about chores? If men begin to help out around the house more, their women will love them, and sex will flow free as a mountain river.  How’s that working out? […]

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  78. on March 19, 2013 at 4:11 am Die “männliche Schlampe” | Alles Evolution

    […] einem Kommentar bei Heartiste habe ich das Folgende gelesen, was ich als Gedanken ganz interessant […]

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  79. on April 1, 2013 at 7:04 am D Michael McIntyre

    So what’s a married man to do when his wife’s cooking is inedible and her housekeeping is slovenly? Other than divorce theft, I mean. Oh wait, I remember. Suicide. That’s right.

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