We’ll just begin this post with a preen.
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ *self-love* ♥♥♥♥♥♥ *self-love* *self-love* ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
Ah, that’s better.
Wait. Did you hear that? Someone out there thinks this preen invalidates the science that is about to follow. What a strange duck that person is.
Pick-up artists have a term called compliance, which is a game tactic designed to raise a man’s value relative to the woman’s value, and to gauge a woman’s interest level. The concept is simple: You make a request of a girl, and if she complies you know that she is attracted to you. Furthermore, the very act of complying with your request will cause her to feel more attracted to you.
Compliance techniques can be physical or verbal. The verbal forms are known as “hoops”, as in “jump through your hoops”. For instance, raising your hand and gesturing for a girl to grab it and twirl is a physical compliance test. Asking her to watch your drink as you take a bathroom break, or to participate in a mind game of your choosing, are verbal hoops.
Compliance is a powerful seduction technique, for two reasons: One, it is grounded in an accurate appraisal of human, and particularly female, psychology and, two, it is so rarely used by men (and so frequently deployed by women) that the man who co-opts it for himself is immediately more alluring to women.
While there appears to be no scientific study directly measuring the effect of female compliance on a man’s desirability, there has been an analogous study examining how labor compliance affects people’s feelings of love for the objects of their labor. It’s called the “IKEA Effect”, and the study concluded:
In a series of studies in which consumers assembled IKEA boxes, folded origami, and built sets of Legos, we demonstrate and investigate the boundary conditions for what we term the “IKEA effect” – the increase in valuation of self-made products. Participants saw their amateurish creations – of both utilitarian and hedonic products – as similar in value to the creations of experts, and expected others to share their opinions. […]
Adding to previous literature on effort justification, we also show that successful completion is an essential component for the link between labor and liking to emerge; participants who built and then unbuilt their creations, or were not permitted to finish those creations, did not show an increase in willingness-to-pay. In addition, our experiments addressed several possible alternative IKEA Effect explanations for the increased valuation that people hold for their own creations. We show that successful assembly of products leads to value over and above the value that arises from merely being endowed with a product, or merely handling that product; in addition, by using simple IKEA boxes and Lego sets that did not permit customization, we demonstrated that the IKEA effect does not arise solely as a result of participants’ idiosyncratic tailoring of their creations to their preferences.
What psychological mechanisms underlie the increase in valuation when participants self-assemble their products? In the introduction, we suggested that the increase in liking that occurs due to effort (Aronson and Mills 1959) coupled with the positive feelings of effectance that accompany successful completion of tasks (Dittmar 1992; Furby 1991) is an important driver of the increase in willingness to pay that we observe. Of course, effectance itself has multiple psychological components: actual control over outcomes and mere perceived control over outcomes (Bandura, 1977). Given that our participants are in “control” by building their own products yet assembling them according to preset instructions (i.e., “not in control”), further exploration of perceived and actual control is likely to lend insight into the IKEA effect. In addition, there are likely additional underlying mechanisms that vary by the type of product being assembled. For instance, the assembly of more hedonic products often results in the opportunity to display one’s creation to others (Franke et al. 2010). Indeed, many of our participants who built Legos and origami in Experiments 1B and 2 mentioned a desire to show them to their friends, suggesting that the increase in willingness-to-pay for hedonic products may arise in part due to the social utility offered by assembling these products. We suggest, however, that social utility is likely to play a more minor role in increased liking for self-assembled utilitarian products like the storage boxes used in Experiments 1A and 3, given that the social IKEA Effect utility gained from displaying products decreases as product complexity decreases (Thompson and Norton, in press). It is also possible that the enjoyment of the assembly task itself is a contributor to the IKEA effect – building Lego frogs is more fun than building storage boxes – such that task enjoyment is another contributor to valuation that varies by product type. Future research is needed to unpack what are likely to be multiple drivers of the IKEA effect.
We note that we used generally small ticket items, and the question of whether the IKEA effect occurs for more expensive items is important both practically and theoretically. While future research should empirically examine the magnitude of overvaluation as a function of price, we suggest that, even for very costly items, people may continue to see the products of their labor as more valuable than others do. For instance, people may see the improvements they have made to their homes – such as the brick walkways they laid by hand – as increasing the value of the house far more than buyers, who see only a shoddily-built walkway. Indeed, to the extent that labor one puts into one’s home reflects one’s own idiosyncratic tastes, such as kitchen tiling behind the sink that quotes bible verses, labor might actually lead to lower valuation by buyers, who see only bible verses that must be expunged – even as that labor leads the owner to raise the selling price.
This is a boffo study with wide-ranging implications for numerous human social dynamics, including the seduction of women. Parsing the academese, what the study says is this:
The more work (labor) you put into a project, the more you will value the outcome of that project, even if objectively the value of your output is not high.
This relates to game. The charismatic tactic of inducing female compliance is essentially the coaxing of women to perform labor on your behalf, and for your benefit. When a woman labors for you, (“Carrie, hold my scarf”), she has invested in you, and her love for her “project” (you) grows commensurate with her degree of labor aka investment. It sounds counterintuitive (Typical Blue Piller: “Why would a woman love a man more if he’s being demanding and she’s being accommodating?”), but that is the nature of male-female mating dances: the reproductive goals of men and women are at odds, so romantic interactions tend to resolve into counterintuitive, even paradoxical, strategies.
And how often have we all seen this strange predilection of female nature play out in real life? Watch any natural/jerk/douchebag/player and you’ll see his lovers bending over backward to please him. And when you ask a girl why she loves the jerk who squeezes blood from her stone, she defends him to the high heavens, much like an IKEA consumer will defend his rickety, self-assembled Nordbox to any who question its actual worth.
This is one reason why artists do so well with women. Though he may not be consciously aware of the biomachinations that fuel his seductive charms, the artist’s “demand” of a woman to “get his work” or “grasp his message” is basically a challenge to her self-valuation, and a challenge that requires of her some mental (or physical) labor to reaffirm. Fashion photographers, the straight ones at least, absolutely clean up with hotties because they put their exquisite models in a constant, elevated state of laborious challenge — do this, move here, drop your chin, look this way, stop looking that way — which heightens their feelings of arousal and love for the photographer. It is akin to the feelings evoked by the psychology of Stockholm Syndrome.
Making demands of women feels very unnatural to beta males because those men have little experience with women beyond that which is acquired by flaunting their ability to provide, sympathy mewl on cue, and show up on time. To beta males, the notion of arousing a woman to dizzying sexual cravings through the conduit of compliance testing is incomprehensible. The beta male invests in women; he knows no other way. The alpha male lures women to invest in him. He knows there is another way.
The more work (labor) you put into a project, the more you will value the outcome of that project, even if objectively the value of your output is not high.
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the Obama effect
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But how does the “Ikea Effect” explain women who view their men as projects to be madeover/changed and then lose attraction when they finally succeed in changing him?
Perhaps women need to continuously labor over a man to value him.
In order words, men should be like crappy pieces of Ikea furniture that constantly fall apart and require continuous, extensive attention. That pretty much sums up why ne’er-do-wells clean up with women, while good guys don’t.
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There should be no end point to a man’s growth. He should continually be taking on new challenges and growing, there’s no “project over!” end-point to hit. The guys who hit that and lose attraction are guys who’ve settled down into a predictable routine that requires no further growth…and no further way for a woman to invest in him.
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Truth
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Hey bro, In a recent FR analysis you mentioned you don’t like doing formal introductions (handshake + name exchange). Why is that? I’ve gone out 5 nights a week for the last year and I do those practically always. Is there a better way to go about it?
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https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/ebook-review-60-years-of-challenge/#comment-407501
It’s not crippling or anything, you’re just wasting an ioi. And if you have to shake hands, at least use it to test compliance and/or escalate kino. Like I’ll pull her through the group to me off the handshake so we’re nose to nose and there’s sexual tension.
It’s basically just a wasteful move if you’re looking to streamline your game and be more efficient. Read the post I linked for more detail.
Oh and it also sets a “formal interaction” frame. If you introduce yourself by teasing her and pulling her in, you’re saying “expect that interacting with me will involve this”. If you formally introduce its like saying “okay time to put on your polite facade and play the role of someone in a polite friendly asexual interaction”.
If you find that you’re having problems with girls not seeing you as sexual and your interactions are kind of friend-zoney stale, this is an area where you can fix that.
But if it works for you, and you can transition from it fine, by all means stick with it.
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Yeah it’s not like that, mostly at least. I generally don’t have problems setting the right frame and once I have her hand I can use it for all kinds of shit. Her having to ask my name is good though. I take it you don’t ask their name either since it would be only natural for them to ask yours immediately after.
Some of the time, especially when it’s early and I’m not in the social headspace my interactions can be really frustrating in the way that I end up asking chode questions, my mind is drawing blank for the most part and the girls don’t reciprocate much so it’s mostly up to me to come up with all the bullshit and hope that I find the right tune and the girls warm up some more.
Maybe it’s just that I’m still in a very logical headspace. Maybe the girls are shy / not drunk and can’t handle it when confident guy comes up to them so they put their defenses on.
It’s usually the forced approaches (OK, I’m here, time to do this, go) are very mechanic in nature. The ones that are super spontaneous (a girls walks by and gives a bit of eye contact, go) are usually the best interactions and I have absolutely no trouble setting the man-to-woman frame from the start and coming up with shit to say.
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“I take it you don’t ask their name either since it would be only natural for them to ask yours immediately after.”
That, and then I’d have to actually remember her name.
“Maybe it’s just that I’m still in a very logical headspace.”
This happens to everyone, especially if you work a soul-sucking anti-social job during the week, like working in an office or something (VS as a bartender where being social is part of your job). Tyler is big on building momentum because he works a lot and is out of it and in a logical headspace when he hits the bar.
The trick is to just find ways to break yourself out of it. Like chatting with people throughout the day (the store clerk on your break, the person serving your lunch, etc.). Sometimes even talking out loud to yourself as you get ready for the bar helps. Chatting with your buddies helps, but cold-approaching is better because it’s more outside your comfort zone and forces your brain to wake up.
Try just approaching with no attempt to pick them up. Just riff off whatever’s on your mind and joke around. Later in the night once you get out of that logical headspace and start having fun, you can focus on gaming.
“Maybe the girls are shy / not drunk and can’t handle it when confident guy comes up to them so they put their defenses on.”
This also happens. Brad (I think) from RSD had a good anecdote where a cute chick approached him to say hi, and he was way out of state and just stuck in that shitty headspace and he kind of froze up and choked and was like “umm hey…” and it got awkward and she left…and he realized even tho she was cute and he’s a flirty guy, he was just a little taken aback at that moment and didn’t know what to do. This is what happens to a lot of girls, especially early in the night…they’re out of state too, so they can come off bitchier or less receptive and you just have to keep plowing and kind of warm them up and get them into state with you.
The cool part about chicks is that they subconsciously understand state, and it’s REALLY easy for them to get into state, because society wants them in state. So when they see eachother they go “EEEEEEKKK!!!! JESSICA!!!! OMG OMG OMG!!!!” and jump up and down and hug eachother and scream. That’s fucking retarded behavior, imagine doing that when you saw your buddy? BUT, they’re ignoring social pressure by causing a scene, they’re changing their physiology, they’re embracing expressing their emotions, etc. They’re basically pumping their own Buying Temperature and getting into state.
Same thing with dancing together when their favorite song comes on, they’ll run out with no one else on the dance floor and shake their asses. Will guys do that? Fuck no, we’re too busy being James Bond and looking cool standing off to the side of the dance floor watching them. Meanwhile, the girls are ignoring social pressure, changing their physiology, etc. They’re getting into state.
Same thing with wearing tiaras and birthday sashes and glowing penises and running around with Stagette lists of goofy shit to do, etc. etc. It’s all based around getting themselves in state…the club is one huge state-fix for them.
So as guys, we have to figure out what helps us get into state. I know guys who dance, I know guys who are overly enthusiastic with their bro-hugs when their buddies show up, I know guys who wear stupid shit to the bar to loosen themselves up, etc. It’s a personal thing, but approaching a few throwaway warm-up sets helps most guys.
“It’s usually the forced approaches (OK, I’m here, time to do this, go) are very mechanic in nature.”
Ya, that’s to be expected. Tyler does an impression of you at 9:39 in this vid. The whole vid is useful:
This is another useful vid on the same topic that might help you:
“The ones that are super spontaneous are usually the best interactions”
Ya, ’cause your brain doesn’t have time to stress over how the interaction will go. You’re responding too fast to build an outcome dependence. It’s why Mystery came up with the “3 Second Rule” back in the day…it’s basically a way of out-smarting your brain lol
Anyway, next gay formal handshake you do, try pulling the girl into you (not stepping into her space, pull her into yours) and put her arms up around your shoulders then your hands on her waist and THEN introduce yourself and ask her name. She might freak out, but even if she does and runs away, you’ll be in state from there. 🙂
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Like how yareally uses the techniques like tools from a toolbox. Manipulate the interaction, don’t just follow the script and get hit in the head like a dummy.
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You raise some interesting points. But when I see, or hear of (or have to deal with) a woman fussing over her “Fix my man” project, I can’t help but think he’s doing something wrong. Remember that women have a deeply-seated need to be told what to do. A woman whose attention is focused on fixing her man lacks outside direction, so she creates it herself, for herself. And a woman fixing her man is creating compliance tests for *him*.
It’s kind of an extension of the principle, discussed here at the Chateau many times before, that women will create for themselves whatever psychological component is lacking in the lives, whether it is an Alpha male (they will construct one made of yoga classes, dog training, and a high-powered career) or relationship drama. If you don’t test a woman’s compliance, she will test yours.
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I don’t think he meant that a woman should try to fix him or change him on her own initiative, like so many women do with their beta males. He meant that she should be kept busy with his shit – taking care of him at his direction.
He’s right up to a point, cuz when a man is also too much work and overly demanding without spending some of his time taking care of his wife’s needs so that she feels he cares about her too, it can leave a woman feeling somewhat frustrated. There has to be a balance. Too much of anything, is too much.
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Wait… What the hell, women have needs? I must need fixing since I’ve been operating on the wrong premise that women are my slaves and surrogates.
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Your fire no longer burns down there. Just getting older, so you need a pussy man instead to feel better about yourself.
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What????
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I agree with your reading of Anon’s original comment above (waaaaay above, viewed on my phone). I would simply add that neither situation – woman fixing man due to a lack of masculine leadership, or woman fixing man due to his being a goddamn train wreck – is healthy for either party, long-term.
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last girl I was with I picked up by telling her to buy me some beer and giving her little slaps in the face (we were in college together) and she fell for me hard (dangerous clingy hard)
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Correct.
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Buy Ikea furniture and get women to build it for me. Got it. This stuff is easy!
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Sofa it sounds good. What in the world did scott do?
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Well thank God you couched that pun in furniture lingo.
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We better table this; it doesn’t have a leg to stand on 🙂
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You’re probably right. Because if “Use a pun, Go to Jail” still holds,
then one of us might end up getting ‘The Chair’.
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I am sofa king out of the picture I don’t understand this at all.
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he he
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Think you can rob banks?
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That’s an unusual compliance test.
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You never answered the question. FAIL!
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It was deliberate 🙂 Catch me if you can!
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You’ll get a spanking now.
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lol you’re on a roll!
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Thanks to the stairmaster, I think its out of my system. lol
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Just don’t end up on the shelf, ladies.
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This is right in line with something described as “The Ben Franklin Effect” at the “You are not so smart” blog. Oh, and the ‘misattribution of arrousal’ post there is freaking gold.
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Link: http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/10/05/the-benjamin-franklin-effect/
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“What they do show is that if a person voluntarily goes through a difficult or a painful experience in order to attain some goal or object, that goal or object becomes more attractive.”
And sluts wonder why they get pumped & dumped if they give up the goods too fast. Sorry Jezebel, it’s not misogyny it’s basic human nature
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On a related note, if a women offers you anything (“I’m at the store, do you want anything?” “want to bring food over?” etc.) always say yes. Take it. It makes them feel good, and free shit makes you feel good.
Demanding works shockingly well too. The first couple of times I just threw out “bring whisky” or the like at some girl coming over to my place I was quite surprised at how happily they complied.
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Women like to do nice things. Who knew? 🙂
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If that’s the case then I’ll take a blowjob on the go.
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Very true. We feel good doing nice things for a guy we fancy I guess it’s part of the whole motherly nurture instinct too. In doing nice things and taking care we build attraction and the attraction makes us do nice things and the circle continues.
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I used a 1, 2, 3 punch of framing (Relax, I’m not taking you home), a neg on her physical appearance (Freddie Kruger called, he wants his sweater back), and compliance (hold (then wear) my beat up Harley-Davidson hat) at a bar with a woman. She was licking my face in 10 minutes.
I have pics.
[Heartiste: As far as 1,2,3 methods go, this beats most. It certainly beats the typical beta male 1,2,3 method of 1. supplicate to her frame, 2. compliment her profusely, and 3. hold her coat as she makes out with an alpha male.]
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The more work (labor) you put into a project, the more you will value the outcome of that project, even if objectively the value of your output is not high.
The inanimate thing can be owned. The person cannot be owned, but the person can owe a debt, either price-able or that which cannot be priced or transferred (moral, ethical, spiritual, etc.). The man who works on land and develops it from wilderness to farm can be said to have taken ownership of the land, or his value imput into the land is such that a decent society or civilization would respect it, more or less, before dispossessing him of it or its fruits. Meanwhile, the woman who complies with or to a man (accepts his leadership, or headship (heh heh)), can be said to have gained an implied debt owing from that man, which a decent society or civilization would respect –i.e. she would have a claim above and beyond other females, and which a decent society or civilization would demand the man make good payment on (thank her for holding the drink, give her a decent break-up talk, marry, pay palimony, etc.). It takes two to tango and it is an indictment of our civilization the extent to which certain labor efforts of are not respected, enforced, etc.
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well said
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I’m kinda veering off-topic here, but your example of a farmer investing his toil in a plot of land raises an interesting counter-argument to the leftoid SWPLs who piss on the Age of Exploration and early American history because the outcome wasn’t “fair” to the natives. I’m saving that for my next debate with anyone who argues that we shouldn’t celebrate Columbus Day. Anyway, on with the discussion of IKEA furniture and female compliance.
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thats my bread and butter
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once they are in my clutches its game over
im the neediest dude on the planet and will make myself their career
always been like that since i was young though on certain work was womans work as well i dont think anyone taught me that shit it is the way i was born i think
unless maybe i was in the cradle and my mom was trying to man me up
it is how i get a chick making 200 to 300 a day fucking to only fuck me and make nothing.
feels good when they take that pay cut
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So she is a crack ho? Didn’t you said in another thread that she just quit crack and now you’re saying she just quit hoin’. Talk about a project.
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yea she quit hoin a while ago
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Well, it could have been worse. You could have gotten LJBF’d by a crack ho. That would suck. Dude, what are you doing? You’re going to wind up either paying child support to a crack ho or raising the baby you made with her. You’re better off making her go back to hoin’ and taking the money for yourself.
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You’re better off making her go back to hoin’ and taking the money for yourself.””””””’
if she is to stay in my life i will be better off with her making a k a day at a legit business
just she is not quite at the point she needs to be to do that
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she is paying me back for helping her the last few months another test she hasen’t passed yet but prob will
so really my only investment will be time and i mostly enjoyed the time i spent with her if that happens
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once she pays me back i will use that money to start her on the business and she will have earned it in my book
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Crack hos rarely get pregnant because they are so unhealthy they become unfertile until they get some food in them and stop the smack. Same with meth.
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crack and heroine the drug aspect of it is something i have never seen before and has been challenging for sure
she did quit though so apparently not imposible
there can be severe downsides if the chick wants to fuck you over though
she left a crackpipe in my car and i got pulled over but she called the police and told them it was her shit not mine i think she set it up cause i was testing her on a holiday i did not want to take her to family gathering as punishment somewhat that i told her i would take her to and she went batshit but accepted responsibility and it worked out ok even if she wouldn’t of but it was cool she did also got me out of another charge so that was cool
also got pulled over on highway with her in car and cop was like if i find anything in here you both going to jail
im like there shouldn’t be anything
she said if there is anything its mine he doesn’t know about it
cop said ok only you will be going to jail then
it did impress me that she took responsibility and passed those tests
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they were planning on keeping me in jail on the holiday she got me out in an hour with no bail
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she also got someone with the bail money they wanted if that didn’t work out
a woman on a mission for her man is a cool thing to behold
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You can do better bro, but you like the challange.
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In other news….did you see that prison guard in New York?? Spanish chick. She boned this guy on death row who was there for killing two cops. A black guy. A violent offender who put two bullets in the back of two cops heads. She said seh wanted to give him a baby so she could give him hope. and that she got caught up in “his world.”
File that under five mintues of alpha and chicks dig assholes.
[Heartiste: Cunt is gutter filth. Her womb turd should be carved out of her and exposed to the elements.]
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[Heartiste: Cunt is gutter filth. Her womb turd should be carved out of her and exposed to the elements.]
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Hold on H, you can’t have it both ways.The pool you claim to chill by will turn into a lagoon and from there a cesspool if we all follow our dicks as much as you suggest we do.
[Heartist: Poolside time is a lot more enjoyable when the world outside isn’t in flames.]
Why are you trying to back away from your message on account of the behavior of one of your charges?
[I don’t counsel women to get impregnated by death row inmates.]
Man up nigga, man up
[non sequitur.]
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lest we forget he was also mentally retarded…literally (lQ score way below average)….I am not sure which woman is more fcked up; this one above or the one who let a guy tattoo her entire face 24 hours after meeting him and the latter was in Russia of all places!
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“[Heartiste: Cunt is gutter filth. Her womb turd should be carved out of her and exposed to the elements.]”
Can’t agree more. This story is disgusting enough to upset me to the point I curse this filth.
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probably the only safe way to have kids anymore in the states, what miss paying child support/alimony ? what they gonna do – jail him ?
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This happens a lot whenever women work in mens prisons. Then the woman starts smuggling in stuff for the guy.
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well that and being able to fuck em for longer a day than all the other dudes fucked em when they were working
every once in a while its good to prob really try to destroy their body fuck the living hell out of them like breaking the bed pounding that pussy into oblivian think of waterboy type shit and take that out on the pussy
in your mind you should be thinking break the pelvis
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in indo i had to put mattress on the floor broke both beds he he he
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And a married pregnant wife cheats on her beta husband…
http://gawker.com/5981904/pregnant-sexts-the-love-triangle-lighting-up-new-yorks-literary-world
[Heartiste: Manjaw. Hanging brow. Cocked eyebrow. Smirk. Mustache shadow. That’s no woman. That’s a man, baby!]
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Manjaws gonna manjaw.
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I thought it was the chick from Wicked… but she married a negro.
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Bitch is cheating on him while pregnant and Gawker assumes “his” kids actually are his kids. “Mom, why does dad love Jake more than me?” “Because Jake’s actually his son.”
[Heartiste: Hopefully this public humiliation will cause the manjawed witch to spontaneously abort. For the children’s sake.]
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When editors do that, it’s called “burying the lede.”
Or “having a sidebar,” whichever you prefer.
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Neither of them look like shining examples of masculinity.
The husband is on the left and looks like an aging hipster. The guy on the right looks like a dirty hippie. Both resemble scalzied manboobs.
NateA in the comments also pointed out that’s the best picture she’s ever had taken.
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“The husband is on the left and looks like an aging hipster. The guy on the right looks like a dirty hippie. Both resemble scalzied manboobs.”
Excellent observation. I thought the same.
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Wow! What an ugly woman. She looks like a Klingon or a Vulcan. How did these men find her sexy enough to fuck? Both are stupid betas.
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Nothing booze, fabreeze, and pitch dark cant fix…
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Huh. I thought they all looked fine…
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Who did you think looked fine? The woman, the two clowns, or all 3?
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She looks like Penelope Cruz halfway through a sex-change operation.
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CNBC, iirc had a show on entrepreneurship and business failures.
One of them was about a Co. w/ an Entirely pre-made cake (?) mix. It didn’t sell.
But when they changed it so that you had to add an egg and some butter it sold much much better.
Similar mechanics, I think.
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http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/cakemix.asp
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The person cannot be owned
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i disagree chick in the kitchen said she here cooking me ribs cause i own her and own her life
i would consider this the advanced stage
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Interesting read. Compliance is the only part of my game that is rock solid. I’m good at making demands of women and the results are usually favorable. Not favorable enough to actually get laid though, so who gives a fuck.
That prison guard is ugly as fuck by the way, no alpha would want to impregnate that thing.
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I don’t know if you’re aware of this but options are pretty limited in prison.
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Here, here! He banged the hottest girl in his sphere of influence.
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I would choose eternal masturbation over raw doggy sex with a Hispanic gutterslut. I’d rather hump the cold steel bars.
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Another non-study which told us what we already knew. When you cook something and and labor over it, the chain restaurant equivalent tastes bland in comparison. When you brew your own beer, you’ll kick that stuff back with delight while your case of Bass Ale sits undrank in the back of the mini-fridge.
When a girl has to dislocate her arm waving to you to get your attention, she’s gonna ride you like a rodeo mustang.
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not that i won’t do shit for my woman
i take her to the methadone clinic almost every day so she can stay off the drugs but that was my goal for her to get off the shit
and yea it prob is working on me to as far as i am investing my time and money into turning her into a self suficient person that then makes money and is an asset to my life but yea the kid thing was kind of like is it gonna be an asset or a drain is it posible to get this chick to where she can make the loot to escape velocity from being a leech
during the summer she runs a business doing a 165 lawns or so
if i can get her to the point where she is clean and not spending that loot she will make on drugs and instead can save it cause i know how to save money the payout may be worth it and i won’t be laying out money to support her kids she will be able to do it and achieve her personal goal of having them around. (i don’t lay out money now for them i did buy christmas presents for them)
I also have a business i want her to do for me since yea i saw the lawn stuff for part of it but she was fucking up cause of the drugs.
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That’s a crazy story, bro.
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Re: “Story of the 21st cen will be either 1. middle class white men milked until dry or 2. middle class white men wake the f up. Place yer bets.”
#1 will probably lead to #2. I’m more worried about #3: white men are bribed into remaining comfortable and sheltered. The good news is once white men are milked dry there will be no way to bribe them with their own (taxed) wealth, and they will be unlikely to get uppity before they are uncomfortable. So we need to ensure that #1 happens before #2 happens so that #3 doesn’t happen.
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Making demands of women feels very unnatural to beta males because those men have little experience with women beyond that which is acquired by flaunting their ability to provide, sympathy mewl on cue, and show up on time. To beta males, the notion of arousing a woman to dizzying sexual cravings through the conduit of compliance testing is incomprehensible. The beta male invests in women; he knows no other way. The alpha male lures women to invest in him. He knows there is another way.
So true. Telling a herb guy a few weeks ago that I tell women what to wear on dates shocked and upset him. He couldn’t ever imagine letting a woman relinquish control like that.
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What do you tell them to wear?
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Less weight.
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Solid approach. I usually tell them to wear something classy. Like heels and a skirt, but they had better not look slutty. They always comply. Some even told me about going shopping to buy new clothes to dress correctly for our date.
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Awesome post.
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Interesting post … Is there anything I can do for you, CH?
[Heartiste: Well, I dunno… lessee… you have a stirrups and a county fair winning cucumber on hand?]
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Sorry, I didn’t see your comment yesterday. I couldn’t find the stirrups but I’ve bought cucumbers today. I also have oil, yoghurt and pepper on hand. If there is still a wish in your heart that I could try to fulfill, I’m here for you.
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Sorry for not replying to your comment yesterday – I just couldn’t do it (even if I wanted).
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Heartsie, I suffer so much!
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Not enough.
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tweet The awesome power of preselection. (Even works when the preselection is faked.) dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/arti…9 minutes ago ””””’
bet he wishes he would of kept his eyes open
i meen he missed it could of been kissing a warpig at the last moment
”””””’Re: “Story of the 21st cen will be either 1. middle class white men milked until dry or 2. middle class white men wake the f up. Place yer bets.””””
robots it won’t matter keep enjoying yourself poolside it should get interesting or maybe utopia
create some interesting memories what i plan on doing maybe making some lives better and mine to maybe
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Comply or die bitch!
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No wonder I loved Legos so much as a kid.
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This investment strategy should be used ethically in relationships. Yes, broads will invest time and effort in you, but make your intentions clear at the start if you don’t intend a long term relationship. I’m an independent man that can probably do most things better than any woman including all the domestic shit and intend to keep it that way. Thus, the current girlfriend gets only relatively meaningless tasks (e.g. knit me a hat, pick me this up at the store, chop up that pepper, etc.). Career and life things are all on me because I don’t want her thinking she has contributed to those. There is no chance of marriage and I will dump her when I get bored. If you are going to play the field and sow your oats, do it by the campsite rule and leave them a little better than you found them, not crushed souls who invested big on a hidden asshole.
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Dr. Zoidberg
This investment strategy should be used ethically in relationships. Yes, broads will invest time and effort in you, but make your intentions clear at the start if you don’t intend a long term relationship.
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the only problem with that is it makes em want you more
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Or you could go the Blackdragon route from the start (some sort of open or less intensive relationship involving more than one woman). I think that’s the way of the future. If you can’t be reasonably honest in your relations with others maybe human society isn’t for you to begin with. If you have to deceive others to get what you want from them it may be you don’t really deserve it in the first place.
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Like the poor excuse for a human being in this tweet: reddit.com/r/OkCupid/comm
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There are some good points to this premise that when a woman does things for a man she’ll fall for him harder. People love the things they invest in. That’s why people who live in their own home as opposed to a rental home, will take care of that home better than if it were a rental.
But treating a woman like this can be overdone. If a man is too demanding of a woman without offering anything in return except sex, the magic lasts only for a short period, unless the girl is a complete idiot and doesn’t mind being in a relationhip with no future. A woman needs to be loved, cherished, and protected. Otherwise, it’s a “fucking and dumping while she serves you and does things for you” type of relationship.
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” Otherwise, it’s a “fucking and dumping while she serves you and does things for you” type of relationship. ”
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
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LOL! It’s good for players, bad for society. Stupid women can’t see this, which is why they fall for it. We used to call this “using a girl.” Nowadays, you can’t use derogatory words against women so no one says it.
I rather have a guy who invests in me. Meaning, he spends a few minutes thinking about how to game me, as well as genuinely wants to spend time with me. Walawala strategies below are more my speed.
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This is why taking classes or learning something together is a great way to build attraction.
The idea of making a girl “invest”…I tried this with a girl I’m gaming and banged senseless a few times.
We’re set to go out, she suggests some lame film, I say I’ll take care of it, get tickets to something else and set it all up.
Me: meet me xxx at 7pm Friday, din, movie.
Her: “What movie are we seeing?”
Me: U’ll find out, can’t plan everything
Her: beaming…..excited…
Now there’s some disruptive element to her date and I’ve taken the lead.
She has to show up to find out…even though we had planned to meet anyway.
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“This is why taking classes or learning something together is a great way to build attraction.”
What a great idea! This is a quality type of investing, not stupid “bring me drinks if you want me to fuck you” type of a thing.
And the fact you took the lead and you run the show, is swoon-worthy. What feminine female doesn’t like being led by a man? But you see, this is you investing too, which is why I think it’s so irresistibly sexy. That’s why you’re banging her senseless.
“We’re set to go out, she suggests some lame film, I say I’ll take care of it, get tickets to something else and set it all up.“
Overriding her suggestion with something better and making your word final is also a very powerful tactic because you’re dominating her.
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Not unintentionally, and no irony exists. There are two types of game. One type is the guy doesn’t invest anything in the woman and either acts as an asshole jerk on purpose, or he makes sure the girl knows it’s just sex for the sake of sex.
The other type of game is exercised by men who genuinely want to get into a relationship or are in a relationship, but they want to keep the woman attached with golden unbreakable strings of crazy lust and love. That kind of game requires a man focus on the object of his game, and that’s an investment. So when the man invests in a woman he finds worthy, yeah he falls for her too. No irony here since the man wants to feel this way.
It all depends on what a man wants – does he want sex with no relationship, or he wants both. The latter requires a more complicated type of game, as opposed to the type one needs just to have sex with a willing girl.
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“No irony here since the man wants to feel this way.”
You mean to say, “Oh, I see what you’re saying, RPLong. You’re saying that the innermost desires of the gamer suggest that his intent is not ‘to game,’ but rather, ‘to woo.’ Good point!”
There aren’t two kinds of game, there is only one. What’s going on in CH’s universe is that he’s engaging in mate-sorting. The women who don’t want him get placed in the same bucket as the women he doesn’t want: “beta females.”
[Hewartiste: Incorrect. Beta females are plain janes. It is a designation based on youth and beauty. I have never said that women who don’t want me (vanishingly small number) are necessarily beta females. Sotp trolling you fantastic pup and stop putting words in my mouth, or you are banned for life.]
The men who out-game him get special nicknames like “Herb,” while the men he out-games get designated “beta males.”
[You nurse an elaborate fantasy world.]
It’s all a complex chain of rationalization in which CH inevitably ends up at the top of the pyramid, no matter what happens.
[You are one of the most obvious cases of projection to come along here in a while.]
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@ RPLong mgtow troll
Why all the resentment?
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I don’t think he censors ideas, so let’s have it. What is your point?
The only thing I suggest is not to attack him, it’s upsetting. How would you like it if someone came to your home and insulted you? Wouldn’t you ask that person to leave? The blog is like his home so please be respectful. Just say what you want to say without sounding insulting and resentful.
Look at JayMan, he and CH hardly agree, yet he is always posting his stuff, regardless of their disagreement on many issues.
[Heartiste: Trolls get banned. Unless they are witty. People who lie about what CH actually says, get banned. People who can do nothing but construct strawmen get banned. People who try to reveal other commenters’ personal details get banned, if they are caught in the act. Otherwise, the free flow of ideas here is pretty loosey goosey.]
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RPLong reeks of the typical troll hater. The troll hater has no interest in ideas of substance or understanding the sexual market place. Thus, spewing bitterness and irrational ideas take over. In other words, Lily, it is incredibly unlikely that logic or facts is forthcoming.
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Yep, the resentful and the frustrated can’t be logical, since their arguments are influenced by their bitterness. I’ve often stated that simple truth.
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It’s good you’ve stated your policy on banning. This leaves no room for speculation.
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bring da movies
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This has nothing to do with anything here but I think this would make for a great book title
Condoms are not romantic: How America’s demographic and economic challenges can be solved by paying women who have an IQ of 65 to fornicate in a public library bathroom rather than allowing people to keep their own money in the own pocket.
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I’m surprised nobody’s mentioned earning your own paycheck vs getting food stamps, welfare check, etc. This more than anything else is why wards of the state rarely if ever get back on their feet. Their souls have been sucked out, or were never allowed to develop in the first place. The simple joy of accomplishing something, ANYTHING, is the primary source of motivation and inertia in life.
Take that away from someone and you’ve created a zombie.
This applies to game thusly:
Beta’s give women “attention welfare” that the girl didn’t earn and they lose all interest in pursuing the interaction.
Like Heartiste said, the study has far reaching implications…
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You write as if forcing others to take responsibility for their own usage of time is necessarily some great evil. The fact is many, many people have created something singular and beautiful while on welfare because they finally had the time and energy or were so bored they basically had to. I could give you some prominent examples you’re probably unconsciously suppressing due to confirmation bias, but we both know you’d just ignore them because it’s not a message you want to hear.
I’ll tell you though, having to perform boring jobs that are pointless and that you know you have to do eight hours per day only because the system is irrational (i.e lacks sufficient human oversight and planning) is what’s soul crushing, as opposed to the terrible fate of “having to” use your imagination.
Most people grasp on an instinctive level how pointless their working lives are even if they aren’t fully aware of the problem the way I am. That’s why they complain they hate their jobs (over half of Americans), even if they have no socially acceptable perspective from which they could organise a revolution even in fantasy. You can ignore the reality of their misery by bullshitting your way into a conceptual blindness, but no one with their eyes open will take you seriously.
Next time you see five different brands and two dozen different models of the same basic product, all of them more or less crappy or something nobody even needs or truly desires, remind yourself that communism is even worse like the televitz taught you.
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This.
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This is Alpha, folks. Perhaps moreso than Skittles guy.
http://deadspin.com/5982236/ladies-jay-cutlers-marriage-proposal-will-have-you-sopping-wet
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Heartiste, you should do a post on Jay Cutler. He has the most textbook, aloof Alpha body language of any athlete today.
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I can give the guys here a tip from my husband. Whenever we go out anywhere, he always hands me his big key ring to put in my purse because he says they are uncomfortable in his pocket. I have to hand it back to him when we get back to the car. It’s a very plausible use of this technique.
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Finally, an answer to a question I have been pondering for long too! Hit’s the nail on teh headz lolzz lzzzzlollzzz ? ;D
http://mayhaan.blogspot.com/2013/02/rise-and-fall-of-civilizations.html
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[…] it is grounded in an accurate appraisal of human, and particularly female, psychology and, two, …read more Source: Chateau […]
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This article rates way up there. Very interesting.
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John Winston Lennon.
10th of September, 1940
8th of December 1980
Get on stage you fools.
On stage = atomic pussy.
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Heartiste, what is your take on adding “please” and “thank you” to compliance tests? Does it make them less effective?
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http://www.torontosun.com/2013/02/06/dad-must-pay-child-support-for-3-kids-that-arent-his-court-rules
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Just saw this…absolutely absurd
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That court should be executed ad gladium.
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Why Nice Guys and Gals Finish Last in Love
Why being nice doesn’t lead to love.
Nice People Do Not Make Their Partners Invest
When we do nice things for others, we invest in them and the relationship. Those investments of time, effort, and money tend to build up over time. Those investments also make us feel that our date or mate is valuable, that we love them, and we are committed to that relationship. This is called the principle of “sunk costs”. Doing favors for others and treating them well, leads us to value and love them.
However, the reverse is not true. The receiver of good treatment does not always feel love for the giver. In fact, they may feel manipulated, burdened, or just generally ungrateful. Love cannot be bought or earned.
Given that, whoever is doing the favors will fall in love. But, whoever is receiving the favors probably will not fall in love. The person that invests feels love. The person receiving the investment may not feel anything. Get the picture?
Nice folks are on the losing end of this deal. They do all of the “doing”. They are the ones waiting on their partner, doing good deeds, buying gifts, paying for meals, etc. As a result, they have a lot of love (sunk costs) for their date or mate. But, their partner has not invested. They have not given a thing. So, they are not at all in love or committed.
Contrast this with the demanding bad boy or diva… They are always making demands and requests of a partner. They require being pampered, waited on, and appeased. They make their partners INVEST. So, their partners have a ton of sunk costs. Thus, their partners fall in love with them and feel committed.
Moral of the story – don’t be “nice” and do everything. Make your partner invest in you and the relationship too. Remember, when they DO FOR YOU, is when they fall in love. If they refuse to invest in the relationship, however, then they may never love you back
Nevertheless, the bad boys and divas are scarce. That scarcity makes them SEEM valuable. Their unavailability and breaking plans makes them look confident and important. Making others work to earn their time gives the illusion that their time is valuable. Having to drop everything to steal a moment with them makes others appreciate the time they are “given”. It is the illusion of scarcity.
Given that, nice people would do well to inconvenience their lovers once in a while. They would benefit from being scarce. They would look a little more valuable if they didn’t drop everything to be at their lover’s beck-and-call. If they were a little harder to get, their lovers would find them more enticing.
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Very true.
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Well-said.
I’ve been having the recurring ideas more and more lately that:
1)There is no such thing as qualifying for someone’s frame [by doing instead of being]. and,
2)Don’t do favors; most people don’t appreciate them.
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Yes. As part of retraining from fifty years of beta, whenever I take pictures of any group with girls (which is surprisingly often) I always give instructions to the girls: move over here, chin up, turn your head, whatever. Their eyes just light up. Yes, it’s baby steps but you must walk before you run.
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Interesting, I will definatly get her holding more stuff.
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♥ i love you☻
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No, I don’t love you!
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Re: the rape van pua in san fran: Isn’t this the most interesting point made “The date went on and on and he was very forward and very handsy, but you know, I have been living in this city for 8 years now and have found that all the guys I have dated to be major pussies in the making moves department so since it was so off my spectrum of reality, I let it happen.”
there you go, pussies, stop being pussies.
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She went into his reality. Make it happen people!
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1001th example that game works. Thanks bitter feminists!
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That’s primarily because women in SF don’t give alphas the time of day in the first place.
Signed,
-sowing his oats with hotter women in Los Angeles
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Was that the chick that he went down on? In between all the sputtering, that article had Jeffy getting dates, getting girls back to his bedroom and even him performing a sex act with one. And all this from a hostile source!!!! Imagine what the reality is.
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That van is true performance art. Twisted genius.
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Kwai Chang Cain: That is not much of an ambition.
Master Po: It is my ambition nonetheless!
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I once read that bonding occurs through frequency and intensity of interaction. Giving orders is a first step in that dynamic.
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Examples of artist/photographers who get a lot of pussy via making girls comply to his demands/artistic vision
1. David Hemming’s character, David, in Blowup (he fucked Serge Gainsbourg’s wife in a 3-way)
2. Terry Richards (bout half of his clients are pornstars; tricky bastard)
3. Jorma Taconne acting as Booth Johnathan in HBO’s Girls (fucks broadcaster Brian William’s daughter)
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I mean Terry Richardson, not Richards*
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I wonder if this isn’t why Dom/Sub relationships work so well. Or at least, why I have more success with them. The Dom puts a lot of work into training their submissive and the Sub puts a lot of work into complying with the Dom’s requests and commands to please them.
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