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Beta Female Relationship Whoring

February 15, 2013 by CH

Reader MrJohn writes:

I didn’t know where else to talk to someone about this thing I’ve witnessed, so why not here. Valentine is really a great holiday to spot the betas of the world. Here’s a beta from Sweden. All seen on Facebook. The girl (24) and the guy (about 28) has been dating for about a half year. The past months she’s openly called him ‘hubby’ on FB, although they are not engaged. She’s pretty much unemployed and has definitely gained a lot of weight lately. I don’t wanna post pictures of her, but she’s a solid 6. He looks a bit feminine, bordering on gay with his facial expressions. He works his ass off to please her. The typical Swedish guy I guess.

Looking at her page, she has been posting almost every hour of the valentines evening. And at mid-night she’s summing up the evening: (Yeah updating Facebook before giving him sex or any other trivial activity)

“Last pics to summarise our night :) saw this movie here, got 15 roses of my favourite colours, three course dinner and finished the day with slow dance in our living room. I have such a wonderful man. Thank you (name). Love you with all my heart and hopefully 80 more years of this to come <3″

– attached are photos of them together in restaurants, with roses and all that.

I feel sick somehow. Am I just too sensitive? Perhaps this is the way to do valentines?

What has sickened you, gentleman reader, is the phenomenon of the beta female engaged in the act of relationship whoring.

You are right to retch, for beta female relationship whoring (BFRW, sounded out “Beef Raw”) is among the most transparent of ego-stroking ploys utilized by undesirable or marginally desirable women. You really want to call them out but, hey, polite society and all. That’s why we have this blog; so you can say what’s on your mind with the kind of freedom that nowadays only naive, small children or cantankerous old farts get to enjoy.

Women of questionable sexual worth who have “snagged” men of higher value, however precariously, are frequently susceptible to feeling urges to advertise on the flimsiest pretexts the undying love their loosely committed boyfriends have for them.

The reason the beta female feels this urge is because such overblown advertising of her relationship strength (as defined by the extent to which the man caught up in her shenanigans lavishes her with gifts and paeans to her awesomeness) serves multiple evolutionary purposes:

1. It signals her fidelity to her one-foot-in-one-foot-out boyfriend. Many men will settle for women less pretty than their ideal if those women compensate by offering implied (paternity) guarantees of present and future faithfulness.

2. It warns away female poachers. If her boyfriend is moveable product, there is a good chance he will bolt at the first sign of interest from a hotter girl. Women love taken men, but their predilection to act on that evil female instinct may be suppressed if the girlfriend of the desired man can fool her hotter competition into thinking he only has eyes for her.

3. It stroketh thine ego. A girl with a well-lubed ego is a happier girl who will be a more congenial girlfriend. (Congeniality nullified if happy ego results in ice cream aided fattitude.)

4. It is social oxytocin (or proxy oxytocin). The hormonally-charged bonding that naturally occurs in the early stages of a relationship can be synthesized quicker by ruses to project the relationship to a point in the future when it would presumably be stronger and more committed. Players use a modification of this strategy to speed up the time to sex, called time compression, time distortion, or future pacing.

5. If the girl is a bit prettier than average, say a 6 or 7, and on the wall side of 25, the beta female relationship whoring strategy could just as easily function for her as a self-regulating mechanism which “tricks” her into feeling stronger love for her boyfriend than she might in actuality feel, thus hindering any impulse she might have to trade up and risk a sure thing. Women have a more powerful “trading up” urge than do men, and this instinct can get them in trouble if they don’t have the self-discipline to know when they have a good thing and act accordingly.

Relationship whoring is essentially a technique employed by lower quality females for discouraging the competition and for encouraging the fence-sitting boyfriend to discard his fantasy of scouring the field for a hotter replacement. It can also serve to push a woman closer to a beta boyfriend so that she does not ruin herself on a perpetual hunt for commitment from an elusive alpha male.

If you doubt the efficacy of this strategy, here’s a thought experiment. Tell me, as a man, given two women of equal facial and body attractiveness, would you find it harder to dump or cheat on a woman who was emotionally distant and giving little indication she was interested in an LTR, or harder to dump or cheat on a woman who professed your mutual love to the world and tacitly confessed her utter devotion to you?

I mean, unlike me, assume you are a non-sociopath in the above thought experiment.

You may ask why one does not nearly as often witness this vile practice of BFRW from hot girls, or from very ugly girls.

Well, in the first case, hot girls have more options. They are thus less likely within any given relationship to feel as urgent a need to restrict their own choices by advertising their status as taken women. They are also less apt to feel insecurity about their boyfriends’ levels of commitment, (men are way more willing to stick around and invest if the lady is a champ), and they are less afraid of competition. (The threat of competition that would arise by dating a desirable alpha male is counteracted by the reduced threat of competition from being better looking than most of her female peers.)

In the second case, uglier girls (4s and under) don’t resort so much to the BFRW strategy because they don’t generally date men who are of sufficient sexual market value to entice female interlopers. The ugly girl is with a low value man, and nobody wants either of them, least of all themselves, despite the alacrity to which they resign themselves to their moribund romantic fate.

Middling girls are the ones who most benefit from BEEF RAW. Facebook is filled with 5s, 6s and 7s promoting pics of their candlelit Valentines dinners with herbish boyfriends looking for all the world like they’d rather be gunning down starships in an MMO.

What’s especially revealing about the BFRW subculture is that a man can indirectly appraise his own SMV by his inclusion or absence from BFRW antics. If your girlfriend has posted pics of you and her in all manner of romantic obsequiousness, you are probably a beta male with just enough SMV to avoid involuntary celibacy. If, in contrast, your girlfriend admirably restrains herself from the lure of online attention whoring and shouting your abject devotion to the heart of the world, you are probably an alpha male dating a good-looking lady of character. Hang up your player vestments, because…….. hahaha, who am I kidding!? You were gaming in your mama’s womb (stealing her resources) and you’ll be gaming till your last breath leaves you.

So, no, reader, this is not the way to do Valentine’s Day, unless you are a beta who doesn’t mind putting up with suffocating female crap and scaring away hotter girls who might be future conquests. Just get her a Skittles bag, enjoy her everlasting love, and be happy you aren’t getting pushed off-course your program to maintain relationship limbo in perpetuity.

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  1. on February 15, 2013 at 4:34 pm TheRookie

    I took inspiration from Skittles man this year. My main fling took me out to dinner and I gave her a chocolate bar.

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    • on February 15, 2013 at 6:26 pm george

      this valentines day I just . . We just went out, bought my daughter some stuff, it’s. Roses? nah,, to be honest I feel kinda disturbed because I realized that I never gave her anything that can be considered sweet, the last time I gave her a rose, a candy rose (costs around less than a buck),. . and it’s funny how women complain among themselves and their friends how thrifty am I wth her , although the tone that they imply is like they are actually bragging about how I never gave her anything of any monetary value at all, women. . funny species indeed

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 6:40 pm Drama

      Skittles man, an instant classic.

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      • on February 19, 2013 at 10:16 am george

        trully, and I was like “so this shit really works” because I never actually expected that we’d last our LTR for 7 years, so yeah I guess this shit works and I don’t care what some feminist says

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  2. on February 15, 2013 at 4:59 pm Senior Beta

    “least of all themselves.” Vicious. Even for you. And only one day after VDay. Good show.

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  3. on February 15, 2013 at 5:00 pm taterearl

    Sure they act all warm and cuddly in the courtship phase…but if he is naive enough to marry her all those lovey dovey proclamations and sexy time go out the window.

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    • on February 15, 2013 at 5:15 pm Libertardian

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2279244/Broke-Brendan-Fraser-fights-reduce-alimony-child-support-payments-ex-wife.html

      “Times are hard: ‘Broke’ Brendan Fraser fights to reduce alimony and child support payments to ex-wife

      The ‘broke’ actor, who made his name in The Mummy films, has pleaded with Connecticut court to reduce his annual payments of $900,000 (£562,500), claiming that he can no longer afford them.”

      Comments: “She deserves $1m/year for doing absolutely nothing. If he wants to retire, or do minimal work and live off $100k/year? Not an option. He must make $2m/year before tax simply to provide for her.”

      “For the rest of his life, he has to make $2m/year simply to avoid going to jail. It’s like that movie “Speed” but with money.”

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      • on February 15, 2013 at 7:18 pm gunslingergregi

        thats insane

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 5:28 am Stu

        Fuck!

        I’d like to know the statistics of divorced women who don’t work and simply collect alimony/child support from their ex-husbands. Considering the divorce rate, I’m betting the numbers are pretty scary!

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 2:07 pm Anon

        “How many great men must go down before we do something about this?”

        Bill Burr

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  4. on February 15, 2013 at 5:09 pm Marky Mark

    If your dating a girl of lower value or close to the wall that knows it and she thinks your alpha, can you go overboard on the aloof and indifferent where after a while they think you just don’t care enough and move on?

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    • on February 15, 2013 at 5:14 pm Kate

      Yes.

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      • on February 15, 2013 at 5:16 pm Marky Mark

        And would they hold off on putting out for fear your going to leave them? It seems the hotter girls are more comfortable with themselves…

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      • on February 15, 2013 at 5:42 pm Kate

        Sorry, I don’t have an answer on that one.

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      • on February 15, 2013 at 5:56 pm Marky Mark

        I’m talking about if they make references to how good you look then call themselves ‘big’ or ‘thick’…

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      • on February 15, 2013 at 6:11 pm Kate

        Oh. That definitely sounds like someone who is insecure about her looks and her status relative to yours, overall.

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      • on February 15, 2013 at 8:24 pm corvinus

        No, just the how good I look bit. They do tend to bring up problems about themselves… it could be being fat, but I personally stay away from orcas.

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    • on February 15, 2013 at 8:22 pm corvinus

      Kate’s right. It happened to me, actually. It’s a useful way to get rid of a clinger.

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    • on February 15, 2013 at 8:23 pm Mike in Texas

      The key is to not go too far aloof. I have a FWB who is 14 years my junior (I am 50) that just keeps coming back for more. I have to admit though that the sex with her is incredible, as she is a pediatrician here locally and never had any earlier life experience so she is “sowing her wild oats” at 36. We have no issues at all. We see each other once a week. She has no children, and doesn’t want any. My only son is 26 and lives 350 miles away.

      Occasionally she gets clingy, and a little ignore time, brings her right back around. She knows I am not the marriageable type, as I have told her it, and she says she isn’t either. She works ungodly hours as well, and just likes to have sex. I am good with that.

      Use the aloofness wisely Grasshopper.

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 8:17 pm Zombie Shane

        the sex with her is incredible… she is a pediatrician… She has no children, and doesn’t want any. My only son is 26 and lives 350 miles away…

        JESUS TITTY-FUCKING CHRIST!!!

        And you wonder why the White Race is going extinct?!?

        Look at this chick:

        1) Highly Intelligent – CHECK
        2) Self-Motivated – CHECK
        3) Self-Reliant – CHECK
        4) Fucks Like An Animal – CHECK

        Those are precisely the kinds of genes we need to see preserved and replicated in the species as much and as often as possible.

        In the Name of all that is Holy, put some buns in that chick’s oven before it’s too late.

        God damn it, man, this is serious.

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 8:44 pm Anonymous

        Lol no. Fuck our race. Think of self first and only

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      • on February 17, 2013 at 4:22 pm Mike in Texas

        No thanks. I am done raising children, with 4 step children plus my son.

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      • on February 17, 2013 at 4:54 pm Zombie Shane

        So you’re cheating on your second wife once a week with a local pediatrician?!?

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      • on February 17, 2013 at 5:40 pm Kate

        No, he’s not cheating. As far as I can tell, there’s a gleam to his armor.

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      • on February 17, 2013 at 7:29 pm Zombie Shane

        So he’s got two ex-wives?!?

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      • on February 17, 2013 at 8:09 pm Kate

        That’s my reading. Bringing up five children is a lot. Time to just enjoy the fruits of his efforts.

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      • on February 18, 2013 at 1:09 pm Mike in Texas

        Nope, been divorced for the 2nd, and last time, for 6 years.

        Single and loving it.

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  5. on February 15, 2013 at 5:17 pm gregariouswolf

    proxytocin

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  6. on February 15, 2013 at 5:22 pm PM

    Also too, the need for external validation that plagues our spineless generation. The man becomes an interchangeable prop; a useful object tangential to the real purpose of V day– Self Aggrandizement. The woman must show the world that she is valuable enough to be taken out, wined and dined. “Look what Johhny did for me. Im so special. Im so wonderful. My life is happy. Happier than yours. People adore me.”

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  7. on February 15, 2013 at 5:25 pm Adam

    Alpha of the month?

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 12:06 pm zmbikilr

      Is that all she could afford? I don’t think so.

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  8. on February 15, 2013 at 5:41 pm Red Lightning

    Getting fat in preparation for the marriage keeps tempters away.

    Surely there can be no greater act of devotion. :))))

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    • on February 15, 2013 at 7:16 pm george

      well, they do that in africa

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  9. on February 15, 2013 at 5:45 pm Dr. Zoidberg

    OT:
    Just saw this on Jezebel. Apparently making boyfriends cross dress in your clothes is a thing now. Jesus what happened to men?

    http://jezebel.com/5984622/apparently-switching-clothes-with-your-partner-is-now-a-thing

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 12:14 pm zmbikilr

      I’ve lost more than one pre-worn dress shirt to a girlfriend, but damn I love the look of a woman naked in them.

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 2:14 pm Anon

      I’ve put makeup on each of my boyfriends and/or painted their toenails. The most alpha of them even went out like that to our neighborhood bar and made a big show (joke) of it. Women were hitting on like crazy. If you’re doing it to humiliate your boyfriend that makes you a shitty person. If you’re doing it for shits and giggles and your boyfriend has a sense of humor, I think it’s fine.

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 8:25 pm Plumnuts

      well

      “Every once in awhile I grab my husband’s pants and think “Ha ha, I’ll put these on and it’ll be funny because they’re man pants and will be huge” but then I can’t even get them over my hips.”

      waddya

      “My boyfriend is a waif and wears pants that would never fit on one of my legs. Also, I am really tall and women tend to have their height in their legs, so my pants are much longer than his. I an wear his shirts, which fit me pretty well…unless my boobs don’t fit.”

      know

      “LMAO, so true. I’m perpetually amazed by how tiny his boxers are when I do our laundry. I also have the perpetual trauma of weighing the same or slightly more than him. When I went on Weight Watchers, he did it with me kinda by default, and lost more weight than I did. I told him that if I’m on a diet, he has to eat donuts when I’m not around.”

      jezebel size 18’s can’t fit into bf’s clothes, shameful, chow harder boys

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      • on February 18, 2013 at 12:10 am PetiteOlive

        ^^ rofl too funny

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  10. on February 15, 2013 at 6:37 pm Sal Paradise

    The article about the Somalis fighting against blacks at the Minneapolis high school brings up the pertinent issue. Why are we letting in massive amounts of Muslim immigrants? I’m sure most Muslim-Americans are great people, but Major Hassan and the London Subway bombings don’t portend to a great future of Muslims in the West. Our foreign policy elites are so fixated on Iran and protecting Israel, or buying into the equalist bs that they ignore America’s biggest threat:homegrown terrorists.

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 11:44 pm corvinus

      Actually, the USA is the least Muslim-infested country in the Western world.

      As for the Somalis… you can thank refugee resettlement agencies like LIARS (Lutheran Immigrant Aid and Refugee Services) for that, especially in Minnesota.

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  11. on February 15, 2013 at 6:54 pm Nigel

    Such interesting post. Funny how when gfs starts showing pics with you over dinner and bragging about you is bad and conveys your betaness. Ironic. You would of thought that a girl doing that would be good. Before the days of taking the red pill.

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 4:16 am MrJohn

      Yeah a bit counter intuitive perhaps. The thing is she wasn’t really bragging about his great character/alphaness or anything, she was bragging about his ability to invest in her.

      That red pill is so good.

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  12. on February 15, 2013 at 6:59 pm Nigel

    Seeking advice on how to ask out a girl I’m interested in. We met in Dec when I was working a temp job. (I have a main job other than that too.) She’s 7.5 bubbly personality, funny and friendly. We talked like once or twice, but haven’t seen her in a while. I was going to go back to the office she works at and start small talk and ask her out. What do you guys think? Would it be creepy to ask her out now after like 2 months of not seeing each other? I’m overweight beta who thinks too much when trying or wanting to approach women. All comments welcome. Thanks in advance

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    • on February 15, 2013 at 8:41 pm Mr. Pointyface

      It’s good you’re trying to plan an asking for advice, but the Roosh rule probably applies here: If you ask about how to deal with a girl, you’re probably too invested in her to have a chance this time. You can try it, but it will be awkward. The better way in the future is when you realize you’re attracted is find a way to express it more spontaneously in the moment so you show you’re aggressive. Since women are incapable of taking the initiative ( unless you are very desirable) sort of the first hurdle is to prove you can do that part.

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      • on February 15, 2013 at 11:43 pm n/a

        Finally the kind of useful post I’ve seen from you elsewhere.–

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    • on February 15, 2013 at 10:10 pm JironGhrad

      She’s a 7.5 and you’ve waited 2 months? Move on. Unless you’re actually working at her office, don’t go back.

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 10:54 pm Creo

      Dont go back there..sounds like you will just fuck it up…awkward for her and you.. Better to meet her at a coffee shop or somewhere where you “accidentally bump into her”.
      Then you can say hi and oh yeah i remember you..blah blah..then ask for her number. meanwhile meet other women.

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  13. on February 15, 2013 at 6:59 pm just asking

    can a girl who is short/average (5’0”-5’5”) still be a 10 in the 1-10 scale or only tall girls(5’6”+) can be a 10?

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    • on February 15, 2013 at 8:27 pm Mike in Texas

      Absolutely! I love petite women. In fact, I like them better that tall willowy, runway model types.

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 6:37 am just asking

        yeah, I do think suermodels are too tall and their height isn’t the ideal woman height.

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    • on February 15, 2013 at 9:09 pm feministx

      Salma Hayek is 5’2″

      Scar Jo is 5’3″

      Answer = yes

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 10:40 am just asking

        also, Elisha Cuthbert is somewhere 5’1”-5’4”

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    • on February 15, 2013 at 9:17 pm 3rd Millenium Men

      No. Girls need to be tall to be a perfect 10. More height of them to love!

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 6:36 am just asking

        ok

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    • on February 15, 2013 at 9:18 pm Anon

      Kim Kardashian is 5 feet.

      She’s a 10 (minus 10 points because she’s a monkey-fucking trash whore).

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 6:38 am just asking

        she is 5’2”

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    • on February 15, 2013 at 11:58 pm n/a

      Aristotle said that a short woman cannot be truly beautiful. Though he was hardly averse to a short boy if you take my meaning and have you ever spent time at a gymnasium? just asking.

      On another thread you asked about the difference in fucking short and tall and you might say that the difference is large, and no, R, tall women don’t have miraculous anatomy that makes their cunts magically tight. No matter how many or how few they ride, very tall women are typically capacious.

      But there’s another hole that tall women have as well and that is always a close fit, not to mention preferable for all sorts of purposes.

      Very short women are like plush toys and pizza dough, good to squeeze.–

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 6:36 am just asking

        “Beauty depends on size as well as symmetry. No very small animal can be beautiful, for looking at it takes so small a portion of time that the impression of it will be confused. Nor can any very large one, for a whole view of it cannot be had at once, and so there will be no unity and completeness. ”
        -Aristotle
        he isn’t particularly talking about woman, but by his logic, the giant supermodels wouldn’t be beautiul either. He seems to be the kind of guy who would prefer an average height woman….

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 2:20 pm Anon

      Most men and women are most attracted to those that are the normal ratio of sexual dimorphism to them. There’s been studies about it. Height-wise this is about a 6 inch difference.

      I’m 5’2” and most of the men I’ve dated have been 5’8-9”, for example

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 4:20 pm omerta327

      Shakira is 4′ 11′. I think she’s pretty damn close to a 10.

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 8:35 pm Plumnuts

      I don’t give two hoots about height unless it’s close, equal or taller than my own. Those that are taller, I’ve no interest in – they look like horses and I want to ride them as such. Those around my height or close to look less feminine IMO. 5’0″ – 5’5″ is a wholesome feminine height, I find this height attractive and rate girls up for being in this range. So portable & fuckable, mmm-mmm.

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    • on February 17, 2013 at 3:11 pm Big Game Hunter

      Of course! Best height for women in my opinion is something like 5’1” to 5’5”. Any shorter and it might be difficult to not get chubby or boyish, but that depends on the genes, and any taller and it’s hard to be curvy unless you won the genetic lottery. For what it’s worth, this is the opinion of a man who’s 6’4”, so it’s not short guy complex talking or anything.

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    • on February 17, 2013 at 7:05 pm konoron

      For a man of appropriate height, yes. 10ness is subjective.

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    • on February 17, 2013 at 9:20 pm anon

      Yes you are beta.

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  14. on February 15, 2013 at 7:09 pm AlephMale

    Wanting a bunch of annoying couple pictures is the biggest sign of this. Years ago I was in a rut and was sleeping with a 5. She wanted to take a bunch of stupid photos of us cuddling and crap like that to make her annoying friends jealous. I refused of course.

    The was my red pill moment. My lack of enthusiasm seemed alpha to her and my passive-aggressive attempts to get her to dump me had the opposite effect. Eventually I was actively experimenting with toying with her – I took a pretty cousin of mine to a coffee house where I knew her best friend would be studying, that sort of thing.

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 6:39 am just asking

      what kind of you, treating people like shit because they are not ”attractive”. Grow up, how would you feel if she did with you what you did to her?

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 8:11 am bob

        “Grow up, how would you feel if she did with you what you did to her?”

        Girls do this daily man, wake up.

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 9:10 am passingby

        Every man knows how that feels: women/girls do that to beta orbiters, and every man was a beta orbiter for some gal, even if it was only when he was first hitting puberty and trying to understand females for the first time.

        (And yes, all women really are like that.)

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 10:10 am just asking

        generalization is ignorance. I wouldn’t do it to a guy just because I don’t find him attractive. You can’t assume every girl is the same.

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      • on February 17, 2013 at 6:28 am quasi

        And that’s what they all say.

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      • on February 17, 2013 at 10:40 am passingby

        “generalization is ignorance”

        Supercilious, unintentional irony is the most savory kind for the discerning reader.

        Another gal who is sure she knows how you lived your lives, men, and sees no need to consider whether the experience of a man is materially different from that of a woman.

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  15. on February 15, 2013 at 9:21 pm feministx

    “If, in contrast, your girlfriend admirably restrains herself from the lure of online attention whoring and shouting your abject devotion to the heart of the world, you are probably an alpha male dating a good-looking lady of character. ”

    I never post anything about my boyfriend and myself on facebook because I don’t want his wife to see. He gets pissed off when other people tag us together in photos on fb.

    Theoretically, this is a sign that my boyfriend is an alpha male dating a good looking lady of character. That could be true except for that I hit on heartiste yesterday just I like I do everyday.

    “I mean, unlike me, assume you are a non-sociopath in the above thought experiment.”

    Do you ever work on that issue? I mean, maybe there is no reason for you to because dark triad traits are somehow signs of masculine sex appeal. I, however, do not know what to do about the whole being a sociopath issue. Any suggestion?

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 12:37 pm YaReally

      lol

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 1:01 pm yeahokcool

        @yareally. i’m not sure what you find funny about that, but i, personally, love to see the hamster in action. women have an incredible ability to string together multiple, nonsensical, and completely unrelated points into one train of thought or interweb post. and, to top it all off, they are totally unawares of said internal inconsistencies.

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 1:43 pm feministx

        ” and, to top it all off, they are totally unawares of said internal inconsistencies.”

        I re-read my post and did not find internal inconsistencies. Can you point them out for me? Thanks.

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      • on February 17, 2013 at 6:06 pm What

        lol your face looks like it got smashed by that fuckin russian meteor

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      • on February 17, 2013 at 10:20 pm feministx

        Hey, personally I thought it was more of a “lolz” comment myself, but apparently it’s quite the get your panties in a bunch type of post.

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      • on February 19, 2013 at 4:31 pm What

        you talk too much

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 8:41 pm Plumnuts

      just wtf. hope that helps

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    • on February 17, 2013 at 3:27 pm Anonymous

      he isn’t dating a good looking woman.

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  16. on February 15, 2013 at 10:42 pm santa666

    Wife woke me up saying “Happy Valentines Day”, my response: “That’s today?”. Sum total of my acknowledgement of that stupid hallmark holiday.

    I can’t beleive I used to think it mattered if I cared. I can’t beleive I used to think a lot of things.

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  17. on February 15, 2013 at 11:33 pm Spiralina

    “Women have a more powerful “trading up” urge than do men, and this instinct can get them in trouble if they don’t have the self-discipline to know when they have a good thing and act accordingly.”

    YES. Self-discipline is the only way for women to maintain happiness now that there is no societal pressure to be faithful in our marriages anymore. The big problems here are constant hypergamous threats for the average woman (if she hasn’t let herself go) because the men who will sleep with her are often higher status than the men who will date or marry her. So she may be dating/married to a greater beta – a good guy who treats her well – but when she’s out in the world, men who are more desirable than her husband will hit on her. It might make her wonder if she made a mistake, and think maybe she could trade up and do better. BUT it takes self-discipline to remind herself that Mr. Alpha is just looking for a one-night stand and she looked like an easy target, and in the long run her man at home is much better. Most of the time if she politely turns down Mr. Alpha, he’ll be hitting on another woman 5 minutes later. But lot of women lack this perspective. It’s a priceless gift.

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 7:42 am Kate

      Excellent comment.

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 9:46 am Flavia

      I wonder if having a stable family vs an unstable family is better for this sort of discipline. While I do know that stable nuclear families are better all around, I do wonder if they give some girls a false sense of security that all guys are nice like daddy. Sometimes, if one has sufficient observational skills, seeing the damage that some men can do secondhand can lead to better choices in the future.

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    • on February 17, 2013 at 2:15 pm Canadian Friend

      This should be taught to young girls in school and is the type of advice that should be in women’s magazine

      Great comment Spiralina

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      • on February 19, 2013 at 12:49 am Spiralina

        Thank you, that’s very kind of you! P.S. I am Canadian too.

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      • on February 19, 2013 at 10:01 am Kate

        GBFW: Sister Carrie (Theodore Dreiser)

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  18. on February 15, 2013 at 11:55 pm Beta Female Relationship Whoring « PUA Central

    […] slow dance in our living room. I have such a wonderful man. Thank you (name). Love you with all …read more Source: Chateau […]

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  19. on February 16, 2013 at 12:00 am Christian

    CH – Have you ever read the e-book “The Black Flag”? Written by the writer for Solve My Girl Problems in 2011

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  20. on February 16, 2013 at 12:29 am Anon

    OT

    Can you make an ex jealous by being seen with a less attractive girl?

    An ex-fling recently saw me with a less attractive fling. The difference is tight, maybe 8 vs 7.
    The thing is, the current fling was well-dressed, fashion clothes and bag and shoes etc… seemed way more high-class than the ex. And I saw the look of jealousy on the ex’s face.

    Now I wonder if girls are really judging their competition according to men’s standards (facial symmetry, thin, curvy, 0.7 whr etc..) or according to status, just like how they’re judging men.

    Useful tip: If you want to artificially increase your preselection, and all you have under your hand is a plain jane, try to pimp her up, by making her spend her own money on expensive girl stuff.

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 7:45 am Kate

      Its one thing to be replaced by someone prettier, but to be replaced by someone less pretty is a big insult.

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 9:43 am Flavia

        Depends on how much less pretty. I am insanely jealous, jealous even that my husband had other girls before me….but then i saw some of them, and while they are pretty, I am markedly better looking. Jealousy, annihilated, I was filled with glee. “HER!!?? Her!! YAY!!!!!”

        If the girls had been prettier than me, it would have made me upset. The fact that he loves me for my personality is great and all, but I am most happy when I am objectified (by him).

        ….and I saw that sly smirk when someone made the offhand comment that some guy I’d casually dated before him gained 50 lbs.

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 8:47 pm Plumnuts

        It’s within this context that I’ll understand where you’re coming from regarding asian girls.

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 11:51 am Country Doctor

        Nevertheless, it may be an indication that one is neither as pretty nor as nice as she thinks she is.

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 11:53 am Kate

        Right!

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      • on February 16, 2013 at 2:35 pm Anon

        The only way I’m going to be jealous is if I’m not over a guy. And then I’ll be jealous regardless of my replacement’s looks.

        If I am over him, I do relish his less attractive girlfriend with bitter delight. More attractive, I’ll find something wrong with her, even if she’s a 10, and ride with that.

        At least I’m aware of the mental gymnastics.

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  21. on February 16, 2013 at 12:35 am Jose Coces

    “The ugly girl is with a low value man, and nobody wants either of them, *least of all themselves*, despite the alacrity to which they resign themselves to their moribund romantic fate.”

    You have a rotten soul.
    But, damn, you’re right.

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  22. on February 16, 2013 at 1:53 am whorefinder

    Rape!

    I’m back baby!

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  23. on February 16, 2013 at 4:13 am MrJohn

    CH, your insights are clear, as always! Thanks.

    I’d rather go with the skittles program for sure. I need my money to buy things for me.

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  24. on February 16, 2013 at 4:36 am Opus

    It occurs to me that what the women is also signalling (especially if she is similar to my one and only Swedish ex-gf) that whereas you may previously have been led to believe that she was a slut who had had more dick than was good for her, that, on the contrary, as all can see, she is a loyal and faithful gf now that she has met Mr Wonderful. I would guess that he will drop her before the month is out, at least that level of clinginess would have me rushing for the exit.

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 4:15 pm Anonymous

      That’s what I’ve observed. It’s a way of signaling to the new man what she thinks a loyal type girl would be like and she’d be right except it’s the behavior of 15 year old girl in love.

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  25. on February 16, 2013 at 4:53 am Aussie

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-15/argentine-woman-marries-sisters-killer/4520262

    The power of alpha…

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  26. on February 16, 2013 at 12:13 pm Erik

    http://antimisandry.com/stupidity/vagina-monologues-rape-isnt-rape-when-woman-does-7175.html#axzz2L58xfp5V

    We should start a campaing against this woman.

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  27. on February 16, 2013 at 12:50 pm Uncle Elmer

    Isn’t the Pistorius affair some Valentine-fueled partnercide? His girlfriend was on the “net” obsessing over various Valentine Day rituals the day before her untimely death.

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 1:10 pm Firepower

      I know!
      I can’t concentrate
      On a single thing
      Unless THIS “blade-runna” thing is resolved!

      Famous guy
      Crazy Flippa Feet
      STILL gets laid.

      I tellya:
      Game Works!

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      • on February 17, 2013 at 6:50 am quasi

        I wouldn’t like to be on that jury, tough one to call.

        On the one hand, she was a nice piece of ass, and anyone offing hotties deserves punishment, but on the other, she was also a lawyercunt, so it was probably justifiable homicide.

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      • on February 17, 2013 at 7:50 pm Firepower

        For Pisto to live in such a mansion, without ever winning anything, speaks volumes of the insanity in the lucrative commercialization of Selling Sports Junk to Fat Dipshits.

        That she spread ’em for stubby provides further proof of why both are empty douche bags who deserved The Fate each other cast for them.

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  28. on February 16, 2013 at 1:13 pm Dale

    Two points:
    1. The female status heirarchy has a large component on having a man, so she is also trying to build her status with women.
    2. The phenomena also occurs with higher status women. Look haw George Clooney’s GFs make sure they are seen in the tabloids. (Depends on relative rank with boyfriend.)

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    • on February 19, 2013 at 3:43 am Nicole

      There’s a difference between being seen together and stopping every few minutes of what is supposed to be a romantic date to take photos. Who brings a camera or bothers about their cell phone on a date?

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      • on February 19, 2013 at 4:03 am gunslingergregi

        i take pics dammit not every few minutes though

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      • on February 19, 2013 at 9:51 am Kate

        If you’re with the right person, you are too busy experiencing to bother documenting. FB has deluded everyone into the belief of their own celebrity. Posts/pictures like this make me wonder if this guy is a man or a pet.

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  29. on February 16, 2013 at 2:16 pm YaReally

    What separates PUAs from the Manosphere:

    Manosphere guys cry about “mean” girls and whine about their lack of height or looks or money and sit around feeling sorry for themselves and stroke eachother’s dicks confirming eachother’s limiting beliefs and follow Roosh around the world trying to find the easiest foreign girls they can get in-between their self-pitying rants about how unfair the sexual marketplace is on Manospere blog comment sections.

    http://www.rsdnation.com/node/357133/forum

    This guy is MISSING AN EYE, and he’s just like “hey, I don’t have an eye, anyone got any tips? How can I use this to my advantage to maximize my success rate? Thanks!” like not a single fuck is given lol

    Quit being pussies. It’s Saturday and you’re probably more awesome than you realize, go talk to some chicks tonight.

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 8:46 pm yeahokcool

      Couldn’t agree more. Getting ready to go to exactly that… Join us, fuckers! 🙂

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    • on February 16, 2013 at 9:58 pm immoralgables

      @YaReally. Hey man I posted a Field-Report for Day 5 of my 30 Day Challenge. It is a bit long but would appreciate any feed-back you can give. I posted it in the Seduction Lair NYC over at Reddit.

      http://www.reddit.com/r/GothamSeddit/comments/18o75w/field_report_day_5_of_30_day_challenge/

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      • on February 17, 2013 at 11:33 am Naz

        I like how right after each interaction you felt what could/should’ve been done to take it further. Your analysis is spot on and void of emotional attachment.

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      • on February 17, 2013 at 4:31 pm YaReally

        Good stuff! I’ll check it out and write up some shit this week. Stay tuned lol

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      • on February 17, 2013 at 5:41 pm Rihanna Deserved It

        Well done. You obviously need to escalate. Personally, when I know a girl likes me, I go in for the kiss knowing that I will get turned down for whatever reason (could be that her friends are watching, it’s too early in the interaction, she’s not a fan of PDA, etc.) but I do it with the confidence that it will increase her attraction for me. I might even try multiple times depending on the vibe. It seems like you go out a lot and take action, so you have honed in on the ability to pick up social cues. Use this to your advantage and understand that there is no such thing as rejection.

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      • on February 19, 2013 at 4:13 pm immoralgables

        Thanks for reading and feedback. Escalating has always been my weak point and its probably due to the fact of being hung up on past rejections where I did escalate. I’ve tried coming up with a couple lines to go for the kiss such as

        “If you keep looking at me like that I’m going to have to kiss you”

        I’ve lost plenty of girls by not escalating out of fear or disbelief that they would be into me. Any insight you have regarding a couple pointers I can remember tonight would help

        My sticking points are transitioning to the kiss when meeting a girl for the first night. I met an hb6.5 last night and kissed her but that was after gaming her for an hour at the bar. First dates I’m solid with the physical escalation I’m specifically talking about the first 30min or so or less in a sarge and the girl is flashing me enough IOIS to warrant a move.

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  30. on February 16, 2013 at 2:30 pm Anon

    One caveat, girls who are in their first serious relationship(s) will do this regardless of attractiveness. Talk to any girl under 19 or so with a boyfriend she will reference him constantly. Even the very cute ones.

    Otherwise, great post.

    A girlfriend of mine just texted me about “how was your valentine’s” before launching into an 8 text sequence about hers. This guy’s behavior towards her is very on the fence, and I’ve told her this many times. So I guess his CVS chocolates and the dinner they probably went dutch on is supposed to vindicate her somehow.

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  31. on February 16, 2013 at 3:11 pm Nigel

    Thanks Mr. Pointyface and JironGhrad. I’ll definitely take your advice.

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  32. on February 16, 2013 at 3:55 pm Anon

    OT

    Eat, Pray, Die.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9851896/Married-constable-hanged-herself-after-becoming-pregnant-by-college-tutor.html

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  33. on February 16, 2013 at 4:08 pm asdf

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/02/14/woman-in-argentina-marries-twin-sister-convicted-killer/

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    • on February 17, 2013 at 4:58 pm Ovid

      Beat me to it. Oh well, here’s my headline:

      Chicks Dig Jerks….Who Kill their Twin Sister!

      http://news.msn.com/world/argentine-woman-marries-her-twins-convicted-killer

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      • on February 17, 2013 at 4:59 pm Ovid

        Pretty hot looking wench judging by her photo above

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  34. on February 16, 2013 at 4:22 pm omerta327

    “Beef Raw”. Almost spit out my coffee when I saw that.

    Interesting post, CH. Something I never really noticed before. But I’m not on FB, either.

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  35. on February 16, 2013 at 6:28 pm Rum

    Notes from the gun-range.

    A sign: “We do not call 911”.

    Also, shooting black-powder-loaded rounds from a huge replica of an 1873 Colt .45 that makes clouds of eye-watering smoke will cause all the hotties on the scene to find an excuse to stand close to you.

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  36. on February 16, 2013 at 11:14 pm Nicko

    I have an older friend on Facebook, he is a so beta it makes me sick. He’s so gooey he disgusts me. I want to man-slap him in the face and tell him to wake the f— up.

    He posted a picture on Facebook of all the chocolates and teddy bears he bought his wonderful wife, but I noticed one thing; he immediately wrote a comment “luv ya bubs” under the picture, a few people said “that’s so sweet”, but she never liked the picture or wrote a comment in reply despite the fact she lives on Facebook. 25 people liked the picture but she didn’t. What does that tell you?

    I know that she only hooked up with my mate because she panicked after turning 30 and wanted to get married as soon as possible (as most 27-33 yr old chicks do).

    5 years ago, I’ve seen her around alphas after they were just beginning to date. Her eyes would light up when talking to them and had to be dragged away kicking and screaming when my mate wanted to go home.

    He even proposed to her at a sporting event. Yuck.

    How he is so blind to his betaness is beyond me.

    It’s no surprise that, to date she has refused to have his kid even though the “time is a ticking”. She probably cries herself to sleep every night because of this.

    I feel so dirty by his betaness just talking about this. It makes me shiver.

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    • on February 17, 2013 at 12:02 am corvinus

      Ha. Is she also getting fat? What’s her attractiveness level? I have never quite understood why women will hook themselves up with cloying betas, even though they don’t turn them on. There has to be a middle ground somewhere. Then again, dudes settle for fat chicks all the time.

      A very attractive classical singer I know put up a new glamour shot on Facebook, and of course she was swarmed with likes and gushy posts, mostly from chicks but a few dudes too. I wrote, ” ‘102 people like this?’ That would send my ego to the moon” and a few hours later she liked it. I checked back… the likes on her picture were up to about 150. As for all the complimentary posts… two dudes’ compliments got liked, but by people other than her (including in one case by another dude). The only other “like” she herself put was from one of her girlfriends, apparently a BFF. Everybody else? Nothing.

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    • on February 17, 2013 at 12:46 am Anon

      If he’s really your friend, wat until he hits rock bottom after the inevitable cuckolding/divorce and then send him to the chateau.

      If he still doesn’t see the dark light because he’s too dumb or too beta wouldn’t be your responsibility.

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  37. on February 17, 2013 at 9:10 am Scray

    FR —>

    Week until Thurs:

    Mon —

    Meet up at a bar to watch the game with HB6Asian, HB6Chunky, HB6LittleBlondie. So, HB6LittleBlondie sits on the other side of the table when she gets there, I just say hi. Pretty much, I think whatever ‘vibe’ I detected earlier was gone. Keep in mind that I don’t see her or these other three around that much, despite the fact that they’re in the circle because HB6Asian is sort-of-dating my natural buddy. I just dismiss it ‘whatever, guess it was in my head.’
    I ask everyone if they want to play some shuffleboard. The girls seem into it, but my natural buddy — for whatever reason — decides to AMOG me on it ‘nah, I’m not gonna play with you. I’ll play, but I’m not playing with you.’

    It was such a random dick move. For a few moments, it seemed like I was going to just get straight up tooled. But, the girls actually are like ‘hey, HB6Asian can play on your team!’ I’m like ‘lol ha good one.’ (Ya, I just auto-assume that she wouldn’t want to be on my team and want to be on my natural buddy’s team. Lame) To my surprise though, HB6Asian agrees and they all are like ‘yeah, he should get to play in the first game — it was his idea,’ giving my natural buddy some pushback. I think they even called him a baby about it. I think what I’m learning is that people will help you out when you’re legit adding value to a situation…

    Tues —

    Girl I sit next to in class, HB7Quiet. I’m always playful with her. I ask about a bracelet she has and she talks about how her boyfriend does/is blah blah and got it for her. Whatever, I can at least try to practice or SOMETHING. After class, I walk with her to the parking garage.

    Me: Oh, you going to the garage, I live right across the way. Let’s walk.
    Her: Oh…really? (skeptical)
    Me: What the fuck HB7Quiet, you don’t believe me? You’re mean.
    Her: Haha, what were you going to say…you live close?
    Me: Nah, I don’t want to talk about that. Let’s talk about how Micky in our class looks like a gay pitbull…
    Her: (starts to giggle — like, legit) What…he kind of looks like that I guess, hahahaha
    Me: No he doesn’t…you’re so mean! It’s just funny to talk shit when it makes no sense. Like this lady up ahead (points to a fat woman up ahead) …I mean, just fucken…she sucks..
    (she starts laughing)
    …I mean, just fucken look at her.
    (She hides her face behind her folder, laughing)

    Then we had a normal conversation about skateboarding/snowboarding and I told her about my recent adventures in extreme snowboarding, hahahaha. We pass the lady I was talking about earlier.

    Me: (turning whispering to her ear) okay, don’t fuck up…don’t fucken betray me…act natural…you’re acting fucking ridiculous right now, you need to fucking stop it, we are so blown…

    Her: (laughing, brandishing her keys) Stop! I’m gonna stab you with these.
    Me: (I just kind of laugh…we reach the garage, I just keep walking and say later)

    I liked this interaction because I felt like the type of laughter was correct. Like….I can’t describe it, but ya…’attracted laugh.’

    Thurs —

    Valentine’s Day. Fuck that’s depressing. First VDay alone in years. And the gay FB shit is full force. Whatever.

    Interesting e-convo with HB6Chunky. I’m trying out Game-doubter’s advice and just trying ‘normal conversation.’ Anyway, midway through the conversation she asks if I got contacts (I did). I kinda misread what she says, and I’m like ‘what?’ And she’s like ‘you didn’t wear glasses the other day.’ And I’m like ‘oh ya.’ And she says ‘me and HB6LittleBlondie think you look good.’ I just say thanks, then she’s like ‘ya that’s why HB6Asian wanted to be your partner, because she thinks you look better than NaturalBuddy.’ I’m just like ‘lol ok.’

    Idk if this means anything, but it’s kind of new I guess.

    Me and Nightly made a connection last week (I didn’t write about it because I didn’t think it was a big deal, just chatting up some guy for a sec in the club). So apparently he’s a promoter and informed us about an event we could get into for free…hush hush. Later, me and Nightly hit up a club. Valhalla. All the hot girls are at this club apparently. I think I only saw one set that contained a fat girl and a sub 7. So…I mean….7-9’s all around. Pretty insane feeling…I felt like doing the whole ‘we are not worthy!’ Wayne’s World thing.

    I attempt to open the first set — of course it’s the one with the fat girl and the sub 7. Check this shit out, the fat girl 4 is totally nonresponsive to me, but this 5.5 invades and is real into the whole hairdresser bit. She isolates herself to talk to me, but once she splits from her group and its two 7’s (they don’t seem much impressed by me), I just eject. Fuck it.

    Nightly pulls me aside, and he tells me to wait with him in a place that’s in direct line of the bathroom. He says he just saw a 7 and an 8 walk into a bathroom and that he wanted help opening them when they walked back out. I nod. We decide to go with a ‘should you be friends with your ex setup.’ I’ll be the guy with the ex and the new girl who finds the mementos.

    Here they come. We act like we’re in a spirited discussion, then Nightly breaks off like a champion to hook them in. The 7 instantly opens up to me. She’s a little drunk — she’s touching me, getting in my face, etc. etc. Nightly talks to the 8, plowing past the opener. The 7 actually will not stop talking to me about the opener. I’m sure to frame the question as one of tact ‘how can I break this ‘I’m keeping the mementos’ to her while we continue to eh…do our thing?’ Somewhere in the middle of the interaction the 7 is like ‘well you’ve only been with this new girl for like 3 weeks, who cares? You’re an attractive guy, you’ll find a new girl.’

    Suddenly, some well-dressed Eurofag appears. Enter, the AMOG. He immediately just grabs the 8 and takes her into a ‘VIP’ area, and he tries to call over the 7 as well. I see an opportunity….

    I take her hand and say ‘hey, let’s sit over here for a second.’ She’s like ‘what, why, huh?’ ‘yeah, let’s keep talking, I want to hear you better…duh, dummy.’ She laughs and after a few more jokes is like ‘okaaaay fine!’

    We sit down, and I do the ‘life story in five words or less.’ She’s kind of drunk, so she rambles about her accomplishments. Then, she goes right back to the opener, trying to ‘help’ me. FUCK. So then I just start imitating everything she says. It takes her a second to catch on, but she starts laughing after a few moments.

    No sign of the 8 or Eurofag, and then a guy I know comes walking by. Me and him shake hands, and he seems to instantly know what’s up because he starts saying awesome shit about me immediately — to ME.

    Suddenly, 8 and Eurofag show back up. Idk where Nightly went. GuyIKnow tries to distract the obstacles, but they blow him out quickly. I continue to talk to the 7, but the Eurofag just leans over and is like ‘YEAH, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS GET HER BLOODY NUMBAH.’ Ugh. The 7 is being difficult, the 8 and the Eurofag are the power couple of cockblocking, having clipped two wings, and I’m not getting anywhere. So I actually just get the number and eject. And yeah, it was a flake — knew it immediately.

    We move into the mainroom where most the girls are. It’s extremely loud. I can’t hear shit. Next set, by myself at the bar — I’m literally yelling at this 8 and 8.5. I barely even get through my opener, and they both are just so uninterested, and I don’t feel like yelling…eject.

    I start walking the other way, and Nightly pulls me back into another set. Holy christ…the HB8.5Twins, one in red, one in black. We actually can’t believe they’re twins. We try to guess which one is older. We make a show of huddling. They seem to like it. We get it wrong. After a few minutes though, they kind of get a little bored. Nightly turns to me and is like ‘open those girls behind you.’

    I do it….I open, they all tower over me, they’re all 8.5’s. I’m really not used to this kind of hotness. They’re polite enough…slightly open body language but clearly not easily impressed. I actually hit the eject button shortly after they give their answers for the opener.

    I turn back into the other set and Nightly reintroduces me, going back to the ‘friends with ex’ gambit from before. Boom. Twins warm up. HB8.5Twin in red starts playing therapist with me. Suddenly, a chode wanders onstage. He puts his arm around her, but it’s more on a little counter than it is on her. My mind works….not a boyfriend. While the twins are interested in our opener, their interest falls off so fast…I don’t even remember to say anything about a hairdresser.

    We change venues.
    Next venue, we hit up some more standard fare — a 5.5 and a 6.5. Both are pretty tall. Nightly’s set — again. Nightly launches into several routines, and the girls are laughing, but it’s not the right kind of laughter. And eventually the 6.5 comes out and says it “I feel like this is a comedy skit…and I’m wondering how we can leave it.” Blown out. We move on.

    I opened the next set I saw…two girls facing away. They turned around…uggos. I stop giving a shit. I create an opener — ‘do best friends lie to one another?’ blah blah blah blah ‘well my best friend as of tonight is going out with a girl, and I was with her a few months ago, and I wonder if I should tell him.’ Uggo starts to blab. I don’t care. Nightly comes in — we agreed to set up the set’s wing as the guy with a jealous new gf. But I just give him the ‘eject, eject, eject’ eyes. I try to leave and Ms. Uggo is like ‘yeah, let’s go find your other friend and tell him.’ Lol. Took awhile to eject.

    Friday:

    Another club with tons of hot girls. However, this club is impossibly loud. I’m at the bar. There’s a girl in a pink shirt there with a guy, and the guy puts his arm around her. His hand is on her shoulder. I assume it isn’t a boyfriend.

    Later on, that girl was at the bar with her friend. Nightly opens the friend, I step in to talk with her. She’s just PlainJane. She touches me every now and again, leans in to hear me, blah blah blah. I guess where she’s from. I fail. She tells me where she’s from. I tease her and say I don’t believe her. I keep doing this. She even shows me her ID at one point. NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME (maybe too much teasing, but who cares…she’s like a 5.5). Her friend gets her, they leave.

    I see her at the bar later, and fuck, I don’t give a shit.

    Me: Do you dislike me?

    Her: ….actually, yeah.

    Me: (laughs) Oh yeah, why’s that?

    Her: Because lawyers suck in general. (I had told her I was a law student)

    Me: Hahaha. Okay, well let’s try to unring this bell…what’s your name?

    Her: PlainJane.

    Me: (nods)

    Her: (she slowly nods, raising her eyebrows)……what’s your name?

    Me: Scray.
    (I touch her on her back)
    Now we’re not strangers anymore and we like each other.

    Her: (She smiles and shakes her head. At this point I’m like, whatevz)

    Me: Hahaha, love you too.

    Her: If I can ask…where did you do your undergrad?

    Me: College U

    Her: And you go to law school at…?

    Me: College U

    Her: Why?

    Me: They pay for me to go. It’s a pretty good school.

    Her: How old are you?

    Me: 25.

    Her: Okay, well I finished college at 19 and now I have a job I love blah blah blah…so, I win.

    Me: (mentally, fuck this bitch wtf kind of stupid game is this?) Is this some sort of competition? Okay. -My- job matters. The end.

    Her: (pissed. walks off.)

    Me: (looks the other way, then when I look back, there she is again)

    Her: Well, most of my friends don’t even have degrees, so you should watch what you say to people before you say it!

    Me: (smirk, turn away)

    Next set is a booth of 10 girls. I am screaming at the top of my lungs — only two can even, barely, hear it. After a few minutes, I get into the middle of my hairdresser routine and I just eject. No one could hear me.

    Next set is HB8Bartender and her exceedingly plain friend. I tell her to settle an argument I’m having about whether khaki is a color or a fabric. Blah blah blah. I wonder aloud whether they’re friends from their body language. Blah blah blah. I get to calling the Bartender crazy, she nods, and I say ‘yeah you are, let me see your hand.’ I do the digit ratio routine (her ring is shorter than her index), and I’m like ‘huh…I guess you’re a girly girl after all, nevermind.’ She’s like ‘NO I’M NOT. I AM THE CRAZY ONE, THAT’S WRONG.’ I shrug. I do the hairdresser thing and say that my hairdresser friend is crazy. She’s starting to lean in, she’s starting to touch me a little bit.

    Me: I’m gonna guess what you do

    Her: Okay, go for it!

    Me: Sex slave.

    Her: Ha, no!

    Me: Professional wrestler.

    Her: (she rolls her eyes…I smirk)

    Me: Darn.

    Her: (She points to the bartender) I do that.

    Me: Ooooh..

    Her: (she smirks at me) I bet I can guess what you do.

    Me: You get three guesses.

    Her: Okay….(faux thinking)….you’re a nerd. That’s what you do.

    Is this a shit test? Maybe so. Yeah, seems like it. Okay, so time to think of a clever and good response. Oh wait, no, I already reacted to it…

    Me: (totally incongruent body language with these words…I felt it—I shook my head. FFS) Nah, you get two more guesses

    Her: That’s what you do! That’s it! Like computers and keyboards and videogames

    Me: (Losing this battle) Nah.

    Her: (imitates a keyboard typing)

    Me: You’re such a little brat. (Comes off as butthurt rather than self-amused…this is just terrible. TURRRRIBLE)

    Nightly comes in to try and distract the obstacle because ‘it looked like she was into you.’ And I kind of give him the ‘nah, I just put this set into a flat spin from which I cannot recover’ look. Things wind down, and the friend takes her HB8Bartender away.

    I need to open another set. I see this early 30’s 5 at the bar. I just go direct. ‘Hey, you seemed cool, I wanted to talk with you.’ We talk…yaddayaddayadda. I stop talking several times, she reinitiates. I don’t care. After a few minutes I actually am just like ‘yeah, well if you’re not interested in fucking just say so because I’ve got some other girls I want to talk to.’ I actually can’t believe I said that in retrospect. I literally just cut her off, said ‘hey,’ motioned for her to lean in, and said that. Lol. She then goes on this long exposition of how she has some new boyfriend and isn’t a cheater and blah blah blah and how she isn’t just using that to get rid of me or whatever. I say ‘cool,’ give her a hug, and leave.

    Last set…two tall girls (heels), HB7.5Sales and HB7.5Asian. Nightly opens it. Nightly can’t decide which target he wants (he keeps calling both crazy at separate intervals). Eventually, he’s talking to HB7.5Asian more, so I focus on HB7.5Sales. I’m attracted to her. Long slender legs, nice black dress. Feminine. easy obstacle to distract at least. Nightly sets me up as the object of the ‘jealous new gf.’

    In the middle of talking with HB7.5Sales, I say that both of them are probably running some sort of scheme to extort all these poor schlubs for drinks. Then she’s like ‘hey, you wanna buy me a drink?’ with a smirk. I touch her shoulder and say ‘hey even better, I’ll let you have a drink next to me…’ and just kind of lead her to the bar (like two steps away) and split up the set. I don’t run hairdresser. Instead, I just ask her where she wants to live when she grows up. She’s like ‘i’m already grown up,’ and I’m like ‘oh yeah…so you live where you want to?’ She says she wants to live on some sort of island or whatever, and how she loves it and blah blah blah. She also tells me about how she’s in sales and whatnot. I do the ‘5 words or less’ routine.

    She comes up with ‘marijuana affects the girl’s memory’
    I smirk ‘that’s clever, but that’s bullshit. That isn’t you.’

    She resists again, and gives me some sort of polish word that means ‘cheers.’ I laugh. I just say I’m learning a lot about her and that she’s obviously guarded. Then she’s like ‘yeah I’m guarded…’

    I ask why
    She gives me the classic ‘I’ve been hurt before…’ SNOOZEFEST.
    I say ‘wow, when I first met you you seemed like this cute girl who was a bit of a snob or bitch, but like…talking to you, you seem kind of different.’

    She laughs ‘well, wait, kind of different? that still thinks you think I’m kind of a bitch/snob?’

    I laugh and shrug ‘just take the damned the compliment.’
    Then I say ‘besides, your life philosophy and mine are totally different, we wouldn’t even get along.’

    I give some sort of hippy new age, heart on your sleeve spiel. I mean, not to denigrate it…because I believe in putting yourself out there…but you know, it’s a spiel. So, going into it, she was facing me, looking at me, thoughtful, talking, etc. During this whole exchange, I feel like I lose some of that. Not quite all, but definitely some.

    Nightly gets her friend’s number. I don’t get mine’s number. I never asked. wtf. We leave. lol. Anwyay, the friend flaked on him. Nightly really chewed me out, lol ‘WTF…your girl was way more into you than mine was into me! you’ve got to get the number!’

    Saturday:

    Terrible day. My state is horrible.
    I hang with my social circle, and I get there a little late. The logistics are completely fucked. HB6Chunky and HB6LittleBlondie are both there laughing/talking with Natural buddies, in a formation that makes it difficult for me to talk. I don’t really feel like bullshitting with just dudes. My state nosedives because it confirms my total beta status in this social circle. When they leave, I just kind of walk off because I’m not going to spend the rest of the night with them. I can’t. It’ll just kill my soul….

    Then Nightly informs me that a mutual friend from HS is coming out with us cause she’s back in town. Fuck. Not really gonna be able to sarge too much.

    Fast forward: Most of the night goes by, we see lots of friends.
    I open one set on the street…they’re mormons, they’re not receptive.
    Nightly foolishly lets mutual friend in on my goal of opening sets. Naturally, as a woman, she feels like she has good advice and is a good wing.

    …

    She’s terrible. And she has terrible advice.
    Nightly and I see some other girls we know from HS. This whole ‘what’s the best pickup line’ thing becomes a topic of discussion and it just tanks my state. I need to get out of there if I’m going to just open a few sets. I only could leave for little while.

    Two opens. ‘Hey had to stop because you looked cool and I wanted to talk to you’ ‘Oh, really? Yeah, I’m here with my boyfriend though….he’s right there. I’m sorry.’

    ‘Let me get your opinion on something, I can only stay a second though’
    ‘no’
    ‘I -can’t- get your opinion on something?’
    ‘Yeah no’

    I ain’t even mad over either of them. The second especially…it was a fatty and her plain friend. The fatty was pretty adamant about not wanting my opinion. Lol. Phuck.

    ——

    My AA was out of control during these sarging sessions. Nightly really helped me out. But man…I don’t know what’s going on, but yeah…
    Nightly also gave me a good pep talk about my state.

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    • on February 17, 2013 at 11:29 am Naz

      “My AA was out of control during these sarging sessions.”

      Despite that; your approaches sounded smooth. In fact I had the feeling you were enjoying yourself all along.

      Looking forward to reading Yareally’s breakdown. You’re doing great.

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      • on February 18, 2013 at 4:46 am Scray

        Lol so weird.

        My state is totally diff today. Just FYI, today was my bday. And I was like ‘whatevz, just let it pass, no big deal.’ My natural buddy texts me and is like ‘all right man, what are we doing today for your bday?!!!!!!!’

        What a great text!!!!!

        Anyway, weird story…like my natural buddy organizes (for me) 30 of my friends to come out. We go to a restaurant, bar, have a great time.The funny thing is that, he keeps bringing up a lot of the shit I’ve done in like the past 2 months. Like ‘dude, this guy, when we were at the game was like ‘BITCH, I CAN’T HEAR YOU, MOVE CLOSER’ etc.’

        But yeah…it’s so weird…like everyone’s there, including the HB6’s in my circle! What’s funny though, is that natural buddy keeps bringing up stuff I’ve only done in my last two months or so…lol.

        HB6Chunk and HB6LittleBlondie are totes different….like apologizing for not noticing me yesterday, etc.

        Anyway, whoa. Since 90% of what everyone was talking about, having to do with me, happened recently, I just take that as a huge positive sign. So many people came out, and I didn’t even do anything lol. I didn’t even PAY for anything. The one time I offered, it was like ‘wow shut the fuck up, do you EVEN know what it’s like to have close friends, all this shit is on us man! it’s your birthday, we fucking love you’

        /hopeforhumanity………………………..somewhat restored.
        Perhaps a beta view of things, but oh well.

        —-

        Btw Naz, it’s tough man. I mean….I’m enjoying myself once IN set…but fuck man. Getting there, oddly enough, (in set) is getting harder. I just expect so much of myself now…lol

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      • on February 19, 2013 at 8:20 pm immoralgables

        Your comment made me real happy to read man.

        I’ll chime in with my comments on your FR later in case YR doesn’t get to it.

        Happy bday dude thanks for the update that legit was good to read

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      • on February 22, 2013 at 10:12 pm Scray

        Thanks man!

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  38. on February 17, 2013 at 10:20 am passingby

    Have drinks with another woman, because obviously that is all good with her too, right?

    Then dump her. If she is willing to be indifferent to you, she needs to go. You are about to divorce, and you should be playing the field, not getting into an exclusive relationship with a woman in her late 30s. /headslap

    Seriously, what you thinking, man?

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  39. on February 17, 2013 at 11:18 am Naz

    A year and a half is too long of a time to be playing aloof. Simply put, you have to let her know that this is unacceptable. And if she still insists on going on with it, then this relationship is over.

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  40. on February 17, 2013 at 1:10 pm John

    Straw Game

    My friend bought a pack of really long straws, each straw is about 2 feet long. Go to the bar, bring a straw, and just put it in girls drinks from a slight distance and start drinking them. If they ask what youre doing just say “killing it”

    You might get a few pissed off girls, but overall this technique is fucking hilarious and works

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  41. on February 17, 2013 at 3:04 pm Rum

    Mid Sized Oil Companies in Texas invented Fracking. Production in Texas is rising in a way that is causing widespread dizziness. N. Dakota is also doing well in this regard. Whatever, we own the rights…
    There is a reason the only fully functioning F1 track in North America is in Austin, Texas. Paid for in cash, or bricks of gold, or pens full of Croatian virgins. We have no debt; we have a Rainy Day Fund headed towards 10 billion or so.
    None of us will get out of here alive. But this is Interesting, nonetheless.

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  42. on February 17, 2013 at 5:26 pm santa666

    Women, lol: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279296/Edith-Casas-marries-twin-sisters-convicted-killer-Victor-Cingolani-claiming-hes-innocent.html?ICO=most_read_module

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  43. on February 17, 2013 at 6:07 pm PA

    The best, most loving monogamous LTR cannot beat the thrill of multiple concurrent short term flings. Accept no substitute. [Tweet]

    Of course that’s true. But the purpose of LTR is not thrills (though good LTRs have that) but to raise your children. If I were in a childless LTR, I woudln’t see any rationale whatsoever to stay monogamous.

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    • on February 17, 2013 at 9:30 pm gunslingergregi

      dam pa

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      • on February 17, 2013 at 9:41 pm gunslingergregi

        i guess our minds can fuck with us though got this new chick cooking me steaks took her clothes off layng in bed and don’t even want to hold the bitch
        just another ho though tryin to get on permenant status so ehh

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      • on February 18, 2013 at 4:50 am gunslingergregi

        she wanted to fuck naa wanted to cuddle naa and bitch don’t want to leave
        sucked me off though he he he

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    • on February 18, 2013 at 5:42 am gunslingergregi

      id say best of best is long terms committed plus short terms but i don’t even lke chicks no more so who knows

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  44. on February 17, 2013 at 6:09 pm n/a

    The “best, most loving, long-term relationship” is, of course, better than any number of successful muff-dives, concurrent or consecutive, except for the most hellbent of lechers and dusky-triangle players.

    I’ve taken stock of hundreds of men and maybe a handful, at most, truly crave the belly thrill of the never-ending chase; almost all men want nothing more than steady love and affection from the brown-eyed girl next door.

    Of course the girl next door is another matter entirely. Is there anything worse for the normal, decent sort of man than to realize what the girl next door carries around in her heart and cunt, and how close those organs communicate, esp. in the pretty ones?

    Yes, very few men of 40 will be hungrier for clam than for calm.–

    [Heartiste: Men who are reintroduced to the field, and who have a modicum of talent picking up women, quickly relearn how thrilling it is to score fresh, novel pussy.]

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    • on February 20, 2013 at 2:16 am n/a

      Downtown NYC the other day with a couple of good-looking and rich guys both freshly “reintroduced” to the fray — neither of whom had the slightest problem scoring pussy when young. When you’re out for a hungover brunch in Soho you’ll soon enough see something *unbelievable* that in the words of Mick Jagger would make a dead man come, but they see nothing; or they’re “embarrassed” by my enthusiasm, comments and approaches; or they almost *giggle* at these things, that’s how bad it is.

      These are serious males 38-40. It may be a testosterone deficit because plenty of these old college friends of mine are fucked up by too much “running” and other acceptably swpl hairshirt antics — nevertheless these rich, white, smart, handsome guys are convinced that a man of 40 fucking, say, a 19 year old cutie-pie, is insane. They simply cannot conceive of it and claim it “couldn’t fit” into their lives. One has kids the other doesn’t. But they have the same view and there are no exceptions to this view among my legit friends still in NYC.

      These men will almost certainly soon remarry approved age-appropriate women within the next couple years. And that’s that.

      So I don’t agree. Of course it’s true as I stated in my post that there will always be a *handful* of diehard, perpetually quim-famished players, but it remains the case that the majority of today’s estrogenized catabolic dudes leave the game early and never look back. Late twenties and all the oats are well and duly sown.

      How could it be otherwise. If I wasn’t who I am, doing what I do, I would be *looked at askance* for my skirt-chasing; in fact it’s long since begun, with even “men” trying out gentle shaming language to prevent me from “dying alone.” They tell me to catch the movie Shame on my next trip to slanteyed Candyland.

      That’s how it is. Good for you if you see otherwise.

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  45. on February 17, 2013 at 9:14 pm Peaty

    “It’s well-documented that women are ahead of the curve when it comes to linguistic ingenuity.” The latest ingenuity is that we’re supposed to stop using the word “panties.” Too infantilized, yet too sexualized, dontcha know.

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    • on February 18, 2013 at 5:33 am Anonymous

      Men can be quite cunning linguists as well.

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  46. on February 18, 2013 at 3:49 am Libertardian

    http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/490104/what-are-the-pros-cons-on-dating-a-white-girl

    “What are the PROs & CONs on dating a White Girl

    Pros – white bitches go the extra mile to make a nigga nutt / give you $$$ / head on demand like Direct TV / like the other nigga said no holes barred / always want to buy you shit

    Cons – needy than a muthafugga / don’t, can’t, and never will understand the black struggle / will never be accepted by a black woman in your family over the age of 10”

    LOL, in other words, the polar opposite of what betas get.

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  47. on February 18, 2013 at 3:58 am gunslingergregi

    libtard don’t forget fuck around on you and rob you niggas on cons plus get you killed and in jail

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  48. on February 18, 2013 at 10:32 am Erudite Knight

    Good stuff, the irony is the girl in this case (and most I would argue) who profess their love of this current male to the world are also among the first to trade up if given the opportunity.

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  49. on February 18, 2013 at 8:04 pm Hugh G. Rection

    Yes, you are being unreasonable. Dating a late 30ies woman? Come on, you can do better.

    Her story about why she doesn’t tell co-workers she has a boyfriend is obviously bullshit. I don’t think co-workers would immediately question your marital status. None of this is any of their business.

    Going out with a male co-worker one on one? You gotta be shitting me. You can’t be aloof and amused if you are fuming on the inside. That aloofness comes from having other options. I suggest you pursue those.

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    • on February 18, 2013 at 8:12 pm Anonymous

      I think both Hugh and Passingby are correct.

      Firstly you should absolutely have a night out that worries her. A lot. Because what’s good for her is good for you.

      Secondly you should aim higher and go for a younger philly and nicely ease this girl into fvck buddy status. See how she likes that (but if you do this correctly, you won’t really care).

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    • on February 19, 2013 at 4:51 pm Hugh G. Rection

      Original comment is gone…

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  50. on February 19, 2013 at 3:50 am Nicole

    If a woman you think you’re in a relationship with is running around saying she’s single, she is cheating or gearing up to. It’s one thing if for discretion purposes, she doesn’t tell who her boyfriend is. It’s another if she behaves as if she doesn’t have a boyfriend.

    Discuss it with her, and be firm that people should not be thinking she is single. If she doesn’t agree, then dismiss her lying butt. She’s lying to everyone else. Why wouldn’t she be lying to you too?

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  51. on February 25, 2013 at 1:33 am PuAjunkie

    >the feel when you used to date a 18 years old white girl, she would take pictures of you two together and made it into a scrape book
    >she posts the pictures all over Facebook
    >break up with her
    >4 years later, now she’s a cackling landwhale
    >feels bad man

    I hope her to exercise, guys. I tried my best ;___;

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  52. on February 25, 2013 at 11:31 pm imnobody

    Thank you for your post. There is a woman here in Central American who does that every day on Facebook. She is a 4 and her husband is a 7. So I know now why she does it.

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  53. on February 27, 2013 at 7:05 pm The Beta Mating Call on Facebook Ch. 1 | The Karamazov Idea

    […] Now from when I received the request up until recently she was in a college freshman relationship with a typical alpha type. He’s a Lax guy. You know the type: buzz cut, ripped, almost speaks in grunts. And every 5th post from her was how totally in love they were. […]

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