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Reader Mailbag: Dewy Vaj Edition

February 8, 2013 by CH

Email #1

To get the formalities out of the way – it took me 2 years but I’ve ascended from horrifying betahood into what I like to think is the domain of the lesser alpha. Either way, these days I GET things, and I see things for how they are.

However, there is one question that I keep wondering about – what is the perceived effect of omitting some alpha male rules? To be specific – showing up late. I understand the workings behind it, the DHV, and I have no problems with it if I am arriving into a social circle (“We’ll meet up at XXXXXXX at 8, see you there!”), but I loathe it when when people are waiting for me, and on one-on-one dates, I tend to arrive on time more often than not. Just how big is the effect of turning a blind eye to this or that game concept in favor of a more personalized style? How unbendable is any of the concepts depending on context?

Ok, spergs and strawmen, it’s time for a quick lesson in basic human reality. I can’t believe this needs saying, but apparently it does. You’d think some of this stuff would be inferred in CH writings, but never leave to inference what a hater with a chip on his shoulder will twist into a self-serving ego fap.

Alpha and beta are not discrete categories of man. They are not precisely numbered and annotated bullet lists of behaviors that, should you fail to fulfill one item or execute another item twice more than advised, will automatically shuttle you up or down the male sexual value hierarchy and leave you stranded there permanently. Alpha and beta are ecological designations with fuzzy boundaries but which are still nonetheless readily apprehended, much like a desert is distinct from a grassy plain yet one would be hard pressed to identify the exact border that delineates the regions.

So it is with your question. CH, and others, have suggested that it is good alpha mojo to show up five fashionable minutes late for a first date, because doing so subtly signals your higher relative value to the girl, and higher value, when you get right down to it, is the name of the game. But if you prefer to show up on time for dates, it isn’t going to deep six your sexiness AS LONG AS you have enough alpha characteristics in the kitty. If she arrives later than you and sees you at the bar waiting patiently, the immediate value differential she may perceive won’t matter if she also gets to watch you yukking it up with the patrons, and you greet her confidently and suavely and lead the date toward a sexual apex.

Furthermore, you can get away with committing a whole slew of bland beta errors if you have enough compensating alpha traits acting as a balance. This is why you will often hear alphas charmingly self-deprecate; they have so much value in store that it doesn’t hurt them to lose (in a controlled manner) a couple points here and there. In fact, it can help them, by making them seem more attainable to women.

To put it succinctly: The core tenets of game are universally applicable, but the culturally or individually attuned applications of those tenets can vary. Within reason.

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Email #2

It’s well known that masculine men and feminine women are natural partners, but are extroverted men and introverted women also natural partners?

An extroverted men is confident and well liked. He’s comfortable in conversation and can approach without being awkward. His popularity likely leads to social proof, and his social grace gives him high earning power in management, sales, and negotiation. He can provide emotions and resources to his mate.

An introverted woman is less likely to talk to random strangers, and therefore there are fewer opportunities for her to accumulate a count, or to stray in a relationship. The introverted woman sounds boring, maybe in bed too, but that is a trade-off many men make for a pure woman.

Quick take:

Extrovert man-Introvert woman: Good match. Strong love polarity. Dewy vaj at sight of him expertly working a room. Rock hard protective instinct for shy, modest woman. But she’ll wanna know just how much cheating, fucking around, and general mayhem he commits on his social sojourns.

Extrovert man-Extrovert woman: Explosive match. Strong sexual polarity. Will fuck in public locale on second date. Will never stop playing head games for the upper hand. Overpowering jealousy could lead to criminal indictment or revenge infidelity. Long-term prognosis: nonexistent. Paternity assurance: nonexistent. Domestic violence: Awkwardly likely. Anal sex: Guaranteed.

Introvert man-Introvert woman: Beta male fantasy match. Tepid sexual polarity, strong sensibility polarity. Best relationship in the world three weeks out of the month. Worst relationship in the world one week out of the month. Cuddles and kisses substitute for hot, penetrative sex until he goes Anders Breivik and acquires the inevitable mass murderer SMV boost.

Introvert man-Extrovert woman: Strong complementary match, if introverted man is more stoic alpha than retiring beta, and extroverted woman is more social circle glue than thrill seeking slut. Warm powerful love with puzzling bouts of sexual drought. High risk of cuckoldry. Must be comfortable dealing with flirtatious woman, i.e. avoid excessive mate guarding. Could be beta male’s first introduction to sniffing cocaine off a hot babe’s pert ass cheek. Powerful incentive to trade for lowered relationship expectations.

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Email #3

So I know the things a natural, alpha man *should* be doing. There is surface-level stuff that during my ongoing transformation I’ve directly incorporated, that I feel I’m still only midway from beta to alpha. There’s underlying, inner game that I have yet to become congruent with.

Reading posts on the ways naturals think and perform makes total sense, but actually *becoming* like that is something else entirely. What is the best way to actually make the transformation from beta to alpha?

Fake it till you make it was the mantra of game practitioners until it was supplanted by an even better aphorism:

Fake it till you create it.

You see, doing all that “surface-level stuff” will not just improve how you are perceived by girls; it will actually create a new alpha identity from your beta clay. An identity that is more than verbal calisthenics, one that instead goes to the id, and lodges itself in near-permanence. That identity goes by another name: The Attitude.

It’s never easy becoming something you’re not in your natural, lazy, default state, nor is it easy becoming something more than you are. So expect that the effort you’ll expend and mental anguish you’ll endure will be more intense if your starting point is omega male rather than lesser alpha. But you shouldn’t think in those terms. Instead, think that no matter what the shape of your final destination, your journey will bring improvements every step of the way. You may not land a hard 10, but you can date girls a bit hotter and a bit younger than you would normally had you remained stuck in the rut of your betatude.

If you think that’s no big deal, try asking a guy who’s used to dating 3s what he felt when he got a shot at that 5. Actually, don’t bother asking. You’ll see it in the way his eyes sparkle with life.

Anyhow, to answer the grist of your question:

1. Hang out with naturals.
2. Avoid losers.
3. Follow the 16 Poon Commandments at the top of this satanic repository.
4. Break up with a girl once in a while just to get a feel for the Awesome Power of Alpha.
5. Create a fake alpha male profile and taunt girls online with promises of dates to get a feel for the Awesome Power of Alpha.
6. Remind yourself that women are essentially interchangeable, and that there is always another one around the corner.
7. Outcome independence is a fancy term for believing that you are God’s gift to women. Take it to heart. It works.

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Email #4

A cute cashier gave me too much change ($12 too much). I was in a couldn’t-care-less-about-humanity mood so I took the extra change without shame even though she’d been friendlier than your normal cashier with a kinda shy greeting and goodbye.

Now that I’m back on terms with humanity (with my shame back) I want to square this with her because 1) the money will come out of her meagre pay so it is the right thing to do and 2) she was good looking so an excuse to talk to her again and only her not anyone else who works there would be welcome.   It’s the kind of store you only go to once a week, twice at most, so I can’t go there every day to see if she’s working like I’m a nice guy desperate to give her the money back – her colleagues might remember me if I did – but if I don’t I might not see her there again for two, three or maybe more weeks which would be too late – or would it? What to do?

PS – There was some confusion during the cash transaction so saying I didn’t pick up on the mistake at the time is plausible. Maybe enough confusion that she remembered it was me she gave too much change too.

Most Valuable Commenter nominee PA used to say that his preferred method of tipping was to handsomely tip single, older men and be stingier with young, single women. The subtext in his strategy is obvious: single older men who are working service jobs need the sexual market value boost a lot more than do single, younger women. In addition to that noble motivation, enriching young, single attractive women makes it harder for beta males to woo them, and easier for alpha cads to use them.

Naturally, most men do just the opposite. That is because most men are mediocrities.

So, in your case, Emailer #4, I wouldn’t fret that your foul mood-induced ill-gotten pocketing of a cute girl’s coin is some sort of karmic offense that will redound to your reincarnation as a field mouse. If anything, you did the world some good.

But you want to violate her holes date her in a gentlemanly manner, so here is what you do:

Go back to her shop, $12 in hand. (Or, if you’re a craven SOB like me, $6 in hand.) Look her in the eye. Hold the pimp daddy wad of money up. It doess’t matter how much she remembers of the previous transaction, or when it happened. Tell her, “You gave me too much change. Here. You know, you don’t have to treat me like a male stripper to get my attention.”

Or: “I’m getting tired of girls paying me for dates.”

That should be enough to coax a smile and get the ball rolling. Report back to us.

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  1. on February 8, 2013 at 4:02 pm YabbaDabbaDo

    “The more success you have, the more disillusioned you will become.”

    That’s all you need to know about this blog.

    I have a date with this chick tonight. I’m being set up but i’ve seen the pics. Chick is pretty hot. Told her to meet at the bar, i’d be the guy in the sports jersey with the mustache…..don’t be late and wear heels.

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  2. on February 8, 2013 at 4:43 pm Anon

    Where are the comments?

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 5:51 pm Kate

      Poolside?

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 2:46 pm Obstinance Works

        lesbo

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 2:52 pm Kate

        No, smartass. I read Magic Bullets after a devastating experience two years ago this month when a man I thought I knew shut off all communication with me and disappeared. I later found out he had lied to me about his name, his birthday, and who knows what else. Just another player, maybe like you, doing his thing. He must have sensed I was onto him. Just like this last guy who I discovered lied about his age and when I called him on it today blocked me from his phone. I figured I’d rather be in the know about this stuff than not. Its helped…some. But, clearly, I still fall for the lies.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 2:59 pm Kate

        No, smartass. I read Magic Bullets after a devastating experience two years ago this month when a man I thought I knew cut off all contact with me and essentially disappeared. Later I found out he had lied about his name, his birthdate, and who knows what else. He probably sensed I was about to rumble him and he cut and run. I figured I’d rather be in the know about this stuff. I called out the last guy I liked today for lying about his age and he’s now blocked me from his phone. The training has helped…some. Clearly, I still fall for the lies.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 4:33 pm YaReally

        Much as people shit on PUA and RSD, modern pickup and RSD style game really emphasizes being honest about shit. If you’re 40, say you’re 40 and just frame control the aftermath of that. If you just want casual sex, say you do and don’t apologize for it and be willing to risk the girl not being into it. If you’re not a doctor don’t lie and say you are just to try to get in a chick’s pants.

        Really good Naturals and really good PUAs don’t have to lie at all. I think anyone gaming should strive toward that…lying just ends up fucking the girl up down the road when it all blows up. I’ve hung with guys who unashamedly lie their asses off and usually it comes from a place of insecurity (“she won’t like me if she REALLY knows me :(“) even though they hide it behind a lot of “lol bro it’s just bitches at the bar who cares???” bravado. The guys I’ve hung with who are totally honest when they Game girls are the guys who are totally secure in themselves…to girls that usually makes up for whatever their other faults are. Women value honesty and being able to trust a guy is who he says he is, more than the value perfection or the illusion of it.

        If a guy can’t get laid being honest, it’s time for him to sharpen up his internal game.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 4:36 pm YaReally

        “Women value honesty and being able to trust a guy is who he says he is, more than THEY value perfection or the illusion of it.”

        Typo fix lol damn iphone

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 7:08 pm Kate

        What upsets me the most is that *I* am honest with people about stuff that is really hard for me to talk about and stuff that generally causes people to not want to be involved. But, its their right to know these things and decide for themselves. Then to find out that they’ve lied to me…it just really feels unfair. In both cases, I just liked being around these people. If I knew their real circumstances, maybe I wouldn’t have, afterall. Its hard to know, but I do have a real soft spot for the underdog. The situations are so similar now that I think about it, its almost uncanny: sad family life story, lying about age, claimed financial independence, but apparel very worn down, two areas of residence, worked among the poor, cut off contact when about to be discovered, etc. The strangest thing is that they both refused to sleep with me. Some sort of underlying conscience???

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      • on February 11, 2013 at 8:21 am Kate

        And…mystery solved. I knew he was an old dawg, apparently I just didn’t know how old. Told me he was 45…then I saw he had changed it to 43 an now 40. Turns out he is 54. GAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! Still like him. Ugh.

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      • on February 11, 2013 at 9:12 am Anonymous

        Because YaReally is only 31 he’ll be eating his words in 5 years and I can guarantee that.

        Women will accept a 15 year age difference no matter what they say so a 31 year old can tell the truth to all legal age women.

        So this is one of his few blind spots. If you’re over 35 but look 29 and are talking to a 19 year old in a feminist country, you have been warned here not to take his advice on this. You are under no obligation to tell the truth about your age before sex. If you’re alpha, you can tell the truth after sex and it won’t matter.

        The PUA community was pro-feminist for a long long time. The tell-the-truth-about-your-age mantra is one of the big ways some guys ingratiated themselves with the feminist community when they wrote their books in their early thirties.

        Young, left wing PUAs with no money may bring a lot to the table on the PUA scene, but they know little about paying taxes and age-difference dating and don’t really see what’s wrong with the current socialist feminist climate in the US. They temporarily benefit from living in the current feminist US.

        For all of them, their politics and PUA style will change at age 36. That’s when socialism and feminism will become their true enemy. Look at the latest Financial Times article on Match.com where a New York woman in her early thirties says she’s insulted that the new Match.com is suggesting men in their forties to her despite her settings saying noone over 39 need apply. She’s ten years older than what any alpha over 40 would be looking for.

        The reality when you’re over 35 is you ask them how old they think you are and you’ll know by what culture they’re from whether or not you should dare say “No, you’re way wrong. I’m ten years older than you think”.

        You are as old as you look. If you look ten years younger, that’s how old you are.

        Again, after sex you can tell the truth and, if you’re alpha, she’ll be fine with that.

        So this guy who blocked Kate from his phone was no alpha. He was a coward. He should have shrugged it off.

        I would have said “Smart alec detective you…now go fix me dinner”. That works once she’s hooked.

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      • on February 11, 2013 at 9:46 am Anonymous

        Remember, it’s easy for a 31 year old man to give advice like “When you’re 40 say you’re 40”. 😉

        31 is the perfect age to be. Jesus was a rock star at that age.

        The right frame (when the difference is over 15 years) is that age is so unimportant that telling the absolute truth about it is also not important.

        If you’re a tenured professor, you can be 20 years older without lying. They will expect that difference and the name of the game is to go with expectations.

        One true thing is that you shouldn’t hesitate or look ill at ease or say you don’t want to state your age. Making them guess and saying “you’re right” usually goes smoothly. If you have to directly lie, make it quick and smooth. After the F close, if they strive for the Nancy Drew detective award, congratulate them like it’s nothing important. Where the 31 year old and I agree is that you have to frame the subject as no big deal.

        You can delay or divert Nancy Drew by accidentally leaving photocopies of your driver’s license or passport lying around your home, where the date was doctored. She’ll read these when you’re in the bathroom and there won’t be anymore google searches. It takes 5 minutes to create such diversions and, once created, the same tattered paper can do service for many years.

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      • on February 11, 2013 at 10:29 am Anonymous

        Also, lying about being a doctor would most likely happen under the frame that being one is better than what you are. That would be a big turnoff for a woman when she finds out. However, you actually could get away with lying about being a doctor if she finds out that you were hiding the fact that you were a billionaire or rock star trying to go undercover. The issue here is status. But there is no status in being younger. You take a status hit when you say you’re younger. You’re just doing that to get around the hamster if you’re past a stretch point where it’s necessary.

        A 41 year old will often have to imply that he’s lower status than he really is because he may have to forgo great stories and DHV accomplishments from the eighties or nineties. He’ll be on a date and see a reference to the first Moon landing and he’ll have to keep his mouth shut about what it was like to watch it live. There are many ways in which you take a status hit when you imply you’re younger. But it’s the prudent thing to do if you look young while actually being past an alarming stretch point.

        and 30 is not an alarming stretch point.

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      • on February 11, 2013 at 11:43 am Kate

        YaReally is only thirty-one? I’m going to adopt him as my little brother and we’ll drink kool-aid and climb trees together 🙂 Just kidding 🙂

        I was mostly upset because it caused me to question whether he was lying about other things or not, but the rest of his story seems to hold true.

        This would be a twenty year age difference, but he doesn’t look old. I’ve always said I was looking for a man in player retirement, but this wasn’t what I was expecting. lol I am miffed he doesn’t want to play. I finally found a worthy opponent.

        I can only conclude that since, when we were matched, my age limit was 45 that’s what he had his age set at. Now that its set at 40, I assume he’s found someone he’s interested in who has that as her limit. Sly bastard.

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      • on February 11, 2013 at 11:59 am PetiteOlive

        @ Kate, what did you mean they refused to sleep with you? How long did you know these guys before you started booking their lies? sounds like you are too trusting and have an open (honest) heart and project this out to the men you are meeting. I will be wary to trust anyone (men or women) until they earn it…..but I generally have general trust issues. lol

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      • on February 11, 2013 at 1:05 pm Kate

        @ Olive: I do generally expect people to be honest, yes. If that is too trusting, I think we are in a sorry state of affairs. You hate to not trust one person because of something someone else did. With the first guy, I was very skeptical that he was retired at such a young age. Then clues kept piling up, but I wasn’t interested in him for his millions (real or imagine) so I just focused on enjoying our time. In both cases, I turned these men down (I’m sorry, I’m just not one of these first night people unless I’ve been getting to know the person for an extended period of time); then, when I was interested, they turned me down. I don’t want to get into detail, but they are/were closet snugglers. Apparently there is some secret shame of snuggling in Man World.

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      • on February 13, 2013 at 12:30 pm YaReally

        @Annonymous

        lol ya when I was 24 they told me that about 25. “Man you won’t be able to get these young college girls then, you’ll be considered “almost 30″ and be too old to go to the clubs! They’ll want guys their age in school too!”

        Then I turned 25 and there was zero change.

        So then they told me that at 29. “Dude, enjoy your last year with the young chicks cause you’re only “in your 20s” but once you have to say you’re THIRTY, oh man, you’re gonna be too old for them. They’ll accept a guy in his 20s but not his 30s.”

        Then I turned 30 and not a single fuck was given.

        You have a limiting belief. And that’s fine if you don’t want to break thru it, it’s your dick not mine, but I’m going to shit on your whining because it doesn’t hold up in-field.

        Tyler and a couple other RSD instructors are in their mid-to-late 30s and one of them is 40+.

        It just doesn’t matter to most girls. Hell half the time the girl is having so much fun she doesn’t bother asking about my age, let alone care what the answer is. If its not a big deal to you and you have a strong frame and you have her emotionally reacting to you, you just brush it off as no big deal.

        “How old are you?”
        “31.”
        “That’s old!!”
        “Nah.”
        “Okay!”

        Done.

        Asking a guy about his age is like looking at what kind of shoes he’s wearing. She only does that when you’re so boring that she’s looking for reasons to like/dislike you because your personality isn’t doing that for her.

        Will I necessarily WANT to pick up 18yo’s when I’m 40? Probably not, even now aside from looking hot they’re pretty retarded to me lol. But there’s no reason I won’t be getting hot 20-24yos when I’m 40.

        Maybe I’ll go out and tell girls I’m 40 for fun lol

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      • on February 13, 2013 at 2:28 pm YaReally

        @Annonymous

        It’s very simple.

        Do you look like this at 40+:

        Or do you look like this:

        If it’s the former, girls don’t give a shit about your age. A shit-ton of the top actors in Hollywood are over 40+ these days, and I doubt a guy like Clooney or Pitt or Depp has trouble getting laid even without celebrity status.

        If it’s the latter, get your shit together. Hit the gym, update your wardrobe, make sure you’re properly groomed, fix your hair (shave it if you’re balding, get a modern cut if you’re not), work on your body language, and work on your Game and learn to seduce women. You’re a man, you should be able to handle your own shit. The guys in the latter pics don’t DESERVE young hotties because they can’t even take care of themselves.

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  3. on February 8, 2013 at 4:46 pm driveallnight

    “Extrovert man-Introvert woman: Good match. Strong love polarity. Dewy vaj at sight of him expertly working a room. Rock hard protective instinct for shy, modest woman. But she’ll wanna know just how much cheating, fucking around, and general mayhem he commits on his social sojourns.”

    A dead-on description of my relationship with my gf.

    “Extrovert man-Extrovert woman: Explosive match. Strong sexual polarity. Will fuck in public locale on second date. Will never stop playing head games for the upper hand. Overpowering jealousy could lead to criminal indictment or revenge infidelity. Long-term prognosis: nonexistent. Paternity assurance: nonexistent. Domestic violence: Awkwardly likely. Anal sex: Guaranteed.”

    A dead-on description of my brother’s relationship with his wife.

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    • on February 11, 2013 at 1:32 am Azalea.

      I feel like Extroverted Man – Extroverted (but submissive and femenine) woman works out pretty well. Just because a woman is extroverted doesn’t mean she doesn’t know her place.

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  4. on February 8, 2013 at 5:02 pm senseiern

    In response to #1, I expect people to be on time, if not early. I expect the same for myself.

    But, at the very moment time clicks over to, “late”, I leave. Later I will hear from the expected party and when they ask where I was, I explain that when they were not there at the expected time, I left to do other stuff I needed/wanted to get done. When the tmeeting in question is a date, I will often open a set nearby and work it for 15 minutes. If it goes well, great! If my date happens to show up, she will see me talking with others.

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 7:02 pm Kate

      The guy being late is not fun, but it certainly has an effect. I remember being so nervous once I was actually shaking. If you’re meeting someone you’ve never seen in person, there’s going to be built-in anxiety just trying to recognize them. To be quite honest, I think the best first date meeting I had, the guy was on time, but I had to walk to the back of the bar to find him and he was robbing an ATM.

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  5. on February 8, 2013 at 5:03 pm The Karamazov Idea

    Playing the introvert has always been my best (and most honest) game. The laconic mysterious wayfarer easily outstrips the talkative playful alpha. Why? Because he’s even more of a challenge and he always leaves them wanting more.

    Every great rock riff has something in common: that infinitely catchy hook only repeats 2 times maximum without some sort of change being made. Why is this? Because humans sense patterns and get acclimated by time 3. 2 times is an interruption and they want more.

    Same principle with the confident guy who a chick has to pull teeth to get words out of. Every single thing he says is worth 10 minutes of conversation. The only danger is that you’d better not make a mis-step. You can’t talk your way out of it. You’re not a talker. You can’t break character.

    Laconic is tough to play, but it’s the most rewarding thing (especially if it’s your natural personality).

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 5:19 pm Flavia

      I agree. Flirtatious, talkative men are that way with everyone, so it does not feel special when they approach you. When you get the attention of an introvert- for him to overcome his introversion and speak to you is very flattering.

      The devoted love of a misogynist (not the feminazi version, just dudes that don’t really like women very much, but dont wish them ill) is also an ego boost. Women love to feel like special snowflakes.

      [Heartiste: Flavia, that’a a unique angle to view “misogyny” — as winning the attention of a man who would noramlly not be bothered with the company of women. Maybe that’s why a recent study showed that “misogynist” (and I always use quotes to rob fembots of rhetorical return fire) men are the ones who do best with women.]

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 5:29 pm PetiteOlive

        Truer words are rarely spoken. Dead on. I reckon it would be analogous to the same kind of feeling/ego boost a guy gets from banging a virgin or extremely low count girl…the feeling of knowing that it happened because she really digs you (as opposed to her being horny).

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 5:39 pm Flavia

        Steve Sailer had a post on it but I can’t find it : /

        The gist was: women don’t like men who are loose with their emotions in the same way men don’t like women who are loose with their bodies.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 5:44 pm Flavia

        @ Heartiste

        Maybe “misogynist” is too loaded of a word- but personally I have always been most flattered by curmudgeons who choose to put up with me despite my female-ness; not because of it. It’s like getting a cat to love you, lol.

        But I think I have always had a pretty specific type.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 7:54 pm Hero

        The phrase I’m using to describe myself these days is “good old fashioned chauvinist”.

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      • on February 11, 2013 at 1:37 am Azalea.

        After dating extroverts, a similar effect could be described: I’ve dated a couple of politician/lawyer type extroverts, charming, cunning, always very energetic. When they are with you, paying attention to only you and they are calm and relaxed you see that they trust you enough to let go of their “act”.

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 5:59 pm PetiteOlive

      Back in my school days, I had this friend with Asperger’s. Good looking- impeccably dressed. We met when we stayed in the same apartment building and anytime we rode the elevator I would talk to him. He would say maybe one or two words. For the longest time I thought he just found me annoying but I continued talking to him (hate awkward elevator silences). These random one sided elevator conversations spanned two years until I randomly got a knock on my apartment door one day and it was him asking me to come upstairs and have dinner with his two friends, a guy and girl. It was one of the most bizarre things I ever experienced but we became life long friends and he still says little. The funny thing is he always got invited to parties (classmates/acquaintances) and girls would strike up conversations and ask me to hook them up with him. They found him very mysterious and intriguing. Might have been the laconic pull. He just had no interest in girls and because of the way he dressed and looked, many thought he was gay. He was asexual but anyway he could easily have banged so many chicks if he wasn’t!

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 6:38 pm The Karamazov Idea

        Indeed. The most attractive man to a woman is one who feigns the inability to be won over by them. He’s cool. He’s aloof. He doesn’t care. He doesn’t stay in one place very long. He’s a loner.

        But he’ll care about me! He’ll stay for me! He’ll spend time with me! I’ll prove it to him. I’ll do anything he wants. I’ll prove it to him if it’s the last thing I do!

        It’s the lazy man’s game. The girl does all the work. The only downside is it takes nerves of steel and a keen instinct not to slip up and say the wrong thing at critical moments when your words could be the difference between a solid week of minimal-effort rutting with a girl and getting closed out for good with no chance to fix-up the set.

        Also, there has to be something there behind silence. Still water runs deep. You better be an actually interesting person underneath the exterior. There’s nothing as anti-climatic to a girl as finding out the stoic Tonto-esque guy she went home with is really as boring as he made himself out to be. Ouch.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 7:10 pm Kate

        “The most attractive man to a woman is one who feigns the inability to be won over by them.”

        The feigning part to this is pretty important. How do you tell the difference between someone feigning it and someone who just really doesn’t like you? (When you know a little about these game concepts, you can think someone is using them, when, in fact, they could seriously just want nothing to do with you.)

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 7:26 pm The Karamazov Idea

        As the old saying goes, “Can’t find something that doesn’t want to be found.” When a guy on the game wants a girl, he’ll leave a line. There’s a difference between aloof and off-putting. Often the hardest thing to explain to a guy new to game that negging is not at all the same thing as insulting a girl.

        Playing hard to get is one thing. Playing impossible is a clear IoD. A lot of guys get this wrong, and a fair amount of girls do as well.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 8:16 pm Kate

        Thank you. That was very helpful.

        “When a guy on the game wants a girl, he’ll leave a line.” Do you have any examples you’d be willing to share?

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 8:28 pm The Karamazov Idea

        When I’m talking to a girl (or getting talked to), and she shows she has a horrible personality or the potential to be a stalker, I’ll give an Irish goodbye. You wait for the opportune moment and leave without saying a word. No way for her to pursue or follow-up. Without a doubt she will know (on some level) you are unavailable. It’s very difficult to misconstrue, and if by random chance you meet her again, play it off as if you never met her. God knows you didn’t say much so she won’t have much to go by.

        Whenever I had to timebridge, I let her know where I’d be at x time. Not speaking much makes the information stand out. She hears loud and clear: “If you want to see me again, be “here” “then.” Or, in one case, I left a number (which is bad form, generally. texting game is an artform which has no prolific instructors yet, like facebook….game in person). I ended up “running into” a couple of the marks as I went about my business. Good thing I let them know exactly where I’d be.

        Case 1 happened a lot more often. I game for keeps and am not in the market for random hookups. I cut short all malinvestments before they start.

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      • on February 8, 2013 at 9:37 pm Flavia

        “But he’ll care about me! He’ll stay for me! He’ll spend time with me! I’ll prove it to him. I’ll do anything he wants. I’ll prove it to him if it’s the last thing I do!”

        Yup. Got me pegged. But there is a moment when you do need to win him, or else it becomes too chore-ish.

        There is no greater satisfaction than turning a stoic stiff upper lip type and making him yours. Thinking about it gives me many flutters…..

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 6:56 pm The Bastard

      The other danger with laconic game is the IKEA-fueled obsessions it seems to induce.

      All give and little take doth a stalker make.

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    • on February 8, 2013 at 6:59 pm Dr. Zoidberg

      “The only danger is that you’d better not make a mis-step. You can’t talk your way out of it.”

      Eh, the only mis-step a guy can make in a relationship is sticking his dick in another woman. Avoid that and you can get away with 30 minutes of a stoned or drunken soliloquy/rant once a week or so and they will cling like glue. Anything else, they just have to deal with it and move on.

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 7:04 pm Erudite Knight

      The pattern thing about only doing it twice in music is applicable to life I think.

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  6. on February 8, 2013 at 5:11 pm hamsterbaiter

    OT: hilarious lard-arse self-pity:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2275692/Obese-womans-revealing-photography-project-exposes-cruel-judgmental-stares-attracts-people-street.html#axzz2KLd9kabs

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  7. on February 8, 2013 at 6:03 pm Dr. Zoidberg

    #1
    Punctuality is alpha. Just the thought of showing up late makes me uncomfortable. Punctuality is a man in control of his life with shit to get done. Showing up late is a trick for young cads and players looking for the quick ass, but not a true alpha male move. Knights show up on time. Squires are late. Obviously I would also never date a girl who would show up late or risk making me late.

    #2
    Being an introvert, you can make it work with either introverts or extroverts, but you have to know and trust yourself and not be jealous. I let broads know early on what they are getting – I will be spending most Saturday nights painting and not clubbing. If they want to go out with the girls, I’ll violently plow them when they come home drunk. If I would ever even suspect them of cheating it would be over (obviously do not tell them this). Every once in a while use them to go out and wear yourself out mentally.

    Right now I’m hooking up with an introvert. It’s too easy. We spend our weekend evenings doing or seeing art, then I violently plow her. Then I don’t see her all week. It’s like a wholesome old married couple who have fucked up degrading sex. Every so often make her fuck some place public to make her uncomfortable.

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 6:31 am bob

      “Punctuality is alpha.”

      Congruence between your identity and your actions is alpha. If you’re the business like man, with strict rules and discipline about yourself, she’ll expect you to be on time, and that’s totally fine.

      But if you play the badboy type, getting there right on time would seem a little strange for her. She will expect you to be late.

      Both are alpha. The man on time or the “badboy” late. As long as it’s congruent with who they are, it’s all good.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 5:26 pm YaReally

        “Congruence between your identity and your actions is alpha.”

        This. The rest is just mental masturbation.

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 7:05 pm Erudite Knight

      I agree with 1. But what happens when the girl is late?
      1 min?
      5 min?

      1 is easy to play off. Are you sticking around for 5?

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  8. on February 8, 2013 at 6:26 pm 3rd Millenium Men

    Great summation of alphaness Heartiste! Going to include it in a future Best of the Manosphere, adding to the goodness I’ve linked to of what you’ve already provided: http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/07/29/some-posts-on-alpha-males/

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  9. on February 8, 2013 at 7:11 pm anonface

    Gotta repost this since it came up on reddit

    Bean Harvest game, motherfuckers.

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 12:37 am Anonymous

      Kind of disturbing to see his SSN tatooed on his arm like a nazi camp number. Related?

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 9:02 am anonface

        Here’s CH’s post on Bean Harvest game:
        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/12/09/the-look-of-confidence/

        Re: The tattoo
        “In the United States one of the most popular tattoos for identification purposes is the government issued Social Security number, or at least that was the case when Social Security was first started. The first Social Security card (055 09 0001) was issued in 1936. In the intervening years, 320 million cards have been issued. When this numbering system was first created, it was considered a boom for the tattoo artist. Red Gibbons, then tattooing in Portland, Oregon, stated in a 1937 news article, that he and Sailor Walter were working overtime in their Burnside Street shop just tattooing Social Security numbers on the arms and legs of folks who didn’t want to be caught without their numbers.”
        Apparently people were so afraid of forgetting their numbers that they went ahead and got tattoos so they could always find it if they needed.
        Source: Tattoo Archive http://www.tattooarchive.com/tattoo_history/identification.html

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  10. on February 8, 2013 at 7:30 pm space_monkey

    I guess it all has to do with social circles. I’m a pothead, the vast majority of girls I date are potheads. I’m perpetually 20-30 minutes late when hanging out with girls or even just friends. Friends don’t appreciate it, but girls do not care at all. It’s not that I’m just sitting around getting high. I’m actually really busy; and then when I am getting ready to go out, I’m hitting the vaporizer while getting my shit together and just don’t care about being in a hurry.

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 7:14 am Hugh G. Rection

      Try switching to coke for a few weeks 😉

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  11. on February 8, 2013 at 11:27 pm Christian Canalez

    Off topic, I ran some ‘your mom!’ game tonight. ( I mean seriously, ‘your mom game’… are the possibilities not boundless?

    Solid 8 blonde cutey, my neighbor, so basically i’ve seen her naked. She had a boyfriend for a while, single as of monday. little whatever texts, haven’t had contact in a month.

    It’s not reached a conclusion, I guess i just think it’s a decent way to open up younger girls. i’m 37, she’s 24. i pass for 28-30 though, that helps because i primarily only gaming younger women.

    Me 7:58: your mom!

    Court 7:59: what? Ha are you drunk neighbor!

    Me 7:59: your moms drunk!

    Court: 8:00: but that wasn’t for you. bonk

    (for some reason texting sounds has been surprisngly useful. bonk, boink, derp, boom. See: younger girls)

    Court 8:00: didn’t actually think so

    Me: but your mom is dunk, prolly

    Court 8:03: ha umm no shes not!

    Me 8:09: its all good court. we all have drunk moms.. its the new drunk dads

    court 8:10: bahahaha Kkkkk

    end.

    i dunno. drunk dad your mom game

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    • on February 10, 2013 at 3:15 pm Umm

      You realize this Is idiotic right?

      Did you actually expect applause for this?

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  12. on February 8, 2013 at 11:30 pm Christian Canalez

    ha.. the first 8:00 text was mine not hers. that changes things a bit. shit.

    derp

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  13. on February 8, 2013 at 11:37 pm Reader Mailbag: Dewy Vaj Edition « PUA Central

    […] I can’t believe this needs saying, but apparently it does. You’d think some of this stuff would …read more Source: Chateau […]

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  14. on February 8, 2013 at 11:48 pm Rum

    William F. Buckley once said that if someone writes well enough, anything can be forgiven. He said that in reference to Hunter S. Thompson. Since he and Hunter are dead, someone still alive should say this about the sources of CH. IMHO. So I will.

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  15. on February 8, 2013 at 11:54 pm ZMBIKLR

    I’m a rather quiet Extravert – the “strong, silent” type who can talk with anyone. I’m also narcissistic and lack empathy, but I listen well – a killer combo. I specialize in Intraverted girls, as I find extraverted girls extremely boring, regardless of the anal sex. Intraverts are a steaming pressure cooker of erotic fantasies if you take the time to pull them out. Fucking an extravert is like fucking a porn star who has made everyone cum on her. Getting head from a intravert who has been put at ease (they are all neurotic about their looks no matter how stunningly gorgeous they are) is to be utterly worshipped.

    There seems to be no limit to their devotion – from incredible gifts to long love letters to their desire to be a mistress or even cuckquean for you. Two specific intraverted Meyers-Briggs types in particular are the most sexual, sensual beings on the planet. I simply won’t select any other types, even though this limits choices to about 12% of the fuckable female population. Many haven’t experienced orgasm (though they fake it) because they’ve always been so ill at ease during sex. The look in their eyes as they first experience it is priceless, and they’ll do absolutely anything for you.

    It takes some time to crack them open, but the rewards are extremely worthwhile. The only problem is keeping the narcissism in check.

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 8:24 am Tilikum

      You are describing yourself as an outgoing introvert there Chief, ie :strong, silent”.

      Quiet extroverted males who are good with women are only that way because they got an extra chromosome somewhere. Yes that was a joke about Downs.

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      • on February 9, 2013 at 9:56 am ZMBIKLR

        Any mongoloid or imitator with “game” can bed an extraverted cumslut in a night, it’s true.

        Extraversion doesn’t mean dancing like a monkey, it means you get energy from people. I’m the jester putting a “kick me” sign on the alphas back in the form of fucking his introverted prized but lonely wife. Cuckolding an unknowing alpha is the most enjoyable game of all.

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      • on February 12, 2013 at 9:01 am Tilikum

        nice. you certainly don’t have to me the QB to fuck the head cheerleader. Those poor alphas just cant figure it out can they.

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  16. on February 9, 2013 at 12:16 am Anonymous

    There is a fine line between an extroverted woman and a loud annoying cunt.

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  17. on February 9, 2013 at 12:54 am Ronin

    “You see, doing all that “surface-level stuff” will not just improve how you are perceived by girls; it will actually create a new alpha identity from your beta clay. An identity that is more than verbal calisthenics, one that instead goes to the id, and lodges itself in near-permanence. ”

    Yup. This is one of the core principles of Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy. The equation can reflux back from either starting point.

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  18. on February 9, 2013 at 1:54 am mypostingcareer.com

    Test post

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  19. on February 9, 2013 at 6:41 am walawala

    PA ….great commentator. Where is he?

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  20. on February 9, 2013 at 9:02 am Tom

    This is my situation:a girl is very shy,for years without BF,we atract each other phisicaly,in last year bumping on each other at random places regulary(like something pull s us together),her last message was:i am not able to tell you what you want to hear,we work at the same place(my question was:is this weird to you bumping at each other all the time)to keep pursuing or to give up?

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  21. on February 9, 2013 at 2:22 pm Blackdragon

    Outcome independence is probably the single most attractive non-physical quality to women a man can possibly have. It’s a shame that so many men are either unable to have it (betas) or refuse to have it (Needy Alphas).

    On the punctuality thing, yes, punctuality is an Alpha trait, but that assumes you walk into the bar on that first date at the **exact same time** she does. How often does this happen? Never.

    The goal then is to arrive just a few minutes after she does. You do not want her to arrive to see you sitting there alone at the bar twiddling your thumbs or playing with your phone. One of my core techniques for first dates is to text the gal when I’m about to arrive to ensure she’s already there. If she’s not, I will delay myself another 5 minutes (make a few business calls or something) and then enter after she’s arrived. Massively field-tested. It works.

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  22. on February 9, 2013 at 2:55 pm AlephMale

    I can relate to e-mail #3. For me, the last big hurdle in my transformation was acting Alpha with women I liked. I could easily ignore calls/texts from women I didn’t care about and toy with women I despised, but there was still a white knight inside of me that wanted to be “honest” and “straightforward” with worthwhile women. Ah, the follies of youth…

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  23. on February 9, 2013 at 4:48 pm YaReally

    On lateness, Travolta in Be Cool had it right: if you’re important, people will wait.

    If I get there early I’ll shoot the shit with the bartender or waitress or a set beside me. Doesn’t matter who they are, they could be a little old grandma and grandpa lol a guy quietly sitting by himself txting or whatever looks nervous and awkward. A guy who clearly would’ve still had fun even if she didn’t show up, is attractive.

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    • on February 9, 2013 at 4:51 pm YaReally

      (I don’t have a car so it’s very difficult for me to time meeting up with a girl because I have to go by the bus schedule lol so I’m always late or early for shit. I really don’t put much thought/concern into it anymore)

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  24. on February 9, 2013 at 6:57 pm Erudite Knight

    It is unfortunate we have to stop basic civilities like being on time, but if that is what it will take to stomp through feminists…so be it

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  25. on February 10, 2013 at 11:55 am Anonymous

    Male waiters do need cash more than their female counterparts, but that requires admitting that cash does matter in dating (and not just solvency). You don’t exactly want to go out of your way to fund your competitors but, if you have to give cash out voluntarily, do give it to the young males.

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    • on February 10, 2013 at 4:37 pm Anonymous

      I take that back. Give it to the young females only, but only if they give you what they want and be miserly about it and make sure they wash the dishes and clean your home on top of what you mainly wanted.

      I can’t feel too sorry for the waitress sob story. There are plenty of guys who would be willing to give her a better living than her wages and tips give her if she’d only stop the carousel thing.

      I had a 21 year old SWPL tell me on a first date the other day the real reason why she was left wing.

      She said she wasn’t looking forward to having to work for a living and wanted a world without money where technology would do most of the work and everyone would live in leisure (the maker of the film Zeitgeist has promoted this pipe dream for young losers in a new series of films).

      I said “you could always marry me and have that life of leisure”. And she took me seriously and agreed it was an alternative option for if the pipe dream of socialism didn’t work out for her.

      I let her know politely that, by the time most young socialist women decide to go for the traditional alternative, the best of men are no longer interested and looking at even younger women. She accepted that I was right about this and a second date is on.

      It was cool to learn that leftism in hot women might just be a cry for help to a guy that might take care of them instead of the government.

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