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How To Tell Women What They Want To Hear

February 7, 2013 by CH

Nick Savoy is a pick-up coach who runs Love Systems. He’s been in the business of selling blueprints for getting laid a long time. Although he’s Canadian, I have nothing against the guy. Word is he’s an excellent artiste of the pick-up persuasion. However, I can’t help but call out — and compliment! — glorious bullshit when I see it, and parts of this latest interview with him qualify.

Savoy made an appearance on the Today show recently to hawk his new “””game””” book for women, called It’s Your Move: How to Play the Game and Win the Man You Want. Now when I hear the words “girl game” my BS detector goes off. The fundamental premise of the sexual market is that women trade their youthnbeauty for men’s power, prestige, charm, dominance and resources (among other desirable male traits). The best “girl game” in the world, then, is simply this:

Be young and hot, ladies.

Any advice geared for women beyond that basic prerequisite is sure to be warm, steaming feelgood pablum. Effective at the distant margins, AT BEST. And then, effective only on beta males who are the kinds of men apt to fall for manipulative girl game. The alpha males for whom chicks devise “girl game” to capture in heady commitment are just the sorts of men who are adept at sidestepping women’s manipulations.

(This is very unlike game for men, which is the inverse of game for girls, because it tends to be the hottest, highest value girls who swoon the swooniest for seductive men with pick-up skills.)

But of course that message won’t sell. And since women are the majority of book buyers, especially of books which tickle their solipsistic fancies rather than give them actual useful advice to measurably improve their lives, it pays a man like Savoy to craft a prettified message for the ladies that will make them happy and hopeful and validated and reaching for their credit cards. So Savoy is no dummy. In fact, I predict he will make more $cashmoney$ from this one “girl game” book than he has made from all his tougher-edged game books aimed at men.

To understand what I’m getting at, watch this video of his interview. (Sadly, SFW.) Savoy has to speak in womanese to these two old, stretchy faced broads or they’d ride him out on a rail. (Or, more likely, their white knights and femlickers would ride him out on a rail.) The womanese dialect Savoy employs is thickly accented, so I’ve included where necessary a helpful womanese-to-male English translation below.

Ok, let me get this out of the way first so the comments don’t get clogged with funny yet drearily repetitive remarks: Yes, Savoy sounds gay. He’s not, but he sure sounds it. If you’re wondering how a man whose voice is a nasally kazoo that projects Kegel-strengthened arias into the heads of the assembled can seduce so many lovelies, keep in mind that Science! has discovered bisexual men — who are a subclass of the class of effeminate men — have more female partners on average than do exclusively heterosexual men. My take: Those men in touch with women’s deepest truest desires, like apparently Savoy is, are best able to coax them into the sack.

Also, Savoy is kind of funny. I’d be surprised if the gentle humor that comes across in this interview wasn’t also a part of his pick-up success.

I’ll skip the first minute which is mostly a prelude to the juicy stuff.

1:10 — “Well, half the game’s won or lost before you even leave the house.”

Male English translation: “If you’re cute inside your house, then you’ll be cute outside your house.”

This statement is half sincere, and that’s all right. If he had said “9/10ths of the game’s won or lost before you even leave the house”, he’d be eight-balling 100% stone cold truth. But we’ll take half and call it a win.

1:16 — “How you dress is important, too. But also, I mean, you want to go out with like a couple of girl friends, not a massive group, because that’s intimidating for most guys.”

This is good, if obvious, advice. Men, of course, prefer to approach women who are alone or with one friend. But Savoy either doesn’t understand *why* women go out in large hen groups, or he understands but is deliberately avoiding the implications in order to spoon feed pleasant sounding advice to women who will in reality never take it up. Single women aren’t making an error of judgment when they choose to go out in big groups of clucking hens and a few beta orbiters. In fact they are making a wise choice; big groups insulate them from potentially dangerous men, and big groups allow them to judge a man’s facility to navigate pressure-filled social dynamics.

So telling girls to go out alone is like telling them to put out as quickly as possible: it ain’t gonna happen as long as the female biomachinery isn’t radically altered. You know what types of women go out alone or with one friend? Cougars. When you have low sexual market value, you have to make it as easy as possible for the desperate beta males who are your bread and butter.

1:33 — “…and wear something or bring something interesting that a guy can comment on.”

Male English translation: “Don’t dress like a potato sack.”

This is good advice as far as it goes, but again, it suffers from the tacit delusion that ugly girls can attract men by wearing an eye-catching ensemble or a peculiar accoutrement. The “unique purse” that Savoy recommends a woman carry as a lure to capture a man’s attention and give him something to talk about is advice best suited for women who are *already* attracting men with their looks, and who want to make it easy for those men to strike up convos. Like I said, decent advice, but not really the sort of advice that is going to do the women most in need of a “How to find a man” book any help.

2:44 — “It’s so important to go to your strengths. I’m with guys as they’re going out to bars or clubs or coffee shops, and they’re deciding who to approach and who they’re interested in, and I see so often that guys would much rather approach the woman who’s confident in her own skin, who looks comfortable with herself, and who maybe is telling a story about herself with how she’s dressed, than the 25th most attractive woman in the room who’s competing on that ground.”

Male English translation: “If you’re an unattractive girl, dress like a scenester slut. Men will figure you’re DTF and will approach you over the girl who is unattractive and prudish.”

This is great advice for the girl who wants to get banged out no strings attached, but not so great advice for the girl who wants a relationship with an alpha male. Since most girls want the latter, this advice is as likely to get them further from their goals as it is to help them fulfill their goals.

By the way, the very fact that Savoy can speak so fluently in womanese is testament to his skills as a womanizer. Perhaps he won’t like that I’ve labeled his girl game advice as bullshit, but in fact I am paying him a high compliment. You’ve got to be smart and seductive to spin a whole book out of “Be cute and young, and don’t be ugly or get old”.

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  1. on February 7, 2013 at 3:54 pm Kate

    The book will tell you more than that. As someone who got to read the book as he wrote it, I’ll elaborate soon, and tell you just why the manosphere should be rejoicing; but, right now, its bus stop duty.

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    • on February 7, 2013 at 4:51 pm Kate

      The interview is testament to the fact that game, not to mention pre-selection and fame- works. Those two ladies (who I happen to enjoy) were so charmed they couldn’t even do their JOB! (i.e. get to any further questions, give him a wrap-up, or, say, mention the title of the book! lol) It took *me* a couple views to stop looking at his hair and actually listen to what he was saying. Lol Did you hear that laugh he got out of Kathie Lee? That is the laugh of a woman who has just heard a true statement and was pleased to hear it.
      No, Savoy is not gay. Brilliant marketer, you bet. Kind of funny. Double yes. His humor appears unannounced before chapter one even begins and gets you every so often throughout. The book, like the interview is *for* women, so it may not appeal to men at all. The style engages the reader to answer questions and, in fact, games them as they read with little tricks similar to the way pick up artists are wont to use them in the field.
      I disagree with this translation: ““If you’re an unattractive girl, dress like a scenester slut. Men will figure you’re DTF and will approach you over the girl who is unattractive and prudish.” Early in the interview he says its not about the cleavage. I think he meant here that you don’t need to be wearing five inch heels because that’s the fashion these days and be uncomfortable when you could look nicer and come across as more confident in shoes you can actually walk in.
      The chapters the manosphere would be most interested in are three (“Why is Dating So Different From How It Is ‘Supposed’ to Work?”) and four (“What Men Want, and Why.”) In both of these chapters, the information on evolutionary psychology was what helped launch me in the direction I’ve taken. The topics are stuff we all take for granted here: the affect of birth control, optimal w/h ratio, facial symmetry, etc. But, this information, is going to open the minds of a lot of people who haven’t been exposed to it yet. And in a user-friendly pellet they can swallow.

      The second part of the book takes you through the steps of screening, dating, and relationships once you’ve actually met someone. It’s a fun and educational book: the killer combo and I’m sure women will love it. If you feel inclined to help make it a best-seller, head over to The Attraction Forums and you’ll see how.

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      • on February 7, 2013 at 6:36 pm Matthew King (King A)

        I still distrust the lisp. How does that happen?

        Hang on. I think the bus is coming. BRB…

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      • on February 7, 2013 at 7:12 pm PetiteOlive

        OT: Kate, if a dude gave you two options for a date; a) Live concert to see country music (or your favourite genre of music) star or b) standard Dinner fare….which would you choose and why?
        Pros for Live Concert: Less Awkward silences, more fun (country music), drinking more will be socially accepted
        Cons: drinking more (might reduce judgement), less conversation, crowed area

        Pros for dinner: More conversation, no drinking (clarity), more cozy
        Cons for dinner: Potential for high bore factor, less fun, high chance of awkward silence.
        decisions, decisions….

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      • on February 7, 2013 at 7:35 pm Matthew King (King A)

        The correct answer is A) + B) + C) + F).

        He’s giving you options? BETAMALE. (And/or bisexual.)

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      • on February 7, 2013 at 8:18 pm Kate

        I’m sorry. I’m not thinking well now. You made some good pros and cons. I’d choose the concert, ultimately (although I might offer to pay for my ticket if it was a first date because that’d probably be the more expensive choice.) If its music you really enjoy, that’s a unique opportunity. You can eat anytime. I don’t know if that’s good advice or not. See what the others think.

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      • on February 7, 2013 at 11:46 pm Djmickey

        Not to sound pedantic but the word is “effect” not affect.If I were in my alpha mood, I will not apologize for correcting you.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 7:52 am Kate

        Right you are.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 7:32 am Unending Improvement

        Does it make American girls even easier? Because if so, I’m all for it.

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    • on February 7, 2013 at 6:31 pm Matthew King (King A)

      Name dropper droppin names. We get it, special access insider, because you mention it every time. Preeny queeny.

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      • on February 7, 2013 at 9:47 pm Kate

        I am pretty well aware of my own insignificance. My praise in not that of your average groupie; its for a friend who has been there for me in tough times and who I am very proud of.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 1:01 am Anon

        Did you fuck?

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 7:33 am Unending Improvement

        This is indeed the question we all want the answer to.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 7:37 am Kate

        I don’t refer to people I’ve slept with as friends.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 9:00 am Canadian Friend

        what do you call them then?

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 12:17 pm Kate

        Seeing as there’s so few, their names.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 1:44 pm Anon

        Great!
        On top of everything that’s been said, Nick Savoy got LJBF’ed.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 2:01 pm Matthew King (King A)

        But Kate keeps the B and the J in the LJBF.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 2:04 pm Kate

        Har har. Stop fishing.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 2:06 pm Anonymous

        LJBF with benefits?

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 1:58 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Come on, I was messing with you in your moment of vicarious glory. Can’t let you get too puffed up. Savoy is a good guy who is taking the gospel mainstream, Daffy Duck lispsps and all. He and you deserve high praise. That is what respect looks like in this eternal barroom brawl of a comment section. Even compliments come with a fuck-you shiv (see “lispsps,” supra).

        Never show weakness or reveal a vulnerability that can be exploited down the road, especially by spectators with long memories and smoldering resentments. Put your back against mine and keep your head on a swivel. This is a war of all against all.

        Plus, don’t you know the signs of a man’s jealousy by now? I gave you a big fat hanging curve and you took the strike. You’re supposed to tease me right back.

        Matt

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 2:16 pm Kate

        Ruining my enjoyment of something in no way equates to showing me respect. Why should you be jealous? There are times for game and times to be real.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 4:26 pm Matthew King (King A)

        There are times for game and times to be real.

        Here? No. The medium itself doesn’t provide the opportunity for sincerity, much less does the theme of this particular forum. We’re not at an academic symposium. We’re in a biker bar.

        XOXO
        Matt

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 4:34 pm Kate

        Then enjoy your games, but I will no longer be a part of them.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 4:51 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Who said you had a choice to participate?

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 5:02 pm Unending Improvement

        You don’t play the game, the game plays you.

        Shit, the game plays everyone.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 3:13 pm Kate

        Well, in my mind, a person has no right to act jealously when they’ve have every opportunity to take things further and it has been their choice not to.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 3:50 pm Matthew King (King A)

        I wouldn’t say I was acting jealously. I would say that I gave you an opportunity to tease me about acting jealously, though, in retaliation for my teasing. Or you can just presume the worst and pout. (Which can be cute. Or rage-inducing.)

        Have some faith in your boy and in yourself. You know he did a good job, and that fact doesn’t depend on my mentioning it. Even had he bombed, just getting to that stage is an impressive accomplishment. And he didn’t bomb, he did well. If critics are reduced to complaining about petty things like lisps and name-dropping, that’s a good sign. It’s probably also the hint of irony.

        Well, in my mind, a person has no right to…

        Earnest dudgeon is not your strong suit, Beatrice. Stick to subtle ripostes. In them you have no equal here, and through them you speak far more powerfully.

        Matt

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 4:02 pm gunslingergregi

        a time to laugh a time to cry
        and a time to get in the vaj
        he he he

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 4:28 pm Kate

        Exactly.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 4:23 pm YaReally

        @King A

        It’s okay to just admit when you were being a dick and apologize. You don’t have to keep up the cartoon alpha male stereotype 24/7.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 4:26 pm Kate

        You are missing the point completely. I don’t always feel like being teased or teasing someone. Sometimes I have raging PMS; sometimes I have no interest in pleasing someone who is all stick and no carrot. I have not lost faith in the subject of this post or myself. You have simply worn out my goodwill. Please don’t bother writing a response filled with cutesy links or videos. I don’t follow them anymore. The time for the ending of that scene was seven months ago. Now I’m not willing to go down that path again for anyone.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 4:52 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Thanks, Realsies. When’s the book on combox etiquette coming out? Or maybe you can do a Hints from Heloise sidebar to your “field report” exegeses?

        Also: go lick your fat mother’s bulbous moldy taint.

        Everything in the comment section is a “cartoon.” Disciplined and cool as you are, you are no exception. It’s built into the nature of a faceless, speechless, toneless medium.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 5:44 pm YaReally

        http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Defense_mechanism#Rationalization

        Your ego won’t let you apologize because your identity is built around believing you’re always right so you’re blaming external circumstances (the environment) and lashing out at me with hostility to avoid taking personal responsibility for your shitty actions.

        It’s no skin off my dick what you do lol I’m just pointing out the obvious here.

        Suck it up, like Statham in this Revolver apology scene. This is what your brain is doing to you right now, but you can push thru it. You’ll grow as a man for it:

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      • on February 10, 2013 at 2:50 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Kate, this one’s for you:

        http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_gifs/9831/Worlds/

        Plus, I think there’s an award for inducing the cartoon ladies man YaReally into a white knight intervention. Another accomplishment to be proud of.

        P.S. As is often the case, I don’t quite follow the nature or the cause of your tsk-tsk lecture. Stick to your strengths.

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      • on February 10, 2013 at 3:22 pm Kate

        Where are you. I need you.

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  2. on February 7, 2013 at 3:55 pm yeahokcool

    cool hair

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  3. on February 7, 2013 at 3:56 pm JS

    I think there is girl game. Geishas were trained in it but at most points in history women knew it. Batting the eyes, being coy, being demure. There’s probably a goldmine of forgotten knowledge to be unearthes just as Gme for men has been rediscovering the old truths.

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    • on February 7, 2013 at 4:16 pm JS

      It might be that girl game isn’t about sex, but it is driving an alpha crazy with desire and getting him to commit. Here’s a few other things I bet are part of girl game:
      –speaking in a soft melodious voice
      –move in a graceful manner
      –in your clothing, hint at what’s beneath, don’t reveal.
      –don’t be too available, make him chase.

      See the great movie The Lady Eve; Barbara Stanwick does a total smackdown on Peter Fonda.

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      • on February 7, 2013 at 4:33 pm thwack

        No such thing as “girl game”.

        a hot girl passed out behind a dumpster in an alley is still hot.

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      • on February 7, 2013 at 6:37 pm Matthew King (King A)

        No such thing as “girl game”.

        That makes you the perfect mark. The dude over at The Rules Revisited has got it down to a mathematical science — almost literally.

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      • on February 7, 2013 at 7:19 pm PetiteOlive

        the Rules Revisited is the only girl game that makes sense and resonates with most the principles of CH. Andrew (the guy who writes the rules revisited) is a great (non- bitter) guy who is/or was a PUA who just loves women and wants to help them.

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      • on February 7, 2013 at 7:40 pm Matthew King (King A)

        The dude is brilliant. Like he crawled up inside a woman’s head, only with the chops to apply male logic to the subject. He is like this blog’s early years (before the topics started running out) but catered to a distaff audience. I read him for the sheer truth of it.

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      • on February 7, 2013 at 8:25 pm Tilikum

        I just popped over for a look. Good advice for how to deal with beta/gamma men, and yes, those chicks are dumb, dumb, dumb.

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      • on February 7, 2013 at 8:51 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Nobody promised it would work on an apex alpha like you, Ticklecum. Does anything?

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 2:56 am Tilikum

        Only the flushed, rosy cheeks and loss of faculties that accompanies the scratching pleasure of your 5 o’clock shadow on the inside of my thighs. Oh Matt, you savage, beautiful, barbarian you. For all of your keyboard commando prowess, the most erotic is when you tilt back your head and accept me like the little baby bird that you are. Daddy loves you, he really does.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 1:34 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Think about what kind of mind can compose the above picture of man on man sex. Further, think about what kind of mind would believe a thin veil of irony conceals the faggot drive behind such a florid description.

        It’s like saying you wrote Brokeback Mountain as a really complicated joke. Nohomo? You understand the subject too well to make that claim. Any well-adjusted dude is put off his lunch just thinking about that material, much less composing an “ironic” ode to it.

        Shorter version: go hit on some other “bully” you have a secret tingle for.

        Matt

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 3:44 pm Canadian Friend

        “… Any well-adjusted dude is put off his lunch just thinking about that material, much less composing an “ironic” ode to it….”

        I second that.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 8:53 pm Greg Eliot

        Any well-adjusted dude is put off his lunch just thinking about that material, much less composing an “ironic” ode to it.

        Put off lunch? I launched mine altogether.

        /and it was a free one 😡

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 7:48 pm YaReally

        Wait so am I the only one who’s got a boner? Well this is awkward.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 10:26 pm Anon

        Epic.

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      • on February 7, 2013 at 11:44 pm Stuki

        Just as “guy game” can at it’s most fundamental be described as “all those behaviors that statistically increase ones attraction to the opposite sex”, so can “girl game.” Looks are more important for girls, but all you have to do to realize there are behaviors that make even pretty girls less attractive, is interact with someone truly mentally ill. Or a pretty junkie in the midst of withdrawals. Or your average ghetto crack whore, even before her habit has taken toll on her looks.

        Claiming behavior doesn’t matter at all for girls, is not all that indifferent from claiming looks doesn’t matter at all for guys.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 4:48 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Claiming behavior doesn’t matter at all for girls, is not all that indifferent from claiming looks doesn’t matter at all for guys.

        Patience, Stuki. This myth will be the last one examined, the ultimate idol to be sounded out with a hammer, the final pretty lie to perish. Rules Revisited is already making headway.

        There was a practical dimension to this misinformation: telling guys that they can’t be gamed right back helps a nervous beta gain confidence around women he finds attractive. Plus the idea that we’re reformable but they’re not gives an otherwise sheepish beta a superior frame to lord over his mark. It is easier to make stark statements about the opponent than train a guy to handle nuance immediately after enduring the mental sea-change that is game.

        This site has never gone past Basics for Betas, nor should it want to, since it is the preeminent authority in that field and hundreds/thousands of initiates benefit immeasurably just by the style of his introduction to the occult mysteries. But I don’t see why there can’t be an advanced course by now, which goes past pick-up and deep into the sexual difference, where it is okay to admit women have concealed strengths superior to ours (so long as they embrace the feminine) and where the manliness of game can be applied to broader vistas. You don’t have to know thy enemy too well if all you’re doing is the find em, fuck em, flee, rather than a sustained engagement.

        Then again, much of it is personal preference. You don’t get the impression that a man proudly poolside is concerned about making men in full, but rather is satisfied by pinprick sabotage against the feminist leviathan. And his beaver collection is the work of his life: to acknowledge the possibility of higher pursuits will seem like a devaluation of the assets into which he poured his youthful efforts and adult identity.

        Matt

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm Anon

        “women have concealed strengths superior to ours”

        Could you clarify/elaborate?

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      • on February 10, 2013 at 9:54 am PetiteOlive

        “But I don’t see why there can’t be an advanced course by now, which goes past pick-up and deep into the sexual difference, where it is okay to admit women have concealed strengths superior to ours (so long as they embrace the feminine)”

        Interesting

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      • on February 10, 2013 at 3:19 pm Matthew King (King A)

        “women have concealed strengths superior to ours” Could you clarify/elaborate?

        This isn’t a MRA fantasy world. It’s okay to acknowledge feminine superiority in the certain ways we all know about and have hastened to squash in the feminist era: women are better mothers (obviously, but our enemy is in a war against the obvious), better keepers, better helpers, more compassionate, more thoughtful, more loyal (yes), more emotionally aware. They are passively strong yet soft; they turn weakness into virtue.

        Not to mention they are the most beautiful things in all creation, by a lot. What compares? (“Shall I compare thee to a summer’s day?…”) Now this also means they are also the ugliest creatures when they pervert themselves — they fall farthest.

        In short, women are superior in self-centered, particular, and socialized thinking whereas men excel at abstraction and general concepts. The female micro-focus (domestic) combined with male macro-focus (worldly) is the unbeatable partnership. “Behind every great man is a great woman.” It is a reason why there are few (or no) great men in our petty feminist era bestriding the world “like a colossus.”

        Matt

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      • on February 7, 2013 at 4:36 pm Lara

        And most importantly, settle, and learn to love the one you’re with.

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    • on February 7, 2013 at 4:53 pm Kate

      Oh, yeah. Geishas knew the game.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 4:47 pm Anonymous

        And geishas also know to smile in order to flirt and attract men….

        Along those lines, I think one of Savoy’s points is being misunderstood (for natural-enough reasons):

        2:44 — “It’s so important to go to your strengths. I’m with guys as they’re going out to bars or clubs or coffee shops, and they’re deciding who to approach and who they’re interested in, and I see so often that guys would much rather approach the woman who’s confident in her own skin, who looks comfortable with herself, and who maybe is telling a story about herself with how she’s dressed, than the 25th most attractive woman in the room who’s competing on that ground.”

        Male English translation: “If you’re an unattractive girl, dress like a scenester slut. Men will figure you’re DTF and will approach you over the girl who is unattractive and prudish.”

        I believe what Savoy is actually trying to convey, in a roundabout way, is that a girl who’s “confident in her own skin” will come off as more relaxed and more likely to smile. If the men at the bar/club/bookstore think that she’s chill, friendly, and legitimately smiling, then they will be more likely to approach her because of her perceived higher sexual market value (see question #27, for example) and greater femininity.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 5:16 pm Kate

        The taking the shot from above seems obvious to me. It makes you appear the way a man will most likely see you: looking down at you. Interesting article.

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    • on February 7, 2013 at 6:35 pm Pliw

      True. I still think we could reduce girl game to being young, pretty, thin and feminine. We’re not allowed to suggest the first 3 in polite society so having a savvy man to code it is appreciated. Many women could gain a point or two by acting feminine.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 12:05 am Nicole

        It can’t be reduced to that because women who are none of those but feminine still manage to attract quality men with enough frequency that it can’t be called exceptional.

        Also, though women may fantasize about alphas, most don’t marry them, and the smart ones wouldn’t want to. So betas need to be the target for most women.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 2:38 am Entitled DOS user

        Yeah. Feminine behaviour can be very attractive, especially if expressed intelligently and spontaneously enough. Saying it’s all about looks sounds a bit gay to me.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 2:57 am Nicole

        Well, men do hunt by looks, so that bit is true and a good thing. Men should not question their powers of visual observation. I would say they should just be careful that they are fully informed about what certain visual cues mean. I believe the Heartiste(s) do a fairly good job of educating men in that.

        It’s just that the young and hot goes away for all women. It is also not what is going to hold a man’s interest in the long term, so for most women it is a distraction. If this was a site for women, I’d advise against pushing that too hard, but it is a site for men and men specifically should not be aiming for old and worn out.

        IF a guy falls in love with a woman who’s older, fine, but just as broke and spineless guy shouldn’t be what a woman is aiming for, this shouldn’t really be what a guy is aiming for. If a person is in love with someone with certain defects or limitations, they should accept that some things are and aren’t going to be possible for them.

        To say that to optimize her game, a girl needs to focus on her looks is not to say that nothing else matters. It’s just saying the truth, which is that a man is not going to give a crap about the else if she doesn’t have the visuals he is looking for…and sad as it may be, most are looking for the same thing.

        Even the ones who are looking for or will accept something a bit different are looking for the best of it.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 10:05 am PetiteOlive

        I agree that personality matters Nicole to some extent but looks matter more to men than personality for purposes of a short term fling. Example, you have a 4-6 with a great personality and you have a 7-9 with a shitty personality, most men would prefer banging the 7-9. Maybe for LTR material they would value personality but most PUAs/Alphas are not concerned about LTR to worry that much about the personality of the girl.

        I also think that smart alpha women (7-9s, great professions AND great personalities) are more suited for alpha males/higher betas (defined narrowly as super confident successful witty men). If said woman can taper her personality to be more feminine in addition to bringing a lot to the table, most alpha men would prefer that for a LTR. I mean for every Alpha man that is settling with a super attractive waitress, hostess or model are 2 more that are settling with super attractive CFOs, CEOs, doctors and lawyers. Being a female having one of those job titles AND also having (or learning to have) mostly feminine qualities is not and should not be mutually exclusive. I agree that it might be uncommon but it is hardly rare to see these guy of women submit to more dominating Alpha men and see these unions last a very long time.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 12:04 pm Anonymous

        Your profession doesnt matter, stop deluding yourself.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 12:25 pm Flavia

        Yes, that’s because being career oriented does bring out masculine traits such as competitiveness. Even though I have a job, I still see “career” women- especially the aforementioned lawyer, as somewhat masculine.

        I do agree that for an LTR a most men would prefer a beautiful, sane, and intelligent woman, than a beautiful, crazy, bimbo….then again some men are looking for a WIFE not a bff, so I think passing a general threshold of intelligence and sanity is sufficient.

        However, FEMININE traits may slightly skew things to your favor…but to attract a man…yeah, it’s the looks.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 12:47 pm PetiteOlive

        Anonymous, I never said a woman’s profession mattered. I am saying that there are some Alpha men who would prefer to have all those qualities (smoking hot feminine woman with intelligence high status) But if they had to choose of course they would go with smoking hot feminine ONLY. It is not rocket science. No man wants to date a fat ugly buffoon with just a job title and masculine traits to show for it. but there are still a lot of Alpha men who are CONFIDENT enough having LOTS of options who will still CHOOSE to settle with a smoking hot feminine woman with a carreer and said woman will happily submit to said Alpha, take years off to do womanly stuff like make babies and keep the house tidy, while the Alpha becomes the sole breadwinner. I mean I see this all the time. The dichotomy of smoking hot vs. intelligence is not cruxed on mutual exclusivity is all I am saying. A man, alpha enough to lead will have attractive AND successful women at this beck and call submitting to him.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 12:55 pm PetiteOlive

        Flavia, I do agree, career oriented is always going to be seen as more masculine than non-career oriented. Going to an ivy leaguish college can be considered more masculine than not going to any school at all. Afterall, it takes some sort of competitive edge to ace whatever entrance exams are needed to gain admission (for the most part anyway). The problem a lot of career women have is that their carreer becomes their sole focus and cannot bifurcate their professional and personal lives and want to bring these masculine traits they exhibit from their work into their home. And that is the biggest complaint many men have with dating women with high stats jobs. They don’t know how to “switch off” so to speak and want to carry these traits into their household. I admit it is hard to compartmentalize work and home life but it is not unheard of either. It can be done.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 1:08 pm FuriousFerret

        PetiteOlive is basically saying given the option that men would want a perfect woman. The kind of woman you are describing is .000001 percent of all women. Do you understand the concept of trade offs? I don’t think you do. Going down one path in attitude and training means that you usually can’t develop other traits.

        So yes a supermodel CEO that has a high feminine personality that is ultra nice is better than other women.

        She is just trying to justify being a careerist and keeps on hoping that her job means something. It doesn’t. End of fucking story.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 3:41 pm Flavia

        @ Olive

        Right, but therein lies the problem. Stereotypes exist for a reason. Although feminine women who can compartmentalize their careers exist, it is much more common for women of high status careers to fall into the stereotype of aggressive, competitive, and career minded. So although I am sure there are many sweetheart lawyers out there, men probably avoid them like the plague due to them GENERALLY not being that way.

        The best way for a career minded gal to land the man she wants, would probably be to “present” very feminine when out socially in mixed sex outings.

        But it’s the same reason why I never seriously dated artists, musicians, or pro sports guys. I am sure family oriented men in those fields exist, but it is playing quite the odds.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 5:07 pm PetiteOlive

        @ Flavia, well said and I agree. Nice to see someone who can make well reasoned counter arguments.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 12:19 pm FuriousFerret

        Alpha Women = Hot and Young women, not women with high powered jobs.

        “settling with super attractive CFOs, CEOs, doctors and lawyers. ”

        Bullshit. Show me the long list of hot CFOs, CEOs, doctors and lawyers. Also due to their environment and the training and process that it took to get there, the vast majority of them CAN’T be feminine. That’s the trade off, you can’t just decide to go tabla rousa when you have been training your brain a certain way.

        Also simply having a high status job for men these days don’t guarantee an alpha mentality due to feminization of the mid-upper class which is primally what women crave.

        It’s so amazing, that constant women readers of CH still cling on to their fairy tales. It’s only the homely women like Nicole and the complete sluts like Rappacini’s Daughter that tell it like it is.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 5:05 pm PetiteOlive

        @ Furious Ferret, you sound…well..furious. I don’t have a long list. I do know that my mom owns her own company and has been married to my dad who also has a well paid job (getting a little paranoid about giving any exact further details as I am afraid someone might be able to identify me lol) Anyway they have been married for almost three decades. Sure, when they met they both didn’t really have much but I grew up having a mom who could balance homely wife duties whilst forging her own career with a man who did not feel threatened by it. I also have aunts with similar stories with most being married to their lesser alpha/high beta husbands for over a decade. Most of them are fsecond generational Canadian immigrants so they were always taught that wife/mother duties came first but they still have managed to balance home and career life. Granted they are not supermodels but most are attractive. I am third generation so I have been corrupted by feminist ideals no doubt, but I don’t think wanting to have a great career whilst learning to be more traditionally feminine….birthing children, taking care of my man etc is too big of a leap nor a fairy tale. I guess all antagonism aside, we will agree to disagree.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 5:32 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Olive is piecing together an endgame strategy while thinking she doesn’t have to make hard choices because up to now, she hasn’t been faced with them. Tee hee, what’s a hard choice? The country concert or the quiet dinner?

        She has no instrument panel to navigate the rocky shore up ahead. It’s still far enough away to not induce panic, and not enough of a fear to end her fantasizing about a deus ex machina or White Knight at the end of the fairy tale. So she pieces together what advice she can from a bluntly honest place like this, picking and choosing what fits with her semi-serious/semi-aware strategy while ignoring the rest.

        This is where daddy has to intervene. Where daddy used to intervene.

        The profession is a straight-up liability. It persists from the lies their mothers told them. Olive thinks she can elide this predicament by downplaying her occupation or not mentioning it, rather than taking the necessary radical steps which, according to all her experience, seem to have no payoff. She has been offered the world because that is what men do to girls her age. Providing the world is another story, because men who can do that also know that women just aren’t savvy enough to detect false promises or to take out insurance against fraud, and the culture of divorce and casual sex applies no centripetal pressure against a breach of contract. And no, the tears on a wrinkling face will not suffice to enforce the promises of a freshly empowered mate just entering his sexual prime.

        Unless she buttons it up and begins taking radical steps, she will not present herself as a tempting counteroffer to a man “with options.” It is much easier for a girl marinating in this culture to arrange microexchanges of sex for a string of five-minute alphas rather than socking away her savings for a big purchase she half-believes isn’t real. Seriously, what girl can do that on her own?

        C’mere and sit on papa’s knee, Little Olive. I have some important things to tell you that you’re not going to want to hear.

        Matt

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 5:32 pm Kate

        @Olive: I have a 26 year old professional athlete from Canada who’s in the U.S. working on a degree this year for you. I don’t know *what* he was thinking messaging me. lol Oh, and he is CUTE!

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 5:51 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Anyway they have been married for almost three decades.

        Totally different environment. They may as well have been raised on the moon.

        Sure, when they met they both didn’t really have much but I grew up having a mom who could balance homely wife duties whilst forging her own career with a man who did not feel threatened by it.

        See, this is where you give away the game. We don’t “feel threatened by” women like that. We are repulsed by them. You presume insecurity is our motivation rather than disgust, which makes you believe there can be some compromise. But the only type of man who would compromise with his repulsion is one you will find sexually unsatisfactory and generally weak. Your choice of language indicates you are still bluffing yourself, avoiding a solid stare into the sexual abyss, which is harsh and harder to handle than you apparently are prepared to contemplate.

        Especially for a Canuck. A Canadian woman swallowing the red pill? Odds are stacked against it, what oblivious feminists you are in the blood, humility is not in your creed. I’ve seen Anne of Green Gables, you can’t fool me.

        Matt

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 5:18 pm PetiteOlive

        @Kate, too young for me :). So last night I went on a date with…let’s call him M to a steakhouse. 33 yr old, co-owns a software consulting firm, 6’1, drives a truck, has the manners of a ‘southern’ small town boy, seemed confident, HOT, short kiss on lips and texted to make sure I got home safe. I don’t care if he is beta, gamma, sigma…I think I am smitten! 😀 *dances with hands in the care around apt*

        I chose Live concert for the other one btw. lol vip tix….could not resist!

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 6:22 pm Kate

        @Olive: Aw 🙂 How fun! Enjoy the concert!

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 8:36 pm FuriousFerret

        “33 yr old, co-owns a software consulting firm, 6’1, drives a truck, has the manners of a ‘southern’ small town boy, seemed confident, HOT, short kiss on lips and texted to make sure I got home safe.”

        Two weeks later:

        Olive: “I fucked him on the second date. He hasn’t returned my texts.”

        To Mr.Software Consultant guy, Game recognized.

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      • on February 10, 2013 at 4:41 pm Nicole

        Thank you, Furious. There is a kind of power in being homely (whether actually or socially), but a vulnerability as well. We’re the prime targets for feminist indoctrination even though we’re the ones it screws the most because we need to preserve every scrap of femininity we’ve got.

        They prey on our insecurities about our looks, and convince us, “You’ve got to take care of yourself because no man is going to take care of you.” They paint men to be some sort of soulless morons, and even though yes, most people are sheep, men tend to be the kinder and yet more independent of them.

        Indeed, if we begin to buy into the b.s. it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. We become so masculinzed and gender-independent ugly that no man would want to take care of us. We become the cop out of responsibility to the players, and the cop out of manhood for pussies.

        So if you’re going to err in your life’s path, err on the side of what keeps you female. You have plenty of life left when your kids are grown to think about a career if you did things in a timely manner.

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      • on February 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm Greg Eliot

        C’mon, Nichole… you’re not so homely that I wouldn’t grab you from behind and mount you like a hussar about to charge into the Valley of Death with his fellow 600… you big piece of chocolate cake, you. 😉

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 12:19 pm Lara

        To be attractive to a high quality man, you probably would have been better off being an artist than a lawyer. Men seem to like artists.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 1:17 pm PetiteOlive

        If high quality men are defined as successful i.e. doctors, company execs, managing partners at engineering firms etc. the vacation spots, hermes bags and car will attest to who I have dated but their personalities were betas. My biggest mistake will be “holding out” for something better, getting older and finding out that those men from my past were the best I could do. I would take my chances. I am sorry I have never had experiences with dating bums who make women pay for stuff when they go on dates or anything else…

        I also know female artists who successful men seem to love as well. They tend to be more hipster, artsy, a little crazy and just “chill” but these female friends tend to date more “bad boys” too. A lot of the guys I dated will never be grouped into the “bad boys” club, maybe I should consider myself lucky.

        Maybe holding out for a beefy, witty, superconfident, spontaneous guy with a bad boy edge who has the financial portfolio of my exes would be like searching for a unicorn. Sigh. Until then I continue keep my 115lb frame toned and practice femininity. I am even taking cooking classes now lol. Baby baby steps.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 4:40 pm Flavia

        You know…depends on the beta. There are betas that can be turned into strong independent men if they have the type of women that will build them up and praise them instead of berating them and tearing them down. Some men sometimes just need the permission to act like men.

        Word of caution though, beta does not always mean faithful.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 6:04 pm Matthew King (King A)

        My biggest mistake will be “holding out” for something better, getting older and finding out that those men from my past were the best I could do. I would take my chances.

        Time to go all the way with this. It’s worse than you think. Even if you settled for the sugar daddy back then, do you think he’s the kind of guy with the needlepoint pillow that says “Grow Old With Me, The Best Is Yet To Be”?

        No, you were and are fling material, even if you can get those flings to stretch a few years (while he fucks others). To take a man like that away from a constantly replenishing fountain of fresh pussy requires, to begin with, a level of girl game your background has not prepared you for, not to mention massive outside assistance.

        I am sorry I have never had experiences with dating bums who make women pay for stuff when they go on dates or anything else…

        You should be sorry. Because those kind of experiences would have given you a glimpse at a hint of an idea of what is “Yet To Be” for you.

        The hour is later than you think.

        Matt

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 10:18 pm Col Nicholson

        “…who make women pay.” Yeah. They make them pay. A guy who pays only for his own stuff is forcing a woman to pay. Using force against a woman. It’s all so . . .rapey. He’s raping her pocketbook and, by (fem)logical
        extension he’s raping her. Yeah.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 12:26 pm Lara

        Although, you might have some appeal to a man who is unconventional and doesn’t work a 9 to 5 job.

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 2:28 pm Obstinance Works

      You’re all going to hell.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 6:39 pm Kate

        But you’re going in a handbasket 😉

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  4. on February 7, 2013 at 4:01 pm Southern Man

    He’s telling women what they want to hear and they’re giving him money to do so. Sounds like a win to me.

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  5. on February 7, 2013 at 4:07 pm 3rd Millenium Men

    Be young and hot, ladies.

    Aaaaaaamen. How and why do girls not their correlation with their age and sexual market value? Oh wait they do… they’re just living in denial. http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2013/01/16/female-age-and-sexual-market-value-part-2/

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    • on February 7, 2013 at 5:43 pm popups

      I went on a date with a 30 year old man that told me he thinks women in their 30s are more attractive. Not sure if he was trying to disqualify me, but he was also blue pill/SWPL type.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 8:38 am Hugh G. Rection

        What he meant to say was he’d like himself better if he found women over 30 more attractive, sadly his cock disagrees.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 11:33 am Spiralina

        What he was saying was he thinks women in their 30s are easier, and he’s still young enough that the low hanging fruit haven’t lost their appeal yet.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 2:57 pm Ken_in_SC (@Ken_in_SC)

        He thought you were in your 30s dumass.

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      • on February 10, 2013 at 12:25 am popups

        He knows how old I am. Closer to 20 than 30, but thanks for calling me a dumbass 🙂

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  6. on February 7, 2013 at 4:16 pm YaReally

    ummm it sounds like he’s just telling them how to be super fucking easy prey for PUAs lol

    “Go out in the easiest formation for a PUA to open, and wear something he can comment on because one of our go-to openers/routines/teases is to comment on something interesting the girl is wearing, and also don’t think the guy approaching you is a player who’s done this a thousand times, he’s just a Good Guy who fell for your brilliant tricks I’ve taught you, so don’t have a bitch-shield up with him.”

    I SEE NO DOWNSIDE TO THIS AND HOPE HE SELLS MILLIONS OF COPIES.

    lol

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    • on February 7, 2013 at 7:51 pm Harry Morgan

      My thoughts exactly. He’s an agent provocateur for players.

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    • on February 7, 2013 at 11:48 pm Stuki

      The “interesting handbag” advice is a good way to select for contemporary alphas; as they are much more likely to know, or even notice, a handbag brand than the typical guy. Remember, being alpha (at least in swpltopian cities) these days pretty much means being a chick with a dick.

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  7. on February 7, 2013 at 4:17 pm YaReally

    P.S. Here’s girl-game:

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?133-Hustle-Hut

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    • on February 7, 2013 at 4:58 pm SheCantSayNo

      What’s the difference between Game and a stripper’s boyfriend?

      Game works.

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      • on February 7, 2013 at 11:00 pm gunslingergregi

        oh shit lol

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 2:16 pm Obstinance Works

      Haha

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 2:26 pm Obstinance Works

      Which looks get the most money? One said: Librarian and teacher. My two favs.

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  8. on February 7, 2013 at 4:22 pm ianironwood

    Of course there’s Girl Game. But then there’s Girl Game, and there’s girl game. I cover a fair amount of the former in my blog, where I advise women how to essentially co-opt select things from porn and prostitutes to keep interest in their aging bodies high. Such as the GFE, the Happy Ending, even the GH experience, among tamer things. Believe it or not, a lot of women have no clue about what guys actually like in bed.

    But Girl Game is different when you’re a married woman than when you’re a single woman. Keeping your husband happy is a challenge. Trying to FIND a freaking husband after wasting your best reproductive years on the corporate carousel is a freakin’ nightmare. It’s not quite hopeless for a 35+ single woman, but if she wants to find a dude she’s going to be plumbing the depths of the bargain bin. It can be done . . . but what you get is going to be a little on the battered side.

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 11:36 am Spiralina

      Yes, I wish there was more in the way of Girl Game for happily married women who want to keep things as hot as possible. Most Girl Game out there is directed at bitter 30+ career women and it’s just teaching them how to unwind and be less bitchy.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 1:26 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Start with Athol Kay at Married Man Sex Life and Stingray at On The Rock. There’s plenty of material out there for you to absorb and interact with.

        But you are correct: most of what goes by the name “girl game” is just one more attempt to insinuate feminism into everything. In this case, they want to infiltrate and sabotage the game-changing PUA discovery of game, which was born to destroy them. It’s what bitches do. Happily, the PUA ethos is alert to the attempted manipulations. Indeed they were the first to sound the alarm! Their unconscious strategy amounts to a tubby fat whore trying to tiptoe through a house of ninjas. You can’t play a player. I’m looking at you Suzie Walsh and Hooking Up Tart.

        Matt

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 6:16 pm Spiralina

        Thanks, I like Athol Kay’s stuff a lot; haven’t visited Stingray yet, I’ll have to check her out. Although the Rules Revisited guy aims most of his advice at single women, I enjoy his blog too because it’s so clear and pragmatic. What do you dislike about Hooking Up Smart? The few times I’ve visited, some of the advice seemed more along the lines of “how to manipulate men into thinking you’re a good girl” rather than, you know, attempting any actual self-improvement. There was very little practical advice.

        Most of the “girl game” out there seems to be aimed at lost causes – women who are chronically uptight and bitter, and have no clue about how to attract men in the first place. While I’m sure they need the advice, a lot of it just elicits a “duh” reaction. Yes, men are human beings and not the enemy. Yes, being kind-hearted and feminine is preferable to being a hardnosed careerist. There’s a real gap in advice for women who already “get” the red pill wisdom to some degree, are happily married and ready for the next level.

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      • on February 10, 2013 at 7:40 am Maldek

        “are happily married and ready for the next level.”
        And what would that be?

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      • on February 10, 2013 at 3:34 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Although the Rules Revisited guy aims most of his advice at single women, I enjoy his blog too because it’s so clear and pragmatic.

        Well put. Wisdom is wisdom. Even if the advice isn’t for you, it improves you by adding to your knowledge quotient.

        What do you dislike about Hooking Up Smart? The few times I’ve visited, some of the advice seemed more along the lines of “how to manipulate men into thinking you’re a good girl” rather than, you know, attempting any actual self-improvement. There was very little practical advice.

        What do I dislike? Well you just named a couple reasons right there.

        What irks me on an operational level about the HUSsie approach is the echo chamber she has set up in the comments. It is very kaffeeklatch-like, bitches getting together to dishonestly ooh and aw about each other.

        And, while Walsh is familiar with the occult concepts of game, like a stupid (or elderly) woman, she utterly manipulates them into serving her odd purposes, all in the name of helping young women hook-up “smart.” So she praises betamales and faggotry, leading girls away from the hard lessons they need to pass through. She’s like what would happen if Cosmo got hold of the pick-up arts and tried to contort them into female “empowerment.”

        There is an agenda at Hooking Up Smart, and she thinks truth should be subservient to it. Which, in a word, is propaganda. I am a truth seeker and wisdom lover. Sophistry of any kind is my enemy, including the forms popular to sites like these.

        Matt

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  9. on February 7, 2013 at 4:26 pm Sad Clown

    There’s gotta be a chapter on backstabbing friends, starting rumours, stealing boyfriends, baiting orbiters, and having chumps buy you shit, right?

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    • on February 7, 2013 at 4:58 pm Kate

      Nope 🙂 Its about understanding how things really work, much like the great CH here, to get people happily together.

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      • on February 7, 2013 at 11:52 pm Stuki

        Happy girls are less likely to put out, than unhappy girls in thrall to the illusion, that if they only work hard enough at it, their jerk du jour will one day change his ways and make them happy.

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  10. on February 7, 2013 at 4:30 pm whorefinder

    Interesting. On a related note, I wondering if the future of non-leftist politics lies in PUAs? As in, could PUA-training assist non-leftist politicians in getting elected to serious positions? As well as another related topic–what percentage of PUAs might become the next generation of political leaders? Given RooshV’s latest scribe about moving onto other things, as well as the general consensus by most established players that after a certain notch count, the hunts are less interesting, could politics be the next mountain to climb?

    Heartiste for president?

    On the other hand, most guys get into the dark arts because they notice how horrid society is, become apathetic about fixing it, and just become hedonistic. One gets the sense that PUAs and society-fixers split at an early point: both notice the same problems; PUAs see n chance of fixing it and exploit, whilst fixers try to fix.

    Donkeys live a long time?

    To quote The Turd’s house sperg, thoughts?

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 11:39 am Kate

      I think its a natural progression for men who have that area of life under control to advance to engaging in other interests.

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  11. on February 7, 2013 at 4:31 pm Anonymous

    2:44 “confident in her own skin” “dress interesting” “competing for the same spot”

    Sounds like projection to me, but hey he gets money for this “girl game”

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  12. on February 7, 2013 at 4:34 pm Lara

    He is being fairly honest, by stating that some women are objectively more attractive than others (the 25th most attractive woman in the room, in his words), and men strongly prefer the more attractive ones.

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  13. on February 7, 2013 at 4:50 pm Vince

    Question: Are PUAs still relevant? I’m not saying those guys don’t have talent with women. But for the lay man is reading a book, buying a “bootcamp” or any of that magic trick stuff more helpful than being congruent with your needs and being a man with options?

    Is Savoy actually making it easier for his students to “make it”? That way they can sell more bootcamps to betas?

    My 2 cents.

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 10:52 am DarkTriad

      Vince, if you’re asking if studying Game to become an Alpha better than already being an amazing alpha with all kinds of options, the answer is probably not. But if you’re talking about a Beta with stunted social growth and no way to get form point A to point B, then it hugely, hugely valuable.

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  14. on February 7, 2013 at 5:01 pm Maldek

    That was a great read. Almost spilled my Schweps over the screen while reading the male-translation. LOL

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  15. on February 7, 2013 at 5:33 pm maurice

    I met Nick once in LA– had lunch with him. 7 years ago or so. Cool guy, laid back, smart. Glad to see he’s doing well- diversification into chick advice is a smart business move.

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    • on February 7, 2013 at 7:53 pm josh

      Can David Deangelo,that old whore,be far behind?

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  16. on February 7, 2013 at 6:13 pm Jack

    in the sex market girl game makes little to no difference.

    in the MARRIAGE market, which is what most girls are worried about, personality and demeanor goes a long way for a girl.

    guys that aren’t completely marriage averse will admit that they’d gladly accept a point to point and a half drop in looks for a girl who is submissive, nurturing, supportive, etc.

    But then again I guess thats not really girlgame, its called “not being a cunt”.

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 12:08 am Nicole

      You’d be surprised how many girls today need to be taught how not to be a cunt.

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  17. on February 7, 2013 at 6:30 pm Tenmagnet

    I got to read a pre-copy, and showed it to a few of my female “friends”. They loved it.

    Honestly, when I read it I kept thinking to myself “duh!”, but I often forget that the average person has no idea about how this stuff really works, and most women have been fed feel-good nonsense about dating their entire lives. It’s not exactly “the red pill” for women, but it’s a good step into some general game concepts. I hope it does well.

    I wrote a review here: http://www.tenmagnet.com/2013/02/the-game-women-nick-savoy-its-your-move-review/

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 7:56 am Kate

      “I often forget that the average person has no idea about how this stuff really works”

      Exactly. Nice review!

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  18. on February 7, 2013 at 7:04 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Heartiste:

    I think you’re reading too much into that last part. Looking friendly and relaxed will make a girl more approachable.

    You are right that girl game only works on the margins and that the main factor in how well a girl does is her looks. But sometimes marginal effects can have a huge impact on an individual. If a girl goes out a lot, using Savoys techniques will undoubtedly score her more good opportunities than otherwise. Think about this, if a girl went out in a group of 3 all the time, and wore something that made for an easy conversation starter, she’ll meet a lot more guys. (And if she is worried about having too many one night stands there is an easy fix: don’t drink so goddamn much when you go out.)

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  19. on February 7, 2013 at 7:21 pm The Motherfckin' Krakus

    PUA shit is now equivalent to self-help masturbation fics.

    Whoever eats such a lecher’s words deserves pity. Nick Savoy is now officially a scrub.

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 2:18 pm Obstinance Works

      He always has been.

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  20. on February 7, 2013 at 7:52 pm josh

    Sorry to be redundant,but,my God he IS gay!!!! I recognize(or as Hypnotica would say,I re-COG-nize)Kathy Lee,the gruesome hag who severed Frank Giffords once lofty balls,but who is that horse faced chick? How can you “advise” a gilr to be well nice? Nice,down to earth,not a drama queen,not super needy,laughs at ya jokes,DTF–gotta love the acronyms–etc? My advice: be young,prety,sexy and nice and sweet and good.

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 1:28 pm Matthew King (King A)

      Re-COG-nize the space bar after punctuation, bro.

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      • on February 10, 2013 at 9:43 pm josh

        Why dont you suck on Frank Gifford’s withered balls?

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 2:20 pm Obstinance Works

      Hygiene and vitality .

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  21. on February 7, 2013 at 7:54 pm FuriousFerret

    This man is a genius.

    Is this the equivalent of a well respeceted rock band from a sub genre selling out making rock anthems to cash in?

    The book sounds like it’s the ultimate in projection wish fulfillment. Post wall ladies want so badly to believe that they can attract men through social chrisma and status that they are easy marks to make loads of cash off of.

    However, I do believe in ‘Girl Game’. Feminity being the key. With so many women resisting acting in a traditional manner, being one of the few to up play feminity will have an edge over better looking women. Of course, that woman will still have to meet an minimum level of physical looks. Alphas have so many options with hot bitchy women, that simply being hot loses it’s appeal after awhile. The one that will stand out is the girl that is pretty and easy to get along with. Of course, this is extremely hard to do for a woman because she has to seperate from the herd and the herd hates a renegade.

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 2:32 pm Obstinance Works

      Yep just be nice and stay off of male message boards.

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  22. on February 7, 2013 at 7:56 pm josh

    Was that book he wrote on Game any good?

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 7:33 am Kate

      Magic Bullets? Yes, it is.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 10:06 am Hugh G. Rection

        How would you know?

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 10:55 am Kate

        I read it, and the men I know who did as well have found it very helpful.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 2:22 pm Obstinance Works

        Weirdo.

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 1:47 pm Anon

      Magic Bullets is a little superficial if you’ve read the Mystery Method.

      But it’s still a good read.

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 6:22 pm YaReally

      Yes. It’s like a condensed version of Mystery Method. Highly recommended for guys new to PUA stuff who find MM too overwhelming/in-depth.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 7:23 pm Anonymous

        Also, Magic Bullets should be supplemented with the Routines Manual (also by Savoy), which provides more in-depth material to use while talking to girls for more than a few minutes.

        (And of course they should be supplemented with a couple broader ‘theory’ books and guides on texting game.)

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 2:24 pm Obstinance Works

        Just like every other system out there is a condensed version of MM.

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  23. on February 7, 2013 at 7:57 pm The Bechtloff

    Bit of a side topic but that video reminds me, I was sick from work the other day and saw the fouth hour of the today show for the first time with those two hobags. I coulnd’t believe it, this was supposedly a news program and it was just two squacking twats getting drunk at 10 in the morning.

    I’m just old enough to remember when NBC News meant something. Sure they were liberals but they at least tried to be journalist. But this, this is just sad

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  24. on February 7, 2013 at 8:13 pm Cloudswrest

    “Be cute and young, and don’t be ugly or get old”.

    This is more or less the same advice given at the end of the Saturday Night Live sexual harassment skit!

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  25. on February 7, 2013 at 8:13 pm beta_plus

    I think roosh put it best here when describing game for women:
    http://www.rooshv.com/the-secret-to-landing-a-man

    Summary:
    1. Spend most of your free time into improving your appearance.
    2. Lower your standards.

    Only in societies as wealthy as the Anglosphere and Scandinavia with such a massive deficit between the high attractiveness of men and low attractiveness of women could the attitude of “he’s intimidated by a big curvy strong educated independent woman!” even exist.

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  26. on February 7, 2013 at 8:51 pm krauserpua

    Those two women are vile. He’s just a foil to give them a chance to witter on with their senseless delusional talk.

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  27. on February 7, 2013 at 8:57 pm Alpha Mission

    Attraction to women is tied up in these three things:

    1. Physical attraction
    2. Sexual availability
    3. Feminine virtue

    The third is rare in this feminism-infected world, and is truly precious, as are the other two.

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  28. on February 7, 2013 at 9:01 pm krauserpua

    Girl game is real, but not what those old broads think it is. There’s no sell-by date on improving her chances over current performance. But all girl game benefits from a huge multiplier effect the earlier in the girl’s life it is adopted.

    Here’s what a young woman should do:
    1. Don’t ruin your youth with drink, drugs, late nights, slutting up.
    2. Plan to get married before 25
    3. Learn some real wife skills like cooking, the art of charming conversation, deportment. We English used to have Finishing Schools that taught teens this.
    4. Embrace the feminine in both dress and vibe.
    5. If you must work, get a half-assed feminine career such as an air hostess, barista or running a part-time knitting business.

    Here’s what an old broad who wasted her 20s should do:
    1. Prioritise getting married off and drop every other thing in your life until you’ve acheived it.
    2. Shun any single friend who doesn’t share your goals
    3. Make friends with happily married middle-aged women and mine them for information and model their vibe.
    4. Lose weight. Go to the gym everyday if necessary. Include pilates or yoga
    5. Go teetotal
    6. Watch as many pre-60s movies as possible and learn from the female leads

    I dunno, it all seems rather obvious……

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 11:57 am Lara

      It might be obvious to you, but women aren’t born knowing how to be attractive to men. We have also been influenced by lousy pop culture.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 2:15 pm Obstinance Works

        Poor excuse. Women and little boys create pop cunture.

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 2:14 pm Obstinance Works

      Thank you Krauser for bringing sanity to this thread. The women who comment on game threads and the girly men such as Burger King who enable them are weirdos whom should never be taken seriously.

      As for Nick Savvoy, the guy just annoys me and always has, but I’m sure aspiring PUAs can find something of value in his work.

      Two friends out of the blue last night were lecturing me about having a girlfriend and not having to chase ass. Women are so boring and annoying to me when I’m not in the act of trying to fuck them, so I just acted like I was listening. I didn’t tell them that I’ve had girlfriends before and all that. People see what is in front of them and nothing more I guess.

      One lectured me on how it was better to get the SNL in the bar instead of a phone number. But I told him it was so much easier to try and get it on the second day. To each his own.

      I have one friend now who will actually listen to what I tell him, because he’s pretty much a natural already and he is a bit on the sensitive side being from California. He just moved out here to redneck South Carolina so I’m getting him up on the culture (most of which he hates for good reason). Women out there are much more easier to game is the impression I get, but he just got here like 2 weeks ago and this was his first night out, but he’s an approach machine and he’ s laid the ground work.

      My other wingman from NYC moved away. He really didn’t get into the PUA shit too much, because he pretty much killled everything, though he did have a few issues we worked through, but he was such a great wingman, I’ve gotten lazy. I pretty much was this new guy’s, Shake, I call him, wingman, so I only got a couple of numbers, but he lives withing walking distance of me and he’s more of a fit as far as a wingman. I’ve been looking for a wingman like this since I started off as a PUA, and am really happy about this.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 3:32 pm Matthew King (King A)

        Your inability to keep up with a woman’s wit is nothing to brag about, chump. “Women are so boring and annoying to me…” Explains your social retardation. I’m glad you found an internet PUA pose to conceal your insecurities, but you’re not fooling the rest of us.

        You can’t hold a conversation with a woman because they’re all just so annoying. Uh huh. You make fun of those of us who can because it shows what fags we are. Sure.

        Women are generally uncreative and witless when they have no foil. They don’t possess initiative for the most part, they are not self-starters. That’s why we have to do the approaching. That’s why we have to get things rolling. If you know how to tickle them they come out of their shell. They need to be led.

        But you are actually dumber than they. That’s quite a feat for any man, who naturally has all the advantages in that department. No wonder you can’t stand being around them. No wonder you have to declare they have cooties like you’re in fifth grade. No wonder you moan about their very presence rather than attempting to control the flow. Because you can’t.

        Women aren’t boring and annoying. You are. And if you had any sense you’d realize you just admitted as much — while bluffing about how cool you think your social inferiority is.

        Nick Savoy mixed it up on national television, operated smoothly in a high-pressure, adversarial environment, and sold himself and 20,000 copies of his book in the space of four minutes. But you and Shakes the clown (allegedly) scored a few digits from a set of falling-down-drunk slags last night. Just shut the fuck up.

        Matt

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    • on February 10, 2013 at 12:32 am walawala

      @Krauser. Great post as usualy.

      Regarding your comment about “Finishing schools”…in Korea they have those for the same reason, so women can learn traditional Korean lady skills like making tea, how to put on make up etc. As a result, Korean women are much softer. They still need to be gamed, but do appreciate a masculine vibe and are readier to submit to it with much less shit-testing than their other Asian counterparts….Perhaps because in Korea men are more masculine, they do military service, sports, martial arts etc.

      In HK where I live, women are generally much crazier and always shit-testing and much less refined. They are dragon ladies. But this is in large part because typically Chinese guys don’t understand game. They buy flowers, gifts regularly, hug their gf’s in public or hang off them instead of the other way around, let them lead them when they’re walking holding hands…

      However…in the last 3 years since learning game, the three I’ve successfully gamed into a regular relationship stop with the ongoing shit-tests when they realize Im not like the pitiful herbs and betas they’re used to.

      Every couple of years, I do meet one who I want to hang out with more regularly.

      But the screening process I use now requires that I constantly game them, constantly break them down to the point they understand the “I’m a man, you’re a woman” frame clearly.

      Then they do things like cook, make things for me, give me gifts regularly—even after we’ve broken up!!

      A few of my married friends can’t believe this and ask “How did you get them to do this?”

      Girls want a strong man. All that shit-testing and resistance is to weed out the weak ones.

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  29. on February 7, 2013 at 9:09 pm YaReally

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    • on February 7, 2013 at 10:10 pm PetiteOlive

      I really love this guy.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 10:06 am thwack

        He’s brocadian

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 5:09 pm PetiteOlive

        word.

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 9:56 pm popups

      Thanks YaReally!! I’ve already watched it twice (once with friends)

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  30. on February 7, 2013 at 10:28 pm walawala

    Timely post, and I’d like to reach out for some advice. The situation is this, I gamed a HB8, and banged her. Then went away on holiday. While I was away for 3 weeks she wrote me every day several times a day, I amped up the sexually charged texts. When I got back, she came over that morning, I banged her. then again the next day. She cooked for me and did everything.

    Then came the shit tests. The first was “Do you love me?”

    I said “Give me time baby…you know better than to ask questions like that…” Push-pull.

    Then we met up again for dinner. Suddenly she goes cool. She asks “What is our relationship?”

    I reframe and start the “Love Test” Routine again saying I have a better question, have you ever done the “Love Test….”

    She comes over and then witholds sex. We make out, she talks about banging but refuses to stay over or bang.

    I play it cool. Build comfort, talk, show videos etc.

    That was last night. She wanted to meet up tonight at a club for drinks and dancing. I was vague saying “Depends…”

    How do I play this? Witholding sex after I gamed her is definintely a power grab.

    I haven’t responded, haven’t texted.

    Any solid advice is appreciated.

    I like the girl, but the shit-tests about “Do you love me?” “What is our relationship? and “No sex tonight”…. have been parried in my push-pull, comfort and push manner…..last night.

    Now…advice is needed….what to say, what to act? I may see her if I go out tonight or tomorrow.

    Should I just disappear and when I do see her play it cool?

    Ignore her for a few days.?

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 12:05 am Djmickey

      It seems to me that you are not fully calibrated in the commandments of poon. Specifically, “dont be afraid to lose her.” If you internalize this, you will know how to act accordingly!

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 1:11 am walawala

        Right.

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 3:03 am Entitled DOS user

      You had the perfect opportunity to “build comfort” by responding you’re together instead of reframing it with some bullshit. No wonder her ASD went wild. You’ve given her no reason to think you’re not using her only for sex. Too much “game” too little common sense.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 4:06 am walawala

        That would have been submitting to her frame and giving direct answers to questions she keeps asking.

        The “What do you want?” “What is our relationship?” “Am I a toy?” “Do you love me?” these are shit-tests…

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 7:56 am Tilikum

        Not at all. Those are opportunities.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 8:37 am Entitled DOS user

        Your results speak for themselves (you aren’t getting any right now). So consider this, in real PUA speak: you don’t want to and you sure don’t have to DHV the shit out of her after banging her a couple of times when she’s starting to feel slutty because you’re not really her boyfriend yet. That’s when you want to establish some sort of connection, and doing so explicitly is powerful, maybe the only quick way.

        Don’t DHV all the time. Especially when there’s an opportunity to build comfort spontaneously, effectively, and genuinely with a simple response. You don’t want to waste that rare opportunity by building yet more attraction as if she couldn’t possibly have genuine concerns that you could address honestly. As if you couldn’t DHV at any other moment. If you want a solid monogamous relationship without massive drama you have to know when she has real concerns and when she’s only shit testing you. You have to understand her needs. You need a connection.

        To sum up. The round objects go into the round holes. The square ones into square ones.

        Remember, I didn’t write you should say “we’re together, hopefully forever”. Just “we’re together”, as if you were confirming what she already thought, giving her an excuse and a way to keep having sex with you daily without her having to think of herself as a slut. I suppose when you get older, saying “we’re together” to a girl you’ve been seeing only for a week or whatever might be awkward and ridiculous, but maybe you’re not that old yet. And emphasis on the word might.

        Anyway, if it’s something that has semantic content, a sensible cause and context, and spoken in a language you are familiar with, and she’s actually repeating it, it might not be a shit test, but something she really wants to know.

        P.S. I’m not necessarily saying you’re doomed or anything. But it seems to me your actions have cost you some comfort points, and thus you’re getting less pussy this week.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 8:57 am Entitled DOS user

        I forgot to mention you should also remember the concept of congruence. DHV’ing too much, or doing it in somewhat try-hard ways, might make it difficult for you to establish a connection without coming across as weird (“how did this interesting guy who never takes anything seriously suddenly become a guy you can actually have a deep conversation with?”). Something you might want to ponder on.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 8:30 pm walawala

        Good insights…

        One thing I do notice or am beginning to understand is that women being more emotional react emotionally so they get angry, get sad, feel regret—all in a the span of a few minutes sometimes.

        Saying something and letting it sink in before saying something else is a good strategy.

        The “soft dominance” concept is one that I have a hard time with….these girls are instantly attracted but then fall in love with me fast and then get all weird.

        I asked her, “How do you feel with me?”

        She said “Insecure”.

        In these pages, that is a way of ensuring women stay hooked, but there is a point as you suggest where they break away.

        The exchange went something like this:

        Her: blah blah blah….don’t say you love me…blah blah blah

        Me: I’m a man you’re a woman. Men are at their best when they lead and women have a natural role as followers.

        her: I’m not a robot, i’m human, I have emotions.

        Me: Women are emotional. Men communicate physically. It’s the way I look at you, the way I fuck you and the way I hold you.

        Then she started qualifying herself and apologizing…

        We’ll see how this unfolds. I’m way ahead of where I was 3 years ago.

        Interestingly enough…while this over-gaming has turned off some girls, the girls it has kept on are here for the long term.

        I have 3 regular women who would do anything for me and do….

        I do lose some, but the ones who stay are up for being with a hard-ass.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 9:04 pm immoralgables

        “her: I’m not a robot, i’m human, I have emotions.”

        Walawala, that to me seems like a shit test. Is it possible for you to playfully cut her down when she brings up these things. Real-life example from not too long ago:

        Her: But immoralgables, if we’re just having sex then the only thing I am to you is a concubines.
        Me: you’re not JUST a concubines babe, you’re concubines 83 out of 200 (smirk)

        While it does come across as an amateurish agree and amplify tactic, the overall result is that YOU are setting the frame for how you want the current dialogue and vibe to go. Unless you turn the seriousness (her concern) into playfulness (your agree and amplify of said concern), then to me it sees that you’re falling in her frame. I think engaging her on a logical level is not where you want to be IF you can avoid it (which I think you can).

        Perhaps try it in the name of science and let us know.

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 2:01 pm YaReally

      If you don’t want her to fall in love with you, don’t see her more than once a week. That’s the rule. You’re fucking yourself over and causing these problems yourself. She’s not putting out because she’s falling in love with you because you see and talk to her too often and she thinks there’s potential to land you as a boyfriend.

      Ideally you want to snuff out any Provider potential at the start so she knows from the start that you’re not going to be her BF. Basically you didn’t set a strong frame of how you want the relationship to be, so she’s trying to force it into what she wants it to be.

      Remember: You can always accelerate the relationship, but you can’t slow it down. You can go from seeing her once a month to seeing her once a week to seeing her 3 times a week. Going from seeing her 3 times a week to seeing her once a week or once a month = trouble and drama. If you slow up seeing her now, you will probably lose this one.

      If you just want her as a fuckbuddy, don’t treat her like a girlfriend.

      You could Soft Next her (stop communicating for a few days) but she hasn’t really even done anything WRONG, because you didn’t set any rules. If you said “Babe, I told you I’m not looking for a girlfriend right now.” and she bugs you to be her BF, then you can Soft Next her and it’s justified and teaches her not to break your rules. But your frame is “I dunnoooooooooo lololol” so she’s not really doing anything wrong and a Soft Next is just mean and won’t teach her anything.

      You could throw a hail mary and make some drama. Bitch her out and go “I couldn’t seriously date a girl who plays games like not putting out and shit. If you want a guy who puts up with that bullshit, you can find someone else.” but it’s hard to say what the result of that will be.

      Basically every casual relationship hits the “Ultimatum Point” down the road, where she withholds sex for commitment because she’s gotten attached to you…usually this is the end of the relationship if you won’t commit. Sometimes this happens in a few weeks, sometimes it’s in a few months, but it’s there. You can delay it by not seeing her once a week, disqualifying yourself as a Provider, etc. which is what I do…but you did the opposite and sped it up lol

      Anyway, ya, this is your fault and you will probably lose her unless you agree to monogamy with her, but at least it’ll teach you a lesson for the next girl. 🙂 Set the frame of the relationship from the start.

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 7:15 pm Anonymous

      Here’s Heartiste’s answer to the “do you love me?” shit test (basically, agree & amplify):

      What if a woman says “Do you love me/miss me/whatever”? Are you supposed to directly say no, or is it best danced around? And if then, what if she keeps pressing

      [Editor: That is a great opportunity to be cocky. When a woman phrases leading questions like that, she is actually hinting that she’d like you to answer in a cocky, alpha way. For instance:
      *exaggerated expression of yearning, hands clasped to chest* “I miss you SOOO much, my heart bursts like a thousand supernovas! However will I go on without you?” Then slap her butt.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 9:08 pm immoralgables

        Good find. I agree with you and said something similar to walawala above

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 9:50 pm walawala

        Great find. I’ll post if there’s any interesting or relevant angles….

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  31. on February 7, 2013 at 10:58 pm AlphaBeta

    OT: Beta male catcalls

    http://www.newyorker.com/humor/issuecartoons/2013/02/11/cartoons_20130204#slide=5

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  32. on February 7, 2013 at 11:07 pm stevie tellatruth

    Seems like ever since Steve Harvey came out with his ‘girl game’ book, “Act Like a Lady, Think Like a Man”, we now have a cottage industry for neo-girl game books, post “The Rules”. These guys have pre Wall and post Wall women believing they still have a chance to snag that alpha of their dreams, when we all know that the best they can do is settle for a thirsty beta boy….

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  33. on February 7, 2013 at 11:38 pm How To Tell Women What They Want To Hear « PUA Central

    […] effective only on beta males who are the kinds of men apt to fall for manipulative girl game. The …read more Source: Chateau […]

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  34. on February 8, 2013 at 1:21 am swedish

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  35. on February 8, 2013 at 3:22 am SredniVashtar

    The man won’t like to hear this but the fact that Nick Savoy, with the funny voice and the homely face, is one of the genuine legends of the pick-up community should persuade every skeptic that this Game stuff really works.
    It’s turned the material for a lesser beta into a genuine super-alpha.

    So all you “looks are all that counts” folks: Just look at this video

    [Heartiste: Good point. I wouldn’t say Savoy is ugly, but he’s no Gosling. His facility with the crimson arts definitely comes through in this video, even though his interview was primarily about selling “girl game”.]

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    • on February 11, 2013 at 2:30 pm Peter South

      Could it be because of rather than in spite of his feminine demeanor?

      I haven’t seen much evidence that most women prefer manly men, especially in the cities.

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  36. on February 8, 2013 at 4:43 am dannyfrom504

    it’s good to see that sphere bloggers are breaking into MSM. of course there will be backlash, but i sense the trend of infiltration will continue. especially when we’re seeing women in disarray over the current state of the SMP.

    i got’s mad game, so this shit is moot to me. when i’m hungry- i eat.

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  37. on February 8, 2013 at 5:01 am Marmot

    Great commentary.

    As for me, I’m fine with his bullshit-tinged game for women. He’s selling them the blue-pill, yes, but he’s not white knighting or saying idiotic stuff like celebrities who claim that “they’ve always only been looking for a smart and smiling woman” (yeah dude, you sure were… if the smile were made by labia minora).

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  38. on February 8, 2013 at 5:17 am Daily Linkage – February 8, 2013 | The Second Estate

    […] How To Tell Women What They Want To Hear « Chateau Heartiste […]

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  39. on February 8, 2013 at 5:26 am yaser

    Heartiste, this one is for you, our most sublimely magnificent host.

    Our host writes:

    “The fundamental premise of the sexual market is that women trade their youthnbeauty for men’s power, prestige, charm, dominance and resources (among other desirable male traits). The best “girl game” in the world, then, is simply this:

    Be young and hot, ladies.”

    I hereby submit that nara contains more than just youthnbeauty. And i even dare to state that our host agreed to this, if we are to view nara from a female perspective.

    (nara = everything a woman has to offer to a male. The female currency. Yamo is the male currency)

    This is the part our host agreed to this:

    ” “If you’re an unattractive girl, dress like a scenester slut. Men will figure you’re DTF and will approach you over the girl who is unattractive and prudish.”

    This is great advice for the girl who wants to get banged out no strings attached, but not so great advice for the girl who wants a relationship with an alpha male. Since most girls want the latter, this advice is as likely to get them further from their goals as it is to help them fulfill their goals.”

    Thus, our host establishes the following:
    1) Being a slut is part of a girls nara if she is DTF
    2) Being prudish is part of a girls nara if she is after a LTR
    3) Most girls want the latter.

    Thus, by our hosts own admission, most girls and a non-negligibel part of the males view prudishness as part of nara.

    In fact, our hosts also acknowledges that being a slut is only part of nara seen from a male perspective, and only if he is out to get non-LTR material.

    And since we know that even girls who are DTF rather not see themselves as sluts, even if they are sluts, we those conclude that a majority of the population regard prudishness, or at least non-sluttiness as a important part of nara.

    (Even sluts dream of winning the alpha males heart, and know they wont do it if they are perceived as the sluts they are. Or at very least, they want to imagine that the alpha does not judge them for it.)

    Thus, it is accurate to state the following:

    The best “girl game” in the world, then, is simply this:

    Be young, hot and no sluts, ladies.

    In fact, when i wrote that, i noted what would have been an obvious oxymoron not too long ago: by leaving out “being a non-slut” as a qualifier, sluts are included, and they are obviously no ladies.

    “In more recent years, use of the word lady is even more complicated. The American journalist William Allen White noted one of the difficulties in his 1946 autobiography. He relates that a woman who had paid a fine for prostitution came to his newspaper to protest, not that the fact of her conviction was reported, but that the newspaper had referred to her as a “woman” rather than a “lady.” ”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_(word)

    Although i agree that the word “lady” has changed meaning as of late, a change that serves to highlight my point.

    But when i think about it more… is this the right place for me to bring this up, considering the writing style that was employed at the chateau just a few years ago?

    Our present host will decide.

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  40. on February 8, 2013 at 5:27 am Emma the Emo

    There is girl game, which goes way beyond looks. It’s just directed at locking in a guy, rather than just getting laid.

    Looks are a hook. They make the man look, and pay attention. They also create those initial “in love” feelings. Yes, they are needed, and it’s not possible to go far without them (although you’d be surprised to see what kind of women get married).

    But to have a relationship where they guy loves and fucks only you, you need girl game. It’s wrong to say it’s just for betas. In fact I would say it’s a lot more important if you’re with an alpha. He can get another pretty girl, if his current pretty girl is a bitch, boring, unhelpful or whatever. That’s the whole difficulty with alphas – a woman needs to bring more to the table than her pussy and her looks, if she wants to have him for herself.

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  41. on February 8, 2013 at 6:19 am Scray

    FR —>

    Monday:

    Not usually a night to go out, but it’s someone’s birthday. Let’s do eeet. I get there. Lots of people in social circle are there. There are three girls of interest here. One of them, HB6Asian — has on/off drama with a natural buddy of mine. The other two — HB6LittleBlondie and HB6Chunky (she’s pretty hot, but it’s only a matter of time before she crosses that ‘gain’ line….it’d be nice to get it in before she becomes a fatass lol), are ones I’m interested in.

    I get there a little late, and both of them are already drunk. HB6LittleBlondie and HB6Chunky compliment me on my haircut. No big deal, whatevs. Time goes on in the night. HB6LittleBlondie gets pretty touchy with me at one point, like, in my face, touching my face, holding my hand (it’s all really brief, I don’t really react). But you know, she’s drunk so who cares? I mean, after she was me, she was on another guy for awhile, then her and HB6Chunky got really really sloppy with one another. So ya…drunk as phuuuuck.

    In other news — I realized that I need to develop a bigger presence somehow. It’s more than just standing with open posture and being loud, I think. At least for me it will be. But hey, with time….hopefully.

    Tuesday:

    I see HB6LittleBlondie and HB6Asian, and I talk to them about hangovers/whatever. Here’s what I notice…HB6LittleBlondie seems to look at me differently now. Like, up until today/yesterday, she was fairly nonchalant (I don’t want to say cold but yeah….). Just a different vibe…she hugs me when she goes. Little shit — I don’t think much of it. Maybe we’re becoming friends or something (much to my chagrin). Then I see HB6Chunky….she’s always been sort of standoffish, but I don’t care. She tries to give me a high 5 and I say ‘we hug around here.’ She’s like ‘I’m not really a hug person, but I’ll give you a one arm blah blah blah…’ Hahahaha total creeper moment. Oh well…

    Weds:

    Get invited to go to a bar and just chill. I go. I end up sitting by HB6littleBlondie by chance. She asks how I’m doing. We talk a little bit…I can’t really pick up how the vibe’s changed.

    So HB8Waitress (from last FR) is the table’s waitress. She comes by and I’m like ‘well I haven’t decided yet…’ and she’s like ‘yeah, you want that salad, the steak salad right?” I look up at her ‘No. I don’t want that.’ “that’s the last thing you got here.’ ‘I don’t need no salad…’ She laughs and leaves. I’m wondering if Ya is right that now she remembers me because of that whole frame battle thing…..or she could just be a really good waitress.

    So then, she comes back and I’m like ‘yeah, I’m gonna get the steak…with a salad on the side.’ I smirk, and she laughs. “ooooh, well…try not to spill anything this time.’

    Last time I accidentally knocked over a glass of water on the table.

    Me: ‘nah that never happened’
    Her: ‘we have security cameras!’
    Me: ‘…and who they captured wasn’t me. Cool.’

    She laughs again. At around this time, HBLittleBlondie is like ‘oh, I think she likes you.’ I don’t say anything about it or respond, but I kind of notice this little demure head tilt from her. So regardless of whether HB8Waitress likes me or whatever….I’m pretttttty convinced that a hot chick showing ANY POSSIBLE SIGN of interest is a huuuuuge DHV. I mean, not rocket science, but like…..the group responded to me in a completely different way as well.

    Later, we play shuffleboard…me and natural buddy v. HBlittleblondie and HBChunky. I make a little joke about how I play ‘street shuffleboard’ and that I may shoulder check HBLittleBlondie, she says that she may shoulder check me back. I say ‘oh yeah? Why don’t you practice your shoulder check on me now…let’s see what you got.’ She’s like ‘you’ll see when it happens.’ So…I mean, she didn’t do it.

    Anyway, we owned them at shuffleboard because lol they’re girls and they left, and she hugged me again. I’m having trouble describing this ‘vibe shift’ I’m feeling. But reading all of this over, maybe I’m just reading too much into it. Maybe she’s just becoming ‘cool’ with me. She has a boyfriend, too…soooo yaaaaaaa.

    Thurs:

    Earlier in the day I see Jessica aka HB6.5Rodrigo. I remember Ya’s advice. So, I just say hey what’s up, and initiate a bunch of conversation. She says something about wanting to be a partner one day and I’m like ‘oh ya, how many cats you planning on buying? Let me guess…10?’

    She’s like ‘nah, that’s too many.’

    ‘Five cats?’

    ‘I don’t know, still too many.’

    And I’m like….welllllllllll….I think I should just flirt/creepout/whatever with any girl in my life because I mean….the alternative is LJBF listen to me talk about guys I’m attracted to land.

    So…..I make sure to just add

    ‘Okay, well you can’t have any more than 5 cats at the wedding.’

    She laughs and rolls her eyes. It’s quite possible that she’s so socially savvy that she can hide her discomfort this well. Coolies.

    ‘But they all have to be thundercats….if they aren’t thundercats, then fuck off with the cats.’

    ‘Well, I don’t even think that’s possible…’

    ‘Wow you’re such a bitch, I just want some fucking thundercats for the reception!’

    ‘Well I mean…I don’t know…they don’t exist.’

    I just shake my head, then I just don’t say anything for a few seconds. Then she just says she has to go home to do blah blah blah.

    Later Thurs:

    Mark — FatBoy from now on — apparently met some girl at a bar that he’s gonna stay and talk to, which means he’s out of the project for the night. I call up Ted — CrazyMex from now on. CrazyMex has to work.

    …

    I always knew this day would come. I’ve never sarged completely alone before, but the choice remains — stay at home or go out alone. I suit up and decide to hit a club. The goal is simple — 5 sets for the night and I can go home. Easy, breezy.

    I’m nervous going there. I’m nervous walking to the club. I’m nervous standing in line at the club. I can’t follow the 3 second rule for shit. I get to the club at around 11. I see a few people around me in line — some older women with their herbsbands. You know what would be a good idea? Talking to them, getting into a social mood. Nah, I pass and just stand there.

    Soon enough I get let into the club. So, it’s set up weird…like a faux dancefloor/restaurant on the bottom floor, club on the top floor. Easy. I get into the bottom floor and I completely chode out. I immediately see a mixed set directly in my line of vision. Opened? Nah. I walk toward the bar, and I see another set of serious HB’s. Do I open? Of course not, I -reason- with myself that just walking over there by the wall would be ridiculous if I was asking for an opinion and was ‘just passing through.’ Hasn’t been 5 minutes and my night’s already in trouble.

    I circle around and go to the bathroom. I wash my face. I lower my goal of 5 sets to 3. 3 seems like something I can do with all of this inner nervousness. I head out of the bathroom and walk upstairs to the club. The club’s layout is weird. It’s a long strip with a bar at both ends, steps up to a dancefloor in the middle, a more intimate dancefloor + a bar at the other end, tucked away, and tables/booths on either side of the strip. It’s loud as all hell. I walk through — surprisingly enough, I have a hard time finding a set to open. I don’t feel confident enough to open sets where two girls are there with two guys and oldies (surprisingly a lot of them out in force as I’ll get to later).

    Finally, I find three girls…6, 7, 6.5. I stop, and I deliver the drug dealer opener. I mean, I say it as loud as I can. All three of them look at one another, the 6 leans in. They don’t know what I’m saying. I don’t lean forward, I stay where I am, and I repeat it louder. The 6 still can’t hear what I’m saying, the other girls look at the 6, the 6 sort of shrugs, and the group splinters. The 7 turns around from being dragged away and asks what I’m saying one last time. I stay where I am, but I repeat at the same volume. She seems confused…then her friend, the 6 says something, shaking her head, then they leave. Phuck. One set down.

    Set two, I turn away from the last set and walk into that little tucked away dancefloor + bar. Three girls at the bar. 4, 5, 6.5. Deliver the opener. They all turn toward me — good sign. The 6.5 can’t hear what I’m saying (fucking again, these goddamned clubs!), she turns to her friends — they have no idea what I’m saying. Shit. She leans in closer — I’m not leaning in, fuck it, I don’t have to hear shit. I notice that she has a bit of an accent. I do the hairdresser thing, she says no, but then she says that she does her own hair but she’s not a hairdresser. She’s standing a little closer to me. I say that my friend’s a hairdresser. She laughs, but it’s not because of anything I said…she’s just like ‘I’m sorry, I cannot hear anything and my english is also not so good.’

    I roll with it and say ‘all right, I’m gonna guess where you’re from…’

    She’s like ‘okay, you get three guesses….’

    Is this a shit test already? I have no clue, but I just don’t respond and I say

    ‘Spain..’
    She shakes her head ‘nope.’ Now, this isn’t flat or anything, we’re having a conversation.
    ‘Canada…’
    Nope.
    ‘Mexico…’
    She seems shocked by that one, and I smirk.
    ‘Okay, you didn’t it in three guesses!’

    I feel like this is some sort of frame battle…

    ‘Well what stupid unguessable country are you from?’

    ‘I’m from Switzerland!’

    ‘Hahaha no wonder I didn’t notice.’

    See, I think that’s a funny line. Problem is I’m pretty sure she didn’t even hear it. For fuck’s sake.

    I keep plowing.

    ‘That’s interesting…..a girl I went out with a few years ago was Swiss.’

    ‘Oh yeah?’

    ‘Yeah, she was fucking crazy.’

    ‘Yeah, all swiss are crazy…for sure.’

    I notice now that the 5 has left and the 4 is just standing there. So I try to get the uggo involved like, you know ‘who are you…blah blah blah.’ Naturally, no one can hear shit. And that’s when I’m like ‘well, this set is fucked if I don’t get them somewhere to talk and I’m not there, so I should just leave…but not without trying first.’

    ‘You’re right, I can’t hear anything, we should go over there and talk.’

    ‘Oh I don’t know, I think I’m going to stay over here with my friends.’

    Her and uggo join her friends — there’s more than just three — on the little dancefloor. She turns

    ‘but maybe we’ll run into you later.’

    I nod. Hey, at least she was polite. Two sets down.

    I walk all the way to the other end of that strip. I’m wary now, because I realize that several sets of 3 girls, really are likely sets of like 9 girls, and so I try to make sure that I don’t re-approach a set that has people I’ve already opened in it.

    So near the bar, I see these three chicks who LOOK LIKE a 6, 7, 8…young, college age. Sweet. Of course, I don’t follow the three second rule. I sit at the bar, nursing my water like a chode champion for like two or three minutes (thankfully some fatter chode obscures their view of me). Then, I charge in. But then they turn around….house of horrors…subtract two points, they’re all older than I’d like. Fat and age have dragged the 6 down to like a 4. Fuck it, I’m here now.

    The 4, however, becomes sort of an anchor. I talk to her about stuff. Like, I do the hairdresser thing — she’s not a hairdresser. She divulges that all of them are nurses. She does stuff, like she leans in close, she touches me sometimes. She talks about how her and the group got trashed last night (I don’t give a shit btw). I try to anchor myself to how I feel talking to them, because I need to transfer it. I mean, I talk about a lot of sex-related stuff. I weaved together a story (I’m not sure if it’s DHV yet….) from various other stories…it involves getting a blowjob from a friend in a car, then twenty minutes later — post blowjay — crashing said car as a way to avoid being in a relationship with her because she was so crazy. I’m not sure what to make of the reaction to the story…on the one hand, she was like geez, and sort of admonished me about ‘drunk driving.’ On the other hand….I kinda think the reaction wasn’t bad. I’m not sure. So then, I notice that their group has swelled to like 7 or 8 people.

    A 4.5 is on the outskirts, so I think to myself — well, maybe what I need to learn how to do is to get all of these people on my side and talking to me. So I walk up to her and I’m like ‘hey, I’m gonna be like you. I’m just gonna chill here. I’m gonna stand with my drink.’

    She kinda laughs at it.

    Then I’m like ‘so what do you do in this group?’

    ‘What?’

    ‘Like…who are you to them?’

    ‘I don’t know what you mean…’

    ‘Like…what fucking value do you throw out there, what do you bring to the table? Are you the goth chick, the crazy chick — is that you?’

    She says no, and then I ask who the crazy one is. She talks about some woman with blonde hair who isn’t there atm. Whatevz. She says she’s the mother hen, then I ask one of her friends — 6 (she was an 8 10-11 years ago I’m sure). Blah blah blah. Blondie shows up. Blondie is like a 5.5-6. I talk to blondie for awhile. She’s cool. They all mention that they have husbands and kids. I don’t really care…for some reason I doubt that would stop them from cheating on them. She talks about a plane ride or something and how you have to have alcohol on planes. As someone who’s deathly afraid of flying, I just say that Ativan + Ondansetron + Clonidine is the only cocktail for flight. She laughs. I tell the same car blowjob story to Blondie and she laughs, and is like ‘wow…no, I’ve never done anything like that.’ Blondie is leaning in close, laughing at my jokes, but after awhile I’m like ‘I didn’t come out here to try and fuck some old ladies. I could already do that. Whatever group theory lesson I’ve learned here, I’ve already learned.’ I eject. 4 gives me a hug. Yck.

    3 sets, yay!
    Nah, I’m not done yet.

    The club’s logistics are piss poor, so I go downstairs. Immediately, I see three HB’s…7, 7, 8 at the end of the bar. Here we go. 10 feet away, the bartender gets their attention and starts talking. Bad time…I make a stealth circuit to the bathroom, take care of business, and decide to reapproach. That smooth motherfucker is still talking to them. I’m not confident enough to come into this kind of situation, so I just start walking out.

    Then, I notice a few girls sitting in a round seat. Here goes nothing. I turn, 45 degree, body language solid (or it feels that way). Then, I realize that the set is 9 girls…cougar/puma mix, it’s a 6-8 spread. I get their attention with the opener, then I single one of them out for the hairdresser comment. She says ‘no,’ and then I say the typical ‘oh my friend blah blah blah…’ Then, I add ‘yeah….she’s crazy though….you seem crazy too.’ She leans forward (unsure if she’s tooling or joking or whatever) ‘ooooh yeaaah, I’m crazy…’ (makes the loco gesture) ‘…for real.’

    And then….idkwtf, I just laugh and eject.
    Well hey, 4 sets, right?
    Nah. FUCK THAT. Can’t leave on a bitch out note.

    I go to another venue.
    I finally follow the 3 second rule and just open the first few bitches I see. Nothing special here, a 5, and a 5.5. They actually take time to consider the opener, and before I can do anything else, two previously unseen girls swoop in and off they walk. The 5.5 lingered for a second.

    Phuuuuuck.

    I leave that place and just walk down the street to another place. I walk throughout the place — downstairs is fairly empty, close-knit social gatherings of like 9-10 people, so I just go upstairs. Same thing, but I notice a single set, and I make brief eye contact with a girl in the set. And I….just keep walking. I start descending the stairs, and I think ‘for fuck’s sake. Okay, I’m going to go to the restroom, splash my face, come back and open that set.’ I do this, however, by the time I go back…those two girls are walking down the stairs.

    Fuck it, this set is impossible but time to try.
    I do the opener, and sure enough EYE CONTACT GIRL LINGERS FOR A SECOND….maybe it’s a coincidence, she seemed like she just wanted to know what I was saying. Her friend pulled her away, and then some guy coming up the stairs behind me is like ‘what, what’s up man?’ I just kinda give him the opinion opener. The good thing about it is that the whole ‘two girls asked me for weed..’ makes it seem honest.

    Now, I go BACK to the other venue. I see a two set. Here we go. Two set, one girl is a 7 and the other girl is a 6.5. Opinion opener. Now I’m starting to notice that — when people can fucking hear the opener — I’m getting this sort of ‘you have our attention’ vibe. I launch into the hairdresser thing to the 7. She’s not a hairdresser, but I just launch into the ‘crazy’ routine. Then she’s like ‘oh yeah I’m crazy!’

    And then I’m like ‘really? see I thought she (indicating 6.5) would be the crazy one.’ They both laugh.

    7: ‘what you’re like the first person to think that she would even be crazy!’

    6.5: ‘yeah I’m like the little quiet one and -she’s- the crazy one!’

    Me: Exactly, I mean…the quiet ones are always truly the craziest. Like…I feel like if I was in a relationship with 6.5, she’d just fucking stab me or something when she inevitably found my mistresses’s texts….whereas you, 7 would you know…yell at me or something.

    7: Psh….I would fucking cut your dick off.

    ….Scraybrain short-circuit, has no idea what to say.

    Me: WHAT?

    They laugh. Mentally wish I would have done something cooler — was that a shit test? I don’t fucken know man, but I hella reacted lol.

    Me: how do you know one another?

    6.5: Work

    Me: Oh yeah…so you probably are a ….

    7: SHE’S a hairdresser

    Me: Oh hahahahahaah, yeah that makes sense. I see it now!

    Then, their friend who apparently left them to talk to the group to our left, shouts something at them.

    7: She left us to talk to them!

    (6.5 scoots away to talk to the other friend)

    7: Now I’m all alone!

    I’m still standing there — been rock solid in my body language, and I consider saying something like ‘oh well you have me’ or some shit like that. But I pass. I still think I’m building attraction A2 style.

    Me: Man, that sucks. Your life is just dogshit right now.

    The 7 laughs.

    Then their friend comes in — their friend is obviously the crazy one. But she’s also not so hot…maybe a 5-5.5 (she has braces lol). They stand up and ready to leave. For fuck’s sake, this again? Now I’m convinced I did something wrong.

    But I just accept defeat.

    ‘Yeah, hey nice meeting you guys.’

    7: Yeah, it was definitely cool meeting you.

    No names, no nothing. Ugh. Oh well, that makes 7 sets. I’m two past my goal. I call it a night.

    —–

    I’m getting like 0 results lol.
    I mean, I’m trying to learn, and occasionally I think some stuff comes to me. Like, this A1 — social hook point — A2. I really think that your transition material gets you to the social hook point. I kinda think that the whole ‘cold read’ is for when you’re close or at the social hook point. So I’m going to try and get a routine for after the opener but before I just bust out the hairdresser thing. I think that will work well. I just can’t think of the right type of social canopener for that phase in the interaction.

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 1:20 pm PetiteOlive

      Scray! Beggining to look forward to reading your daily week recaps and reading Ya’s and Imm’s inputs. Interesting stuff and the growth is becoming more evident.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 4:23 pm YaReally

        I think it’s easier for us (and anyone reading in general) to see Scray’s progress than it is for him, being in the eye of the tornado and all that. 🙂 The guy’s first FR was about trying to dance up to a 6 and getting sneered at and being the asexual little sidekick of his social circle with no identity. Now he’s approaching 3-sets and holding their attention, and girls in his social circle are treating him like he’s not an insignificant wallflower, he’s teasing HB8Waitresses, etc.

        It’s not raining pussy from the sky onto his dick or anything yet, but this is a slow process and there are little improvements going on that will build up over time into something more solid. Building a foundation of social skills as his identity starts to take shape and solidify itself. It will all pay off down the road. I know because I started off worse off than him lol 🙂

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 11:43 pm gunslingergregi

        yea the dudes doin it

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 4:02 pm YaReally

      “I realized that I need to develop a bigger presence somehow.”

      A bigger presence means making other people react to you, instead of you reacting to them. It’s taking over the frame and having everyone follow you instead of playing along with the frame someone else sets.

      Remember way back when you first got a taste of “social dominance” when you had like a 3-set of chicks reacting to you? That’s presence.

      Check out these Tyler approaches from 29 seconds and on:

      The girls CAN’T ignore him, they may blow him out, or they make be into him, but either way they HAVE to react to him. He gets in their space, pulls them in, hugs them, picks them up and carries them around, everything right off the bat…the girls are playing “catch up” and reacting to his presence the whole time. Guys fade into the background, and all their girlfriends react too because there’s just this tornado blasting through their set.

      You don’t have to be trying to make out with your whole social circle in the middle of the day or anything, but like, the key is in making people react to your presence.

      “HB6LittleBlondie and HB6Chunky compliment me on my haircut. No big deal, whatevs.”
      “HB6LittleBlondie gets pretty touchy with me at one point, like, in my face, touching my face, holding my hand”
      “she hugs me when she goes.”
      “I kind of notice this little demure head tilt from her.”

      lol. How big a clue hammer do you need to be hit over the head with? 😀 I’m not saying pursue it because she has a boyfriend and all, but it’s pretty clear that she sees you as attractive.

      The problem is you keep doing this bullshit…tell me if you notice a pattern here:

      “HB6LittleBlondie gets pretty touchy with me at one point, like, in my face, touching my face, holding my hand”
      “But you know, she’s drunk so who cares?”

      “she hugs me when she goes.”
      “Maybe we’re becoming friends or somethin”

      “I’m wondering if Ya is right that now she remembers me because of that whole frame battle thing…”
      “..or she could just be a really good waitress.”

      “I’m having trouble describing this ‘vibe shift’ I’m feeling.”
      “maybe I’m just reading too much into it.”

      “sure enough EYE CONTACT GIRL LINGERS FOR A SECOND…
      “…maybe it’s a coincidence.”

      lol quit talking yourself out of the notion that girls could be attracted to you. 🙂

      I’ll do a more in-depth breakdown later but just to address the conclusion here:

      “I’m getting like 0 results lol.”

      You’re getting 0 pussy, but you’re getting results. It’s a slow process. 🙂 If you were training to be a quarterback, you wouldn’t be at 30-ish throws and going “I suck, I still can’t throw it far enough.”

      That’s why I say don’t stress getting actual pussy till spring/summer…right now you’re building your social skills foundation that you’ll build off later. There are a LOT of little things to internalize, and any set you go into you only get to internalize 3 or 4 things out of it, and those only get just a bit more solid.

      You’ve got girls in your social circle flirting with you, an HB8Waitress who will never forget you and you can flirt with and use as social proof, you went out SOLO *AND* cold-approached 7 sets. You know how many of your friends have gone out solo and legit cold-approached 7 sets? Not very fucking many, if any at all.

      Hell, I had nights where I’d go out, and be so chicken-shit that I’d just wander around like you did at the start thinking “shit I should’ve opened them, I should be talking to this girl but I’m not aghghghg, crap I should’ve said something to that girl, why did I walk past that easy set ahghgh” for like 4 hours, then go home, not having spoken a single word to ANYONE lol The fact that you forced yourself to try to at least achieve your goal of 3 sets is great, and the fact that you kept going AFTER those 3 sets is even better. You have a great attitude/determination for getting good at this. You just need to be patient and celebrate the little victories. 🙂

      “I really think that your transition material gets you to the social hook point.”

      Yup, a lot of guys drop an opener and then wait for the girl to jump in and take them to the hook point but it doesn’t work like that. It’s asking the girl to invest too much too soon before you have any value to her. So we use the 90/10 rule and transition from the opener into cold-reading, flirting, innuendo, group dynamics, etc. like you’re doing now with the hairdresser and “you seem crazy” stuff.

      “I kinda think that the whole ‘cold read’ is for when you’re close or at the social hook point.”

      The problem is you’re cold-reading and then waiting for the girl to take it further. A smooth pickup will flow like water from opener, to cold-reads, to innuendo, to qualifying, to escalating, etc. Right now your start is getting smoother but your flow crashes right before A2.

      Try throwing in some role-playing. One of Tyler’s old-school ones that I’ve always liked riffing off is something like “You and I would never get along. You know why? We’re too similar. You wouldn’t take my shit, and I wouldn’t take yours. Everywhere we go we’d have to carry around foam Nerf bats just to smack eachother. We’d fight all the time, break up, then have crazy make-up sex and just start fighting again. I don’t know if I can handle all that drama. You aren’t drama, are you?”

      Here’s a bunch of random shit off the top of my head that I would transition with off the crazy bit:

      “My hairdresser friend was crazy. You seem crazy too.”
      “Oh ya, I’m crazy!”
      “I’m crazy too. You and I would never get along…we’re too similar–”

      “My hairdresser friend was crazy. You seem crazy too.”
      “Oh ya, I’m crazy!”
      “(pull her in) Maybe I LIKE crazy.”

      “My hairdresser friend was crazy. You seem crazy too.”
      “Oh ya, I’m crazy!”
      “Now I’m worried. When we hook up later and I don’t call you back, you’re not going to pee on my car are you? It’s happened to me before!”

      “My hairdresser friend was crazy. You seem crazy too.”
      “Oh ya, I’m crazy!”
      “I’m crazy too. Crazy in bed. You seem like the 50 Shades of Grey type.”

      “My hairdresser friend was crazy. You seem crazy too.”
      “Oh ya, I’m crazy!”
      “Thanks for the warning. I guess we’ll just have to keep our relationship to shallow, meaningless, but incredibly mind-blowing, sex.”

      “My hairdresser friend was crazy. You seem crazy too.”
      “Oh ya, I’m crazy!”
      “The last girl that told me she was crazy ended up peeing on my car when I broke up with her. You haven’t done anything like that have you? Because I just got it washed recently.”

      “My hairdresser friend was crazy. You seem crazy too.”
      “Oh ya, I’m crazy!”
      “Shit, let me guess, you’re going to end up getting hammered and dancing topless on a speaker later while your friends all pretend not to know you. No, it’s fine, I’m not judging…I’ll be right there in front row stuffing dollar bills in your g-string.”

      “My hairdresser friend was crazy. You seem crazy too.”
      “Oh ya, I’m crazy!”
      “Ya, I can tell. But they say crazy outside of the bedroom means crazy inside the bedroom. What do you think? Are you going to leave scratch-marks down my back later? You seem like the 50 Shades of Grey type.”

      Basically what I try to do is lead it into some kind of role-play and/or innuendo and/or qualifying and/or future-projection that we’re going to hook up. This is that smooth transition/flow that I mean, where we start talking about hairdressing but then it flows via a cold-read into crazy but then it flows into these other areas, so next thing they know we’re talking about kinky 50 Shades of Grey sex experiences and they don’t even really realize how we got there. 🙂

      The idea is that I keep them reacting to me, VS dropping something then “backing off” and reacting to them. So a lot of guys will be like:

      Guy: “Where are you from?”
      Girl: “Guess.”
      “Mexico?”
      “OMG you got it!!”
      “Cool, so when did you move here?”

      So it’s like it flowed then crashed and a second flow started over from scratch. Whereas my version of this would look more like:

      Guy: “Where are you from?”
      Girl: “Guess.”
      “You shake your ass like you’re Mexican.”
      “Lol omg you got it!!”
      “My buddy told me Mexican girls are shitty in bed and you make the guy do all the work lol”

      Like now I’ve smoothly transitioned into qualifying her bedroom skills, within that same original flow, instead of cutting it off and changing threads entirely. And she has to play keep-up with me because I’m leading the interaction and making her react to these flattering, offensive, flirty, teasing, etc. things I’m saying.

      Not sure if this makes sense, I was up late last night and my head hurts lol But hopefully it gives you some ideas to play with this weekend.

      “7: Now I’m all alone!”

      Also this was a perfect opportunity. 🙂 I’d do something like “Finally, we’re alone. Now I can take advantage of you.” (with a grin, obviously fucking around) and pull her in and joke about how I’m going to woo her etc. (but I would actually be turning her so her back is to her group)…then when her friends come back I have kino established and I can interrupt the friends as they come over and role-play “Ya, 7 and I (hugging her) are going to use eachother for sex tonight. We hope you approve of our union, we want your blessings before we run off into the night to have our way with eachother.” etc. Always setting a sexual future-projection role-playing etc. frame, and note that to something like that, the 7 and her friends would HAVE to react to me.

      They might blow me out, but at least I won’t get stuck standing there with my dick in my hand hoping they throw me a conversational bone to gnaw on. 🙂

      Part of why you’re “getting 0 results” is you’re not trying for results yet. You’re just trying to get social acceptance right now. You’re not trying to get phone numbers or makeouts or taking the girls home…they won’t just offer that shit up (unless you come off as super high value), you gotta’ be directing the interaction toward it from the word Go. 🙂 Is HB8Waitress going to just go “instead of the steak and salad, how about I give you a blowjob”? Fuck no lol But you can start role-playing with her like “Why do you know my order? Are you stalking me? Are you lurking outside my bedroom window at night?” etc. and building Attraction and then escalating to stuff like “You should come stalk me at Blah Bar tonight, what time are you off? Give me your # and I’ll text you later.” From there if she shows up you can escalate to stuff like “Oh, you showed up, I KNEW you were stalking me. You must be crazy. Is your bedroom full of pictures of me? No, don’t answer that, I’ll see it in person myself when I take advantage of you later.”

      When you’re doing that kind of stuff and they’re denying you the phone numbers or the makeouts or the sexxins, THEN you can say “I’m getting 0 results”…and then we can work on figuring out where your shit is breaking down and tweak it to work better. 🙂

      “7: Psh….I would fucking cut your dick off.

      ….Scraybrain short-circuit, has no idea what to say.

      Me: WHAT?”

      You know THAT feeling you had? Where you short-circuited? That’s what you want girls to feel when they talk to you. Like you’re just this tornado of charisma and intent and they’re just like “wtf is going on?? who is this guy?? where am I?? what–but–I–??” That’s the feeling of reacting to someone else who has a stronger frame/reality than you. 🙂

      Good luck, I’ll try breaking down some other parts later! I gotta’ get some work done lol fuck this post is disjointed I bet, I’m so effin tired.

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  42. on February 8, 2013 at 6:33 am Emma the Emo

    What is DTF??

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 7:41 am Unending Improvement

      Down to Fuck.

      DTF Dave from http://bangsomechicks.com/ can tell you more.

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 7:54 am The Chrome Microphone

      Down to fuck

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  43. on February 8, 2013 at 7:30 am tickletik

    So in effect, youve said that Nick Savoy is

    1. Bisexual

    [Heartiste: No. I said he sounds gay, but that it would be wrong for people to think gay-sounding men can’t do well with women.]

    2. Is dishonest / lacks the balls to speak the truth directly

    [Omission of truth is not the same as commission of lies. I don’t blame him for not giving it to those two broads straight. He did the smart thing.]

    3. Sells worthless shit to morons he panders to

    [I didn’t say that. You are like so many trolls putting words in my mouth. Do you want a banning?]

    4. Is a pussified canadian (“although hes canadian, I have nothing against the guy” meaning that normal people would despise him for that alone)

    [I stand accused.]

    5. You havent even bothered to read what he’s written, you just rely on other peoples opinions

    [No, I’m relying strictly on what I hear in this video. If the book is better, I will make note of it.]

    See folks, this is why you dont piss off a real patriot.

    [Hoo boy.]

    He may have to accept his country is getting flushed down the toilet, but you really dont want to be a target for his frustration.

    [Dude, like an old woman’s vagina, you have a really loose definition of frustration.]

    Good for you H.

    [Mit pleazure!]

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 7:59 am Tilikum

      Either you bought the book or are half gay from Toronto.

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  44. on February 8, 2013 at 8:33 am Canadian Friend

    “… Although he’s Canadian, I have nothing against the guy….”

    huh?

    What is wrong with Canadians?

    [Heartiste: Sheesh. humor… head… whoosh. I’m kidding guys. Or am I?]

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 3:48 pm Canadian Friend

      I’m not offended, just curious ( I guess I could have used a smiley )

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  45. on February 8, 2013 at 9:49 am Flavia

    “Be young and hot, ladies.”

    Now I certainly agree with that. However (and I am not familiar with girl game) one has to establish that “game” and “girl game” should have completely different conclusions.

    The purpose of game is to learn to bed as many high quality girls (willing) as possible, and eventually (if you want to have kids) land a younger, beautiful wife who is kind and obedient (or I suppose for more advanced alphas, take the hottest chick you can find and mold her into what you want her to be).

    I think the problem with the reactionary “girl game” is that it seeks to mimic actual “game”….and then yes I would agree the best tactic is to be hot, and receptive. But that’s not girl game. That’s cum dumpster game.

    The REAL purpose of girl game should be, “to use your prime years to land the best HUSBAND you can.” If this is real “girl game” which I think it SHOULD be, then there are other attributes, besides hotness that can play into account. Attractiveness is most important, but knowing the type of man to choose, and treating him with devotion are also not without merit.

    Funny how the feminist erosion of traditional values made women’s looks MORE important, not less.

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 10:12 am PetiteOlive

      “Funny how the feminist erosion of traditional values made women’s looks MORE important, not less.”

      If I understand you correctly you are saying that feminism made women’s looks more important, not less? I respectfully disagree. In fact, feminism IS one the VERY reasons, women are not putting more time into their appearance. Feminism is the reason why a lot of women suscribe to the “love me as I am” mentality whether they are 300 pounds whales or bald headed beauties. Go to more traditional societies and see how women take importance in things like exercising, eating right, wearing make up, heels, jewelry etc and look at more feminist countries and notice the complete opposite.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 1:01 pm Kate

        I think what she’s saying is that since feminism has robbed women of feminine charm in attitude, behavior, decorum, etc. the only thing left that a man would find attractive in her is her looks, thereby making it more important than before.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 1:18 pm PetiteOlive

        Ahhh Okay…makes more sense.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 1:20 pm Maldek

        “Ahhh Okay…makes more sense.”

        Haha the moment a woman gives a (+) to such a comment, you know you have hit the ground.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 4:04 pm Canadian Friend

        Feminism may have changed women ( to an extent), but it has not changed what men look for in a woman

        Feminism gave us women with University degrees and big paying jobs, but men do not care much for that

        and the more feminism creates this type of women , the harder it is to deny men prefer something more “traditional” or more basic such as good looks/femininity, being kind and somewhat submissive

        Arghhh!I’m not doing a good job of explaining my point

        let me try this,

        feminism by trying to deny human nature only makes it harder to deny human nature; men don’t like powerful women but feminine women

        ( in my defense; I only got 3 hours of sleep last night, my brain is mush… )

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  46. on February 8, 2013 at 10:11 am YabbaDabbaDo

    I give give a woman advice on how to find a man in one word. “Settle.” Stop thinking you deserve a 10. Stop thinking you deserve Mr. Wall Street. You’re 31, your ass is starting to droop and you really don’t bring that much to the table. Find a guy who is not that attractive as you, who will be memorized that your ass wants to have sex with him and marry him. How hard is it to find an average looking guy makign 150k?? There is a sea of them.

    This blog noted the real problem with American women. “They have to much self-esteem”

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 10:40 am Maldek

      This average looking guy making 150K could have a 20 yo perfect 10 from ukraine any day.

      If he takes the 31 year old with drooping ass he must be a ultra-beta or plain simply stupid. I would consider this guy out of league for her, no matter how much money SHE makes.

      If she is 31, has a career and just dropped from 7 to 6 due to age she should aim for a 5 guy. Meaning average looking, with some flaws (like children from past marriage), blue pill-beta dude who got a job with less than 50K.

      The only pre-requisite beeing he wants to fuck you AND is willing to have kids with you. Marriage would perhaps be asked too much already. Get real.

      If you are in that age and in that condition this is your last chance. In 10 years from now this same dude wouldnt even date you and that includes his 10 years older self.

      Think about it. Tick, Tick, Tick.

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  47. on February 8, 2013 at 11:36 am PetiteOlive

    Wife Slain in bathroom had sex with paramour in public bathroom before being killed.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/turkish_bath_voom_AO6xaUk9Im5NNUn1jQvba

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 12:25 pm Anonimoose

      Eat, Pray, Love gone wrong. ‘Gina tingles is what she wanted and got. Hope Savoy put in a chapter on personal safety precautions in his book on how to pick up Alpha males.

      I feel sorry for the husband finding out how he did because he would never have known or suspected otherwise. Looking at the bright side he has avoided the tons of rejection heartache, has full custody of his children, no alimony and no divorce lawyer bills.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 2:21 pm PetiteOlive

        “Looking at the bright side he has avoided the tons of rejection heartache, has full custody of his children, no alimony and no divorce lawyer bills.”
        That’s really the only positive of this sitch

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 2:08 pm Anonymous

      Wages of sin… sorry to wax Biblical, but don’t go asking for trouble and you won’t get it.

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 2:15 pm Anonymous

      working link
      http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/turkish_bath_voom_AO6xaUk9Im5NNUn1jQvbaJ

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 2:35 pm Anonimoose

      More complete story here:

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2275605/Sarai-Sierra-New-York-mother-murdered-Turkey-sex-secret-lover-bar-restroom-day-bludgeoned-death.html

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 4:08 pm Canadian Friend

      I get ” page not found” when I click the link?…

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 6:17 pm Anonymous

      Quoting the husband:

      ““I had to be honest with them, unfortunately. I told them that mommy got hurt . . . and she died.”” … “of hypergamy”

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      • on February 10, 2013 at 10:03 am Anonymous

        See, kids, thinking with your crotch can be hazardous to your health.

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  48. on February 8, 2013 at 12:24 pm The Chrome Microphone

    Surprised nobody mentioned the woman on the left

    Jesus Christ that face

    Looks like someone stabbed up a block of wood with a chisel and dropped a wig on it

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  49. on February 8, 2013 at 12:57 pm Unending Improvement

    Surely the honorable GBFM should have a take on all of this, no?

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  50. on February 8, 2013 at 1:38 pm tm

    “Science! has discovered bisexual men — who are a subclass of the class of effeminate men — have more female partners on average than do exclusively heterosexual men.”

    Hugo Schwyzer without feminist sycophancy?

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 4:16 pm Canadian Friend

      “Science! has discovered bisexual men — who are a subclass of the class of effeminate men — have more female partners on average than do exclusively heterosexual men.”

      In light of this, I am more disgusted by gay/bisexual men AND by the type of women who have sex with them

      they are the ones who transmit AIDS and other horrible diseases

      Don’t agree? before the gay lifestyle exploded there was no AIDS and every large city where there are a lot of gay/bisexual men has higher rates of most venereal diseases

      Sorry no links, but I have read half a dozen articles, and it is a fact, gay/bisexual men are responsible for spreading a lot of venereal disease because they will stick their dick in almost anyone and anything and can have 20 different partners in one night at the their favorite bath house.

      It has nothing to do with hate, those are facts.

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  51. on February 8, 2013 at 8:38 pm Dale

    Certainly there is a need for “girl game” or the Rules Revisisted. I had several women lose out on me by playing games (and I know they wanted to go further with me.)

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  52. on February 13, 2013 at 7:53 am finndistan

    Movie second 00:01

    ManliestManJaw & Triple Chin….

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  53. on February 15, 2013 at 9:52 am xsnake

    This guy dates females?

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